# Paul Murray Live | 20 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 20 Oct 2025, 50 min.

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What Australians want from Albanese ahead of his crucial meeting with Donald Trump, Wayne Cheeseman slams violent protesters. Plus, the independents who raked in millions during the election campaign. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you,
[0:06] Speaker 1: Cherry gay mate.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Lots to get to tonight, including we will go a
[0:11] Speaker 2: little further on the reporting the charity just brought you
[0:13] Speaker 2: about Matt Canavan and where he thinks the future of
[0:16] Speaker 2: the coalition itself goes if net zero remains the policy
[0:21] Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. We'll get to all of that,
[0:23] Speaker 2: plus a whole lot more with him in a moment
[0:26] Speaker 2: or two's time.
[0:27] Speaker 1: There's a lot that the Teals and Clyde.
[0:29] Speaker 2: Palmer have in common, and yes it has a lot
[0:32] Speaker 2: to do with cash and electoral cash. But there's some
[0:34] Speaker 2: details that I need to give you that you haven't
[0:36] Speaker 2: quite heard, because I've spent the day digging right into
[0:39] Speaker 2: the details in and around donations and spending and where
[0:43] Speaker 2: the Australian democracy is going not in a great place.
[0:46] Speaker 1: And we go to London. Mark Dolan is our dear
[0:48] Speaker 1: friend there.
[0:49] Speaker 2: He will join us from London to discuss many a matter,
[0:52] Speaker 2: including of course the very latest when it comes to
[0:54] Speaker 2: Prince Andrew.
[0:56] Speaker 1: But first there is a very.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Fiery experience which has just happened on Australian television and
[1:03] Speaker 2: it is unsurprisingly the taxpayer funded leftist media going after
[1:07] Speaker 2: one of.
[1:08] Speaker 1: Its favorite targets.
[1:09] Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce was on the seven thirty Reporters seven thirty,
[1:12] Speaker 2: as it is known now, we all know that twenty
[1:15] Speaker 2: four hours ago we were dealing with the scenario of
[1:19] Speaker 2: what happens next in Barnaby Joyce's career. Well, he's said
[1:22] Speaker 2: it very clearly that obviously the relationship with the Nazis
[1:25] Speaker 2: could put Obviously he has been re elected as the
[1:28] Speaker 2: local member for New England. He will remain as that
[1:30] Speaker 2: local member for New England. But what happens after that,
[1:33] Speaker 2: well it is quite the discussion. But obviously whether he
[1:36] Speaker 2: would choose to join one nation probably won't happen during
[1:40] Speaker 2: this period of time in the Parliament. What happens next year,
[1:44] Speaker 2: what happens the year after that will all know together.
[1:47] Speaker 2: But the feverish speculation of the past couple of days
[1:50] Speaker 2: has probably got a little bit out of hand. But
[1:53] Speaker 2: what about over the top? Here is the host of
[1:56] Speaker 2: the show, Sarah Ferguson, trying her best to try to
[2:02] Speaker 2: catch Barnaby Joyce out, but Barnaby's way smarter than that.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Have a look at this rubbish which paraded as an
[2:08] Speaker 2: interview tonight.
[2:10] Speaker 3: This idea that I mean, continual communication with Pauline Hansen
[2:14] Speaker 3: is absurd last night because we seem to be doing
[2:17] Speaker 3: this via media. I did ring and I said, well,
[2:19] Speaker 3: you know, let's take out the middleman and let's talk
[2:21] Speaker 3: to each other direct and you discuss Did you discuss
[2:25] Speaker 3: those you discuss details of those discussions.
[2:28] Speaker 4: This is a simple question for the.
[2:32] Speaker 1: Question, but I'll give the answer that I w.
[2:36] Speaker 2: Oh it keeps going because of course somehow she was
[2:39] Speaker 2: going to trap him as somehow jumping to one nation tomorrow.
[2:44] Speaker 2: Well he wasn't going to have any of that. Remember,
[2:46] Speaker 2: the facts are on the table. The rest of it
[2:48] Speaker 2: is speculation. He is not going to be running again
[2:51] Speaker 2: as the local member for New England, but between now
[2:53] Speaker 2: and the next election, which of course is two and
[2:56] Speaker 2: a half years away, he will remain as a member
[2:58] Speaker 2: of the Federal Parliament, the lower house representing New England.
[3:02] Speaker 2: But he is her second try and the National Party.
[3:05] Speaker 4: Barby Joyce, I think, take take the audience seriously, take
[3:08] Speaker 4: the viewers seriously.
[3:09] Speaker 1: You know you can't be any more serious than what
[3:13] Speaker 1: I know perfectly. Well, I'm being totally serious with you.
[3:18] Speaker 4: You know that the National Party is close to announcing
[3:21] Speaker 4: its policy that it will change its policy on net zero,
[3:25] Speaker 4: exactly what you've been asking.
[3:26] Speaker 1: For four months, Sarah.
[3:27] Speaker 4: So would that be enough for you to remain in
[3:30] Speaker 4: the National Party. It's a pretty simple question, Barnaby Joyce on.
[3:33] Speaker 3: Behalf of your million viewers and congratulations. I will make
[3:38] Speaker 3: a statement about that when that happens. If that happens,
[3:42] Speaker 3: it hasn't happened, Sarah, unless you're saying that you're absolutely
[3:45] Speaker 3: Are you absolutely certain it's going to happen, Sarah?
[3:47] Speaker 4: I think you're your contacts in the National Party are
[3:51] Speaker 4: better than mine.
[3:53] Speaker 1: I doubt that very much at the moment. So what
[3:55] Speaker 1: are your views? Well, why don't we move on?
[3:59] Speaker 2: All right, let's have a look look at to take Three.
[4:05] Speaker 4: Weeks ago you said this was not about David little Proud.
[4:10] Speaker 4: Now you're saying it is about David little Proud. Is
[4:13] Speaker 4: it about David Little Proud? Is it about net zero?
[4:16] Speaker 1: Or is it about yourself? Or do you want to
[4:18] Speaker 1: interview Do you want to interview yourself?
[4:21] Speaker 4: Three choices?
[4:22] Speaker 1: Choose one. Ideally, it doesn't work like that, Sarah. It
[4:27] Speaker 1: doesn't work of Sarah. That's making a value judgment. Don't
[4:30] Speaker 1: get so hot under the collar. See.
[4:32] Speaker 2: This is the reality, which is that for much of
[4:35] Speaker 2: the establishment media, their understanding of the National Party, their
[4:38] Speaker 2: understanding of one nation. They don't even bother to actually
[4:42] Speaker 2: look into what has been said, the interviews that happened here,
[4:45] Speaker 2: the reportage, or what's actually going on. Instead, this is
[4:49] Speaker 2: a caricature. These are the people standing the way of
[4:50] Speaker 2: the great progress of the left when they win at
[4:53] Speaker 2: some sort of a national tragedy, and when the left wings,
[4:56] Speaker 2: of course it is a permanent revolution.
[4:59] Speaker 1: All we know is what we know.
[5:02] Speaker 2: And because I trust both Barnaby Joyce and Pauline Hanson,
[5:06] Speaker 2: I'm taking them at their word. And the word is
[5:09] Speaker 2: that he is done with being put into the naughty quarter,
[5:13] Speaker 2: put up the back of the bus, remember, not allowed
[5:16] Speaker 2: to leave his electorate, despite of course how effective he
[5:19] Speaker 2: is as a campaigner both regionally and for many people
[5:24] Speaker 2: in metropolitan areas. So he gets it, all right, you
[5:27] Speaker 2: don't want me, that's fine. I'll give you a chance
[5:29] Speaker 2: to find somebody else. The One nation of it all
[5:33] Speaker 2: again has been largely media speculation now in the interview
[5:39] Speaker 2: that Barnaby gave tonight and Pauline Hanson has given tonight.
[5:43] Speaker 2: They have not been having secret chats. They have not
[5:46] Speaker 2: been having some rolling WhatsApp conversation. Yes, there's occasional bumping
[5:53] Speaker 2: into each other. There's an obvious philosophical alignment that's taking place.
[5:57] Speaker 2: And now that he has said that he doesn't want
[5:59] Speaker 2: to be part of the National Party, well then there's
[6:02] Speaker 2: an obvious option for him to continue in Australian politics.
[6:06] Speaker 2: But something that I jumped on last night was confirmed
[6:09] Speaker 2: again tonight, which is that this is not about a
[6:13] Speaker 2: succession plan for the leadership of one nation.
