# Paul Murray Live | 28 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 28 Oct 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/f8b436de-e801-4bd8-8804-b38400bfd909/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Chris Bowen warns in secret briefing that power bills will rise and 2030 targets need urgent action, Tim Ayres blames Coalition for high energy costs despite Labor’s term. Plus, BCA warns not to leave environmental laws to Labor and the Greens. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Can make an EMIGREVI you happened to be Come on him.
[0:08] Speaker 2: We've got to big show ahead for you this Tuesday
[0:10] Speaker 2: night here on Sky News, including more problems with this
[0:13] Speaker 2: Vieureau of Meteorology and its website. The Queensine Government have
[0:19] Speaker 2: gone hard. We will do so again as well. I
[0:20] Speaker 2: want to introduce you a new face that will be
[0:22] Speaker 2: around Australian politics for.
[0:23] Speaker 1: The next six years.
[0:25] Speaker 2: It is going to be the brand new One Nation
[0:28] Speaker 2: Senator from New South Wales.
[0:29] Speaker 1: We'll have a chat to Sean a.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Little later, and our great mate Nigel Faraci joins us
[0:33] Speaker 2: from the United Kingdom. Where As always the man on
[0:37] Speaker 2: the path, the number ten is looking better than ever before.
[0:40] Speaker 2: As we speak, the Senate is doing the best it
[0:45] Speaker 2: can to waste time and spin the wheels.
[0:48] Speaker 1: Well. As you remember a couple of.
[0:49] Speaker 2: Weeks ago, this is what the August Senator from Victoria
[0:53] Speaker 2: Green now independent Lydia Thorpe, had said about the Parliament. Now,
[0:58] Speaker 2: of course she was speaking about of course, wasn't she.
[1:03] Speaker 3: Fire has deep spiritual significance for first peoples.
[1:09] Speaker 4: It clears, it.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Renews, it makes way for something new. That is what
[1:15] Speaker 3: I was speaking about, not arson, but challenging colonial systems
[1:21] Speaker 3: that continue to harm people. For two hundred and fifty years, first,
[1:26] Speaker 3: peoples have been told to be quiet, to respect institutions
[1:31] Speaker 3: that were never built for us.
[1:34] Speaker 4: I will not be quiet.
[1:36] Speaker 3: I will tell the truth, and the truth is that
[1:39] Speaker 3: this Parliament is in desperate need of renewal. Parliamentarians sit
[1:45] Speaker 3: idly by while our people are dying, passing laws that
[1:50] Speaker 3: harm us. They sit idly by while people in Palestine
[1:56] Speaker 3: face genocide. This Parliament has the power to change, but
[2:02] Speaker 3: those in this place choose not to. They maintain a
[2:06] Speaker 3: harmful institution. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground
[2:11] Speaker 3: up if anything is ever going to change.
[2:15] Speaker 4: That's what my words were about.
[2:17] Speaker 3: And yet here we are treating a metaphor like a
[2:21] Speaker 3: national emergency.
[2:22] Speaker 4: What a joke. The problem isn't my words.
[2:27] Speaker 3: It's the colonial systems that still refuse to change. And
[2:31] Speaker 3: all these politicians with their hot takes, their fake outrage
[2:36] Speaker 3: is never really about me. It's about the major parties
[2:41] Speaker 3: playing the game of who can be tougher on the.
[2:43] Speaker 4: Naughty little black girl.
[2:45] Speaker 3: The liberals jump in trying to wedge labor it's all
[2:50] Speaker 3: a competition to look tough in the eyes of the
[2:52] Speaker 3: racists out there who want to see black women drag
[2:56] Speaker 3: down and humiliate it. It's childish, He's honest. It's about
[3:01] Speaker 3: counting racist votes. I won't participate. I will always stand
[3:07] Speaker 3: strong against these useless major parties who continually fail on
[3:11] Speaker 3: the real issues. I won't apologize and I won't be
[3:14] Speaker 3: dragged out. Then there's a right wing media. They love
[3:19] Speaker 3: to lecture me about seeking headlines.
[3:21] Speaker 4: But they're the ones riding the headlines. They pedal slop.
[3:26] Speaker 3: To drive outrage clicks and sell papers, these hollowed out,
[3:31] Speaker 3: irrelevant news outlet.
[3:36] Speaker 2: Now, as you know, she made the comments that burn
[3:39] Speaker 2: down the Parliament now in defense of herself, and I
[3:43] Speaker 2: don't know why we'll get this going for two days. Previously,
[3:46] Speaker 2: the Parliament had decided because Labor and the Green's got together,
[3:49] Speaker 2: not to censure her for those comments. So tonight is
[3:51] Speaker 2: her opportunity to respond to the conversation that has.
[3:54] Speaker 1: Happened around her.
[3:55] Speaker 2: Well, of course, Lydia Thorpe is the one who was
[3:58] Speaker 2: on her hands and knees at the front of old
[4:00] Speaker 2: polamer House. Lydia Thorpe was the one who was saying
[4:04] Speaker 2: unpleasant things to people out the front of strip clubs.
[4:07] Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe is the one who has said many a
[4:10] Speaker 2: thing into a microphone that presumably we're allowed to report
[4:14] Speaker 2: as well. Right now, there is a part of me
[4:16] Speaker 2: that it not admires but respects that she is what
[4:20] Speaker 2: she believes. But what she believes is not the majority
[4:24] Speaker 2: opinion even of the left, let alone the center, lit
[4:28] Speaker 2: alone the rest of the country. Thankfully, the best thing
[4:32] Speaker 2: about an election which has just passed is that we
[4:35] Speaker 2: are closer to the end of her time in the Senate.
[4:38] Speaker 2: Because she claims she's not going to seek reelection. I
[4:40] Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't end up being the case,
[4:42] Speaker 2: and she'll try to go around again and watch all
[4:45] Speaker 2: of the media friends that will come out of the
[4:46] Speaker 2: woodwork to defend her. The idea that she was speaking
[4:51] Speaker 2: as burning was a metaphor and some sort of secret
[4:54] Speaker 2: extra message is garbage. It is reverse trolling, and perhaps
[5:00] Speaker 2: one of the best trolls there has ever been in
[5:02] Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament. One who hates the system but loves
[5:06] Speaker 2: the paycheck every fifteenth of the month. The one who
[5:10] Speaker 2: hates the system but when it's time to say what
[5:13] Speaker 2: you need to say to qualify for a job in
[5:16] Speaker 2: the system of which you hate, then of course you're
[5:18] Speaker 2: willing to bend your words and bend the knee. Now, obviously,
[5:22] Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe and I will never agree on very much.
[5:26] Speaker 2: Her right to exist in the Federal Parliament again up
[5:28] Speaker 2: to the voters. Originally it was the Greens voters with
[5:31] Speaker 2: the help of the Labor Party that got her there.
[5:33] Speaker 2: She now stands on her own two feet, and even I,
[5:37] Speaker 2: who was critical of what she said, knew she was
[5:39] Speaker 2: not speaking about directly threatening the parliament, but the idea
[5:44] Speaker 2: that she is even given a benefit of the doubt,
[5:46] Speaker 2: given the opportunity for people to look the other way,
[5:49] Speaker 2: and given the opportunity to turn it somehow into yet
[5:52] Speaker 2: again poor little Lydia. Well, imagine if any other member
[5:57] Speaker 2: of Parliament, let alone one from a party that has
[6:01] Speaker 2: not as well loved or given a free pass by
[6:03] Speaker 2: many of those in Campra. You can imagine what the
[6:05] Speaker 2: reaction would be. There would be no excuses, no explanations,
[6:10] Speaker 2: just go straight to the problem place. I look forward
[6:15] Speaker 2: to the reaction in the next twenty four hours to
[6:17] Speaker 2: the reaction, and then of course there'll be a reaction
[6:18] Speaker 2: to the reaction to the reaction.
[6:20] Speaker 1: But till then done.
