# Paul Murray Live | 23 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Oct 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e6e3a8f4-2137-4926-a7c7-b37f00bc7989/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Labor’s migration numbers set to blow past forecasts by 15 per cent, premier under pressure after Luna Park attackers granted bail. Plus, Optus bosses shown the door after the triple-zero debacle. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky in center. This is Paul Murray Live
[0:06] Speaker 1: Today Australia, nine o'clock Australian Eastern daylight time, and it
[0:10] Speaker 1: is right now midday in Rome. You are going to
[0:13] Speaker 1: witness history tonight. On the show, we'll be dipping in
[0:16] Speaker 1: and out of an event that has been five hundred
[0:19] Speaker 1: years in the making. This is the first time that
[0:23] Speaker 1: the Leader of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Governor
[0:25] Speaker 1: of the Church of England will be praying together. These
[0:28] Speaker 1: are live shots coming to us from the magnificent Sistine
[0:30] Speaker 1: Chapel in the Vatican where shortly the service is about
[0:35] Speaker 1: to begin. The Supreme Governor of the Church of England
[0:39] Speaker 1: is otherwise known as King Charles. King Charles and Queen
[0:43] Speaker 1: Camilla will be attending the event. Of course, the Leader
[0:48] Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church being Pope Leo. Our dear friend
[0:51] Speaker 1: Colin Flynn, who would normally be in and around Rome,
[0:55] Speaker 1: is going to be with us this evening to help
[0:57] Speaker 1: talk through what is the importance of the event, the
[1:00] Speaker 1: things that are taking place as we speak. We will
[1:04] Speaker 1: come in and out of the highly significant moments that
[1:06] Speaker 1: are playing out as we speak. But what an incredible
[1:09] Speaker 1: thing and to think of the divides inside churches, inside faiths,
[1:15] Speaker 1: the fact that this day, this night, this moment is
[1:19] Speaker 1: going to be the first in half of a millennia,
[1:24] Speaker 1: five hundred years, the first time that the heads of
[1:27] Speaker 1: the Church of England and the Catholic Church will be
[1:29] Speaker 1: praying together. They'll be doing so, as I say, live
[1:32] Speaker 1: inside the Sistine Chapel. What a world we live in
[1:35] Speaker 1: where we've got technology not just to tell you about
[1:39] Speaker 1: this stuff, but to be able to show it live.
[1:40] Speaker 1: We never take it for granted. And to see history
[1:43] Speaker 1: play out around the world, including a little old Australia,
[1:47] Speaker 1: is going to be a magnificent thing ahead tonight. We
[1:49] Speaker 1: will get to all of that on top of the
[1:52] Speaker 1: events as they take place, and as we seek to
[1:55] Speaker 1: explain not just what is happening, but the meaning behind
[1:58] Speaker 1: all of it. That's where we're our mate column's going
[2:00] Speaker 1: to come on in. We're going to debate the day's
[2:02] Speaker 1: news as always. Joe Hildebrand is going to be here
[2:05] Speaker 1: along with Ross Cadell, the National Senator, and our dear
[2:08] Speaker 1: friend Megan Kelly. She's got a lot to fire up about,
[2:10] Speaker 1: including the obsession with race that people in the Biden
[2:14] Speaker 1: administration are still talking.
[2:16] Speaker 2: About I'm wait street sis and a woman.
[2:23] Speaker 1: All right, So what we're going to do here is
[2:25] Speaker 1: magically you will see a box appear which will give
[2:28] Speaker 1: you the latest images that are coming from Well that's me, Hi, everyone, Hi.
[2:32] Speaker 1: But we'll get Rome up there at some point in time.
[2:34] Speaker 1: There you go, slightly more attractive than me. The roof
[2:37] Speaker 1: of the Sistine Chapel. All right, Well, but a fellow
[2:39] Speaker 1: pizza lover, Michelangelo responsible. You'll get to see some of
[2:43] Speaker 1: that as we roll on until we get to some
[2:45] Speaker 1: significant moments. Can I just talk about some of the
[2:47] Speaker 1: events that are around today? Now on this show we
[2:49] Speaker 1: talk a lot about the plan of Big Australia. I've
[2:54] Speaker 1: told you the reality that thirty years ago we had
[2:57] Speaker 1: a country were just eighteen million people, and it's still
[3:01] Speaker 1: a very significant number thirty years later. So from nineteen
[3:04] Speaker 1: ninety five to twenty twenty five, it's now what twenty
[3:07] Speaker 1: eight million, and thirty years from now, as we get
[3:10] Speaker 1: into the latter half of the century, or certainly the
[3:14] Speaker 1: mid part of the century, I should say we're going
[3:16] Speaker 1: to be the best part of forty million people. Now,
[3:19] Speaker 1: I wouldn't think there's anyone watching this show who understands
[3:21] Speaker 1: or would agree that the infrastructure that we currently have
[3:24] Speaker 1: is good enough for even the eighteen million people who
[3:27] Speaker 1: were here thirty years ago to littlone, the twenty seven
[3:29] Speaker 1: million here little and the forty that are often into
[3:31] Speaker 1: the front. Well, as you know, the debate around migration
[3:36] Speaker 1: has gone from the streets to Parliament House. One that
[3:38] Speaker 1: we have often on this show.
[3:42] Speaker 3: Reducing mass migration means more housing, less congestion, better services,
[3:48] Speaker 3: and of course that will benefit all family.
[3:50] Speaker 4: Total complete and utter failure to control migration numbers.
[3:55] Speaker 5: More people coming in and less people leaving, and they
[3:59] Speaker 5: require too very different policy solutions.
[4:02] Speaker 6: One is very easy, you're reducing the number of people
[4:04] Speaker 6: coming in.
[4:05] Speaker 1: But of course if you dare bring up this topic whatsoever,
[4:08] Speaker 1: they've worked out the little box to push us all
[4:10] Speaker 1: into what's.
[4:11] Speaker 2: The word racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism.
[4:19] Speaker 1: Thanks mate, well bugger that we're going to talk about it.
[4:22] Speaker 1: And surprise, surprise, the Australian federal government, the Labor Party,
[4:26] Speaker 1: who of course its current occupant, have told us lies
[4:31] Speaker 1: about a plan to cut migration and yes, we're episode
[4:33] Speaker 1: down from the megas of a few years ago, but
[4:35] Speaker 1: we're still way above where we've been in the past.
[4:38] Speaker 1: Labor to overshoot migration forecast by it not one, not ten,
[4:42] Speaker 1: but fifteen percent. Migration is likely to be about fifteen
[4:46] Speaker 1: percent higher than that of the Treasury forecast after the
[4:49] Speaker 1: government quietly sped up the process of international student visas
[4:53] Speaker 1: by lowering the risk ratings for thirteen different universities. Treasury
[4:58] Speaker 1: has forecast that met migro of two hundred and sixty
[5:02] Speaker 1: thousand people this year will be down from the projected
[5:05] Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty five thousand last year. However, a
[5:09] Speaker 1: official from the department expects that net migration will be
[5:12] Speaker 1: fifteen percent higher, and that would mean an extra forty
[5:16] Speaker 1: thousand people. As Maxwell Smart used to say, mestered by
[5:21] Speaker 1: that much. Good reference to the kids that are alive
[5:24] Speaker 1: in the sixties. But you get my point. This is
[5:27] Speaker 1: a major issue now, just up and down by forty thousand.
[5:32] Speaker 1: It's a football stadium of people. It's a football stadium
[5:35] Speaker 1: of people who obviously need somewhere to live. Potentially, depending
[5:40] Speaker 1: on the rights they have under certain visas, maybe people
[5:45] Speaker 1: competing with your kids or grandkids when it comes to
[5:48] Speaker 1: low skilled work. Of course, it adds to all of
[5:51] Speaker 1: those other strains that we've talked about before, including the
[5:54] Speaker 1: one that I'm just stuck on, which is that Australia,
[5:58] Speaker 1: when you call triple O, who knows what's going to
[6:02] Speaker 1: happen because you see the ambulances that would be immediately
[6:06] Speaker 1: arriving to whatever's happening with you with TRIPOLO are often
[6:08] Speaker 1: sitting at a hospital. Why because the hospital isn't big
[6:11] Speaker 1: enough for the people who in the ambulance to go
[6:13] Speaker 1: into the hospital. It's just one example that no one
[6:16] Speaker 1: ever wants to talk about, but literally is life and death.
