# Paul Murray Live | 7 December

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 7 Dec 2025, 47 min.

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More than 50 bushfires burn in New South Wales as almost a dozen homes are destroyed, One Nation vote surges as Coalition vote crashes to record low. Plus, Anthony Albanese defends decision to sign off on taxpayer funds for Anika Wells and staff. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray Live. Hello,
[0:06] Speaker 1: Happy Sunday, Come on into the man cave. Lots of
[0:09] Speaker 1: work to do tonight, and I am so excited to
[0:11] Speaker 1: be as always on a Sunday night to get the
[0:13] Speaker 1: first bite at what is going to be a very
[0:16] Speaker 1: big and potentially bad week for the government. Why because
[0:20] Speaker 1: the Minister for Freebies is getting caught out day after
[0:23] Speaker 1: day after day, Anika Wells is digging a hole deeper
[0:27] Speaker 1: for herself. Well wait till I tell you about a
[0:29] Speaker 1: whole bunch of ones that nobody is talking about. But
[0:31] Speaker 1: I have the paperwork to show what she has been
[0:34] Speaker 1: given in freebies over the years. We'll get to that.
[0:37] Speaker 1: In a second. New poll confirms what we have known
[0:40] Speaker 1: thus far, one nation, surging liberal party in a world
[0:44] Speaker 1: of trouble, or confirm that and show you that pole
[0:46] Speaker 1: in a moment or two. Is time, And jeez, I
[0:48] Speaker 1: hope by this time tomorrow night I'm talking about world
[0:50] Speaker 1: Champion Oscar Piastre. Probably not though, because of course Max
[0:55] Speaker 1: for Stappan is first in Abu Dhabi currently in qualifying,
[0:59] Speaker 1: then Land though then Oscar. For Oscar to be the
[1:03] Speaker 1: world champion has to win the race and Lando has
[1:06] Speaker 1: to finish fifth. Who knows, weird things happen. It is
[1:09] Speaker 1: formula one. Looking forward to all of that now. As
[1:11] Speaker 1: always we send strength and love at times of difficulty
[1:15] Speaker 1: to people all around the country, and our focus has
[1:17] Speaker 1: to be the central coast of New South Wales. What
[1:19] Speaker 1: are weekend from Saturday afternoon? And who knows how this
[1:23] Speaker 1: thing started, but it was very hot, very windy, and
[1:25] Speaker 1: we all know that means a world of trouble when
[1:27] Speaker 1: it comes to bushfires. More than a dozen homes have
[1:31] Speaker 1: been completely destroyed. A few have made it through. But
[1:34] Speaker 1: this is a little inlet which is on the opposite
[1:37] Speaker 1: side of the water to woy Woy, not too far
[1:40] Speaker 1: from Gossip. If you know your central coast of New
[1:43] Speaker 1: South Wales, and here are the locals that have been
[1:44] Speaker 1: doing it tough this weekend. Well down I could hear
[1:48] Speaker 1: it crackling away.
[1:49] Speaker 2: I've just woke up around about nine o'clock, had a
[1:51] Speaker 2: bit of a sleep in and went up the hill
[1:54] Speaker 2: behind our house and saw fire too close for comfidence.
[1:57] Speaker 2: When the helicopters and the big ones were coming over,
[1:59] Speaker 2: the whole house was shaking.
[2:01] Speaker 1: It is frightening the weather was pretty bad over the
[2:04] Speaker 1: past couple of days, as if it was the absolute
[2:06] Speaker 1: height of summer, not just the first week of summer.
[2:09] Speaker 1: For the officials, they are still dealing with multiple situations
[2:13] Speaker 1: across the state, but in particular the central coast. Here's
[2:16] Speaker 1: the latest they gave us.
[2:18] Speaker 3: We all need to know that fires will continue to start,
[2:21] Speaker 3: whether that's from lightning or from other activities throughout this summer.
[2:25] Speaker 1: Now the other activities, remember, it can be everything like
[2:28] Speaker 1: a cigarette, but of course it can be idiots that
[2:30] Speaker 1: are actually deliberately lighting. It can be sparks from power tools.
[2:35] Speaker 1: It can be even the heat from underneath the car.
[2:37] Speaker 1: So you know that if you live in these high
[2:40] Speaker 1: fire zones, you know that. But if you're visiting any
[2:42] Speaker 1: of these places, or you're going there for a holiday
[2:44] Speaker 1: in the next few weeks, or visiting family, all of
[2:46] Speaker 1: those things can contribute on top of high winds and
[2:50] Speaker 1: power lines and a whole collection of other things. But
[2:54] Speaker 1: once a fire starts, there are things that we know
[2:58] Speaker 1: make things worse. Now we know that the high wind
[3:01] Speaker 1: makes things worse. We know that a super hot day
[3:04] Speaker 1: can make things worse. We also know that the topography
[3:09] Speaker 1: of the site can make things worse. But one thing
[3:13] Speaker 1: that it is heresy to say, but you all know
[3:15] Speaker 1: to be the truth, is have we cleaned up enough
[3:19] Speaker 1: of the bush in the areas where fire could destroy
[3:23] Speaker 1: lives and ruin homes. Well, there is one person that
[3:27] Speaker 1: is willing to say in and around this community on
[3:30] Speaker 1: the central coast of New South Wales that there was
[3:34] Speaker 1: fuel to this fire, fuel that should have been dealt with.
[3:38] Speaker 1: But like so much of the country, it has been
[3:42] Speaker 1: left untouched for decades. I've got thirty years of leaf
[3:48] Speaker 1: litter sitting up there thirty years. Now. Again, when people
[3:54] Speaker 1: are trying to work out hazard reduction, perhaps a national park,
[3:58] Speaker 1: perhaps a place with more it becomes a more urgent priority.
[4:03] Speaker 1: But we are hearing from the leader of the National
[4:06] Speaker 1: Party in New South Wales about just how much of
[4:10] Speaker 1: a trouble what has not been dealt with thus far
[4:13] Speaker 1: in hazard reduction could be in fire comes anywhere near
[4:19] Speaker 1: your joint or someone that you love in New South Wales,
[4:22] Speaker 1: Germish Singh is his name. He's new to the job,
[4:26] Speaker 1: and this bloke has accused the state government of leaving
[4:28] Speaker 1: the state at catastrophic risk of bushfire seasons. Nothing to
[4:33] Speaker 1: do of course, with the climate change which will ultimately
[4:36] Speaker 1: be referred to as the sole driver of why these
[4:39] Speaker 1: things are as intense as they are. Just eleven percent
[4:44] Speaker 1: of hazard reduction burns have actually taken place, repeat, just
[4:49] Speaker 1: eleven percent, and that's in one state. The Rural Fire
[4:52] Speaker 1: Service has only cleared forty thousand of three hundred and
[4:55] Speaker 1: seventy two thousand hectares that has been deemed dangerous deemed
[5:01] Speaker 1: something that could push a fire on since July. The
[5:06] Speaker 1: first three hundred and seventy two thousand's the target forty
[5:10] Speaker 1: eleven percent. The Nationals leader in Coff's Harbor MP says
[5:16] Speaker 1: that the unpreparedness has left the state with a quote
[5:18] Speaker 1: unacceptably high amount of flammable vegetarian and severe bush fire
[5:24] Speaker 1: around Bulladealer that was the one we were dealing with
[5:26] Speaker 1: last week that closed the Pacific Highway is a sign
[5:28] Speaker 1: of things to come again, the leader of the Nationals.
[5:32] Speaker 1: Right across New South Wales, people can see the warning signs.
[5:35] Speaker 1: Communities are watching fuel loads rise and the hazard reduction
[5:40] Speaker 1: work simply has not been done. Increase fuel loads and
[5:43] Speaker 1: poorly maintained fire trails are dangerous and make it harder
[5:47] Speaker 1: for our communities to evacuate and more challenging for crews
[5:50] Speaker 1: to gain access during times of emergency. This matters now.
