# Paul Murray Live | 16 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 16 Jul 2026, 48 min.

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'Fire the Liar' campaign tops $5 million for One Nation, Anthony Albanese defends skipping the Garma Festival despite accusations of broken promises. Plus, Australia's housing crisis worsens under Labor. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Sky New Sector.
[0:01] Speaker 2: This is Paul Burry Live. Thank you James, no sooks,
[0:06] Speaker 2: no leftist. Tonight we'll give a winner and loser of
[0:08] Speaker 2: the week. We'll even end with a smile when the
[0:10] Speaker 2: mate Colin Flynn. But first fire the liar. The very
[0:13] Speaker 2: successful crowdfunding donation campaign of One Nation has now hit
[0:18] Speaker 2: five count five million dollars. It means more trucks like that,
[0:24] Speaker 2: more ads like this.
[0:26] Speaker 3: Deducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
[0:30] Speaker 4: That's a throughout life.
[0:31] Speaker 2: My word is my bond and we all know it
[0:39] Speaker 2: has been widely successful. But get ready to add another
[0:43] Speaker 2: Prime ministerial rolled gold underline it lie. The Prime Minister
[0:49] Speaker 2: of course this week is talking about AI, trying to
[0:52] Speaker 2: change the subject from the reason fire the lie. I
[0:55] Speaker 2: got five million people or five million dollars in after
[0:58] Speaker 2: the lies that have become law the budget and of
[1:02] Speaker 2: course the single greatest policy failure of this Prime Minister
[1:04] Speaker 2: from his perspective, was not being able to get the
[1:07] Speaker 2: Voice to become part of the Constitution and to become
[1:10] Speaker 2: essentially the third chamber of Australian Parliament. It of course
[1:14] Speaker 2: has been something that has been debated in the Indigenous
[1:17] Speaker 2: community for a long period of time, and one of
[1:20] Speaker 2: the most prints of the high profile indigenous events is
[1:24] Speaker 2: the Garma Festival, which is held in the Northern Territory
[1:26] Speaker 2: each and every year. And for the many years before
[1:30] Speaker 2: the Voice and the couple of years after it, there
[1:32] Speaker 2: he was the Prime Minister front and center. Sorry the
[1:37] Speaker 2: country didn't say yes, but promising to be there and
[1:41] Speaker 2: be in the fight every year to come.
[1:45] Speaker 3: And I commit here that every single year, as that
[1:49] Speaker 3: I have the great honor to be Australia as Prime Minister,
[1:53] Speaker 3: I will be here and engaged with you.
[1:57] Speaker 2: But guess what, it was a love because the Garma Festival,
[2:02] Speaker 2: which is coming up at the end of this month,
[2:04] Speaker 2: he will not be attending. The reason because he's a
[2:08] Speaker 2: bit tired.
[2:11] Speaker 3: This weekend, in a few days, I'll be in another
[2:14] Speaker 3: remote part of the Northern Territory. Garma isn't the only
[2:18] Speaker 3: festival that's taken place.
[2:21] Speaker 2: I've been to Garma. It's a wonderful festival.
[2:24] Speaker 3: I informed the people who operate Garma.
[2:29] Speaker 2: Dude, you're allowed to have a holiday and nobody's going
[2:31] Speaker 2: to be grudge you that. But you looked those people
[2:34] Speaker 2: in the eye and said, for as long as you
[2:35] Speaker 2: have the privilege of being the Prime Minister, you'll be
[2:37] Speaker 2: there each and every year. Tick for twenty five, tick
[2:40] Speaker 2: for twenty six. Actually no, just twelve months after making
[2:45] Speaker 2: the promise, the first opportunity to prove your promise, you're
[2:49] Speaker 2: not showing up now again. Nobody begrudges anyone a holiday.
[2:54] Speaker 2: But if you've decided to look those people in the
[2:56] Speaker 2: eye and so you're going to be there every year,
[2:57] Speaker 2: you should be there every year. But of course this
[3:00] Speaker 2: is the prime minister who well can just change his position,
[3:04] Speaker 2: even on something supposedly as sacred as this.
[3:09] Speaker 3: You know what, amish, I haven't had a day off
[3:12] Speaker 3: all year, all year.
[3:16] Speaker 2: Oh we all know that the prime ministership is a difficult,
[3:21] Speaker 2: busy job to compromise on your family, and yes it
[3:25] Speaker 2: takes a physical toll on you, but it's not digging ditches.
[3:29] Speaker 2: There are other people involved in the government. There are
[3:32] Speaker 2: other people involved in the bureaucracy. We've seen the Prime
[3:35] Speaker 2: Minister isn't exactly twenty four to seven when it comes
[3:38] Speaker 2: to work. Remember the soccer rouse photos. Now he's allowed
[3:42] Speaker 2: to sit and watch a footy team. Does he count
[3:44] Speaker 2: days at work? Going to the footy, because there's plenty
[3:47] Speaker 2: of those that have existed in the past little while. Again,
[3:52] Speaker 2: do I care whether he turns up there or not. No,
[3:54] Speaker 2: because it's his choice to go or not go. But
[3:57] Speaker 2: yet again, if you want some more proof about why
[4:00] Speaker 2: five million dollars has been raised for Fire the Liar,
[4:03] Speaker 2: take your pick, power bills, taxes now, Garma now Again,
[4:09] Speaker 2: he's a man of his word, but apparently the Garma
[4:13] Speaker 2: Festival can't rely on it either. I think there's a
[4:17] Speaker 2: chance he might change his mind, but we'll all find
[4:20] Speaker 2: out meantime. Again, as you know, I love to dig
[4:24] Speaker 2: around in the polls, and there's some interesting value judgments
[4:28] Speaker 2: which you're coming out about some of the key areas
[4:31] Speaker 2: that we think that our leaders are doing well or
[4:33] Speaker 2: doing poorly at. We'll have a chat to Angus Taylor
[4:36] Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes time. By the way, he's
[4:37] Speaker 2: got a tax forum happening just outside of Melbourne. You
[4:41] Speaker 2: also hung out with Dave Hughes today. We'll have a
[4:43] Speaker 2: chat with him about that in a moment or two time.
[4:45] Speaker 2: But Fire the Lie gets five million dollars, not because
[4:48] Speaker 2: there's just a bunch of rabid one nation supporters who
[4:50] Speaker 2: are desperate to part with their money. But because it
[4:52] Speaker 2: struck a chord. Why because he doesn't tell the truth.
[4:56] Speaker 2: And in the opinion poll that's been put together by
[4:58] Speaker 2: the Resolved Political Monitor, turn up in all of the
[5:00] Speaker 2: versions of the nine Entertainment Company forty three percent of people.
[5:06] Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister is dishonest. Only thirty four percent
[5:10] Speaker 2: of people say he is honest. Twenty four percent of
[5:12] Speaker 2: people a quarter of the country can't work it out
[5:15] Speaker 2: by now. If you can't work it out this far
[5:17] Speaker 2: into it, well maybe you're just trying to be polite.
[5:22] Speaker 2: The man lies and lies and lies, but just says
[5:25] Speaker 2: it's a change of position, or I have worked every
[5:28] Speaker 2: day this year. Come on, mate, you mean don't get
[5:30] Speaker 2: to be prime minister for your whole life. It's a
[5:32] Speaker 2: few years. It's an intense few years. Are you allowed
[5:35] Speaker 2: to have the holiday? Fine and fair enough, but maybe
[5:37] Speaker 2: not pick the exact time you told people that you
[5:40] Speaker 2: turn up each and every year for them. What about competency?
[5:44] Speaker 2: Forty percent of people say the Prime Minister is incompetent,
[5:47] Speaker 2: Thirty seven percent say competent. And that's not whether you're
[5:49] Speaker 2: going to vote for him or not. But four out
[5:53] Speaker 2: of ten vote says incompetent. Again, a quarter of the
[5:56] Speaker 2: country can't answer that question. As for whether he's in
[6:00] Speaker 2: touch or not, unsurprisingly, forty three percent of people say
[6:04] Speaker 2: that he's out of touch listening and in touch thirty
[6:06] Speaker 2: four percent, which funnily enough is about the primary vote
[6:09] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party plus the Greens. Again, a quarter
[6:11] Speaker 2: of the country doesn't know, So Australia the biggest chunk
[6:15] Speaker 2: of people negative on whether he is honest, whether he
[6:18] Speaker 2: is competent, or whether he is out of touch. As
[6:22] Speaker 2: for Angus Taylor, people consider him to be more honest
[6:24] Speaker 2: than dishonest thirty six to twenty six percent. But the
[6:27] Speaker 2: best thing for Angus Taylor is the number of people
[6:30] Speaker 2: who don't know. Now why do I say don't know?