[6:21] Speaker 1: This is why the promises of getting on top of migration,
[6:25] Speaker 1: getting on top of mass migration, getting on top of
[6:28] Speaker 1: out of control migration are things to talk about. But
[6:32] Speaker 1: the reality here is that a Quinn, these international students
[6:36] Speaker 1: are essentially the customers of taxpayer funded businesses that are
[6:41] Speaker 1: the education sector, and unlike many customers of many businesses,
[6:47] Speaker 1: these people come to the country requiring food, housing, shelter
[6:53] Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, as of course is
[6:54] Speaker 1: their right, but all of that adds that further pressure.
[6:59] Speaker 1: You would think that if there was one sector in
[7:00] Speaker 1: particular that you could turn around and say, no, you
[7:02] Speaker 1: know what, we're actually a little bit over this year.
[7:05] Speaker 1: We're going to pull back here. But of course that
[7:10] Speaker 1: would be racist, offensive against higher education. Bugg at that,
[7:16] Speaker 1: as your mayvel have heard this evening, there's some more
[7:19] Speaker 1: problems in Victoria. Now, remember when Justinto Allen was dragged
[7:24] Speaker 1: by the reality of youth crime and out of control
[7:28] Speaker 1: bail laws earlier this year, which even got breakfast shows
[7:32] Speaker 1: talking on the FM band and normally they don't get
[7:34] Speaker 1: into politics, let alone something as serious as this. But
[7:36] Speaker 1: well done to Fifi and her team for doing it
[7:40] Speaker 1: on the Fox each and every morning. Well they were
[7:43] Speaker 1: able to get something out of the government that was
[7:45] Speaker 1: supposedly going to be better. Bail law's meaning when somebody
[7:49] Speaker 1: is accused of a crime, they are more likely to
[7:51] Speaker 1: stay behind bars rather than be let out to potentially
[7:55] Speaker 1: commit another.
[7:56] Speaker 4: One the toughest bail laws in that country. We have
[8:00] Speaker 4: a particular issue with a group of offenders who are
[8:04] Speaker 4: engaging in a repeat pattern of behavior with some of
[8:08] Speaker 4: the worst of offenses, and that's what our tough new
[8:10] Speaker 4: bar laws are focused on. Focus on that repeat pattern
[8:14] Speaker 4: of the worst of offenders.
[8:16] Speaker 1: Well, guess what. The system doesn't seem to be working
[8:19] Speaker 1: the way the premiere is talking about it. Why, as
[8:21] Speaker 1: you may will have heard this evening and certainly been
[8:23] Speaker 1: reading today, there's a situation involving allegations of a shocking
[8:29] Speaker 1: machete attack taking place at Luna Park. I read directly
[8:33] Speaker 1: here from our own website where three young men appear
[8:36] Speaker 1: before Melbourne magistrates called on Wednesday following a violent machete
[8:40] Speaker 1: attack that occurred outside Melbourne's Luna Park on Sunday, just
[8:43] Speaker 1: meet us away from patrons lining up to see the
[8:44] Speaker 1: world renowned comedian, A world renowned comedian, i should say,
[8:48] Speaker 1: at the iconic Palais Theater, which is just next door.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Victoria Police alleged that three men eighteen nineteen twenty one
[8:55] Speaker 1: were involved in an altercation with a rival group. This
[8:59] Speaker 1: happened at about six thirty in the evening. It resulted
[9:02] Speaker 1: in two people being left with cuts from a machete. However,
[9:05] Speaker 1: all three men were released on bail, despite police urging
[9:08] Speaker 1: the court to keep them behind bars. This is the
[9:12] Speaker 1: whole point is that when the police are asking that
[9:17] Speaker 1: the laws, as we are being told by the Premier,
[9:20] Speaker 1: well supposedly situations would make it difficult for what has
[9:24] Speaker 1: happened to have happened, meaning an easy free kick to
[9:28] Speaker 1: the opposition leader and form a police officer Brad Batten.
[9:31] Speaker 6: Today another serious violent crime committed by someone who was
[9:38] Speaker 6: on bail. We saw a person running through the street
[9:40] Speaker 6: with a fake gun on bail. These are the issues
[9:43] Speaker 6: that happen when a government weakens the bail laws, and
[9:46] Speaker 6: it's about time to sin to Alan takes responsibility.
[9:49] Speaker 1: But of course the Premier says, there's nothing to see here.
[9:52] Speaker 1: But if there is something to see here, there's nothing
[9:54] Speaker 1: to see here.
[9:56] Speaker 7: We have toughened the bail laws, we have toughened the
[9:59] Speaker 7: bus laws, and the numbers tell us that there has
[10:03] Speaker 7: been an increase in the number of people who are
[10:07] Speaker 7: in jail not out on bail. We've had a forty
[10:10] Speaker 7: six percent increase in the number of young people who
[10:14] Speaker 7: are now in jail and were not granted bail.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Well, despite defending the system, she's also talking about potentially
[10:21] Speaker 1: updating the system. James Campbell writes this Evening that the
[10:25] Speaker 1: Premiere is not ruling out new changes as a result
[10:28] Speaker 1: of what has happened here. In fact, this is what
[10:30] Speaker 1: she said.
[10:32] Speaker 8: We are always looking at new ways, at new programs,
[10:37] Speaker 8: at new responses to deal with what we are seeing
[10:41] Speaker 8: is a changed, repeat pattern of behavior. It is violent offending,
[10:46] Speaker 8: it is brazen offending occurring in spaces in ways that
[10:50] Speaker 8: we've not seen before, and it's increasingly being done by children.
[10:55] Speaker 7: And so that Victoria Police tells us that it requires
[10:58] Speaker 7: new ways of responding.
[11:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Victoria Police was also toiling you about
[11:03] Speaker 1: rocks being thrown at protests, but your emotional reaction not
[11:07] Speaker 1: quite the same. Also, speaking about youth crime in Victoria,
[11:11] Speaker 1: fascinating report which has come out from the Coroner's Court
[11:13] Speaker 1: and some other data which has been released which says
[11:16] Speaker 1: that more than half of the state's young gang violence
[11:20] Speaker 1: is happening in one particular area. It's happening in Melbourne's northwest,
[11:24] Speaker 1: with eleven children killed with knives in the past decade.
[11:29] Speaker 1: Police say close to three hundred and fifty young gang
[11:31] Speaker 1: members were operating in the area from mid twenty twenty three,
[11:34] Speaker 1: many coming from migrant communities and motivated to join for
[11:39] Speaker 1: protection from abusive families, local bullies, and social connection. A
[11:44] Speaker 1: bit more to all of this, which again gets to
[11:46] Speaker 1: the issue of knife crime as well, with a coroner's
[11:49] Speaker 1: report has exposed the shocking level of knife crime in Victoria,
[11:53] Speaker 1: which has been linked to two hundred and forty five
[11:55] Speaker 1: homicides between twenty fourteen and September twenty twenty five, most
[12:00] Speaker 1: of them involving adults, but eighteen children were killed. Twenty
[12:03] Speaker 1: nine of the knife homicides were committed by children. Those
[12:08] Speaker 1: children killed, eleven were gang related, nine were from migrant communities.
[12:13] Speaker 1: So guess what there is a problem. Hence somebody wanting
[12:17] Speaker 1: to change the government to change the result.
[12:22] Speaker 6: The Victorian government have failed when it comes to knife
[12:24] Speaker 6: crime and their only answer is a machete bing.
