# Paul Murray Live | 1 September

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 1 Sep 2026, 49 min.

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Second Australian survivor found and over 40 still missing after Nepal flood, number of terror charges increasing against Aussie teens. Plus, elderly Aussies stranded in hospitals awaiting aged care beds. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari.
[0:07] Speaker 2: How good was Mark Holden? Lovely to have you in
[0:10] Speaker 2: the Man Cave tonight. If you want to reach out,
[0:12] Speaker 2: you know what to do. You can always send me
[0:13] Speaker 2: an email. But more importantly, you just sit exactly where
[0:15] Speaker 2: you are right now because I've got about 23 hours
[0:18] Speaker 2: I want to talk about. We'll fit it into the
[0:20] Speaker 2: next one hour of television. Let's start with... A tinge
[0:24] Speaker 2: of good news in the difficulties that are in and
[0:26] Speaker 2: around Nepal.
[0:27] Speaker 1: There are still thousands of people that are missing.
[0:29] Speaker 2: There are 43 Australians who are still missing. But we
[0:33] Speaker 2: learned today of the second Australian who has been found alive.
[0:39] Speaker 3: There's immense relief for an Australian family tonight. A loved
[0:42] Speaker 3: one feared missing in the Nepal disaster has been found
[0:46] Speaker 3: safe and well.
[0:47] Speaker 4: There is some rare good news in the search for
[0:49] Speaker 4: survivors in Nepal tonight. A second missing Australian confirmed alive.
[0:55] Speaker 1: So where did they find him? How did they find him?
[0:58] Speaker 2: Again, latest information from Nepal tonight.
[1:01] Speaker 5: The second Australian now accounted for a woman found on
[1:05] Speaker 5: the Tibetan side of the border. It's understood she made
[1:08] Speaker 5: contact with her family. You can just imagine six days
[1:11] Speaker 5: into that disaster how sweet that phone call would have been.
[1:15] Speaker 5: DFAT is aware of this and assisting.
[1:17] Speaker 1: Her right now.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Now, in terms of other situations, we've got terrible news
[1:24] Speaker 2: as well about confirmation about an Australian who has also believed, firstly,
[1:30] Speaker 2: to have been missing and then dying.
[1:32] Speaker 1: That information came to us today as well.
[1:36] Speaker 3: We've located an Australian on the Tibetan side of the border.
[1:42] Speaker 3: That person is safe.
[1:44] Speaker 1: Consular officials.
[1:45] Speaker 3: have made contact with the person and then been able
[1:48] Speaker 3: to phone their family. Obviously, that's a huge relief for
[1:52] Speaker 3: their family members.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Sorry, my apologies.
[1:56] Speaker 2: And also the greater fears that exist when it comes
[1:58] Speaker 2: to the other missing Australians.
[2:01] Speaker 3: The area is difficult to communicate with. There's been road closures, obviously,
[2:08] Speaker 3: that have been wiped out. The power is down and
[2:11] Speaker 3: telecommunications are, are very, very limited. So we're continuing to
[2:18] Speaker 3: work as best we possibly can with our consular officials
[2:21] Speaker 3: and the Nepalese search parties.
[2:24] Speaker 6: But obviously, as every day goes on, it becomes much
[2:28] Speaker 6: more difficult.
[2:30] Speaker 2: Let's get back home and some issues that should concern
[2:33] Speaker 2: all of us, which is the threat to safety and
[2:35] Speaker 2: the threat from safety that we just don't see coming.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Of course, the Bondi attack. Two people are accused of
[2:43] Speaker 2: being responsible. One was killed by police. One is a 24-year-old,
[2:49] Speaker 2: currently now, sitting before the courts as the accused alleged shooter.
[2:55] Speaker 2: But there is an issue about the number of young
[2:57] Speaker 2: people who are being radicalised in Australia that I want
[2:59] Speaker 2: to spend a little bit of time talking about tonight. No,
[3:02] Speaker 2: it is not as sexy as bashing up Albanese or
[3:05] Speaker 2: being able to point with rage about the problems when
[3:08] Speaker 2: it comes to this government, but it is a life-and-death situation.
[3:12] Speaker 2: threat that exists around the country. It is getting worse
[3:16] Speaker 2: every year and it's one that the ASIO chief is
[3:19] Speaker 2: acutely aware of.
[3:22] Speaker 7: Social media is amplifying and accelerating grievance narratives, eroding trust
[3:26] Speaker 7: in institutions, promoting discord and inflammatory rhetoric, exacerbating polarisation and
[3:32] Speaker 7: creating a permissive environment for violence. Whether online or in
[3:38] Speaker 7: the real world, when intolerance is tolerated, When violent language
[3:42] Speaker 7: and violent acts are left unchecked, they become normalised, reinforcing
[3:46] Speaker 7: the impression they're acceptable and compounding the likelihood of further violence.
[3:52] Speaker 2: And adding to all of this was horrific news today
[3:55] Speaker 2: about what might have been. It's to do with the
[3:58] Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House. And wait till I tell you the
[4:02] Speaker 2: age of a person who made a major pleading today
[4:06] Speaker 2: in court. A teenage boy. has now pled guilty to
[4:10] Speaker 2: preparing a potential terrorist attack on the Sydney Opera House.
[4:14] Speaker 2: A teenage boy told a court in Sydney that he
[4:17] Speaker 2: was considering carrying out a mass terror attack motivated by
[4:20] Speaker 2: Islamic extremism and the CBD after being radicalised on social media.
[4:26] Speaker 2: He was 14 years old. When federal police arrested him
[4:30] Speaker 2: a couple of years ago at his Western Sydney home,
[4:33] Speaker 2: officers found more than 40 videos on his computer featuring
[4:36] Speaker 2: extremist content. The boy, who cannot be identified, has pled
[4:39] Speaker 2: guilty to committing acts in preparation of a terrorist attack
[4:45] Speaker 2: at a sentencing hearing, which took place at the Supreme
[4:47] Speaker 2: Court today. The court had heard that the boy was
[4:51] Speaker 2: conducting online research into target locations and attack methodologies for
[4:55] Speaker 2: the purposes of detonating explosive devices and motivated by Islamic extremism.
[5:03] Speaker 2: The court heard that the boy told investigators youth justice
[5:07] Speaker 2: workers that he was raised by good parents who had.
[5:09] Speaker 1: Taught him to respect everyone.
[5:13] Speaker 2: He told the court today that he was first exposed
[5:15] Speaker 2: to extremist material on TikTok earlier in 2024 and found
[5:19] Speaker 2: it very interesting. Now, he has apparently gone through a
[5:23] Speaker 2: de-radicalisation process and we'll find out exactly what the sentencing is.
[5:28] Speaker 2: But the theme here is about the ages. Allegation of
[5:34] Speaker 2: the shooter in Bondi, 24. Today, a guilty plea of
[5:39] Speaker 2: a 14-year-old. In the ACT in Canberra, this one's about
[5:44] Speaker 2: a 17-year-old. A Canberra teen has been charged with planning
[5:49] Speaker 2: terrorist attacks. A Canberra teenager has become the first person
[5:54] Speaker 2: in the ACT to be charged with planning a terrorist
[5:56] Speaker 2: attack after police allege that he was preparing to target
[6:00] Speaker 2: strangers and motivated by nationalist and racist extremist views. The
[6:05] Speaker 2: 17-year-old appeared in the children's court charged with one count
[6:09] Speaker 2: of planning or preparing for a terrorist act and one
[6:13] Speaker 2: count of transmitting violent extremist material. At the time, police
[6:19] Speaker 2: said that he had developed the plans for public attacks
[6:24] Speaker 2: and had the necessary equipment to create a bomb in
[6:27] Speaker 2: his bedroom. In November, after the teen's arrest, the court
[6:31] Speaker 2: heard the videos the boy shared Possessed include offensive depictions
[6:37] Speaker 2: of shootings along with game-style video of the Christchurch shootings
[6:40] Speaker 2: and images of Nazi flags and Ku Klux Klan members.
