# Paul Murray Live | 23 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Nov 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/13ba5e99-d1bd-42d9-90d8-b39e00bab9e6/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Tropical Cyclone Fina sweeps past Darwin, total bill for BoM's new website came is at $96 million. Plus, Spectre Strategy poll shows that repondents are more concerned about immigration that climate. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray live. Yeah,
[0:06] Speaker 1: rest in peace. Allen Moffatt, one of the greats of
[0:09] Speaker 1: Australian motorsport. And think about all of those people that
[0:12] Speaker 1: have come and gone, still competitive, still competing. Is their
[0:16] Speaker 1: old mate Dick Johnson. Incredible that he, in all of
[0:19] Speaker 1: those decades is also still very much part of motor
[0:22] Speaker 1: racing in Australia. I recommend whenever you go anywhere near
[0:25] Speaker 1: Bathist go and have a look at the Australian motor
[0:27] Speaker 1: Racing Museum because you will see things from eras gone,
[0:31] Speaker 1: things from Bathists childhood's past. That, of course is open
[0:34] Speaker 1: each and every day, I think, including race day. So
[0:38] Speaker 1: go and check that out. All right, let's get to
[0:40] Speaker 1: tonight including you will be slightly shocked to know that
[0:44] Speaker 1: the Federal government has found a new way of peddling
[0:46] Speaker 1: money up against the wall. This time how much for
[0:48] Speaker 1: the new bomb website that doesn't quite work. Julia Gillard
[0:53] Speaker 1: is trying to get back into the news, and of
[0:55] Speaker 1: course because she's the greatest Prime Minister of all time,
[0:57] Speaker 1: according to she has a prescription for how Australian politics
[1:03] Speaker 1: could be done better. But your story in terms of
[1:06] Speaker 1: politics this weekend. However, is Marjorie Taylor Green Now the
[1:09] Speaker 1: breakup with her and Trump really matters, not just because
[1:11] Speaker 1: of all the sensation of this, that and the other.
[1:13] Speaker 1: A one seat majority in the House, which means he's
[1:16] Speaker 1: been able to get anything done in the first year
[1:18] Speaker 1: of his presidency. When she goes will disappear watch this space.
[1:22] Speaker 1: It's more than just a bit of gossip between these two. Now.
[1:28] Speaker 1: I'm glad that Darwin has dodged the bullet when it
[1:30] Speaker 1: came to the cyclone today. That doesn't mean there wasn't damage.
[1:33] Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that there wasn't drama. There are issues
[1:35] Speaker 1: maybe making their way towards the northern parts of Western Australia.
[1:40] Speaker 1: But our dear friend Matt Cunningham was reporting all the
[1:42] Speaker 1: way over the past couple of days and all the
[1:43] Speaker 1: way through things today.
[1:46] Speaker 2: We saw significant winds and torrential rain last night at
[1:50] Speaker 2: the center of this cyclone. The winds were up to
[1:52] Speaker 2: two hundred kilometers per hour, probably not quite that strong
[1:56] Speaker 2: in Darwin itself, but still enough to cause some significant
[2:00] Speaker 2: and damage.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Fascinating. Telly and has always good old school local reporting.
[2:05] Speaker 1: As he was working his backside off going almost from
[2:08] Speaker 1: house to house and region a region in and around Darwin,
[2:11] Speaker 1: trying to talk to as many people as possible for
[2:13] Speaker 1: their story of what was a wild few hours. How
[2:17] Speaker 1: did you survive the night? Yeah, our aries, it was
[2:20] Speaker 1: a bit hairy, but we got through it right, no damage.
[2:23] Speaker 2: How did you survive the cyclone last night?
[2:26] Speaker 3: I survived itsch by texting Karen and drinking red wine.
[2:30] Speaker 4: Mostly were we worried at all?
[2:32] Speaker 1: Last night when I was coming.
[2:33] Speaker 3: Absolutely, the wind whistling through the louvers and you just
[2:36] Speaker 3: don't know how much stronger is the breeze going to get.
[2:40] Speaker 1: Love your Darwin, love the Northern Territory, and love Matt Cunningham.
[2:43] Speaker 1: I love the way honest. It was fantastic watching today
[2:45] Speaker 1: all the way from a weekend first edition, all the
[2:48] Speaker 1: way through the day, watching the reporting again, I'm glad
[2:50] Speaker 1: that things have worked out. Yes, a bit of damage, Yes,
[2:53] Speaker 1: some stuff that's going to have to be dealt with,
[2:54] Speaker 1: but nowhere knew what some of the concerns were. Let's
[2:57] Speaker 1: talk about the particular cyclone, about its powers, and about
[3:02] Speaker 1: where it heads from here. This is the last from
[3:04] Speaker 1: sky Nei's Weather.
[3:06] Speaker 4: Love.
[3:06] Speaker 5: The system will continue pushing southwestwards as a Category four
[3:09] Speaker 5: system towards the Kimberly. Now its track is a little
[3:13] Speaker 5: bit uncertain at the moment, even though it is only
[3:16] Speaker 5: just a day away from making landfall.
[3:18] Speaker 6: It could be brushing just.
[3:19] Speaker 5: That northern coast there or just clipping in lad and
[3:22] Speaker 5: making a second landfall potentially again as a category four system.
[3:26] Speaker 5: It will then quickly weaken as it continues its path
[3:29] Speaker 5: south westwards, especially given its compact size, it will weaken
[3:33] Speaker 5: quite rapidly, as is also strengthen quite rapidly.
[3:36] Speaker 1: All right, still with weather ish, Remember how we spend
[3:40] Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about the ridiculousness of the
[3:42] Speaker 1: Bureau of Meteorology spending millions of dollars trying to change
[3:46] Speaker 1: from the website that people knew and trusted to the
[3:48] Speaker 1: one that didn't quite make sense. A perfect example about
[3:51] Speaker 1: other people's money being peddled up against the wall. Now,
[3:54] Speaker 1: one of the big problems with the way they decided
[3:56] Speaker 1: to change it was the radar. As you know, more
[4:00] Speaker 1: intense the rainfall or a cyclone or anything like that
[4:04] Speaker 1: would be the darker the colors would get, and you
[4:06] Speaker 1: get all the way down to black. Saying this is
[4:08] Speaker 1: the bit where the storm's really going to hit. Any
[4:10] Speaker 1: problem was, of course, they decided to change it, and
[4:13] Speaker 1: they decided to show that there was a storm in
[4:15] Speaker 1: the general area, but not where the most intense part
[4:18] Speaker 1: of that was going to be. It made some news
[4:21] Speaker 1: at the time.
[4:23] Speaker 3: The biggest complaint many had was the change from the
[4:26] Speaker 3: old color coding system, which would show hail as black.
[4:29] Speaker 4: On the map.
[4:30] Speaker 1: The main point of contention the rain radar.
[4:33] Speaker 3: Critics say the new site failed the tests with the
[4:36] Speaker 3: radar color scale that made the storm look weaker than
[4:38] Speaker 3: it was now.
[4:40] Speaker 1: We were told back then that the redesign of the
[4:42] Speaker 1: website could cost about four million dollars four million dollars
[4:47] Speaker 1: to change from what worked to what didn't work well,
[4:50] Speaker 1: as SpongeBob SquarePants would say a few moments, let though,
[4:55] Speaker 1: we now work out ninety six million dollars is how
[4:59] Speaker 1: much money they spent going from I repeat, the website
[5:03] Speaker 1: that worked to the one that didn't. Whoever got that
[5:07] Speaker 1: little contract would be sunny for the rest of their lives.
[5:12] Speaker 1: Ninety six million dollars. Now again, website design is not cheap,
[5:17] Speaker 1: especially if you're dealing with all of the variables and
[5:19] Speaker 1: all the searchables. But ninety six million dollars for effectively
[5:24] Speaker 1: a glow up of a website that was unnecessary. I
[5:28] Speaker 1: don't know why still to this moment, never understand why
[5:31] Speaker 1: what used to work has been changed. And as I've
[5:33] Speaker 1: told you, there's a way to see the old website
[5:36] Speaker 1: if you particularly want to have a look at it. Well,
[5:38] Speaker 1: all of this seems to have been under the cover
[5:41] Speaker 1: of darkness of the interim administration at the Bureau of Meteorology. Now,
[5:45] Speaker 1: remember I told you that one of the ways that
[5:47] Speaker 1: they handle scandal is to barely apologize or not apologize.
