# Paul Murray Live | 15 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 15 Jun 2026, 49 min.

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Bills keep rising under Labor, the orange wave sweeps the country. Plus, the Iran deal and UFC fight for Donald Trump's 80th birthday. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Carolyn. Now look, I love watching it. Can't
[0:09] Speaker 1: play sport. I'm officially declared an UNCO by the Institute
[0:12] Speaker 1: of Sport. All right, no question about it. Lovely to
[0:14] Speaker 1: see you there, and hope Jerry's having a wonderful break.
[0:16] Speaker 1: Thank you for watching. If this is your first time
[0:18] Speaker 1: back away last week, thank you very much to Caleb
[0:21] Speaker 1: and to Deanika for taking care of the show. But
[0:23] Speaker 1: we are back and doing what we do best. So
[0:25] Speaker 1: much to to tonight fire. The lie more than four
[0:28] Speaker 1: million dollars, four million dollars and they're putting an ad
[0:31] Speaker 1: on state of origin. How good's this going to be?
[0:33] Speaker 1: But first, as you know, big day for the President
[0:36] Speaker 1: of the United States. He turns eighty, He does the
[0:38] Speaker 1: UFC at the White House. He even does an entrance
[0:41] Speaker 1: for those who remember their old school wrestling. And that
[0:44] Speaker 1: was like Goldberg, one of those long forever ones. But
[0:46] Speaker 1: it was a super red, white, and blue event for
[0:50] Speaker 1: his birthday, but also the two hundred and fiftieth of
[0:51] Speaker 1: the country. His present from the people of Iran, or at
[0:55] Speaker 1: least the government of Iran was finally a peace deal. Now,
[0:58] Speaker 1: whether this lasts long longer than the birthday candles, who knows.
[1:02] Speaker 1: We'll all find out together. Hopefully it's the case. But
[1:04] Speaker 1: as I told you from when this all started, remember
[1:07] Speaker 1: I was only going to be a couple of weeks.
[1:09] Speaker 1: Then it was a month, and now of course it's
[1:11] Speaker 1: been a few months. The main thing was, even when
[1:13] Speaker 1: the bombs stop, the deals assigned, the straight of Her
[1:17] Speaker 1: Moves reopens, and that happens in the next couple of days,
[1:21] Speaker 1: the problems with petrol in Australia will continue. Why because
[1:24] Speaker 1: Australia is a bloody long way from the Straight of
[1:26] Speaker 1: her Moves. Now, the way that Australia gets much and
[1:30] Speaker 1: most of its petrol is that it comes from Asia.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Before it gets to Asia, of course, it comes from
[1:35] Speaker 1: among other places in the Middle East. It is a
[1:37] Speaker 1: long boat ride firstly to the places that refine it
[1:41] Speaker 1: in Asia and then eventually what comes here. But we
[1:44] Speaker 1: have got two weeks Australia, two weeks to get a
[1:48] Speaker 1: government that is so up its own backside that it
[1:51] Speaker 1: often will make bad decisions just so it cannot be
[1:56] Speaker 1: accused of making a decision to anyone they've ever disagreed with.
[2:02] Speaker 1: But a decision that we dragged them to straight after
[2:06] Speaker 1: this war began. Remember how long it took them to
[2:10] Speaker 1: agree to reduce the amount of taxation that they take
[2:16] Speaker 1: from fuel. Before the war, fifty two cents of every
[2:21] Speaker 1: liter of petrol goes to the federal government. Then they
[2:24] Speaker 1: reduced it for a few months to twenty five cents. Well,
[2:29] Speaker 1: June thirty is when it goes back up another twenty
[2:35] Speaker 1: five cents. Once you're thrown together gst all the rest
[2:39] Speaker 1: of it, you eventually get to a bigger number. But
[2:40] Speaker 1: you get the point. Now, Australians are still suffering. Australians
[2:45] Speaker 1: are still hurting. I personally think it is immoral that
[2:49] Speaker 1: the government raises monies in this way. Now. To me,
[2:57] Speaker 1: excise tax is a lazy tax and it is one
[3:01] Speaker 1: that when it comes to fuel, should remain where it
[3:04] Speaker 1: currently is now. It's not a tax that is meant
[3:07] Speaker 1: to go up to create a price. This incentive so
[3:09] Speaker 1: you stop using one thing and you start doing something else.
[3:13] Speaker 1: Because they have done that with tobacco, well nobody has
[3:16] Speaker 1: stopped smoking. And think more people are apparently consuming nicotine
[3:20] Speaker 1: and tobacco than if before. They're just buying all the
[3:22] Speaker 1: crap that doesn't pay the taxes. So you would think
[3:26] Speaker 1: with a government that is already on the back heels
[3:28] Speaker 1: because of one of the most unpopular budgets in a generation,
[3:31] Speaker 1: if not the worst in a generation, that they would
[3:34] Speaker 1: take the easy win and say, you know what, We're
[3:38] Speaker 1: going to extend the cut on fuel taxes that the
[3:41] Speaker 1: government can live without. Oh, we've got this genius in
[3:45] Speaker 1: charge of the money.
[3:48] Speaker 2: Given the impact of your excise cuts to inflation, when
[3:53] Speaker 2: will you decide whether to extend that beyond next month?
[3:57] Speaker 1: Well, we keep that under review.
[3:58] Speaker 3: I mean, it's not our anticipating extending that or expecting
[4:03] Speaker 3: to extend it.
[4:06] Speaker 1: It's the easiest kick in front in front, and as
[4:10] Speaker 1: the Sky News Pulse new edition tomorrow night will have
[4:13] Speaker 1: the details, I'll be standing up and you know it's important.
[4:15] Speaker 1: When I'm standing up with the clipboard, we'll have the
[4:17] Speaker 1: latest numbers for you, but the ones from just a
[4:19] Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. The number one issue by a
[4:21] Speaker 1: country mile is cost of living. It remains cost of living.
[4:25] Speaker 1: This government, in a world of pain, has previously been
[4:28] Speaker 1: able to dig itself out of pain by pretending they
[4:31] Speaker 1: care about the number one issue in the country.
[4:34] Speaker 4: Cost of living, costive living, cost of living, cost of.
[4:37] Speaker 5: Living, cost of living, cost of living, cost of living.
[4:39] Speaker 1: With cost of living and pretending they are going to
[4:42] Speaker 1: do something about.
[4:44] Speaker 4: It, We're helping with the cost of living and making
[4:48] Speaker 4: sure that no one is left behind.
[4:52] Speaker 1: So we have got two weeks, two weeks until June
[4:56] Speaker 1: the thirtieth, two weeks to make the case, to two
[5:00] Speaker 1: weeks to save the government from itself, and most importantly,
[5:03] Speaker 1: two weeks before petrol prices start to go up again.
[5:08] Speaker 1: The expectation is that even though the global law price
[5:10] Speaker 1: has gone slightly down again, the supply chain, we ain't
[5:13] Speaker 1: going back to cheap petrol anytime soon. The idea that
[5:16] Speaker 1: the government at a time when so many people are struggling, well,
[5:20] Speaker 1: they're going to end up in a scenario where they
[5:22] Speaker 1: will be taking more tax. And by the way, the
[5:24] Speaker 1: overall tax take will affect inflation as well, which will
[5:29] Speaker 1: of course feed into interest rates. So my point is
[5:31] Speaker 1: this Prime Minister Treasurer delay it, delay it, delay it
[5:36] Speaker 1: because previously, in the lead up to the last election,
[5:39] Speaker 1: as I showed in great detail last night, cost of living,
[5:42] Speaker 1: ultimately people believed, or enough people believe that the government
[5:47] Speaker 1: had a better idea than the opposition about cost of living,
[5:49] Speaker 1: so it got saved. It's bacon. But today an opinion
[5:53] Speaker 1: poll that came out, this is the Resolve poll that
[5:56] Speaker 1: has Paulin Hanson as the preferred prime minister, says, somebody
[6:00] Speaker 1: else other than Labor, other than the Liberals, is the
[6:03] Speaker 1: party best to deal with cost of living. Prime Minister.
