# Paul Murray Live | 2 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 2 Apr 2026, 55 min.

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Donald Trump addresses the world on Iran and subtly attacks US allied nations, Albanese makes a squandering speech about the ongoing fuel crisis. Plus, Colm Flynn joins live from Rome to discuss the upcoming busy Easter weekend at the Vatican. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: The Sky New Sector. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling
[0:09] Speaker 2: in this evening for Paul Murray in the man Cave.
[0:11] Speaker 2: Coming up on the program, Day two of Anthony Albanesi's
[0:15] Speaker 2: squandering speeches tour of Australia. He really has no clue
[0:18] Speaker 2: how to handle his fuel prices, does he. I'll catch
[0:21] Speaker 2: up with a farmer later in the show for their take.
[0:24] Speaker 2: Donald Trump addresses the world Iran, but it was his
[0:27] Speaker 2: subtle attack at Allies that stood out the most. And
[0:31] Speaker 2: we'll go live to Rome and catch up with our
[0:33] Speaker 2: friend Colin Flynn ahead of a busy Easter weekend at
[0:36] Speaker 2: the Vatican. But first this evening, I've got to ask
[0:39] Speaker 2: the question, what is the point of Anthony Albanezi? Because
[0:45] Speaker 2: I listened to his address at the National Press Club
[0:47] Speaker 2: today and I walked away just as confused as I
[0:52] Speaker 2: did last night after our dear leader hijacked televisions for
[0:56] Speaker 2: three minutes to tell us everything but nothing. Now, Anthony
[1:01] Speaker 2: Arberanezi has squandered two major moments in the midst of
[1:06] Speaker 2: a fuel crisis. He should have come out firing today,
[1:09] Speaker 2: offered up solutions and shown the strength of leadership. But
[1:14] Speaker 2: the problem is here is we actually still don't know
[1:17] Speaker 2: what Labour's plan is for this fuel crisis and how
[1:20] Speaker 2: it plans to bolster fuel supplies so that we become
[1:23] Speaker 2: self sufficient. The question was asked of the Prime Minister,
[1:28] Speaker 2: what is your government's long term plan to make Australia
[1:31] Speaker 2: either self sufficient or far more self sufficient when it
[1:34] Speaker 2: comes to liquid fuels.
[1:36] Speaker 3: We have to be more self sufficient and less vulnerable.
[1:42] Speaker 2: Okay, good start, So he agrees, So what are you
[1:46] Speaker 2: going to do about it? Prime Minister?
[1:48] Speaker 3: It all needs to start with the principle of we
[1:52] Speaker 3: can't assume, as I said in the speech, they we'll
[1:57] Speaker 3: get it from somewhere else because it's cheap for somewhere else,
[2:01] Speaker 3: and this market will operate that. That is the world
[2:04] Speaker 3: that we're in.
[2:06] Speaker 2: Okay, let's just pause it right there is anyone else
[2:10] Speaker 2: following along an understanding because I'm not. I mean, he
[2:13] Speaker 2: was asked a very simple question. But go on, Prime minister.
[2:18] Speaker 3: We're in a world where economic relationships are linked to
[2:22] Speaker 3: national security. We need to continue to that. So if
[2:27] Speaker 3: you like the principle that we're elected on in twenty
[2:31] Speaker 3: and twenty two, which included in I think it was
[2:34] Speaker 3: the first or maybe the second budget reply I did.
[2:37] Speaker 3: I announced the National Reconstruction FUNT. That's about making more
[2:41] Speaker 3: things here. It was about being more resilient.
[2:45] Speaker 2: What hello? Is it just me? Am I the only
[2:51] Speaker 2: only one who noncomprehendo? Does this give you any satisfaction
[2:55] Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister has got this all under control? Because,
[2:59] Speaker 2: as I said, the question it was pretty simple, how
[3:02] Speaker 2: can you make us more self sufficient when it comes
[3:05] Speaker 2: to liquid fuels? And the Prime Minister took us on
[3:08] Speaker 2: a word salad journey. Kamala Harris, eat your heart out.
[3:13] Speaker 2: So let me help him out a little bit. The
[3:15] Speaker 2: answer is right in front of us. We are an
[3:18] Speaker 2: energy rich nation, Prime Minister, did you know that? Yet
[3:21] Speaker 2: we cannot support ourselves in times of crisis because labor
[3:25] Speaker 2: continues on its green energy magic carpet. Right, we have gas,
[3:30] Speaker 2: we have coal, uranium, We are sitting on an abundance.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Yet we have self harmed and instead of using them
[3:37] Speaker 2: to our advantage, we export them elsewhere. Drilling, of course,
[3:42] Speaker 2: is largely banned. And but we'll say this, the drilling
[3:44] Speaker 2: issue is not just labor. Previous governments have been just
[3:47] Speaker 2: as culpable. But Anthony Albernezi has a clear chance to
[3:51] Speaker 2: right the wrongs and start making us self sufficient. Do
[3:56] Speaker 2: we think he's going to do that? Or based on
[3:59] Speaker 2: his words salad today, what do you reckon? I would
[4:02] Speaker 2: say the bloke has no intention and it comes down
[4:06] Speaker 2: to his obsession with the renewables only fasad, the zero wokery,
[4:11] Speaker 2: the big scary climate change armageddon, and it boggles the
[4:16] Speaker 2: mind when you think about it, because we're actually sitting
[4:18] Speaker 2: on the answer. But of course that would unravel his
[4:21] Speaker 2: in Chris Bowen's climate zealotree. Now, as I said, he
[4:24] Speaker 2: had a chance today and last night to provide us
[4:27] Speaker 2: with real solutions, and he failed on both occasions. So
[4:30] Speaker 2: again I ask, what is the point of Anthony Albnezi
[4:35] Speaker 2: now his address to the nation. If you didn't see
[4:38] Speaker 2: the three minutes in full last night, you didn't miss much.
[4:41] Speaker 2: This was it in a nutshell. Yep, that's it. That's it,
[4:48] Speaker 2: That's all it was. Even crickets are more exciting than this.
[4:53] Speaker 3: Enjoy your resta by nature, we're an optimistic country. You
[4:57] Speaker 3: should go about your business and your life as normal.
[5:00] Speaker 1: It's hard to be positive now.
[5:02] Speaker 2: One would have thought it was a sick April fool's joke,
[5:05] Speaker 2: but no it wasn't, and voters were equally as confused.
[5:10] Speaker 4: He's not worth listening to.
[5:12] Speaker 2: A waste of time?
[5:13] Speaker 5: How come?
[5:15] Speaker 4: Well, yes, waffles like he normally does.
[5:17] Speaker 6: I think it's poor.
[5:18] Speaker 4: I mean I think there's a lot more he could do.
[5:20] Speaker 4: Didn't watch his speech last night?
[5:21] Speaker 6: Ah, I did, but I shortly shut it off after
[5:23] Speaker 6: thirty seconds.
[5:25] Speaker 2: Tells you everything. Now, the last time we had a
[5:28] Speaker 2: serious address to the nation was during COVID when Scott
[5:31] Speaker 2: Morrison addressed us on the unfolding global pandemic. Although I
[5:35] Speaker 2: will add this the Prime Minister have felt the need
[5:37] Speaker 2: to remind us today that he also didn't address to
[5:40] Speaker 2: the nation when the Queen died. And with all respect
[5:43] Speaker 2: to her majesty, this fuel crisis is very different to
[5:46] Speaker 2: someone's death because it's impacting all of us right now.
[5:50] Speaker 2: But we need leadership in times of crisis, and all
[5:52] Speaker 2: we got was a She'll be right, Yes, petrol's expensive,
[5:56] Speaker 2: do your bit. Here's what my government's doing. Ego boo,
[6:00] Speaker 2: ego booster. You know, make it look like I've got
[6:02] Speaker 2: all under control. Have a great easter. Take the bus
[6:06] Speaker 2: where you can oh and don't worry, we're ready for
[6:09] Speaker 2: the worst, and talk about buttering us up. We're ready
[6:13] Speaker 2: for the worst. So why did the Prime Minister waste
[6:16] Speaker 2: our time and address the nation on everything but nothing?
[6:20] Speaker 4: Why no detail in that address last night? White?
[6:23] Speaker 7: Just a group hug.
[6:24] Speaker 3: One of the things that's occurred in recent weeks during
[6:29] Speaker 3: this global crisis is the amount of misinformation that's out there.
[6:33] Speaker 3: People now, with due respect to Channel seven years or
[6:37] Speaker 3: anything else, used to get their information from seven or
[6:41] Speaker 3: nine or OBC or ten or SBS. They'd get their
[6:45] Speaker 3: information there and there would be a consistency about it.
[6:52] Speaker 3: Now they're getting it on their device. It's selling them
[6:56] Speaker 3: all sorts of things that aren't true. So I took
[6:59] Speaker 3: the opportunity to talk directly directly.
[7:04] Speaker 2: To the nation.
[7:06] Speaker 3: That is more important than ever because the nature of
[7:10] Speaker 3: noise that is out there, the conspiracy theories that are
[7:14] Speaker 3: out there, which are allowed, which propagate, which we can't
[7:19] Speaker 3: do anything about.
[7:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so the glass jaw is back. Welcome back,
[7:27] Speaker 2: and let me just get this right. Albo is upset
[7:32] Speaker 2: that you did not respond positively to our dear leaders.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Nothing to see here addressed to the nation, and so
[7:39] Speaker 2: his reasoning was to stop misinformation, to stop conspiracy theories,
[7:46] Speaker 2: and of course it's all the media's fault really, And
[7:51] Speaker 2: in another attempt to try and further quell confusion, he
[7:54] Speaker 2: came up with.