[12:27] Speaker 1: That isn't working all right, Let us turn to what
[12:31] Speaker 1: is taking place before our very eyes in this Systeine
[12:33] Speaker 1: Chapel in Rome. Will return to other matters to do
[12:36] Speaker 1: with the news a little bit later. But the biggest
[12:39] Speaker 1: news is that for the first time in five hundred years,
[12:42] Speaker 1: the head of the Catholic Church and the head of
[12:43] Speaker 1: the Church of England will be praying together. The head
[12:46] Speaker 1: of the Catholic churches, of course, the monarch in this
[12:48] Speaker 1: case being King Charles. The Catholic Church being led of
[12:51] Speaker 1: course by the Pope our different Colin Flynn would normally
[12:55] Speaker 1: be next to things at the Vatican, but he's actually
[12:58] Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. But he is.
[13:00] Speaker 1: He had a joined us to talk through what is
[13:01] Speaker 1: an extraordinary moment. We can all sit back and just
[13:04] Speaker 1: enjoy the sustained chapel on any old die, but on
[13:07] Speaker 1: this particular di column, what history is about to unfold
[13:11] Speaker 1: is pretty extraordinary.
[13:13] Speaker 9: Paul, this is extraordinary and a good evening to you.
[13:16] Speaker 9: Good morning. I'm actually in Algeria, Northern Africa, making a
[13:19] Speaker 9: documentary about the small Christian population here, but you're right,
[13:23] Speaker 9: normally I would be there inside the smallest nation state
[13:26] Speaker 9: in the world, Vatican City State. You know, we've joked
[13:29] Speaker 9: before on air in the past that in Italy things
[13:33] Speaker 9: move slowly, they take time. In the Vatican, it's another story.
[13:36] Speaker 9: As you mentioned at the beginning, this only took half
[13:39] Speaker 9: a millennium to happen. Five hundred years. This goes all
[13:43] Speaker 9: the way back to the Reformation in the fifteen thirties,
[13:45] Speaker 9: when King Henry the Eighth wanting to leave his wife,
[13:48] Speaker 9: and he wanted in an oment from the Pope of
[13:50] Speaker 9: the time, but the Pope said no, the sacramentum, the
[13:52] Speaker 9: sacredness of marriage. It applies whether you're the common man
[13:55] Speaker 9: in the street or the mighty monarch of the United Kingdom.
[13:58] Speaker 9: That caused the bitter device the establishment of the Church
[14:01] Speaker 9: of England and really huge persecution Catholics across Europe the Reformation,
[14:06] Speaker 9: especially in Ireland, were penalized and people were killed for
[14:10] Speaker 9: practicing their faith. So the wounds are deep and they're historic. Now,
[14:14] Speaker 9: you know, people are confusing this a little bit. Paul.
[14:17] Speaker 9: King Charles has visited the Vatican on five occasions in
[14:20] Speaker 9: the past. Indeed, his mother, Queen Elizabeth, she met with
[14:24] Speaker 9: five popes. But the difference here is that for the
[14:26] Speaker 9: first time since the Reformation, we will see Pope Leo
[14:30] Speaker 9: the fourteenth, the supreme Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church,
[14:34] Speaker 9: King Charles, the supreme authority of the Church of England.
[14:37] Speaker 9: They will be praying together, so it'll be an ecumenical
[14:41] Speaker 9: prayer service. Inside, as you can see, there are the
[14:43] Speaker 9: shots coming and I'm like you, Paul, I'm always amazed
[14:46] Speaker 9: by this technology that I'm talking to you from Algeria.
[14:49] Speaker 9: You're there in Australia, but we're watching these pictures from
[14:52] Speaker 9: our colleagues at CTV, which is the state broadcaster of
[14:55] Speaker 9: Vatican City State. As the delegation now enter the beautiful
[15:00] Speaker 9: Stine Chapel, which of course very poignant. When we started
[15:03] Speaker 9: talking and became friends, Poul and we were covering the conclave.
[15:07] Speaker 9: It was Pope Leo when he was Cardinal Prevos. He
[15:09] Speaker 9: was walking into this very chapel, not knowing he was
[15:12] Speaker 9: going to walk out as the Pope, and not knowing
[15:14] Speaker 9: that he would be back a few months later meeting
[15:17] Speaker 9: King Charles and Queen Camilla.
[15:19] Speaker 1: The enormity of the occasion because of the five hundred years,
[15:24] Speaker 1: but also give people an idea about just how rare
[15:28] Speaker 1: a service in the Sistine Chapel is, and certainly one
[15:31] Speaker 1: to be televised like these is.
[15:35] Speaker 9: Normally services like this in the Sistine Chapel we would
[15:38] Speaker 9: receive a short edited video afterwards from Vatican TV because
[15:43] Speaker 9: they like to keep the moment private, they like to
[15:45] Speaker 9: keep it sacred. It's a sacrament, it's not a show,
[15:48] Speaker 9: as they say. But the fact poll that they are
[15:51] Speaker 9: making this available for the world to see, including youwitt Sky,
[15:55] Speaker 9: shows that they want to send out a powerful message
[15:58] Speaker 9: that two you know, I don't say enemies. It's strong
[16:02] Speaker 9: a word. But you know, when you trace it back
[16:03] Speaker 9: to the beginning, it was a bitter, bitter divide and
[16:06] Speaker 9: still some of those feelings from the two churches are
[16:10] Speaker 9: still you know, it runs very deep, I can tell
[16:13] Speaker 9: you that. So the fact that they want to show
[16:15] Speaker 9: this to the world and show this moment of Christian unity,
[16:19] Speaker 9: I think goes beyond just the Catholic Church and the
[16:21] Speaker 9: Church of England, the Anglican Church. I think they want
[16:24] Speaker 9: it to be seen by people of all Christian denominations
[16:27] Speaker 9: and of all faiths as well, because I mean, you
[16:30] Speaker 9: look at the divide and the United States between people
[16:33] Speaker 9: even internally in the Catholic Church, between the more progressive
[16:36] Speaker 9: left the more traditional right. So I think this is
[16:38] Speaker 9: just something they want to send out a strong message,
[16:41] Speaker 9: and it's working because even before coming on air with you, Paul,
[16:45] Speaker 9: I wasn't able to do it because of our commitments
[16:47] Speaker 9: here in Algeria. But the BBC are calling, z DF Germany,
[16:50] Speaker 9: NPR America. The world is watching this moment unfold right
[16:55] Speaker 9: in front of us.
[16:56] Speaker 1: Well, thank you for picking us over all of them.
[16:58] Speaker 1: Your little MT's in Australiy for a column now again
[17:02] Speaker 1: as an Irishman again this moment about the Church of
[17:07] Speaker 1: England and the Catholic Church being united in this moment
[17:11] Speaker 1: obviously sits deep for those who like myself and not
[17:14] Speaker 1: across the details of the Catholic faith and its traditions.
[17:18] Speaker 1: We just saw there that Queen Camilla is dressed in
[17:21] Speaker 1: all black as well with a veil. Can you explain
[17:25] Speaker 1: to people why that would be required or is appropriate
[17:29] Speaker 1: at this moment?
[17:31] Speaker 9: Yeah, this would be normal papal protocol when entering the Vatican,
[17:35] Speaker 9: especially when entering somewhere like the Sistine Chapel. Remember the
[17:38] Speaker 9: Cisting Chapel. Everyone thinks, oh, that's in the Vatican Museums,
[17:41] Speaker 9: which technically it is, but the Cisting Chapel also makes
[17:44] Speaker 9: a part of the Apostolic Palace, so that is the
[17:47] Speaker 9: official living quarters of Pope Leo the fourteenth. You'll remember
[17:51] Speaker 9: that Pope Francis he famously said I don't want to
[17:53] Speaker 9: live in the palace. I'm going to stay in a small,
[17:55] Speaker 9: humble apartment. But Pop Leo, after his election, has decided
[17:59] Speaker 9: to move back in. So it is a mark of
[18:01] Speaker 9: respect in humility that you would win modestly addressed and
[18:05] Speaker 9: even you know, going into Saint Peter's Basilica during the summer,
[18:08] Speaker 9: guys in shorts, they're stopped at the door, maybe women
[18:11] Speaker 9: in certain attire, even on a hot day. They're saying, look,
[18:14] Speaker 9: this is a sacred, holy place. You have to dress
[18:17] Speaker 9: accordingly and appropriately. And I just we can't stress. I
[18:21] Speaker 9: was listening to some of the Vatican experts and observers
[18:24] Speaker 9: this morning talking about this, just how significant seeing this
[18:28] Speaker 9: is King Charles and the Pope because many people Paul
[18:31] Speaker 9: that I think it is the Archbishop of Canterbury. We
[18:34] Speaker 9: hear that name a lot, the Archbishop of Canterbury, that
[18:36] Speaker 9: he is the head of the Church of England. That's incorrect.
