# Paul Murray Live | 10 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 10 Aug 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/32f86dca-7579-4b48-b776-b4a200d09f9b/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Former treasurer left out of Bondi antisemitism Royal Commission, mortgage holders hoping cash rate stays at 4.35 per cent. Plus, Jaguar sales crash after controversial brand reboot. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Thank you, Sherry, get a mate, Come on into the
[0:08] Speaker 2: man cave. We've got a lot of work to do tonight.
[0:10] Speaker 2: The first and most important thing is to say we
[0:12] Speaker 2: are hitting the road again for our town in a
[0:14] Speaker 2: couple of weeks time, and we're going back to my
[0:16] Speaker 2: spiritual home, the greatest state of them all, the magnificent Queensland.
[0:20] Speaker 1: I can't get enough. We love finding a way to celebrate.
[0:23] Speaker 2: This beautiful part of that wonderful state, in this magnificent country.
[0:27] Speaker 2: And we're heading to Maryborough if you would like to
[0:30] Speaker 2: join us on the twenty third of August in that
[0:32] Speaker 2: beautiful part of Queensland, not too far from Harvey Bay,
[0:36] Speaker 2: but if you know your way around, get there Sunday,
[0:39] Speaker 2: twenty third of August. Let's fill the joint. We've got
[0:41] Speaker 2: a nice, big, beautiful room. Our town at News twenty
[0:45] Speaker 2: four dot com. Ourtown at News twenty four dot com
[0:49] Speaker 2: dot that's the email. The process remains the same. First
[0:52] Speaker 2: in best drest, Let's get as many people who are
[0:54] Speaker 2: hardcore viewers of the program on Foxtel, on the app
[0:59] Speaker 2: or watching us on Freedom Where our town at News
[1:01] Speaker 2: twenty four dot com dot a you Mirraboro in a
[1:04] Speaker 2: couple of weeks Queensland kiss the ground for me. Now,
[1:10] Speaker 2: reality is twenty eight million people go about a pretty
[1:12] Speaker 2: peaceful life here in Australia. When we don't, it becomes
[1:15] Speaker 2: major news. We all of course do our best when
[1:19] Speaker 2: it comes to providing for our families. If you get
[1:21] Speaker 2: a bit of free time on the weekends, we spend
[1:23] Speaker 2: it with family and friends. And whether you do it
[1:26] Speaker 2: standing up or sitting down a pint a coke zero
[1:31] Speaker 2: or whatever it happens to be, or maybe you get
[1:33] Speaker 2: a giant frozen coke and you go to the movies,
[1:36] Speaker 2: like plenty of people have over the past couple of weeks,
[1:38] Speaker 2: the biggest weekends we've had in a very long time,
[1:41] Speaker 2: if not all time, because people are going off to
[1:43] Speaker 2: see the Spider Man movie, huge film. That thing is
[1:46] Speaker 2: right now again. I took the kids on the weekend
[1:50] Speaker 2: second time I saw it, we went to the drive in.
[1:52] Speaker 1: It was awesome.
[1:53] Speaker 2: But the reality is is that sometimes there are things
[1:57] Speaker 2: that break the peace. There are tragedies that stop us
[2:02] Speaker 2: in our tracks. The attack in Bondi would be the
[2:06] Speaker 2: most recent visible and deadly version of that in recent
[2:10] Speaker 2: modern Australian history forever, our country changed by that event,
[2:16] Speaker 2: matters before the Court, a royal commission that's kind of
[2:19] Speaker 2: hands off on all of it, but we all know
[2:21] Speaker 2: about how significant that effect still is hon us to
[2:23] Speaker 2: this very day. And the reality is is that there
[2:26] Speaker 2: are people whose full time job, and it's not just
[2:29] Speaker 2: the forty hours, it's the full twenty four hours of
[2:32] Speaker 2: seven days of every week, is to keep us safe.
[2:37] Speaker 2: The people whose job it is to follow every tip,
[2:39] Speaker 2: every lead, to follow up on every piece of information,
[2:42] Speaker 2: and they've got to get at one hundred percent right,
[2:44] Speaker 2: and sadly, inevitably, because they are humans, there are moments
[2:48] Speaker 2: like Bondai where they are unable to stop the threat
[2:53] Speaker 2: that is from within.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Which is why I was absolutely.
[2:58] Speaker 2: Not for six today when I saw this headline about
[3:01] Speaker 2: how many people in Australia are the threat from within?
[3:06] Speaker 2: Three hundred would be terrorists are living in Australia. These
[3:11] Speaker 2: are the people that are known about. These are the
[3:14] Speaker 2: people that are going through the deradicalization process. So these
[3:18] Speaker 2: aren't the people who presumably are planning something, thinking about something,
[3:22] Speaker 2: dreaming about something going nuts in their backyards and basements.
[3:27] Speaker 1: But about three hundred would be terrorists are living in Australia.
[3:30] Speaker 1: Can you believe this?
[3:31] Speaker 2: The number of people in deradicalization programs has jumped twenty percent,
[3:35] Speaker 2: by the way, since the Bondi terrorist attack. Now that
[3:39] Speaker 2: it wasn't three years ago, that was December last year.
[3:42] Speaker 2: The Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said the number and
[3:44] Speaker 2: complexity of radicalization cases was increasing, as experts warned that
[3:49] Speaker 2: Australia faced a number of potential threats, including how's this
[3:52] Speaker 2: from Islamist terror to far left and far right wing extremism.
[3:57] Speaker 2: We've talked about all of these examples, but to have
[3:59] Speaker 2: an all together in one spot, it is pretty sobering.
[4:03] Speaker 2: An extremism expert is quoted today is saying that the
[4:07] Speaker 2: combination of cost of living crisis and issues like housing
[4:10] Speaker 2: affordability had led to a spike in people feeling disempowered,
[4:13] Speaker 2: anxious and desperate. Yeah, that's the reality. When people feel
[4:18] Speaker 2: that the world is not working for them, then they
[4:19] Speaker 2: wish to lash out on the world. Now, there is
[4:24] Speaker 2: not an automatic and direct correlation between it being tough
[4:29] Speaker 2: to pay your bills. But again, how often we've talked
[4:32] Speaker 2: about the number of people who are lonely in this country.
[4:34] Speaker 2: The number of people who feel that they have been
[4:35] Speaker 2: pushed to the margins because of their opinions, and I'm
[4:38] Speaker 2: not even beginning to get into the radicalization of the
[4:41] Speaker 2: far left or the far right. It continues. We also
[4:47] Speaker 2: know the online environments continue to go primarily unregulated, and
[4:52] Speaker 2: people are spending more and more time online. So this
[4:55] Speaker 2: is the intersection of factors. Department confirmed there are two
[5:01] Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight individuals in the National Counter Violent
[5:05] Speaker 2: Extremism Program as of June thirty. This compares to two
[5:09] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three individuals in deradicalization programs at the
[5:12] Speaker 2: end of last year, meaning there has been an increase
[5:15] Speaker 2: of seventeen percent in just six months. The pressure that
[5:22] Speaker 2: is on those who need to keep us safe is endless.
[5:27] Speaker 2: The ASO boss Mike Burgess has told us multiple times
[5:31] Speaker 2: that the threat comes from many different angles, but it
[5:34] Speaker 2: always comes from the same place, and that is the
[5:38] Speaker 2: madness of those who believe that violence is the only answer,
[5:44] Speaker 2: that somehow there is a moral, religious, or political justification
[5:49] Speaker 2: for that violence. I start tonight's program not to freak
[5:54] Speaker 2: you out, but to say thank you to the people
[5:56] Speaker 2: whose full time, job, vocation, and life is about keeping
[6:01] Speaker 2: us safe. We can play our part two because when
[6:05] Speaker 2: we start to notice that member of the family starting
[6:09] Speaker 2: to drift away, you start to notice that the conversation
[6:12] Speaker 2: in the group chat is getting a little bit violent.
