# Paul Murray Live | 24 September

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 24 Sep 2026, 49 min.

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If only Aussies could realise how brilliant our award-winning prime minister is, lying Labor is the party of broken promises. Plus, scientists issue warning over El Niño forecast. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. Love you too. Now,
[0:08] Speaker 1: let us get into a very big show tonight. Of course,
[0:12] Speaker 1: the news that we just must, because we are loyal
[0:15] Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister on this program, before we get
[0:17] Speaker 1: to anything else, congratulations, the Prime Minister has won an
[0:21] Speaker 1: award as a Global Citizen.
[0:24] Speaker 2: Recipient of the 2026 Atlantic Council Citizen Award, the White
[0:27] Speaker 2: Honourable Anthony Agnesi.
[0:28] Speaker 3: Please make a note.
[0:58] Speaker 1: Hey, and keep it going for the Prime Minister because
[1:00] Speaker 1: unemployment has hit a five-year high. Well done, sir. APPLAUSE
[1:26] Speaker 1: I mean, this is emotional, right? He also has been
[1:29] Speaker 1: awarded because Australians are scrambling for a second job to
[1:33] Speaker 1: help pay rising mortgage repayments and the cost of living.
[1:37] Speaker 1: Well done, sir. Well done.
[1:39] Speaker 4: APPLAUSE I mean.
[1:52] Speaker 1: Two-thirds of Victorians are apparently having difficulties right now working
[1:55] Speaker 1: out whether they spend their money on food or on
[1:59] Speaker 1: heating or on cooling. Well done, sir. Well done. And
[2:08] Speaker 1: a record number of kids are staying at home for longer.
[2:11] Speaker 2: Than ever before.
[2:12] Speaker 1: Sir, we salute you. I mean, global citizen, right?
[2:20] Speaker 2: I mean.
[2:22] Speaker 1: Can we make him the Australian of the Year every year?
[2:25] Speaker 1: Because everything's going so well. Now, about this little award.
[2:32] Speaker 1: You know when you get an invitation to a wedding
[2:34] Speaker 1: and you might have something on, but you cancel it
[2:36] Speaker 1: because wedding, you know, once in a lifetime, right? Maybe twice,
[2:38] Speaker 1: maybe three times, who knows? They don't always work out,
[2:40] Speaker 1: but you've got to go, right? And when it comes
[2:43] Speaker 1: to an award like this, an International Citizens Award, I mean,
[2:47] Speaker 1: Surely this is given out by the President of the
[2:48] Speaker 1: United States or the, you know, the King of England.
[2:51] Speaker 1: So surely that would be like the reason to cancel
[2:54] Speaker 1: all your plans and go above everything else. Well, sort of,
[3:03] Speaker 1: sort of. Now, yes, he is a global citizen, okay?
[3:06] Speaker 1: A global citizen who is just doing incredible things for,
[3:09] Speaker 1: you know, What's the world? $ 7 billion minus Australia's $ 28 million, okay,
[3:16] Speaker 1: for $ 6, 900, 000. Roughly, okay. So there's more people who don't
[3:19] Speaker 1: live in Australia than in Australia, right? So presumably because
[3:22] Speaker 1: no one in Australia would vote for this, that's why
[3:25] Speaker 1: he got the award. And, I mean, have a look
[3:27] Speaker 1: at the smiling faces there. He was amongst just the
[3:30] Speaker 1: best possible of company, right? There's John Wick. uh second
[3:34] Speaker 1: row third in um so this was a united nations
[3:38] Speaker 1: award right i mean again why would you want to
[3:41] Speaker 1: dress up in a you know tuxedo with the bow
[3:43] Speaker 1: tie right when a time when literally three million people
[3:46] Speaker 1: won't be able to feed themselves properly this week in
[3:49] Speaker 1: australia it's a un award right no it was from
[3:53] Speaker 1: a thing called the atlantic council now before we start
[3:57] Speaker 1: saying hang on hang on paul paul paul paul paul
[4:00] Speaker 1: The Atlantic Council. How dare you not approve of this
[4:03] Speaker 1: as the most important event in the world anywhere today?
[4:07] Speaker 1: Can I read from their website? The Atlantic Council promotes
[4:10] Speaker 1: constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the
[4:15] Speaker 1: Atlantic community's central role in meeting global challenges. Well, okay.
[4:22] Speaker 1: So this is a UN thing, right? Again, no. The
[4:26] Speaker 1: Atlantic Council, through its papers it publishes, the ideas it generates,
[4:30] Speaker 1: the future leaders it develops and the communities it builds,
[4:35] Speaker 1: shapes the policy choices and strategies to create a more free,
[4:39] Speaker 1: secure and prosperous world. Also, it's not even a government thing.
[4:43] Speaker 1: It's a think tank. The Global Citizenship Award that has
[4:47] Speaker 1: been handed out to the Prime Minister that was worth...
[4:50] Speaker 1: Rubbing the average Australian knows his face is right in
[4:53] Speaker 1: it because, you know, you can't have an investment property,
[4:55] Speaker 1: but I can have an investment property. In fact, I
[4:57] Speaker 1: can have lots of them and then I can sell
[4:58] Speaker 1: them all and then I can retire to the mansion
[5:01] Speaker 1: on the hill on the central coast. Nothing to see here.
[5:03] Speaker 2: One of us.
[5:05] Speaker 1: Now, okay, right. So it's not a once in a
[5:08] Speaker 1: lifetime thing. It's not the UN. It's a think tank
[5:11] Speaker 1: that invited John Wick to be one of the presenters.
[5:14] Speaker 1: And I like Keanu Reeves, but I don't know if
[5:17] Speaker 1: I'd choose him over the optics of the Australian people.
[5:20] Speaker 1: So who got these awards along with the Prime Minister? Well, OK,
[5:24] Speaker 1: there's the President of the Republic of Finland. OK, so
[5:28] Speaker 1: it's for political leaders, right? People running countries. Oh, no.
[5:33] Speaker 1: The other person who won was the CEO of Formula One.
[5:39] Speaker 1: So Global Citizenship Award also went to the President and
[5:43] Speaker 1: CEO of Formula One. OK, OK, so... So, okay, all right.
[5:48] Speaker 1: He's sort of a global leader. It's a global sport, right? Okay,
[5:52] Speaker 1: who's the fourth one? Who's that? Cynthia Erivo.
[5:58] Speaker 5: Cynthia Erivo.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Does she run a country?
[6:02] Speaker 2: No.
[6:03] Speaker 1: Where do I remember her from? Oh, that's right. She's
[6:07] Speaker 1: Alphabet from the movie Wicked. The Prime Minister, global award.
[6:14] Speaker 1: was given out to the bloke who runs Formula One
[6:18] Speaker 1: and the lady from the Wicked movie. Now, of course,
[6:23] Speaker 1: the press in Australia are always respectful to the Prime Minister.
[6:26] Speaker 1: I mean, do not, do not be sarcastic about this.
[6:30] Speaker 1: It's a massive thing, right? Movie stars, I mean, again,
[6:34] Speaker 1: cost a living. Who cares, right? Unemployment, five-year high, by the.
[6:37] Speaker 6: Way, today. Again, who cares about what's happening when it
[6:42] Speaker 6: comes to people and particularly Victorians when their groceries, whatever,
[6:45] Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. So, yeah, on the behalf of the
[6:49] Speaker 6: 28 million people who actually live in this country and
[6:51] Speaker 6: live under the consequences of this bloke's leadership, I think
[6:55] Speaker 6: the Sheila from Wicked sung it best.
[7:09] Speaker 1: I really like that movie, though. If only his poll
[7:12] Speaker 1: numbers could defy gravity like that movie did. Now, a
[7:20] Speaker 1: bit more news on the award-winning Prime Minister, which is,
[7:23] Speaker 1: as you know, this Prime Minister, apart from making every
[7:26] Speaker 1: decision correctly, he's never told a lie.
[7:29] Speaker 5: My word is my bond.
[7:32] Speaker 1: Apart from when he did. Can you rule out any
[7:36] Speaker 1: changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax?
[7:38] Speaker 2: Yes.
[7:39] Speaker 1: How hard is it for the 50th time? But then
[7:42] Speaker 1: he didn't lie, apparently.
[7:46] Speaker 5: This is a change in our policy.
[7:47] Speaker 1: We have changed our position. We're changing our position. I mean,
[7:52] Speaker 1: and again, the haters want to pretend that, you know,
[7:54] Speaker 1: during the last election he fell off a stage, but
[7:57] Speaker 1: come on, there's no proof that that happened. I stepped
[8:00] Speaker 1: back one step. I didn't fall off the stage. Just
[8:04] Speaker 1: one leg went down, but I was sweet. So, of course,
[8:09] Speaker 1: the social media, big tech war that this government is
[8:12] Speaker 1: trying to fight, thinking that it's going to somehow deliver
[8:16] Speaker 1: us from the evils of the internet that supposedly they
[8:18] Speaker 1: already saved all of the kids from last year. Now, remember...