[7:54] Speaker 3: This, this will not be like COVID.
[7:58] Speaker 2: Well terrific. I mean during COVID, when the States started freelancing.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Just yesterday the WA government declared a state of emergency.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Nobody is on the same page, elbow, nobody. Motorists are
[8:13] Speaker 2: packing out servos across the country. More than four hundred
[8:16] Speaker 2: have run out of at least one type of fuel
[8:19] Speaker 2: and that was at last check before I came on
[8:20] Speaker 2: air this evening. It's the East Long weekend and we
[8:24] Speaker 2: are in a shambles. So thank you for a second
[8:27] Speaker 2: day in a row. Prime Minister, for wasting everybody's time
[8:30] Speaker 2: on to you at home. Don't forget take the bar
[8:33] Speaker 2: saw walk where you can. Our dear leader is counting
[8:36] Speaker 2: on you to help him.
[8:42] Speaker 4: Well.
[8:43] Speaker 2: The build up to Donald Trump's much anticipated update on
[8:46] Speaker 2: the Iran war, I have to say it was actually
[8:48] Speaker 2: more exciting than the speech himself. In the hours leading
[8:52] Speaker 2: up to it, the US President took the time to
[8:54] Speaker 2: have a crack at French President Emmanuel Macron and his wife.
[8:59] Speaker 8: Did I go a France Macron whose way frets him
[9:04] Speaker 8: extremely badly and still recovering from the rate to the Jew?
[9:14] Speaker 2: Now, look, if you didn't catch that, he was referring
[9:17] Speaker 2: to this moment here when well mccron was sort of
[9:20] Speaker 2: I guess slapped by his own wife.
[9:23] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[9:23] Speaker 2: She sort of attacked the jaw there. I don't know
[9:25] Speaker 2: what was going on, but that's what he was referring to.
[9:28] Speaker 2: And Trump also gave a hint about his impending speech
[9:32] Speaker 2: to the nation to know, I'm.
[9:34] Speaker 8: Making a little speech at nine o'clock, and basically I'm
[9:39] Speaker 8: going to I'm going to tell everybody how great I am,
[9:43] Speaker 8: what a great job after what a phenomenal job, what
[9:46] Speaker 8: a phenomenal job I've done.
[9:49] Speaker 2: Now, look, I personally find him quite funny. I know
[9:52] Speaker 2: that there's been a lot of criticism about using humor
[9:54] Speaker 2: in this war, but I don't know. I just think
[9:57] Speaker 2: if you don't laugh, you'll cry, right, And Trump is
[10:00] Speaker 2: Trump America's word salad queen, though Kamala Harris she wasn't
[10:04] Speaker 2: having a bar of it this morning.
[10:07] Speaker 9: Hey everyone, So I'm not going to be able to
[10:09] Speaker 9: watch the president's address tonight. But here's the thing. He
[10:13] Speaker 9: brought America into a war that people do not want.
[10:16] Speaker 9: He has put American troops in harm's way, costs are
[10:19] Speaker 9: rising by the day, and meanwhile, he has done nothing
[10:23] Speaker 9: to address the needs of the people of America. And
[10:26] Speaker 9: I bet you he's going to try and claim victory tonight,
[10:29] Speaker 9: But the reality is we're watching what he does instead
[10:33] Speaker 9: of listening to what he says.
[10:36] Speaker 2: Look, Kamala's still unburdened by what has been remember her
[10:39] Speaker 2: classic line, and she likes a wine or two or three,
[10:42] Speaker 2: so it's actually impossible these days days to take her seriously.
[10:46] Speaker 2: But now to the actual speech itself, I don't think
[10:49] Speaker 2: there was much new in what Trump said, but he
[10:53] Speaker 2: did restate his core objectives.
[10:57] Speaker 8: From the very first day I announced my camp Pain
[11:00] Speaker 8: for president in twenty fifteen, I have vowed that I
[11:04] Speaker 8: would never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Our
[11:08] Speaker 8: objectives are very simple and clear. We are systematically dismantling
[11:13] Speaker 8: the regime's ability to threaten America or project power outside
[11:17] Speaker 8: of their borders. Thanks to the progress we've made, I
[11:20] Speaker 8: can say tonight that we are on track to complete
[11:24] Speaker 8: all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly. We are
[11:29] Speaker 8: going to hit them extremely hard over the next two
[11:32] Speaker 8: to three weeks.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Now, I think you have to read between the lines
[11:36] Speaker 2: of that speech to actually get anything new. First, the
[11:39] Speaker 2: message was to his base, It was stick with me.
[11:43] Speaker 2: The war is nearing completion. But critically, it's what he
[11:46] Speaker 2: hinted at that is most important, because it seemed to
[11:49] Speaker 2: me that he almost poked at us. Allies.
[11:54] Speaker 8: There's no country like us anywhere in the world, and
[11:58] Speaker 8: we're in great shape for the future. The United States
[12:01] Speaker 8: imports almost no oil through the Hormos Street and won't
[12:06] Speaker 8: be taking any in the future. We don't need it.
[12:08] Speaker 8: The countries of the world that do receive oil through
[12:11] Speaker 8: the Hormo strait must take care of that passage. They
[12:15] Speaker 8: must cherish it. They must grab it and cherish it.
[12:18] Speaker 8: They can do it easily. We will be helpful, but
[12:22] Speaker 8: they should take the lead in protecting the earl that
[12:25] Speaker 8: they so desperately depend on. So to those countries that
[12:29] Speaker 8: can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved
[12:32] Speaker 8: in the decapitation of Iran, we had to do it ourselves.
[12:37] Speaker 2: So, in other words, go fend for yourselves in the
[12:39] Speaker 2: Strait of Hormuz. Now Australia will join more than thirty
[12:43] Speaker 2: other countries in international talks on how to reopen the Strait.
[12:46] Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Miles confirmed Australia's participation in a call
[12:51] Speaker 2: with the likes of the UK and France will occur
[12:53] Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours. He said that on
[12:55] Speaker 2: Sky News this morning. But Trump wants allies to do
[12:58] Speaker 2: their part. Good luck getting Australia on board. Anthony Arberezi
[13:02] Speaker 2: started his speech at the National Press Club today.
[13:05] Speaker 3: With this, Australia is not an active participant in this war.
[13:12] Speaker 2: Really, way to state the obvious. Albo doesn't have the
[13:15] Speaker 2: ticker to make him a leader strong enough to even
[13:18] Speaker 2: lead a war. Now, obviously we don't want war, but
[13:22] Speaker 2: we do need to support our strongest ally, because God forbid,
[13:27] Speaker 2: the shoe was on the other foot. But this PM
[13:30] Speaker 2: doesn't seem to know what that looks like.
[13:33] Speaker 3: Australia wasn't consulted before this began.
[13:37] Speaker 1: The United States.
[13:38] Speaker 3: It's a sovereign state and they are the world's largest economy.
[13:47] Speaker 3: And President Trump, I think we'll continue to make announcements.
[13:54] Speaker 3: What I have said very clearly those that I do
[13:56] Speaker 3: want to see a de escalation. I want there to
[14:01] Speaker 3: be recognition as well, greater clarity about how this ends.
[14:07] Speaker 2: Did you catch that de escalation there? It is Labour's
[14:13] Speaker 2: favorite word, or perhaps it's actually Penny Wong's trusty favorite. Now,
[14:18] Speaker 2: in the last few weeks alone since the war began,
[14:20] Speaker 2: Iran has continued to execute innocent civilians and fired at
[14:24] Speaker 2: Gulf nations. It is dangerous and it has its finger
[14:27] Speaker 2: on the nuclear trigger and must be stopped. It is
[14:30] Speaker 2: equally as imperative that Anthony Aarberanesi supports the US war
[14:34] Speaker 2: against a murderous terrorist regime in Iran who's also, as
[14:38] Speaker 2: you know, responsible for two terror attacks on home soil. Now,
[14:42] Speaker 2: Trump is not just doing this for the US, but
[14:45] Speaker 2: he's doing this for the West, for its allies. And
[14:48] Speaker 2: Trump has already singled out Australia for failing to provide
[14:51] Speaker 2: assistance to secure the Strait of Homus.
[14:55] Speaker 8: Australia do Australia was not great. I'm a little surprised
[14:58] Speaker 8: by Australia.
[15:00] Speaker 2: But Anthony Alberinezi has still failed to come clean about
[15:03] Speaker 2: what requests we've been given. Other than sending a Wedgetawel's
[15:07] Speaker 2: surveillance aircraft and crew to the UAE. But now he's
[15:11] Speaker 2: calling for de escalation despite the threat to us here
[15:15] Speaker 2: at home. Now, Donald Trump needs his strongest allies in
[15:18] Speaker 2: the West around him right now. And all have been
[15:21] Speaker 2: a failure. And Olbow will always take the easy road.
[15:30] Speaker 2: And just quickly, are we about to get a glimpse
[15:33] Speaker 2: of the dark side of the Moon. And no, I
[15:36] Speaker 2: don't mean Pink Floyd's classic album. I'm talking about the
[15:39] Speaker 2: Artemis two mission. NASA has successfully launched this morning, aiming
[15:44] Speaker 2: to send four astronauts on an eight hundred thousand kilometer
[15:48] Speaker 2: journey around the Moon on the furthest manned spaceflight in history.
[15:53] Speaker 10: And here we go ten nine eight seven twenty five
[16:00] Speaker 10: inches four three two one booster, ignition and lift off.
[16:08] Speaker 10: The crew of Artemis two now bound for the.
[16:10] Speaker 5: Moon, three miles in altitude, traveling more than twelve hundred.
[16:15] Speaker 6: Miles per hour.
