# Paul Murray Live | 5 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 5 Jul 2026, 49 min.

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Public service costs blow out by $20 billion, Anthony Albanese speaks at the New South Wales Labor Conference. Plus, Moira Deeming defends legal action. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Oh, I made the vibes a high. Come on into
[0:08] Speaker 2: the man cave hopefully about a wonderful weekend. I'm pump
[0:11] Speaker 2: because of West Tiger's one and then I rollw their
[0:13] Speaker 2: first round may be the best season yet for the ladies.
[0:16] Speaker 2: We're gonna let to get a lot to get to tonight,
[0:18] Speaker 2: including nooks.
[0:19] Speaker 1: No left is.
[0:20] Speaker 2: That's my promise and present to you tonight. But as
[0:25] Speaker 2: many people are getting ready to go to work again
[0:28] Speaker 2: next week, you know this a couple of days, we're
[0:30] Speaker 2: gonna have to work your backside off.
[0:32] Speaker 1: That's just to pay the tax.
[0:33] Speaker 2: And obviously that tax goes to the politicians, and the
[0:35] Speaker 2: politicians make those terrible social media videos.
[0:39] Speaker 1: I'll show you those in a moment or two time.
[0:41] Speaker 1: But of course, regardless of the people that we elect.
[0:45] Speaker 2: To the parliament, the reality is that in many ways
[0:49] Speaker 2: the power of the Australian government isn't even in Parliament
[0:53] Speaker 2: House itself. Instead, in some ways it is with the
[0:59] Speaker 2: deep state, the Bill of Bong, the swamp, the public service,
[1:03] Speaker 2: if you will, And we know that yes, occasionally they
[1:06] Speaker 2: have to turn up and not answer questions about their
[1:09] Speaker 2: actions about their decisions. They can't ever define what a
[1:12] Speaker 2: woman is and bid know where that billion dollars went
[1:15] Speaker 2: here or there. They are kind of part of the problem, right, yes,
[1:20] Speaker 2: the triangle of dependence, but you know all about that.
[1:24] Speaker 2: But of course the problem is that it's other people's money.
[1:28] Speaker 2: Why does something blow out by a billion dollars here
[1:30] Speaker 2: and billion dollars there because it's.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Other people's money.
[1:33] Speaker 2: You just keep going back to the machine and it
[1:35] Speaker 2: just adds to the debt one trillion dollars in counting.
[1:38] Speaker 2: And there's hundreds of thousands of people who work for
[1:40] Speaker 2: the federal government, and under a labor government, there's always
[1:45] Speaker 2: more people who end up working for the federal government
[1:49] Speaker 2: and they end up getting paid more as well. So
[1:52] Speaker 2: this is how much the public service wages bill has blown.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Out over the past few years.
[1:59] Speaker 2: In just couple of years, you've been able to add
[2:01] Speaker 2: an extra what five billion dollars on top of that.
[2:05] Speaker 2: It'll end up being ten billion dollars according to the budget.
[2:10] Speaker 2: That's a little red line dot that is on its way.
[2:13] Speaker 2: Why am I mentioning all of this at the start
[2:14] Speaker 2: of the show, not to depress you, but just to
[2:17] Speaker 2: tell you how the other half or dare I say
[2:20] Speaker 2: two percent live now despite the fact that the federal
[2:26] Speaker 2: public service is bigger than it's ever been, costs more
[2:29] Speaker 2: than it ever has, and it blows out and finds
[2:32] Speaker 2: new ways to blow out each and every year. The
[2:35] Speaker 2: Financial review, of course, talking about this in and around
[2:37] Speaker 2: budget time. As you get prepared for another five days
[2:43] Speaker 2: of work. If you've got some time off because of
[2:44] Speaker 2: the school holidays and public school, private school, good luck
[2:47] Speaker 2: to you.
[2:47] Speaker 1: Enjoy the time with the kids. But of course, if you're.
[2:50] Speaker 2: Somebody working in small business, the iddea of just a
[2:52] Speaker 2: five day week is a luxury. Well, imagine working for
[2:56] Speaker 2: the federal government where you get paid more than you
[2:59] Speaker 2: ever had before, but you'll have to work less than
[3:01] Speaker 2: ever before, because as you can see on your screen, now,
[3:04] Speaker 2: what do they want, this being the unions who represent
[3:06] Speaker 2: everyone in the public service four days they would have
[3:10] Speaker 2: worked for four days a week plus. They want fifteen
[3:13] Speaker 2: percent pay rise, less work, more money. And these are
[3:17] Speaker 2: the people who, of course, it doesn't matter whether it's
[3:19] Speaker 2: a red government, a blue government, an orange opposition tal
[3:25] Speaker 2: these are the people that are there forever now correct
[3:28] Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, but I always thought that perhaps
[3:32] Speaker 2: in exchange for private sector salaries, one of the advantages
[3:35] Speaker 2: of working for the public service is that a you
[3:38] Speaker 2: get better superannuation at B, little more holidays and c.
[3:43] Speaker 2: It's very difficult to sack people in the public service,
[3:46] Speaker 2: and we know that anyone who even suggests it cuts cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts,
[3:50] Speaker 2: and you know, they pretend that we're robbing money from
[3:52] Speaker 2: little old ladies and pushing kids out in their prams
[3:56] Speaker 2: into the rain. But of course they want the money
[4:02] Speaker 2: as if they worked for a bank, but they want
[4:04] Speaker 2: to pretend that they're working for a local council and
[4:07] Speaker 2: by that I mean doing the stop go signs. A
[4:10] Speaker 2: four day week trial, increased annual leave and protections to
[4:15] Speaker 2: prevent AI from replacing workers are among the demands the
[4:18] Speaker 2: Albaneze government will consider in good faith, which means they
[4:21] Speaker 2: haven't said no as it seeks a new deal with
[4:25] Speaker 2: two hundred thousand federal public servants. How you feel and
[4:28] Speaker 2: getting ready to go to work to morrow to pay
[4:29] Speaker 2: for this garbage. In addition to the fifteen percent wage claim,
[4:33] Speaker 2: the CPSU, the Commonwealth Public Sector Unit, is pushing for
[4:37] Speaker 2: uniform conditions across the Australian public service.
[4:41] Speaker 1: Key demands include.
[4:42] Speaker 2: A four day a week trial, reduced reliance on external
[4:47] Speaker 2: consultants and contractors, and.
[4:48] Speaker 1: A guaranteed learning and development time.
[4:51] Speaker 2: So even when they go to work for four days
[4:53] Speaker 2: a week, of which they might be able to work
[4:55] Speaker 2: from home, they want some of that time to be
[4:58] Speaker 2: some professional development. The union is also seeking to expand
[5:03] Speaker 2: leave entitlements for disability, reproductive health, cultural purposes. They still
[5:09] Speaker 2: have good Friday off, regardless of whether they believe or
[5:12] Speaker 2: not their own cultural time right, as well as some
[5:16] Speaker 2: time off if you are so inclined for some gender
[5:18] Speaker 2: affirming care. Now, the gag about all of this is that,
[5:24] Speaker 2: of course a version of this is going to happen,
[5:27] Speaker 2: maybe not fifteen percent, maybe not four day a week
[5:29] Speaker 2: for everyone everywhere, but they're definitely getting a pay rise,
[5:32] Speaker 2: and there's probably going to be a better than even
[5:34] Speaker 2: chance of eventually getting to the four day work week.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Now.
[5:37] Speaker 2: Unions want the four day work week not because they
[5:40] Speaker 2: want everyone to have more time with their families, because
[5:42] Speaker 2: they want to expand weekends. That's, of course, the wrapping
[5:45] Speaker 2: in which it will be. The reality is that they
[5:48] Speaker 2: want to introduce a third day of penalty rates. So
[5:52] Speaker 2: say double time on a Saturday, triple time on a Sunday. Well,
[5:56] Speaker 2: there might be double time on a Friday, triple time
[5:58] Speaker 2: on a Saturday, quadron pull time on a Sunday. And
[6:03] Speaker 2: if it starts at the public service, it eventually moves
[6:05] Speaker 2: its way into the big companies. The big companies eventually
[6:08] Speaker 2: set the rules that eventually it becomes the law of
[6:11] Speaker 2: the land. Why because it's other people's money. Because the
[6:15] Speaker 2: government doesn't need to run a profit. In fact, it
[6:18] Speaker 2: runs at quite a loss. It never pulls in its
[6:22] Speaker 2: spending because the very people whose job it is to
[6:24] Speaker 2: spend the money. No one is incentivized in that system
[6:27] Speaker 2: to save the money. So the system will get bigger
[6:31] Speaker 2: and bigger and more expensive and more expensive. But the
[6:34] Speaker 2: computer says no. The computer says no, but AI won't
[6:36] Speaker 2: be allowed to take over and they'll be closed on Fridays.
