# Paul Murray Live | 22 January

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 22 Jan 2026, 48 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/108d79de-b441-47d1-82d3-b3da00bf97b9/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese apologises to Jewish Australians, Coalition splits over hate speech laws. Plus, a 24-year-old has been charged and refused bail after allegedly planning to throw molotov cocktails on the Gold Coast on Australia Day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: What an extraordinary experience to be watching it. Imagine what
[0:10] Speaker 1: it is like to be there. Shari Markson brilliantly taking
[0:15] Speaker 1: us through an evening of absolute high emotion. And I've
[0:21] Speaker 1: got to say that, sitting and watching I shed my
[0:24] Speaker 1: first tears about what has happened over the past month,
[0:29] Speaker 1: because generally speaking, you take bad news days in the
[0:34] Speaker 1: same way that you take big news days and emotionally,
[0:37] Speaker 1: but just like when you're sitting at a funeral for
[0:41] Speaker 1: a family member, all of the distractions stop and for
[0:47] Speaker 1: the past couple of hours that's been a national feeling.
[0:51] Speaker 1: I know that's been the intent of the day, but
[0:53] Speaker 1: it has been a national feeling of the past two hours.
[0:58] Speaker 1: What you have seen broadcast here and is being shown
[1:02] Speaker 1: in other platforms was an opportunity to unite with these families,
[1:16] Speaker 1: not just in their pain, but in their resolution about
[1:23] Speaker 1: a way forward. It was before Christmas, when, of course
[1:27] Speaker 1: we all just couldn't believe what was happening in Australia
[1:31] Speaker 1: unless it happens to you, and horrible things happen around
[1:35] Speaker 1: Christmas all the time. There's this lovely distraction of being
[1:39] Speaker 1: able to be around family, and for many people you're
[1:42] Speaker 1: still on holidays and you lose track of the days
[1:46] Speaker 1: and it all becomes a little bit loosey goosey. To
[1:50] Speaker 1: see what we've seen tonight was pretty extraordinary. Now I'll
[1:56] Speaker 1: show you in a couple of moments some of the
[1:58] Speaker 1: moments that stood out to me, but to be honest,
[2:01] Speaker 1: the whole thing did. Again. When we've been there for
[2:06] Speaker 1: our grandparents' parents, or children or mates in their funerals
[2:16] Speaker 1: and their loss, the moment that always always just tears
[2:24] Speaker 1: you apart is when you see their family members sitting
[2:28] Speaker 1: in the front row. We saw that from the very
[2:31] Speaker 1: start here as candles were lit for all of the victims.
[2:39] Speaker 1: And then, as always, when you see the photos of
[2:43] Speaker 1: somebody at a funeral, about what they looked like when
[2:47] Speaker 1: they were a kid, and when they first went to
[2:49] Speaker 1: school or UNI or met the person that they love,
[2:52] Speaker 1: when they go on to have kids, all of those
[2:53] Speaker 1: stories incredible And I wish I could call you out
[2:58] Speaker 1: by name, But whoever was responsible for putting together the
[3:02] Speaker 1: families talking about the people that they had lost, you
[3:06] Speaker 1: did a spectacular job. A spectacular job honoring those people,
[3:11] Speaker 1: not as people who were in the middle of a
[3:15] Speaker 1: national tragedy and international news, but people who were mothers
[3:20] Speaker 1: and fathers, brothers and sisters, and of course a beautiful daughter.
[3:26] Speaker 1: There were multiple times when those families had a moment
[3:31] Speaker 1: to be able to reflect. He's just some of those
[3:34] Speaker 1: families reflecting in what I thought was devastatingly impressive about
[3:41] Speaker 1: how they spoke, about how they celebrated, and about how
[3:45] Speaker 1: they let us in to the people who they loved
[3:49] Speaker 1: the most.
[3:50] Speaker 2: He was very proud of being Jewish, because where we
[3:54] Speaker 2: come from we had to hide it. He loved Bondo Beach,
[3:59] Speaker 2: he loved his community, but most of all, he loved
[4:03] Speaker 2: his family.
[4:04] Speaker 3: I wanted to be a shop, so he made me
[4:08] Speaker 3: opening doors and pappets for my hands for the people.
[4:11] Speaker 4: It's crazy.
[4:12] Speaker 5: He sewed my brother like a terror costume.
[4:18] Speaker 4: I feel privileged to have known Dan, privilege to spend
[4:27] Speaker 4: this last day together when all this happened, my wife
[4:32] Speaker 4: and I talking, we just said, we have to live
[4:36] Speaker 4: life to the fullest, and that's what we have to do,
[4:38] Speaker 4: because that's what Dan did.
[4:42] Speaker 6: They love to see, They love to build, which wells day.
[4:52] Speaker 7: I'm sorry is that as well as much?
[4:56] Speaker 8: What was it?
[4:57] Speaker 2: She was.
[5:01] Speaker 3: Be kind and good to each other. Susan my mum.
[5:09] Speaker 3: We've all got one cherish and might have got them
[5:17] Speaker 3: all the good and bad.
[5:24] Speaker 1: That was a bit that got me, just got me
[5:26] Speaker 1: the most. The truth is that also there was a
[5:32] Speaker 1: bit of tension in the room, an elephant in the room,
[5:36] Speaker 1: because in part about the place where all this was happening.
[5:38] Speaker 1: It was happening at the Opera House, and we know
[5:41] Speaker 1: that in the day after the attack on October seventh,
[5:45] Speaker 1: this was a place of immense hatred of those who
[5:51] Speaker 1: wanted to deny people the opportunity to pause and commemorate
[5:58] Speaker 1: what had happened, yes on the other side of the
[6:00] Speaker 1: but to people who they had known through family, familial
[6:05] Speaker 1: and ties of faith. Sharry Markson did a spectacular job tonight.
[6:12] Speaker 1: I'm proud of her as a colleague, but I'm more
[6:14] Speaker 1: proud of her as a friend tonight because there was
[6:17] Speaker 1: a lot of things that were unsaid in the expectation
[6:21] Speaker 1: of what this night was going to be. But flawlessly,
[6:25] Speaker 1: this community has found a way to take us to
[6:30] Speaker 1: a next chapter. And importantly, Sharry obviously used the moment
[6:36] Speaker 1: to remind us of the setting and to remind us
[6:38] Speaker 1: of this full circle that we have been on for
[6:41] Speaker 1: a couple of years now.
[6:44] Speaker 9: Those watching at home, across the nation and around the
[6:47] Speaker 9: world were gathered here at the Sydney Opera House on
[6:51] Speaker 9: this national Day of Mourning, because it was here at
[6:57] Speaker 9: the Opera House on October ninth three when ugly hatred
[7:04] Speaker 9: first burst from the shadows on the very steps outside,
[7:09] Speaker 9: A brain mob chanted about hunting and killing Jews, yet
[7:15] Speaker 9: faced no consequences. This hate would escalate in a horrifying
[7:20] Speaker 9: chain of events, including the fire bombings of synagogues and preschools,
[7:26] Speaker 9: and ultimately culminated in the Bondai massacre. Our warnings, our
[7:33] Speaker 9: pleas were endless, desperate, and ultimately hopeless. And now we're
[7:42] Speaker 9: left with bewilderment. How could this happen? How could a
[7:49] Speaker 9: little boy and little girl watch their father dying on
[7:53] Speaker 9: the grass. How could a six year old see her
[7:59] Speaker 9: big sister struggling to breathe. How could Alex Kleintman survive
[8:05] Speaker 9: Nazi Europe only to be murdered in broad daylight at Bondai.