[6:44] Speaker 1: That was from May in this year.
[6:47] Speaker 2: Police at the time said that violent extremist material is
[6:50] Speaker 2: circulated by terrorist organisations to promote violence, hate and division
[6:55] Speaker 2: within Australian society. The AFP and our law enforcement and
[6:59] Speaker 2: national security partners will continue to work tirelessly to keep
[7:02] Speaker 2: Australians safe. It is our job to defend and to
[7:05] Speaker 2: protect the Australian community and we will relentlessly pursue those
[7:09] Speaker 2: who seek harm to our democracy or social cohesion. Strengthening
[7:15] Speaker 2: awareness and confidence in trusted and supportive networks is a
[7:18] Speaker 2: key element to preventing radicalisation and protecting young people from
[7:22] Speaker 2: harmful influences.
[7:25] Speaker 1: Remember the church stabbing a couple of years ago?
[7:28] Speaker 2: We covered it live as it was all happening in
[7:30] Speaker 2: Western Sydney. This one is back in 2024, seven juveniles
[7:38] Speaker 2: with alleged violent extremist ideology were arrested in Sydney by
[7:42] Speaker 2: counter-terrorism police. Seven juveniles have been arrested as part of
[7:46] Speaker 2: those raids across southwestern Sydney, with police alleging they were
[7:52] Speaker 2: adhering to religiously motivated violent extremist ideology. New South Wales
[7:57] Speaker 2: police said 13 search warrants were executed, seven were arrested,
[8:02] Speaker 2: including 15 year olds, 16 and 17 year olds. Singular
[8:09] Speaker 2: on the first.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Five others are assisting police with their inquiries. At the time, this.
[8:15] Speaker 2: Was what police said about that allegation.
[8:19] Speaker 8: We identified links between the alleged offender and a network
[8:23] Speaker 8: of associates and peers who we believe shared a similar
[8:27] Speaker 8: violent extremist ideology. At this time, we have no evidence
[8:31] Speaker 8: of specific locations, times or targets of a violent act.
[8:36] Speaker 2: So again, you are seeing teenagers, the youngest version of teenagers,
[8:42] Speaker 2: teenagers being caught up in these situations, their radicalisation similar
[8:46] Speaker 2: all the time online. The type of radicalisation, different, different.
[8:54] Speaker 2: Quite frightening at the time was the Deputy Commissioner in
[8:56] Speaker 2: New South Wales explaining just how big the problem is
[9:00] Speaker 2: and how hard it is to stop this stuff.
[9:03] Speaker 9: Their behaviour, whilst under that surveillance, led us to believe
[9:08] Speaker 9: that if they were to commit any act, we would
[9:12] Speaker 9: not be able to prevent that. And we believed, through
[9:15] Speaker 9: the investigation, that it was likely that an attack occurred.
[9:19] Speaker 9: It was considered that the group, subject of our attention,
[9:22] Speaker 9: posed an unacceptable risk and threat to the people of
[9:25] Speaker 9: New South Wales. And our current purely investigative strategies could
[9:30] Speaker 9: not adequately ensure public safety.
[9:33] Speaker 1: And what about in regional areas? Not immune either.
[9:36] Speaker 2: Moree in New South Wales. 15 and a 16-year-old. Two
[9:42] Speaker 2: New South Wales teens were charged over extremist material.
[9:46] Speaker 1: It goes on, it goes on, it goes on. I
[9:48] Speaker 1: could give you so many other examples.
[9:52] Speaker 2: This is what the ASIO boss is talking about when
[9:54] Speaker 2: he talks about the size of the threat. This is
[9:58] Speaker 2: why when we mention that there are hundreds of people
[10:00] Speaker 2: in de-radicalisation programs, that there is a whole world of
[10:04] Speaker 2: threat that the people who keep us safe have to
[10:07] Speaker 2: be on top of 24-7.
[10:11] Speaker 1: It's a way of me.
[10:12] Speaker 7: Artificial intelligence will allow a step change in our security environment.
[10:17] Speaker 7: AI is likely to make radicalisation easier and faster.
[10:20] Speaker 5: Mike Burgess says while AI is an opportunity for society,
[10:24] Speaker 5: it comes with risks.
[10:25] Speaker 7: The internet is the world's greatest incubator of extremism and
[10:28] Speaker 7: social media is the world's greatest accelerator. AI will augment
[10:33] Speaker 7: the incubation and accelerate the acceleration.
[10:37] Speaker 1: All of this is a concern.
[10:39] Speaker 2: It is a way of saying thank you to the
[10:40] Speaker 2: people who keep us safe, but it's also a moment
[10:44] Speaker 2: to be deadly serious with you. which is to always
[10:48] Speaker 2: keep an eye on the people in your life, not suspiciously,
[10:52] Speaker 2: not in the world of dibba-dobbing or.
[10:55] Speaker 1: Anything else.
[10:55] Speaker 2: It's about keeping each other safe. So as they used
[10:59] Speaker 2: to say, if you see something, you should say something.
[11:01] Speaker 2: So I want you to write these telephone numbers down.
[11:03] Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of seconds for them to
[11:04] Speaker 2: stay up online. Crime stoppers, that's a national number, 1-800-333-000. Obviously,
[11:10] Speaker 2: if it is a matter that is an imminent danger,
[11:12] Speaker 2: triple O is the number, but otherwise. If you've got
[11:15] Speaker 2: a suspicion, if you've seen something weird, if you think
[11:18] Speaker 2: there's something worth talking about here, 1-800-333-000. Of course, the
[11:22] Speaker 2: National Security Hotline is 1-800-123-400, 1-800-123-400. The Police Assistance Line, again,
[11:30] Speaker 2: another way of getting in contact without clogging up 000,
[11:33] Speaker 2: is 131-444.
[11:35] Speaker 1: All of this matters. It's difficult. It's hard.
[11:40] Speaker 2: We all hope that it's no one that is in
[11:42] Speaker 2: our orbit, but... The reality is that we don't know
[11:45] Speaker 2: where it's coming from. And while news moves on and
[11:50] Speaker 2: the feelings are different than after Bondi, after September 11,
[11:54] Speaker 2: after Bali, after London, the reality is that because of
[11:57] Speaker 2: the bloody internet, the threat is as urgent as ever.
[12:01] Speaker 2: Strength and love to everyone who is on the front
[12:04] Speaker 2: lines of this fight and thank you for keeping us
[12:06] Speaker 2: safe today and hopefully every.
[12:08] Speaker 1: Day to come.
[12:11] Speaker 2: We talk a lot about aged care because it's kind
[12:14] Speaker 2: of where we're all headed, right? Many of us may
[12:16] Speaker 2: have intimate, beautiful family members, our parents or partners in
[12:22] Speaker 2: aged care. So I always pay attention to this and
[12:24] Speaker 2: I really hate that the government that made such a
[12:26] Speaker 2: song and dance about robo-dead is also now using some
[12:29] Speaker 2: sort of an algorithm, non-human intervention here to decide what
[12:34] Speaker 2: people get what help. In fact, there was a Four
[12:38] Speaker 2: Corners story about it a couple of weeks ago.
[12:41] Speaker 9: Aged care experts say the system is failing.
[12:47] Speaker 2: More than a quarter of a million older Australians.
[12:49] Speaker 10: Are waiting, either to be assessed or to get the
[12:53] Speaker 10: full funding they've been approved for.
[12:56] Speaker 11: It's a pure financial decision. This is how much we
[12:59] Speaker 11: can afford, and that I call a calculated denial of service.
[13:03] Speaker 11: Government is making a political calculation that it can get
[13:06] Speaker 11: away with not funding people who itself has assessed as
[13:10] Speaker 11: needing services.
[13:13] Speaker 2: Well, another problem here. And again, none of this stuff's sexy.