[6:26] Speaker 2: Now, as you know, we broke the news last night
[6:28] Speaker 2: that the Australian newspaper had done some digging, got some
[6:32] Speaker 2: information and that power bills were set to rise and
[6:35] Speaker 2: twenty thirty targets were going to need an awful lot
[6:38] Speaker 2: of money behind them. All of this was in a
[6:40] Speaker 2: report which was handed to the Climate Change Minister. But
[6:46] Speaker 2: my issue, while I share the rage of everyone about
[6:50] Speaker 2: the cost of this transition, and it has been my
[6:53] Speaker 2: sole focus for the best part of fifteen years, which
[6:56] Speaker 2: is not to have the debate about to do things
[6:58] Speaker 2: exist or not exist?
[7:00] Speaker 1: Much can Australia do to actually change the weather?
[7:02] Speaker 2: Remember, reality is, even if we did everything that the
[7:05] Speaker 2: Greens want, it is only one percent. Thirty three percent
[7:09] Speaker 2: is China, thirteen percents of the United States. Once you
[7:12] Speaker 2: put together the third World, Russia, India, forty five minutes
[7:16] Speaker 2: of the climate clock are the problem. But there is
[7:19] Speaker 2: a very important part of this story that remains really
[7:25] Speaker 2: one of the inside stories of how this government is
[7:27] Speaker 2: able to pull the wool over people's eyes the way
[7:30] Speaker 2: it is able to operate in darkness. Now, what do
[7:34] Speaker 2: they say there are two things that you don't want
[7:36] Speaker 2: to see made. One is a piece of legislation, the
[7:38] Speaker 2: other a sausage. Well, the reality is that our system
[7:43] Speaker 2: should be one where we can see what a government
[7:45] Speaker 2: is considering. We can hear what advice they are getting,
[7:48] Speaker 2: we can engage with the people who they are negotiating with.
[7:52] Speaker 2: And then and only then would a parliament be informed
[7:55] Speaker 2: as to whether support or to not support something. But
[7:58] Speaker 2: if we can roll that overlay again of the report
[8:01] Speaker 2: with all of its reactions, this is the real story
[8:05] Speaker 2: that I want.
[8:05] Speaker 1: To get to.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Because yes, the power price stuff is important, But have
[8:09] Speaker 2: a look at this document that had to be argued
[8:13] Speaker 2: its way into you being able to see it, line
[8:15] Speaker 2: after line after line just blacked out as if it
[8:18] Speaker 2: were some sort of national security, as if on page
[8:21] Speaker 2: forty two we really will learn where Harold Holt is.
[8:25] Speaker 2: This is a document about climate change, this is a
[8:29] Speaker 2: document about power prices. Yet this is how this government works,
[8:35] Speaker 2: that they will do everything they can to fight for
[8:38] Speaker 2: you to be able to see even a crack in
[8:41] Speaker 2: the door to have a look at what is really
[8:44] Speaker 2: going on. And they bitch and they moan, and they fight,
[8:48] Speaker 2: and they slow play the ball.
[8:50] Speaker 1: And then when.
[8:50] Speaker 2: Eventually, eventually, eventually, you get a document after they've made
[8:55] Speaker 2: the decision, after the law has passed, after the Vandwagon
[8:59] Speaker 2: move on to another story. Only then do you get
[9:03] Speaker 2: the document with all of those lines in it, specifically
[9:06] Speaker 2: about this one. Here, vast swathes of the document were
[9:09] Speaker 2: blacked out, including the entire twenty four consecutive pages of
[9:14] Speaker 2: a section under the vague title of other Department policy areas.
[9:18] Speaker 1: Why couldn't we see that?
[9:20] Speaker 2: Under?
[9:20] Speaker 1: What excuse was that held back from the public?
[9:24] Speaker 2: Pages under a section headed delivering your Agenda with the
[9:27] Speaker 2: subheadings of locking in and Accelerating emissions reductions and Navigating
[9:31] Speaker 2: Global Climate Action and delivering Cop thirty one were also
[9:36] Speaker 2: fully redacted. I repeat, we are not talking here about
[9:40] Speaker 2: national secrets. We are talking about their plans about how
[9:45] Speaker 2: to deal with one percent of the world's climate crisis. Understandably,
[9:50] Speaker 2: the opposition is angry and rightly so about this today.
[9:53] Speaker 2: This should have been their total focus. Don't get distracted
[9:55] Speaker 2: with anything else, but this is what they talked about today.
[9:59] Speaker 3: Chris put on a someone dance today, as he does
[10:02] Speaker 3: trying to cover up what people know across this country.
[10:06] Speaker 5: Chris Balen is actually withholding information. He's taking his advice
[10:10] Speaker 5: from you. N climates are Simon Steel, who says that
[10:13] Speaker 5: eating vegetables and fruit will be a once in a
[10:16] Speaker 5: year treat.
[10:17] Speaker 6: Why did this minister do everything he could to hide
[10:20] Speaker 6: this document from the Australian public instead of doing everything
[10:25] Speaker 6: he could to reduce power prices by two hundred and
[10:28] Speaker 6: seventy five dollars.
[10:30] Speaker 2: The way this government treats with contempt anyone who is
[10:34] Speaker 2: not the government is a major insight into how things
[10:40] Speaker 2: work in Australia.
[10:42] Speaker 1: These are bad and dark.
[10:44] Speaker 2: Days, very effective in terms of media management because what
[10:47] Speaker 2: they do is by keeping information off the table, no
[10:50] Speaker 2: one can dare report the downside of what they are
[10:52] Speaker 2: planning to do. The first time you hear about it
[10:54] Speaker 2: is when the government announces what it's already decided upon.
[10:58] Speaker 2: By not seeing the information that is to the ministers,
[11:00] Speaker 2: you don't know if they've chosen the best, second best,
[11:03] Speaker 2: or the fourth worst option. And this is not a
[11:07] Speaker 2: one off. This document that you saw today as starkly
[11:10] Speaker 2: shown for all of those black lines, all of those
[11:14] Speaker 2: efforts to keep from you the details of what this
[11:18] Speaker 2: government has planned to do or is planning to do
[11:22] Speaker 2: into the future. There are plenty of other examples, including
[11:28] Speaker 2: remember when they wanted to introduce a bill to censor
[11:32] Speaker 2: the Internet. This same government wanted the Misinformation Bill, where
[11:37] Speaker 2: government departments would decide what truth was based off what
[11:41] Speaker 2: the government decided to be truth at the time. Every
[11:46] Speaker 2: single major piece of legislation, when it is negotiated, is
[11:49] Speaker 2: negotiated behind closed doors with lobby groups who have to
[11:54] Speaker 2: sign non disclosure agreements like the people who were talking
[11:58] Speaker 2: abouta or a whole bunch of other areas of government policy.
[12:03] Speaker 2: Every piece of legislation being discussed and debated behind the
[12:07] Speaker 2: scenes comes with a piece of paper. If you want
[12:10] Speaker 2: to be in the room to give us your point
[12:13] Speaker 2: of view, sign this piece of paper so you can't
[12:15] Speaker 2: tell anyone outside the room what we're considering. And then
[12:20] Speaker 2: the most recent and something that I've talked about many
[12:22] Speaker 2: times before, and it is the single biggest attack on
[12:25] Speaker 2: our democracy as we speak, which is the same person
[12:28] Speaker 2: Michelle Roland, who wanted to censor the Internet, is now
[12:31] Speaker 2: in a more powerful position as the Attorney General, wanting
[12:34] Speaker 2: to increase the powers that the Labor Party and this
[12:37] Speaker 2: government have to deny you information for the third time.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Let's roll that overlay again of that report, because what
[12:43] Speaker 2: you are seeing, in part, with all of those black
[12:47] Speaker 2: lines all through it, are the excuses that a minister
[12:51] Speaker 2: is allowed to use because this piece of paper may
[12:54] Speaker 2: well have gone somewhere near the federal cabinet. Under the
[12:57] Speaker 2: new laws, we would get even less access to even
[13:00] Speaker 2: fewer pages of these documents. Again, this is a spectacular
[13:06] Speaker 2: media strategy, and a spectacular media strategy leads to a
[13:10] Speaker 2: spectacular political outcome. But this is not what an open
[13:16] Speaker 2: democracy looks like. This is not how the system is
[13:20] Speaker 2: supposed to work, and unsurprisingly, this is not how the
[13:25] Speaker 2: system was supposed to work when this bloke wasn't the
[13:28] Speaker 2: Prime Minister and was applying for the job the first
[13:31] Speaker 2: time around.