[5:56] Speaker 1: For years we have talked about this, and for years
[6:00] Speaker 1: I've always tried to get the information before the fire
[6:03] Speaker 1: season gets out of control, so we know what the
[6:05] Speaker 1: targets were and how little they actually achieved. That'll be
[6:10] Speaker 1: my homework for the week to check across all of
[6:11] Speaker 1: the states. But according to the Nationals leader, who you
[6:14] Speaker 1: would think would know this stuff, it is just eleven
[6:17] Speaker 1: percent of everything that had to be cleaned up ahead
[6:20] Speaker 1: of this bush fire season. And of course the had
[6:23] Speaker 1: to clear up is just a small fraction of all
[6:25] Speaker 1: of the leaves and dead trees and areas where the
[6:28] Speaker 1: Greenies say we can't go. But of course, to discuss
[6:31] Speaker 1: any of this whatsoever, somehow is going to be climate
[6:34] Speaker 1: change denihilism. You may have noticed no point in this
[6:37] Speaker 1: conversation have they said anything other than high temperatures and winds. Well,
[6:42] Speaker 1: they make things worse. How they start can either be
[6:45] Speaker 1: accidents or deliberate, or can be things like lightning strikes.
[6:50] Speaker 1: But one thing that's guaranteed to make a fire worse
[6:53] Speaker 1: once it has started is if it has more stuff
[6:55] Speaker 1: to burn, including dry crap that's on the ground and
[6:59] Speaker 1: has been there for almost longer than many people who
[7:02] Speaker 1: are living near it, and see it for the problem
[7:05] Speaker 1: that it is another poll, and it is yet again
[7:09] Speaker 1: the way we end our year, which is Labor with
[7:11] Speaker 1: the strongest hand that it has had in a generation,
[7:15] Speaker 1: the Coalition in the worst place it has been in
[7:17] Speaker 1: the history of polling, and Pauling Hansen in charge of
[7:20] Speaker 1: a political force that in Australia is now virtually twice
[7:25] Speaker 1: as popular as one nation. Now, before I get to
[7:30] Speaker 1: the results of this poll, let me just show you
[7:32] Speaker 1: the election results this year. Now, even though there was
[7:36] Speaker 1: only just a three point difference in the primary vote
[7:39] Speaker 1: there between the Labor Party and the Liberal Party, essentially
[7:43] Speaker 1: all of the Greens go to Labor, which takes it
[7:45] Speaker 1: to what forty seven percent, Most of the Independent takes
[7:50] Speaker 1: it over, and most of the Teal goes. So you
[7:53] Speaker 1: end up in a scenario where the thirty two maybe
[7:55] Speaker 1: maybe becomes thirty eight two party preferred, forty five for
[7:59] Speaker 1: the Zibs, fifty five for Labour. Have a look at this.
[8:02] Speaker 1: This is now the poll tonight. One nation goes from
[8:05] Speaker 1: six percent at the election to fourteen percent at the
[8:10] Speaker 1: final poll, this one done for the Channel nine newspapers.
[8:14] Speaker 1: You can see the Labor Party is exactly where it was,
[8:18] Speaker 1: The Liberal Party is very much down. They've gone from
[8:21] Speaker 1: thirty two to twenty six, the Greens have gone from
[8:24] Speaker 1: twelve to eleven, one nation from six to fourteen, and
[8:27] Speaker 1: the rest of it basically are washing the mix. Much
[8:30] Speaker 1: to debate and discuss later in the show, but some
[8:32] Speaker 1: of the comments that people give and like. When we
[8:35] Speaker 1: talk to Cos Samaris from Redbridge, we talk about the
[8:39] Speaker 1: focus groups, what voters are saying to the pollster. Apart
[8:42] Speaker 1: from just I'm going to vote for this one, I'm
[8:44] Speaker 1: not going to vote for that one. These are just
[8:46] Speaker 1: again a random sampling of things which have been published
[8:48] Speaker 1: this evening as to why people are going where they
[8:51] Speaker 1: are where. Basically, Labor is the same, the Green's basically
[8:54] Speaker 1: the same, the Libs way down, one nation way up
[8:57] Speaker 1: because of what's happening on the economy and housing crisis.
[9:00] Speaker 1: Nothing is actually changing under labor. In fact, I'd say
[9:03] Speaker 1: it's getting worse. We can't do the same thing over
[9:07] Speaker 1: and over and expect a different result. Labor useless. They
[9:11] Speaker 1: need a change on immigration policy, and I'm changing to
[9:13] Speaker 1: One Nation because I've decided we need to stop the
[9:16] Speaker 1: lives now again. None of this is a mystery, None
[9:19] Speaker 1: of this is breaking news. Much of this is how
[9:21] Speaker 1: you feel, particularly as we've focused on Gen X, a
[9:27] Speaker 1: generation which yes has been brought up to be cynical,
[9:30] Speaker 1: but basically between forty five and fifty five, these people
[9:34] Speaker 1: who may well have been sort of rusted on Howard voters,
[9:36] Speaker 1: or at least people who grew up came to adulthood
[9:39] Speaker 1: in John Howard's Australia not liking what the opposition is
[9:42] Speaker 1: putting on serve and definitely not liking what the government
[9:45] Speaker 1: is doing. Much to discuss with Lee Hanson, of course,
[9:48] Speaker 1: who is part of both the National and the Tasmanian
[9:51] Speaker 1: focus for One Nation, with the hope of her getting
[9:53] Speaker 1: into the Senate via Tasmania at the next federal election.
[9:57] Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about our made Annika Wells the
[9:59] Speaker 1: minute for Freebie's the one who has so many free
[10:02] Speaker 1: tickets that she has got tickets on her self. She
[10:06] Speaker 1: was on Sunday Agenda this morning with my colleague friend
[10:09] Speaker 1: Andrew Clonel and of course she's trying to find a
[10:12] Speaker 1: way to say, that's been the one hundred grand on
[10:14] Speaker 1: the fanciest and finest of tickets to fly her and
[10:17] Speaker 1: a couple of staffers at the very tippy top of
[10:19] Speaker 1: the plane, virtually sitting in the captain's lap, as you know,
[10:23] Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. This was so she could give
[10:26] Speaker 1: a speech to the United Nations for six minutes about
[10:29] Speaker 1: the Plan on Social Media Changes which is coming into
[10:32] Speaker 1: effect in Australia this week. Prime Minister back from a
[10:35] Speaker 1: week celebrating his marriage. Congratulations to him and to his
[10:41] Speaker 1: wife Jody. And here he was saying, nothing to see here,
[10:45] Speaker 1: because this bloke knows as soon as you start losing
[10:48] Speaker 1: ministers to scandal, the government can fall pretty quickly, so
[10:52] Speaker 1: he's not going to admit anything's wrong here. These are
[10:54] Speaker 1: not the droids you're looking for.
[10:57] Speaker 4: Was the importance of having Anika Wells?
[10:59] Speaker 1: There were that sort of expense to the taxpayer.
[11:04] Speaker 5: Well, Anika Wells was of course doing her job as
[11:08] Speaker 5: the Communications Minister who's in charge of this world leading,
[11:12] Speaker 5: world leading legislation. All of the travel was within guidelines,
[11:17] Speaker 5: so she was working and there were announcements and there
[11:20] Speaker 5: were events there.
[11:21] Speaker 1: David, see, this is rubbish. All of it's within the guidelines. Well,
[11:25] Speaker 1: I'll tell you what was also within the guidelines the
[11:28] Speaker 1: helicopter that, of course many people had an opinion on
[11:32] Speaker 1: and the pub test was invoked on when it came
[11:33] Speaker 1: to Brombin Bishop all those years ago. The reality was
[11:36] Speaker 1: is that Anika Wells. The reason this bill was so
[11:39] Speaker 1: high is because it was all brought at the last minute.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Now there wasn't Premium Economy instead, No, no, I need three
[11:44] Speaker 1: of the best seats. Why because I've I've got to
[11:46] Speaker 1: have the meeting, talk to the staffers, have a little
[11:50] Speaker 1: nap before we make our way towards New York. But
[11:54] Speaker 1: of course the reason it was so late is because
[11:56] Speaker 1: she was dealing with the optus situation. Remember the one
[11:59] Speaker 1: when she was exposed for the failures of the government.