[6:41] Speaker 2: Welcome to the reality of the Australian Public Service in
[6:43] Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, getting ready for twenty twenty seven, and
[6:46] Speaker 2: by twenty thirty, imagine a fifteen percent pay rise because
[6:49] Speaker 2: you know, of course the living more money, less work.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And again, the joke of all of this is that
[6:58] Speaker 2: we have a government who have no real economic agenda.
[7:01] Speaker 2: They have you sid taxation agenda. We've all lived that
[7:04] Speaker 2: and lived through those lives over the past couple of months.
[7:06] Speaker 2: But remember when one of their big ideas was to
[7:10] Speaker 2: get all of the pointy heads they possibly could into
[7:13] Speaker 2: a room to have yet another conference.
[7:15] Speaker 1: To talk about what was that word? It starts with P.
[7:19] Speaker 3: Productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity and productivity productivity.
[7:24] Speaker 2: Now, generally speaking, the trader for productivity is okay, you
[7:26] Speaker 2: got to pay rise, but you've got to work a
[7:28] Speaker 2: little bit harder for the pay rise. And not in
[7:31] Speaker 2: the Australian public service, not in how the other two
[7:36] Speaker 2: percent live, where you get more money for less work,
[7:41] Speaker 2: and if you dare challenge it then somehow you hate
[7:45] Speaker 2: your grandparents.
[7:46] Speaker 1: Please.
[7:49] Speaker 2: Now, of course it is a couple of months on
[7:51] Speaker 2: from the budget. Yes, there is a reason to mention
[7:54] Speaker 2: this again this evening, because the prime ministers found a
[7:56] Speaker 2: new way of patching up that glass jaw. Now remember
[8:01] Speaker 2: it was the greatest budget of all time. Australians loved
[8:03] Speaker 2: it right, No, of course, at least populous since nineteen
[8:05] Speaker 2: ninety three. According to newspoll In they were left leaning
[8:10] Speaker 2: organizations like the Nine newspapers. Well, they hoped that things
[8:14] Speaker 2: have got better for the government since the budget, But
[8:15] Speaker 2: as I've shown you a few times, no, their ideas
[8:18] Speaker 2: are becoming less popular more unpopular. The green is shrinking,
[8:22] Speaker 2: the red is growing, as people oppose the negative gearing changes,
[8:26] Speaker 2: oppose the capital gain states changes, oppose the federal family
[8:31] Speaker 2: trust rules. And remember when the Prime Minister who was
[8:36] Speaker 2: being punished for his lies, and even though the lies
[8:38] Speaker 2: have now become law, they are still lies. And remember
[8:42] Speaker 2: how deeply offended they were at any suggestion that they lied.
[8:46] Speaker 2: Remember it was just a change of position, Darling. Imagine
[8:49] Speaker 2: using that if you got home a little bit late
[8:51] Speaker 2: on Friday or Saturday night with your partner.
[8:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't work, doesn't.
[8:56] Speaker 2: And then, of course there was the everyone who opposed
[8:59] Speaker 2: everything here was part of some right wing conspiracy, including
[9:02] Speaker 2: all of those female business leaders who were talking to
[9:05] Speaker 2: the ABC about the effects that it would have on
[9:07] Speaker 2: their business running AI.
[9:09] Speaker 1: For diversity programs.
[9:11] Speaker 2: But still anyone who didn't like the budget, the Prime
[9:13] Speaker 2: Minister's first whack was this the red trick of the.
[9:17] Speaker 4: Three right wing parties.
[9:18] Speaker 1: And their allies.
[9:21] Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers of course didn't help by going on sixty minutes.
[9:26] Speaker 5: We've laid out in the budget a costed plan for
[9:29] Speaker 5: tax reform in this country, and that's because the status
[9:33] Speaker 5: quo in the housing market and the tax system is
[9:35] Speaker 5: broken and we're fixing it.
[9:39] Speaker 2: Of course, it was just the vested interests, the evil
[9:41] Speaker 2: mustache twirling monarch or wearing chagar macan landlords, you know,
[9:48] Speaker 2: seventy five percent of which only have one house, majority
[9:52] Speaker 2: of which working class people, you know, doctors, teacher's nurses,
[9:57] Speaker 2: that's not the deal.
[9:58] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Or the Prime minister who had multiple but it.
[10:00] Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, right, he's got the money, he's retiring to
[10:03] Speaker 2: the house on a hill in Copacabana.
[10:05] Speaker 1: Are with you?
[10:08] Speaker 2: And then they decided to say that anyone who had
[10:10] Speaker 2: a problem with this, well, of course you're just sexist, right.
[10:13] Speaker 6: Does anyone else find it weird that a whole bunch
[10:16] Speaker 6: of internet finance bros Are suddenly concerned about renters. So
[10:19] Speaker 6: when you see a video from a finance bro defending
[10:22] Speaker 6: these tax concessions, it's worth thinking about what they stand
[10:25] Speaker 6: to gain.
[10:27] Speaker 2: Well, the Prime Minister, now that the lives had become law,
[10:31] Speaker 2: has come up with his new pitch, his way to
[10:34] Speaker 2: go on the attack is the best form of defense
[10:36] Speaker 2: because he doesn't need to defend himself anymore because they've
[10:38] Speaker 2: made the changes. And if you remember that they promise
[10:41] Speaker 2: not to make the changes, you're the problem.
[10:42] Speaker 1: Now he's moved to you're dumb. If you disagree with
[10:46] Speaker 1: any of the things that they have done, you are
[10:49] Speaker 1: flat out dumb.
[10:51] Speaker 2: Here he was speaking to the new so Whil's Labor
[10:52] Speaker 2: Party conference before jumping on a jet and going air
[10:56] Speaker 2: force elbow.
[11:00] Speaker 3: The entirely predictable and barely coherent noise from the usual
[11:05] Speaker 3: suspects to one side. One feature of the current debate
[11:10] Speaker 3: has really stood out to me. In all the conversations
[11:14] Speaker 3: I've had, and all the interviews I've done, all of
[11:19] Speaker 3: the press conferences I've held in the Parliament itself in
[11:24] Speaker 3: question time, no one has argued that the housing market
[11:30] Speaker 3: was working fine the way that it was.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Nice moving in the gold persons there. See, this is
[11:37] Speaker 2: what labor does. This is what this bloke does. Particularly,
[11:40] Speaker 2: this is what the media forgives him for. Remember that
[11:43] Speaker 2: reporter from the Guardian that I showed you. He said
[11:46] Speaker 2: it's okay that he lied, because you know, the febrile
[11:48] Speaker 2: media environment, news corp et cetera, et cetera means it's
[11:52] Speaker 2: so difficult to have real reforms these days, so you
[11:55] Speaker 2: just lie about it before the election.
[11:57] Speaker 1: Again, no one.
[12:01] Speaker 2: Is arguing that everything as it was was the only
[12:04] Speaker 2: way to do it. The thing is in a democracy
[12:07] Speaker 2: if you are planning on making such a decision. And
[12:08] Speaker 2: we know Charmers had that belief since twenty nineteen, since
[12:12] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, lied about it in twenty two, lied about
[12:16] Speaker 2: it when asked fifty times in twenty twenty six. But
[12:20] Speaker 2: you know who cares, right, But they do this thing
[12:23] Speaker 2: where even though they have lied, even though they are
[12:28] Speaker 2: going to continue to screw small business, even though the
[12:31] Speaker 2: youngest member of your family, yes, may fingers crossed if
[12:35] Speaker 2: the housing market goes down by five, ten, fifteen percent,
[12:39] Speaker 2: be able to get into that first home. But the
[12:42] Speaker 2: reality is that everyone else who needs to sell their
[12:45] Speaker 2: home for more than they paid for it, who bought
[12:49] Speaker 2: their house not twenty years ago, but say two years
[12:51] Speaker 2: ago or five years ago, or the people who may
[12:54] Speaker 2: well have got into the thing via the five percent deposit,
[12:57] Speaker 2: who now are paying off a loan that is bigger
[12:59] Speaker 2: than the worth.
