# Paul Murray Live | 20 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 20 Aug 2026, 49 min.

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18-year-old Lily Hooper sadly found dead after an eight-day search, national debt ticks over $1 trillion under the Albanese government. Plus, the unemployment rate hits post-COVID high at 4.5 per cent. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray. Live Gooday, everyone, welcome to the
[0:07] Speaker 1: man Cave. Before we get into anything else tonight, Strength
[0:11] Speaker 1: and love to the Hooper family out of Sydney. Lily Hooper,
[0:15] Speaker 1: as you know, is the eighteen year old who went
[0:18] Speaker 1: hiking and who has been confirmed today to have died. Now,
[0:24] Speaker 1: I know you've heard a lot of the coverage today,
[0:26] Speaker 1: so I'm not going to replay all of the different elements,
[0:30] Speaker 1: including the miscommunication stuff. But here is the police confirming
[0:36] Speaker 1: the worst news that certainly her family had feared and
[0:39] Speaker 1: everyone who paid attention to this story was afraid of.
[0:43] Speaker 2: They were informed that initial the initial information that the
[0:50] Speaker 2: searchers believed that she was alive, and that's what was communicated. Well,
[0:54] Speaker 2: like I said, within the eight to ten minutes, we
[0:56] Speaker 2: were able to give them an update which was a
[0:58] Speaker 2: more accurate account of that discovery the person who believed
[1:02] Speaker 2: to be Lily.
[1:04] Speaker 1: Now, the obvious here is no one can get their
[1:07] Speaker 1: head around this. No one can get around the fear
[1:10] Speaker 1: and the heartbreak that would exist. And to everyone who's
[1:14] Speaker 1: got kids, either this age, a little old or a
[1:17] Speaker 1: little younger, it's just frightening. There's going to be very,
[1:21] Speaker 1: very tough times in the early days and weeks and
[1:25] Speaker 1: then months and years to come and forever, we offer
[1:30] Speaker 1: their support. Whatever we can and will do as a community,
[1:34] Speaker 1: to offer their support, to do something in her name
[1:36] Speaker 1: when all of that comes up, or make sure that
[1:38] Speaker 1: we've done it. I am disappointed in some elements of
[1:42] Speaker 1: the media who quite unnecessarily focused on that time where
[1:49] Speaker 1: there was hope and there was the false hope. Why
[1:52] Speaker 1: compound that by reshowing people again? Heins? Why I'm avoiding it,
[1:57] Speaker 1: but as always a reminder to us, no matter who
[2:00] Speaker 1: you love, tell them that you love them, no matter
[2:03] Speaker 1: who you know, give them a hug, because you just
[2:06] Speaker 1: never know, You truly never know. But for it to
[2:09] Speaker 1: be a kid, to be your kid, well, of course
[2:11] Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. So to the hoop of family strength and
[2:13] Speaker 1: love from all of us here at News twenty four,
[2:16] Speaker 1: all of us around the country, and today Parliament rose
[2:20] Speaker 1: in her honor as.
[2:22] Speaker 3: A market perspective for the tragic cloths of belief if arthfall,
[2:25] Speaker 3: to rise of their places.
[2:37] Speaker 1: I think the house our thoughts is always with everyone
[2:41] Speaker 1: whose heart is heavy at any time, for any and
[2:44] Speaker 1: every reason. All right, why you've come here, what you
[2:47] Speaker 1: expect a good chat about what's been happening when it
[2:49] Speaker 1: comes to the news or the news today is unfortunate,
[2:53] Speaker 1: it is record, it is terrible news in terms of
[2:56] Speaker 1: the future of our country. The two people who have
[2:59] Speaker 1: had stewardship over our economy for the past four years,
[3:01] Speaker 1: who in part were able to become Prime Minister and
[3:03] Speaker 1: Treasurer because they claimed the previous political party had had
[3:07] Speaker 1: too much debt, well, guess what happened today. Australia's gross
[3:11] Speaker 1: debt ticked over one trillion dollars today.
[3:14] Speaker 4: A trillion dollars Angie, that's twelve zero is quite a sum.
[3:18] Speaker 5: National debt will reach one at trillion dollars for the
[3:20] Speaker 5: first time.
[3:22] Speaker 1: What I find amazing about this, Yeah the numbers. Yeah,
[3:26] Speaker 1: the number is big. The consequences of the number is
[3:29] Speaker 1: even bigger. As I've explained before about why debt matters
[3:35] Speaker 1: is that when you have none, then you can use
[3:37] Speaker 1: every dollar that comes in on everything else. As the
[3:40] Speaker 1: debt grows, you need to start putting a lot more
[3:44] Speaker 1: money in to pay the debt. And when the debt
[3:47] Speaker 1: becomes as gargantuoun as this, then you're only paying very
[3:49] Speaker 1: very very small fractions of it each and every year.
[3:52] Speaker 1: But the size of that bill in the budget goes
[3:56] Speaker 1: from something right at the bottom all the way up
[3:58] Speaker 1: to where it is in Victoria, where it's in the
[3:59] Speaker 1: top ten, in the top five of all of the
[4:01] Speaker 1: things that the state and thus federal government does. For
[4:06] Speaker 1: their part, the Opposition, who of course were punished for
[4:09] Speaker 1: getting near a trillion, will then they get to point
[4:11] Speaker 1: at the other guys and say, well, they're the ones
[4:13] Speaker 1: responsible because it happened on their watch.
[4:17] Speaker 6: If you feel.
[4:18] Speaker 7: Poorer today, then you did four years ago. There's a
[4:20] Speaker 7: good reason for that.
[4:21] Speaker 8: You are poorer.
[4:23] Speaker 7: This is Labour's economy.
[4:25] Speaker 1: Higher rents, higher interest rates.
[4:28] Speaker 4: Real wages going backwards and as of today are trillion
[4:31] Speaker 4: dollars in debt.
[4:34] Speaker 9: Now.
[4:34] Speaker 1: Of course, the Treasurer, who is never responsible for the
[4:38] Speaker 1: Australian economy when it's bad news and then it's all
[4:40] Speaker 1: his doing. If there's any good news, well he of
[4:43] Speaker 1: course had to go for the political jugular today despite
[4:45] Speaker 1: the fact that they haven't been in government for four months.
[4:48] Speaker 1: They've been in government now for more than four years.
[4:52] Speaker 5: Most of the trillion dollars of debt in Australia's budget
[4:55] Speaker 5: was racked up by those opposites.
[4:57] Speaker 7: Most of the gross.
[4:58] Speaker 5: Debt in the budget is liberal, then, mister speaker.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Oka history lesson time, doctor. The debt when Kevin Rudd
[5:08] Speaker 1: became Prime Minister and Wayne Swan became Treasurer and you
[5:12] Speaker 1: were working for Wayne Swan was zero dollars We had
[5:17] Speaker 1: paid the debt off. Then the global financial crisis was
[5:20] Speaker 1: apparently the reason why we had to rack up huge
[5:23] Speaker 1: deficits and hundreds of billions of dollars worth of debt,
[5:27] Speaker 1: And then of course twenty thirteen that it was considered
[5:30] Speaker 1: such a problem when it was just a fraction of
[5:32] Speaker 1: what it currently is, that it was enough of a
[5:34] Speaker 1: reason to get rid of Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and Rudd. Again.
[5:41] Speaker 1: There was an attempt to fix the structural problem in
[5:45] Speaker 1: our budget, which was a government that spends more than
[5:49] Speaker 1: it takes. But of course the sky fell in because
[5:52] Speaker 1: in part the Labor Party who had racked up the
[5:55] Speaker 1: debt was now carrying on about any attempt to pull
[5:58] Speaker 1: back budget restraint, to pull back budgetary spending, which meant
[6:04] Speaker 1: we were locked into a political reality that Australians were
[6:08] Speaker 1: kind of fine with more deficits than balance budgets, let
[6:13] Speaker 1: alone surpluses. Because of course, if you do anything to
[6:16] Speaker 1: cut back on a dollar of government spending, what do
[6:19] Speaker 1: they refer to it as? What's that C word? They
[6:22] Speaker 1: love to say. His cuts to Medicare will make our
[6:30] Speaker 1: health system more like America. His job cuts will destroy
[6:33] Speaker 1: public services. He cuts you pay.
[6:36] Speaker 10: A coalition led by Peter Dutton that wants to cut
[6:39] Speaker 10: everything except for your taxes, A coalition that will cut
[6:44] Speaker 10: Medicare as sure as night follows day because they've got
[6:47] Speaker 10: to find six hundred billion dollars.