[13:15] Speaker 2: It doesn't get out on the front page. It's not
[13:17] Speaker 2: on the 6pm news. You're not going to see a
[13:18] Speaker 2: reel about this any time, but this is real conversation.
[13:21] Speaker 2: with an A, that we like to have each and
[13:23] Speaker 2: every night. Because I want you to know that we,
[13:27] Speaker 2: on this side of the screen at News 24, we
[13:30] Speaker 2: see the complications that are in and around aged care,
[13:33] Speaker 2: either for the people that are in it or the
[13:34] Speaker 2: people that will inevitably end up in it. Of course,
[13:38] Speaker 2: the point before that is people when it comes to
[13:39] Speaker 2: home care, and that's just a mess. But today, a
[13:43] Speaker 2: collection of health ministers have been trying to say the
[13:45] Speaker 2: federal government needs to pony up more cash because of
[13:48] Speaker 2: the number of people who should be in aged care
[13:51] Speaker 2: who are sitting in public hospitals. Now, as you know,
[13:55] Speaker 2: public hospitals, full to the gills, with everyone who needs
[14:00] Speaker 2: everything from a broken arm, but beds are being taken
[14:02] Speaker 2: up by people who equally deserve a bed somewhere in
[14:05] Speaker 2: an aged care facility. The reason they are there is
[14:08] Speaker 2: because of funding gaps. And the ministers are demanding.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Let's talk about Queensland specifically here because new data shows
[14:17] Speaker 2: the number of medically cleared patients in Queensland hospitals awaiting
[14:20] Speaker 2: placements in specialist aged care beds and NDIS support facilities.
[14:26] Speaker 2: It's up now to about 1,500 people since December. That
[14:31] Speaker 2: is three quarters of those people are seeking aged care.
[14:36] Speaker 2: This is 11.5% of the state's entire hospital capacity. It
[14:41] Speaker 2: costs more than $ 3 million a day, and 15 people
[14:46] Speaker 2: are waiting more than 700 days, so years, to move from, effectively,
[14:53] Speaker 2: the emergency system to the long-term care system. Now, we
[15:00] Speaker 2: can find out together whether our politicians care, and it's
[15:04] Speaker 2: good to see the state ministers trying to put pressure
[15:07] Speaker 2: in this area, but hopefully, hopefully... This is one of
[15:10] Speaker 2: those ones that can create some pressure on the decency
[15:14] Speaker 2: of everyone who makes a decision in Canberra. It is
[15:16] Speaker 2: not good for those people that are in hospital but
[15:19] Speaker 2: should be in aged care.
[15:20] Speaker 1: It is not good that the.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Hospital bed that should be available for somebody who is
[15:24] Speaker 2: recuperating from something that came in via elective surgery or
[15:28] Speaker 2: the emergency department, all of this stuff is connected. None
[15:31] Speaker 2: of this stuff is an accident. All of these things
[15:34] Speaker 2: are about choices and priorities. And what does it say
[15:38] Speaker 2: about our government's That this is what is the result
[15:41] Speaker 2: of their decisions? Well, it speaks to their lack, in
[15:44] Speaker 2: my view, of clear priorities. Instead, for the federal government,
[15:52] Speaker 2: the priority today was not accountability for any of this.
[15:54] Speaker 2: It was still keeping the temperature at boiling level in
[15:57] Speaker 2: and around Pauline Hanson. Now, I could sit here and
[15:59] Speaker 2: I could fill an entire hour, an hour of the
[16:04] Speaker 2: things that are said online about Pauline Hanson that aren't
[16:07] Speaker 2: just over the line, that are right over next to
[16:10] Speaker 2: something that the police should be investigating, let alone a
[16:12] Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff that none of us know about,
[16:16] Speaker 2: but forced her to try to ask for more security. Today,
[16:22] Speaker 2: the Labor Party is effectively victim-blaming. The victim here, in
[16:28] Speaker 2: terms of the threats, is Pauline Hanson, is One Nation.
[16:31] Speaker 1: Unbelievably, this was.
[16:32] Speaker 2: The Attorney-General of Australia today.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Rather than lowering the.
[16:37] Speaker 2: Temperature, oh, no, no, because it's their political opponents, let's
[16:41] Speaker 2: keep it nice and high.
[16:43] Speaker 10: I would suggest that Senator Hanson should examine what her
[16:48] Speaker 10: party and what her ideology and her behaviour is doing
[16:53] Speaker 10: and whether or not that is encouraging that.
[16:55] Speaker 1: Honestly, it goes on and on.
[16:57] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson was demanding an apology today from the Attorney-General
[17:00] Speaker 2: after that stuff was being said today.
[17:02] Speaker 1: But no, no, no. It's all grist for the mill,
[17:05] Speaker 1: not just one interview. Let's keep going.
[17:08] Speaker 10: When you go on the tie and you entertain some
[17:11] Speaker 10: of the individuals whom she has been entertaining, who are
[17:15] Speaker 10: not only convicted criminals, when you admit that you have
[17:19] Speaker 10: a party that has been infiltrated by extremists and neo-Nazis,
[17:23] Speaker 10: this is exactly the kind of dangers to which politicians
[17:27] Speaker 10: are being put in this country.
[17:30] Speaker 2: And can I show you something that our mate Lee Hanson,
[17:33] Speaker 2: hopefully a senator from Tasmania sometime soon, but a lady who,
[17:37] Speaker 2: of course, frequently appears on this program from Tasmania. This
[17:41] Speaker 2: is one of the threats that is just openly floating
[17:44] Speaker 2: about on the internet and seemingly no one cares. An
[17:47] Speaker 2: organisation called Muslim Retribution. Now, in fairness, they have very
[17:51] Speaker 2: few followers online, but a perfect example of what is
[17:53] Speaker 2: written in the comments section.
[17:56] Speaker 12: Unbelievable.
[17:58] Speaker 2: The only good right-wing Aussie is a dead one. The
[18:03] Speaker 2: only way to deal with far-right degenerates is to round
[18:06] Speaker 2: them up and give them what they deserve. Anyone who
[18:10] Speaker 2: votes One Nation as their supporters are admitted racist should
[18:15] Speaker 2: be targeted. There is no peace for the far-right. Now, again,
[18:21] Speaker 2: madness on the internet is not new and it is
[18:23] Speaker 2: regardless of whether it is somebody who's got five followers
[18:26] Speaker 2: or five hundred. Can I point you to the conversation
[18:29] Speaker 2: before about radicalisation that is happening right now and you
[18:33] Speaker 2: don't know from what direction it is coming? Things have
[18:36] Speaker 2: radically changed about why people are being caught, accused and
[18:43] Speaker 2: pleading guilty to the planning of violence.
[18:46] Speaker 1: It matters.
[18:47] Speaker 2: Sorry tonight's not a fun show, but this stuff really matters.
[18:53] Speaker 2: Lee Hanson writes today that enough... It's absolutely disgusting, disgraceful, un-Australian.
[18:58] Speaker 2: She continues, advocating for violence and targeting Australians because of
[19:02] Speaker 2: how they vote has crossed a very serious line.
[19:05] Speaker 1: She's correct.
[19:07] Speaker 2: This is exactly the sort of hatred and extremism that
[19:10] Speaker 2: Australians should reject, regardless of who it is directed at.
[19:14] Speaker 2: For this group or person to say that there is
[19:17] Speaker 2: no place for the far right, which I reject that reference,
[19:20] Speaker 2: but to call for death and violence is nothing but hypocrisy.
[19:25] Speaker 2: It shows us exactly where the violence and division is
[19:27] Speaker 2: coming from. And it's not conservative. So I call upon
[19:31] Speaker 2: all of the media and political parties to speak up
[19:35] Speaker 2: to stamp out this violence. Again, that was her post
[19:38] Speaker 2: on Facebook from a little bit earlier today. Now, again,
[19:43] Speaker 2: people will say, well, once you.
