# Paul Murray Live | 26 May

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 26 May 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/86c2c144-9c68-43d3-a335-b45600d04e61/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Older Aussies penalised under Labor, the latest cohort of ISIS brides return to Australia. Plus, the Australian Federal Police is still investigating Pauline Hanson. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you,
[0:07] Speaker 1: Sherry hell I mate, come on into the man cap.
[0:08] Speaker 1: We've have an awful lot to do tonight. It is
[0:10] Speaker 1: also no sooks, no lefties, cannot wait for tonight show.
[0:14] Speaker 1: We've an awful lot to get to But first we
[0:16] Speaker 1: know this government lies. Doesn't like that word being confronted
[0:21] Speaker 1: in the Parliament. But of course they lied when it
[0:23] Speaker 1: came to negative gearing changes. Oh, we won't do it
[0:25] Speaker 1: fifty times, but it's happening anyway. Of course they lie
[0:30] Speaker 1: about capital gains tax changes, which means up to forty
[0:33] Speaker 1: seven percent of the business that you may will own
[0:35] Speaker 1: or dream of owning one day you'll have to give
[0:38] Speaker 1: over to the government when you sell it. Of course,
[0:41] Speaker 1: he lied about having a Royal Commission, or at least
[0:43] Speaker 1: a proper inquiry into everything that went wrong when it
[0:47] Speaker 1: came to COVID. He has lied when it comes to
[0:52] Speaker 1: a transparent government. In fact, they are one of the
[0:56] Speaker 1: worst of recent years. Less than twenty percent of every
[1:02] Speaker 1: freedom of information document is actually are currently being passed
[1:06] Speaker 1: over in part or in full. And of course he
[1:09] Speaker 1: definitely didn't fall off the stage during the last federal
[1:12] Speaker 1: election campaign. It's worth mentioning every night because it happens
[1:18] Speaker 1: every day. Well, today we got another lie, a new lie.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Now this one is even as extraordinary as all of
[1:29] Speaker 1: the other ones that I have mentioned, But it is
[1:31] Speaker 1: particularly nasty because it affects people over the age of
[1:34] Speaker 1: sixty five and their private health insurance. Now, when Mark Butler,
[1:38] Speaker 1: seen here, addressed the National Press Club just a few
[1:41] Speaker 1: weeks ago, they announced that a rebate would start to
[1:46] Speaker 1: disappear for people over the age of sixty five, and
[1:48] Speaker 1: their private health insurance would go up by as much
[1:51] Speaker 1: as fifteen hundred dollars. Again, I'm not making it up.
[1:54] Speaker 1: His the news.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Personal care like showering, dressing and continence will now be
[2:01] Speaker 2: fully funded. Other services such as cleaning, gardening and transport
[2:05] Speaker 2: will still come at a cost, so promising three billion
[2:07] Speaker 2: dollars to deliver an extra five thousand aged care beds
[2:10] Speaker 2: a year and two hundred million dollars for dementia care.
[2:14] Speaker 2: To pay for the changes, the government will reduce the
[2:16] Speaker 2: private health rebate for people over the age of sixty five,
[2:20] Speaker 2: bringing it in line with the rest of the population,
[2:23] Speaker 2: with warnings premiums will rise.
[2:26] Speaker 1: So premiums are going to rise by up to fifteen
[2:29] Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Now, far right wing parties and their allies
[2:34] Speaker 1: like Choice, the Consumers Association, well, they pointed out this problem.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Far right wing groups like National Seniors had pointed out
[2:42] Speaker 1: this issue, and today there was a question asked about
[2:49] Speaker 1: this issue and people over the age of sixty five
[2:51] Speaker 1: who are now going to have to remember many of
[2:53] Speaker 1: these people not working have to find the extra fifteen
[2:56] Speaker 1: hundred dollars to keep their private health insurance up because
[2:59] Speaker 1: if they don't keep a private health insurance up, then
[3:01] Speaker 1: they joined the queue at public hospitals. Here's the question.
[3:06] Speaker 3: My question is to the Prime Minister Labour's budget have
[3:09] Speaker 3: broken promises and higher taxes will cost my constituents Ross
[3:13] Speaker 3: and Cynthia hundreds of dollars per year because of changes
[3:16] Speaker 3: to private health insurance. Cynthia is recovering from breast cancer.
[3:21] Speaker 3: Yesterday the Prime Minister said it was time to be honest.
[3:25] Speaker 3: Will the Prime Minister answer Cynthia and Ross's question? Why
[3:29] Speaker 3: does the Prime Minister want to continue to push us
[3:32] Speaker 3: by removing the rebate?
[3:34] Speaker 1: We desperately need Consumers Association, Choice, National Seniors, The News
[3:40] Speaker 1: and the government themselves announcing that a rebate that has
[3:44] Speaker 1: been to this point there for people over the age
[3:46] Speaker 1: of sixty five is being taken away. The example is
[3:49] Speaker 1: given in Parliament. The question couldn't be clearer. But this
[3:52] Speaker 1: Prime Minister, well he just loves lying, doesn't he. Prime Minister?
[3:57] Speaker 1: Thank you, mister speaker.
[3:58] Speaker 4: No one is removing the rev The premise of the
[4:02] Speaker 4: question is completely wrong and what is not appropriate is
[4:07] Speaker 4: the coming here and you spread this sort of information
[4:11] Speaker 4: through the Parliament of Australia.
[4:14] Speaker 1: Now the look at the MP's faces. Are you seriously
[4:17] Speaker 1: going to claim that what you have announced, what has
[4:20] Speaker 1: been reported, what has been reacted to, that is a
[4:23] Speaker 1: reduction in the rebate, thus an increase in the amount
[4:27] Speaker 1: that people over the age of sixty five will have
[4:28] Speaker 1: to pay to maintain private health insurance. You are now
[4:33] Speaker 1: saying doesn't exist. That's a lie. Oh, because of the
[4:38] Speaker 1: premise of the question and the exact language of what
[4:41] Speaker 1: a word game. All of this is this sort of
[4:44] Speaker 1: bush lawyer stuff. And by the way, just to drive
[4:48] Speaker 1: home the number of people who have been spreading this
[4:50] Speaker 1: misinformation and lie, well it would be the ABC because
[4:53] Speaker 1: more than three minion in Australians over sixty five to
[4:56] Speaker 1: pay more for private health. That was the report from
[5:00] Speaker 1: the speech from the announcement that has been reported in
[5:02] Speaker 1: the news, responded to by the Senior's Association, the Consumer Association.
[5:08] Speaker 1: But the Prime Minister says, who, no, we're not lies.
[5:15] Speaker 1: Now it is two weeks the night since the federal
[5:18] Speaker 1: budget was released. Now, I know a week is a
[5:20] Speaker 1: long time and politics and a fortnite can sometimes feel
[5:23] Speaker 1: like an entire year. But it's only been two weeks.
[5:26] Speaker 1: And remember the rage that has been burning for the
[5:29] Speaker 1: past couple of weeks about the lies in and around
[5:33] Speaker 1: Texas that they definitely promise they weren't going to put
[5:34] Speaker 1: in place, but they're putting in place anyway that they
[5:36] Speaker 1: are pretending he is going to be able to get
[5:38] Speaker 1: anyone who wants to get their first home their first home,
[5:41] Speaker 1: even though the problem for the first time isn't the tax,
[5:44] Speaker 1: it's the amount that you would need for a deposit.
[5:46] Speaker 1: The reaction we have shown you comes from forty businesses
[5:49] Speaker 1: of millennial entrepreneurs, female business founders who've been lashing the
[5:54] Speaker 1: capital gains tax. But the Prime Minister is doubling down
[6:00] Speaker 1: that you do not have genuine and authentic concerns. You
[6:04] Speaker 1: are part of a right wing conspiracy, the.