[6:49] Speaker 5: Peter Dunton has to find six hundred billion dollars for
[6:52] Speaker 5: his nuclear actors. He will cut Medicare to pay for
[6:55] Speaker 5: nuclear reactors. It's very clear, and that's why he hasn't
[6:58] Speaker 5: come clean on the seat. One hundred billion dollars in
[7:01] Speaker 5: cuts the he will need to find please.
[7:05] Speaker 1: And of course, so there was that small the global pandemic,
[7:08] Speaker 1: which of course added hundreds of billions of dollars to
[7:11] Speaker 1: the debt, which yes, got us on the way towards
[7:13] Speaker 1: a trillion. And remember the Labor Party as the opposition,
[7:16] Speaker 1: wanted to spend even more. They wanted us to use
[7:19] Speaker 1: billings that was to buy a freaking airline. But they
[7:22] Speaker 1: assume you don't remember, you don't pay attention. The great
[7:25] Speaker 1: difference between Australia are those who pay attention versus don't
[7:27] Speaker 1: pay attention. So again, there is a problem with debt.
[7:32] Speaker 1: It has been across both parties. It has been a
[7:35] Speaker 1: nature of our politics because anyone who attempts to balance
[7:40] Speaker 1: the budget, anyone who tries to get surplus, meaning more
[7:44] Speaker 1: money than the government is spending, and the money that's
[7:46] Speaker 1: left over can go to paying off the trillions of
[7:48] Speaker 1: dollars of debt. Well, of course all of the hate
[7:52] Speaker 1: and horror stories start the fall, unless, of course it's
[7:56] Speaker 1: the government of the day. That's the Labor Party, the
[7:59] Speaker 1: same people who would bitch, moon, scream and lie about
[8:02] Speaker 1: any attempts to pay off a trillion dollars worth of
[8:05] Speaker 1: debt by not having deficits forever. But of course, what's
[8:10] Speaker 1: the word they use. No, no, it's not a C word.
[8:13] Speaker 1: It's an S word.
[8:15] Speaker 10: Savings, savings, saving savings, savings, saving, saving, saving, savings.
[8:21] Speaker 1: And the media reported such as that the Veederal Buttons
[8:24] Speaker 1: Squad's got sixty four billion dollars in savings, the Pedidar
[8:29] Speaker 1: and six hundred number was made up. It was made up.
[8:32] Speaker 1: It was over x many sites, over why many years?
[8:34] Speaker 1: But who cares? And again the reality of a tax
[8:38] Speaker 1: cut where you notice that every week and every month,
[8:40] Speaker 1: the reality of spending, well, you can make it seem
[8:43] Speaker 1: quite gargantio. And if you calculated over five years, ten years,
[8:46] Speaker 1: twenty years, the cumulative effect of this sort of low
[8:50] Speaker 1: rent politics that we are now addicted to is debt
[8:53] Speaker 1: that will cost us more because if we promise we're
[9:00] Speaker 1: going to spend eleven dollars for every ten that comes
[9:03] Speaker 1: in on top of the ten that we've already borrowed,
[9:07] Speaker 1: Eventually you keep having to borrow more money to spend
[9:12] Speaker 1: is paying a credit card. With the credit card all
[9:14] Speaker 1: you have to increase taxes like they did when it
[9:16] Speaker 1: comes to housing, Remember that decision wasn't about getting first
[9:19] Speaker 1: home buyers into a house. If so, you do something
[9:22] Speaker 1: about helping them to get the deposit to get into
[9:25] Speaker 1: a house. No, that was just tens of billions of dollars,
[9:29] Speaker 1: which we're all about the government raking money back in
[9:32] Speaker 1: not to pay off the credit card bill, but just
[9:34] Speaker 1: to keep promising more and more. Because this is the
[9:37] Speaker 1: politics we're addicted to the reality of the problem with
[9:41] Speaker 1: the trillion dollars debt is a structural deficit in the
[9:45] Speaker 1: budget that means there are budget deficits for the next
[9:48] Speaker 1: ten years. These generational reporters I told you are trillion
[9:52] Speaker 1: times that garbage. It keeps going and going and going
[9:57] Speaker 1: to the twenty sixties, where every single the budget deficit
[10:00] Speaker 1: is added to the previous, added to the previous, and
[10:02] Speaker 1: the trillion dollars today becomes one and a half and
[10:05] Speaker 1: eventually two. The theory, of course, of the left is
[10:07] Speaker 1: mudern monetary theory means nobody's ever going to call in
[10:10] Speaker 1: the bill. But the point is, you do have to
[10:12] Speaker 1: pay the bill. Not a billion dollars, not a trillion
[10:14] Speaker 1: dollars at once, not two trillion dollars at once, but
[10:18] Speaker 1: paying it off becomes a dozen billion dollars, then it's
[10:22] Speaker 1: tens of biediings, Then it becomes hundreds ofbedions. Do you
[10:25] Speaker 1: get the point? There is nowhere in the world where
[10:29] Speaker 1: there is such a thing as free money. The consequences
[10:32] Speaker 1: are obvious, But do we expect the politics to change
[10:35] Speaker 1: that the people who want to do anything about the
[10:37] Speaker 1: budget will be rewarded for wanting to do anything about
[10:40] Speaker 1: the budget. Here's the hammer. No, because previous generations who
[10:46] Speaker 1: did not live a life of any debt have sadly gone.
[10:54] Speaker 1: The people who are still amongst us who are from
[10:56] Speaker 1: that generation, well, of course they are appalled by what's happen.
[11:02] Speaker 1: But their grandkids and great grandkids, who live in a
[11:04] Speaker 1: world of buy now, pay later, racking up debt for
[11:08] Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want, Well, they're living their lives
[11:13] Speaker 1: beyond their means, as if they care if the government does.
[11:18] Speaker 1: And supposedly we're doing everything when it comes to the
[11:20] Speaker 1: housing market for the next generation, But what about debt
[11:23] Speaker 1: for the next generation. We're doing everything about climate change
[11:27] Speaker 1: because of the next generation, Well what about debt and
[11:29] Speaker 1: the next generation? Oh that's right, who cares hold on
[11:32] Speaker 1: to power? Demonize anyone who wants to reverse this as
[11:37] Speaker 1: being some sort of a nutter who wants more homeless
[11:40] Speaker 1: people in Australia. It's just not true. And even when
[11:44] Speaker 1: this government is addicted to this cycle of spending because
[11:47] Speaker 1: they have now trained an electorate who now demand it
[11:50] Speaker 1: from our politicians, have they found that extra billion dollars
[11:56] Speaker 1: to pay for the charities to help the people that
[11:58] Speaker 1: are truly struggling. Of course, not nothing to see here,
[12:01] Speaker 1: because the game is only one game, and that's to
[12:04] Speaker 1: stay in power. Because if you stay in power, you
[12:06] Speaker 1: can cement yourself in power. If you cement yourself in power,
[12:09] Speaker 1: then everyone keeps turning to you as the king and
[12:13] Speaker 1: queen of the castle. We're in trouble Australia, but it's
[12:17] Speaker 1: up to us to get ourselves out, because that bloke
[12:20] Speaker 1: sitting pretty while it gets worse. And an example of that.
[12:25] Speaker 1: In the real world, of course, there are millions of
[12:27] Speaker 1: people who work, have to work too hard. There are
[12:30] Speaker 1: almost a million people who, as we've shown you before,
[12:33] Speaker 1: are under employed. There's about half of all people working
[12:36] Speaker 1: part time or casual who want to go full time
[12:38] Speaker 1: because it's expensive. It's expensive to do everything from fill
[12:42] Speaker 1: your car oh that's right, fifty two cents a liter
[12:45] Speaker 1: tax through to paying your power bill, oh that's right.
[12:50] Speaker 1: Are trillion dollars in going from one system to another
[12:52] Speaker 1: system for one percent of the world's problem, while China
[12:56] Speaker 1: just gets to laugh along while they add to the
[12:59] Speaker 1: problem with thirty percent of the world's pollution. But we
[13:02] Speaker 1: pay them to come up with the slave labor built
[13:04] Speaker 1: technologies to save Australia, but who cares. There's lots of
[13:07] Speaker 1: money to be made there, so look the other way.
[13:10] Speaker 1: The expenses of the moment of paying off a house,
[13:12] Speaker 1: when it comes to renting, when it comes to paying
[13:14] Speaker 1: off a joint, well you all know. So I thought
[13:18] Speaker 1: that we should mention that not just that the unemployment
[13:21] Speaker 1: rate is up to four and a half percent, but
[13:23] Speaker 1: there are human beings behind the numbers. Fifteen thou eight
[13:27] Speaker 1: hundred people lost their job full time or part time.
