# Paul Murray Live | 8 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 8 Jun 2026, 49 min.

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The prime minister is clearly rattled by Pauline Hanson after Newspoll shows One Nation as the most popular party in the country, Chris Bowen is overseas again for this COP business. Plus, Pauline Hanson joins the show as the polls just go up. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Thank you Cherry, Good evening, Australia. Welcome into the man.
[0:09] Speaker 2: I'm Caleb Bond filling in for Paul Murray this week
[0:12] Speaker 2: and I hope you have had a pleasant King's Birthday.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Collingwood lost, so it has to be a good day,
[0:17] Speaker 2: doesn't it. The Prime Minister is clearly rattled by One Nation.
[0:20] Speaker 2: He spoke today after the News poll became the third
[0:23] Speaker 2: major poll to show One Nation as the most popular
[0:26] Speaker 2: party in the country. Now he's trying to sprook his
[0:29] Speaker 2: work to cut migration. Good try it, but I'll show
[0:32] Speaker 2: you the actual numbers soon. Matt Canavan and Nick Reese
[0:35] Speaker 2: will join me for the panel. Chris Bowen is overseas
[0:37] Speaker 2: again for this cop business. He's in Europe this week.
[0:41] Speaker 2: The Lucky Bugger summer over there. And I'll ask Nick
[0:44] Speaker 2: why his council has spent three hundred grand on travel
[0:48] Speaker 2: in the past eighteen months. And I mentioned One Nation before.
[0:51] Speaker 2: Paul and Hansen will join me a little later. You
[0:54] Speaker 2: can imagine how she must be feeling as the polls
[0:56] Speaker 2: just go up and up and up. But first, in
[1:00] Speaker 2: the last couple of hours, a new poll has dropped
[1:02] Speaker 2: in Victoria from fresh Water. It has been published by
[1:06] Speaker 2: the Herald Sun and it shows if this is correct,
[1:10] Speaker 2: that the Coalition would be on track to form a
[1:13] Speaker 2: government there in Victoria. You can see that primary vote
[1:16] Speaker 2: on the screen. Labour's down to twenty three, the Coalition
[1:19] Speaker 2: is at twenty seven. One Nation is at twenty five,
[1:24] Speaker 2: so there's been an increase as you can see. They're
[1:26] Speaker 2: five points for one Nation, a small decrease for the coalition.
[1:30] Speaker 2: But obviously as the preferences are flowing, Freshwater believes this
[1:34] Speaker 2: would lead to a coalition government because on a two
[1:37] Speaker 2: party preferred basis they're saying that the Coalition is leading
[1:41] Speaker 2: fifty three to forty seven. And my god, do they
[1:45] Speaker 2: have some problems with the premiere down there. Just Center
[1:48] Speaker 2: Allen the favorability rating for Center. She was already the
[1:52] Speaker 2: most unpopular premiere in the country, by the way, but
[1:56] Speaker 2: she's down five points to minus thirty seven, so far
[2:00] Speaker 2: and away the most unpopular premiere in the country. And
[2:03] Speaker 2: Jess Wilson is down slightly but she's still well up
[2:07] Speaker 2: plus fifteen points on her favorability and when asked who
[2:10] Speaker 2: would make a better premier, just Center Allen gets twenty
[2:13] Speaker 2: five percent of the choice, that's down six points, and
[2:17] Speaker 2: Jess Wilson is up two points to forty nine percent,
[2:22] Speaker 2: And this will of course raise questions about whether or
[2:25] Speaker 2: not Just Center Allen can possibly remain as premier up
[2:29] Speaker 2: to the election. Haroldson reporting that the polling also showed
[2:32] Speaker 2: that sixty two percent of voters believe miss Allen should
[2:36] Speaker 2: be replaced head of the election, which is a four
[2:39] Speaker 2: point increase since March. And this will no doubt be
[2:43] Speaker 2: the discussion that they are starting to have inside the
[2:46] Speaker 2: party if they weren't doing it already. Do we wait
[2:49] Speaker 2: until November and have an election with this woman as
[2:52] Speaker 2: premier or do we depose her in the meantime, If
[2:55] Speaker 2: they've got any brains, I suspect they will depose her,
[2:58] Speaker 2: because it's probably one of the serious things that's holding
[3:01] Speaker 2: them back from getting another term. But let's be real,
[3:05] Speaker 2: they don't deserve another term anyway, just Ciner Allen or not.
[3:08] Speaker 2: If the people of Victoria are silly enough to tip
[3:11] Speaker 2: into it and say, oh, well, you know, because it's
[3:13] Speaker 2: Ben Carroll or some other person, that it will be
[3:16] Speaker 2: completely different, well no it won't. It's still the same
[3:19] Speaker 2: Daniel Andrew's government with a different front to it, whether
[3:23] Speaker 2: it's just Ciner Allen or someone else. And while we're
[3:26] Speaker 2: talking about de Cinta Allen, let's get get it out
[3:28] Speaker 2: of the way, shall we the elephant in the room?
[3:30] Speaker 2: Or is elephant offensive because it could be used as
[3:33] Speaker 2: an insult for a fat person. Anyway, we're in an
[3:37] Speaker 2: argument about sexism again, because you've probably seen it today
[3:41] Speaker 2: because of these billboards of Victorian premier to Ciner Allen
[3:45] Speaker 2: saying ditch the witch. Now, if this seems familiar, yes,
[3:48] Speaker 2: it is because Tony Abbott was in trouble fifteen years
[3:51] Speaker 2: ago for standing in front of a sign at a
[3:53] Speaker 2: rally that reader ditch the Witch about Julia Gillard, not
[3:56] Speaker 2: that he knew that sign was being held up behind
[3:58] Speaker 2: him and flew up at the time, and it was
[4:01] Speaker 2: apparently sexist and misogynistic, and on and on it went,
[4:05] Speaker 2: and that of course the informed part of miss Gillard's
[4:07] Speaker 2: famous misogyny speech, which by the way, has been put
[4:09] Speaker 2: to music. And I know I'm going off on a
[4:11] Speaker 2: little bit of a tangent here, but I think you
[4:14] Speaker 2: might find this funny. I turn on Classic f M
[4:17] Speaker 2: one night as I often do, and I'm listening for
[4:20] Speaker 2: a bit and I go, hang on, why is Julia
[4:23] Speaker 2: Gillard on here? It turns out it was this I.
[4:26] Speaker 3: Will not be elected about sexism misogyny.
[4:39] Speaker 2: And the ABC thought that was something it needed to broadcast,
[4:43] Speaker 2: and maybe they'll do one for Deciner Allen soon too.
[4:45] Speaker 2: But I guess this is why people reach for the
[4:47] Speaker 2: sexism and misogyny lever, because it's meant to be some
[4:51] Speaker 2: kind of cural word to shut people up. It's like
[4:56] Speaker 2: saying racist. You just keep hammering the lay until it
[5:00] Speaker 2: sticks and then you create your own version of truth.
[5:04] Speaker 2: But here we are again with the accusations of sexism.
[5:08] Speaker 2: The premier link right into it. She wrote on Instagram.
[5:12] Speaker 2: Sexism just has no place in our political debate, full stop.
[5:16] Speaker 2: A truck using sexist language has been driving around Melbourne
[5:20] Speaker 2: as part of a secret and well funded political campaign.
[5:23] Speaker 2: People are entitled to disagree with me, that's democracy. But
[5:27] Speaker 2: I care that this attacks women, and I care about
[5:29] Speaker 2: who's next. The political debate in this country has become
[5:33] Speaker 2: corrosive over the last few years, so much so that
[5:36] Speaker 2: behavior which would once have been condemned is now just
[5:39] Speaker 2: another part of life. Media don't call it out. They
[5:43] Speaker 2: report on it like it's fair game, like it's normal.