[16:17] Speaker 2: How good is that? And the four astronauts are now
[16:19] Speaker 2: in orbit around the Earth. But have a look at
[16:22] Speaker 2: these passengers on this flight. Got a pretty cool view.
[16:28] Speaker 2: Oh god, man, I've got to say that's probably the
[16:37] Speaker 2: best seat in the house. But while the launch was historic,
[16:41] Speaker 2: no doubt about it. I think maybe this kid came
[16:45] Speaker 2: pretty close.
[16:47] Speaker 4: Why do you want to be here? Why do you
[16:49] Speaker 4: love space? Why do you love being a part of history?
[16:52] Speaker 1: We're going back to the freaking moon.
[16:54] Speaker 5: That's why.
[16:57] Speaker 2: What an absolute legend that kid. And I bet CNN
[17:01] Speaker 2: didn't expect that one either. As I mentioned at the
[17:10] Speaker 2: top of the show, this fuel crisis is wreaking havoc
[17:12] Speaker 2: across the country, but more so of course for our farmers.
[17:16] Speaker 2: As prices soar and supply dwindles down, pressure is building
[17:19] Speaker 2: on the agricultural sector. Joining me now is WA's Pastoralists
[17:23] Speaker 2: and Grazy As Association president Tony Cbrook. Tony, good to
[17:27] Speaker 2: catch up with you. Thank you very much for joining me.
[17:30] Speaker 2: Before I ask you specifically how things are going out there,
[17:33] Speaker 2: I want to ask you, firstly, did the Prime Minister's
[17:36] Speaker 2: address last night at all easier concerns?
[17:39] Speaker 6: That was a real dishwash presentation, weak as weak as
[17:44] Speaker 6: could be. I don't think the guy has got any
[17:46] Speaker 6: concept of the mess we're in.
[17:47] Speaker 7: And that was pathetic. That's all I could say about it.
[17:50] Speaker 7: Just pathetic.
[17:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think that's a perfect, perfect way
[17:54] Speaker 2: to describe it. It was pathetic. What did you need
[17:57] Speaker 2: to have? What would you have liked to have heard
[17:59] Speaker 2: last night?
[18:00] Speaker 6: I don't think he's got any understanding of what the
[18:02] Speaker 6: crisis looks like. We have started planning our crops over here.
[18:06] Speaker 6: Most of the farms I talk to have got enough
[18:08] Speaker 6: diesel to get started. They're being reassured by a bunch
[18:11] Speaker 6: of fairly well paid politicians, state and federal.
[18:14] Speaker 7: Not to worry. It's in hand.
[18:16] Speaker 6: I think most of us believe to a certain extent
[18:19] Speaker 6: that diesel will keep coming into our country for a
[18:22] Speaker 6: while and we'll keep landing on farm. But our diesel
[18:25] Speaker 6: comes out of Asia, it comes out of Taiwan, it
[18:27] Speaker 6: comes out of Career, comes out of Malaya, petrol out
[18:30] Speaker 6: of Singapore. All of these refineries are being supplied from
[18:33] Speaker 6: the Golf, and the Golf is not supplying us right now.
[18:37] Speaker 6: So the concern we've got is in immediate. It's a
[18:39] Speaker 6: bit further down the track when it comes to spraying
[18:41] Speaker 6: and fertilizing and doing the other work we do with
[18:44] Speaker 6: a crop. But the biggest concern that's driving most of
[18:47] Speaker 6: us is the fertilizer story. We've mostly got enough to
[18:50] Speaker 6: get the crop in the ground, and you can actually
[18:51] Speaker 6: sew a crop without much fertilizer at all. But we
[18:54] Speaker 6: have no assurance whatsoever of any nitrogenis fertilizer coming into
[18:58] Speaker 6: the state and being available to farm like myself. We
[19:01] Speaker 6: are not able to find out what's there or if
[19:03] Speaker 6: we're going to get any, and that is the gravest concern,
[19:05] Speaker 6: because to spend the money to sew a crop and
[19:07] Speaker 6: not be able to fertilize it is a hiding to nowhere.
[19:10] Speaker 2: Well, I was reading the other day that the fertilizer
[19:12] Speaker 2: shortage has reached natural disaster levels, So what does that mean?
[19:17] Speaker 2: And then what's the flow on effect from that?
[19:20] Speaker 6: What we'll probably do with the small amount of fertilizer
[19:23] Speaker 6: we have on farm, and it's nitrogen I'm talking about,
[19:26] Speaker 6: if there isn't a better guarantee moving into the next
[19:29] Speaker 6: three or four weeks, is we'll cut the crop back
[19:31] Speaker 6: to the type or the area that we've got to
[19:34] Speaker 6: put enough fertilizer to just squeak over the line. Now,
[19:37] Speaker 6: if we were to do that, that would mean we'd
[19:38] Speaker 6: saw probably one third of a normal crop. We can
[19:41] Speaker 6: put the whole lot of it in, But if we
[19:42] Speaker 6: can't fertilize it, as I said, it's a hiding to nowhere.
[19:45] Speaker 6: So I think a lot of farmers are very wary
[19:47] Speaker 6: of the fact that to not go and say more
[19:49] Speaker 6: crop than they've got n Trogan's fertilizer to put on.
[19:53] Speaker 6: But the big problem here, Urea is made from natural gas.
[19:57] Speaker 6: We are the world's either first or second or just
[20:00] Speaker 6: exporter of the prime stock that you make your ear
[20:03] Speaker 6: out of. We used to make it here, We used
[20:05] Speaker 6: to refine our fuel here. And to see our government
[20:08] Speaker 6: sanctimonious is standing up and saying we've got you back
[20:11] Speaker 6: and we're fighting.
[20:11] Speaker 7: No, you're not.
[20:12] Speaker 6: You damn will de industrialized the country. We've decreased the
[20:16] Speaker 6: capacity to produce the sort of basic things that we need. Now,
[20:20] Speaker 6: what the hell's a point in spending six hundred, three
[20:22] Speaker 6: hundred and sixty billion dollars on submarines If we're brought
[20:25] Speaker 6: to our knees because we can't provide fuel and fertizer
[20:28] Speaker 6: for ourselves, It's a travesty.
[20:30] Speaker 2: It is a travesty. We are literally doing ourselves a disservice.
[20:35] Speaker 2: And just on that point, because I mean the Prime
[20:36] Speaker 2: Minister was asked about this today. Basically, what are we
[20:39] Speaker 2: going to do to shore up supplies. We are, as
[20:42] Speaker 2: you alluded to, We are sitting on an abundance of
[20:45] Speaker 2: resources in this country. The answer Tony is slapping us
[20:49] Speaker 2: all in the face right now. But labor is on
[20:52] Speaker 2: this renewable energy crusade, this green energy crusade. How confident
[20:58] Speaker 2: are you in the future.
[21:01] Speaker 6: I've been shouting from the rooftops now for nearly twenty years,
[21:04] Speaker 6: but particularly the last ten years about what's happening. I've
[21:06] Speaker 6: alluded so many times to the collapse of our refining industry.
[21:09] Speaker 6: The collaps are manufacturing the collapse of our fertilizer the
[21:13] Speaker 6: governments of the day. And it's not just labor. I'm
[21:15] Speaker 6: the Lible Party just as much to blame. They are
[21:17] Speaker 6: so busy pursuing sort of social programs and feel good
[21:20] Speaker 6: things that they've let our autonomy just fall away. America
[21:23] Speaker 6: put shutter, it's bord us tomorrow, it's self sufficient. They're
[21:25] Speaker 6: laughing at us. We've got uranium, we've got gas, we've
[21:28] Speaker 6: got cold we've got patrolling, we've got everything, and we're
[21:31] Speaker 6: too damn lazy and too inefficient and too badly organized
[21:34] Speaker 6: to use any of it. And on something else you
[21:37] Speaker 6: brought up a few minutes ago about the Golf and
[21:39] Speaker 6: seeking assistance from our government. I'm told that we would
[21:43] Speaker 6: be very lucky to be able to get one ship
[21:45] Speaker 6: there and be able to actually have it come back
[21:47] Speaker 6: again in one piece, because our navy is in such
[21:50] Speaker 6: parlous state.
[21:51] Speaker 7: My father was.
[21:51] Speaker 6: Into Brook during World War Two. We were supplied out
[21:54] Speaker 6: of Alexandria to to Brook by Australian destroyers in the Mediterranean.
[21:59] Speaker 6: How far have we that we could do that back
[22:01] Speaker 6: in nineteen forty and we can't even assist our number
[22:04] Speaker 6: one world ally by sending a ship to the Golf.
[22:07] Speaker 6: This government is getting They're getting away blue murder, and
[22:11] Speaker 6: we ought not to allow them to do that.
[22:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I said, I mean, God forbid. If
[22:15] Speaker 2: the shoe was on the other foot, you know our
[22:17] Speaker 2: first call, our first call would be to the US.
[22:20] Speaker 2: We would want their help, we would need their support.
[22:23] Speaker 2: And yet we've got dithering leaders like Anthony Albanezi, like
[22:27] Speaker 2: UK Prime Minister Kirstarmer. Embarrassing on the world stage.
[22:32] Speaker 6: Happens weak as dishwater, weikas dishwater.
[22:35] Speaker 2: Totally. I completely agree you're over in Wa. Obviously, the
[22:39] Speaker 2: WA Premier Roger Cookie declared a state of emergency yesterday
[22:42] Speaker 2: in response to this fuel crisis. Was that the right move?
[22:46] Speaker 7: Big deal? Big deal? What does a state of emergency do?
[22:51] Speaker 6: When my fuel supply turns up here and fills my
[22:54] Speaker 6: tanks up, that will give me peace of mind?