[13:33] Speaker 7: Truth is that where an open transparent party for there
[13:37] Speaker 7: needs to be complete transparency. What we need is a
[13:40] Speaker 7: prime minister who's prepared to be transparent, a more honest
[13:43] Speaker 7: and transparent a government going forward who will make it transparent,
[13:48] Speaker 7: but being transparent.
[13:50] Speaker 1: So over and over and over again, that's the promise.
[13:54] Speaker 2: Well, today there was a report which was released by
[13:56] Speaker 2: the Center for Public Integrity and we're going to take
[14:00] Speaker 2: time with this tonight because you need to know that
[14:02] Speaker 2: it is not just me ranting away and screaming into
[14:05] Speaker 2: the void. Even lefty organizations like this very one, The
[14:10] Speaker 2: Center for Public Integrity released its report today and it
[14:14] Speaker 2: has slammed the secrecy of this government. It has attacked
[14:20] Speaker 2: everything that I have just said and backs in every
[14:23] Speaker 2: perspective I have had on this issue as one that
[14:26] Speaker 2: is not okay.
[14:28] Speaker 1: A few examples.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Number one, the Freer of Information Amendment Bill twenty twenty
[14:32] Speaker 2: five represents a serious and alarming step backwards, expanding exemptions,
[14:37] Speaker 2: reintroducing application fees, and banning anonymous requests. These changes are
[14:43] Speaker 2: almost universally opposed and would make it harder for journalist's,
[14:46] Speaker 2: whistleblowers and the public to hold government to account. Another page,
[14:53] Speaker 2: another finding. The Albanezi government has made little progress on
[14:57] Speaker 2: one of Australia's most pressing integrity problems in the culture
[15:00] Speaker 2: of jobs for mates in public appointments. Meanwhile, appointments continue
[15:05] Speaker 2: to be made without sufficient guardrails to guarantee transparency and independence,
[15:11] Speaker 2: including that of the new Office of National Intelligence that
[15:15] Speaker 2: person a former advisor to the Prime minister. There's also
[15:19] Speaker 2: the bloke who ended up in charge of the Department
[15:21] Speaker 2: of Climate Change. He used to work in the Queensland
[15:23] Speaker 2: government as a sort of right hand man, then external
[15:27] Speaker 2: lobbyists with great access to the Queensland government. He was
[15:32] Speaker 2: referred to as Option B in the recruitment process that
[15:36] Speaker 2: unsurprisingly concluded that the hand peaked labor favorite was the
[15:39] Speaker 2: best person for the job. Ironically, what role did he
[15:42] Speaker 2: play as the head of that department in either the
[15:45] Speaker 2: creation of that redacted document or the decision to try
[15:48] Speaker 2: to redact to that document. This matters because this is
[15:52] Speaker 2: our system. This is why elections have consequences. There's even
[15:56] Speaker 2: more here from this Center for Public Integrity. Jubanezy government
[16:00] Speaker 2: has failed to curb the undue influence of big business,
[16:03] Speaker 2: leaving glaring loopholes in Australia's lobbying regime untouched. Rather than
[16:09] Speaker 2: improving transparency, the government has blocked scrutiny, including refusing FOI
[16:14] Speaker 2: requests for ministeri or diary extracts related to the Federal
[16:18] Speaker 2: Labor Business Forum, arguing such documents are not official documents
[16:22] Speaker 2: of a minister, and one last one, in a move
[16:26] Speaker 2: that weakens Parliament's capacity for scrutiny. The government cuts staffing
[16:29] Speaker 2: numbers to the opposition following the twenty twenty five election
[16:33] Speaker 2: and two independent MPs after the twenty and twenty two election. Now,
[16:40] Speaker 2: despite the fact that this independent organization has concluded exactly
[16:44] Speaker 2: what I have concluded, has concluded exactly what your lying eyes,
[16:49] Speaker 2: according to the left, can see about how this government works.
[16:54] Speaker 2: How did the favorable media report on what is a
[16:57] Speaker 2: damning assessment of this government by of course bringing up
[17:01] Speaker 2: the previous one, because somehow all of those things that
[17:05] Speaker 2: I've just read, all of those things that I've just
[17:06] Speaker 2: shown you, all of those things that you have seen
[17:09] Speaker 2: that this government does well, apparently it's as bad as
[17:13] Speaker 2: the Morrison government. So therefore somehow let them off. One
[17:18] Speaker 2: of the few people to talk about this publicly today
[17:20] Speaker 2: was the independent and kind of TLMP Helen Haynes. Suppressing
[17:24] Speaker 2: transparency only increases distrust in our citizenry. That's the last
[17:28] Speaker 2: thing that we want when democracy in the free world
[17:31] Speaker 2: is under attack. So can I give a free piece
[17:35] Speaker 2: of advice to anyone who may or may not be
[17:37] Speaker 2: listening inside the opposition? You're not going to get on
[17:40] Speaker 2: the six PM news every night by talking about this stuff.
[17:44] Speaker 2: But why not walk the walk now to try to
[17:47] Speaker 2: get together with the independence, with the Upper House and
[17:52] Speaker 2: try to force changes in legislation and force the government
[17:56] Speaker 2: through embarrassment to have to release the rain come out
[18:02] Speaker 2: tomorrow and say I don't care what happened when somebody
[18:05] Speaker 2: else was prime minister. If I'm prime minister, this system changes.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Here's the piece of paper, here's the legislation that means
[18:13] Speaker 2: we're going to change it now. Because just like the
[18:17] Speaker 2: rot in Victoria where their system has become so opaque
[18:22] Speaker 2: that it doesn't matter if it's the corruption Commission, or
[18:25] Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it's the ombudsman screaming in headlines
[18:29] Speaker 2: in newspapers that the system is screwed. Yet because the
[18:38] Speaker 2: political operation of the then Premiere or now Prime Minister
[18:42] Speaker 2: is so ruthless that they are willing to continue this
[18:47] Speaker 2: behavior because they assume no one is paying attention. Well,
[18:50] Speaker 2: it is up to those who have the opportunity to
[18:53] Speaker 2: draw attention to draw attention to this. It is up
[18:57] Speaker 2: to those who are paid to be in and around
[19:00] Speaker 2: Parliament House writing about the news on our behalf to
[19:03] Speaker 2: show a passing interest in this particular story. I don't
[19:09] Speaker 2: care what was the previous standard. I don't care what
[19:12] Speaker 2: the standard is of this government. The NDAs for people
[19:15] Speaker 2: to be able to get anywhere you're a minister, have
[19:17] Speaker 2: to stop. The mass redaction of documents must stop. The
[19:25] Speaker 2: diaries of ministers, backbenches and the Prime Minister must become
[19:30] Speaker 2: public and must be publicly available within.
[19:33] Speaker 1: A month unless it is a legitimate.
[19:37] Speaker 2: National security issue, and even then there are processes in
[19:40] Speaker 2: which the Federal Parliament can discuss those things behind the scenes.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Open the damn door. You claim to be better than
[19:46] Speaker 2: everyone else, yet you are worse than ever when it
[19:49] Speaker 2: comes to how you treat the Australian public.
[19:53] Speaker 1: And while it may.