[12:02] Speaker 1: What was she saying, Well, on a new minutes, sir,
[12:04] Speaker 1: she's got many a defense, this very passive, aggressive and
[12:08] Speaker 1: very skilled politician. I'll get to some of what she
[12:11] Speaker 1: was serving up today. But for the Prime Minister to
[12:13] Speaker 1: argue that this thing, well, it's all fine, what would
[12:17] Speaker 1: he have done if there was a coalition minister one
[12:20] Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a six minute speech which yes,
[12:25] Speaker 1: could have been delivered remotely because I'm sorry, I'm in
[12:28] Speaker 1: Australian I'm dealing with a life and death situation involving
[12:32] Speaker 1: Optus and Tripolo. But of course, no, no, no, she had
[12:34] Speaker 1: to be there. Why because she was along with Penny Wong.
[12:37] Speaker 1: She was along with Chris Bowen in the front row
[12:40] Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister was delivering the speech to no
[12:43] Speaker 1: one at the United Nations. She had to go to
[12:47] Speaker 1: the cocktail events, she had to go to the women
[12:50] Speaker 1: in Power events, and of course she had to speak
[12:54] Speaker 1: to other countries about a piece of legislation, which will
[12:56] Speaker 1: see if it works. Fingers cross it does, but we
[12:58] Speaker 1: don't know. We'll all find out together in the next
[13:00] Speaker 1: of a while. But we learned today there's another dose
[13:04] Speaker 1: of freebie. This one was that there was a lot
[13:06] Speaker 1: of work to be done, but jeez, how convenient that
[13:09] Speaker 1: the work was done either side of a trip that
[13:14] Speaker 1: included it going to an old labor mate's birthday. The
[13:18] Speaker 1: Communications Minister Annika Wells charged taxpayers almost four thousand dollars
[13:23] Speaker 1: for flights, hotels, show for driven transport because goodness me,
[13:26] Speaker 1: you cannot get a rental car. You wouldn't want to
[13:29] Speaker 1: rock up in anything less than the ministerial limousine for
[13:33] Speaker 1: a trip to Adelaide. In June. Along with official duties,
[13:37] Speaker 1: she attended the birthday party of a labor friend. How
[13:39] Speaker 1: convenient that the official duties happened to happen on the
[13:42] Speaker 1: Friday before the party. On the Saturday the official duties
[13:45] Speaker 1: happened to happen. I mean, who knew the luck of
[13:49] Speaker 1: this arrangement. Travel records and Well's official diary show that
[13:54] Speaker 1: she traveled from Brucebane to Adelaide on the Friday. She
[13:58] Speaker 1: returned on the Sunday. I've just got some work to do.
[14:01] Speaker 1: I've definitely got to be in Adelaide on Friday. Oh
[14:04] Speaker 1: when's you the Saturday? You know what, I might be
[14:06] Speaker 1: able to turn up and before I go back and
[14:08] Speaker 1: do work in Brisbane, Sydney or anywhere else, I'll just
[14:12] Speaker 1: spend Sunday as a travel day. Oh but I was
[14:14] Speaker 1: working because I was on my phone, honestly. And then
[14:19] Speaker 1: there was the family that was brought along to a
[14:24] Speaker 1: Winter Paralympics event for a ski weekend in Threadbot. Now again,
[14:29] Speaker 1: all of this is part of the rules, but does
[14:31] Speaker 1: this pass anyone's pub test, not even the ones that
[14:35] Speaker 1: make Albow bear. This thing would pass. Well had been
[14:39] Speaker 1: invited by the Paralympics Australia to its Adaptive Festival weekend,
[14:43] Speaker 1: which is designed to encourage young people with disabilities to
[14:46] Speaker 1: try snowsports. Find by me that she's their wife, She's
[14:49] Speaker 1: the sports Minister. Important event. But over the two days
[14:53] Speaker 1: she met festival organizers and announced an extra two million
[14:56] Speaker 1: dollars in funding for the sports. Okay, cool, She's clearly
[14:59] Speaker 1: there for the official reasons. However, Wells admitted her family
[15:03] Speaker 1: had been skiing in Threadbow even as I did work
[15:06] Speaker 1: across the weekend, so we are to believe that she
[15:09] Speaker 1: did not hit the slopes. But once she did not
[15:12] Speaker 1: park the Ministerial Deiry air into the toboggan, she did
[15:16] Speaker 1: not participate in any snow related activities. Again, what a
[15:23] Speaker 1: incredible opportunity. Hey guys, I've got this really specific thing.
[15:26] Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Threadbow. Do you want to come?
[15:28] Speaker 1: It's part of my family reunion entitlement that you get
[15:33] Speaker 1: to pay for the partner and the kids. Oh but
[15:37] Speaker 1: it's all within guidelines and nothing to see here. Again,
[15:39] Speaker 1: every single travel wrought story is within the rules, right,
[15:44] Speaker 1: because the rules are so open to abuse like this.
[15:48] Speaker 1: But the reason they become the stories that they do
[15:50] Speaker 1: is because people see this for what it is, which
[15:53] Speaker 1: is people who are already paid hundreds of thousands of dollars,
[15:56] Speaker 1: who yes, have every right to charge the taxpayer as
[16:00] Speaker 1: they fly for work. But when they use work as
[16:04] Speaker 1: the cover to pay for how to get to recreational events,
[16:09] Speaker 1: then Australians go no, not interested. This was part of
[16:13] Speaker 1: her defense while Andrew Clannel was doing his best this morning.
[16:17] Speaker 2: I absolutely understand that any ordinary Australian would look in
[16:21] Speaker 2: those black and white figures and have at reaction. I
[16:24] Speaker 2: absolutely understand that parliamentarian's travel entitlements should be scrutinized. People
[16:28] Speaker 2: can have an opinion about whether it was worth the money.
[16:30] Speaker 2: I'll continue to follow the rules and follow the guidelines
[16:33] Speaker 2: as I have in every single instance that you've outlined
[16:36] Speaker 2: this morning. At the end of the day, I don't
[16:38] Speaker 2: write these rules.
[16:41] Speaker 1: This is the new one. Don't blame me. Firstly, it
[16:44] Speaker 1: was all withinside the rules, and don't have a go
[16:47] Speaker 1: at me that the rules are too generous. I didn't
[16:49] Speaker 1: right the rules. Now again, this is a politician who
[16:55] Speaker 1: parts of her electorate Lily Suburbs of Brisbane working class.
[17:00] Speaker 1: She knows that when this comes out day after day
[17:03] Speaker 1: after day, that there is a world of trouble that
[17:07] Speaker 1: will come her way. She knows this. But remember this
[17:12] Speaker 1: is a person who has now got very sassy responses
[17:16] Speaker 1: when she ends up in a world of pain. Remember
[17:20] Speaker 1: when it was optus. Oh that's right, Harold Government. Didn't
[17:23] Speaker 1: you say in twenty twenty three you would have fixed
[17:25] Speaker 1: the problem that's now causing issues in twenty twenty five. Oh,
[17:29] Speaker 1: I'm just a new minister and it doesn't really hard
[17:33] Speaker 1: a minister about the one hundred thousand dollars. So you
[17:37] Speaker 1: and staffers could sit in their most comfortable seats on
[17:40] Speaker 1: your way to New York for a six minute speech
[17:42] Speaker 1: you could have delivered from Australia because you were here
[17:45] Speaker 1: dealing with the very emergency that you were pleading as
[17:48] Speaker 1: your defense that you were a new minister, and answer
[17:51] Speaker 1: that question. And now today, after the birthday trip, the
[17:58] Speaker 1: family snow job is done. I don't write the rules
[18:03] Speaker 1: now again, these are you know. I love my girls,
[18:06] Speaker 1: but these are the answers that I would be getting
[18:08] Speaker 1: from my daughters when I'm having a crack at them
[18:11] Speaker 1: about something they've done at home, doing the wrong thing. Well,
[18:16] Speaker 1: you know, I'll answer that question now again. This is
[18:20] Speaker 1: a person who's got again so many tickets on themselves
[18:22] Speaker 1: that they think one day they're going to be Prime Minister.