[22:56] Speaker 7: And when he tells me he's got more for us
[22:58] Speaker 7: to fertilize.
[22:58] Speaker 6: It used to spread our fertilizer and spread our crops.
[23:02] Speaker 6: When I know the fuels here, that will give me
[23:04] Speaker 6: a peace of mind. There are things they can do.
[23:06] Speaker 6: We can buy some patrol them on the spot market.
[23:09] Speaker 6: We can do various things. But the fertilizer story, that's
[23:12] Speaker 6: a wholly different thing. The ships that have got your
[23:15] Speaker 6: ear on board, that were destined to come here are
[23:17] Speaker 6: not coming. Too much of our fertilizer comes out of
[23:20] Speaker 6: the gulf. It's not happening. The chances are rectifying this
[23:24] Speaker 6: fertilizer situation in any time soon, I just can't see
[23:28] Speaker 6: it happening. And this is the issue that's got most
[23:30] Speaker 6: of us really sitting on the edge of our seats.
[23:32] Speaker 2: Well, you know, labor was out there this week saying, oh,
[23:35] Speaker 2: we've cut the fuel excise. Look, we're acting. What does
[23:38] Speaker 2: labor need to do right now, what would help farmers
[23:41] Speaker 2: out the most.
[23:44] Speaker 7: The trouble is, the damage has been done.
[23:46] Speaker 6: The damage was done years ago as we industrialized our country.
[23:50] Speaker 6: I don't know that there's a simple way out of this,
[23:53] Speaker 6: but most of all, let it never happen again. Let
[23:55] Speaker 6: us fast track any company that wants to produce your
[23:58] Speaker 6: ear in our country, anyone that wants to refine product
[24:01] Speaker 6: in our country.
[24:02] Speaker 7: Anyone that's drilling for oil, anyone that's drilling for gas.
[24:05] Speaker 6: Stop the green nonsense, stop the rubbish around environmentalist shutting
[24:08] Speaker 6: down every damn thing, Stop the indigenous blockading. There's so
[24:12] Speaker 6: many of our basic minerals and the feedstocks that we
[24:16] Speaker 6: need to produce what we need to have. There's a
[24:19] Speaker 6: few things we can do in the short term, but
[24:21] Speaker 6: most of us don't really feel that there's any simple solution.
[24:25] Speaker 6: But the one thing I would say to some of
[24:27] Speaker 6: these very well paid bureaucats and very well paid politicians
[24:31] Speaker 6: that are tutting their way around the world stage, come
[24:33] Speaker 6: and live a day in my life. You put your
[24:36] Speaker 6: income on the line the same as mine because you've
[24:39] Speaker 6: caused my problem. We've been telling you about this for
[24:41] Speaker 6: long enough. You've caused the problem. How about you share
[24:43] Speaker 6: some of the pain.
[24:45] Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it's a pretty pretty good message.
[24:47] Speaker 2: And you know, farmers like you, you are the heart
[24:49] Speaker 2: and soul of this country. You feed us and you
[24:52] Speaker 2: are the lifeblood. So it's just such a shame to
[24:55] Speaker 2: see what has happened out in the bush right now,
[24:57] Speaker 2: Tony Cbrook. Great to have you on. Thank you so
[24:59] Speaker 2: much for your time this evening. Really appreciate it. See
[25:02] Speaker 2: you heard it there firsthand, Anthony Albanezi, wake up, stay
[25:06] Speaker 2: with us. After the break, we've had national addresses from
[25:09] Speaker 2: world leaders, including our own. As the focus now turns
[25:12] Speaker 2: to the Strait of Hormuz, I'll dissect that and more
[25:15] Speaker 2: with my panel next. Welcome back to the program. Joining
[25:21] Speaker 2: me now is National Senator Ross Caddell and former Labor
[25:24] Speaker 2: Minister Darren Barneck. Gentlemen geniuses as well.
[25:28] Speaker 11: But I appreciate it.
[25:30] Speaker 2: Not quite.
[25:31] Speaker 11: I wasn't in part.
[25:32] Speaker 2: Not quite. I do apologize for that one. But Darren,
[25:34] Speaker 2: we've given you a we've given you a tonight mention,
[25:37] Speaker 2: not the new one. Well, exactly what's that? That's exactly
[25:40] Speaker 2: what That's what we got. We gave you that title Tonight.
[25:42] Speaker 2: So I appreciate that, do apologize. Look, we've got to
[25:44] Speaker 2: start with Donald Trump's address here. I went through my
[25:47] Speaker 2: points about this before, Darren curious to get yours. What
[25:51] Speaker 2: did you take away from it?
[25:54] Speaker 11: All I got to say is is that as underwhelming
[25:56] Speaker 11: as our Prime minister's speech might have been, look like
[25:59] Speaker 11: the Gettysburger trey against Donald Trump. So look, Trump, I
[26:03] Speaker 11: can't figure out what he's trying to achieve. In general.
[26:06] Speaker 11: I can't figure out what he's trying to achieve with Iran.
[26:09] Speaker 11: He's trying to play domestic audiences. Obviously he's got mid
[26:13] Speaker 11: terms and he's got some polling dramas. But for us
[26:17] Speaker 11: on the other side of the world, what he said,
[26:20] Speaker 11: he has still got the most important job in the world,
[26:23] Speaker 11: and everything follows. Markets follow good will follows. Our political
[26:29] Speaker 11: responses are a direct result of what the President tells us.
[26:34] Speaker 11: And I'm just not clear on what the next little
[26:36] Speaker 11: period of time looks like. And that makes it hard
[26:39] Speaker 11: that your previous guests talking about the availability of diesel
[26:43] Speaker 11: in Western Australia, no one's got any certainty from sort
[26:46] Speaker 11: of Easter onwards, will we have petrol?
[26:49] Speaker 7: Will it be?
[26:50] Speaker 11: Is it going to be a two week war or
[26:51] Speaker 11: four week war.
[26:52] Speaker 2: It seems to think it's going to wrap up in
[26:53] Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks.
[26:54] Speaker 11: Does that give you any But I don't know how
[26:56] Speaker 11: he does that and then saves face, and then there's
[26:59] Speaker 11: a whole bunch of things that are consequential to him
[27:01] Speaker 11: pulling out. It's unclear how that's going to be done.
[27:04] Speaker 11: So I just don't think he added certainty. And at
[27:07] Speaker 11: the moment we all need some certainty and some leadership
[27:10] Speaker 11: and some clarity.
[27:11] Speaker 2: And I leadship. Leadership. Yeah, we'll speaking of leadership. I mean,
[27:14] Speaker 2: and I'm going to get into Alba in a minute.
[27:15] Speaker 2: I'm curious on your thoughts. But ross, like I thought,
[27:18] Speaker 2: if you read between the lines of that speech, he
[27:21] Speaker 2: virtually hit out allies, basically saying, well, go fend for
[27:23] Speaker 2: yourselves in the straight up was the US doesn't need
[27:26] Speaker 2: the straight for its own oil. The Prime Minister today
[27:29] Speaker 2: called for de escalation, one of Labour's favorite lines, de escalation.
[27:33] Speaker 2: But how would you rate the Prime minister's handling of
[27:36] Speaker 2: Iran in a time where we are being relied upon
[27:40] Speaker 2: by our allies.
[27:42] Speaker 5: Well, this is what we're talking about here, is not
[27:44] Speaker 5: the crisis crisis. It was nothing that was fine, and
[27:47] Speaker 5: suddenly we're all blowing up. Clearly, we don't have the
[27:49] Speaker 5: force projection to be able to send anything over there,
[27:51] Speaker 5: a meaningful things to protect the straight we cent a
[27:53] Speaker 5: wegtail and if you staff, and I'm supportive of that,
[27:56] Speaker 5: but what could Australia you do in this situation to
[27:59] Speaker 5: assist this in The answer is not a lot, because
[28:01] Speaker 5: we've cut our defense forces KA capability so long. So
[28:05] Speaker 5: the answer is yeah, we've made ourselves depended upon those
[28:08] Speaker 5: places that can't be relied upon. Exactly as Tony said
[28:12] Speaker 5: from Western Australia, this is.
[28:14] Speaker 4: Long time in the making. It is twenty years in
[28:16] Speaker 4: the making.
[28:17] Speaker 5: We're finally here and we're seeing what a say, boy
[28:20] Speaker 5: of the OECD, we are a joke. We are a
[28:23] Speaker 5: nation where our future it sits right under our feet,
[28:26] Speaker 5: where our prosperity sits under our feet.
[28:28] Speaker 4: And we're too scared to take it.
[28:29] Speaker 5: So when Donald says, come and get it, we can't
[28:31] Speaker 5: do that because we can't even get the stuff that's
[28:33] Speaker 5: under our feet.
[28:34] Speaker 2: No. I said, we're sitting on an abundance of resources
[28:38] Speaker 2: right now. And Darren just on that point because Australia
[28:41] Speaker 2: will join thirty five nations overnight to discuss solutions to
[28:46] Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz. But based on what Donald Trump
[28:51] Speaker 2: said today, I mean reading between the lines, it was
[28:53] Speaker 2: as if to say, fend for yourselves. Have we been
[28:56] Speaker 2: given the flick? Well, how do you read this?
[28:58] Speaker 11: I think NATO has been given the flick and we've
[29:00] Speaker 11: been given the flick. And that does lead to some
[29:03] Speaker 11: concerns ucus the three main players, or the three players
[29:06] Speaker 11: being the British, ourselves and the US. But if I
[29:10] Speaker 11: was in Europe, and whether I was in Britain or
[29:13] Speaker 11: mainland Europe, they're the ones who were the real target.
[29:15] Speaker 11: That basically he's saying, finn for yourselves, and that's a
[29:19] Speaker 11: pretty distinct change from obviously World War two and beyond.