[8:21] Speaker 1: The digital duty of care, which involves a specific power
[8:25] Speaker 1: for the minister to be able to strike something off
[8:27] Speaker 1: the internet if she personally decides that it is harmful,
[8:31] Speaker 1: is definitely not about misinformation.
[8:36] Speaker 7: No, this isn't about misinformation. This is about basic safety
[8:39] Speaker 7: standards that Australians should expect from an industry that is
[8:43] Speaker 7: selling them and their children products.
[8:45] Speaker 1: I mean, the Prime Minister wouldn't say that, would he?
[8:48] Speaker 1: Because that would be the exact opposite of what they've
[8:50] Speaker 1: been telling us since introducing this piece of legislation that
[8:53] Speaker 1: no-one but the Greens will support.
[8:57] Speaker 8: The truth is this is having an impact on our
[8:59] Speaker 8: entire society and how it functions, with misinformation, disinformation, with
[9:05] Speaker 8: the increased polarisation that we're seeing as well in the
[9:09] Speaker 8: political system. where people are moving away from the centre
[9:14] Speaker 8: and more and more to the extremes, be they of
[9:16] Speaker 8: the left or the right.
[9:18] Speaker 1: But guess what? Apparently he didn't say that when he
[9:23] Speaker 1: was confronted about the obvious contradictions in the stated reasons
[9:27] Speaker 1: for the legislation that inside it has a big red
[9:30] Speaker 1: button for Annika Wells to be able to disappear whatever
[9:33] Speaker 1: she doesn't like off the internet. What did he say again?
[9:40] Speaker 5: I didn't link the two yesterday.
[9:44] Speaker 1: Silly us. We only saw what you said and played
[9:48] Speaker 1: it to everyone. Meantime, there is a question that is
[9:53] Speaker 1: a relentless question that I wish the media could work
[9:55] Speaker 1: out how to ask the Minister, which is, please explain...
[10:00] Speaker 1: why you deserve the power to decide what should live
[10:05] Speaker 1: or die on the internet. Now, in the legislation... that
[10:09] Speaker 1: I've previously said before, I think the majority of Australians
[10:11] Speaker 1: would have no real problem with, which is there's a
[10:15] Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff that's listed, right? You can't show
[10:17] Speaker 1: how to use drugs, how to build a bomb, nothing
[10:20] Speaker 1: about anorexia, these sorts of things. This is all common sense, right?
[10:26] Speaker 1: So all of that has been listed. The parliament will
[10:28] Speaker 1: debate it and then vote on that power, okay? But
[10:31] Speaker 1: then there's the asterisk at the bottom, which is the
[10:33] Speaker 1: minister has the power to nuke whatever she wants, right?
[10:36] Speaker 1: Look what happens when someone kinder gets near that question
[10:39] Speaker 1: about the clear distinction, the hole in the Death Star
[10:44] Speaker 1: of this policy. What does she do?
[10:46] Speaker 9: According to News24 polling, almost half of Australians are uncomfortable
[10:51] Speaker 9: with you having the power to determine additional categories of
[10:54] Speaker 9: harmful content, rising to 63% among 18 to 24-year-olds. Why
[10:59] Speaker 9: should Australians trust a politician... to decide what constitutes harm
[11:03] Speaker 9: online when so many voters clearly don't want you to
[11:06] Speaker 9: have that power? Will you consider removing it from the
[11:08] Speaker 9: digital duty of care?
[11:10] Speaker 7: Harry, I was heartened that that same News 24 polling
[11:12] Speaker 7: that you're referring to showed that 70% of Australians support
[11:16] Speaker 7: and want a digital duty of care to be introduced.
[11:20] Speaker 1: The polling, because remember, I stood all the way over
[11:23] Speaker 1: there in front of that big screen and I showed you,
[11:27] Speaker 1: did show that there was, about 70%, general support for
[11:33] Speaker 1: the legislation. However, inside of that number was a very
[11:39] Speaker 1: big chunk of people who have a specific problem with
[11:41] Speaker 1: what I have just said how many times about the
[11:43] Speaker 1: minister's power. But because she thinks, well, that's just News
[11:47] Speaker 1: 24 polling, no-one's going to pay attention to that, she
[11:50] Speaker 1: just doesn't engage with the question. To any and everyone
[11:52] Speaker 1: who gets a chance to ask Annika Wells any questions,
[11:55] Speaker 1: here's the first question. Minister, why do you need the power...
[11:59] Speaker 1: to personally decide what gets nuked from the internet. She
[12:03] Speaker 1: changes the subject. No, no, I understand about the duty
[12:05] Speaker 1: of care, but inside it, the legislation says you, the minister,
[12:09] Speaker 1: has the individual power. Don't have to check with anyone.
[12:11] Speaker 1: Don't have to check with the parliament. You yourself can
[12:14] Speaker 1: deem something to be harmful. Why do we need that?
[12:17] Speaker 1: Does she offer an answer? Probably not. When she again
[12:20] Speaker 1: refuses to answer, you ask the question again. Sorry, one
[12:23] Speaker 1: more time, Minister. Could you please explain why do we
[12:26] Speaker 1: need the specific power to give you the specific power
[12:30] Speaker 1: to nuke what you consider harmful off the internet? To
[12:34] Speaker 1: quote someone else, please explain. See what happens. But of course,
[12:37] Speaker 1: change the subject. I'm off to the grand final because
[12:40] Speaker 1: I'm the Spice Manistar. Now, to climate change. El Nino,
[12:46] Speaker 1: which is the super dry, super hot version of weather systems,
[12:50] Speaker 1: is about to move its way through Australia. It is
[12:53] Speaker 1: going to be what we understand to be a bloody
[12:55] Speaker 1: hot summer, right? So, yes, there's going to be bushfires,
[12:58] Speaker 1: all the rest of it, and how significant they are,
[13:01] Speaker 1: worth talking about. And often when it comes to climate change,
[13:03] Speaker 1: there's all sorts of predictions. But as you can see
[13:05] Speaker 1: on your screen, somebody's being very specific about what they
[13:09] Speaker 1: think is going to happen, not in the next 30 years,
[13:11] Speaker 1: in the next six months. The Climate Impact Lab has
[13:16] Speaker 1: put together a map of the world. The redder the colour,
[13:18] Speaker 1: the more people are apparently going to die between September
[13:22] Speaker 1: 2026 to February 2027. Now, apparently this will be compared
[13:24] Speaker 1: back to 1996 to 2025. But they have locked this in.
[13:33] Speaker 1: How many more people will die between now and February?
[13:39] Speaker 1: According to the suggestions here, Nigeria will be 31,000 people,
[13:43] Speaker 1: Indonesia 19,000. You can see they're football stadiums of people,
[13:47] Speaker 1: and I have never hoped for a report to be
[13:49] Speaker 1: more wrong in my entire life. But let's see how
[13:52] Speaker 1: specific we can be, just to check whether they're right
[13:54] Speaker 1: or wrong, about Australia. Now, it doesn't matter if you
[13:59] Speaker 1: click on any state in Australia, you get the same
[14:00] Speaker 1: response here. that there will be 260 additional heat deaths
[14:05] Speaker 1: in Australia. That will happen between, what's the period? September
[14:09] Speaker 1: of this year to February of next year. Not total 260,
[14:13] Speaker 1: but 260 extra ones. Now, what is fascinating about this
[14:18] Speaker 1: is there is an awful lot of conjecture about how
[14:20] Speaker 1: much data is actually collected about whether excess deaths are
[14:24] Speaker 1: linked to extreme heat or extreme cold. Let's see whether
[14:28] Speaker 1: we know, but we have a measurement now to go
[14:30] Speaker 1: off and check. I have never hoped that a report
[14:33] Speaker 1: is more wrong in our life. But if it is
[14:37] Speaker 1: going to be a super hot and hard summer, please
[14:39] Speaker 1: prepare in every way possible. And obviously, for those who
[14:43] Speaker 1: may need the comfort of an air conditioner or a fan,
[14:46] Speaker 1: that's obviously going to cost a lot of money. But
[14:48] Speaker 1: of course, we're not allowed to talk about that, right,
[14:50] Speaker 1: because we're fixing all the greenhouse gases from China. Global
[14:54] Speaker 1: Citizen Award, anyone? to the Victorian Premier, Ben Carroll, of course,
[14:59] Speaker 1: fighting for his political life. Why? Because even after, weeks
[15:02] Speaker 1: after getting rid of Jacinta Allen... He apparently remains, quote,
[15:05] Speaker 1: deeply unpopular. The expectation is, according to this pollster, that
[15:10] Speaker 1: Labor loses in Victoria. It'll either be, most likely, the
[15:13] Speaker 1: Libs who end up forming government, probably with a couple
[15:15] Speaker 1: of One Nation people to get them up and over
[15:16] Speaker 1: the line, but Labor would be gone. And Ben Carroll,
[15:19] Speaker 1: since becoming the Premier of Victoria, has done everything he
[15:23] Speaker 1: can to try to win a vote, including saying he's
[15:26] Speaker 1: not the people he used to work for.