[18:23] Speaker 1: And maybe that's the case, but there's more. After becoming
[18:29] Speaker 1: the Sports Minister in twenty twenty two, the Prime Minister
[18:33] Speaker 1: told all of his ministers don't go anywhere in the
[18:35] Speaker 1: Modern Cup. Why because obviously it would look like a raught.
[18:38] Speaker 1: But guess who went And guess who was there not
[18:42] Speaker 1: doing the official business but instead as a guest of
[18:46] Speaker 1: the beer company Furfey. There you go at the time,
[18:51] Speaker 1: details of the hospitality tempt in which the minister was
[18:54] Speaker 1: clearly not doing a job but enjoying the freebie. Well
[18:59] Speaker 1: she was there by a bunch of other Cup day
[19:01] Speaker 1: desperadoes and just conveniently guests who paid for her to
[19:06] Speaker 1: fly from Queensland to Melbourne for the Melbourne Cup. It
[19:12] Speaker 1: was us the tax pay Yes, there are other MPs,
[19:14] Speaker 1: but it's a pattern of behavior here with the high
[19:17] Speaker 1: flying minister that we should have a chat about. Here.
[19:20] Speaker 1: Labor Ministers Don Farrell, Anika Wells, along with the Nationals
[19:23] Speaker 1: leader David Little Proud, Shadow Sports Minister Anne Rushton, went
[19:28] Speaker 1: to the Victorian capital on the first of November, charging
[19:31] Speaker 1: the public for various expenses associated with their attendants. Little
[19:36] Speaker 1: Proud and Farrell were guests of tab Corp. Wells was
[19:39] Speaker 1: invited by beer company Thirthy. So remember as the sports
[19:43] Speaker 1: minister she was. She's not there with the Victorian Racing Authority.
[19:46] Speaker 1: She's not there with the VRC, she's not there with
[19:49] Speaker 1: the bosses of Racing Australia. She's there because she's invited
[19:54] Speaker 1: into the freebe tent with the rest of them thanks
[19:58] Speaker 1: to a beer company. Wells and Little Proud used Comcarr transport,
[20:05] Speaker 1: judging two hundred and forty four and four hundred and
[20:08] Speaker 1: eighty nine dollars respectively. Wells and Farrell stayed in Melbourne
[20:13] Speaker 1: for two nights, claiming their nine hundred and twenty eight
[20:16] Speaker 1: dollars each was for official duties. Oh so, hang on,
[20:20] Speaker 1: So the Melbourne Cup first Tuesday in November. You know what,
[20:23] Speaker 1: I reckon, I've got a meeting in Melbourne on the
[20:25] Speaker 1: first Monday in November. You know what to nights? Okay,
[20:29] Speaker 1: I've also got a meeting on the first Wednesday in November.
[20:33] Speaker 1: You know what I've got free the first Tuesday in November,
[20:37] Speaker 1: so you know what I might be able to roll
[20:39] Speaker 1: up and have a go. A spokesperson for Wells said
[20:42] Speaker 1: that she had appeared at the racing event as the
[20:44] Speaker 1: sports minister. The problem is the very same article that
[20:48] Speaker 1: says this says Wells was invited by beer company Furfey,
[20:55] Speaker 1: not a sporting authority, instead just a chance to be
[20:58] Speaker 1: in the birdcage with the rest of them. Wells flew
[21:01] Speaker 1: out of Melbourne to Brucebane November two, costing six hundred
[21:06] Speaker 1: and eleven dollars. Now again six hundred bucks here, two
[21:08] Speaker 1: hundred bucks there is are going to break the bank. No,
[21:11] Speaker 1: but guess what I've got for you Just some of
[21:16] Speaker 1: the gifts that have been registered by this minister. Let's
[21:21] Speaker 1: just take a random page. Okay. She was invited to
[21:26] Speaker 1: the Rugby League World Cup event. She had two tickets
[21:31] Speaker 1: to the Lions versus the Western Bulldogs thanks to virgin
[21:35] Speaker 1: Australia Tennis Australia. She took two free tickets to the
[21:40] Speaker 1: men's and women's finals. Because again, as the sports minister,
[21:44] Speaker 1: you don't go to the first round, you've got to
[21:46] Speaker 1: be there for the final. My favorite here is again
[21:51] Speaker 1: during the Women's World Cup. She definitely had to be
[21:55] Speaker 1: at Australia's match versus France. She had to be at
[21:57] Speaker 1: the AFL Women's Grand Final, had to have an access
[22:01] Speaker 1: to the corporate suite of the boxing day, tests, and
[22:05] Speaker 1: so on and so on, page and page and page.
[22:08] Speaker 1: Hence why I call her the Minister for Freebies. Now again,
[22:12] Speaker 1: she has been given two of the best jobs any
[22:15] Speaker 1: politician could ever want. Minister for Sports means essentially most
[22:20] Speaker 1: of the time is keeping up the relationships with all
[22:22] Speaker 1: of the sports authorities at the same time. Remember she
[22:27] Speaker 1: was the Aged Care Minister. When she did such a
[22:30] Speaker 1: bad job, she was moved out of it. Okay, she
[22:33] Speaker 1: now is the Communications Minister, meaning that of course she's
[22:35] Speaker 1: very close to many and most in the media circles.
[22:38] Speaker 1: Why and becomes chief protector of the Labor Party, of
[22:41] Speaker 1: the Labor Party their media wing, the ABC. There is
[22:46] Speaker 1: much more in this story. I look forward to discussing
[22:48] Speaker 1: it and I look forward to going deeper into the
[22:50] Speaker 1: data because it's a shocker. The Minister for Freebies who
[22:53] Speaker 1: has seventy free tickets, has tickets on herself. And why
[22:57] Speaker 1: does all of this annoy people? Because we learnt on
[22:59] Speaker 1: front that almost a million Australians are working more than
[23:04] Speaker 1: one job. There are many Australians who to make ends meet,
[23:09] Speaker 1: do not just turn up to one place. According to
[23:12] Speaker 1: Australian Bureau Statistics, nine hundred and seventy three thousand people
[23:17] Speaker 1: have more than one job. To give you an idea
[23:21] Speaker 1: of how this has changed over the years, it was
[23:24] Speaker 1: about seven hundred thousand ten years ago. It is now
[23:29] Speaker 1: nine hundred and seventy three thousand people in Australia. Now
[23:33] Speaker 1: the population has not grown by a third, but what
[23:39] Speaker 1: has grown by such a significant number between those two
[23:42] Speaker 1: times is how much money it costs to keep ends together.
[23:48] Speaker 1: But nothing to see here, nothing at all, because of
[23:52] Speaker 1: course the travel of politicians who write the rules look
[23:56] Speaker 1: down on you and want you to think that it's
[24:01] Speaker 1: when that's not the source of the precipitation. That's why
[24:05] Speaker 1: people get annoyed, and rightly so. Prime Minister. One of
[24:08] Speaker 1: the things that he was able to do is part
[24:11] Speaker 1: of his way of buying his way to a second term,
[24:14] Speaker 1: was to use billions of dollars of taxpayers money to
[24:18] Speaker 1: confuse people that their power bills were artificially being kept
[24:21] Speaker 1: low because they themselves were paying power companies directly. This
[24:28] Speaker 1: is despite the fact that these two blokes who have
[24:31] Speaker 1: put billions more dollars into the creation of the renewable
[24:35] Speaker 1: sector all over the country keep telling us that the
[24:39] Speaker 1: more of what we are building will magically bring down
[24:42] Speaker 1: the cost of power.