[6:32] Speaker 2: Applies better to Angus Taylor than to Alberici because obviously
[6:35] Speaker 2: hasn't been the leader of the coalition for a full
[6:37] Speaker 2: twelve months, let alone how many years since twenty twenty
[6:41] Speaker 2: six years now of Labor leadership under Anthony Alberansi, thirty
[6:46] Speaker 2: nine percent of people says competent, a quarter of people
[6:48] Speaker 2: say he's incompetent, and again a significant number do not know,
[6:52] Speaker 2: meaning they are either they're to be convinced by a
[6:55] Speaker 2: scare campaign or there to be convinced by the actions
[6:58] Speaker 2: of the man we're about to talk to an a
[7:00] Speaker 2: couple of minutes time. Thirty seven percent of people say
[7:04] Speaker 2: that he is listening and in touch. Twenty nine percent
[7:06] Speaker 2: of people say that he's out of touch, don't know,
[7:08] Speaker 2: is sitting there at thirty four percent Well, unsurprisingly, Pauline
[7:13] Speaker 2: Hanson for all to talk about how this guy is
[7:14] Speaker 2: falling in. Forty two percent of people say that she
[7:18] Speaker 2: is honest. That's a higher number than the Prime minister,
[7:22] Speaker 2: a higher number than the opposition leader dishonest, thirty four
[7:26] Speaker 2: don't know twenty four thirty nine percent say competent, thirty
[7:29] Speaker 2: eight percent say incompetent, So essentially right down the middle
[7:33] Speaker 2: there twenty three percent of people and they don't know
[7:36] Speaker 2: category and the highest number of anyone in the poll
[7:39] Speaker 2: would be forty two percent say she's listening and in touch,
[7:42] Speaker 2: thirty eight percent say she's out of touch and don't know,
[7:45] Speaker 2: or either being polite or they are genuinely there either
[7:48] Speaker 2: to be scared into what their opinion actually ends up being,
[7:52] Speaker 2: or to be convinced by the campaign that is on
[7:54] Speaker 2: its way. And look, you may think I'm a little
[7:58] Speaker 2: unkind to the Prime Minister, but I mark on form,
[8:01] Speaker 2: which means I had no problem making this image on
[8:05] Speaker 2: my laptop a few weeks ago. How many times does
[8:08] Speaker 2: he do it? It applies to him and he may
[8:10] Speaker 2: say change his position. Will he said one thing before
[8:12] Speaker 2: an election, another thing happens after it. The latest example again,
[8:17] Speaker 2: I'm going to go to garma every year on Prime
[8:18] Speaker 2: Minister the first chance he has to back himself up.
[8:21] Speaker 2: Not happening. And one of the lies that this Prime
[8:26] Speaker 2: Minister again deserves to be held his feet too by
[8:30] Speaker 2: the supposed independent press who speak truth to power. But
[8:34] Speaker 2: as we know, just like being tucked into bed by
[8:36] Speaker 2: the access they get from not rocking the boat. Well,
[8:39] Speaker 2: when it comes to units and houses, I've shown you
[8:43] Speaker 2: in chapter and verse, in detail and decimal point that
[8:46] Speaker 2: rents have gone up this year. They have gone up
[8:49] Speaker 2: because of the changes when it comes to the budget,
[8:50] Speaker 2: but obviously they've gone up because interest rates have gone
[8:53] Speaker 2: up three times, despite the fact that this Prime Minister
[8:56] Speaker 2: had said we'd turn the corner on inflation. But the
[8:59] Speaker 2: talking point from the Housing Minister, well, it's as roll
[9:02] Speaker 2: gold as an alboat line.
[9:05] Speaker 4: Overall, the pressure on rents will actually be downwards.
[9:09] Speaker 5: That's because we're.
[9:10] Speaker 4: Building more homes and rental prices are set based on
[9:13] Speaker 4: how many rental properties we have and how many people
[9:16] Speaker 4: are in the market.
[9:17] Speaker 2: No, that's bs Why because well, the Domain Rental Report,
[9:21] Speaker 2: which came out a couple of weeks ago, I showed
[9:23] Speaker 2: you that there was an increase of seven point six
[9:28] Speaker 2: percent or sixty dollars to rent a house in Sydney,
[9:36] Speaker 2: Increases in Melbourne, fifty bucks in Brisbane, up in Adelaide,
[9:41] Speaker 2: up in Perth, up in Canberra, up in Darwin, up
[9:45] Speaker 2: in Hobart. But the overall pressure is going to be down. Well,
[9:47] Speaker 2: the actual pressure is up because remember two of the
[9:51] Speaker 2: three interest rate rises happened before a bomb was dropped
[9:54] Speaker 2: in Iran. When it comes to units, those increases are
[9:59] Speaker 2: quite significan and as well. It's fifty dollars in Sydney,
[10:06] Speaker 2: up in Melbourne, up in Brucebane, up in Adelaide, up
[10:10] Speaker 2: in Perth, up in Canberra, up in Darwin by one
[10:14] Speaker 2: hundred bucks, and up in Hobart. But the overall pressure
[10:18] Speaker 2: is going to be down. Well, when's that going to
[10:20] Speaker 2: happen or do you get credit that if it, just
[10:23] Speaker 2: like interest rates, keeps going up and up and up
[10:25] Speaker 2: and up, well when it starts to go down from up,
[10:28] Speaker 2: but it's still materially higher than it was a year
[10:31] Speaker 2: ago or two years ago. That's what you're going to
[10:33] Speaker 2: call the win. I say it every night. The difference
[10:37] Speaker 2: in this country, frankly no longer is left and right.
[10:39] Speaker 2: It's do you pay attention or do you not pay attention?
[10:41] Speaker 2: They bet that you don't pay attention. Well that certainly
[10:44] Speaker 2: people don't pay attention to those that are calling them out.
[10:46] Speaker 2: Thankfully you do, which is why it's so helpful for
[10:49] Speaker 2: you to share what you see here at skynews dot
[10:51] Speaker 2: com dot AU. Well more evidence of it today, this
[10:55] Speaker 2: time via the Daily Telegraph. They were looking into the
[10:58] Speaker 2: report from Real Estate AU and it shows that Sydney
[11:02] Speaker 2: siders have been warned to brace for bigger weekly rent
[11:06] Speaker 2: hikes on top of landlords already increasing rents by as
[11:08] Speaker 2: much as one hundred and seventy five dollars in the
[11:12] Speaker 2: way of the federal government's budget reforms. This bloke, Noel Whittaker,
[11:18] Speaker 2: who is the finance expert and Daily Telegraph columnist called
[11:23] Speaker 2: the forecast of Treasury modeling, showing rents would only rise
[11:27] Speaker 2: a nominal two dollars a week as absolute bs. The
[11:32] Speaker 2: modeling has also suggested changes would not result in decreased
[11:35] Speaker 2: valuations of property. Mister Whitaker said the two point six
[11:38] Speaker 2: percent increase in the June quarter and one hundred and
[11:41] Speaker 2: fifty dollars weekly spikes across half a dozen Sydney suburbs
[11:44] Speaker 2: were just the beginning of pain renters would be forced
[11:47] Speaker 2: to endure. I am absolutely sure that we will see
[11:50] Speaker 2: increases in weekly rent across Sydney in the next six
[11:55] Speaker 2: to twelve months. Let's get ready to play Clara O'Neil again,
[11:58] Speaker 2: because he argued uncontrolled migration intake, poor housing supply and
[12:04] Speaker 2: the threat of interest rate increases were a perfect storm,
[12:08] Speaker 2: compounded by the government's tax reforms. So the Prime Minister
[12:11] Speaker 2: lies and the people who would dream of being the
[12:13] Speaker 2: Prime minister lie, but they don't care because they assume
[12:18] Speaker 2: nobody's listening.
[12:20] Speaker 4: Overall, the pressure on rents will actually be downwards. That's
[12:24] Speaker 4: because we're building more homes and rental prices are set
[12:28] Speaker 4: based on how many rental properties we have and how
[12:30] Speaker 4: many people are in the market now.
[12:33] Speaker 2: I promise not to endlessly talk about Victorian politics. You know,
[12:36] Speaker 2: I'm not a Victorian. I love Victorian and I desperately
[12:38] Speaker 2: hope there's about to be a change of government in Victoria.