[5:46] Speaker 2: But nothing about this is normal. If you don't take
[5:48] Speaker 2: a stand against this creeping culture, it has a tendency
[5:52] Speaker 2: of taking over. The Premier says, you only have to
[5:55] Speaker 2: look at America to know that I cannot stand back
[5:59] Speaker 2: and let Victoria become a place where this sort of
[6:01] Speaker 2: language is fair game against any woman at work or
[6:05] Speaker 2: any woman in leadership. If we don't draw a line,
[6:08] Speaker 2: the line will keep moving. At the end of the day,
[6:11] Speaker 2: I just want my kids to grow up knowing that
[6:13] Speaker 2: women deserve the same respect as men. I want girls
[6:16] Speaker 2: to know that they should never need to aim lower
[6:19] Speaker 2: just to feel safer. And I want boys to know
[6:22] Speaker 2: that they don't have to put women in their place
[6:24] Speaker 2: to make their own way in the world. Sexism hurts everyone.
[6:28] Speaker 2: If the media won't call it out, I will. I'm
[6:31] Speaker 2: sorry that was quite long, but I felt I needed
[6:34] Speaker 2: to demonstrate exactly that the point she was getting at,
[6:37] Speaker 2: and to me, it seems that this is always the
[6:40] Speaker 2: first refuge of women under attack. They're not under attack
[6:44] Speaker 2: because of their politics or anything they've done. They're under
[6:47] Speaker 2: attack because they're a woman. And obviously she tries to
[6:50] Speaker 2: make that connection because of the witch bit and yes,
[6:54] Speaker 2: which is a word that you wouldn't use for a
[6:57] Speaker 2: bloke because men can't be witches. But it's really not
[7:01] Speaker 2: that deep. Witches are villainous, and they're setting up miss
[7:05] Speaker 2: Allen as the villain. Ditch the witch. It's a good rhyme.
[7:08] Speaker 2: It's genuinely as simple as that. You could run a
[7:11] Speaker 2: campaign against a male politician and let's say you call
[7:15] Speaker 2: it kick the dick. Now, you wouldn't use that against
[7:18] Speaker 2: a woman because calling someone a dick generally refers to
[7:22] Speaker 2: a man. And I can tell you that if you
[7:24] Speaker 2: did have a campaign called kick the dick, we wouldn't
[7:27] Speaker 2: be here talking about whether it was sexist or anything
[7:30] Speaker 2: like that. Maybe there'd be criticism that it's a bit
[7:32] Speaker 2: crude and fair enough, but no one would be saying, oh,
[7:36] Speaker 2: woe is me, they're targeting him because he's a man.
[7:40] Speaker 2: We'd say, no, he's a politician and he's being attacked
[7:44] Speaker 2: as politicians always are. Why is it different for women?
[7:48] Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't handle the heat, get out
[7:50] Speaker 2: of the kitchen. And that's not sexist, by the way,
[7:53] Speaker 2: because men cook too criticizing a woman is not sexist.
[7:58] Speaker 2: If you can't mock up a woman as a witch,
[8:01] Speaker 2: what about a man as pinocchio?
[8:04] Speaker 4: Selection ladies and gentlemen will be about trust.
[8:08] Speaker 2: Who do you trust?
[8:09] Speaker 5: To keep interest rates low?
[8:13] Speaker 6: Who do you trust? Who do you trust?
[8:16] Speaker 2: Who do you trust? Who do you trust? Who do
[8:18] Speaker 2: you trust? Who do you trust?
[8:20] Speaker 6: Who do you trust? Who do your trust?
[8:22] Speaker 5: Interest rates oversen nine times in a row under John Howard.
[8:26] Speaker 7: His response, working families in Australia have never been better off.
[8:31] Speaker 2: Oh but Caleb, it's a man. It's not the same thing.
[8:34] Speaker 2: You can't be sexist to men. The point is that
[8:37] Speaker 2: in politics people say mean things about their opponents. It's
[8:41] Speaker 2: nothing new and it has nothing to do with what's
[8:44] Speaker 2: between your legs. About Paul Keating nineteen eighty four, talking
[8:49] Speaker 2: about then Opposition leader Andrew Peacock, he said, the leader
[8:52] Speaker 2: of the Opposition is more to be pitied than despise.
[8:55] Speaker 2: The poor old thing. The Liberal Party of Australia ought
[8:58] Speaker 2: to put him down like a faithful old dog, because
[9:02] Speaker 2: he is of no use to it and of no
[9:04] Speaker 2: use to the nation. Now imagine if a male politician
[9:08] Speaker 2: suggested that a woman ought to be killed because she
[9:11] Speaker 2: was no good at her job. Outcry, sex is misogyny
[9:15] Speaker 2: when you say it about a man. Well, it's a
[9:17] Speaker 2: bit blue, but it's a funny line that will go
[9:19] Speaker 2: down in history as one of mister Keating's most cutting
[9:23] Speaker 2: or Keating again. On John Howard's appearance, this is in
[9:27] Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, he said, I will never get to
[9:30] Speaker 2: the stage of wanting to lead the nation standing in
[9:33] Speaker 2: front of the mirror every morning, clipping the eyebrows here
[9:36] Speaker 2: and clipping the eyebrows there. With Jeanette and the kids.
[9:39] Speaker 2: It's like spot the eyebrow and we all dropped to
[9:42] Speaker 2: the floor laughing. But if you said anything about a
[9:45] Speaker 2: woman's appearance war sexist. It's not about sex or gender
[9:50] Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's politicians being attacked by the
[9:53] Speaker 2: other side of politics. It's happened forever, it'll keep happening
[9:57] Speaker 2: forever more. And in a world now where women are
[10:00] Speaker 2: heavily involved in politics and rightly so, we have to
[10:04] Speaker 2: move past reaching for sexism and misogyny every time a
[10:08] Speaker 2: female politician cops strong or even crude criticism. We have
[10:14] Speaker 2: a female premier and opposition leader in Victoria. We've had
[10:17] Speaker 2: female premiers of New South Wales and Queensland in recent years.
[10:21] Speaker 2: The Chief Minister of the NT is a woman. We
[10:23] Speaker 2: have female opposition leaders in South Australia and New South Wales.
[10:28] Speaker 2: Everyone is fair game, man or woman. The real issue,
[10:32] Speaker 2: of course, is that Jacinta Allen is under a great
[10:35] Speaker 2: deal of pressure in Victoria and even in her own electorate,
[10:38] Speaker 2: so she needs to deflect somehow. So this is what
[10:42] Speaker 2: she's chosen. And by the way, before I move on,
[10:45] Speaker 2: this is what the Prime Minister had to say about
[10:47] Speaker 2: it today.
[10:49] Speaker 4: You can have a disagreement with people's policy position by
[10:54] Speaker 4: all means you don't have to denigrate people in such
[10:59] Speaker 4: a personal It has got to stop. What worries me
[11:04] Speaker 4: is the misogyny that's involved there. The sexist campaign targeting
[11:09] Speaker 4: the Victorian premiere is totally unacceptable and has no place
[11:14] Speaker 4: in public life. What I don't want to do is
[11:17] Speaker 4: to have a press comments in this courtyard after a tragedy.
[11:22] Speaker 2: Basically what he is suggesting at the end there is
[11:25] Speaker 2: that someone might be killed or attacked because of political
[11:29] Speaker 2: campaigns like ditch the Witch. Now, I don't doubt that
[11:32] Speaker 2: politicians get all sorts of abuse and threats and the
[11:36] Speaker 2: like sent to them. I get stuff too, but it's
[11:38] Speaker 2: not like we're the US, and I don't think we're
[11:41] Speaker 2: becoming anything like the US. And that's a pretty extreme
[11:45] Speaker 2: bow to draw to suggest that that billboard could somehow
[11:48] Speaker 2: potentially lead to a place of violence or death. Now,
[11:53] Speaker 2: of course, one of the reasons just Sinterer Allen is
[11:55] Speaker 2: under so much pressure in Victoria is because of crime.
[11:58] Speaker 2: The place is riddled with it. That story last week
[12:01] Speaker 2: that insurance claims for car thefts were up twenty five
[12:04] Speaker 2: percent in Victoria and that the bill for Victoria was
[12:07] Speaker 2: more than all the other mainland states combined. I mean,
[12:11] Speaker 2: this place is stuffed. Well, the splash on the Herald
[12:14] Speaker 2: Sun this morning wasn't any better. Perhaps it shouldn't be
[12:17] Speaker 2: all that surprising, but people in areas without a twenty
[12:20] Speaker 2: four hour police station more likely to be robbed than
[12:24] Speaker 2: those who do have a twenty four hour cop shop nearby.