[6:15] Speaker 2: You need to reach out to people. You need to
[6:17] Speaker 2: start with that conversation of are you okay. You need
[6:20] Speaker 2: to try to remind as many people in our lives
[6:23] Speaker 2: as possible that they are valued, that they are needed,
[6:25] Speaker 2: because that might be just the spark that is needed
[6:29] Speaker 2: to pull them back to those who end up further
[6:32] Speaker 2: out and further out and further out than we need
[6:35] Speaker 2: all of the resources that are technically, financially and politically
[6:40] Speaker 2: possible to keep us safe because it should not be
[6:45] Speaker 2: scenarios ware innocent souls are killed on Bondo Beach for
[6:50] Speaker 2: us to realize how big the problem is. Yes, go
[6:53] Speaker 2: about your day as normal, but as always, be vigilant,
[6:57] Speaker 2: as always, be aware, as always, do your bit to
[7:00] Speaker 2: keep an eye and to inform, not to tattletale, not
[7:04] Speaker 2: to dab, but to inform yourself of the people that
[7:07] Speaker 2: are around you, to try to save people before they
[7:10] Speaker 2: cannot be saved, and for those that cannot be saved.
[7:14] Speaker 2: May there be as much money, as much resources, as
[7:16] Speaker 2: much attention as possible into the systems that hopefully are
[7:20] Speaker 2: able to pull people back from the brink. And if
[7:24] Speaker 2: you feel yourself not somebody who's headed towards any sort
[7:28] Speaker 2: of radicalism, but starting to feel like the world is
[7:32] Speaker 2: spinning a bit too fast, well sometimes it is completely
[7:35] Speaker 2: okay to digital detos to stop doom scrolling, to step
[7:40] Speaker 2: away and as they say, feel the grass. Not because
[7:43] Speaker 2: you're a potential terrorist, but because we all need to
[7:46] Speaker 2: be reminded of the real world, not the one that
[7:49] Speaker 2: sits inside our phone, because in many ways online is
[7:52] Speaker 2: like a casino, non natural light, all dopamine and all
[7:57] Speaker 2: designed to hive view off from the twenty eight million
[8:01] Speaker 2: people who live here and the seven billion people who
[8:04] Speaker 2: live around the world. Community is always important. It's why,
[8:08] Speaker 2: above all else, I value the community that we have
[8:11] Speaker 2: built where hopefully you get as much out of it
[8:15] Speaker 2: as I do. To have this chat each and every night,
[8:18] Speaker 2: that's why I will do it for as long as
[8:20] Speaker 2: I have the capacity, even when sometimes I don't literally
[8:24] Speaker 2: have the voice. And speaking of the situation involving BONDI,
[8:30] Speaker 2: of course the anti Semitism Royal Commission. Now, I'll be honest,
[8:34] Speaker 2: what hope I had for all of this had been
[8:37] Speaker 2: dashed pretty quickly. You remember that at the very start
[8:40] Speaker 2: of this thing, I pointed out there were problems with
[8:44] Speaker 2: the way this thing was being built. And then of
[8:46] Speaker 2: course we all got hit between the eyes that the
[8:48] Speaker 2: very commission that only happened because of what happened in
[8:50] Speaker 2: Bondi couldn't actually talk about what's happening in Bondi, despite
[8:54] Speaker 2: the fact that somebody had already been charged before the
[8:59] Speaker 2: Royal Commission starts. But this was the excuse why they're
[9:02] Speaker 2: not really dealing with Bondai. At the Royal Commission into
[9:05] Speaker 2: Anti Semitism and Social Cosion.
[9:08] Speaker 3: An individual has been charged with a terrorism offense.
[9:14] Speaker 1: The trial of that.
[9:15] Speaker 3: Individual will be the occasion to lead evidence of the attack.
[9:21] Speaker 3: This commission muster its work without risking any prejudice to
[9:26] Speaker 3: that criminal proceeding. Leading evidence of this commission from people
[9:33] Speaker 3: who maybe witnesses in the criminal proceeding won't create.
[9:38] Speaker 1: That risk, and for that reason it will not occur.
[9:42] Speaker 2: Of course, that was clear. That was known from the
[9:44] Speaker 2: day that it was announced. But we know the Prime
[9:46] Speaker 2: Minister didn't want to announce the Royal Commission. We also
[9:49] Speaker 2: know that a bloke was being paid five thousand dollars
[9:52] Speaker 2: a day to dig into the problems inside the intelligence agencies.
[10:00] Speaker 1: Report itself, even though it was.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Half done, was basically junked by the Royal Commission because
[10:05] Speaker 2: it may well have exposed a few uncomfortable facts. The
[10:09] Speaker 2: report essentially abandoned by the Royal Commission. The Royal Commission
[10:15] Speaker 2: delivered an interim report before it had even taken evidence
[10:19] Speaker 2: from a single human being in the Commission hearing. As
[10:23] Speaker 2: I told you before, this was the fastest turnaround between
[10:26] Speaker 2: the start of a Royal Commission and an interim report,
[10:29] Speaker 2: the fastest turnaround. And somehow they were able to come
[10:33] Speaker 2: to an interim report while completely essentially ignoring some of
[10:37] Speaker 2: the pre work that had already been done, and before
[10:40] Speaker 2: they had actually taken any public evidence from anyone providing
[10:46] Speaker 2: evidence to the Royal Commission. There was the offense last
[10:51] Speaker 2: week when a person representing the Jewish community from New
[10:55] Speaker 2: South Wales is being asked about the behaviors of the
[10:59] Speaker 2: Israeli government, as if this has anything to do with
[11:05] Speaker 2: the matters supposedly being dealt with in that commission.
[11:07] Speaker 1: This went on for an hour.
[11:11] Speaker 2: Well today yet another example about why I do not
[11:16] Speaker 2: have faith in this Royal Commission to do what we
[11:18] Speaker 2: wanted it to do. Josh Friedenberg, of course, was the
[11:24] Speaker 2: former Treasurer of this country. He couldn't be a more
[11:27] Speaker 2: passionate Australian and a proud member of the Jewish community.
[11:33] Speaker 2: Today we learn that he will not be giving any evidence.
[11:37] Speaker 2: He will not be given the platform to be able
[11:39] Speaker 2: to either give a statement or to sit there and
[11:43] Speaker 2: give evidence. Remember, this is about anti Semitism. He made
[11:47] Speaker 2: literally a documentary about it here right and social cohesion,
[11:51] Speaker 2: which of course has fallen away a point that is
[11:56] Speaker 2: just straight up malicious.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Should he be the only voice? No?
[12:02] Speaker 2: Is his a pre eminent voice, absolutely so understandably his
[12:07] Speaker 2: former Liberal Party colleagues while he's still remember the Liberal Party,
[12:10] Speaker 2: I'm talking about parliamentary colleagues. Will they have voiced disquiet
[12:14] Speaker 2: and the decision yet again of this Royal Commission to
[12:16] Speaker 2: just find a way to not look at the real problem,
[12:20] Speaker 2: which is the commitment we're hearing lack there of of
[12:23] Speaker 2: the government into dealing with anti Semitism and social cohesion.
[12:30] Speaker 4: I'm surprised that as a community leader, he hasn't been invited.
[12:33] Speaker 4: I think a lot of what he said has made sense.
[12:35] Speaker 4: I don't think there's anyone out there that disagrees. I'll
[12:37] Speaker 4: be interested to see whether they revise that position.