[8:11] Speaker 9: And how could the country that we call home have
[8:14] Speaker 9: done so little to stop this rise in due hatred
[8:19] Speaker 9: over the past two years.
[8:30] Speaker 1: Again, part of skillfully what was done tonight and why
[8:34] Speaker 1: I think that this past couple of hours acts as catharsis.
[8:38] Speaker 1: It doesn't end discussions and debates and accountability, but there
[8:42] Speaker 1: is a certain catharsis that certainly I feel, and I
[8:45] Speaker 1: don't know if you do too, but I feel that
[8:48] Speaker 1: after the past couple of hours and of course this day,
[8:52] Speaker 1: which was one of national unity, I thought it was
[8:56] Speaker 1: important to say what needed to be said, and that
[8:59] Speaker 1: continued before the Prime Minister said what he said tonight.
[9:05] Speaker 1: But again more from Sharry about framing the event, the
[9:11] Speaker 1: reason we're here, and the scales of what we're dealing
[9:16] Speaker 1: with right.
[9:16] Speaker 9: Now tonight in our shared grief. We have a moment
[9:21] Speaker 9: of national unity defined by Ossie values of tolerance, makeship
[9:29] Speaker 9: and above all a desire for peace. And it's in
[9:34] Speaker 9: this spirit that we gather here, and it's in this
[9:38] Speaker 9: spirit that I make this plea. Out of our pain
[9:44] Speaker 9: and grief must arise change, a promise of never again,
[9:52] Speaker 9: that a blind eye won't be turned to radical Islamic extremism,
[9:57] Speaker 9: that visas won't be given to those who just spies
[10:00] Speaker 9: our Australian values, that hatred against Zionists won't be tolerated
[10:28] Speaker 9: because we've seen where this leads. It leads to a
[10:33] Speaker 9: Hunneker Festival on a perfect summer's day, where the ring
[10:38] Speaker 9: of children's laughter amid bubbles and baby animals turned to screams.
[10:45] Speaker 9: It leads to irreplaceable loss. Our children deserve better, Mathilda
[10:53] Speaker 9: deserved better.
[10:55] Speaker 10: They all did.
[10:59] Speaker 6: So.
[10:59] Speaker 1: Given that frame, and given the pressure, and given his
[11:02] Speaker 1: own failures, and given the feeling and the majority of
[11:05] Speaker 1: the country look at Pole's published in the past few days.
[11:09] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was in a position where the bar
[11:14] Speaker 1: was incredibly high for him tonight, and rather than working
[11:19] Speaker 1: up to what had been asked of him for a
[11:21] Speaker 1: long time, he met that challenge, and he met it
[11:27] Speaker 1: early in the speech by apologizing.
[11:31] Speaker 5: My fellow Australians, tonight should have been nothing more than
[11:35] Speaker 5: a regular Thursday night, a beautiful city brightened by the
[11:40] Speaker 5: light of another fifteen lives, fifteen lives illuminated by possibility,
[11:47] Speaker 5: opportunity and dreams. Tragically, we are gathered here tonight because
[11:53] Speaker 5: on the fourteenth of December, everything changed.
[11:58] Speaker 1: And for that sorry, we.
[12:01] Speaker 5: Cherish the promise, We cherish the promise of Australia that
[12:15] Speaker 5: this country is a safe harbor. But sadly that promise
[12:21] Speaker 5: was broken. You came to celebrate a festival of light
[12:25] Speaker 5: and freedom and you were met with the violence of hatred.
[12:31] Speaker 5: I am deeply and profoundly sorry that we could not
[12:35] Speaker 5: protect your loved ones from this evil. We gather here tonight,
[12:40] Speaker 5: drawn together in one Australian icon, to mourn the devastation
[12:46] Speaker 5: inflicted at another.
[12:49] Speaker 1: Tonight.
[12:49] Speaker 5: We stand in solidarity with Jewish Australians and.
[12:54] Speaker 11: We affirm, and we reaffirm the shared values of unity,
[13:07] Speaker 11: compassion and resilience that define our great nation of Australia.
[13:16] Speaker 1: Like the Prime Minister or not vote for him or not.
[13:19] Speaker 1: The challenge that was set for him by his own
[13:22] Speaker 1: actions was one that again I believe that he has
[13:26] Speaker 1: met tonight, and the rhetorical flourish that was required there
[13:31] Speaker 1: was to thread multiple needles to go from contrition to
[13:38] Speaker 1: offering solidarity. And then he moves forward in the speech
[13:45] Speaker 1: with a renewed sense of warmth from the room. Does
[13:47] Speaker 1: this mean everything is forgiven?
[13:48] Speaker 12: No?
[13:49] Speaker 1: Does this mean that I'm now a fan?
[13:50] Speaker 6: No?
[13:52] Speaker 1: But I think this was an important moment for the
[13:54] Speaker 1: people in the room, for the community who demanded it,
[13:57] Speaker 1: and for a Prime minister who had been in denial
[14:01] Speaker 1: for too long.
[14:03] Speaker 5: Those who attacked you did not count on your spirit.
[14:07] Speaker 5: In the week since the world was upended, you have
[14:10] Speaker 5: not retreated, You have not hidden away in fear. Instead,
[14:14] Speaker 5: you have shown profound strength.
[14:17] Speaker 11: You inspired a movement.
[14:19] Speaker 5: That has swept right across the country. The one Mitzva campaign,
[14:24] Speaker 5: where every day Australians are taking on a single act
[14:28] Speaker 5: of kindness, was sparked by your example.
[14:37] Speaker 1: It was interesting to see what was going to happen
[14:39] Speaker 1: in the immediate moment after because the tension that you
[14:42] Speaker 1: have seen played out on the air between my colleague
[14:45] Speaker 1: and friend, Harry Markson and her view of the Prime
[14:48] Speaker 1: Minister and his failures meant that her response was fascinating
[14:52] Speaker 1: to watch. You can see the body language and the
[14:55] Speaker 1: Prime Minister who no doubt these two are not about
[14:57] Speaker 1: to become friends anytime soon. But pay attention to what
[15:01] Speaker 1: she said and whether the Prime Minister knew he was
[15:03] Speaker 1: on camera or not.
[15:06] Speaker 9: Right, Minister, your acknowledgment just now that the community was
[15:10] Speaker 9: let down is a crucial step and your apology tonight
[15:15] Speaker 9: was important to hear and it goes a long way.
[15:17] Speaker 9: We thank you for that, and you are right to
[15:19] Speaker 9: say that our hearts were shattered that terrible evening and
[15:23] Speaker 9: over the past.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Two years, extraordinary night, an extraordinary thing for all of
[15:34] Speaker 1: us to see for those who need the healing. May
[15:37] Speaker 1: it continue. For a nation that needed to pause, I
[15:40] Speaker 1: hope you did. And while the focus of the nation
[15:43] Speaker 1: today was on healing, a frightening story was playing out
[15:48] Speaker 1: in a Brisbane courtroom. This is an unbelievably underreported story tonight,
[15:53] Speaker 1: but a twenty four year old has been charged and
[15:55] Speaker 1: refused bail after allegedly planning to throw Molotov cocktails on
[16:00] Speaker 1: the Gold Coast in the upcoming Australia Day.
[16:04] Speaker 12: It's alleged two weeks ago he purchased alcohol, wrapping paper
[16:08] Speaker 12: and a blanket in preparation to make Molotov cocktails. It's
[16:11] Speaker 12: understood he planned to throw them during a ride on
[16:14] Speaker 12: Australia Day on the Gold Coast.