[12:28] Speaker 2: Forty three police stations had their hours cut in twenty
[12:30] Speaker 2: twenty three and early twenty twenty four, allegedly to get
[12:33] Speaker 2: officers out of the station on the beat instead. Two
[12:37] Speaker 2: stations were also completely shut well. Grace Frost wrote this
[12:41] Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun Today. A Herald Sun investigation has
[12:44] Speaker 2: exposed a direct link between surging home burglaries and Victoria's
[12:49] Speaker 2: police cuts to station opening hours, Despite top brass claims
[12:54] Speaker 2: that the closures are helping drive down crime. In neighborhoods
[12:57] Speaker 2: where police stations closed to the public after dark, the
[13:00] Speaker 2: number of residential burglaries jumped by sixteen point four percent
[13:04] Speaker 2: in two years, but in stark contrast, the rate of
[13:07] Speaker 2: home burglaries decreased by one point two percent in areas
[13:11] Speaker 2: where stations maintained their opening hours. Nearly twenty eight thousand
[13:16] Speaker 2: homes were burgled across the state last year, up nearly
[13:19] Speaker 2: two thousand, seven hundred from twenty twenty three, when the
[13:22] Speaker 2: first major cuts to hours were rolled out. The exclusive
[13:26] Speaker 2: data also reveals total offenses have sored by a massive
[13:29] Speaker 2: twenty two point four percent, and council areas or at
[13:33] Speaker 2: least one police station reduced its opening hours in twenty
[13:36] Speaker 2: twenty three or twenty twenty four, compared to fifteen point
[13:40] Speaker 2: seven percent in areas that kept cop shops open. So
[13:44] Speaker 2: it seems pretty clear that there is a connection between
[13:47] Speaker 2: closing or reducing the hours of police stations and people's
[13:51] Speaker 2: homes being broken into, and police visibility is important in
[13:55] Speaker 2: preventing crime. But part of that visibility is having cop
[14:00] Speaker 2: shops open and operating. And I would say to those
[14:02] Speaker 2: of you in Melbourne and in Victoria, have you noticed
[14:06] Speaker 2: more cops on the beat? That's what we were told
[14:09] Speaker 2: was meant to happen. Victorian Police Association Boss Wayne Gatt.
[14:13] Speaker 2: He certainly doesn't think so, he said, I can't. It
[14:16] Speaker 2: can't be said, sorry that since these closures occurred, communities
[14:20] Speaker 2: have noticed a surge of police officers within their suburbs.
[14:23] Speaker 2: That's simply not the case. In contrast, what we have
[14:26] Speaker 2: seen and heard from within the community are repeated instances
[14:30] Speaker 2: of victims of serious crime not being able to get
[14:33] Speaker 2: a police response for several hours due to the simple
[14:36] Speaker 2: fact that there is more crime and more victims than
[14:40] Speaker 2: there are police. And that's the story that matters in
[14:44] Speaker 2: Victoria today. The government cutting police ours, home invasions through
[14:48] Speaker 2: the roof, car thefts through the roof, knife crime through
[14:52] Speaker 2: the roof, kitty grims, terrorizing suburbs to the point that
[14:55] Speaker 2: residents are hiring private security to monister monitor the streets.
[15:01] Speaker 2: And instead everyone spent the day talking about whether or
[15:04] Speaker 2: not an ad was sexist towards the premiere and you
[15:08] Speaker 2: know Paul says it all the time. But this mob
[15:11] Speaker 2: has to go because things at the moment are frankly
[15:15] Speaker 2: a joke. Now the government is clearly rattled. It's the
[15:18] Speaker 2: federal government, I mean by the response to the budget
[15:22] Speaker 2: and the polls that just keep getting better and better
[15:24] Speaker 2: for one nation. Of course, last night the latest news
[15:27] Speaker 2: pole dropped with one Nation inching ahead of Labor on
[15:30] Speaker 2: the Prime revote thirty one percent to one nation, thirty
[15:32] Speaker 2: percent of labor, eighteen percent to the Coalition. And now
[15:36] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is talking about immigration here he was
[15:40] Speaker 2: earlier today.
[15:41] Speaker 4: I want an Australia that is united, one that has
[15:46] Speaker 4: social cohesion at our core, one that respects people for
[15:50] Speaker 4: who they are, but is patriotic about all of us
[15:55] Speaker 4: being Australians. And we will reduce the net overseas migration
[16:01] Speaker 4: over the next couple of years down to two hundred
[16:03] Speaker 4: and twenty five thousand. Would think that's the right number.
[16:08] Speaker 2: We're bringing migration down. Anthony Albanesi says, well, let's just
[16:13] Speaker 2: check the record on that. If you go back to
[16:15] Speaker 2: the first budget handed down by the Albanesi government in
[16:19] Speaker 2: October twenty twenty two, it sets out their forecast for
[16:23] Speaker 2: net overseas migration, and it says on page one hundred
[16:26] Speaker 2: and eight of budget paper number three that net overseas
[16:30] Speaker 2: migration for twenty twenty two to twenty three would be
[16:33] Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five thousand, and the same for
[16:36] Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, twenty four to twenty five and
[16:39] Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six, which is where we are now.
[16:42] Speaker 2: They were the numbers from the Albanesi government when they
[16:46] Speaker 2: came to power, but compare them to what's actually happened.
[16:50] Speaker 2: Net overseas migration in twenty twenty two twenty three was
[16:54] Speaker 2: five hundred and eighteen thousand compared to the target of
[16:57] Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five. Twenty twenty three twenty four
[17:01] Speaker 2: it was four hundred and twenty nine thousand, compared to
[17:03] Speaker 2: the original target of two hundred and thirty five. Twenty
[17:07] Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five, it's three hundred and six
[17:10] Speaker 2: thousand compared to the original target of twenty two h
[17:14] Speaker 2: s Two hundred and thirty five. Now, the estimate in
[17:17] Speaker 2: this year's budget is two hundred ninety five thousand compared
[17:21] Speaker 2: to the original target of two hundred and thirty five.
[17:24] Speaker 2: So yes, it's coming down a bit, but this government
[17:28] Speaker 2: has not been able to stick to a migration target
[17:31] Speaker 2: to save itself, and it has overseen an explosion of
[17:34] Speaker 2: migration in this country, mass migration. The Institute of Public
[17:39] Speaker 2: Affairs crunched the numbers and worked out that between the
[17:42] Speaker 2: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five financial years, actual
[17:46] Speaker 2: net overseas migration would hit one point three million. Now,
[17:50] Speaker 2: in the Albanesi government's first federal budget, they expected net
[17:54] Speaker 2: overseas migration to be seven hundred and five thousand over
[17:58] Speaker 2: that period. In its second federal budget, it revised the
[18:02] Speaker 2: net overseas migration forecast over that period to nine hundred
[18:07] Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand. Then, in its third federal budget,
[18:10] Speaker 2: it revised the net overseas migration forecast over that period
[18:14] Speaker 2: to one point eight three million, and an average of
[18:18] Speaker 2: forecasts all of these numbers included in the federal budget
[18:21] Speaker 2: pages papers over that time, estimated that net overseas migration
[18:26] Speaker 2: would be nine hundred and fifty four thousand, three hundred
[18:30] Speaker 2: and thirty three, which was an underestimate of three hundred
[18:34] Speaker 2: and fifty one, three hundred and eighty three people, more
[18:37] Speaker 2: than one hundred thousand people a year over that time.
[18:40] Speaker 2: So do you believe this bloke for a minute when
[18:43] Speaker 2: he says that migration is coming under control and he
[18:46] Speaker 2: wants to be patriotic and all this business. You're too
[18:49] Speaker 2: late to the party, mate. People can see what you've
[18:52] Speaker 2: done to this country and that's why they're looking elsewhere.
[18:55] Speaker 2: They're looking to one nation. I mean, if you think
[18:58] Speaker 2: that you can now come through and say but I
[19:02] Speaker 2: care about migration too, people aren't going to buy it.