[5:52] Speaker 1: They don't end up doing a lot of interviews. Instead,
[5:54] Speaker 1: there's this sort of statement that's read looking off camera
[5:57] Speaker 1: as if they're talking to someone, but it's all very control. Well,
[6:00] Speaker 1: the bloke who's now in charge of the weather Bureau
[6:03] Speaker 1: is promising to do whatever so differently. Stewart Minchin is
[6:06] Speaker 1: his name. Minchin said that the total cost of the
[6:08] Speaker 1: redesign completed under the former chief doctor Andrew Johnson was
[6:14] Speaker 1: higher than reported. Quote. I've looked into it. The total
[6:17] Speaker 1: cost when you have a look at the work, the
[6:20] Speaker 1: security testing and everything else, ninety six million dollars. So
[6:26] Speaker 1: I don't know why they were telling us it was
[6:28] Speaker 1: four million, but clearly they were under counting everything. I
[6:33] Speaker 1: don't know whether there's going to be a big change
[6:35] Speaker 1: at the Bureau, but as I've said before, this is
[6:37] Speaker 1: one of those sacred institutions in Australia. We trust it.
[6:40] Speaker 1: I want people to continue to trust it. But part
[6:44] Speaker 1: of that is that when systems don't work, and guess what,
[6:47] Speaker 1: Sometimes systems don't work, you have to come out and say, yeah,
[6:51] Speaker 1: the system didn't work, this is why. And if you
[6:54] Speaker 1: don't know why, we're sorry and we're going to work
[6:57] Speaker 1: it out. Now. I have shown you many many times
[7:00] Speaker 1: before that there have been failures of the Bureau of Meteorology.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Now it has not dented the overall confidence, nor do
[7:05] Speaker 1: I want it to dent the overall confidence of Australians.
[7:09] Speaker 1: Hopefully the new broom and the new boss there will
[7:11] Speaker 1: be a little more open and if there are moments
[7:13] Speaker 1: like why does the radar tell us something different than
[7:16] Speaker 1: it used to tell us that when we reach out,
[7:18] Speaker 1: we'll have the opportunity to talk to the new chief
[7:21] Speaker 1: executive of the Bureau. Will they be perfect? No? Am
[7:24] Speaker 1: I willing to give them a second chance because they
[7:26] Speaker 1: are saying they are going to be more open. Sure,
[7:29] Speaker 1: if they let us down, I'll be the first in
[7:31] Speaker 1: the queue, though, well with thunder and lightning call them
[7:35] Speaker 1: out for a failure to do so. Now, as you know,
[7:38] Speaker 1: we talk about immigration a lot on this show, not
[7:42] Speaker 1: on the cultural aspects. That's sort of the easy clickbait
[7:45] Speaker 1: that can exist for other conversations. Here this is simply
[7:49] Speaker 1: about the number of people we have in the country
[7:51] Speaker 1: and with it, whether we have got the stuff to
[7:53] Speaker 1: actually support it. Remember thirty years ago, eighteen million people.
[7:56] Speaker 1: Thirty years later, so from ninety five to twenty twenty five,
[8:00] Speaker 1: it's now what almost thirty million, twenty seven, twenty eight
[8:03] Speaker 1: million roll Ford Another thirty years, well, guess what we
[8:07] Speaker 1: are around twenty fifty going to be close to forty
[8:10] Speaker 1: five to fifty million people. Does anyone think we've got
[8:13] Speaker 1: the current roads to deal with thirty million, let alone
[8:16] Speaker 1: future roads, future suburbs, let alone the changes to everything
[8:21] Speaker 1: from water infrastructure to public transport all the rest of it. Hence,
[8:24] Speaker 1: why we discuss this matter of the way that we
[8:26] Speaker 1: currently do, but also we talk about it because it
[8:29] Speaker 1: is where the majority of Australians are now. It doesn't
[8:32] Speaker 1: matter what the pole and what the headline says, It
[8:34] Speaker 1: says it over and over again. The majority of Australians
[8:37] Speaker 1: think that there are too many people being able to
[8:39] Speaker 1: come into the country, not because they have a great
[8:42] Speaker 1: few foreigners, but because they know currently when they call
[8:45] Speaker 1: triple O, what happens when they're in the back of
[8:47] Speaker 1: an ambulance, what happens when they're lining up for a
[8:51] Speaker 1: queue or sitting on a toll road. What happens Now
[8:55] Speaker 1: again I repeat, it wasn't just one, it's multiple organizations
[8:58] Speaker 1: which have found the same thing. You go from the
[9:00] Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph for the Sydney Morning Herald, just looking at
[9:02] Speaker 1: the Sydney of things. When people are asked about migration,
[9:05] Speaker 1: how the government is handling things, most people not happy.
[9:08] Speaker 1: Why because on this pole forty nine percent of people
[9:12] Speaker 1: say that the current numbers are too high. So with
[9:15] Speaker 1: the undecided, you just need one one percent of the
[9:20] Speaker 1: eighteen percent underside and then bang, you're bang on fifty
[9:22] Speaker 1: to fifty two of them. You are at the majority.
[9:25] Speaker 1: That is where the majority of Australians are. Remember, when
[9:27] Speaker 1: we look at poles, were always split the undersided fifty
[9:29] Speaker 1: to fifty half gout to yes, halfgat to know that
[9:31] Speaker 1: would make this pretty clear that Australians have their issues
[9:34] Speaker 1: at the moment with migration, but you are not allowed
[9:36] Speaker 1: to discuss. The old playbook which was used on Peter
[9:39] Speaker 1: Dutton is now being used on Susan Lee as the
[9:43] Speaker 1: Opposition leader, she too is starting to move in the area,
[9:46] Speaker 1: suggesting that yeah, we do have to maybe think about
[9:49] Speaker 1: shopping maybe as many as one hundred thousand people off
[9:52] Speaker 1: the list that Labour's currently been bringing in at near
[9:54] Speaker 1: record levels. Why because there aren't enough houses right now
[9:58] Speaker 1: for the current population, lit alone a future the strain
[10:01] Speaker 1: that eventually puts on the hill system as inevitably everyone
[10:04] Speaker 1: gets older, and the problems with schools put simply thirty
[10:08] Speaker 1: years ago the school that I went to had a
[10:10] Speaker 1: thousand students, same school, no major improvements, has now got
[10:14] Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people in it. When I'm talking about a
[10:16] Speaker 1: good old fashioned normal public school high school. In fact,
[10:19] Speaker 1: in fact, this is what Susan Lee has had to
[10:21] Speaker 1: say about previewing her next move, which is to align
[10:24] Speaker 1: with those of us who believe migration is too high.
[10:28] Speaker 3: The migration numbers into Australia are far too high. And
[10:33] Speaker 3: labor has got this all wrong. We have to have
[10:35] Speaker 3: a balance, a balance between infrastructure and people coming to Australia.
[10:40] Speaker 3: We have to recognize as every community we speak to
[10:44] Speaker 3: does that the pressures on communities, whether it be housing,
[10:48] Speaker 3: whether it be roads, whether it be public transport, schools, hospitals,
[10:52] Speaker 3: those pressures are out of balance with migration.
[10:56] Speaker 1: And just as the bulk of the media believe that
[10:58] Speaker 1: any conversation around the the reduction of the target of
[11:01] Speaker 1: net zero walking away from it, even though they still
[11:03] Speaker 1: are committed to climate action, even though they still say
[11:06] Speaker 1: they're going to want to bring emissions down in one
[11:08] Speaker 1: percent of the world's problem, this will be electoral suicide.