[19:53] Speaker 2: Only be a bare few of us that actually care,
[19:56] Speaker 2: believe me, it is the difference between a truly free
[19:59] Speaker 2: and a not quite free country. These are one of
[20:01] Speaker 2: those little examples about how they move the ball every
[20:04] Speaker 2: single day, and you wake up in a place like
[20:07] Speaker 2: Victoria where you wonder how we got here. The answer is,
[20:11] Speaker 2: this is how we could get there. Meantime, in relation
[20:16] Speaker 2: to more about the Powerbill situation and the excuses that
[20:21] Speaker 2: were being offered by the government today about this report
[20:23] Speaker 2: of which if you could look through the Venetian blinds
[20:26] Speaker 2: of redacted comments, you might be able to see something
[20:29] Speaker 2: there that again, power bills are going to rise, the
[20:32] Speaker 2: twenty thirty and the twenty thirty five targets are going
[20:35] Speaker 2: to be massive. Well, here is the minister, caught red handed,
[20:39] Speaker 2: pretending nothing to see.
[20:44] Speaker 6: Why did this minister do everything he could to hide
[20:47] Speaker 6: this document from the Australian public instead of doing everything
[20:51] Speaker 6: he could to reduce power prices by two hundred and
[20:54] Speaker 6: seventy five dollars.
[20:55] Speaker 8: The lowly Opposition quotes the incoming government ruth. If the
[21:00] Speaker 8: letter of the Opposition had read on, she might have
[21:03] Speaker 8: further quoted that brief decarbonizing electricity energy system is foundational
[21:09] Speaker 8: to achieving our whole of economy transformation, maintaining energy affordability
[21:13] Speaker 8: and reliability.
[21:15] Speaker 4: There's a whole lot more.
[21:16] Speaker 1: There's a whole and then even more in and around this.
[21:20] Speaker 2: Today the Industry Minister gives who he is blaming for
[21:24] Speaker 2: this government's fartire to deliver the two hundred and seventy
[21:26] Speaker 2: five reduction that they promised.
[21:28] Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, the last government.
[21:30] Speaker 2: This government has now been a full term and is
[21:33] Speaker 2: many months into the first year of its second term.
[21:36] Speaker 2: Yet despite the fact that they have been caught red
[21:39] Speaker 2: handed failing their promise on two seventy five from the
[21:43] Speaker 2: last term, producing documents which will increase power bills, and
[21:47] Speaker 2: a government that fails to promise they will come down
[21:49] Speaker 2: anytime soon. The balls to know that if you just
[21:52] Speaker 2: blame the other mob, the media will.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Ed it up like lunch in a jail.
[22:02] Speaker 9: If you take your hands off the wheel for years
[22:07] Speaker 9: and there's capital flight from the electricity sector, which is
[22:11] Speaker 9: what happened under the Abbot Turnbull Morrison period, then there
[22:16] Speaker 9: are consequences.
[22:19] Speaker 1: Oh the stones, the stones on these people. Anyway, we're
[22:22] Speaker 1: here to fire up and we will each it every night.
[22:24] Speaker 2: Now, let us talk about the situation regarding the Bureau
[22:26] Speaker 2: of Meteorology, the bomb as we know it here, who
[22:29] Speaker 2: are not quite acting like dub bomb at the moment.
[22:31] Speaker 1: Aha, sad What I did there, dad? Joke?
[22:33] Speaker 2: Well, they had an old website that existed for many years,
[22:37] Speaker 2: and you probably knew how to get your way through
[22:39] Speaker 2: this thing. Like in the back of your hand. If
[22:40] Speaker 2: you want to have a look at a rain radar,
[22:42] Speaker 2: you went bang bang. You know where to go if
[22:43] Speaker 2: you want to have a look at whether there's going
[22:45] Speaker 2: to be hail lightning. Bang bang, you know where to go?
[22:47] Speaker 2: What's happening for the next seven days? Bang bang, you
[22:49] Speaker 2: know where to go?
[22:50] Speaker 1: Well, as you know.
[22:50] Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, they introduced a brand new
[22:52] Speaker 2: website four million bucks, and good luck, they're going to
[22:56] Speaker 2: need an old Gregory's or maybe ways or Google Maps
[23:00] Speaker 2: to make your way through all of this, and that
[23:03] Speaker 2: has proved to be quite the problem. Now I've been
[23:05] Speaker 2: trying to work out exactly what attempts that Bureau of
[23:08] Speaker 2: Meteorology have made to actually inform people that this change
[23:12] Speaker 2: was happening. Unsurprisingly relatively difficult to find. We will continue
[23:16] Speaker 2: to go back through and see was there a day,
[23:18] Speaker 2: was there a date when assembled media will walk through
[23:22] Speaker 2: the new website, what information was made public prior to
[23:26] Speaker 2: the change, because the reality is that in places like Queensland,
[23:30] Speaker 2: the storm season is whenever, generally speaking, of course towards
[23:34] Speaker 2: the end of spring, the beginning of summer, and then
[23:36] Speaker 2: it can keep on going all the way through to
[23:39] Speaker 2: maybe March. Now, one of the problems about the storms
[23:42] Speaker 2: that happened this time, thankfully took no lives, is that
[23:46] Speaker 2: hale was a big part of it. Now if you
[23:49] Speaker 2: can pay attention here to the squiggly images that are
[23:52] Speaker 2: on your screen here. This is from Malcolm Roberts, the
[23:54] Speaker 2: first to point out the difference. On the right hand side,
[23:57] Speaker 2: you can see the new map with basically orange everywhere
[24:00] Speaker 2: in the old map it had darker red and then
[24:02] Speaker 2: eventually black. To anyone who has been glancing at a
[24:06] Speaker 2: Bureau of Meteorology radar for years, you know, the darker
[24:09] Speaker 2: the color, the more intense the rain, and the super
[24:12] Speaker 2: dark colors, it's either going to be massive storm, almost
[24:15] Speaker 2: likely going to be hal that's going to end up
[24:17] Speaker 2: in there. So as you can see under the new one,
[24:20] Speaker 2: which doesn't use the same colors as the old one,
[24:22] Speaker 2: you go, oh, it's going to be bad, but not
[24:24] Speaker 2: as bad as I know it to be, because I
[24:26] Speaker 2: know my colors like the back of my hand. About
[24:28] Speaker 2: the intensity of the rain. Well, today the Queensland Government
[24:33] Speaker 2: did exactly what they should have done, which was to
[24:35] Speaker 2: stand up on the behalf of people who were fooled
[24:38] Speaker 2: by this new website and they took it to Parliament today,
[24:41] Speaker 2: both the Premier and the Treasurer absolutely hitting it out
[24:44] Speaker 2: of the park about how Peace Week this transition to
[24:47] Speaker 2: the new website has been.
[24:51] Speaker 10: The changes to the federally run Bureau of Meteorology website.
[24:55] Speaker 1: Are not good enough.
[24:57] Speaker 10: The changes to the website don't make sense. The website
[25:02] Speaker 10: is flawed. Easy access to individual radars have been removed,
[25:07] Speaker 10: the color scheme we've become accustomed to has changed, and
[25:11] Speaker 10: platitudes from Canberra won't cut it with Queenslander.
[25:15] Speaker 11: This website contains critical flaws. Kubulcher Kibulture, Mister Speaker. A
[25:22] Speaker 11: growing area of the southeast Corner has disappeared as a
[25:26] Speaker 11: locator on the bomb map, while the strength and color
[25:29] Speaker 11: associated color coating of the storms that Queenslanders relied on
[25:34] Speaker 11: through thick and thin has significantly changed for.
[25:37] Speaker 1: The worse.
[25:39] Speaker 2: Bloody eightth We're not just talking about the storm chasers,
[25:41] Speaker 2: although a big shout out to all of them around
[25:44] Speaker 2: Southeast Queensland. We're talking about normal people being able to
[25:47] Speaker 2: read the map as it has always been. Why did
[25:49] Speaker 2: it need to change? Well, there's all of these back
[25:51] Speaker 2: end reasons. Well, okay, why do you change the color?