[18:39] Speaker 9: He is a spiritual guide and maybe the head spiritual figure.
[18:43] Speaker 5: But it is the King.
[18:44] Speaker 9: From King Henry the eighth, he appointed himself as the
[18:47] Speaker 9: supreme authority. So to see again the King and the
[18:50] Speaker 9: Pope side by side praying together. But you can be sure, Paul,
[18:54] Speaker 9: this prayer would have been very sensitively picked. It will
[18:58] Speaker 9: be something that will speak to both sides. The theme
[19:01] Speaker 9: of the prayer service, by the way, is a care
[19:04] Speaker 9: for creation. So they're looking at the things that they
[19:07] Speaker 9: have in common. They won't be getting into deep theological
[19:10] Speaker 9: drifts or anything like that, because they haven't been sorted
[19:12] Speaker 9: for five hundred years. They're not going to be sorted today.
[19:15] Speaker 9: But they'll talk about their shared common values and Christian unity,
[19:19] Speaker 9: and their care for creation and their common planet and
[19:22] Speaker 9: what we see at the moment. By the way, Paul
[19:24] Speaker 9: I can tell you this is the meeting in the
[19:26] Speaker 9: sistin Chapel. We see public of the fourteenth now entering,
[19:29] Speaker 9: but they would have had a private meeting this morning
[19:31] Speaker 9: in his living quarters in the Apostolic Palace. It normally
[19:34] Speaker 9: lasts twenty to thirty minutes. That's away from the cameras.
[19:37] Speaker 9: In fact, when the doors are shut, it's normally the king,
[19:40] Speaker 9: it'll be the Queen and the Pope, and perhaps maybe
[19:43] Speaker 9: the Pope's aid as well, if a translator is needed.
[19:46] Speaker 9: It won't be in this case, but they're the only
[19:47] Speaker 9: ones in the room as well. It's a very private meeting.
[19:50] Speaker 9: So this is beautiful. It is I mean, I know
[19:53] Speaker 9: people use that phrase a lot, they banded around historic.
[19:56] Speaker 9: This truly is five hundred years in the making.
[19:59] Speaker 1: This is historic now. Obviously we're in this window now
[20:02] Speaker 1: as the Pope has walked in. So we may have
[20:05] Speaker 1: a very limited amount of time here, but I just
[20:07] Speaker 1: want to ask why, now, what made this happen? Now
[20:10] Speaker 1: what I mean obviously a whole series of negotiation, but
[20:13] Speaker 1: what brought this moment to us? Now? As you say,
[20:16] Speaker 1: given that there have been other royal visits or thus
[20:20] Speaker 1: the head of the Church of England attending the Vatican
[20:24] Speaker 1: prior to this moment.
[20:26] Speaker 9: That's a great question and we would need the rest
[20:29] Speaker 9: of your show on the rest of the week to
[20:30] Speaker 9: talk about that. But as you can imagine, for something
[20:34] Speaker 9: like this, negotiations would have been going on between the
[20:37] Speaker 9: royal household and the papal household, the Secretary of State
[20:41] Speaker 9: at the Vatican. There are not only religious implications and
[20:46] Speaker 9: spiritual ones, but there are also political implications from a
[20:49] Speaker 9: meeting like this as well. Queen Elizabeth iid God rest her.
[20:53] Speaker 9: There were so many beautiful meetings when she would come
[20:56] Speaker 9: to the Vatican. She first came in nineteen sixty one
[20:59] Speaker 9: as a princess and she went and met a saint,
[21:02] Speaker 9: Pope John Paul the Second, and a number of occasions
[21:04] Speaker 9: she met Pope Benedict the sixteenth and Pope Francis and indeed,
[21:08] Speaker 9: Pope Benedict was the first to go to the United
[21:09] Speaker 9: Kingdom on an official visit to meet the Queen. There
[21:12] Speaker 9: there was a beautiful, warm relationship between the monarch and
[21:15] Speaker 9: the papacy, but this was never able to get over
[21:19] Speaker 9: the line. In fact, it was Pope Francis. This really
[21:22] Speaker 9: was meant to happen with Pope Francis, he was pushing
[21:24] Speaker 9: for this. It was meant to happen earlier this year,
[21:26] Speaker 9: Paul in April, but then, as you and I spoke
[21:29] Speaker 9: at the time, because of his declining health, it had
[21:31] Speaker 9: to be canceled at the last minute, and a poignant
[21:34] Speaker 9: moment just two weeks before he died. Pope Francis in April,
[21:39] Speaker 9: King Charles and Queen Camilla on their twenty wedding anniversary,
[21:42] Speaker 9: they went to Rome and had a short meeting, not
[21:45] Speaker 9: like this. It was in his private apartment to the Vatican.
[21:47] Speaker 9: They met with Pope Francis just before he passed away.
[21:51] Speaker 9: Now they're back with Pope Leo the fourteenth.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Well callum at he's beginning as we spake, So we'll
[21:54] Speaker 1: let you go enjoy your time in Algeria. And this
[21:57] Speaker 1: is just a couple of minutes, we'll take you off
[21:58] Speaker 1: this incredible moment from this Stein Chapel live on Sky News.
[22:03] Speaker 10: And it's somebody serious.
[22:05] Speaker 1: As it's once in the beginning, it's not a shadow.
[22:09] Speaker 11: Be words about talk against a man.
[23:00] Speaker 10: Says time signs song, so.
[23:51] Speaker 12: S t stung.
[24:25] Speaker 10: Songs.
[25:32] Speaker 1: Far be it of me to interrupt the beauty that
[25:35] Speaker 1: is the choir that is performing as part of this
[25:37] Speaker 1: ecumenical service which is reaching out across two of the
[25:42] Speaker 1: great faiths, the Catholic Faith and of course the two
[25:45] Speaker 1: of the great churches, I should say, Christianity being the
[25:47] Speaker 1: faith across the Catholic Church and the Church of England.
[25:52] Speaker 1: This historic moment, as we say, five hundred years in
[25:55] Speaker 1: the making, and as there are more highlights as we
[25:58] Speaker 1: move through the evening, we will show them to you
[26:00] Speaker 1: here on Sky News. More in a moment back to
[26:02] Speaker 1: the Australian News of the day next. Thank you very
[26:10] Speaker 1: much for watching. Megan Kelly coming up a little bit
[26:12] Speaker 1: later in the show, as well as highlights of what
[26:13] Speaker 1: is taking place right now. Also, the great Chris Julman
[26:16] Speaker 1: is going to be joining us on Sunday night, because
[26:18] Speaker 1: don't forget we are going to be in Bill collin Canberra,
[26:20] Speaker 1: the Act. See how it all comes together. We're there
[26:24] Speaker 1: for our town. He's got this great documentary which is
[26:26] Speaker 1: coming up on November the eleventh, fiftieth anniversary of the dismissal.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Joining us now while the events are taking place in Rome,
[26:33] Speaker 1: and no pressure, boys, you're competing against the king and
[26:35] Speaker 1: the Pope Roscadell And you said, wells senator who's joining
[26:38] Speaker 1: us now from Orange and a man who always takes
[26:41] Speaker 1: a deep breath And I just saw it on camera,
[26:44] Speaker 1: is lovely, Joe Hildebrands well here and we've got plenty
[26:47] Speaker 1: to talk about. So lads, let's talk here about the
[26:51] Speaker 1: migration situation right now. I know that the little box
[26:53] Speaker 1: that everyone gets pushed into is to discuss this equally,
[26:57] Speaker 1: it means racism, right. The thing is, if you're off
[27:00] Speaker 1: by about forty thousand people, then there might be a
[27:03] Speaker 1: little bit of a problem with the system when you
[27:05] Speaker 1: turn around and put out your budgets each and every
[27:07] Speaker 1: year making all of its predictions, all the rest of
[27:10] Speaker 1: it here, and if it's because of one sector that
[27:13] Speaker 1: frankly doesn't need the extra forty thousand people. After all,
[27:17] Speaker 1: there are Australians who might be able to fill such places.
