# Paul Murray Live | 25 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 25 Nov 2025, 50 min.

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AI-driven chaos during Trump’s 2020 loss sparks calls for urgent FOI reform, Jim Chalmers warns inflation could jump ahead of tomorrow’s data. Plus, the 2026 Census expands with new gender and sexuality questions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Isn't
[0:07] Speaker 1: that extraordinary? What sharriage has told you unbelievable? Oh thank
[0:12] Speaker 1: goodness no one got killed.
[0:13] Speaker 2: But because you didn't really have any deeper meaning to
[0:16] Speaker 2: the crime, then it's well.
[0:19] Speaker 3: Said, mate. Looking forward to follow up on that tomorrow.
[0:21] Speaker 2: Lots to get to tonight, Welcome in to the man Cave,
[0:23] Speaker 2: including well, the trailer is here to the most progressive
[0:28] Speaker 2: movie ever. We will show you what we can because
[0:32] Speaker 2: there's even rules about what you can and can't show
[0:34] Speaker 2: on Telly, which is why this thing is going to
[0:37] Speaker 2: be an amazing movie out Australia day next year. Now
[0:41] Speaker 2: we're going to have a tough conversation about something that
[0:44] Speaker 2: I know Liberal leaders Jess Wilson and Susan Lee are
[0:47] Speaker 2: very passionate about trying to fix. But do normal people care.
[0:53] Speaker 2: We'll get to this in a moment or two's time.
[0:55] Speaker 2: And the great Nigel Ferrage he joins us live from
[0:57] Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. Remember, according to the polls, the next
[1:00] Speaker 2: Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He appears regularly one
[1:03] Speaker 2: place in Australia.
[1:04] Speaker 3: That is here.
[1:05] Speaker 2: We're very thankful always to have him on Paul Murray Live. Well,
[1:09] Speaker 2: second day in a row, and if you believe the
[1:11] Speaker 2: six pm news, there's only one story in town.
[1:15] Speaker 4: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has been censured by the Senate.
[1:19] Speaker 5: The One Nation leader refused to apologize controversial characters with
[1:23] Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson expelled over her burker stunt.
[1:28] Speaker 2: And well, the media turned up and they turned up
[1:31] Speaker 2: in quite the droves today. The pictures that I saw
[1:34] Speaker 2: at the press conference would suggest that there was some
[1:36] Speaker 2: major resignation or appointment that was taking place. I haven't
[1:40] Speaker 2: seen this many people gathering in the gardens of Parliament
[1:42] Speaker 2: House since Liberal Party change of leader and Prime Minister.
[1:48] Speaker 2: And weren't they so interested in hearing what Pauline had
[1:50] Speaker 2: to say about why she did what she did?
[1:55] Speaker 3: Why senator, why now you've done this seven years ago?
[1:58] Speaker 3: Why are you doing it now?
[2:00] Speaker 6: Ah?
[2:02] Speaker 2: But no, the biggest story in Canberra today was not
[2:06] Speaker 2: what was taking place in the Senate, but what the
[2:08] Speaker 2: government is planning to do to make things even harder
[2:12] Speaker 2: for you and I to know about what is happening
[2:13] Speaker 2: behind closed doorks. Now, I've told you for how long
[2:15] Speaker 2: now about this is the type of transparency that the
[2:18] Speaker 2: OsO transparent prime Minister and his government whenever you ask
[2:22] Speaker 2: them a question or ask them to reveal something. This,
[2:25] Speaker 2: by the way, it's not the secret location of Harold Holt.
[2:28] Speaker 2: This was about the effects on power prices of the
[2:32] Speaker 2: government's current energy policy, hardly national secret stuff. Well, this
[2:36] Speaker 2: government wants to make it even harder for you to
[2:39] Speaker 2: see even as little as what you can just see there.
[2:41] Speaker 2: You see those documents only available after the Senate demanded
[2:44] Speaker 2: it and the freedom of information laws. Now the Prime
[2:48] Speaker 2: Minister and his Attorney General want to make it even
[2:52] Speaker 2: harder for us to be able to know what is
[2:54] Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes. Now, this may well be
[2:57] Speaker 2: great for political advantage, but if we do not see
[3:00] Speaker 2: what happens behind the scenes, then we are frankly not voters.
[3:05] Speaker 2: We are mushrooms. We are kept in the dark and
[3:06] Speaker 2: fed an unpleasant diet. Well, while trying to justify the
[3:13] Speaker 2: changes to this legislation, we're put simply, if a piece
[3:16] Speaker 2: of paper goes anywhere near the cabinet table, well then
[3:20] Speaker 2: no one will see it. No one will see it
[3:22] Speaker 2: for thirty years, as if every single thing is a
[3:24] Speaker 2: national secret. No, they just don't want you to know.
[3:27] Speaker 2: The ingredients into the stews that they are cooking up.
[3:32] Speaker 2: They are trying to somehow say that Donald Trump and
[3:35] Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election has some sort of a connection
[3:38] Speaker 2: as to why we need to change fredom of information
[3:40] Speaker 2: legislation in Australia. What what garbage as you saw fread
[3:47] Speaker 2: of information changes necessary because of AI powered applications during
[3:52] Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election loss. The Abenezy government has used
[3:58] Speaker 2: the unusual reference to Donald trum twenty twenty election loss
[4:01] Speaker 2: to justify it's major crackdown in freedom of information laws,
[4:04] Speaker 2: failing to point to any domestic examples of artificial intelligence
[4:09] Speaker 2: driving vexatious claims for government documents.
[4:12] Speaker 3: This is one of their worries, one.
[4:14] Speaker 2: Of their concerns, one of the reasons why the threshold
[4:17] Speaker 2: must be lifted, that you must have this much money
[4:21] Speaker 2: or this much access to be able to find out
[4:25] Speaker 2: even ask a question that, of course they respond with
[4:27] Speaker 2: the black line.
[4:28] Speaker 3: Through everything.
[4:30] Speaker 2: They're trying to pretend there's a whole bunch of bots
[4:31] Speaker 2: that are just creating thousands and thousands and thousands of
[4:36] Speaker 2: applications for information and all of it is just in
[4:39] Speaker 2: the two hard basket. Well, again, is there an example
[4:41] Speaker 2: of this in Australia. Apparently not.
[4:44] Speaker 3: We continue and.
[4:45] Speaker 2: The latest blow for the changes Labor has been unable
[4:48] Speaker 2: to produce one domestic example of AI being used to
[4:52] Speaker 2: generate vexatious FOI applications. Now, this is a key justification,
[4:58] Speaker 2: but there is no evidence for or Now, if something
[5:02] Speaker 2: goes wrong and yes, AI starts overrunning the system, okay,
[5:04] Speaker 2: maybe there's some some conversation to be had, but they're
[5:07] Speaker 2: telling us it has to happen now with no examples
[5:10] Speaker 2: of it actually happening at all. The Attorney General's Department
[5:13] Speaker 2: did point to an unsubstantiated international example quote there are
[5:17] Speaker 2: clear examples in international jurisdictions where AI tools have been
[5:22] Speaker 2: used to generate thousands of freedom of information requests, including
[5:25] Speaker 2: election workers being inundated with freedom of information requests in
[5:29] Speaker 2: the twenty twenty presidential election.
[5:31] Speaker 3: What what again?
[5:36] Speaker 2: Not a single example that they can show of how
[5:39] Speaker 2: the freedom of information system is being abused by people
[5:43] Speaker 2: using artificial intelligence instead Way back when conversation back in
[5:48] Speaker 2: twenty twenty, when firstly AI was in its infancy popularity
[5:53] Speaker 2: of things like like groc or CHATJPT or Gemini or
[5:59] Speaker 2: mesas version of it all the different ais that exist,
[6:03] Speaker 2: but still this is being served up as the reason
[6:05] Speaker 2: why you should not be able to know what the
[6:07] Speaker 2: government is doing.
[6:10] Speaker 3: Now.
[6:10] Speaker 2: I think this is the biggest story in Canberra because
[6:13] Speaker 2: this government promised to be better. But I am not naive.
[6:18] Speaker 2: I know that as soon as they get their hand
[6:19] Speaker 2: on power they shut the gate. This government is so
[6:25] Speaker 2: addicted to the sunlight of truth that when they put
[6:30] Speaker 2: legislation together, if you are in the room trying to
[6:32] Speaker 2: give them any sort of advice on the behalf of
[6:34] Speaker 2: an industry group or a charity, they make you sign
[6:37] Speaker 2: a non disclosure agreement that you will definitely not tell
[6:40] Speaker 2: anyone what are the options being discussed on the table.