[11:11] Speaker 1: Another smoke signal was put up again by the same
[11:14] Speaker 1: types of people, and again there is some evidence that
[11:17] Speaker 1: this might be a little bit wobbly. It's all about
[11:19] Speaker 1: how you have the argument. I disagreed with the Andrew
[11:22] Speaker 1: Hacy line about being strangers in your own country. That
[11:25] Speaker 1: stuff that just is not going to play in the
[11:28] Speaker 1: myriad of multicultural seats that now exists, particularly around Sydney
[11:31] Speaker 1: and Melbourne. But again the warning is there by the
[11:34] Speaker 1: way new Pole newspoles suggesting Susan Lee no longer the
[11:37] Speaker 1: most popular person to be leading the opposition. Will get
[11:39] Speaker 1: to that in the moment or two time. But on
[11:41] Speaker 1: all of this enter the godfather Don Farrell, Senator from
[11:46] Speaker 1: South Australia, powerbroker, Trade Minister, Special Minister of State. If
[11:51] Speaker 1: he doesn't want it to happen, it doesn't happen largely
[11:54] Speaker 1: inside this government, arguably second most powerful person after the
[11:57] Speaker 1: Prime Minister, because as profiles are I've told us this
[12:00] Speaker 1: bloke knows everything about every office in every part of
[12:04] Speaker 1: the Labour side of Parliament. He says the Manister to
[12:07] Speaker 1: do with immigration should be bipartisan, warning against getting involved
[12:12] Speaker 1: in the conversation of the cut to migration. Now remember
[12:15] Speaker 1: I've said it a thousand times, why I focus on
[12:18] Speaker 1: the topic. But again, just as the Labor Party is
[12:21] Speaker 1: trying to pretend that by not having a net zero
[12:24] Speaker 1: target for twenty fifty, somehow the Libs don't believe in
[12:26] Speaker 1: climate change despite the fact they still do and are
[12:28] Speaker 1: promising to continue to bring down omissions as they lie
[12:32] Speaker 1: during the election about cuts to medicare that we're nowhere
[12:35] Speaker 1: to be seen. Is this is the beginning of a
[12:37] Speaker 1: third big lie that will be shoved down our throats go.
[12:41] Speaker 7: I'd be disappointed if they headed in that direction. Immigration
[12:45] Speaker 7: is important for the future of this country. It should
[12:50] Speaker 7: be a bipartisan issue now.
[12:54] Speaker 1: As we know, the current Prime Minister is the greatest
[12:56] Speaker 1: of all time. He will be the leader for as
[12:59] Speaker 1: long as he chooses to and we are simply lucky
[13:01] Speaker 1: enough to be being paying tax in his world. But
[13:04] Speaker 1: every now and then, the reality of the Australia that
[13:06] Speaker 1: he leads is slightly different than the one that he
[13:08] Speaker 1: promised us.
[13:09] Speaker 8: Like this in opposition, truth is that where an open
[13:14] Speaker 8: transparent party for there needs to be complete transparency. What
[13:18] Speaker 8: we need is a prime minister who's prepared to be transparent,
[13:21] Speaker 8: a more honest and transparent a government going forward who
[13:25] Speaker 8: will make it transparent but being transparent.
[13:28] Speaker 1: You get the point. But as I've shown you many times,
[13:31] Speaker 1: the reality of Australia right now, and particularly Parliament houses,
[13:34] Speaker 1: that has sort of becoming Albo's Chamber of secrets, where
[13:39] Speaker 1: a lot of things are redacted, a lot of things
[13:41] Speaker 1: are not allowed to be seen, a lot of things
[13:43] Speaker 1: get flushed down the toot for no one to ever
[13:46] Speaker 1: know until long after the Prime Minister has been there.
[13:51] Speaker 1: A perfect example. Australia has a relationship with the country
[13:55] Speaker 1: of Nauru and it has for political generations now for
[14:00] Speaker 1: Australia to be able to say to people who try
[14:01] Speaker 1: to arrive for you by bat, you're not making to Australia.
[14:04] Speaker 1: We're going to take you to a place like Naaru. First. Again,
[14:08] Speaker 1: no controversy, very popular, sound policy for people who believe
[14:12] Speaker 1: that countries should have borders, that you should fill out
[14:15] Speaker 1: the forms, that you should have the permission to enter
[14:17] Speaker 1: a country rather than just randomly jumping the queue. Controversial opinions,
[14:23] Speaker 1: but that is of course the reality. Well, so I
[14:26] Speaker 1: told you. A few weeks ago there was an interview
[14:29] Speaker 1: between one of the Narruan government ministers and their staffers
[14:35] Speaker 1: about the deal, about what's in the deal between Australia
[14:38] Speaker 1: and Naru. And this was not a secretly recorded conversation.
[14:42] Speaker 1: It was posted on Facebook. Yet some weird reasons were
[14:46] Speaker 1: given as to why the Australian government would not release
[14:49] Speaker 1: an English translation of what had been said and what
[14:54] Speaker 1: is publicly available right now on Facebook. At the time
[14:59] Speaker 1: the interview was published online, a staff member of the
[15:01] Speaker 1: High Commission in Naeru produced an informal English translation for
[15:05] Speaker 1: internal purposes. The staff member who was employed by the
[15:09] Speaker 1: Australian government at the time was not an accredited translator.
[15:13] Speaker 1: The translation has not been endorsed by the Nruan government,
[15:15] Speaker 1: which did not provide its own version. Thus, the Department
[15:19] Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs and Trade confirmed the existence of the
[15:23] Speaker 1: document in response to what the ABC had asked for,
[15:26] Speaker 1: which was a freedom of information request. Remember this government
[15:30] Speaker 1: wants to make it even harder for people to be
[15:32] Speaker 1: able to get information from government through freedom of information.
[15:37] Speaker 1: But the Department rejected the request for its release, citing
[15:40] Speaker 1: exemptions designed to protect against damage to international relations and
[15:46] Speaker 1: contempt of court. You see, this is me speaking now.
[15:49] Speaker 1: The reality is is that the Left have always hated
[15:52] Speaker 1: offshore processing, always hated it. And remember the stupidity that
[15:56] Speaker 1: when the government was going into minority post Turnbull, that
[16:03] Speaker 1: there were people that were up and screaming and were
[16:05] Speaker 1: doing everything they possibly could to empty everyone offshore under
[16:08] Speaker 1: the premise that every one had serious health issues. They
[16:12] Speaker 1: ended up coming here medivaced to Australia. Yet all of
[16:17] Speaker 1: them ended up leaving hospital. No one ended up having
[16:19] Speaker 1: anything serious or anything permanent taking place. But the Left
[16:23] Speaker 1: has always hated this so much so that next year,
[16:27] Speaker 1: one of the things that the Labor Party of the
[16:29] Speaker 1: Labor Party, my apologies, they're media friends, the ABC is
[16:32] Speaker 1: doing is a documentary in and around the Tampa, the
[16:35] Speaker 1: Tampa twenty five years on, because again, the left hates
[16:40] Speaker 1: the idea of Australia having enforceable borders. It hates the
[16:44] Speaker 1: idea that people yes have been denied access to the
[16:48] Speaker 1: country for a long period of time, and now we see,
[16:51] Speaker 1: even twenty five years after things like offshore processing were
[16:55] Speaker 1: put in place and perfected by the Howard government, the
[16:58] Speaker 1: left is still trying to tell us why this is
[16:59] Speaker 1: also arrable, which is why they don't want to know,
[17:03] Speaker 1: or they are trying to know the details of how
[17:05] Speaker 1: much money we are paying a country like Nauru to
[17:07] Speaker 1: make sure that people never get here. Well, guess what
[17:10] Speaker 1: has just been announced. You won't be able to see
[17:13] Speaker 1: even dare I say the sort of shorthand version of
[17:17] Speaker 1: this for ten years of all of the things this
[17:21] Speaker 1: government wants to keep secret, they are deciding to keep secret.
[17:25] Speaker 1: The English translation of what was said by a naruin
[17:29] Speaker 1: president on a video that is publicly available on Facebook.
[17:35] Speaker 1: What was it that Albo promised again when it came
[17:37] Speaker 1: to how he'd run his government.
[17:40] Speaker 8: Truth is that where an open, transparent party for there
[17:44] Speaker 8: needs to be complete transparency. What we need is a
[17:47] Speaker 8: prime minister who's prepared to be transparent, a more honest
[17:50] Speaker 8: and transparent a government going forward who will make it
[17:54] Speaker 8: transparent but being transparent.
[17:56] Speaker 1: So his Chamber of secrets is also interchangeable with each
[18:00] Speaker 1: way elbow. Where again, you promise one thing in opposition,
[18:03] Speaker 1: you do something completely different in government. And because nobody
[18:06] Speaker 1: wants to rock the boat, nobody doesn't want to get
[18:08] Speaker 1: invited to drinks of the lodge, the media barely wobble
[18:13] Speaker 1: the boat, let alone actually rocket. Perfect example in and
[18:17] Speaker 1: around the events in Parliament a few years ago that
[18:22] Speaker 1: made us all too aware of some of the people
[18:25] Speaker 1: who worked in the then Defense Minister's office, a wider
[18:28] Speaker 1: conversation was had about how if inappropriate things take place
[18:32] Speaker 1: in Parliament House, there needed to be a system put
[18:35] Speaker 1: in place to make sure that someone would be able
[18:38] Speaker 1: to step outside of the political boundaries of the minister,
[18:43] Speaker 1: shadow minister or member of Parliament that they work for,
[18:46] Speaker 1: to be able to make a workplace complaint no different
[18:49] Speaker 1: than any other job in the country. In fact, this
[18:53] Speaker 1: is exactly what the they're opposition leader at now, greatest
[18:56] Speaker 1: prime minister of all times said about such a system.