[16:16] Speaker 1: The come Wealth Prosecutor detailed some of the alleged comments,
[16:21] Speaker 1: where quote he states that he will be leading the
[16:24] Speaker 1: Gold Coast riots on January the twenty sixth. If you
[16:27] Speaker 1: guys know people in Melbourne, let them know so they
[16:30] Speaker 1: can start buying vodka bottles early to spot stock stockpile
[16:34] Speaker 1: my apologies in batches. She continues that the defendant also
[16:40] Speaker 1: states that before I leave the battlefield on January the
[16:45] Speaker 1: twenty sixth, I have a few wishes in case I die.
[16:49] Speaker 1: The defendant then goes on to outline those wishes for
[16:52] Speaker 1: the Australian government and for society. The twenty four year
[16:57] Speaker 1: old's lawyer told the court that his intention was never
[17:00] Speaker 1: heard anyone quote. It was his intention to make national
[17:04] Speaker 1: news and bring people together as an attention to his
[17:10] Speaker 1: disenchantment with the government. Dear God, today is a reminder
[17:17] Speaker 1: of how we can come together, about why we have
[17:20] Speaker 1: to come together, and in terms of what is always
[17:23] Speaker 1: at stake, a reminder about how fragile things are if
[17:27] Speaker 1: they are torn apart. Sadly to the politics of the day,
[17:34] Speaker 1: and despite the fact that this was a day of
[17:36] Speaker 1: national significance, this was a day that also had incredible
[17:40] Speaker 1: political consequence as well, because as you know, as we
[17:44] Speaker 1: told you last night, all of those National MPs resigned
[17:47] Speaker 1: from the Shadow cabinet, and today it was confirmed that
[17:51] Speaker 1: there is no longer a coalition. The Liberal Party and
[17:55] Speaker 1: the National Party will go it alone in opposition. That
[17:58] Speaker 1: means they will have separate representation inside the parliament and
[18:02] Speaker 1: potentially at an election they will be running against each other,
[18:06] Speaker 1: not with each other. Today the Nationals leader made it
[18:10] Speaker 1: clear that it is the leadership of the current opposition leader,
[18:13] Speaker 1: Susan Lee, that her decision to carry through on what
[18:18] Speaker 1: any leader would have done, which was if you speak
[18:21] Speaker 1: outside of shadow cabinet. And I know that they were
[18:25] Speaker 1: with the rest of the National Party, but any leader
[18:28] Speaker 1: with such a thing would have had to very least
[18:31] Speaker 1: consider their resignations or demanded them. But it all seems
[18:35] Speaker 1: pretty personal now. These people have now broken up twice
[18:38] Speaker 1: and I doubt they will ever get back together.
[18:41] Speaker 8: There's no other position where we cannot be part. Our
[18:45] Speaker 8: party room has made it very clear we cannot be
[18:47] Speaker 8: part of a shadow ministry under Susan Lee.
[18:52] Speaker 1: Now. Susan Lee, because of today, did not address any
[18:55] Speaker 1: of this. Instead, I assume there will either be a
[18:58] Speaker 1: media blitz or some sort of decision that are made tomorrow.
[19:00] Speaker 1: But given the definitive nature of the Nationals will then
[19:03] Speaker 1: presumably an entire shadow ministry will now be made up
[19:06] Speaker 1: of Liberals. Why because they will have the most number
[19:08] Speaker 1: of seats in the parliament, but not that many more
[19:10] Speaker 1: than the NATS, and of course the collective cross bench
[19:13] Speaker 1: means that all of this just makes the Prime Minister
[19:16] Speaker 1: even more politically powerful. Matt Canavan explained exactly why he
[19:23] Speaker 1: believes now is the time for the NATS to stand
[19:25] Speaker 1: on their own, to be on their own two feet,
[19:28] Speaker 1: to not just do it in opposition, but to do
[19:29] Speaker 1: it at an upcoming election.
[19:32] Speaker 13: We approach these discussions respectfully, sometimes robustly, but we just
[19:36] Speaker 13: came to different views and that's not unusual on an
[19:39] Speaker 13: issue like this, which it goes to the heart of
[19:41] Speaker 13: political freedoms in this country and the balance of respecting
[19:45] Speaker 13: those while trying to keep people safe.
[19:50] Speaker 1: Now, the other big winning here, and maybe it's Labor
[19:54] Speaker 1: wins the war in the end because of the inability
[19:57] Speaker 1: to put together an opposition that can get to seventy
[19:59] Speaker 1: six seats, coalition or otherwise. It is one nation. One nation.
[20:03] Speaker 1: Has got a huge surgeon support in the polls, a
[20:05] Speaker 1: huge surgeon support in money, a huge surgeon support in candidature,
[20:09] Speaker 1: a huge surgeon support by a deputy Prime Minister and
[20:12] Speaker 1: former National in Barnaby Joyce, literally making the change that
[20:17] Speaker 1: others are using as the metaphor for their change, and
[20:20] Speaker 1: he was speaking well through quite a smile today in Tamworth.
[20:26] Speaker 14: You don't blow the whole show up so that Australia
[20:29] Speaker 14: as a nation doesn't have a competent opposition to forensically
[20:33] Speaker 14: go through the policy that's been brought forward, might I
[20:35] Speaker 14: say by a socialist leaning government, because the Australian people
[20:40] Speaker 14: deserve that, they deserve this forensic observation of policy to
[20:44] Speaker 14: flesh things out so that the Australian people.
[20:46] Speaker 15: Know what's happening there.
[20:47] Speaker 14: So this process by mister little Proud is totally and
[20:52] Speaker 14: utterly chaotic and besmirches the proper role of what is
[20:59] Speaker 14: supposed to happen in Parliament.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan is the deputy leader of the National Party.
[21:05] Speaker 1: He joins us now from Liz Moore. Kevin, give us
[21:08] Speaker 1: an idea here about the reasons twenty four hours on.
[21:13] Speaker 1: Because I've seen lots of interviews, there's lots of news takes.
[21:15] Speaker 1: But let's be honest. There are five million people who
[21:17] Speaker 1: voted for yourself and the Liberal Party in May have
[21:20] Speaker 1: last year to be the government of the country. Many
[21:23] Speaker 1: of them are lost, heartbroken, confused, embarrassed. Who knows but
[21:28] Speaker 1: to the people who just last year wanted you guys
[21:31] Speaker 1: to be together in government, only twelve months later to
[21:34] Speaker 1: now be running in your own way. What do you
[21:36] Speaker 1: say to the people who are predisposed to liking the
[21:40] Speaker 1: center right side of Australian politics but are just shaking
[21:44] Speaker 1: their head at why this has happened.
[21:47] Speaker 16: Oh, I would say I understand their frustration, and I
[21:51] Speaker 16: am equally as frustrated.
[21:52] Speaker 6: I certainly didn't. I'm a coalitionist.
[21:54] Speaker 16: I think the best government's Australias ever had post World
[21:57] Speaker 16: War Two a good coalition government, and my great wish
[22:01] Speaker 16: is that the next government is a strong coalition government.
[22:04] Speaker 16: But look, Paul, you've heard, you know, there was a
[22:06] Speaker 16: sequence of events today. This week in Parliament was a
[22:09] Speaker 16: very strange week. We only had two days of sitting.
