# Paul Murray Live | 30 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 30 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/6e767853-404a-4838-8dc8-b47900d5cf66/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Drivers brace for a petrol price hike, the lid is lifted on the CFMEU scandal once again. Plus, the 'Trump's America' documentary which celebrates 250 years of America. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky new Setter. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Carolyn. Yeah, tomorrow night the promost finished, you
[0:09] Speaker 1: actually get to see it, the documentary that I'm ast
[0:11] Speaker 1: so proud of a show you a couple of exclusive
[0:13] Speaker 1: crypts in a moment or two time. But I'm standing
[0:15] Speaker 1: up because every second Tuesday your first peek at what
[0:19] Speaker 1: we like to call the Sky News Pulse. This is
[0:21] Speaker 1: our opinion poll put together with the people from you
[0:24] Speaker 1: Gov who got it right on the money at the
[0:26] Speaker 1: last election. Now, many polls have shown a pull back
[0:36] Speaker 1: for One Nation and recovery for Labor that has not
[0:39] Speaker 1: shown up in the Sky News Pulse. In fact, the
[0:42] Speaker 1: headline on tonight's poll is that One Nation is continuing
[0:46] Speaker 1: on with its historic position. It still remains according to
[0:50] Speaker 1: our poll, and I repeat, it was the very successful
[0:53] Speaker 1: one at the twenty twenty five elections, so it ain't
[0:57] Speaker 1: the outli here. This is the primary vote right now.
[1:00] Speaker 1: As you can see, Labor has had a good couple
[1:03] Speaker 1: of weeks, but not enough to overtake One Nation again.
[1:06] Speaker 1: Remember in some of these other poles it's one point
[1:09] Speaker 1: or two point either way, so it's all basically yes,
[1:12] Speaker 1: a little more bunching up, but still one Nation up
[1:15] Speaker 1: in front plus one Labor plus three the coalition. How
[1:18] Speaker 1: does it keep going down or find new ways to
[1:20] Speaker 1: go down? Well, it's exactly that. It remains the reality
[1:24] Speaker 1: of the worst numbers that have ever come out in
[1:26] Speaker 1: polling in the history of Newspole, which has been around
[1:29] Speaker 1: for a long time, or certainly this year with the
[1:31] Speaker 1: Yugov poll that comes out here on Sky News. Let's
[1:35] Speaker 1: break it down by voters. Now, remember Labor is betting
[1:37] Speaker 1: on under fifty versus over fifty, so the youngest of
[1:41] Speaker 1: those voters, Labor still with the biggest slice. But of
[1:45] Speaker 1: course with the Greens, you put the preferences together and
[1:48] Speaker 1: what that's going to be sixty six percent essentially two
[1:51] Speaker 1: thirds are going to be leaning to the left or
[1:52] Speaker 1: even further out, slightly further up in the age groups
[1:55] Speaker 1: once you start to move from the twenties into the thirties,
[1:58] Speaker 1: the millennials here and maybe even people that are starting
[2:01] Speaker 1: to push into their forties. One Nation and Labor again,
[2:04] Speaker 1: two horse race, the Coalition again going backwards there. In fact,
[2:08] Speaker 1: they are fourth, and that particular group of voters, as
[2:11] Speaker 1: you can see, as for my group, the people that
[2:13] Speaker 1: are in their forties or fifties Generation X. You can
[2:17] Speaker 1: see there one nation remains solid. There has not been
[2:20] Speaker 1: the movement in Gen X. Remember Gen X, both men
[2:24] Speaker 1: and women and people right up and down the economic
[2:27] Speaker 1: scar they have remained solid for one nation in this pole. Again,
[2:32] Speaker 1: Labor at twenty seven doing better than they have, but
[2:34] Speaker 1: still one nation. And once you put that together with
[2:37] Speaker 1: the coalition, there's easily fifty five percent of people who
[2:39] Speaker 1: would like to change the direction of the country back
[2:42] Speaker 1: to the center rights here in Australia. As for boomers, again,
[2:47] Speaker 1: I won't put a number on it, because we're all
[2:49] Speaker 1: perennially twenty one right, one nation still upfront thirty nine percent,
[2:53] Speaker 1: Labor at twenty six percent, the coalition at twenty. So again,
[2:57] Speaker 1: if there is preference discipline between coalition voters and one nation,
[3:02] Speaker 1: they preference each other. Again you get into fifty nine
[3:04] Speaker 1: percent of people who want to change the country. But
[3:07] Speaker 1: but but, as I always tell you, about a third
[3:10] Speaker 1: of that coalition number, well they say that they when asked,
[3:13] Speaker 1: would end up preferencing labor. So even if the third
[3:17] Speaker 1: of that number, it's still pretty good for one nation
[3:19] Speaker 1: in that particular area. All right, as for the Prime
[3:21] Speaker 1: Minister and his approval, well, remember this has been a
[3:24] Speaker 1: world of pain. Why because he lied about the budget
[3:27] Speaker 1: and people didn't like the budget when it was put
[3:29] Speaker 1: in place. Well, still a majority, a very clear majority
[3:33] Speaker 1: of voters around the country are dissatisfied with the Prime
[3:36] Speaker 1: minister's performance. It was six in ten two weeks ago,
[3:39] Speaker 1: it's now fifty seven percent. Now, if that is cause
[3:41] Speaker 1: for celebration, you are celebrating the wrong thing, my friends.