[12:40] Speaker 2: But I'm not going to get sucked into the black
[12:42] Speaker 2: hole of constantly talking about Victorian politics. But there is
[12:46] Speaker 2: a little bit of it that I need to wrap
[12:47] Speaker 2: up tonight. Of course, sent to Alan is in a
[12:51] Speaker 2: world of trouble. I'll get to some polling and more
[12:53] Speaker 2: details about her in a second. Jess Wilson, according to
[12:56] Speaker 2: the polls, is currently sitting as the preferred premiere. But
[13:00] Speaker 2: it looks like we are about to get to the
[13:02] Speaker 2: end of the line of the more redeeming Liberal Party story.
[13:06] Speaker 2: She made a decision today which was to no longer
[13:08] Speaker 2: continue with the court action to try to prevent the
[13:11] Speaker 2: Liberal Party from being able to convene to work out
[13:13] Speaker 2: that it's the end of the road and it's time
[13:15] Speaker 2: for her to get booted as a candidate for the party.
[13:19] Speaker 2: Updated this evening is that there is an expectation of
[13:22] Speaker 2: a meeting and that meeting is going to take place tomorrow.
[13:26] Speaker 2: The Supreme Court on Thursday vacated the hearing, which was
[13:29] Speaker 2: due to proceed on Friday, and confirmed the matter would
[13:32] Speaker 2: not proceed. It means there is now no legal barrier
[13:34] Speaker 2: to the party moving to disendorse Misdeeming once senior Liberal
[13:39] Speaker 2: has said. The meeting is set to take place the
[13:41] Speaker 2: party's State executive at five thirty pm on Friday, and
[13:46] Speaker 2: missus Deeming's disindorsement was not in doubt. Look, obviously they
[13:53] Speaker 2: even after being disendorsed. Then of course there will be
[13:55] Speaker 2: a world of pain between now and the election. Is
[13:57] Speaker 2: she still remains a politician? But pretty obvious here, it's
[14:01] Speaker 2: fairly obvious why she can't continue on as a Liberal candidate.
[14:04] Speaker 2: But let's get to some more polling, even more detailed polling,
[14:08] Speaker 2: because the pressure is right on just center Allen, and
[14:12] Speaker 2: the power is there for the Labor MPs to make
[14:14] Speaker 2: a change as soon as Parliament gets back, maybe as
[14:17] Speaker 2: soon as the next couple of weeks. You see, currently
[14:20] Speaker 2: in the lower House you need eighty eight seats to
[14:23] Speaker 2: form a Sorry, there are eighty eight seats in the parliament,
[14:26] Speaker 2: forty five to get a majority. Labour as fifty four
[14:28] Speaker 2: the coalition twenty nine, Greens three and independence two they're
[14:31] Speaker 2: both former Labor people. Well, the red Bridge polling that
[14:37] Speaker 2: was done for the Union Movement, which clearly is a
[14:39] Speaker 2: way of sending a direct signal to those MPs, says
[14:42] Speaker 2: that One Nation would pick up eight seats from Labor,
[14:45] Speaker 2: four from the Coalition, and the Allen government will lose
[14:48] Speaker 2: fifteen seats to the Coalition. According to the red Bridge
[14:50] Speaker 2: Large Scale Analysis of voter intentions, again commissioned by the
[14:55] Speaker 2: Union Movement, that would mean that the forty five seats
[14:58] Speaker 2: for a majority no one would have Labour would fall
[15:01] Speaker 2: to thirty five seats. And this is the median of
[15:04] Speaker 2: those predictions. It can get slightly better, it can get
[15:06] Speaker 2: slightly worse, but thirty five percent of thirty five seats
[15:11] Speaker 2: thirty nine seats for the coalition, they would not be
[15:13] Speaker 2: able to form a government, meaning you go shopping. There
[15:17] Speaker 2: would be no more independence. There is no prediction of
[15:19] Speaker 2: any teal or a country independent popping up. So one
[15:23] Speaker 2: Nation at twelve seats obviously would be able to give
[15:26] Speaker 2: those numbers either to Labor or to the Liberal National Party,
[15:29] Speaker 2: but I would doubt they're going to be backing in
[15:30] Speaker 2: the Labor Party and even with the Greens at four seats.
[15:34] Speaker 2: They wouldn't be able to save the Labor Party. All
[15:37] Speaker 2: of this is fascinating. All of this, of course, is
[15:40] Speaker 2: in the power of the party to decide whether just
[15:44] Speaker 2: into Alan continues on. Remember her position is that she's
[15:49] Speaker 2: just going to grind it out. When it comes to
[15:50] Speaker 2: the calls for a Royal commission into the corruption in
[15:53] Speaker 2: and around the Big build remember she was the minister
[15:56] Speaker 2: for that. She was the Minister for the Commonwealth Games
[15:58] Speaker 2: when they were having the Commonwealth Game. Then of course
[16:00] Speaker 2: she became the Premier and pretends there's nothing to see
[16:03] Speaker 2: here now. In fact, remember it's not fifteen billion dollars
[16:06] Speaker 2: worth of corruption, it's inflation. And even when pushed on
[16:10] Speaker 2: it last night on the ABC, she couldn't say where
[16:12] Speaker 2: the actual number was. That was the price of corruption.
[16:16] Speaker 2: She just kept disputing the fifteen billion dollars. I keep
[16:19] Speaker 2: showing you articles from the Age because nobody would assume
[16:22] Speaker 2: that organization of being backers of the Liberal Party, Little
[16:25] Speaker 2: Hunt one nation, no doubt, they've got many columns between
[16:28] Speaker 2: now and then to run that will do their best
[16:30] Speaker 2: on some level to try to create doubt about a
[16:33] Speaker 2: change of government. But the man who is the state
[16:36] Speaker 2: political editor Who's the one seeing it up close, seeing
[16:40] Speaker 2: their denials, all the rest of it under the headline
[16:43] Speaker 2: the Alan governments can confronting the end of its life.
[16:46] Speaker 2: It should do so with dignity and I love every
[16:49] Speaker 2: word of this. No one knows what will happen at
[16:52] Speaker 2: the November state election, not the parties, not the posters,
[16:54] Speaker 2: nor the political journalists. Absolutely correct, Labor could win. Any
[16:58] Speaker 2: option is possible, nothing is inevitable. But we are likely
[17:02] Speaker 2: nearing the end, in one way or another of a
[17:03] Speaker 2: long serving, highly consequential, and deeply flawed Labor government. Building
[17:09] Speaker 2: Bad is the extreme manifestation of a culture that can
[17:12] Speaker 2: be traced to the secret off book development of the
[17:15] Speaker 2: suburban rail loop, the reckless approach taken towards hosting then
[17:19] Speaker 2: abandoning the Commonwealth Games. Remember Allen was the minister back then.
[17:24] Speaker 2: And if Labour losers government in four months, its epitaph
[17:27] Speaker 2: should read on its Urmstoney fourteen to twenty twenty six,
[17:32] Speaker 2: whatever it costs, literally and figuratively. Now, as you know,
[17:38] Speaker 2: I never hired that I am a smoker. It's a
[17:41] Speaker 2: stupid decision. It will limit my health. I know I
[17:44] Speaker 2: should be smarter than that, but I also am very
[17:47] Speaker 2: aware of what the consequences have been in the amount
[17:51] Speaker 2: of people that are smoking right now in Australia. In fact,
[17:53] Speaker 2: the consumption nicotine has gone up, and we've also had
[17:56] Speaker 2: a scenario that what they are consuming is the illegal stuff.
[18:00] Speaker 2: The illegal stuff is run by the criminal gains, which
[18:03] Speaker 2: is resulting in the fire bombs of tobacconists tier tobacconists there.
[18:08] Speaker 2: So the solution from the state governments is to tell
[18:11] Speaker 2: the federal government your taxation on legal tobacco is too high,
[18:15] Speaker 2: so you need to bring it down. So the people
[18:18] Speaker 2: who are smoking, despite the fact it's a stupid decision
[18:20] Speaker 2: doing horrible things to our health, don't end up being
[18:24] Speaker 2: attracted to the cheaper product because there's not the taxation
[18:27] Speaker 2: connected to it. That people Yes, no, they've got to
[18:30] Speaker 2: pay tax, but they wouldn't be being forced into the
[18:34] Speaker 2: illegal choice as opposed to just more revenue for the government.
[18:40] Speaker 6: This is another example of federal politicians being willful in
[18:43] Speaker 6: the face of overwhelming evidence that that escalating exercise on
[18:47] Speaker 6: tobacco products is not working. Miss isa Ani tax in
[18:50] Speaker 6: the world that's doubled, but the revenue collected has halved,
[18:54] Speaker 6: and you'd be so foolish to believe, as some health
[18:57] Speaker 6: bureaucrats continue to insist oaking rates have declined, they haven't
[19:02] Speaker 6: declined at all.