[19:00] Speaker 8: We cannot ask the people we represent to make change
[19:04] Speaker 8: without also making real and lasting change in this very building.
[19:09] Speaker 8: We must have put it simply, walk the talk.
[19:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, even though, of course he neither walked nor talked
[19:16] Speaker 1: when it came to the complaints of Labor Party staffers,
[19:20] Speaker 1: close to more than fifty of them that were willing
[19:22] Speaker 1: to tell the truth about the people that they had
[19:25] Speaker 1: worked for, some of which deeply unpleasant, some of it
[19:29] Speaker 1: borderline criminal. But nothing to see here. So now we
[19:34] Speaker 1: of course have the greatest Prime Minister with the greatest government,
[19:36] Speaker 1: with the most transparent attitude possible, parading around parliament houses
[19:41] Speaker 1: the Kings and Queens of all time in a brand
[19:44] Speaker 1: new Australian Parliament that was far more particularly female friendly.
[19:50] Speaker 1: So pardon me if I noticed a story that reads
[19:53] Speaker 1: Parliament watchdogs reporting may conceal rape and sexual assault complaints.
[20:01] Speaker 1: What the sorts of things that, of course became weaponized by,
[20:03] Speaker 1: among others, the mean girls. None of that, None of that,
[20:06] Speaker 1: that's all quick look over here. Quote dozens of complaints
[20:09] Speaker 1: of the most serious workplace offenses, including rape and sexual assault,
[20:13] Speaker 1: may go unreported each year after the Parliament's Employee Support
[20:18] Speaker 1: Service altered its reporting methods. The service, which received forty
[20:24] Speaker 1: complaints of bullying twenty eight instances of harassment during its
[20:29] Speaker 1: second year in operations, has been slammed by a senator
[20:34] Speaker 1: who alleged that she was sexually harassed in Parliament House.
[20:37] Speaker 1: The Victorian independent Lydia Thorpe said the service was potentially
[20:42] Speaker 1: hiding misconduct from the public under the proviso of protecting
[20:46] Speaker 1: complainants privacy. At least sixty one percent of the complaints
[20:51] Speaker 1: in the past year twelve months about things like harassment
[20:56] Speaker 1: or bullying are the staff of MPs. Parliament goes back
[21:01] Speaker 1: for the final few days of the year this week.
[21:05] Speaker 1: Let's see if all of those people who asked all
[21:08] Speaker 1: of those questions not just about what may or may
[21:11] Speaker 1: not have happened in the office, but more importantly, what
[21:13] Speaker 1: happened the day after in the Defense Minister's office, who
[21:18] Speaker 1: pushed what has now been proven to be a liner
[21:20] Speaker 1: once but twice by courts around the country, but a
[21:23] Speaker 1: political cover up about the events of that evening. Whether
[21:28] Speaker 1: these people will have any interest in trying to tell
[21:31] Speaker 1: us why has the system that was established to prevent
[21:36] Speaker 1: such lack of transparency now become a little less transparent
[21:42] Speaker 1: Lydia Thorpe, we know when she wants to make noise,
[21:44] Speaker 1: can make plenty of noise in and outside of the Chamber.
[21:46] Speaker 1: Will she do so on this issue? Not just about
[21:51] Speaker 1: her own personal circumstances, of which the senator of which
[21:54] Speaker 1: she accused has strenuously denied. But what about the tiff tels,
[22:00] Speaker 1: What about the oh soo goodie Greens? What about a
[22:03] Speaker 1: media that was more than happy to talk about the
[22:05] Speaker 1: culture of Parliament House who now suddenly won't care at
[22:08] Speaker 1: all about the culture of Parliament House because it might
[22:11] Speaker 1: end up knocking out one or two people who they
[22:14] Speaker 1: like in Parliament House. I would hope that's not the case,
[22:17] Speaker 1: but we've all got this week to watch it together
[22:20] Speaker 1: to see what's true or not. The cop the latest
[22:26] Speaker 1: UN Conference on Climate change has now ended in Brazil.
[22:30] Speaker 1: It will not surprise you that not an awful lot happened.
[22:34] Speaker 1: But I wanted to try to find a bit of
[22:35] Speaker 1: a left leaning news source to give us the best
[22:38] Speaker 1: possible spin on what happened at this conference, the conference that,
[22:43] Speaker 1: of course was so important that Australia was going to
[22:46] Speaker 1: spend two billion dollars hosting it. Yet it is so
[22:49] Speaker 1: unimportant that the Prime Minister has never been to one
[22:51] Speaker 1: since he became the prime minister, despite criticizing the former
[22:54] Speaker 1: Liberal Prime Minister for potentially not attending one of the cops.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Prime Minister attendance one elbow zero. But the Libs, of
[23:04] Speaker 1: course are the ones the problem with climate change. The
[23:07] Speaker 1: conference didn't do as much as scientists thought the world needed.
[23:12] Speaker 1: It wasn't as meaningful as activist and indigenous people demanded.
[23:17] Speaker 1: Few countries got everything they wanted, and the venue even
[23:19] Speaker 1: caught on fire. But that disappointment is mixed with a
[23:24] Speaker 1: few wins and the hope for countries to make more
[23:27] Speaker 1: progress next year. That's the best possible spin that they
[23:31] Speaker 1: could put on it. Here is their spin. Leaders have
[23:36] Speaker 1: been working on how to fight the impacts of climate change,
[23:38] Speaker 1: such as extreme weather and sea level rise, for a decade.
[23:42] Speaker 1: To do that, every country had to do homework of
[23:44] Speaker 1: writing up their own national climate plans and then when
[23:49] Speaker 1: they reconvened next month to see if it was enough.
[23:54] Speaker 1: So you've just got to write down what your plan is.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Yet people didn't have that in time for the meeting,
[24:01] Speaker 1: and this meant what nations agreed to triple the amount
[24:05] Speaker 1: of money that was promised to help vulnerable countries adapt
[24:08] Speaker 1: to climate change, but that'll take five years to happen.
[24:11] Speaker 1: And the final document didn't include a rope map away
[24:13] Speaker 1: from fossil fuels, which angered many. So sorry, what was
[24:17] Speaker 1: the point? And why is Chris bow And excited about
[24:20] Speaker 1: having an even bigger role before the same thing happens
[24:23] Speaker 1: next year?
[24:25] Speaker 9: So also a significant concession for Turkia to ensure to
[24:30] Speaker 9: agree that Australia would be the COP president for the
[24:32] Speaker 9: purposes of the negotiations. Significant concessions. What's required when you
[24:39] Speaker 9: try to find consensus.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Well, Turkey, I'd to a point a COP president for
[24:44] Speaker 1: the lesson.
[24:45] Speaker 9: So Turkey would be the COP president for the purposes
[24:48] Speaker 9: of that. I would be the COP President for the
[24:51] Speaker 9: purposes of the negotiations.
[24:53] Speaker 1: We're working to ensure good outcomes now. Before we finished
[24:59] Speaker 1: off the end of last week, we thought that Kelly Sloan,
[25:01] Speaker 1: the former report of vorkloz MP, would end up being
[25:03] Speaker 1: the next leader of the Liberal Party in New South Wales.
[25:04] Speaker 1: Guess what it absolutely happened, No giant surprise because nobody
[25:08] Speaker 1: else ran against her and proeem pretty obvious that she
[25:10] Speaker 1: would end up becoming the leader. Good glad she did
[25:12] Speaker 1: it first full day in the job. Well, of course
[25:14] Speaker 1: it was time to head off to Western Sydney and
[25:16] Speaker 1: its capital, Paramatta. As best as I could glean from
[25:19] Speaker 1: our time in Paramatta and where she was, she was
[25:22] Speaker 1: very close to the University of Western Sydney with a
[25:24] Speaker 1: couple of people that decided to make the most of
[25:27] Speaker 1: her appearance to yell at her, and the media loved it.
[25:32] Speaker 1: We know that all you care about is the rich.
[25:34] Speaker 4: You don't care about.
[25:41] Speaker 8: For the housing crisis, foundry sixty eight billion dollars, I'll go.
[25:44] Speaker 10: To the lorcue submarine.
[25:46] Speaker 4: Why not one single billion dollar goes to our house?