[13:00] Speaker 1: Of the house.
[13:01] Speaker 2: They are planning to sell or may have to sell
[13:03] Speaker 2: because they may not be able to keep up with
[13:06] Speaker 2: their mortgage because interest rates keep going up, you know,
[13:08] Speaker 2: because we've turned the corner on inflation. Right, that's all
[13:10] Speaker 2: this stuff matters. No, no, you say this stuff. It's incoherent.
[13:14] Speaker 2: You're dumb. And then we get down to this absolute
[13:19] Speaker 2: rubbish from Albow and his mates and it works, which
[13:24] Speaker 2: is they just pointed their opponents and go, oh, they're weird.
[13:27] Speaker 1: You don't want to agree with weird, do you. You're
[13:31] Speaker 1: not weird, are you?
[13:36] Speaker 2: So hence, why the people who have been representing the
[13:38] Speaker 2: more than half of the country who did not like
[13:41] Speaker 2: this budget, the more than half of the country that
[13:43] Speaker 2: has grown, and it's dislike.
[13:44] Speaker 1: Of this budget. The lies that have become law.
[13:46] Speaker 2: Well, they represent of course one nation and the coalition
[13:49] Speaker 2: in the National Party and the Liberal Party. So again
[13:52] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister pretending that their lies have become law,
[13:54] Speaker 2: so therefore.
[13:55] Speaker 1: No one's allowed to talk about this. He's borrowing from
[13:59] Speaker 1: George W. Bush.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Remember the axis of evil, Well, now it's the axis
[14:03] Speaker 2: of grievance.
[14:06] Speaker 3: It is the race to the bottom that all three
[14:09] Speaker 3: right wing parties are caught up in. They are the
[14:13] Speaker 3: axis of grievance, each trying to be more anti fairness,
[14:18] Speaker 3: more anti worker, more anti aspiration.
[14:22] Speaker 4: This is why, for.
[14:24] Speaker 3: All the shifts in the landscape over the years, the
[14:27] Speaker 3: fundamental contrast in Australian politics remains the same. Our opponents
[14:33] Speaker 3: only ever define themselves by who and what they are against.
[14:40] Speaker 2: Again, this is the fantasy land right where you see
[14:44] Speaker 2: the reflection in the mirror and you think it's somebody
[14:48] Speaker 2: else anti aspiration. Now again, changes to small business taxation
[14:56] Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the capacity of somebody to
[15:00] Speaker 2: be able to get their first house. The single biggest
[15:03] Speaker 2: impediment to the first house is your ability to save
[15:06] Speaker 2: for the deposit. And most people, because of increased rent,
[15:10] Speaker 2: increase everything else, increase.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Petrol petrol tax went up last week.
[15:16] Speaker 2: And so much more, means there's nothing left over to
[15:18] Speaker 2: save for the house, to get the five percent deposit
[15:21] Speaker 2: to get into the house.
[15:25] Speaker 1: And they say at the.
[15:26] Speaker 2: End of the rainbow, well, hopefully, you know, seven thousand
[15:29] Speaker 2: people a year will eventually be helped out by the scheme,
[15:32] Speaker 2: But of course the markets will be bigger than just
[15:34] Speaker 2: seven and a half thousand people, and eventually, maybe in
[15:37] Speaker 2: ten years they get to extrapolate that to seventy five thousand.
[15:40] Speaker 2: Well that's basically, you know, enough to win a federal electorate.
[15:43] Speaker 2: So eventually the mats works for them.
[15:45] Speaker 1: Politically, anti aspiration. He's the one.
[15:49] Speaker 2: Who has cut off your ability to come up with
[15:53] Speaker 2: that idea for a business, turn it into a world
[15:56] Speaker 2: killing business, or whatever you define success to be before
[16:00] Speaker 2: he takes a bigger chunk on the back end.
[16:04] Speaker 1: He's the one.
[16:05] Speaker 2: Who was able to get himself to a place of
[16:07] Speaker 2: only working in the private sector for one year early
[16:10] Speaker 2: eighties bank teller.
[16:11] Speaker 1: That's it. Rest of it, government, state government, federal government.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Labor Party officers, member of parliament for thirty years, Oh
[16:23] Speaker 2: ladder of aspiration.
[16:23] Speaker 1: It's the Liberals that are cutting that away.
[16:27] Speaker 7: Now.
[16:27] Speaker 2: The truth is that, as we have seen in all
[16:29] Speaker 2: of the polling, the Liberal parties' ideas are more popular
[16:33] Speaker 2: than the Labour Party's ideas. When it came to this budget,
[16:35] Speaker 2: they have been unable to get that message out. But
[16:40] Speaker 2: you want to talk about what they're actually four. They'refore
[16:44] Speaker 2: matching migration to housing. What a crazy idea. You only
[16:48] Speaker 2: allow the people in where if we have new homes
[16:50] Speaker 2: for them to live in. Let's get rid of inflation
[16:54] Speaker 2: that moves people up through bracket creep, meaning they end
[16:57] Speaker 2: up paying more taxes. Their belief is that there's billings
[17:00] Speaker 2: to be saved for government, for business and for the
[17:03] Speaker 2: individual by the Axingham net zero. So that just what's
[17:07] Speaker 2: what they're against. Everything, it's about what they're against. Oh yeah,
[17:11] Speaker 2: and for one nation too, oh the policy free Zone.
[17:13] Speaker 2: According to the boss of the ABC, well they say
[17:16] Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty thousand people bang, that's it, that
[17:18] Speaker 2: are allowed into the country. They also have this idea
[17:21] Speaker 2: that is incredibly popular, which is called family tax splitting,
[17:25] Speaker 2: which put simply is, if both of you are working,
[17:28] Speaker 2: you've got a kid at home, you will be able
[17:31] Speaker 2: to have the amount of money or you'll be able
[17:34] Speaker 2: to basically pay the same amount of tax. So say
[17:38] Speaker 2: one of you's earning one hundred thousand and one of you
[17:39] Speaker 2: who's earning sixty thousand, they've moved across you both end
[17:42] Speaker 2: up paying the same amount. It ends up meaning you
[17:44] Speaker 2: save money as a family on taxation. Oh and they
[17:47] Speaker 2: have this crazy idea too that the education system that
[17:49] Speaker 2: we've thrown hundreds of billions of dollars into that keeps
[17:52] Speaker 2: getting worse and worse and worse and worse results. Maybe
[17:55] Speaker 2: some critical thinking rather than just brainwashing might be the
[17:58] Speaker 2: way to go. But again, the divide in Australia is
[18:03] Speaker 2: not really left and right. It's about whether you're paying
[18:04] Speaker 2: attention or not. If you are not paying attention, the
[18:07] Speaker 2: Prime Minister just goes, well, we're the ones that are helping,
[18:11] Speaker 2: We're the ones with all the ideas. Every choice we're
[18:13] Speaker 2: made is a positive choice. There is not a single
[18:15] Speaker 2: person who is disadvantaged by our choices. And if you
[18:19] Speaker 2: agree with the people who think that we're not doing
[18:20] Speaker 2: a great job, like six out of ten people in
[18:23] Speaker 2: the working class according to the Sky News Pulse, then you.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Are part of the axis of grievance.
[18:31] Speaker 2: And yeah, we're are two years out of an election,
[18:32] Speaker 2: and no doubt he will probably do well of the
[18:35] Speaker 2: next election because they'll find a new way to buy
[18:37] Speaker 2: off this person or buy off that person, or scare
[18:39] Speaker 2: people by pretending that paulin Hanson's going to ban you
[18:42] Speaker 2: from speaking the language of your former country at home.
[18:48] Speaker 1: Rubbish, And they'll.
[18:50] Speaker 2: Probably turn around and he's another twenty percent off the
[18:52] Speaker 2: heck'stabt just to lock in that youth, you know how
[18:55] Speaker 2: it goes, it'll be like just sender Allen, right, Like
[18:58] Speaker 2: I'm sure sinder Allen will pretend Toorian election is only
[19:01] Speaker 2: about whether you're able to work from.
[19:03] Speaker 1: Home or not.
[19:04] Speaker 2: Not corruption, not the CFMMU, not who knew what and when?
