# Paul Murray Live | 5 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 5 Aug 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/0d67f634-42c8-4277-acee-b49d00d1a720/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Students are not meeting basic literacy and numeracy expectations, Melbourne firebombing treated as terror attack. Plus, Tony Burke postpones speech due to concerns over his policy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray live. Thank you Cherry, Hello friends,
[0:08] Speaker 1: coming into the man cave. Yep the voice. It is
[0:10] Speaker 1: an absolute shocker. We will power on because that's the
[0:13] Speaker 1: only option that we have. There is a lot to
[0:15] Speaker 1: get to tonight, including no sooks, no lefties, this evening. Now,
[0:20] Speaker 1: for years we have seen politicians of many political stripes,
[0:23] Speaker 1: but particularly the Labor Party tell us that the answer
[0:26] Speaker 1: to Australia's problems is to throw more money at education.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Sixteen point five billion dollar National Education Announcer.
[0:35] Speaker 3: See us jump into the future with the kind of
[0:38] Speaker 3: investment that education desperately needs.
[0:41] Speaker 2: Sixteen point five billion dollars in additional COMMONWEW funding to
[0:45] Speaker 2: public schools across the nation.
[0:48] Speaker 1: And why because a significant number of kids are below
[0:52] Speaker 1: standard minimum standards when it comes to literacy and numeracy. Now,
[0:57] Speaker 1: this is a problem across the entire country. And yes,
[1:02] Speaker 1: while rich and poor is ever so slightly different, the
[1:04] Speaker 1: reality is a third of kids in all forms of
[1:07] Speaker 1: education are currently struggling. We know this and have known
[1:10] Speaker 1: this for some time. This has been around for a
[1:13] Speaker 1: long time. But even before all those numbers that you
[1:16] Speaker 1: just heard, that was the result and back then the
[1:21] Speaker 1: education Minister was saying that he's made it clear that
[1:24] Speaker 1: an additional sixteen billion dollars of funding for public schools
[1:28] Speaker 1: that the Governor's put on the table will be tied
[1:30] Speaker 1: to practical reforms, phonics checks, numeracy checks, evidence based teaching
[1:36] Speaker 1: and catch up tutoring. There are no blank checks here.
[1:39] Speaker 1: I want to invest billions into our schools and I
[1:41] Speaker 1: want to make sure that the money makes a difference.
[1:44] Speaker 1: Or two years later, today we get the very latest
[1:48] Speaker 1: Naplan numbers where guess what, things have got worse again.
[1:53] Speaker 1: I decided in all of the new stories around today
[1:55] Speaker 1: to show you the most left wing version of it,
[1:58] Speaker 1: and even they are saying that Naplan results read and
[2:00] Speaker 1: writing worsens in Australian schools. One in three failing to
[2:03] Speaker 1: meet benchmarks. Reading and writing schools are going backwards for
[2:09] Speaker 1: almost every age group in Australia's national Standardized School tests,
[2:13] Speaker 1: one in three students still failing to meet the Naplan benchmarks.
[2:18] Speaker 1: What was the spin the government put on it today?
[2:20] Speaker 1: Naplan results show real improvement and numeracy, but more work
[2:23] Speaker 1: to do a third of kids are not meeting the
[2:27] Speaker 1: basic standards and there was more work to do. Two
[2:31] Speaker 1: years ago. Well, now that things have got worse, guess what.
[2:34] Speaker 1: According to the Education Minister, there is more work to
[2:37] Speaker 1: be done.
[2:39] Speaker 4: Fix the curriculum, to make it simpler and easier to teach.
[2:43] Speaker 4: A lot of teachers and principles have told us that
[2:45] Speaker 4: the first couple of years of the mass curriculum can
[2:48] Speaker 4: be complicated, if difficult to teach. You've got to teach
[2:51] Speaker 4: it in the right order. Maths is sequential and so
[2:55] Speaker 4: you learn different rules or principles, You've got to learn
[2:58] Speaker 4: it in the right order to build on that knowledge.
[3:01] Speaker 4: So the work that we're doing to fix the mass
[3:04] Speaker 4: curriculum is important. I think that's underlined by the results today.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Now, of course this should be headline news everywhere. It
[3:11] Speaker 1: is a national catastrophe. It doesn't matter how many tens
[3:13] Speaker 1: or even hundreds of billions at all us that are
[3:15] Speaker 1: thrown into the school system. Something is not working. But
[3:18] Speaker 1: as long as the teachers that are openly socialists, as
[3:22] Speaker 1: long as there are students that are promising to take
[3:24] Speaker 1: to the street and know the difference between right and wrong,
[3:27] Speaker 1: and of course that means anything other than the hard
[3:29] Speaker 1: left of Australia is considered wrong. Hence, why they're taking
[3:32] Speaker 1: the streets against Pauline Hanson, next work who cares right
[3:36] Speaker 1: or you care? I care? And doctor Kevin Donnelly cares
[3:41] Speaker 1: an absolute same voice in the world of education. He said,
[3:44] Speaker 1: look at these numbers. We will talk to him in
[3:46] Speaker 1: just a couple of moments time. Now today we've got
[3:50] Speaker 1: a couple of insights into the extremeism that exists at
[3:54] Speaker 1: both ends of the political spectrum. There was a fire
[3:58] Speaker 1: bombing that took place in Melbourne a couple of years
[4:02] Speaker 1: ago and the police have now come forward to have
[4:06] Speaker 1: a terror investigation potentially linked to all of this. This
[4:09] Speaker 1: was after Victoria Police were probing a fire bombing of
[4:12] Speaker 1: the Love of Technologies and it is considered an act
[4:16] Speaker 1: of terrorism by far left extremists. Here's the police explaining
[4:19] Speaker 1: what happened.
[4:21] Speaker 5: A fire bombing attack that came with sinister threats.
[4:25] Speaker 4: Death to Israel, death to Australia.
[4:28] Speaker 5: Quickly catching the attention of counter terror police. A year
[4:32] Speaker 5: after cars were graffited and set alight at Melbourne based
[4:35] Speaker 5: defense contractor Lover Technologies, Investigators from the Australian Federal Police,
[4:40] Speaker 5: Victoria's joined counter terrorism team and ASIO confirming they're treating
[4:45] Speaker 5: the incident as a terrorism attack.
[4:47] Speaker 1: And why supposedly because of course connections all back to
[4:50] Speaker 1: what's happening in the Middle East. Extraordinary right now. The
[4:54] Speaker 1: police came out today and they announced that the Victorian
[4:57] Speaker 1: Joint counter Terrorism Team is investigating the attack on the
[5:00] Speaker 1: Melbourne Defense Manufacturer as an act of terrorism, potentially orchestrated
[5:04] Speaker 1: by far left extremists, anarchists, revolutionary ideas. That's the extreme
[5:11] Speaker 1: on the left. We got an insight into the extreme
[5:14] Speaker 1: on the right today at the ever disappointing Royal Commission
[5:17] Speaker 1: into Anti Semitism. Spoke yesterday about how that thing went
[5:21] Speaker 1: off track. I spoke before even the public hearing started
[5:24] Speaker 1: about how this thing had gone off track. Well, a
[5:27] Speaker 1: former neo Nazi, a reformed neo Nazi, apparently Well gave
[5:32] Speaker 1: evidence today and he was talking about the people that
[5:34] Speaker 1: he was originally surrounding himself with on the far right,
[5:37] Speaker 1: referring to them as just angry people. He explains how
[5:40] Speaker 1: he got involved in far right extremism.
[5:43] Speaker 6: In these groups, the line is sold to you that
[5:46] Speaker 6: you are the good guys. You know, you're striving for
[5:50] Speaker 6: the great White hope. In different circumstances, I'd had people
[5:55] Speaker 6: explain to me that I would rather hang out with
[6:01] Speaker 6: a murderer than with someone like me.
[6:04] Speaker 1: Extraordinary. How did you get out? Well? Again that evidence
[6:07] Speaker 1: given to the Royal Commission today.
[6:09] Speaker 6: I had some significant upheables in my life which led
[6:17] Speaker 6: to problems with employment. Me being known for my views
[6:23] Speaker 6: was an issue. I have been mixing with people of
[6:28] Speaker 6: all different ethnicities and after taking a good hard look
[6:34] Speaker 6: at myself, I realized that the people around me were
[6:38] Speaker 6: not upholding the brotherhood and the standards that I always
[6:43] Speaker 6: uphold myself.