[27:21] Speaker 1: But Ross, what do you think he is? Surprise, surprise
[27:24] Speaker 1: missed it by that much, forty thousand or fifteen percent.
[27:30] Speaker 5: It is in competence. It's across every aspect we're seeing
[27:33] Speaker 5: in this government, because it's all about the headline, it's
[27:36] Speaker 5: not about the substance. And so when they get out
[27:38] Speaker 5: there and say this is our migration number, and they
[27:40] Speaker 5: don't even get close, it's in Shearing commondence. It's a
[27:43] Speaker 5: one liner, fee free tafe. But we have one hundred
[27:46] Speaker 5: thousand less apprentices out there working than we had in
[27:48] Speaker 5: this book government, it's putting ten billion dollars to a
[27:51] Speaker 5: Housing Australia Future Fund and building less than one hundred homes.
[27:55] Speaker 5: The performance on the ground doesn't matter as much as
[27:57] Speaker 5: a sound bite. And what we're seeing is a govern
[28:00] Speaker 5: that uses the word races and to cover up them
[28:02] Speaker 5: not keeping up with the services these people need. We're
[28:05] Speaker 5: not building the houses, we're not building the hospitals, we're
[28:07] Speaker 5: not building the roads. And so when people have real
[28:10] Speaker 5: consequences because of this migration, they're labeled as racists. Now
[28:14] Speaker 5: what the consequences people suffering?
[28:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, my apologies, ros. Now we're gonna explain to everyone
[28:18] Speaker 1: why you're in orange and why you're by the side
[28:20] Speaker 1: of the road. There's a reason for all of this.
[28:22] Speaker 1: We'll get to it in the Mamula two time. Lovely
[28:24] Speaker 1: to hear the sounds of Regional Australia playing out live
[28:27] Speaker 1: on the air. Look forward to celebrating it as always
[28:29] Speaker 1: last week end of the month here on Palm Maria
[28:31] Speaker 1: Live with our Town thanks to Harvey Norman Joe. If
[28:34] Speaker 1: the main difference between what was promised and what was
[28:37] Speaker 1: delivered are universities, how do we not have a scenario
[28:41] Speaker 1: to say sorry no to.
[28:44] Speaker 3: These Because when we are importing students for universities, it's
[28:49] Speaker 3: actually an economic export. So we are getting a huge
[28:54] Speaker 3: amount of money. Education I think is our fourth largest
[28:57] Speaker 3: export these days.
[28:59] Speaker 13: It was third recently.
[29:01] Speaker 3: And these people are coming over here, they are spending
[29:04] Speaker 3: huge amounts of money. They are putting money into the
[29:08] Speaker 3: tertiary institutions that would otherwise need tax payer money to
[29:11] Speaker 3: fund the research and the teaching that they do if
[29:14] Speaker 3: they didn't get it from this source. And certainly we
[29:16] Speaker 3: should have a conversation about it. Certainly, no one who
[29:19] Speaker 3: raises concerns should be labeled racist. But this is basically
[29:23] Speaker 3: an export that Australia is doing, and it's an export
[29:27] Speaker 3: obviously that involves bringing people here so we can export
[29:30] Speaker 3: our world class educational institutions to them. In terms of
[29:34] Speaker 3: the housing, you know, these people are often, if not always,
[29:38] Speaker 3: in sharehouse accommodation. There's even been historically reports of hot
[29:43] Speaker 3: bedding where they take turns two students take turns to
[29:46] Speaker 3: share the same bed because of the shortage. So it's
[29:49] Speaker 3: not necessarily taking family homes away from Australians. And again
[29:55] Speaker 3: there is questions about whether or not some institutions are
[29:58] Speaker 3: taking in too many foreign students and whether this is
[30:00] Speaker 3: skewing educational outcomes, and we can have those conversations, but
[30:04] Speaker 3: this is a very specific cohort of migrants who are
[30:08] Speaker 3: delivering a massive economic boost of tens of billions of
[30:13] Speaker 3: dollars into the Australian economy and if we don't take
[30:16] Speaker 3: them then we will have to find that money elsewhere.
[30:19] Speaker 3: And that's why Jason Clair, the Education Minister, increased the
[30:23] Speaker 3: cohort after previously saying it was going to be slashed.
[30:26] Speaker 3: When people and university said if you do this, this
[30:30] Speaker 3: will result in a funding crisis.
[30:32] Speaker 1: Well, perhaps if they're worried about their funding crisis, then
[30:34] Speaker 1: maybe not paying the bosses of each and every university
[30:36] Speaker 1: more than a million dollars you start with saving money
[30:39] Speaker 1: there rather than this situation. Let's get to the Nature
[30:42] Speaker 1: Positive negotiations. Now. We remember that Nature Positive was so
[30:46] Speaker 1: controversial that they had to get rid of it before
[30:48] Speaker 1: the last election. This is when they had a deal
[30:51] Speaker 1: and it was going to get them over the line
[30:53] Speaker 1: with the Greens this time bring it back. The hope
[30:56] Speaker 1: was from the government's perspective they could get the Libs
[30:59] Speaker 1: and the Nats on board. Will surprise, surprise, they're not
[31:01] Speaker 1: going to back it in because they don't like it.
[31:04] Speaker 1: They didn't like it then, they don't like it now,
[31:06] Speaker 1: So it's over to the Greens. Ross explain to normal
[31:09] Speaker 1: people why an EPA with special powers and super fines
[31:14] Speaker 1: and all the rest of it would actually change things
[31:17] Speaker 1: for the worse, because we're going to hear an awful
[31:19] Speaker 1: lot about why it will change things for the better
[31:21] Speaker 1: on almost every other media for the next few weeks.
[31:26] Speaker 5: Look, we had great expectations and great hopes for this
[31:28] Speaker 5: EPBC review because it's not just about the environment, it's
[31:32] Speaker 5: about the balance between development and the environment and what
[31:35] Speaker 5: we're seeing from selective grabs, and certainly Angie Bell has
[31:38] Speaker 5: been negotiating in great faith out there is that no,
[31:41] Speaker 5: this is just nature positive with a different cover. Because
[31:43] Speaker 5: what's going to happen. You're going to have this new
[31:45] Speaker 5: big referee out there being able to crack down hard
[31:48] Speaker 5: on people not to make approvals and these things go faster,
[31:52] Speaker 5: but to actually beat down on people to stop it.
[31:54] Speaker 5: And any development now just can't have no effect. It
[31:57] Speaker 5: has to have a net benefit effect on the environment.
[32:00] Speaker 5: To see companies who really don't want to have any effect,
[32:03] Speaker 5: don't do anything bad, but these things go backwards and
[32:06] Speaker 5: a new umpire that will crack down like never before
[32:09] Speaker 5: on everyone that does the little things bad. That's why
[32:12] Speaker 5: we can't support it as it is. I'd love to
[32:14] Speaker 5: be in a position where we can do a deal
[32:16] Speaker 5: with labor where they come back and have something where
[32:18] Speaker 5: balance comes back into the program, but it's not there
[32:20] Speaker 5: as we've seen it. I look forward to getting down
[32:22] Speaker 5: there next week and seeing what is in the table
[32:24] Speaker 5: and what we can do, because the last thing I
[32:26] Speaker 5: think big business in Australia was to see is the
[32:28] Speaker 5: Greens sidle up to what the new laws look like.