[15:29] Speaker 3: I am not Daniel Andrews.
[15:32] Speaker 2: I am not.
[15:35] Speaker 1: And today he decided that the best way to get
[15:38] Speaker 1: to the Victorian people's heart was through their puppies. Apart
[15:42] Speaker 1: from announcing also that pubs will be able to stay
[15:44] Speaker 1: open later, perhaps as late as 3am in some places,
[15:49] Speaker 1: he also announced that you can bring your dog to
[15:51] Speaker 1: the pub.
[15:53] Speaker 6: We are now going to allow our pubs to allow
[15:58] Speaker 6: pets such as dogs.
[16:01] Speaker 1: Excellent. What about my emotional support kangaroo? Can I bring
[16:05] Speaker 1: that in as well? Now, of course, I have joined
[16:08] Speaker 1: the puppy owner ranks this year. So now I understand.
[16:11] Speaker 1: I previously, previously was not quite aware why everyone has
[16:14] Speaker 1: to bring their dog everywhere. Certainly my yappy little dashy,
[16:17] Speaker 1: I would understand. It'd be nice every now and then
[16:19] Speaker 1: to bring him somewhere. But you reckon that's going to
[16:21] Speaker 1: be enough for everyone to look the other way about
[16:24] Speaker 1: the reality of life in Victoria? Because today, how's this?
[16:28] Speaker 1: The total number of shoplifting, offences which have taken place
[16:31] Speaker 1: in Victoria, it's through the roof, through the roof. We're
[16:35] Speaker 1: talking about like an extra 46,000 cases of it. Now again,
[16:40] Speaker 1: packet of PK might be something small, but we all
[16:43] Speaker 1: know it's never just a packet of PK, which is
[16:46] Speaker 1: chewing gum from last century that they still sell. I
[16:48] Speaker 1: quite liked the mint flavour from way back when. Here
[16:51] Speaker 1: is the opposition leader and potential premier responding to the
[16:54] Speaker 1: real issue today.
[16:56] Speaker 10: Crime remains at an unacceptable level in this state. Over
[16:59] Speaker 10: the past four years of this Labor government, we have
[17:02] Speaker 10: seen crime rates increase by 30%. The number of victims
[17:07] Speaker 10: in crime in this state is unacceptable. But in November
[17:10] Speaker 10: this year, Victorians will have an opportunity to change the
[17:13] Speaker 10: direction of Victoria.
[17:15] Speaker 1: The sun is coming up in Washington, D.C. at the
[17:18] Speaker 1: start of their Thursday. We've already had it. I can
[17:20] Speaker 1: report back. It's an OK day. It's fine. Hope it
[17:22] Speaker 1: goes well for you. But there is going to be
[17:25] Speaker 1: a very big event, and it's not Albo getting an award. OK,
[17:34] Speaker 1: one time too many, but still. It's going to be
[17:37] Speaker 1: the meeting between the leaders of China and the United States.
[17:41] Speaker 1: President Xi is currently in Washington. He will meet with
[17:45] Speaker 1: President Trump after President Trump met him and his wife
[17:49] Speaker 1: as they arrived at Andrews Air Force Base in Washington. Now,
[17:54] Speaker 1: I've got to say, as a person who's well and truly,
[17:56] Speaker 1: you know, I'm aware of the Trump train, on the
[17:57] Speaker 1: Trump train, still got the red hat and the I
[17:59] Speaker 1: Can Speak ban and all the rest of it, right?
[18:00] Speaker 1: And I'd certainly take him over Kamala still. This is
[18:04] Speaker 1: a slightly different version of Donald Trump than the one
[18:06] Speaker 1: that a lot of us, myself included, kind of cheered
[18:10] Speaker 1: on because... I kind of know the difference between the
[18:12] Speaker 1: free country that is the United States and then the
[18:15] Speaker 1: obviously not version of China. And remember, one of the
[18:18] Speaker 1: ways that Donald Trump used to stand out was his
[18:20] Speaker 1: way of speaking about the alternative way of running the world.
[18:25] Speaker 1: I've been saying China. China. China. China.
[18:28] Speaker 2: China.
[18:29] Speaker 1: Now, he's also said that, you know, they are the
[18:32] Speaker 1: front-on problem when it comes to AI. We've got to
[18:34] Speaker 1: fight them. We've got to take them on. All of
[18:37] Speaker 1: the military's about this stuff. Well, now he's talking about partnership.
[18:41] Speaker 1: America and China have agreed to extend their fragile trade
[18:45] Speaker 1: truce until January, with the temporary reprieve coming as Xi
[18:48] Speaker 1: Jinping declared both nations should be partners, not rivals. Oh, yeah,
[18:52] Speaker 1: because that's how it works, isn't it? Let's work together,
[18:54] Speaker 1: but I win, right? All of it happens in the
[18:57] Speaker 1: middle of the night. You will see all of the
[18:58] Speaker 1: detail tomorrow morning when you wake here at News 24.
[19:04] Speaker 1: In a moment or two, we will discuss the problem
[19:07] Speaker 1: of kids that are sticking around too long at home.
[19:09] Speaker 1: We will get to all of that in a moment
[19:10] Speaker 1: or two's time. The winner and loser of the week.
[19:14] Speaker 1: And a look back at that intergenerational report with a
[19:16] Speaker 1: bloke who has a similar view to you, me and
[19:18] Speaker 1: Joe Hockey, that you can't keep racking up debt. Plus,
[19:22] Speaker 1: we'll have a good chat to one of Angry Anderson's
[19:24] Speaker 1: mates before we're done. Just getting started on the Prime
[19:28] Speaker 1: Ministerial award-winning recognition program, Paul Murray Live. Oh, and the
[19:36] Speaker 1: man cat right now is the award-winning mate of the
[19:38] Speaker 1: award-winning person, Hilda Brandon. No doubt she's won plenty of
[19:42] Speaker 1: awards in her time too. Lisa Goddard from Redoni Media,
[19:44] Speaker 1: lovely to see you.
[19:44] Speaker 5: Always nice to be here. And what a night, Joe.
[19:47] Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to be here. Fantastic. Thank you very much.
[19:49] Speaker 2: I'd like to thank my mother. I'd like to thank God.
[19:51] Speaker 1: Before our dear friend Joe, who must be going, the
[19:54] Speaker 1: pay's not that good to turn up for this every week, right?
[19:57] Speaker 1: Before we get to watch a mate of ours dig up.
[19:59] Speaker 1: I mean, it's fun to watch it at a bar.
[20:01] Speaker 1: You get to watch it on the telly.
[20:03] Speaker 7: Lisa.
[20:04] Speaker 1: What did that look like today to the Australian people?
[20:07] Speaker 5: Like a man who's just a little out of touch
[20:09] Speaker 5: with this country, just a little bit out of touch
[20:11] Speaker 5: with the average person out there. Do you know what
[20:13] Speaker 5: I think, though? Most people would think, you know what,
[20:16] Speaker 5: let's give him the Lifetime Global Citizen Award and let's
[20:19] Speaker 5: send him on his way and maybe you can take
[20:21] Speaker 5: Chris Bowen with you.
[20:22] Speaker 1: Correct. Look, again, as I sort of was clearly taking
[20:26] Speaker 1: the piss earlier, I understand if it's the UN and
[20:29] Speaker 1: it's kind of a hefty Once in a lifetime thing, right?
[20:33] Speaker 1: If it's a special medal pinned upon you by a
[20:34] Speaker 1: president of the United States, again, I get the bad
[20:37] Speaker 1: look of it. But when it's an award from a
[20:38] Speaker 1: think tank that they also gave to the boss of
[20:41] Speaker 1: Formula One, an alphabet from the Wicked movie, I wouldn't
[20:45] Speaker 1: say it's that urgent to turn up in the tux
[20:47] Speaker 1: and the old school 70s bow tie.
[20:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, all the sartorial choices themselves.
[20:53] Speaker 1: This was a form of GQ, man.
[20:54] Speaker 2: Outstanding, that's right. I think, look, he was in.
[20:57] Speaker 4: He had to go to the UN anyway to try
[20:59] Speaker 4: and get our spot on the Security Council. He's in
[21:01] Speaker 4: New York. They've offered him the award. It's sort of
[21:03] Speaker 4: rude not to, but... I completely agree. It is just
[21:07] Speaker 4: an awful look. Like, I think he sort of.