[6:43] Speaker 2: This is about making sure no one leaks, no one
[6:45] Speaker 2: rocks the boat. Everyone agrees at the end before the
[6:49] Speaker 2: decision is made. This is frankly Labor Party caucus rules,
[6:53] Speaker 2: where once a decision is made, everyone says yay. Not
[6:56] Speaker 2: the way a democracy works.
[6:59] Speaker 3: Well.
[6:59] Speaker 2: Thankfully, the Senate can push back and David Pocock is
[7:03] Speaker 2: a man who on most things we will disagree, but
[7:05] Speaker 2: on this I am all in on him and anyone
[7:08] Speaker 2: else with power to be able to point out the
[7:12] Speaker 2: lie at the heart of this government about telling the truth.
[7:16] Speaker 2: Got him on the show last night. It's worth going
[7:18] Speaker 2: and having a look at Joe. Go and find it
[7:20] Speaker 2: on our uptube page or obviously sky News dot com
[7:23] Speaker 2: dot au. The cost of living still the major issue
[7:27] Speaker 2: for many people around the country, and inflation looks like
[7:30] Speaker 2: we are on our way back up.
[7:34] Speaker 3: In fact, the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and their little
[7:38] Speaker 3: loud two.
[7:40] Speaker 2: Told us that we had turned the corner. Nothing to
[7:41] Speaker 2: see here, everything's okay. They of course fiddled and buggerized
[7:45] Speaker 2: around with the numbers when it came to the energy rebates,
[7:48] Speaker 2: which pushed down the inflation number. It got them the
[7:51] Speaker 2: February rate cup, which of course helped lead to the
[7:53] Speaker 2: ninety something seats they ended up winning in the Parliament. Yeah,
[7:56] Speaker 2: I'll keep talking about it because that's how they won. Well,
[8:00] Speaker 2: as you know, inflation has been ticking up. Just a
[8:02] Speaker 2: couple of months ago, we had already hit the highest
[8:04] Speaker 2: number that we had been in the past twelve months.
[8:08] Speaker 2: Just one month ago we were going up by a
[8:10] Speaker 2: full percentage in a bit point where the magical two
[8:15] Speaker 2: was becoming the troublesome three. Well, today we are being
[8:19] Speaker 2: softened up for what might be more of the same.
[8:22] Speaker 2: Now you already know it because prices have never gone down.
[8:25] Speaker 2: This was all just myths and magical thinking from governments.
[8:30] Speaker 2: But Jim Charmers in the Parliament today and world under
[8:32] Speaker 2: those who noticed it is starting to hint that by
[8:35] Speaker 2: this time tomorrow, when the official numbers come out, inflation
[8:38] Speaker 2: will be going up again.
[8:41] Speaker 7: Now economists expect that the unwindening of some state energy
[8:45] Speaker 7: rebates will push the headline number up a bit tomorrow,
[8:49] Speaker 7: and that's why they have encouraged us to focus largely
[8:52] Speaker 7: on the underlying number.
[8:54] Speaker 3: Oh, now, the underlying number matters.
[8:57] Speaker 2: Remember a couple of years ago when the number was
[8:59] Speaker 2: really high, the underlying number was still pretty high, or
[9:02] Speaker 2: the underlying the number doesn't matter now again, there is
[9:06] Speaker 2: such a gulf between the numbers that are produced at
[9:09] Speaker 2: every thirty days by the number in camera your life,
[9:13] Speaker 2: you know it, from any and everything that you've bought,
[9:15] Speaker 2: or any and everything you've had to look at on
[9:17] Speaker 2: the internet. While those prices they keep staying high. Why
[9:19] Speaker 2: a whole collection of different reasons. But the Australias to
[9:22] Speaker 2: the call and everything's okay. How easy is Christmas is
[9:25] Speaker 2: going to be for you. How easy is it going
[9:28] Speaker 2: to be for you to pay for the grandkids, to
[9:29] Speaker 2: pay for the family, to pay for the kids, to
[9:31] Speaker 2: pay for the missess, to pay for the bloke.
[9:35] Speaker 3: The reality is this Christmas will.
[9:36] Speaker 2: Be tougher than the last Christmas, which was tougher than
[9:38] Speaker 2: the Christmas before, which was tougher than the Christmas before that.
[9:42] Speaker 3: Nothing to see here, of.
[9:43] Speaker 2: Course, in the political class, because they have all received
[9:45] Speaker 2: four pay rises since Albo became our elected king in
[9:49] Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. The opposition doing their best to draw
[9:54] Speaker 2: attention back to cost of living. I think this should
[9:56] Speaker 2: have been each in every question in question time today.
[9:59] Speaker 2: But heard of their.
[10:00] Speaker 8: Push households and businesses are struggling in a lead up
[10:04] Speaker 8: to a hot summer and all the expenses they face
[10:07] Speaker 8: at the kitchen table, with Christmas, with summer, with back
[10:11] Speaker 8: to school.
[10:13] Speaker 2: And on the matter to do with power prices. Well,
[10:16] Speaker 2: what a confrontation, what a conversation, What a great bit
[10:19] Speaker 2: of television it was to see our political editor Andrew
[10:23] Speaker 2: Clanel on Politics Now talking to former Liberal now lapdog
[10:27] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party Matt Keane. Pretty simple question, you
[10:31] Speaker 2: say it's time to change the system because it's the
[10:33] Speaker 2: cheapest form of energy. So okay, now that there's more
[10:36] Speaker 2: of what you want in the system, when do the
[10:37] Speaker 2: bills start coming down? Answer Harmona harmana Harmona hammona Harmona.
[10:43] Speaker 9: Could they go up for ten years? Because that's what
[10:46] Speaker 9: this power company CEO said? Could prices continue to increase
[10:51] Speaker 9: for ten years before that transition is completed?
[10:56] Speaker 10: Well, that's not what the Australian Energy Market Commission says.
[11:00] Speaker 10: I get on with the job of rolling out renewables,
[11:02] Speaker 10: and quite frankly, we should be listening to the independent
[11:04] Speaker 10: experts all.
[11:06] Speaker 9: So when when do they stop going us man Cain Andrew,
[11:10] Speaker 9: when do they stop going out?
[11:11] Speaker 3: When we get across job?
[11:13] Speaker 10: When when we get on with the job of rolling
[11:15] Speaker 10: out renewables at scar we know it's the cheapest form
[11:18] Speaker 10: of electricity and the property years in the grid it's
[11:21] Speaker 10: not enough? Andrew?
[11:24] Speaker 3: Well how many years that job? Andrew?
[11:27] Speaker 10: Well it will take the coordinated roll out.
[11:31] Speaker 3: Now, there are ways to answer the question.
[11:33] Speaker 2: If they want to say sooner rather than later, because
[11:36] Speaker 2: we're going as hard as possible, we'll give you an
[11:38] Speaker 2: exact date.
[11:38] Speaker 3: I can't.
[11:39] Speaker 2: But the idea that they can't say I can't because
[11:42] Speaker 2: then they will have to admit what they have looked
[11:44] Speaker 2: the other way and lied to people about for years
[11:47] Speaker 2: and years. But isn't the government confident that, despite the
[11:50] Speaker 2: fact that it failed to deliver on the two hundred
[11:53] Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars power bill lie yet they got
[11:56] Speaker 2: re elected and got a bigger margin that Australians aren't
[11:59] Speaker 2: that fired up about power prices. Now, you and I
[12:01] Speaker 2: know that it's deeply frustrating if you're running a small business.
[12:04] Speaker 2: Those changes within the thousands of dollars. It's in the
[12:08] Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars in the households. And everyone's knowledge of
[12:12] Speaker 2: working families, the working poor, the middle class is that
[12:15] Speaker 2: every bill matters, and if those bills keep going up
[12:18] Speaker 2: in part because of government policies, then at some point
[12:20] Speaker 2: they turn around and blame the government. But instead they're
[12:23] Speaker 2: just going to spin their wheels and pretend that the
[12:25] Speaker 2: three world car is somehow going to set a new
[12:27] Speaker 2: lap record at bathtist and anyone who points out that
[12:30] Speaker 2: there is an emperor with no clothes on.
[12:32] Speaker 3: Well, of course you're part of the problem.