[19:07] Speaker 2: Not the cutting of funding to the corruption body or
[19:11] Speaker 2: the Ombudsman's office, let alone crime, let alone everything else,
[19:15] Speaker 2: Let alone the TRIPLEO system that still doesn't work, Let
[19:19] Speaker 2: alone the hospitals that.
[19:20] Speaker 1: Are record waiting lists. No, no, no, no no.
[19:22] Speaker 2: It's all about whether or not you can work from
[19:23] Speaker 2: home or not. And those Liberals one Nation, Oh, they're weird.
[19:27] Speaker 2: You wouldn't monovate with weird, would you. Well, right now
[19:30] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is trying to project confidence that the
[19:34] Speaker 2: Australian people don't have in him right now. They may
[19:36] Speaker 2: regain it. Who knows, we'll all find out together. But
[19:39] Speaker 2: Newspole has been able to have a look at the
[19:42] Speaker 2: primary vote for the political parties in lots of different areas.
[19:46] Speaker 2: But as for the Prime Minister himself, the majority of
[19:51] Speaker 2: people across the country, fifty eight percent of people, according
[19:53] Speaker 2: to Newspoll, dissatisfied with his performance. It's fifty six percent
[19:57] Speaker 2: in New South walest fifty six percent in Victoria.
[19:59] Speaker 1: Sixty four percent in Queensland.
[20:03] Speaker 2: Now, one of the little electoral secrets about how Labour
[20:05] Speaker 2: has been able to get to the ninety plus seats
[20:08] Speaker 2: that it has was extra seats in Queensland, while they
[20:10] Speaker 2: theoretically would disappear there. It's also the success in South
[20:14] Speaker 2: Australia and Western Australia, where fifty nine and fifty seven
[20:19] Speaker 2: percent of people are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister's performance.
[20:23] Speaker 2: And take a middle note here that the primary vote
[20:25] Speaker 2: for the Labour Party across the country right now is
[20:27] Speaker 2: thirty three percent.
[20:29] Speaker 1: Thirty three percent. Now, that is the.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Overall national number, but what's it like when it comes
[20:35] Speaker 2: to the states. Well, it is thirty one percent in
[20:39] Speaker 2: New South Wales, twenty eight percent in Victoria, thirty percent
[20:43] Speaker 2: in Queensland. And the only way you get kind of
[20:46] Speaker 2: close is again South Australia and Western Australia. So the
[20:51] Speaker 2: Prime Minister is going backwards in the places where he
[20:53] Speaker 2: has well and truly gone forwards, that being Queensland, South Australia,
[20:56] Speaker 2: Western Australia in terms of his personal approval rating terrible
[20:59] Speaker 2: in all of those places. But if you go backwards
[21:01] Speaker 2: by this margin in Victoria and in New South Wales,
[21:04] Speaker 2: that is a big chunk of change that comes out
[21:07] Speaker 2: of the ninety plus seats. So he may think that
[21:09] Speaker 2: there is nothing to worry about, nothing to see here,
[21:12] Speaker 2: access of grievance. But when lies become law and the
[21:16] Speaker 2: law is going to screw people over, it's not a
[21:20] Speaker 2: fantasy land that we're living.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Now. A little observation about the canber media and how they.
[21:29] Speaker 2: Have worked out how to put the coalition in particular
[21:34] Speaker 2: into a little pen and they will not let them
[21:36] Speaker 2: fight their way out of it. Now, remember we showed
[21:39] Speaker 2: you during the last federal election campaign all the easy
[21:41] Speaker 2: questions for the Prime Minister, all the nasty questions for
[21:44] Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. The horse race becomes the focus, The poles
[21:47] Speaker 2: become the focus. They're never able to get on offense.
[21:50] Speaker 2: You have to keep them on defense. Because we've keep
[21:52] Speaker 2: them on defense. Then status quo labor wins. Perfect example
[21:56] Speaker 2: of that is playing out in almost every interview I
[21:58] Speaker 2: see with any liberal anywhere, which is a question to
[22:02] Speaker 2: any liberal anywhere about one nation. Now the election is
[22:05] Speaker 2: two a bit years away. Yes, the polls have one
[22:07] Speaker 2: nation well and truly in front of the coalition for
[22:09] Speaker 2: where it stands.
[22:12] Speaker 1: But how many times do you see the same story
[22:14] Speaker 1: every day?
[22:16] Speaker 2: Every day we will not work with one nation. We're
[22:20] Speaker 2: not even being talked about. But of course, of course
[22:22] Speaker 2: two and a bit years out and again post election,
[22:25] Speaker 2: maybe if there's a mathematical scenario of who's going to
[22:28] Speaker 2: be in charge of the opposition, then that's a different
[22:30] Speaker 2: chatter for a different time, as it would be for
[22:32] Speaker 2: Labor if they were in a minority government or in
[22:35] Speaker 2: a minority position.
[22:36] Speaker 1: When it comes to opposition's.
[22:38] Speaker 2: Dante and again being asked and answering the same question
[22:41] Speaker 2: over and over over again.
[22:44] Speaker 8: We're not entertaining, we're not discussing, we're not thinking about
[22:48] Speaker 8: being part of a coalition with one nation. No, we
[22:53] Speaker 8: do not want to be part of a coalition with
[22:56] Speaker 8: one nation. We want to be part of a coalition
[22:58] Speaker 8: with the Liberal Party, the National Party, which does the
[23:01] Speaker 8: right thing by this country.
[23:05] Speaker 2: Good answer, But just the relentlessness of this question. It
[23:09] Speaker 2: is not because they are interested in the answer. It's
[23:12] Speaker 2: because if that's the question they keep asking. The right
[23:15] Speaker 2: side of Australian politics it stays on the defense if
[23:19] Speaker 2: it is allowed to get on the offense, then it
[23:20] Speaker 2: causes trouble for the Labor Party. Do not upset the
[23:23] Speaker 2: Labor Party. Do not upset the Greens, do not upset
[23:25] Speaker 2: the Tiffany Teals. Do not upset that order at all.
[23:29] Speaker 2: It must remain fifty five forty five. Because if that's
[23:31] Speaker 2: the case, then nothing, nothing will change. And that's the
[23:34] Speaker 2: way so many of them want it to be. Is
[23:36] Speaker 2: it a fair question when polls come out? Sure, we
[23:38] Speaker 2: asked it. Will we ask it at some point again? Sure,
[23:40] Speaker 2: but every single is not interested in finding the answer.
[23:48] Speaker 2: A couple of quick things to mention more, Demi is
[23:50] Speaker 2: still part of the Liberal party in Victoria. The absurdity
[23:53] Speaker 2: of her going to a court and trying to find
[23:55] Speaker 2: a way to get them to delay the decision, natural justice,
[23:58] Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Pretty obvious here she's going to go.
[24:02] Speaker 2: Pretty obvious she should go. And again, as we told
[24:05] Speaker 2: you last week, one nation not interested in providing her
[24:08] Speaker 2: with any sort of a safe landing.
[24:11] Speaker 1: Please. Nikki win mar I.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Have avoided talking about this because there was a court
[24:15] Speaker 2: case that was playing out. But Nikki win Ma was
[24:18] Speaker 2: of course free high profile former AFL footballer lauded by some.
[24:23] Speaker 2: The reality though, is that he was found guilty last
[24:29] Speaker 2: week of an assault, an assault on a woman, and
[24:32] Speaker 2: his standing in the game is now being wiped out.
[24:35] Speaker 2: A statue of Dickie when mother was at the front
[24:38] Speaker 2: of Optus Stadium in Perth they took it away this
[24:42] Speaker 2: morning and rightly so. And forgive me if you're not
[24:46] Speaker 2: mentioning this until now. But of course you have heard
[24:49] Speaker 2: about Tina McQueen made here at Sky News. Sadly, her
[24:53] Speaker 2: passing all very sudden, all very shocking to us. While
[24:56] Speaker 2: she had a funeral last week, it was very well
[24:59] Speaker 2: attended by high profile people that you know from the television.
[25:04] Speaker 2: But more importantly she counted as friends. Tena was always
[25:08] Speaker 2: an awful lot of fun. I'm so sorry that she
[25:10] Speaker 2: is no longer with us. Of course, to her friends
[25:12] Speaker 2: and family are offered nothing but strength and life.
[25:18] Speaker 1: Now.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Today was the fifth of the July, of the fifth
[25:23] Speaker 2: of July in Australia, fourth of July in the United States,
[25:26] Speaker 2: and yep, that was their birthday. I won't dwell on
[25:28] Speaker 2: this too much, but the celebration was as big as
[25:31] Speaker 2: it was planned.