[6:07] Speaker 4: Red trick of the three right wing parties and their allies.
[6:12] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Now, business itself senses an opportunity where because
[6:17] Speaker 1: of how unpopular these things are, particularly with young people,
[6:20] Speaker 1: particularly with female business entrepreneurs, even with comedians who have
[6:25] Speaker 1: previously said that they had voted labor, that the tenor
[6:28] Speaker 1: of the lie was enough for something to be dealt with. Well.
[6:31] Speaker 1: Andrew mckeller, who is from the Australian Consumer that the
[6:36] Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce said, we are concerned carveouts here would
[6:42] Speaker 1: be wholly inadequate. We need a complete reset. There is
[6:44] Speaker 1: no need to introduce legislation this damaging to business and
[6:48] Speaker 1: rush it through the Parliament. Why because it's all happening
[6:50] Speaker 1: on Thursday. He wants there to be a proper negotiation.
[6:54] Speaker 1: There is no need for remember when all of this
[6:56] Speaker 1: kicks in July one, twenty twenty seven, that anything needs
[6:59] Speaker 1: to be happening with that solute urgency today. But because
[7:02] Speaker 1: of course a budget is a money bill, they want
[7:05] Speaker 1: to get that done by the thirtieth of June. They're
[7:07] Speaker 1: pretending that it's incredibly urgent that all of it must
[7:09] Speaker 1: be passed. It creates a devil of a political problem
[7:12] Speaker 1: for the Liberal Party where obviously they'll try to split
[7:15] Speaker 1: up the bill. The government has the numbers to not
[7:18] Speaker 1: be the case. And because you want to stop the
[7:21] Speaker 1: negative gearing changes because you think that distorts the property
[7:24] Speaker 1: market or at least is not really going to help
[7:26] Speaker 1: young people or the small business taxes, well, of course
[7:29] Speaker 1: you're really voting against tax cuts, the tax cuts that,
[7:33] Speaker 1: by the way, don't kick in until again July one,
[7:35] Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, and are sixty eight cents a day.
[7:42] Speaker 1: But remember the memes. These memes were incredibly powerful in
[7:47] Speaker 1: the first week after the budget, but just two weeks
[7:51] Speaker 1: after the budget they have kind of disappeared. The campaigns
[7:55] Speaker 1: have moved into media coverage. But the reality is to
[7:58] Speaker 1: actually move people, you need to do what you were
[8:02] Speaker 1: doing in the days after the budget. In the weeks
[8:05] Speaker 1: after the budget, tumbleweeds is not good enough. If you
[8:10] Speaker 1: want to keep the pressure up on this government, on
[8:12] Speaker 1: this mob, then you need to do what you did
[8:14] Speaker 1: yesterday twice as much tomorrow and three times as much
[8:17] Speaker 1: the day after that. But of course there are plenty
[8:21] Speaker 1: of friends inside the establishment who want to pretend that
[8:23] Speaker 1: the rage is not real, that there is not a
[8:26] Speaker 1: single person in small business who doesn't like the idea
[8:29] Speaker 1: of government taking up to forty seven percent of what
[8:33] Speaker 1: you have built when it is time to sell it.
[8:36] Speaker 1: This was last night on the ABC, where essentially there
[8:39] Speaker 1: is no opposition whatsoever because it's all technically linked back
[8:43] Speaker 1: to the far right.
[8:46] Speaker 5: A clever campaign that began six days earlier entrepreneurs Frank
[8:51] Speaker 5: Grief and Julian Fayad, a former candidate for Clive Palmer's party,
[8:56] Speaker 5: turning ai elbows into unwanted business pastners.
[9:01] Speaker 1: Okay, now, the former candidate for Clobe Palmer's party may
[9:04] Speaker 1: will have started, but how many people, how many dozens
[9:08] Speaker 1: and hundreds of businesses because they didn't want to happen
[9:12] Speaker 1: to them what they know happened in this budget. The
[9:15] Speaker 1: government never turned around and said no, that's not happening.
[9:19] Speaker 1: They just will well hang out. It's not for everyone,
[9:20] Speaker 1: and it's only for the upper loom. And of course
[9:22] Speaker 1: anyone who has a business, has a small business, even
[9:26] Speaker 1: has an ABN, has a dream that somehow, through hard work,
[9:30] Speaker 1: hard graft risk, that they will eventually get to a
[9:34] Speaker 1: place where yes, they may well pass through thirty percent
[9:37] Speaker 1: and get towards forty seven percent because they've built something
[9:40] Speaker 1: that would actually attach that much value. Meantime, we see
[9:46] Speaker 1: today that business confidence is going through the floor, particularly
[9:50] Speaker 1: in New South Wales, but New South Wales as a harbinger,
[9:53] Speaker 1: of course, for the rest of the country. According to
[9:56] Speaker 1: this information, today, business owners confidence in their own prosper
[10:00] Speaker 1: fell by eight percent across April compared to a month
[10:03] Speaker 1: before just fourteen percent. Business owners are confident about their future.
[10:09] Speaker 1: Now again the government says, who cares why? Because it's
[10:12] Speaker 1: all about the triangle of dependence where you have to
[10:15] Speaker 1: work for the government, you get welfare from the government.
[10:17] Speaker 1: If you are a business, you're just in service of
[10:19] Speaker 1: the government. But last time I checked, one hundred and
[10:21] Speaker 1: fifty b for billion dollars comes to the federal government
[10:25] Speaker 1: to pay for at least two of those three triangle
[10:29] Speaker 1: corners that create a permanent majority for the Labor Party
[10:34] Speaker 1: comes from a business taxes. So it matters here that
[10:39] Speaker 1: business confidence through the floor. Oh and again this is
[10:43] Speaker 1: just far right wing talking points. Of course, it comes
[10:45] Speaker 1: from the people who always criticize what about from the
[10:48] Speaker 1: Australian Bureau Statistics today. You don't have to see the numbers,
[10:53] Speaker 1: just understand the colors. Wholesale trade, construction, manufacturing, mining, healthcare, where,
[11:00] Speaker 1: arts and recreation services have all reported a decrease in
[11:05] Speaker 1: expected revenue in the past few weeks. Less money coming
[11:10] Speaker 1: through the door, meaning potentially, of course, less tax that
[11:13] Speaker 1: goes back to Canberra. But the less money that's coming
[11:17] Speaker 1: through the door, well more money is going out in agriculture,
[11:23] Speaker 1: retail trade, wholesale trade, arts and recreation services, education, healthcare,
[11:32] Speaker 1: even real estate services. All of their costs have increased
[11:36] Speaker 1: in the past four weeks. Business confidence through the floor.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Because the costs go up the revenue goes down. The
[11:45] Speaker 1: government should be worried because that means at some point
[11:48] Speaker 1: their collection of the take that is one hundred and
[11:51] Speaker 1: fifty b for billion dollars in the federal budget. Well,
[11:55] Speaker 1: of course it all disappears. But do these people care
[11:58] Speaker 1: no why they've never run a bus business. Remember the
[12:01] Speaker 1: Prime Minister's only experience in the private sector was working
[12:03] Speaker 1: as a bank teller in the eighties for one year. He,
[12:08] Speaker 1: of course, regardless of what he does to the country,
[12:10] Speaker 1: gets a pay rise because you know, it's a completely
[12:12] Speaker 1: independent body. All of the ministers they get a pay
[12:15] Speaker 1: rise because it's completely independent body. They've got four of
[12:18] Speaker 1: them since twenty twenty two. In small business, have you
[12:22] Speaker 1: given yourself a pay rise any time recently? Have you
[12:25] Speaker 1: been able to give the pay rise to the workers
[12:27] Speaker 1: there was anything other than what was demanded by decisions
[12:32] Speaker 1: that were made by Fair Work Australia, of course not.