[25:53] Speaker 2: Silence as always, move on to something else. Now, speaking
[25:59] Speaker 2: of moving on to something else, Kamala Harris won't. As
[26:01] Speaker 2: you know, Kamala Harris Giglia's person to ever run for
[26:04] Speaker 2: the presidency one hundred and eight days, more than a
[26:07] Speaker 2: billion dollars, yet still lost the popular vote, lost all
[26:12] Speaker 2: of the different states, and of course ended up with
[26:15] Speaker 2: a campaign in debt. Or she thinks that history is
[26:18] Speaker 2: still calling her hundreds of thousands of people who have
[26:20] Speaker 2: bought her crappy new book. So this is what she
[26:22] Speaker 2: thinks that message sends to her about running for president
[26:26] Speaker 2: in under four years time.
[26:29] Speaker 4: But you say in your book, I'm not done.
[26:32] Speaker 12: That is correct. I am not done. I have lived
[26:36] Speaker 12: my entire career a life of service, and it's in
[26:40] Speaker 12: my bones.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Well, service could also be in a souper kitchen, doesn't
[26:44] Speaker 2: always have to be in the presidency.
[26:46] Speaker 1: But if she does run, at.
[26:47] Speaker 2: Least we'd be able to see this before she has
[26:49] Speaker 2: to drop out of the Democratic race in four years time.
[26:53] Speaker 12: The children of the community are the children of the community.
[26:56] Speaker 4: You need to get to go.
[26:58] Speaker 12: I need to be able to get where you need
[26:59] Speaker 12: to go to do the work and get home to
[27:02] Speaker 12: see the moment in time in which we exist.
[27:06] Speaker 13: And are present.
[27:07] Speaker 12: That's why we're here today because we have the ability
[27:10] Speaker 12: to see what can be unburdened by what has been around.
[27:19] Speaker 12: You think you just fell out of a coconut tree.
[27:23] Speaker 12: You exist in the context of all in which you
[27:28] Speaker 12: live and what came before you.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Definitely not peace, Definitely not piece that was heard in
[27:34] Speaker 2: natural best. Oh yeah, and by the way, you know
[27:37] Speaker 2: how lefties like to pretend I'd never said what you
[27:40] Speaker 2: heard me say, Jedo mind trick men in black you
[27:43] Speaker 2: memory reset? Well, the Illinois governor was on MSNBC and
[27:48] Speaker 2: dropped one heck of a clanger that apparently Democrats have
[27:52] Speaker 2: never tried to compare Trump to Hitler.
[27:56] Speaker 14: I haven't suggested that Donald Trump is Hitler.
[28:00] Speaker 6: Would I don't think any Democrat has.
[28:02] Speaker 12: I actually, and I think it's a smear that they
[28:07] Speaker 12: project back on to critics.
[28:11] Speaker 1: Apart from all of these times, Nicole.
[28:16] Speaker 14: What I know is in the early days of the
[28:18] Speaker 14: Nazi regime, they started slowly but surely taking away people's rights.
[28:23] Speaker 14: And what we're seeing now is the very same thing.
[28:25] Speaker 1: Are unified Reich. That's Hittler's language, that's not America's.
[28:29] Speaker 12: It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
[28:33] Speaker 12: would invoke Adolf Hitler.
[28:35] Speaker 8: Talks about the blood of America is being poisoned.
[28:39] Speaker 1: That going the same exact language used the Nazi Germany.
[28:44] Speaker 4: And see what happened in Germany back in the nineteen thirties.
[28:48] Speaker 14: I never thought that could happen in this country.
[28:50] Speaker 7: How do you elect a person president then all of
[28:54] Speaker 7: a sudden give him the authority to be dictator?
[28:58] Speaker 12: Hitler use immigration and racism as their base, and that
[29:02] Speaker 12: is what Trump has done.
[29:03] Speaker 1: He used to hear the resk unbelievable.
[29:06] Speaker 2: All right, big show ahead tonight, including the new one
[29:08] Speaker 2: Nation Senator, part of that new pack of people that
[29:11] Speaker 2: are coming into the Parliament, and our dear friend Nigel
[29:14] Speaker 2: Farage all coming up in a second.
[29:15] Speaker 1: Here, I'm Paul Murray Law.
[29:20] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for watching. Now I want to
[29:22] Speaker 2: draw your attention to something. The Prime Minister is about
[29:24] Speaker 2: to meet with the Prime Minister of Malaysia. In fact,
[29:28] Speaker 2: you can see it there. If you'd like to see
[29:29] Speaker 2: it in full and live, you can see it on
[29:32] Speaker 2: Sky News x stre If there any highlights in the
[29:34] Speaker 2: next half hour, we will turn them around for you.
[29:36] Speaker 1: See.
[29:36] Speaker 2: We've even put a live bug on top of it,
[29:38] Speaker 2: making it even more important and vital for you to
[29:39] Speaker 2: see Sky News Extra if he wishes. The camera zooms
[29:42] Speaker 2: in on the meeting of those two leaders in the meantime,
[29:45] Speaker 2: two leaders that join us right now inside the man
[29:48] Speaker 2: Cave and undother then our role mate Linda Scott, and
[29:52] Speaker 2: none other than a brand new senator, and that Senator
[29:54] Speaker 2: is Sean Bell. Sewan is with Paul and Hanson's One
[29:57] Speaker 2: Nation soon to be called One Nation. Congratulations on your elem.
[30:00] Speaker 1: Made six years. It's not how you started out the year,
[30:03] Speaker 1: but what a way to end it.
[30:06] Speaker 15: Thank you, Paul. It's a pleasure to be on the show.
[30:08] Speaker 15: I just want to say, I'm not sure what's made
[30:10] Speaker 15: of my parents prouder me being sworn in or getting
[30:13] Speaker 15: to appear on Paulmurray Live. I say thanks for having
[30:15] Speaker 15: me on.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Well, happy to help it all the rest of the
[30:17] Speaker 2: mums and dads, especially yours that are watching us tonight.
[30:20] Speaker 2: And by the way, speaking of political parents, I understand
[30:23] Speaker 2: because literally he texted me that. Obviously James Ashby, who'd
[30:26] Speaker 2: normally be here he's unable to be here, and the
[30:28] Speaker 2: Boss Pauline, they are both currently watching us via the
[30:31] Speaker 2: Sky News app in the back of a taxi somewhere
[30:33] Speaker 2: in Canberra, so they'll be particularly thrilled with everything you
[30:36] Speaker 2: have to say, Linda, okay, and.
[30:37] Speaker 13: Sean, congratulations, but my apologies to your parents in advance.
[30:40] Speaker 2: Ah, here we go, all right now, So Saint Vincent's
[30:44] Speaker 2: Hospital in Melbourne, what is this? Stories were around today
[30:47] Speaker 2: suggesting that there was some sort of discrimination. Why because
[30:50] Speaker 2: Indigenous people were given some level of priority of a
[30:53] Speaker 2: non Indigenous people when being treated in the hospital. Now
[30:58] Speaker 2: important to note the fine print because it is important
[31:00] Speaker 2: there right, which is the policy change is introduced at
[31:03] Speaker 2: Sin Vincent's Hospital in April last year required all Indigenous
[31:07] Speaker 2: patients to be assigned a minimum category three triarche So
[31:10] Speaker 2: we're not talking here about two people turn up both
[31:13] Speaker 2: with a heart attack. We're talking about the lower level stuff.
[31:15] Speaker 2: That would mean you have to wait presumably a lot
[31:17] Speaker 2: longer than thirty minutes. It means they must be seen
[31:20] Speaker 2: within thirty minutes and put them their head of semi
[31:22] Speaker 2: urgent Category four patients and non urgent category patients. But Linda,
[31:28] Speaker 2: is it okay that on the basis of race, skin
[31:32] Speaker 2: color or cultural heritage that you are being triarched in
[31:35] Speaker 2: a hospital in Australia.
[31:37] Speaker 13: Paul Murray. It's almost like the Saint Vincent's nuns took
[31:41] Speaker 13: a vow to help them marginalize it and the poor,
[31:44] Speaker 13: and then they're living it out through the healthcare system.