[22:12] Speaker 16: This hate speech legislation was very complicated. We arrived, you know,
[22:17] Speaker 16: we arrived honestly at a party room position that we
[22:19] Speaker 16: did not think we could support the legislation. Therefore our
[22:23] Speaker 16: senators voted against it. We did forewarn the Liberal leadership.
[22:27] Speaker 16: We knew, you obviously, that they would have to forego,
[22:30] Speaker 16: you know, will offer their resignations to the Liberal leader,
[22:33] Speaker 16: which they did. We said, if you do that, because
[22:35] Speaker 16: it's a party room position, we will have to resign
[22:37] Speaker 16: as well, because the party's will is that we oppose
[22:40] Speaker 16: this legislation.
[22:41] Speaker 6: But I understand people's frustration.
[22:43] Speaker 1: I get it. But that's that's the thing. I mean.
[22:45] Speaker 1: People you know, before they go into bed tonight after
[22:47] Speaker 1: a heavy couple of hours of what they've just seen. Again,
[22:51] Speaker 1: people in politics, as you know, right, they are people
[22:53] Speaker 1: who believe what they believe in. Their belief in what
[22:56] Speaker 1: they belief doesn't change on which vessel of which they
[22:59] Speaker 1: put it into in terms of their vote. Right. But
[23:02] Speaker 1: as you know, politics and passion means the times, confrontation,
[23:05] Speaker 1: it means confrontation with family, friends, all the.
[23:08] Speaker 6: Rest of it.
[23:08] Speaker 3: Right.
[23:10] Speaker 1: In many ways, I've spoken to a few people today
[23:12] Speaker 1: who feel lower today than they did after the election. Now,
[23:17] Speaker 1: let's get to the what's next for the NATS, right,
[23:20] Speaker 1: Because okay, one day, you know, this person changes, that
[23:23] Speaker 1: person changes. Magically, everything changes before the next election. But
[23:27] Speaker 1: let's imagine it doesn't. I read today that David little
[23:30] Speaker 1: Proud has approached the Prime Minister wanting the National Party
[23:34] Speaker 1: to be given a whole series of staffers because presumably
[23:37] Speaker 1: what you're going to name a shadow cabinet as well.
[23:39] Speaker 1: Is that the plan? And if so, when do we
[23:42] Speaker 1: know who is the shadow treasurer for the National Party etc.
[23:47] Speaker 16: Well, Paul, we would not be the shadow minister, so
[23:50] Speaker 16: such that would be the privilege given to the Liberal Party.
[23:52] Speaker 6: We spoke they are the major party.
[23:54] Speaker 16: Yeah, but we will have Yes, we will have spokespeople
[23:56] Speaker 16: across a range of areas as we should. I mean,
[23:59] Speaker 16: we still you know, are a political force. We still
[24:01] Speaker 16: have strong regional representation and we will continue that and
[24:05] Speaker 16: we will have spokespeople for that. So of course we're
[24:07] Speaker 16: not going to vacate that space. So yes, where will
[24:09] Speaker 16: now be we will have a person who will speak
[24:12] Speaker 16: about treasury issues.
[24:13] Speaker 6: We'll have a person who speaks about these issues.
[24:15] Speaker 1: Okay, and then again let's just talk about the machinery here, right,
[24:18] Speaker 1: because people who watch this show they love to count
[24:20] Speaker 1: the grains of sand on the beach, not just admire
[24:22] Speaker 1: the view. Right. Is there a conversation about are we
[24:26] Speaker 1: running in one hundred and fifty one seats today? That's
[24:29] Speaker 1: what Barnaby Joyce was saying about the plan for One
[24:31] Speaker 1: Nation is they're going to run everywhere or again as
[24:34] Speaker 1: part of the general agreement, there's going to be hands
[24:38] Speaker 1: off on this bit and this bit or is it
[24:40] Speaker 1: going to be U VERSU LIB in Lismar and Susan
[24:44] Speaker 1: Lee versus a NAT in heuralict.
[24:48] Speaker 16: Well, for the one unique thing about us is we
[24:50] Speaker 16: won't be running people in cities. I mean we're regionally,
[24:53] Speaker 16: we are geographically based center right parties, so we will
[24:56] Speaker 16: only be standing for MPs or regional areas. Regional area
[25:01] Speaker 16: so you know, we would certainly be running candidates and
[25:03] Speaker 16: regional Australia, so we won't shy away from that, but
[25:05] Speaker 16: we won't be running against Liberal or labor people in
[25:08] Speaker 16: the city of Sydney or suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne,
[25:10] Speaker 16: so we won't be doing that. We will maintain our
[25:12] Speaker 16: focus for what we believe in, what the values that
[25:14] Speaker 16: we share with regional people.
[25:16] Speaker 1: So then again this brings us to this scenario where
[25:18] Speaker 1: to those who are frustrated with any version of the
[25:21] Speaker 1: Liberal Party that is not where they wanted to be ideologically, philosophically,
[25:26] Speaker 1: who believe, okay, the NATS are a little bit closer
[25:29] Speaker 1: to where I am. Again many making a leap towards
[25:32] Speaker 1: one nation. Does that mean the opportunity of somebody who
[25:36] Speaker 1: agrees with yourself, Matt Canavan, etc. That their opportunity in
[25:40] Speaker 1: the cities is only going to be via the Senate.
[25:43] Speaker 6: Well yeah, well I certainly I don't. You know.
[25:45] Speaker 16: Our whole mantra, our constitution is that we are regional
[25:49] Speaker 16: based party and we're not discussing being broader than that.
[25:51] Speaker 16: So you know, we will not be standing candidates in
[25:53] Speaker 16: the cities, but we have a strong you know, the
[25:55] Speaker 16: thing that unites us, while we may disagree with things
[25:58] Speaker 16: is we all see the world through regional focus and
[26:01] Speaker 16: we think that's important.
[26:02] Speaker 1: No, And again, the reason I talk about this is
[26:05] Speaker 1: because one of the things that is frustrated people is
[26:08] Speaker 1: what seems to be the lack of thinking about before
[26:12] Speaker 1: Parliament returned and about where it all ended up sitting
[26:15] Speaker 1: and the process is what has been what has broken up.
[26:18] Speaker 1: But again I want to talk about that thinking and
[26:20] Speaker 1: about whether hard work is being done now about how
[26:24] Speaker 1: to stand the National Party up and out and on
[26:28] Speaker 1: its own and what does that require. Do you have
[26:31] Speaker 1: to hire a series of new people to deal with
[26:35] Speaker 1: the processes in Canberra? Have you worked out that you
[26:38] Speaker 1: know you might get one question per question time how
[26:43] Speaker 1: much is being put into what next Look.
[26:47] Speaker 6: Paul, that will be done very statistically.
[26:49] Speaker 16: I mean, we are a certain percentage of the Parliament,
[26:51] Speaker 16: so we will get a certain percentage of the questions.
[26:53] Speaker 16: We will get a certain staff and allocation budget as
[26:56] Speaker 16: well for resourcing our MPs.
[26:57] Speaker 6: So that will happen and will certainly do that.
[27:00] Speaker 16: Can we certainly look, I think in opposition as well,
[27:02] Speaker 16: there are sometimes you know, it is an opportunity for
[27:05] Speaker 16: the coalition maybe to be a bit separate. We can
[27:07] Speaker 16: develop our policies, maybe work in unison on some but
[27:10] Speaker 16: develop policies in a much more independent way. But I restate, Paul,
[27:14] Speaker 16: I am a coalitionist. The best governments in this country
[27:18] Speaker 16: are strong, good coalition federal governments. And my wish is
[27:21] Speaker 16: certainly that you know, sometime and maybe some time a
[27:24] Speaker 16: part is healthy for both of us, that we reform
[27:27] Speaker 16: in the future to form a good government for this
[27:30] Speaker 16: country because as you know, and a lot of your listeners, God,
[27:33] Speaker 16: we need it at the moment.