[13:29] Speaker 1: Fifteen thousand, eight hundred people lost their job in July.
[13:34] Speaker 1: This is at a time when it is so hard
[13:36] Speaker 1: to pay for everything. People who may well have been
[13:40] Speaker 1: in that cohort that we have been talking about where
[13:46] Speaker 1: the interest rates go up, but potentially the worth of
[13:48] Speaker 1: the property has started to go down. And if you
[13:50] Speaker 1: lose your job, the distance between there and that, if
[13:52] Speaker 1: you don't have any savings, becomes a huge problem. That's
[13:56] Speaker 1: why we've talked about it, and some of those fifteen
[14:00] Speaker 1: and eight hundred people are in that exact position tonight.
[14:05] Speaker 1: And don't I have no idea whether this number of
[14:08] Speaker 1: unemployment helps or hurts when it comes to the Reserve Bank. Literally,
[14:11] Speaker 1: I read a dozen articles about this today, and as
[14:15] Speaker 1: news dot Com that you reported, it's sort of fifty
[14:17] Speaker 1: to fifty. Some will say that this is a reason
[14:19] Speaker 1: to some will say it's a reason to increase. But
[14:23] Speaker 1: of course, for our political class, what are they care
[14:26] Speaker 1: Because it's other people's money, right, they get paid, they're
[14:28] Speaker 1: completely insulated, they've never worked in the private sector. As
[14:33] Speaker 1: I mentioned before, their little system of demonized everyone who
[14:35] Speaker 1: wants to balance the books means they can remain as
[14:40] Speaker 1: powerful as ever, and it's just this raw power struggle
[14:44] Speaker 1: where normal people get screwed over. Well, another example about
[14:48] Speaker 1: other people's money, right, are the people who are the
[14:51] Speaker 1: most protected class of this government and of its establishment,
[14:56] Speaker 1: which is the people who work for the government. Because
[14:58] Speaker 1: remember the train of dependence. The more people who work
[15:02] Speaker 1: for the government become dependent on the government, will vote
[15:05] Speaker 1: for what they consider to be the party of government.
[15:07] Speaker 1: The people that will never reduce the public service. The
[15:10] Speaker 1: people who receive welfare from the government will not vote
[15:15] Speaker 1: against the government because the government is the one that
[15:17] Speaker 1: will increase the welfare. And the business people whose biggest
[15:21] Speaker 1: client is the government, well, of course they won't vote
[15:24] Speaker 1: to change the government. See the triangle of dependence. Well,
[15:28] Speaker 1: let's focus in on a little one over here, and
[15:30] Speaker 1: that of course is the public service, where just a
[15:33] Speaker 1: small example about how they spend other people's money. Apparently
[15:38] Speaker 1: they've just inadvertently been using credit cards, using taxpayer money
[15:44] Speaker 1: to buy for things like eating out or calling it in.
[15:48] Speaker 1: Public servants have had to hand back thousands of dollars
[15:51] Speaker 1: in inadvertent personal charges. Inadvertent. I'm pretty sure when I
[15:56] Speaker 1: go to the app and I ordered this, that and
[15:58] Speaker 1: the other, I know exactly what the credit card is
[16:00] Speaker 1: that I'm double tapping on, or the debit card, including
[16:04] Speaker 1: on food delivery orders. The Home Affairs Department employees will
[16:10] Speaker 1: repay were required to pay four hundred and seventy seven
[16:14] Speaker 1: purchases worth twenty eight thousand dollars public service to the
[16:19] Speaker 1: Department of Foreign Afairs and Trade one hundred and fifty
[16:21] Speaker 1: one thousand dollars. I just didn't know, why couldn't you
[16:25] Speaker 1: don't credit gold? And then when it comes to the
[16:30] Speaker 1: politicians themselves, I mean the ones who really tighten the bell,
[16:33] Speaker 1: not at all, of course, because I find that the wrength,
[16:36] Speaker 1: I find that their walth are the wrwth. They are
[16:37] Speaker 1: allowed to do whatever a bunt here, we see you,
[16:41] Speaker 1: Minister for freebies. Family reunion travel is under scrutiny as
[16:45] Speaker 1: new analysis shows the federal MP's and senators spent one
[16:48] Speaker 1: point one million dollars on flying and driving. Not them,
[16:52] Speaker 1: not their stuff, but they loved ones to Canberra and
[16:56] Speaker 1: around Australia a million bucks so they can be close
[16:58] Speaker 1: to the ones they love. Because it's very difficult to
[17:00] Speaker 1: be a politician these days. Seriously, they just take the
[17:06] Speaker 1: proverbial and you know, I'd love to use the big word,
[17:09] Speaker 1: but I can't do the meeting. Seriously. I mean again,
[17:15] Speaker 1: do you pay attention? Do you not pay attention? It's
[17:17] Speaker 1: not about left and right anymore. If you pay attention,
[17:19] Speaker 1: then you get really angry. Hence why people like Hughesy
[17:23] Speaker 1: have gone through the conversion that they have had, like
[17:26] Speaker 1: hopefully many other people have. But we've got a lot
[17:29] Speaker 1: more people that need to get there. And again, it's
[17:31] Speaker 1: not about right and left, it's about it does anything
[17:34] Speaker 1: anywhere right? Can you imagine what would happen at your
[17:37] Speaker 1: work if you inadvertently use the corporate credit card to
[17:40] Speaker 1: rack up one hundred thousand dollars worth of stuff for them? Oh? Sorry, please,
[17:48] Speaker 1: it's a bit more on the swan's mess. Yeah, I know,
[17:50] Speaker 1: but still you all know the story, right the five
[17:54] Speaker 1: players one of particular focus. You know about the hotel
[17:58] Speaker 1: room Monday morning. A little more to the story. This
[18:01] Speaker 1: one comes from Chris Reason, who rang the agency that
[18:05] Speaker 1: provided the women to join them in the early hours
[18:09] Speaker 1: of Monday morning. And things are getting unnecessarily scary now.
[18:14] Speaker 1: And I don't say that because the people are scared,
[18:16] Speaker 1: but someone is scaring them.
[18:18] Speaker 11: Yeah, hi is that Melbourne party Girls. Today's seven News
[18:21] Speaker 11: contacted the woman who took the booking from the players
[18:24] Speaker 11: Monday morning from Party Girls Melbourne. She asked to stay anonymous,
[18:27] Speaker 11: but says she and the exotic dancer at the center
[18:30] Speaker 11: of the sex assault allegations have been identified online.
[18:34] Speaker 7: Have you reached out to her?
[18:35] Speaker 11: She okay, I mean, I'm just worried about a mental
[18:37] Speaker 11: health about the impact on her.
[18:39] Speaker 7: She told us.
[18:40] Speaker 11: They're now worried about retribution and fear for their lives.
[18:44] Speaker 7: I'm so scared.
[18:45] Speaker 11: This is so dangerous for our safety, she said.
[18:48] Speaker 1: It's terrible. Right. There's a whole question about whether or
[18:51] Speaker 1: not you should identify it anyway, but you get the point.
[18:55] Speaker 1: Another bit of detail here, and again this is not
[18:57] Speaker 1: confirmed by police. It is just reported by a Channel seven.
[19:01] Speaker 1: They seem to have been correct over the past couple
[19:03] Speaker 1: of nights. So let's follow their trail here about more
[19:05] Speaker 1: information about what happened that got all of this into
[19:08] Speaker 1: the headlines this week.
[19:10] Speaker 11: You unconfirmed report surface that the incident that sparked the
[19:13] Speaker 11: sex assault complaint was a slap on the backside.
[19:18] Speaker 1: All right, unconfirmed, but still there we are. That's what
[19:20] Speaker 1: we see. So let us start to do something slightly
[19:24] Speaker 1: dangerous which used to get into the gray area of
[19:27] Speaker 1: the story. Anyone who's been paying attention to everything I've
[19:30] Speaker 1: said this week is very clear that it is the
[19:33] Speaker 1: women who matter, not the effect on the football team.