[25:33] Speaker 1: The biggest fireworks display ever was in d C.
[25:36] Speaker 2: It was after a very hot day with some disruptions,
[25:39] Speaker 2: but they just went all in. The president, unsurprisingly was
[25:44] Speaker 2: the president of which the Rawschak test where you liked
[25:46] Speaker 2: the speech, you didn't like the speech, but it was
[25:48] Speaker 2: a day of awesome and it didn't matter whether you're
[25:51] Speaker 2: in the deep blue bit or the deep red bit.
[25:53] Speaker 2: In New York City to Tennessee, from Los Angeles to Florida,
[25:58] Speaker 2: it was red, white and blue everywhere, and they were
[26:01] Speaker 2: fired up. But there's two things I want to show
[26:03] Speaker 2: you that you didn't see anywhere else. That were two
[26:06] Speaker 2: rather unique ways of celebrating the United States turning two
[26:10] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Now in Alaska in the middle of summer,
[26:14] Speaker 2: not a lot of nighttime, so they don't do fireworks.
[26:17] Speaker 2: They literally drive cars off a cliff and ten thousand
[26:22] Speaker 2: people cheer it on.
[26:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, a baby.
[26:37] Speaker 2: Been a motorhead as well. While since we've heard that,
[26:39] Speaker 2: henyone's ky news. Seriously, go and find the youtubes of
[26:42] Speaker 2: all of that. There's no people in the camera, lax.
[26:45] Speaker 2: What a crazy thing to do, awesome thing to do.
[26:47] Speaker 2: And yes, my algorithm, for obvious reasons, is full of
[26:50] Speaker 2: yeha America. But there's one little thing I wanted to
[26:54] Speaker 2: show you on It was from the Black Rifle Coffee
[26:56] Speaker 2: Company and they decided to celebrate two hundred fifty years
[26:59] Speaker 2: in the United States by shoving all of America into
[27:01] Speaker 2: one video. And it's awesome. I love it, and I'm
[27:19] Speaker 2: fully jealous. I'm so jealous that it doesn't matter what
[27:22] Speaker 2: your politics was, where you sit on the political spectrum. Again,
[27:26] Speaker 2: I watched concerts in Los Angeles. I saw stuff happening
[27:29] Speaker 2: in rural counties. They just loved their country, and it
[27:33] Speaker 2: was a day for them to celebrate their country.
[27:34] Speaker 1: If only, if only we had.
[27:36] Speaker 2: Such an attitude and such pride and everything from the
[27:39] Speaker 2: flag of the soldiers to the awesomeness, the inherent awesomeness
[27:41] Speaker 2: that is our own country. May we eventually get there
[27:45] Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Thank you so much to the
[27:47] Speaker 2: huge reaction that we've had to the documentary of two
[27:50] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years of Trump's America. Nashville, Tennessee that too.
[27:55] Speaker 2: It's the weekend they had fantastic. If you haven't seen
[27:58] Speaker 2: it already, it is up on YouTube. Please share it
[28:00] Speaker 2: with your friends. It's up on our socials. Is Paul
[28:02] Speaker 2: Murray Live on Facebook? But you can see it again
[28:05] Speaker 2: ten o'clock tonight if you'd like to tape it and
[28:07] Speaker 2: show it to your mates. Trump's America two hundred fift
[28:11] Speaker 2: years in the making is on tonight straight after that
[28:13] Speaker 2: Visittle program here on Sky News. Let's take a quick break.
[28:17] Speaker 2: There's pretty more to discuss before we are done. No silks,
[28:19] Speaker 2: no lefties, We'll go to the United Kingdom as well.
[28:22] Speaker 1: Sit back. You're here on a Sunday night where the
[28:24] Speaker 1: flag is always flying. Here on Paul Murray Live, tonight,
[28:31] Speaker 1: first night of the school holidays.
[28:33] Speaker 2: In our house, my beautiful girl Asher and Zadi are
[28:36] Speaker 2: currently watching. But it is time to go to bed, ladies.
[28:38] Speaker 2: So yes, I promised I would say good night to
[28:41] Speaker 2: Chase our dog and Fluffy, our near.
[28:43] Speaker 1: The Boo boo. All right, you've heard it.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Now go to bed and make sure you certainly asleep
[28:48] Speaker 2: by the time I get home, because dad's watching the
[28:50] Speaker 2: Formula one.
[28:50] Speaker 1: All right.
[28:50] Speaker 2: Kristin Abram is running for the Victorian Parliament at the
[28:54] Speaker 2: next day election. As she's running as an independent in
[28:56] Speaker 2: the seat of Franklin. She's also a dear friend of
[28:58] Speaker 2: our show, which is why we love back Lee Hanson,
[29:01] Speaker 2: Hope of the cyber and it comes to one nation
[29:02] Speaker 2: in TASMANI issue joins us as well.
[29:04] Speaker 1: Noooks, no lefties, hand goods this.
[29:06] Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister continues the gas lighting attacks that
[29:11] Speaker 2: have led to such political success here. But now the
[29:13] Speaker 2: latest is that anyone who's ever had a problem with
[29:16] Speaker 2: the budget, well it's incoherent.
[29:18] Speaker 1: Frankly, you're weird if you have a problem with the
[29:21] Speaker 1: lies that have now become law. Lee. It's the same
[29:24] Speaker 1: tactic over and over again, and essentially it's well, look,
[29:27] Speaker 1: you may not like what we do, but you're definitely
[29:29] Speaker 1: not going to vote for the weird people like Lee?
[29:31] Speaker 1: Are you?
[29:36] Speaker 9: The same old tactics, isn't it, Paul? You know, first
[29:38] Speaker 9: it was the lies over fifty I forget what the
[29:41] Speaker 9: county is now then we'll just pretend it's all roses
[29:45] Speaker 9: and it'll go away and keep our head buried in
[29:47] Speaker 9: the sand. And now anybody who's opposed to the ridiculous
[29:52] Speaker 9: taxation or housing changes that went through, we must be stupid.
[29:57] Speaker 9: So h phenomenal that the Prime Minister, the apparent leader
[30:03] Speaker 9: of our country, has the audacity to call the vast
[30:08] Speaker 9: many Australians who is meant to be leading and serving stupid.
[30:14] Speaker 9: It just absolutely amazes me. Where's the respect for the
[30:18] Speaker 9: Australian people. You know, just because people don't agree with you,
[30:22] Speaker 9: get out there and work harder and understand what these
[30:25] Speaker 9: shoes are and represent the people. Don't call them stupid
[30:28] Speaker 9: or idiots. So I think he's going to lose a
[30:31] Speaker 9: fair amount of support for this one.
[30:33] Speaker 2: Paul, Well, again, remember where we were skotting his pulse
[30:36] Speaker 2: just last week, right, which is more than sixty percent
[30:39] Speaker 2: of working class voters dissatisfied with the Prime minister's performance.
[30:42] Speaker 2: Right now, you've heard the news Port numbers that came
[30:44] Speaker 2: out this weekend. Again, it's a snapshot in time. It's
[30:46] Speaker 2: a couple of years away for when they change the
[30:47] Speaker 2: subject and we're all voting. But again, Kristen, it's a
[30:51] Speaker 2: hyperparts an event that he's trying to rep up, the
[30:53] Speaker 2: troops all the rest of it here. But this guy
[30:55] Speaker 2: just thinks because he says that, it becomes true. I
[30:58] Speaker 2: returned to the metaphor before that when he sees the
[31:01] Speaker 2: reflection in the mirror and he starts getting angry. He
[31:04] Speaker 2: thinks it's somebody else who's done this to him.
[31:09] Speaker 7: The Labor Party only has one card to play. It's deception,
[31:13] Speaker 7: it's deflection, and it is blame. And the more that
[31:16] Speaker 7: they refer to, you know, the rise in One Nation
[31:19] Speaker 7: as a populist party, the more they're ostracizing the voting
[31:22] Speaker 7: base because clearly they are not listening to anyone. And
[31:26] Speaker 7: Dave Hughes said it best. He said, if Anthony Albanizi
[31:29] Speaker 7: took this to an election and people voted for it,
[31:32] Speaker 7: then they would have reaped what they you know, we
[31:34] Speaker 7: all reaped what we saw. But instead it's Anthony Albanesi
[31:39] Speaker 7: and the ministers that have sold their investment properties prior
[31:42] Speaker 7: to this legislation coming in, and young people didn't get
[31:45] Speaker 7: a chance to sell their properties if they had overborrowed
[31:48] Speaker 7: because they didn't know that this was coming. So it's
[31:51] Speaker 7: the deception of the Australian people that it's just not
[31:53] Speaker 7: good enough.