[27:34] Speaker 1: Well, mate, this is it, I mean, all day, every day,
[27:36] Speaker 1: this is this is the life that I lead, that
[27:39] Speaker 1: you lead to the people watching lead the deep frustration
[27:42] Speaker 1: with a government that continually, no matter what it does,
[27:46] Speaker 1: no matter what damage it causes, it gets kissed on
[27:48] Speaker 1: the rainbow and finds the next level. That is so
[27:51] Speaker 1: frustrating to people. And again my sense here is not
[27:54] Speaker 1: to sit and beerate yourself. Decision has been made by
[27:57] Speaker 1: the NATS right, and we all know the pros as
[28:00] Speaker 1: to why it's to not sit and berate and attempting
[28:03] Speaker 1: to It's trying to say to the people who watch
[28:05] Speaker 1: this show who are trying to work out to dance
[28:10] Speaker 1: with the one that brung them or that they brung
[28:13] Speaker 1: to the dance in may or to maybe think about
[28:17] Speaker 1: going somewhere else. What is the pitch to somebody who
[28:21] Speaker 1: is a regional based person who is just like your
[28:24] Speaker 1: former leader, already off to one nation. So they've already
[28:27] Speaker 1: made the break. How do you call them back? How
[28:29] Speaker 1: do you get them back?
[28:32] Speaker 6: Paul?
[28:32] Speaker 16: I think that then that's still in Region Australia. In
[28:34] Speaker 16: our seats, we are still a pretty strong brand. I
[28:37] Speaker 16: mean we led the charge with our current team to
[28:40] Speaker 16: leave Matt zero. We as one of the first political
[28:43] Speaker 16: entities in this country, led the charge of no to
[28:46] Speaker 16: the Voice when sixty five percent of Australia supported it.
[28:49] Speaker 16: You know, we have stood for some really principled things
[28:51] Speaker 16: over the last four or five years in opposition, and
[28:53] Speaker 16: we think it's been important to do that. We will
[28:55] Speaker 16: proudly continue to do that. We will embrace national conversation.
[28:59] Speaker 16: This legislation this week was important. These laws related to
[29:03] Speaker 16: free speech. We thought they would potentially compromise free speech
[29:07] Speaker 16: in this country. We thought that was important enough to
[29:10] Speaker 16: go to liberals and say, look, we can't support it,
[29:13] Speaker 16: and we're going to forewarn you of this. So now
[29:15] Speaker 16: we were hoping, because of the processes of this week
[29:17] Speaker 16: and the abnormalities of this week, that those three senators
[29:20] Speaker 16: voting against the legislation, we could let it pass. In
[29:23] Speaker 16: New South Wales, Paul, the Liberals and the Nationals had
[29:26] Speaker 16: a disagreement on Bondo related legislation as well, and they
[29:30] Speaker 16: voted differently and they both let it pass and kept.
[29:33] Speaker 6: The coalition together. That was my wish yesterday. I spent
[29:36] Speaker 6: a lot of time yesterday, Paul.
[29:37] Speaker 16: Trying to find a solution that they wouldn't accept those
[29:41] Speaker 16: three resignations and trigger ours.
[29:42] Speaker 6: That's my whole day was spent trying to find a
[29:44] Speaker 6: solution to that believement.
[29:46] Speaker 1: All Right, Good on you, Kevin. Thank you again. I
[29:47] Speaker 1: appreciate the conversation. It is most importantly not just between us,
[29:50] Speaker 1: but for the people that are watching right now, especially
[29:52] Speaker 1: those that are watchings in regional Australia. Good on you mate.
[29:55] Speaker 1: Thanks for the chat, Kevin Hogan. They're the deputy leader
[29:58] Speaker 1: of the National Party. All right, quick break back, more
[30:00] Speaker 1: talk about this and a whole lot more, including that
[30:02] Speaker 1: incredible experience about what we all just saw at the
[30:05] Speaker 1: Sydney Opera House. You know, I send me an email
[30:06] Speaker 1: politsgoynews dot com dot AU. Well is it every man?
[30:10] Speaker 1: Woman and they for themselves now in the center right
[30:13] Speaker 1: of Australian politics. Will discuss, will debate next. Thank you
[30:21] Speaker 1: so much for watching. Before we get to that debate,
[30:22] Speaker 1: live pictures and news that is happening as we speak,
[30:24] Speaker 1: which is that Donald Trump is currently signing the Gaza
[30:28] Speaker 1: Peace Charter. He is doing so with a whole series
[30:31] Speaker 1: of world leaders, all gathered at the World Economic Forum.
[30:35] Speaker 1: President Trump has not made any comment as yet, but
[30:37] Speaker 1: as you can see, the signing ceremonies here to be
[30:40] Speaker 1: established with leaders of several different countries. When he starts
[30:44] Speaker 1: to speak to this matter, we will get to it
[30:47] Speaker 1: a little bit later, but obviously they're a couple of
[30:51] Speaker 1: world leaders. The expectation as well is that, apart from
[30:54] Speaker 1: all of these people offering to help it sort of
[30:57] Speaker 1: the next stage of Remember after the ceasefire was announced
[31:02] Speaker 1: and he went to Israel, there was of course all
[31:04] Speaker 1: of those Arab countries that came together and signed essentially
[31:07] Speaker 1: a promise for pieces. Well, this is the next version
[31:10] Speaker 1: of it. But as you can see, the Prime Minister
[31:12] Speaker 1: of Hungary and others are going to do it. If
[31:13] Speaker 1: you want to watch more of that that's happening on Extra.
[31:15] Speaker 1: If there's any comments, will obviously show that to you
[31:17] Speaker 1: straight away. In the meantime, let's have a chat now
[31:20] Speaker 1: to our mates. Roscadelle, National Senator. Well, he was in
[31:23] Speaker 1: the middle of it this way, and Joe Hildebrand who
[31:25] Speaker 1: of course joins us as well.
[31:27] Speaker 15: Great to be here with the newsmakers.
[31:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, they happening everywhere, right, So Joe as a man,
[31:32] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, a labor man, but a
[31:34] Speaker 1: man who may well have the odd red sock. Fa
[31:38] Speaker 1: Can you believe where we started this week was that
[31:40] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister was twenty five points down in likability
[31:43] Speaker 1: according to the Resolve poll. Again, I'm no fan. I
[31:47] Speaker 1: choose just but you've got to tell the truth. He
[31:49] Speaker 1: did an incredible job tonight to i think a large
[31:53] Speaker 1: section of the country about recognizing the failures of the
[31:58] Speaker 1: past few weeks. At the end of the week he's
[32:02] Speaker 1: getting the cheers at that event at the Opera House
[32:06] Speaker 1: and the coalition is literally being asked questions by blokes
[32:10] Speaker 1: like me on telling about so you're going to run
[32:11] Speaker 1: against each other.
[32:12] Speaker 6: It's Kaputski, Why are you suddenly dared?
[32:15] Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean is that And as somebody who voted
[32:18] Speaker 1: differently at that election, it's a frustrating time. I'm not
[32:21] Speaker 1: going to bluster and bs my way through it. Your
[32:25] Speaker 1: thoughts is this something that I mean, obviously some people
[32:29] Speaker 1: in labor they're dancing a jig, but for others they've
[32:32] Speaker 1: got to go, wow, we actually do need some pushback here.