[12:36] Speaker 2: Now you know that I rely very heavily upon the
[12:38] Speaker 2: Australian Bureau of Statistics. I love the amount of data
[12:41] Speaker 2: that they have out there. I love the information and
[12:43] Speaker 2: when we're talking about everything from the economy numbers to
[12:46] Speaker 2: the way our societies work. And the single biggest way
[12:49] Speaker 2: that they put all of that information together is by
[12:51] Speaker 2: getting us all to fill out a form on one night.
[12:54] Speaker 2: Next year is when there is going to be the
[12:55] Speaker 2: next census. It is compulsory to fill out the census,
[12:59] Speaker 2: not compulsity to answer each and every question, to my knowledge,
[13:02] Speaker 2: but there will be some new questions or some new wording,
[13:04] Speaker 2: which I'm sure some people will get very fired up about.
[13:07] Speaker 2: I'm not because if it gives us a really realistic
[13:09] Speaker 2: picture of what's going on, well great, we know more
[13:13] Speaker 2: information questions in around sexuality and gender are going to
[13:17] Speaker 2: become more complicated. But let's be honest, every time you
[13:22] Speaker 2: fill out most forms, some version of this question now exists. So, surprise, surprise,
[13:27] Speaker 2: the Progressive government just has now moved it to a
[13:30] Speaker 2: nationwide survey.
[13:31] Speaker 3: For the first time.
[13:32] Speaker 2: Australians aged sixteen will be asked in the twenty twenty
[13:36] Speaker 2: six senses to identify their sexual orientation and sex recorded
[13:40] Speaker 2: at birth.
[13:41] Speaker 3: Note sixteen and over.
[13:44] Speaker 2: Okay, so if you've got kids, grandkids, it's not going
[13:46] Speaker 2: to be a question for those little lease, But sixteen
[13:48] Speaker 2: and above, participants can choose, by the way, up to
[13:52] Speaker 2: four cultural ancestries and say whether they ride a bike
[13:57] Speaker 2: or an e bike to work. According to the updated
[13:59] Speaker 2: question which have been announced today by the Bureau of Statistics,
[14:02] Speaker 2: this is what the question is going to look like.
[14:04] Speaker 3: When it comes to gender.
[14:06] Speaker 2: Now again, a few people may get a little outraged here,
[14:09] Speaker 2: but for me, it'll just be person one and you
[14:13] Speaker 2: mark the box bloke or if you want to go woman,
[14:17] Speaker 2: or you want to go non binary, or you want
[14:19] Speaker 2: to put in pan sexual or whatever else you want
[14:21] Speaker 2: to put in their good luck to you. Okay, prefer
[14:23] Speaker 2: not to answer is also an option. But we'll actually
[14:26] Speaker 2: get to see a number, and I think we will
[14:28] Speaker 2: all be surprised by the number that will come out
[14:30] Speaker 2: and how much we talk about these issues. But I
[14:32] Speaker 2: don't have a problem with it because it gives us
[14:35] Speaker 2: the real life data. If there are hundreds of thousands
[14:38] Speaker 2: of people who cannot answer to man, woman, non binary
[14:43] Speaker 2: or whatever you want to make up, well, okay, we'll
[14:45] Speaker 2: all learn about it together. But I think we all
[14:48] Speaker 2: will know the number will not be quite as big
[14:50] Speaker 2: as the amount of time people talk about the number,
[14:52] Speaker 2: the one that I do think is interesting and worth
[14:54] Speaker 2: talking about here. The other changes the twenty twenty six
[14:57] Speaker 2: senses will mean Australians can report four, as I mentioned before,
[15:01] Speaker 2: four cultural ancestries describing the ethnic makeup of their household.
[15:07] Speaker 2: So okay, how do you get to four? Well, there's
[15:11] Speaker 2: your mum, there's your dad, so that's potentially two. And
[15:17] Speaker 2: then how do you choose between grandma and grandpa on
[15:21] Speaker 2: mom's side or grandma and grandpa on another side?
[15:24] Speaker 3: Anyway up to four.
[15:27] Speaker 2: The change to the question relating to the country of
[15:29] Speaker 2: birth of your parents will also include this could.
[15:33] Speaker 3: Be a parent of any gender.
[15:37] Speaker 2: Just in case somehow that was offended to be asked
[15:39] Speaker 2: about whether your mother or father. Oh goodness me, but
[15:43] Speaker 2: still I don't care. That we get more info. That
[15:45] Speaker 2: always helps because we actually know what things really are
[15:47] Speaker 2: as opposed to what you know we might be feeling
[15:52] Speaker 2: in our waters, as opposed to just going off and
[15:54] Speaker 2: actually doing the survey. Compulsory next year, what about another
[15:59] Speaker 2: people's money to night, lots to get to and two
[16:01] Speaker 2: of my favorite topics, other people's money, how they waste it,
[16:04] Speaker 2: and the triangle of dependence. The way lefting governments get
[16:07] Speaker 2: themselves into power and stay there is to have more
[16:10] Speaker 2: people on welfare, more people working for the government, or
[16:12] Speaker 2: more private businesses where the government is your client. Center
[16:17] Speaker 2: Allen perfect example about the employment number. Victorian taxpayers are
[16:22] Speaker 2: slugged more than a million dollars per week for the
[16:26] Speaker 2: people who work for Premier Center Allen. We're not talking
[16:30] Speaker 2: about all of the government. We're not talking about all
[16:33] Speaker 2: of the cabinet. We're talking about the three hundred and
[16:34] Speaker 2: nine ministerial staffers connected to the Premier. Victorian taxpayers have
[16:39] Speaker 2: been slugged with a huge weekly bill of one point
[16:42] Speaker 2: seven one point one million dollars for the Premier c
[16:45] Speaker 2: Center Allan's three hundred and nine strong department, including an
[16:50] Speaker 2: amount of money that they spent obviously to pump themselves
[16:53] Speaker 2: up on Facebook on Instagram, of two hundred and twenty
[16:55] Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Now, personally, I don't think Australing taxpayers money
[17:00] Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form should be allowable to
[17:03] Speaker 2: be spent to boost their social media profile.
[17:06] Speaker 3: Do it yourself or get the party to pay for it.
[17:08] Speaker 2: On Tuesday, the Public Accounts and Estimates Committee heard that
[17:12] Speaker 2: the Department of Premier and Cabinet costs sixty one point
[17:17] Speaker 2: three million.
[17:17] Speaker 3: Dollars to run the whole thing last year alone.
[17:20] Speaker 2: This figure is up by nineteen percent compared to the
[17:23] Speaker 2: former Premier Daniel Andrews my words not the article, who
[17:27] Speaker 2: was running the joint on the credit card at fifty one.
[17:29] Speaker 3: Million dollars a year from fifty one now to sixty one.
[17:33] Speaker 2: The Herald sundayd the hard work here and according to
[17:36] Speaker 2: them the DPC, the Department of Premier and Cabinet secretary
[17:40] Speaker 2: said the running the Prime Minister's of the Premier's private Office,
[17:43] Speaker 2: by the way, is now eighteen million dollars eighty three
[17:47] Speaker 2: staff working specifically specifically for the Premier, not the wider
[17:52] Speaker 2: Premier and Cabinet offers. Now part of how they spend
[17:56] Speaker 2: this money, including two hundred and twenty thousand dollars that
[17:59] Speaker 2: they paid a social media companies to pump up their
[18:02] Speaker 2: social media profile to boost a post. Again, should be
[18:07] Speaker 2: paid for by the party, should be paid for by
[18:09] Speaker 2: the individual, But no, it's paid for by you the
[18:11] Speaker 2: tax bar. And there's also the staffers whose entire job
[18:15] Speaker 2: is to make crap like this on social media. That's
[18:20] Speaker 2: a slam done booth.
[18:23] Speaker 3: Did I get it? Well?
[18:26] Speaker 4: Then that's the tape here at foot mart in Shanghai,
[18:29] Speaker 4: checking out the enormous Labubu Rangey.
[18:33] Speaker 6: Brendan Mean set a fluffy ice.
[18:35] Speaker 2: Here more of where they came from in a mind
[18:39] Speaker 2: u twoth time. When we get to while you were working,
[18:42] Speaker 2: by the way, to give you an idea, Premier's office alone,
[18:45] Speaker 2: eighty three people. Premier's department about three hundred people. You
[18:50] Speaker 2: want to know the great slant between being the government
[18:52] Speaker 2: and not the government. The opposition leader has got just
[18:55] Speaker 2: seventeen people. Seventeen people. Now they've got to come up
[19:01] Speaker 2: with all the policies, all the alternatives. Now that's seventeen.