[25:48] Speaker 1: It two things, The state guven is not responsible for
[25:53] Speaker 1: the three hundred billion dollars when it comes to the submarines. Right. Secondly,
[25:57] Speaker 1: I love this little culture war that's going to play out,
[26:00] Speaker 1: which is that, Oh, she comes from a suburb where
[26:02] Speaker 1: there's some people with quite a lot of money. The
[26:04] Speaker 1: houses are worth quite a lot of money, so therefore
[26:05] Speaker 1: obviously couldn't possibly understand the people of western Sydney. We
[26:08] Speaker 1: would not the same apply to the federal member in
[26:13] Speaker 1: and around the areas of the Inner West in Sydney,
[26:15] Speaker 1: who's now our prime minister. Oh no, no, that's very
[26:17] Speaker 1: different apparently. And also the media tried to pretend that
[26:20] Speaker 1: these were just randos off the street who just finally
[26:23] Speaker 1: when they had their opportunity to yell at the Liberal
[26:25] Speaker 1: they did, well, well done to the digging that didn't
[26:28] Speaker 1: happen there, but did happen at the Telegraph. Why because
[26:31] Speaker 1: they were able to recognize a couple of the people
[26:33] Speaker 1: who were doing the yelling. The bloke with the bun
[26:36] Speaker 1: has been seen in and around the court fight and
[26:39] Speaker 1: many pro Palestinian protests. Again, it's his right to heckle,
[26:42] Speaker 1: but just pretending like they did on the Channel seven
[26:44] Speaker 1: and Channel nine news that he was a random member
[26:46] Speaker 1: of the public with no sort of political leaning was
[26:48] Speaker 1: a bit much. And again this idea that from whence
[26:54] Speaker 1: you come and whom you represent means you can or
[26:57] Speaker 1: cannot understand average people. This was much of what Kelly
[27:01] Speaker 1: Sloane had to deal with media wise, despite the fact
[27:04] Speaker 1: that the very same media had of course, cheered her
[27:05] Speaker 1: in less than twenty four hours earlier. As the only
[27:08] Speaker 1: and obvious leader of the Liberal Party.
[27:11] Speaker 3: The member Fourvour Clues faced a backlash from the same
[27:14] Speaker 3: Western Sydney voters she's trying to win over. Kelly Sloane
[27:18] Speaker 3: knows she needs to hit the ground running here in
[27:20] Speaker 3: Western Sydney.
[27:21] Speaker 6: Protesters gate crashed her media conference, accusing the members the
[27:24] Speaker 6: Four Clues of being out of touch.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Hang on what now? Firstly, of course, all the people
[27:31] Speaker 1: in the media know Kelly, why because she was an
[27:34] Speaker 1: active part of the meeting for a very long period
[27:35] Speaker 1: of time. But more importantly, they also should have known
[27:39] Speaker 1: that these weren't random members of Western Sydney who are
[27:42] Speaker 1: having their say again, one of them very politically active.
[27:46] Speaker 1: So okay, find fair enough. But in the same way
[27:48] Speaker 1: that an ultra right winger would, as somebody who often
[27:52] Speaker 1: turn up in many marches, be sort of dismissed by
[27:54] Speaker 1: the mainstream, wouldn't they do the same for this bloke
[27:57] Speaker 1: and the one who just didn't know the difference between
[27:58] Speaker 1: state and federal government. But because it was a bit
[28:00] Speaker 1: of color again, well, she's the right choice. Yet when
[28:05] Speaker 1: the media always gets down to it, what do they
[28:06] Speaker 1: have to do? Very a liberal, very a liberal, very illiberal,
[28:09] Speaker 1: But no such conversation about the bloke who has major
[28:13] Speaker 1: property investments worth millions of dollars and the bloke representing
[28:16] Speaker 1: some of the most well held people in Sydney coming
[28:19] Speaker 1: from the Inner West on An the eastern suburbs of
[28:21] Speaker 1: the problem. And I say that as a proud Bogan
[28:23] Speaker 1: who does not live there. Right now, you're getting ready
[28:28] Speaker 1: to work, and just another reminder that for the first
[28:30] Speaker 1: couple of days when you're working hard, you're working hard
[28:33] Speaker 1: to pay your tax, and your tax goes to staffers
[28:36] Speaker 1: or politicians to make crap social media videos like this
[28:42] Speaker 1: media barn travel, funking climbs, plan your tell your.
[28:50] Speaker 10: Funnel money.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Creating history. We have two videos from the same MP.
[29:07] Speaker 1: Let's stay in Queensland with first term labor MPs. Of course,
[29:24] Speaker 1: if asked, all of them would say the greatest Prime
[29:25] Speaker 1: Minister in Australian history is Julia Gillard, which helps because
[29:29] Speaker 1: we're going to talk about her next. She just gave
[29:30] Speaker 1: a big speech about how Australian politics desperately needs to change,
[29:35] Speaker 1: become a little less shouty, even though of course didn't
[29:38] Speaker 1: they sell details of her getting shouty in the parliament.
[29:41] Speaker 1: Sh don't talk about that, Paul, don't remember. The good
[29:44] Speaker 1: thing about you watching is that you do remember. You
[29:46] Speaker 1: remember five months ago, five years ago, and a lot longer,
[29:50] Speaker 1: which is why it's fun to push back. And I've
[29:53] Speaker 1: made Fergie's back in the years. I can't stand that
[29:56] Speaker 1: there are endless stories about her, but we'll get there
[29:58] Speaker 1: when we have a chat to Dolan in the UK
[30:00] Speaker 1: a little bit later. Thanks for watching halfway and just
[30:03] Speaker 1: getting started here on a Sunday night. Thanks for watching,
[30:10] Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out on a Sunday night. We'll
[30:11] Speaker 1: go to the UK shortly and have a chat to
[30:13] Speaker 1: Wed your friend Mark Dolan in the meantime. Two great
[30:15] Speaker 1: blokes with plenty to say and are very free to
[30:17] Speaker 1: do so. Ed Cavanagh is the McKell Institute's CEO. He
[30:21] Speaker 1: is in Adelaide Sean bell Well. Even though he's part
[30:24] Speaker 1: of the Australian Federal Parliament, being a one nation senator
[30:26] Speaker 1: means no lash, no restrictive play. You can fire up
[30:30] Speaker 1: in any way that he likes. That's the way that
[30:32] Speaker 1: we love it. Thank you, lads. I appreciate seeing you tonight,
[30:35] Speaker 1: So News poll is out. It pretty much tells us
[30:39] Speaker 1: what we've seen before, which is extraordinarily again One Nation
[30:43] Speaker 1: more popular than the Greens, Coalition at twenty four, Labour
[30:46] Speaker 1: at thirty six. But the headline is that Andrew Hasty
[30:49] Speaker 1: firms as the alternative to Susan Lee. Now that is
[30:54] Speaker 1: because total speaking, who should be the Liberal leader, Susan
[30:57] Speaker 1: Lee is a twenty one percent, Hasty is at fifteen percent. Today,
[31:00] Speaker 1: Brian Deputy is at three percent, Taylor is at nine,
[31:04] Speaker 1: Wilson is at six. Forty six percent of Australian voters
[31:07] Speaker 1: have no idea who the Liberal Party leader should be. Interestingly,
[31:11] Speaker 1: that includes fifty one percent of Labor voters, thirty one
[31:15] Speaker 1: percent of Coalition voters, fifty six percent of Green voters
[31:18] Speaker 1: and forty three percent of paul In Hanson's One Nation voters.
[31:21] Speaker 1: So Sean the concie is yours. When almost half of
[31:26] Speaker 1: all people have no idea whom the leader of the
[31:29] Speaker 1: Liberal Party is and its primary is now down to
[31:31] Speaker 1: basically a quarter of the vote, even when what a
[31:35] Speaker 1: third of Coalition people can't pick which way they're going
[31:38] Speaker 1: to go, it does suggest the end of the year
[31:40] Speaker 1: is not a fun place to be for them, Paul,
[31:45] Speaker 1: I think you're right.
[31:46] Speaker 11: I think that's a little lump of coal in the
[31:48] Speaker 11: Christmas stocking for the Liberal Party there. And it was
[31:50] Speaker 11: interesting reading through those numbers because what I was hoping
[31:53] Speaker 11: i'd see is Senator Hanson's name somewhere on there, because
[31:55] Speaker 11: I suspect if that included her on the list, I
[31:58] Speaker 11: think it'd be very clear who the preferred op position
[32:00] Speaker 11: leader would be. And I think that's because you know,
[32:03] Speaker 11: the Australians have seen how clearly Sentate handsOn and One
[32:05] Speaker 11: Nation of fought on these issues that the Liberal Party
[32:08] Speaker 11: has just.