[31:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you completely now. Chris Bowen represents a
[31:57] Speaker 2: electorate in Western Sydney, one that obviously is deeply multicultural,
[32:01] Speaker 2: and he's going back to the world that look, despite
[32:04] Speaker 2: the fact that I've made everyone's power bills more expensive
[32:06] Speaker 2: in the suburbs in which he represents, it doesn't matter
[32:09] Speaker 2: it's all about, you know again, fighting the evil people
[32:12] Speaker 2: who want to talk about monoculture versus multiculture. And he,
[32:16] Speaker 2: of course is quadrupling down on multiculture because diversity is
[32:19] Speaker 2: our streak.
[32:21] Speaker 10: People from all around the world, whether it be Lebanon
[32:23] Speaker 10: or Vietnam come here and work their guts out of
[32:26] Speaker 10: small businesses every day, and then they go to temples,
[32:28] Speaker 10: they go to churches, they get a lost and we
[32:30] Speaker 10: respect that. That is multiculturalism. And we say in return,
[32:34] Speaker 10: we respect your culture and your heritage, our values of tolerance,
[32:37] Speaker 10: of respect of freedom of democracy what we have in return,
[32:42] Speaker 10: and they love that, they embrace that. I love multiculturalism.
[32:45] Speaker 10: I will defend it loudly and proudly. And if others
[32:48] Speaker 10: want to argue for something else, they don't know how
[32:50] Speaker 10: multiculturalism works. Australia is the best multiculturable country in the
[32:54] Speaker 10: world bar none and Western Sydney. We live that and
[32:57] Speaker 10: breathe that every day.
[32:59] Speaker 2: And I believe that so much so that I, as
[33:02] Speaker 2: the white guy from the Labor Party, will continue to
[33:04] Speaker 2: represent these people. And none of those people in the
[33:06] Speaker 2: malticultural communities are allowed to become independence like Direy and
[33:09] Speaker 2: to get rid of the bloke from head office, Christen. Again,
[33:14] Speaker 2: this is what I love about all this stuff, right
[33:16] Speaker 2: when I laugh about all of this always and everything
[33:18] Speaker 2: amazing when everything's different, but we remain the same as
[33:21] Speaker 2: the supposed voice here and thereof.
[33:26] Speaker 7: I'm a first generation Australian, Paul, and I think you know,
[33:29] Speaker 7: one nation gets bad rapily. Your mum's not a racist.
[33:32] Speaker 7: She was just ahead of her time. And Chris Bowen
[33:35] Speaker 7: just said people used to come here and they used
[33:37] Speaker 7: to work hard, and you know that's what multiculturalism is.
[33:41] Speaker 7: It's not multiculturalism anymore. If these people that are coming
[33:44] Speaker 7: here aren't working hard, they aren't contributing to society. They're
[33:48] Speaker 7: bringing crime here. That is not multiculturalism. That is an
[33:51] Speaker 7: invasion and no one is happy with that anymore. So
[33:55] Speaker 7: don't turn around and blame the Australian people because they're
[33:57] Speaker 7: sick of the immigration issues that we're having. It's then
[34:01] Speaker 7: that are bringing people in here on that are not
[34:03] Speaker 7: compatible with the Australian culture anymore.
[34:05] Speaker 2: Well, and on top of it, as we always talk
[34:08] Speaker 2: about Lee right, which is the sheer number of people, right,
[34:12] Speaker 2: the sheer number of people and they end up in
[34:14] Speaker 2: the outer suburbs of Melbourne like a Frankston. They end
[34:18] Speaker 2: up in the outer suburbs of Sydney, like where Chris
[34:21] Speaker 2: Bowen is representing. Right, But I just love this idea.
[34:25] Speaker 2: I just love this idea that again he's the champion
[34:28] Speaker 2: of difference, but he wouldn't dare get out of the
[34:30] Speaker 2: way and give up his spot to any one of
[34:32] Speaker 2: those local community groups that may be a little more
[34:36] Speaker 2: like the community rather than the one that he professes
[34:39] Speaker 2: to be.
[34:41] Speaker 9: No, And look, diversity is great and we should absolutely
[34:45] Speaker 9: harness diversity, but it's how we unite. You know your
[34:49] Speaker 9: comments earlier about the two hundred and fifty years in
[34:51] Speaker 9: America and seeing the patriotism and the love for their country.
[34:54] Speaker 9: Isn't that what we want for Australia.
[34:56] Speaker 4: I know, I do.
[34:58] Speaker 9: It's got nothing to do with race, We've got nothing
[35:00] Speaker 9: to do with religion. It's about respecting and being patriotic
[35:04] Speaker 9: of our country and putting Australia first and foremost. It's
[35:08] Speaker 9: about uniting under one flag, not forgetting where you came from,
[35:12] Speaker 9: not forgetting who you are, but being proud and privileged
[35:15] Speaker 9: and aware of that. To be in Australia and love
[35:17] Speaker 9: this country and put it first and having the same
[35:21] Speaker 9: rules and same laws for everybody. Why are they so
[35:24] Speaker 9: afraid of unity? Absolutely respect and harness, diversity, but be united.
[35:30] Speaker 9: Why is the Labor Party so against unity and patriotism
[35:35] Speaker 9: here in Australia. That's what I can't understand.
[35:37] Speaker 2: But also, and you know, I'll get in trouble for
[35:40] Speaker 2: this word, but sort of the insidious part of the
[35:42] Speaker 2: way they have spun this conversation is that they are
[35:46] Speaker 2: deliberately not engaging with what both of you are talking about, right,
[35:51] Speaker 2: They are deliberately not engaging with what has worked for
[35:56] Speaker 2: a long time in the United States, right, which is
[35:58] Speaker 2: this idea you can come from any in the world
[36:01] Speaker 2: and you can become an American. Right, you can come
[36:03] Speaker 2: from anywhere in the world and become an Australian.
[36:05] Speaker 8: Right.
[36:05] Speaker 2: What does it mean to be an Australian. Well, it
[36:07] Speaker 2: means there is a unifying language that we speak in public.
[36:10] Speaker 2: There is a unifying value of the equality of the sexes,
[36:15] Speaker 2: the race's gender.
[36:17] Speaker 1: All of this stuff. Right.
[36:18] Speaker 2: Let alone the rule of law that the law of
[36:20] Speaker 2: the land is and supersedes whatever the law of faith
[36:24] Speaker 2: is that you adhere to, and so on and so on,
[36:28] Speaker 2: but they don't want to engage. They're pretending that that's
[36:30] Speaker 2: not it. Instead they go out there and again I
[36:32] Speaker 2: think ann La I always go back to it about
[36:34] Speaker 2: how nasty, how misleading, how big a lie it was.
[36:38] Speaker 2: Ollen Hanson went to the National Press Club and said,
[36:41] Speaker 2: none as aren't. I mean, honestly, again, the divide in
[36:44] Speaker 2: Australia ain't left and right anymore. It's about do you
[36:46] Speaker 2: pay attention or not? First test to that we're going
[36:49] Speaker 2: to see. We'll be coming up in Victoria. If you
[36:51] Speaker 2: are paying attention. You cannot keep this mob. You cannot
[36:54] Speaker 2: keep this mob. But we'll all work it out together
[36:57] Speaker 2: now inside. Some of the conversation about the next stage
[37:02] Speaker 2: of social media rules in Australia is that everyone needs
[37:06] Speaker 2: to be known who is on social media. Put simply,
[37:09] Speaker 2: no more anonymity, no more sort of you know, crazy
[37:12] Speaker 2: duck forty four being the person who is slagging you
[37:15] Speaker 2: off online. We're gonna have to know who those people
[37:17] Speaker 2: are now, Kristen, we may disagree on this, but I'd
[37:21] Speaker 2: like to hear your view first.
[37:24] Speaker 7: Doesn't this stinct to high heavens of a digital idea?