[6:08] Speaker 1: In August of last year, you were the one with
[6:12] Speaker 1: thirty two percent. You were in front of the Libs,
[6:14] Speaker 1: you were in front of somebody else, you were even
[6:16] Speaker 1: in front of undecided. Well, now Labor is dead, level
[6:21] Speaker 1: with undecided and behind somebody else on cost of living.
[6:24] Speaker 1: For goodness sake, for your own sake, I don't care.
[6:27] Speaker 1: For whatever sake, do not increase petrol taxes on June thirty. Now,
[6:36] Speaker 1: as you know, I live in the world of polls
[6:38] Speaker 1: and the data behind the polls, and the data behind
[6:40] Speaker 1: the data behind the data. Not because I'm any smarter
[6:42] Speaker 1: than anyone else looking at them. I just end up
[6:45] Speaker 1: taking the time, and I'm able to find things every
[6:47] Speaker 1: now and then that take a few days, or maybe
[6:50] Speaker 1: even a few weeks in the case of some parts
[6:52] Speaker 1: of the media, like I have been finding it hilarious
[6:56] Speaker 1: to see people starting to write editorials in left wing
[6:59] Speaker 1: news side. It's about, finally, how do we deal with
[7:02] Speaker 1: one nation? How did we not see it coming? It's
[7:05] Speaker 1: been about a month since the first pole started to
[7:08] Speaker 1: tell us that they were at the top of the tree.
[7:09] Speaker 1: Right Well, just as that last poll showed us that
[7:13] Speaker 1: somebody else and somebody else yes means one nation. It
[7:16] Speaker 1: can also mean the Greens, it can mend the Teals,
[7:18] Speaker 1: but generally speaking right now, somebody else means one nation
[7:23] Speaker 1: on those issues that they ask, which party is the
[7:27] Speaker 1: one you think has better control? Is it the Liberal
[7:31] Speaker 1: Party is at the Labor Party? Well, no, somebody else
[7:35] Speaker 1: leads on migration, education, managing the finances, indigenous issues, climate change, welfare, energy,
[7:43] Speaker 1: crime and antisocial behavior, housing affordability and rent. The entire
[7:48] Speaker 1: freaking federal budget supposedly was about housing, affordability and rent.
[7:52] Speaker 1: But as I showed you last night, the number one
[7:55] Speaker 1: political party right now with renters one nation, the number
[7:59] Speaker 1: one political party with people paying off a mortgage one
[8:01] Speaker 1: nation Labor Party going back ten points with that section
[8:05] Speaker 1: of Middle Australia that perfectly matched the result in twenty
[8:09] Speaker 1: twenty five at fifty five forty five between the Labor
[8:12] Speaker 1: Party and the Coalition. This is the wedge that matters.
[8:16] Speaker 1: This is Middle Australia. This is the one that black, white,
[8:20] Speaker 1: brindle gazed straight, pet owning or dog fearing. Have had enough.
[8:26] Speaker 1: They've had enough of the current mob bsing to them.
[8:28] Speaker 1: They've had enough of the previous mob promising to deliver
[8:31] Speaker 1: what they haven't been able to deliver in thirty years.
[8:33] Speaker 1: Hence why we sit where we sit, and why the
[8:35] Speaker 1: headlines sound like this.
[8:38] Speaker 6: Today, more Australians want Pauline Hansen to be Prime Minister
[8:42] Speaker 6: than ever before.
[8:43] Speaker 5: New polls now put her in front of Anthony Albernizi
[8:46] Speaker 5: and Angus Taylor.
[8:47] Speaker 7: As he confronts the Populist Party on the rise.
[8:50] Speaker 1: Rewriting Australian politics as we know it. Pauline Hanson's rocket rise,
[8:55] Speaker 1: seeing her edge out Anthony Alberanzi as preferred Prime Minister.
[9:00] Speaker 1: Ah Now the Prime Minister, however, has worked out. He's
[9:03] Speaker 1: finally worked out how to finally pop this one nation bubble,
[9:07] Speaker 1: to get everyone to return to their corners and enough
[9:09] Speaker 1: people to make sure that Labor becomes either first or
[9:12] Speaker 1: second preference, and he holds onto his job for as
[9:14] Speaker 1: long as he deserves to, which is the rest of
[9:16] Speaker 1: his natural life and the next afterlife and fifteen afterlives
[9:20] Speaker 1: into the future. Is that damn good? This is finally
[9:24] Speaker 1: the question that he thinks, when Australians are confronted with it,
[9:27] Speaker 1: one nation's support will crumble to the ground.
[9:31] Speaker 4: It's easy to identify grievance. The issue is providing solutions.
[9:37] Speaker 4: Think about the global fuel crisis that have just occurred,
[9:42] Speaker 4: and think about whether everyone in public life would be
[9:46] Speaker 4: in a position to go to our Asian friends in Singapore,
[9:50] Speaker 4: in Brunei, in Malaysia, in China, in South Korea and
[9:54] Speaker 4: Japan and say we have a relationship that is important
[9:59] Speaker 4: of mutual interest in our region. We need to make
[10:03] Speaker 4: sure that we continue to have fuel supply.
[10:07] Speaker 1: Hello, Hello Powell. You know that basically everyone by you
[10:12] Speaker 1: and the Greens doesn't believe in needing to go cap
[10:16] Speaker 1: in hand to the rest of the world. In fact,
[10:18] Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, he'll be our guest tonight, gave us brilliant
[10:20] Speaker 1: speech about this at the National Party National Conference this weekend.
[10:25] Speaker 1: If we can build it here, build it here, if
[10:27] Speaker 1: we can drill it here, drill it here, if we
[10:30] Speaker 1: can refine it here, refine it here, stop going to
[10:34] Speaker 1: the rest of the world hoping that we can get
[10:36] Speaker 1: crumbs off their table, bake the loaf here, and when
[10:42] Speaker 1: we're starting to talk about foreign policy, can we just
[10:44] Speaker 1: settle down, because this is often one of the last
[10:47] Speaker 1: places that politicians that have run out of rope get
[10:50] Speaker 1: to right. Domestically, we saw that with the previous government
[10:54] Speaker 1: when they were well, you've never delivered a budget before,
[10:56] Speaker 1: and quite correctly, the opposition that time gets to say, well,
[11:01] Speaker 1: of course we haven't, because we're not in government right.
[11:04] Speaker 1: But conversely, the Labor Party version, I imagine the world scene,
[11:07] Speaker 1: how would the presidents and prime ministers of the rest
[11:09] Speaker 1: of the world handle Australia. I'll tell you politely, because
[11:13] Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're got twenty eight
[11:15] Speaker 1: million consumers and an absolute ton of stuff in our
[11:18] Speaker 1: earth that the rest of the world wants. So no
[11:20] Speaker 1: one's getting kicked out of the classroom. But before we
[11:24] Speaker 1: start pretending that Anthony Albernesi is buttris boutros Ghali two
[11:29] Speaker 1: point zero co fi Yannan the second coming of the
[11:32] Speaker 1: United Nations leader or God forbid, even the policy genius
[11:37] Speaker 1: that is Kevin Rudd. What does foreign policy mean when
[11:42] Speaker 1: it comes to Anthony ALBERESI? Well, pretty simple. Give China
[11:46] Speaker 1: pretty much whatever it wants. Never confront them even when
[11:50] Speaker 1: they almost kill members of the Australian Defense Force. When
[11:55] Speaker 1: it comes to Donald Trump, suck up to him when
[11:57] Speaker 1: you're in the room, But when it's a federal election
[11:59] Speaker 1: campaign campaign against Donald Trump, have it both ways. Dare
[12:03] Speaker 1: I say, when it comes to the Pacific Islands, just
[12:06] Speaker 1: give them the hundreds of millions of dollars that you
[12:09] Speaker 1: would not give the charity sector to feed the poor
[12:12] Speaker 1: in this country. When it comes to anth the Abernesian
[12:15] Speaker 1: foreign policy, will you just get Penny Wong to basically
[12:18] Speaker 1: be the one who's in charge, the one who gives
[12:21] Speaker 1: the middle finger to Israel, the one who demands of
[12:24] Speaker 1: the countries that are attacked by terrorist organizations are the
[12:28] Speaker 1: ones that must have a ceasefire. And she's also the
[12:32] Speaker 1: one who decided to put in place the First Nations Ambassador.