[12:41] Speaker 2: But if you ask me, the single biggest reason why
[12:44] Speaker 2: Josh Fredenberg has not been invited to give evidence to
[12:47] Speaker 2: that Royal commission is because he made things uncomfortable for
[12:51] Speaker 2: the Prime minister. Remember, the Prime Minister didn't want a
[12:55] Speaker 2: royal commission. He thought that the guy who was being
[12:57] Speaker 2: paid five thousand dollars a day to do a report
[13:00] Speaker 2: which would have essentially been blacked out like all of
[13:02] Speaker 2: the other super secret reports that exist for this government,
[13:05] Speaker 2: where barely you get to know the chapter headings when
[13:08] Speaker 2: you have a look at things under freedom of information,
[13:10] Speaker 2: that the in house would all be kept in house,
[13:12] Speaker 2: and any responsibility or blame, well, none of that could
[13:15] Speaker 2: be ceded back to the government. This is a royal
[13:17] Speaker 2: commission into a problem that pretends we have no government,
[13:22] Speaker 2: that there is not one action that the federal, state
[13:26] Speaker 2: or local governments could have done better. Remember this was
[13:30] Speaker 2: the Prime minister's initial response because he didn't want a
[13:34] Speaker 2: Royal commission because he wanted all of this to be
[13:36] Speaker 2: over by the time he got back from summer holidays.
[13:40] Speaker 5: Are you running from Sprutany by not holding of no.
[13:46] Speaker 6: Wrong?
[13:48] Speaker 2: And who was the person who dragged this Prime Minister
[13:52] Speaker 2: more than any other to the Royal Commission Josh Friedenberg.
[13:57] Speaker 2: The pettiness and the revenge of saying that Josh Friedenberg
[14:01] Speaker 2: does not get to give evidence that his opinion is
[14:05] Speaker 2: not worthy in this discussion. Pretty obviously when the Prime
[14:10] Speaker 2: Minister was running, Josh Fridenberg was saying this.
[14:16] Speaker 7: You have supported a Royal commission into our welfare system,
[14:21] Speaker 7: you have supported a Royal commission into age care, and
[14:26] Speaker 7: now the most deadliest terrorist attack in Australia's history.
[14:31] Speaker 1: Has occurred on your watch.
[14:33] Speaker 7: There is no ifs, there is no butts. There must
[14:36] Speaker 7: be a Royal commission called immediately.
[14:41] Speaker 2: That's why Josh Fredenberg has not been invited to give
[14:45] Speaker 2: the same evidence that others have been given to this
[14:47] Speaker 2: Royal Commission. It was largely his relentlessness that was able
[14:54] Speaker 2: to keep the story alive way longer than the Prime
[14:57] Speaker 2: Minister ever wanted it to be. He was able to
[15:00] Speaker 2: rally eminent Australians, Jewish non Jewish who all demanded that
[15:07] Speaker 2: this was the appropriate way to get to the bottom
[15:10] Speaker 2: of a true evil that had clearly dug into Australia
[15:15] Speaker 2: and dug in for too long. The too many people
[15:19] Speaker 2: sat in denial of too many people tried to minimize.
[15:22] Speaker 2: Too many people tried to pretend wasn't really a thing.
[15:25] Speaker 2: Too many people tried to pretend was something being orchestrated
[15:28] Speaker 2: overseas as opposed to the hate that was growing inside
[15:34] Speaker 2: our own borders. This Royal Commission seemingly that every serious
[15:42] Speaker 2: step has chosen to go in the direction that best
[15:46] Speaker 2: helps the government. Now do I think that the government
[15:50] Speaker 2: is solely to blame for anti Semitism?
[15:54] Speaker 1: No?
[15:55] Speaker 2: Do I believe that any Australian politician is responsible for
[15:58] Speaker 2: the actions that happened on that day, of course not.
[16:05] Speaker 2: But just like if there was any other major crime
[16:10] Speaker 2: or disaster that took place, they play a role. Did
[16:15] Speaker 2: they make choices that were the wrong ones since they
[16:18] Speaker 2: came to power. The fact that nobody is allowed to
[16:22] Speaker 2: ask that question, well, it gives you the answer that
[16:24] Speaker 2: a man who would have been able to ask that
[16:27] Speaker 2: question in the final week of hearings would have been
[16:29] Speaker 2: Josh Fredenberg, hence why he wasn't invited to a royal
[16:34] Speaker 2: commission that the Prime Minister never wanted, that he only
[16:37] Speaker 2: had to have because principally Josh made it happen. The
[16:44] Speaker 2: Reserve Bank is meeting today, they will announce tomorrow their decision.
[16:47] Speaker 2: When it comes to interest rates, now there is as
[16:51] Speaker 2: always mass speculation about which way is it going to go,
[16:53] Speaker 2: is going to go up, is it going to go down?
[16:54] Speaker 2: Is it going to stay exactly where it is? And
[16:56] Speaker 2: of course if it stays exactly where it is, that's
[16:58] Speaker 2: terrible because that is the same terrible place we have
[17:01] Speaker 2: been in fifteen interest rate rises since twenty and twenty two,
[17:07] Speaker 2: all of them on this government's watch.
[17:10] Speaker 8: Pretty wide expectation that we're going to see a whole
[17:12] Speaker 8: this month based on the fact that inflation came in
[17:14] Speaker 8: better than expected. So really what we're going.
[17:16] Speaker 9: To be watching is not so much what this decision is,
[17:18] Speaker 9: but what the next and the subsequent one's coming.
[17:22] Speaker 2: And that is the problem is that even if they
[17:24] Speaker 2: hold things steady where they are, it is at the
[17:26] Speaker 2: highest level that it has been in a very long time,
[17:30] Speaker 2: In fact, generation's time, tens of thousands of dollars people
[17:35] Speaker 2: have to find that they didn't have to find before
[17:38] Speaker 2: this government came to power to keep a roof over
[17:41] Speaker 2: their head. The chief political problem for the government is
[17:45] Speaker 2: that as long as interest rates remained this high, then
[17:47] Speaker 2: they're going to be where they are in the polls.
[17:49] Speaker 2: They got a brief reprieve, of course, just before the
[17:52] Speaker 2: last federal election, but of course they bought that outcome.
[17:56] Speaker 2: Remember the absolutely urgent cost of living help when it
[17:59] Speaker 2: came to energy bills that disappeared when they didn't need
[18:03] Speaker 2: to be re elected, Just like the absolutely urgent help
[18:07] Speaker 2: when it came to cost of living when it came
[18:09] Speaker 2: to cutting fuel excise, and then they got rid of
[18:13] Speaker 2: that too. The fear is that even if everything is
[18:17] Speaker 2: kept where it is, there's a chance that things are
[18:19] Speaker 2: going to continue to go up, because the case, according
[18:21] Speaker 2: to the Financial Review is as we look further down
[18:23] Speaker 2: the track, it is more likely to go up than
[18:25] Speaker 2: it is to go down. Now, regardless of its political
[18:28] Speaker 2: consequences for the government, I of course want them to
[18:32] Speaker 2: go down. Why because I'm paying off a house like
[18:33] Speaker 2: a third of the rest of the country. The people
[18:36] Speaker 2: who are currently living in rental accommodation of course, every
[18:42] Speaker 2: time the interest rate goes up and your rent doesn't,
[18:46] Speaker 2: the financial likelihood of that property being able to remain
[18:50] Speaker 2: as an investment property, will it slowly but surely flitters away.
[18:55] Speaker 2: But of course we're so far away from an election.
[18:57] Speaker 2: Who cares right?
[18:59] Speaker 1: Well?
[18:59] Speaker 2: Again, I mentioned at the start of the program, what
[19:01] Speaker 2: is the now monthly worry for millions of people. A
[19:05] Speaker 2: third of the country's paid its house off. A third
[19:07] Speaker 2: of the country is renting, which means somebody else owns
[19:09] Speaker 2: it in a third of the country is paying off
[19:11] Speaker 2: their home. Obviously, we hope it doesn't get any worse tomorrow. Now,
[19:18] Speaker 2: if there is one thing that all of us have
[19:19] Speaker 2: probably heard a little bit too much about it and
[19:21] Speaker 2: it's a bit like the days where on talkback radio,
[19:24] Speaker 2: when you couldn't think of anything to do, you'd say, so,
[19:26] Speaker 2: should we become a republic? Will we change the flag?