[19:02] Speaker 1: They're just all on the black market.
[19:04] Speaker 2: You can't tax your way out of a black market.
[19:06] Speaker 7: Canberra's tax hikes have fueled the illegal tobacco market. We
[19:11] Speaker 7: in Tasmania have brought in stronger penalties to crack down
[19:14] Speaker 7: on the black market, and now it's time for Canberra
[19:17] Speaker 7: to lower the tax hikes that are fueling it.
[19:21] Speaker 2: Two premiers, two different political parties, the obvious demand being
[19:24] Speaker 2: made here. But speaking of foolish, clueless claronell when she's
[19:27] Speaker 2: not lying to you about rents, well, now she's out
[19:30] Speaker 2: and about again with the talking points tattooed to her eyelids.
[19:34] Speaker 2: Nothing to see here. Taxes have nothing to do with
[19:37] Speaker 2: white people by cheap illegal tobacco.
[19:41] Speaker 4: So you asked about the taxation issue. This is not
[19:44] Speaker 4: a tax problem. It is an enforcement problem. What we
[19:47] Speaker 4: need to do is lift the protections on the border
[19:51] Speaker 4: to try to stop allegal tobacco coming into Australia and
[19:54] Speaker 4: then work with the States to stop it being sold
[19:56] Speaker 4: in corner shops around the country.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Soft the protections that allow it to be imported at
[20:02] Speaker 2: the border. Who's in charge of the borders. Oh, it's
[20:06] Speaker 2: just a state gumping issue. They don't have enough cops.
[20:07] Speaker 2: They aren't running around with enough clipboards. Please pull the
[20:10] Speaker 2: other one and place jingle bells. The New Sopil's Health Minister,
[20:14] Speaker 2: echoing the position of his leader, Chris Wins, the Premier
[20:17] Speaker 2: of New South Wales, is talking here about the reality
[20:20] Speaker 2: that as cheap as the illegal stuff is, what it
[20:23] Speaker 2: means is that more people are taking up this horrible
[20:26] Speaker 2: life shortening habit. The New South Wales Health Minister Ryan
[20:30] Speaker 2: Park is raising the alarm as if he is the
[20:32] Speaker 2: next generation of young people are hooked on nicotine, after
[20:35] Speaker 2: the latest Australian Bureau Statistics data showed the nation's consumed
[20:39] Speaker 2: forty percent more nicotine since twenty seventeen. Federal Treasury sets
[20:45] Speaker 2: tobacco excis now at a dollar fifty three per cigarette,
[20:48] Speaker 2: or thirty dollars a packet for just twenty retailing for
[20:53] Speaker 2: forty five dollars. Since twenty sixteen, the price of legal
[20:58] Speaker 2: tobacco has tripled, largely because of excise tax rises, including
[21:04] Speaker 2: the annual twelve and a half percent tax rises from
[21:07] Speaker 2: thirteen to two thousand and twenty. Angus Taylor is the
[21:13] Speaker 2: opposition leader. He joins us now ahead of a tax
[21:16] Speaker 2: forum which I think he's had tonight on the fringes
[21:18] Speaker 2: of Melbourne. Mate, what did you discuss with the good
[21:21] Speaker 2: people of Victoria tonight.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Well, Paul, thank you for having me.
[21:27] Speaker 8: And I'm here on the edge of Melbourne and we've
[21:31] Speaker 8: been talking with small business people about the challenges they're facing,
[21:34] Speaker 8: and of course right at the top of that list
[21:36] Speaker 8: is Labour's new taxes on capital gains, on trusts, on
[21:40] Speaker 8: small businesses. And they're amongst the very hardest working people
[21:44] Speaker 8: in our country, of course, Paul, as you know only
[21:47] Speaker 8: too well, they're the backbone of our communities, particularly suburban
[21:51] Speaker 8: communities and regional communities like around here, and they feel
[21:55] Speaker 8: like they're being punished by a government, by a government
[21:58] Speaker 8: that doesn't believe in reward hard work and thinks that
[22:01] Speaker 8: small businesses need to be tax more to pay for
[22:04] Speaker 8: this government spending spru What was.
[22:07] Speaker 2: It like meeting Dave Hughes today. I'd love to know
[22:09] Speaker 2: who reached out to who, But what was that conversation?
[22:12] Speaker 2: Like he is by his own admission a lifetime Labor vode,
[22:15] Speaker 2: but he sat down, he had a chat and he
[22:16] Speaker 2: wanted to talk tax as well.
[22:20] Speaker 1: Well.
[22:20] Speaker 8: No, it was great to speak to Dave and he
[22:23] Speaker 8: is a great person who is very angry about the
[22:27] Speaker 8: situation here in Victoria and the situation in Australia right now.
[22:31] Speaker 8: And I think he shares the view that so many
[22:33] Speaker 8: Australians do that this country is heading in the wrong
[22:36] Speaker 8: direction and they're angry about it, they're frustrated about it,
[22:39] Speaker 8: and they want better. They want better state governments, they
[22:41] Speaker 8: want better federal governments, and of course that's very clear
[22:44] Speaker 8: here in Victoria where we've got a rotten state government,
[22:47] Speaker 8: and of course this federal government is taking our country
[22:50] Speaker 8: in the wrong direction.
[22:52] Speaker 2: Now we've seen a suggestion from the former Labor Party president,
[22:55] Speaker 2: the former Treasurer of Wayne Swan, who was of course
[22:57] Speaker 2: now tied up inside the Union Super Well, he wants
[23:01] Speaker 2: a closer tie between superannuation and Centerlink. What is he
[23:05] Speaker 2: suggesting here and what would be the consequences?
[23:10] Speaker 1: Well, look, it's a great question.
[23:13] Speaker 8: It's a great question because I don't know exactly what
[23:16] Speaker 8: he is suggesting.
[23:17] Speaker 1: But I've got I've got a few thoughts on this.
[23:19] Speaker 8: Number one is that like so many people in the
[23:23] Speaker 8: Labor they want to get hold of people's Australian superannuation.
[23:26] Speaker 1: It's their money.
[23:28] Speaker 8: It's their money, Paul, It's not the Labor Party's money,
[23:31] Speaker 8: it's not the government's money. It's Australian's money, and so
[23:34] Speaker 8: any attempt to grab that money and use it for
[23:36] Speaker 8: the government's.
[23:37] Speaker 1: Purposes would be completely wrong.
[23:40] Speaker 8: He's also talked about the industry super funds are running
[23:44] Speaker 8: aspects of Center Link.
[23:46] Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, why would.
[23:49] Speaker 8: We want the industry super funds administering pensions. I mean,
[23:52] Speaker 8: this makes no sense whatsoever. These are mates of the
[23:55] Speaker 8: Labor Party that he's referring to, no doubt, but that's
[23:59] Speaker 8: not the right answer for this country right now, and
[24:01] Speaker 8: we certainly shouldn't see the Labor Party and the Government
[24:05] Speaker 8: getting hold of people's superannuation now.
[24:07] Speaker 2: In budget, in reply again all of the polling that
[24:10] Speaker 2: told us that the lies that have now become law
[24:12] Speaker 2: were unpopular. In fact, polling even said they got more
[24:15] Speaker 2: unpopular the closest they came to becoming law. You spoke
[24:19] Speaker 2: very obviously about trying to introduce a system to stop
[24:22] Speaker 2: bracket creep, but of course that seems to be part
[24:25] Speaker 2: of the entire fiscal solution for at least some of
[24:28] Speaker 2: the fiddling of the books that happens between now and
[24:31] Speaker 2: the next election. Also, you spoke very openly and again
[24:35] Speaker 2: Poles seem to like the idea of linking immigration to housing.
[24:39] Speaker 2: There has been an uptick for the Libs for the
[24:41] Speaker 2: first time in a long time. But I don't hear
[24:44] Speaker 2: you talk as much about those policies. I don't see
[24:47] Speaker 2: it as much on social media. I have no doubt
[24:49] Speaker 2: that you mention it in the odd interview. I have
[24:51] Speaker 2: no doubt that you mention it when you get in
[24:53] Speaker 2: front of people. But why does it seem there doesn't
[24:56] Speaker 2: seem to be the hammer home of two things. Polling
[25:00] Speaker 2: tells you are more popular than anything the government did
[25:03] Speaker 2: in a budget.