[6:16] Speaker 1: As I told you last night.
[6:18] Speaker 2: If you have been watching, and I know you have been,
[6:21] Speaker 2: but if you've actually been listening to what Lee Hansen
[6:24] Speaker 2: has been saying, if you've been listening to what James
[6:26] Speaker 2: Ashby has been saying, if you've been listening to what
[6:28] Speaker 2: Paul Lane has been saying, the options for the future
[6:31] Speaker 2: of the party, a party that, by the way, now
[6:34] Speaker 2: has more senators than ever before. And that's of course
[6:37] Speaker 2: when the tide was going out supposedly on center right politics.
[6:41] Speaker 2: In terms of the fight between Team Red and Team Blue,
[6:45] Speaker 2: they're running very close to winning Senate seats, including the
[6:48] Speaker 2: one that Lee was trying to get as opposed to
[6:51] Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby being able to just fall over the line.
[6:54] Speaker 2: It was a very tight race in Tasmanian She was
[6:56] Speaker 2: doing that only after a few months an off astanding start.
[6:59] Speaker 2: What will happen in three years time? I hope Lee
[7:01] Speaker 2: Hanson makes her way into the parliament because of course Lamby,
[7:06] Speaker 2: who doesn't really have the network anymore, doesn't really have
[7:09] Speaker 2: an interest in running in Tasmanian state politics. There's not
[7:13] Speaker 2: going to be the obvious second person like Tammy Tyrell
[7:17] Speaker 2: was able to get. So there's a very good chance
[7:19] Speaker 2: that Lee Hanson ends up joining the Parliament in three years.
[7:22] Speaker 2: And in three years time, Pauline Hanson will yet again
[7:25] Speaker 2: recontest and hopefully win the Senate seat in Queensland that
[7:29] Speaker 2: she has had since twenty and sixteen. That means there
[7:32] Speaker 2: is a six year term for Pauline Hansen to have
[7:36] Speaker 2: as her third term as a Senator from Queensland.
[7:39] Speaker 1: So while the ABC will get a lot of.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Fun and TikTok, no doubt we'll love chewing up the
[7:45] Speaker 2: caricature that he is everything to do with the right
[7:48] Speaker 2: and center right parties of Australian politics. The reality is,
[7:53] Speaker 2: listen to what they say, it's not like they're hiding,
[7:55] Speaker 2: and they're not hiding in plain sight. Here's Pauline saying
[7:59] Speaker 2: exactly what you have always known Pauline has said, which
[8:02] Speaker 2: is she ain't going anywhere. The party's only getting stronger
[8:06] Speaker 2: and she will be its leader until she chooses otherwise,
[8:10] Speaker 2: and that ain't any time soon.
[8:13] Speaker 5: I had a chuckle over the fact that Phil Courry
[8:16] Speaker 5: from a financial review wrote that he was going to
[8:19] Speaker 5: take and be the leader of the party or one
[8:21] Speaker 5: of them app through joke. You know that if you
[8:23] Speaker 5: think that I'm going to bring Barbie Across, who's not
[8:26] Speaker 5: even a member of the party, in mind you, I
[8:28] Speaker 5: haven't got a foot in the grave yet, Phil, and chrissake.
[8:32] Speaker 5: If I'm going to look at any succession plan, I
[8:34] Speaker 5: do have my daughter coming on board, and I've got
[8:36] Speaker 5: a fantastic person and James Ashby, who's been beside me
[8:40] Speaker 5: since I've come back to the party to lead it
[8:42] Speaker 5: again in twenty fifteen.
[8:45] Speaker 2: As you know, by the time you wake up tomorrow,
[8:47] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of Australia will have sat down for
[8:50] Speaker 2: a meeting with the President of the United States. It
[8:54] Speaker 2: will be the third time in a few years that
[8:56] Speaker 2: an Australian Prime minister has sat in the Oval Office.
[8:58] Speaker 2: You remember we were there for Scott Morrison when it
[9:00] Speaker 2: was his meeting with Donald Trump. We watched from Afar
[9:03] Speaker 2: when it was Joe Biden giving the red carpet treatment.
[9:06] Speaker 2: And we will all find out what happens at about
[9:09] Speaker 2: two three o'clock in the morning when these guys actually
[9:11] Speaker 2: end up meeting. Now, despite the fact I don't like
[9:15] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, I think the best of Team Australia
[9:17] Speaker 2: and I want it to be a good meeting.
[9:18] Speaker 1: And let's be honest.
[9:20] Speaker 2: While there are many people, including maybe myself in some
[9:23] Speaker 2: parts somewhere, who would love to see this sort of
[9:25] Speaker 2: Zielinsky like blow up between a lefty and Donald Trump
[9:31] Speaker 2: who virtually disagree on more than they will agree on,
[9:34] Speaker 2: this thing's going to go fine. The American media won't
[9:37] Speaker 2: pay any attention to the visit because there's a government shutdown.
[9:41] Speaker 2: There's also matters to do with an apparent meeting in
[9:44] Speaker 2: the Oval Office in the past few days with Zelynskin
[9:46] Speaker 2: Trump where they were talking about which bits of the
[9:49] Speaker 2: country we're going to be traded up to get Russia
[9:51] Speaker 2: to back off. There's a lot of other things, so
[9:53] Speaker 2: it'll only be the Australian media that will really be
[9:56] Speaker 2: interested in the interaction. There will no doubt be many
[9:59] Speaker 2: people that will tell us the body language of both
[10:01] Speaker 2: leaders says they hate each other or they love each other.
[10:04] Speaker 2: But of course Team Australian means I hope the meeting
[10:07] Speaker 2: goes well, but as always, sometimes we have to burst
[10:10] Speaker 2: the bubble. And interestingly, some polling came out today about
[10:13] Speaker 2: what Australians expectations of the meeting will actually be.
[10:18] Speaker 1: And while I am a.
[10:18] Speaker 2: Fan of Trump and I am happy with what is
[10:20] Speaker 2: happening in the United States, remember in part Albinize was
[10:23] Speaker 2: able to win the last election in the way that
[10:25] Speaker 2: he did by pretending that anyone but him.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Was too close to MAGA.
[10:30] Speaker 2: Forty eight percent of people say that it simply should
[10:32] Speaker 2: be polite to Trump, but be firm in representing Australian values.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Is that a surprise to you.
[10:37] Speaker 2: Twenty five percent of people want him to blow up
[10:40] Speaker 2: at Donald Trump presumably, thirteen percent of people are more
[10:44] Speaker 2: looking at Trump being able to maybe give him a whack,
[10:47] Speaker 2: and fourteen percent of people are too busy to really care.
[10:50] Speaker 2: Amongst labor voters. Again, the vast majority want it to
[10:54] Speaker 2: be polite, which is what it will be. Half of
[10:56] Speaker 2: coalition the same. Unsurprisingly, thirty nine percent of Green's voters
[11:01] Speaker 2: they're the ones who would like Albert to blow up
[11:03] Speaker 2: at the president.
[11:04] Speaker 1: Well, that ain't going to happen.
[11:06] Speaker 2: And again the vast majority of the other voters, which
[11:09] Speaker 2: go everywhere from til to one nation. Again, this thing
[11:12] Speaker 2: will be exactly what you think. It will be uneventful.
[11:16] Speaker 2: No matter how much the Australian media will pretend that
[11:18] Speaker 2: it's a major moment for both leaders, it won't be.
[11:22] Speaker 2: If you want to watch it live, it happens in
[11:23] Speaker 2: the middle of the night. They'll be full coverage again
[11:25] Speaker 2: in the morning with Andrew Clenell, who's in Washington for
[11:28] Speaker 2: the meeting, and Pete Stefanovick of course with first edition.
[11:32] Speaker 1: Make sure you.
[11:33] Speaker 2: Start the day there and check everything out in between.
[11:35] Speaker 2: It's Gonnews, dot com dot Au. Now many Australians have
[11:40] Speaker 2: instantly fallen in love with The Victorian police commander who
[11:44] Speaker 2: called it out said it like it is about the
[11:47] Speaker 2: disgrace that is mad protesters in Melbourne who pretend to
[11:52] Speaker 2: be more pure than others, but are more violent than most.
[12:00] Speaker 1: These were being throwed at police.