[12:34] Speaker 1: But you know, surplus to requirement. By design, they are
[12:39] Speaker 1: changing the country by design. They are creating a permanent majority,
[12:46] Speaker 1: because if you get the welfare, or you work for
[12:48] Speaker 1: the government or the biggest customer of the government, then
[12:51] Speaker 1: you are in the triangle and you will never rock
[12:53] Speaker 1: the boat, and labor will be in charge forever. It
[12:56] Speaker 1: is happening before our eyes. You can fight it us
[13:00] Speaker 1: fight it. Just because you were pissed off on budget
[13:02] Speaker 1: night does not mean you should not still be a
[13:04] Speaker 1: week later, two weeks later, three weeks later, four weeks later.
[13:07] Speaker 1: Maintain the rage. Tonight more of the isis brides or
[13:13] Speaker 1: as I saw referred to tonight, I think by the
[13:14] Speaker 1: Victoria Police Syrian returning women or women returning from Syria.
[13:22] Speaker 1: Well they have returned, I should stress. Nobody here has
[13:25] Speaker 1: been charged with any such offenses. Now there was a
[13:30] Speaker 1: bit of a push and sharp because of course there
[13:32] Speaker 1: was no special side door here instead, as some had
[13:36] Speaker 1: to make their way through the normal process where they
[13:38] Speaker 1: were met by supporters and the media trying to ask
[13:42] Speaker 1: a question. But that wasn't going to happen. Stay classy,
[13:55] Speaker 1: of course, the Prime Minister trying to distract from the
[13:58] Speaker 1: failures of his own budget two weeks, assuming that people
[14:01] Speaker 1: will kind of be angry for a day and then
[14:02] Speaker 1: they won't really notice. The legislation will get passed the
[14:05] Speaker 1: day after origin, the day before a weekend, a weekend
[14:08] Speaker 1: before a long weekend for big parts of the country.
[14:11] Speaker 1: It'll just be too late to fight it. And that's
[14:13] Speaker 1: just the way it is, and you'll wake up in
[14:15] Speaker 1: a year's time. This is their bet. Their bet is
[14:17] Speaker 1: you don't care. Their bet is that you will forget.
[14:19] Speaker 1: And the bet is that those who do keep remembering, well,
[14:22] Speaker 1: they can be written off as people who used to
[14:24] Speaker 1: run for Clive Palmer. As if somehow that means you
[14:26] Speaker 1: have no right to a political opinion, You have no
[14:30] Speaker 1: right to be able to offer resistance to a government
[14:33] Speaker 1: that you know is doing terrible things to the country.
[14:38] Speaker 1: So the Prime Minister just thinking everyone has moved along,
[14:41] Speaker 1: he is going back to where he was the last
[14:43] Speaker 1: time the ISIS brides came back into the country. Sure
[14:46] Speaker 1: they didn't fly them back into the country, but who
[14:48] Speaker 1: gave them the passports?
[14:51] Speaker 4: I have nothing but contempt for anyone who has any
[14:55] Speaker 4: sympathy for ISIS as. I would hope everyone in this
[14:59] Speaker 4: chamber will agree the government has provided no assistance for
[15:03] Speaker 4: these people.
[15:06] Speaker 1: But again, there was thirty five passports that somehow magically
[15:11] Speaker 1: just left Australia. They didn't go to a consulate or
[15:14] Speaker 1: an embassy. They went to a friend of Tony Burke,
[15:17] Speaker 1: a campaigner for Tony Burke, who put him in his
[15:19] Speaker 1: hot little hand and took them to the refugee camp.
[15:22] Speaker 1: Oh but we did nothing to help meantime, this was
[15:27] Speaker 1: what we were being told by the Federal Police as
[15:30] Speaker 1: part of the process for anyone who had been in
[15:33] Speaker 1: ISIS controlled areas for a long period of time.
[15:38] Speaker 6: Children who return in the cohort will be asked to
[15:41] Speaker 6: undergo community integration programs, therapeutic support and countering violent extremism programs.
[15:49] Speaker 1: But you may have missed this. That's not really going
[15:52] Speaker 1: to happen. According to The Sunday Telegraph couple of weekends ago.
[15:56] Speaker 1: In a bizarre development, they have been told by government
[16:00] Speaker 1: sources that the seven remaining isis link to Australian women
[16:04] Speaker 1: likely to attempt to return home in coming months, will
[16:07] Speaker 1: not have to undertake counter terrorism or violent extrudeness in
[16:11] Speaker 1: program if no charges have been laid. No charges have
[16:14] Speaker 1: been laid at this time. There is no suggestion of
[16:18] Speaker 1: criminality at this time. The Home Affairs Minister says that
[16:22] Speaker 1: it is or sorry. The Shadow Home Affairs Minister says
[16:28] Speaker 1: that if it is an option to participate in deradicalization programs,
[16:32] Speaker 1: it is beyond ludicrous. Anyone who chose isis over Australia
[16:35] Speaker 1: fullfits the benefit of the doubt. Yet you'd think so right.
[16:39] Speaker 1: The AFP says that that's what is apparently going to
[16:42] Speaker 1: be the focus, but apparently doesn't really apply unless, of
[16:45] Speaker 1: course you are charged. But we're not finished talking about
[16:49] Speaker 1: the Australian Federal Police. Big reaction to our conversation with
[16:54] Speaker 1: paul En Hanson last night, where she pushed back against
[16:57] Speaker 1: the nonsense of the ABC and their obvious bias. She
[17:00] Speaker 1: also talked about the opinion polls and about what they
[17:03] Speaker 1: can do between turning those poles into reality like they
[17:06] Speaker 1: did with of course Farah. Full conversation up at skynews
[17:09] Speaker 1: dot com dot Au. You may recall a few weeks
[17:11] Speaker 1: ago when some pearl clutching people decided it's all over
[17:15] Speaker 1: because she made a comment about there being no good Muslims.
[17:18] Speaker 1: Of course, the opinion polls, no change whatsoever. Well, all
[17:22] Speaker 1: of this ended up getting referred to the Federal Police
[17:25] Speaker 1: because there are new hate laws in place, and perhaps
[17:27] Speaker 1: the senator has broken the law because she didn't do
[17:29] Speaker 1: this inside the parliament, she did on television and therefore
[17:33] Speaker 1: there's a chance she could be charged. Now this was
[17:37] Speaker 1: what February of this year. Well we learned that the
[17:41] Speaker 1: Federal Police is still investigating, still investigating. Great story today
[17:50] Speaker 1: from the team at skyn news dot com do Au.
[17:52] Speaker 1: The Australian Federal Police is still assessing Pauline Hanson's Muslim
[17:55] Speaker 1: comments three months after the saga. The Federal Police is
[17:59] Speaker 1: not ruled out taking action against Pauline Hanson three months
[18:02] Speaker 1: after confirming an inquiry into her comments about Muslims. An
[18:05] Speaker 1: AFP spokesman she's ad sexist spokesperson spokes They then has
[18:12] Speaker 1: told scott News dot com that are you the matter
[18:15] Speaker 1: remained under investigation despite three months passing since the remark
[18:18] Speaker 1: was made. Further comment will be made at an appropriate time.
[18:23] Speaker 1: The AP is aware of the comments made by Senator Hanson.
[18:26] Speaker 1: The AFP has received reports of crime in relation to
[18:30] Speaker 1: this matter. Now what's going on here? Either things have
[18:39] Speaker 1: met the threshold and then presumably a legal proceeding does begin,
[18:42] Speaker 1: but most likely things have not, which is why a
[18:45] Speaker 1: case has not been made. Charges have not been laid.