[32:35] Speaker 1: We can't just be absolutely.
[32:37] Speaker 17: I mean, it's bad for you having a weak opposition
[32:40] Speaker 17: or an opposition that at the moment we don't even
[32:42] Speaker 17: know if it exists, what it looks like, if it's actually.
[32:46] Speaker 15: The party that's got the seats in the parliament.
[32:48] Speaker 17: Based on the latest opinion poll, one nation could be
[32:50] Speaker 17: the next opposition.
[32:52] Speaker 15: Not that at wild bur but anyway.
[32:54] Speaker 17: But it is just the fact that it's managed to
[32:57] Speaker 17: blow itself up again is staggering. The fact it's managed
[33:01] Speaker 17: to blow itself up over this issue is absolutely staggering.
[33:06] Speaker 17: The fact that it did not see this giant wedge
[33:09] Speaker 17: from Labor coming from space, I mean, frankly, it wasn't
[33:14] Speaker 17: even a secret.
[33:15] Speaker 1: You know.
[33:16] Speaker 17: It's like they weren't even listening to the words coming
[33:18] Speaker 17: out of their mouths.
[33:19] Speaker 8: You know.
[33:20] Speaker 17: Anthony Albanezi he sees everything, you know through a political lens.
[33:23] Speaker 17: You know, all he does is play politics right well,
[33:26] Speaker 17: if he does, maybe check out the next political move
[33:29] Speaker 17: that's coming at you like a runaway freight train.
[33:32] Speaker 15: So I think I think the first thing.
[33:35] Speaker 17: Is that they went too hard and they went too
[33:39] Speaker 17: personal in trying to blame Albow for the Bondai terror attack.
[33:43] Speaker 15: I think in times and.
[33:44] Speaker 17: I've done this with liberal politicians as well and liberal
[33:47] Speaker 17: prime ministers, and I'm always very very clear.
[33:50] Speaker 1: Well so I think Labour did on Morrison and the
[33:52] Speaker 1: fines too.
[33:52] Speaker 15: But but but yes I didn't.
[33:55] Speaker 17: That's not you not go after people like this in
[33:58] Speaker 17: times of national crisis.
[34:00] Speaker 15: You don't play politics.
[34:01] Speaker 17: They tried to pin it on him that, to be honest,
[34:04] Speaker 17: really hurt. Yeah, and he really struggled with that. And
[34:08] Speaker 17: you can bet your bottom dollar that payback came, and
[34:11] Speaker 17: it came this week, and it came with a giant
[34:12] Speaker 17: omnibus bill that was clearly designed to wedge the coalition
[34:16] Speaker 17: and they let it wedge them.
[34:18] Speaker 15: And then they got double.
[34:19] Speaker 17: Wedged on the hate law stuff as well, and now
[34:22] Speaker 17: they have imploded and Alban Easy after his darkest hour,
[34:26] Speaker 17: is now once more as in last May, back on
[34:29] Speaker 17: top because they went too far and they paid them.
[34:31] Speaker 1: What's the line of that Batman movies? Or is darkest
[34:34] Speaker 1: before the dawn?
[34:35] Speaker 16: Right?
[34:35] Speaker 1: And you know, it's so much fun for me to
[34:36] Speaker 1: talk about this on Telly Ross. Everyone's heard about why
[34:39] Speaker 1: we just had the long conversation with Kevin, So I
[34:41] Speaker 1: want to talk about the next all right, is your
[34:44] Speaker 1: expectation that, all right, clear air decision made the run
[34:49] Speaker 1: between now and the next election is one that we
[34:51] Speaker 1: do by ourselves or is there something personality related that
[34:56] Speaker 1: if there's a change here and if there's a change there,
[34:58] Speaker 1: then we're all having the comba in a few weeks time.
[35:03] Speaker 15: Well, there was no plan.
[35:05] Speaker 8: This is the thing I heard, what the questions to Kevin,
[35:08] Speaker 8: You're exactly right. This wasn't planned, this wasn't hopeful. There's
[35:12] Speaker 8: catch up football on both sides. There is no coherent
[35:14] Speaker 8: plan for what we do today. We need to just
[35:17] Speaker 8: pull ourselves up and get back to work and put
[35:19] Speaker 8: one in place quickly because there was no basket plan,
[35:22] Speaker 8: no conspiracy. But we need to exactly like Jay said,
[35:26] Speaker 8: we walked into this. I thought it was very clear
[35:28] Speaker 8: what we were doing in walking into a trap as
[35:32] Speaker 8: early as Friday last week. It just got worse and worse.
[35:35] Speaker 8: When you talk about personalities, I think there's no chance
[35:39] Speaker 8: that is long as either David or Susan a leader
[35:44] Speaker 8: of the respective parties, that they will get back together.
[35:47] Speaker 8: So there is always something that can change in the future,
[35:49] Speaker 8: but we just need to I've got friends in the
[35:52] Speaker 8: Liberal Party. I got elected on a joint ticket, I've
[35:55] Speaker 8: written coalition agreements with and we're our state director. We
[35:58] Speaker 8: are best when we are working together and we're working respectfully.
[36:02] Speaker 8: So even getting back together, if that happens, you know
[36:06] Speaker 8: in the future and what it has to be done
[36:08] Speaker 8: the right way, and that that is not something you
[36:10] Speaker 8: throw together quickly. You don't patch up after a bad
[36:13] Speaker 8: breakup just for the you know, for the hits and eagles.
[36:16] Speaker 8: You have to get it right. So we need to
[36:17] Speaker 8: take the time. Like you say, where are we running?
[36:19] Speaker 8: What are we doing? Well?
[36:20] Speaker 1: Look, and I appreciate the honesty, I honestly do, But
[36:23] Speaker 1: you're now talking about a scenario where you've got to
[36:26] Speaker 1: find an alternative leader. Internally, what does Roscadell think about
[36:31] Speaker 1: the future of who's the captain of the team of
[36:33] Speaker 1: which you are a member that would like to go
[36:36] Speaker 1: forward at the next election, not backwards?
[36:40] Speaker 8: The Liberal Party will choose the leader of the opposit
[36:42] Speaker 8: of the Liberal Party, and that will be the leader
[36:43] Speaker 8: of the opposition that is sure.
[36:45] Speaker 1: Said my respect them to us to talk about the
[36:47] Speaker 1: Nationals leader.
[36:48] Speaker 8: You said that, Yeah, as long as David and Susan
[36:52] Speaker 8: are both there, we can't get together. You know it's
[36:54] Speaker 8: not going to be You're not.
[36:55] Speaker 1: Talking about a change of leadership. You're essentially talking about
[36:58] Speaker 1: the leadership of the Libs. Right. Can I just be
[37:00] Speaker 1: ridly clear because there's a story about to be written
[37:03] Speaker 1: based off what we're talking about.
[37:04] Speaker 8: Right, our room has never been strong, but your cak
[37:08] Speaker 8: through something like this and not be strong. We had
[37:11] Speaker 8: ten ten party room meetings in one day trying to
[37:14] Speaker 8: get this through, all run by David, all giving us access.
[37:18] Speaker 6: We got there together.
[37:19] Speaker 8: We'll suffer together.
[37:20] Speaker 1: Jody Georgejurno's spidey sense is just a little bit. What's
[37:24] Speaker 1: going on here? All right?
[37:26] Speaker 10: Good?