[37:28] Speaker 7: Their Misinformation Bill did not get up and what they're
[37:32] Speaker 7: trying to do is use the under sixteen social media
[37:34] Speaker 7: ban as a trojan horse, Paul, for them to bring
[37:38] Speaker 7: in the full digital idea. It's they're trying to destroy
[37:42] Speaker 7: free speech. And they are saying that this is all
[37:46] Speaker 7: in the name of children and keeping kids safe online.
[37:48] Speaker 7: And I definitely agree that we should be keeping children
[37:51] Speaker 7: safe online, but that comes from education. Educate the parents,
[37:55] Speaker 7: educate their children, because abstinence is not a way to teach.
[38:01] Speaker 7: Abstinence is not going to protect them when they turn eighteen.
[38:04] Speaker 7: So I think it's I think digital idea is appalling,
[38:08] Speaker 7: and I think it's coincidental that they'll do this before,
[38:11] Speaker 7: you know, the next election, and you know they're trying
[38:13] Speaker 7: to bring it in before the November state election. It's
[38:16] Speaker 7: a way for them to control the masses and to
[38:19] Speaker 7: stop people criticizing the government as well.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Now I agree with you on all of that.
[38:23] Speaker 7: Why did you think we were going to disagree.
[38:25] Speaker 2: Paul, Well, because I can be open to a conversation
[38:29] Speaker 2: about whether you need to own whether you need to
[38:34] Speaker 2: be more honest about what your online presence is. Right now,
[38:37] Speaker 2: if you want to run an organization, it doesn't say
[38:39] Speaker 2: who the CEO of is all the rest of it right,
[38:41] Speaker 2: But again, you know crazy duck forty four, who's going
[38:44] Speaker 2: to slag you off to your face. You'll be able
[38:47] Speaker 2: to wait en offy who they are. But when they're
[38:49] Speaker 2: able to hide behind remember the old days of Twitter,
[38:51] Speaker 2: their eggs that we're able to get away with saying
[38:54] Speaker 2: whatever and however, and it made things falsely look like
[38:57] Speaker 2: perhaps at times there was a great population that believes
[39:01] Speaker 2: something rather than say no, my name is you know,
[39:03] Speaker 2: John Smith, et cetera, et cetera. But Lee your thoughts
[39:06] Speaker 2: on all of this, But I think Kristin May will
[39:08] Speaker 2: have build the cat here about how they're going to
[39:10] Speaker 2: do it, which is you keep putting this stuff into
[39:11] Speaker 2: the social media man and then you say you're voting
[39:14] Speaker 2: against protecting kids.
[39:17] Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just a guys, it's a ruse right to
[39:20] Speaker 9: get digital ID in. I have no doubts about that whatsoever.
[39:24] Speaker 9: And from what I understand, they're saying, well, it's not
[39:26] Speaker 9: digital ID, you won't have to submit government documentation to
[39:29] Speaker 9: prove your ID. What a load of hogwash, you know.
[39:32] Speaker 9: Let's look at the social media band for underage kids
[39:36] Speaker 9: where it's facial recognition. My kids certainly beat that. I
[39:39] Speaker 9: don't know how, but they did. So you know, people
[39:43] Speaker 9: are using pets as facial ID from also what I've
[39:45] Speaker 9: been told, So the reality is that it will be
[39:48] Speaker 9: a rouge a way to get digital ID in. The terminology,
[39:54] Speaker 9: as I understand, is also very broad and rightly so,
[39:57] Speaker 9: people should be concerned as to what private and sensitive
[40:01] Speaker 9: and confident confidential information is being uploaded online and in
[40:05] Speaker 9: most cases foreign bodies, foreign companies. So yes, deeply concerned.
[40:10] Speaker 9: Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of trojan
[40:13] Speaker 9: horses or what we call keyboard warriors, trolls them all
[40:18] Speaker 9: the time, absolutely, and they're out there and they're out
[40:22] Speaker 9: thick and fast. But there's a way that we need
[40:24] Speaker 9: to not feed that fuel and not enable that and
[40:28] Speaker 9: don't use this as an excuse to stop free speech. Basically,
[40:32] Speaker 9: it's going too far. We need to be a little
[40:34] Speaker 9: bit smarter and have a bit of common sense about this.
[40:37] Speaker 2: And with you guys, great chat, No sooks now left?
[40:39] Speaker 2: Is it lived up to its promise? Thank you very much, guys.
[40:41] Speaker 2: I do appreciate it. We'll talk again in a few
[40:44] Speaker 2: days time or right. Let's get to Mark Dolan. He's
[40:46] Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom. There is a little bit of
[40:48] Speaker 2: a swirl of controversy as always around Nigel Farage, but
[40:53] Speaker 2: they think this might be the one to bring him down.
[40:55] Speaker 2: We'll talk about it next. Mark Dolan is made in
[41:00] Speaker 2: the UK. He's a host we Talk TV. He's also
[41:02] Speaker 2: got his own YouTube channel and he's a thoroughly decent fella.
[41:04] Speaker 2: Hello sir, how's your weekend been?
[41:07] Speaker 1: Thank you? Paul.
[41:08] Speaker 4: The checks in the post very well and the news
[41:10] Speaker 4: cycle doesn't.
[41:11] Speaker 1: Stop, does it?
[41:13] Speaker 2: No, never does So Nigel Ferrag should we have on
[41:16] Speaker 2: the program each and every week. I'll bring this up
[41:18] Speaker 2: with him directly. But there's been for some time a
[41:20] Speaker 2: building controversy in and around donations. He says that it's
[41:25] Speaker 2: all about pre politics, but of course being the giant
[41:29] Speaker 2: threat to the system, the people's favorite to become the
[41:32] Speaker 2: next prime minister after the almost next prime minister in
[41:35] Speaker 2: Andy Burnham, means that this is all target number one,
[41:38] Speaker 2: and they're saying either this controversy, he may be booted
[41:41] Speaker 2: out of the Parliament or he may quit.
[41:43] Speaker 1: Is there a there there is it? Smoke? Is there fire?
[41:46] Speaker 1: What's your thoughts? Well?
[41:47] Speaker 4: I think that Nigel Ferrage could be very flattered because
[41:50] Speaker 4: what it tells us Paul is that he's got the
[41:53] Speaker 4: establishment rattled. And he saw the same thing in the
[41:56] Speaker 4: United States in the run up to the presidential election
[41:59] Speaker 4: in No. Twenty twenty four, and we know how that
[42:02] Speaker 4: panned out. Now, clearly all public figures deserve scrutiny. It's
[42:06] Speaker 4: what your channel does, it's what I do at Talk TV.
[42:09] Speaker 4: And it certainly raised an eyebrow that Nigel Farrage received
[42:13] Speaker 4: five million pounds from a crypto billionaire before re entering politics.
[42:19] Speaker 4: It's a lot of money. You know rich people as
[42:21] Speaker 4: well as I do, Paul. They always want something for
[42:24] Speaker 4: their cash. Everything's transactional. Meanwhile, you've got his chief aid,
[42:28] Speaker 4: a guy that's been pivotal to his return to frontline politics,
[42:32] Speaker 4: George Cottrell, a convicted fraudster, crypto gambling entrepreneur that's been
[42:38] Speaker 4: bankrolling Nigel's office and political activities. Now, the bottom line
[42:43] Speaker 4: is that as long as no law has been broken,
[42:46] Speaker 4: it's not an issue. And Reform are very clear that
[42:48] Speaker 4: they told the parliamentary authorities about this funding in exactly
[42:53] Speaker 4: the proper fashion. So I suspect that Teflon Farrage will
[42:58] Speaker 4: absolutely survive this one, and he will in many ways
[43:02] Speaker 4: benefit from it. I think it's going to enliven the base,
[43:05] Speaker 4: who will just see this as an effort to take
[43:08] Speaker 4: the guy down.
[43:09] Speaker 2: But also when will they learn that they tried to
[43:12] Speaker 2: dbank him literally debank him. Right they've done medium versions
[43:16] Speaker 2: of cancel again. If they want to remove him, they
[43:21] Speaker 2: have to defeat him, and to defeat him, they need
[43:23] Speaker 2: to defeat him at a ballot box.
[43:25] Speaker 1: Right now.
[43:27] Speaker 2: I know that obviously they did incredibly well those local elections,
[43:30] Speaker 2: not at that to buy election, but I think the
[43:32] Speaker 2: trajectory is still pretty damn good for where they sit
[43:35] Speaker 2: right now heading towards a general election, which brings me
[43:37] Speaker 2: neatly to the opinion poll saying the majority of Britain's
[43:42] Speaker 2: wanted to happen.