[25:07] Speaker 8: Well, I do talk about those things every single day,
[25:09] Speaker 8: and they're on my social media. If you go through
[25:11] Speaker 8: my social media page, and I encourage everyone Washington Night
[25:14] Speaker 8: and go onto my social media page, you'll see lots
[25:17] Speaker 8: about our tax back guarantee, on making sure that we
[25:21] Speaker 8: tap migration in this country based on our housing supply,
[25:24] Speaker 8: on a foard of a reliable energy, on dropping the
[25:27] Speaker 8: moratorium on nuclear and making full use of our natural resources,
[25:31] Speaker 8: our coal and our gas in this country, and on
[25:34] Speaker 8: dropping Labour's toxic taxes, and of course putting Australians first, Paul,
[25:39] Speaker 8: and that means properly funding our warfighters and our defense force.
[25:42] Speaker 1: So it is a strong focus for us.
[25:45] Speaker 8: The truth is that Labour's toxic taxes and acting those
[25:48] Speaker 8: taxes has been a huge part of the focus of
[25:50] Speaker 8: the media in the last couple of months because they're
[25:53] Speaker 8: going to devastate those taxes. They're going to devastate small businesses,
[25:57] Speaker 8: they're going to devastate savings and investment. They're going to
[26:00] Speaker 8: devastate the housing market. We're seeing a complete loss of
[26:02] Speaker 8: confidence in the housing market as a result of these taxes.
[26:05] Speaker 8: So Labour's toxic taxes have taken top billing.
[26:08] Speaker 1: That's true.
[26:09] Speaker 8: But we're going to continue talking about our positive policies
[26:12] Speaker 8: because they are the right answer. It's the right plan
[26:14] Speaker 8: for this country at a time when we need a
[26:17] Speaker 8: clear direction and we're not getting that from labor.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Last one here and I don't think it's a secret
[26:21] Speaker 2: that I'm the hardest market there is when it comes
[26:23] Speaker 2: to this government. And I don't like what seems to
[26:25] Speaker 2: have been suggested yesterday about their plan when it comes
[26:28] Speaker 2: to introducing some new form of bureaucracy. Yes, power greater
[26:35] Speaker 2: importance because it's inside Prime Minister and Cabinet to deal
[26:37] Speaker 2: with AI, but all of us have not really got
[26:41] Speaker 2: our head around all of the regulatory consequences of this.
[26:44] Speaker 2: Is there a moment where a certain amount of bipartisanship
[26:47] Speaker 2: here is important rather than the automatic sort of political reflex,
[26:52] Speaker 2: which is whatever they announce is wrong. Here are their
[26:55] Speaker 2: ideas that the coalition, rather than waiting for an election,
[26:59] Speaker 2: would be offering about how to regulate this place, so
[27:03] Speaker 2: we don't look back in a year, two years, five
[27:05] Speaker 2: years and realize that's when we could have made the difference.
[27:11] Speaker 1: I completely agree with that.
[27:12] Speaker 8: Paul absolutely right, and the more we can be bipartisan
[27:16] Speaker 8: on this, the better.
[27:17] Speaker 1: But it's got to get to specifics.
[27:18] Speaker 8: It can't just be motherhood and apple Pier, can't just
[27:21] Speaker 8: be more bureaucracy. So we need to have a relationship
[27:25] Speaker 8: with the United States and alliance with the United States
[27:27] Speaker 8: where we get access to the very best frontier models,
[27:31] Speaker 8: the most advanced models for our cyber defense. In this country.
[27:35] Speaker 8: We know cyber attack is constant now. It is an
[27:38] Speaker 8: absolute constant for systems right across this country, in the
[27:42] Speaker 8: private sector and the public sector, and so we need
[27:45] Speaker 8: to have the very best models to defend against those attacks,
[27:49] Speaker 8: and that means having a relationship with the United States
[27:52] Speaker 8: where we get access to that. We need to make
[27:54] Speaker 8: sure our creators, our singers and songwriters, our writers more
[28:01] Speaker 8: generally are able to have their intellectual property, what they do,
[28:05] Speaker 8: their songs and their writings protected. They must be protected
[28:09] Speaker 8: and we'll work with Labor to make sure that is
[28:12] Speaker 8: the case. And we need to make sure young Australians
[28:14] Speaker 8: have the skills that they need at a time when
[28:18] Speaker 8: we're seeing real disruption in education and real disruption that's
[28:22] Speaker 8: likely to emerge in parts of the workplace. So these
[28:25] Speaker 8: are things we are very happy to work with the
[28:27] Speaker 8: Labor Party on the government on Paul. But you need
[28:32] Speaker 8: something more than the motherhood we've seen from the Prime Minister,
[28:35] Speaker 8: which is really all we've got so far, an office
[28:37] Speaker 8: inside his office.
[28:38] Speaker 2: It's got to be more than that, fair point, Thank
[28:40] Speaker 2: you very much. Angus again, follow them on social media,
[28:42] Speaker 2: Follow all of them on social media, so you know
[28:44] Speaker 2: what's going on. But thankfully not some of those idiot
[28:46] Speaker 2: back benches when it comes to the government, they're just
[28:49] Speaker 2: wasting your time. But back in the leaders appreciate it.
[28:51] Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Angus, all the best. Good to
[28:55] Speaker 2: be with you, Angus Taylor, who is the opposition leader
[28:57] Speaker 2: of course, and he's there in Victoria. Quick things before
[29:01] Speaker 2: we move on to the nosooks and no lefties conversation tonight,
[29:04] Speaker 2: the winners and losers and crowning of that. I've got
[29:06] Speaker 2: to mention some uncomfortable news. If like me, you were
[29:09] Speaker 2: hoping that England would make it all the way to
[29:11] Speaker 2: the World Cup final, Sadly they didn't. Argentina ended up
[29:14] Speaker 2: beating them. It is all incredibly heartbreaking. Just a shout
[29:18] Speaker 2: out to all the fans whose hearts were broken, particularly
[29:22] Speaker 2: all of our English mates around the country who got
[29:25] Speaker 2: up very early and everyone else who wanted them to
[29:27] Speaker 2: have a phenomenal result. A lot of nasty stuff on
[29:31] Speaker 2: social media. I just can tell how deeply it hurts.
[29:34] Speaker 2: So I just wanted to say shout out, I recognize
[29:36] Speaker 2: that's happening. If you want to watch it all live,
[29:39] Speaker 2: the final between Spain and Argentina will be happening on
[29:43] Speaker 2: five am on Monday, the twentieth of July. The location
[29:46] Speaker 2: is what is a Midlife Stadium. It's where my New
[29:48] Speaker 2: York Jets play in the NFL, but it is in
[29:51] Speaker 2: technically New Jersey, not New York, and that's where the
[29:53] Speaker 2: final is going to be. They've also decided half time
[29:55] Speaker 2: is going to go for thirty minutes, which is the
[29:58] Speaker 2: first time in a World Cup final. But I'm su
[30:00] Speaker 2: or that's just more time for Shakira to do Shakira
[30:02] Speaker 2: stuff or Madonna. I think it's getting a crack, isn't she.
[30:05] Speaker 2: And one last reminder that we're on our way to
[30:07] Speaker 2: Armadale next weekend. If you'd like to join us for
[30:09] Speaker 2: our town there, you know what to do. You send
[30:11] Speaker 2: me an email which is ourtown. It's goynews dot com.
[30:13] Speaker 2: That are u Armadale for our town, not this next
[30:16] Speaker 2: Sunday our town. It's goynews dot com dot Au. More
[30:19] Speaker 2: than a sec no sooks, no left. He is on
[30:21] Speaker 2: a Thursday night. Thanks so much for watching. We might
[30:24] Speaker 2: find some more time to talk about the Prime minister's
[30:26] Speaker 2: latest lie. Just a little bit of time to talk
[30:30] Speaker 2: about the latest example of it. Now it's to the
[30:32] Speaker 2: people at the Garma festival. Wow, I didn't see this
[30:35] Speaker 2: lie coming. Thank you so much for watching in the
[30:43] Speaker 2: man Cave is the wonderful Lisa God. I'd love you
[30:45] Speaker 2: to see you of course from Madoni Media. How you been.
[30:47] Speaker 5: I'm good. It is always so nice to end the
[30:49] Speaker 5: week here.
[30:49] Speaker 2: It's get a little fireplace going in the corner there
[30:52] Speaker 2: somewhere to the TV week. We get it right, okay.