[6:45] Speaker 1: Now, all of this is to remind you that there
[6:47] Speaker 1: is plenty of crazy that exists. It exists on the
[6:50] Speaker 1: far left the far right. Do not fall into the
[6:53] Speaker 1: traps that believe because you are a person who has
[6:56] Speaker 1: opinions to the left or to the right, then you
[6:58] Speaker 1: are the beginning of where these people end up. Where
[7:00] Speaker 1: those people have ended up is a frightening place. We
[7:03] Speaker 1: need to remain vigilant about it and all and every effort.
[7:06] Speaker 1: And again this is part of the problem for Rasio.
[7:08] Speaker 1: They have talked about people who are being radicalized by
[7:12] Speaker 1: political ideologies as well as parsidized versions of religions and
[7:17] Speaker 1: strength to their arm about how they investigate it, how
[7:19] Speaker 1: they squash it out at every possible opportunity. If you
[7:23] Speaker 1: are concerned that somebody has gone too far down a
[7:25] Speaker 1: rabbit hole, you need to tell someone. Don't worry about
[7:27] Speaker 1: confronting them, tell somebody who might be able to stop
[7:30] Speaker 1: them before things get too out of control. Now, as
[7:34] Speaker 1: you know, the majority of Australians have a problem with
[7:37] Speaker 1: the number of people who have been coming into Australia. Yes,
[7:40] Speaker 1: some fractions have problems with whom is coming into Australia,
[7:43] Speaker 1: but my argument is constantly about the sheer numbers. There
[7:46] Speaker 1: are twenty eight million people in the country right now.
[7:48] Speaker 1: There are eighteen million who were here thirty years ago.
[7:52] Speaker 1: The joint has forever grown, but really has the infrastructure
[7:54] Speaker 1: matched it. There's not a state that doesn't have a problem,
[7:57] Speaker 1: whether it's public hospitals or public education. And Pole after
[8:01] Speaker 1: Pole tells it's the same thing that most Australians believe
[8:04] Speaker 1: that immigration levels are currently too high. The vast majority
[8:07] Speaker 1: believe that immigration is too high. These are all separate polls.
[8:10] Speaker 1: By the way, migrants themselves want to pull down the
[8:13] Speaker 1: drawbridge on immigration. They too think too many people coming
[8:17] Speaker 1: in too fast. And two people that have always told
[8:21] Speaker 1: us that any version of this conversation is some sort
[8:23] Speaker 1: of the beginning of a dog whistle, whether you've got
[8:25] Speaker 1: a good voice or not. Is the Prime Minister and
[8:28] Speaker 1: his Home Affairs Minister effectively the immigration minister. And remember
[8:34] Speaker 1: we've been told over and over again that there is
[8:37] Speaker 1: nothing but a good story about the number of people
[8:39] Speaker 1: that you bring into the country.
[8:42] Speaker 2: That will continue to come down. It will hit two
[8:44] Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five thousand over the next few years.
[8:49] Speaker 2: That is what the objective is. The objective is working.
[8:55] Speaker 1: Well. Some sort of scales have fallen off the government's eyes,
[9:00] Speaker 1: apparently because we woke up to two very different stories today,
[9:04] Speaker 1: stories that apparently the government is going to crack down
[9:07] Speaker 1: on migration. This is after they promised to do it
[9:09] Speaker 1: and failed last time. It's after the budget numbers of
[9:12] Speaker 1: three hundred thousand had already been broken through. And yes,
[9:16] Speaker 1: this is all about trying to deal with the labor
[9:19] Speaker 1: one nation curious voters. They don't care about people that
[9:22] Speaker 1: are conservative voters, former liberals, current liberals, former Nats, current Nats,
[9:26] Speaker 1: or people that new found to one nation. They only
[9:28] Speaker 1: care about the existing Labour support and if that's one, two, three, four,
[9:31] Speaker 1: five percent. They want to stop them going to one
[9:34] Speaker 1: nation because that's a difference between majority and minority government
[9:37] Speaker 1: or maybe even opposition completely. So today we wake up
[9:41] Speaker 1: that apparently we are going to be changing the focus here,
[9:46] Speaker 1: apparently the fish. The focus will move to more on
[9:49] Speaker 1: shore visa applicants, ie people who are already in the
[9:51] Speaker 1: country wanting to become permanent citizens, and stop those that
[9:56] Speaker 1: are coming in from overseas. But of course they've already
[9:58] Speaker 1: come in from overseas, so it's a very little accounting
[10:01] Speaker 1: trick which is being played right here. But the question
[10:04] Speaker 1: is is this a serious crackdown or is it a
[10:07] Speaker 1: cop out? Now, as you know, Tony Burke was due
[10:11] Speaker 1: to make all of this announcement at the home game
[10:13] Speaker 1: that is the National Press Club. The decision was made
[10:16] Speaker 1: for him not to make that announcement. Now, this is
[10:19] Speaker 1: either because that Labor Party is arguing amongst itself about
[10:22] Speaker 1: whether they should be following this path, or whether the
[10:24] Speaker 1: Prime Minister when he gets back from the holiday, because
[10:26] Speaker 1: I remember, he hasn't had a day off this year,
[10:30] Speaker 1: so he's out of play this week. You'll be back
[10:31] Speaker 1: next week and then maybe he wants to own this
[10:33] Speaker 1: from some political perspective. Pauline Hansen says, don't believe what
[10:39] Speaker 1: they say, watch what they do.
[10:42] Speaker 7: He wants to look like he's cutting migration, but he's not.
[10:46] Speaker 8: He's lying.
[10:48] Speaker 9: What he's doing is moving things around to make the
[10:50] Speaker 9: numbers look smaller, but he's allowing people to gain the
[10:54] Speaker 9: visa system and play Australians for fools.
[10:58] Speaker 1: Just in Anamba. Jimper Price was one of my friend
[11:00] Speaker 1: Kenny earlier making the same point.
[11:03] Speaker 9: Those socialist members of their cabinet that are helping to
[11:06] Speaker 9: destroy this country. And this is just again demonstrates a
[11:10] Speaker 9: government that is divided behind the closed doors. They're divided.
[11:16] Speaker 9: They don't know what they want to press forward with
[11:18] Speaker 9: or not. You know how embarrassing that Tony Burk as
[11:22] Speaker 9: the Minister, had to pull out of his National Press
[11:25] Speaker 9: Club address at the last minute. You know, and as
[11:29] Speaker 9: it is right now there are more than two point
[11:31] Speaker 9: eight million temporary visa holders since the end of June.
[11:35] Speaker 9: We know that immigration is having a detrimental impact on
[11:39] Speaker 9: our country, on our infrastructure, on our services, and this
[11:44] Speaker 9: government has created that problem.
[11:48] Speaker 1: He's the deal. Judge them by what they do, not
[11:50] Speaker 1: by what they say, because they have told us everything
[11:54] Speaker 1: from there there to help on cost of living. But
[11:56] Speaker 1: remember from day one, fifteen hundred dollars was automatically on
[11:59] Speaker 1: the table. For they've taken it away. They've given it
[12:01] Speaker 1: back with fifty dollars a year to und fifty dollars
[12:03] Speaker 1: there and they take it away, they take it away,
[12:05] Speaker 1: they take it away. They say they're going to cut migration.
[12:07] Speaker 1: Remember clueless clear O'Neil was the minister a couple of
[12:10] Speaker 1: years ago when they were doing it. Well, guess what
[12:12] Speaker 1: they failed the year after, the year after, and now
[12:14] Speaker 1: this year as well. Wait watch and see whether there
[12:18] Speaker 1: is something happening below the water, whether as soon as
[12:20] Speaker 1: this thought balloon was put up today that people lost
[12:23] Speaker 1: their brains about it, or whether it's the Prime Minister
[12:26] Speaker 1: trying to pretend that he is fixing a problem that
[12:28] Speaker 1: he created now to a very Victorian scandal. Now you
[12:34] Speaker 1: know that. On the show, I have talked a lot
[12:36] Speaker 1: about the central problem with a government, any government that's
[12:40] Speaker 1: been around for too long, is the great corruption starts
[12:43] Speaker 1: to kick in. This is when effectively, if you've been
[12:45] Speaker 1: the government for the best part of thirty years, then
[12:47] Speaker 1: everyone who is at the upper echelons the public service
[12:50] Speaker 1: has some connection back to the government, and that is
[12:53] Speaker 1: exactly what has been happening in Victoria. As you know,
[12:56] Speaker 1: the IBACK released a report that was eight years in
[13:00] Speaker 1: the making with a lot of smoke. But let's be honest,
[13:03] Speaker 1: no fire, a lot of noise, but not a smoking gun.