[37:26] Speaker 15: But I think David to be fair to Rus as well.
[37:30] Speaker 17: I think the fact that David Little Proud stuck by
[37:33] Speaker 17: his I respect loyalty in politics a lot. I don't
[37:37] Speaker 17: respect dysfunction, But the fact Bill Proud stuck by his
[37:40] Speaker 17: his members I respect.
[37:43] Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get to Colin Flynn because goodness knows,
[37:45] Speaker 1: at the end of this week we need a little
[37:47] Speaker 1: bit of a little bl of warmth, and an irishman
[37:50] Speaker 1: will join us to do that in a moment or two.
[37:52] Speaker 1: Is time I want to ask you, blokes, how do
[37:55] Speaker 1: we respond to get another statue being knocked over in
[37:57] Speaker 1: the lead up to Australia Day. But but but this
[38:00] Speaker 1: one having the symbol of a mass on it and
[38:04] Speaker 1: a declaration of essentially wanting to end Australia. My view
[38:09] Speaker 1: here is that you rebuild it tomorrow. You put a
[38:12] Speaker 1: security guard next to it, and you invite school kids
[38:16] Speaker 1: to walk past it, because when that's the stated goal
[38:20] Speaker 1: and they're knocking over the symbols and yeah, I know
[38:23] Speaker 1: there's someone who's going to get their rocks off by
[38:24] Speaker 1: all of us firing up about it. But the response
[38:27] Speaker 1: is not to oh, no, this gets rebuilt, this gets protected,
[38:31] Speaker 1: this gets celebrated, because if you do ever decided to
[38:35] Speaker 1: do that one.
[38:36] Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right.
[38:36] Speaker 17: And that's why people tear down these statues because they
[38:39] Speaker 17: know that it is a very different thing to be
[38:41] Speaker 17: building a statue of say Captain Cook, which also got
[38:44] Speaker 17: targeted recently today in twenty twenty five, as opposed to
[38:48] Speaker 17: just having one that is there and that you can
[38:50] Speaker 17: still commemorate and you can still understand the history and
[38:53] Speaker 17: the different layers hasu.
[38:55] Speaker 15: So look, I'm with you. I think you know, build it,
[38:57] Speaker 15: better build it.
[38:58] Speaker 17: Every time someone knocks down Captain Cook, we build two
[39:02] Speaker 17: statues of Captain Cook.
[39:03] Speaker 6: Correct.
[39:04] Speaker 17: So I think there's definitely there's definitely a place for obviously,
[39:07] Speaker 17: you know, and again it's just this moronic scene of
[39:09] Speaker 17: histories through this one eyed ideological lens, like the idea
[39:13] Speaker 17: that Cook was this great white supremacist or the idea
[39:16] Speaker 17: that you tear down a statue of the.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Histories about alayas sentiment at the bottom of it.
[39:20] Speaker 15: That's what happens, you know.
[39:22] Speaker 17: The boring answer to every historian will always give you
[39:24] Speaker 17: is it's complicated. And if you are too stupid to
[39:27] Speaker 17: understand that, and your only response is to get out,
[39:30] Speaker 17: you know, an angle grinder and take down a statue
[39:33] Speaker 17: and and with it, you know, piss all over it
[39:35] Speaker 17: with red paint. That says more about your understanding of
[39:38] Speaker 17: the world than it does about the statues.
[39:40] Speaker 1: And with you lads, forgive me. There was a lot
[39:42] Speaker 1: going on tonight, so it's a nice and quick one,
[39:44] Speaker 1: but I look forward to talking again. And then, please Ross,
[39:46] Speaker 1: I saved you from a phone call. I saved you
[39:48] Speaker 1: from a phone caller. All of you to explain, explain,
[39:53] Speaker 1: Thank you for the honesty, thank you for standing up.
[39:55] Speaker 15: Good to see that.
[39:56] Speaker 1: And I love having on the show all right as
[39:57] Speaker 1: I do with Joe.
[39:58] Speaker 6: Thank you.
[39:59] Speaker 15: Quick break back with.
[40:00] Speaker 1: More Colum Flannel join us from Europe. A lovely story
[40:04] Speaker 1: to wind our week with a smile, and goodness knows
[40:07] Speaker 1: we need it, Ah after a tough time in Australia
[40:15] Speaker 1: and certainly a busy newswek hey good it is to
[40:17] Speaker 1: say Colin Flint, do your friend from the other side
[40:20] Speaker 1: of the world who always brings us an uplifting story.
[40:23] Speaker 1: Lovely to see you, mate, Happy to you, to you
[40:25] Speaker 1: and to your family. Now tell us about the story
[40:28] Speaker 1: of a very special radio station in your beloved Ireland. Paul.
[40:33] Speaker 18: I'm going to do that, but very quickly. Two things,
[40:36] Speaker 18: and I know we're short on time. One, I haven't
[40:38] Speaker 18: talked to you in a while. Congratulations on fifteen years.
[40:41] Speaker 18: I watched the anniversary show. It was incredible to see
[40:44] Speaker 18: how you got to where you are today. Kind of
[40:46] Speaker 18: emotional at times as well. So that's the first thing, congratulations.
[40:49] Speaker 18: The second one is I had breakfast this morning with
[40:51] Speaker 18: your ambassador, the Australian Ambassador to the Holy Seat, Ambassador
[40:54] Speaker 18: Keith Pitt. And when we're having breakfast, I said, I
[40:57] Speaker 18: gotta go. I said, don't you know I'm talking to
[40:59] Speaker 18: Paul live And he said, what that's son of a bit.
[41:02] Speaker 10: So these senses regards.
[41:05] Speaker 1: All right, all of it to Keith. I look forward
[41:07] Speaker 1: to saying him sometime very soon. Thank you, mate. That's
[41:10] Speaker 1: very kind of you, and you're a big part of
[41:12] Speaker 1: what we do here now, So tell us about this
[41:13] Speaker 1: radio station. I love it.
[41:16] Speaker 18: Yeah, you mentioned in that fifteenth anniversary show that you
[41:19] Speaker 18: got into broadcasting from talkback radio.
[41:22] Speaker 10: I'm kind of similar.
[41:23] Speaker 18: I love the medium of radio, such a powerful, beautiful
[41:26] Speaker 18: and intimate medium. But you know, we're used to working
[41:29] Speaker 18: in this industry where you're often surrounded by people who
[41:32] Speaker 18: are trying to put on a show, or trying to
[41:35] Speaker 18: put on a persona or be something that they're not
[41:37] Speaker 18: when they're on the.
[41:38] Speaker 10: Radio, or trying to be polished and perfect.
[41:40] Speaker 18: I came across this radio station in my home country
[41:43] Speaker 18: of Ireland recently called dream Time Radio, where they actually
[41:47] Speaker 18: take pride in people's imperfections. Because this is a radio
[41:51] Speaker 18: station that goes out on FM around a town called
[41:54] Speaker 18: kill Kenny and around the world on the internet. But
[41:57] Speaker 18: what makes a different, Paul, is that it only employs
[41:59] Speaker 18: people behind the scenes and on the air who have
[42:03] Speaker 18: a special.
[42:03] Speaker 10: Need or a disability.
[42:05] Speaker 18: And it was so beautiful, Paul to go there and
[42:07] Speaker 18: spend the day with them. They do the pop shows,
[42:10] Speaker 18: the country music shows, they have love programs, and the
[42:14] Speaker 18: thing that they all have in common is that you know,
[42:16] Speaker 18: what you see is what you get and when they
[42:18] Speaker 18: go on air, they're not trying to impress the listener,
[42:21] Speaker 18: they're not trying to get sponsors, they're not trying to,
[42:24] Speaker 18: you know, please the advertisers.