[19:04] Speaker 2: By the way, doesn't all end up just working for
[19:06] Speaker 2: the opposition leader. That also can get spread out across,
[19:10] Speaker 2: say the shadow treasurer, a whole bunch of other people's officers.
[19:14] Speaker 2: It has never never been easier to have it your
[19:18] Speaker 2: way when you are the government. But watch this and
[19:20] Speaker 2: see how we go crazy stuff. Now, I want to
[19:24] Speaker 2: talk about briuceban and buses in particular. My dad drove
[19:27] Speaker 2: a bus for a long time, school runs, snow runs
[19:31] Speaker 2: up and down the coast. God love your Kenny Dog.
[19:33] Speaker 2: I hope you're watching tonight. If not, we'd get back
[19:34] Speaker 2: to him. Give them a cuddle for me if you
[19:36] Speaker 2: see him tomorrow. Well, today the bus drivers of Brisbane
[19:39] Speaker 2: decided to have a protest, and why shouldn't they. Good
[19:41] Speaker 2: on them for doing so, and fully support the drivers
[19:44] Speaker 2: in the union for doing it. Why because bus drivers
[19:47] Speaker 2: are being treated like punching bags. Two Briuceban bus drivers
[19:51] Speaker 2: a day are being beaten up or spat on a
[19:55] Speaker 2: record two hundred NAT assaults in September, not a whole
[19:58] Speaker 2: year September, according to the union. In the worst of
[20:02] Speaker 2: the attacks on November the seventh, on the three point
[20:05] Speaker 2: forty route, a veteran driver was left with a fractured jaw,
[20:08] Speaker 2: fractured neck vertebrae and a broken nose and several missing teeth.
[20:14] Speaker 2: The union wants more plastic shields around the driver. I
[20:19] Speaker 2: fully support this, the idea that the bus driver becomes
[20:23] Speaker 2: the punching bag because the person who's on the bus
[20:26] Speaker 2: paying the fare or not paying the fare, wants to
[20:27] Speaker 2: go for a swing will bugger them. There are only
[20:29] Speaker 2: three hundred buses out of thirteen hundred with the full screens,
[20:34] Speaker 2: and we'll only get up to four hundred by mid
[20:36] Speaker 2: next year. Now, again, it's a union. They're railing against
[20:38] Speaker 2: a Liberal Party local council and the Liberal Party state government.
[20:41] Speaker 2: But how can you disagree when you've got a full screen.
[20:44] Speaker 2: You cannot be punched, you cannot be spat on, you
[20:45] Speaker 2: can't have objects thrown at you. You are completely safe,
[20:49] Speaker 2: Premier Lord Mayor, if you can fix it, fix it now.
[20:54] Speaker 2: Now you know we all love an opinion poll. Well,
[20:56] Speaker 2: let's check on the ones when it comes to Donald
[20:58] Speaker 2: Trump right now. Now, as you know, I'm all in
[21:01] Speaker 2: on the great man. I'm very glad that he is there,
[21:04] Speaker 2: not Kamala Harris. And I'm very glad that the hard
[21:08] Speaker 2: work that was done while he was out for four
[21:10] Speaker 2: years meant that the first few months of his presidency
[21:13] Speaker 2: was pretty damn strong. That to do list had been
[21:15] Speaker 2: worked through. But as you know, executive orders are one thing.
[21:19] Speaker 2: But we're not even a four year into the presidency.
[21:22] Speaker 2: So yes, the hard work's being done. Now theoretically things
[21:25] Speaker 2: start to flow through and they get better. But in America,
[21:28] Speaker 2: remember there's an election every two years, meaning that you
[21:32] Speaker 2: only get to govern for one year, and then everyone
[21:34] Speaker 2: has the election campaign the other year, and then you're
[21:38] Speaker 2: governed for a year and then you have another one.
[21:41] Speaker 2: In terms of Donald Trump, the midterm would of course
[21:43] Speaker 2: mean two years to go. And the latest opinion polls
[21:47] Speaker 2: are not good. And isn't CNN very excited to report
[21:50] Speaker 2: it to you?
[21:52] Speaker 11: I would say this is probably the worst ten day
[21:54] Speaker 11: period for the president in the poll his entire second term.
[21:59] Speaker 11: The numbers are just atrocious. What are we talking about
[22:02] Speaker 11: here in terms of net approval rating?
[22:04] Speaker 3: Well, take a look.
[22:05] Speaker 11: These are all November Pauls, the best one of the
[22:08] Speaker 11: group puts them at fourteen points underwater. That's the Marquete
[22:11] Speaker 11: University Law School Paul type for the worst he's ever
[22:13] Speaker 11: had in that Paul Fox seventeen points underwater, Maris seventeen
[22:17] Speaker 11: points underwater, the Reuter's Eipsos Paul twenty two points underwater,
[22:21] Speaker 11: and then taking the cake, the ap North Paul twenty
[22:24] Speaker 11: six points underwater.
[22:26] Speaker 2: Now we do have best to avoid this here, but
[22:29] Speaker 2: don't you love that in half a second you were
[22:32] Speaker 2: able to read all of those numbers. You saw they
[22:33] Speaker 2: were all read and you saw, they were all pretty big.
[22:35] Speaker 2: But let me point this one out and point that
[22:37] Speaker 2: one out, and point this one out and point that
[22:39] Speaker 2: one out.
[22:41] Speaker 3: The bigger concern.
[22:42] Speaker 2: Politically for Donald Trump is that one of the ways
[22:45] Speaker 2: that he was able to win was obviously he got
[22:47] Speaker 2: people to vote who were traditional Republicans. He got people
[22:50] Speaker 2: to join the Republican Party. Democrats were not interested in
[22:54] Speaker 2: some places, turning around and having to back in Harris
[22:56] Speaker 2: after the laws in and around Biden. But the one
[22:59] Speaker 2: group that actually sweet these elections, and remember in the
[23:02] Speaker 2: swing States, it's a one hundred thousand here, one hundred
[23:04] Speaker 2: thousand there, one hundred thousand here, one hundred thousand, there
[23:06] Speaker 2: are people who declare themselves to be independence.
[23:09] Speaker 3: How's Trump doing with them?
[23:13] Speaker 11: What is driving these horrific numbers for Donald Trump? Well,
[23:17] Speaker 11: why don't we take a look at independence. Trump's not
[23:20] Speaker 11: approval rang with independence Back in January, he was close
[23:22] Speaker 11: to even. He was at minus four points, not great,
[23:25] Speaker 11: but not terrible. Look at this number, forty three points
[23:32] Speaker 11: underwater with independence and the most recent average of these polls.
[23:37] Speaker 3: A little bit excited.
[23:39] Speaker 2: I used to listen to Harriet and when he was
[23:41] Speaker 2: part of the five thirty eight podcast. I don't know
[23:42] Speaker 2: where any of these came from, but he loves it.
[23:44] Speaker 5: Woooo numbers really easy to read. Numbers the little circle
[23:51] Speaker 5: just in case you haven't.
[23:52] Speaker 3: Seen them now.
[23:54] Speaker 2: Of course, what happens when the Independence maybe don't want
[23:57] Speaker 2: to back in Donald Trump and have an opportunity to watch,
[24:00] Speaker 2: not turn out or vote for the people who want
[24:02] Speaker 2: to pull a giant handbreak on Donald Trump. This all
[24:05] Speaker 2: matters because they have a one seat majority. Magitator green Well,
[24:09] Speaker 2: she steps down in January, meaning there'll be a zero
[24:13] Speaker 2: every single MP every single time. And remember every vote
[24:16] Speaker 2: is a conscience vote. What does it mean if Independents
[24:19] Speaker 2: stay where they are right now?
[24:21] Speaker 3: Will be obvious.
[24:24] Speaker 11: When you were forty three points underwater with Independence, you
[24:27] Speaker 11: know you're doing terribly.
[24:28] Speaker 3: You can't win with us.
[24:29] Speaker 11: If this holds for next year's midterm election, we have
[24:32] Speaker 11: audios and egos goot bye, see you later to that
[24:35] Speaker 11: House Republican majority and that Senate Republican majority very much
[24:39] Speaker 11: in danger as well.