[29:24] Speaker 11: It's been a very tight operation. So look, we are
[29:28] Speaker 11: in a way, we're collateral damage. We're on the other
[29:30] Speaker 11: side of the world. We're not expected to be playing
[29:32] Speaker 11: a central role. But we do need to keep an
[29:34] Speaker 11: eye on what our too closest allies, being Britain in
[29:37] Speaker 11: the US. What they're up to is Britain going to
[29:40] Speaker 11: have to pivot back to mainland Europe and be a
[29:42] Speaker 11: much bigger part of NATO than they were recently or historically.
[29:47] Speaker 11: We don't know, so once again it goes back to
[29:50] Speaker 11: that question of certainty. But yeah, I don't think we're
[29:53] Speaker 11: not main players and all of this, but Europe certainly
[29:56] Speaker 11: is well.
[29:56] Speaker 2: Look, it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
[29:58] Speaker 2: I mean, certainly Donald T. Trump hasn't been shy about
[30:01] Speaker 2: his feelings towards his allies. That that's for sure.
[30:04] Speaker 11: He's really about it the whole time he's been president.
[30:07] Speaker 2: No, No, he has it. I mean he's certainly been
[30:09] Speaker 2: hitting out at Keir Starmer in particular. Look, we've got
[30:12] Speaker 2: to talk about Anthony Arberesi's address to the nation where
[30:15] Speaker 2: while he told us everything but nothing, three minutes of
[30:17] Speaker 2: our lives that will never get back. We did hear
[30:20] Speaker 2: from the opposition leader tonight, Angus Taylor, he delivered his
[30:23] Speaker 2: own address. Have a look at this.
[30:26] Speaker 12: Initially the government denied there was a crisis. Then after
[30:30] Speaker 12: admitting there was a problem, it failed to act with urgency.
[30:35] Speaker 12: The only thing the government has fueled is confusion. Urgent
[30:38] Speaker 12: action is needed to protect our way of life and
[30:40] Speaker 12: to restore our standard of living, and that requires.
[30:43] Speaker 2: Leadership ross a lot of speeches here and there, the
[30:47] Speaker 2: Prime Minister Angus Taylor. What is your take on what's
[30:51] Speaker 2: happened mean between the Prime minister last night? But do
[30:54] Speaker 2: you think that Angus Taylor lived up to the expectations.
[30:58] Speaker 4: It's really hard to do it because people have words
[31:01] Speaker 4: to go.
[31:01] Speaker 5: I think that we need actions and we can go
[31:04] Speaker 5: do all the speeches we want.
[31:05] Speaker 4: I think clearly there's some.
[31:07] Speaker 5: Key points there that Anger said and is right about
[31:10] Speaker 5: our future and what we need to do. But to me,
[31:12] Speaker 5: Elbows was a massive I'm out of office till tuesday speech.
[31:15] Speaker 5: Yes there's a problem, don't blame me. I'll talk to
[31:16] Speaker 5: you on Tuesday. Didn't cut it with the public, and
[31:19] Speaker 5: they shouldn't come it with the public. This we need answers,
[31:22] Speaker 5: and I go back to this. This is not necessarily
[31:25] Speaker 5: a problem of the Labor Party by itself. Ever since
[31:27] Speaker 5: the Green's had the balance of power in the Senate.
[31:30] Speaker 5: This is what we do. We count out to and
[31:32] Speaker 5: we make ourselves weaker. This week we just GILLOTEAM twenty
[31:36] Speaker 5: two bills so they could have a select inquiry into
[31:39] Speaker 5: the gas industry and cry and get their gas tax up.
[31:42] Speaker 5: We are making Australia weaker while we're going through this
[31:45] Speaker 5: damn thing and words day cut it anymore.
[31:47] Speaker 4: We need someone in power who's going to get in
[31:49] Speaker 4: and do that.
[31:50] Speaker 5: Do what Matt says, do it, and he says, drill, baby, drill,
[31:53] Speaker 5: make Australia safe in our own world.
[31:55] Speaker 4: And until we see that, action just doesn't matter anymore.
[31:59] Speaker 2: I completely agree with the Otherwise of the next crisis,
[32:01] Speaker 2: we're still going to be sitting on our hands wondering
[32:03] Speaker 2: what on earth we have to do. Darren, did the
[32:05] Speaker 2: Prime Minister squander his big moment last night?
[32:07] Speaker 5: Well?
[32:07] Speaker 11: I think what he was trying to do was reassure
[32:09] Speaker 11: Australians not to panic and that this thing will take
[32:14] Speaker 11: an amount of time to fix. We're not quite sure
[32:17] Speaker 11: how long that will be.
[32:18] Speaker 2: So you thought the speech was reasonable, Look, my.
[32:21] Speaker 11: Question would be more, what was the benefit of the
[32:24] Speaker 11: timing of the speech. I thought the content of the
[32:26] Speaker 11: speech was fine, but I'm not sure why it was
[32:29] Speaker 11: last night rather than a week ago, or rather than
[32:31] Speaker 11: after Easter. There was not really a central point to
[32:35] Speaker 11: it that made me think, oh, I have to know
[32:39] Speaker 11: about this right now. It wasn't a right now speech.
[32:42] Speaker 11: It was a Stump speech of sorts.
[32:44] Speaker 2: But he gave us eight hours warning and we're all
[32:46] Speaker 2: sitting on the edge of our seats going, oh gosh,
[32:48] Speaker 2: it must be. I mean, it's very rare to have
[32:49] Speaker 2: a national address, isn't it. And then we're all waiting
[32:52] Speaker 2: for it.
[32:52] Speaker 7: We haven't got them.
[32:54] Speaker 2: Is that it?
[32:54] Speaker 11: Rud did a couple in the GFC. Presumably Scott Morrison
[32:58] Speaker 11: did something COVID. I don't remember them. They are a
[33:01] Speaker 11: rare occurrence, so people do pay attention. That's true.
[33:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what I mean. You know, we waited
[33:06] Speaker 2: eight hours and we got three minutes and seventeen seconds
[33:08] Speaker 2: of our lives that I'm not sure any of us
[33:10] Speaker 2: are ever going to get back, this's for sure. But
[33:12] Speaker 2: my favorite today was the Prime Minister at the National
[33:14] Speaker 2: Press Club blaming misinformation and conspiracy theories for the reason
[33:18] Speaker 2: why he gave that speech last night. Extraordinary. Just to
[33:21] Speaker 2: your point, Ross, there's a new poll out Australian's back
[33:24] Speaker 2: investing domestic fuel production and refining capacity over cutting the
[33:28] Speaker 2: fuel excises a way to tackle this. Have a look
[33:30] Speaker 2: at this polling from Freshwater Strategy. It found that a majority,
[33:34] Speaker 2: so fifty nine percent of voters are dissatisfied with the
[33:36] Speaker 2: government's fuel crisis response, but evenly split thirty three to
[33:40] Speaker 2: thirty percent on the conflict itself. But the most popular
[33:43] Speaker 2: way to cut fuel prices was investing in domestic fuel
[33:46] Speaker 2: production and refining, which was backed by forty six percent
[33:50] Speaker 2: of those polls. So still not over the line, but
[33:52] Speaker 2: still forty six percent ross. As you said, it's time
[33:55] Speaker 2: to drill, baby, drill, is it not.
[33:59] Speaker 5: Believe were looking at some pollingy' I'll tell you from
[34:01] Speaker 5: the inside the room we were talking about earlier this week,
[34:04] Speaker 5: forty percent of Greens voters.
[34:06] Speaker 4: Want us to go out and drill more.
[34:07] Speaker 7: That's an amazing.
[34:10] Speaker 5: I can't believe that one. But yeah, look, this is
[34:14] Speaker 5: why we're seeing the exchange in right around the world.
[34:16] Speaker 5: It's no good to have these great feelings and everything
[34:19] Speaker 5: like that. And Darren, I'm sure you would have written
[34:21] Speaker 5: a better speech if you're still in the office and
[34:24] Speaker 5: what came out last night.
[34:25] Speaker 4: But we just have to do it. And it's okay.
[34:29] Speaker 5: These poles say, this is what people want, this is
[34:31] Speaker 5: what they expect.
[34:32] Speaker 4: They've wanted it for a long time.
[34:33] Speaker 5: I came on last week and I spoke about we're
[34:35] Speaker 5: running out of the urea to make the glue that
[34:37] Speaker 5: holds particle board together for kitchens and other constructions. Well,
[34:41] Speaker 5: labors found a way to fix that. We won't run
[34:43] Speaker 5: out of that. We've run out of polypipe before that.
[34:45] Speaker 5: So a plumber made Joey and Kathy down in Sydney.
[34:47] Speaker 5: They were telling me that they can't get polypipe to
[34:50] Speaker 5: put the plumbing under slabs anymore. So instead of ten
[34:52] Speaker 5: slabs a week, they're doing two. We just need to
[34:55] Speaker 5: get these sticks. It's a rubbish situation. So yeah, the
[34:59] Speaker 5: polling says exact what we know, not talking do something.
[35:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look absolutely and just on this motorists could
[35:06] Speaker 2: see petrol prices fall by about another sixth sense eliter
[35:10] Speaker 2: after the premiers and Chief Ministers agreed to a change
[35:13] Speaker 2: to the GST on unleaded and diesel. Darren, is this
[35:17] Speaker 2: not just another band aid solution. We're talking about drill baby, hundred.