[31:47] Speaker 13: Now the facts are these right. Saint Vincent's undertook research
[31:51] Speaker 13: in their own emergency department in Melbourne to show, unfortunately
[31:55] Speaker 13: that Indigenous patients were actually waiting longer than non Indigenous patients,
[32:00] Speaker 13: and so they introduced a policy to try and actually
[32:03] Speaker 13: support people getting care in a timely way. And the
[32:07] Speaker 13: implementation of that policy meant that Indigenous people were traached
[32:11] Speaker 13: in a different way based on the evidence of existing inequality.
[32:15] Speaker 13: And then they evaluated it and they showed that as
[32:18] Speaker 13: a result of the policy, Indigenous patients were getting treated
[32:21] Speaker 13: in the same time frame as non Indigenous patients. And
[32:25] Speaker 13: also there were no other impacts on other people as
[32:28] Speaker 13: the flow of people went through. The imagen turn out
[32:31] Speaker 13: proved this is a positive thing. It is supporting healthcare outcomes,
[32:35] Speaker 13: it is reducing inequality, it is living the values of
[32:39] Speaker 13: the Saint Vincent's sisters.
[32:41] Speaker 4: Like good for them, I say.
[32:43] Speaker 2: Or may they not be mocked in an annual parade.
[32:45] Speaker 2: But anyway, Sean, your thoughts here on the way this
[32:48] Speaker 2: is playing out, because again I think among not just
[32:52] Speaker 2: mum and dad, but plenty of others are about to
[32:54] Speaker 2: support what I'm assuming you're on your way to say.
[32:59] Speaker 15: A pall. I think Australians expect when they go to
[33:02] Speaker 15: a hospital that they're going to receive treatment based on
[33:06] Speaker 15: how sick they are, not on the color of their skin.
[33:09] Speaker 15: And you know, no surprise is happening in Victoria where
[33:12] Speaker 15: they've passed legislation to create an Indigenous body. It's exactly
[33:16] Speaker 15: what we warned would happen if we were to support
[33:18] Speaker 15: the Voice, which is why I'm proud that one Nation
[33:20] Speaker 15: stood up first and strongly against the Voice. This is
[33:24] Speaker 15: the kind of division we see when governments get fixated
[33:27] Speaker 15: on the color of your skin, and it's one thing
[33:31] Speaker 15: that one nation will never support. So I if this
[33:35] Speaker 15: is the path we're going, and look, I'll give a
[33:36] Speaker 15: shout out to Ricky Lee Tyrel, one Nation member in
[33:38] Speaker 15: Victoria who's actually come out and said she'll scrap this
[33:41] Speaker 15: treaty legislation, because it's all of this is stemming from
[33:44] Speaker 15: the same rotten pool the Australians just expect when you
[33:48] Speaker 15: go to hospital it's based on need, not skin skin color.
[33:52] Speaker 2: Now, let's send your attention to the power bill stuff,
[33:56] Speaker 2: but also to a degree, the secrecy in and around
[33:58] Speaker 2: the power bill stuff over the past couple of days.
[34:01] Speaker 2: Now again we can go in two directions here, Linda,
[34:04] Speaker 2: where we can talk about the actual power bills, the
[34:06] Speaker 2: expense of them, all the rest of it. Or this
[34:07] Speaker 2: document here, this document which is among others from that
[34:12] Speaker 2: Center for Public Integrity, which has a go at the
[34:15] Speaker 2: government for how much it redacts right, and the reports
[34:18] Speaker 2: that we're talking about today are huge sways of advice
[34:23] Speaker 2: to government with black lines all the way through it. Now, Sean,
[34:26] Speaker 2: you'd remember behind the scenes how this process works. Now
[34:29] Speaker 2: you get to see it upfront. But this is a
[34:31] Speaker 2: fundamental problem. This is one of those ones that we're
[34:33] Speaker 2: not going to get on the six pm news. It
[34:36] Speaker 2: ain't going to be the front page. You're not going
[34:37] Speaker 2: to stop a barbecue. But people need to have trust
[34:40] Speaker 2: in the system. And if they have this slow, play
[34:43] Speaker 2: the ball approach to integrity, they're not going to have
[34:45] Speaker 2: trust in the system. What do you think about that?
[34:47] Speaker 2: And also the broader issues that have been exposed by
[34:51] Speaker 2: that report about twenty thirty in bills.
[34:55] Speaker 15: Paul, I can tell you I've read through that document
[34:57] Speaker 15: and the stuff they left unredacted is so terrifying. I
[35:00] Speaker 15: shudder to think what they've had to redact. Look, and
[35:04] Speaker 15: it's not normal this process. So the redactions they've got
[35:07] Speaker 15: there are extreme. Obviously, the Labor government is ashamed of
[35:10] Speaker 15: what is in this report. They know if they were
[35:13] Speaker 15: to show it to the people, they would be horrified
[35:16] Speaker 15: because they know that if people see the unredacted they
[35:19] Speaker 15: see that energy price is going to skyrocket because of
[35:22] Speaker 15: the alban Easy Labor government's net zero obsession. And so look,
[35:26] Speaker 15: we supported motion to have this unredacted, and I believe
[35:33] Speaker 15: they'll be coming on tomorrow. But look, this is it's
[35:36] Speaker 15: not unsurprising. I mean, the Labor government promised more transparency.
[35:39] Speaker 15: What we've seen is some of the least transparent actions
[35:43] Speaker 15: of any government we've seen.
[35:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Linda, this is a scenario where I
[35:47] Speaker 2: do love the Sydney Morning Herald.
[35:48] Speaker 1: They're as bad as the Morrison.
[35:50] Speaker 2: Well, if Morrison was bad on this stuff, then they
[35:52] Speaker 2: were bad, right. They promised to do better. Instead, in
[35:55] Speaker 2: many areas they've gone worse. This is not some far
[35:58] Speaker 2: right wing thinking. That's calling them out for the they
[36:00] Speaker 2: do things, the NBA process, all.
[36:02] Speaker 1: The rest of it. Here, I get it.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Great political management, great media management, but hardly transparent.
[36:07] Speaker 13: Look, government integrity is important to monitor, and so I
[36:11] Speaker 13: do congratulate the authors of this report for doing that.
[36:13] Speaker 13: I think that's really important. Our freedom of information, you know,
[36:17] Speaker 13: whistle blowing. These are all really important parts of our
[36:20] Speaker 13: parliamentary system that allow governments to be accountable. And I
[36:24] Speaker 13: will always stand up for that and I will never
[36:26] Speaker 13: apologize for it. But in this case, when it comes
[36:28] Speaker 13: to advice about energy, I also want to say this.
[36:31] Speaker 13: The Labor government has been so transparent. They literally published
[36:35] Speaker 13: the modeling that their government agency did to underpin the targets.
[36:40] Speaker 13: They have published so much about this, and what the
[36:45] Speaker 13: Senate is doing and arguing about, and what the Senator
[36:48] Speaker 13: is proposing in emotion is to basically have a fight about,
[36:51] Speaker 13: you know, one sentence in a piece of advice that
[36:55] Speaker 13: is hundreds of pages long, that is advice to government
[36:59] Speaker 13: from its own bureaucrats as they were coming into government.
[37:02] Speaker 13: It's now categorically out of date. There's been so much
[37:06] Speaker 13: more modeling done and published by the government overtakes this.
[37:11] Speaker 1: Right now, saying doesn't cant.
[37:12] Speaker 13: So we can fi every document under the sun. But
[37:16] Speaker 13: let's talk about the most recent data, which again very
[37:19] Speaker 13: clearly all published, shows that renewable energy is the cheapest
[37:24] Speaker 13: form of energy. This is the best thing we can
[37:27] Speaker 13: do to bring down power prices and also act on
[37:30] Speaker 13: climate change, two really important economic and social drivers. Right,
[37:37] Speaker 13: It's not like the price of other energy forms are
[37:39] Speaker 13: also not skyrocketing.
[37:41] Speaker 2: And but dis governments they just want to jump to
[37:46] Speaker 2: thirty years in the future. And again, I'd love to
[37:48] Speaker 2: be able to go over the transition period, but the transition.
[37:51] Speaker 1: Period is what it is.