[19:06] Speaker 2: It's your government that has wrought this mass migration problem
[19:10] Speaker 2: upon us. But it does show that the PM, the government,
[19:14] Speaker 2: they're worried about one nation. They can see that the
[19:18] Speaker 2: national mood has shifted, and it's shifted fast, you have
[19:21] Speaker 2: to say, And the Prime Minister says, part of this
[19:24] Speaker 2: shift is because people, particularly young people, don't feel like
[19:29] Speaker 2: the economy is working for them to.
[19:32] Speaker 4: You know, paraphrase, it's the economy, stupid. It's always the
[19:36] Speaker 4: economy that sets the parameters for debate, which is why
[19:43] Speaker 4: the argument that says that having delivered our commitments in
[19:48] Speaker 4: our first year of our second term, we should sit
[19:52] Speaker 4: back and coast for the next two. There's one that
[19:56] Speaker 4: I wasn't prepared to support.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Now he's borrowing lines from Bill Clinton's political strategist James Carvill.
[20:04] Speaker 1: Stay focused, talk about things that are matter to people.
[20:07] Speaker 1: You know, it's the economy stupid.
[20:11] Speaker 2: Of course, it's not the first time. It should be
[20:13] Speaker 2: noted that mister Albinizi has borrowed someone else's lines.
[20:18] Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Tony Abbott is not the least bit interested in
[20:21] Speaker 4: fixing anything.
[20:22] Speaker 8: Bob Robson is not the least bit into resident solving it.
[20:26] Speaker 6: He's only interested in two things.
[20:28] Speaker 1: He is into resident two things.
[20:30] Speaker 4: Making a strange afraid of it, making you afraid of it,
[20:33] Speaker 4: and telling them who's to blame for.
[20:35] Speaker 6: It, and telling you who's a blame for it.
[20:37] Speaker 2: Classic of the genre, that one. But back to the
[20:40] Speaker 2: substantial point, Yes, it is the economy stupid. But why
[20:44] Speaker 2: do you think, Prime Minister that the economy is not
[20:47] Speaker 2: working for people? You've been in charge of it for
[20:50] Speaker 2: four years and we are going backwards. We're not better off.
[20:53] Speaker 2: And we can see that one of the major causes
[20:55] Speaker 2: of that has been mass migration, and that's why people
[20:58] Speaker 2: are turning to one nation and now having been the
[21:01] Speaker 2: substantive problem. You are saying that you're the solution. Well,
[21:06] Speaker 2: unfortunately for you, people aren't buying what you're selling anymore.
[21:10] Speaker 2: Just look at those polls and then using that as
[21:13] Speaker 2: some sort of justification for breaking election promises in the
[21:17] Speaker 2: budget last month is some sort of bizarre mental gymnastics.
[21:22] Speaker 2: I mean, surely he can't actually think that fiddling with
[21:25] Speaker 2: negative gearing and capital gains tax will do a single
[21:28] Speaker 2: thing to dissuade anyone from voting for one nation now,
[21:33] Speaker 2: and I don't have to go through chapter and verse
[21:35] Speaker 2: what's wrong with those changes? I think you probably have
[21:38] Speaker 2: the gist of it by now. But the PM has
[21:40] Speaker 2: to be in la la land if he thinks this
[21:43] Speaker 2: will do anything to help. All it does is raise
[21:46] Speaker 2: more tax, which of course the government wants. But they're
[21:48] Speaker 2: two very different things, and the Prime Minister's strategy now
[21:53] Speaker 2: is to bat away criticism of the budget and questions
[21:56] Speaker 2: about the budget seeming it seems to be that spite
[22:00] Speaker 2: promising that he wouldn't change capital gains tax on neative
[22:03] Speaker 2: gearing fifty times he said it. According to him, his
[22:06] Speaker 2: strategy now is to say that this is actually what
[22:10] Speaker 2: people asked for, so what's all the fuss? He started
[22:14] Speaker 2: with this line to the Australia's Economic Outlook summit, hosted
[22:19] Speaker 2: by Sky News and The Australian on Friday, he told
[22:23] Speaker 2: Andrew Colonel that the media had been begging for tax reform.
[22:28] Speaker 4: One of the things that I looked up when we
[22:32] Speaker 4: were preparing for this speech was what we did a
[22:36] Speaker 4: year ago and what you had to say then, and
[22:40] Speaker 4: you could play it maybe was when are you going
[22:44] Speaker 4: to get serious about economic reform The Australian. I reckon
[22:48] Speaker 4: I could dig up fifty editorials over my time as
[22:55] Speaker 4: Prime Minister and leader of the Labor Party that calls
[22:57] Speaker 4: for tax reform. But you can't have all So people
[23:01] Speaker 4: in the media say for year after year after year,
[23:06] Speaker 4: governments need to move. People in the media say you've
[23:09] Speaker 4: got to have real reform when you get it by
[23:12] Speaker 4: all means, be critical, but be critical based upon what
[23:15] Speaker 4: we're actually doing now.
[23:17] Speaker 2: As I said on Friday, saying about the negative gearing
[23:20] Speaker 2: and CGT changes, that you ask for tax reform and
[23:23] Speaker 2: you've got tax reforms, So what are you complaining about
[23:25] Speaker 2: is a bit like saying you asked for a drink
[23:27] Speaker 2: and I brought you a drink, so why are you
[23:29] Speaker 2: upset about the fact it's a glass of toilet water?
[23:32] Speaker 2: And he tried the same sort of line today.
[23:35] Speaker 4: Australians are frustrated. And one of the interesting things about
[23:40] Speaker 4: the debate about our budget over recent days, all weeks,
[23:44] Speaker 4: I haven't seen anyone go out there and argue in
[23:47] Speaker 4: an opinion piece, in an editorial that Australia's current housing
[23:52] Speaker 4: systems are working for Australians. I haven't seen anyone argue that. Now,
[23:58] Speaker 4: if you accept that theystems broken, you've got a responsibility
[24:02] Speaker 4: to do something about it.
[24:04] Speaker 2: Yes, people are frustrated, Prime Minister, but I don't know
[24:07] Speaker 2: if you've noticed that the shift to one nation in
[24:09] Speaker 2: the polls has only grown since the federal budget. It
[24:13] Speaker 2: does nothing to really address people's frustrations and in fact,
[24:16] Speaker 2: in many cases it will make them worse. And people
[24:20] Speaker 2: can see that. And again he tries this thing, Well,
[24:23] Speaker 2: people want things to change in the housing system, so
[24:25] Speaker 2: I had to do something about it. Well, if you
[24:29] Speaker 2: had a mold problem in your house and you called
[24:32] Speaker 2: me out as a tradee to do something about it,
[24:34] Speaker 2: I could burn your house down and legitimately say that
[24:37] Speaker 2: I got rid of the mold. It wouldn't be much
[24:39] Speaker 2: help to you, would it. Yes, we need real and
[24:42] Speaker 2: significant tax reform. Yes we need to do something to
[24:46] Speaker 2: make home ownership more attainable for young people. But none
[24:50] Speaker 2: of the alleged answers that you're implementing are actually of
[24:54] Speaker 2: any use except for pulling in more tax for the government.
[24:58] Speaker 2: We're not that stupid. This is isn't what we asked for,
[25:01] Speaker 2: and that's why people are looking elsewhere in growing numbers now.
[25:06] Speaker 2: I think it's wonderful to see people flying the Australian
[25:09] Speaker 2: flag at their home, sir. I mean, how lucky we
[25:12] Speaker 2: are to live here, the best country on Earth, and
[25:15] Speaker 2: the flag at the frontier is like a little bit
[25:17] Speaker 2: of thanks. It tis I'm glad I live here. I'm
[25:19] Speaker 2: grateful to live here. Exactly the sort of thing that
[25:22] Speaker 2: you'd think we should encourage. But have a look at
[25:24] Speaker 2: this woman, Brianna O'Brien. I'm not sure where in the
[25:27] Speaker 2: country she's from, but she had an Aussie flag on
[25:30] Speaker 2: the front of her rented home. And this is what
[25:33] Speaker 2: happened when the property manager came around for a routine
[25:36] Speaker 2: inspection this morning.