[35:21] Speaker 11: Percent band aid solution. But that's politics. That's trying to
[35:24] Speaker 11: calm the nerves of people before easter. It's trying to
[35:27] Speaker 11: just keep a lid on tensions and people thinking they
[35:30] Speaker 11: need jerry cans and to fill up and keep it
[35:33] Speaker 11: in their garage. We've got to try and keep a
[35:35] Speaker 11: lid on that because we just don't know how long
[35:37] Speaker 11: this conflict's going to go. I sincerely hope it's over
[35:40] Speaker 11: in the next couple of weeks, but it will then
[35:42] Speaker 11: take some months for things to recover to normals.
[35:45] Speaker 2: Do you support drill Baby Drill?
[35:47] Speaker 11: As Ross and I discussed last week on the show.
[35:50] Speaker 11: I did a lot of work for the unions, probably
[35:52] Speaker 11: about a decade ago into PRRT change and fuel security
[35:57] Speaker 11: that we looked at all of this. At that time
[36:00] Speaker 11: it was about eight billion dollars a year, sorry, about
[36:02] Speaker 11: eight billion dollars to get refineries up to spec. It's
[36:06] Speaker 11: now three times that amount. So public sentiment is on
[36:09] Speaker 11: the side of that, but the startup cost for us
[36:12] Speaker 11: to refine here on large scale is very large. We
[36:16] Speaker 11: probably need to use the resources that we have, so
[36:19] Speaker 11: that's l INNG and if we use that more broadly
[36:22] Speaker 11: in Australia, and also some security about the vessels that
[36:26] Speaker 11: go to and from the mega refineries to ensure that
[36:29] Speaker 11: we keep supply when there are threats such as the
[36:32] Speaker 11: one that we're in now.
[36:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, something has to happen, right as we've
[36:35] Speaker 2: been saying we are sitting on the answer. The answer
[36:38] Speaker 2: is not in our face energy security, Well exactly, we
[36:41] Speaker 2: shouldn't have to be relying on anyone else. So I mean,
[36:43] Speaker 2: surely this is the wake up call we need. The
[36:46] Speaker 2: Prime Minister today announced major gambling advertisement reforms. I mean,
[36:50] Speaker 2: I'm personally questioning the timing of this in the middle
[36:52] Speaker 2: of a crisis. Don't know why this was a priority,
[36:54] Speaker 2: but anyway, under the changes, gambling ads would be partially
[36:56] Speaker 2: restricted on television and radio, with opt out rules for
[37:00] Speaker 2: online promotions, and ads will be banned in stadiums and
[37:03] Speaker 2: on jerseys and jumpers. Now, Ross, look, I think I'm
[37:07] Speaker 2: not opposed to say, you know, gambling in general, because
[37:10] Speaker 2: in the end, people need to take their own personal responsibility.
[37:13] Speaker 2: I understand the harm that comes with advertising, so I'm
[37:17] Speaker 2: not necessarily opposed to this. But my question is why, now,
[37:22] Speaker 2: who is talking about gambling reform in the middle of
[37:25] Speaker 2: a crisis.
[37:26] Speaker 5: Well, it's taken almost freeze to get to this point.
[37:29] Speaker 5: System if you report was handed down, so normally these
[37:31] Speaker 5: things are responded to in three months or six months.
[37:33] Speaker 5: It's been three years, so you're exactly right on the
[37:35] Speaker 5: timing being a bit weird on this, and it's got
[37:38] Speaker 5: something that everyone hates. The anti gambling people out there
[37:41] Speaker 5: hating and already we've got some real problems with it.
[37:44] Speaker 4: I'm a bit personally torn.
[37:45] Speaker 5: My first job was with Mum and Dad's tav and
[37:47] Speaker 5: I've been a sponsorship. They need do the Mighty Newcastle Night,
[37:50] Speaker 5: so they're going to hurt on those jerseys a little
[37:52] Speaker 5: bit there.
[37:52] Speaker 4: But there is people that gambling harm.
[37:54] Speaker 5: The devil will be in the detail of this is
[37:57] Speaker 5: outlined it and said well no more in the response
[37:59] Speaker 5: in a few days time.
[38:00] Speaker 4: But it was get it out the door.
[38:02] Speaker 2: You know.
[38:02] Speaker 5: Imagine waiting three years for something so quickly to get
[38:05] Speaker 5: it out in the middle of a crisis. It's a
[38:08] Speaker 5: bit if you will see what happens. But the devil
[38:10] Speaker 5: will be the detail. Will our sporting codes be able
[38:13] Speaker 5: to get it? Will our TV sasions? You know, our
[38:15] Speaker 5: journalism is such under threat because of new media, will
[38:18] Speaker 5: they be able to be this cuts because you've got
[38:20] Speaker 5: to look at the consequences of this might help some people.
[38:22] Speaker 4: And I get that. I want to help them too,
[38:24] Speaker 4: but let's see what happens.
[38:26] Speaker 2: No, Look, I agree, the devil's going to be the detail.
[38:28] Speaker 2: But of course it was dropped in the middle of
[38:30] Speaker 2: a crisis, in the day before a public holiday long weekend, Darren,
[38:33] Speaker 2: good or bad policy.
[38:35] Speaker 11: I think they needed to get it out the door,
[38:37] Speaker 11: and they've chosen the least worst time to do it.
[38:42] Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the best time.
[38:43] Speaker 11: Is it in terms of if you look at my
[38:46] Speaker 11: old job as being a press secretary, you try and
[38:48] Speaker 11: make the most of the good ones and try to
[38:50] Speaker 11: minimize the bad ones. This was never going to be
[38:53] Speaker 11: a good story, so you put it out on daylight today.
[38:55] Speaker 2: It's typical pr isn't it. This is politics and pr
[38:58] Speaker 2: one o one just lip it in. They normally do
[39:00] Speaker 2: it on a Friday at four pm.
[39:01] Speaker 11: That's Friday, is a holiday.
[39:02] Speaker 2: Would have been to exactly they would have quietly popped
[39:05] Speaker 2: this one out tomorrow and hope that it are over
[39:07] Speaker 2: overrides everything else going on. And now I'm going to
[39:10] Speaker 2: ask you both. You you ever been to a drive
[39:11] Speaker 2: in when I was a kid, when you were a kid. Yeah, Well,
[39:15] Speaker 2: the infamous drive in is made famous by the movie Grease.
[39:18] Speaker 2: Have a look understanding, don't worry about no please watch it. Yes,
[39:30] Speaker 2: some eleven at the drive in well, guess what they're
[39:32] Speaker 2: in decline. Australia once enjoyed the third highest number of
[39:36] Speaker 2: drive in cinemas in the world, behind only the US
[39:38] Speaker 2: and Canada. At their peak in the late seventies, there
[39:41] Speaker 2: were three hundred and thirty operating nationwide. Today the numbers
[39:44] Speaker 2: in single digits. In the Ipswich suburb of Tua, the
[39:48] Speaker 2: Tivoli drive in Movie Theater was one of the latest
[39:50] Speaker 2: to close on Friday, the twenty seventh of feb Ross
[39:54] Speaker 2: Were you a fan of the drive ins?
[39:56] Speaker 5: In fact, there was a drive in ahead and greeted
[39:59] Speaker 5: just the other road from our It was maybe a
[40:00] Speaker 5: kilometer away, and they had the best advertising slogan I've
[40:03] Speaker 5: ever heard. If you don't like the movie, you can
[40:05] Speaker 5: slash your seats. And it was a great little place.
[40:08] Speaker 5: Is still going up there and I think enclacement of homes.
[40:12] Speaker 4: We'll get to it sooner or later.
[40:14] Speaker 5: But look, yes, the drivings were somewhere, as I said,
[40:16] Speaker 5: just a kilometer from the farm.
[40:18] Speaker 4: We could see what was going on there.
[40:19] Speaker 5: We couldn't hear it all the time, but yes, more
[40:21] Speaker 5: than once, it's some great experiences.
[40:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, what a shame. I feel down, like social media,
[40:27] Speaker 2: you know, scrolling, it's all just overtaken.
[40:29] Speaker 11: I think the land is worth too much now. It's
[40:31] Speaker 11: a bit like caravan parks have as many as we
[40:33] Speaker 11: used to particularly need the sea, the seashore, and world's changed.
[40:39] Speaker 11: It's unfortunate, but the land's worth too much money.
[40:43] Speaker 2: Life goes on, does it, But life moves on in
[40:45] Speaker 2: very very different ways. Ross Cornell, Darren Barnett, We've had
[40:48] Speaker 2: a great night. Thank you very much for joining me.
[40:49] Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. I'll stay with us. Coming up after
[40:52] Speaker 2: the break life to Rome to chat with our friend
[40:55] Speaker 2: Colin Flynn ahead of the popes impending Eastern message. That's next.
[41:03] Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Well it is that time
[41:06] Speaker 2: of the week again where we check in with our
[41:08] Speaker 2: friend Colm Flynn, who is in Rome for one of
[41:11] Speaker 2: the most beautiful and symbolic times of the year at
[41:13] Speaker 2: the Vatican Easter. And of course this year there's even
[41:16] Speaker 2: more interest as people look ahead to Pope Leo the
[41:19] Speaker 2: fourteenth Easter message. Calm, wonderful to see you again. Thanks
[41:23] Speaker 2: so much for joining us on the show. What is
[41:25] Speaker 2: used to like at the Vatican?
[41:28] Speaker 13: Hey, Dinika has so great to talk to you again
[41:30] Speaker 13: and congratulations on a great show.
[41:32] Speaker 1: I've been watching for the past half hour. And you
[41:34] Speaker 1: know what, it's.
[41:35] Speaker 13: Such a beautiful time of the year to be here
[41:38] Speaker 13: in the Holy City and to be working at the
[41:40] Speaker 13: smallest nation state in the world, Vatican City State.
[41:43] Speaker 1: Because we know that for.