[19:44] Speaker 1: Elevate these things, all you're doing is adding to.
[19:46] Speaker 2: The problem, Paul.
[19:47] Speaker 4: No, no, no.
[19:47] Speaker 2: At some point, you've got to say, here is... the
[19:50] Speaker 2: example of why we think the Prime Minister goes too
[19:54] Speaker 2: far when he says some of the things that he
[19:55] Speaker 2: has been saying over the past couple of days.
[19:58] Speaker 1: Again, have a look at the comment.
[20:01] Speaker 2: Right wing, far right, far right are up there. And
[20:10] Speaker 2: I know some people are going to be very annoyed
[20:12] Speaker 2: at this, but what is the language that is used
[20:15] Speaker 2: by people who are supposedly leading this country about their
[20:19] Speaker 2: political opponents, the same language that gets used by the
[20:23] Speaker 2: crazies online?
[20:24] Speaker 4: Have a look.
[20:27] Speaker 2: Far right.
[20:27] Speaker 13: Far right.
[20:28] Speaker 12: Far right.
[20:29] Speaker 2: Far right.
[20:29] Speaker 1: Far right. This is the problem. Now, I get it.
[20:35] Speaker 2: You can absolutely despise someone politically. You know, I am
[20:39] Speaker 2: certainly no fan of certain politicians. But once we start
[20:43] Speaker 2: to get into this sort of stuff, we are way
[20:46] Speaker 2: past OK. It is behoven on any and everyone with
[20:50] Speaker 2: access to a camera, a microphone or the responsibility of
[20:53] Speaker 2: government or a member of parliament to call out the
[20:59] Speaker 2: threats of violence, not just that come their way, but
[21:01] Speaker 2: that go in other people's directions.
[21:05] Speaker 12: Again.
[21:08] Speaker 2: We get an opportunity every three years to make a
[21:10] Speaker 2: decision about whether we hire or fire politicians.
[21:13] Speaker 1: That's it.
[21:14] Speaker 2: Any further talk than that is too much. Any invocation
[21:20] Speaker 2: about things like the far right, the far right, the
[21:23] Speaker 2: far right, we owe it to history to stop them.
[21:26] Speaker 2: Michelle Obama, vote like your life depends on it. You
[21:29] Speaker 2: are raising it right up to the top, right up
[21:32] Speaker 2: to the top. And there is crazy amongst us, whether
[21:36] Speaker 2: we like it or not, There is crazy amongst us,
[21:38] Speaker 2: which is why words matter. I repeat, any threat against
[21:43] Speaker 2: any person is not acceptable, not OK. And it is
[21:48] Speaker 2: not the logical end of just disagreeing with someone. Essentially,
[21:53] Speaker 2: the dehumanising, in this case, of Hanson, One Nation, its supporters,
[21:58] Speaker 2: and anyone who disagrees with the government as far right,
[22:02] Speaker 2: is a slippery slope that none of us, none of us,
[22:06] Speaker 2: want to get involved in.
[22:09] Speaker 1: All right, change of tone a little bit here.
[22:10] Speaker 2: But when it comes to the big Australia, well, we
[22:13] Speaker 2: know it's growing at a very fast rate. My issue
[22:16] Speaker 2: is simply about the raw numbers of people. As I
[22:21] Speaker 2: just told you about aged care, we've got a problem.
[22:24] Speaker 2: There's not enough of everything for the number of people
[22:26] Speaker 2: that are here, let alone the extra numbers that get
[22:28] Speaker 2: added all the time. In fact, in the past five years,
[22:33] Speaker 2: net overseas migration, 1.4 million people. Oh, that's because of COVID. Okay,
[22:39] Speaker 2: so let's call it a million. In five years, not
[22:43] Speaker 2: 10 years, five years. And while constantly the discussion is
[22:48] Speaker 2: we need to make sure that more people, when they
[22:49] Speaker 2: come to the country, they end up going to regional.
[22:51] Speaker 1: Areas, very little of that actually happens.
[22:56] Speaker 2: As I mentioned, my frustration with all of this is
[22:59] Speaker 2: not cultural. It is simply about the infrastructure that we
[23:03] Speaker 2: currently have and whether the infrastructure that currently exists is
[23:06] Speaker 2: able to cope with the human pressure of more people
[23:09] Speaker 2: being there. But, of course, the South Australian Premier, when
[23:15] Speaker 2: he was confronted about all of this, well, he says,
[23:17] Speaker 2: we've got to keep 1.4 million people coming into the country.
[23:22] Speaker 1: Why again?
[23:23] Speaker 12: My message to One Nation voters is, who's going to
[23:32] Speaker 12: feed you and bathe you and wipe your bum when
[23:36] Speaker 12: you're 90?
[23:38] Speaker 8: Right?
[23:39] Speaker 12: Because it ain't going to be your kids.
[23:42] Speaker 1: Classy.
[23:44] Speaker 2: But the reality is, is that many of the reasons
[23:47] Speaker 2: that people are frustrated by the rate of migration that
[23:50] Speaker 2: is coming in is, again, not cultural. Again, always, anytime
[23:54] Speaker 2: you bring this up, racist, racist, racist.
[23:56] Speaker 6: No, no, no.
[23:56] Speaker 1: No, no, no.
[23:57] Speaker 2: Pay attention to what's actually being said rather than you
[23:59] Speaker 2: trying to pretend what I'm really trying to say.
[24:01] Speaker 1: No dog whistle.
[24:02] Speaker 2: You can hear it. It's about the number of people
[24:04] Speaker 2: that are going into Australia and putting pressure on what
[24:07] Speaker 2: is currently existing. Now, have a look at this. This
[24:11] Speaker 2: is the past 25 years. Now, Australia in the past
[24:14] Speaker 2: 30 years went from 18 million to 28 million people.
[24:18] Speaker 1: This is a map.
[24:20] Speaker 2: Over the past 25 years and population growth in areas
[24:23] Speaker 2: of Sydney. The population of Camden since 2001 has gone
[24:27] Speaker 2: from 45,000 to 146,000 people. That's the dark blue in
[24:28] Speaker 2: the middle towards.
[24:29] Speaker 1: The bottom of the screen.
[24:29] Speaker 2: Blacktown from 263,000 to 449,000. Blacktown hasn't grown outwards, it's
[24:32] Speaker 2: had to go upwards. The Wollondilly Shire, 38,000 has now
[24:34] Speaker 2: become 62,000.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Melbourne, have a look at this.
[24:53] Speaker 2: As you can see on the far left of your screen,
[24:56] Speaker 2: Melton City has gone from 52,000 people in 2001 to
[24:59] Speaker 2: 231,000 people.
[24:59] Speaker 1: That's in one local government area. Wyndham City, 86,000 to 347.
[25:02] Speaker 2: The shires and council areas have not grown outwards, they
[25:05] Speaker 2: are growing upwards. Casey City, on the other side of town, 180,000,
[25:19] Speaker 2: to 414,000 people in one local government area. In Brisbane, Ipswich,
[25:22] Speaker 2: Ippy's gone from 123,000 to now 268,000 people, more than
[25:24] Speaker 2: double the population.
[25:26] Speaker 1: Moreton Bay, 283,000, double 532,000.
[25:45] Speaker 2: Logan, which of course is where the Treasurer represents, 234,000
[25:50] Speaker 2: up to 403,000 people. Now, you can tell me, oh,
[25:56] Speaker 2: they're mentioning the data and pointing to the problem and
[25:58] Speaker 2: try and tell me what I'm actually trying to say.
[26:00] Speaker 2: What I am actually saying is the roads, the schools,
[26:06] Speaker 2: the hospitals cannot cope. Does anyone believe in any of
[26:09] Speaker 2: those areas in the past 20 years, four new hospitals
[26:12] Speaker 2: popped up?