[13:07] Speaker 1: That doesn't mean there's nothing to see here. It is
[13:09] Speaker 1: again a further conversation about the gray corruption. Now let's
[13:12] Speaker 1: be very clear, no corruption findings against the former premier
[13:15] Speaker 1: and Daniel Andrews. No corruption findings against the firefighters bosses.
[13:19] Speaker 1: When they were doing a deal in part was about
[13:21] Speaker 1: screwing over the country fire authority in Victoria. And today
[13:27] Speaker 1: the firefighters, eight years in the making, had their moment
[13:30] Speaker 1: to turn around and say, thanks for the noise, but
[13:33] Speaker 1: you didn't get us. What they did here is go
[13:36] Speaker 1: on a witch hunt looking for a finding that just
[13:38] Speaker 1: simply wasn't there. What I do do is represent my members.
[13:42] Speaker 6: Have I breached the law?
[13:43] Speaker 10: No?
[13:44] Speaker 1: Have I ever been convicted for doing so? No? But
[13:48] Speaker 1: the problem in Victoria is gray corruption. When too many
[13:52] Speaker 1: people have too many connections to the Labor Party, that
[13:55] Speaker 1: means potentially they end up having too many connections and
[13:58] Speaker 1: too great access to the union movement. Again not technically illegal,
[14:03] Speaker 1: not technically corrupt, but it sits in this fog of
[14:06] Speaker 1: gray corruption. Here's our reporter in Melbourne explaining exactly what
[14:10] Speaker 1: was inside the report.
[14:12] Speaker 11: The report also reveals the extraordinary level of contact between
[14:16] Speaker 11: senior public servant Tony Bates and union boss Peter Marshall.
[14:20] Speaker 11: Mister Bates now holds a position as Secretary for the
[14:23] Speaker 11: Department of Education. Over four months they exchanged three hundred
[14:27] Speaker 11: and eighty one text messages. IBAK found several were inappropriate
[14:31] Speaker 11: for a senior public officer.
[14:34] Speaker 1: So if you feel that there's a lot of noise
[14:36] Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of there there as I said,
[14:38] Speaker 1: smoke but no fire, a gunshot but no smoking gun. Okay.
[14:43] Speaker 1: The total problem in Victoria. The reason to change the
[14:46] Speaker 1: government is the grey corruption. Even if you are a
[14:50] Speaker 1: labor supporting you need to change a government because the
[14:53] Speaker 1: government is not just the Labor Party as it is
[14:56] Speaker 1: in Queensland. It is not just the Labor Party and
[14:59] Speaker 1: it's not the Uni Party where automatically it has to
[15:01] Speaker 1: be the Liberal Party. You could it up being any
[15:03] Speaker 1: of the political options that are out there because those
[15:06] Speaker 1: people need to have the ability to have different people
[15:10] Speaker 1: who start to thin out the system, otherwise you get
[15:13] Speaker 1: gray corruption. And thankfully, while researching this today, I found
[15:18] Speaker 1: this video from a report from about four years ago
[15:22] Speaker 1: about gray corruption. The two people you were going to
[15:25] Speaker 1: see is the former boss of I back the Corruption
[15:27] Speaker 1: Commission in Victoria and the ombudsman at that time, Deborah Glass,
[15:32] Speaker 1: explaining what the phenomena is.
[15:35] Speaker 12: Gray corruption is characterized by questionable behavior and decision making
[15:42] Speaker 12: involving a breach of integrity standards that does not necessarily
[15:47] Speaker 12: amount to criminal conduct. However, its effect on public confidence
[15:52] Speaker 12: in democracy and its institutions is deeply damaging.
[15:58] Speaker 1: And again the examples that they found the stuff that
[16:02] Speaker 1: is what smells when you get anywhere in near Spring Street.
[16:07] Speaker 12: The evidence public and private painted a compelling picture of
[16:11] Speaker 12: jobs on the public purse according to factional loyalty and
[16:15] Speaker 12: widespread misuse of public resources for political purposes.
[16:21] Speaker 13: Our report illustrates a catalog of unethical and inappropriate behavior
[16:26] Speaker 13: and concerning practices an environment in which such behavior was
[16:30] Speaker 13: able to flourish. They range from the hiring of unqualified
[16:35] Speaker 13: people into publicly funded roles, using those roles to support
[16:39] Speaker 13: factional work, nepotism, forging signatures, bullying behaviors, and attempts to
[16:45] Speaker 13: interfere with government grants.
[16:47] Speaker 1: This is the problem. This is what needs to be changed.
[16:50] Speaker 1: This is what is constantly being proven about the state
[16:53] Speaker 1: of Victoria. Now to the problems in our schools and
[16:55] Speaker 1: the napland performance. Kevin Donnelly is of course an expert
[16:58] Speaker 1: when it comes to education, and he joins us, Now, Kevin,
[17:01] Speaker 1: what did you see? Because the headlines are not good,
[17:04] Speaker 1: what does the detail show you about what's happening with
[17:06] Speaker 1: that plan this year?
[17:08] Speaker 14: Well? Good even in Paul, you're right in your introduction.
[17:12] Speaker 14: I wrote a book twenty two years ago why our
[17:15] Speaker 14: schools are failing, and I did a bit of research.
[17:18] Speaker 14: I found out that over a third of our students
[17:21] Speaker 14: were unsatisfactory when it came to literacy humracy. Twenty two
[17:26] Speaker 14: years later, we still have the same problem. There have
[17:30] Speaker 14: been generations of young people who've gone through primary and
[17:33] Speaker 14: secondary school not being properly educated in terms of the basics.
[17:38] Speaker 14: So it's an issue that's been there for many, many years,
[17:41] Speaker 14: and today's results don't show any real improvement. There are
[17:46] Speaker 14: green shoots every you know, when I look at reading
[17:51] Speaker 14: at year three, when I look at boys' results in
[17:54] Speaker 14: mathematics or numeracy, when I look at girls results in reading,
[17:58] Speaker 14: there are slight improvements, but overall it's still a very
[18:02] Speaker 14: damning indictment of those responsible for our schools over the
[18:06] Speaker 14: last twenty two years.
[18:07] Speaker 1: And we've basically had the same picture for that twenty
[18:11] Speaker 1: two years, even before you wrote the book, which is
[18:14] Speaker 1: the only solution is money, not reorganization. And then they
[18:17] Speaker 1: say in the education ministers out there saying, well, we
[18:19] Speaker 1: now know the reading wars are over and phonics is
[18:22] Speaker 1: the way to go. Well, guess what, even after the billions,
[18:25] Speaker 1: even after the recalibrations, lots of numbers are a disgrace.
[18:31] Speaker 14: One of the things that Julia Gillard did when she
[18:34] Speaker 14: was Prime Minister was to commission the Gonsky Review of
[18:38] Speaker 14: school funding. I'm sure the viewers are aware of that.
[18:42] Speaker 14: And what happened then was that the Australian Education Union,
[18:46] Speaker 14: the Australian Association, Association Teachers of English, all the academics
[18:50] Speaker 14: at the time said the way to improve results, the
[18:54] Speaker 14: way to strengthen the outcomes money money, money, especially for
[19:01] Speaker 14: government schools. Disadvantaged students. Now it hasn't worked. We've known this.
[19:06] Speaker 14: I've looked at the research internationally and I knew this
[19:09] Speaker 14: thirty four years ago that the best way to really
[19:12] Speaker 14: improve standards is not the money. It's having an academic,
[19:17] Speaker 14: rigorous curriculum, teachers who are subject experts, teachers who been
[19:22] Speaker 14: who've gone through teacher training knowing the subject that they're
[19:26] Speaker 14: about to teach. You need schools that don't accept failure.