[42:26] Speaker 10: It's a beautiful.
[42:27] Speaker 18: Story of inclusion in the community through the airwaves. And
[42:31] Speaker 18: so I talked to some of the radio stars, one
[42:33] Speaker 18: of them being their current affairs presenter. He's like their
[42:35] Speaker 18: version of Paul Murray. His name is Brian and here's
[42:38] Speaker 18: what he said to me, Paul, what.
[42:41] Speaker 19: I what I enjoy is I suppose the interviewing people
[42:46] Speaker 19: like because it's I find that very interesting.
[42:49] Speaker 10: You like finding out about.
[42:50] Speaker 19: Yes, yes, like like when it comes to politicians, like
[42:54] Speaker 19: they explain what they do and say.
[42:57] Speaker 18: Have you interviewed some politicians before?
[42:58] Speaker 19: I have interviewed loads politicians.
[43:00] Speaker 18: Really, Yeah, and that's tough interviewing politicians.
[43:03] Speaker 19: It is now and again, you know. But the toughest
[43:06] Speaker 19: part is getting him up.
[43:08] Speaker 10: And yeah, getting him to do the interview.
[43:11] Speaker 19: I just listened to what he had to say.
[43:14] Speaker 10: I love that. Honestly.
[43:15] Speaker 18: The most difficult part is actually getting the politicians into
[43:18] Speaker 18: the studio. Whether you're Sky News, he's he's I knew
[43:26] Speaker 18: you'd like that clip. But you know, it's it's amazing
[43:28] Speaker 18: when you look at the people who are involved in
[43:30] Speaker 18: the station. Some have mild learning difficulties, others have severe
[43:34] Speaker 18: intellectual disabilities. And there's one young man called Mark. He's
[43:38] Speaker 18: got severe autism, and when you talk to him, Paul,
[43:41] Speaker 18: he just repeats back everything you say. So when I
[43:44] Speaker 18: went in, I say, hey, nice to meet you Mark,
[43:46] Speaker 18: He'll say, Hi, nice to meet you Mark, back, are
[43:48] Speaker 18: you having a good day?
[43:49] Speaker 10: Are you having a good day?
[43:50] Speaker 18: And this is the same even when he's with his
[43:52] Speaker 18: family at home, so very difficult for them to communicate
[43:54] Speaker 18: with him. But what is remarkable is that when he
[43:58] Speaker 18: goes on the radio, when he opens that microe, he
[44:01] Speaker 18: can express himself more freely, and he can introduce his
[44:05] Speaker 18: favorite songs. And here's a beautiful moment. Mark is twenty
[44:10] Speaker 18: five and has severe autism, and when you talk to him,
[44:14] Speaker 18: he normally just repeats back, what do you say to him?
[44:18] Speaker 15: How are you Mark?
[44:19] Speaker 6: You're good to say good, very good bye? Good? What
[44:22] Speaker 6: are you doing at the moment?
[44:25] Speaker 10: You're looking for music?
[44:27] Speaker 18: His transformation here has been incredible. Now Mark will write
[44:33] Speaker 18: his own script and in front of the microphone read
[44:36] Speaker 18: it live on air.
[44:38] Speaker 20: Welcome along to Marc Gay. Look on to three Time
[44:41] Speaker 20: Video ninety twos. It's mac Gaine guys show. It's Thursday
[44:47] Speaker 20: second y. I have a question for you today. So
[44:51] Speaker 20: you guessed Emmy here is how is stals woos and right.
[44:57] Speaker 15: Down waiting again?
[44:59] Speaker 1: Sound Colin? That's made my work mate? That is that? Oh,
[45:05] Speaker 1: what a great moment because again for him to find
[45:08] Speaker 1: the confidence and to fight through the difficulty and to
[45:13] Speaker 1: build his own little world like that and to be
[45:16] Speaker 1: able to be bigger than himself. And that's the feeling
[45:19] Speaker 1: you get sometimes when you're on the radio and I'm
[45:21] Speaker 1: talking about community radio, littlelone anything else. That's that's beautiful. Now,
[45:25] Speaker 1: how do people find this in Australia? Is there a
[45:29] Speaker 1: way to obviously try and find this stream or something
[45:31] Speaker 1: like that? How do people find them?
[45:33] Speaker 18: Yeah, they can look up dream Time Radio and maybe
[45:36] Speaker 18: it's something that someone could start in Australia. And just
[45:38] Speaker 18: to wrap it up, you're soul right paul in that
[45:40] Speaker 18: you know they're not on a big national station. It's
[45:43] Speaker 18: not Sky News across the continent. But then walking down
[45:46] Speaker 18: the street and one person said to me there and said,
[45:48] Speaker 18: you know what I said, do you have many fans
[45:50] Speaker 18: actually said, yeah, my fans.
[45:51] Speaker 10: Are my loved ones.
[45:52] Speaker 18: So it could just be her mother or her grandmother
[45:54] Speaker 18: listening one listener too, but when they hear that feedback,
[45:58] Speaker 18: it makes the world of difference.
[45:59] Speaker 10: It was such a beautiful, beautiful story.
[46:01] Speaker 1: That is gorgeous. Thank you, Colin, love to see you again,
[46:03] Speaker 1: and thank you for the kind words. Mate. All right,
[46:05] Speaker 1: quick break back with more Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton. Remember
[46:08] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Lock her Up, Lock her Up? Well that
[46:10] Speaker 1: might actually happen. I'll explain next big story from the
[46:18] Speaker 1: United States. Bill and Hillary Clinton could be in a
[46:21] Speaker 1: world of trouble. I don't know how they're going to
[46:23] Speaker 1: dig their way out of it. But as you know,
[46:25] Speaker 1: the president and the former jus would like to be
[46:28] Speaker 1: president have got a few things to answer when it
[46:32] Speaker 1: comes to who knew what and when in and around
[46:34] Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein. Now, no one's breaking news
[46:37] Speaker 1: about the connections between Epstein and Clinton, but once the
[46:43] Speaker 1: Republicans took over the Parliament, they started to have hearings
[46:47] Speaker 1: into Epstein. They asked for the Clintons to turn up.
[46:52] Speaker 1: They then demanded by giving a subpoena in the same
[46:55] Speaker 1: way that you would say you must turn up in
[46:56] Speaker 1: court to give evidence before a court. The same was
[46:59] Speaker 1: when it came to this inquiry. Well, we learn a
[47:04] Speaker 1: few days ago they're not going to turn up. The
[47:07] Speaker 1: problem is is that that means they could be held
[47:09] Speaker 1: in contempt of Congress. This is a jailable offense. And
[47:13] Speaker 1: guess what Congress just voted for to hold them in contempt.
[47:18] Speaker 1: The last person to be held in contempt of Congress
[47:21] Speaker 1: for not turning up to a subpoena to give evidence
[47:24] Speaker 1: at a committee. Former Trump administration official and the King
[47:30] Speaker 1: of Maga behind the scenes, Steve Bannon. This is a
[47:33] Speaker 1: jailable offense, and they have jailed people in the past.
[47:37] Speaker 1: Those are the stakes for the Clintons. That's our show
[47:41] Speaker 1: for to night and for the week. Thank you so much.
[47:42] Speaker 1: Go Tigers, Go Yankees, and remember Chase is always on
[47:46] Speaker 1: the case.

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