[12:38] Speaker 1: And as Chris Kenny pointed out for you this afternoon,
[12:40] Speaker 1: and I'll show it to you now. Even when asked,
[12:42] Speaker 1: the people who work for Penny Wong can't tell you
[12:45] Speaker 1: what that bloke does. This is the example of foreign
[12:49] Speaker 1: policy under the bloke who says, well, I mean me
[12:52] Speaker 1: like I'm daddy Albo, I'm the only one who knows
[12:56] Speaker 1: how to drive you to school.
[12:59] Speaker 7: Others work being progressed on a strategy in terms of
[13:03] Speaker 7: where the office and where the ambassador can most effectively
[13:07] Speaker 7: deploy their resources.
[13:09] Speaker 1: So has the strategy been developed.
[13:11] Speaker 7: The strategy, the strategic work continues and the strategies in development.
[13:19] Speaker 1: So when do when do you expect the strategy to
[13:22] Speaker 1: be delivered? As was said by miss peak that work
[13:27] Speaker 1: is continuing at the moment, we don't have a confirmed data.
[13:32] Speaker 1: Well they're there strategy.
[13:34] Speaker 2: Sorry, I think I will stand to be corrected, but
[13:41] Speaker 2: I think it's better to understand strategy in terms of
[13:44] Speaker 2: the the direction that has been decided on for the
[13:52] Speaker 2: work of the ambassador. So not a document as such.
[13:56] Speaker 1: What are you talking about, lady? This is the foreign
[14:00] Speaker 1: policy under the Great Penny Wong, under the Great Anthony Aarbernezi.
[14:04] Speaker 1: Well you have a First Nations person running around representing
[14:07] Speaker 1: the country. But what's the office, what's the plan? What
[14:09] Speaker 1: do they do? Oh, don't ask, that's racist. I repeat
[14:13] Speaker 1: opinion polls today the same opinion poles say One Nation
[14:17] Speaker 1: most popular party. Paul Enhanson preferred Prime minister on the
[14:20] Speaker 1: following issues immigration, education, managing the finances, indigenous issues, climate change, welfare, energy,
[14:26] Speaker 1: crime and anti social behavior, housing, affordability and rent. Not Labor,
[14:31] Speaker 1: not the Libs, not the Greens, not the Teals, somebody else,
[14:38] Speaker 1: and that somebody else seems to right now have an
[14:40] Speaker 1: orange tinge like it or not. I happen to think
[14:45] Speaker 1: it's a good thing. When you also start to break
[14:48] Speaker 1: down the support for One Nation and where that is
[14:50] Speaker 1: coming from. Can I show you that it is not
[14:52] Speaker 1: just located in one part of the country. It is
[14:55] Speaker 1: spread across the country. But have a look at these
[14:58] Speaker 1: numbers here in New South Wales one Nation leading political
[15:02] Speaker 1: party thirty percent, Labour twenty eight, Coalition twenty one, New
[15:06] Speaker 1: South Wales the coalition. Sorry. In Victoria, I should say
[15:13] Speaker 1: the Coalition number one at twenty nine, then Labor at
[15:17] Speaker 1: twenty four, then One Nation at twenty three, Queensland one
[15:23] Speaker 1: Nation at thirty one, Coalition at twenty six and sorry,
[15:28] Speaker 1: Labor at twenty six and Coalition at twenty. Now this
[15:33] Speaker 1: is fascinating to see because you can see that number,
[15:37] Speaker 1: particularly when you have a look in each of those states,
[15:40] Speaker 1: you put the coalition together with one nation, you get
[15:42] Speaker 1: a majority. You get a majority, You get a majority.
[15:45] Speaker 1: But remember the only reason you can't start to work
[15:48] Speaker 1: out that these are the dying years and months and
[15:51] Speaker 1: weeks and days of governments is because a third of
[15:55] Speaker 1: Liberal Party voters claim they would prefer to keep labor
[15:58] Speaker 1: in power than to let anyone but the Liberal Party
[16:02] Speaker 1: be in power. Extraordin, extraordin. Now, as you know, the
[16:08] Speaker 1: fire the Lire thing four million bucks, it all started
[16:11] Speaker 1: with Peter Kredline and what she had to say on
[16:13] Speaker 1: her show. It became an absolute firestorm four million bucks.
[16:18] Speaker 1: But again, as I showed you last night, but being
[16:19] Speaker 1: a Sunday night, there's a chance you missed it. So
[16:21] Speaker 1: I've got to make the point again. This is called
[16:23] Speaker 1: a heat map. This is a dot for every donation
[16:25] Speaker 1: that has come to fire the Lire four million bucks.
[16:29] Speaker 1: See how much that is. There are federal electorates all
[16:33] Speaker 1: over that place. And while Victoria might be a scenario
[16:37] Speaker 1: right now where they are not top of the pops,
[16:39] Speaker 1: you can start to see when we go state by state,
[16:41] Speaker 1: just how strong all of this is Queensland, unsurprisingly the southeast,
[16:45] Speaker 1: but it goes all the way up the coast up
[16:47] Speaker 1: to Canns Townsville, Mackay. When it goes to New South Wales,
[16:51] Speaker 1: you can go all the way basically from Tweedheads to
[16:53] Speaker 1: Aubury and there are people that are donating. Of course,
[16:56] Speaker 1: when you get around Sydney, what an absolute class of
[17:01] Speaker 1: donations that are happening all the way from the Hunter Valley,
[17:04] Speaker 1: the central Coast, the north Shore, the heart of the city,
[17:08] Speaker 1: the southerland Shire down towards Woollongong. What an incredible thing
[17:13] Speaker 1: happening there. Have a look in Victoria now again this
[17:17] Speaker 1: map is fascinating because unlike South Australia, there are more
[17:21] Speaker 1: regional seats in Victoria outside of the capital city of
[17:24] Speaker 1: Melbourne than there are regional seats in South Australia outside
[17:28] Speaker 1: of the capital city of Adelaide. And you know how
[17:30] Speaker 1: well One Nation did at the South Australian election. All
[17:32] Speaker 1: of those dots in all of those regional areas, that
[17:34] Speaker 1: is what points to One Nation performance outside of Melbourne,
[17:38] Speaker 1: let alone in the forgotten, ignored and patronized parts of Melbourne,
[17:43] Speaker 1: which brings me to the latest opinion poll again which
[17:47] Speaker 1: is showing in Victoria in the race between Labour's Jisenter Allen,
[17:53] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party is Jess Wilson and still to be
[17:55] Speaker 1: named Leader of One Nation and I think for this
[17:58] Speaker 1: to go from poles and donations to reality, let's see
[18:01] Speaker 1: who that leader is. Twenty twelve hundred people have already
[18:03] Speaker 1: put their hand up saying I want to run for
[18:04] Speaker 1: One Nation because they think they're going to get elected
[18:06] Speaker 1: to the Parliament. And tonight the Resolve poll at the
[18:10] Speaker 1: state level published in the Age, it shows that the
[18:14] Speaker 1: Labor Party is in trouble twenty six twenty six dead
[18:17] Speaker 1: level between the Labor Party and the Coalition the Greens.
[18:21] Speaker 1: Where you throw that on top of the alp still
[18:23] Speaker 1: well short of fifty you start to put together, of
[18:27] Speaker 1: course one Nation and the Liberal Party will guess what happens.
[18:30] Speaker 1: It's time to change a government. In terms of you,
[18:32] Speaker 1: Cinder Allen, what about this question, regardless of how you
[18:36] Speaker 1: intend to vote, do you think just Center Allen and
[18:38] Speaker 1: Labor deserve a fourth term in government? Fifty two percent
[18:42] Speaker 1: of Labor voters say yes, seventy nine percent of Coalition
[18:45] Speaker 1: voters say no, sixty one percent of all voters say no,
[18:50] Speaker 1: eighty eight percent of One Nation voters no, fifty percent
[18:54] Speaker 1: of Greens voters. So Coalition voters, One Nation voters, I
[18:57] Speaker 1: don't care who you put one, I don't care who
[18:59] Speaker 1: you put two. But the only options are the coalition
[19:04] Speaker 1: or One Nation if you want to get rid of labor.