[19:30] Speaker 14: For so long have argued disadvantage disadvantage. We need school
[19:35] Speaker 14: the school environment where it's all about doing well, succeeding.
[19:39] Speaker 14: And we need parents in fact to do more in
[19:42] Speaker 14: terms of home, especially when their children are three or
[19:45] Speaker 14: four years old. We need to get rid of the computers,
[19:48] Speaker 14: give children books, printed books, story books, get them used
[19:54] Speaker 14: to print before they go to school.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Yeah. I was noticing today that one of the responses
[19:59] Speaker 1: from that so Wils Education Minister was in fact starting
[20:02] Speaker 1: to talk about paper and pen again and again, focusing
[20:05] Speaker 1: on the analog. Well, great, I knew that, you knew that,
[20:09] Speaker 1: everyone watching knew that. But fashion takes over and fashion
[20:14] Speaker 1: ends up playing with the future of our country.
[20:17] Speaker 14: We've had this fad. You might remember we've spoken about
[20:20] Speaker 14: it before. I'm sure whole language where the idea in
[20:23] Speaker 14: primary school was to teach reading by look and guess,
[20:28] Speaker 14: look at the picture. Now learning to read is totally unnatural.
[20:32] Speaker 14: It has to be taught. You need explicit teaching, You
[20:35] Speaker 14: need teachers to use a phonics, formic to wear approach.
[20:39] Speaker 14: The problem is, and I've spoken to new graduates, most
[20:42] Speaker 14: of our universities, if you look at teacher training, have
[20:46] Speaker 14: gone the other way. They're not teaching phonics and formic
[20:51] Speaker 14: awareness yet. So it's going to take four or five
[20:54] Speaker 14: years for this problem to be addressed at the tertiary level.
[20:59] Speaker 14: And meanwhile our children are suffering. But there are some
[21:02] Speaker 14: schools that are doing well. I have to admit that.
[21:05] Speaker 14: And the question for Jason Clare or Julian Lisa, the
[21:09] Speaker 14: shadow Education spokesman, is to look at those schools that
[21:13] Speaker 14: are doing better and to try and replicate that for
[21:16] Speaker 14: the other schools.
[21:18] Speaker 1: Now, I got two kids in primary school, one is
[21:20] Speaker 1: about to go into high school. Obviously I want nothing
[21:22] Speaker 1: but the best. But when I go to school and
[21:25] Speaker 1: I get a parent teacher at night, and I very
[21:26] Speaker 1: much like their teachers, But what are the questions as
[21:29] Speaker 1: a parent, or maybe as a grandparent from some people
[21:31] Speaker 1: watching that we need to be asking the educators.
[21:36] Speaker 14: Well, it's funny you should ask that. Our daughter, Amelia,
[21:39] Speaker 14: she was in primary school year four back in the day,
[21:43] Speaker 14: we went to a teacher interview and pairing interview and
[21:47] Speaker 14: we realized Jeuria and lie when we sat down with Amelia,
[21:51] Speaker 14: she couldn't read the printed word. So we look at
[21:54] Speaker 14: a book and she stumbled over it. So we asked
[21:57] Speaker 14: the teacher quite rightly, why our daughter read properly, and
[22:02] Speaker 14: the teacher said, oh, you read to your daughter a
[22:06] Speaker 14: toughs We do, and then she said she'll grow into it.
[22:10] Speaker 14: It will come naturally. Now that's rubbish. So if you're
[22:14] Speaker 14: a parent, you need to be very strong. You need
[22:17] Speaker 14: to set your children down every night, if you can
[22:21] Speaker 14: read to them, show them picture books, get them used
[22:24] Speaker 14: to print. And if they're having trouble, please go up
[22:27] Speaker 14: to the school and tell the teacher that they're not
[22:30] Speaker 14: doing their job properly. And this is too important just
[22:34] Speaker 14: to ignore it.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Last one here, and I'm going to use the national
[22:37] Speaker 1: television show to ask a very personal question. Here, my
[22:39] Speaker 1: girls will be throwing something in the television, but that
[22:42] Speaker 1: they do read the traditional books, but increasingly this generation
[22:47] Speaker 1: likes a graphic novel as well. Right now, I'm not
[22:49] Speaker 1: talking about a comic book, and I'm not talking about
[22:51] Speaker 1: you know, it is this sort of hybrid. It is
[22:53] Speaker 1: the halfway point. Is that okay when you are trying
[22:57] Speaker 1: to put together a love of the physical form, or
[23:01] Speaker 1: is there a danger of too much of it? I
[23:02] Speaker 1: think my girls are on the right side of it.
[23:04] Speaker 1: But what's what's your advice again, because there be people
[23:06] Speaker 1: who see it and think their kids are just reading
[23:09] Speaker 1: comic books. They're not. It's something higher than that.
[23:14] Speaker 14: I mean, that's a great question. And I know when
[23:16] Speaker 14: I was a little boy, we love Mad magazine. Yeah, well,
[23:20] Speaker 14: some of your viewers will remember, and that was hilarious.
[23:24] Speaker 14: But when I look at a lot of the comic books,
[23:27] Speaker 14: I told them, comic books, a lot of the picture
[23:31] Speaker 14: books for young children, a lot of it is quite graphic.
[23:34] Speaker 14: It's quite woke, it's quite distressing in some ways. So again,
[23:39] Speaker 14: you just need to be very careful as a parent
[23:42] Speaker 14: that you monitor what they're looking at, because you know,
[23:46] Speaker 14: I went to see The Odyssey the other day, even
[23:49] Speaker 14: though it's not a very good film, I'd argue, but
[23:52] Speaker 14: those myths and legends, I think they're more important. There
[23:56] Speaker 14: are lots of very good books about fables, about fairy tales,
[24:01] Speaker 14: and I think that's what young kids need to know
[24:04] Speaker 14: about because that has a great impact in terms of
[24:07] Speaker 14: their emotional and their intellectual and even their spiritual development.
[24:12] Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Look, we'll have a chat about the
[24:14] Speaker 1: Odyssey at another time. Even though it isn't a perfect film,
[24:17] Speaker 1: I do want people to see it because if nothing else,
[24:19] Speaker 1: the attention has been required for three hours is better
[24:22] Speaker 1: than a TikTok video. It's better than just flicking through
[24:24] Speaker 1: something on your phone. Right, and Alfredine Newman I know
[24:27] Speaker 1: his work as well, fantastic man of course from Mad magazine,
[24:30] Speaker 1: and that folding bit at the back was always blew
[24:32] Speaker 1: my mind out. They were able to do that. Thank you, Kevin.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you, mate.
[24:36] Speaker 14: Why mean worry?
[24:37] Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly exactly there he is ala. I was going
[24:41] Speaker 1: to say not Alfredine Newman would of course, fan ofies
[24:43] Speaker 1: been Kevin Donley. All right, I arrest of a throat.
[24:45] Speaker 1: We get some guests in here in a moment star
[24:47] Speaker 1: no looks, no left, He's Megan Kelly, thank you very
[24:49] Speaker 1: much for sticking with us tonight we battle on out
[24:52] Speaker 1: the option, right, thank you so much for what with
[25:00] Speaker 1: me here to help carry the load? Is none of
[25:02] Speaker 1: them two lovely ladies here in the man cave, which
[25:05] Speaker 1: now is the person?
[25:06] Speaker 3: No, no, don't you bend the need of that nonsense.
[25:12] Speaker 3: It's the man cave and we are happy to be
[25:15] Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here.
[25:15] Speaker 5: I'm so happy.
[25:16] Speaker 1: I love this. We're not for but the full power
[25:20] Speaker 1: of the lot, and I understand. All right. So do
[25:25] Speaker 1: you think that this government is fitting him about clipping
[25:27] Speaker 1: the migration question or it is all just a way
[25:29] Speaker 1: of make it seem like that.
[25:31] Speaker 15: Oh of course, it's just a way of making it
[25:33] Speaker 15: seem like that. This is a house divided, There is
[25:35] Speaker 15: no doubt about that. They're trying to like tinker around
[25:38] Speaker 15: the edges. But you know, there are in a lot
[25:39] Speaker 15: of problems here. We know that migration needs to be curbed.