[19:37] Speaker 1: But there has been today in particular, another twist in
[19:42] Speaker 1: the way people are sort of trying to involve themselves
[19:45] Speaker 1: in a situation that doesn't actually involve them. Now, obviously sponsors,
[19:51] Speaker 1: some of them have started to walk away, don't want
[19:53] Speaker 1: to be associated with the club at this particular time. Well, okay,
[20:00] Speaker 1: but it wasn't officially the policy of the Swans that
[20:06] Speaker 1: people were allowed to do what they did. In fact,
[20:09] Speaker 1: they're being punished because they are on the exact wrong
[20:11] Speaker 1: side of the policy. But still people brand don't want
[20:14] Speaker 1: to be associated, that's their business. Then there's a whole
[20:18] Speaker 1: bunch of fans who somehow have made it about themselves,
[20:21] Speaker 1: which is their shame, must also be my shame. Again,
[20:25] Speaker 1: I'm completely with you about the reality of this year.
[20:28] Speaker 1: But in the same way you don't get to say
[20:32] Speaker 1: we won the championship. We won the flag. No, no, they
[20:36] Speaker 1: won the flag. The shame is their shame, that being
[20:39] Speaker 1: the players that are involved in all of it. I've
[20:43] Speaker 1: been a Swan's member for twenty years and writing this
[20:45] Speaker 1: piece makes me feel uneasy. Can I just say for
[20:50] Speaker 1: those that are not going to turn up to the
[20:53] Speaker 1: ground if you're in Sydney this weekend, or not going
[20:57] Speaker 1: to burn the jerseys and throw back the guernsey all
[20:59] Speaker 1: the red it right. You're punishing the players who did
[21:03] Speaker 1: the right thing last weekend, the ones who didn't stay
[21:06] Speaker 1: out laid, the ones who didn't do the wrong thing,
[21:07] Speaker 1: the ones who aren't calling the party girls line. The
[21:12] Speaker 1: reality is for that football team that you loved on
[21:15] Speaker 1: Sunday to be able to even exist, it needs to
[21:18] Speaker 1: have corporate support, It needs to have fan support, now,
[21:22] Speaker 1: does this mean that we're all looking the other way
[21:24] Speaker 1: and pretending that the alleged assault doesn't matter. No, I repeat,
[21:28] Speaker 1: I have said it plenty of times and I mean
[21:30] Speaker 1: it from the bottom of my heart. But also those
[21:34] Speaker 1: people that have made it about them. It's not about you.
[21:39] Speaker 1: It is about what has happened. Yes to the club,
[21:43] Speaker 1: specifically to five players. Focus on one so with sanctimony,
[21:48] Speaker 1: I understand it, but don't punish the rest of the
[21:51] Speaker 1: team who did the right thing. I look forward to
[21:55] Speaker 1: the complaints because inevitably that is more an easier target
[21:58] Speaker 1: than talking about thing. I actually just said, all right,
[22:02] Speaker 1: let's talk about the one trillion dollars when it comes
[22:05] Speaker 1: to the debt that has now been past and timulsoness
[22:08] Speaker 1: the shadow treasurer, he joins us. Right now, Tim, nice
[22:11] Speaker 1: to see you. I'm sorry we're here where we finally
[22:14] Speaker 1: go over the trillion dollars. But can we just be
[22:16] Speaker 1: very clear about what I mentioned a couple of minutes ago, right, oh,
[22:20] Speaker 1: all of it's liberal debt. Okay. Zero was the number
[22:23] Speaker 1: that Howard and Costello handed off the labor Swan Swan
[22:27] Speaker 1: charmers in his office and rudd end up ringing it up.
[22:32] Speaker 1: Everyone goes nuts after the twenty fourteen budget, which means
[22:35] Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly cut a cent here, there or everywhere.
[22:38] Speaker 1: The pandemic happens where Jim Chalmers wants us to buy
[22:42] Speaker 1: a freaking airline. So yes, it keeps going up. We
[22:46] Speaker 1: now pass a trillion dollars. But apparently it was all
[22:48] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party's fault. What are set of stones on
[22:51] Speaker 1: this guy?
[22:53] Speaker 8: Yes, thankful.
[22:55] Speaker 12: It would seem the extraordinary claims, particularly if you go
[22:58] Speaker 12: back and look at the footage and the arguments for
[23:00] Speaker 12: by labor. They were critical of when the coalition was
[23:03] Speaker 12: actually trying to cut back expenditure in COVID. And you know,
[23:07] Speaker 12: I'm the first to say that I think we spent
[23:09] Speaker 12: a lot of money during that time. Labor want to
[23:10] Speaker 12: spell a heck of a lot more so it would
[23:13] Speaker 12: be a lot worse if they had have had the choice.
[23:15] Speaker 12: But I will clarify one thing for you, Paul. You
[23:18] Speaker 12: said it in two thousand and seven that we had
[23:21] Speaker 12: no debt. Now that is true, but you've got to
[23:23] Speaker 12: remember we were actually saving money at that time. Future
[23:26] Speaker 12: Fund had about fifty billion in the account. Now, Labor,
[23:31] Speaker 12: it's an important part of the conversation with his story
[23:33] Speaker 12: and shows you how full is in that far as
[23:35] Speaker 12: the nation we fall it now, nobody's trying to pretend otherwise.
[23:38] Speaker 8: There was a global financial crisis.
[23:40] Speaker 12: We can debate whether too much money was spent then,
[23:42] Speaker 12: like conspenditure in COVID, but at least there were crises.
[23:46] Speaker 12: The problem is the only crisis now we have is
[23:48] Speaker 12: the Albanese government as it continues to recrue debt, and
[23:52] Speaker 12: of course we've tipped over the one trillion dollar level today.
[23:56] Speaker 1: But also, and again I know this becomes very difficult
[23:59] Speaker 1: because we can have academic conversation about it, but your
[24:02] Speaker 1: words carry weight and inevitably somebody holds up the piece
[24:05] Speaker 1: of paper and quotes back the conversation with that evil
[24:07] Speaker 1: guy on TV at night. But still right, we're in
[24:11] Speaker 1: this scenario where if you had proposed sixty four billion
[24:15] Speaker 1: dollars worth of savings to the budget going into the
[24:18] Speaker 1: next election, the Labor Party will go nuts and refer
[24:21] Speaker 1: to them as cuts. But when they find savings, they're
[24:24] Speaker 1: not cuts. So again, even trying that they've built this
[24:29] Speaker 1: box where to save a dollar here means it's been
[24:33] Speaker 1: cut as opposed to saving a dollar fifty here because
[24:36] Speaker 1: you're O two over there.
[24:39] Speaker 8: That's one hundred percent right.
[24:41] Speaker 12: But there's the conversation around what we need to do
[24:44] Speaker 12: from the cost of taking out of the budget so
[24:46] Speaker 12: we don't keep accruing debt. But as you correctly pointed out,
[24:50] Speaker 12: there's also the lost opportunity. You think about another like
[24:53] Speaker 12: one trillion, and you think about the number of zeros,
[24:56] Speaker 12: and you know, it seems quite distant and something to
[24:59] Speaker 12: grapple with. For every Australian tax payer amounts to seven
[25:02] Speaker 12: hundred and ninety eight.
[25:03] Speaker 8: Visits to the GP.
[25:05] Speaker 12: That is more visits than the overwhelming majority of Australians
[25:09] Speaker 12: will do in their entire lifetime. So your entire primary
[25:13] Speaker 12: care cost is now being sat on the nation's debt
[25:16] Speaker 12: and you're now having to finance and you never got it.
[25:19] Speaker 12: This is the problem with debt. It leads a legacy
[25:22] Speaker 12: for future generations. Today's debt is tomorrow's taxes, but even
[25:27] Speaker 12: more than that, so much of the debt that's been
[25:29] Speaker 12: accrue is then going on and being spent directly on
[25:33] Speaker 12: inflationary activity, so you're actually paying for it today as well.
[25:38] Speaker 12: So until this government takes responsibility understands the consequences and
[25:42] Speaker 12: actually looks at seriously reducing the cost structures. We're going
[25:47] Speaker 12: to continue this perpetuity in future generations? Are the ones
[25:49] Speaker 12: who are going to pay.
[25:51] Speaker 1: Short question, which I'm sure we'll have a short answer,
[25:53] Speaker 1: but then I got a long one after that. Have
[25:56] Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time trying to work out
[25:57] Speaker 1: how to deal with these politics of equals cuts? Have
[26:02] Speaker 1: you got an idea and asking you to put out
[26:05] Speaker 1: the playbook? But because this is how they will always
[26:09] Speaker 1: come at an alternative government, this is how they were
[26:12] Speaker 1: able to sort of frankly b yes their way back
[26:14] Speaker 1: into power this time, where it's all just how it
[26:19] Speaker 1: lands like, you know, like an Olympic swimmer on that
[26:22] Speaker 1: one day where they've got to perform. It all sort
[26:24] Speaker 1: of lands nice and perfect on an election day, regardless
[26:27] Speaker 1: of how about it was six months before or after,
[26:32] Speaker 1: you know.