[19:08] Speaker 1: In terms of Jess Wilson, her number is pretty good
[19:10] Speaker 1: here too. Fifty one percent of Labor voters do not
[19:14] Speaker 1: believe that they have passed the threshold of being able
[19:16] Speaker 1: to govern. Forty three percent of One Nation people say
[19:20] Speaker 1: that they have, forty six percent overall believe that they have.
[19:26] Speaker 1: And yes, eighty two percent of coalition voters. So who
[19:28] Speaker 1: are the remaining eighteen percent of coalition voters who don't
[19:32] Speaker 1: think that the coalition is ready to govern yet they're
[19:34] Speaker 1: going to vote for them anyway, please. So, yes, things
[19:37] Speaker 1: are looking good right now for getting rid of the
[19:39] Speaker 1: government in Victoria. But but but, but, but the preferences,
[19:43] Speaker 1: the doubt, all of that still means. And despite the
[19:45] Speaker 1: fact they've got a massive machine down there and One
[19:48] Speaker 1: Nation still hasn't decided who their leader is, Victoria very
[19:51] Speaker 1: much still up in the air. It has not been
[19:54] Speaker 1: lost it has not been one. It cannot be counted
[19:56] Speaker 1: before its chickens hatch. Now, population immigration, mass immigration, here's
[20:05] Speaker 1: the reality. Thirty years ago, ninety ninety six, eighteen million
[20:09] Speaker 1: people lived in Australia. Twenty twenty six, thirty years later,
[20:12] Speaker 1: twenty eight million people live in Australia. That's how big
[20:17] Speaker 1: the population has surged. And you and I know it
[20:19] Speaker 1: all hasn't been babies. Multiple governments for multiple reasons. They
[20:25] Speaker 1: fill the Ponzi scheme. It's better to bring somebody into
[20:29] Speaker 1: the country who is a working age because they can
[20:31] Speaker 1: get a job and pay tax immediately, rather than a
[20:33] Speaker 1: kid that is born in this country. They've got to
[20:35] Speaker 1: wait a whole eighteen years for them to become an adult,
[20:38] Speaker 1: depending on when they get a job or not. They
[20:40] Speaker 1: might do it at sixteen, they might do it twenty two.
[20:44] Speaker 1: It's a long way to wait. So Tony Burke, of course,
[20:48] Speaker 1: the Home Affairs Minister responsible for immigration, lack of issues
[20:54] Speaker 1: when it comes to the borders. He had an interesting
[20:56] Speaker 1: conversation with Andrew Clenell a couple of days ago. I
[20:58] Speaker 1: wanted to show you this about yet again, and why
[21:00] Speaker 1: anyone the majority of Australians who think that immigration is
[21:03] Speaker 1: too high, Well you've all got it wrong, you see,
[21:05] Speaker 1: because if we cut back dramatically and the amount of
[21:07] Speaker 1: people that we are bringing into the country the Ponzi scheme,
[21:10] Speaker 1: because of course, the more people you bring in with
[21:12] Speaker 1: the fewer houses, the greater competition. But crazy talking points,
[21:16] Speaker 1: crazy talking points, just common reality. This is his latest
[21:21] Speaker 1: reason why we couldn't possibly pull back on what half
[21:23] Speaker 1: of the country wants, in fact, the majority of the
[21:25] Speaker 1: country wants, which is a dramatic cut to migration.
[21:31] Speaker 8: If you go at migration the wrong way, then you
[21:33] Speaker 8: can actually make the housing situation worse. So for example,
[21:37] Speaker 8: you know, something like more than a quarter of the
[21:41] Speaker 8: various tradespeople who we rely on to build our homes
[21:44] Speaker 8: are born overseas. Similarly, sixty percent of our gps are
[21:48] Speaker 8: born overseas. So we need to make sure that we
[21:51] Speaker 8: are targeting the people who we need most in Australia,
[21:55] Speaker 8: but also make sure that we don't inadvertently stop us
[21:59] Speaker 8: from getting the people we need to be.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Able to build the houses. Such rubbish, Such rubbish. We've
[22:05] Speaker 1: just got to keep doing everything the way we currently do.
[22:07] Speaker 1: And isn't it convenient that both the Treasurer and the
[22:11] Speaker 1: Housing Minister would be happy with that. No, no, no, no, minister.
[22:16] Speaker 1: Here's how we fix the little problem that we currently have,
[22:18] Speaker 1: which is not enough people who know how to swing
[22:20] Speaker 1: a hammer and not enough people who are certified to
[22:23] Speaker 1: work on a building site. Get more kids to take
[22:28] Speaker 1: on trades, get kids, get more kids to go to
[22:33] Speaker 1: TAFE than to go to UNI. That's the idea. For
[22:39] Speaker 1: thirty years this country has been obsessed. If you go
[22:42] Speaker 1: to UNI, you're a winner. If you don't go to UNI,
[22:44] Speaker 1: you're a loser. Well, guess who ends up making more
[22:46] Speaker 1: money than most of the kids are go to UNI.
[22:49] Speaker 1: The ones who know how to swing a hammer, or
[22:50] Speaker 1: the ones who know how to use a set of scissors.
[22:54] Speaker 1: The people who go and get a qualification to do
[22:56] Speaker 1: a job, not a mass student debt to have stories
[23:01] Speaker 1: about whatever happened during their gap year. That's how you
[23:08] Speaker 1: fix the problem. But you see, it's too easy for
[23:11] Speaker 1: Tony Burke because Tony Burke, as we have seen, remember
[23:16] Speaker 1: before the last election, when a whole collection of people
[23:18] Speaker 1: who had come to the country years in advance finally
[23:22] Speaker 1: became citizens of the country. The only people, the only
[23:24] Speaker 1: politicians that they saw labor, labor, labor, labor, labor, please please,
[23:29] Speaker 1: And by the way, can we just put a cork
[23:31] Speaker 1: in this rubbish of people who were trying to over
[23:34] Speaker 1: pump the soccer US and their relationship to immigration and
[23:39] Speaker 1: refugees and Australia. I love the soccer use like every
[23:43] Speaker 1: other Australian. Can we not make this a left wing,
[23:45] Speaker 1: right wing garbage thing. And yes, I know we've had
[23:49] Speaker 1: some people in the past who have become very woke.
[23:51] Speaker 1: I don't care. They're there for the two halves the games.
[23:54] Speaker 1: We love them, good luck to them, right, But the
[23:58] Speaker 1: idea that we were getting lectured to that because you know,
[24:03] Speaker 1: the bloker scored the first goal had a history of
[24:05] Speaker 1: a family that had come from refugees. This was a
[24:07] Speaker 1: pushback against the evils of those who somehow believe that
[24:12] Speaker 1: there are too many people that have been coming into
[24:13] Speaker 1: the country legally flooded with migration. Can we put all
[24:17] Speaker 1: that to one side, and can we also find a
[24:18] Speaker 1: slightly slightly better person to be making this point than
[24:22] Speaker 1: a labor MP who is currently not in Australia, not
[24:26] Speaker 1: in his community, but he's currently in the United States.
[24:29] Speaker 1: Following around the soccer rouse. Now I need to be clear.
[24:31] Speaker 1: He is there at the invitation of Football Australia, so
[24:34] Speaker 1: he's not done the Anika wells, but why the hell
[24:37] Speaker 1: does he need to go? Why does a backbencher from
[24:40] Speaker 1: Benelung need to go? And I'm sorry when he started
[24:43] Speaker 1: to head in this direction today, Well, I had to
[24:46] Speaker 1: go and buy a new TV at Harvey Norman because
[24:48] Speaker 1: I threw something so hard at the old one it
[24:51] Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore.