[12:02] Speaker 6: Bottles filled with shards of glass were being thrown of
[12:05] Speaker 6: the police. Bins were put on fire, flags were on fire,
[12:10] Speaker 6: and I think you know really enough enough.
[12:13] Speaker 2: So excellent reporting is worth noting here too, is that
[12:16] Speaker 2: despite the fact that Wayne Cheeseman said this about who
[12:22] Speaker 2: was doing the damage.
[12:25] Speaker 6: People that came to pick the fight with police were
[12:27] Speaker 6: the issue motivated groups on the left. I can tell
[12:30] Speaker 6: you that the March for Australia group, they were peaceful,
[12:34] Speaker 6: they were engaging, They listened to our instructions, they did
[12:37] Speaker 6: what they were told, and they protested by example.
[12:41] Speaker 2: But as my colleagues read A. Panicky and Chris Kenny
[12:44] Speaker 2: have already pointed out, if you exclusively were watching much
[12:48] Speaker 2: of the establishment media, they tried to pretend there was
[12:52] Speaker 2: sort of a problem with everyone or somehow the problem
[12:55] Speaker 2: was more so about the March for Australia people. This
[12:57] Speaker 2: time around, the March for Australia has zero is use
[13:00] Speaker 2: in terms of how it actually conducted itself, both in
[13:03] Speaker 2: preparation and execution of their right to protest. They even
[13:08] Speaker 2: went to the process of trying to work with police
[13:12] Speaker 2: to be able to make sure that they were the
[13:13] Speaker 2: ones that would be causing no trouble. Skynews dot com
[13:16] Speaker 2: dot au also does an excellent breakdown and I would
[13:19] Speaker 2: suggest you go and have a look at that story
[13:20] Speaker 2: about how that fact was deliberately ignored and in many ways,
[13:25] Speaker 2: bias by omission is something that we all need to
[13:29] Speaker 2: get a bit more into to actually understand about how
[13:32] Speaker 2: the media spins the ball or the rock in this case.
[13:37] Speaker 2: But I wanted to tell you a little bit more
[13:39] Speaker 2: about that impressive bloke who speaks on the behalf of
[13:42] Speaker 2: a city and a state and a country that has
[13:44] Speaker 2: had enough of this four fifths of bugger all people
[13:47] Speaker 2: who are determined to continue to cause the problems that
[13:50] Speaker 2: they are. Wayne Cheeseman is a very long standing and
[13:55] Speaker 2: very high ranking police officer. In a piece today written
[13:58] Speaker 2: in their Herald Son mainly about his comments that we
[14:01] Speaker 2: have all enjoyed in the past couple of days, they tell.
[14:05] Speaker 1: Us about his backstory.
[14:06] Speaker 2: Cheeseman was a founding member of the Bikey Busting Echo
[14:09] Speaker 2: Task Force which was named the Forces, and was named
[14:12] Speaker 2: the Forces Detective of the Year in twenty fourteen for
[14:15] Speaker 2: his frontline work on outlaw motorcycle games as well as
[14:19] Speaker 2: his background in steering down Commoncero's hell Angels and Rebels.
[14:24] Speaker 2: He's also a respected former homicide and high level drug investigator.
[14:28] Speaker 2: So this bloke is serious, so serious that he's even
[14:31] Speaker 2: been honored in the Queen's Birthday honors lists a few
[14:35] Speaker 2: years ago. And a man who again is exactly in
[14:39] Speaker 2: the right place about standing up for the decency of
[14:42] Speaker 2: all Victorians regardless of whether they vote left, right or center.
[14:49] Speaker 6: A senior member of Victoria Police, I've been in this
[14:51] Speaker 6: organization thirty nine years. The impost and the impact it's
[14:55] Speaker 6: having on the members working every weekend and on frontline
[14:59] Speaker 6: community safety is massive. They're cowards. They come in face coverings,
[15:04] Speaker 6: they come in masks, they come with hoodies on. They
[15:07] Speaker 6: hide behind each other. You can see them today. They
[15:10] Speaker 6: have the umbrellas up. They duck down behind the water
[15:12] Speaker 6: fill barriers. They duck down. They pulled the rocks out
[15:15] Speaker 6: of their bags and they throw them as hard as
[15:17] Speaker 6: they can at the police.
[15:19] Speaker 1: This show is pro cop.
[15:21] Speaker 2: It's always been pro cop because in anyone's working day,
[15:25] Speaker 2: they should not be the victims of such targeted, intentional
[15:31] Speaker 2: violence and the sorts of crimes that we are willing
[15:35] Speaker 2: to explain away, or look the other way, or pretend
[15:38] Speaker 2: aren't as bad as your actual eyes can tell you.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Is a place where societies end up in a pretty
[15:44] Speaker 2: sick place. I am eternally thankful to the men and
[15:48] Speaker 2: women of the police forces of this country. In Victoria alone,
[15:55] Speaker 2: we have seen the scenario of two police officers who
[15:58] Speaker 2: were shot and murdered. All they were trying to do
[16:02] Speaker 2: was to deliver court documents. Similarly, in Tasmania, a police
[16:09] Speaker 2: officer shot and killed again trying to deliver court documents.
[16:14] Speaker 2: We have to stand by our police, not just on
[16:17] Speaker 2: days like yesterday. We need to maintain the rage that
[16:20] Speaker 2: we feel today tonight, into tomorrow, next week, next month,
[16:24] Speaker 2: and all the way to every chance you have to
[16:27] Speaker 2: vote to change a system that backs the cops in.
[16:32] Speaker 1: The people who represent.
[16:33] Speaker 2: Them are the Police Association, and they too have had
[16:36] Speaker 2: enough today at a press conference, their leader, the person
[16:39] Speaker 2: who represents the rank and file, the people who gamble
[16:43] Speaker 2: with their life every day because they believe in something
[16:45] Speaker 2: bigger than themselves, he's had enough to.
[16:49] Speaker 7: I think the majority Victorians see this for what it is.
[16:53] Speaker 7: They're sick to the back teeth of this sort of behavior.
[16:56] Speaker 7: Is sort of rubbish from those groups. You're so peaceful,
[17:01] Speaker 7: if you're just trying to make your peaceful point, why
[17:05] Speaker 7: are you're coming with bags of railway ballast. Why you're
[17:09] Speaker 7: throwing bottles with glass shards in them? Why are you
[17:12] Speaker 7: throwing fruit eggs projectiles at the police?
[17:16] Speaker 2: Bloody Earth, bloody oath and Wayne had plenty more to
[17:20] Speaker 2: say today.
[17:22] Speaker 7: And nobody believes you. You have no credibility. Maybe turn
[17:26] Speaker 7: on the TV and have a look at the pictures.
[17:29] Speaker 7: They make your statements out to be quite false, to
[17:31] Speaker 7: be quite honest.
[17:33] Speaker 1: Now is he talking about He's talking about the organizers.
[17:35] Speaker 2: He's talking about the people who today, of course, have
[17:38] Speaker 2: refused to condemn any of the behavior that resulted in
[17:42] Speaker 2: the assaults and intentional assaults of police. Oh, no, instent,
[17:45] Speaker 2: it's all about responding to the excessive violence of the police.
[17:50] Speaker 2: Fascinating interview today on three AW with its morning's host
[17:54] Speaker 2: Tom Elliott. Today you ended up talking to somebody who
[17:57] Speaker 2: purported to be a representative of all of those who were protesting.
[18:02] Speaker 2: Of course, only a first name, and who knows whether
[18:04] Speaker 2: that's true.
[18:06] Speaker 1: But have a listen to the way this worked today.
[18:10] Speaker 8: I think that the better question to ask is why
[18:13] Speaker 8: did Cheeseman use his opportunity in front of the media
[18:17] Speaker 8: to praise people who organized the demonstration that was calling
[18:22] Speaker 8: for the banning of immigration of black and pro No.
[18:24] Speaker 6: No, what he said was he said that they he
[18:26] Speaker 6: said that they obeyed the rules that the police had, said.
[18:29] Speaker 8: That he went out of his way to praise the
[18:33] Speaker 8: demonstrators who were calling for a ban on immigration.
[18:36] Speaker 1: Now, I think the polite term is gas lighting. The
[18:40] Speaker 1: reality is bullshitting.
[18:43] Speaker 2: The intellectual term, of course, is postmodernism, where nothing means anything.
[18:48] Speaker 2: And I disagree with the premise of your question, so
[18:51] Speaker 2: I'll just go off somewhere else.