[37:52] Speaker 2: I'd love to go over the transition period when.
[37:54] Speaker 1: I'm borrowing money for a home loan and when I
[37:56] Speaker 1: paid it off.
[37:57] Speaker 13: We've got coal fire powerstations that at their end of
[38:00] Speaker 13: their life and closing. So it's a choice, right, It's
[38:02] Speaker 13: not just like we're starting from nothing. We're going to
[38:05] Speaker 13: have to choose between building renewable energy infrastructure and batteries
[38:09] Speaker 13: or building other coal fire POWERstation.
[38:12] Speaker 2: I want to talk about counsel approval for things in
[38:14] Speaker 2: a second, because Victoria is changing the system surprise. But
[38:16] Speaker 2: Shu and I want to ask about Many of the
[38:18] Speaker 2: social media companies are in Canberra talking about the upcoming
[38:22] Speaker 2: under sixteen's law, and they're openly talking about one of
[38:25] Speaker 2: the ways that they are going to be able to
[38:26] Speaker 2: sort of give the middle finger is to force all
[38:28] Speaker 2: Australians on some level to have to use a form
[38:31] Speaker 2: of identity in order to say they are over the
[38:34] Speaker 2: age of sixteen. What are your thoughts on whether that
[38:37] Speaker 2: is going to be likely the case or they can
[38:40] Speaker 2: narrow this down that really the only people that need
[38:42] Speaker 2: to prove it are people say fourteen to eighteen, Paul, We.
[38:49] Speaker 15: Are about to see this legislation come into effect. Labor
[38:53] Speaker 15: Government likes to say that they've brought this in too
[38:55] Speaker 15: protect children, but we don't see them taking steps to
[38:59] Speaker 15: protect your and from things like online pornography. We just
[39:02] Speaker 15: don't buy it. We believe this is really about the
[39:04] Speaker 15: Labor Government looking to control people's lives, to control how
[39:08] Speaker 15: they use the internet. And then that's why we're prepared
[39:11] Speaker 15: and happy to say we'll be introducing legislation to repeal
[39:14] Speaker 15: this band. The Labor Government really should be not interfering
[39:18] Speaker 15: with this. There it's parents' responsibility to control what their
[39:21] Speaker 15: children do. And don't do on the internet. And that's
[39:23] Speaker 15: how it should be well done.
[39:24] Speaker 1: Mate.
[39:25] Speaker 2: I think Mum and Dad will be very proud, including
[39:26] Speaker 2: the political ones watching us in the cab right.
[39:28] Speaker 1: Now, Linda.
[39:29] Speaker 2: Very quickly, Victoria is changing the rules about who can
[39:33] Speaker 2: oppose and how often they can oppose development in their area.
[39:36] Speaker 2: All of this, of course, is in the name of
[39:38] Speaker 2: more housing, because why more people don't question it?
[39:40] Speaker 1: Do you think that they're going a little far here?
[39:42] Speaker 13: Look, councils are exercised about these issues in Victoria and
[39:45] Speaker 13: in New South Wales, where the state government's also proposing
[39:48] Speaker 13: to make some changes. I do think though, and I've
[39:51] Speaker 13: said this so many times, councils are on board with
[39:53] Speaker 13: delivering more housing and they want to be equal partners
[39:56] Speaker 13: in that process and they should be so. Look, I
[39:59] Speaker 13: just encourage state governments everywhere to work with your local
[40:01] Speaker 13: governments to try and find a way to deliver more housing,
[40:05] Speaker 13: more affordable housing. No, I'm not being polite. I mean
[40:08] Speaker 13: I stand squarely with the nation's five hundred and thirty
[40:11] Speaker 13: seven councils, so they should be equal partners in this discussion,
[40:15] Speaker 13: and I hope state governments can work with them. Can
[40:18] Speaker 13: I just call that one very obiture quick thing today
[40:21] Speaker 13: in the Act like breaking news. No one will cover this.
[40:24] Speaker 13: Two Liberal chambers of the Legislative Assembly split from their
[40:29] Speaker 13: own party over the massive and controversial issue of you
[40:33] Speaker 13: cannot make it up the parliamentary sitting calendar. And now
[40:37] Speaker 13: the Liberal leader in the Act is actually trying to
[40:40] Speaker 13: kick these people out of the Liberal Party. I mean,
[40:42] Speaker 13: you just cannot make it up. I was privileged enough
[40:45] Speaker 13: to spend a little bit of time today with Chief
[40:47] Speaker 13: Minister Andrew Barr, who's an absolute legend. There's a reason
[40:52] Speaker 13: Labor has been a government in the Act for so long.
[40:56] Speaker 13: So fantastic, but it also yes, and I love the
[40:59] Speaker 13: good people. These people cannot even agree on diary dates.
[41:03] Speaker 2: Goodness that I don't disagree it his shambolic, It is ludicrous.
[41:06] Speaker 2: Thank you very much to you, Linda, Thank you to
[41:08] Speaker 2: you Sean too. All right, quick break back with more,
[41:10] Speaker 2: please to say, Niger Farage is on the show. All
[41:13] Speaker 2: of the wires are back together. The great Man joins
[41:15] Speaker 2: us straight after the break.
[41:21] Speaker 1: Its time for the man who's never borring.
[41:27] Speaker 2: The Great Nigel Farage, dandy by for us in London.
[41:29] Speaker 2: We finally get to speak mate, sorry about last week,
[41:31] Speaker 2: love you to see you. How is the march to
[41:33] Speaker 2: number ten going as the leader of reform?
[41:35] Speaker 1: Do you feel that surge coming? What is going very well? Paul?
[41:42] Speaker 16: Yes, And I'm sorry about the technicals last week, but
[41:44] Speaker 16: I'd expected this with the ashes coming up. I think
[41:47] Speaker 16: that australianserty tricks.
[41:49] Speaker 1: I'm sure.
[41:52] Speaker 16: To us with you. British politics is. British politics is
[41:56] Speaker 16: in the biggest state of flux than it's ever been
[41:59] Speaker 16: at any point in time. The Labor government, who won
[42:03] Speaker 16: a landslide last year on this morning's polls are down
[42:06] Speaker 16: at seventeen percent, and we've now got the far left
[42:10] Speaker 16: Greens are on the rise. So yeah, there's big, big
[42:14] Speaker 16: change coming to the United Kingdom and hopefully we stay
[42:17] Speaker 16: on top.
[42:18] Speaker 2: Can I ask you about the concept of a tactical
[42:21] Speaker 2: voting right now? This is where essentially people who want
[42:25] Speaker 2: to somehow stop someone like yourself in a first part
[42:28] Speaker 2: of the post right.
[42:29] Speaker 1: So a bunch of say.
[42:30] Speaker 2: Conservatives who know they've got no chance go and vote
[42:32] Speaker 2: for a Lib Dem or go and vote for the
[42:34] Speaker 2: Labor Party, or as you say, now you've got people
[42:37] Speaker 2: like the Greens. Now this has been used successfully sometimes
[42:42] Speaker 2: and many times not. What's your sense about you know,
[42:46] Speaker 2: as we get closer over the next couple of years,
[42:48] Speaker 2: that this concept of here's how to stop Nigel becomes
[42:52] Speaker 2: the discussion around the democracy.
[42:58] Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, the Greens and
[43:00] Speaker 16: the Liberals and the Liberal Democrats and Labor. There'll be
[43:04] Speaker 16: those conversations going on in individual constituencies and it might
[43:10] Speaker 16: hurt us here and there, but overall, the thing about
[43:12] Speaker 16: all these people on the left is they argue with
[43:15] Speaker 16: each other constantly. They're always falling out, they're always having rows.
[43:19] Speaker 16: So to get them to be organized across six hundred constituencies,
[43:24] Speaker 16: the length and breadth of the UK, will it be
[43:27] Speaker 16: a factor, yes, Will it be a decisive factor? I
[43:31] Speaker 16: very much doubt it because the individual party leaders will
[43:35] Speaker 16: still want their own piece of the pies.