[21:08] Speaker 2: Had to go.
[21:10] Speaker 5: Did he really have to go?
[21:12] Speaker 1: But even then, turn.
[21:14] Speaker 2: It down a little.
[21:16] Speaker 4: I mean, I do obviously think, or know, shall we say,
[21:20] Speaker 4: that the PM and Labor are in a world of
[21:22] Speaker 4: pain right now. I think there is an element of...
[21:26] Speaker 4: self-denial in the government, not the sort of self-denial they
[21:29] Speaker 4: should have by putting a hair shirt on and flogging
[21:33] Speaker 4: themselves in a public display of sorrow.
[21:36] Speaker 1: We're not on the diet days, but the wobble has begun.
[21:41] Speaker 4: If it was not for the fact that One Nation
[21:44] Speaker 4: was eating the coalition alive, Labor would not win the
[21:49] Speaker 4: next election. But thanks to the right cannibalising itself, they
[21:52] Speaker 4: still probably will.
[21:53] Speaker 10: What?
[21:54] Speaker 1: Look, I know there'll be consequences for that analysis, but
[21:57] Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty, right? Which is, one thing that
[22:00] Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated to see how it plays out, right?
[22:02] Speaker 1: And again, there are those of us who watch it
[22:03] Speaker 1: every single day and sometimes we maybe think that the
[22:06] Speaker 1: good day is a little better than it might have
[22:07] Speaker 1: been and the bad day is a little worse. But
[22:09] Speaker 1: eventually you start to put things together. And again, there's
[22:12] Speaker 1: the majority of the country that doesn't pay attention because
[22:14] Speaker 1: they've got other stuff to do, right? But that other
[22:16] Speaker 1: stuff to do is 15 interest rate rises. That other
[22:19] Speaker 1: stuff to do is unemployment at a five-year high. That
[22:22] Speaker 1: other stuff to do is you name it And there's
[22:25] Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Now, yes, they can turn around
[22:27] Speaker 1: and say it's global, this, that and the other. But
[22:30] Speaker 1: at some point in time, you don't get that benefit
[22:32] Speaker 1: of the doubt. And the opposition, remember, they're one area
[22:35] Speaker 1: of any policy anywhere that they do better than everyone else.
[22:38] Speaker 1: It is the economy. So if the election becomes about
[22:42] Speaker 1: the economy, well, it'd be interesting to see whether that
[22:45] Speaker 1: changes their fortunes. Now, the difficulty, of course, and again,
[22:49] Speaker 1: this is where I'm in the spirit of annoying some
[22:55] Speaker 1: is the problem, of course, for the opposition is, can
[22:58] Speaker 1: you promise what you didn't deliver? Now, we saw with
[23:01] Speaker 1: Chris Minns in New South Wales as an example, right?
[23:04] Speaker 1: When the Keneally government got flushed years ago, basically every
[23:07] Speaker 1: backbencher went, every minister went, every almost-minister went, and Chris
[23:13] Speaker 1: Minns wasn't even a minister anymore. in the last Labor
[23:16] Speaker 1: government so that you couldn't run any of the, this
[23:18] Speaker 1: is the ghost of the governments you don't like stuff, right?
[23:22] Speaker 1: So that is all the potential attacks that are on
[23:25] Speaker 1: their way. But, look, again, I know that I can
[23:28] Speaker 1: see it. I can see it. Monday night on the ABC,
[23:31] Speaker 1: you know, somehow that, you know, everyone making a big
[23:34] Speaker 1: deal out of this small, pissy little something, but sometimes
[23:36] Speaker 1: little symbols, little symbols crack through to the normal world,
[23:40] Speaker 1: like the bullshitting about the falling off the, They just
[23:44] Speaker 1: remember that, right? They remember little things like this, and
[23:47] Speaker 1: that's why I think it's just one of those ones
[23:49] Speaker 1: that will stick in, dare I say, FM radio world.
[23:52] Speaker 2: It's Joe Hockey and Matthias Cormann smoking cigars on 2014.
[23:55] Speaker 1: It's out of touch. Nothing wrong with it, not illegal.
[23:58] Speaker 1: It's out of touch.
[24:00] Speaker 5: That's what the optics are of this, and that was,
[24:02] Speaker 5: I think, a major mistake that he made.
[24:04] Speaker 1: So we can get into the timing of us all
[24:09] Speaker 1: being aware or when it was all... told to us
[24:13] Speaker 1: about this AI hack, right? And obviously the media, they
[24:17] Speaker 1: went very hard on this. This was sort of first,
[24:19] Speaker 1: second and third on most of the 6pm' s tonight.
[24:22] Speaker 8: A global tech giant kept our government in the dark
[24:25] Speaker 8: about a large-scale AI hack targeting Medicare.
[24:28] Speaker 1: An extraordinary AI breach of four government agencies by one
[24:32] Speaker 1: of America's biggest AI tech companies. Now, again, right, there's
[24:38] Speaker 1: the whole conversation about AI that inevitably is there and
[24:41] Speaker 1: has been had all day. But what I found a
[24:43] Speaker 1: little bit interesting about this is it's not the first
[24:45] Speaker 1: time anything in Australia has ever been hacked, right, including
[24:49] Speaker 1: the plans to the ASIO building, right, the Australian Parliament House.
[24:54] Speaker 1: But what happens when the hack could come from China?
[24:58] Speaker 1: We don't say it comes from China. We say it's
[25:00] Speaker 1: a state actor.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Instead.
[25:02] Speaker 1: Because the politics is running against big tech. Oh, we
[25:04] Speaker 1: named the company. We named the everything. We pointed at
[25:07] Speaker 1: the CEO. If that was China, Iran or North Korea,
[25:12] Speaker 1: we would not be pointing at a flag. But because
[25:15] Speaker 1: it is the big evil company that many have a
[25:18] Speaker 1: doubt about at the moment, I thought this was fascinating
[25:21] Speaker 1: framing today.
[25:23] Speaker 5: It fits the narrative, right? So he's over there pushing
[25:25] Speaker 5: hard on AI being a threat. And as you say,
[25:28] Speaker 5: the timing was absolutely perfect from a political strategy point
[25:31] Speaker 5: of view. because they've known about it for weeks, and
[25:34] Speaker 5: then the ministers were told a week ago, but as
[25:36] Speaker 5: the Australian public, we don't get the right to know
[25:39] Speaker 5: as soon as they know, where it would be any
[25:42] Speaker 5: other cyber breach, there is a responsibility there to report it.
[25:45] Speaker 5: So there's no transparency around this at all.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Well, so again, right, people have tried to hack lots
[25:52] Speaker 1: of times, lots of ways. Yes, this is a new
[25:55] Speaker 1: way where essentially, rather than somebody saying, I'm going to
[25:58] Speaker 1: pick that lock, the the computer's worked it out, bugger it,
[26:02] Speaker 1: I'll find a way to do it, even though I
[26:04] Speaker 1: haven't been asked.
[26:05] Speaker 3: To do it.
[26:06] Speaker 1: But again, it's a small difference, but it's one I
[26:09] Speaker 1: have to put on the table after hearing everyone say
[26:11] Speaker 1: one company over and over and over again. If it
[26:13] Speaker 1: was China, we wouldn't have named China. But if it's OpenAI,
[26:16] Speaker 1: we'll name OpenAI.
[26:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think what you're doing is naming the process.
[26:20] Speaker 4: You're naming the medium, not the message, if you like.
[26:22] Speaker 4: And the nature of diplomacy, the nature of trying to
[26:25] Speaker 4: avert war, be it trade war or the other kind,
[26:28] Speaker 4: a hot war, is to try to keep everything sweet
[26:31] Speaker 4: and not offend China because China is run by people
[26:36] Speaker 4: and people, unlike AI, have feelings and they get angry
[26:40] Speaker 4: and they get upset, if you name them. I think
[26:42] Speaker 4: you're very generous. And they respond in kind. And we've
[26:45] Speaker 4: seen the way that that happens. I think this, though,
[26:48] Speaker 4: is terrifying. I think AI is terrifying. I have been
[26:52] Speaker 4: sceptical about it from the very beginning. It is the Terminator.
[26:55] Speaker 4: We don't need Keanu Reeves over in the Waldorf Astoria
[26:59] Speaker 4: handing out awards.
[27:00] Speaker 2: We need Neo Wright here.