[18:47] Speaker 1: But to those rampant lefties who somehow think some other
[18:52] Speaker 1: court proceeding is finally going to kill off Pauline Hansen,
[18:57] Speaker 1: you do know how the American people reacted when Donald
[19:01] Speaker 1: Trump was dragged through the system of the New York courts.
[19:05] Speaker 1: You do know that the people who support Pauline Hanson
[19:09] Speaker 1: remember what happened to her when she was sent to
[19:14] Speaker 1: jail previously before everything was quashed. They also remember the
[19:19] Speaker 1: people who were behind said prosecution. If you think you
[19:25] Speaker 1: are going to wipe Pauline Hanson off the political map
[19:29] Speaker 1: by trying to criminalize what she said months ago, or
[19:35] Speaker 1: good luck, the AFP should have tossed this as soon
[19:41] Speaker 1: as it was sent their way. The idea that they
[19:44] Speaker 1: are still verstegirding after three months does not fill me
[19:49] Speaker 1: with great confidence in either direction about which way this
[19:52] Speaker 1: thing is going to go. But again for those who
[19:54] Speaker 1: think finally, aha, the final cut that will bring down Hansen,
[20:01] Speaker 1: I don't think so now. Under a theme that I'd
[20:06] Speaker 1: like to say, stay classy Labor. In the past couple
[20:09] Speaker 1: of days there have been stories about Bridget McKenzie, the
[20:12] Speaker 1: Nationals senator, and appearances at her son's wedding and also
[20:16] Speaker 1: an engagement party and whether or not the taxpayer paid
[20:22] Speaker 1: for the travel to be there. Now she has said
[20:24] Speaker 1: very clearly here that in February twenty twenty three the
[20:27] Speaker 1: flight accommodation to lone system was undertaken in accordance with
[20:29] Speaker 1: parliamentary rules and as part of a multi state campaign
[20:32] Speaker 1: to expose Labour's budget cuts to infrastructure. But the reason
[20:36] Speaker 1: this story has gone no further than those that are
[20:39] Speaker 1: writing about it in this the early days is because
[20:42] Speaker 1: of the behavior of a Labor senator in Senate estimates. Yesterday,
[20:46] Speaker 1: the conversation was in and around the truck drivers of Australia.
[20:50] Speaker 1: I know some of my colleagues have already shown it
[20:51] Speaker 1: to you, but I've got to show it to you
[20:52] Speaker 1: again here because imagine if this was a labor politician
[20:56] Speaker 1: who would say this to any other female member of
[20:58] Speaker 1: the Parliament, what the headlines we would be. Because the
[21:01] Speaker 1: ABC's version of it was Parliamentary Committee suspended as Senators
[21:04] Speaker 1: Bridget Mackenzie and Glenn Steele stirl I should say clash.
[21:10] Speaker 1: This was the clash.
[21:13] Speaker 7: I don't think the trucking the trucking industry is approving
[21:17] Speaker 7: of this government's approach to fuel exercise, the truck ee
[21:21] Speaker 7: tax or taxes on small business. Let's both have that
[21:24] Speaker 7: debate any form, any forum.
[21:27] Speaker 8: I will happily have that. Let's go to the National press.
[21:30] Speaker 8: Cut you up, You'll.
[21:32] Speaker 9: Cut me up metaphor metaphorically, I we'll carve you up,
[21:37] Speaker 9: as I should say, very happy.
[21:41] Speaker 8: I'll be writing to on that one.
[21:46] Speaker 1: Again. Do you love this? If it was a liberal senator,
[21:49] Speaker 1: one Nation senator who had said to anyone else in
[21:50] Speaker 1: the Parliament, cut you up. Oh sorry, metaphorical you reckon,
[21:54] Speaker 1: the headline would have been senator's clash, or it would
[21:57] Speaker 1: have been quote, I'll cut you up. It didn't stop
[22:01] Speaker 1: there though, as you can see in the sky news
[22:03] Speaker 1: dot com that are you headline? Well, he found a
[22:06] Speaker 1: new way to insult his political opponent because you don't.
[22:08] Speaker 1: They're doing politics so differently.
[22:13] Speaker 8: Okay, sham contract so yeah, I'm happy to fight sham contractors.
[22:18] Speaker 1: Who you wor?
[22:18] Speaker 8: Why aren't you doing anything?
[22:20] Speaker 1: Oh? My goodness? May can I come and sit down there, minister?
[22:24] Speaker 1: Can we spop and I can educate the ignoramis on
[22:27] Speaker 1: the other side of what's been going on?
[22:30] Speaker 8: You might want to now you've called me.
[22:33] Speaker 1: Also, if you've got any dirt for estimates and they
[22:36] Speaker 1: all laugh about it on podcasts, actually do your homework, senator.
[22:39] Speaker 1: You might get enlightened.
[22:41] Speaker 7: Talk to all the so ignorama's going to carve me up,
[22:45] Speaker 7: going to cut me out?
[22:46] Speaker 8: Anything else?
[22:46] Speaker 6: Sir?
[22:48] Speaker 8: What a charmer, Ladies. I hope you're listening.
[22:52] Speaker 1: Best as I could see, there has been no public
[22:53] Speaker 1: apology today, as best as I can see, There's been
[22:55] Speaker 1: no campaign for public apology today. As best as I
[22:58] Speaker 1: could see, there was not much for port of this today.
[23:00] Speaker 1: I repeat, if it was a one nation senator, if
[23:02] Speaker 1: it was a liberal senator, could you imagine how this
[23:06] Speaker 1: would have been?
[23:06] Speaker 10: Oh?
[23:07] Speaker 1: Great, they get out of jail free. For the government
[23:09] Speaker 1: to not talk about the budget. Let's go back to
[23:11] Speaker 1: sex has been camera. But of course it only applies
[23:14] Speaker 1: one way, never to the center, right, does it now?
[23:19] Speaker 1: One rule about American politics that's very important to know
[23:22] Speaker 1: is whenever someone wins the presidency like Donald Trump did
[23:26] Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty four, one of the reasons
[23:30] Speaker 1: is because it is a response to the president who
[23:33] Speaker 1: kind of won before. Trump couldn't have won in twenty
[23:36] Speaker 1: four if Biden didn't win in twenty twenty, but of
[23:39] Speaker 1: course he won in twenty twenty as a response to
[23:41] Speaker 1: Trump winning in twenty sixteen. Trump was only able to
[23:45] Speaker 1: become president because of the way Obama ran things in
[23:48] Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and twenty twelve. And the only
[23:50] Speaker 1: reason Obama got elected in two thousand and eight was
[23:52] Speaker 1: because of the way Bush ran the country in two
[23:54] Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand and four. I could keep going,
[23:57] Speaker 1: but my point is made about how the American system
[24:01] Speaker 1: swings one way and then the other, and when it's
[24:04] Speaker 1: this way, there's no possible way it could go, and
[24:07] Speaker 1: then there's no possible way. You get the point, right,
[24:10] Speaker 1: which brings me to a person whom, because she is
[24:12] Speaker 1: now older than thirty five, can run for president. AOC
[24:17] Speaker 1: now AOC, whether you like or dislike, whether you agree
[24:21] Speaker 1: or fervently disagree, is a very powerful politician. She knows
[24:27] Speaker 1: how to turn it on, how to fire it up,
[24:29] Speaker 1: how to speak to the people who aren't in all
[24:33] Speaker 1: of the traditional areas. She knows how to engage. But
[24:36] Speaker 1: its television, podcast, twitch streams or whatever. Again, the ideas, well,
[24:41] Speaker 1: they may will be wildly offensive ones that you wouldn't
[24:44] Speaker 1: possibly think America would ever embrace because they're too far left.