[26:13] Speaker 12: No.
[26:13] Speaker 14: No.
[26:14] Speaker 2: They barely keep up with the demand of 2001, let
[26:16] Speaker 2: alone 2026. And a perfect example of too many people
[26:22] Speaker 2: being pushed into a system that, because of the priorities
[26:26] Speaker 2: of government, results in too many people who should be
[26:28] Speaker 2: moving out of hospital, moving into aged care, that people
[26:31] Speaker 2: who should be going into hospital instead are sitting in
[26:34] Speaker 2: emergency departments for days and then they just leave. This
[26:39] Speaker 2: is a story written by the Sydney Morning Herald about
[26:41] Speaker 2: a bloke called Victor. He spent three nights waiting in
[26:44] Speaker 2: Bankstown's emergency department. His left leg had swollen almost double
[26:49] Speaker 2: its size. He was barely able to walk. The 70-year-old
[26:52] Speaker 2: was sent to the emergency department by his GP, who
[26:55] Speaker 2: immediately saw the potential red flags. He spent last Friday
[27:00] Speaker 2: night on a hard chair in the hospital's public reception
[27:02] Speaker 2: area as other patients slept on the floor. This is
[27:06] Speaker 2: Australia in 2026. He spent the next two nights on
[27:12] Speaker 2: a chair that reclined, but not enough to sleep. It
[27:15] Speaker 2: was like a halfway house, he says. We're not in
[27:17] Speaker 2: the third world. By Monday evening, his fourth night in emergency,
[27:23] Speaker 2: he was told there simply weren't enough beds.
[27:27] Speaker 1: They gave us an.
[27:27] Speaker 2: Option to either stay there in those chairs or go home.
[27:31] Speaker 2: He chose to go home. Thankfully, he's still with us.
[27:35] Speaker 2: This is the problem. This is why Australians are angry.
[27:39] Speaker 2: This is why we have had enough of the lies,
[27:42] Speaker 2: the gaslighting and the BS of a government who leaves
[27:47] Speaker 2: the doors as wide open as possible because it's the
[27:50] Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme to create more taxpayers as they grow the
[27:56] Speaker 2: size of government to deal with the size of population
[27:58] Speaker 2: to build the triangle of dependence where no one rocks
[28:01] Speaker 2: the boat. These are choices. And when they result in
[28:06] Speaker 2: the citizens of this country going to their GP and
[28:10] Speaker 2: their GP saying, mate, you should go to hospital, and
[28:12] Speaker 2: four nights later you are still in emergency, something's very wrong.
[28:18] Speaker 2: When 10% of the hospital beds in Queensland are currently
[28:22] Speaker 2: being filled by people who shouldn't be there because they
[28:25] Speaker 2: don't need to be there for the emergency reason they
[28:27] Speaker 2: turned up, instead they should be going into aged care,
[28:29] Speaker 2: but there's not enough spots.
[28:33] Speaker 1: We pay attention.
[28:33] Speaker 2: You pay attention. Sometimes it breaks your heart.
[28:36] Speaker 1: But we fight. We fight. We focus and we fight again.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Quick break. Plenty to talk about here on Paul Murray Live,
[28:44] Speaker 1: including more evidence.
[28:44] Speaker 2: About the Australian housing market starting to dip and dip hard.
[28:48] Speaker 2: But according to the opinion polls, that's fine with people.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Really? Really?
[28:53] Speaker 13: More in a sec.
[28:58] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for watching tonight. Remember, everything is
[29:00] Speaker 2: on our website, news24. com. au. And in a couple of minutes' time,
[29:04] Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to meet, I can't wait
[29:06] Speaker 2: for you to meet the most fired-up.
[29:07] Speaker 1: Grandfather in all of Australia.
[29:09] Speaker 2: He's so proud of his grandson, and his grandson's doing
[29:11] Speaker 2: something amazing, amazing for kids in the bush. You can
[29:14] Speaker 2: do your bit to help them in a couple of minutes' time.
[29:16] Speaker 2: In the meantime, always here to help is Stephen Connery,
[29:18] Speaker 2: of course, the legendary Labor Minister, whose phone is only
[29:22] Speaker 2: ever ringing with people who need help. Carlos Quaremba is
[29:25] Speaker 2: also always here to help, of course, One Nation Upper
[29:28] Speaker 2: House MP. So, let's talk about, again, another prediction about
[29:32] Speaker 2: where the housing market goes in the next little while. Stephen, Look,
[29:36] Speaker 2: we'll all find out together and we all know there's
[29:38] Speaker 2: a whole collection of reasons.
[29:40] Speaker 1: Why the market is where it is.
[29:41] Speaker 2: Obviously, the biggest policy change has been the government and
[29:45] Speaker 2: the taxation stuff.
[29:46] Speaker 1: But Are you... I'm just disbelieving.
[29:51] Speaker 2: Frankly, about the polls that say people are fine with
[29:53] Speaker 2: house prices falling because it's all fine in abstract until
[29:57] Speaker 2: you have to sell your house. And I'm pretty sure
[30:00] Speaker 2: most people aren't cool with their joint being sold for
[30:03] Speaker 2: less than either they think it's worth or less than
[30:06] Speaker 2: what they may need in some very small but still
[30:09] Speaker 2: theoretical cases.
[30:11] Speaker 6: That's all. The problem is the theory suggests everybody's trying
[30:15] Speaker 6: to sell. And, look, I don't know. I'll pluck a number. 80%
[30:19] Speaker 6: of Australians are looking not to sell at any given moment.
[30:22] Speaker 6: It could be 90%. So it could be 10% are
[30:24] Speaker 6: looking to sell or 20%. Or 10% who have to
[30:27] Speaker 6: because it all falls apart.
[30:29] Speaker 1: It does happen.
[30:31] Speaker 6: Yeah, it does happen. But the point is when you
[30:33] Speaker 6: say you don't understand the polls, it's because the vast
[30:37] Speaker 6: majority of people aren't looking to sell the house. So
[30:41] Speaker 6: it's just like, okay, value of my house isn't what
[30:45] Speaker 6: it was yesterday. it only impacts me if I'm looking
[30:49] Speaker 6: to sell. And if you've, you know, this is where
[30:52] Speaker 6: you get into the argument about, you know, first homeowners,
[30:54] Speaker 6: you know, suddenly they've got negative.
[30:56] Speaker 1: Equity, all that rubbish.
[30:57] Speaker 6: It's based on the situation that they're not selling their house.
[31:01] Speaker 6: You just bought a house a year ago. It might
[31:03] Speaker 6: not be worth what you paid for it a year ago,
[31:05] Speaker 6: but you took a 30-year mortgage on it because you're
[31:07] Speaker 6: not planning on selling it. any time in the near future.
[31:11] Speaker 6: So it becomes a theoretical scare campaign, which when people
[31:15] Speaker 6: are being asked about it go, yeah, I don't mind.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.
[31:18] Speaker 6: It probably means that my kids can buy in cheaper.
[31:22] Speaker 1: Perhaps my paranoia sits in here as a person who.
[31:25] Speaker 2: was lucky enough to be able to borrow for a
[31:28] Speaker 2: very lovely home, but is an industry where at any
[31:31] Speaker 2: moment anything could change, go the other way, and I
[31:34] Speaker 2: may at a moment have to sell. Anyway, so that's
[31:37] Speaker 2: why always theoretically it sits there. But again, that's the
[31:40] Speaker 2: joy of lots of people when it comes to work.
[31:42] Speaker 1: That's it. I plan to be here for a long time.