[18:54] Speaker 1: It continues.
[18:56] Speaker 8: Would Ulias condemn the violence, I'm not condemning anything. I
[18:59] Speaker 8: think the question is the wrong question to be asking.
[19:02] Speaker 8: The better question to be asking is why has the
[19:05] Speaker 8: police got access to actually weapons that have record of lethality.
[19:12] Speaker 8: Why are the police so violent towards people who are
[19:16] Speaker 8: exercising their democratic right to protest? And why did the
[19:20] Speaker 8: police commander go out of his way to praise a racist,
[19:25] Speaker 8: fascistic demonstration.
[19:30] Speaker 2: Your people were throwing rocks. The police don't just randomly
[19:36] Speaker 2: start using every option that they have to try to
[19:40] Speaker 2: quell a protest when it is genuinely peaceful, as you've
[19:44] Speaker 2: heard the descriptions of the commander about the types of tactics,
[19:48] Speaker 2: and these people who are well versed in how to hide,
[19:52] Speaker 2: what to use, and how to get away with what
[19:55] Speaker 2: they love to do, and they get off on how
[19:58] Speaker 2: angry we all get about this. But again, this person
[20:02] Speaker 2: purporting to be a leader of that organization first name
[20:05] Speaker 2: only used in the radio interview, she of course, again
[20:10] Speaker 2: not dealing with any of the facts, not willing to say, Look,
[20:13] Speaker 2: obviously you shouldn't throw a rock.
[20:14] Speaker 1: I mean, how hard is that. Obviously you shouldn't.
[20:16] Speaker 7: Throw a rock.
[20:17] Speaker 2: Albert, we were throwing a rock because of the potential
[20:19] Speaker 2: lethality of what we were being faced with. You're kidding me,
[20:23] Speaker 2: And in the classic let's just answer any question other
[20:26] Speaker 2: than the one we were actually answered. What about this
[20:28] Speaker 2: as justification for why they must continue to march in
[20:32] Speaker 2: the streets and potentially keep throwing rocks at police.
[20:39] Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, what I'm angry about is the normalization of
[20:43] Speaker 8: extreme racism that's taking place in our society right now.
[20:48] Speaker 8: Barnaby Joyce, you know, saying it's going to join one
[20:50] Speaker 8: nation Andrew Hasty putting forward a play for leadership inside
[20:54] Speaker 8: the Liberal Party, trying to bring Trumpian mega politics.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Well, and you're entitled to do that. You're entiled to
[21:00] Speaker 1: do that.
[21:01] Speaker 6: But a police officer had a armbroken yesterday by being
[21:04] Speaker 6: kicked apparently by someone from protester.
[21:06] Speaker 8: Has had to go to hospital to get shucknell out
[21:08] Speaker 8: of their legs from the flash bangrenades that the police
[21:11] Speaker 8: officers used.
[21:13] Speaker 1: Barnaby, Joyce, One Nation and Andrew Hasty.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Perhaps one of their sources of information is the caricature
[21:18] Speaker 2: that played out a little bit earlier this evening, or
[21:21] Speaker 2: the even further left like the Turmble Times, or even
[21:24] Speaker 2: further left the series of publications that, to mention, would
[21:28] Speaker 2: give them too much attention. Victoria has had enough, Australia
[21:32] Speaker 2: has had enough, and Melbourne deserves better, Yet its premiere
[21:37] Speaker 2: refuses to get the message. Now, I do not see
[21:41] Speaker 2: what electoral advantage there is anywhere in trying to softly,
[21:47] Speaker 2: softly deal with this situation. The police officers are the
[21:53] Speaker 2: ones who police every type of crime. They are the
[21:56] Speaker 2: ones who are saving people from all types of violence,
[22:00] Speaker 2: from the home, to the streets to the stranger.
[22:05] Speaker 1: Yet this is the best she could do today to
[22:07] Speaker 1: pretend that some sort of a line had been crossed.
[22:14] Speaker 9: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that, Yes,
[22:17] Speaker 9: Melbourne's CVD is safe, and I think it would be
[22:22] Speaker 9: wrong and misleading to conflate the behavior of a very
[22:27] Speaker 9: small number of people yesterday who came to the city
[22:30] Speaker 9: to bring violence and they were dealt with swiftly by
[22:33] Speaker 9: Victoria police with the incredible number and growing number of
[22:38] Speaker 9: people who come in and out of the city every
[22:41] Speaker 9: day and on weekends and do so safely.
[22:46] Speaker 1: Again, this is just crazy.
[22:49] Speaker 2: And if you want to compare what she's actually fired
[22:51] Speaker 2: up about when a line gets crossed for her, we
[22:53] Speaker 2: can only look back to last week.
[22:56] Speaker 1: This is a premier.
[22:56] Speaker 2: Who is all in and responding with all she's got
[22:59] Speaker 2: to an issue when she thinks we've gone too far.
[23:04] Speaker 9: We know the transgender kids are fifteen times more likely
[23:10] Speaker 9: to commit suicide, so I would hope Rachel. I would
[23:15] Speaker 9: hope Rachel, Well, you're going to dispute the higher rates
[23:20] Speaker 9: of suicide amongst transgender kids.
[23:24] Speaker 2: Victoria deserves better and the only way it we'll do
[23:26] Speaker 2: is to change the government. Yet every opinion poll right
[23:31] Speaker 2: up until today tells us. Apparently they won't. Victoria deserves better,
[23:36] Speaker 2: Melbourne deserves better, Australia deserves better than this government and
[23:40] Speaker 2: that premiere. Now, as you know, a perennial conversation amongst
[23:46] Speaker 2: the left is that Australian democracy is not for sale
[23:49] Speaker 2: and when people like Clive Palmer choose to use his
[23:53] Speaker 2: own money to back a variety of political movements, then
[23:56] Speaker 2: somehow the system has broken. In fact, you will have
[24:00] Speaker 2: heard many, many times what the Labor Party thinks about
[24:05] Speaker 2: billionaires trying to get people they want elected to parliament.
[24:10] Speaker 10: We believe that the abuse that we've seen to name
[24:14] Speaker 10: someone not peaking on him, but the contribution that Clik
[24:19] Speaker 10: Palmer made to donations is something that distorts the political system.
[24:26] Speaker 2: But because of course there was a chance before the
[24:28] Speaker 2: last election it might have been a minority parliament and
[24:31] Speaker 2: we need to have the Teals on side just in case.
[24:33] Speaker 1: Or we love the.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Teals because they have slowly but surely ms pac Man's
[24:37] Speaker 2: style been eating up the Liberal Party over multiple elections.
[24:41] Speaker 2: When the opportunity comes to criticize the big money that's
[24:44] Speaker 2: behind the Teals, of course we get tumbleweeds, bugger all nothing,
[24:49] Speaker 2: No distorting of the process. As you may have heard today,
[24:54] Speaker 2: the financial disclosures were released by the Australian Electoral Commission
[24:58] Speaker 2: about donations. When it comes to who was getting money
[25:02] Speaker 2: at the last federal election, the teals, both the ones
[25:06] Speaker 2: successful and unsuccessful, got twenty seven million dollars. Twenty seven
[25:11] Speaker 2: million dollars. Independent candidates with the biggest financial war chests
[25:17] Speaker 2: failed to get elected at the May election, as climate
[25:20] Speaker 2: two hundred and individual donors poured twenty seven million dollars
[25:24] Speaker 2: into so called community independent campaigns. To give you an
[25:29] Speaker 2: idea of just how much money ended up both coming
[25:33] Speaker 2: from the parent organization and yes, locals, you had here
[25:40] Speaker 2: the bloke who tried to win a seat in South
[25:44] Speaker 2: in Victoria but wasn't able to do so. He had
[25:46] Speaker 2: more than two million dollars in the pocket. In fact,
[25:49] Speaker 2: if you have a look at all of the top donors,
[25:52] Speaker 2: you also have an unsuccessful candidate. But still I think
[25:55] Speaker 2: this one was on the Gold Coast with one point
[25:57] Speaker 2: two million dollars.
[26:01] Speaker 1: It's also interesting to note.
[26:03] Speaker 2: That basically, if you have a look, the top forty
[26:05] Speaker 2: fifty are all so called independence. Once you start getting
[26:10] Speaker 2: down to the non teals, Jered Rennick and his People's
[26:13] Speaker 2: First Party.
[26:13] Speaker 1: They got four hundred and ninety three thousand dollars.