[25:43] Speaker 15: I mean, the economics support this, and this is why
[25:45] Speaker 15: the Liberal Party is going really hard on this because
[25:48] Speaker 15: economically it is just not sustainable for this country to
[25:50] Speaker 15: keep bringing people in. Look, yes we need skilled migrants,
[25:54] Speaker 15: yes of course we do.
[25:55] Speaker 16: But there are a lot of.
[25:56] Speaker 15: Things that we need to curb, and one of them
[25:58] Speaker 15: is migration. But it is also in the wheelhouse of
[26:01] Speaker 15: people who vote labor, so they are going to be
[26:04] Speaker 15: walking a really fine line here well.
[26:06] Speaker 1: But also I love this thing that I saw Lucy
[26:08] Speaker 1: inside the fine print, which was we're going to focus
[26:11] Speaker 1: in on essentially people who are already here, giving people
[26:14] Speaker 1: who are the temporaries a chance. So it's not actually
[26:17] Speaker 1: about changing the numbers. It's still going to be an
[26:19] Speaker 1: increasing population via a different form of paperwork.
[26:23] Speaker 3: And effectively validates what Paulin Hanson came out and said
[26:26] Speaker 3: that She said that they're lying, and that all they're
[26:28] Speaker 3: going to be doing is tinkering with the numbers, and
[26:30] Speaker 3: the numbers don't lie. And that's why I find it
[26:32] Speaker 3: so difficult to have this conversation, because there is a
[26:35] Speaker 3: genuine need for us to debate the metrics. Right, this
[26:38] Speaker 3: is about the volume of people coming into the country,
[26:41] Speaker 3: but labor time and time again, especially the more radical
[26:44] Speaker 3: factions within the left, choose to weaponize this discussion and
[26:49] Speaker 3: this debate and start calling you all sorts of names
[26:52] Speaker 3: and slurs. You're a bigot, you're a racist, you're a xenophobe.
[26:56] Speaker 16: It's got nothing to do with that.
[26:57] Speaker 3: Let's look at the metrics, right, treasury of four two
[27:00] Speaker 3: hundred and forty five k Okay, that's down on what
[27:03] Speaker 3: we saw in the twenty five twenty six financial year
[27:05] Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty thousand people. The year before that
[27:09] Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five three hundred and six thousand.
[27:13] Speaker 3: Of course we saw over five hundred kick in after COVID,
[27:16] Speaker 3: But essentially these are numbers that are not sustainable, whether
[27:20] Speaker 3: it comes you know, whether it concerns housing, whether it
[27:22] Speaker 3: concerns healthcare.
[27:24] Speaker 16: Infrastructure, schooling. We are a nation under pressure, well.
[27:28] Speaker 1: And this is it. And I know that lots of
[27:29] Speaker 1: people sort of want to argue the cultural side of it.
[27:32] Speaker 1: I think that the best place to argue, to avoid
[27:34] Speaker 1: all of the off ramps a year, is just to
[27:37] Speaker 1: talk about rule numbers. Right, The idea that this country
[27:40] Speaker 1: thirty years ago eighteen million people, twenty eight now, thirty
[27:43] Speaker 1: years from now, we're on our way towards fifty. Right.
[27:47] Speaker 1: No one thinks of the infrastructure. I mean you've had experience,
[27:49] Speaker 1: of course in local government. The idea that any suburb
[27:53] Speaker 1: can grow by one thousand, fivey ten, thousand in between
[27:56] Speaker 1: local government elections. Massive problem.
[28:00] Speaker 15: Yeah. I mean we're looking at it right now in
[28:01] Speaker 15: New South Wales, particularly in Waverley, which is the area
[28:04] Speaker 15: that I represent as the Liberal counselor.
[28:06] Speaker 16: It is becoming an issue.
[28:07] Speaker 15: We've got a state government that is saying you need
[28:10] Speaker 15: to have uplift, you need to have all these people.
[28:12] Speaker 15: With lara Is being forced to take on twenty thousand people.
[28:15] Speaker 15: We were pretty smart. We came forward with our own
[28:17] Speaker 15: master plan to revitalize so we could curb the state
[28:21] Speaker 15: significant development. Now, the SSDs that are going to go up,
[28:24] Speaker 15: they're going to force a lot of uplift and they're
[28:26] Speaker 15: going to force a lot of people into a short.
[28:27] Speaker 16: Amount of space.
[28:28] Speaker 15: I get that we have the infrastructure, it makes sense
[28:31] Speaker 15: to put it in certain areas, but there are some
[28:33] Speaker 15: areas that simply cannot sustain that level of uplift.
[28:37] Speaker 1: Well. And also, don't forget with all of this too,
[28:39] Speaker 1: there's all these clever little things within things. Right if
[28:42] Speaker 1: that is nothing but the lesson of this program, right
[28:45] Speaker 1: and inevitably right with new development, there are certain councils
[28:48] Speaker 1: that turn around and say, well, there'll be no carspots
[28:50] Speaker 1: with these new five thousand units right, because it's all
[28:53] Speaker 1: about making sure that it's only public transport. But that
[28:56] Speaker 1: only works if you are within a walk of like
[28:59] Speaker 1: rail bust in the Julio.
[29:00] Speaker 3: I used to live in the east like seven years ago,
[29:03] Speaker 3: there were still no car parks then, correct, So only
[29:06] Speaker 3: imagine what further pressure is going to do from a sheer.
[29:10] Speaker 16: Volume standpoint to car parks through accessibility being able to
[29:14] Speaker 16: get around.
[29:14] Speaker 3: I mean, I dive back into BONDI occasion with the
[29:16] Speaker 3: kids now, especially when it comes to summer time, it's impossible.
[29:22] Speaker 7: It's true.
[29:23] Speaker 16: Hey, I live there, so I can comment, and it's
[29:25] Speaker 16: from lived experience.
[29:26] Speaker 3: There have been times where I've gone there, haven't been
[29:27] Speaker 3: able to park and gone sorry, kids, it's off to
[29:29] Speaker 3: the public pool today.
[29:30] Speaker 16: So it's specific, but people aren't considering this.
[29:36] Speaker 3: And then you've also got the number of over four
[29:39] Speaker 3: hundred and thirteen thousand people on bridging visas, and then
[29:42] Speaker 3: that also you know, it doesn't factor in the people
[29:45] Speaker 3: who were going in time and time again on appeals
[29:47] Speaker 3: and trying to find a recourse through the court system,
[29:50] Speaker 3: which the taxpayer is paying for.
[29:52] Speaker 1: It is in and that's where I think that the
[29:55] Speaker 1: game is here. Right bridging visas. Don't be surprised if,
[29:58] Speaker 1: rather than hey come over already hear process, process, process,
[30:02] Speaker 1: so that the numbers will grow artificially through the choices
[30:06] Speaker 1: of government. All right, Naplan Obviously I just spoke about
[30:09] Speaker 1: it with Kevin, but you've written about this in part
[30:11] Speaker 1: in connection with the paul In Hanson protest stuff that
[30:14] Speaker 1: will happen next week. To me, we have seen this
[30:17] Speaker 1: story for as long as I've had access to one
[30:19] Speaker 1: of these, and one of those, which is, no matter
[30:21] Speaker 1: how much money we put in, we go backwards. That
[30:24] Speaker 1: is a national disgrace. But it seems like as long
[30:26] Speaker 1: as you come out of lefty, that's all it really matters.
[30:29] Speaker 16: And it's disappointing.
[30:30] Speaker 3: And I've referenced it in the column today because and
[30:33] Speaker 3: I'm not certainly drawing direct correlations between what we're seeing
[30:38] Speaker 3: with ambitions to protest against Pauline Hanson and NAPLAN results.
[30:41] Speaker 16: But the reason I referenced Naplan.
[30:43] Speaker 3: Results is because you've got now one third of students
[30:45] Speaker 3: that are failing to meet literacy and numerousy expectations, right,
[30:50] Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of kids who are so markedly behind
[30:53] Speaker 3: that you've got academics at Latrobe University calling it a
[30:56] Speaker 3: national tragedy. What are we doing to address all of
[31:00] Speaker 3: these things as a nation? As you said there, time
[31:02] Speaker 3: and time again, we're seeing these stories. And I know
[31:04] Speaker 3: that Naplan from twenty twenty three introduced much more stricter
[31:08] Speaker 3: and harsher marking methods, which is why we've seen more
[31:11] Speaker 3: of a decline in results. But if you can't meet
[31:14] Speaker 3: basic standards, we need to find out why. So I
[31:17] Speaker 3: reference the Naplan results at a time where what we're
[31:20] Speaker 3: seeing is high schoolers and university students give more of
[31:24] Speaker 3: a damn about the evils of capitalism and suggesting that
[31:27] Speaker 3: capitalism is the fault of the nation and that capitalism
[31:31] Speaker 3: is the reason why sexism exists.