[41:45] Speaker 13: Catholics, but for Christians all over the world, this is
[41:48] Speaker 13: the most important.
[41:49] Speaker 1: Time in the liturgical calendar, because.
[41:51] Speaker 13: For believers, this is what it's all about, the message
[41:55] Speaker 13: of Jesus, the Easter message, the core of the Gospel,
[41:58] Speaker 13: Jesus dying on the cross and good friend and then
[42:00] Speaker 13: rising from the dead on Easter Sunday, and all that
[42:03] Speaker 13: that represents the profound life message and the message of hope.
[42:08] Speaker 13: That's really it.
[42:09] Speaker 1: It's a message of hope for all of us.
[42:11] Speaker 13: But I can tell you that on Sunday, Easter Sunday,
[42:14] Speaker 13: Pope Leo will be taking to Saint Peter's Square and
[42:16] Speaker 13: what will be a beautiful ceremony watched by tens of
[42:19] Speaker 13: thousands in the square from all over the world, but
[42:21] Speaker 13: also millions watching around the globe and television. And not
[42:25] Speaker 13: only will he have the Vatican Band playing, the Swiss
[42:28] Speaker 13: Guards standing to attention, you will have the Vatican Choir
[42:31] Speaker 13: singing out under.
[42:32] Speaker 1: The Italian sun. But then you also have like.
[42:35] Speaker 13: The beautiful flowers in front of Saint Peter's Basilica each
[42:38] Speaker 13: year that they're donated from companies in the Netherlands who
[42:41] Speaker 13: are one of the biggest exporters of flowers here in Europe.
[42:44] Speaker 13: And the whole thing is extremely beautiful, but of course,
[42:47] Speaker 13: as we know, also deeply symbolic and meaningful.
[42:51] Speaker 1: Dianka, well, I mean it.
[42:53] Speaker 2: Just sounds absolutely beautiful. You're almost making me jealous. Calm
[42:56] Speaker 2: that I'm over here in Australia and you're in that
[42:59] Speaker 2: the beautiful right, and look, we know that you know,
[43:02] Speaker 2: there's so many people watching this. This is a big
[43:04] Speaker 2: moment and an important chance, I would say, for the
[43:07] Speaker 2: Pope to really deliver a message in this time of
[43:11] Speaker 2: crisis the world's in. What is that likely to be?
[43:14] Speaker 2: Do you think?
[43:15] Speaker 13: Yeah, it's interesting because when we look at what's happening
[43:18] Speaker 13: in the world today, you look at like even you know,
[43:19] Speaker 13: the United States and Israeli's war in Iran going into
[43:23] Speaker 13: its second month. We have Russia and the war in
[43:25] Speaker 13: Ukraine four years now, a conflict in the Holy Land,
[43:29] Speaker 13: and all the conflicts across Africa that we sometimes forget.
[43:32] Speaker 13: I think the Pope is really going to use this
[43:34] Speaker 13: occasion to call for peace. You know, he's not a
[43:39] Speaker 13: political head, He's a spiritual head. And that's one of
[43:41] Speaker 13: the reasons why the Vatican is an independent nation because
[43:45] Speaker 13: throughout history they try and stay out politically of all
[43:48] Speaker 13: wars around the world and divisions and conflicts. So if
[43:51] Speaker 13: they remain independent, the Pope can use his spiritual voice
[43:54] Speaker 13: to just be that person in the world who keeps
[43:57] Speaker 13: calling for peace at every turn. In fact, Palm Sunday,
[44:00] Speaker 13: the beginning of Holy Week, that was last Sunday, the
[44:03] Speaker 13: Pope and his sermon, he made a very strong appeal.
[44:06] Speaker 13: He said that remember when Jesus was going into Jerusalem
[44:10] Speaker 13: and the PAMs were being put down for him to
[44:12] Speaker 13: walk on, which would be in today's equivalent of getting
[44:15] Speaker 13: the red carpet. He knew that in just a few
[44:17] Speaker 13: days he would go from being a vip and being
[44:19] Speaker 13: welcomed in to being a criminal, convicted to crucifixion and death.
[44:24] Speaker 13: And even in the midst of the darkness and the
[44:26] Speaker 13: violence that he knew was coming towards him, he called
[44:29] Speaker 13: himself the King of Peace and he kept appealing for peace.
[44:32] Speaker 13: The Pope said, we need to hear that in today's world.
[44:34] Speaker 13: And also it's a very interesting Danika because in conflicts
[44:38] Speaker 13: around the world like the United States, Israel, Iran, and
[44:41] Speaker 13: Russia Ukraine, many political leaders have used religion and faith
[44:45] Speaker 13: to justify their actions. And the Pope made a pointed
[44:49] Speaker 13: statement last week he said God doesn't hear the prayers
[44:52] Speaker 13: of those who wage war. In fact, he ignores those prayers.
[44:56] Speaker 13: So remember, this is the first time that Pope Leo,
[44:58] Speaker 13: or first American Pope, has had this Easter celebration, so
[45:02] Speaker 13: the world will be watching to see what he will
[45:04] Speaker 13: say on Easter Sunday. But we're expecting that he will
[45:07] Speaker 13: continue that strong message of peace because, as you mentioned,
[45:11] Speaker 13: so many people watching. He speaks every week at the
[45:14] Speaker 13: Vatican and we often talk about it here on the show.
[45:16] Speaker 13: What makes Easter different is the profound meaning behind it
[45:19] Speaker 13: and the extra millions of people watching around the world.
[45:23] Speaker 13: So it's a very important time for the Pope to speak.
[45:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, millions will be watching and I guess hanging on
[45:28] Speaker 2: to his every word. As I said it, particularly in
[45:30] Speaker 2: this time of crisis, people need a bit of hope
[45:33] Speaker 2: and something that they can hang on to and looking back,
[45:37] Speaker 2: calm I remember because this was also a very emotional
[45:41] Speaker 2: time last year. It was the day after Easter that
[45:45] Speaker 2: Pope Francis passed away. In fact, Easter was one of
[45:47] Speaker 2: the last times he was seeing publicly, was it not.
[45:51] Speaker 13: Yeah, that's and Daniki, this is the first time that
[45:53] Speaker 13: you and I met, and every all my good colleagues
[45:56] Speaker 13: now at Sky News was when we saw this very
[45:59] Speaker 13: timeline year, Pope Francis come to the balcony, the main
[46:02] Speaker 13: balcony in front of Saint Peter's Basilica that you can
[46:04] Speaker 13: see there on your screen, and we were not expecting
[46:08] Speaker 13: to see him because he had been so sick. He
[46:10] Speaker 13: couldn't preside over any of the Easter celebrations across Holy Week,
[46:14] Speaker 13: but we know now that he had said to his
[46:17] Speaker 13: personal aid and secretary, I want to go to the
[46:19] Speaker 13: balcony one last time. He came out and he gave
[46:22] Speaker 13: these profound words, which was the Easter message. He said
[46:26] Speaker 13: that we know as Christians that death is not the
[46:28] Speaker 13: final word, that there is life after death.
[46:31] Speaker 1: He said, we know that good prevails over evil, and
[46:34] Speaker 1: light over darkness.
[46:36] Speaker 13: And just a number of hours later, the following morning
[46:39] Speaker 13: after Easter Sunday, he passed away peacefully in his room inside.
[46:44] Speaker 1: The Apostolic Palace.
[46:45] Speaker 13: So it was profoundly meaning for him to deliver that
[46:47] Speaker 13: last message to the world, and that memory will be
[46:51] Speaker 13: brought into Saint Peter's Square. I'm sure that the Pope
[46:54] Speaker 13: will reference that as he now presides over his first
[46:57] Speaker 13: Easter here at the Vatican in the middle of Rome.
[47:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he definitely will reference it. Colem Flynn.
[47:03] Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you for
[47:05] Speaker 2: joining us, and a happy Easter to you and your family,
[47:08] Speaker 2: and I look forward to speaking to you again at
[47:11] Speaker 2: some point. Thank you very much for your time.
[47:13] Speaker 13: Thank you so much to Nikka, and happy Easter to
[47:15] Speaker 13: you and everyone watching.
[47:17] Speaker 2: Thank you well still to come. My final thought, what
[47:20] Speaker 2: did the late Queen Elizabeth really think of Megan? Well
[47:23] Speaker 2: find out next Welcome back to the program. While it
[47:30] Speaker 2: is that time of the week again where we check
[47:32] Speaker 2: in with our friend Colem Flynn, who is in Rome
[47:35] Speaker 2: for one of the most beautiful and symbolic times of
[47:38] Speaker 2: the year at the Vatican Easter, and of course this
[47:40] Speaker 2: year there's even more interest as people look ahead to
[47:43] Speaker 2: Pope Leo the fourteenth Easter Message. Colm, wonderful to see
[47:47] Speaker 2: you again. Thanks so much for joining us on the show.
[47:50] Speaker 2: What is Easter Like at the Vatican?
[47:53] Speaker 13: Hey, Dinika, is so great to talk to you again,
[47:55] Speaker 13: and congratulations on a great show.
[47:57] Speaker 1: I've been watching for the past half hour.