[31:43] Speaker 1: I expect to be here too. So we'll pay the
[31:45] Speaker 1: house off twice. Fingers crossed.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Now, Carlos, I want to talk about, obviously, the results,
[31:50] Speaker 2: Secret Harbour, One Nation, Storming. At the state political level,
[31:53] Speaker 2: we all know what happened in South Australia. So after
[31:57] Speaker 2: seeing Secret Harbour, were there any lessons about demographics, type
[32:01] Speaker 2: of seat, all the rest of it that you've been
[32:03] Speaker 2: able to marry in the past few days with what
[32:05] Speaker 2: you did in South Australia to give us an idea
[32:08] Speaker 2: of how hard you might be able to hit Victoria
[32:10] Speaker 2: when it comes up in just a couple of months' time, November?
[32:15] Speaker 15: Well, Paul, it's actually interesting because this was not a
[32:18] Speaker 15: Liberal seat. This was actually a Labor seat and it's
[32:20] Speaker 15: been a Labor seat forever and a day. So I
[32:22] Speaker 15: think this sends a clear message to the guys in
[32:24] Speaker 15: Victoria that every seat's up for grabs. Work hard, connect
[32:28] Speaker 15: with the people and you're in with a chance.
[32:31] Speaker 2: So give us an idea about, again, Stephen, the concerns
[32:36] Speaker 2: that are there in the public polling. Do you think
[32:39] Speaker 2: that there is, it's theoretical, or we're starting to move
[32:43] Speaker 2: into potential, or are we starting to move into probable,
[32:47] Speaker 2: that there is going to be a Labor seat, at
[32:49] Speaker 2: least one, that falls to One Nation in Victoria?
[32:53] Speaker 6: I've got no doubt that the One Nation will win
[32:56] Speaker 6: seats off Labor as well as the Liberals. They could,
[33:01] Speaker 6: you know, depending on, and I'll be boring in a
[33:03] Speaker 6: second for the viewers, but depending on exactly how it falls,
[33:06] Speaker 6: it could be between five and 30 seats. And the
[33:10] Speaker 6: reason it's such a wide margin is, let's say the
[33:15] Speaker 6: statewide average for One Nation is 21%, but the statewide
[33:20] Speaker 6: average for the Liberals is 28%. What that means is
[33:25] Speaker 6: that One Nation come in third. Liberals get to be
[33:28] Speaker 6: second in most seats. One Nation gets to be third.
[33:31] Speaker 6: Or the Liberals get to be first and Labor second
[33:33] Speaker 6: and One Nation third. But what really matters is who's
[33:36] Speaker 6: going to finish above each other between the Liberals and
[33:39] Speaker 6: One Nation. So if One Nation are only 21, they'll
[33:42] Speaker 6: probably run third in a lot of seats. They're still
[33:44] Speaker 6: going to win seats. But the majority of the seats,
[33:48] Speaker 6: One Nation will elect the Liberal Party. Whereas if, say,
[33:51] Speaker 6: One Nation in Victoria is sitting on 25%, that means
[33:55] Speaker 6: the Libs will be down a bit. But in the
[33:56] Speaker 6: individual seats, it will mean a lot more times across
[34:01] Speaker 6: the state. One Nation will finish above the Liberal Party.
[34:04] Speaker 6: And the Liberals will be eliminated and they'll elect One Nation.
[34:08] Speaker 6: So the reason there's such a wide variance, 5-30, you know,
[34:11] Speaker 6: that doesn't make sense, is because it really will depend.
[34:14] Speaker 6: And it's the first time we've ever seen a situation
[34:16] Speaker 6: like this in my living memory. where there's a third,
[34:20] Speaker 6: a third, a third, Labor, Liberal and One Nation. So
[34:24] Speaker 6: where Liberal and Labor, Liberal and One Nation finish will
[34:28] Speaker 6: determine probably 20 seats. that they would win or that
[34:33] Speaker 6: the One Nation will win. That's why there's such a margin.
[34:36] Speaker 6: Apologies for being really boring for your viewers.
[34:38] Speaker 1: There, Paul. Not at all. Not at all. I love
[34:40] Speaker 1: when we get to go through and work out.
[34:42] Speaker 2: Because this is it. Like, if everyone turns up on
[34:45] Speaker 2: grand final day, like they will for an election, right,
[34:48] Speaker 2: I want people to be able to know what is
[34:50] Speaker 2: happening and why it is happening, right?
[34:52] Speaker 1: This all matters. It really matters.
[34:53] Speaker 2: And certainly this audience absolutely loves the detail. Carlos, I
[34:56] Speaker 2: want to talk about data centres. Donald Trump has turned
[34:59] Speaker 2: around and basically said that, you know, If you're not
[35:02] Speaker 2: pro data centres, then you're somebody who's kind of not
[35:04] Speaker 2: with it and going backwards. I've got to say, and
[35:07] Speaker 2: I've owned this, for all the things that I have
[35:09] Speaker 2: a very stern opinion on, I don't have one about
[35:12] Speaker 2: data centres, which is not me with one, you know,
[35:15] Speaker 2: getting splinters. It's that I just literally, every time you
[35:18] Speaker 2: end up listening to something, you go one way, read something,
[35:21] Speaker 2: you go another way here. What's your view about data
[35:25] Speaker 2: centres and how many of them should be popping up
[35:28] Speaker 2: all over South Australia?
[35:30] Speaker 15: Yeah, look, Paul, it's really interesting because we're looking at
[35:32] Speaker 15: this at the moment and our government's been really quick
[35:35] Speaker 15: to rush into this and now the Premier's decided to
[35:38] Speaker 15: call a Royal Commission into AI, but not data centres.
[35:42] Speaker 15: And the irony is here, these things rely on a
[35:45] Speaker 15: lot of dispatchable power, which... where we have the highest
[35:48] Speaker 15: concentration of renewables in the country which is the most
[35:51] Speaker 15: expensive power and we also the driest state in the
[35:54] Speaker 15: driest continent so I don't know you know square that
[35:57] Speaker 15: round hole I've got no idea how this is going
[35:59] Speaker 15: to work in South Australia but we're going to look
[36:01] Speaker 15: into it and we've got to make sure that our
[36:03] Speaker 15: regional communities where a lot of these things are going
[36:05] Speaker 15: to pop up obviously that's who bears the brunt of
[36:07] Speaker 15: a lot of this stuff is not worse off so
[36:09] Speaker 15: we're looking at that legislation closely at the moment but
[36:12] Speaker 15: a lot of consultation at the moment but I just
[36:14] Speaker 15: don't see how we're going to have enough power off
[36:17] Speaker 15: renewables to charge these things.
[36:18] Speaker 6: I really don't.
[36:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, of course, the whole AI in
[36:22] Speaker 2: and around that announcement from the government was, well, they
[36:25] Speaker 2: have to pay for the power that they use. But
[36:28] Speaker 2: then that agreement was kind of blown up. pretty quickly
[36:31] Speaker 2: after not being able to get all of the states
[36:32] Speaker 2: and territories to agree. Stephen, have you formed a view
[36:36] Speaker 2: on this? Because we all know that the power of computing,
[36:39] Speaker 2: the power of quantum computing, the power of the cloud,
[36:42] Speaker 2: and the cloud is not actually something that doesn't exist.
[36:44] Speaker 2: It requires something to be built at a physical location, right?
[36:48] Speaker 2: And that is where the data centre exists. So I
[36:51] Speaker 2: get that this is part of the engineering of the future.
[36:54] Speaker 2: Like everyone, you just want to make sure that it's
[36:57] Speaker 2: in the right place and that there are plans afoot.
[37:01] Speaker 2: But Trump seems to be foot down, go all the way,
[37:04] Speaker 2: but there are plenty of Republicans who are saying in
[37:07] Speaker 2: their areas they don't want it. There are lots of
[37:09] Speaker 2: Democrats saying it as well. So it's well and truly
[37:12] Speaker 2: good for the President to have a view. He's not
[37:14] Speaker 2: up for election ever again.
[37:16] Speaker 6: Yeah, Noel, I was watching CNN the other day and
[37:19] Speaker 6: the banner headline across the bottom said Texas.
[37:24] Speaker 6: Being flipped over a data centre debate.