[26:18] Speaker 2: Interestingly, the next one of the next highest figures was
[26:22] Speaker 2: for a blow called Andy Yin. He was the former
[26:25] Speaker 2: LIB who became an independent who ran for the seat
[26:27] Speaker 2: of Bradfield. Now he got just four six hundred votes,
[26:32] Speaker 2: but he had two hundred and fifty three thousand dollars
[26:35] Speaker 2: in donations. Remember he said that he despite the fact
[26:39] Speaker 2: that he was a former Liberal, was running in part
[26:42] Speaker 2: and preferenced the Labor Party as the next place to go.
[26:46] Speaker 2: The number two on his ballot paper was because of
[26:50] Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and the Chinese community.
[26:53] Speaker 11: The reason I've put at Labor second is to send
[26:56] Speaker 11: a strong message criticism on the current leader of the
[26:59] Speaker 11: Liberal Party, which Speter Dudson. So a lot of Chinese
[27:01] Speaker 11: Australians have been let down and disappointed by the remarks
[27:04] Speaker 11: that Peter Dudson has made in the past. He served
[27:07] Speaker 11: as the MINISIPA Defense during twenty twenty one and he
[27:11] Speaker 11: was someone that emphasized that Australia should prepare for war
[27:15] Speaker 11: and he wasn't able to depreciate between China, which is
[27:18] Speaker 11: Beijing CCP and the local Chinese community that bloke.
[27:23] Speaker 2: As I said, donations wise all legal. All of this
[27:25] Speaker 2: is legal under the system and there's no imputation otherwise
[27:27] Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty three thousand dollars. He ends up
[27:30] Speaker 2: getting four percent of the vote, six hundred and thirty
[27:33] Speaker 2: five votes because of the preferences they would have madded.
[27:36] Speaker 2: The seat was one of course by the independent, who
[27:39] Speaker 2: was preferenced above the Liberal Party in that seat by
[27:42] Speaker 2: twenty six votes. So then there's this apparent big change
[27:49] Speaker 2: that is coming to Australian politics, already passed by the
[27:52] Speaker 2: Senate as the major parties got together to try to
[27:54] Speaker 2: limit the amount of money that can be donated to
[27:57] Speaker 2: an individual candidate, to put a limit on how much
[28:00] Speaker 2: money an individual candidate, party or independent can spend at
[28:04] Speaker 2: any one time. Remember the work around there is that
[28:07] Speaker 2: despite the fact that the unions are constitutionally part of
[28:10] Speaker 2: the Labor Party, they get to pretend to be independent,
[28:13] Speaker 2: which means they can tend to one any candidate who's
[28:17] Speaker 2: not Labor at any election. Under the changes, the cap
[28:21] Speaker 2: on individual donations would rise to fifty thousand dollars. The
[28:27] Speaker 2: disclosure threshold will go from one thousand dollars to five
[28:30] Speaker 2: thousand dollars, So there may be a whole bunch of
[28:33] Speaker 2: people they're going to go four thousand, nine hundred and
[28:35] Speaker 2: ninety nine, and that's how the system will work.
[28:39] Speaker 1: The revised disclosure.
[28:40] Speaker 2: Threshold is still significantly lower than the sixteen thousand, nine
[28:44] Speaker 2: hundred dollars bar that was set, meaning fewer dark money
[28:48] Speaker 2: donations would be able to remain a secret. Now, remember
[28:52] Speaker 2: that would mean that a group like Climate two hundred
[28:55] Speaker 2: would be limited about how much it can handle a candidate.
[28:57] Speaker 2: But obviously the people that might have been giving money,
[28:59] Speaker 2: as an example, to Climbate two hundred, they'll be able
[29:01] Speaker 2: to now give directly up to fifty thousand dollars to
[29:05] Speaker 2: the individual candidates, and the campaign's spending limits will be
[29:08] Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand dollars per electorate, or if you're in
[29:12] Speaker 2: a national campaign, ninety million dollars.
[29:17] Speaker 1: So, after all that gobble, do you goog what.
[29:18] Speaker 2: Would that actually mean for the What was it? How
[29:22] Speaker 2: much money did the Teals end up getting? Again, the
[29:24] Speaker 2: best part of old I have to go back to
[29:26] Speaker 2: my notes here. I thought I had some footage to
[29:28] Speaker 2: hide behind. Twenty seven million dollars is what the Teals
[29:31] Speaker 2: ended up getting twenty seven million. So how much would
[29:35] Speaker 2: have actually been reduced by the new laws that will
[29:38] Speaker 2: apparently remove the influence of money in Australian politics According
[29:42] Speaker 2: to the ABC eight million dollars, So they'd still have
[29:45] Speaker 2: a fairly large amount of money left over for the
[29:49] Speaker 2: MPs that already exist or the new ones that they
[29:51] Speaker 2: would like to bring along. Climate two hundred would have
[29:54] Speaker 2: been blocked from donating eight point three million dollars to
[29:57] Speaker 2: Independence in the twenty twenty five election under the laws
[30:01] Speaker 2: that have come into place. The political funding organization led
[30:04] Speaker 2: by the businessman Simon Hoames the Court made ten million
[30:06] Speaker 2: dollars in donations to Teal candidates. So but simply ten
[30:10] Speaker 2: now would become a knockout eight you'd end up with
[30:12] Speaker 2: about two million. So you can take eight million dollars
[30:17] Speaker 2: off twenty seven million dollars and it's still an absolute
[30:20] Speaker 2: shed load of money. So, yes, there is a change,
[30:23] Speaker 2: but anyone who thinks that there's going to be a
[30:25] Speaker 2: massive change is not actually paying attention to what is
[30:27] Speaker 2: going on. But of course to do so apparently it's
[30:30] Speaker 2: deeply offensive and rude and disgusting not able to be discussed.
[30:35] Speaker 1: To American politics.
[30:36] Speaker 2: Here now, I want to talk about KJP Karne Jean Pierre.
[30:42] Speaker 2: Remember the spokesperson for Joe Biden, the one who, despite
[30:47] Speaker 2: the fact that he was falling up the stairs and
[30:48] Speaker 2: falling apart before our very own eyes, was still saying
[30:52] Speaker 2: this from the podium of the White.
[30:54] Speaker 12: House instead of talking about the President's performance and office
[30:59] Speaker 12: and what I mean by that is a legislative wins,
[31:01] Speaker 12: what he's been able to do for the American people
[31:03] Speaker 12: across the country. We're seeing these deep fakes, these manipulated videos.
[31:10] Speaker 1: Date fikes. You remember all of the videos. I want
[31:13] Speaker 1: to show them to you again.
[31:13] Speaker 2: They're already in your brin. And remember when the meltdown
[31:17] Speaker 2: happened at the debate. He's still completely fine.
[31:21] Speaker 12: Every year that he has every year that he hasn't
[31:25] Speaker 12: had this exam, he sees a neurologist. And just to
[31:30] Speaker 12: give you a quote from that from the report. Most
[31:33] Speaker 12: recently in February, an extremely detailed neurological exam was again
[31:37] Speaker 12: reassuring in that there were no findings which would be
[31:39] Speaker 12: consistent with any cerebella, sealabella or other central neurological disorders.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Come well, of course, because she was the first woman
[31:52] Speaker 2: of color, the first person versus lesbian to hold the position.
[31:56] Speaker 2: She was a historical figure, which means somebody's given her
[31:58] Speaker 2: money to write a book. The book contains in the
[32:02] Speaker 2: excerpts that have just been released reported by Fox News,
[32:06] Speaker 2: her reaction to Biden's decision not to run again after
[32:09] Speaker 2: the meltdown and eventually, of course, being pushed out by Pelosi,
[32:13] Speaker 2: George Clooney and the.
[32:13] Speaker 1: Rest of them. Biden seemed to be totally at peace
[32:16] Speaker 1: with this decision. But I was stunned. My feelings a blur.
[32:19] Speaker 1: I was angry, sad.
[32:21] Speaker 2: I was enraged and heartbroken that this man had given
[32:24] Speaker 2: more than fifty years of his life to serving the
[32:25] Speaker 2: American people, and in the end he had been treated
[32:28] Speaker 2: poorly by the members of his own party.
[32:29] Speaker 1: It was horrible.