[19:29] Speaker 2: And you knew that. The debate floated, but it didn't
[19:32] Speaker 2: really affect anything. And it feels like the modern version
[19:35] Speaker 2: of the when there's nothing else to talk about, you
[19:38] Speaker 2: talk about.
[19:38] Speaker 1: This is.
[19:40] Speaker 5: Artificial intelligence AI AI AI of an AI, and.
[19:47] Speaker 2: I'll talk to Mat Canavan about those glasses in a
[19:49] Speaker 2: moment or two times, shout out to everyone and went
[19:51] Speaker 2: to ECHA in Brucebyne over the weekend and over the.
[19:53] Speaker 1: Next few days.
[19:54] Speaker 2: And the reality is most of us have some concerns
[19:57] Speaker 2: about AI because we're not quite sure what it means.
[20:01] Speaker 2: Sixty five percent of people agree with the idea that
[20:03] Speaker 2: AI is going to create more problems than it solves.
[20:06] Speaker 2: And of course ALI isn't just about making funny pictures.
[20:09] Speaker 2: It's about replacing whole industries, the data centers, all the
[20:13] Speaker 2: rest of it. Thankfully, the majority of us don't buy
[20:15] Speaker 2: into the idea that the risk of human extinction happens
[20:18] Speaker 2: anytime soon. Well, today a big idea was put on place,
[20:23] Speaker 2: and I've got to say well done to the South
[20:25] Speaker 2: Australian premiere Peter melanowskis because he is going to have
[20:28] Speaker 2: a Royal commission, not into something that has happened, but
[20:31] Speaker 2: into something that is happening and is happening into the future.
[20:35] Speaker 2: There will be a Royal commission into artificial intelligence.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Why did he call it?
[20:41] Speaker 9: Today?
[20:41] Speaker 5: Have made a decision that we will have a Royal
[20:44] Speaker 5: commission into the way that AI operates in our society.
[20:47] Speaker 5: In South Australia policy framework we will utilize to make
[20:51] Speaker 5: sure we realize the opportunities.
[20:52] Speaker 1: Thinking through what we.
[20:53] Speaker 5: Do in schools, thinking what we do in labor market reform,
[20:57] Speaker 5: think what we do about delivery of government.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Services and what will it look at.
[21:03] Speaker 5: Look at the way we use AI in the public sector,
[21:06] Speaker 5: the way we're teaching AIS in schools, and the way
[21:10] Speaker 5: that we're setting up AI in South Australia so where
[21:12] Speaker 5: they're not we're not a price taker from someone else
[21:15] Speaker 5: and someone else, it's not a part of the world,
[21:17] Speaker 5: but rather we're creating these industries here.
[21:20] Speaker 1: Now.
[21:20] Speaker 2: Again, I don't know where this thing's going to go,
[21:23] Speaker 2: but how good is it to have a leaders somewhere?
[21:25] Speaker 2: And again I don't agree with everything that he's done
[21:28] Speaker 2: or is doing, but I like that you've got somebody
[21:31] Speaker 2: who's putting sort of some serious thought into something that's
[21:34] Speaker 2: happening now and happening into the future, as opposed to
[21:36] Speaker 2: ask covering about what's happened in the past, or just
[21:38] Speaker 2: pretending there is no ass to cover about actions in
[21:41] Speaker 2: the past. Allah the situation that I was talking about earlier.
[21:48] Speaker 2: And while yes, the big issues are being debated about AI,
[21:52] Speaker 2: our politics is at always very local. It doesn't matter
[21:56] Speaker 2: whether it's the federal parliament. It doesn't matter whether it
[21:58] Speaker 2: is the state parliament. Sometimes all politics is local. I'll
[22:02] Speaker 2: get to potholes in a second. But the politics in
[22:05] Speaker 2: Victoria today was about how often they collect the rubbish. Now,
[22:10] Speaker 2: not every council across Victoria collects the dirty stuff that
[22:15] Speaker 2: can't be recycled the landfill every week. In fact, some
[22:18] Speaker 2: places do it every two weeks. Why because you.
[22:20] Speaker 1: Know, we've got to cut back on waste. But anyone
[22:23] Speaker 1: who of.
[22:23] Speaker 2: Course fills the bin after two days knows, yeah, that's
[22:25] Speaker 2: a problem. So today Jess Wilson has come out and
[22:28] Speaker 2: said that it's common sense change that makes life easier
[22:30] Speaker 2: for households. Households should not have to wait a fortnite
[22:33] Speaker 2: with their overflowing bin to be collected weekly. Rubbish collection
[22:37] Speaker 2: is an essential service that you shouldn't.
[22:39] Speaker 1: Depend on your postcard. How a freakom Louya.
[22:43] Speaker 2: And while the new premier is giving softball interviews to
[22:46] Speaker 2: people in his office in Melbourne.
[22:49] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not just cintere Allen, I'm not Daniel Andrews.
[22:51] Speaker 1: I don't have any real answers.
[22:53] Speaker 2: About the corruption report that I am studying, but I
[22:57] Speaker 2: haven't actually reacted to a problem. That he's not able
[22:59] Speaker 2: to spin his way out of his potholes. Where is
[23:02] Speaker 2: the strategy here? Where is the urgency again? If you
[23:05] Speaker 2: can't fix a pothole, if you can't collect the rubbish,
[23:07] Speaker 2: I don't trust you to be able to fix the
[23:09] Speaker 2: school system, the health system, little our national defense, or
[23:12] Speaker 2: even to discuss the future of AI. How's this a
[23:16] Speaker 2: couple of stories? This is one around today because it
[23:19] Speaker 2: was a particularly wet day. And then the Princess Highway
[23:22] Speaker 2: near Bunyip Mechanics came to the aid of dozens of
[23:24] Speaker 2: drivers after a large, jagged pothole caused carnage on the
[23:28] Speaker 2: Princess Highway near Bunyup during the peak hour on Monday morning.
[23:31] Speaker 2: More than thirty cars were taken out by a crater
[23:33] Speaker 2: in the road just before Hope Street, along the major
[23:36] Speaker 2: thoroughfare about an hour from Melbourne, bringing traffic to a crawl.
[23:40] Speaker 1: Here's some of the pictures. Absolute mess.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Oh, trust me, I'm not just cent to roil and
[23:46] Speaker 2: trust me I'm not Daniel Andrews, Well, pal, you were
[23:48] Speaker 2: around the cabinet table when both of them couldn't give
[23:51] Speaker 2: a fly about the roads, let alone the ones that
[23:56] Speaker 2: are further away from Melbourne. Meantime, another thing that I
[24:02] Speaker 2: want to mention here with Ben Carroll is the working
[24:05] Speaker 2: from home situation. Now the Parliament in Victoria is currently
[24:10] Speaker 2: having a look at and most likely will pass new
[24:12] Speaker 2: laws that will guarantee the right for people to be
[24:15] Speaker 2: able to work at home. Why because of course they
[24:18] Speaker 2: want to win an election. Why because most people don't
[24:20] Speaker 2: like their jobs. Why because of course going to the
[24:22] Speaker 2: office it's too inconvenient if you dislike one of those jobs. Well, Unbelievably,
[24:28] Speaker 2: of one of the groups of people who will apparently
[24:30] Speaker 2: now be allowed to under these laws not have to
[24:32] Speaker 2: go into work are people who work for the court system.