[27:02] Speaker 1: Fighting the Matrix. Yeah, the Matrix filmed in Australia. He
[27:07] Speaker 1: knows how to get back here, do it, and if
[27:09] Speaker 1: he wants to bring some John Wick sort of action
[27:11] Speaker 1: with him, good too. But I think there's an opportunity
[27:14] Speaker 1: here that I do think that the potential dangers of
[27:19] Speaker 1: AI can get to a state where you would almost,
[27:23] Speaker 1: almost be trying to reach out across party lines and
[27:26] Speaker 1: trying to not necessarily have a standing political committee and
[27:30] Speaker 1: not necessarily have a war cabinet on it, but I
[27:32] Speaker 1: want to see all the brains from all the sides
[27:35] Speaker 1: in a room trying to work out can a government
[27:39] Speaker 1: put bumpers on this stuff or is it already so
[27:42] Speaker 1: far inside the system? And if China's not going to
[27:45] Speaker 1: do anything and the US isn't going to do anything
[27:47] Speaker 1: and they're meeting tonight, what the hell are we doing?
[27:50] Speaker 5: But they haven't been able to put the bumpers, if
[27:51] Speaker 5: you like, around any sort of general cyber attack.
[27:54] Speaker 2: Correct.
[27:55] Speaker 5: So how on earth are they then going to counter
[27:57] Speaker 5: AI at a time when we're being asked to put
[28:00] Speaker 5: more and more of our information into... loosely called the
[28:03] Speaker 5: system so that's not being protected.
[28:06] Speaker 1: Have you have you now again some people may be
[28:09] Speaker 1: so across this and other people are going to go
[28:11] Speaker 1: sorry what are you talking about so i'm going to
[28:13] Speaker 1: try to educate while also assume a little bit of
[28:15] Speaker 1: knowledge here do either of you have ai agents have
[28:18] Speaker 1: any of you set up any of these things where
[28:20] Speaker 1: this sort of not secondary personality but there's a whole
[28:22] Speaker 1: bunch of people who basically have sort of this sort
[28:24] Speaker 1: of digital secretary, as the old term used to be called,
[28:27] Speaker 1: a digital executive assistant these days, I've been to HR training,
[28:31] Speaker 1: is that this lives in your life. I literally was
[28:34] Speaker 1: having dinner with people who were talking tonight about how
[28:36] Speaker 1: they have done this in their life. Have you introduced
[28:38] Speaker 1: this at all?
[28:38] Speaker 5: No, but I know a company that runs a HR
[28:40] Speaker 5: company and I would say 80% of their staff are
[28:43] Speaker 5: AI experts. agents wow so they're not they're not real
[28:49] Speaker 5: people and yet their their customers are online thinking that
[28:53] Speaker 5: they are speaking to a real person so that's how
[28:56] Speaker 5: far this has come.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Well they have names yes they do they.
[28:59] Speaker 5: Have names they have personalities like they all call.
[29:01] Speaker 1: Jason yeah correct um all right let's uh let's get
[29:06] Speaker 1: to um Joe, you remember way back when, when the
[29:11] Speaker 1: discussion in and around transition, renewable transition, seemed that the
[29:15] Speaker 1: resistance point was price, right? And remember you did polling
[29:19] Speaker 1: way back when and it was, you know, how much
[29:21] Speaker 1: are you willing to spend in order to save the world, right?
[29:23] Speaker 1: And unsurprisingly, people said, I will not spend $ 50, I
[29:26] Speaker 1: will not spend $ 100, I will not spend $ 200. Well,
[29:29] Speaker 1: of course, it's been thousands of dollars since. And again,
[29:33] Speaker 1: we learn today that Victorians are being forced to choose
[29:35] Speaker 1: between heating their homes... and putting food on their table
[29:39] Speaker 1: as energy costs pile pressure on household budgets. Two-thirds of Victorians,
[29:43] Speaker 1: according to the polling from news24. com. au, have been forced to
[29:48] Speaker 1: make these sacrifices because of energy costs. Now... Yeah... I
[29:53] Speaker 1: don't understand how this hasn't... The frustration is clear, the
[29:59] Speaker 1: resistance is clear, but the political consequence hasn't swung in yet.
[30:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a difficult... I've been thinking
[30:04] Speaker 4: about this a lot. It's a difference between the left
[30:07] Speaker 4: and the right more broadly, but also the left and
[30:09] Speaker 4: the right of the Labor Party in particular, which is
[30:12] Speaker 4: what I really care about and which is, I think,
[30:15] Speaker 4: where the problem lies, notwithstanding the fact that Chris Bowen
[30:18] Speaker 4: is a senior member of the right and in charge
[30:20] Speaker 4: of it. But you have a left wing for whom
[30:23] Speaker 4: climate action... is an article of faith.
[30:28] Speaker 5: Okay?
[30:28] Speaker 2: So you say.
[30:29] Speaker 4: What was religion is now climate. That's exactly right. So
[30:32] Speaker 4: I wrote years... Years ago, I wrote about likening it
[30:34] Speaker 4: to the Reformation.
[30:35] Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's just taken the place of God.
[30:36] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[30:37] Speaker 4: So you have this apocalyptic reckoning where if we do
[30:41] Speaker 4: not do absolutely everything, we are all.
[30:44] Speaker 2: Going to die.
[30:45] Speaker 4: Now, that is how... If you look at people going hungry, people...
[30:49] Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I've done that much work with
[30:51] Speaker 4: the Salvos, Vinnies, Food Bank about... You know, parents eating
[30:55] Speaker 4: out of bins so their kids can have a decent meal.
[30:58] Speaker 2: I mean, it's sickening. It's incredible.
[31:00] Speaker 4: But if you think that that's the price you have
[31:03] Speaker 4: to pay for the survival of.
[31:05] Speaker 2: The human race... You can rationalise.
[31:07] Speaker 4: You rationalise it. And, again, this is the problem where
[31:10] Speaker 4: you have a part of... politics, which is purely ideologically
[31:14] Speaker 4: driven or largely ideologically driven or a part of the
[31:16] Speaker 4: Labor Party even, and then the other part, which is
[31:18] Speaker 4: much more pragmatic and just says, right, what's working, what's not,
[31:21] Speaker 4: and what are the costs to the benefits we're supposedly getting,
[31:25] Speaker 4: that does not weigh up. But if you already have
[31:27] Speaker 4: this pre-existing ideology that says we must act, do everything
[31:30] Speaker 4: on climate change or we're all going to die and
[31:32] Speaker 4: that is my faith, that is my Jesus, if all
[31:36] Speaker 4: this evidence comes in front of you to say that's wrong,
[31:39] Speaker 4: it's not working, it's not worth it, You don't do that.
[31:42] Speaker 2: You say, well, that's all wrong then, because I know.
[31:45] Speaker 5: But there has to be a reckoning at the polls.
[31:47] Speaker 5: You've got six in ten Victorians who say energy policy
[31:51] Speaker 5: will drive the way that they vote at this upcoming election, right?
[31:54] Speaker 5: So they are the people, they're among the 36% who
[31:57] Speaker 5: aren't having hot showers or using less hot water because
[32:01] Speaker 5: of the cost of energy. They will drive this and
[32:03] Speaker 5: then the reckoning will come for the hard left.
[32:06] Speaker 1: But also.
[32:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, but will they learn it?
[32:08] Speaker 1: This is the stupid ideology.
[32:09] Speaker 2: And this is the problem.
[32:11] Speaker 4: Because this is why Labor is in for a world
[32:13] Speaker 4: of pain at the upcoming state election, right? But what
[32:15] Speaker 4: happens if the left just says, oh, no, it's all
[32:17] Speaker 4: because Pauline Hanson, it's all because the Murdoch press is
[32:20] Speaker 4: whipping up pain.
[32:20] Speaker 2: Oh, it's all because... Have you heard this one before?
[32:22] Speaker 4: The algorithm pushing anti-left-wing... But OK, but.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Conversely, right? But also, for those who think that.
[32:32] Speaker 1: The whole conversation around all of this is, you know,
[32:36] Speaker 1: sort of this house of cards that's absolutely going to
[32:38] Speaker 1: collapse in on itself and everyone will learn their lesson.
[32:40] Speaker 1: There's the other side of this too, right, which is
[32:42] Speaker 1: not about the article of faith but about saying, right?
[32:45] Speaker 1: So 15 years ago, we hadn't built a lot of
[32:49] Speaker 1: this stuff, right?
[32:49] Speaker 2: So.
[32:50] Speaker 1: The Chris Bowen argument, and believe me, I'm not trying
[32:53] Speaker 1: to avatar the dude, but still, would be they've built
[32:56] Speaker 1: a third of the Harbour Bridge already, right? So do
[32:58] Speaker 1: you just want to leave it a third built and
[33:00] Speaker 1: go back to, you know... You just call it art. Correct.
[33:04] Speaker 1: Well done. See, that's a lady who knows how to
[33:06] Speaker 1: get inside a comms room. I appreciate it. All right. Again,
[33:08] Speaker 1: another bit of information, and this one's been going for
[33:11] Speaker 1: some time, this study, actually, which is about the number
[33:14] Speaker 1: of kids that are staying at home. And we say
[33:16] Speaker 1: kids because we're talking about people that are between 18
[33:19] Speaker 1: to 29, and compared to the adults amongst us, that
[33:21] Speaker 1: would be.