[24:48] Speaker 1: But these are the same people who thought Trump could
[24:50] Speaker 1: never come back, Biden will never win because he was
[24:54] Speaker 1: thumped in the first couple of states, Obama will It's
[24:57] Speaker 1: Hillary's turn Bush. You get my point, right, So those
[25:02] Speaker 1: who automatically assume there's no way she'll be the president
[25:05] Speaker 1: pay attention because it all starts getting serious after November,
[25:09] Speaker 1: and according to an insider news service called Axios in Washington, DC,
[25:15] Speaker 1: she is starting to put the things in place to
[25:17] Speaker 1: become the left wing candidate, not just the Democrat, but
[25:20] Speaker 1: the left wing candidate to try to run for the presidency. Now,
[25:25] Speaker 1: the assumption is the person she will be running against
[25:27] Speaker 1: would be jd Vance. Jd Vance as the person inheriting
[25:31] Speaker 1: the Trump legacy. The man standing by his side apparently
[25:34] Speaker 1: would win. Not according to some Poles. Now, yes, those
[25:37] Speaker 1: that are egalied will notice that's from December. We haven't
[25:40] Speaker 1: got a lot of opinion polls about what happens from
[25:42] Speaker 1: here on in. But again, one way of understanding the
[25:46] Speaker 1: American system, regardless of whether you like the details or not,
[25:51] Speaker 1: is the next president is a response to this president.
[25:55] Speaker 1: So if the assumption is that this is too wild
[25:57] Speaker 1: with Trump, well guess what the response might be with AOC.
[26:03] Speaker 1: We'll pay attention to it. Also, you don't have to
[26:05] Speaker 1: but never say never not going to happen when it
[26:09] Speaker 1: comes to the United States. As you know, you work
[26:12] Speaker 1: nice and hard. Sadly you have to pay too much tax,
[26:15] Speaker 1: and that tax goes to the idiots who run our
[26:17] Speaker 1: country and the people who make bad social media videos
[26:20] Speaker 1: about them, including something about tut paper.
[26:24] Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Anthony Alberanisi. Make sure you're following toilet paper Australia.
[26:30] Speaker 5: Nice Jim Chalmers here the Treasure of Australia.
[26:35] Speaker 8: Make sure you are following toilet paper Australia. Hi, I'm
[26:38] Speaker 8: Katie Gallahaer.
[26:39] Speaker 2: I'm the Minister for Finance and Minister for Women and
[26:42] Speaker 2: a few other things and about to have a chat.
[26:44] Speaker 8: But make sure you're following Toilet Paper Australia.
[26:47] Speaker 6: Hello, I'm Taniel Plumber. Second, this is talking poop.
[26:51] Speaker 1: Ha ha, it's actually a lefty podcast. Williant this again.
[26:56] Speaker 1: That's the example what our leaders have been doing. Here's
[26:59] Speaker 1: our favorite little social media player and just taking a job.
[27:04] Speaker 1: Very seriously. She helps write the laws that you must
[27:07] Speaker 1: obey by seriously. Again, I understand that the social media
[27:23] Speaker 1: language is a different language than what you may well
[27:25] Speaker 1: expect here. But how patronizing for us because I'm the
[27:30] Speaker 1: one who runs into Parliament with the pink jacket on.
[27:32] Speaker 1: Really really that's their patronizing view. But of course they
[27:35] Speaker 1: keep winning, which means they keep thinking they should keep
[27:37] Speaker 1: doing the same thing. Methinks, not a little more on
[27:41] Speaker 1: what we showed you last night of the chair of
[27:43] Speaker 1: the ABC giving a big swipe to one nation. But
[27:46] Speaker 1: they're not biased. Yeah, I'll play the grab again and
[27:49] Speaker 1: we'll discuss it all in a moment or two time. Remember,
[27:51] Speaker 1: no sooks, no lefties, just int Anamper Jimper Price as well.
[27:54] Speaker 1: Before we are done. You're gonna love tonight because you're
[27:57] Speaker 1: at exactly the right spot to watch the show. No
[27:59] Speaker 1: one's go on nowhere right joining us right now too
[28:08] Speaker 1: from very special locations, one of course being Melbourne, is
[28:10] Speaker 1: the great Michael Kroger, who's got plenty to say tonight,
[28:13] Speaker 1: lots to fire up about, no sooks, no left. He's
[28:15] Speaker 1: good to see you, mate, And James Ashby joining from
[28:17] Speaker 1: a very holy place right now. Oh look at him,
[28:20] Speaker 1: Look at him, he's all done up in Peter Champions
[28:24] Speaker 1: HDT Special Vehicles garage. You're plug into my heart, James,
[28:30] Speaker 1: my look at this.
[28:32] Speaker 11: You know it's twenty years since Peter Brock died.
[28:34] Speaker 1: It is sad.
[28:35] Speaker 11: I'm wearing his last jacket. Oh it's a very very
[28:38] Speaker 11: wholesome moment.
[28:39] Speaker 1: Oh that's a moment. Look there's some great treasure traps
[28:42] Speaker 1: I've been in that garage. Give Peter a big huge
[28:44] Speaker 1: from me. There is you could spend all night there.
[28:46] Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to talk to us.
[28:48] Speaker 1: So no offense, Michael, if just I cut you off
[28:50] Speaker 1: halfway through an answer, just to see a little more.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Peter Brock touches all right. Also all right, so let's
[28:56] Speaker 1: get to this, Michael. Thursday's the day the government is
[29:00] Speaker 1: going to actually start to push the budget through the Parliament.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Now they'll either show the hand that they're going to
[29:06] Speaker 1: start to change things on Thursday or they wait to
[29:09] Speaker 1: the Senate process. The backlash has been very strong, but
[29:13] Speaker 1: let's also be very honest. The volume has started to fall.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Why because maintaining the rage for two weeks is apparently difficult.
[29:21] Speaker 1: My again, mensage to everyone in small business who had
[29:24] Speaker 1: the Harry Hits two weeks ago, repost and fire up
[29:27] Speaker 1: again now because they're voting on Thursday. Do you think
[29:30] Speaker 1: he doubles down or backs down.
[29:32] Speaker 12: No, you have to back down on a few things, Paul.
[29:34] Speaker 12: I take issue with you on the anger. I think
[29:36] Speaker 12: this is you know, it's taken a while to sweep through,
[29:39] Speaker 12: seep down to people. Everyone's looked at the budget and
[29:42] Speaker 12: they've said, oh, I don't like the center of that,
[29:43] Speaker 12: and they've run someone who's run someone and then said
[29:46] Speaker 12: talk your account when they've talked your accountant or their
[29:49] Speaker 12: financial But these are quiet objections. These people aren't running
[29:56] Speaker 12: out in the streets. They're just hearing this for the
[29:58] Speaker 12: first time and it does take days, sometimes weeks for
[30:01] Speaker 12: this to get through, so I think there's a huge
[30:03] Speaker 12: amount of anger. They'll certainly back down on Thursday, I
[30:05] Speaker 12: would think on the discretionary testamentary trusts where they're trying
[30:10] Speaker 12: to tax at thirty percent beneficiaries underwills, which because they
[30:14] Speaker 12: don't really understand all these details, they just they just
[30:17] Speaker 12: sort of blundered into this not realizing what they were doing.
[30:21] Speaker 12: This is the problem, of course, by the way, when
[30:22] Speaker 12: you have people running the governor who never run a business,
[30:24] Speaker 12: correct and that's that's throughout Labour's history, by the way.
[30:29] Speaker 12: So they'll back down on that. They're talking to the
[30:32] Speaker 12: you know they're consulting the small business sector. Well you can't.
[30:35] Speaker 12: You can't exect the tech industry and not every other
[30:38] Speaker 12: small business. That would be ridiculous. So they'll make some
[30:42] Speaker 12: changes on Thursday, and they'll say we're still consulting and
[30:45] Speaker 12: they'll probably make some changes other changes in the next
[30:48] Speaker 12: parliamentary session. That's how I see them go.