[24:54] Speaker 6: The soccer Rous reflect modern Australia always have done, a
[24:58] Speaker 6: mixture of people born here, people with a migration background,
[25:02] Speaker 6: and people that celebrate different cultures as well as being
[25:06] Speaker 6: proud to wear the green and gold. You know, just
[25:08] Speaker 6: as I am. Both my parents are born overseas, I
[25:10] Speaker 6: was born here. I celebrate different cultures, but deep down
[25:14] Speaker 6: I'm a true Uzzi and that's basically every migrant I
[25:17] Speaker 6: meet in my community has that same feeling. And you know,
[25:21] Speaker 6: we're really proud about it. And last night was a
[25:23] Speaker 6: beautiful moment for modern Australia.
[25:25] Speaker 1: This is such garbage. It's such garbage. The soccer Rus
[25:30] Speaker 1: is modern Australia. Anyone who disagrees with this government and
[25:34] Speaker 1: this government's attitudes towards migration. That's old Australia, old school Australia.
[25:42] Speaker 1: Those of us that have parents born overseas are more
[25:44] Speaker 1: Aussie than those Please please, As I have said for
[25:49] Speaker 1: as long as I have had any conversation at all
[25:51] Speaker 1: about migration, the numbers are the issue, right, The numbers
[25:56] Speaker 1: are the issue. Australia at eighteen million people living in
[26:00] Speaker 1: thirty years ago, it now has twenty eight million. The
[26:02] Speaker 1: expectation is that that'll become forty million, not in another
[26:08] Speaker 1: thirty years, but in just potentially another twenty or thirty years.
[26:15] Speaker 1: That is too much, too fast. We have a system
[26:19] Speaker 1: where if you call Triple O, maybe it turns up.
[26:21] Speaker 1: If they do turn up, you're probably going to have
[26:23] Speaker 1: to sit in the back of the ambulance because there's
[26:25] Speaker 1: no room in the hospital because there's not enough beds
[26:27] Speaker 1: past the emergency department. If you work in small business,
[26:32] Speaker 1: you've got to get up that hour earlier to sit
[26:34] Speaker 1: there and squint while driving on a toll road to
[26:37] Speaker 1: do exactly the same thing on the way home, only
[26:40] Speaker 1: to be told that eventually that small business that you're
[26:42] Speaker 1: going to build up, if you sell it off, you're
[26:44] Speaker 1: going to have to give more to the government because
[26:45] Speaker 1: you know your fair share. This is rubbish. People have
[26:49] Speaker 1: had enough enough and the little games of your racist
[26:54] Speaker 1: If you disagree with this, your sexist iff, you disagree
[26:56] Speaker 1: with us. Sorry, people don't care anymore. Just don't care,
[27:01] Speaker 1: and more power to them. We're coming to the Northern Territory,
[27:05] Speaker 1: not this but next Sunday night. We will be there
[27:07] Speaker 1: for our town if you'd like to join us in
[27:09] Speaker 1: one of the suburbs of Darwin. You know I love
[27:12] Speaker 1: any chance to be there, especially this close to crack
[27:14] Speaker 1: a night the bs Buster. Thank you Fusion fireworks from
[27:17] Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago. Lucky enough to take
[27:19] Speaker 1: my kids there for that, But we won't be there
[27:23] Speaker 1: for that time. This time. Instead, Saturday, the twenty eighth
[27:26] Speaker 1: of June, we are going to be in the Northern Territory.
[27:28] Speaker 1: If you'd like to join us ourtown at sky news
[27:30] Speaker 1: dot com. That are you ourtown at sky news dot
[27:31] Speaker 1: com dot au berm in the Northern Territory, Barroman in
[27:34] Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, our town a'skynews dot com dot au.
[27:38] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and one last thing I had to show you.
[27:40] Speaker 1: Now we start and end in the same place. Donald
[27:43] Speaker 1: Trump UFC White House Freedom two fifty. This thing was huge.
[27:47] Speaker 1: It was all red, white and blue. It was all
[27:49] Speaker 1: rah rah, it was all yah yah, and I was
[27:51] Speaker 1: all in on it. A reminder, first week of July
[27:54] Speaker 1: is when we're going to have my documentary about the
[27:57] Speaker 1: United States and Trump's America at two point fifty. The
[28:01] Speaker 1: setting was beautiful, the event was awesome. Most of the
[28:03] Speaker 1: people were military, which was even better. And regardless of
[28:06] Speaker 1: whether your love, hate, or just somehow remain as fascinated
[28:10] Speaker 1: with America as I am. The anthem gold playball Baby,
[28:33] Speaker 1: playball Baby. We've got our show coming up in a
[28:35] Speaker 1: couple of weeks time. In the meantime, Paul Murray Live
[28:38] Speaker 1: is on right now talking about the best country in
[28:40] Speaker 1: the world. This one. Two of the people who love
[28:42] Speaker 1: it the most they join us. Next. We've got fifteen days. Sorry,
[28:45] Speaker 1: we've got two weeks. Two weeks to stop the government
[28:48] Speaker 1: from doing something stupid. Let's see what happens. Do not
[28:52] Speaker 1: increase petrol tax. Oh, how good is this. We've got
[29:00] Speaker 1: Ja hilder Brand here looking good, by the way.
[29:02] Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
[29:02] Speaker 3: I like to make an effort for you, good brother,
[29:05] Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
[29:06] Speaker 4: We both do.
[29:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, and speaking of wonderfulness, no other than Matt
[29:08] Speaker 1: Cannehman of course nationals leader. And I want to compliment
[29:10] Speaker 1: you right off the top, mate. Your speech at that
[29:12] Speaker 1: national conference was spectacular. I'll make sure that it's posted
[29:15] Speaker 1: up on our socials. I want people to be able
[29:18] Speaker 1: to see that it's not just something he says here,
[29:20] Speaker 1: says on the channel, a longer, more detailed version of it. Honestly,
[29:26] Speaker 1: I think you're one of the great hopes of the side.
[29:28] Speaker 1: And more power to your arm mate.
[29:31] Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much, Paul, thanks for the cross
[29:34] Speaker 5: promotion and everyone should watch Paul murray y.
[29:38] Speaker 1: Anyway it works, Yeah, whatever, the reverse of the hospital passes,
[29:42] Speaker 1: which is that, Okay, it's a really nice past, but
[29:44] Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. That's what
[29:45] Speaker 1: you just saw. So let's talk here, Matt. Where you
[29:48] Speaker 1: came out so strong after the war in Iran had
[29:51] Speaker 1: taken place, which was, for goodness sake, fifty two cents
[29:54] Speaker 1: in the dollar. Get rid of that when it comes
[29:56] Speaker 1: to the excise because petrol prices are going to go up.
[29:58] Speaker 1: We're going to go through this transition period for the
[30:00] Speaker 1: next few months. We've got two weeks, and this seems
[30:03] Speaker 1: like for a government that is desperately in need of
[30:05] Speaker 1: a goal, they are standing right in front of one
[30:07] Speaker 1: and they can kick it all they want, or they
[30:09] Speaker 1: can end up kicking an own goal and scoring another
[30:11] Speaker 1: point for anyone who's not them. We've got two weeks.
[30:15] Speaker 1: Do you think we should extend the cut to fuel excise?
[30:20] Speaker 5: Paul, I think we should keep our powder dry on
[30:22] Speaker 5: this one. I'm not in favor of it this stage.
[30:25] Speaker 5: It all depends on where prices go. We called is
[30:28] Speaker 5: you're right? We called for the excise to be halfed
[30:31] Speaker 5: when petrol prices served above three dollars a eleter, and
[30:35] Speaker 5: we said at the time, Angus Taylor and I that
[30:38] Speaker 5: people deserved breathing space. And thankfully the government a couple
[30:42] Speaker 5: of days later agree with us and did that. It
[30:43] Speaker 5: has helped bring some pressure off those prices. What has
[30:47] Speaker 5: also helped, of course, is the China has not imported
[30:50] Speaker 5: oil as much as it has been. It seems to
[30:53] Speaker 5: be using up its reserves. The US has massively ramped
[30:56] Speaker 5: up production and that's taken pressure off world prices. So
[31:00] Speaker 5: the prices at the moment are down, they're sort of
[31:03] Speaker 5: below really they are below at the pump what they
[31:05] Speaker 5: were before the war. Obviously the excises have to but
[31:09] Speaker 5: we just got to I'm worried the prices might spike again,
[31:12] Speaker 5: so I prefer to save something like this to when
[31:14] Speaker 5: there is breathing space. We do have the excise for
[31:17] Speaker 5: a reason, to fund our roads, that's been our policy.