[32:30] Speaker 5: But as it is we cannot support it, but I'm
[32:33] Speaker 5: sure Angie and the team will be getting there trying
[32:34] Speaker 5: to find something we can do.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Joe again, Look, the specifics of the legislation will be
[32:39] Speaker 1: introduced next week into Parliament. There will of course be
[32:41] Speaker 1: quite discussion about it next week. So we have the
[32:44] Speaker 1: chat tonight as the preview of the debate because we
[32:46] Speaker 1: always try to look forward about what's down the road
[32:49] Speaker 1: rather than what everyone's been talking about in the review mirror.
[32:53] Speaker 1: If the Greens are now in the driver's seat, what
[32:56] Speaker 1: does that mean here?
[32:58] Speaker 3: Well, the good news is the Greenstone like it either
[33:00] Speaker 3: and anything the Greens don't like I'm generally in favor of.
[33:05] Speaker 3: The reason why Murray Watt has been put in this
[33:08] Speaker 3: portfolio is because he does have a history of sort
[33:10] Speaker 3: of common sense pragmatism. He's not beholden to a Green
[33:13] Speaker 3: tinge in the city electorate as Tanny Plibersect was, and
[33:16] Speaker 3: as much as I like her, she obviously had one
[33:18] Speaker 3: eye on the fact that she's constantly challenged by the
[33:21] Speaker 3: Greens in her own seat, and that led to a
[33:24] Speaker 3: couple of unfortunate decisions, especially with the mcwillomy's gold Mine
[33:27] Speaker 3: and the famous not famous until recently, Blue Banded b
[33:32] Speaker 3: and Murray Watt has been brought in to stop this
[33:36] Speaker 3: kind of silliness from happening again, and I think he
[33:40] Speaker 3: will do.
[33:41] Speaker 13: A pretty good job.
[33:41] Speaker 3: He's shown the noises he's made so far is that
[33:44] Speaker 3: he's far more pragmatic. He's far more amenable to, you know,
[33:48] Speaker 3: the needs of you know, of big business, of big
[33:51] Speaker 3: industry that we need to keep the economy going. I
[33:54] Speaker 3: don't think it's bad that a minister or an agency
[33:57] Speaker 3: necessarily demands that environmental comes better after a major project.
[34:02] Speaker 3: We already have minds that do massive environmental rehabilitation after
[34:06] Speaker 3: their life cycle, and that's written into their contracts or
[34:10] Speaker 3: their approval, so, you know, until we see something go
[34:14] Speaker 3: terribly wrong and this thing become a sort of kumbaya,
[34:17] Speaker 3: you know Byron Bay Hippie's paradise, which I don't think
[34:21] Speaker 3: it is because they're the ones jumping up and down.
[34:23] Speaker 3: I'm pretty comfortable with it. And I would encourage the
[34:25] Speaker 3: Coalition to work with labor because if they have to
[34:27] Speaker 3: make compromises with the Greens to get it over the line,
[34:30] Speaker 3: then it's going to be even worse for business.
[34:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, just I mean quickly on this ross again because
[34:34] Speaker 1: a couple of other things I want to get to
[34:35] Speaker 1: before we get to Megan Kelly, and again more about
[34:38] Speaker 1: what's happening at the Systeine Chapel. Give me an idea
[34:41] Speaker 1: about an example that you would be concerned about if say,
[34:45] Speaker 1: nature positive this version, that version becomes the eventual way
[34:50] Speaker 1: the system works. Give people who don't get it a
[34:54] Speaker 1: bit of an idea of the type of thing that
[34:56] Speaker 1: seems logical, but this legislation would find a way a
[35:00] Speaker 1: stamp all over it, like it was a campfire that
[35:03] Speaker 1: needed putting out.
[35:05] Speaker 5: Well, the greatest thing is offsets we're talking about. You
[35:07] Speaker 5: go and do a project on your block of land,
[35:10] Speaker 5: and what you've got to do is buy offsets or
[35:12] Speaker 5: for reforestation or by diverse the offsets or this in
[35:15] Speaker 5: another part of land. And what we're seeing across regional Australia,
[35:17] Speaker 5: So I might build my mind, I might build my
[35:20] Speaker 5: projects somewhere. Come out to regional Australia where there's farms,
[35:23] Speaker 5: where there's water, where you can grow stuff, take the
[35:25] Speaker 5: farm off, put trees there, set as an offset in
[35:27] Speaker 5: Australia's food security decreases. That's exactly what happens.
[35:30] Speaker 1: Yes, so that's a good point, right because remember was
[35:33] Speaker 1: the bloke from Channel to Alan Kohler who believes honestly
[35:36] Speaker 1: that huge sections of Australian farming should be replaced with
[35:39] Speaker 1: forests for what purpose? Exactly what Ross just said? All right,
[35:42] Speaker 1: watch this space, all right now, a couple of really
[35:45] Speaker 1: interesting things that popped around in for obvious reasons. With
[35:47] Speaker 1: little kids and kids in primary school, I'm always very
[35:50] Speaker 1: aware of wider stories about education. There's two stories that
[35:54] Speaker 1: are worth talking about here, including a teacher who wrote
[35:56] Speaker 1: an opinion piece today about how tough it is to
[36:01] Speaker 1: be a teacher these days because of all of the
[36:03] Speaker 1: complexities of the kids that are sitting in front of
[36:05] Speaker 1: them and the OsO demanding parents. Now, anyone who's got
[36:09] Speaker 1: kids know sometimes other parents are the most frustrating thing
[36:12] Speaker 1: at times about the school system. But this anonymous teacher
[36:15] Speaker 1: says the whole concept of learning styles has been mostly unhelpful.
[36:19] Speaker 1: Teachers can present material in fifty unique ways, but a
[36:22] Speaker 1: student determined not to learn won't. Instead, they will disrupt
[36:25] Speaker 1: the class, there appears, and inevitably mum will write an
[36:28] Speaker 1: email asking why we haven't tried a fifty first method,
[36:32] Speaker 1: which we also know will fail. Here's the thing, and
[36:35] Speaker 1: it's quite straightforward. Students need to turn up, shut up
[36:38] Speaker 1: and listen to their teacher. They need to bring their
[36:41] Speaker 1: class materials, follow instruction, and have a go of understanding.
[36:45] Speaker 1: I love this straight talk here, Joe. But I also
[36:49] Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of spicy in our classrooms
[36:51] Speaker 1: these days.
[36:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, there absolutely is, and I've seen it firsthand via
[36:56] Speaker 3: my own kid's eyes. And that's actually tradition in terms,
[37:00] Speaker 3: isn't it. But I absolutely love I absolutely love this.
[37:04] Speaker 3: I love teachers. I've done a lot of work in
[37:06] Speaker 3: this area. This teacher is absolutely right. Teachers need to
[37:11] Speaker 3: be backed by their school. They need to be backed
[37:13] Speaker 3: by parents, not argued with by parents. And I remember
[37:17] Speaker 3: with our first child, we took them to a pedetrician
[37:21] Speaker 3: in the Inner West about some issues and the doctor said, yeah,
[37:25] Speaker 3: the hardest part of my job is telling parents that
[37:27] Speaker 3: their child is not gifted. And this, I think is
[37:32] Speaker 3: the problem you have with a lot of parents where
[37:34] Speaker 3: they blame or they think that their little precious little
[37:38] Speaker 3: cherub is the most perfect child in the world, that
[37:41] Speaker 3: they don't have any behavioral issues. It's all the teachers
[37:43] Speaker 3: fault or the school's fault, and that they are some
[37:46] Speaker 3: kind of latent genius.
[37:47] Speaker 13: And it's the fault of the school.
[37:49] Speaker 3: Or the teacher for not recognizing this and bringing it out.