[24:46] Speaker 4: The cheapest, most reliable form of energy for Australians, and
[24:50] Speaker 4: that of course is renewable energy. Renewables the cheapest form
[24:52] Speaker 4: of energy.
[24:53] Speaker 6: Cheapest energy price is going forward.
[24:56] Speaker 4: Renewable energy is incredibly cheap.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Yet the bills, of course we know, way up, way up.
[25:02] Speaker 1: And I don't care what Sarah Ferguson at the ABC says.
[25:04] Speaker 1: I think there's a little correlation between moving from the
[25:08] Speaker 1: system that worked to the one that they hope will
[25:11] Speaker 1: work with almost a trillion dollars worth of investment, and
[25:14] Speaker 1: the customer having to pay for some of that along
[25:16] Speaker 1: the way. And remember when the federal government decided that
[25:21] Speaker 1: every single home from the richest to the poorest in
[25:24] Speaker 1: the country will have part of its power bill paid
[25:26] Speaker 1: for that all of this was a great way of
[25:28] Speaker 1: fighting inflation. Introducing new, cleaner and cheaper, more renewable or
[25:34] Speaker 1: more reliable energy into the system, because that's what gives
[25:37] Speaker 1: us the best chance over time of putting down with
[25:40] Speaker 1: pressure on prices. And it worked because apparently it cut
[25:43] Speaker 1: about half a point off inflation. Guess what happened in
[25:45] Speaker 1: February There was an inter straight cut. Why because inflation
[25:48] Speaker 1: was going down. But now post election, guess what's happening.
[25:53] Speaker 2: Inflation is on the rise again in Australia.
[25:56] Speaker 1: In data today revealing a spike in inflation.
[25:59] Speaker 2: The latest month inflation data has just been released and
[26:02] Speaker 2: it's a significant shift from quarterly reporting.
[26:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, Unbelievableity up, up, up, We're right back above the
[26:10] Speaker 1: three percent issue. Remember between two and three is where
[26:12] Speaker 1: they start to cut inflation. Why, election's over, so imagine
[26:17] Speaker 1: what's going to happen once all of these payments stop. Well,
[26:20] Speaker 1: inflation is going to keep going up. But it's two
[26:22] Speaker 1: and a half years out from an election. The Prime
[26:24] Speaker 1: Minister knows I don't have to really do anything for
[26:27] Speaker 1: the next couple of years because I've been rewarded by
[26:29] Speaker 1: the Australian people regardless of my failure to deliver on
[26:33] Speaker 1: a reduction in power prices of the two hundred and
[26:35] Speaker 1: seventy five lie before the last election. So will the
[26:40] Speaker 1: power bill payments continue? Well, this is how he's ending
[26:43] Speaker 1: the year, and remember he's at a record high in
[26:46] Speaker 1: the piles.
[26:47] Speaker 5: Well, what we've said, David, is that this wouldn't be
[26:51] Speaker 5: in place forever. This was an interim measure. We'll give
[26:55] Speaker 5: consideration to that in the lead up to my EFO
[26:59] Speaker 5: and make an announcement before at the end of the year.
[27:02] Speaker 5: Once we make that decision.
[27:04] Speaker 1: Geez, I wonder what it will be. We'll either decide
[27:08] Speaker 1: to keep it going for another six months which gets
[27:10] Speaker 1: them through the budget process, or we'll just bring it
[27:12] Speaker 1: back in a couple of years if it's needed. Because
[27:14] Speaker 1: even though interest rates went up under their watch, even
[27:18] Speaker 1: though they promise power prices, but they keep going on
[27:20] Speaker 1: their watch, and now inflation keeps going back up, yet
[27:23] Speaker 1: they remain up and high in the poles. What is
[27:25] Speaker 1: the disincentive for them to screw us over yet again
[27:29] Speaker 1: while they cut back on how they help you, and
[27:33] Speaker 1: they keep spending money like the drunken salors they are.
[27:37] Speaker 1: Another example, of course, is something that I know we
[27:39] Speaker 1: all love to get to this moment in the night
[27:41] Speaker 1: and discuss which is how showby is for ugly people works.
[27:45] Speaker 1: And the ugly people here I mean perhaps in part
[27:49] Speaker 1: of their souls, those that are the politicians. The politicians
[27:52] Speaker 1: who firstly, we pay more than ever before backbencher on
[27:55] Speaker 1: what two hundred and fifty thousand dollars? Now? They also
[27:57] Speaker 1: have a dedicated staff and to make social media crap
[28:00] Speaker 1: like this.
[28:02] Speaker 3: Angel trees are all over social media at the moment.
[28:06] Speaker 6: Haven't seen them?
[28:09] Speaker 5: What?
[28:11] Speaker 1: Then there is this lovely moment involving the Health minister.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Remember he sits at the cabinet table, the board table
[28:16] Speaker 1: of running Australia. There's more. I don't like this stuff
[28:38] Speaker 1: because it patronizes people. Okay, now sure you know, getting
[28:41] Speaker 1: into the detail might be a little boring for some
[28:43] Speaker 1: cannying the grains of sand on a beach may get
[28:46] Speaker 1: the odd eye roll. But how patronizing is the way
[28:49] Speaker 1: that the MPs, the ministers, the backbenches talk to their constituents.
[28:54] Speaker 1: And remember they have a full time staffer to make
[28:56] Speaker 1: stuff like this.
[28:59] Speaker 5: Where look incredible, I'm in this big gass call from
[29:06] Speaker 5: that dress show.
[29:09] Speaker 1: You pay for it most of us tomorrow, the entire
[29:13] Speaker 1: day is working to pay for it, and then the
[29:15] Speaker 1: next day, and then the next day, and then they
[29:18] Speaker 1: turn around and say it's within the rules when they
[29:21] Speaker 1: waste the money. We're you a lot to talk about tonight.
[29:23] Speaker 1: Love to hear your thoughts on anything. Paul Stunies dot
[29:25] Speaker 1: com dot a is our email. I'm going to keep
[29:27] Speaker 1: talking you about Annika Wells, the pub test. You know,
[29:30] Speaker 1: see no one laboring invoking the pub test. This time
[29:33] Speaker 1: we'll talk to Lee Hanson about how mum's going, particularly
[29:36] Speaker 1: one nation and yet another poll saying they are absolutely
[29:38] Speaker 1: braining it at the moment. We'll talk about Oscar Piastre
[29:41] Speaker 1: and a whole lot more as well. It's a busy show.
[29:43] Speaker 1: It's a Sunday night. There's no cricket on, so there's
[29:45] Speaker 1: no excuse kick back, enjoy here on Paul Murray Life.
[29:54] Speaker 1: Oh no, Silk's no lefties. That's my present to you
[29:57] Speaker 1: after Australia absolutely thumbs England at the cricket. It's just
[30:00] Speaker 1: a chance to sit back with normal purople like yourself
[30:03] Speaker 1: and have a chat about the weak ahead and a
[30:05] Speaker 1: couple of days in the rear vision mirror Daniel Wild.
[30:08] Speaker 1: Of course, the cheat of Public Affairs, joining us from
[30:10] Speaker 1: beautiful Adelaide and the wonderful Lee Hanson future Senator Lee Hanson.
[30:14] Speaker 1: She joins us now from Tazzy Lovely to see you
[30:17] Speaker 1: both so before I get onto polls and all the
[30:19] Speaker 1: rest of it. And actually there's a really fascinating data
[30:22] Speaker 1: that I haven't got to yet, which is about immigration
[30:24] Speaker 1: and about why people feel the way they do about immigration. Look,
[30:28] Speaker 1: you can both have a kick from in front about
[30:30] Speaker 1: old maid Anika Wells. Don't you love this here? It's
[30:33] Speaker 1: all within the rules. It's all within the rules for
[30:36] Speaker 1: me to take the proverbial as often as she does.