[43:37] Speaker 1: So yep, we've got to look for it.
[43:39] Speaker 16: But I really don't think they've got the ability to
[43:43] Speaker 16: organize this nationwide.
[43:45] Speaker 2: I cannot believe that the system in the UK has
[43:48] Speaker 2: become so broken that a migrant sex offender has been
[43:52] Speaker 2: arrested almost very quickly after being released from prison and
[43:57] Speaker 2: the victim a little girl.
[44:03] Speaker 16: Yes, he was released by accident. On the same day
[44:08] Speaker 16: we learned that another young man who'd come by boat
[44:11] Speaker 16: had stabbed to death a hotel worker in the hotel
[44:14] Speaker 16: he was staying in. He'd stabbed her twenty three times
[44:16] Speaker 16: with a screwdriver and killed her. And every single week
[44:20] Speaker 16: now we get these accounts of young men of fighting
[44:24] Speaker 16: age crossing the English Channel causing huge degrees of harm
[44:29] Speaker 16: in our community. And if you haven't looked, have a
[44:32] Speaker 16: look at Ireland. Have a look at what happened in
[44:34] Speaker 16: the Republic of Ireland last week with major scale riots,
[44:40] Speaker 16: and that was following the sexual assault on a ten
[44:42] Speaker 16: year old girl. And the problem is that a lot
[44:47] Speaker 16: of these men come from countries in which women are
[44:51] Speaker 16: not even second class citizens. And that's the clash of cultures,
[44:56] Speaker 16: that's the clash of values, and it's that I think
[45:00] Speaker 16: that is saying, particularly the women, you know, mums, grandmums,
[45:04] Speaker 16: women themselves, in fear of walking down the street, that
[45:08] Speaker 16: something has got to change, otherwise, frankly, frankly, our communities
[45:14] Speaker 16: will simply break apart. So it is this issue of
[45:18] Speaker 16: sexual crime above all that I think is fundamentally re
[45:22] Speaker 16: aligning British politics. And it was very interesting. There was
[45:25] Speaker 16: a march in East London on Saturday, all men, all
[45:30] Speaker 16: dressed in black, most of the face masks, and they
[45:33] Speaker 16: were protesting about an anti Islamic extremist demo than in
[45:37] Speaker 16: fact was banned. And as they marched, this army of
[45:41] Speaker 16: young Muslim men in Eeseland, as they marched past the
[45:44] Speaker 16: Left holding up their sort of Queers for Palestine banners,
[45:48] Speaker 16: one says to the marchers were on the same side,
[45:51] Speaker 16: to which he replies, no, we're not, mate, And I
[45:54] Speaker 16: hope the Left finally wake up that actually there is
[45:57] Speaker 16: something even more dangerous that identity politics that is going on,
[46:02] Speaker 16: and that is the turning of a collective blind eye
[46:05] Speaker 16: to Islamic extremism and due hatred openly on the streets
[46:09] Speaker 16: of this once great nation.
[46:11] Speaker 2: And again the impunity with which even a masked person,
[46:17] Speaker 2: but still the impunity with which that they feel they
[46:20] Speaker 2: can take to the streets because regardless of who collectively.
[46:26] Speaker 1: Is, the culture was, the culture.
[46:28] Speaker 2: Will be the culture, and they consider themselves to be
[46:31] Speaker 2: the future, and at some point in time they'll be
[46:34] Speaker 2: able to take off the mask, because that is the future.
[46:36] Speaker 2: That is frightening that they for want of a bit
[46:39] Speaker 2: of term that they've got the balls to be this
[46:41] Speaker 2: public about it.
[46:45] Speaker 16: Well, I have to say I thought the scenes that
[46:48] Speaker 16: I witnessed I wasn't their thank goodness, but the scenes
[46:50] Speaker 16: that I witnessed from East London last weekend were simply
[46:54] Speaker 16: the most frightening things that I've ever ever seen. And
[46:56] Speaker 16: have a look at my YouTube channel. It's all up there.
[46:59] Speaker 16: Please Paul, take the clips, show them to your audience.
[47:03] Speaker 16: You know, this is why we have to be very
[47:06] Speaker 16: very careful about who we both in this and your country,
[47:10] Speaker 16: about who we let in.
[47:11] Speaker 2: Now, the asylum hotel situation is one again that people
[47:15] Speaker 2: in Australia got hang on.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Did the UK?
[47:17] Speaker 2: This big striving country has got such a problem with
[47:22] Speaker 2: the number of people getting inside a leaky boat and
[47:24] Speaker 2: trying to make their way across among other things, the
[47:25] Speaker 2: English channel that we can't put them somewhere else, so
[47:27] Speaker 2: we end up putting them in hotels, We end up
[47:29] Speaker 2: booking the joint out will now a report as suggesting
[47:33] Speaker 2: that this practice, unsurprisingly is costing billions of dollars.
[47:40] Speaker 16: Who knew what a shock? Gosh, isn't this amazing? It's
[47:45] Speaker 16: costing us a fortune?
[47:46] Speaker 1: Who knew? I was the first person.
[47:49] Speaker 16: In twenty twenty, I went to the first migrant hotel
[47:52] Speaker 16: with these young men were being put up and I
[47:54] Speaker 16: videoed it and I showed it across British media and
[47:59] Speaker 16: nobody could quite leave it. What you mean people crossing
[48:01] Speaker 16: my channel get put in forced oigh hotels, get three
[48:05] Speaker 16: meals a day, free dental care, free medical care, and
[48:08] Speaker 16: pocket money as well, and in their spare time can
[48:10] Speaker 16: work in the black market. I mean it's been going
[48:13] Speaker 16: on for five years, and yes, this report's come out
[48:17] Speaker 16: today say it gets costing a fortune, but it's going to
[48:20] Speaker 16: cost even more because they're now tendering. The British government
[48:23] Speaker 16: is now tendering four contracts to look after illegals up
[48:28] Speaker 16: until twenty thirty six blind, which tells you all you
[48:33] Speaker 16: need to know. They have no genuine intent on stopping it.
[48:36] Speaker 16: Well I do, and rather like Tony Abbott and whether
[48:39] Speaker 16: you love him or hate him, Tony as Australian Prime
[48:42] Speaker 16: Minister in twenty twelve did stop the votes and we
[48:46] Speaker 16: will stop the boats and if people believe that, it'll
[48:49] Speaker 16: probably win us the next general election.
[48:51] Speaker 1: Correct.
[48:52] Speaker 2: One of the great advantages that we have been given
[48:56] Speaker 2: by the tectonic plates moving as they have over the
[48:58] Speaker 2: millions of Yews of which they have. We are islands,
[49:02] Speaker 2: and if we are islands, we had the capacity to
[49:04] Speaker 2: use that giant moat to say no.
[49:12] Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean your most obviously is slightly wider than ours,
[49:15] Speaker 16: and ours is more like a sort of.
[49:17] Speaker 1: Anti tank ditch.
[49:18] Speaker 16: Really quickly, that goodness it is, you know because it well,
[49:24] Speaker 16: it stopped the maybe five years ago. Did say thank
[49:26] Speaker 16: goodness for that and a few bracepit foreign hurricane pilots. Yeah, no, no,
[49:31] Speaker 16: I mean not only are were an island, but we're
[49:34] Speaker 16: Brexit Britain, and Brexit Britain was about taking back control
[49:38] Speaker 16: of our borders. And that explains to you why a
[49:42] Speaker 16: Conservative party that one of thumping majority under Boris in
[49:46] Speaker 16: twenty nineteen is now literally nowhere because that is viewed
[49:51] Speaker 16: by Brexit voters as an absolute act of betrayal.
[49:54] Speaker 1: And you know what it is bloody. Oh thank you, Nigel.
[49:57] Speaker 2: Do look forward to saying you can sort of course
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[50:03] Speaker 2: and every week. Late Debate is coming up straight after this.
[50:06] Speaker 2: We'll see you again tomorrow night, you're on Paul Murray Life.
[50:09] Speaker 2: Come on,

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