[33:22] Speaker 2: Go to us. Yes, it is. Except for Lisa, of course. Correct.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Forever 21.
[33:25] Speaker 2: Forever 29.
[33:26] Speaker 1: All right. In 2001, 39.5% of that demographic were living
[33:30] Speaker 1: at home with their parents. It is now 40.
[33:32] Speaker 2: 9.9%.
[33:33] Speaker 1: Now, again, we can have the same conversation everyone's had
[33:39] Speaker 1: for the past six months about housing. I don't want
[33:41] Speaker 1: to have that conversation. I want to have the conversation
[33:44] Speaker 1: about the dynamic of the family when it works like this, right? Yep.
[33:50] Speaker 1: Which is, in other cultures and other places, basically sort
[33:53] Speaker 1: of the family compound is not really that weird an idea.
[33:56] Speaker 1: The idea of the older people in the family living
[33:58] Speaker 1: with the youngest, it's not... I don't know that it's
[34:00] Speaker 1: a cultural thing, but I'm saying is that I think
[34:02] Speaker 1: that a lot of parents have a deep frustration that
[34:06] Speaker 1: the kids don't have the same opportunities that you had,
[34:09] Speaker 1: but I also don't think that there is a massive
[34:12] Speaker 1: swathe of parents that really want to boot the kids
[34:14] Speaker 1: out like perhaps our parents did. Did you not go willingly? Mate,
[34:18] Speaker 1: I loved Mate the Second. It was like 19, I went,
[34:20] Speaker 1: I love you, Mum, but woof. Yeah, I wasn't in 19.
[34:23] Speaker 1: But I don't think that there's a dynamic now. amongst
[34:27] Speaker 1: Gen X parents and millennial parents that really say, oh, well,
[34:31] Speaker 1: two feet at 18, mate, and if you're not, see
[34:33] Speaker 1: you later.
[34:34] Speaker 5: But the generations, they're not looking for it either. They're
[34:37] Speaker 5: not looking for a way out. They're quite happy to
[34:39] Speaker 5: stay at home and most of the time not pay board,
[34:41] Speaker 5: food's provided. Why would you want to move out? Yes,
[34:45] Speaker 5: it's expensive and potentially they can't afford it, but life
[34:48] Speaker 5: is good at home. So I just can't imagine. There
[34:51] Speaker 5: was a story around the other week around people who
[34:54] Speaker 5: are having relationships with chatbots. So what does it say
[34:57] Speaker 5: for the next generation? They're living at home until their
[34:59] Speaker 5: late 20s, 30s. Their idea of a relationship is someone online.
[35:04] Speaker 5: It's just a sad indictment of where we're heading.
[35:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's my thing, Jo, which is that everyone
[35:09] Speaker 1: automatically says, oh, well, kids staying home longer is because
[35:12] Speaker 1: they can't buy a house. Yes, that's part of it.
[35:14] Speaker 2: That is true.
[35:14] Speaker 1: But can we stop having that conversation as the only
[35:16] Speaker 1: version of this conversation? Is it a conversation about what
[35:20] Speaker 1: we expect people of our kids, what kids expect of
[35:23] Speaker 1: their stages of life, where what used to be sort of,
[35:28] Speaker 1: you know, 20 was sort of the difference between your
[35:31] Speaker 1: educational life and your working life, right? Well, 20 is
[35:34] Speaker 1: now 25, if you want to talk about the educational
[35:37] Speaker 1: life of tertiary education, all the rest of it, right?
[35:39] Speaker 1: And then there's the financial that kicks in. And it's
[35:42] Speaker 1: one of those things where I don't expect a politician
[35:44] Speaker 1: to have an opinion on this, but I want adults
[35:46] Speaker 1: to have these conversations about, What's changing and are we
[35:49] Speaker 1: trying to measure one period of time against another when
[35:53] Speaker 1: the values are kind of different now?
[35:54] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of things are changing and
[35:56] Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely bang on. I think it's the
[35:58] Speaker 4: kids simply don't want to leave home for a whole
[36:01] Speaker 4: host of other reasons, whether they can afford to or not.
[36:03] Speaker 4: I left home at 17 and I shot from Dandenong
[36:07] Speaker 4: right to... melbourne and i was able to rent a
[36:11] Speaker 4: room in a share house for wait.
[36:13] Speaker 2: For the kids are going to have a cardiac.
[36:15] Speaker 4: Arrest forty dollars a week that's it man um and
[36:18] Speaker 4: that's just not available to them but also i wanted
[36:20] Speaker 4: to get out i wanted to you know i think
[36:23] Speaker 4: the generation gap was much more pronounced back then yes
[36:26] Speaker 4: parents were less understanding of Their kids, childhood was just
[36:30] Speaker 4: something you had to get over.
[36:31] Speaker 2: Yep. Probably more authoritarian, more disciplinarian, more conventional.
[36:37] Speaker 4: And now I think, you know, my kids would quite...
[36:40] Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a soft touch, but my kids would
[36:43] Speaker 4: be perfectly happy to live, I think.
[36:45] Speaker 2: Forever. Forever and ever and ever.
[36:47] Speaker 4: And we'd be saving the housing crisis too because, as
[36:50] Speaker 4: Tony Burke said, we'd be filling up.
[36:52] Speaker 2: All of those spare bedrooms. So doing our bit for
[36:54] Speaker 2: Queen and Country.
[36:55] Speaker 5: I think there'll be a generation of parents who move
[36:57] Speaker 5: out of home.
[36:58] Speaker 10: Yes.
[36:58] Speaker 1: Yes, that's the point. That will be the tipping point, right?
[37:01] Speaker 5: It'll be, okay, you kids are still home. It's time
[37:03] Speaker 5: for mum and dad now. We're moving out.
[37:06] Speaker 4: That's what the people who we bought our house from
[37:08] Speaker 4: actually did.
[37:09] Speaker 2: It was all their kids using that.
[37:11] Speaker 1: As a sharehouse.
[37:11] Speaker 5: We can't do this anymore.
[37:13] Speaker 2: We're out. That's cool.
[37:14] Speaker 1: Imagine the parents getting voted off the island. That's not
[37:16] Speaker 1: a fun episode.
[37:16] Speaker 5: No, you vote yourself off the island. That's my argument.
[37:18] Speaker 4: Like one of those praying mantises where the kids eat
[37:21] Speaker 4: the parents.
[37:22] Speaker 7: We're out.
[37:22] Speaker 5: We're out.
[37:24] Speaker 1: You and the fellow have already had that conversation. I
[37:25] Speaker 1: like it. I appreciate it.
[37:26] Speaker 2: All right.
[37:27] Speaker 1: So the Victorian government, and I've got to say, I
[37:29] Speaker 1: love any government of any stripe when it looks like
[37:32] Speaker 1: it's going out the door because they do a whole
[37:34] Speaker 1: bunch of stuff just to win everyone over. And some
[37:37] Speaker 1: of it is stuff that you go, why didn't you
[37:38] Speaker 1: do this sooner, right? Like, why did you hold on
[37:41] Speaker 1: to either hand this out as a treat? Because no-one's
[37:43] Speaker 1: voting for the Victorian government because they're going to let
[37:46] Speaker 1: dogs into pubs, right? I'm not imagining Jess Wilson's going
[37:49] Speaker 1: to come out and go, I'm against this, or One Nation.
[37:51] Speaker 1: We'll see, right? But I imagine not.
[37:53] Speaker 2: But.
[37:55] Speaker 1: I just love the dying days of a government whenever.
[37:57] Speaker 2: It happens to be. Oh, it's amazing.
[37:58] Speaker 1: Because that today was the Premier of Victoria is out
[38:01] Speaker 1: and about. Now, the actual announcement was pubs can stay
[38:03] Speaker 1: open as late as possible, help the night-time economy, but
[38:06] Speaker 1: the pictures, it's all about the puppies.
[38:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's great. I like Ben Carroll. He's giving
[38:11] Speaker 2: it a red-hot go.
[38:12] Speaker 4: It is a shame that he wasn't the person who
[38:14] Speaker 4: was elected when Dan Andrews finally left and left a giant...
[38:18] Speaker 4: ticking time bomb to his hapless successor he was privy.
[38:21] Speaker 5: To that whole ticking time bomb there.
[38:23] Speaker 4: Was nothing but again it's this idea in the left
[38:27] Speaker 4: that you can just sort of you control the machine
[38:29] Speaker 4: you control the narrative you bypass it stockholm syndrome that's
[38:32] Speaker 4: right so it was power later.