[30:39] Speaker 1: But at New York, be at Threadbot, be at the
[30:41] Speaker 1: mate's birthday, be at the Melbourne cup Lee. Look, will
[30:46] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister try to protect her? Will the media
[30:48] Speaker 1: probably move on? Yeah? But there's plenty there there And
[30:52] Speaker 1: I'm saying, the receipts, the receipts have got them here.
[30:56] Speaker 1: It is extraordinary the freebize this lady takes.
[31:01] Speaker 2: It is extraordinary, and of course she's going to be protected. However,
[31:05] Speaker 2: we need to hold her to account. The people need
[31:08] Speaker 2: to hold her account and the media need to hold
[31:10] Speaker 2: her to account. It does not pass the pub test,
[31:13] Speaker 2: pure and simple. When we have cost of living crisis
[31:16] Speaker 2: here and I heard you talk about before the stats
[31:19] Speaker 2: have risen in regards to people with multiple jobs, and
[31:21] Speaker 2: then we hear about politicians jet setting on the taxpayer's dollars.
[31:26] Speaker 2: I believe one meal an evening in Paris was twelve
[31:29] Speaker 2: hundred dollars on what French champagne. Is that really essential
[31:33] Speaker 2: for a bit parliamentary trip. We need to hold these
[31:36] Speaker 2: politicians to account. We cannot have them defaulting to, oh,
[31:40] Speaker 2: it's in the rules or the guidelines. If that's the case,
[31:43] Speaker 2: the guidelines need reviewing, the guidelines need amending. And you know,
[31:48] Speaker 2: if it was coming out of her pocket and her wage,
[31:51] Speaker 2: I bet she wouldn't have spent that money and she
[31:54] Speaker 2: would have had more scrutiny over the spending. So I
[31:57] Speaker 2: actually call for Paul need to have ensure look at it,
[32:02] Speaker 2: an independent body or a some sort of contract that
[32:07] Speaker 2: actually reviews this spending. But in addition to a spending
[32:11] Speaker 2: I think politicians should be held count for their false
[32:14] Speaker 2: promises as well. You know, coming into elections, all the
[32:17] Speaker 2: false promises they make and it never comes to fruition.
[32:20] Speaker 2: Why can't we put in a system where if they
[32:23] Speaker 2: don't deliver their hold to account and they have to
[32:26] Speaker 2: pay back or step back out of their jobs.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Well, hellelujah, Hellelijah. Now, now, of course you know that
[32:30] Speaker 1: with people saying, well the pub test, what a masculine
[32:33] Speaker 1: way of thinking about things? Okay, the coffee club, what
[32:35] Speaker 1: about the Maury Clay target shooting club, what about that,
[32:39] Speaker 1: you know, the ocean swimming club. None of them would
[32:42] Speaker 1: say that this arrangement is acceptable, Daniel. It is a
[32:46] Speaker 1: major fault line in the ruling class that basically, look,
[32:51] Speaker 1: they know they're going to cop a couple of days
[32:53] Speaker 1: of this staff. Everyone moves on. But the Prime Minister
[32:56] Speaker 1: also knows that if he gives in and creates an
[33:00] Speaker 1: opportunity of accountability, then that becomes a scandal. People don't forget.
[33:06] Speaker 1: So what does that say about our political system that
[33:10] Speaker 1: the prime Minister might actually be right, but anyone who
[33:13] Speaker 1: knows about the Minister for freebies at the moment would
[33:16] Speaker 1: be absolutely red hot.
[33:21] Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right, Paul. It's rules for thee and
[33:24] Speaker 3: not for me. It's a double standard. It's a hypocritical
[33:27] Speaker 3: double standard. And this is why Australian's why trust and
[33:30] Speaker 3: confidence in politicians is at a record low. Now, you know,
[33:33] Speaker 3: the excuse that Anika Wells gay for that dinner or
[33:37] Speaker 3: that lunch that Lee mentioned was it was orientation. Orientation.
[33:42] Speaker 3: I mean, imagine if you went if you went to
[33:46] Speaker 3: your boss tomorrow morning and said, hey, boss, I need
[33:49] Speaker 3: to have hundred bucks for lunch, and he says, why
[33:52] Speaker 3: is lunch so expensive? Well, we've got orientation. Oh that's
[33:54] Speaker 3: all right, Yeah, here's tweve hundred bucks for your lunch.
[33:56] Speaker 3: I mean, would anybody else in the country get away
[33:59] Speaker 3: with that? I mean, they're just having a laugh. They're
[34:01] Speaker 3: having a laugh at us. It's such a pathetic excuse.
[34:05] Speaker 3: And unfortunately, Look, I live here in Adelaide, Paul, and
[34:08] Speaker 3: if Anika wants my number, I'd be very happy to
[34:10] Speaker 3: chow for her around X Y and chief in town,
[34:12] Speaker 3: and I would just charge her half. I'll charge a
[34:15] Speaker 3: half what she've charged taxpayers, so it's a good deal
[34:18] Speaker 3: around her area.
[34:19] Speaker 1: Maybe that's w what We could have a billet system
[34:21] Speaker 1: where labor voters are able to put up labor ministers,
[34:24] Speaker 1: or if you want to be sort of a you know,
[34:26] Speaker 1: sort of four fifths a com car, then fair enough
[34:30] Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. As for where the Libs
[34:32] Speaker 1: were on this, can we just show you Alex Hawk,
[34:34] Speaker 1: who is of course the leader of the opposition in
[34:37] Speaker 1: the in terms of the procedure in the House. This
[34:41] Speaker 1: is what he had to say today, and I think
[34:42] Speaker 1: he actually hit his target pretty well.
[34:45] Speaker 4: And the minister's defenses don't seem to stack up either.
[34:49] Speaker 4: I mean, if the minister is eating a mouse lea
[34:51] Speaker 4: bar and falling asleep in Paris, then why is the
[34:53] Speaker 4: taxpayer being charged for expensive dinners and expensive food and
[34:57] Speaker 4: expensive travel if she's not partake of them. So I've
[35:01] Speaker 4: her defense is while I was working really hard and
[35:03] Speaker 4: I didn't eat much and I wasn't really paying attention
[35:05] Speaker 4: or asleep at the table, then we could presumably recoup
[35:09] Speaker 4: some of that mon Yeah.
[35:11] Speaker 1: I liked the one where he said, among other things,
[35:13] Speaker 1: that this would make the royals blush. Perhaps not Andrew,
[35:16] Speaker 1: perhaps not Andrew, but maybe a more responsible royal somewhere.
[35:19] Speaker 1: All right. Part of the opinion polling that shows us
[35:21] Speaker 1: about the strength of one nation at the moment where
[35:23] Speaker 1: they end the year stronger than they have ever been.
[35:26] Speaker 1: The Liberal Party in its weakest position in the history
[35:29] Speaker 1: of poling labor basically where they were at the election.
[35:31] Speaker 1: But again the overall picture is basically fifty five to
[35:33] Speaker 1: forty five in favor of the lefties. The issue of immigration,
[35:38] Speaker 1: and I always love when the lovies have to be
[35:40] Speaker 1: confronted by the reality that a very significant number of
[35:42] Speaker 1: Australians think too many people are being brought into the country.
[35:46] Speaker 1: Not because they're deep, dark and racist, but there's a
[35:48] Speaker 1: bunch of reasons. Why forty nine percent of people down
[35:52] Speaker 1: from fifty three believe or sorry, up, I should say
[35:55] Speaker 1: forty nine is now up to fifty three now believe
[35:58] Speaker 1: too many people coming in to the country. Why, well,
[36:02] Speaker 1: some of the reasons are worth seeing here where what
[36:05] Speaker 1: are the solutions? Well, restricting permanent migration under to those
[36:08] Speaker 1: who actually have the skills. Sixty percent are on board
[36:11] Speaker 1: for that. But what about pausing any immigration until our
[36:14] Speaker 1: housing situation is caught up? That's sixty four percent. Don't
[36:18] Speaker 1: tell anyone again more detail inside all of this polls.