[32:32] Speaker 2: So what's next for this incredible wordsmith, the author of
[32:39] Speaker 2: the deep fake Theory? Now the cloud of our knees
[32:42] Speaker 2: hovering over me solidified into the idea of how I
[32:44] Speaker 2: could possibly do something different, How I could channel my
[32:47] Speaker 2: disappointment into some kind of concrete action that would allow
[32:50] Speaker 2: me to fight for what I believe in without giving
[32:53] Speaker 2: blind loyalty to a party I felt no longer deserved it.
[32:57] Speaker 2: Pierre writes, you know what, I'm going to become an
[32:59] Speaker 2: inn dependent. I don't think I can stomach being in
[33:02] Speaker 2: the Democratic Party anymore, which is an incredible quote to
[33:07] Speaker 2: be putting out as one of the great revelations of
[33:09] Speaker 2: the book. When the entire book is in the cover.
[33:14] Speaker 2: You can judge this one by the cover. The great
[33:17] Speaker 2: revelation is the hardcore Democrat is now an independent and
[33:21] Speaker 2: deep fakes never existed.
[33:23] Speaker 1: Oh that's my bid. I don't care what she thinks
[33:26] Speaker 1: about that.
[33:28] Speaker 2: All right, too much mocking around from me, Let's get
[33:30] Speaker 2: straight to it. Matt Canavan joins us straight after the
[33:33] Speaker 2: break to talk about Barnaby Joyce, the future of the Coalition,
[33:35] Speaker 2: Net zero, and plenty of others. We'll keep talking about
[33:38] Speaker 2: that incredible police officer, Wayne Cheeseman and how he stood
[33:42] Speaker 2: up for normal people, and just inter Allen her absolute
[33:45] Speaker 2: flop more in a sekire Paul Murray Live on a Monday,
[33:48] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching.
[33:53] Speaker 1: Hey, We've got plenty to talk about with my brother
[33:55] Speaker 1: from another mother.
[33:56] Speaker 2: My mum always loves when I say that, but still
[33:58] Speaker 2: Darren Barnette love him for your mum too, And of course.
[34:01] Speaker 13: I'd say my dad had your editorial last night, said
[34:04] Speaker 13: I agreed with everyone.
[34:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, good on your dad.
[34:07] Speaker 13: Ken Kevin used to have a Mustang when I was
[34:10] Speaker 13: We're watching.
[34:11] Speaker 1: Now chat at keV.
[34:13] Speaker 13: He's a bit of a swing voter, but he's like,
[34:15] Speaker 13: he loves me.
[34:16] Speaker 1: He was on, he is on, he needs all right.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Of course Matt Canavan will get into what his parents
[34:20] Speaker 2: think and family in a second, but of course he
[34:23] Speaker 2: joins us from the home studio there in North Queensland.
[34:26] Speaker 2: Great man, love you to see you. So we saw
[34:28] Speaker 2: the quotes with Sharry before which was put simply, if
[34:32] Speaker 2: the Libs end up keeping that zero, then the quote
[34:36] Speaker 2: attributed to you is that the coalition has to break
[34:38] Speaker 2: up and that's have to go their own way. That's
[34:41] Speaker 2: true in your mind. That is the quote that you
[34:43] Speaker 2: gave and that is your view of what's next.
[34:47] Speaker 14: Well, fundamentally, Paul, I think the Australian people deserve a
[34:49] Speaker 14: say on this. They've never been given a choice on
[34:52] Speaker 14: Net zero. Both political parties signed up to it outside
[34:56] Speaker 14: of an election. Everywhere in the Western world where zero
[35:00] Speaker 14: has faced a proper competition at the ballot box. It
[35:03] Speaker 14: has failed, why shouldn't the Australian people have the same
[35:06] Speaker 14: choice as well. And so, look, it'll be a matter
[35:09] Speaker 14: if the National Party.
[35:10] Speaker 15: Who become to its position.
[35:11] Speaker 14: My position's very clear, and I'm also putting my position
[35:13] Speaker 14: here that look, if it comes to the position where
[35:16] Speaker 14: the two parties can't agree on such an important policy,
[35:18] Speaker 14: then let's let the people decide. Let's take two different
[35:21] Speaker 14: views to the public and see what happens. We know
[35:24] Speaker 14: from a recent poll just last week that our supporters,
[35:27] Speaker 14: supporters of the coalition Liberal parties, want us to drop
[35:31] Speaker 14: net zero, to the tune of fifty four to twenty four.
[35:34] Speaker 14: It's an absolute drubbing on that front. Over in the
[35:36] Speaker 14: broader public, support for net zero is now at net zero.
[35:40] Speaker 1: It is dead.
[35:41] Speaker 14: Is a dead heat between support four and against net zero.
[35:44] Speaker 14: And that's after months of campaigning from myself, from the
[35:47] Speaker 14: likes of Barnaby Choice and others since the election to
[35:49] Speaker 14: point out the flaws of this policy.
[35:51] Speaker 15: We are only really getting started.
[35:54] Speaker 14: I don't think the Australian people have fully yet understood
[35:57] Speaker 14: what this policy entails. The radical position and the fact
[36:01] Speaker 14: that the net zero Emperor really has no clothes, and
[36:04] Speaker 14: as soon as a political party, a major political party,
[36:07] Speaker 14: has the guts to point that out, I think a
[36:10] Speaker 14: whole lot of the net zero facade is going to
[36:11] Speaker 14: fall over.
[36:12] Speaker 2: So Parliament's back next week, presumably there's an opportunity for
[36:15] Speaker 2: everyone to sit around a room. Why can't there be
[36:19] Speaker 2: a show of hands around the National Party room as
[36:22] Speaker 2: early as Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday next week.
[36:25] Speaker 14: Mat, I've been wanting this for four years. For four
[36:28] Speaker 14: years been saying let's have a debate. I mean, it
[36:30] Speaker 14: is hard to fathom, but it is true that in
[36:34] Speaker 14: the Liberal and National party room in Canberra we have
[36:36] Speaker 14: never had a debate on net zero. It was forced
[36:41] Speaker 14: upon the Liberal Party by Scott Morrison. There was a
[36:43] Speaker 14: debate in the Nationals party room, but we had that
[36:45] Speaker 14: debate with a gun held to our head because Scott
[36:47] Speaker 14: Morrison said, if you don't agree with us, you're out.
[36:50] Speaker 15: Of the coalition. Your losire ministries will split the governor.
[36:53] Speaker 14: And so we've never had an open and honest and
[36:55] Speaker 14: frank debate across the Liberal and National parties about whether
[36:58] Speaker 14: we should completely change how we do everything in a generation,
[37:03] Speaker 14: how we grow our food, how we make things, how
[37:05] Speaker 14: we travel around to see our family and relatives, everything,
[37:09] Speaker 14: what food we eat, everything has to change to meet
[37:13] Speaker 14: this ridiculous, fantastical target of NED zero in just one generation,
[37:17] Speaker 14: just twenty five years or way. Why aren't we having
[37:20] Speaker 14: that debate? What is it that's so sacrisanct about this policy?
[37:23] Speaker 14: And we can have debates about all different types of
[37:25] Speaker 14: the types of things, about gay marriage, about age care policy,
[37:32] Speaker 14: we had to heat a debate about that, but we
[37:33] Speaker 14: can't apparently debate this. People's jobs are on the line here,
[37:38] Speaker 14: people's livelihoods are on the line. My area, my local
[37:41] Speaker 14: beautiful Australian landscape is being decimated right now.
[37:44] Speaker 15: It was just out was last week with Barnaby.
[37:46] Speaker 14: Joyce for some people, with some people who are facing massive,
[37:49] Speaker 14: big battery parks going into farmland.
[37:52] Speaker 15: It is absurd and.
[37:54] Speaker 14: We're not allowed to debate these things in camp. Apparently
[37:56] Speaker 14: that is what is the most absurd thing. And yes,
[37:58] Speaker 14: I'd love to see that next speak Paul, I would
[38:01] Speaker 14: have wanted four years ago, but better tomorrow than in
[38:04] Speaker 14: another year's time.
[38:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, forgive me, Darren, but I'm going to use the
[38:07] Speaker 2: opportunity here. And also I really want to thank the
[38:09] Speaker 2: Senator too, a lot of people knocking on his door today.
[38:12] Speaker 2: He said, no, wait, I'll be on with Paul to
[38:14] Speaker 2: not I really appreciate that, Matt, and love you for it.
[38:16] Speaker 2: But let's imagine there was a meeting and the room
[38:19] Speaker 2: decided to stick with it.