[25:39] Speaker 8: We had a routine house inspection and the first thing
[25:42] Speaker 8: that the real estate said when she got to the
[25:44] Speaker 8: front door is I'm going to have to take this
[25:46] Speaker 8: Australian flag down before I can start the inspection. I
[25:50] Speaker 8: just looked at her and said, what, okay, sure whatever.
[25:54] Speaker 8: Obviously she proceeded to tell me that she doesn't have
[25:57] Speaker 8: an issue with it, it's whatever, but the ownable by
[26:00] Speaker 8: having it up, our house might become a target. And
[26:04] Speaker 8: all I could think in the back of my head
[26:06] Speaker 8: was I can always guarantee if that was a rainbow
[26:10] Speaker 8: flag for Pride Month or if it was a Palestine flag,
[26:14] Speaker 8: there is no way we'd be asked to take it down,
[26:17] Speaker 8: and there's no way that she would be getting up
[26:18] Speaker 8: there herself to take it down.
[26:21] Speaker 2: I mean, how sad is that that the owner is
[26:23] Speaker 2: worried that the property could become a target, presumably for
[26:27] Speaker 2: attackle vandalism or something, because the people living there are
[26:31] Speaker 2: flying the national flag. Now, the first point I suppose
[26:35] Speaker 2: is what does that say about us as a people?
[26:38] Speaker 2: How is it that in our own country we would
[26:42] Speaker 2: feel afraid to fly our own national flag to show
[26:46] Speaker 2: our own national symbols. I mean, if you can't fly
[26:50] Speaker 2: the Australian flag, in Australia without fear of retribution, then
[26:54] Speaker 2: where can you fly it? And this is exactly how
[26:57] Speaker 2: those who hate us, who hate our country want us
[27:00] Speaker 2: to feel. They want us to feel ashamed of our country.
[27:04] Speaker 2: They want us to feel afraid to proudly be Australian
[27:07] Speaker 2: because once they've achieved fear, they don't have to use
[27:10] Speaker 2: force anymore. We'll to sort of self regulate and do
[27:14] Speaker 2: what will cause the least trouble. But there should never
[27:17] Speaker 2: be any trouble for flying the Australian flag in Australia.
[27:22] Speaker 2: I mean, this is exactly why we should fly the
[27:25] Speaker 2: flag and proudly so, because when you cower in fear,
[27:29] Speaker 2: when you give in to these people, they will win.
[27:32] Speaker 2: They win the fight by suppressing our national pride and
[27:36] Speaker 2: making us afraid. Well, don't be afraid, stand up to
[27:40] Speaker 2: the bullies. And to be honest, made me think as well.
[27:44] Speaker 2: If landlords and property managers are now saying that you
[27:48] Speaker 2: can't fly the national flag because it allegedly has some
[27:51] Speaker 2: sort of political connotation and that might make the property
[27:54] Speaker 2: a target, does that then mean that housing could potentially
[27:59] Speaker 2: be denied to people on the basis of their politics
[28:02] Speaker 2: because it could make the property a target. I mean,
[28:05] Speaker 2: I'm a prominent commentator in the media. I'm on air
[28:08] Speaker 2: here five nights a week, I write in the paper,
[28:10] Speaker 2: I do a podcast. You know exactly what I think.
[28:14] Speaker 2: I think you could fairly say, I'm not backwards, in
[28:16] Speaker 2: coming forwards. So does that mean that there is a
[28:20] Speaker 2: risk someone might want to do me in or attack
[28:23] Speaker 2: my home? Maybe? So if I go to rent a place,
[28:28] Speaker 2: I could have a property manager say, oh, sorry, Caleb,
[28:31] Speaker 2: but you're a well known conservative and we're worried that
[28:35] Speaker 2: people will know where you live and it'll make the
[28:36] Speaker 2: property a target. Because if that's genuinely where some people
[28:41] Speaker 2: think this country is at, then we have big problems
[28:45] Speaker 2: and it just should not be the case. If putting
[28:48] Speaker 2: the national flag out the front might make your property
[28:51] Speaker 2: your target, then surely the answer is to round up
[28:54] Speaker 2: the people who might target the property, not tell people
[28:57] Speaker 2: that they can't display the Australian flag. And the second
[29:01] Speaker 2: point that Miss O'Brien makes as a fair one too.
[29:03] Speaker 2: What if it was a Pride flag or a Palestinian
[29:06] Speaker 2: flag or something. I suspect it would be a lot
[29:08] Speaker 2: harder for a property manager to say, oh, you should
[29:11] Speaker 2: take that one down because they'd be worried that it
[29:14] Speaker 2: would be taken as discrimination and then there'll be a
[29:16] Speaker 2: complaint to the Human Rights Commission or something. But of
[29:19] Speaker 2: course when it symbols of Australia, well it's really discrimination,
[29:23] Speaker 2: is it. You should feel guilty. Well it's time to
[29:26] Speaker 2: stop feeling guilty. And if you want to fly the
[29:29] Speaker 2: Australian flag, you damn will should do so and no
[29:33] Speaker 2: one should be able to tell you otherwise. All Right,
[29:36] Speaker 2: Nick Reason and Matt Canavan are with me after the break,
[29:39] Speaker 2: I'll see what they think of this ditch the witch
[29:41] Speaker 2: business and plenty more. Thank you for joining me on
[29:43] Speaker 2: this Monday night. Caleb Bond in for Paul this week.
[29:52] Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the panel. Joining me now,
[29:54] Speaker 2: Nationals leader Matt Canavan and Melbourne Lord Me and Nick Reese.
[29:57] Speaker 2: Could to see you both, gentlemen, Nick, I just want
[29:59] Speaker 2: to ask you quickly about this polling I talked about
[30:02] Speaker 2: at the top of the show from fresh Water in Victoria.
[30:05] Speaker 2: It's dropped on the Herald Sun tonight. Should not. Of course.
[30:08] Speaker 2: The Freshwater was the mob that did the polling for
[30:12] Speaker 2: the Coalition during the federal election and it wasn't terribly accurate,
[30:15] Speaker 2: so maybe we take it with a grain of salt.
[30:18] Speaker 2: But they've got the Coalition leading Labor fifty three forty
[30:21] Speaker 2: seven in Victoria. Do you think that's a fair reflection
[30:24] Speaker 2: of the reality, Nick.
[30:26] Speaker 7: Oh, Look, I think Australia and that includes Victoria having
[30:30] Speaker 7: a political moment at the moment. You look at that
[30:34] Speaker 7: one nation vote at the highest levels we've ever seen.
[30:38] Speaker 7: It is something quite extraordinary, and look, it reflects the
[30:42] Speaker 7: fact that people are very frustrated, they feel like the
[30:44] Speaker 7: system is.
[30:45] Speaker 6: Not working for them, and they're taking.
[30:49] Speaker 7: It out on the establishment political parties by flirting with
[30:52] Speaker 7: the likes of one Nation. It's a big challenge for Labor,
[30:56] Speaker 7: it's a certainly a big challenge for the Nationals and
[30:58] Speaker 7: the Liberals, and we will see whether that actually translates
[31:03] Speaker 7: to how people vote when it comes to the real
[31:06] Speaker 7: election in Victoria later this year in a federal election
[31:09] Speaker 7: down the track.
[31:09] Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that News poll that you mentioned there,
[31:13] Speaker 2: Nick Matt. Obviously for the Coalition it's not the greatest result,
[31:18] Speaker 2: you know, one nation thirty one percent, that's up seven percent.
[31:22] Speaker 2: It's a huge jump. Now more popular than Labor. The
[31:26] Speaker 2: coalition down three points to eighteen percent. I mean, what
[31:31] Speaker 2: does that say for the coalition post a change of
[31:35] Speaker 2: leadership obviously in your party. To you and to Angus
[31:39] Speaker 2: Taylor in the Liberal Party, We've got.