[24:37] Speaker 2: Victorian court staff could be allowed to work from home
[24:39] Speaker 2: under flexible arrangements being considered. Despite a growing case backlog
[24:44] Speaker 2: and lengthy delays, latest official data shows thousands of cases
[24:47] Speaker 2: being added to a worsening backlog seven thousand criminal cases
[24:52] Speaker 2: added to the network in the past twelve months. Thereld
[24:55] Speaker 2: some can now reveal that a working group has been
[24:57] Speaker 2: established inside the Magistrate's Court of Victoria, the state's busiest
[25:01] Speaker 2: court network, to consider how changes to staff arrangements ahead
[25:04] Speaker 2: of the Carroll Government's new working from home laws, which
[25:07] Speaker 2: is scheduled to come into force next month. Your work
[25:09] Speaker 2: for the court, you have to go to the freaking court.
[25:14] Speaker 2: An all staff forum was told last week that options
[25:16] Speaker 2: to allow staff to work from home is currently being explored.
[25:19] Speaker 1: A new IT system will be put in place. Fair think.
[25:26] Speaker 2: And finally you may have seen this story, but it
[25:29] Speaker 2: ends with a twist. We were learning over the weekend
[25:33] Speaker 2: that there was a major police search which was taking
[25:36] Speaker 2: place around Golburn in southern New South Wales. Why because
[25:40] Speaker 2: of a rather grizzly discovery.
[25:43] Speaker 10: We are relying a lot on forensic evidence. Unfortunately, the
[25:48] Speaker 10: female remains have been a subject to a state of decomposition.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Yes, there was a bag, but it wasn't a body.
[25:56] Speaker 2: It wasn't human, it wasn't animal. Instead, it was.
[26:00] Speaker 11: This doll has been mistaken for human remains after it
[26:05] Speaker 11: was found in an abandoned suitcase near Bushland in the
[26:08] Speaker 11: southern Highlands of New South Wales. A murder investigation has
[26:12] Speaker 11: been called off in the state's southern tablelands after a
[26:15] Speaker 11: shock twist in the case. Forensic testing reveal what was
[26:19] Speaker 11: thought to be a body stuffed in a suitcase was actually.
[26:22] Speaker 1: A lifelike doll.
[26:24] Speaker 10: That call came twenty hours after police began investigating.
[26:28] Speaker 6: New South Wales police have been left red faced after
[26:31] Speaker 6: what they thought was a woman's body he found in
[26:34] Speaker 6: a suitcase turned out to be a life sized doll.
[26:37] Speaker 6: Investigators made the discovery south of Golden around midday yesterday,
[26:41] Speaker 6: but this morning confirmed it was a false alarm.
[26:46] Speaker 1: What did the police say when it was not human?
[26:53] Speaker 10: We can confirm that the remains found at o'allen Ford Road,
[26:58] Speaker 10: Ollen yesterday are now identified as not being human.
[27:03] Speaker 2: Really, I know that you check for a pulse, but
[27:06] Speaker 2: surely surely could somewhat work out what was going on
[27:10] Speaker 2: before they called the big search. But anyway, a little
[27:13] Speaker 2: moment today and we're the most properly show anyway, and
[27:16] Speaker 2: I love the police in all their forms. But ouch,
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[28:42] Speaker 2: More in a sec here on Paul Murray Life Monday
[28:50] Speaker 2: Night in the man Cave. It means everyone's going to
[28:52] Speaker 2: agree to prove that very point.
[28:54] Speaker 1: Of course.
[28:54] Speaker 2: The Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Ncholas Reese matcnaban, the leader
[28:57] Speaker 2: of the National Party who joins us from Cambright. Now, Matt,
[29:00] Speaker 2: I just want to quickly mention the glasses that you
[29:02] Speaker 2: had at Ecker. What was going on with those shades?
[29:05] Speaker 2: I loved it.
[29:08] Speaker 8: They're pet vipers, Paul, I got a pair. We've got
[29:12] Speaker 8: a pair for our son once. He's a keen roller
[29:14] Speaker 8: and rollers love them. Then I kept stealing him to
[29:17] Speaker 8: ride my bike, so they got me some for Father's Day.
[29:19] Speaker 8: And yeah, I love where the future is bright. Paul
[29:23] Speaker 8: is very bright, So go where those When I'm thinking visionary.
[29:30] Speaker 1: I love it.
[29:31] Speaker 2: The future shape bright. You need to wear shades, Nick, Sorry,
[29:33] Speaker 2: have you've got a pair as well? Am I the
[29:34] Speaker 2: one missing out here?
[29:36] Speaker 9: Well? You might be, actually, Paul, I've got a pair
[29:38] Speaker 9: of those. I wear them when I go running around
[29:40] Speaker 9: Melbourn's parks on the weekends. They do seem to have
[29:42] Speaker 9: a bit of an effect on people. The people definitely
[29:44] Speaker 9: step back. Once upon a time they've described as a
[29:47] Speaker 9: wife beaters. Don't think you're allowed to call them that anymore.
[29:50] Speaker 9: But they definitely provide good light filtration for you.
[29:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Keep the glare away, No, I don't
[29:56] Speaker 2: think they called that anymore. Also, I mean, look, I
[29:58] Speaker 2: got to say, when it comes to my glas, I
[30:00] Speaker 2: got a pair of those what people think of creepy glasses,
[30:03] Speaker 2: those meta ones.
[30:04] Speaker 1: You know, they've got a little camera in them.
[30:05] Speaker 2: Because obviously when we go on outtown this fun stuff
[30:07] Speaker 2: to film, people hate them, they add as soon as
[30:10] Speaker 2: they see so they don't get much of a run.
[30:12] Speaker 1: Apart from when we're out and driving.
[30:13] Speaker 2: All right, serious stuff now, So, Matt, it seems the
[30:16] Speaker 2: opposition's done to deal with the government. When it comes
[30:18] Speaker 2: to gambling legislation. Obviously the Prime Minister will announce it
[30:23] Speaker 2: in chapter and verse in the next little while. Are
[30:25] Speaker 2: you satisfied that enough is being done here? Because again
[30:28] Speaker 2: from the puritan left to the people who are genuinely
[30:31] Speaker 2: concerned about those that are left behind, say we need
[30:34] Speaker 2: some action, and for some this action will never be enough.
[30:37] Speaker 2: But what do you think about what's about to happen.
[30:41] Speaker 8: There is no deal, Paul.
[30:43] Speaker 1: I'll see some media.
[30:45] Speaker 8: Outlets breathlessly reporting that if I read between the lines,
[30:50] Speaker 8: it seems to have been briefed out by our political opponents.
[30:53] Speaker 8: But I spoke to Angus this evening and he had
[30:56] Speaker 8: a good meeting, good chat with the Prime Minister. But
[30:59] Speaker 8: definitely deal at this stage. Look, there's still some time
[31:02] Speaker 8: to go here. The Senate is looking into this legislation
[31:07] Speaker 8: and it's not due to report back till next Monday,
[31:12] Speaker 8: and we'll have party room discussions tomorrow. I've had a
[31:15] Speaker 8: lot of discussions with my colleagues and understandably this issue
[31:19] Speaker 8: creates a lot of passionate viewpoints. A lot of people
[31:23] Speaker 8: been hurt by the industry. We have some pretty shocking
[31:25] Speaker 8: allegations last week in the Senate Committee, and I know
[31:29] Speaker 8: my colleagues are working very hard to make sure we
[31:31] Speaker 8: get this legislation right, get the balance right. There's nothing
[31:34] Speaker 8: wrong with people having a punt, but there is something
[31:37] Speaker 8: wrong if some of the allegations we heard last week
[31:39] Speaker 8: are true about certain types of inducements targeting and vulnerable people.
[31:44] Speaker 8: That's not on either.