[37:53] Speaker 3: And to be honest, those are the kids who probably
[37:56] Speaker 3: need the least attention. If you've got a parent who
[37:59] Speaker 3: is that all into their kids' education, they're probably going
[38:02] Speaker 3: to be all right. It's the kids whose parents are
[38:05] Speaker 3: disinterested or in other ways, you know, either the neglectful
[38:10] Speaker 3: or just not doing what they should be doing instead
[38:13] Speaker 3: of writing on the teachers all the time. While the
[38:16] Speaker 3: problem and teachers need to be able to identify and
[38:19] Speaker 3: work with those kids. They already have to. That makes
[38:22] Speaker 3: their job hard enough as it is. They've got mountains
[38:24] Speaker 3: of paperwork they have to deal with, and to deal
[38:27] Speaker 3: with parents complaining on top of that is quite frankly unforgivable.
[38:30] Speaker 3: So we need to celebrate them and give them a
[38:33] Speaker 3: make their lives easier.
[38:34] Speaker 1: Good man, thank you very much to you, Joe. As
[38:36] Speaker 1: we saw in the pictures there about the Pope and
[38:40] Speaker 1: the King now going off into private prayer in the
[38:43] Speaker 1: Sistine Chapel, we will return to that a little bit later. Ross,
[38:46] Speaker 1: just before we go, let's talk about the National Field's
[38:49] Speaker 1: Day and the fact that it is in Orange and
[38:52] Speaker 1: that's why you are proudly standing there signed behind and
[38:55] Speaker 1: the trucks are going up and down. What's the National
[38:57] Speaker 1: Field's Day?
[39:00] Speaker 5: So it's another field day where lots of farmers come together,
[39:04] Speaker 5: really big New South Wales farmers contingent and membership. Here, tractors,
[39:08] Speaker 5: we've got animals, we've got all sorts of tools, We've
[39:11] Speaker 5: got everything out here. People coming, lots of government services.
[39:14] Speaker 5: People can come together in one place, get all the
[39:15] Speaker 5: information they want. Really positive thing. There was lots of
[39:18] Speaker 5: sun there today I'm looking a bit reddish. But for
[39:21] Speaker 5: the next three days people will be able to come there,
[39:24] Speaker 5: sort about what they need for the future and really
[39:25] Speaker 5: get some assistants.
[39:26] Speaker 1: A really great thing, good stuff, Thank you so much.
[39:28] Speaker 1: Where is it in Orange? By the way? Obviously show
[39:30] Speaker 1: grounds one would think.
[39:33] Speaker 5: No, No, it's a bit out of town. It's about
[39:35] Speaker 5: fifteen k's out to the west, just a field dedicated
[39:38] Speaker 5: to show days. It's quite big. It's probably i'd say
[39:40] Speaker 5: about fight hectares, everything, big tractors, every massive area. Even
[39:44] Speaker 5: if ferres will.
[39:45] Speaker 1: Oh, good stuff, it's all thrown in there. I do
[39:47] Speaker 1: appreciate it, all right, Lands, You've got fift each to
[39:50] Speaker 1: give me your bumper sticker. Who's your winner, who's your
[39:52] Speaker 1: loser of the week, Joe, who stands out for you?
[39:54] Speaker 1: And yes, you're going to say albow, aren't you?
[39:56] Speaker 13: Of course?
[39:57] Speaker 3: Of course I am even albos most die hard pridics.
[40:00] Speaker 13: I've admitted that the victory in Washington was nothing sort
[40:04] Speaker 13: of a triumph, not a delight in the fat delight.
[40:08] Speaker 3: They can delight in the fact that Trump also gave
[40:10] Speaker 3: Kevin rid at kicking the nuts on the way through,
[40:12] Speaker 3: so he really did deliver something for everyone.
[40:15] Speaker 13: So albow for the winner and run for the loser.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, Ross for you mate.
[40:21] Speaker 5: I hate to agree with Joe on this, but we
[40:23] Speaker 5: said expectations pretty high and here you kicked him out
[40:25] Speaker 5: of the park. And I think it hurts me to say,
[40:28] Speaker 5: but Alba had a great week and what he did
[40:30] Speaker 5: with Trumpy my loser. The coffee shops of regional Australia
[40:34] Speaker 5: out there with Jane saying we can't get a good
[40:36] Speaker 5: coffee in regional Australia. Well, the Bing Street Cafe here
[40:39] Speaker 5: would argue with you and one thing in regional Australia,
[40:42] Speaker 5: when you go get your coffee, you don't get attacked
[40:44] Speaker 5: with a machete.
[40:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, well play return sir, well done, sir, well done, sir.
[40:50] Speaker 1: As in return, I like it, Thank you so much, Ross,
[40:52] Speaker 1: thank you, Joe all right, don't think you can ay
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[41:20] Speaker 1: How are you Rockstar?
[41:21] Speaker 2: I just want to start up by noting that I'm
[41:23] Speaker 2: Wait and I'm street and a woman Just fyi, I'm
[41:28] Speaker 2: wait street sis and a woman that'll come up later.
[41:33] Speaker 1: Just faya really important, and don't forget astronaut as well.
[41:37] Speaker 1: But yes, skin color most important of all. We get
[41:40] Speaker 1: to it in a second. So President Trump wants to
[41:42] Speaker 1: improve the White House. So what's he done. A flag
[41:45] Speaker 1: pole in the front yard, a flag pole in the backyard.
[41:48] Speaker 1: He's turned the Rose Garden, He's put down a patio
[41:52] Speaker 1: so he can have some outdoor barbecues, and now he
[41:54] Speaker 1: wants to build a ballroom. He's paying for all this,
[41:57] Speaker 1: by the way, but the left's brains.
[42:02] Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. I feel like, why didn't we
[42:05] Speaker 2: have a ballroom before? I actually didn't really know that.
[42:08] Speaker 2: I've been to the White House a bunch of times,
[42:09] Speaker 2: but I've never had free rein of the place, so
[42:12] Speaker 2: it's not like you just walk around and check out
[42:14] Speaker 2: every single room. But yeah, there's no ballroom, which is weird,
[42:17] Speaker 2: Like it's where the president entertains and hosts state dinners
[42:21] Speaker 2: and so on. Like, why wouldn't you have a ballroom
[42:23] Speaker 2: where you could have a band, you could have dancing,
[42:25] Speaker 2: you could have a large number of people there for
[42:27] Speaker 2: some sort of a ceremony. I mean, it makes perfect
[42:29] Speaker 2: sense to me. And having just gone to the Rose Garden,
[42:33] Speaker 2: the newly revamped Rose Garden, I was there less than
[42:36] Speaker 2: two weeks ago. It was stunning. It was absolutely beautiful
[42:39] Speaker 2: what he did out there. And you know people are like,
[42:41] Speaker 2: but the roses, well, who cares about the roses. There
[42:43] Speaker 2: are a lot of flowers on the White House grounds.
[42:45] Speaker 2: They don't have to be in that particular spot. That
[42:47] Speaker 2: spot is right sort of ensconced in the middle of
[42:50] Speaker 2: the White House itself, so you've got, you know, actual
[42:52] Speaker 2: White House walls on two sides of you, and then
[42:55] Speaker 2: two sides of open air. And he just put down
[42:58] Speaker 2: a patio, a very nice, classically done patio where the
[43:02] Speaker 2: president can stand outside and host. This week it was
[43:05] Speaker 2: a Senate meeting. Last week it was the Presidential Medal
[43:07] Speaker 2: of Freedom for Charlie Kirk. And it's an absolutely stunning
[43:11] Speaker 2: spot with the sun beaming down on you. This is
[43:13] Speaker 2: a spot a president would actually now use, unlike the
[43:18] Speaker 2: Rose Garden, which is like you might be able to
[43:20] Speaker 2: take a look at it from inside, but you wouldn't. Like,
[43:22] Speaker 2: there's not a ton of footage of presidents going out
[43:25] Speaker 2: walking around the Rose Garden unless they were looking to
[43:27] Speaker 2: make a photo op. So this is much more functional
[43:30] Speaker 2: and gorgeous and opens up the White House and yet
[43:32] Speaker 2: another way to a bunch more people. So look, they
[43:36] Speaker 2: didn't complain when Obama did his not only his basketball
[43:40] Speaker 2: court that he added, but he did some four year
[43:42] Speaker 2: reno to the White House that cost something like three
[43:45] Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million dollars. During his first term, President
[43:49] Speaker 2: taft redid the entire White House. It was like a
[43:52] Speaker 2: gut rehab from the inside out. We've had the bowling
[43:55] Speaker 2: alley was put in by a former president. All these
[43:57] Speaker 2: things have been added. It's just when Trump wants to
[44:00] Speaker 2: add one room a ballroom, people decide to melt down
[44:03] Speaker 2: because they can't stand him. It's their TVs. I guarantee
[44:06] Speaker 2: you the next president will not tear down the ballroom,
[44:09] Speaker 2: even though some lunatics are already saying we should do that,
[44:12] Speaker 2: we can tear it. Why would you tear down a
[44:14] Speaker 2: positive addition that actually could make the place super functional
[44:17] Speaker 2: for every president from here forward.