[31:43] Speaker 1: A lot of work to do, That's what it says
[31:44] Speaker 1: to me. A lot of work to do. We've got
[31:45] Speaker 1: a lot of work to rebuild trust. You know, I've
[31:49] Speaker 1: said many times Caleb, I've was frustrated the last few years,
[31:53] Speaker 1: and I can understand why people are frustrated. Their living
[31:55] Speaker 1: standards have fallen off a cliff despite promises that they
[31:59] Speaker 1: would rise interest rates now going up, a government that
[32:03] Speaker 1: doesn't seem interested in controlling our borders, having lots of
[32:07] Speaker 1: consequences on housing and other infrastructure. So I totally understand
[32:11] Speaker 1: where people are going. All we've got to do is
[32:13] Speaker 1: work very hard to come up with better plans and
[32:16] Speaker 1: stick with them and convince people we've got those to
[32:19] Speaker 1: win and to deliver better results. I mean, I look
[32:22] Speaker 1: here in Queensland where we do have a Liberal and
[32:24] Speaker 1: National Party government and they're doing good things. They're running
[32:29] Speaker 1: our qual fire power stations and that's helping push power
[32:31] Speaker 1: prices down here and flowing through to other states. They're
[32:34] Speaker 1: stopping these crazy win projects destroying our environment and they've
[32:38] Speaker 1: even been pubity blockers in our hostels. Just common sense
[32:41] Speaker 1: policies up here in Queensland. So that's the template that
[32:44] Speaker 1: we've got to follow and demonstrate to people come the
[32:47] Speaker 1: next election, were the best choice. There's a long time
[32:49] Speaker 1: to the next election, so we just can't can't respond
[32:54] Speaker 1: to every pole. We've just got to knuckle down.
[32:57] Speaker 2: That is true, and I think Labour would be worried
[32:59] Speaker 2: about it as well too, because you know, when you've
[33:02] Speaker 2: got a party that at the last federal election was
[33:04] Speaker 2: doing like six percent and is now in the positing
[33:07] Speaker 2: thirty one percent, like the highest primary vote of any
[33:10] Speaker 2: party in the country, the government would have to be
[33:12] Speaker 2: looking at that as well. Go back to Victoria Nick.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Of course, one of the stories of the day I
[33:18] Speaker 2: talked about at the top of the show. Everyone's talked
[33:20] Speaker 2: about it today is this Ditch the Witch, a billboard
[33:24] Speaker 2: campaign that was running over the weekend. And I personally
[33:28] Speaker 2: don't think it's sexist. I understand the connection between which
[33:34] Speaker 2: which is generally used for a woman. I said at
[33:36] Speaker 2: the top of the show that a man couldn't be
[33:37] Speaker 2: a witch but I've actually had some emails about it,
[33:40] Speaker 2: and I've gone and looked it up in the dictionary,
[33:41] Speaker 2: and a man can actually be a witch, but it
[33:44] Speaker 2: is generally used for women. But you men get attacked
[33:48] Speaker 2: in politics, women get attacked in politics. It feels to
[33:51] Speaker 2: me lazy to instead of dealing with the real issues
[33:55] Speaker 2: that Victoria is facing, and you know very well what
[33:58] Speaker 2: they are. Instead, the premieer is jumping up and down
[34:02] Speaker 2: about this. I'm not sure it does her any favors.
[34:06] Speaker 7: Look, Cal, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with
[34:08] Speaker 7: you on this one. I think the use of these billboards,
[34:11] Speaker 7: paid for by a Melbourne brothel owner is an absolute disgrace.
[34:15] Speaker 7: It's sexist, you know, it's an attack on all women.
[34:20] Speaker 7: I see Paul and Hanson's out there today saying, you know,
[34:23] Speaker 7: stuck it up. Well, I mean she's a sellout to
[34:25] Speaker 7: the women and young girls of Australia through those women.
[34:29] Speaker 2: It's about one person, the Premier.
[34:31] Speaker 7: Well, the characterization of a woman as a witch is
[34:38] Speaker 7: obviously gender laden. Yes, I'm sure in some encyclopedia somewhere
[34:42] Speaker 7: you can find example of a mar which but generally
[34:46] Speaker 7: in popular mythology, which is a woman, and then the
[34:51] Speaker 7: whole ditch, the which thing member whiches were burned at
[34:54] Speaker 7: the stake.
[34:55] Speaker 6: There is a violent overlay to it.
[34:58] Speaker 7: I just think it's it's disgraceful and I actually think
[35:01] Speaker 7: we're better than that. And any political attack which sort
[35:06] Speaker 7: of invokes notions of violence in the way a ditch
[35:10] Speaker 7: to which slogan does, I think needs to be condemned roundly.
[35:15] Speaker 6: Caleb, it really really does.
[35:17] Speaker 7: We need to do politics better in this country and
[35:21] Speaker 7: that just takes us into the gutter.
[35:24] Speaker 2: I don't disagree that it is a low kind of campaign, Nick,
[35:28] Speaker 2: but Matta, I mean I can't say it comes it
[35:30] Speaker 2: up and thoughts of violence at all, visions of violence
[35:34] Speaker 2: in my head? Is it the best campaign ever? No?
[35:37] Speaker 2: But is it being blown out of proportion A bit?
[35:41] Speaker 1: I'm not going to cop lectures from the Labor Party.
[35:44] Speaker 1: I mean, give me a break, particularly their associated entities
[35:47] Speaker 1: that they line up we take funding from. I've had
[35:50] Speaker 1: the most lurid abuse thrown at me, my wife, our
[35:56] Speaker 1: prime minister at different times. I mean, give me a break, Nick. Now, look,
[36:00] Speaker 1: it's not language I would use, so I just it's
[36:03] Speaker 1: not so much the gender element. I don't think it's
[36:05] Speaker 1: over the top, but I just wouldn't use that kind
[36:07] Speaker 1: of language in saying that. I also believe, as elected
[36:09] Speaker 1: officials with people with great power, that we should not
[36:12] Speaker 1: be a protected species. If this kind of language is
[36:15] Speaker 1: used to an average person down the street, I would
[36:18] Speaker 1: be strongly academic, because we shouldn't behave like that to
[36:20] Speaker 1: each other. But in the positions of power and great authority,
[36:23] Speaker 1: a different level of responsibility comes, and sometimes we're subject
[36:26] Speaker 1: to this. I don't complain about it, as I say
[36:28] Speaker 1: when the Labor Party does it, I don't get angry
[36:30] Speaker 1: about that. I just get even. And likewise, I think
[36:33] Speaker 1: what the Labor Party, the Victorian Labor Party, would be
[36:35] Speaker 1: wise to do is to get even and focus on
[36:38] Speaker 1: their own state, focus on delivering good results, and if
[36:41] Speaker 1: they win, that will be the sweetest revenge against people
[36:44] Speaker 1: saying things like that. But while ever they're in the
[36:46] Speaker 1: fetal position marning and whining about this sort of stuff,
[36:49] Speaker 1: as you say, Caleb, I don't think it does them
[36:51] Speaker 1: a good service.
[36:52] Speaker 7: Indeed, look gone, I mean, Matt, I know you to
[36:56] Speaker 7: be a good man, and I know that both you
[36:59] Speaker 7: and I were in public life and we cop a
[37:01] Speaker 7: lot and you know, we're pretty fixedkin, but it can
[37:04] Speaker 7: hurt at times as well. And whenever I see another
[37:08] Speaker 7: politician being attacked with that gender laid and hateful sort
[37:13] Speaker 7: of stuff like fixter, which I call it out, doesn't
[37:16] Speaker 7: matter what political persuasion there are, and I think you
[37:19] Speaker 7: need to be clearer in your condemnation.
[37:21] Speaker 6: They're like, don't sink into the one nation, mya, my friend,
[37:25] Speaker 6: don't don't just because Pauline's out there today.
[37:28] Speaker 1: I mean don't. I mean, I look, I can't, I can't.
[37:35] Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't gone back and look what
[37:36] Speaker 1: you said. But I remember when Scott Morrison was there, mate,
[37:39] Speaker 1: it was pretty full on. It was pretty full on.
[37:41] Speaker 1: That's that. I'm not complaining about that because that's you know,
[37:44] Speaker 1: that's life. Just get on with it, yea.