[31:19] Speaker 5: It costs two and a half billion dollars for every
[31:22] Speaker 5: three months. If we keep this up, that's ten billion
[31:26] Speaker 5: dollars a year, so I think we've got to be
[31:28] Speaker 5: mindful of that in this period we've got high debt,
[31:32] Speaker 5: interest rates going up. If it's needed again, if prices spike,
[31:36] Speaker 5: happy to support it, but right now they're not at
[31:38] Speaker 5: that level.
[31:38] Speaker 1: Joe, Well, maybe the goal leader has been the goalposts of.
[31:42] Speaker 3: That Canavan man of principle.
[31:45] Speaker 1: I think this is so obvious, but I think.
[31:48] Speaker 3: The government would have to be seriously considering at least
[31:51] Speaker 3: extending their cut for a little while. It simply cannot
[31:54] Speaker 3: afford to piss any more people off right now. I
[31:58] Speaker 3: agree entirely with Matt, unsurprisingly, and I think he's done
[32:01] Speaker 3: a fantastic job as NAT's leader, and it's exactly what
[32:03] Speaker 3: the party needs to face off against one nation, but
[32:07] Speaker 3: again just for pure political reasons, not economic ones. I
[32:11] Speaker 3: think the government would probably be very very scared to
[32:15] Speaker 3: make any more enemies in the electorate right now, so
[32:19] Speaker 3: they'll probably just kick the can down the road, or
[32:21] Speaker 3: maybe very modestly sort of ratcheted up so that people
[32:24] Speaker 3: don't quite notice.
[32:25] Speaker 1: Well, speaking of budget, going through this two day show trial,
[32:28] Speaker 1: this nonsense, this committee process where of course we're committed
[32:31] Speaker 1: to transparency. The small business people they got to talk
[32:34] Speaker 1: just before the end of the day. This is part
[32:36] Speaker 1: of their presentation to those senators. This is after all
[32:39] Speaker 1: of the cases have been made. First cab off the
[32:41] Speaker 1: rank the Australian Institute, like the far lefty Britains, that's
[32:46] Speaker 1: the first cab off the rank right. So that's just
[32:48] Speaker 1: really calling the shots here. But here's small business about
[32:51] Speaker 1: why some of these changes in the budget. They can
[32:54] Speaker 1: spin them all they like, but they become toxic and
[32:57] Speaker 1: deadly to people who have a small business right now
[33:00] Speaker 1: or you might have an idea for one in the future.
[33:02] Speaker 9: The proposed reforms change the risk and reward equation for
[33:06] Speaker 9: those Australians who choose to start, build and grow a business.
[33:10] Speaker 9: The changes disproportionately affect founders who start with little capital
[33:14] Speaker 9: and who have created value through hard work, innovation, and persistence.
[33:19] Speaker 9: Even more so of the business successfully grew at a
[33:21] Speaker 9: relatively high rate. That is, where value was created, not purchased.
[33:27] Speaker 1: It's not hard, right. We don't have to go and
[33:29] Speaker 1: get the old Glenn Beck chalk board out it. I
[33:31] Speaker 1: don't have to get the pen. We understand this here, Matt.
[33:34] Speaker 1: This is the front and center. This is the fight.
[33:36] Speaker 1: This is why people are annoyed because here's the thing.
[33:39] Speaker 1: The governor Tenner and say, well, but currently there's only
[33:41] Speaker 1: ex percent of businesses that ever get to this particular amount.
[33:44] Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Any and everyone who's got an ABN
[33:47] Speaker 1: would hope that one day their idea explodes to being
[33:51] Speaker 1: one that will hit all of these thresholds. We hope
[33:53] Speaker 1: that if our kids come up with an idea for
[33:55] Speaker 1: an app for this four of that that they would
[33:57] Speaker 1: be able to get to that threshold. It's about aspiration
[34:01] Speaker 1: and it was extraordinary. But what about this two day
[34:04] Speaker 1: show trial where it's majority people who back it in
[34:08] Speaker 1: it's basically run by labor in the Greens and business. Well,
[34:11] Speaker 1: they all have to sit there deliberately lined up as
[34:13] Speaker 1: if they were a bunch of tobacco executives, and they
[34:16] Speaker 1: were given about forty five minutes.
[34:20] Speaker 5: Look, that's right, Paul. This is a bit of a
[34:22] Speaker 5: kangaroo cord of a Senate right now going through this.
[34:25] Speaker 5: But the good news is the good news is that
[34:28] Speaker 5: I don't think it all. It matters all that much.
[34:30] Speaker 5: People have made their mind up on this budget. And
[34:32] Speaker 5: that was extremely eloquently put. I'm not sure who put that,
[34:36] Speaker 5: but that lady there really summed it up extremely well.
[34:41] Speaker 5: This is a tax on people who work hard and deliver. See,
[34:45] Speaker 5: if you inherit a business, even if you have the
[34:48] Speaker 5: capital to purchase a business, you start with a high
[34:50] Speaker 5: capital base, and so your capital gain tax rate at
[34:53] Speaker 5: this high level, the non discounted level, won't be won't
[34:57] Speaker 5: be as bad as those who actually create well and
[35:01] Speaker 5: do something useful for the rest of us. That's why
[35:04] Speaker 5: all the economists, Ken, Henry, everybody up to this date
[35:06] Speaker 5: had said capital income should be taxed at the lower rates,
[35:10] Speaker 5: and the government's reversed all of that. That's why Veron
[35:14] Speaker 5: hates it. I've had another round table here in Bunderberg
[35:17] Speaker 5: with David bat today and as one of the small
[35:20] Speaker 5: business people said, this is this budget is a sledgehammer
[35:23] Speaker 5: for them, sledgehammer for small businesses and also from others
[35:26] Speaker 5: who are just they're wondering why people would go into
[35:29] Speaker 5: small business and that's very sad to hear. If that's
[35:32] Speaker 5: the perception out there, we just won't have the jobs
[35:34] Speaker 5: and the wealth in the future in this country.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Sky is the CEO of the Small Business
[35:39] Speaker 1: Advocacy Group, the Small Business Business Advocacy Groups. She was
[35:42] Speaker 1: the one who was making that points. We've sat through
[35:44] Speaker 1: this whole thing, Joe. I know you're frustration and that
[35:47] Speaker 1: sense of overreach, smart asness, whatever it is that the
[35:50] Speaker 1: government has done and how they are playing this out.
[35:52] Speaker 1: Did you see Jim Chalmers on sixty minutes last night?
[35:55] Speaker 3: I chose not to help her. I had people even
[35:59] Speaker 3: when the pros went out. I had people. Friend of
[36:02] Speaker 3: mine said, you've got to get a body language expert
[36:04] Speaker 3: on this guy as a come its if the Telly's
[36:07] Speaker 3: not already making that call.
[36:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, age, that's right.
[36:12] Speaker 3: But I you know, as my mother said, if you
[36:15] Speaker 3: don't have anything nice to say, somefine dotating it all
[36:17] Speaker 3: is I want applausible deniability on that.