[38:34] Speaker 5: I knew nothing about it i saw.
[38:35] Speaker 4: Nothing you pull back the rug and there it is
[38:37] Speaker 4: and hey there's more there's a bigger story to tell
[38:41] Speaker 4: here about the right trying to regain control of the
[38:44] Speaker 4: Victorian Labor Party, which has been completely and utterly taken
[38:49] Speaker 4: over by the Socialists.
[38:50] Speaker 2: So he was a powerless.
[38:53] Speaker 4: There was nothing he could have done as a minister
[38:55] Speaker 4: in the previous.
[38:56] Speaker 1: Andrews or even Allen administration. Winning is the miracle. How
[39:00] Speaker 1: much can we save? And then what is the rebuild
[39:02] Speaker 1: from there? But, again.
[39:03] Speaker 4: They don't have to cost any of the things that
[39:05] Speaker 4: they promised in the lead-up to the election because they
[39:07] Speaker 4: know they're never going to.
[39:07] Speaker 1: Have to pay for it. But here's the thing, right?
[39:08] Speaker 1: And I said this, remember, in 2019, and I have
[39:10] Speaker 1: meant it every day since, right? Nothing is inevitable in politics.
[39:14] Speaker 1: So do not make the assumption that just because you
[39:15] Speaker 1: think they're on the way out, they're gone forever. No.
[39:18] Speaker 1: If you want them to go, you've got to vote,
[39:19] Speaker 1: you've got to convince your mates to change their mind
[39:21] Speaker 1: as well, right?
[39:22] Speaker 4: One nation's going to win in the landslide, so it
[39:24] Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you vote Labor.
[39:25] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:26] Speaker 1: See? Or you'll get that garbage as well. Lisa, last
[39:29] Speaker 1: thing here, right? If somebody has a personality that is
[39:32] Speaker 1: either difficult to love or a brand or whatever, you
[39:36] Speaker 1: need to.
[39:36] Speaker 5: You're talking about Albanese, right?
[39:38] Speaker 1: Make them look a little more human. You throw a
[39:40] Speaker 1: dog at it, don't you?
[39:41] Speaker 5: Oh, I just think it's poor form. I'd love to
[39:42] Speaker 5: see the polling. The polling must show something. Look, we've
[39:45] Speaker 5: got a whole swathe of dog-loving voters out there. We
[39:48] Speaker 5: need to bring them on in.
[39:50] Speaker 2: It's kind of like you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,
[39:52] Speaker 2: would you? Yeah, correct, correct.
[39:53] Speaker 1: All right, we've got about 30 seconds before we can
[39:55] Speaker 1: have a chat with one of Angry Anderson's mates. Winner
[39:57] Speaker 1: and loser of the week, who.
[39:58] Speaker 2: Stood out for you?
[39:59] Speaker 5: Loser of the week has to be the 6,000 people
[40:00] Speaker 5: who lost their jobs with these new figures that have
[40:02] Speaker 5: come out. Full-time jobs.
[40:03] Speaker 1: 100%.
[40:04] Speaker 9: Gone.
[40:04] Speaker 1: Beautifully so.
[40:05] Speaker 5: How are they dealing with the rent?
[40:07] Speaker 1: And mortgage.
[40:08] Speaker 5: And the winner of the week, the reporter who asked the,
[40:10] Speaker 5: you know, do you feel like a fraud?
[40:12] Speaker 1: Oh, big question.
[40:13] Speaker 2: You're so close, Lisa, yet so far. No, the winner
[40:15] Speaker 2: of the week was literally Anthony Albanese.
[40:18] Speaker 11: Oh, yes.
[40:19] Speaker 1: The award-winning Prime Minister.
[40:22] Speaker 2: What could possibly go wrong?
[40:23] Speaker 1: Where were you? What did John Raveler say when we
[40:25] Speaker 1: won the American? Stand up! Stand up! You know, that
[40:28] Speaker 1: was the feeling we all had.
[40:29] Speaker 5: No-one needs to go to work today.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Rubbish. Thank you, guys.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Do appreciate it.
[40:32] Speaker 1: We're going to look back at the life of... Angry
[40:34] Speaker 1: Anderson a moment with one of his mates before we're
[40:37] Speaker 1: done here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching. Last
[40:43] Speaker 1: night was a super busy show. Pauline Hanson here in
[40:46] Speaker 1: the man cave. All of those videos are up now
[40:48] Speaker 1: at news24. com. au. So I wanted to take some time to
[40:51] Speaker 1: talk about the passing of Angry Anderson, the legendary Australian.
[40:55] Speaker 1: musical performer, but he'd done so much more, charity, good bloke,
[40:59] Speaker 1: good Aussie. And I wanted to have a chat on
[41:02] Speaker 1: camera tonight with a guy that I very much love.
[41:05] Speaker 1: It is the great James Phelps, who is an author
[41:08] Speaker 1: and a journalist and massive rock head as well. And
[41:12] Speaker 1: he got to know Angry Anderson very well over the
[41:14] Speaker 1: past few years. He spent a lot of time preparing
[41:17] Speaker 1: for a book about Angry Anderson's life. And we had
[41:19] Speaker 1: a chance to talk a bit earlier in the day.
[41:21] Speaker 1: I began by wishing him all the best and so
[41:24] Speaker 1: sorry for his loss. And what's it like to think
[41:27] Speaker 1: about a world without Angry Anderson?
[41:30] Speaker 3: Look, mate, it really hit me hard.
[41:31] Speaker 11: And as you said, we kind of knew it was coming,
[41:34] Speaker 11: but it was a really bizarre circumstance. So, mate, I
[41:37] Speaker 11: was spending, you know, six to eight hours a day
[41:39] Speaker 11: with him on, you know, two times a week, right
[41:42] Speaker 11: up until he left.
[41:43] Speaker 3: And He sort of went.
[41:44] Speaker 11: Away and we talked about what we were going to
[41:45] Speaker 11: do and I didn't hear from him for two weeks.
[41:48] Speaker 2: So I sent him text.
[41:48] Speaker 11: Messages and they weren't coming back and all of a
[41:52] Speaker 11: sudden I read on the internet that he'd had a
[41:53] Speaker 11: heart attack and I couldn't get through to him. So yeah,
[41:57] Speaker 11: I found out off the internet yesterday that he passed
[41:59] Speaker 11: away and I kind of thought it must have been
[42:01] Speaker 11: bad because I couldn't get.
[42:02] Speaker 3: Through to him. But yeah, it really hit me, mate.
[42:05] Speaker 3: I had a little.
[42:06] Speaker 11: Tear last night when I was trying to write some
[42:08] Speaker 11: nice words about him. And we've lost our bloody Aussie
[42:11] Speaker 11: legend at the end of the day, so he's going
[42:14] Speaker 11: to be sorely missed.
[42:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this thing where, like, as a fan, you
[42:18] Speaker 1: make certain assumptions that certain people are around forever, and
[42:21] Speaker 1: then obviously they're human beings and they're not. But when
[42:24] Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to sit down and spend so
[42:26] Speaker 1: much time and talk, and in your tribute you told
[42:30] Speaker 1: us that basically his stories went forever, they took a
[42:33] Speaker 1: long time, they took a long journey, a long turn,
[42:36] Speaker 1: but we see the sort of bloke who.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Had things to say or was he the type of
[42:41] Speaker 1: person who, uh, you needed to coax a little to
[42:44] Speaker 1: gain the trust. And then he told you everything.
[42:47] Speaker 11: Oh, mate, he won't mind me saying this, but he
[42:48] Speaker 11: was a dead set jibber. He could talk for absolute
[42:51] Speaker 11: hours and hours. I actually had him at a guest
[42:54] Speaker 11: at one of my book launches and he took over
[42:56] Speaker 11: and the book launch went for about three hours. But look,
[42:59] Speaker 11: looking back now, it used to be frustrating at times because, um,
[43:01] Speaker 11: you know, I'd want to get to the point and
[43:03] Speaker 11: get to the story and he'd go off in tangents. And, um,
[43:06] Speaker 11: But looking back now, mate, it was some of the
[43:08] Speaker 11: greatest stories I've heard, and I'm glad he did because
[43:10] Speaker 11: I'm going to treasure every single one of those little
[43:12] Speaker 11: stories he told me, even the ones about Paul Murray
[43:15] Speaker 11: and Pauline Hanson.
[43:16] Speaker 2: He was a huge fan of yours, mate.
[43:19] Speaker 11: And obviously had a little political career himself, but he
[43:21] Speaker 11: used to tune into the Paul Murray Show every night,
[43:24] Speaker 11: and it was pretty proud of me that I actually
[43:26] Speaker 11: knew you. I haven't told you that, so keep it
[43:27] Speaker 11: a secret.
[43:28] Speaker 1: Brother, that's very kind.