[26:32] Speaker 8: I mean, we have but let's be very clear.
[26:34] Speaker 12: This government just lies about things, whether it's true or
[26:37] Speaker 12: whether it is not. And so I've just come to
[26:39] Speaker 12: the conclusion that it doesn't really matter.
[26:42] Speaker 8: What we do, they're just going to lie about it anyway.
[26:44] Speaker 12: So actually what we're better off doing is being truthful
[26:47] Speaker 12: with the Australian people being frank about the consequences and
[26:50] Speaker 12: putting forward a program that's actually going to reset and
[26:53] Speaker 12: restore our country because too much is at stake for
[26:58] Speaker 12: these liars Jim Chalmers, Anthony Albanezi to carry on this
[27:02] Speaker 12: way and unfortunately, ultimately, if the Australian people want to
[27:06] Speaker 12: continue to be lied to, it's very hard to get past.
[27:09] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well again, you know, microcosm of things is Victoria,
[27:12] Speaker 1: your home state. Will see how all of that goes.
[27:15] Speaker 1: Certainly it becomes hopefully a harbinger of change. It may
[27:18] Speaker 1: be on its way towards camera. Thank you so much, mate.
[27:20] Speaker 1: I'm sorry this is the occasion of which we speak,
[27:22] Speaker 1: but it's important to know that there are people there
[27:25] Speaker 1: trying to fight it. Thank you, mate, appreciate it. Thanks Paul,
[27:28] Speaker 1: Tim Wilson. There the shadow treasure of joining us from camera.
[27:30] Speaker 1: Do appreciate it?
[27:31] Speaker 12: All?
[27:31] Speaker 13: Right?
[27:31] Speaker 1: Quick break back with more. Who was the winner and
[27:33] Speaker 1: loser of the week? We get to waller that in
[27:34] Speaker 1: a moment or two time, But can we focus on
[27:36] Speaker 1: the main game this week? Yes, the minister is very annoying.
[27:39] Speaker 1: He should go. However, the cap should go first. Why
[27:43] Speaker 1: is it still there that should be the focus. That
[27:46] Speaker 1: will be our focus straight after the break and Colin
[27:49] Speaker 1: Flynn before thank you very much for watching wherever You're
[27:54] Speaker 1: happy to be early riser because she's got that much
[27:57] Speaker 1: work to do. Is none of the news of god
[27:59] Speaker 1: with the dating media and the occasional heavy sleeper like
[28:02] Speaker 1: myself is Joe Hildebrand.
[28:03] Speaker 14: Well, you know you've got to keep well rested to
[28:05] Speaker 14: look this good ball, don't you find?
[28:07] Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely so. Prime Minister finally recognizes that perhaps going
[28:10] Speaker 1: on the podcast where there wasn't just essentially the shoe
[28:14] Speaker 1: shag Mary question, but then the melingate business, which I
[28:17] Speaker 1: think did go a little too silly last week. But
[28:20] Speaker 1: he's finally said probably not the right thing to do.
[28:22] Speaker 1: And remember all of this was not arranged by his
[28:24] Speaker 1: press office but under DM. Between comedian and Prime Minister.
[28:27] Speaker 1: What an insight into how you can actually get access
[28:30] Speaker 1: to the bloke if your profile pick looks a certain way.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Here's what he said today to the seven thirty report.
[28:37] Speaker 1: I learned that I need to do better every day.
[28:41] Speaker 1: And of course, if if I have.
[28:45] Speaker 10: The time again, which you don't, then I wouldn't have.
[28:47] Speaker 1: Done that podcast.
[28:48] Speaker 10: You know, we have a view which is trying to
[28:51] Speaker 10: talk to as many people as possible.
[28:56] Speaker 1: But clearly that was an error. I love this thing
[29:02] Speaker 1: right where in terms of the hierarchy of things, where
[29:05] Speaker 1: we all know Prime Minister's got it well worked out
[29:07] Speaker 1: that if he doesn't agree with the joint then the
[29:09] Speaker 1: front page where he knows how to ignore that. I
[29:11] Speaker 1: know had ignored this radio station that run. Oh but
[29:13] Speaker 1: when one of the high processes of the left is
[29:15] Speaker 1: sitting opposite you, when the seventh host is looking you
[29:19] Speaker 1: in the I saying Prime Minister, well, immediately it all
[29:21] Speaker 1: falls down. He's held the line for a month. Now,
[29:24] Speaker 1: he's saying what he should have said a month ago.
[29:26] Speaker 1: I know they put out a two line statement when
[29:28] Speaker 1: he was in between Pacific Islands. Where was that a
[29:30] Speaker 1: month ago?
[29:31] Speaker 13: Clearly made an error. Yeah, have put that up in lights.
[29:35] Speaker 13: How long did it take you, right, it's like four
[29:36] Speaker 13: or five weeks on. But he still has not apologized
[29:38] Speaker 13: for melingate. So he's sitting there on his high horse,
[29:41] Speaker 13: criticizing the AFL and the Swans. But he is still
[29:44] Speaker 13: sitting there and still has not said I'm sorry or
[29:46] Speaker 13: it was wrong, And for the longest time was trying
[29:49] Speaker 13: to tell the Australian public what you heard really wasn't
[29:51] Speaker 13: what you heard, And for goodness sake, can any of
[29:53] Speaker 13: us hold a conversation and actually do that like we
[29:55] Speaker 13: would not rend.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Oh he's six to seven. But now they've taken it
[29:58] Speaker 1: right away. Connection with that anyway, again, Joe, obviously you're
[30:03] Speaker 1: the elbow whisperer here. We know that clearly. So deep
[30:07] Speaker 1: in his DNA is this idea, if you admit a mistake,
[30:10] Speaker 1: then that leads to having to sack somebody, and if
[30:12] Speaker 1: you sack somebody, then it's the beginning of the end
[30:15] Speaker 1: and sort of your play out this ten year end
[30:17] Speaker 1: of your political career in a minute. Sometimes you just
[30:20] Speaker 1: say sorry.
[30:21] Speaker 14: Yeah, but again, I mean, my position is that it
[30:24] Speaker 14: wasn't necessarily Elbow going on the podcast that was the problem.
[30:29] Speaker 14: It was the sort of two decades of prim censoriousness
[30:33] Speaker 14: from the left that they played with that admittedly okay
[30:38] Speaker 14: walking again, but I you know, just saying I didn't
[30:43] Speaker 14: say this has always been my position that you know,
[30:46] Speaker 14: there is no way that you would have had the
[30:48] Speaker 14: you know, just as there is no way that the
[30:50] Speaker 14: left would be ignoring this as they are because it's talbo.
[30:55] Speaker 14: If it was a right wing politician, there is no
[30:57] Speaker 14: I mean, imagine if Donald Trump did that, you know,
[30:59] Speaker 14: you would have even right. And imagine if the left
[31:01] Speaker 14: attacked him for it, you would have the right coming
[31:03] Speaker 14: and drove to say, oh my god, the humorous left
[31:05] Speaker 14: political correctness. Can't we just have a joke anymore? And
[31:08] Speaker 14: that is basically how I feel. The crudest I mean,
[31:10] Speaker 14: the idea that this was ridiculously sexist. The crudest person
[31:13] Speaker 14: on the podcast wasn't Albo. It was the bush barbie
[31:16] Speaker 14: who was luring him into try and say, and kept
[31:18] Speaker 14: trying to push him further and further.
[31:20] Speaker 7: That's right.
[31:21] Speaker 14: And look, look maybe it was politically naive, but the
[31:26] Speaker 14: idea that this was horribly sexist and offensive and misogynistic
[31:29] Speaker 14: towards women bulged like absolute rubbish. That is the exact
[31:33] Speaker 14: kind of willful, humorous out But if you're left specializes
[31:38] Speaker 14: in and now the right is doing it, and I
[31:40] Speaker 14: know the temptation to use against them this come.
[31:45] Speaker 1: However, however, right if you are presented with and I've
[31:48] Speaker 1: said this to lots of people about invitations to go
[31:50] Speaker 1: in lots of different places, which is okay, anyone can
[31:53] Speaker 1: ask you the wildest question in the world, it's how
[31:56] Speaker 1: you respond to it. Now, it's pretty simple if you're
[31:58] Speaker 1: presented with the version of HUTUREA and marry, which obviously
[32:01] Speaker 1: is how it was presented, but without the shoot anyways,
[32:05] Speaker 1: but we understand, don't start saying that I'm part of
[32:07] Speaker 1: the problem with the normalizing advice. But again, all of
[32:10] Speaker 1: that's raally but that's the game, okay, right that that
[32:15] Speaker 1: was adapted into its other form. But it's pretty simple.