[30:55] Speaker 2: Roscadell of course, national Senator in New South Wales, he
[30:58] Speaker 2: joins us now from cam So very interesting little story
[31:03] Speaker 2: that is around the moment of the Northern Land Council
[31:06] Speaker 2: has told a parliamentary committee that they would like to
[31:10] Speaker 2: see essentially racially divisive comments about indigenous people get ramped
[31:18] Speaker 2: up to a version of hate crime, essentially a new
[31:21] Speaker 2: form of discrimination, something that should be criminalized. Now, obviously
[31:26] Speaker 2: all of us are going to agree that people peddling
[31:29] Speaker 2: in that stuff not acceptable. But what's fascinating here Ross
[31:32] Speaker 2: is whether there will be another little diversion here and
[31:36] Speaker 2: another little split in the law. Can you imagine this happening.
[31:42] Speaker 9: Under this government and the Greens. Absolutely, I can imagine
[31:44] Speaker 9: anything happening that was to divide Australia. It's what they're
[31:46] Speaker 9: great at. The only thing they're passing at is dividing
[31:49] Speaker 9: Australians on different values. And they hail but look this
[31:53] Speaker 9: case and I get a very tragic case up there
[31:56] Speaker 9: on what happened where people run down in person passed away.
[31:58] Speaker 9: I can't believe the guy I didn't up in jail
[32:00] Speaker 9: for what it was like. That's just unbelievable to me.
[32:03] Speaker 9: And you know, but you know, bad people come in
[32:06] Speaker 9: all shapes, color size, race, creeds, all of these things.
[32:09] Speaker 9: If we start making crimes just because you know someone
[32:14] Speaker 9: with the victim was a certain thing, that is a problem.
[32:16] Speaker 9: But you know, we have to be careful on this
[32:18] Speaker 9: hate speech. That is where you know, I got sacked
[32:20] Speaker 9: for supporting freedom of speech in the Chamber of voting
[32:23] Speaker 9: the way against the party or against the Liberpoody lines
[32:26] Speaker 9: on this. But so freedom of speech is my cornerstone.
[32:30] Speaker 9: You shouldn't insite violence, you shouldn't be able to incite hate,
[32:33] Speaker 9: and you shouldn't act upon them. And I can see
[32:35] Speaker 9: that why that is a thing, but it can't be
[32:38] Speaker 9: broadbushet needs to be really really valid there. I didn't
[32:41] Speaker 9: see all the comments from the committee about some of
[32:43] Speaker 9: these things this guy said when he did this, But
[32:46] Speaker 9: anyone who acts with malice and forethought should face the
[32:50] Speaker 9: full weight of law, no matter why it was victicated.
[32:52] Speaker 9: He did this with malice, he did it with forethought.
[32:54] Speaker 9: He should take everything he gets.
[32:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you completely. But also Lisa, it's this
[32:59] Speaker 2: thing where you want to create laws for the twenty
[33:01] Speaker 2: eight million permutations that are the citizen not elevating one
[33:06] Speaker 2: group over another. What do you reckon?
[33:09] Speaker 5: Well, you have to have equality in law.
[33:10] Speaker 10: Surely that's the starting point with all of this, right,
[33:13] Speaker 10: and if you look at this particular case, Look, it
[33:15] Speaker 10: was repugnant what some of those text messages.
[33:17] Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
[33:18] Speaker 10: However, the court looked at those text messages when it
[33:21] Speaker 10: came to sentencing. Yes, I agree it's shocking that there
[33:24] Speaker 10: was a home home detention, but they looked at that.
[33:28] Speaker 5: They took that into account.
[33:29] Speaker 10: So if again, like Ross said, it has to be
[33:31] Speaker 10: has to look at freedom of speech, you can't just
[33:33] Speaker 10: be siloing it down into one particular ethnic race or
[33:38] Speaker 10: one particular group.
[33:39] Speaker 5: I think that is particularly dangerous.
[33:41] Speaker 2: Now we all remember how evil the Liberal had the
[33:45] Speaker 2: Labor Party got when the Prime Minister of the country.
[33:49] Speaker 2: Of course went off to Hawaii at the height of
[33:50] Speaker 2: the fires. And it's all his fold because you're not
[33:52] Speaker 2: allowed to have holidays, right, But of course none of
[33:55] Speaker 2: such rules applied to this Prime minister. And I'm going
[33:58] Speaker 2: to be consistent. Prime ministers are allowed to have holidays,
[34:01] Speaker 2: and they're allowed to have irregular timing of those holidays, right.
[34:05] Speaker 2: But I am amazed that the Prime Minister has decided, oh,
[34:10] Speaker 2: this is the time when I can have a holiday,
[34:12] Speaker 2: and that time exactly overlaps with the Garma festival. Now
[34:15] Speaker 2: why does this matter at all? Because he made the
[34:18] Speaker 2: big song and dance not ten years ago last year
[34:23] Speaker 2: that he would always go to this festival that has
[34:25] Speaker 2: great importance to the Indigenous community.
[34:30] Speaker 3: And I commit here that every single year, as that
[34:35] Speaker 3: I have the great honor to the Australia as Prime Minister,
[34:39] Speaker 3: I will be here and engaged with you.
[34:44] Speaker 2: Now he's not going right because he needs day off.
[34:46] Speaker 2: He has had a day off this year, which again
[34:48] Speaker 2: is absolutely fair, but no one wants to hear that
[34:51] Speaker 2: from their elected politicians. To the PAS.
[34:53] Speaker 10: Oh, you're being very hard on him. He has had
[34:55] Speaker 10: to admit this, you know, while he was feeling sick.
[34:57] Speaker 5: He's got the flute. Look, I get it's a tough job.
[34:59] Speaker 5: Get he hasn't had a day off.
[35:01] Speaker 10: But he also did say I will be there every
[35:05] Speaker 10: year as.
[35:05] Speaker 5: Long as I'm Prime Minister.
[35:06] Speaker 10: So he was quite happy to be there when he
[35:08] Speaker 10: was announcing the referendum for the Voice, he was quite
[35:11] Speaker 10: happy to be there for the past two years talking
[35:13] Speaker 10: about the challenges for the Indigenous people in this country.
[35:16] Speaker 5: But this year no.
[35:18] Speaker 10: So I'm sorry Caleb Bond. But when you've got elbow
[35:20] Speaker 10: saying my word is my bond? Well here again, clearly it.
[35:24] Speaker 2: Isn't ye correct again, senator Right. Look, they're all free
[35:27] Speaker 2: to do what they want to. They're all free to
[35:29] Speaker 2: go to what they choose to go to, they're all
[35:31] Speaker 2: free to have a holiday. But if you make a
[35:32] Speaker 2: song and dance said, hey, I'm going to be here
[35:34] Speaker 2: all the time. I'll never give up on you. I'll
[35:36] Speaker 2: be always in your corner. I'll bring Prime Ministerial shine
[35:39] Speaker 2: to this event every chance I get. And then the
[35:41] Speaker 2: first chance he gets, nah, I just I'm buggering off
[35:44] Speaker 2: for a while.
[35:46] Speaker 9: And that's the problem. The problem isn't he has a break.
[35:48] Speaker 1: Everyone deserves a break like I.
[35:51] Speaker 9: Can tell you my preselection is coming up in a
[35:53] Speaker 9: little bit of time, and my son comes to me
[35:54] Speaker 9: and goes, oh, you're a way a lot. Can you
[35:56] Speaker 9: not go again?
[35:56] Speaker 1: I prefer you to be at home.
[35:57] Speaker 9: It's a pressure on you. But you don't go out
[35:59] Speaker 9: there and say I'll be here every year because you're
[36:03] Speaker 9: just being a suckle. What you're doing is you're saying
[36:05] Speaker 9: something you know you can't keep. He's saying's something you
[36:07] Speaker 9: won't keep. And this is the case. He always goes
[36:10] Speaker 9: too big. He just says stuff and you're polling up
[36:13] Speaker 9: on the trust thing is so important. People won't trust
[36:16] Speaker 9: you if you don't trust them. And this Prime Minister
[36:19] Speaker 9: and this government does not trust the people of Australia
[36:20] Speaker 9: with information, doesn't trust them or anything. So that he
[36:23] Speaker 9: could have said I'll come here as often as I can.
[36:26] Speaker 9: It's a marginal difference to how that's received. But it
[36:29] Speaker 9: is just he always over promises and underdelivers and that
[36:33] Speaker 9: is what this government does.
[36:34] Speaker 2: But what I love now is that what's going to
[36:36] Speaker 2: be inevitably a result of this conversations or the left
[36:38] Speaker 2: is you know, banging the way they've got the thumbs
[36:39] Speaker 2: ready on blue sky, Sorry, not on it, don't care
[36:42] Speaker 2: which is going to be. Well, these people never care
[36:44] Speaker 2: about the Gunment festival. Now they suddenly care about the
[36:46] Speaker 2: Gunment festival. Did you see the start of the conversation.