[36:22] Speaker 1: Why are you concerned when it comes to migration, Well,
[36:26] Speaker 1: there's not enough houses and they're pushing prices up. It
[36:29] Speaker 1: puts pressure on our health and education services. These are
[36:34] Speaker 1: of course the reasons that we have talked about this
[36:36] Speaker 1: issue Uphill Downdale for as long as we have. Now again,
[36:39] Speaker 1: for some people it's going to be cultural. But where
[36:42] Speaker 1: are they going to live? Is not an unreasonable question, Daniel.
[36:45] Speaker 1: It is an area that any politician who wants to
[36:47] Speaker 1: be critical of it should focus on that. Okay, Treasurer,
[36:51] Speaker 1: where will they live? I notice in your budget it's
[36:53] Speaker 1: two hundred thousand people in the next year. Where will
[36:56] Speaker 1: they live?
[37:00] Speaker 6: Well?
[37:00] Speaker 3: Exactly? I mean, I think this is the single biggest
[37:02] Speaker 3: issue facing our country right now. The community is quite
[37:05] Speaker 3: hot with anger, and they have been now for a
[37:08] Speaker 3: number of years. I mean, the number of people that
[37:10] Speaker 3: have been brought into our country since COVID is more
[37:13] Speaker 3: than any time in our nation's history. We've got a
[37:17] Speaker 3: housing shortage. It's hard for people to get into a
[37:19] Speaker 3: GP or access local services. And then whenever you try
[37:22] Speaker 3: to debate this or raise it, you're called a racist
[37:26] Speaker 3: and you're accused of having nefarious motives. Yet two thirds
[37:29] Speaker 3: of Australians are saying they want a pause on immigration
[37:34] Speaker 3: until we have enough housing. Two thirds. That is astonishing.
[37:37] Speaker 3: This is an issue that the political class simply does
[37:41] Speaker 3: not want to deal with and Look, the other issue
[37:44] Speaker 3: here is that this has been building for some time.
[37:47] Speaker 3: Australians can feel it in their day to day lived
[37:50] Speaker 3: experience when they're driving around, when they're trying to get
[37:52] Speaker 3: a local service. This is not just an abstract issue.
[37:55] Speaker 1: Now.
[37:55] Speaker 3: The treasury types will tell you, well, if you don't
[37:58] Speaker 3: bring in large number of migrants, the economy is going
[38:00] Speaker 3: to crash. But the reality is, think about this. The
[38:03] Speaker 3: last financial year, according to the ABS, only seventeen percent
[38:08] Speaker 3: of all of those who came here were on a
[38:10] Speaker 3: skilled visa. Seventeen percent. Yeah, the government says they're having
[38:14] Speaker 3: a skilled migration program. They're just having a laugh of us,
[38:17] Speaker 3: Paul so Lee.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Eighty one percent of people say one of the biggest
[38:21] Speaker 1: reasons why we should be pausing this stuff is because
[38:24] Speaker 1: of housing, and more than half, in fact, more than
[38:28] Speaker 1: sixty percent of people believing that the paws should continue
[38:31] Speaker 1: until the housing is fixed. Surprise. One nation has always
[38:34] Speaker 1: been there, but this is one of those ones. Again,
[38:36] Speaker 1: the polite society, I guarantee you that opinion poll is
[38:40] Speaker 1: going to be buried somewhere underneath the problems for the Libs.
[38:43] Speaker 1: But the reality is is that to understand the problems
[38:47] Speaker 1: with the political class is to understand how migration and
[38:51] Speaker 1: mass migration remember referred to as the Libs as somehow
[38:54] Speaker 1: unpleasant and offensive to say, again, it's not about whom
[38:58] Speaker 1: lives next door. It's about whether there is a place
[39:00] Speaker 1: to live next door.
[39:04] Speaker 2: Spot on, Paul and totally agree, Dan. People are feeling it.
[39:09] Speaker 2: It is exactly everyday lived experiences. Why are we afraid
[39:12] Speaker 2: to have these conversations? The major parties skirt around it,
[39:16] Speaker 2: They won't address it, they won't deal it with head on.
[39:19] Speaker 2: You know, they don't want to be branded with the
[39:22] Speaker 2: racial tags. Hence why one nation cops those ones because
[39:25] Speaker 2: we're the only ones that are actually coming forward and
[39:27] Speaker 2: dealing with the conversation, which is purely we cannot sustain
[39:31] Speaker 2: the numbers and it's putting pressure as you say, housing, education, infrastructure, roads, medical, etc.
[39:39] Speaker 2: The list goes on. One nation's policy is actually that
[39:43] Speaker 2: we cap it at one hundred and thirty thousand, and
[39:46] Speaker 2: that works out about net neutral. You think about people
[39:49] Speaker 2: leaving the country and debts, and then by having one
[39:52] Speaker 2: thirty it still allows those truly skilled immigrants to come in.
[39:57] Speaker 2: As you talked about, Dan, help us where it's needed.
[40:02] Speaker 2: We cannot sustain any more numbers, and we've got to
[40:04] Speaker 2: stop branding these radical left in tags of race as
[40:09] Speaker 2: being or cultural as being the reason why we're wanting
[40:11] Speaker 2: this conversation. We've got to look at what's best for
[40:15] Speaker 2: our country and our future and we shouldn't be shying
[40:18] Speaker 2: away from.
[40:18] Speaker 1: It with you completely, all right. Bold prediction for the
[40:21] Speaker 1: week ahead. More people will agree with me that Lee
[40:23] Speaker 1: Hanson's new Bob fantastic, amazing, eleven out of ten, well done,
[40:28] Speaker 1: love the bangs looking great all right. On top of that, though, Daniel,
[40:32] Speaker 1: give me your bumper sticker. What's definitely happening this week
[40:34] Speaker 1: is your bold prediction?
[40:38] Speaker 3: Well, my balld prediction is that I don't think pack
[40:41] Speaker 3: Cummins is going to come back to the cricket team.
[40:43] Speaker 3: You know we're doing too good without him, and you
[40:46] Speaker 3: know I've been so happy without having pack Cummins there,
[40:48] Speaker 3: having a woke cricket captain. I don't want to watch
[40:51] Speaker 3: it having Steve Smith, someone who actually loves the country,
[40:53] Speaker 3: who will seeing the anthem. I'm very happy for Steve Smith.
[40:56] Speaker 3: He shouldn't have cheated, he shouldn't have cheated, but he
[40:59] Speaker 3: does love Australia Pat Corumbers doesn't. Let's keep Steve Smith
[41:03] Speaker 3: as captain.
[41:03] Speaker 1: That's my prediction, all right, get out on the streets
[41:05] Speaker 1: of Adelaide and see how that goes. That's where the
[41:07] Speaker 1: next test is, Lee, your bold prediction please?
[41:11] Speaker 2: Well, for first, Dan, I need to get up with
[41:13] Speaker 2: sport more. If I'm going to do bold predictions with you,
[41:16] Speaker 2: I'm a little bit in the dark on these ones.
[41:18] Speaker 2: So I've got to get my pull the socks up there,
[41:22] Speaker 2: my bold protection for this week or I'm curious to
[41:26] Speaker 2: see and hopeful maybe that Barnaby's sandwich press steak might
[41:31] Speaker 2: have digested a little bit and he's closer to making
[41:34] Speaker 2: a decision.
[41:35] Speaker 1: We can only hope.
[41:36] Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.