[36:20] Speaker 1: But isn't the problem here, isn't isn't a problem for
[36:22] Speaker 1: the government that even if they've got a process where look,
[36:24] Speaker 1: eventually Labor Greens get together, bang bang bang, it's passed,
[36:28] Speaker 1: all of it kicks in until the first of July,
[36:31] Speaker 1: and not until the first of July twenty seven. So
[36:33] Speaker 1: all of the concern that currently exists, well, it exacerbates
[36:36] Speaker 1: between now and the first of July twenty seven. Then
[36:39] Speaker 1: the reality starts creating victims from the first of July
[36:42] Speaker 1: twenty seven. So the usual political play, which is, look,
[36:47] Speaker 1: announce it a day and a half of Agro will
[36:49] Speaker 1: change the subject to the budget in reply. Then budget
[36:52] Speaker 1: week's finished. It's a one week Agro story. That was
[36:55] Speaker 1: the plan. Instead it took off and we're in this
[36:58] Speaker 1: sort of four million dollar five the liar kind of
[37:01] Speaker 1: world right now where they are every direction they're looking.
[37:05] Speaker 1: It's a version of pain. It's not terminal. They're still
[37:08] Speaker 1: in a position with differences where they would drop a
[37:11] Speaker 1: nose in front right now. But that's not ninety four seats.
[37:15] Speaker 3: No, it certainly is not. And again, look, I've had
[37:17] Speaker 3: people in the Labor Party came up and think and
[37:19] Speaker 3: again I am firmly of the view that Anthony Albanezi
[37:23] Speaker 3: believes himself to be a centrist. He really does, but
[37:26] Speaker 3: I think sometimes because of his background in the left,
[37:29] Speaker 3: he isn't always entirely sure where everybody else thinks the
[37:32] Speaker 3: center is.
[37:33] Speaker 10: Yes, He's always said yeah, well and and I start,
[37:38] Speaker 10: you know, I said in the budget lock up, I
[37:41] Speaker 10: said that night, you know, I just you know, people
[37:44] Speaker 10: were saying, well, you know, can you defend it?
[37:46] Speaker 3: I said, I just cannot get my head around it.
[37:47] Speaker 3: It just made no sense as a document unless you
[37:51] Speaker 3: saw it as basically a naked cash grab, because the
[37:55] Speaker 3: even the intergenerational redistribution of wealth that it's said it
[37:58] Speaker 3: was trying to do, and that said it was trying
[38:00] Speaker 3: to do, was so incredibly piss weak. Like we're talking
[38:04] Speaker 3: seven and a half homes that already exist, not even
[38:06] Speaker 3: new homes, but homes that already exist. Going from old
[38:08] Speaker 3: people to young people is seventy five thousand over ten years.
[38:12] Speaker 3: That is, you know, that is the mathematical equation of
[38:15] Speaker 3: sweet FA. And then you've got the added problem, which
[38:18] Speaker 3: I think could be even greater, which is, notwithstanding the
[38:21] Speaker 3: merits of the changes or not, Yes, I hope the
[38:24] Speaker 3: government does find a way to dig itself out of
[38:26] Speaker 3: this one. My fear is that no matter what they do,
[38:31] Speaker 3: they will be running in quicksand because no one will
[38:34] Speaker 3: believe a word they say.
[38:36] Speaker 1: Correct. This is the thing. Everyone thinks their personal skills
[38:39] Speaker 1: somehow get them out of the gravitational pull that has
[38:43] Speaker 1: applied to seemingly every other politician, regardless of their skill
[38:46] Speaker 1: of their party, will all wait and see together, Matt.
[38:49] Speaker 1: As you heard before, one of the criticisms that Anthony
[38:51] Speaker 1: abernezis throwing out there potentially in one nation is all
[38:54] Speaker 1: the foreign markets. Would they be able to go to
[38:57] Speaker 1: door to all of our Asian neighbors to be able
[38:59] Speaker 1: to do fueled Now, obviously you ain't here to defend
[39:01] Speaker 1: one nation, but it just got me to the point,
[39:03] Speaker 1: which is, Hey, we want a country where if we
[39:07] Speaker 1: can build it, we build it. We don't go somewhere else.
[39:10] Speaker 1: If we can drill it, we drill it. We don't
[39:12] Speaker 1: wait for crumbs, We bake the freaking loaf here. And
[39:15] Speaker 1: I've got all I could think about was that speech
[39:18] Speaker 1: and where you were from the first day you became
[39:20] Speaker 1: the National's leader.
[39:24] Speaker 5: Yeah, look, Paul, I suppose what's been exposed by those
[39:27] Speaker 5: comments is the extent of the Labor Party's plan to
[39:34] Speaker 5: secure our fuel supplies is simply to go cap in
[39:39] Speaker 5: hand to the region and beg for fuel from other people.
[39:43] Speaker 5: They're saying that if unless you can do that, you
[39:46] Speaker 5: don't have a fuel security planner. Actually, we have other
[39:49] Speaker 5: options here. We have a whole continent to ourselves, got
[39:52] Speaker 5: enormous reserves and resources. We should be looking and drilling
[39:56] Speaker 5: for oil. Again, that may take time, but even if
[40:00] Speaker 5: we can't or don't find oil, we've got massive amounts
[40:03] Speaker 5: of coal, and South Africa gets forty percent of it's
[40:06] Speaker 5: oil from coal or petrol and diesel from coal. We
[40:10] Speaker 5: could do the same here. At least then we be
[40:12] Speaker 5: secure because we have right now, Paul, half of our
[40:16] Speaker 5: ship half of our imports by weight, half are liquid fuels.
[40:21] Speaker 5: Do you think we have a navy to defend half
[40:23] Speaker 5: of our ships? So maybe we should start producing it
[40:26] Speaker 5: here instead.
[40:26] Speaker 1: No, I did one hundred percent. As I say, check
[40:28] Speaker 1: out his speech. I'll pump it up on our socials
[40:30] Speaker 1: a little bit later. Let's I do appreciate it. Thank
[40:32] Speaker 1: you very much, Thank you, Joe. We's always got something
[40:34] Speaker 1: that's nice to say, particularly on Quizzical every Sunday night.
[40:37] Speaker 1: Of course with James. Keep up the fight, mate, I
[40:39] Speaker 1: like it, and of course that can of m will
[40:40] Speaker 1: see you as well. We're going to go to the UK.
[40:43] Speaker 1: Next o, mate, Mark Dolan is standing by this plenty
[40:45] Speaker 1: to talk about with him. We move on from matters
[40:47] Speaker 1: to do with Keir Starmer, but so much more drama
[40:49] Speaker 1: in the UK. A great friend takes us through it. Next,
[40:58] Speaker 1: Mark Dolan is I made in the UK. You can
[41:00] Speaker 1: see his program on Talk TV. It's also up on YouTube.
[41:03] Speaker 1: And he joins us now from Mary Old, England. As
[41:05] Speaker 1: they get ready for the day that we have just lived.
[41:07] Speaker 1: I'm telling you the second half Mark, it's going to
[41:09] Speaker 1: be amazing. It's lunchtime there, it's nighttime here, all right,
[41:13] Speaker 1: let's get to the social media band. Now. Australia put
[41:17] Speaker 1: this in place. There is some evidence of its success.
[41:20] Speaker 1: There are some people with stories of its failure. But
[41:24] Speaker 1: the UK seems that they are going to be going
[41:26] Speaker 1: down the same path and Kirstarma is open about Australia
[41:30] Speaker 1: being the inspiration for it. How do you think it's
[41:33] Speaker 1: going to go well?
[41:35] Speaker 11: I think like in Australia it will be a modest success.
[41:39] Speaker 11: And I think what's significant about this move and why
[41:41] Speaker 11: I think Australia showed great leadership, is that in practical terms,
[41:45] Speaker 11: it's not going to be the silver bullet. You're going
[41:47] Speaker 11: to get kids that will find a work around. They
[41:49] Speaker 11: are so smart. I mean my teenagers. We've got a
[41:52] Speaker 11: smart fridge. They can understand that I don't know how
[41:54] Speaker 11: to turn the TV on. So kids are very smart.
[41:57] Speaker 11: But what it's going to do is change cult attitudes
[42:01] Speaker 11: to the idea of children online, children and smartphones, children
[42:05] Speaker 11: with the iPad, and that's I think where it's helpful.
[42:07] Speaker 11: It's offering support to parents who are saying, come on,
[42:10] Speaker 11: little Johnny, get off that screen, go and play football.