[37:27] Speaker 16: Yep.
[37:28] Speaker 6: Like when you're watching a headline like that.
[37:29] Speaker 1: You're going, wow.
[37:30] Speaker 6: So, look, this is one of those issues which touches
[37:33] Speaker 6: people in their homes, on their streets. I mean, I
[37:36] Speaker 6: was just looking at today's Herald Sun and there's an
[37:39] Speaker 6: article about a data centre being built relatively close to
[37:45] Speaker 6: a kindergarten. And right next to that kindergarten is the
[37:49] Speaker 6: golf course I play. So it touches... people intimately in
[37:55] Speaker 6: their own personal lives. But it also stretches all the
[37:59] Speaker 6: way up to what is becoming a AI race between
[38:05] Speaker 6: the West and mostly the US and China. There are
[38:09] Speaker 6: only going to be two sources of AI coding, if
[38:13] Speaker 6: I could just boil it down to a simple phrase
[38:15] Speaker 6: like that. And to power that race, data centers are essential.
[38:21] Speaker 6: So If you look at that international global aspect and
[38:28] Speaker 6: on the ground, you've got to find a way to
[38:29] Speaker 6: get this right. We're going to need them for national sovereignty,
[38:33] Speaker 6: national self-reliance, and to be part of, essentially, the Western
[38:38] Speaker 6: US side of this debate. But there is already, if
[38:43] Speaker 6: you look at the UK, you look at the US,
[38:46] Speaker 6: there's a massive backlash because of the way it's being done,
[38:50] Speaker 6: the lack of.
[38:53] Speaker 6: You know, safeguards, rails, whatever word you want to use
[38:57] Speaker 6: to make sure you've got, as Victor just said, the water,
[39:00] Speaker 6: the power. You've got to have those as part of
[39:03] Speaker 6: the package. Otherwise, you will see banner headlines like, you know,
[39:08] Speaker 6: election data centres, massive issue.
[39:11] Speaker 1: Incredible.
[39:13] Speaker 6: That has got to be done right.
[39:15] Speaker 2: Well, flipping Texas and certainly one of the issues that
[39:17] Speaker 2: we'll see going into Victoria. Carlos, thank you so much.
[39:19] Speaker 2: Stephen as well, do appreciate it.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Apologies, Carlos.
[39:23] Speaker 6: I called you Victor.
[39:24] Speaker 12: Oh, good.
[39:24] Speaker 6: That's my first time with you.
[39:26] Speaker 1: Plenty of good Victors around.
[39:27] Speaker 2: Oh you were very well-mannered both of you more fighting
[39:30] Speaker 2: next time please all right quick break back with more
[39:32] Speaker 2: a grandfather is so proud of his uh of his
[39:35] Speaker 2: kid unbelievable dusty is going to try to go walking
[39:39] Speaker 2: 500ks he's eventually going to meet the prime minister how
[39:42] Speaker 2: you can help him from home next I love taking
[39:51] Speaker 2: a moment or two to celebrate good people doing good
[39:54] Speaker 2: things and the perfect example of that tonight is a
[39:57] Speaker 2: little boy named Dusty. Dusty Langby is 12 years old.
[40:01] Speaker 2: We told you about him last night. We learned about
[40:03] Speaker 2: him in the Bush Summit last week and he is
[40:06] Speaker 2: walking 500 kilometres to raise some money for paediatric services
[40:11] Speaker 2: for kids like him.
[40:13] Speaker 1: Who live in regional Australia.
[40:14] Speaker 2: Here's a little bit because he started his journey to
[40:17] Speaker 2: Canberra today.
[40:19] Speaker 14: Shoes on and ready for the long road ahead. 12-year-old
[40:23] Speaker 14: Dusty Langby is walking from Warrant to Canberra to bring
[40:26] Speaker 14: paediatric care to the bush.
[40:28] Speaker 12: I just wanted to help all the kids out in
[40:30] Speaker 12: the regional area and I just want to help.
[40:34] Speaker 6: I just want to help.
[40:35] Speaker 14: The idea came to him after Little Wings helped his
[40:37] Speaker 14: own family get to specialist appointments in Sydney. He's since
[40:41] Speaker 14: been training after school to get ready for the punishing
[40:43] Speaker 14: 16-day trek.
[40:45] Speaker 4: I've been doing around.
[40:48] Speaker 7: 10Ks a day because after school.
[40:50] Speaker 6: When I get off the bus.
[40:52] Speaker 1: What an absolute champion.
[40:54] Speaker 2: Now, Little Wings, as you heard, is this service that's
[40:56] Speaker 2: able to get kids to appointments, operations, all the rest
[41:00] Speaker 2: of it, right around regional Australia. His focus, of course,
[41:04] Speaker 2: is regional New South Wales and I'm very pleased to
[41:06] Speaker 2: say that Andrew Bailey is joining us now from Little
[41:09] Speaker 2: Wings and his grandfather, Fred, is joining us as well
[41:12] Speaker 2: because it's very late at night, so no 12-year-olds on
[41:15] Speaker 2: TV and mum's tired after the first date.
[41:17] Speaker 1: Lads, lovely to see you.
[41:20] Speaker 13: Lovely to see you, Paul. G'day, Paul. So, Fred.
[41:23] Speaker 2: Look, obviously, we love all our grandchildren and we're proud
[41:26] Speaker 2: of everything they're doing, but, jeez, he's got to be
[41:28] Speaker 2: top of the list tonight, right? How do you feel
[41:30] Speaker 2: about this little boy doing this, not just for himself,
[41:34] Speaker 2: but doing it for mates and kids he's never met?
[41:37] Speaker 13: Mate, he's exceptional. He's the first grandson. He's always been special.
[41:41] Speaker 4: Since his father had an accident nine years ago, he
[41:45] Speaker 4: has led his family.
[41:46] Speaker 13: From the start. Exceptional kid.
[41:50] Speaker 4: Aged a lot older than he really is and he's
[41:53] Speaker 4: taking this journey on.
[41:57] Speaker 1: Not at ease.
[41:58] Speaker 4: He's had some emotional moments, but he knows what he's
[42:00] Speaker 4: doing and he's doing it for the right reasons.
[42:02] Speaker 1: How's he been able to psych himself up?
[42:03] Speaker 2: Because he tells us, as you said, that he's been
[42:05] Speaker 2: doing the 10Ks after school, but obviously 500Ks is a
[42:10] Speaker 2: huge amount of time. How's he been psyching himself up?
[42:15] Speaker 4: He's always, in his very first interview, he always said,
[42:19] Speaker 4: even when he fights with his mum and he's doing it.
[42:22] Speaker 13: For the kids. So he knows the reason he's doing it.
[42:25] Speaker 4: Sometimes he may lose it because of his age, but
[42:29] Speaker 4: it's amazing. Even with his mum, um, like tonight that
[42:34] Speaker 4: the girls hurt, you know, they're not professional athletes. They're
[42:37] Speaker 4: nurses supporting a little 12 year old boy for a reason. And, um,
[42:43] Speaker 4: They reset and they bounce back the next morning. This
[42:46] Speaker 4: is actually day three. So they're actually– they were hurting.
[42:51] Speaker 4: They went to bed early. But they'll bounce that back tomorrow.
[42:56] Speaker 4: The challenge is they're starting to hit the hills tomorrow.
[42:58] Speaker 4: And if you've ever been to Warren, it's not a
[43:01] Speaker 4: hill near our place. So they're flat track champions. So
[43:05] Speaker 4: they will be challenged. But they know what they're doing,
[43:08] Speaker 4: and they're doing it for their reason. And, you know,
[43:11] Speaker 4: there will be some.
[43:12] Speaker 13: Tears, but– We do each day at a time. I mean,
[43:16] Speaker 13: Little Wings is such a fantastic organisation.
[43:20] Speaker 4: And from the top to the bottom, there'd be nothing
[43:22] Speaker 4: but support for the guys. The rural community has been exceptional.