[43:44] Speaker 4: Well, most definitely because the outgame Prime Minister is Sir
[43:47] Speaker 4: Kiir Starmer, an awful prime minister. It's been a disaster
[43:52] Speaker 4: the economy, open borders, all the rest of it. But
[43:54] Speaker 4: he did have a mandate for five years, so it's
[43:56] Speaker 4: very odd for the British public to have a new
[43:59] Speaker 4: guy parachuted in. Wasn't even in the House of Commons.
[44:02] Speaker 4: No one's voted for him. He's offering a far more
[44:05] Speaker 4: left wing agenda, which given the financial circumstances, is deeply worrying.
[44:10] Speaker 4: And therefore the only answer is a general election, and
[44:14] Speaker 4: we're not going to get it because Andy Burnham knows
[44:17] Speaker 4: that if he were to go to the country now
[44:18] Speaker 4: he would lose.
[44:20] Speaker 2: Interesting though, that when you have a look at the
[44:22] Speaker 2: preferred prime minister, Burnham is leading FORAJ actually thirty three
[44:26] Speaker 2: to twenty. Bad Knock is back at six. I think,
[44:29] Speaker 2: look again, I understand all the structural reasons why the
[44:31] Speaker 2: Conservatives are in the hole that they are, but principally
[44:34] Speaker 2: one of the reasons why Starmer has gone has been
[44:37] Speaker 2: in part the performance of could be made in the
[44:40] Speaker 2: Parliament at PMQ.
[44:41] Speaker 1: So she tests shreds off him. She's incredibly impressive.
[44:46] Speaker 2: But again there would be figures in labor who say,
[44:50] Speaker 2: you know something in that pole, which is an election
[44:53] Speaker 2: with the level of reset within a leader, maybe they
[44:56] Speaker 2: could win it, but we've got to see a whole
[44:58] Speaker 2: bunch of.
[44:59] Speaker 1: Poles before or they're going to build in that confidence.
[45:02] Speaker 4: Well, you're absolutely right, and of course the distinction is
[45:05] Speaker 4: that by way of popular leaders that Andy Burnham is
[45:09] Speaker 4: doing quite well at the moment, but of course there's
[45:10] Speaker 4: such a difference between personal ratings of the party leaders
[45:14] Speaker 4: and where the actual parties are at. And when it
[45:16] Speaker 4: comes to the poll of polls, Reform are still the
[45:20] Speaker 4: biggest party in either a hung parliament or with an
[45:23] Speaker 4: overall majority. And I think what you're going to see
[45:25] Speaker 4: is the popularity of Burnham is going to shrink very quickly.
[45:28] Speaker 4: It's going to be the shortest honeymoon in history, and
[45:31] Speaker 4: you'll see his personal ratings fall as well, particularly because
[45:34] Speaker 4: Paul there are concerns this guy is going to be
[45:36] Speaker 4: out of his depth, that he's not ready to be
[45:38] Speaker 4: Prime minister, because he asked kir Starmer for a few
[45:42] Speaker 4: months to get ready and Starmer said, no, if you're
[45:44] Speaker 4: getting rid of me, then you can do the job.
[45:45] Speaker 4: Right now.
[45:46] Speaker 1: Harry's coming home.
[45:48] Speaker 2: Harry's coming home, but he ain't bringing her with him.
[45:52] Speaker 4: No, So the royal circus continues to pace Paul. And
[45:56] Speaker 4: it's a tragedy really for Harry because he had an
[45:59] Speaker 4: opportunity to rehabilitate himself with the British public and to
[46:04] Speaker 4: get back in with the royal family. But as usual
[46:07] Speaker 4: with the Sussexes, it's led to negative headlines, drama. The
[46:11] Speaker 4: latest thing. It's the row over his royal armed security,
[46:14] Speaker 4: to which he's got no right because he left the
[46:16] Speaker 4: royal family. But he's thrown his toys out of the pram.
[46:20] Speaker 4: And the first threat was, oh, I'll only come for
[46:22] Speaker 4: a few days. Then I'll bring Meghan and the kids
[46:25] Speaker 4: for a day. Now it's they're not coming to London
[46:27] Speaker 4: at all, and it's therefore possible that King Charles will
[46:31] Speaker 4: have to wait even longer before seeing his grandkids.
[46:35] Speaker 2: You're a good man, Thank you very much. Make we
[46:37] Speaker 2: look forward to seeing how are you dealing with the heat?
[46:39] Speaker 2: By the way, I noticed that it's in mid twenties today,
[46:41] Speaker 2: but it's on its way back up to the thirties.
[46:42] Speaker 1: What you're holding up, mate?
[46:44] Speaker 4: Well, I'm a British Man with Irish ancestry, so I'm
[46:47] Speaker 4: literally melting.
[46:48] Speaker 1: I'm a human puddle.
[46:49] Speaker 2: Pol send ice, all right, we'll keep the ac on
[46:52] Speaker 2: and carry on, all right, good on?
[46:54] Speaker 1: Thank you mac donald.
[46:55] Speaker 2: Of course, say you want to talk to TVA, so
[46:57] Speaker 2: H'm on YouTube and see him here at eah N
[46:59] Speaker 2: every week. Quickly back with more now. I love the
[47:01] Speaker 2: Northern Territory news. I love when they go for a
[47:04] Speaker 2: wild front page. Remember that it was it a cracker
[47:06] Speaker 2: up the Clacker. They've improved on that. If you're easily offended,
[47:11] Speaker 2: then take a long walk before you come back.
[47:13] Speaker 1: But if you've got a slightly adult sense of humor,
[47:16] Speaker 1: you'll like what I'm about to show you.
[47:21] Speaker 2: A little bit adult, a little bit adult, a little
[47:23] Speaker 2: bit juvenile at the same time. But everyone is duly warned. Okay,
[47:26] Speaker 2: and I've said for as late as possible in the program,
[47:29] Speaker 2: Cracker Knight is amazing each and every year. The social
[47:32] Speaker 2: media videos that have come out of this year's Cracker
[47:34] Speaker 2: Night wild of course, to celebrate Territory Day, the forty
[47:38] Speaker 2: eighth year in a row of celebrating its independence as
[47:42] Speaker 2: a standalone part of the country, and the nten Us,
[47:45] Speaker 2: the legendary newspaper there the front page one year was
[47:48] Speaker 2: I had a crack up my clackup that became world famous.
[47:53] Speaker 2: Where they've decided to up the game based off a
[47:55] Speaker 2: similar story. Okay, Fudoh and all tells the story here.
[48:02] Speaker 2: This is not one that's going to take a long
[48:04] Speaker 2: time to explain to you, Okay. A Darwin Man, Michael Anderson,
[48:08] Speaker 2: aged thirty six, has gone viral after launching a firework
[48:13] Speaker 2: well obvious, escaping with only singed hairs, saying he'll do
[48:17] Speaker 2: it again next year. He says it was spur of
[48:20] Speaker 2: the moment stunt after a few beers. An anonymous person
[48:23] Speaker 2: from the Royal Darwin Hospital, however, joked that they wouldn't
[48:26] Speaker 2: recommend it, but we're impressed by his flexibility. I'll show
[48:31] Speaker 2: you a little bit of the video. Okay, you get
[48:34] Speaker 2: the idea right, Okay, yep, that's what's going on. That's
[48:37] Speaker 2: how you end up Territory famous. Okay, that's enough. That's enough.
[48:40] Speaker 2: That's enough, that's enough. Despite the viral antics anti emergency
[48:45] Speaker 2: service to say, Territory Day injuries were actually down this year.
[48:48] Speaker 1: See so you can be trusted to have fun.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Don't do that. Don't do that. I deeply disapprove of it.
[48:54] Speaker 2: Terrible thing to do. Thank you again to everyone's been
[48:58] Speaker 2: very kind about our dot our celebration of the United States.
[49:02] Speaker 2: You always send me an email Paul at sky News
[49:03] Speaker 2: dot com dot AU if you would like to send
[49:06] Speaker 2: what we're about to show you again around. It is
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[49:11] Speaker 2: News website and via the sky News YouTube page where
[49:14] Speaker 2: you can also find all of the highlights of all
[49:16] Speaker 2: of what we do here all day, all night. Simply
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