[30:50] Speaker 13: Mate.
[30:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, but also, James, you've got this this nonsense where
[30:53] Speaker 1: all of this is in benefit of making sure that
[30:55] Speaker 1: people could buy their first home. Sorry, what does what
[30:58] Speaker 1: does changes? Does to people's inheritance have to do with that, Honestly, people,
[31:03] Speaker 1: no one's going to fall for that.
[31:06] Speaker 11: No, And look, there's a reason why I'm here tonight,
[31:09] Speaker 11: and that full reason is Peter Champion, who owns this
[31:12] Speaker 11: car collection, actually had a visit to his accountant today
[31:16] Speaker 11: because capital gains tax may very well impact upon this
[31:21] Speaker 11: very car collection.
[31:22] Speaker 14: You've got an.
[31:23] Speaker 11: NECs Commodore that he paid twenty five thousand dollars for
[31:26] Speaker 11: behind us here, it's now worth eight hundred thousand dollars.
[31:30] Speaker 11: He's now saying to his accountant, do I have to
[31:32] Speaker 11: pay capital gains tax on.
[31:35] Speaker 14: The increased value of that car?
[31:38] Speaker 11: Because I'm just a mere collector. I'm someone who had
[31:41] Speaker 11: a passion for something from an early age. I put
[31:44] Speaker 11: it in my garage when it was worth very little money,
[31:47] Speaker 11: and today it's worth something because it's one of very
[31:49] Speaker 11: few left.
[31:51] Speaker 12: And this is the problem. Right across this country.
[31:54] Speaker 14: There are people.
[31:54] Speaker 11: Sitting at home in their lounge chairs saying, well, actually,
[31:58] Speaker 11: this was supposed to be about getting people back into
[32:01] Speaker 11: the housing market, or young people into the housing market.
[32:04] Speaker 11: Now all of a sudden, you're about to tax the
[32:07] Speaker 11: wazoo out of us because we decided to put our
[32:09] Speaker 11: money into something that might be worth something in the future.
[32:13] Speaker 11: And that's the challenge this Labor party are facing. And
[32:17] Speaker 11: rest assured, no one's going to forget it. Might be
[32:20] Speaker 11: two weeks, but Labor have been relying on people's short
[32:23] Speaker 11: term memories.
[32:24] Speaker 12: But this is going to hit them very hard.
[32:26] Speaker 1: Very true. Look, if Peter wants to, you and I
[32:28] Speaker 1: will put in fifty cents each. We'll take it off
[32:30] Speaker 1: his hands for a dollar. I'm sure he'll be fine with.
[32:32] Speaker 11: The I've offered to buy it at the new cast price.
[32:36] Speaker 1: We'll have a chat afterwards. Michael, you want to throw
[32:39] Speaker 1: in as well, we can all share it, Okay.
[32:41] Speaker 12: Well, I think the good news, Jonames, I think you
[32:44] Speaker 12: can tell that, fellow. The good news is the the CGT.
[32:47] Speaker 12: It's not a registered charity I suppose, and it's not
[32:50] Speaker 12: a hobby business. Look, the capital or going sack is
[32:54] Speaker 12: only three hundred thousand.
[32:58] Speaker 1: Every out of mind Bordom for seventy ends up paying
[33:02] Speaker 1: three hundred for it. It makes perfect sense, all right.
[33:05] Speaker 1: So when we talked about that megapoll that was done
[33:08] Speaker 1: and it was the same methodology which produced pretty much
[33:11] Speaker 1: a bang on the result before the last election, producing
[33:14] Speaker 1: one nation on its way to the best part of
[33:16] Speaker 1: almost sixty seats. Well, one of those seats would be
[33:20] Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty in Western Australia. He spoke this morning with
[33:23] Speaker 1: my colleague Peter Stefanovic, and he doesn't seem too worried
[33:26] Speaker 1: about the threat of losing his seat the one nation.
[33:29] Speaker 15: Look, I don't live in fear. I mean, my mission
[33:33] Speaker 15: is clear. It's the defeat Labor one nation. Their mission
[33:36] Speaker 15: is less clear. Pauline Hansen came out on the weekend
[33:39] Speaker 15: and said she's targeting Canning. Well, if she wants to
[33:41] Speaker 15: defeat Labor, I'm not sure why she'd be targeting people
[33:44] Speaker 15: like me on the center, right.
[33:47] Speaker 1: So James, I'll get to your response in that. And
[33:49] Speaker 1: the reality is because one hundred and fifty seats, they're
[33:51] Speaker 1: all contestable and everyone needs to win everywhere, right, it's
[33:54] Speaker 1: musical chairs. At some point everyone's fighting. Only one person wins.
[33:57] Speaker 1: But Michael discussion with our dear friend Stephen Conroy on
[34:03] Speaker 1: the air last night in relation to the pole. What
[34:07] Speaker 1: I think is really interesting here is that and there
[34:10] Speaker 1: was some data that I'll get into tomorrow, but it
[34:12] Speaker 1: shows that actually again about thirty percent of Liberal voters
[34:16] Speaker 1: in Farah. Well, they ended up preferencing anyone but one
[34:19] Speaker 1: nation in the end, right, it didn't matter because of
[34:22] Speaker 1: all the preferences in the primary vote. But if that's
[34:25] Speaker 1: the case, isn't that going to see a scenario where yes,
[34:28] Speaker 1: a LIB might lose the seat, but one nation may
[34:31] Speaker 1: not win the seat, or Libs are going to be
[34:33] Speaker 1: propped up by labor preferences.
[34:37] Speaker 12: I think when you get close to the election, the
[34:39] Speaker 12: percentage of Liberal preferences going to one nation is going
[34:41] Speaker 12: to increase. I don't think it'll stay thirty percent. I
[34:45] Speaker 12: think it'll be twenty percent or less, because how could
[34:48] Speaker 12: you preference Albanesi brings ahead of one nation. I mean
[34:53] Speaker 12: in overyone wines of that one nation. There's a lot
[34:55] Speaker 12: of jealousy out there. Obviously our people are very upset
[34:57] Speaker 12: at what's happened with the Poles and particularly what happened Farah.
[35:01] Speaker 12: But really what people are going to put Albanezi back
[35:04] Speaker 12: in or you know, the anam remnant party? Really I
[35:08] Speaker 12: don't think so. But whilst James is here, there was
[35:11] Speaker 12: a rumor on Sky last week, as you know, Paul
[35:13] Speaker 12: and Andrew Bolt mentioned this that there was a rumor
[35:15] Speaker 12: that Ben Robert Smith was going to be running in Canning.
[35:18] Speaker 12: I didn't hear denial. Perhaps James could tell us tonight
[35:22] Speaker 12: what the truth or otherwise that is.
[35:24] Speaker 1: Through the speaker, I recognize the Member for Ashby.
[35:30] Speaker 12: I'm happy to answer that.
[35:31] Speaker 11: Look, there's one thing One Nation stand by, and that
[35:34] Speaker 11: is Ben Robert Smith. I'm not sure whether the current
[35:37] Speaker 11: Member for Canning does. But the truth of the matter
[35:41] Speaker 11: is that we stand by all of our Defense Force members,
[35:45] Speaker 11: and that is one thing that Andrew Hasty is forgetting.
[35:50] Speaker 11: What I will say to Andrew Hasty is that we've
[35:52] Speaker 11: got four hundred and thirty one Nation members in his electorate.
[35:56] Speaker 11: I did seek the number from our office before coming
[35:59] Speaker 11: on tonight. So we are a strong four hundred and
[36:01] Speaker 11: thirty registered, paid up members of One Nation in that seat,
[36:05] Speaker 11: and theyve you on candidate.
[36:08] Speaker 1: All right, Michael have no.
[36:13] Speaker 12: I'll clear that up.