[36:49] Speaker 2: He's the one who made the promise, right, He's the
[36:51] Speaker 2: one who's backed out in it, which means he's the
[36:53] Speaker 2: one who's the lie. Okay, focus on him because that's
[36:56] Speaker 2: actually the thing we're talking about him now. I care
[36:58] Speaker 2: a lot about this story, and I am glad that
[37:01] Speaker 2: there is anyone in politics, be it the government of
[37:04] Speaker 2: the day or potential in future government, that wants to
[37:07] Speaker 2: go after slave labor. Now, apparently the government's going to
[37:10] Speaker 2: introduce some new bells and whistles that is going to
[37:13] Speaker 2: go after companies that involved forced labor as part of
[37:17] Speaker 2: their global supply chains. But the small problem here lesi
[37:21] Speaker 2: is that one of the biggest places Australia gets, among
[37:24] Speaker 2: other things, solar panels from, is China, and the biggest
[37:28] Speaker 2: producer of the solar panels is the area where the
[37:31] Speaker 2: wigas are forced into the making of those things. Joe
[37:37] Speaker 2: Biden just like a broken clock, right. A couple of
[37:40] Speaker 2: times even he banned the importation of a slave labor,
[37:45] Speaker 2: sol or renewable technology from China. I believe this is
[37:50] Speaker 2: the thing they want to do. If that's where they
[37:53] Speaker 2: come out and say, and you know what, the stuff
[37:55] Speaker 2: being made by slaves in China. No, it's not coming
[37:58] Speaker 2: in and we're not paying for it through the side
[38:00] Speaker 2: door of subsidies.
[38:01] Speaker 10: But isn't that just putting your money where your mouth
[38:03] Speaker 10: is correct? Isn't it just saying, look, you know, we're
[38:06] Speaker 10: all for the green dream, but actually, if we're going
[38:09] Speaker 10: to hold other businesses to account for modern day slavery,
[38:12] Speaker 10: we all all the businesses. Now, there's so much pressure
[38:14] Speaker 10: on corporates to have all these policies in place. You
[38:17] Speaker 10: tried doing a government procurement contract. You try doing that
[38:20] Speaker 10: and see the questions you get asked. And yet yeah,
[38:22] Speaker 10: you're right. They should now say okay, well we'll lead
[38:25] Speaker 10: and show some true leadership here.
[38:27] Speaker 5: And say no, no more of those panels from China.
[38:29] Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I mean again, Ross, this is sort
[38:31] Speaker 2: of the kick from right in front. But it's such
[38:34] Speaker 2: an easy goal, but it's one they won't because, of course,
[38:36] Speaker 2: becomes cross purposes a little bit like how everything the
[38:39] Speaker 2: CSIRO has ever written as if it was coming down
[38:42] Speaker 2: on tablets from on high until this week, where of
[38:45] Speaker 2: course they sort of muddied the waters a little bit.
[38:47] Speaker 2: On the cost of coal versus renewable.
[38:51] Speaker 9: Yeah, that was an interesting one that you know, their
[38:53] Speaker 9: gen cost that has to be relied on of all,
[38:56] Speaker 9: even though nuclear plants under there in the last about
[38:58] Speaker 9: forty years suddenly cheap art. That's an inconvenient truth. But
[39:02] Speaker 9: you know that thing. But this is coming back to
[39:04] Speaker 9: even the slave labor stuff.
[39:05] Speaker 2: This is the.
[39:06] Speaker 9: Blind eye that this government, labor and elbow all turn
[39:09] Speaker 9: to things that are inconvenient for them. They won't look
[39:11] Speaker 9: at the fact that coal is cheaper gen costs. They
[39:14] Speaker 9: won't look at the slave labor coming from the wigas.
[39:16] Speaker 9: They don't look at the child minders for lithium in
[39:19] Speaker 9: Africa because that is inconvenient for them. They want this.
[39:22] Speaker 9: They controlling the narrative, don't give information. And when it
[39:26] Speaker 9: comes to something even like you saw this Csiro, these
[39:30] Speaker 9: great body even they've had to come out and say, look,
[39:32] Speaker 9: even though coal's cheaper, it comes at an unbearable cost
[39:34] Speaker 9: of the environment. Our one percent is unbearable to save
[39:37] Speaker 9: people money and it just gets me that they go
[39:39] Speaker 9: out there and you look at your transmission lines. If
[39:42] Speaker 9: you're getting coal power, which is cheap, you still have
[39:44] Speaker 9: to pay for the thousands of kilometers of transmission lines
[39:47] Speaker 9: that solar has to do, and that's factored in.
[39:49] Speaker 2: It's just rubbish.
[39:50] Speaker 9: And the inconvenient truth is not about what the movie
[39:54] Speaker 9: was about. It's about your energy bills and what this
[39:56] Speaker 9: government doesn't tell you.
[39:56] Speaker 2: All Right, Winners and losers the week, Lisa godd who
[39:59] Speaker 2: stands out for you?
[40:00] Speaker 5: This is a bit left of center.
[40:01] Speaker 10: So there's an Australian swimmer brand called Nashi. Now they
[40:04] Speaker 10: took on Trump over the tariffs and of one so
[40:06] Speaker 10: they've had a nice little deposit into their bank account
[40:08] Speaker 10: of a six figure number that no one will know
[40:10] Speaker 10: quite what that number is ever, But I think they're
[40:12] Speaker 10: the winner loser. It's predictable, Harry. However, Elton John is
[40:17] Speaker 10: also the loser in this because he was one who
[40:19] Speaker 10: had to say, hey I am not an ATM.
[40:21] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, correctly'll be fascinating this l r at Ross
[40:23] Speaker 2: ups and downs? What's for you?
[40:26] Speaker 1: Make?
[40:26] Speaker 9: Count Binfath. There's a guy that's been a joke candidate
[40:29] Speaker 9: at one point nine and suddenly he's been contested. Who
[40:32] Speaker 9: can blame him with policies such as capping the price
[40:35] Speaker 9: of kebabs. That's something we should bring over here. Why
[40:38] Speaker 9: loser is Clara O'Neil again? She opened only happens her
[40:41] Speaker 9: mouth to change feet and we want to see more
[40:43] Speaker 9: of her, so please promote her more and more correct.
[40:45] Speaker 2: Keep sending her under sunrise, keep sending her under sunrise,
[40:48] Speaker 2: because that's where it all happens. At you and every week,
[40:51] Speaker 2: a couple of times a week. Appreciate it. Thank you guys.
[40:53] Speaker 2: Quick break back with more call and flinging. Joins us
[40:55] Speaker 2: to talk about Anne Wittkams. She's, of course the Reform
[40:58] Speaker 2: Party spokesperson who was murder this week. He had the
[41:00] Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to her not that long ago. Feisty lady,
[41:04] Speaker 2: special bloke. We'll talk about her next. Colin Flimm is
[41:11] Speaker 2: the man that we love to talk to at the
[41:13] Speaker 2: end of each and every one of our working weeks
[41:15] Speaker 2: to talk about things that matter. And Colin, you had
[41:18] Speaker 2: the opportunity to be able to interview Anne Whittickam and
[41:21] Speaker 2: we all know sadly what happened to her. There's a
[41:25] Speaker 2: criminal process that will begin sooner rather than later. But
[41:28] Speaker 2: she was a woman of deep faith. But she was
[41:30] Speaker 2: also a woman who was unafraid to speak of what
[41:33] Speaker 2: she believed. What was she like to meet?
[41:37] Speaker 11: Hey, Paul, And you're absolutely right, you hit the nail
[41:40] Speaker 11: on the head because she was many people would describe
[41:43] Speaker 11: her as being fearless. You know, twenty three years serving
[41:46] Speaker 11: her country as a member of Parliament in the UK,
[41:49] Speaker 11: and she was a staunch conservative.
[41:52] Speaker 1: She really stood for.
[41:53] Speaker 2: Their values and morals.