[32:19] Speaker 1: As you would advise clients. You just say, oh, look,
[32:22] Speaker 1: nice one next. But you do you reach It's not
[32:24] Speaker 1: hard to go nice one next.
[32:26] Speaker 7: In the moment, he did his research and he chose Kyle.
[32:29] Speaker 1: But he's a thirty year media performer.
[32:32] Speaker 13: He knows how to get himself out of a tight spot,
[32:33] Speaker 13: and he didn't. He made a stupid, stupid error and
[32:36] Speaker 13: he didn't apologize quickly enough.
[32:38] Speaker 1: And again, it is this thing, and look, it works
[32:41] Speaker 1: until it doesn't, and believe me, when it doesn't, you
[32:45] Speaker 1: are gone at that moment, right, which is this idea
[32:48] Speaker 1: of admit nothing all the rest of it, benefit of
[32:51] Speaker 1: the doubt, because when that breaks, and it breaks forever.
[32:54] Speaker 1: Repolitician at some point that there is a whole world
[32:58] Speaker 1: of hurt that comes in pretty hard, pretty fast, right,
[33:00] Speaker 1: I mean the giant difference between a twenty nineteen election
[33:04] Speaker 1: and the summer that immediately followed in twenty with fires, right,
[33:08] Speaker 1: it can turn and turn that damn quick. Right. So
[33:12] Speaker 1: I want to talk here about again what I think
[33:14] Speaker 1: is the actual Canberras story of the week, and that is, yes,
[33:18] Speaker 1: the performance of the minister has really pissed me off,
[33:20] Speaker 1: but can we keep the focus on the main game here,
[33:22] Speaker 1: which is again the pheaatedness of being committed to this
[33:26] Speaker 1: artificial out of nowhere we've decided five thousand dollars cap
[33:29] Speaker 1: that has either created anxiety or direct difficulty for veterans. Now,
[33:34] Speaker 1: if there was a case to be made saying, look,
[33:35] Speaker 1: the reason we've done it is because this thing's blown
[33:37] Speaker 1: out by X trillion dollars. But they haven't said it
[33:40] Speaker 1: because obviously it hasn't happened. So rather than should they shouldn't.
[33:44] Speaker 1: I'll simply ask you how long until they find a
[33:48] Speaker 1: way off this one?
[33:49] Speaker 13: Until Pauline Hansen comes out and says this is my
[33:51] Speaker 13: policy when it comes to defense and the five thousand
[33:53] Speaker 13: dollar cap and we'll scrap it. It is unbelievable that
[33:57] Speaker 13: this is the approach and for the minister to not
[34:00] Speaker 13: to meet with those veterans. First of all, that's disgraceful yep.
[34:03] Speaker 13: Second of all, it should not take our veterans. And
[34:06] Speaker 13: if you look at the figures in the past ten years,
[34:08] Speaker 13: you've had seventy eight veterans a year at least take
[34:10] Speaker 13: their own lives. So the figures are shocking. They need
[34:14] Speaker 13: the rehab, they need the mental health facilities and the
[34:17] Speaker 13: care and the government are saying, well, we're just not
[34:19] Speaker 13: going to honor that is there is no worst person
[34:22] Speaker 13: in this country to turn it back on, and that
[34:24] Speaker 13: is what the government is doing with this policy.
[34:26] Speaker 1: Well, and my pree advice to the opposition of which
[34:28] Speaker 1: sh it's with what it's paid for? This is the
[34:31] Speaker 1: question to be asked all the time, every question time,
[34:34] Speaker 1: regardless whether the media pays attention to it or not,
[34:37] Speaker 1: which is that you have to turn around eventually you
[34:39] Speaker 1: build up. We have asked them fifty times why won't
[34:42] Speaker 1: you do this? Right? That's just the campaign. But I
[34:44] Speaker 1: think they will have find a dismount, could be as
[34:47] Speaker 1: early as this weekend, could be in the next couple
[34:48] Speaker 1: of weeks. But it'll happen Friday night, Saturday while you're
[34:51] Speaker 1: paying attention to finals football.
[34:53] Speaker 14: Yeah, I reckon. I mean it's got all the hallmarks already.
[34:56] Speaker 14: Albow coming in over the top of a minister telling
[34:58] Speaker 14: him to walk the wa walk or walk the plank
[35:01] Speaker 14: and then saying and then saying that I was just
[35:05] Speaker 14: gobsmacked by that, but yeah, and then saying, right, you
[35:08] Speaker 14: know you're out of here or I'm overruling you. I
[35:12] Speaker 14: wasn't aware of this. Elbow saws in over the top
[35:14] Speaker 14: and saves the day. So hopefully that's what they do,
[35:16] Speaker 14: because again, like I think the rest of the country,
[35:19] Speaker 14: I cannot, for the life of me understand how they
[35:22] Speaker 14: got themselves into this position. I cannot, for the life
[35:24] Speaker 14: of me understand. And I think Matt Keo hands.
[35:28] Speaker 1: Bended is because it's not his decision in that either
[35:31] Speaker 1: there's a budgetary decision that's been made within the Department
[35:33] Speaker 1: of Defense and they're presented it to him or the
[35:36] Speaker 1: Department of Veterans Affairs or from Treasury and around, but
[35:40] Speaker 1: clearly he's not in the room coming up with the idea,
[35:42] Speaker 1: which is why he can't defend it. Above them all
[35:44] Speaker 1: the moral me you know, and I know if we're
[35:46] Speaker 1: sitting in a room where they made a decision, you
[35:48] Speaker 1: would be able to defend the decision because you know
[35:50] Speaker 1: the ingredients into why they made the decision. He obviously,
[35:53] Speaker 1: I think, doesn't.
[35:55] Speaker 7: As you said, it's not even this huge. It's not
[35:58] Speaker 7: like the ndis.
[35:59] Speaker 14: It's not like that actual defense budget where you can
[36:02] Speaker 14: make real budgets like I mean, I understand you know
[36:05] Speaker 14: they'd go to all the ministers say right, find all
[36:06] Speaker 14: the savings you can, and maybe the department comes with
[36:08] Speaker 14: this in the minutes, goes all right, yeah, no whries
[36:10] Speaker 14: is blah blah blah. But surely, if you're a politician
[36:12] Speaker 14: with any brains, let alone any heart, the last people
[36:16] Speaker 14: you cut the one if you are going to quarantine
[36:19] Speaker 14: any group of people from budget cuts, it would be
[36:23] Speaker 14: those who have actually served the country and been prepared
[36:26] Speaker 14: to die for their country.
[36:28] Speaker 1: And the reason I think that this jumps out of
[36:30] Speaker 1: the places where the Prime Minister would otherwise ignore right now, Again,
[36:33] Speaker 1: I disagree with Jackie lambyond a whole bunch of things.
[36:36] Speaker 1: I've poked fun over a whole bunch of things, But
[36:38] Speaker 1: this issue is above all for me when it comes
[36:41] Speaker 1: to her when she starts to talk about it, where
[36:43] Speaker 1: then we know about her frequency of frequent appearances breakfast
[36:46] Speaker 1: television and ABC, which means it'll jump into a consciousness
[36:50] Speaker 1: of the Prime Minister. We'll have to deal with so
[36:52] Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.
[36:53] Speaker 13: It's not even like it's part of the recommendations from
[36:55] Speaker 13: the roural, so they haven't implemented those. We still don't
[36:58] Speaker 13: know which ones they've acted on, which ones they happen.
[37:00] Speaker 13: There are one hundred and twenty two, one hundred and
[37:02] Speaker 13: fourteen they said we'll accept those, but we're going to
[37:05] Speaker 13: have to wait until I think February next year to
[37:07] Speaker 13: find out what they've actually done in that front. So
[37:09] Speaker 13: they're not serving our veterans at all.