[24:41] Speaker 2: I think he's having a good time also having a
[24:44] Speaker 2: good time with the people who we pay to write
[24:46] Speaker 2: the laws of this country. While you were working, working
[24:49] Speaker 2: hard and what Tuesday night. Now you start to turn
[24:52] Speaker 2: the corner and start making money for yourself, not money,
[24:54] Speaker 2: making money for the taxman to pay for the MPs
[24:56] Speaker 2: and to pay for them to make crap social media
[24:59] Speaker 2: videos like this, this one, this one about student debts
[25:02] Speaker 2: from a labor MP. Again, I wonder if this next
[25:16] Speaker 2: one is going to be very subtle in its metaphor
[25:19] Speaker 2: or not.
[25:23] Speaker 5: Les long throat goalkeepers come, hasn't got there, Harry culexj
[25:28] Speaker 5: hell six minutes to go.
[25:30] Speaker 2: Honestly, again, what I hate about this stuff is about
[25:33] Speaker 2: how patronizing it is. And again, who is the person
[25:36] Speaker 2: who looks at this?
[25:37] Speaker 10: Thank you?
[25:39] Speaker 2: This is this type of crap that is being paid
[25:40] Speaker 2: for not just by the taxpayer to make it, but
[25:43] Speaker 2: then they end up boosting their profiles to make themselves
[25:47] Speaker 2: the local celebrity with taxpayer money as well.
[25:52] Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Third and final one here do you remember Kesher? Yeah?
[25:57] Speaker 3: Me too?
[26:06] Speaker 2: Okay, see you later more in a sec here on
[26:08] Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live. Pleady to get to one day I'll
[26:10] Speaker 2: improve my throw including Yes, we'll show you part of
[26:13] Speaker 2: what is going to be the brand new Pauline Hanson movie.
[26:16] Speaker 3: Oh this is already annoying. People, which means.
[26:18] Speaker 2: I love it and for some reason people are freaking
[26:23] Speaker 2: out about a way that the Reform Party is selling
[26:26] Speaker 2: some merchandise.
[26:28] Speaker 3: It won't surprise you they are calling and at Nazies
[26:31] Speaker 3: Quad rubbish more in a sec.
[26:33] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching Tuesday Night, Paul Murray Live. Hey, Little
[26:41] Speaker 2: Shout Out tomorrow night. Obviously it's our fifteenth anniversary. I
[26:44] Speaker 2: really hope that you're going to enjoy that show. I'm
[26:47] Speaker 2: looking forward to it, looking forward to showing you many
[26:49] Speaker 2: of the highlights and chat our course for the next
[26:51] Speaker 2: fifteen years. But a Little Shouder will be on with
[26:53] Speaker 2: Colin Jeckyo tomorrow morning about seven thirty if you happen
[26:55] Speaker 2: to like it or get their podcast.
[26:57] Speaker 3: Who knows what's going to happen? Kyle, Me and Jack
[26:59] Speaker 3: in the same room. What could happen?
[27:01] Speaker 2: Looking forward to two people who are not in the
[27:03] Speaker 2: same room but always spiritually interconnected. None other than James
[27:06] Speaker 2: Ashby from one Nation and former labor to her bootstraps,
[27:09] Speaker 2: but still a free citizen and free to say whatever
[27:11] Speaker 2: she wants.
[27:11] Speaker 3: From Melbourne Tonight.
[27:13] Speaker 2: Linda Scott, Hello everybody now, Paul, look at James.
[27:19] Speaker 3: He's got sort of the show is collar on tonight.
[27:21] Speaker 2: Why because they had a little little premiere, little premiere
[27:24] Speaker 2: for the trailer for the Super Progressive Movie.
[27:28] Speaker 3: Linda, are you ready, You're gonna hold on. I'm gonna
[27:29] Speaker 3: show a little bit to you.
[27:31] Speaker 2: This is going to go nationwide, worldwide, of course, on
[27:35] Speaker 2: Australia Day. You can register now at Superprogressivemovie dot com
[27:41] Speaker 2: and I think it'll cost about ten bucks.
[27:42] Speaker 3: All right, here is part of the trailer. Have a
[27:45] Speaker 3: look once upon.
[27:47] Speaker 4: A time being so called Australia, our culture war tour
[27:52] Speaker 4: the nation apart.
[27:57] Speaker 8: And somehow you're left east.
[28:00] Speaker 3: And I should know.
[28:01] Speaker 8: I'm the Prime Minister Halbo.
[28:05] Speaker 3: This is finally good morning, fellow white straight males. Hey,
[28:18] Speaker 3: big boy.
[28:21] Speaker 9: Justice the oldest full time.
[28:23] Speaker 10: This is nammagain.
[28:26] Speaker 3: That's what we'll stop it.
[28:27] Speaker 2: Why because it's a fantastic trailer that the Internet will
[28:31] Speaker 2: have a great amount of fun with. The broadcasting regulators
[28:34] Speaker 2: will say, buggy you fifteen years.
[28:36] Speaker 3: You're done, as I say. You want to see the
[28:38] Speaker 3: whole thing.
[28:38] Speaker 2: It's on the website now, James, before we get into
[28:41] Speaker 2: the creative and all the rest of it, Linda James
[28:44] Speaker 2: has asked me just for an early review of the trailer,
[28:47] Speaker 2: because you know when they put those quotes on the
[28:49] Speaker 2: poster they want to get one from you about what
[28:52] Speaker 2: you think of the trailer.
[28:53] Speaker 3: Are you excited for the super progressive movie?
[28:55] Speaker 2: Will you be willing to help host the screening for
[28:58] Speaker 2: the good people of the inner whet of Sydney.
[29:02] Speaker 12: Well, look, I did notice that it is about the
[29:04] Speaker 12: same time that Senator Hanson's name has been removed from
[29:09] Speaker 12: the One Nation party name.
[29:11] Speaker 6: So I do think this is a brilliant.
[29:13] Speaker 12: Pr distraction by One Nation to distract from the fact
[29:17] Speaker 12: that they're sort of pulling Senator Pauline Hanson out of
[29:20] Speaker 12: One Nation's name and shoving a kind of distracting cartoon
[29:24] Speaker 12: in front of Australians to take away from the fact
[29:28] Speaker 12: that she's been removed from the One Nation brand. So
[29:32] Speaker 12: I thought that was a skillful slide of hand by you.
[29:35] Speaker 12: I assume it was you, James Ashby. I can't wait
[29:37] Speaker 12: to hear the story behind the movie and the rebrand
[29:41] Speaker 12: and the removing of Pauline Hanson from that.
[29:44] Speaker 3: Much verbal One Nation.
[29:46] Speaker 2: Does anyone think Pauline's not front and send a captain
[29:48] Speaker 2: coach and chief selector?
[29:50] Speaker 6: But anyway, my name's not anymore.
[29:51] Speaker 2: So I round out, I'm not playing that game, James.
[29:55] Speaker 2: The movie all right, is it done? Is it still
[29:58] Speaker 2: being tinkered with? You and the rest of the team
[30:01] Speaker 2: still fiddling with things? Give us an idea because the
[30:04] Speaker 2: trailer looks amazing.
[30:07] Speaker 4: I can tell you the movie is not complete yet,
[30:09] Speaker 4: but the trailer is. The whole concept of the film
[30:12] Speaker 4: is there and that is what primarily movies do in
[30:16] Speaker 4: advance to releasing them. So look the finishing touches. I
[30:20] Speaker 4: think there's only about twelve minutes left to complete on
[30:22] Speaker 4: this film and it goes for about an hour and
[30:24] Speaker 4: a half Paul. So it's a remarkable piece of work,
[30:28] Speaker 4: Australian work, one hundred percent. No AI, no overseas animation companies.
[30:33] Speaker 4: It's all done here in the heart of Australia. And
[30:35] Speaker 4: more importantly, Adam Melbourne and step mates are very proud
[30:39] Speaker 4: of the fact we came along during those COVID lockdowns
[30:42] Speaker 4: and look, Mark would some say that we probably saved
[30:46] Speaker 4: their company at that time and they've just grown over
[30:48] Speaker 4: the years. They're a remarkable team, him and Sebastian and
[30:53] Speaker 4: I'm just so proud of the work that they've done here.
[30:55] Speaker 4: This is written by the boys, but obviously one nation
[30:58] Speaker 4: have funded it and Pauline's land her name, I might
[31:01] Speaker 4: just add paul do you want to break here? You
[31:03] Speaker 4: know Holly Valance, she has has come on board. She
[31:06] Speaker 4: will play a cameo role and launch a new song
[31:09] Speaker 4: in this film as well.