[43:27] Speaker 4: The kids come into the roads, people's coming up and
[43:30] Speaker 4: giving them money on the side of the road. I
[43:33] Speaker 4: really hope that the government matches what the Ebbets, the boys,
[43:37] Speaker 4: the kids are doing because it's exceptional.
[43:40] Speaker 13: They set a really big target. But the bigger we get.
[43:45] Speaker 4: Or the more exposure we get, the further in the
[43:47] Speaker 4: journey it's becoming realistic. You know, it's like they've cracked
[43:51] Speaker 4: 200,000 tonight in earnings. I think he's got like 6,500
[43:56] Speaker 4: followers on Facebook. He's got multiple things happening with raffles
[44:00] Speaker 4: and stuff happening. It's a big thing. It's way above him.
[44:04] Speaker 4: But he knows he's the focal point. I shook his
[44:08] Speaker 4: hand last night in Narramine.
[44:09] Speaker 13: He said, I said, how many handsakes did you do today, Dustin?
[44:12] Speaker 13: He said, 300. He said, but now you're 301 and top.
[44:16] Speaker 13: And he's embracing it. We're seeing him grow in it.
[44:19] Speaker 13: It's really good.
[44:20] Speaker 2: If he gets a little wobbly over the next couple
[44:22] Speaker 2: of days, tell him. There's a fat bloke in the
[44:24] Speaker 2: man cave that you spoke to last night, 120 kilos
[44:27] Speaker 2: behind him, all the way up the hill, supporting as
[44:30] Speaker 2: well as so many people that are watching us right now. Andrew,
[44:33] Speaker 2: Little Wings, the cause, well, it sells itself, but we're
[44:37] Speaker 2: going to remind people about what you do because I'm
[44:39] Speaker 2: going to get everyone behind this with the donate page
[44:42] Speaker 2: in a second here, but let's tell us about the
[44:45] Speaker 2: type of cause that he's raising money for.
[44:48] Speaker 16: Well, Little Wings is magic because it's 90% volunteer-led. And
[44:53] Speaker 16: all the pilots and all the drivers are volunteers. And
[44:57] Speaker 16: what's happening at the moment is that we're organising doctors,
[45:00] Speaker 16: paediatricians to fly out to the regions. We've set up
[45:03] Speaker 16: five clinics just in the last 18 months.
[45:05] Speaker 13: Around Central West. And we've got 12 clinics.
[45:08] Speaker 16: Country towns just around this area alone that just need paediatricians.
[45:11] Speaker 16: So what Dusty is doing right now is truly inspiring
[45:15] Speaker 16: and helping us raise the funds to be able to
[45:17] Speaker 16: transport these paediatricians out to the port on a monthly
[45:20] Speaker 16: and regular basis, ongoing basis.
[45:22] Speaker 13: And that's what they need.
[45:23] Speaker 1: Good man. They just need to be.
[45:24] Speaker 16: Able to see, not the doctors just one time, they
[45:27] Speaker 16: need to see them ongoing.
[45:28] Speaker 13: And that's what every community needs.
[45:30] Speaker 6: They need secure.
[45:32] Speaker 13: access to health care. Paul, I spoke to a Little
[45:36] Speaker 13: Wings doctor yesterday, paediatrician. Dr Nick. Dr Nick.
[45:39] Speaker 4: He was in Trangie, or that was the day before.
[45:42] Speaker 4: He was in Trangie, and one of the local people
[45:46] Speaker 4: asked him, said, how many kids out here could see
[45:50] Speaker 4: their local GP and not you?
[45:51] Speaker 13: He said, none.
[45:52] Speaker 4: He said, little kids need specialist help. So it's a
[45:58] Speaker 4: service that we need in the bush. The kids don't
[46:01] Speaker 4: choose to live in the bush. The kids live here
[46:03] Speaker 4: because that's where their parents live. So we need to
[46:05] Speaker 4: provide the same services to our kids out here as
[46:09] Speaker 4: we do in the city. And sometimes we miss that
[46:12] Speaker 4: because our vote points aren't as high as they are
[46:14] Speaker 4: in the city. So, you know, we are vital to
[46:18] Speaker 4: this country. And, you know, we'll do the heavy lifting
[46:21] Speaker 4: we always have. But, you know, supporting Little Wings is awesome.
[46:25] Speaker 4: And I truly appreciate everything Andrew and Claire and the
[46:30] Speaker 4: whole team at Little Wings has done supporting Dusty in
[46:33] Speaker 4: his cause.
[46:34] Speaker 2: You are a fantastic, fantastic advocate for the cause as
[46:38] Speaker 2: well as, of course, for your little grandson. So here's
[46:41] Speaker 2: the pitch. You never know who's watching. There might be
[46:44] Speaker 2: somebody who can take you all the way to the
[46:45] Speaker 2: million or people that can take you $ 5 at a time.
[46:48] Speaker 2: Here is how you can give. It is on the
[46:51] Speaker 2: website that you can see right there.
[46:54] Speaker 1: They're at about $ 200, 000. Let's push it higher. and as
[46:57] Speaker 1: far as we possibly can, all right?
[46:58] Speaker 2: GiveNow.com.au forward slash dollar4dusty. GiveNow.com.au forward slash dollar4dusty. Fred, Andrew
[47:07] Speaker 2: and Lee, love you to talk to you. Give them
[47:09] Speaker 2: a hug and wish him nothing but the best for
[47:11] Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. I think we're going to
[47:13] Speaker 2: check in again before you're done. Strength and love to
[47:15] Speaker 2: you all, guys.
[47:15] Speaker 1: Well done.
[47:16] Speaker 13: You're welcome, Paul. Thank you. Have a great time.
[47:19] Speaker 1: See you later.
[47:20] Speaker 2: What a cause. What a great little Aussie. Dusty is
[47:23] Speaker 2: about to hit the hills tomorrow. Let's all get in
[47:25] Speaker 2: behind him. That's the website. I'll make sure it's up on.
[47:27] Speaker 1: My socials as well. Just go searching for Paul Murray
[47:29] Speaker 1: Live on Facebook. Quick break. Back with more here on
[47:33] Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live on News 24 this Tuesday night.
[47:41] Speaker 2: Alright, now, you work hard, we all pay too much tax.
[47:43] Speaker 2: The politicians, well, they don't care how hard you work
[47:46] Speaker 2: because they've got to do hard work making crap social
[47:49] Speaker 2: media videos like this one, the Labor member for Gorton,
[47:53] Speaker 2: with five things about your money.
[47:57] Speaker 10: Concert tickets, sports merch, PBS medicines, road upgrades and.
[48:01] Speaker 2: good coffee. But not the staffer to make crap social
[48:07] Speaker 2: media videos like that.
[48:08] Speaker 1: So humble.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Sarah Whitty is the Labor member for Melbourne.
[48:11] Speaker 10: Hi, it's time for Friday Fit Check again.
[48:15] Speaker 13: And on Monday, what was I thinking?
[48:19] Speaker 14: I don't know what I was thinking.
[48:20] Speaker 6: $ 159 million in extra staffers, by the way, over a
[48:25] Speaker 6: few years to.
[48:26] Speaker 1: Specifically help them with social media. And then there's our
[48:30] Speaker 1: old mate Chris Bowen.
[48:32] Speaker 6: Enjoy.
[48:32] Speaker 14: Enjoy.
[48:33] Speaker 3: Probably heard people say EVs are just for the inner cities.
[48:36] Speaker 6: Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the
[48:38] Speaker 6: suburbs with.
[48:39] Speaker 15: The highest EV take-up are here where I live and
[48:42] Speaker 15: work in Western Sydney.
[48:45] Speaker 1: I live and work in Western Sydney. That's what they
[48:49] Speaker 1: did while you were working. Here's the late debate. See
[48:51] Speaker 1: you tomorrow.

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