[38:21] Speaker 1: What next potentially for you.
[38:24] Speaker 2: Or other people who are as public as you are
[38:26] Speaker 2: about where the Nationals forget the coalition, but where the
[38:29] Speaker 2: Nationals should be on.
[38:32] Speaker 15: Well, I've said, Paul, it's Nats or bust for me.
[38:35] Speaker 14: I'm loyal to my party. I'm loyal to the members
[38:38] Speaker 14: that have put me here. And you've got to recognize
[38:40] Speaker 14: that a party is not really some amorphous blob. It's
[38:45] Speaker 14: a collection of good, hard working, honest people and I
[38:49] Speaker 14: always feel incredibly honored and privileged for them to have
[38:52] Speaker 14: given me their trust to represent them in the nation's parliament.
[38:55] Speaker 14: And I believe I'm trying to work and find on
[38:57] Speaker 14: their behalf given that every state, every every state has
[39:00] Speaker 14: had a Liberal or National Party now on the mainland
[39:03] Speaker 14: that's voted comprehensively against that zero. So I'm trying to
[39:06] Speaker 14: I'm trying to return that faith by fighting for it
[39:09] Speaker 14: in Canberra.
[39:09] Speaker 15: But if I fail.
[39:11] Speaker 14: I can only do my best, but if I fail,
[39:12] Speaker 14: that's that it'll be able to someone else's next man up.
[39:15] Speaker 15: Good luck to other people.
[39:16] Speaker 14: But I've got to stay loyal to those party members,
[39:19] Speaker 14: and I'll do so within my own party.
[39:21] Speaker 2: Good stuff world said, all right, let's go speed round
[39:23] Speaker 2: for everything else, because there is a awful lot of
[39:24] Speaker 2: other things on the table, including Darren as a man
[39:27] Speaker 2: who is fluent in the language of the left, not
[39:30] Speaker 2: the file left, not the crazy left, not the rock throwers. Right,
[39:32] Speaker 2: But still, what is the calculation just cinter Allen keeps
[39:35] Speaker 2: making that on something as easy as this, as identifiable
[39:39] Speaker 2: as this, as fringe as people throwing rocks, that you
[39:43] Speaker 2: can't come out and be as annoyed as the police
[39:46] Speaker 2: officers who are having rocks thrown at them.
[39:48] Speaker 13: Well, the other thing that's bizarre is that you have
[39:51] Speaker 13: the commissioner saying no, we don't need permits when the
[39:54] Speaker 13: Police Association are calling for Even if you do it
[39:57] Speaker 13: as a trial, you've got to be seen to be
[39:59] Speaker 13: cracking down. And the laws they're going to introduce should
[40:03] Speaker 13: have been introduced already. There should already be limits on
[40:07] Speaker 13: wearing masks or chaining yourself or gluing yourself. You shouldn't
[40:10] Speaker 13: be allowed to do that now. So they need to
[40:14] Speaker 13: take control of the issue and try something, and that
[40:18] Speaker 13: needs to be permits because part of the problem, as
[40:21] Speaker 13: you know, of the left, but the problem yesterday through
[40:25] Speaker 13: the policeman who spoke publicly that this was not the
[40:32] Speaker 13: flag waving anti immigration protesters. This was ratbag professional protesters
[40:39] Speaker 13: who interfered with a rally that, whether you agree with it,
[40:42] Speaker 13: was peaceful and three rocks at the cops. So you've
[40:46] Speaker 13: got to have permits. You've got to have minimum standards
[40:50] Speaker 13: to protest, and if you don't, then throw the book
[40:53] Speaker 13: at you. But at the moment it's very ad hoc
[40:55] Speaker 13: in what you can and can't do. Adopt the national standard,
[41:00] Speaker 13: go for permits, otherwise this issue will just bleed and
[41:03] Speaker 13: bleed and bleed and she won't be able to stop it.
[41:06] Speaker 2: Well, we'll see still up in the polls right now,
[41:08] Speaker 2: and there's been plenty of other examples that I thought
[41:10] Speaker 2: would have been the straw that breaks the camels back.
[41:11] Speaker 2: But we'll all see together. Let's get to the Trump
[41:13] Speaker 2: meeting two am austraight in eastern daylight time. Do you
[41:16] Speaker 2: sums where you are around the country, if not in
[41:19] Speaker 2: that time zone, will you be sitting up waiting to.
[41:22] Speaker 1: Watch for a Z moment, Senator, or like me.
[41:25] Speaker 16: I hadn't it ain't happened. I hadn't done that calculation, Paul.
[41:29] Speaker 16: But no, I don't think I'll be changing my alarm.
[41:32] Speaker 16: We'll see what the morning brings. But look, it's good
[41:36] Speaker 16: finally that we're having this meeting. I mean, it's almost
[41:39] Speaker 16: been a year since President Trump. In a couple of
[41:41] Speaker 16: weeks will be a year since he was elected. So look,
[41:44] Speaker 16: it's very strange it's taken this long. I hope all
[41:47] Speaker 16: our diplomats and Kevin r I have done a good
[41:49] Speaker 16: preparation here and sold a good message because we need
[41:52] Speaker 16: a good outcome for our country, and that was showing
[41:54] Speaker 16: so demonstrably today with the news that once again a
[41:58] Speaker 16: Chinese fighter jet has put Australian Defense Force personnel at
[42:03] Speaker 16: danger with dangerous behavior. And I just think sometimes the
[42:08] Speaker 16: current government just gets its positioning wrong on this, saying
[42:12] Speaker 16: almost suggesting we can somehow trust China and we've got
[42:15] Speaker 16: to treat China almost on an equal level to Americans.
[42:17] Speaker 16: I think that sends the wrong message. We've got to
[42:20] Speaker 16: stay close to our friends.
[42:21] Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, very quickly. I think it's a really good
[42:23] Speaker 13: opportunity for the Prime minister. They'll talk about aucust, I'll
[42:27] Speaker 13: talk about critical minerals, particularly with China trying to close
[42:30] Speaker 13: that outbound trade. I think it'll be a positive meeting.
[42:33] Speaker 13: I think it's also choreographed that it's going to be
[42:36] Speaker 13: a very positive meeting.
[42:37] Speaker 2: Darren, I just got a message from one of my
[42:39] Speaker 2: colleagues in Canberra, Sorry Darren Matt, which is to ask
[42:43] Speaker 2: you quite specifically about Barnaby Joyce right now. Obviously I
[42:46] Speaker 2: thought we sort of went there, right I thought we
[42:48] Speaker 2: kind of let's be really clear, what is your reaction
[42:51] Speaker 2: to the position of a former deputy prime minister, a
[42:54] Speaker 2: friend of yours, who says I'm done at the end
[42:57] Speaker 2: of this election, and presumably done with the Nats, either
[43:00] Speaker 2: earlier but certainly at that moment.
[43:03] Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm incredibly disappointed, but I would make the
[43:07] Speaker 14: case that Barnaby said he's a free agent, and that
[43:10] Speaker 14: means there's still some hope that we keep him into
[43:13] Speaker 14: the team. I mean, Barnaby is the goat when it
[43:16] Speaker 14: comes to retail politics, and if you're managing a Soccer.
[43:20] Speaker 15: Club and Ronaldo's about to walk out the door.
[43:23] Speaker 14: You do everything you can to keep him, and I
[43:25] Speaker 14: think we should do everything we can to keep him.
[43:28] Speaker 14: As I've said since the election, I think it's disappointing
[43:31] Speaker 14: that we haven't found a more scope to use the
[43:33] Speaker 14: skills and experience of our former leaders, Michael Mlcormack included,
[43:37] Speaker 14: and so I hope David Little Proud can take up
[43:41] Speaker 14: the mantle here and find something for Barnaby, find a
[43:45] Speaker 14: way to use his obvious skills and talents in our
[43:47] Speaker 14: room and keep us all together.
[43:50] Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, appreciate it.
[43:51] Speaker 2: There you go, Tommy, nice and clean, all right, Thank
[43:53] Speaker 2: you very much to you, senator, future senator. Should you
[43:56] Speaker 2: wish you've got the connections, We'll talk to you all
[43:58] Speaker 2: again very very soon. All right, quick break back with
[44:00] Speaker 2: more off the London and Mark Dolan a mate there.