[31:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty obvious, right that Again,
[31:47] Speaker 2: what was being discussed in that Senate inquiry, which was
[31:50] Speaker 2: hey mate, you're a big gambler, so come and do this,
[31:53] Speaker 2: and we'll fly you here and we'll take you there,
[31:54] Speaker 2: and some mor nefariou stuff that was around. Pretty obviously
[31:57] Speaker 2: you'd be able to knock that on the head and obvious.
[32:00] Speaker 2: See there's the advertising question, right, and I think that, yes,
[32:02] Speaker 2: well there's an awful lot of it. There's not as
[32:04] Speaker 2: much maybe as there used to be, or maybe I'm
[32:06] Speaker 2: just not paying attention to it as much. But obviously, Nicholas,
[32:09] Speaker 2: I'm very aware of what problem gambling is, not because
[32:12] Speaker 2: I am, but because we all know the stories.
[32:14] Speaker 1: Right.
[32:15] Speaker 2: The case makes itself about the problem. But here's the deal.
[32:19] Speaker 2: People speeding cars, people drink too much. There is always excess.
[32:24] Speaker 2: When you have free access to something, you always have excess.
[32:28] Speaker 2: It seems to me that some of the people in
[32:30] Speaker 2: this conversation are people who it's a little bit like
[32:34] Speaker 2: a whole bunch of non drinkers coming up with laws
[32:36] Speaker 2: about alcohol because they don't use it, so who cares
[32:38] Speaker 2: ban it?
[32:39] Speaker 1: Get rid of it.
[32:40] Speaker 2: There's got to be a happy median here, And of
[32:42] Speaker 2: course as soon as you even start to talk about that,
[32:44] Speaker 2: you're on the side of the big gambling outfits.
[32:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:49] Speaker 9: Look, I love a punt as well, but I also
[32:53] Speaker 9: I think, like everyone in this conversation know that it's
[32:56] Speaker 9: something you've got to be careful around and you know
[33:00] Speaker 9: it is addictive, and so in the same way as
[33:03] Speaker 9: are able to ban cigarette advertising, I don't see what
[33:08] Speaker 9: the big deal is about curtailing very strongly gambling advertising
[33:13] Speaker 9: and equally the use of gambling inducements, the free bets
[33:17] Speaker 9: and all the add ons like it's all designed to
[33:20] Speaker 9: cook people and play to that addictive element around gambling,
[33:25] Speaker 9: and ultimately that's not good for individuals, it's.
[33:27] Speaker 1: Not good for Australia. So I actually would like to see.
[33:31] Speaker 9: The government go a bit harder and likes to the
[33:33] Speaker 9: opposition go a bit harder, and Matt, I'd light to
[33:35] Speaker 9: see you go a bit harder on this issue.
[33:36] Speaker 1: Please.
[33:37] Speaker 2: Well, but it's the thing. Look, when it seems like
[33:39] Speaker 2: there's a little deal here, and you remember the dark
[33:41] Speaker 2: arts of the Prime Minister's office, Nicholas, which is to
[33:43] Speaker 2: say there has been a deal and therefore putting the
[33:46] Speaker 2: opposition to a position where well, hang on what was
[33:48] Speaker 2: not a deal and the backlash so interesting to note
[33:51] Speaker 2: right about which way.
[33:53] Speaker 1: And again some of the people that are.
[33:54] Speaker 2: Just feeding off the information source that comes from the government,
[33:57] Speaker 2: hence why they like to tuck them all in at night,
[33:59] Speaker 2: don't rock the all right, we'll deal with that in
[34:01] Speaker 2: the next couple of days.
[34:02] Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about this idea here, which is.
[34:06] Speaker 2: Whether international students should also be able to slowly but
[34:10] Speaker 2: surely also learn a trade and perhaps that's their way
[34:13] Speaker 2: of either not earning their keep, but certainly maybe this
[34:15] Speaker 2: is a path to becoming permanent residents. Is this one
[34:20] Speaker 2: of those ideas Nicholas that got a couple of people's
[34:22] Speaker 2: head nodding, or is there an actual thing behind this?
[34:25] Speaker 2: You remember being your old UNI days. How would you
[34:27] Speaker 2: feel if one of the politics students when they were
[34:30] Speaker 2: doing that also had to go and learn how to
[34:32] Speaker 2: be a welder.
[34:34] Speaker 9: Well, I'm not sure that's exactly what's being proposed. It's
[34:37] Speaker 9: more about people coming in as students and then maybe
[34:41] Speaker 9: being a student as studying a trade as part of
[34:44] Speaker 9: being a student.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Here.
[34:46] Speaker 9: I mean, look, as long as you've got the right
[34:47] Speaker 9: guard rails in place here, I can see some benefits
[34:51] Speaker 9: I mean I who certainly can't be used to try
[34:53] Speaker 9: and undermine.
[34:54] Speaker 1: Wages for Australian workers. But it's also the case.
[34:58] Speaker 9: You know, we had an eight sent a drop in
[35:01] Speaker 9: people studying trades in Australia last Ye're even higher for
[35:05] Speaker 9: some particular trades like carpenters, chippies. So we do need
[35:08] Speaker 9: to see keep people coming into trades, of course, so
[35:12] Speaker 9: we keep building things in this country. I think we
[35:14] Speaker 9: all agree we need to build more. So if it
[35:16] Speaker 9: can help with that, I think it's good as long
[35:18] Speaker 9: as there's the right guard rails in there and ossie
[35:20] Speaker 9: workers don't have their rights and entitlements undermined.
[35:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Matt, here's the deal, and this is the
[35:25] Speaker 2: one that's going to get a couple of people teeth
[35:28] Speaker 2: chattering or whatever the heck I'm trying to say here.
[35:30] Speaker 2: We have sent too many people to university for too long.
[35:33] Speaker 2: We have demonized going to Taife. We have scandalized leaving
[35:38] Speaker 2: school in year ten. We have said that unless you
[35:40] Speaker 2: go to YU twelve somehow you're bombed out. If at
[35:43] Speaker 2: the end of year twelve you decide, look that's fine, excellent,
[35:45] Speaker 2: you know, I no mecaculous, but I want to go
[35:49] Speaker 2: off and become a builder. We have got this wrong
[35:51] Speaker 2: for a generation, and yes that doesn't help us today,
[35:55] Speaker 2: but can someone somewhere admit it.
[35:59] Speaker 1: Well? I agree with you, Paul.
[36:00] Speaker 8: We need more hard hats and fewer graduation caps. I
[36:04] Speaker 8: think that's obvious in our country and where the.
[36:06] Speaker 1: Skill shortages are.
[36:08] Speaker 8: I don't think this proposal, though, meets the problems that
[36:12] Speaker 8: beset employers who would like often to put more apprentices
[36:16] Speaker 8: on the problem is that the apprentices have become very,
[36:19] Speaker 8: very costly to train, that there's obviously no guarantees for
[36:25] Speaker 8: employers who do train apprentices that they would keep them,
[36:29] Speaker 8: and with a very competitive labor market, and so people
[36:33] Speaker 8: don't invest in them understandably. I think it much better
[36:36] Speaker 8: to get to the root cause of the problem here,
[36:38] Speaker 8: and that is to help and support Australian businesses who
[36:40] Speaker 8: want to put on Australians to do a trade. I
[36:43] Speaker 8: actually do think there's lots of young austrainers that would
[36:45] Speaker 8: like to do a trade, but there are that many spots,
[36:48] Speaker 8: or are much fewer spots than they used to be
[36:49] Speaker 8: for the reasons I outline. So I don't think we
[36:51] Speaker 8: need to import people to do them. We need to
[36:53] Speaker 8: make it easier for employers to offer trades in the
[36:57] Speaker 8: first place.
[36:57] Speaker 2: All right, let's do a couple of quick singles here
[36:59] Speaker 2: to run up the score before we start talking about
[37:02] Speaker 2: the censors.
[37:03] Speaker 1: Matt.
[37:04] Speaker 2: I love your announcement, or at least your call for
[37:06] Speaker 2: the government to put more money back into regional shows.