[32:09] Speaker 1: Dropped the ballot.
[32:10] Speaker 11: You know, We've led the way on net zero, we've
[32:12] Speaker 11: led the way on mass immigration, and we're going to
[32:13] Speaker 11: continually the way and I think as long as we do,
[32:16] Speaker 11: the Liberal Party are going to be in all sorts
[32:18] Speaker 11: of trouble.
[32:19] Speaker 1: Now. I know some people don't like when I say this,
[32:21] Speaker 1: but I'm going to say it anyway. Right, if you
[32:24] Speaker 1: look at two party preferred at the federal election, which
[32:26] Speaker 1: was the Thumber five, it is now fifty eight to
[32:30] Speaker 1: forty two. So the right side of Australian politics has
[32:33] Speaker 1: lost three percent and the left side of Australian politics.
[32:37] Speaker 1: I know you're say center, but for my purposes, the
[32:39] Speaker 1: left of Australian politics has gone up by three percent.
[32:42] Speaker 1: What does that tell you, Ed, Well.
[32:47] Speaker 6: I think that was really the headline of this pole.
[32:49] Speaker 6: I know, the hasty name drop really at the top
[32:51] Speaker 6: of that that article was the story. But the fact
[32:54] Speaker 6: is that at the end of this year and go
[32:56] Speaker 6: back a year ago, imagine if a year ago when
[32:59] Speaker 6: label were looking like they're on the ropes, you're going
[33:01] Speaker 6: to say they were going into this Christmas with the
[33:02] Speaker 6: News poll at fifty eight forty two. I think what
[33:05] Speaker 6: Shaundas said is that you know, one nation has been
[33:07] Speaker 6: leading the way on that zero and some of these
[33:10] Speaker 6: other issues. What they've been leading the right of Australian
[33:13] Speaker 6: politics into, though, is into increasing obscurity and increasing unpopularity.
[33:18] Speaker 6: And that's what we're seeing in these numbers. I don't
[33:20] Speaker 6: think you can you can deny that when you look
[33:22] Speaker 6: at just that raw two party preferred figure.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Sean, do you think that one nation is heading the
[33:27] Speaker 1: right of Australia up the garden path?
[33:29] Speaker 11: As Ed seduces, I think what's going to happen is
[33:34] Speaker 11: so long as we focus on those bread and butter
[33:38] Speaker 11: cost living issues, and we go hard against the Labor government.
[33:42] Speaker 11: Then eventually those numbers and this honeymoon that the Albanese
[33:45] Speaker 11: government has been experiencing will start to end. It has
[33:47] Speaker 11: been the failure of the Liberal Party to hold the
[33:49] Speaker 11: Albanese government to account. That's the cause of this. So
[33:53] Speaker 11: one nation has been fighting hard on these issues, these
[33:55] Speaker 11: cost of living issues. We've won the argument. The Liberals
[33:59] Speaker 11: have seen this, so they've decided to drop that net
[34:03] Speaker 11: zero slogan because they see how badly on the nose
[34:05] Speaker 11: it is, and I think the Labor Party is getting
[34:08] Speaker 11: a little bit nervous.
[34:10] Speaker 1: Well interesting to note that, of course, you know, one
[34:13] Speaker 1: nation six percent, they're about nationally if it's now sitting
[34:16] Speaker 1: at fifteen sixteen seven to in depending on the pole
[34:19] Speaker 1: that you're at, of course huge number of extra people
[34:21] Speaker 1: would be joining you in the Senate, and that, of
[34:23] Speaker 1: course is the long term play. Fascinating to see, all right, ed.
[34:28] Speaker 1: Julia Gillard's given a speech about how Parliament you know,
[34:30] Speaker 1: a little bit too masculine with all of it's yelling
[34:32] Speaker 1: and shouting and carrying on, which of course means that
[34:35] Speaker 1: she never wants anyone to ever show the misogyny speech
[34:37] Speaker 1: ever again, because Ray's voices is not good in Australian Parliament, unless,
[34:41] Speaker 1: of course it's hers in defense of Peter Slipper. That's right.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Remember we remember on this show she says, among other things,
[34:50] Speaker 1: a way of getting rid of the rah rah from
[34:52] Speaker 1: Parliament is that rather than you know, the government sits
[34:54] Speaker 1: one side the opposition sits on the other, that you
[34:56] Speaker 1: kind of mix everything up. Quote. I've advocated in the
[34:59] Speaker 1: past to try and randomize the seating in parliament. Seats
[35:01] Speaker 1: are allocated on one side, the opposition the opposite, and
[35:05] Speaker 1: some independence in the middle. But if you're all sitting
[35:07] Speaker 1: next to each other, like Tories next to Tories, or
[35:10] Speaker 1: Liberals in this case, or Labor or lib Dems, then
[35:13] Speaker 1: well you far less likely to be turning and going yeah, yeah, yeah,
[35:16] Speaker 1: and across the chamber. Do you think this is the
[35:19] Speaker 1: necessary changes that we need to make parliament less yelly?
[35:22] Speaker 1: But I sort of thought that yes. While yelling could
[35:25] Speaker 1: be considered a little bit sort of in the modern
[35:27] Speaker 1: world to be a little bit too masculine, the reality
[35:30] Speaker 1: is that the contest of ideas should evoke passion, regardless
[35:35] Speaker 1: of whether you are male female. They then are liberal
[35:39] Speaker 1: labor or Tiffany Teal ed what do you think.
[35:44] Speaker 6: Well, Look, my general view on this is that, look,
[35:47] Speaker 6: people are sick about a lot of things. When it
[35:49] Speaker 6: comes to politicians. You're showing these sort of social media
[35:53] Speaker 6: gimmicky eclips before. I think people are sick of some
[35:55] Speaker 6: of that stuff. I think they're sick of soundbites on
[35:57] Speaker 6: TV news programs. I think he to parliamentary Rhetorican parliamentary
[36:02] Speaker 6: debate is actually something that people probably aren't as sick
[36:04] Speaker 6: of as some of those other features. I think it
[36:06] Speaker 6: is an important part of the system, having that degree
[36:08] Speaker 6: of adversarialism. Look, Shan's in there, he'll be able to
[36:11] Speaker 6: speak to this more and what that is actually like
[36:13] Speaker 6: when you're on the ground. But I'm not sure if
[36:15] Speaker 6: it actually fundamentally ruptures the relationships across party lines as well.
[36:18] Speaker 1: Either.
[36:19] Speaker 6: People kind of accept that as as part of the
[36:21] Speaker 6: fabric of parliamentary debate. I do think there is an
[36:24] Speaker 6: issue though, with Dorothy Dix's and some of the other
[36:26] Speaker 6: ways of question time run that could be reformed to
[36:29] Speaker 6: just make it much better and much more productive for
[36:32] Speaker 6: the average viewer.
[36:34] Speaker 1: I also like about the British system that basically it's
[36:36] Speaker 1: a prime ministry has taken them from everywhere, taking them
[36:38] Speaker 1: from the back, being taken them from and they're all
[36:40] Speaker 1: essentially difficult questions. It's not just like what are the
[36:44] Speaker 1: alternative policies and then you insert three minutes of board
[36:46] Speaker 1: them Sean Again, when you're in the Senate chamber, people
[36:50] Speaker 1: have always told me, who've had the honor of serving
[36:52] Speaker 1: upstairs or downstairs, that it's a lot louder than you
[36:55] Speaker 1: see on television. And because the microphone is only on
[36:58] Speaker 1: you the speaker, some of the heckels are very audible,
[37:03] Speaker 1: but the microphone doesn't pick them up. Is that true, Paul?
[37:10] Speaker 11: I think when you're down there on the floor, it
[37:12] Speaker 11: is a very robust place, but that's all part of it.
[37:15] Speaker 11: And I think Australians want to see their politicians engage
[37:19] Speaker 11: in rough debates.
[37:19] Speaker 1: And I think it was very interesting to.
[37:21] Speaker 11: See Julia Gillard come out and bring this up, because
[37:24] Speaker 11: you know, she gave as good as she got and
[37:26] Speaker 11: fiercely so.
[37:28] Speaker 1: So I actually think.