[31:11] Speaker 5: It's got how old schools that the movie with the song,
[31:14] Speaker 5: the song from Holly Valance, Holly Valance with the big
[31:17] Speaker 5: few to the left is how.
[31:19] Speaker 3: Good is that going to be? All right? Well, whatever
[31:21] Speaker 3: I can do to help, we'll be there, all right.
[31:23] Speaker 2: Now, Let's also move on here to well a conversation
[31:27] Speaker 2: about how one warms a steak. I mean, talk about
[31:30] Speaker 2: the distraction within the distraction, within the side distraction here.
[31:33] Speaker 2: Can you believe James again that people? I mean, here's
[31:36] Speaker 2: the thing. MPs have got an office.
[31:39] Speaker 3: They don't have a kitchen.
[31:40] Speaker 2: They've got a kitchen it right, which means if they
[31:42] Speaker 2: want to make I don't know, may be called something
[31:44] Speaker 2: else now, but I'll call it a jaffle or they
[31:47] Speaker 2: want it that they've got a sandwich press and guess
[31:48] Speaker 2: what she's worked out how to heat the meat. Can
[31:51] Speaker 2: you believe that of all of the things that they
[31:53] Speaker 2: are swirling in and around you guys at the moment
[31:56] Speaker 2: that this is something that they are talking about, including
[31:59] Speaker 2: two actual food poisoning.
[32:03] Speaker 3: That's remarkable, isn't it.
[32:05] Speaker 4: I really find the media is so distracted these days
[32:08] Speaker 4: over some of the most puerile little things. But I
[32:11] Speaker 4: have to a bit.
[32:11] Speaker 3: Paul.
[32:12] Speaker 4: We've been using that sandwich maker not only for toasted sandwiches,
[32:17] Speaker 4: but for cooking steaks for nine years since Paul and
[32:20] Speaker 4: Hanson's been back in the Parliament, so since twenty sixteen.
[32:23] Speaker 4: I've never had a crooked meal since she's implemented it.
[32:27] Speaker 4: And it's as clean as a whistle. If people have
[32:30] Speaker 4: got limited space, if they're living in a caravan or
[32:32] Speaker 4: they don't have room in the office, buy one. They're
[32:35] Speaker 4: so practical. And Woolworths and Big w all the little
[32:40] Speaker 4: what do they call them, cheap shops they all sell them.
[32:42] Speaker 4: Best way to cook a steak mate.
[32:44] Speaker 2: Now, by the way, I'm just quickly googling you George Foreman.
[32:47] Speaker 2: Remember the old boxing when he came out with the
[32:49] Speaker 2: George Ford which of course was he just put his
[32:51] Speaker 2: name on it. Two hundred million bucks. You want a
[32:53] Speaker 2: fundraise for the party, put out some Pauline Sandwich makers.
[32:57] Speaker 3: All right, But.
[32:58] Speaker 2: Linda, no doubt to have your say, like many others
[33:01] Speaker 2: have about the Burker, about its use, about the suspension
[33:05] Speaker 2: of the past seven days. It has been amazing to
[33:08] Speaker 2: watch among others people like the leaders of the Greens.
[33:11] Speaker 2: Oh it's disrespectful to faith. Oh, because they really are
[33:14] Speaker 2: the ones that are so respectful of people of faith.
[33:17] Speaker 2: Your thoughts on what the senator did and the reaction
[33:21] Speaker 2: to it, Linda.
[33:24] Speaker 12: Well, look, you know what Australians love about Australia. They
[33:26] Speaker 12: love that they live next door to neighbors who were
[33:29] Speaker 12: born somewhere else. They love eating food from all over
[33:32] Speaker 12: the world. They love following and playing sports next to
[33:35] Speaker 12: people who are from so many different parts of the world,
[33:38] Speaker 12: but who come together to jointly and collectively love Australia,
[33:42] Speaker 12: love the wonderful, incredible place that we live. And no
[33:45] Speaker 12: matter whether you're an Indigenous Australian, a First Nations person,
[33:49] Speaker 12: or you've migrated here just recently, friends of mine recently
[33:53] Speaker 12: became citizens in the last few weeks, having been on
[33:56] Speaker 12: counsel and sat through all those incredibly moving citizenships. And
[34:00] Speaker 12: that's what's so great about Australia, and I do think
[34:03] Speaker 12: that it's just really sad that Senator Hanson, in a
[34:06] Speaker 12: kind of desperate bid for attention, pulling a stunt that
[34:10] Speaker 12: she's already pulled seven years ago, is trying to divide
[34:14] Speaker 12: the nation and actually kind of attack the things.
[34:16] Speaker 6: That people love so much about Australia.
[34:19] Speaker 12: They love all the diversity, all the difference, all the
[34:22] Speaker 12: celebration of our different cultures that make up this incredibly
[34:26] Speaker 12: interesting global nation, and she just seeks to divide.
[34:31] Speaker 6: She seeks to divide on race.
[34:34] Speaker 12: On religion, on where you live, on whether you live
[34:37] Speaker 12: in a city or whether you live in a region.
[34:39] Speaker 12: I've just spent my last few days in New South
[34:41] Speaker 12: Wales with an incredible bunch of my friends, all of
[34:44] Speaker 12: whom are regional mayors from right across New South Wales.
[34:48] Speaker 12: They're some of the best people in the world, and
[34:50] Speaker 12: yet if you asked Senator Hanson, she'd say that we're
[34:53] Speaker 12: all so different and we couldn't possibly want to be
[34:56] Speaker 12: hanging out with each other and enjoying each other's company
[34:59] Speaker 12: and having dinner together and talking about our love of
[35:01] Speaker 12: Australia and local government. So I just think it's sad
[35:05] Speaker 12: it's not a reflection of what Australians tell me.
[35:08] Speaker 6: And it doesn't matter where they leave or where they
[35:10] Speaker 6: come from.
[35:11] Speaker 12: What they love about Australia is that incredible special multicultural diversity.
[35:16] Speaker 3: James, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole.
[35:18] Speaker 2: That is the argument in and around the Burker all
[35:20] Speaker 2: points well stated, including how other countries have dealt with this. Right,
[35:24] Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the process.
[35:27] Speaker 2: Has Pauline Hanson been treated differently than other people in
[35:31] Speaker 2: terms of when they do the wrong thing according to
[35:34] Speaker 2: the rules of the room to cop not an hour,
[35:38] Speaker 2: not a day, but to cop a week as a penalty.
[35:44] Speaker 4: You're right to point this out. We call them standing orders.
[35:47] Speaker 4: It's the rules of the game in the Senate and
[35:50] Speaker 4: unfortunately they weren't followed yesterday when the President took the
[35:54] Speaker 4: chair and blatantly ignored a couple of opportunities for One
[35:58] Speaker 4: Nation members to be able to state their case. It was,
[36:02] Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned, a breach of standing orders.
[36:04] Speaker 4: The letter has been written by our Chief Whip, Sean
[36:07] Speaker 4: bell Our, Senator for New South Wales, that was written
[36:10] Speaker 4: yesterday before this further suspensional sension notice was put forward
[36:15] Speaker 4: and a further seven days was added for time out
[36:18] Speaker 4: for Paul and Hansen. Now, I think in this case
[36:21] Speaker 4: the President does need to state her case as to
[36:24] Speaker 4: why she shouldn't be held to account for her decisions
[36:28] Speaker 4: yesterday and again today. We hope that we get a
[36:32] Speaker 4: response before the end of the week. I think it's
[36:33] Speaker 4: only fair. But Paul, I think Linda and the rest
[36:37] Speaker 4: of the Labor Party and the Coalition for that matter,
[36:40] Speaker 4: I don't expect anything different from the Greens. We have
[36:43] Speaker 4: an opportunity and I'm reasonably well traveled as a bloke
[36:47] Speaker 4: in his forties, but I've never seen a cultural change
[36:50] Speaker 4: in countries that I visited over the last twenty years
[36:53] Speaker 4: like Europe as quickly as I have. And Australia has
[36:57] Speaker 4: got a very unique opportunity here to make sure that
[37:00] Speaker 4: we don't go down that same path as Europe, as
[37:03] Speaker 4: the UK, as other parts of the of the world,
[37:07] Speaker 4: including Canada, where we get the mix of people wrong
[37:10] Speaker 4: in this nation and mass migration needs to be looked
[37:13] Speaker 4: at seriously and the types of people we bring into
[37:16] Speaker 4: the country. We have that opportunity to do it. Now
[37:19] Speaker 4: we simply call for face coverings and burkers to be
[37:22] Speaker 4: banned in the Parliament, and Labor, the Greens, the Coalition
[37:27] Speaker 4: and some of those cross benches refuse to have that
[37:30] Speaker 4: bill heard.