[31:33] Speaker 16: I mean, I'm watching these kids who could have.
[31:34] Speaker 3: Been no older than poorly maybe fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, screeching
[31:39] Speaker 3: into a camera and thinking about taking a day off
[31:41] Speaker 3: because you know, socialism's the way.
[31:44] Speaker 16: It's absolute and utter nonsense.
[31:46] Speaker 3: So there are several conversations that we can have within
[31:48] Speaker 3: all of this, but I think we need to highlight
[31:50] Speaker 3: the fact that we need to be doing more as
[31:53] Speaker 3: a nation and addressing why our kids are falling behind.
[31:55] Speaker 10: Well.
[31:55] Speaker 1: Also, look, it's this thing and it's no grain revelation
[31:57] Speaker 1: if you've been paying attention. I've said it a few times, right,
[32:00] Speaker 1: Why functioning dyslexic when you have ADHD bouncing around in
[32:03] Speaker 1: my head? Yah, and being a parent trying to help
[32:07] Speaker 1: kids get their head around things right and they inevitably
[32:10] Speaker 1: they inherit a bit of this, a bit of that.
[32:12] Speaker 1: This is the opportunity to improve yourself. Education is the
[32:15] Speaker 1: opportunity to improve yourself, to be able to start to
[32:19] Speaker 1: have the tools to be able to overcome whatever it
[32:21] Speaker 1: is that maybe your mum and dad or your parents had.
[32:24] Speaker 1: Now I've obviously had a great run, and there are
[32:27] Speaker 1: plenty of people who may not even be hearing of
[32:31] Speaker 1: this program, but they are sitting in a world of pain.
[32:34] Speaker 1: And I think that the emphasis is all about all
[32:35] Speaker 1: that other crap rather than whoever you are struggling kid
[32:39] Speaker 1: at the back versus the show off at the front,
[32:41] Speaker 1: trying to help everyone get to a place that's better
[32:44] Speaker 1: than when you walked in.
[32:45] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[32:45] Speaker 16: Absolutely.
[32:45] Speaker 15: I mean I have a thirteen year old boy and
[32:47] Speaker 15: I see it with him as well.
[32:49] Speaker 16: Your twenty eight it's only a day over twenty one.
[32:53] Speaker 15: No, but he you know, he really struggled when he
[32:55] Speaker 15: was younger, and he's like put the time and the
[32:56] Speaker 15: effort in. But we are seeing a lot of that
[32:59] Speaker 15: kind of ideaology seeping into the classroom and less about
[33:02] Speaker 15: like the basics than the math and all of that.
[33:04] Speaker 15: But another really interesting point, and I've heard a lot
[33:06] Speaker 15: of people speak about this, these are children that are
[33:09] Speaker 15: also from a COVID era as well.
[33:10] Speaker 16: So they have learned it ruined them.
[33:13] Speaker 1: They hate every week who made that choice.
[33:16] Speaker 15: And it really ruined them because what they're saying, there
[33:19] Speaker 15: is a correlation between children taking days off and not
[33:22] Speaker 15: taking school as seriously because they were never taught to
[33:25] Speaker 15: go during a pandemic.
[33:27] Speaker 16: So I do think we need to take that into consideration.
[33:29] Speaker 15: I do think we have we have a whole generation
[33:33] Speaker 15: who are growing up who thinking it's okay if they
[33:35] Speaker 15: have a little sore throat or if they have a headache,
[33:37] Speaker 15: that they can lie in bed all day.
[33:38] Speaker 3: Correct and then sprinkle in a bit of socialism ideology
[33:41] Speaker 3: and where you blame the government for all of your
[33:44] Speaker 3: problems and say that taxing the reach is the only
[33:46] Speaker 3: way out of.
[33:46] Speaker 16: This, and all of a sudden you got a cocktail
[33:48] Speaker 16: of disaster. Here the women go on, then go on
[33:55] Speaker 16: the men.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Now, Tenure has a good point. Relax, everyone sattle now
[34:02] Speaker 1: because she's pointed out how images are one thing that
[34:06] Speaker 1: end up being used for a completely different purpose. Right,
[34:09] Speaker 1: So this is an original photo of a bunch of
[34:13] Speaker 1: front benches inside the parliament, but then AI has turned
[34:17] Speaker 1: it all around where they're all suddenly now in designer outfits. Now,
[34:21] Speaker 1: let's be honest. If you are the average person, and
[34:24] Speaker 1: I know that plenty of times you've of course appeared
[34:28] Speaker 1: on the quizzical program being asked is it real AI?
[34:30] Speaker 1: Not both of you?
[34:31] Speaker 16: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, You've got a good skill.
[34:34] Speaker 15: I'm look, I could tell that that was AI just
[34:37] Speaker 15: simply because they wouldn't dress that well in parliament.
[34:40] Speaker 16: I had to see a parliamentary interest so.
[34:42] Speaker 3: Well, but.
[34:44] Speaker 16: If they want to, they's the crime they could.
[34:47] Speaker 15: But look, I do think she makes a really valid
[34:49] Speaker 15: point here, and there is something that we really need
[34:51] Speaker 15: to discuss, and that is the is the permissiveness of AI,
[34:55] Speaker 15: particularly when it comes to media, and particularly when it
[34:59] Speaker 15: comes to what people are consuming. We're looking at TikTok,
[35:02] Speaker 15: We're looking at social media. That is how people are
[35:04] Speaker 15: consuming news right now. They are ready and willing to
[35:07] Speaker 15: believe anything because it's being served to them on a
[35:09] Speaker 15: silver platter. Not to mention our children being served, you know, fakes,
[35:13] Speaker 15: all kinds of messes.
[35:15] Speaker 1: Well, but what's interesting And again, you know my kids
[35:18] Speaker 1: do this. They like the game of being able to say,
[35:21] Speaker 1: you know, that's fake, dad. Yeah, they love to point
[35:23] Speaker 1: it out to you. Right that said, technology only gets better,
[35:27] Speaker 1: where there's going to be times when and again, this
[35:30] Speaker 1: was the game that you played on Telly with James Biferson,
[35:33] Speaker 1: that real stuff sometimes looks fake. Fake stuff sometimes look real.
[35:37] Speaker 1: And that's the frightening part of where we're edded here, right, Yeah.
[35:39] Speaker 3: Good luck trying to stop this? Now, what do you do?
[35:42] Speaker 3: How do you actually police this? How do you legislate it?
[35:45] Speaker 3: How do you manage it? And I mean, I know
[35:47] Speaker 3: that there are so many exciting elements to the advent
[35:50] Speaker 3: of AI. I listened to the podcast with Elon Musk.
[35:52] Speaker 3: I mean, the world that he's painting and predicting years
[35:55] Speaker 3: from now is so frinny divorced from reality. But you know,
[36:00] Speaker 3: and then I speak to other academics, people who are very,
[36:03] Speaker 3: very intelligent and well versed in this space who actually
[36:05] Speaker 3: say that it's.
[36:06] Speaker 16: Not something that we should fear.
[36:08] Speaker 3: Yes, there are going to be little, you know, side
[36:10] Speaker 3: street consequences like this where we don't really like it.
[36:13] Speaker 3: I mean, even as a journalist, the amount of things
[36:16] Speaker 3: that I have to fact check now, look over time
[36:19] Speaker 3: and time again, I actually would argue that it's a
[36:21] Speaker 3: lot harder now because you don't know what's fact and
[36:23] Speaker 3: what's fiction. But I dare say that even though people
[36:27] Speaker 3: are being braced for this world where we're not using
[36:29] Speaker 3: as much of our brains, we're being tested a lot
[36:32] Speaker 3: more now than ever before.
[36:33] Speaker 16: You have to use discernment.