[37:47] Speaker 2: Indeed, now, two things I want to quickly get to
[37:49] Speaker 2: before we go. Both of them pertain to travel. One
[37:52] Speaker 2: is Chris Bowen, who is currently overseas. Actually, I'm not
[37:56] Speaker 2: convinced off the worst thing in the world sending him
[37:58] Speaker 2: overseas more often because it means we have to deal
[38:00] Speaker 2: with him as much. But he's over on his cop business.
[38:03] Speaker 2: He's in Germany this week he's made it over to
[38:06] Speaker 2: Europe for summer the Lucky Bagger, but five hundred grand
[38:10] Speaker 2: the Department has spent on pre cop travel arrangements for
[38:15] Speaker 2: Bowen and his team. I mean, Matt, seriously, I'm not
[38:19] Speaker 2: sure why we're bothering with all of this given we
[38:21] Speaker 2: don't get to host it, and I thought we needed
[38:24] Speaker 2: to save fuel anyway.
[38:28] Speaker 1: Look, it's not the focus I think this tramp people
[38:29] Speaker 1: want their government to focused on. You've probably hit a
[38:36] Speaker 1: nail on the head there though that maybe we should
[38:38] Speaker 1: get it over with in a point Chris to some
[38:40] Speaker 1: kind of delegate spot.
[38:41] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[38:42] Speaker 1: He obviously wants that get him out of frontline politics,
[38:45] Speaker 1: because we just need some common sense and the energy
[38:47] Speaker 1: portfolio that we're sorely lacking. I mean, five or one
[38:50] Speaker 1: thousand bucks. If that's a cost to ship him off
[38:52] Speaker 1: shore and get a decent minister in there, probably might
[38:54] Speaker 1: be worth it, because these high energy prices are costing
[38:57] Speaker 1: his billions, literally are costing his billionsase I know, to
[39:00] Speaker 1: Rio Tinto, to all sorts of manufacturers, we're having to
[39:03] Speaker 1: bail them out to the Tuna billion. So yeah, look
[39:05] Speaker 1: it's it's it's at the heart. It's one of the
[39:08] Speaker 1: one of the main reasons where people are so frustrated
[39:10] Speaker 1: angry because they were promised by Chris Bowen the power
[39:12] Speaker 1: prices would fall, they haven't, and then insteady obscondes and
[39:16] Speaker 1: goes and travels around the world telling everyone what a
[39:18] Speaker 1: great guy is. Well, how about he focused on delivering
[39:21] Speaker 1: the promises he made to lower up people's energy prices.
[39:24] Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, I've only got thirty seconds, but you've been
[39:26] Speaker 2: spending a bit two three hundred grand I read in
[39:29] Speaker 2: the Herald Sun today the council spent in eighteen months
[39:31] Speaker 2: on travel very quickly, Nick, Well, what's all this about?
[39:35] Speaker 7: Yeah, so justically that's for the entire council over an
[39:38] Speaker 7: eighteen month period, I will.
[39:41] Speaker 2: You and yours did one hundred and forty six k.
[39:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[39:44] Speaker 7: So I did a business mission to China last year,
[39:47] Speaker 7: as I did a business.
[39:48] Speaker 6: Mission to India and Japan, and they are very successful.
[39:51] Speaker 7: COVID We'll landed over one thousand high tech jobs for Melbourne,
[39:55] Speaker 7: over three hundred million dollars of new investment. We've got
[39:58] Speaker 7: a new new Japanese move Ugi store opening in Melbourne
[40:01] Speaker 7: to be Trupy, a huge electronics business from China Boe
[40:06] Speaker 7: opening its office in Melbourne.
[40:08] Speaker 6: Rock Check toowe another headquarters.
[40:09] Speaker 7: BA think so really tangible outcomes of benefiting our city.
[40:14] Speaker 7: And I know there's a populist line you can run
[40:16] Speaker 7: here saying that politicians should never travel anywhere and we
[40:19] Speaker 7: should all just yeaheah.
[40:20] Speaker 2: I know.
[40:21] Speaker 6: The truth is we live in a big world.
[40:22] Speaker 2: You got I know we do have zoom. We've got
[40:25] Speaker 2: zoom now we we got zoom going during COVID. I'm
[40:28] Speaker 2: sorry just to run out of time, but we got zoom.
[40:31] Speaker 2: Matt Nick, good to see is always now One Nation.
[40:33] Speaker 2: As I was talking about, they cannot be stopped in
[40:35] Speaker 2: the polls scene, even with questions over how song It's
[40:38] Speaker 2: policy platform is. Pauline Hanson will address all of that
[40:41] Speaker 2: on the other side of this Welcome back to the program.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Caleb Bond in for paul and the man Cave for
[40:50] Speaker 2: the rest of the week. Pauline Hanson, of course, is
[40:53] Speaker 2: the woman of the hour and she joins me. Now, Pauline,
[40:57] Speaker 2: you must be pleased. Yet another poll, the third major
[41:01] Speaker 2: poll Now News poll that has your party One Nation
[41:06] Speaker 2: as the most popular in the country with primary root
[41:09] Speaker 2: of course, one of the other ones was the Sky
[41:10] Speaker 2: and News you GAV Pulse poll which we revealed last week.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Redbridge too. Where are you going from here now? Because
[41:19] Speaker 2: there's been all this talk that maybe you'd make a
[41:21] Speaker 2: run for the Lower House, maybe you want to be
[41:24] Speaker 2: Prime Minister. I mean you're looking at numbers like this,
[41:27] Speaker 2: it's not impossible.
[41:31] Speaker 5: Look alim. It's very encouraging.
[41:33] Speaker 9: But as I've said also, polls come and go and
[41:36] Speaker 9: can be like a stock exchanger, up one day, down
[41:39] Speaker 9: the next. It means just getting out there, putting our
[41:42] Speaker 9: policies forward to the people before the next election, and
[41:45] Speaker 9: keep talking to the Australian people.
[41:48] Speaker 5: I know they're very dissatisfied.
[41:50] Speaker 9: I've been out all weekend talking to people and nothing's changed.
[41:55] Speaker 9: They're actually a lot more are so to scruntled, and
[42:00] Speaker 9: I'm fascinating. He's the younger ones that are coming across
[42:02] Speaker 9: now to one nation, the enthursdays and this port that
[42:05] Speaker 9: I'm getting from the younger ones. It's quite interesting to
[42:08] Speaker 9: see that happen. But Caleb, I'm not going to make
[42:12] Speaker 9: any decisions now at this point and what I'm going
[42:15] Speaker 9: to do with as far as the party, whether I'm
[42:16] Speaker 9: going to stand for the Senate or whether I'll stand
[42:18] Speaker 9: for a lower House seat.
[42:20] Speaker 2: It must be enticing though, the thought of going to
[42:23] Speaker 2: the lower House and becoming opposition leader at the least
[42:26] Speaker 2: on the numbers we look at, or potentially even Prime minister.
[42:30] Speaker 5: Look, it's very encouraging.
[42:31] Speaker 9: But as I move forward, you know, the whole thing
[42:34] Speaker 9: is not about pulling hands and what I want do.
[42:36] Speaker 9: I want to be oppositionally, to do on and be
[42:38] Speaker 9: prime and so what I've seen is I think I
[42:40] Speaker 9: have the ability to do it.
[42:42] Speaker 5: But anyway, what I have to.
[42:44] Speaker 9: Assess is as we move forward, more people coming into
[42:47] Speaker 9: the party. I'm being announcing some very credible candidates in
[42:50] Speaker 9: the next coming months. But Caleb, what I want to
[42:53] Speaker 9: do is make sure that we have the right person
[42:55] Speaker 9: in the right position to represent the people of Australia. Now,
[43:00] Speaker 9: whether it be me or whether it be someone else.