[44:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. They want to pretend that Trump
[44:22] Speaker 1: is a historical aberration, and what is doing their heads
[44:26] Speaker 1: in is that there is going to be physical reminders
[44:29] Speaker 1: that he is a historic president, somebody who changed the
[44:32] Speaker 1: country good or bad your opinion, but certainly changed modern
[44:36] Speaker 1: politics and therefore the White House as well. And speaking
[44:39] Speaker 1: about white houses, can we speak about the former Joe
[44:42] Speaker 1: Biden Press Secretary Carine Jean Pierre. She was a terrible
[44:47] Speaker 1: White House spokesperson. She had to read all of the time.
[44:50] Speaker 1: But now she's got a book out, she's promoting it,
[44:52] Speaker 1: and she's not a Democrat anymore. She's independent.
[44:57] Speaker 2: All she is saying in these interviews is I'm black
[45:00] Speaker 2: and I'm queer. I'm black, I'm a black woman, and
[45:04] Speaker 2: I'm queer too. Queer. She keeps mentioning that, like, why
[45:07] Speaker 2: do you what lesbian? She just keeps calling herself queer.
[45:10] Speaker 2: It's weird. What is that?
[45:11] Speaker 13: Like?
[45:11] Speaker 2: Isn't queer for the sort of like mildly undecided. I
[45:14] Speaker 2: don't even know what it is. It's an unnecessary letter.
[45:16] Speaker 2: LGB we all get that they're divorced from the QT
[45:20] Speaker 2: because those things have totally different agendas. LGB we get,
[45:23] Speaker 2: I think she's l Why doesn't she just say she's
[45:26] Speaker 2: l Why does she have to put the Q in there? Queer?
[45:29] Speaker 2: And by the way, the LGBTQ community will tell you
[45:31] Speaker 2: that the queen the Q also stands for queer and questioning. Now,
[45:35] Speaker 2: either of which should get its own letter. So she
[45:37] Speaker 2: really wants you to know that she's black and she's
[45:39] Speaker 2: queer and also an immigrant, and she's the trifecta. And
[45:43] Speaker 2: of course we're all sitting back here like we know,
[45:47] Speaker 2: we know, and we're white and we're blonde, and we're
[45:51] Speaker 2: women and we're men, like we just don't all run
[45:53] Speaker 2: around talking about it all the time. This is the
[45:55] Speaker 2: least interesting stuff about us. But it's the only thing
[46:00] Speaker 2: she's got to offer for herself. That's, of course the
[46:03] Speaker 2: reason she was offered this position. We all know that.
[46:05] Speaker 2: It's the reason Kamala Harris was offered the vice presidential role.
[46:08] Speaker 2: It's the reason Katanji Brown Jackson is on the US
[46:10] Speaker 2: Supreme Court. It's humiliating. You should be humiliated about that
[46:14] Speaker 2: fact that that's the reason. If I were in her position,
[46:17] Speaker 2: I'd be downplayed. I'd be never mentioning it again. I'd
[46:20] Speaker 2: be talking about I don't know where I went to
[46:21] Speaker 2: college or what interesting thing I did in the White House.
[46:24] Speaker 2: But she's so proud to tell you how black she
[46:28] Speaker 2: is and how queer she is because she realizes with
[46:30] Speaker 2: her half of the aisle, it's real currency. It actually
[46:34] Speaker 2: will get people to jenieflect in front of her and
[46:37] Speaker 2: bend the knee. That's how pathetic they all are now.
[46:41] Speaker 2: On the subject of the book, she's still a lying
[46:44] Speaker 2: liar who lies. She calls herself an independent. Why she's
[46:48] Speaker 2: very mad at the Democrat Party for not backing Joe
[46:51] Speaker 2: Biden all the way through to the presidential election. What
[46:55] Speaker 2: a farce. She was part of the cover up. She
[46:57] Speaker 2: knows Dan well, he couldn't have done it. She was
[46:59] Speaker 2: part of the reason that they had to scramble to
[47:01] Speaker 2: replace him in June July of twenty twenty four. But
[47:05] Speaker 2: the lying as she's promoting this book about how she
[47:08] Speaker 2: had no idea, she didn't see him on the plane
[47:10] Speaker 2: ride over to the debate, so she just wasn't near him,
[47:13] Speaker 2: as if it was just a one night thing and
[47:14] Speaker 2: she just missed it in the lead up. And then secondly,
[47:18] Speaker 2: she's getting guff from Democrats for being such a turncoat.
[47:21] Speaker 2: And the subtitle of the book is it's independent that
[47:24] Speaker 2: insiders look at the White House. So people are giving
[47:28] Speaker 2: her a hard time, like, you're such a turncoat. The
[47:29] Speaker 2: Democrat Party made you. The only reason people know your
[47:32] Speaker 2: name is because of this party. You're ripping on why
[47:34] Speaker 2: would you betray like the Bidens too by giving the
[47:37] Speaker 2: insiders account of the White House, And she actually is
[47:41] Speaker 2: peddling the lie that she's talking about the Trump White House.
[47:46] Speaker 2: That's how dumb she is, Paul.
[47:48] Speaker 1: She's so dumb.
[47:50] Speaker 2: It's like when your kid comes downstairs with the blanket
[47:53] Speaker 2: over his head and he thinks, because he can't see you,
[47:56] Speaker 2: you can't see him, and you all play along. I mean,
[47:59] Speaker 2: that's fine when too, But this woman is a grown
[48:02] Speaker 2: adult and she actually is too stupid to realize we
[48:06] Speaker 2: all know that's a lie. What do you mean why
[48:09] Speaker 2: would you subtitle your book and insiders look at the
[48:12] Speaker 2: Trump White House, which, by the way, makes no sense
[48:16] Speaker 2: because you have no insider's perspective on that whatsoever. So
[48:20] Speaker 2: I don't know who's buying this book, Probably not many people.
[48:23] Speaker 2: And I guess my only thought on it is it's
[48:26] Speaker 2: been good for the laughs on the identity politics reminder.
[48:31] Speaker 1: Very much. I also speaking about the United States, there
[48:33] Speaker 1: was the Mayor World Debate today, and it looks like
[48:36] Speaker 1: that Zorin Bluke is going to absolutely briand up. The
[48:39] Speaker 1: next mayor of the Great City of New York City
[48:42] Speaker 1: is going to be a democratic socialist who believes when
[48:47] Speaker 1: you call Nan monjoan, you should get a counselor not
[48:49] Speaker 1: a call. Crisi Mornessy, thank you so much for watching
[48:56] Speaker 1: this way Taka's guy Yankees. Enjoy, by the way, the
[49:00] Speaker 1: Baseball World Series. It's over there on Fox Sports. Enjoy,
[49:02] Speaker 1: of course, the Supercars. If you happen to be anywhere
[49:04] Speaker 1: near the Gold Coast, and if you're anywhere near Canberra,
[49:07] Speaker 1: make sure that you send us an email and turn
[49:08] Speaker 1: up to our town Sunday night. We'll see you then.

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