[36:35] Speaker 3: There is more critical thinking involved and research and investigation
[36:40] Speaker 3: is what I'm getting the truth?
[36:41] Speaker 16: Or is this misinformation?
[36:42] Speaker 15: We're just forming more nearal pathways, just in different ways.
[36:50] Speaker 1: Now. As you know, cigarettes long gone from the public square,
[36:54] Speaker 1: certainly from their ability to be connected to sport. The
[36:57] Speaker 1: movie is on right now when it comes to gambling
[36:59] Speaker 1: advertised and guess what's on its way next, booze bands.
[37:02] Speaker 1: Why because apparently every major football team but it male
[37:07] Speaker 1: or female, be at AFL, rugby, union, soccer, whatever, has
[37:10] Speaker 1: some connection to alcohol sponsorship. Now I might get myself
[37:15] Speaker 1: into trouble here. I don't mind because at the end
[37:18] Speaker 1: of every message, you drink responsibly and if you go
[37:20] Speaker 1: too far, that's not the fault of the advertiser in
[37:24] Speaker 1: my view at this stage. But they love this is
[37:27] Speaker 1: the case. It's built the same way every time, which is,
[37:29] Speaker 1: look where it is, Look how dangerous it is, ban
[37:32] Speaker 1: at ban a, ban at banner.
[37:34] Speaker 16: I do think it's.
[37:35] Speaker 15: A really fine line here because on one hand, we
[37:38] Speaker 15: do have like the issues that are surrounding alcohol and.
[37:42] Speaker 16: Also people in sport.
[37:44] Speaker 15: We do know that, you know, domestic violence instances do
[37:47] Speaker 15: go on the rise on Grand Final nights. We do
[37:49] Speaker 15: know that that is a problem. But on the other hand,
[37:51] Speaker 15: of people can make their own decisions. People are quite
[37:55] Speaker 15: capable of understanding that this is bad, that they should
[37:58] Speaker 15: not be overindulging, and that you know, it could lead
[38:01] Speaker 15: to some really nasty consequences. I think we need to
[38:04] Speaker 15: take government out of things a little bit more.
[38:06] Speaker 16: Chakharra.
[38:07] Speaker 15: I'm a liberal and maybe let's just rely on people
[38:10] Speaker 15: being able to make their own minds up.
[38:12] Speaker 3: Thank you very much, because you know what, it's refreshing
[38:15] Speaker 3: to hear because I think so many people obviously look
[38:18] Speaker 3: at the two issues right which we see, you know,
[38:21] Speaker 3: the very sad and dire consequences of both substance abuse
[38:24] Speaker 3: of both gambling, addictions, etc. I've seen firsthand how it
[38:28] Speaker 3: can destroy families and lives. And I know also that
[38:32] Speaker 3: we've seen that evidence that Luke Baateman, the former canber
[38:35] Speaker 3: Raider player, gave in the Senate inquiry this week, which
[38:37] Speaker 3: is very confronting and very jarring. And I don't want
[38:40] Speaker 3: to sound insensitive when I make the following points or
[38:43] Speaker 3: become a headline tomorrow, but do you know what I
[38:45] Speaker 3: really struggle with people constantly blaming external.
[38:49] Speaker 16: Forces when we exist in a world where.
[38:51] Speaker 3: Choice is the first, very first thing that.
[38:54] Speaker 16: Is at your disposal.
[38:56] Speaker 3: My husband was a former professional footballer, right, He's never
[38:59] Speaker 3: touched drugs, and when we got together, I knew exactly
[39:01] Speaker 3: where he was at every minute of the day because
[39:03] Speaker 3: he was at home with me every night. He took
[39:05] Speaker 3: his career very seriously. I had brothers represent this country
[39:08] Speaker 3: as well. I've seen people have it all and blow
[39:11] Speaker 3: it all, not because of the fault of the substance,
[39:14] Speaker 3: because of the decisions that they made. And I think
[39:17] Speaker 3: we have to be very fair and brutal in this
[39:19] Speaker 3: Alcohol is legal, soul cigarettes, and so is gambling. And
[39:23] Speaker 3: for as long as they are as evil as they
[39:25] Speaker 3: can be for the vast majority of people who use
[39:28] Speaker 3: them responsibly, I think we got to let leave a
[39:32] Speaker 3: little bit.
[39:32] Speaker 1: There is no doubt that you will be the most
[39:34] Speaker 1: loving and wonderful wife. But God, if you loved.
[39:36] Speaker 10: You, he has, he has.
[39:40] Speaker 3: He admitted to me the other day he went fishing
[39:42] Speaker 3: with his mates, and I said, guess what, darling, I
[39:44] Speaker 3: lied to you too one time I went to the
[39:46] Speaker 3: casino with a girlfriend while.
[39:47] Speaker 16: Your parents were visiting.
[39:49] Speaker 1: Hour even that look come of the wait to talk
[40:01] Speaker 1: to our favorite person in the world, the one, the only,
[40:02] Speaker 1: the one off Meghan Careley. Meghan, how are you any
[40:05] Speaker 1: tips for how to fix this?
[40:07] Speaker 8: I just tea with honey, That's all I ever do.
[40:09] Speaker 10: And if it gets really bad, you've got to resort
[40:11] Speaker 10: to the steroid chorus, which gives you on our roid
[40:15] Speaker 10: rage but actually does tamp down the throat inflammation.
[40:18] Speaker 8: So let's hope it doesn't come to that.
[40:20] Speaker 1: Now. I want to focus in on one subject tonight.
[40:22] Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about these new far left politicians
[40:27] Speaker 1: that have turned up, but there is a particular sort
[40:30] Speaker 1: of America hating and frankly white hating angle to at
[40:34] Speaker 1: least one of them. This is somebody who wants to
[40:36] Speaker 1: be a governor in a state, and previously they've said
[40:40] Speaker 1: that they want to cancel things like the American holiday
[40:43] Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving. Watch her dance around that.
[40:47] Speaker 11: Now, do you still believe that Thanksgiving should be canceled.
[40:53] Speaker 17: I'm a chef, and one of the first meals that
[40:56] Speaker 17: I made that was for the community when I was sixteen,
[41:02] Speaker 17: was a Thanksgiving meal. But Thanksgiving is also a time
[41:06] Speaker 17: that's incredibly painful for many people in our communities.
[41:09] Speaker 1: But this isn't the only stupid that this woman has said.
[41:12] Speaker 1: In fact, she's got a problem with whatness.
[41:15] Speaker 18: I wasn't always aware of the struggles of other communities
[41:18] Speaker 18: of color, because for me, a simulation always kind of
[41:21] Speaker 18: took over, And so I did marry in proximity to
[41:27] Speaker 18: whiteness continues, right, I'm my son is biracial. He's half
[41:32] Speaker 18: white and half Korean.
[41:33] Speaker 10: Okay, So her name is Francesca Hang and she's running
[41:36] Speaker 10: for governor of Wisconsin on the Democrat ticket.
[41:39] Speaker 8: So she wants to win this primary. And then she's
[41:42] Speaker 8: going to run against.
[41:42] Speaker 10: The Republican if she gets it, and she's overwhelmingly favored
[41:45] Speaker 10: to get the nomination. Amazingly, the last two polls I've
[41:48] Speaker 10: seen put her up thirty points over her Democratic opponent,
[41:52] Speaker 10: and then the more recent one up twenty two points.
[41:54] Speaker 10: But I mean, we were talking massive double digits for
[41:56] Speaker 10: this woman, and it's inexplicable. Look at her, and I mean,
[42:02] Speaker 10: listen to her for two minutes, one minute, we'll do it.
[42:06] Speaker 10: You can see she is a radical nutcase. I mean,
[42:10] Speaker 10: there's something like deeply wrong with this person. She wants
[42:16] Speaker 10: to get rid of the Pentagon, the US Senate, prisons,
[42:23] Speaker 10: also the Presidency. She would like to get rid of
[42:27] Speaker 10: police as well. So I've got prisons, the police, the Pentagon,
[42:32] Speaker 10: the Presidency, the US Senate. So we're going to have
[42:35] Speaker 10: a unicameral legislative government above us, none of which I
[42:40] Speaker 10: mean this basically requires us to not basically it does
[42:43] Speaker 10: require us to throw out the US Constitution and start ANEW,
[42:49] Speaker 10: so really meaningful reform she's pushing for. Obviously, she wants
[42:51] Speaker 10: to defund ice and all of that, and Medicare for
[42:54] Speaker 10: all and a thirty two hour work week, you know, mandated.