[37:10] Speaker 2: Obviously I've seen plenty when we go around the country
[37:12] Speaker 2: doing ourtown ECO of course is on right now. But
[37:14] Speaker 2: the federal government, because they couldn't care less about what
[37:16] Speaker 2: happens beyond the inner city borders, they're pulling the money
[37:20] Speaker 2: back for events.
[37:21] Speaker 1: That are the absolute heart of communities. Yeah.
[37:25] Speaker 8: The last two budgets, the government's cut funding to trade
[37:28] Speaker 8: shows with the grants program that they finished to have
[37:31] Speaker 8: finished early, and just recently in the last budget cut
[37:36] Speaker 8: funding to regional trade events. And these are the hard,
[37:39] Speaker 8: as you say, the heart of many communities. It's not
[37:41] Speaker 8: a lot of money, but it's a lot of money
[37:43] Speaker 8: for these small country shows where insurance costs, labor costs,
[37:47] Speaker 8: everything going up.
[37:48] Speaker 1: They need some help. I'm with you all.
[37:51] Speaker 2: And Nicholas, I've got to thirty seconds here in Melbourne City.
[37:55] Speaker 1: Do you collect the red bin every week. Ah, yes,
[37:58] Speaker 1: we do. Running into your ticket with Jess.
[38:01] Speaker 9: Wilson, well, I certainly agree with regular picking up for
[38:07] Speaker 9: people's beans. In fact, the city Melbourne we're doing more
[38:10] Speaker 9: bin collection. We're introducing Fogo bins. You know that's the
[38:13] Speaker 9: one where you throw all your green materials into a bind.
[38:16] Speaker 9: For all those people living in apartments in my municipality,
[38:20] Speaker 9: we've got the little caddies you can put on the
[38:21] Speaker 9: kitchen bench. If you don't do it, get into it.
[38:24] Speaker 9: You'll be a surprise man much weight there is in
[38:26] Speaker 9: the green.
[38:27] Speaker 2: I'll put you down as a maybe. All right, thank
[38:28] Speaker 2: you lads, do appreciate it.
[38:30] Speaker 1: All right? Census you can do it tonight, but it
[38:32] Speaker 1: is due tomorrow night.
[38:33] Speaker 2: What is the thinking behind the census in twenty twenty six?
[38:37] Speaker 1: All of those questions answered? Next, thank you.
[38:43] Speaker 2: So much for watching. Census night is tomorrow night, but
[38:46] Speaker 2: it could be tonight. In fact, you can fill out
[38:48] Speaker 2: any time between now and the end of tomorrow night,
[38:51] Speaker 2: So why not do it now? Lots of people have
[38:54] Speaker 2: lots of questions about all of it. The most important
[38:56] Speaker 2: one is yes it's compulsory. Yes you have to tell
[38:59] Speaker 2: the truth, and yes you have to do all of
[39:01] Speaker 2: the boxes. Professor Andrew Taylor is a professor of demography
[39:04] Speaker 2: at Charles Darwin University in the beautiful area of Northern Territory.
[39:09] Speaker 1: How are you, Professor?
[39:11] Speaker 12: Thanks so you, Paul?
[39:12] Speaker 1: Good Now, I won't lie.
[39:13] Speaker 2: I check the ABS website every day at eleven thirty.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Every day there's some new little data drop that comes
[39:19] Speaker 2: and it can be everything from you know, ours spent
[39:22] Speaker 2: walking the dog to you know, the ethnic makeup of
[39:25] Speaker 2: a suburb. There's the sub data about the electorates. It's
[39:29] Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. Of course, all of that is based off
[39:32] Speaker 2: one survey. That survey is the one that everyone has
[39:35] Speaker 2: to do in the next couple of days. What is
[39:38] Speaker 2: it about the census that floats your boat as a demographer?
[39:41] Speaker 1: Oh?
[39:42] Speaker 12: Where do I start, Paul, Let's start at the top.
[39:45] Speaker 12: It really is the largest national scale collection that the
[39:49] Speaker 12: ABS undertakes, or anybody else for that matter, that represents
[39:53] Speaker 12: all of our communities in a consistent way, because we
[39:57] Speaker 12: have these consistent questions that are asked, you know, in
[40:00] Speaker 12: every place in Australia, so that we can compare and
[40:03] Speaker 12: contrast and understand patterns within our country, within our communities
[40:07] Speaker 12: and within our suburbs.
[40:08] Speaker 2: Also, I mean the fact that this is done in
[40:10] Speaker 2: a regular time interval means that the period of time
[40:14] Speaker 2: is measurable five years to five years, to five years
[40:16] Speaker 2: to five years, and it goes a very long way back. Now,
[40:19] Speaker 2: can I just ask you a couple of questions that
[40:21] Speaker 2: I know you're going to know instantly, But people have
[40:24] Speaker 2: asked me over the past couple of days, all right,
[40:27] Speaker 2: which is why do you have to.
[40:30] Speaker 1: Answer every question when it comes to the senses? Okay?
[40:35] Speaker 12: So this is so that we have as much information
[40:37] Speaker 12: as possible available to us. There are now you might
[40:40] Speaker 12: have me here, Paul, but there are one or two
[40:42] Speaker 12: that you don't have to answer, and you've got me
[40:45] Speaker 12: on the hop about which one. But yeah, there's one
[40:47] Speaker 12: or two that you don't. I think it's the income one, yep.
[40:51] Speaker 12: But others will be able to check on that.
[40:53] Speaker 2: So and inevitably there are people who will say, well,
[40:55] Speaker 2: hang on, why do I get asked about my religion
[40:58] Speaker 2: or lack of why do I get asked about gender?
[41:02] Speaker 2: And all of the increasing versions of that question that
[41:06] Speaker 2: have come about? Again put simply, for some people, they say,
[41:09] Speaker 2: this is very private things. Why do they have to
[41:12] Speaker 2: share them or why is it important that we know
[41:15] Speaker 2: the answer to those questions.
[41:17] Speaker 12: Yeah, look, Paul, these are private matters for people, obviously,
[41:20] Speaker 12: But what happens to the information is that it gets
[41:22] Speaker 12: all aggregated up so that you yourself can't be identified.
[41:27] Speaker 12: And what it does by everybody answering every question is
[41:30] Speaker 12: it provides that rich level of detail and it enables
[41:33] Speaker 12: certain communities in our populations to be actually visible and
[41:37] Speaker 12: to be seen. So, for example, from the census, we
[41:41] Speaker 12: know the rate of homelessness in particular areas in Australia
[41:45] Speaker 12: and we can devise services and policies around that. We
[41:48] Speaker 12: know who's got long term illnesses and where they might be,
[41:51] Speaker 12: clusters of certain things happening. And you mentioned the religion question,
[41:55] Speaker 12: Well that's an interesting one in itself, with our diversity
[41:59] Speaker 12: of origin becoming increasingly diverse, and also of religious faith too, I.
[42:06] Speaker 2: Mean something that again is really important for people to
[42:09] Speaker 2: understand here, And I'm not saying that in a patronizing way.
[42:12] Speaker 1: I'm saying it in a why does this matter? Why
[42:14] Speaker 1: does all of this detail matter? Because you want if
[42:17] Speaker 1: there is a particular cluster.
[42:19] Speaker 2: Of people of a certain age that the facilities in
[42:22] Speaker 2: your suburb.
[42:23] Speaker 1: Match the people of that particular age.
[42:25] Speaker 2: So say in the past five years, if there's been
[42:27] Speaker 2: a giant baby boom, well guess what you need childcare centers,
[42:30] Speaker 2: you want primary schools.
[42:31] Speaker 1: If there's a whole bunch of people that have now started.
[42:33] Speaker 2: To move into a period of time where they need
[42:36] Speaker 2: more care, well more age care needs to be made available.