[41:38] Speaker 1: Thank you for that grab in the morning. I appreciate
[41:40] Speaker 1: it very good. Thank you, Lee, Thank you, Daniel'll see
[41:42] Speaker 1: you again, all right, quick break back with more. The
[41:44] Speaker 1: great Mark Doland joins us from the United Kingdom. He
[41:47] Speaker 1: has got plenty to talk about. We'll also the Channevan
[41:49] Speaker 1: Oscar Pashi fingers cross. He wins, but a lot it's
[41:52] Speaker 1: going to go his way, but still well done on
[41:53] Speaker 1: an incredible season. Go Australia. Don't mention the cricket. Okay,
[42:03] Speaker 1: I went with my English friend Mark Dolan, who I'm
[42:05] Speaker 1: sure didn't pay any attention whatsoever to a very significant
[42:09] Speaker 1: to to Teste victory thus far for Australia. L Yeah,
[42:16] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, all right, thank you? Fair enough? All right, Well,
[42:19] Speaker 1: a similar attitude and mac Dowland of course talk to
[42:21] Speaker 1: you Vegan. Find him on YouTube as well. Really great guy.
[42:25] Speaker 1: Somebody who has been a very big and significant supporter
[42:28] Speaker 1: of the Labor Party for a long time is saying
[42:30] Speaker 1: that's it, no more money, no more help, because Keir
[42:33] Speaker 1: Starmer and the Mob are terrible.
[42:36] Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. It's the leader of the Unite union,
[42:39] Speaker 6: which is one of the biggest funders of the governing
[42:41] Speaker 6: Labor Party. Labor relies on their millions every year to
[42:45] Speaker 6: keep campaigning and to keep running as an organization. And
[42:49] Speaker 6: actually they've had a debt crisis for years now. They've
[42:51] Speaker 6: got a massive overdraft, big financial problems and now their
[42:55] Speaker 6: main backer wants to pull out. Right, this will be
[42:57] Speaker 6: a huge thing. The history of the Labor Party, the
[42:59] Speaker 6: clues in the names about representing workers the unions were
[43:03] Speaker 6: the basis of the Labor Party as we know it,
[43:05] Speaker 6: and now they want out. They consider Starman to be
[43:08] Speaker 6: out of his depth, incompetent. But here's what's terrifying, Paul.
[43:12] Speaker 6: They're not happy with the policy platform. Now at the moment,
[43:15] Speaker 6: we've got the highest tax burden since the Second World War,
[43:19] Speaker 6: net zero, zelotry and open borders. But the Unite Union
[43:24] Speaker 6: want to have a more left wing prime minister. Be afraid,
[43:27] Speaker 6: be very afraid, so hang on.
[43:29] Speaker 1: So despite the fact that all of those failures that
[43:31] Speaker 1: you just listed, they want somebody who's going to be
[43:34] Speaker 1: worse than Stammer. Now I'm not giving money of this
[43:37] Speaker 1: bloke because I want someone who's worse.
[43:40] Speaker 6: That's exactly it. What is going to happen if Starmer goes,
[43:43] Speaker 6: which I predict Paul, he'll be gone within a year.
[43:46] Speaker 6: What's going to happen is that there'll be pressure to
[43:49] Speaker 6: replace him with someone from the left of the party.
[43:51] Speaker 6: Because although the public are essentially sick of the cost
[43:55] Speaker 6: of net zero, they're tired of the open borders, and
[43:58] Speaker 6: they're struggling with inflation and low growth. What they're concerned
[44:01] Speaker 6: about within the labor movement is having an ideological hero
[44:04] Speaker 6: who represents their ultra woke position. So the only chance
[44:09] Speaker 6: you've got of replacing Keir Starmer is if you're more
[44:11] Speaker 6: left wing. And at that point, I think it's bankruptcy
[44:14] Speaker 6: and I'll have to move to Australia.
[44:16] Speaker 1: Man anytime. Don't worry. Look we'll take a picture of
[44:19] Speaker 1: the background. We'll make it seem like it's a case. Look,
[44:21] Speaker 1: no one's going to believe the weather's the same, but
[44:23] Speaker 1: you know, we'll do our best, all right now, Megan
[44:26] Speaker 1: Markle gosh now her father. We know, strange is the
[44:30] Speaker 1: polite term for they don't talk to each other. But
[44:33] Speaker 1: this like understandably is saying, hang on, I've got grandkids.
[44:35] Speaker 1: I'd really like to make them, and I've been crooked,
[44:38] Speaker 1: so I don't know how long I'm going to be around.
[44:40] Speaker 6: Her response silence, Absolutely right, And it looks like there's
[44:45] Speaker 6: misinformation coming from Montcito, which is not out of character.
[44:50] Speaker 6: The official spokesperson for Harry and Meghan for the Sussexes
[44:53] Speaker 6: said that they have reached out to Thomas Markle Well.
[44:56] Speaker 6: One of the main newspapers in this country, The Mail
[44:58] Speaker 6: on Sunday, have an exclusive interview with Thomas Markle Senor
[45:02] Speaker 6: and he said, sorry the phone has not rang. And
[45:06] Speaker 6: it's very sad, Paul, because this guy's eighty one years
[45:09] Speaker 6: of age. He's pining for his daughter. He'd love to
[45:11] Speaker 6: meet his grandkids. He wouldn't mind meeting his son in
[45:14] Speaker 6: law as well, Prince Harry, who's only spoken to him
[45:17] Speaker 6: on the phone. And he's lost the leg. You know,
[45:19] Speaker 6: the guy's fighting for his life. He's in intensive care
[45:22] Speaker 6: in the Philippines and he's had an amputation in order
[45:25] Speaker 6: to you know, essentially stop him from dying from sepsis
[45:29] Speaker 6: or something. He's in a bad way and all he
[45:32] Speaker 6: wants to do is here from his daughter. And this
[45:34] Speaker 6: is obviously a human tragedy, Paul. But it's bad pr
[45:37] Speaker 6: for Meghan as well, because she's just released her Netflix
[45:40] Speaker 6: show With Love Meghan, the Christmas Special, all about bringing
[45:43] Speaker 6: family together, but not when it comes to her own family.
[45:46] Speaker 1: Seriously, that's I mean, like again from her logic, right,
[45:51] Speaker 1: So imagine, you know, obviously, as the rules are paranoid,
[45:53] Speaker 1: if she goes anywhere you need them, this will end
[45:55] Speaker 1: up in the newspapers. Well, this is an opportunity. She
[45:58] Speaker 1: can turn it into content that people might actually want
[46:00] Speaker 1: to watch as opposed to family it's so important to
[46:04] Speaker 1: me at Christmas, we'll hang on. He doesn't see his
[46:07] Speaker 1: and you don't see yours. So which family are you
[46:09] Speaker 1: bringing together at Christmas? Well?
[46:12] Speaker 6: This is it, you know. And Meghan's got a history
[46:14] Speaker 6: on this. She cancels people. You know, her ex husband
[46:17] Speaker 6: Trevor Engelson. The minute she got that role in Suits,
[46:20] Speaker 6: he was gone. Her best friend Jessica mulrooney over a
[46:23] Speaker 6: non existent race for our Piers Morgan, who introduced her
[46:26] Speaker 6: to the UK media scene. Not only did she cancel him,
[46:29] Speaker 6: she got him fired from his breakfast TV show. This
[46:32] Speaker 6: woman is very dangerous, but I think she's picked the
[46:34] Speaker 6: wrong foe in Thomas Markle, because the public are united
[46:38] Speaker 6: in their sympathy for this guy, Paul. Why is he
[46:41] Speaker 6: in the Philippines where a third of the population live
[46:44] Speaker 6: below the poverty line because he's flat broke. Why is
[46:46] Speaker 6: he flat broke? Because according to his son, Thomas Markle Junior,
[46:50] Speaker 6: he spent three quarters of a million dollars on Meghan's education,
[46:54] Speaker 6: including by the way, acting classes. And I would say
[46:57] Speaker 6: ask for a refund.
[47:00] Speaker 1: Well, thankfully, full freight. You deserve it, You've earned it tonight,
[47:03] Speaker 1: thank you very much. I love you, Mark, You're the best.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Mark Doland. Then I can find him on talk TV.
[47:07] Speaker 1: You can find him on YouTube as well. Really smart, fun,
[47:09] Speaker 1: lovely bloke. Perfect gen Xa for us to be with
[47:12] Speaker 1: on a Sunday night quick break back with more here
[47:14] Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Line

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