[36:13] Speaker 14: Look, it was a terrible rumor.
[36:15] Speaker 11: Ben Roberts Smith has something that he's defending right now,
[36:19] Speaker 11: and that is his freedom, and that is his honor.
[36:22] Speaker 11: He is a war hero, not a war criminal, as
[36:25] Speaker 11: some have portrayed him within the Liberal Party, and One
[36:28] Speaker 11: Nation will stand by him right to the very end,
[36:31] Speaker 11: despite what the allegations are. So you've asked the question,
[36:35] Speaker 11: I've given it to you right now. He's not standing
[36:37] Speaker 11: for us, but we will stand by Ben Roberts Smith.
[36:40] Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good to hear. All right now, Michael
[36:43] Speaker 1: of course your former experience there, the ABC board, all
[36:46] Speaker 1: the rest of it. Well, let's have a chat about
[36:48] Speaker 1: Kim Williams. Now. I showed people this last night. There
[36:51] Speaker 1: is a podcast out of Tasmania. It's called Pole Position,
[36:54] Speaker 1: very granular about both state and federal politics in Tasmania.
[36:58] Speaker 1: Really fascinating. Shout out to the guys who host the podcast.
[37:03] Speaker 1: They had the chairman of the ABC as I showed
[37:06] Speaker 1: last night, and we've got a response from Pauline Hansen.
[37:09] Speaker 1: But I wanted to get your response, Michael. Of course,
[37:11] Speaker 1: as a man who's been inside the belly of the
[37:13] Speaker 1: beast number one when he said this about bias.
[37:19] Speaker 9: No secret. ABC is viewed by many on the right
[37:22] Speaker 9: of politics as being hostile to the conservative side of politics.
[37:28] Speaker 9: I think if you say something often enough and you
[37:31] Speaker 9: repeat it over and over again you believe it, it
[37:35] Speaker 9: doesn't make it so. Simply because you say something does
[37:38] Speaker 9: not make it so. The ABC is not an especially
[37:43] Speaker 9: left wing or right wing organization, and in fact, the
[37:46] Speaker 9: majority of ABC journalists I would defy anyone to know
[37:50] Speaker 9: how they vote.
[37:53] Speaker 1: Really okay, and then the second one where to prove
[37:55] Speaker 1: how unbiased they are. The top of the tree, the
[37:58] Speaker 1: chev the organization takes a swipe at a political party
[38:03] Speaker 1: that's on its way to sixty seats, are at the
[38:05] Speaker 1: very least is more than a quarter of support for Australians,
[38:09] Speaker 1: on its way towards a third in primary vote, almost
[38:11] Speaker 1: going stroke for stroke with the government. And again from
[38:15] Speaker 1: the chair.
[38:17] Speaker 9: I think if you're going to choose who you talk
[38:20] Speaker 9: to and who you don't talk to, you're in a
[38:23] Speaker 9: dark and dangerous place in democracy. And I think politicians
[38:27] Speaker 9: are accountable to the people and they don't get to
[38:30] Speaker 9: pick who's going to question them. Clearly, one nation has
[38:35] Speaker 9: a different view. They think that they anoint who will
[38:38] Speaker 9: question them. Perhaps their concern is because they are such
[38:44] Speaker 9: a policy free zone. But I say that objectively, not
[38:48] Speaker 9: in any spirit of partisanship. One nation has statements, it
[38:56] Speaker 9: doesn't have policies.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Michael, how can he do that? I get it is
[39:00] Speaker 1: a human being with an opinion. But he's the top
[39:03] Speaker 1: of the tree talking about how unbiased they are. But
[39:05] Speaker 1: except for this party, I really don't like them. Why
[39:08] Speaker 1: inferred about what he said?
[39:10] Speaker 12: Is that al generated? Or is that really the chairman
[39:12] Speaker 12: of the ABC.
[39:13] Speaker 1: The chairman of the ABC podcast in Tazzy late last week?
[39:16] Speaker 1: Is fake?
[39:18] Speaker 12: If that was really Kim Williams, mate, he is a
[39:21] Speaker 12: delusional fool. But he is a fool, and he's embarrassed himself.
[39:25] Speaker 12: He's embarrassed the organization to say they're a policy for
[39:29] Speaker 12: his own Well, oh, is that indicating a bias against
[39:33] Speaker 12: one nation? To say that no one knows who the
[39:35] Speaker 12: staff would vade for. Well, I'll tell you. I'll ask
[39:37] Speaker 12: you this, Kim, how many One Nation support do you
[39:40] Speaker 12: think work at the ABC? How many names you know
[39:44] Speaker 12: if they're members? How many people that you've got inside
[39:46] Speaker 12: the ABC? There's over four thousand employees of the AB
[39:49] Speaker 12: buck egg, there'd be a thousand one Nation people. You
[39:54] Speaker 12: are a fool, Kim Williams. If you've said that, if
[39:56] Speaker 12: you're an absolute fool, And then to say it's not
[39:59] Speaker 12: right wing or I'll give you tip this guy, what
[40:02] Speaker 12: that is embarrassed? That is humiliating he's humiliated himself, he's humiliated.
[40:07] Speaker 6: The A b C.
[40:08] Speaker 12: And you know all that does. And you know I'm
[40:11] Speaker 12: not a handsome supporter because I'm but I've got to say,
[40:15] Speaker 12: you know, when she said last night that she wants
[40:18] Speaker 12: to abolish the Sydney you know, A b C and
[40:21] Speaker 12: send it all out to the regions, that would get
[40:23] Speaker 12: a lot of ticks from a lot of liberal voters.
[40:25] Speaker 12: Because that was that was Kim Williams. That was delusional.
[40:29] Speaker 1: What a fool, James, You're RESPONSI and I already explained
[40:34] Speaker 1: last night with everyone in Pauline as to what the
[40:37] Speaker 1: genesis of all of this is in terms of naming
[40:39] Speaker 1: of the staffer. But again you're your response here to
[40:42] Speaker 1: the chairman, Oh.
[40:44] Speaker 11: Well, given we're only full of statements, what a wanker.
[40:48] Speaker 11: But beyond that, But beyond that, I would say that
[40:54] Speaker 11: the ABC does need to do some fact checking of
[40:57] Speaker 11: their own chairman. Uh And I will say this is well,
[41:00] Speaker 11: it was only last week that I did.
[41:02] Speaker 14: A receiver request from mister Williams to come and meet
[41:06] Speaker 14: with Senator Hanson and we will see some time provided
[41:12] Speaker 14: to mister Williams where we see fit excellent.
[41:14] Speaker 1: Can you do it here on the show, or at
[41:16] Speaker 1: least put a GoPro in the corner.
[41:17] Speaker 11: I look forward to You're welcome mate anytime.
[41:20] Speaker 1: Thank you lads, all the best and again Peter Chapman
[41:22] Speaker 1: if you want to follow him HDT official on Instagram
[41:26] Speaker 1: if you're a fan of great holdens like I am,
[41:28] Speaker 1: Thank you guys, just said at apper jibber Price. She
[41:30] Speaker 1: joins us next about the Senate estimates process, and of
[41:33] Speaker 1: course their responsibility is small business. No Sook's no lefties tonight.
[41:37] Speaker 1: How good is this one? With a touch of Brockie. Oh,
[41:40] Speaker 1: I love it as always. We love keeping an eye
[41:47] Speaker 1: on Senate estimates because yeah, we're those kind of nerds.
[41:50] Speaker 1: But I really love when people who know what they're
[41:51] Speaker 1: talking about confront the people who know what's really going on.
[41:54] Speaker 1: But the people who are the public servants who really
[41:57] Speaker 1: know what's going on don't really know how to answer
[42:00] Speaker 1: a question. Let me explain to send it down for
[42:03] Speaker 1: juper price today in Senate estimates back and forth because
[42:06] Speaker 1: the Albanza government had an incredible scheme that was worth
[42:09] Speaker 1: an awful lot of money for minimum wage workers in
[42:12] Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. I'll let the Senator take it from here.