[37:29] Speaker 11: This probably speaks to a new generation of sort of
[37:32] Speaker 11: young labor progressive politicians who might have a little bit
[37:34] Speaker 11: of a glass jaw, you know. And I also think
[37:37] Speaker 11: it's a sort of call from the former prime minister
[37:40] Speaker 11: trying this. This is a call for less transparency. They
[37:43] Speaker 11: don't want that is the last thing a Labor government
[37:45] Speaker 11: was is for people to be arguing robustly against their policies.
[37:50] Speaker 11: So look, I've been down there a few times now
[37:52] Speaker 11: and I'm not at all bothered by it, and so
[37:54] Speaker 11: I think I hope that it continues. I don't want
[37:56] Speaker 11: to see any of these changes. I think Australians want
[37:58] Speaker 11: to see our politicians focused on actually changing real politics
[38:02] Speaker 11: and not about where people are sitting in Parliament.
[38:04] Speaker 1: Now, by the way, everyone needs to know that by
[38:06] Speaker 1: this time tomorrow night, or maybe about this on tomorrow night,
[38:09] Speaker 1: we should have a trailer for the Pulling Hanson movie,
[38:12] Speaker 1: which is coming out on Australia Day. It's going to
[38:15] Speaker 1: be very exciting and it's going to ruffle all the
[38:18] Speaker 1: right feathers. Okay, So if somehow you can get the
[38:22] Speaker 1: text of a trailer into handsard, good luck to you, Sean,
[38:26] Speaker 1: would be fun to see in the next few days,
[38:29] Speaker 1: all right, ed, something nothing to do with politics. Black Friday, Now,
[38:33] Speaker 1: of course, this is the first day of the pre
[38:35] Speaker 1: Christmas sales, which is supposed to happen the day after Thanksgiving,
[38:38] Speaker 1: which is supposed to be one day, one day, the
[38:41] Speaker 1: last Friday in November. But Black Friday Cyber Monday seems
[38:45] Speaker 1: to go for a whole lot longer than a day.
[38:48] Speaker 1: Are you the type of person who goes nuts over
[38:49] Speaker 1: this staff? Are you jumping on the twelve and a
[38:52] Speaker 1: half percent off stuff, or you, like me, are desperately
[38:57] Speaker 1: disappointed that ten minutes before midnight on Christmas they don't deliver.
[39:04] Speaker 6: Look, I would if my wife is watching this, she'll
[39:07] Speaker 6: be shocked at me having any authoritative opinion on Black
[39:09] Speaker 6: Friday or on sales of anything like this going into
[39:12] Speaker 6: the Christmas period. I got to confess I'm one of
[39:14] Speaker 6: those folks that literally like the day before Christmas bars
[39:16] Speaker 6: or my presence, you know, cops all of the extra
[39:19] Speaker 6: cost of that. So in terms of this particular shift
[39:22] Speaker 6: we're seeing, I mean, it's a bit of an americanization
[39:24] Speaker 6: of our November period. I don't know if that's a
[39:27] Speaker 6: good or a bad thing, but look, it's part of
[39:29] Speaker 6: the fabric now and we're seeing consumers really do respond
[39:31] Speaker 6: to it.
[39:32] Speaker 1: That's it. If people are into Halloween, and again my
[39:34] Speaker 1: kids were this year, so given over to it again.
[39:37] Speaker 1: If it's legit, bargain's awesome. If it's just sort of
[39:39] Speaker 1: twenty percent off the twenty one percent that we put
[39:42] Speaker 1: it up by the night before, which I think's illegal,
[39:45] Speaker 1: but still not a great idea. All right, Sean, give
[39:47] Speaker 1: me a bold prediction for the weak ahead. Right, what
[39:49] Speaker 1: is definitely happening this time or over the next seven days.
[39:56] Speaker 11: Paul, you stole my scoop. I was actually going to
[39:59] Speaker 11: make a bold prediction that on Tuesday, that One Nation
[40:01] Speaker 11: trailer that they're going to drop is going to break
[40:03] Speaker 11: the internet. I think it'll be a day of tears.
[40:06] Speaker 11: You'll have them crying with laughter, the people with a
[40:08] Speaker 11: sense of humor, and the ones without a sense of
[40:10] Speaker 11: humor will just be crying. Paul. So I'd say people
[40:13] Speaker 11: keep their eyes focused on that because that is going
[40:15] Speaker 11: to be a big one.
[40:16] Speaker 1: It's super fast make prediction.
[40:20] Speaker 6: I don't think you can get through the week as
[40:22] Speaker 6: the opposition leader without there being a great deal of
[40:24] Speaker 6: speculation and attention on what she's actually going to do
[40:26] Speaker 6: around the leadership. Going into summer, going into early next year,
[40:30] Speaker 6: are going to see a South Australian election where the
[40:32] Speaker 6: Liberals get trounced. It's a really tough time for the
[40:35] Speaker 6: opposition leader. With this much leadership speculation, You're going to
[40:37] Speaker 6: need to bring that to a head at some point.
[40:39] Speaker 6: And I suspect we might see something of that nature
[40:41] Speaker 6: this week.
[40:42] Speaker 1: Surprise empty chair or all the rest of it or people.
[40:45] Speaker 1: We'll all see and a'll find out together. Thank you, mate,
[40:47] Speaker 1: to appreciate it. All the best boys, we'll see you.
[40:49] Speaker 1: And again you have that one nation trailer the second
[40:50] Speaker 1: we can well, I'm going to show it too. It's
[40:53] Speaker 1: going to be good, all right. Mark Dolan joins us.
[40:55] Speaker 1: In a moment or two, it's time from the United Kingdom.
[40:57] Speaker 1: Fergie has given an interview now again, remember she divorced
[41:01] Speaker 1: the bloke who is the former Prince what thirty years ago,
[41:04] Speaker 1: Yet she's still giving interviews because of course until recently
[41:07] Speaker 1: wasn't she living also at one of the royal cottages.
[41:12] Speaker 1: More in a sec with Mark, it is always astronomical
[41:19] Speaker 1: to me that anyone cares about Fergie, that of course,
[41:23] Speaker 1: being the former princess of who cares from thirty years ago?
[41:27] Speaker 1: But they are lining up to talk to her because
[41:29] Speaker 1: she may have somebody to say about the former Prince
[41:31] Speaker 1: Andrew Mark Dolan, of course, her host, broadcaster, wonderful fellow
[41:36] Speaker 1: at Talk TV in the United Kingdom. He of course
[41:38] Speaker 1: has to keep on this beat because he knows that
[41:42] Speaker 1: when she's got a chance to give an interview, she
[41:45] Speaker 1: may say something that we will interpret as a real answer,
[41:49] Speaker 1: even though we both know it's probably going to be garbage.
[41:53] Speaker 4: Hi, Paul, so great to have you back, And yes
[41:58] Speaker 4: there is trouble in paradise.
[41:59] Speaker 10: She would.
[42:00] Speaker 4: I think it's a real honor to be a member
[42:01] Speaker 4: of the royal family. You never have to pay a bill.
[42:03] Speaker 4: You've got luxury, You've got waiters and butlers and everything
[42:07] Speaker 4: taking care of your every need. But actually the king
[42:10] Speaker 4: has got a major problem now, a big headache. He thought, Paul,
[42:14] Speaker 4: that he put the Andrew issue to bed by stripping
[42:16] Speaker 4: him of the prince title and the Duke of York's title,
[42:20] Speaker 4: all of that's gone, chucking him out of the royal lodge.
[42:23] Speaker 4: It hasn't worked, because there is a loose cannon. There
[42:25] Speaker 4: is a very ginger head elephant in the room, and
[42:29] Speaker 4: it is Fergie, who of course is one of the
[42:30] Speaker 4: most recognizable figures in the world, and she's not happy.
[42:34] Speaker 4: She's got an extra grind because she has been evicted
[42:37] Speaker 4: from the luxury thirty room royal lodge that she cohabited
[42:41] Speaker 4: in with Prince Andrew, and so she's homeless and she's
[42:45] Speaker 4: got big money problems, Paul. She purchased an investment property
[42:49] Speaker 4: in Maydafair in central London, one of the most premium
[42:51] Speaker 4: parts of the capital, for over four million dollars, and
[42:55] Speaker 4: she's selling it at a loss of almost a million dollars.
[43:00] Speaker 10: Has got financial problems.
[43:01] Speaker 4: Plus she wants to set the record straight about her
[43:04] Speaker 4: links with Epstein. She feels that she's been thrown under
[43:07] Speaker 4: the bus that it was Andrew's ill advised relationship with
[43:11] Speaker 4: the disgraced ex financier, and therefore she's got the record
[43:15] Speaker 4: to set straight. She needs the cash and it's very
[43:17] Speaker 4: possible that she will sign a million dollar deal to
[43:21] Speaker 4: spill the beans.