[43:30] Speaker 11: Yeah, mate, he was a character, and the amount of stories,
[43:33] Speaker 11: but the thing about him is the stories he'd want
[43:35] Speaker 11: to talk about were mundane things every day, the frustrations
[43:39] Speaker 11: of going shopping or his mobile phone breaking down. And
[43:41] Speaker 11: to him, the stories about, you know, Axl Rose being
[43:44] Speaker 11: his number one fan or playing, you know, having Metallica
[43:47] Speaker 11: come on stage and play one of his songs while
[43:49] Speaker 11: I'm at the concert, they were nothing to him. You know,
[43:51] Speaker 11: he didn't care about those. They were just everyday things.
[43:54] Speaker 11: It was the real stories that he liked telling.
[43:56] Speaker 1: Well, it's the rock and roll stories that obviously fascinate us.
[43:59] Speaker 1: And thank you for passing that on. That's really kind.
[44:01] Speaker 10: Is.
[44:02] Speaker 1: You know, as a musician, as a singer, he had
[44:04] Speaker 1: just one of those voices. But as you say, one
[44:06] Speaker 1: that was recognised by the best of his generation around
[44:10] Speaker 1: the world. It wasn't some sort of Aussie pub phenomena.
[44:13] Speaker 1: He was someone, as you said, with artists like Guns N' Roses, Metallica,
[44:17] Speaker 1: who were like, yeah, we're into this guy. Did he
[44:20] Speaker 1: view them as peers or just sort of wankers who
[44:23] Speaker 1: flew in from around the world?
[44:25] Speaker 11: Well, mate, I kept on asking you about Axel, and
[44:27] Speaker 11: Axel rings him on many nights late at night, and
[44:30] Speaker 11: he used to not take his calls. He goes, Axel's
[44:32] Speaker 11: a bloody pest. I wish he'd stop calling me. When
[44:37] Speaker 11: Slash came over, he actually rang me up and said, oh, mate,
[44:39] Speaker 11: we're going out to dinner tomorrow night.
[44:40] Speaker 3: Keep it free. I go, what do you mean?
[44:42] Speaker 1: He goes, no, we're going to dinner.
[44:43] Speaker 3: Just shut up and come.
[44:44] Speaker 11: And anyway, the next day he rang me, and Slash
[44:47] Speaker 11: cancelled because of COVID, but I didn't know he was
[44:48] Speaker 11: going to take me to dinner with Slash, and I
[44:50] Speaker 11: ended up... He got a heap of stuff signed for me,
[44:52] Speaker 11: but for him, it was just another day. Um, they
[44:55] Speaker 11: were people that, you know, he would colleagues and mates and, um, Yeah,
[44:59] Speaker 11: he met these wonderful people. But you've got to remember,
[45:01] Speaker 11: this band Rose Tattoo were competing with none other than
[45:04] Speaker 11: ACDC in the late 70s, early 80s for being the
[45:08] Speaker 11: rock and roll band of the world.
[45:10] Speaker 3: They came out with a few big hits.
[45:12] Speaker 11: Like Rock and Roll Outlaw, Nice Boys, and these went worldwide.
[45:16] Speaker 11: And they set the stage for all the heavy rock
[45:18] Speaker 11: that came after it. Like these guys were coming after
[45:21] Speaker 11: Black Sabbath. and some of these great English bands, and
[45:23] Speaker 11: they created.
[45:24] Speaker 3: A new style of music. And these songs went worldwide.
[45:27] Speaker 3: They're heroes everywhere.
[45:28] Speaker 11: So he'd walk into any room, any bar where there
[45:31] Speaker 11: was a musician, and they'd be idols. So the little
[45:34] Speaker 11: moment I got chuffed with it, I was at Smashing
[45:36] Speaker 11: Pumpkins with my sons, and my sons are like.
[45:38] Speaker 2: Who's Rose Tattoo?
[45:38] Speaker 3: You know, dad angry.
[45:39] Speaker 11: Who's this angry bloke that's always around? And anyway, they're
[45:42] Speaker 11: sitting there, and Billy Corgan gets on stage, and he goes,
[45:43] Speaker 11: I'd just like to pay tribute to the three greatest
[45:46] Speaker 11: bands ever. He said, ACDC, roast, tattoo and in excess.
[45:50] Speaker 11: And my kids turned around and said, Dad, you're writing
[45:51] Speaker 11: his book.
[45:52] Speaker 3: I said, bloody oath I am.
[45:54] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[45:54] Speaker 1: So what's this journey now for you in terms of
[45:57] Speaker 1: putting together all of those conversations? It's a long work
[46:02] Speaker 1: ahead or something that you're looking forward to?
[46:05] Speaker 11: Again, angry won't mind me taking offense, but the process
[46:07] Speaker 11: might be a bit easier now.
[46:11] Speaker 3: We've spent three years on it.
[46:13] Speaker 11: We're planning to knock it over in a year, but
[46:15] Speaker 11: we've probably got three quarters of a book down, which
[46:18] Speaker 11: he approved and he loved, and he's got his own
[46:20] Speaker 11: work in there. It's not just my writing. He'd get
[46:22] Speaker 11: in and have a crack himself, which I had to
[46:24] Speaker 11: go over and teach him how to use Microsoft Word
[46:26] Speaker 11: and then email to email it to me, but we
[46:29] Speaker 11: got there.
[46:30] Speaker 3: Um, and so now it's a matter of finishing.
[46:32] Speaker 11: I'm obviously going to have to speak to the boys
[46:34] Speaker 11: and make sure they're okay with it. I've got little
[46:35] Speaker 11: conversations that probably aren't on the record, but they're on tape.
[46:38] Speaker 11: And from that, I'm going to have to piece together
[46:41] Speaker 11: the final bits, um, and speak to the editor about
[46:43] Speaker 11: how I do it. But, um, you know, if it
[46:45] Speaker 11: wasn't angry, I probably wouldn't do it, but I've got
[46:47] Speaker 11: to finish this book for him.
[46:48] Speaker 2: I own that one.
[46:49] Speaker 11: He didn't get to finish the album that he was
[46:51] Speaker 11: working on. He was about to relaunch his solo career.
[46:53] Speaker 11: And some of the songs that he wrote were direct
[46:56] Speaker 11: from my writing from passages from the book. And we'll
[46:59] Speaker 11: never get to hear those, unfortunately, which makes me pretty sad,
[47:01] Speaker 11: but I certainly will finish the book for him. And
[47:05] Speaker 11: right now he's up in heaven with his son, Liam.
[47:07] Speaker 11: And yeah, they're catching up and having a great time.
[47:09] Speaker 11: It was one of the big, big tragedies of his
[47:12] Speaker 11: life and something he never recovered from.
[47:13] Speaker 3: And, I know they'll be having a great time now.
[47:17] Speaker 1: Good on you, Phelpsie, and good on you, Angry Anderson.
[47:19] Speaker 1: The world is a poorer for you not being amongst
[47:21] Speaker 1: us no more, but the music is there forever, brother.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[47:24] Speaker 2: One second.
[47:32] Speaker 1: Let us end the week in the most satisfying of fashions,
[47:34] Speaker 1: which is you work really hard, you pay too much tax.
[47:37] Speaker 1: which means we pay for the politicians and the people
[47:39] Speaker 1: who make the bad social media videos about them. What
[47:42] Speaker 1: happened while you were working? Ali Francis is the Labor
[47:45] Speaker 1: member for Dixon. What's her contribution to the parliament this week?
[47:51] Speaker 2: Ali, what on earth are you doing?
[47:52] Speaker 11: What does it look like I'm doing?
[47:55] Speaker 2: These new homes won't build themselves, Corinne.
[47:57] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
[47:58] Speaker 1: The Labor government's got it all sorted. She's in the
[48:01] Speaker 1: Labor government. What about the quality of acting? Kate Chaney
[48:05] Speaker 1: is an independent of Tiffany T or what she's got
[48:07] Speaker 1: for us.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Bigger the better?
[48:11] Speaker 5: I feel like I look really ridiculous.
[48:14] Speaker 1: The bigger the better. Is that a certain thing?
[48:18] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[48:24] Speaker 1: Ritchie Ditch, isn't that the old TV show? That's our
[48:26] Speaker 1: show for tonight. Thank you very much for watching. Looking
[48:28] Speaker 1: forward to being in Bathurst a couple of weeks out
[48:29] Speaker 1: from the race, but it's not just about motorsports. It's
[48:31] Speaker 1: about celebrating that beautiful city. We will do so in
[48:34] Speaker 1: our town. Thanks to our friends at Harvey Norman on
[48:36] Speaker 1: Sunday night. We'll see you then. Until then, hope your
[48:37] Speaker 1: team goes okay in either the finals or the GF.
[48:40] Speaker 2: Ta-ra.

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