[37:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, but obviously, I mean there's a great difference between
[37:33] Speaker 2: the discriminatory and a non discriminatory immigration policy. And if
[37:38] Speaker 2: the conversation is about what's being worn as opposed to
[37:42] Speaker 2: whom is making it in or not, those days do
[37:44] Speaker 2: seem to be two very different discussions. Only because we're
[37:48] Speaker 2: running out of time, not because I'm part of Internet's censorship.
[37:50] Speaker 2: I just want to ask one more thing before we're
[37:52] Speaker 2: done here, Linda. I'm fine with the census asking whatever
[37:56] Speaker 2: questions at once. I know some people will get annoyed
[37:59] Speaker 2: because the are around race, sex, gender.
[38:02] Speaker 3: All the rest of it.
[38:03] Speaker 2: My thing is it's a really important document because if
[38:05] Speaker 2: everyone tells the truth then we can start to work
[38:07] Speaker 2: out who lives where, what can we do, how much
[38:10] Speaker 2: needs to get funded here or there. You'll call with
[38:12] Speaker 2: the changes as well.
[38:15] Speaker 12: I love the census, but I think it's particularly special
[38:18] Speaker 12: that they are going to have questions about gender and
[38:21] Speaker 12: sexuality this time. I think that's something that many communities
[38:26] Speaker 12: across Australia have asked for it's really important for local
[38:29] Speaker 12: governments to understand what kinds of services our community need.
[38:33] Speaker 6: Again, in every.
[38:34] Speaker 12: Part of Australia, it's critical for our communities to understand ourselves.
[38:39] Speaker 6: So I think it's a great addition to the census.
[38:42] Speaker 12: I think all the changes about how people get in
[38:45] Speaker 12: and around to work. I heard a stat the other
[38:47] Speaker 12: day actually that there's more people jumping around on e
[38:51] Speaker 12: bikes in the city of Brisbane.
[38:53] Speaker 6: Than there are catching many of their other.
[38:55] Speaker 12: Forms of public transpert So this is really critical for
[38:58] Speaker 12: governments to plan services. It's really important information. I hope
[39:02] Speaker 12: people fill it out. I'm a big stats nerd and
[39:06] Speaker 12: I love reading census data in my spare time. But again,
[39:10] Speaker 12: I think it's great that Australians are really happy to
[39:13] Speaker 12: be honest and answer about themselves to help governments.
[39:15] Speaker 6: Plan for a better life for all Australians.
[39:18] Speaker 3: And also about the census.
[39:19] Speaker 2: Here, James, what I find really interesting is that there's
[39:22] Speaker 2: a way that the Census, eventually, once they put all
[39:24] Speaker 2: the information in, you can start to break things down
[39:26] Speaker 2: by federal electorates.
[39:28] Speaker 3: Right. That's helpful.
[39:29] Speaker 2: If say you want to talk about focusing on rental,
[39:34] Speaker 2: how many people in a particular area, renting how many
[39:36] Speaker 2: people have parents from oversets whatever.
[39:38] Speaker 3: It gives us great information.
[39:40] Speaker 2: But should that information get as detailed about things like
[39:44] Speaker 2: sex and gender as they want to go?
[39:48] Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, Paul, because when you require
[39:50] Speaker 4: a doctor, you either want to go and see them
[39:52] Speaker 4: for male problems or female problems. They are the only
[39:56] Speaker 4: two genders that are identify. I'd properly buy anyone to
[40:03] Speaker 4: James and all these others.
[40:04] Speaker 12: Are you admitting, man, I just don't understand what you're saying.
[40:09] Speaker 6: That is absolutely But.
[40:10] Speaker 4: When you've got lady bids problems, you want them dealt with,
[40:13] Speaker 4: and when you've got man bits problems, you don't want
[40:15] Speaker 4: them dealt with it, right, all right? So that's that's
[40:18] Speaker 4: the thing.
[40:19] Speaker 3: Love.
[40:19] Speaker 12: Everyone does not discriminate James.
[40:23] Speaker 5: See the doctor said, need to look at James, what
[40:25] Speaker 5: a week he's had?
[40:26] Speaker 3: In what a week he's had. We love your mate,
[40:28] Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow. Keep fighting on and.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Of course don't forget super progressive movie dot com is
[40:34] Speaker 2: the way to support that project coming out at the
[40:36] Speaker 2: start of next year. The Great Niger Ferrasi's standing by
[40:39] Speaker 2: a very good laugh at Australian politics.
[40:41] Speaker 3: Next, it's time for the man who's never.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Well according to the polls our mate Nigel farras Leader
[40:54] Speaker 2: of Reform on his way to being the next Prime minister.
[40:56] Speaker 2: Great man, love you to see you. How's the campaign trail?
[40:59] Speaker 2: Even the sky behind just turning Reform teal camp?
[41:05] Speaker 13: It is no teals all the rage here in terms
[41:07] Speaker 13: of color. I got to tell you, yeah, look, you
[41:10] Speaker 13: know we're doing well. All the other parties now do
[41:12] Speaker 13: is just throw insults at us the whole time. The
[41:15] Speaker 13: chairman of the Conservative Party comparing us to the Nazi Party.
[41:19] Speaker 13: I mean that just shows you how scared and desperate
[41:23] Speaker 13: they are and they can't face up to their own failure.
[41:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, can we talk about this right?
[41:28] Speaker 2: So the Reform logo, when presented in this fashion we're
[41:33] Speaker 2: about to show on screen, they were able to say, well, well,
[41:36] Speaker 2: hang on because because in the nineteen thirties there was
[41:40] Speaker 2: another circle and there was gold in that and it.
[41:43] Speaker 3: Had a SWASTI it's the same thing. Like how I
[41:46] Speaker 3: mean these people go.
[41:47] Speaker 2: Looking for symbolism that doesn't exist. I mean it doesn't exist,
[41:51] Speaker 2: has never existed. Yes, has a circle existed before and
[41:55] Speaker 2: bad people have used it?
[41:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, But this is not the same thing at all.
[42:03] Speaker 13: No, And of course gold and black are the colors,
[42:05] Speaker 13: you know, and lots of football clubs use that color
[42:08] Speaker 13: and they go quite well together. Now, the whole thing's extraordinary. Now,
[42:11] Speaker 13: this all came out on Sunday evening at about seven
[42:14] Speaker 13: pm UK time. And don't forget this man who put
[42:18] Speaker 13: this out, Kevin Hollingrake. He is the chairman of the
[42:21] Speaker 13: Conservative Party, one of the oldest and previously most successful
[42:25] Speaker 13: political parties in the world. Now I assumed he must
[42:30] Speaker 13: have sat down for a late Sunday roast and perhaps
[42:34] Speaker 13: got a bit over excited on the claret. This is
[42:38] Speaker 13: the only assumption I could make, because twenty minutes after
[42:43] Speaker 13: he posted it he took it down and then maybe
[42:49] Speaker 13: he poured another glass, because he put it back up again.
[42:51] Speaker 13: So quite extraordinary, and well, what else can it be
[42:57] Speaker 13: on a Sunday evening at seven o'clock?
[42:59] Speaker 3: Correct, a bit of dad courage Dutch courage times too?
[43:07] Speaker 13: Well, it could well, But and for the party leader,
[43:09] Speaker 13: bad not came he to say that it was just
[43:11] Speaker 13: a joke. Well, you know, actually being serious for a minute.
[43:16] Speaker 13: In the wake of the Charlie Kirk murder, you know,
[43:20] Speaker 13: these were the kind of words that were being thrown about,
[43:24] Speaker 13: you know, describing Charlie. So, by the way, I don't
[43:28] Speaker 13: mind people taking the mickey. I can take a joke
[43:30] Speaker 13: as much as anybody. But this, frankly, it wasn't humor.
[43:34] Speaker 13: It was just somebody very upset and angry that his
[43:37] Speaker 13: party is going down the drain.
[43:39] Speaker 3: But also.