[43:22] Speaker 1: Do you think that she's sort of got like a
[43:24] Speaker 1: super nanny two point zerowner where she will take on
[43:27] Speaker 1: a new character in the United States where she's running
[43:30] Speaker 1: around sort of saying clean your room. I order you,
[43:32] Speaker 1: as ex former printer, clean your life, because okay, she
[43:36] Speaker 1: gives the interview. There's a little bit of coin there.
[43:38] Speaker 1: But if you're losing a million bucks on your house,
[43:41] Speaker 1: there's got to be a twenty eighth act here, isn't there.
[43:44] Speaker 10: They've got to be there.
[43:45] Speaker 4: Could be the super nanny. She sounds like she'd be
[43:47] Speaker 4: a good dominatrix. Okay, who knows what she's going to do.
[43:51] Speaker 4: The bottom line is that she knows where the bodies
[43:54] Speaker 4: are buried, Okay. And Paul, She's obviously, you know, had
[43:57] Speaker 4: books out before about her life, and she's done interviews
[44:00] Speaker 4: about being a royal and then an ex royal, so
[44:03] Speaker 4: she's no stranger to publicity and the media spotlight. But
[44:07] Speaker 4: the difference is that everything she's ever written or said
[44:09] Speaker 4: in the past has been done with Fergie within the
[44:13] Speaker 4: Royal fold as a member of the firm, because yes,
[44:16] Speaker 4: the marriage to Andrew ended, but they've been cohabiting in
[44:20] Speaker 4: quite a friendly capacity for the last twenty years. The
[44:23] Speaker 4: problem you've got now is that Charles has cut her off,
[44:27] Speaker 4: basically cut her loose.
[44:28] Speaker 10: She's left, or she's about to leave the Royal Lodge.
[44:31] Speaker 4: She's got no roof over her head, financial problems and
[44:35] Speaker 4: possibly an appetite for revenge. Now, it's my understanding that
[44:39] Speaker 4: she's quite depressed. She's in a very low state, she's
[44:41] Speaker 4: worried about her finances and she feels that she's been
[44:45] Speaker 4: wrongly represented in the media.
[44:48] Speaker 10: So watch this space.
[44:49] Speaker 4: The person that's got the most to fear about this
[44:51] Speaker 4: is not Andrew, because it's priced in that the guy's
[44:54] Speaker 4: a loser. He's a disgrace. There is no reputation to salvage.
[44:57] Speaker 4: The big problem is for King Charles because this, the
[45:00] Speaker 4: whole scandal, threatens to taint his entire reign as monarch.
[45:04] Speaker 1: Now Australia, despite the promises of transparency of our left
[45:09] Speaker 1: wing government employees, they of course buried the issue of
[45:13] Speaker 1: COVID why because of the expose the failures of state governments.
[45:17] Speaker 1: They wanted to focus on the failure of an already
[45:19] Speaker 1: dumped federal government. Now in the UK, you were going
[45:24] Speaker 1: through quite a long, torturous process of continuing to talk
[45:26] Speaker 1: about it, having an inquiry, having experts. But rather than
[45:30] Speaker 1: coming back and saying holanng On did we go too hard,
[45:33] Speaker 1: essentially it said they didn't go hard enough at the start,
[45:36] Speaker 1: Because of course that is all a way of blaming
[45:38] Speaker 1: the former government rather than setting the rules for future pandemics.
[45:41] Speaker 1: And Boris Johnson, the former Prime Minister, is not happy
[45:45] Speaker 1: and no he's.
[45:46] Speaker 10: Not happy at all.
[45:46] Speaker 4: He said that this scandalous COVID inquiry has been a
[45:50] Speaker 4: waste of money and it's been totally muddled, and I
[45:53] Speaker 4: find it hard to disagree this inquiry the cost four
[45:57] Speaker 4: hundred million dollars for the establishish to pat themselves on
[46:01] Speaker 4: the back and say, yeah, it made perfect sense to
[46:03] Speaker 4: have a Communist Party inspired policy of lockdowns, to destroy
[46:07] Speaker 4: the economy, to create a generation of damaged kids who
[46:11] Speaker 4: couldn't go to school, to create a tsunami of mental
[46:14] Speaker 4: health problems, and in the UK and a NHS waiting
[46:17] Speaker 4: list of nine million people. But note this expensive inquiry
[46:21] Speaker 4: says well done everyone.
[46:22] Speaker 10: All we needed was more of the same.
[46:24] Speaker 4: And as you mentioned, the line from this inquiry is
[46:28] Speaker 4: that if we'd gone into lockdown a week earlier, somehow
[46:32] Speaker 4: everything would have been rosy in the garden now. I
[46:35] Speaker 4: watched with great interest Paul during the pandemic about what
[46:37] Speaker 4: was happening in Australia which basically kind of closed the border,
[46:41] Speaker 4: and it was really really tough for people's civil liberties.
[46:45] Speaker 10: The impact on the economy.
[46:46] Speaker 4: We had the same in the UK, and the feeling
[46:49] Speaker 4: among Brits here in this country is that we're paying
[46:52] Speaker 4: the price for completely the wrong policy. Now, don't get
[46:55] Speaker 4: me wrong, COVID was the most awful disease, a very
[46:58] Speaker 4: very nasty virus in theory of the world. We've never
[47:01] Speaker 4: stopped a seasonal respiratory virus, which is what COVID was.
[47:04] Speaker 4: It's never been done successfully. And yet somehow the arrogance
[47:08] Speaker 4: of the state thought that we can pay people to
[47:09] Speaker 4: stay home and somehow we will arrest the spread of
[47:13] Speaker 4: this pathogen. It didn't happen, and now you've really got
[47:16] Speaker 4: a broken country as a result.
[47:18] Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if your algorithm is anything like mine,
[47:21] Speaker 1: but European country that I like the strength of at
[47:23] Speaker 1: the moment is Poland, right, and everything I see about
[47:26] Speaker 1: a Polish Prime minister or a Polish president if they'd
[47:29] Speaker 1: been in charge. So whatever they did in COVID, let's
[47:31] Speaker 1: do it all right, Thank you mate, all of us
[47:33] Speaker 1: will talk to you soon. The great Mark Dole somebody
[47:35] Speaker 1: will say, did you know they said this to It's
[47:37] Speaker 1: a joke? Joyce relaxed, all right, quick break back with
[47:39] Speaker 1: more plenty more to talk about, including well, yes, if
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[47:50] Speaker 1: take it wherever you go. In a second, the American
[47:52] Speaker 1: lefty commentator who says something that's actually makes sense. Next,
[48:01] Speaker 1: before we go, I'm a big fan of Bill Maher,
[48:02] Speaker 1: a comedian, that lifting comedian, and he's sort of showing
[48:05] Speaker 1: HBO in the United States. He decided to have a
[48:08] Speaker 1: go at the talk show host Jimmy Kimmel, but more
[48:10] Speaker 1: importantly his wife. Why because she is the head writer
[48:13] Speaker 1: of the show who goes a little too far with
[48:16] Speaker 1: her family.
[48:16] Speaker 12: Perhaps Molly McNerney, Jimmy Kimmel's wife and head writer, went
[48:22] Speaker 12: public on this topic recently, so I feel it's fair
[48:25] Speaker 12: to comment respectfully in public. She says she's lost relationships
[48:30] Speaker 12: with relatives because she wrote them an email before the
[48:33] Speaker 12: election with ten reasons why they shouldn't vote for Trump,
[48:37] Speaker 12: and some still didn't obey.
[48:40] Speaker 10: So you know.
[48:45] Speaker 12: Ten reasons. I can think of one hundred, but I
[48:49] Speaker 12: would never present it to someone as an ultimatum. Ultimatums
[48:53] Speaker 12: don't make people rethink their politics. They make them rethink you.
[48:57] Speaker 1: One hundred percent. We could care as much as we
[48:59] Speaker 1: do about politics. We can agree to disagree, we can
[49:02] Speaker 1: sometimes even disagree fervently with people, But we don't question
[49:05] Speaker 1: their humanity. We don't question how much they are loved
[49:07] Speaker 1: by their family, they love their family, and how good
[49:09] Speaker 1: they are as mates to each other, even though that's
[49:12] Speaker 1: what sometimes they think about us. But still I agree
[49:16] Speaker 1: with him. That's our chafe. No see you again tomorrow.
[49:18] Speaker 1: News NINETI is next

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