[42:16] Speaker 16: Just a confirmation. So when the evidence just received nine
[42:18] Speaker 16: hundred and fifty million to create six thousand jobs, so
[42:22] Speaker 16: that is about one hundred and fifty k per job,
[42:24] Speaker 16: and I was described as award or minimum wage? Can
[42:27] Speaker 16: I just confirm that please?
[42:28] Speaker 13: The national minimum wage from full time position understands it
[42:31] Speaker 13: around fifty thousand dollars. And then you've got on costs
[42:34] Speaker 13: and capital costs, supervisions, other costs that the organization may
[42:38] Speaker 13: need to create that job.
[42:39] Speaker 10: And sorry, Sandra, I might just add there as well,
[42:41] Speaker 10: the funding, as I mentioned before for the Community Jobs
[42:43] Speaker 10: and Business Fund, is also part of that entirety of
[42:46] Speaker 10: the figures.
[42:47] Speaker 16: Okay, So can those figures be broken down? Because I'm
[42:51] Speaker 16: looking at nine hundred and fifty million divided by six
[42:53] Speaker 16: thousand is one hundred and fifty eight k.
[42:59] Speaker 10: To create we had a fifty thousand dollars job a year. Yeah,
[43:03] Speaker 10: we can break that down, Senator. And because it's just mister,
[43:07] Speaker 10: someone will find the exact details. But just because as
[43:10] Speaker 10: a program it was announced in February twenty twenty four
[43:13] Speaker 10: and then we've had the additional investment, it's not a
[43:15] Speaker 10: neat figure that we have.
[43:18] Speaker 1: Ama, Hamaa Harmona, Senator, just send it there for jimper
[43:23] Speaker 1: Price joins us. Now it's not a laughing matter. Nine
[43:26] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars to create six thousand jobs.
[43:35] Speaker 1: What possible justification was there for how they got to
[43:39] Speaker 1: that number.
[43:40] Speaker 16: Well, we didn't get to that point of the line
[43:45] Speaker 16: of questioning because they simply didn't have the They don't
[43:50] Speaker 16: have the breakdown in front of them, and they often
[43:52] Speaker 16: don't have the breakdown in front of them. So basically,
[43:55] Speaker 16: I've got to wait for the question to be taken
[43:57] Speaker 16: on notice and that will come back with that information
[44:02] Speaker 16: after the fact. And this happens a lot in Senate estimates.
[44:06] Speaker 16: But yeah, I'm sitting there scratching my head, going, well, firstly,
[44:11] Speaker 16: you know that's that how's anyone going to live on
[44:16] Speaker 16: that wage for STARTUS fifty thousand dollars under the current
[44:21] Speaker 16: cost of living crisis? But also where's the other one
[44:26] Speaker 16: hundred and eight thousand dollars gone? When you break it
[44:31] Speaker 16: down in that way, nine hundred and fifty million dollars
[44:34] Speaker 16: for six thousand jobs. One hundred and fifty eight you know,
[44:40] Speaker 16: a thousand dollars. Yeah, it's this is why I continue
[44:46] Speaker 16: to call for an audit into indigenous in the Indigenous
[44:50] Speaker 16: affairs space, and they sit there and try to tell
[44:53] Speaker 16: you this is really successful. And not only that, but
[44:57] Speaker 16: we're propping up people in indigenous communities, growing the public
[45:01] Speaker 16: sector as opposed to actually investing in economic development and
[45:06] Speaker 16: allowing traditional earners to become job creators themselves. Imagine that,
[45:11] Speaker 16: I mean, really this could this government wrap their head
[45:13] Speaker 16: around that?
[45:14] Speaker 1: But also per perfect example about the layer upon layer
[45:17] Speaker 1: of garbage. Right, simple calculation, right, fifty thousand dollars time
[45:21] Speaker 1: six thousand workers is three hundred million, So where's the
[45:24] Speaker 1: other six hundred and fifty million dollars? That's the paper pushing?
[45:28] Speaker 1: Is now do these Does the federal government pay for
[45:31] Speaker 1: the fifty thousand jobs and the rest of the money
[45:33] Speaker 1: is the facilitating or is all of it the facilitating
[45:36] Speaker 1: and business has to pay the fifty thousand dollars to
[45:39] Speaker 1: the workers?
[45:41] Speaker 16: Well at this point in time, you know as much
[45:44] Speaker 16: as on oh man, seriously, and you know it is
[45:50] Speaker 16: ongoing and ongoing and ongoing. I mean, you know another
[45:53] Speaker 16: example today is you know we've been honing and under
[45:57] Speaker 16: the Australia has been honing in on Tongue Juri Council,
[46:00] Speaker 16: which are responsible for the upkeep of town camps. And
[46:03] Speaker 16: you know, we've seen articles that suggest that town camp
[46:07] Speaker 16: people can't even get a door handle fixed or or
[46:11] Speaker 16: either shower recess fixed or plumbing done, or you know,
[46:14] Speaker 16: all kinds of sort of stuff that the Tongue Jurer
[46:16] Speaker 16: accounts are responsible for. Well, we basically uncover the fact
[46:20] Speaker 16: that there were about nineteen ongoing grants to that equate
[46:26] Speaker 16: to seventy million dollars worth being funneled into this organization
[46:32] Speaker 16: for programs nineteen various different programs that they're supposedly running.
[46:37] Speaker 16: And keeping in mind that town campers, the residents are
[46:42] Speaker 16: sit around one thousand residents, and you know there are
[46:46] Speaker 16: those that you know itineris that kind of come and
[46:49] Speaker 16: go that move about, that come from other communities into
[46:53] Speaker 16: town camp. So you're looking at sometimes then flutchweight between
[46:57] Speaker 16: sixteen hundred and two thousand people. But some of those
[47:00] Speaker 16: programs are for children as well, and so there's no
[47:06] Speaker 16: transparency as to how that money is actually being spent,
[47:09] Speaker 16: but not only that, whether it's actually producing any outcomes
[47:14] Speaker 16: improving anyone's lives. But there's just no there's just no
[47:18] Speaker 16: accountability or transparency in this space, which is why once
[47:21] Speaker 16: more we keep asking for the need for an audit
[47:25] Speaker 16: in this space, like taxpayers want to know that their
[47:28] Speaker 16: hard earned dollars are actually helping indigenous sturns and not
[47:33] Speaker 16: just propping up an organization that, evidently, with the condition
[47:37] Speaker 16: of town camps, anyone with eyes in their head can see,
[47:42] Speaker 16: is failing in terms of the maintenance, the upkeep, the safety.
[47:47] Speaker 1: It's crazy and as you and many others have discussed before,
[47:51] Speaker 1: that bigotry of low expectations, the idea that you have
[47:56] Speaker 1: such a delta between the promise and the cost, it'd
[48:00] Speaker 1: be a scandal in any other area of government. Because
[48:02] Speaker 1: it's this area. Don't discuss. Don't discuss. And even when
[48:06] Speaker 1: you are spoon and feeding into those people whose full
[48:08] Speaker 1: time job is to talk about politics, this will be
[48:11] Speaker 1: the most detailed conversation many people have seen. Well, all
[48:14] Speaker 1: power to your arms. Senator, love you to see you,
[48:15] Speaker 1: will look forward to seeing you again next time here
[48:17] Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you. Senator just sent a Nampa
[48:20] Speaker 1: jimper Price. Good on her, good on her, and thank
[48:22] Speaker 1: goodness she's there in the Parliament. Thank goodness. Morn A Sec.
[48:29] Speaker 1: That is our show for a night, Megan Kelly our
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