[43:42] Speaker 2: I find the invocation of it to not have the
[43:46] Speaker 2: power that it used to because the the you know,
[43:50] Speaker 2: it's always said as soon as you start mentioning, you know,
[43:54] Speaker 2: the political parties in Germany in the nineteen thirties, then
[43:57] Speaker 2: you know you've lost the argument. I mean, here's the thing.
[44:00] Speaker 2: If they want to engage with you, engage with you, right.
[44:02] Speaker 2: You're a bloke who loves the verbal biff right, loves
[44:06] Speaker 2: the ability to go back and forth, will sit and
[44:08] Speaker 2: debate anyone anywhere. So if they want to come and
[44:12] Speaker 2: take you on, take you on. But this idea, and
[44:14] Speaker 2: I think to what you mentioned about the Charlie Kirk stuff,
[44:18] Speaker 2: is if the political opponents will try to raise the
[44:24] Speaker 2: threat level in and around you or your candidates as
[44:27] Speaker 2: some sort of existential threat to the freedoms. Well, of course,
[44:30] Speaker 2: no It's just about that people getting the chance to
[44:32] Speaker 2: choose their local MP and if there's enough of them
[44:35] Speaker 2: being able to choose you to be the leader, to
[44:37] Speaker 2: be the prime minister. This is the process working, not
[44:41] Speaker 2: some sort of tearing down of the process. It's like
[44:43] Speaker 2: those Democrats who all said democracy was done under Trump,
[44:46] Speaker 2: and then democracy got a few of them elected a
[44:49] Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago.
[44:53] Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, here's a problem. Democracy itself is now
[44:56] Speaker 13: being challenged. It's something I think post two were the
[45:01] Speaker 13: very idea of democracy was cherished. You know, it was
[45:04] Speaker 13: very very important that I remember, as you know, when
[45:06] Speaker 13: I was a kid, for women even having the vote
[45:09] Speaker 13: was a very very important thing. But now we're living
[45:12] Speaker 13: in a world where increasingly, if I disagree with you,
[45:16] Speaker 13: I think you should be shut down. If I disagree
[45:18] Speaker 13: with you, you shouldn't be at a lecture at my university.
[45:21] Speaker 13: So maybe the logic ultimately is if I disagree with you,
[45:24] Speaker 13: I don't really think your vote should count. I think
[45:26] Speaker 13: that's the process intellectually that we're going on, and we
[45:30] Speaker 13: have to try and do something to explain, particularly to
[45:34] Speaker 13: a younger generation, that the freedoms that we have the
[45:36] Speaker 13: freedom to abuse each other, the freedom to vote differently,
[45:40] Speaker 13: that these are very very hard won liberties that came
[45:43] Speaker 13: at a very very big price and ought to be valued.
[45:46] Speaker 3: Well, that's it.
[45:47] Speaker 2: It's about how we disagree, how we disagree and hold
[45:51] Speaker 2: space for the people that we disagree with. It's fundamental
[45:54] Speaker 2: to what it's all about. And of course, one of
[45:56] Speaker 2: those tectonic struggles between you know, free and open country,
[46:00] Speaker 2: one that clearly isn't is what's happening with Russia and Ukraine. Look,
[46:04] Speaker 2: whatever's on the table at the moment that basically says,
[46:06] Speaker 2: you know, Russia gets everything that at wants, you have
[46:10] Speaker 2: to get rid of your military. I mean, who's ever
[46:12] Speaker 2: going to sign up to that. I just think, after
[46:15] Speaker 2: all of these years and all of this negotiation, if
[46:17] Speaker 2: the position is constantly what putin wanted at the start
[46:20] Speaker 2: of it, we're not having negotiations. We're just dragging things out,
[46:25] Speaker 2: pretending that there is a deal to be done with
[46:27] Speaker 2: this bloke, as opposed to just doing your best at defeeding.
[46:33] Speaker 13: Look, you know the twenty eight point plan that was
[46:35] Speaker 13: leaked and Trump said You've got to till next Thursday,
[46:38] Speaker 13: and I came out and said, look, it's unacceptable. You
[46:40] Speaker 13: can't tell the sovereign country how big its army should be. That,
[46:44] Speaker 13: of course, is all played out far our returns on Trump. No,
[46:47] Speaker 13: it's a negotiation. It goes in stages, and the whole
[46:50] Speaker 13: point of that twenty eight points was for Ukraine to
[46:54] Speaker 13: come back with its European allies to counter it. Now,
[46:57] Speaker 13: hopefully the negotiations in the Middle East over the last
[46:59] Speaker 13: twenty five or ours have moved this forward. Everybody forgets
[47:03] Speaker 13: that wars only in one or two ways. They either
[47:06] Speaker 13: end in annihilation or they end in a negotiated settlement.
[47:10] Speaker 13: And those negotiations often go on for weeks, in fact,
[47:14] Speaker 13: in some cases even for months, So no one should
[47:17] Speaker 13: get too excited at any particular point of this process.
[47:20] Speaker 13: We're nowhere near the end, and I'd beg your viewers
[47:23] Speaker 13: to remember everyone said Trump could never achieve a peace
[47:28] Speaker 13: deal or a cease far of any description in the
[47:30] Speaker 13: Middle East, and yet he did it. So hold faith
[47:34] Speaker 13: and actually, rather than condemning everything, let's say it's a
[47:37] Speaker 13: good thing that both sides are talking.
[47:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Nigel, loving to talk to you each and
[47:42] Speaker 2: every week. More power of you are and people can
[47:44] Speaker 2: see O A gpin news and here each and every week.
[47:46] Speaker 3: Thank you, mate to appreciate it.
[47:47] Speaker 2: Leader of the Reform Party. The next Prime Minister of
[47:49] Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. According to the pals, wouldn't it be
[47:52] Speaker 2: great to see him in charge of the great country
[47:56] Speaker 2: that is the United Kingdom?
[47:57] Speaker 3: Trump in charge of the United States? Our league got
[48:00] Speaker 3: old fashion.
[48:00] Speaker 2: Australia ain't making a change anytime soon, but it'll be
[48:03] Speaker 2: great to watch people who have those countries' interests first.
[48:06] Speaker 2: Fascinating to watch. You can see at all skynews dot com.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Do you all day, every day. Subscribe for just five
[48:11] Speaker 2: bucks a month. You'll be able to take us wherever
[48:13] Speaker 2: you go and watch all our shows. Now, are you
[48:22] Speaker 2: somebody who just can't throw stuff out? Like you're not
[48:24] Speaker 2: the full blown hoarder? Okay, you know where all the
[48:27] Speaker 2: pets are in the house? They are none mysteriously behind boxes. Well,
[48:32] Speaker 2: if like our house, there is some stuff that might
[48:35] Speaker 2: need to get hoyt double check the boxes. Why because
[48:38] Speaker 2: somebody was having a look in and around an old
[48:40] Speaker 2: attic and it found one of the original Superman one
[48:44] Speaker 2: issues the comic in virtually min condition, meaning you could
[48:48] Speaker 2: sell for fourteen million dollars.
[48:50] Speaker 3: Now I wish this.
[48:51] Speaker 2: Applied to moldy shirts, broken mugs, old computers that don't work,
[48:57] Speaker 2: CD players that don't have a lid on it, and
[48:59] Speaker 2: all the other crap in my garage. But just be
[49:02] Speaker 2: careful when you're doing the hoyk, especially the family clean out.
[49:05] Speaker 2: For whatever reason, you never know what is in that
[49:08] Speaker 2: box over there. The Macquarie Dictionary always comes up with
[49:12] Speaker 2: what they believe to be the word of the year,
[49:14] Speaker 2: and they believe it to be aislop. What is aislop?
[49:18] Speaker 2: All that rubbish which many people might end up being
[49:21] Speaker 2: distracted by, that is clearly fake, clearly garbage that is
[49:25] Speaker 2: in much of our social media feeds. Apparently the second
[49:28] Speaker 2: best was a zempic face. How many people use the
[49:31] Speaker 2: term a zempic face? But I do understand the concept
[49:35] Speaker 2: of ai.
[49:35] Speaker 3: Slop and it's the word of the year.
[49:39] Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, join us for I look back at fifteen years,
[49:41] Speaker 2: a fun look, some heartwarming moments, some fun along the way,
[49:45] Speaker 2: a couple of beautiful surprises as well. Thank you for
[49:47] Speaker 2: your support over the past fifteen. Let's get ready for
[49:49] Speaker 2: the next fifteen. See tomorrow

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