[44:03] Speaker 2: We'll discuss, among other things, the madness in and around
[44:05] Speaker 2: Prince Andrew. Mark dolland great bloke. Wonderful broadcast. You can
[44:17] Speaker 2: see him on Talk TV in the UK, or of
[44:18] Speaker 2: course you can see him on his own YouTube channel,
[44:20] Speaker 2: which is funnily enough for mc doland show love her
[44:22] Speaker 2: to see you a great man House London, this evening
[44:24] Speaker 2: or this morning or whatever they held the time differences.
[44:27] Speaker 17: Yes, it's morning here, approaching lunchtime, Paul, and there's only
[44:32] Speaker 17: one story in town and is the Prince Andrew's scandal. Now,
[44:36] Speaker 17: I've got to say I feel slightly sorry for King
[44:38] Speaker 17: Charles because he waited Paul for decades to become king,
[44:42] Speaker 17: and now his reign looks threatened to be derailed and
[44:46] Speaker 17: defined by the behavior of his younger brother. And it's
[44:50] Speaker 17: interesting because although Andrew has relinquished his royal titles, including
[44:55] Speaker 17: being the Duke of York and his membership of the
[44:58] Speaker 17: Order of the Garter, the bottom is that he remains
[45:01] Speaker 17: Prince Andrew, and as long as that stays the case,
[45:04] Speaker 17: he's very much a stain on the family and a
[45:06] Speaker 17: stain on the monarchy.
[45:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're in the scenario though, of course,
[45:10] Speaker 2: where the reason that is the case is because of
[45:12] Speaker 2: whom his mother is, certainly in terms of Charles and
[45:17] Speaker 2: the decisiveness around all of this, right, I mean, it's
[45:19] Speaker 2: pretty obvious.
[45:20] Speaker 1: It was his the deal. You have till midday to
[45:22] Speaker 1: give it.
[45:23] Speaker 2: Up, because I'm going to get rid of you at
[45:25] Speaker 2: twelve oh one right, hence why we've got what we got.
[45:27] Speaker 2: But the reason we are where we are now is
[45:29] Speaker 2: because Virginia Dufrey, who's made her allegations, who's died, has
[45:35] Speaker 2: written a book. That book is now available, and there's
[45:38] Speaker 2: police investigations potentially around that, and there's more information that
[45:42] Speaker 2: might be coming from the American side of things. So
[45:45] Speaker 2: this story gets way worse very quickly, doesn't it.
[45:49] Speaker 17: Well, it absolutely does. I mean, the legal implications are
[45:52] Speaker 17: quite serious for Prince Andrew because the UK police at
[45:55] Speaker 17: the moment Paul, are actively looking into claims that Andrew
[46:00] Speaker 17: ordered a taxpayer funded bodyguard, someone on the public payroll
[46:04] Speaker 17: in twenty eleven to get hold of Virginia Deuphray's date
[46:07] Speaker 17: of birth and her US Social Security number. Now, the
[46:11] Speaker 17: big headache for Andrew is that that's an offense in
[46:14] Speaker 17: the United States which carries a punishment of up to
[46:18] Speaker 17: fifteen years in prison. So he's in big legal hot
[46:21] Speaker 17: water here. And there's a political problem as well for
[46:25] Speaker 17: Charles because, as I've said, you know, he's relinquished these
[46:27] Speaker 17: titles in a deal that they've struck, which by the way,
[46:30] Speaker 17: looks like it means that Andrew remains in the Royal Lodge,
[46:34] Speaker 17: which is a sort of extravagant thirty bedroom mansion on
[46:38] Speaker 17: the Windsor estate. So the issue you've got is, yes,
[46:40] Speaker 17: he's given up the titles, but he's still very much
[46:42] Speaker 17: part of the branding and identity of the royal family.
[46:45] Speaker 17: And I don't think we can exaggerate this, Paul to
[46:48] Speaker 17: say that this is the single biggest crisis facing the
[46:51] Speaker 17: monarchy in a century. Andrew will always remain Charles's brother.
[46:56] Speaker 17: Blood is thicker than water. But I think the King
[46:58] Speaker 17: is going to have to do more than just have
[47:00] Speaker 17: this arrangement, this fudge about not using the titles. Did
[47:04] Speaker 17: you know, for example, that Andrew remains in line to
[47:07] Speaker 17: the throne eighth in line to the throne, which is
[47:09] Speaker 17: completely wild. I would suggest the only solution, and I
[47:13] Speaker 17: think it's inevitable in time, is an act of Parliament
[47:16] Speaker 17: to strip him of being Prince Andrew, and at that
[47:18] Speaker 17: point he becomes Andrew Batman Windsor, and at that point
[47:22] Speaker 17: he becomes less of a headache for his brother, the king.
[47:25] Speaker 2: And also the inevitability of the visibility of King Charles
[47:30] Speaker 2: is that at some point somewhere someone will have the
[47:33] Speaker 2: opportunity to ask him a question. At some point he
[47:36] Speaker 2: has to publicly back in what is obviously his judgment. Now,
[47:42] Speaker 2: obviously the way that news works, we all want that
[47:45] Speaker 2: and we want it tomorrow and all the rest of it, right,
[47:47] Speaker 2: But we also know that if they wait five years
[47:49] Speaker 2: and they try to pick somebody who's going to be
[47:52] Speaker 2: a friendly, we know whoever's it's going to end up
[47:54] Speaker 2: sitting opposite him in whatever context they're going to go,
[47:57] Speaker 2: and they're not going to ask one question and move
[47:59] Speaker 2: on to so let's talk about the Chelsea Flower Show.
[48:02] Speaker 1: They're going to go who knew what? And when? And
[48:03] Speaker 1: where were you? And what was this?
[48:04] Speaker 2: And what do you want to say about your mother?
[48:06] Speaker 2: That makes it incredibly high stakes for Charles as part
[48:11] Speaker 2: of that definition of his reign, doesn't it, Well.
[48:15] Speaker 17: It really does, and I think that's why he has
[48:17] Speaker 17: to become a civilian. And I also don't think Paul
[48:20] Speaker 17: that it's tenable for him to remain in the royal
[48:22] Speaker 17: Lodge and stay on the royal estate in Windsor, partly
[48:25] Speaker 17: because our next King William, who of course is the
[48:29] Speaker 17: Prince of Wells at the moment, he has purchased a
[48:32] Speaker 17: forever home which is also on the Windsor estate right,
[48:34] Speaker 17: and that's called Forest Lodge. Prince Andrew Old Randy Andy
[48:38] Speaker 17: himself will be his neighbor, and you just cannot have
[48:41] Speaker 17: the optics of that that Andrew's living it up in
[48:44] Speaker 17: this incredible estate, which by the way, is absolutely enormous
[48:47] Speaker 17: compared to where William will live both as Prince of
[48:50] Speaker 17: Wells and king. It's just not tenable. So I think
[48:53] Speaker 17: not only has he got to lose his official place
[48:57] Speaker 17: within the monarchy as eighth in line to the throne,
[49:00] Speaker 17: Prince Andrew, he's got to go in exile too. He's
[49:02] Speaker 17: got to go to Africa or Switzerland or Singapore. It's
[49:07] Speaker 17: a non starter for Andrew to remain certainly on royal
[49:11] Speaker 17: property and probably to remain in this country. There's another headache,
[49:14] Speaker 17: by the way, which is a leading MP wants to
[49:17] Speaker 17: know how Prince Andrew's settlement with Virginia Dufrey in twenty
[49:21] Speaker 17: twenty two was paid for twenty three million Australian dollars. Paul, So,
[49:28] Speaker 17: you've got so much here. You've got politics, you've got optics,
[49:30] Speaker 17: you've got sex, you got money, you got power.
[49:32] Speaker 1: You got abuse.
[49:33] Speaker 17: This story's got everything bloody Earth.
[49:35] Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark.
[49:36] Speaker 2: I look forward to your coverage John on the Mark
[49:37] Speaker 2: Doland Show on Talk Too V and also on his
[49:39] Speaker 2: YouTube channel. Thank you mate, do appreciate it. That's our
[49:42] Speaker 2: show for tonight. Thank you very much for watching. We'll
[49:44] Speaker 2: see you again tomorrow. You can always send me an email.
[49:46] Speaker 2: Paulardskynews dot com dot au and remember sky News dot
[49:49] Speaker 2: com dot you. That's your homepage. That's all the coverage.
[49:52] Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes between Trump and Albanezi. See
[49:54] Speaker 2: you tomorrow

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