[42:14] Speaker 1: So I think it's a positive move.
[42:15] Speaker 11: It's also very possibly the last great legacy of this
[42:18] Speaker 11: Prime Minister because on Thursday there's a local election happening
[42:22] Speaker 11: and the Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham is likely to
[42:25] Speaker 11: win that he's going to come into the House of
[42:27] Speaker 11: Commons and he's going to try to replace Keir Starmer.
[42:31] Speaker 11: So by the end of this coming week the UK
[42:34] Speaker 11: could see a resignation statement from the incumbent, which is
[42:37] Speaker 11: obviously huge.
[42:39] Speaker 1: Now I just want to talk a little about that
[42:41] Speaker 1: by election, right, just a little one without notice. Now,
[42:45] Speaker 1: some people that are hardcore viewers will know that there
[42:47] Speaker 1: is a difference between Nijor Faraja's Reform UK and a
[42:51] Speaker 1: breakoff group called Restore UK. Now, Restore UK is a
[42:56] Speaker 1: little more hardcore then Reform UK. We weren't bore people
[43:00] Speaker 1: with many of the differences, but sort of Elon Musk
[43:03] Speaker 1: kind of is into the Restore version of things because
[43:08] Speaker 1: again he prefers the pure stuff. Now we're seeing a
[43:12] Speaker 1: scenario here where this new vote is starting to fracture.
[43:17] Speaker 1: Nigel's on the show tomorrow night, but well, we see
[43:20] Speaker 1: a scenario where if Restore didn't exist, then Reform could
[43:25] Speaker 1: deny this bloke the chance to get into the Parliament.
[43:28] Speaker 1: Or is it sort of some statistical noise at the
[43:32] Speaker 1: at the edge of labor was going to run away
[43:33] Speaker 1: with it anyway, No, I.
[43:35] Speaker 11: Think that's a fair reading of it, Paul. I think
[43:37] Speaker 11: it's likely that Restore, which is a small party run
[43:40] Speaker 11: by a businessman, an entrepreneur called Rupert Low, is going
[43:44] Speaker 11: to deny Nigel Farage victory. But I think, as you
[43:47] Speaker 11: see in Australia, these by elections, local elections, it's often
[43:51] Speaker 11: a protest vote and its voters on the right saying,
[43:54] Speaker 11: come on, we want to tackle immigration, we want to
[43:57] Speaker 11: scrap net zero, we want to grow the economy. And
[44:00] Speaker 11: think the support for this breakaway party Restore is just
[44:03] Speaker 11: a determination on the part of voters for true change.
[44:07] Speaker 11: And I think what you'll see at a general election
[44:10] Speaker 11: is support for that smaller party fall away. And I
[44:13] Speaker 11: think what Farage is doing is building a coalition on
[44:15] Speaker 11: the right in the UK. And he's smart, you know.
[44:18] Speaker 11: Farage takes the view that we can do more in
[44:21] Speaker 11: office than being a protest party, and so he's trying
[44:25] Speaker 11: to include Tories, restore voters and of course build on
[44:29] Speaker 11: that reform base. I think that what's going to happen
[44:32] Speaker 11: for Nigel is he's going to lose that battle, but
[44:35] Speaker 11: he'll win the war.
[44:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. I also get the sense too that and again,
[44:39] Speaker 1: as Nigel Farage has moved all the way from U
[44:43] Speaker 1: KEEP to Brexit and from Brexit to reform and reform
[44:47] Speaker 1: now under the position of leading what more than three
[44:49] Speaker 1: hundred poles in a row. You've noticed in his language
[44:52] Speaker 1: he doesn't refit himself as a conservative it's not about
[44:54] Speaker 1: being right wing. You've seen some of the breakaway with Trump,
[44:57] Speaker 1: and that is not because he's moving to the l
[45:00] Speaker 1: it's because he's trying to grow those that are coming
[45:04] Speaker 1: with him. He's trying to extend those coattails. So a
[45:06] Speaker 1: hardcore labor person, well, they can back on because he
[45:09] Speaker 1: ain't the conservatives right equally so, because he's not wrapping
[45:14] Speaker 1: himself in the sort of identityrianism of the lift, a
[45:17] Speaker 1: Tory can jump on board because he wants to shake
[45:20] Speaker 1: the system. The restore person can get on board. It's
[45:23] Speaker 1: been fascinating to watch him build through that language.
[45:27] Speaker 11: I think he's been very successful and it's very exciting
[45:29] Speaker 11: that you've got him on the show this week because
[45:32] Speaker 11: I interviewed him on Friday for the Daily Express newspaper
[45:35] Speaker 11: and he's never looked more confident, comfortable in his own skin,
[45:39] Speaker 11: building this coalition.
[45:41] Speaker 1: This is a guy.
[45:41] Speaker 11: He's very rare Paul, because he doesn't seek power for
[45:45] Speaker 11: the sake of it.
[45:46] Speaker 1: He seeks consequence.
[45:47] Speaker 11: He wants to do things and the country at the moment,
[45:50] Speaker 11: I mean, it's such an insult because Prime Minister has
[45:53] Speaker 11: said that his social media band is going to be
[45:54] Speaker 11: called Australia plus because it's going to include live gaming,
[45:58] Speaker 11: or the UK is Australia minus. At the moment, we
[46:01] Speaker 11: are in deep trouble, and Faras told me on Friday
[46:04] Speaker 11: that we've got ten years before Britain becomes and I quote,
[46:08] Speaker 11: a third world country. So this is a guy in
[46:10] Speaker 11: a hurry and a man with a plan.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Well, awesome, all right, I'm going to read that in
[46:14] Speaker 1: the Daily Express. That is my homework before I turn
[46:16] Speaker 1: up here tomorrow night. So this peace deal in a run.
[46:20] Speaker 1: Reality is we haven't read it. There's not the great
[46:22] Speaker 1: detail around all of this. Is it worth the paper
[46:24] Speaker 1: it's written on? Only time will tell, et cetera, et cetera,
[46:27] Speaker 1: et cetera. However, if it gets everyone to the position
[46:30] Speaker 1: of backing down, then surely it's a good thing. Because
[46:33] Speaker 1: of the consequences in the Strait of Humus, I'm not
[46:35] Speaker 1: sure that it makes Israel a whole lot safer than
[46:37] Speaker 1: it was at the start of it. Obviously, there has
[46:41] Speaker 1: not been regime change. I know Trump's trying to pretend
[46:43] Speaker 1: because they killed the first bog and the second bike
[46:45] Speaker 1: that that's regime change. Come on, what's your initial idea
[46:51] Speaker 1: about an end is an end, and an end is
[46:53] Speaker 1: a win.
[46:55] Speaker 11: I think it's very difficult. I think that the objectives
[46:58] Speaker 11: the objectives of this war were very noble, which is
[47:01] Speaker 11: to disarm Iran and prevent them from having nuclear weapons.
[47:05] Speaker 11: What I will say is this messy, untidy war has
[47:09] Speaker 11: set Iran back by ten years. So it's better than nothing.
[47:14] Speaker 11: And I think that Trump has chosen the courageous route.
[47:17] Speaker 11: You know, every politician chooses the path of least resistance. Well,
[47:21] Speaker 11: Trump has basically risked the American economy, he's rewoken inflation,
[47:27] Speaker 11: and he's been involved in a hot mess in the Middleast.
[47:30] Speaker 11: But it's because he knows that Iran have to be
[47:32] Speaker 11: dealt with. So I think, yes, it's been a messy war,
[47:35] Speaker 11: but I think we're in a better place now than
[47:36] Speaker 11: we were in February. The only big headache is that
[47:39] Speaker 11: Iran remain in place as a regime, the IRGC who
[47:43] Speaker 11: got deep roots in that country, And the other issue
[47:46] Speaker 11: is that they know now that they can threaten the
[47:49] Speaker 11: straight of Horn moves, so it's hardly a victory now.
[47:52] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Mark. We look forward to seeing
[47:54] Speaker 1: you again next week. We always love talking to you.
[47:56] Speaker 1: Mac donald of course they're from Talk to v. You
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