[47:58] Speaker 13: And what It's such a beautiful time of the year
[48:02] Speaker 13: to be here in the Holy City and to be
[48:05] Speaker 13: working at the smallest nation state in the world, Vatican
[48:07] Speaker 13: City State. Because we know that for Catholics, but for
[48:11] Speaker 13: Christians all over the world, this is the most important
[48:14] Speaker 13: time in the liturgical calendar, because for believers, this is
[48:17] Speaker 13: what it's all about. The message of Jesus, the Easter message,
[48:21] Speaker 13: the core of the Gospel, Jesus dying on the cross
[48:24] Speaker 13: on Good Friday and then rising from the dead on
[48:27] Speaker 13: Easter Sunday, and all that that represents, the profound life
[48:32] Speaker 13: message and the message of hope. That's really it. It's
[48:34] Speaker 13: a message of hope for all of us. But I
[48:36] Speaker 13: can tell you that on Sunday, Easter Sunday, Pope Leo
[48:39] Speaker 13: will be taking to Saint Peter's Square and what will
[48:41] Speaker 13: be a beautiful ceremony watched by tens of thousands in
[48:45] Speaker 13: the square from all over the world, but also millions
[48:47] Speaker 13: watching around the globe and television. And not only will
[48:51] Speaker 13: he have the Vatican band playing the Swiss Guards standing
[48:54] Speaker 13: to attention, you will have the Vatican Choir singing out under.
[48:57] Speaker 1: The Italian sun.
[48:59] Speaker 13: But then you also have the beautiful flowers in front
[49:01] Speaker 13: of Saint Peter's Basilica. Each year they're donated from companies
[49:05] Speaker 13: in the Netherlands who are one of the biggest exporters
[49:08] Speaker 13: of flowers here in Europe. And the whole thing is
[49:10] Speaker 13: extremely beautiful, but of course, as we know, also deeply
[49:14] Speaker 13: symbolic and meaningful.
[49:16] Speaker 2: Dianka, well, I mean it just sounds absolutely beautiful. You're
[49:19] Speaker 2: almost making me jealous, calm that I'm over here in
[49:22] Speaker 2: Australia and you're in the beautiful Rome and look, we
[49:26] Speaker 2: know that you know, there's so many people watching this.
[49:28] Speaker 2: This is a big moment and an important chance, I
[49:31] Speaker 2: would say, for the Pope to really deliver a message
[49:34] Speaker 2: in this time of crisis the world's in. What is
[49:37] Speaker 2: that likely to be? Do you think?
[49:40] Speaker 13: Yeah, it's interesting because when we look at what's happening
[49:43] Speaker 13: in the world today, you look at like even you know,
[49:45] Speaker 13: the United States and Israeli's war in Iran going into.
[49:48] Speaker 1: Its second month.
[49:49] Speaker 13: We have Russia and the war in Ukraine four years now,
[49:52] Speaker 13: a conflict in the Holy Land, and all the conflicts
[49:55] Speaker 13: across Africa that we sometimes forget. I think the Pope
[49:58] Speaker 13: is really going to use this occasion to call for peace.
[50:02] Speaker 13: You know, he's not a political head, He's a spiritual head.
[50:06] Speaker 13: And that's one of the reasons why the Vatican is
[50:08] Speaker 13: an independent nation because throughout history they try and stay
[50:12] Speaker 13: out politically of all wars around the world and divisions
[50:15] Speaker 13: and conflicts. So if they remain independent, the Pope can
[50:18] Speaker 13: use his spiritual voice to just be that person in
[50:21] Speaker 13: the world who keeps calling for peace at every turn.
[50:24] Speaker 13: In fact, on Palm Sunday, the beginning of Holy Week,
[50:26] Speaker 13: that was last Sunday, the Pope and his sermon, he
[50:29] Speaker 13: made a very strong appeal. He said that remember when
[50:33] Speaker 13: Jesus was going into Jerusalem and the PAMs were being
[50:36] Speaker 13: put down for him to walk on, which would be
[50:38] Speaker 13: in today's equivalent of getting the red carpet. He knew
[50:41] Speaker 13: that in just a few days he would go from
[50:43] Speaker 13: being a vip and being welcomed in to being a
[50:46] Speaker 13: criminal convicted to crucifixion and death, and even in the
[50:50] Speaker 13: midst of the darkness and the violence that he knew
[50:52] Speaker 13: was coming towards him, he called himself the King of
[50:54] Speaker 13: peace and he kept appealing for peace. The Pope said,
[50:57] Speaker 13: we need to hear that in today's world. But also
[51:01] Speaker 13: it's a very interesting Danika because in conflicts around the
[51:04] Speaker 13: world like the United States, Israel, Iran, and Russia Ukraine,
[51:08] Speaker 13: many political leaders have used religion and faith to justify
[51:11] Speaker 13: their actions, and the Pope made a pointed statement last week.
[51:15] Speaker 13: He said God doesn't hear the prayers of those who
[51:18] Speaker 13: wage war.
[51:18] Speaker 1: In fact, he ignores those prayers.
[51:21] Speaker 13: So remember, this is the first time that Pope Leo,
[51:23] Speaker 13: or first American Pope, has had this Easter celebration, so
[51:27] Speaker 13: the world will be watching to see what he will
[51:29] Speaker 13: say on Easter Sunday. But we're expecting that he will
[51:32] Speaker 13: continue that strong message of peace because, as you mentioned,
[51:36] Speaker 13: so many people watching. He speaks every week at the Vatican,
[51:39] Speaker 13: and we often talk about it here on the show.
[51:41] Speaker 13: What makes Easter different is the profound meaning behind it
[51:44] Speaker 13: and the extra millions of people watching around the world.
[51:48] Speaker 13: So it's a very important time for the Pope to speak.
[51:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, millions will be watching and I guess hanging on
[51:53] Speaker 2: to his every word. As I said, in particularly in
[51:55] Speaker 2: this time of crisis, people need a bit of hope
[51:58] Speaker 2: and something they can hang on to and looking back calm.
[52:03] Speaker 2: I remember because this was also a very emotional time
[52:07] Speaker 2: last year. It was the day after Easter that Pope
[52:10] Speaker 2: Francis passed away. In fact, Easter was one of the
[52:13] Speaker 2: last times he was saying publicly, was it not.
[52:16] Speaker 13: Yeah, that's and Danika, this is the first time that
[52:18] Speaker 13: you and I met, and all my good colleagues now
[52:21] Speaker 13: at Sky News was when we saw this very time
[52:24] Speaker 13: last year, Pope Francis come to the balcony, the main
[52:27] Speaker 13: balcony in front of Saint Peter's Basilica that you can
[52:29] Speaker 13: see there on your screen, and we were not expecting
[52:33] Speaker 13: to see him because he had been so sick he
[52:35] Speaker 13: couldn't preside over any of the Easter celebrations across Holy Week,
[52:39] Speaker 13: but we know now that he had said to his
[52:42] Speaker 13: personal aid and secretary, I want to go to the
[52:44] Speaker 13: balcony one last time. He came out and he gave
[52:47] Speaker 13: these profound words, which was the Easter message he said
[52:51] Speaker 13: that we know as Christians that death is not the
[52:53] Speaker 13: final word, that there is life after death.
[52:56] Speaker 1: He said, we know that good prevails over evil, and
[52:59] Speaker 1: life light over darkness.
[53:01] Speaker 13: And just a number of hours later, the following morning
[53:04] Speaker 13: after Easter Sunday, he passed away peacefully in his room
[53:09] Speaker 13: inside the Apostolic Palace. So it was profoundly meaning for
[53:12] Speaker 13: him to deliver that last message to the world, and
[53:15] Speaker 13: that memory will be brought into Saint Peter Square. I'm
[53:18] Speaker 13: sure that the Pope will reference that as he now
[53:20] Speaker 13: presides over his first Easter here at the Vatican in
[53:24] Speaker 13: the middle of Rome.
[53:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he definitely will reference it. Calm Flynn,
[53:28] Speaker 2: always a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you for
[53:30] Speaker 2: joining us, and a happy Easter to you and your family,
[53:33] Speaker 2: and I look forward to speaking to you again at
[53:36] Speaker 2: some point. Thank you very much for your time.
[53:38] Speaker 13: Thank you so much, Tnika, and happy Easter to you
[53:40] Speaker 13: and everyone watching.
[53:42] Speaker 2: Thank you well still to come. My final thought, what
[53:45] Speaker 2: did the like quite Elizabeth really think of Megan? Well
[53:49] Speaker 2: find out next welcome back. Well. We are expecting the
[53:56] Speaker 2: impending arrival of mister and missus Grifta Dan undering the
[53:59] Speaker 2: next few weeks. Yes, I am indeed talking about Harry
[54:03] Speaker 2: and Meghan. You know the grifters who want you to
[54:05] Speaker 2: pay three thousand dollars just to hear Meghan speak at
[54:08] Speaker 2: a wellness to retreat in Sydney. Please. Well, it's finally
[54:12] Speaker 2: been revealed what the late Queen Elizabeth really thought of
[54:16] Speaker 2: Meghan now. She reportedly had concerns about grandson Prince Harry's
[54:20] Speaker 2: future with Meghan Markel from the very beginning. According to
[54:25] Speaker 2: a new book by veteran political reporter Susan page A,
[54:28] Speaker 2: Palisade claimed, the late monarch grew skeptical of the American
[54:32] Speaker 2: actress early on, viewing her as calculated and skilled at
[54:36] Speaker 2: shaping her public image. Her Majesty had become wary of
[54:39] Speaker 2: Meghan as an opportunist was onto her from the start.
[54:44] Speaker 2: The book reads, well, look, all I can say is
[54:47] Speaker 2: you didn't need a book to tell you that. And look,
[54:50] Speaker 2: God knows why these two are even bothering to come
[54:53] Speaker 2: back down under it really because last time they came,
[54:56] Speaker 2: Meghan said it was the catalyst for leaving the royal family.
[55:00] Speaker 2: But let's be honest, these two would do absolutely anything
[55:04] Speaker 2: to make a buck. Money hungry grifters. Well, that's all
[55:08] Speaker 2: we've got time for. I'll be back tomorrow at eight
[55:10] Speaker 2: for Opinionated up next to the Late Debate. Good Night,

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