[42:40] Speaker 2: If there has been an explosion of housing that's happened,
[42:43] Speaker 2: well yeah, a hospital has to be built there. These
[42:46] Speaker 2: are the basics where in the same way, when we vote,
[42:49] Speaker 2: while our individual choice does not determine the collective group
[42:54] Speaker 2: of where we end up, that's why we need to know.
[42:58] Speaker 12: I'm not sure I could have put it better, Paul,
[43:00] Speaker 12: So you're right. Census data forms the basis for brillions
[43:05] Speaker 12: of dollars of investment decisions by the private sector, by government,
[43:10] Speaker 12: and by community organizations around all of those things that
[43:13] Speaker 12: you've mentioned, and of course many more. And so we
[43:16] Speaker 12: want investments to be made in the right place, We
[43:18] Speaker 12: want services to be in the right place, we want
[43:20] Speaker 12: infrastructure to be in the right place, and so yeah, exactly,
[43:25] Speaker 12: Census data is used not only in understanding where those
[43:27] Speaker 12: needs are, but projecting forward as well to think about
[43:32] Speaker 12: where we should invest for the future.
[43:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, occasionally there are questions, and even when we were
[43:37] Speaker 2: filling it out over the weekend, you start to go like,
[43:40] Speaker 2: you don't really you have.
[43:41] Speaker 1: To stop and think about it.
[43:43] Speaker 2: Like when you have a look at that question about
[43:45] Speaker 2: if there are dependent kids in the house, you know
[43:47] Speaker 2: how much time is spent caring for them or how
[43:49] Speaker 2: much time is done with chores.
[43:51] Speaker 1: And I know that there's again a way to slice
[43:54] Speaker 1: this data to work out.
[43:55] Speaker 2: Whether it is men or women that are doing more
[43:57] Speaker 2: or less indoors, outdoors, all the rest of it. But
[44:00] Speaker 2: in terms of that national picture, it makes perfect sense
[44:02] Speaker 2: to me why all of that infrastructure is there. But
[44:05] Speaker 2: what exactly would be the benefit of trying to work
[44:08] Speaker 2: out whether I do more housework or my wife does
[44:12] Speaker 2: more housework.
[44:13] Speaker 12: Yeah, I guess the census reflects as well as who
[44:17] Speaker 12: we are now. It reflects who we are we're in
[44:19] Speaker 12: the past and who we are now. So in that respect,
[44:23] Speaker 12: the questions in the senses have evolved and changed in
[44:26] Speaker 12: line with sort of societal norms and needs, and so
[44:29] Speaker 12: the question about the relative balance of care in the
[44:33] Speaker 12: home and housework and so on has come from a
[44:38] Speaker 12: desire within the community. Keeping in mind the census questions,
[44:42] Speaker 12: every time you change one or had one, it costs
[44:44] Speaker 12: millions of dollars. So they're not just put there flippantly.
[44:47] Speaker 12: They're there because society has kind of requested it to
[44:51] Speaker 12: be there, and that's the nature of those questions around
[44:55] Speaker 12: care in the home for children and around jobs around
[44:58] Speaker 12: the home all right.
[45:00] Speaker 11: Now.
[45:00] Speaker 2: Of course, in the olden days it always was done
[45:02] Speaker 2: on paper. That still is a chance for some. Most
[45:04] Speaker 2: will do it online. Can't believe it's ten years since
[45:07] Speaker 2: the big bugger up when they did it the first
[45:10] Speaker 2: time online. But that system is all pretty much in
[45:12] Speaker 2: place now. Given how incredible computing is now, the deep
[45:16] Speaker 2: thinking and all the rest of it, how long before
[45:18] Speaker 2: we're able to get a picture of twenty eight million
[45:20] Speaker 2: versions of Australia.
[45:23] Speaker 12: The first lot of data will be released in June
[45:26] Speaker 12: next year, and that is record processing time. And as
[45:30] Speaker 12: you mentioned, the online completions help in the processing because
[45:34] Speaker 12: the answers are already in data format essentially. And the
[45:39] Speaker 12: other thing about the online way of doing it is
[45:41] Speaker 12: it sort of prompts you to what questions you need
[45:43] Speaker 12: to ask and make sure that you've filled them out fully,
[45:46] Speaker 12: so it helps you in that respect. And I think
[45:48] Speaker 12: about eighty five percent of Australians this time around will
[45:52] Speaker 12: complete the census form online, so a big response online
[45:57] Speaker 12: this time around.
[45:58] Speaker 1: Well, happy census.
[46:00] Speaker 2: May all be quiet in your house, and may tomorrow
[46:02] Speaker 2: be an exciting day as you hear the key strokes
[46:05] Speaker 2: of a country, as we all tell everyone what's going
[46:08] Speaker 2: on in our world.
[46:09] Speaker 1: What a job you've got.
[46:10] Speaker 2: I look forward to talking to you when we get
[46:11] Speaker 2: more info or plenty other topics between now and then.
[46:14] Speaker 2: Thank you, professor, Thank you, good stuff, fascinating stuff.
[46:19] Speaker 1: Okay, do the.
[46:20] Speaker 2: Senses you can do it literally, now do it tonight.
[46:23] Speaker 2: You absolutely have to have it done before you go
[46:25] Speaker 2: to bed tomorrow night or fine, start to kick in place.
[46:28] Speaker 2: More details on the ABS's website and a telephone number
[46:32] Speaker 2: which is now at the bottom of the screen. More
[46:34] Speaker 2: in a moment here on Palmriray. Life in my hot
[46:42] Speaker 2: little hand is another example of the frustration that we
[46:45] Speaker 2: all feel each and every night. And this is the
[46:47] Speaker 2: way I decided to tuck you in. But still it's
[46:49] Speaker 2: to keep you motivated. We all pay too much tax,
[46:52] Speaker 2: they get paid too much money and we pay for
[46:54] Speaker 2: people to make them social media videos like this.
[46:58] Speaker 1: Oh it's our old mate Cara Cork in Queensland.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Wow again, imagine imagine you're sitting around the office.
[47:14] Speaker 1: Oh what can we do today? You know the most
[47:16] Speaker 1: interesting thing about Camber you? You are you? It's so
[47:21] Speaker 1: baby the stuff Larissa Water is speaking of the Greens
[47:25] Speaker 1: leader again. You know, imagine working in the office. Oh
[47:38] Speaker 1: do you leader? Do you leader? What's a new way
[47:41] Speaker 1: that I can film you today? Just sit there drinking
[47:44] Speaker 1: a tea. People will love this and they'll love to
[47:47] Speaker 1: read that essay.
[47:49] Speaker 2: He's the man who now represents the same set that
[47:52] Speaker 2: John Howard did in the Federal Parliament.
[47:55] Speaker 1: Maddy care you.
[48:08] Speaker 2: We're going to be in Maryborough in Queensland in a
[48:11] Speaker 2: couple of weeks time. That is where we're going to
[48:12] Speaker 2: be for ourtown. If you would like to join us,
[48:14] Speaker 2: you know what to do. You send us an email.
[48:15] Speaker 2: You do it right now, Sunday, the twenty third of August.
[48:18] Speaker 2: I love Queensland, I love Regional Queensland. We will be
[48:21] Speaker 2: celebrating at like none others. Be there in the audience.
[48:24] Speaker 2: You simply send an email right now our town at
[48:27] Speaker 2: News twenty four dot com dot are you ourtown at
[48:30] Speaker 2: news twenty four dot com dot au. By the way,
[48:33] Speaker 2: when you're at that website of news twenty four dot
[48:35] Speaker 2: com dot are you get all the highlights of this
[48:37] Speaker 2: program and lots of others, and do the most annoying
[48:39] Speaker 1: You think thing to a lefty share the content is
[48:42] Speaker 1: late debate

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