[43:02] Speaker 9: But I know that the encouragement is for me and
[43:05] Speaker 9: I get that all the time from the public. But
[43:08] Speaker 9: the main point that I want, Caleb, is what's right
[43:11] Speaker 9: for the country, what's right for the people. So I
[43:15] Speaker 9: just want you to understand that. One other people, I
[43:17] Speaker 9: understand it. I keep getting jobs about it, all right,
[43:20] Speaker 9: she's not up to the jobs, she doesn't have the
[43:24] Speaker 9: policies or you know, all this job and everything happening
[43:27] Speaker 9: to go up me I put that to one side.
[43:29] Speaker 9: I've been involved in politics for thirty years. All I
[43:32] Speaker 9: know is and the people know. What they know is
[43:35] Speaker 9: that what's happened to this country is not what people want.
[43:40] Speaker 9: There's fed up with the major political parties that lie
[43:43] Speaker 9: to them, tell them something and do another thing. We
[43:46] Speaker 9: have a crisis that's happening in the housing crisis, mass migration,
[43:50] Speaker 9: small businesses going under fifty thousand. We've lost industries, manufacturing
[43:55] Speaker 9: and the farming sector has been badly affected. And we're
[43:57] Speaker 9: losing the farming sector as well, let alone what's happening
[44:00] Speaker 9: in the mining sector is also so we have to
[44:04] Speaker 9: keep pushing forward to explain to people our policies why
[44:08] Speaker 9: they should vote for one nation.
[44:10] Speaker 2: Will you talk about policies their senator? Of course, last
[44:13] Speaker 2: week Barnaby Joyce was talking to Andrew Bolton and had
[44:17] Speaker 2: to clarify comments that he made about some of your
[44:20] Speaker 2: housing policies. I think we could probably fairly say that
[44:22] Speaker 2: it wasn't mister Joyce's finest moment. Friday morning, Sean Bell,
[44:27] Speaker 2: one of your new South Wales senators, was on two
[44:29] Speaker 2: GB with Mark Levy and he was pressed for detail
[44:33] Speaker 2: on that policy that he couldn't provide as well. I mean,
[44:36] Speaker 2: are you concerned that maybe the strength of these policies
[44:40] Speaker 2: is not there yet?
[44:42] Speaker 9: No, they definitely are there, because I've spoken about there
[44:45] Speaker 9: some Flora parliment myself in a speech that I did
[44:47] Speaker 9: on the Flora Parliament about foreign investment in our housing.
[44:51] Speaker 9: You know, Barnaby Joyce was clearly confused over it and
[44:54] Speaker 9: he went and found the information. He came back. I
[44:57] Speaker 9: tagged my hat off to him. He could have just
[44:59] Speaker 9: let it go. He didn't. He wanted to clarify the matter.
[45:02] Speaker 9: Now Sean Bell, I was surprised by that because he's
[45:06] Speaker 9: pretty much over and he's worked in my office for
[45:08] Speaker 9: nine years, so you know that was something a mistake
[45:12] Speaker 9: on his part. But we clearly have a policy. There's
[45:15] Speaker 9: no doubt about it whatsoever. It was how it was
[45:17] Speaker 9: delivered by both Barnaby and Sean Bell, but it was
[45:20] Speaker 9: just a slight hitch there with Sean Bell.
[45:24] Speaker 2: If I get you to respond to comments that have
[45:25] Speaker 2: been made today in the nine newspapers by Andrew Hasty,
[45:30] Speaker 2: he's described you as maga first. To quot him, he says,
[45:34] Speaker 2: paul In Hanson's problem is that she's mega first, even
[45:37] Speaker 2: when the Australian people suffer the economic consequences. Now what
[45:40] Speaker 2: he's talking about there is, of course the war in Iran.
[45:44] Speaker 2: What do you say to mister Hasty calling you maga first,
[45:47] Speaker 2: I suggesting you're more interested in the interests of the
[45:50] Speaker 2: United States than Australia.
[45:52] Speaker 9: Oh, I thought he meant make Australia great again. I've
[45:55] Speaker 9: put that out of my hats one nation hat, so
[45:58] Speaker 9: I don't know what he was going. That's what I
[46:00] Speaker 9: was thinking. Of course, I do want to make Australia
[46:03] Speaker 9: great again, so I'm not going to back away from that.
[46:05] Speaker 5: Who wouldn't if you want to be a leader for
[46:07] Speaker 5: this nation.
[46:08] Speaker 9: It's all about the Australian people and making this country
[46:11] Speaker 9: absolutely fantastic again. And clearly his part is not being
[46:15] Speaker 9: accepted by the Australian people, which keep going down the polls.
[46:19] Speaker 5: So he still hasn't got it right, has he.
[46:21] Speaker 2: Well, it's a fair point. I also want to ask
[46:23] Speaker 2: you about the Ditch the Witch campaign that has been
[46:28] Speaker 2: run this weekend against Cinder Allen the Victorian Premiere. You
[46:32] Speaker 2: made comments earlier today that you know, suck it up,
[46:34] Speaker 2: get over it. And you have been in politics for
[46:37] Speaker 2: thirty years, Senator, and you've been attacked inside out every
[46:41] Speaker 2: day for YOX and you've dealt with it. It sort
[46:45] Speaker 2: of annoys me that the minute that a woman is
[46:47] Speaker 2: attacked in politics, we immediately go for the sexism line.
[46:51] Speaker 2: I mean, yes, which is a word that you would
[46:53] Speaker 2: only use for a woman. But there are plenty of
[46:55] Speaker 2: other words you could use specifically for men, and we
[46:58] Speaker 2: wouldn't be having that discussion if it was man. But
[47:01] Speaker 2: somehow it's a woman and we go, oh, well, it
[47:03] Speaker 2: must be sex and stuff. I don't think it is.
[47:05] Speaker 9: Sexist or misogynistic, you know, pick take your pick, or
[47:09] Speaker 9: poor women how they're treated all the rest of it. Well,
[47:11] Speaker 9: I tell you what, some women can really dish it
[47:13] Speaker 9: out as well. And I feel sorry for the people
[47:16] Speaker 9: of Victoria, and that's how they feel about Jessinda Allen
[47:18] Speaker 9: because of what she's done to that state. Escalating crime,
[47:21] Speaker 9: gangs on the street, machete's that's happening, house has been
[47:25] Speaker 9: broken and card's been stolen, and then you have the
[47:28] Speaker 9: farming sector up in arms, barricading their properties to stop
[47:32] Speaker 9: their people coming in to put transmission lines. It's an
[47:35] Speaker 9: absolute basket case down there, let alone the dead for
[47:38] Speaker 9: one hundred and ninety billion plus dollars, and then you
[47:41] Speaker 9: have the corruption, no wonder. They call her a witch
[47:43] Speaker 9: probably you know, stronger words might be used for her,
[47:46] Speaker 9: but they feel the sooner she's gone the better. So dissenter,
[47:50] Speaker 9: you know, you know it's the shoe fits them, were it?
[47:54] Speaker 9: Because you've destroyed that state?
[47:56] Speaker 3: Yes?
[47:56] Speaker 2: And Daniel Andrews as well, and there's probably other words
[47:58] Speaker 2: we could use for him too. Paul Hanson, great to
[48:00] Speaker 2: see you as always.
[48:02] Speaker 5: Thanks Caleb.
[48:03] Speaker 2: All right, coming up after the break, the late Debate
[48:06] Speaker 2: not too far away, and I'll have my final thought
[48:08] Speaker 2: before we go. Don't go away. The Soccer World Cup
[48:15] Speaker 2: kicks off this week, or football, I suppose before all
[48:17] Speaker 2: you soccer people, football people come for me. But the
[48:20] Speaker 2: reporters have been told to brighton up a bit. They've
[48:24] Speaker 2: had a memo sent out that says media members in
[48:27] Speaker 2: the press box at the World Cup and press tribune
[48:30] Speaker 2: must conduct themselves in a professional and respectful manner at
[48:33] Speaker 2: all times. Cheering, yelling, screaming, jumping, or obscene language is
[48:37] Speaker 2: not permitted in the press box, and media members must
[48:39] Speaker 2: not wear any gear, jerseys or hats in support of
[48:43] Speaker 2: any team. So the Aussies apparently have been in trouble
[48:46] Speaker 2: for wearing socceruski. Come on, surely you can support your country.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Is the late debate

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