[37:11] Speaker 1: Now, can we talk about this one's here not because
[37:13] Speaker 1: it's a Sydney thing and the rest of the country
[37:14] Speaker 1: has to hear what Sydney's talking about, but what we
[37:16] Speaker 1: have seen over the past few days, right and again,
[37:20] Speaker 1: the problem is because there are malicious people that will
[37:23] Speaker 1: deliberately take things out of context. You know where I've
[37:25] Speaker 1: been all weak, You know how direct I've been that
[37:29] Speaker 1: the women involved are the focus, not the players, not
[37:31] Speaker 1: the team. But after the team made the choice to
[37:34] Speaker 1: punish the players because of the team rules, we're now
[37:36] Speaker 1: in a position where it's over to the police. But Joe,
[37:39] Speaker 1: there has been this thing that I'm going to notice
[37:41] Speaker 1: and maybe I'm putting heads in the lions mouth. So
[37:42] Speaker 1: here we go, which is the people who made it
[37:45] Speaker 1: about themselves, right, the people writing the think pieces. Their
[37:48] Speaker 1: shame is our shape. No, it's not like in the
[37:49] Speaker 1: same way that if you didn't win the comp, they
[37:52] Speaker 1: won the comp. I understand that you're annoyed with those people,
[37:56] Speaker 1: but by saying I'm not going to the game or
[37:57] Speaker 1: I'm going to throw the scarf in the you're going
[37:59] Speaker 1: to punish all the other people on the TIMMA do
[38:01] Speaker 1: the right thing. And remember this was not official Swan's policy.
[38:05] Speaker 1: The CEO wasn't in the room as well. They've acted
[38:08] Speaker 1: as fast as they could. So why do people want
[38:11] Speaker 1: to punish the good people at the organization.
[38:14] Speaker 7: It's idiotic.
[38:14] Speaker 14: It's something I call the outraged hardest, which is that
[38:17] Speaker 14: people have just as much outrage as they've always had
[38:20] Speaker 14: and less and less to be outraged about it, particularly
[38:22] Speaker 14: if they're overprivileged to what sore typing blogs or posting
[38:26] Speaker 14: think pieces on social media and in the Guardian.
[38:30] Speaker 7: It is. It is absolutely moronic.
[38:31] Speaker 14: I mean, firstly, anyone who knows anything about football, the Swans,
[38:37] Speaker 14: even about you know, respect for women campaigns, know that
[38:40] Speaker 14: the Swans are actually the poster boys for respectful, progressive, tolerant,
[38:47] Speaker 14: you know, supportive culture. And this is why this is
[38:50] Speaker 14: such a big story and why it's so shocking, because
[38:52] Speaker 14: they had their infamous no Dickhead's policies.
[38:54] Speaker 1: Also words and deeds, and they've clearly.
[38:56] Speaker 14: The words that's right, and so this is why it
[38:59] Speaker 14: is and why lot of people from other cards and
[39:01] Speaker 14: other clubs going ah haha, you're not so pure and yeah,
[39:04] Speaker 14: virtuous after all. But I mean again to punish the
[39:08] Speaker 14: Swans for it when this is the one thing that's
[39:10] Speaker 14: gone against them. But the other thing is that it's
[39:12] Speaker 14: not because of the police investigation that the Swans suspended
[39:15] Speaker 14: the players. It's because their actions just in behaving as
[39:19] Speaker 14: they did, regardless of whether.
[39:20] Speaker 7: Or not there was an assaut which is still alleged.
[39:22] Speaker 1: And well, dare I say right this weekend I'm on
[39:25] Speaker 1: my way up obviously for our town. Well, guess what
[39:27] Speaker 1: that's a trip, not that I'm taking your my own dollar.
[39:29] Speaker 1: It's company dollar, which means you know, it ain't the
[39:32] Speaker 1: Gold Coast on a long weekend with the boys, not
[39:35] Speaker 1: that it's been like that for a very long time.
[39:37] Speaker 1: But that's the point. This is a work trip. They
[39:39] Speaker 1: make them every couple of weeks, and therefore mixinggan in.
[39:42] Speaker 1: How did you feel about how they handle it? Again,
[39:45] Speaker 1: I don't think they could have got it better, but
[39:47] Speaker 1: I think that those who demand perfection, it doesn't matter
[39:50] Speaker 1: even if they hit it, they wouldn't be a look.
[39:52] Speaker 6: I think it was good.
[39:53] Speaker 13: The CEO came out quickly and he wasn't hiding behind
[39:56] Speaker 13: a written statement. He actually knew he had to come
[39:57] Speaker 13: up and deliver to the cameras and speak about it.
[40:00] Speaker 13: It was a brief statement. He has got a lot
[40:03] Speaker 13: of ridicule for not talking about women and respecting women
[40:06] Speaker 13: and against violence against women. However, they were out there,
[40:10] Speaker 13: they were talking about it, and they quickly moved when
[40:12] Speaker 13: they heard what people were talking about and what their
[40:14] Speaker 13: concerns were. I think generally they've handled pretty well, and
[40:17] Speaker 13: they actually were very decisive in taking action.
[40:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, and also again I love this sort of the
[40:22] Speaker 1: anger about you know, the shows that are about talking
[40:25] Speaker 1: about the footy that they weren't sensitive enough about the
[40:28] Speaker 1: socialist So what do you expect? And by the way,
[40:31] Speaker 1: just by the way, and you know, I know how
[40:32] Speaker 1: popular the front bar is, right, I want anyone to
[40:35] Speaker 1: go back and have a watch of that show last
[40:36] Speaker 1: night and work out exactly where did they mention the
[40:38] Speaker 1: biggest story in football anywhere in the show one host
[40:42] Speaker 1: fifteen seconds before the end of the show. No outrage right,
[40:44] Speaker 1: because they're of course all part of the okay.
[40:47] Speaker 14: Because this is the other thing where the outrage brigade
[40:49] Speaker 14: actually gets it completely wrong, literally the opposite of what
[40:52] Speaker 14: it is.
[40:52] Speaker 7: Because of course it used to be.
[40:54] Speaker 14: The way that you know, player you turn a blind
[40:56] Speaker 14: eye to the worst player behavior because it's well, that's
[40:59] Speaker 14: just their personal life, that's their private life. It's nothing
[41:02] Speaker 14: to do with footye. The whole point about how the
[41:04] Speaker 14: code has changed, and the Swans have been at the
[41:06] Speaker 14: forefront of this, is that you cannot just say, oh, well,
[41:10] Speaker 14: I can do what I want you on a big
[41:12] Speaker 14: night out and punch as many people or grab as
[41:15] Speaker 14: many women or whatever, and now I'm still going to play.
[41:18] Speaker 14: Because they're completely different things, right. That is kind of
[41:20] Speaker 14: what the left's argument now is.
[41:23] Speaker 1: Still pretending that the hartoonage memory of the seventies that
[41:27] Speaker 1: either never existed or they didn't live, is what's existed.
[41:29] Speaker 14: The whole point now is that if you if your
[41:32] Speaker 14: players screw up and play up and do a disgraceful
[41:37] Speaker 14: things off the field, it doesn't just get handled off
[41:39] Speaker 14: the field. You get punished on the field. And that
[41:42] Speaker 14: is what the fans are worrying about. That is the consequence.
[41:44] Speaker 14: And again we know that clearly from the fact that
[41:47] Speaker 14: these are often group events. And again these are all
[41:49] Speaker 14: still allegations, but clearly there are people who are prepared
[41:52] Speaker 14: to tolerate that bad behavior. But I'll tell you what
[41:55] Speaker 14: no one would tolerate is that behavior costing you the flag.
[41:58] Speaker 14: And so it says you behave like this, you lose that, correct,
[42:02] Speaker 14: And that is something that all the fans and the
[42:04] Speaker 14: club can care about and say, oh, maybe we shouldn't
[42:07] Speaker 14: do that.
[42:07] Speaker 1: All right, lovely, Maybe they want to punish them.
[42:09] Speaker 13: Maybe the fans are saying, no, we want to punish
[42:10] Speaker 13: the club. There's group think involved here, a group to
[42:13] Speaker 13: think they were all there. We want to punish you
[42:15] Speaker 13: that's why we're not showing up.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Oh that's not even time for winnows and losers. You
[42:18] Speaker 1: can tell me in the cup. Thank you guys, Love
[42:20] Speaker 1: you guys. Good weekend. The Great Colum Flinny joins us. Next,
[42:23] Speaker 1: a lovely way to end now week. The great man
[42:25] Speaker 1: joins us, and we're talking Christmas already. That's a new record,
[42:28] Speaker 1: the twentieth of August. I used to get annoyed when
[42:31] Speaker 1: they put the Christmas tree up in November. More than
[42:34] Speaker 1: a second joining us now is the Great Coluin Flinney
[42:39] Speaker 1: joins us from the other side of the world right
[42:41] Speaker 1: now in Washington, d C. He's the man that we
[42:43] Speaker 1: like to end our week with a smile. What have
[42:45] Speaker 1: you got there? What are you just sipping away out?
[42:46] Speaker 1: And see you all sort of ready for cocoa and
[42:48] Speaker 1: Christmas in August.