[41:55] Speaker 11: She was not afraid to go on TV and defend them,
[41:57] Speaker 11: even when it was politically unpopular to do so. And
[42:01] Speaker 11: whether people agreed with her and liked her or not,
[42:03] Speaker 11: they couldn't help but be drawn to the kind of
[42:05] Speaker 11: character that she was. She was a wonderful person when
[42:09] Speaker 11: you met her. I had been following her career for
[42:11] Speaker 11: a long time, and the reason that I went to
[42:13] Speaker 11: interviewer Paul is that working at the Vatican and covering
[42:15] Speaker 11: the Pope, part of that job was also traveling all
[42:18] Speaker 11: over the world and interviewing strong and prominent Catholics. So
[42:22] Speaker 11: I could be sent to East Tmoor to interview the
[42:24] Speaker 11: president who's Catholic after he won a Nobel Peace prize
[42:28] Speaker 11: or Andrey Bucelli about his music and faith or sports
[42:31] Speaker 11: star in the US, and then they sent me to
[42:33] Speaker 11: interview one of the most well known and prominent politicians
[42:36] Speaker 11: in the United Kingdom and that was Anne Whitcombe. So
[42:39] Speaker 11: we went to the beautiful Royal Air Force Club in
[42:41] Speaker 11: Piccadilly in the center of London, and you know, a
[42:44] Speaker 11: bit nervous with the crew because you see someone on
[42:47] Speaker 11: TV and Paul, as you know, in this game, people
[42:50] Speaker 11: can be one way on camera and maybe in reality
[42:53] Speaker 11: they're a different way. But when Anne turned up it
[42:56] Speaker 11: was incredible because she was exactly as you saw and
[42:59] Speaker 11: tell vision no nonsense, calling a spade a spade a
[43:02] Speaker 11: shovel of shovel. And there was a warmth to her
[43:05] Speaker 11: as well because she was known as well for being
[43:07] Speaker 11: a little bit of what they called an eccentric character
[43:10] Speaker 11: in that you know, when people are trying to be
[43:12] Speaker 11: cool and they have PC brigades beside them and communications
[43:16] Speaker 11: experts and pure strategists say this act this way because
[43:20] Speaker 11: people will like you. And would talk about her cats
[43:23] Speaker 11: a lot, so while she was a member of Parliament,
[43:25] Speaker 11: she would also say that look, I've got these cats
[43:27] Speaker 11: that I love at home. She even had a website
[43:29] Speaker 11: devoted to her cats. But I sat down with her
[43:32] Speaker 11: for this interview, and now it's poignant because although she
[43:35] Speaker 11: was always on television as a political commentator and an analysist,
[43:39] Speaker 11: this was one of her last sit down, full one
[43:42] Speaker 11: on one interviews where she talked not about politics and
[43:44] Speaker 11: policy but about her personal side. And in the first
[43:48] Speaker 11: clip I want to share with you, Paul, I asked her,
[43:50] Speaker 11: and again so poignant now after her passing, but we
[43:53] Speaker 11: didn't know at the time. I asked her, any regrets
[43:56] Speaker 11: when you look back at your career and your life.
[43:58] Speaker 11: And here's what she said.
[44:01] Speaker 12: I mean, bless the person who's got no regrets.
[44:05] Speaker 2: Bring in the truckload of regrets. Back it up.
[44:09] Speaker 12: I think the answer is, I don't have any regrets
[44:11] Speaker 12: about the big decisions I've taken in life. I mean
[44:13] Speaker 12: to go into politics, to become a Catholic. No, no
[44:18] Speaker 12: regrets about the big decisions. Obviously, always regret you know,
[44:23] Speaker 12: how you may have handled something, or oh, no mistakes
[44:27] Speaker 12: that you might have made in your career.
[44:29] Speaker 5: But no, no big.
[44:30] Speaker 11: Regrets that you didn't become that astronaut and head into space.
[44:34] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[44:35] Speaker 11: Garry and we're to come in space.
[44:38] Speaker 2: How about that? Some people might quite like that.
[44:45] Speaker 6: You know.
[44:46] Speaker 11: The reason I brought that up is earlier in the
[44:48] Speaker 11: interview when I asked her, Paul, you know, what was
[44:51] Speaker 11: it like growing up? She was in her navy family,
[44:53] Speaker 11: so they traveled all over the world. And I said,
[44:55] Speaker 11: did you always want to get into politics? And she said, well, actually,
[44:57] Speaker 11: when I was a little girl, I wanted to be
[45:00] Speaker 11: an astronaut or a cosmonaut. She said, like Uriga Garrn
[45:02] Speaker 11: and go into space. So I joked, some people want
[45:05] Speaker 11: to send you into space. But she was just remarkable.
[45:08] Speaker 11: And also she said growing up and living all over
[45:10] Speaker 11: the world, like she spent a year in Singapore and
[45:12] Speaker 11: then they had to move and wherever the Navy would
[45:14] Speaker 11: send her father, that's where the family went. And I
[45:17] Speaker 11: asked her, was that not difficult? And because you have
[45:19] Speaker 11: your life and your friends and then you leave them
[45:22] Speaker 11: and you start again, and she said, you know what,
[45:24] Speaker 11: subconsciously it really stood by me in life because I
[45:27] Speaker 11: learned that when something is over and it's done, it's done.
[45:30] Speaker 2: You move on.
[45:31] Speaker 11: There was one last part I want to share with you,
[45:33] Speaker 11: Paul again looking back in it now it's just a
[45:37] Speaker 11: really beautiful I asked her about her mortality, and you know,
[45:41] Speaker 11: she's getting to a certain age. Did she ever think
[45:43] Speaker 11: of what was coming next and getting older and passing away?
[45:46] Speaker 2: Was she afraid of it?
[45:47] Speaker 11: And here's what she said to me in that interview.
[45:51] Speaker 12: Throughout my sixties, I never thought about mortality.
[45:53] Speaker 11: And you were going to live forever, going to live forever.
[45:57] Speaker 12: I never thought about it in my sixties. When you
[46:00] Speaker 12: get into your seventies, probably in the mid seventies, about
[46:03] Speaker 12: seventy five, things start happen. You develop twinges where you
[46:07] Speaker 12: never had them before. You start to forget names that
[46:11] Speaker 12: you've known all your lives. Little signs are there and
[46:15] Speaker 12: they are informations of mortality, and you realize they're not going.
[46:19] Speaker 12: Many different and oven and popular dogs at some stage
[46:22] Speaker 12: and you're going to go.
[46:24] Speaker 1: Does it frighten you?
[46:25] Speaker 2: Does it frighten it?
[46:26] Speaker 3: No?
[46:27] Speaker 12: No, I'd go to heaven be with my mother and
[46:30] Speaker 12: my father and my brother. I always hope I might
[46:33] Speaker 12: be with my past cats as well, but I didn't
[46:35] Speaker 12: think that's theologically sand.
[46:37] Speaker 11: Is we mentioned a goodness, gracious, what is that?
[46:40] Speaker 2: It's mister pugwash my cat goodness, gracious, are there others?
[46:44] Speaker 6: Yes?
[46:44] Speaker 12: Indeed, my cat corrothers.
[46:49] Speaker 2: That is beautiful. I love that answer for her as
[46:53] Speaker 2: a person of faith is that she yeah, well, obviously
[47:00] Speaker 2: the way we die matters, but what happens after for her,
[47:03] Speaker 2: the idea that she's back with her family, well, hopefully
[47:07] Speaker 2: that is what is happening with her right now in
[47:09] Speaker 2: terms of her faith. Thank you so much, Colin. I
[47:11] Speaker 2: really do appreciate it. Really nice story made about a
[47:13] Speaker 2: lovely lady. Thank you to appreciate it.
[47:16] Speaker 11: Happy birthday as well.
[47:17] Speaker 2: Ah, thank you, thank you a lovely week. So you said,
[47:20] Speaker 2: you put it out on social media. Everyone's very kind
[47:22] Speaker 2: and it's very nice. It was like it was my
[47:23] Speaker 2: version of thirst strapping, and I've got lots of digital
[47:26] Speaker 2: hugs as a result. Hey, I also just quickly want
[47:28] Speaker 2: to say something here that I love Colum, and I
[47:31] Speaker 2: love it so often when we talk to me, there
[47:32] Speaker 2: is an element of faith that are part of the stories.
[47:34] Speaker 2: Now you know that I'm not a person of faith,
[47:36] Speaker 2: but I have deep respect for faith, a deep respect
[47:38] Speaker 2: for people like Colum, like Anne who believe in something
[47:42] Speaker 2: bigger themselves and something other than themselves. So every now
[47:45] Speaker 2: and then you get some sort of smarty email. Why
[47:47] Speaker 2: do you have these conversations Because I think these people
[47:49] Speaker 2: are really nice and I think it's a nice way
[47:51] Speaker 2: to end the week. So I'm glad that many more
[47:54] Speaker 2: people like the way that we have the conversation and
[47:57] Speaker 2: Colin will be around for as long as I got
[47:59] Speaker 2: access to it camera. I can promise you that, or
[48:01] Speaker 2: I could break back with more

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