[42:57] Speaker 8: Like, you can't change it.
[42:58] Speaker 10: Okay, I can't wait to see who's going to pay
[43:01] Speaker 10: for all that. But this is These are her proposals,
[43:04] Speaker 10: and her latest pitch has been to say that she
[43:08] Speaker 10: understands she gets white privilege because she's Asian, but that
[43:14] Speaker 10: her son is half Korean and half white, and therefore
[43:18] Speaker 10: she's been in the proximity of whiteness.
[43:22] Speaker 8: And she sees she sees what that will do for someone.
[43:25] Speaker 8: She speaks, of course, of her ten year old son.
[43:30] Speaker 10: So she is willing to bastardize her own child and
[43:34] Speaker 10: his privacy for the sake of getting a leg up
[43:36] Speaker 10: on the whiteness argument. It's not that she can see
[43:40] Speaker 10: how well whites have it with her eyes, and she.
[43:44] Speaker 8: Wasn't content to make the argument that way.
[43:45] Speaker 10: She had to throw her son under the bus because
[43:48] Speaker 10: whatever advantage Junior is getting, I guess we're left to
[43:51] Speaker 10: presume is as a result of.
[43:53] Speaker 16: The white half.
[43:54] Speaker 10: Like people are looking at this mixed race child, and
[43:57] Speaker 10: while they may see that he looks slightly Asian, he's.
[44:01] Speaker 8: White enough that he's getting the advantages. That's how I
[44:03] Speaker 8: follow her logic.
[44:04] Speaker 10: To be perfectly honest, she was unclear there as she
[44:07] Speaker 10: has been in virtually everything that she has said. But yeah,
[44:10] Speaker 10: she is definitely touting her son's whiteness as the reason
[44:14] Speaker 10: why she understands the proximity is why she understands what
[44:19] Speaker 10: whiteness means in America.
[44:20] Speaker 1: But also, this is just babel rod like college babel
[44:25] Speaker 1: adjacent to watteness. What the hell does that even mean?
[44:29] Speaker 8: Why doesn't she just stick with him?
[44:31] Speaker 10: I or you know, like a neighbor, someone you've met, Like,
[44:35] Speaker 10: it's not hard to find white people, at least.
[44:38] Speaker 8: Yet in the United States. I pick anyone and make
[44:41] Speaker 8: your argument.
[44:42] Speaker 10: Who who would have the instincts of throwing their child
[44:46] Speaker 10: into the debate in this way?
[44:48] Speaker 8: I mean, now everybody's going to want to get a
[44:50] Speaker 8: picture of that kid.
[44:51] Speaker 10: Now they're going to post him in the newspaper and say,
[44:54] Speaker 10: here he is half Korean, half white, like.
[44:57] Speaker 8: She's opening him up to fair game sport.
[45:00] Speaker 10: And there are evil doers who will take advantage of that,
[45:03] Speaker 10: and says, I mean, like, look, we never did this
[45:06] Speaker 10: when Tim Walls put his daughter up at the Democratic
[45:10] Speaker 10: National Convention.
[45:11] Speaker 8: But plenty of people did.
[45:13] Speaker 10: If you want to put your child front and center
[45:15] Speaker 10: in American politics, unfortunately, there will be a nasty crew
[45:18] Speaker 10: that will exploit it.
[45:20] Speaker 1: And making a lot of us complain about what's happening here.
[45:22] Speaker 1: But give me an idea about why you think it's happening.
[45:25] Speaker 1: Is it happening because people are getting crazy? Or is
[45:27] Speaker 1: it happening because the Republicans got crazier? Is it happening
[45:30] Speaker 1: because people are so desperate in search of an answer
[45:33] Speaker 1: that they're willing to go to the crizy end of
[45:35] Speaker 1: the pond to get it.
[45:37] Speaker 10: I think it's two things. I think it's Israel and
[45:41] Speaker 10: it's economic pain. They genuinely are in economic pain. And
[45:45] Speaker 10: even though the objective measures of the economy show it
[45:48] Speaker 10: is improving under Trump. The problem with inflation is it
[45:52] Speaker 10: doesn't really go away. You know, once it ran up
[45:54] Speaker 10: to nine sometimes eleven percent under Joe Biden. Unfortunately you're
[46:00] Speaker 10: you're not stuck there forever. But price inflation is now
[46:04] Speaker 10: baked in. So while you can get it down, you
[46:06] Speaker 10: can get inflation down to the threes as it is now,
[46:09] Speaker 10: it's not it was at eleven now it's three. Some
[46:12] Speaker 10: of that eleven is still baked into the three percent number,
[46:16] Speaker 10: and so people really are hurting, and they are correct
[46:21] Speaker 10: to notice that they're paying more for their groceries, for
[46:24] Speaker 10: their homes, for their cars, and now for their gas
[46:28] Speaker 10: thanks to this iron war, and wage growth hasn't kept up.
[46:30] Speaker 10: So they're frustrated. And you know, there's just so many
[46:35] Speaker 10: reasons why they now. All their jobs are being threatened,
[46:37] Speaker 10: the white collar ones with AI, and there seems to
[46:40] Speaker 10: be this sort of shoulder shrug about that too.
[46:42] Speaker 8: No one really cares, so they're feeling resentful.
[46:44] Speaker 1: So good to talk to you, Megan. Enjoy the summer.
[46:47] Speaker 1: I will risk my throat and we will see you.
[46:48] Speaker 8: Nixt white all right, see this and feel better.
[46:55] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Like to buite a
[46:57] Speaker 1: couple of minutes away from now. We all work white
[46:59] Speaker 1: too hot and of course so that means we pay
[47:01] Speaker 1: our taxes. It means we have the politicians, and they
[47:04] Speaker 1: waste that money all day every day, including on staff
[47:06] Speaker 1: members who make bad social media videos for them, including
[47:10] Speaker 1: this one from Patrick Gorman, the labor MP for Perth.
[47:14] Speaker 7: You can achieve a lot in five minutes time. You
[47:17] Speaker 7: can make a cup of tea. You can listen to
[47:19] Speaker 7: any tune, kick a footy, call your mom to say hi.
[47:26] Speaker 1: Oh haw pandury. Well, you could save yourself thirty seconds
[47:30] Speaker 1: of watching that over and over and over again. Feeding
[47:34] Speaker 1: This is another one. This one is about to workplace
[47:37] Speaker 1: changes from a labor MP. Again. You pay for this,
[47:39] Speaker 1: That's why I show you this every single night. You
[47:53] Speaker 1: are kidding again the John Han thing. Welcome back to
[47:55] Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Right, and Ali and who of course
[48:00] Speaker 1: took over from Peter Dudden as the member for Dixon.
[48:03] Speaker 1: What's her social media output at the moment? That has
[48:06] Speaker 1: been very nonchalit?
[48:07] Speaker 16: Man, I don't like being nonchal lived?
[48:08] Speaker 8: Why would I hide the joy guy gave me?
[48:14] Speaker 1: Sorry? I need to see that again because I need
[48:16] Speaker 1: everyone to understand that there was the chance of an
[48:19] Speaker 1: alternative prime minister for this.
[48:23] Speaker 2: That has been very nonchalit.
[48:24] Speaker 16: Man, I don't like being nonchal lived?
[48:25] Speaker 8: Why would I hide the joy guy gave me?
[48:31] Speaker 1: Feeding in these people? Honestly again, it's the patronizing nature
[48:36] Speaker 1: of it. It's talking down to everyone like a kid.
[48:38] Speaker 1: It's also a lovely way of me being able to
[48:41] Speaker 1: try and throw James and the gang off their game
[48:44] Speaker 1: when it comes to the late debate, because I'm sure
[48:46] Speaker 1: they're ready for a very serious discussion and then they
[48:48] Speaker 1: get this is the throw each and every night. We'll
[48:50] Speaker 1: do so again tomorrow night, and make sure you follow
[48:52] Speaker 1: us on the socials, and we'll see you again on
[48:54] Speaker 1: New twenty four

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