[42:51] Speaker 6: There's a little belt of the booze pol for burry
[42:55] Speaker 6: love I'm having.
[42:57] Speaker 1: It's like seven o'clock in the morning where you.
[42:59] Speaker 6: Are, it's happy hours somewhere, and I am irish the
[43:03] Speaker 6: stereotype red reindeer mug because we're bringing Christmas to you
[43:10] Speaker 6: a little bit early poell and don't forget well here's
[43:14] Speaker 6: the thing. I mean, last year, last week, you told
[43:17] Speaker 6: me to continue my quest of finding international Paul Burry's
[43:20] Speaker 6: from all over the world, blokes that just kind of
[43:22] Speaker 6: look and feel like you. So I mean, this is
[43:25] Speaker 6: the kindest way, brother. They bring you a story from
[43:29] Speaker 6: Virginia here next to me in DC. And actually a
[43:31] Speaker 6: bit of a background to this as a serious side,
[43:33] Speaker 6: because we're talking about a kidney donation and here in
[43:37] Speaker 6: the United States there's a long waiting list. Ninety thousand
[43:40] Speaker 6: people are waiting for kidney donations. But it's not something
[43:43] Speaker 6: people normally think about until it's a family member or
[43:46] Speaker 6: someone you know. But there is one man. His name
[43:48] Speaker 6: is Dave Bell, and he is Santa Claus in Virginia.
[43:51] Speaker 6: So every Christmas, this is the guy who goes to
[43:54] Speaker 6: the local schools, he goes to the hospitals to visit
[43:58] Speaker 6: this children. And you know, he's one of these guys
[44:00] Speaker 6: you just hate Paul because he is such a nice bloke.
[44:05] Speaker 6: Him and his wife who is called Missus Claus. They
[44:08] Speaker 6: even go and visit children with special leeds for free
[44:11] Speaker 6: every year all year round. As Santa he fully embraces it.
[44:14] Speaker 6: He heard about this waiting list ninety thousand people waiting,
[44:18] Speaker 6: and he said, you know what, I want to do
[44:20] Speaker 6: something about this anonymously, even if he didn't know the
[44:23] Speaker 6: person who was going to get one of his kidneys.
[44:25] Speaker 6: But there was a problem because he's a big guy.
[44:29] Speaker 6: Santa has to be big and fat and jolly. So
[44:31] Speaker 6: when he went to the hospital, they said, Santra, we
[44:33] Speaker 6: appreciate you wanting to give one of your kidneys. But
[44:37] Speaker 6: so he said, hang on hold your thought. Him and
[44:39] Speaker 6: missus Claus joined a gym. They worked for months. He
[44:42] Speaker 6: lost forty pounds, which is around twenty kilos, and he
[44:47] Speaker 6: was able to give a kidney. So this is the
[44:49] Speaker 6: ultimate gift that you can give ahead of Christmas. Here's
[44:52] Speaker 6: a clip of Dave Bell Paul telling the audience why
[44:55] Speaker 6: he did it. And by the way, this clip came
[44:57] Speaker 6: from the local ABC eight network. So here it is.
[45:00] Speaker 6: I have two kidneys, I only need one.
[45:03] Speaker 9: I didn't even know you could be a living donor
[45:06] Speaker 9: until like a year ago. I went on a big diet,
[45:09] Speaker 9: talked to miss his clause, we joined a gym. I
[45:12] Speaker 9: lost about forty pounds after qualifying.
[45:15] Speaker 6: Dave anonymously donated his left kidney to the national Kidney
[45:19] Speaker 6: Registry at Henriko Doctors.
[45:21] Speaker 8: His surgery and recovery went smoothly.
[45:24] Speaker 9: We can give someone a kidney and make their life
[45:27] Speaker 9: and their family's life so much better, and I'll be
[45:31] Speaker 9: exactly the same afterwards. If we all made the world
[45:34] Speaker 9: a better place, what kind of place would this be?
[45:40] Speaker 6: Isn't that you just so beautiful? And you know what
[45:42] Speaker 6: I love, Paul. Imagine you're the person who gets the kidney,
[45:44] Speaker 6: and that people say to your friends who gave you
[45:47] Speaker 6: the kidney, You'll say, you're not going to believe this.
[45:50] Speaker 6: It was actually sent a closer with Kevin I'm Paul
[45:53] Speaker 6: with you or search for international Paul Murray's Do you
[45:57] Speaker 6: see it there?
[45:58] Speaker 1: I love it. I think ten out of ten, ten
[46:01] Speaker 1: out of ten.
[46:03] Speaker 6: Here's another problem now, because he has to get back
[46:06] Speaker 6: in shape for Christmas. So well, you and I maybe
[46:08] Speaker 6: are trying to lose a few stone or kilos or whatever.
[46:11] Speaker 6: He is the guy now with the help of missus Claus,
[46:14] Speaker 6: he's eating more and more mince pies. He's putting weight
[46:17] Speaker 6: back on so that he can get in shape for Christmas.
[46:19] Speaker 6: But you know what, Paul, it got me thinking because
[46:22] Speaker 6: I wanted to give you an early Christmas gift. Are
[46:25] Speaker 6: you ready for a Christmas present?
[46:26] Speaker 1: Yes? Is it going to be a kidney?
[46:29] Speaker 6: I'm not going to give you a kidney, my friend,
[46:31] Speaker 6: but you know I still love your brother. But last week,
[46:35] Speaker 6: you might remember last week when we were talking, I
[46:37] Speaker 6: brought you the story of the bloke in Spain. Remember
[46:39] Speaker 6: the guy, He was unemployed, He was fifty five, living
[46:42] Speaker 6: with this mam at home. And you said, look, this
[46:45] Speaker 6: is me in a couple of years time. We had
[46:47] Speaker 6: if you take me full screen in the ConTroll room.
[46:49] Speaker 6: Actually because I just did this in the last few
[46:52] Speaker 6: minutes before we came on air, so I didn't get
[46:54] Speaker 6: a chance to send this over to the gallery. But
[46:57] Speaker 6: there's our friend from last week in Spain, and he's
[47:00] Speaker 6: that painting. Remember the story was that you found the
[47:02] Speaker 6: painting and it was worth one hundred and fifty thousand
[47:05] Speaker 6: euro two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Now you know
[47:08] Speaker 6: the real valuable thing here in the photograph, Paul, is
[47:10] Speaker 6: the vest. Remember that? Oh? Yes, you told me you
[47:14] Speaker 6: wanted one of those vests. Yes, okay, So I know
[47:17] Speaker 6: the channel has got a makeover in News twenty four
[47:19] Speaker 6: and I said it's about time that Paul Murray gets
[47:21] Speaker 6: a makeover. So here's our friend. But here is the
[47:25] Speaker 6: new poll.
[47:27] Speaker 12: How do it?
[47:29] Speaker 1: That is an absolute refa ago with that? Get I
[47:32] Speaker 1: noll how high gallas Stra?
[47:34] Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what the thing is, Paul, when
[47:38] Speaker 6: I put you in the vest, if you take me
[47:39] Speaker 6: full screen again, look that's you, but you're telling me
[47:42] Speaker 6: that's not you.
[47:43] Speaker 1: I got a Simon too, mean, same place, neighbor at
[47:47] Speaker 1: the same time. Thank you Colin, We love you, Mite
[47:49] Speaker 1: have wonderful wake in, very good vision switching at all.
[47:53] Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All right, quick break back with more
[47:55] Speaker 1: some of the nonsense politicians did on social media, and
[47:58] Speaker 1: then of course we handed out to the light to
[47:59] Speaker 1: bag very good before we start to head to Queensland
[48:06] Speaker 1: for Maryborough on Sunday night. Let's have a look at
[48:08] Speaker 1: what you were doing or what while you were working,
[48:11] Speaker 1: what they were doing on social media. That they are,
[48:13] Speaker 1: the politicians and the people who work for them, to
[48:15] Speaker 1: make crap like this.
[48:17] Speaker 4: Hi, time for a Friday fit check again. On Monday,
[48:21] Speaker 4: I spent the morning in Melbourne and the afternoon in Canberra.
[48:25] Speaker 4: But I am wearing an all kind of burgundy outfit.
[48:28] Speaker 4: I'm really upset because I bought that Cargan and it
[48:30] Speaker 4: shrunk straight away. It still fits, but it's just a
[48:33] Speaker 4: little tighter than I wanted, so it's undone.
[48:37] Speaker 1: A moment's silence for when they treated us like adults.
[48:41] Speaker 1: See you Sunday in Maryborough.

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