[3:45] Speaker 1: Thirty six percent of people more than happy with what's
[3:47] Speaker 1: going on, undecided by seven. Again, we can always go
[3:51] Speaker 1: very deep inside these polls to work out from where
[3:55] Speaker 1: some of this vote is coming or is going. Now,
[3:57] Speaker 1: remember Labor claimed to be the one representing the working class. Well,
[4:01] Speaker 1: they have quite the negative view of the Prime minister.
[4:04] Speaker 1: In fact, more than six out of ten. That number's
[4:07] Speaker 1: gone up in the past two weeks. Is a position
[4:10] Speaker 1: where the Prime Minister is in a world of pain.
[4:12] Speaker 1: About a third of people sitting in satisfied middle class,
[4:17] Speaker 1: the people under the most amount of financial pressure, because
[4:19] Speaker 1: presumably that's when the kids are young, that's when you're
[4:21] Speaker 1: trying to pay off your house. Again, fifty four percent
[4:24] Speaker 1: of those people dissatisfied with the Prime minister. Unsurprisingly, the
[4:28] Speaker 1: only group that's happy with the Prime minister are those
[4:31] Speaker 1: like him with cash in their hand or potentially the
[4:34] Speaker 1: property ladder, which is being brought up behind again the
[4:38] Speaker 1: Prime minister. There fifty three percent of people in the
[4:41] Speaker 1: well off category saying that they are satisfied in terms
[4:45] Speaker 1: of your household finances and whether they have got better
[4:47] Speaker 1: or worse in the past couple of weeks. Remember this
[4:50] Speaker 1: has been a pretty bleak picture for some time. Well again,
[4:53] Speaker 1: I want to show you the overall number here where
[4:56] Speaker 1: forty nine percent of people say no change. But remember
[4:59] Speaker 1: those weren't positive reviews that said thirty nine percent say
[5:03] Speaker 1: it's getting worse. Just nine percent in the past two
[5:06] Speaker 1: weeks say things are getting better. Unsurprisingly, when you get
[5:09] Speaker 1: to working class and you talk about the family's financial situation,
[5:13] Speaker 1: you can see fifty four percent of people in just
[5:16] Speaker 1: the past two weeks are saying things are getting worse.
[5:19] Speaker 1: As for the middle class in this number here worth
[5:23] Speaker 1: seeing twenty five percent getting worse. But again a level
[5:25] Speaker 1: of stability at sixty one percent. But is it stable
[5:29] Speaker 1: at bad or is it stable at and we can
[5:32] Speaker 1: survive for those that are well off well, Unsurprisingly, it
[5:35] Speaker 1: reads exactly as you would expect, where thirty two percent
[5:37] Speaker 1: of people say in the past two weeks who were
[5:39] Speaker 1: already well off, like the Prime minister, well that apparently
[5:43] Speaker 1: things are getting better now. Also, multiple polls have asked
[5:47] Speaker 1: a question about house prices. Now, personally, I think this
[5:52] Speaker 1: is one where would you like house prices to go down?
[5:54] Speaker 1: Why so the people wanting a house in your family
[5:56] Speaker 1: will be able to get one, Sure, But I think
[5:59] Speaker 1: the reality is that when it's time to sell your house,
[6:01] Speaker 1: you're not looking for the first time buy. You're looking
[6:03] Speaker 1: for the biggest number that you can get. That said,
[6:06] Speaker 1: in this opinion poll, fascinating to watch, forty nine percent
[6:10] Speaker 1: of people say that they want a decrease in house prices. Now,
[6:15] Speaker 1: the other version of that is that they would be
[6:17] Speaker 1: okay with a reduction in the amount of money that
[6:20] Speaker 1: they could get when it comes to selling their home. Now,
[6:24] Speaker 1: we'll discuss this a lot tonight because multiple poles are
[6:28] Speaker 1: telling us the same thing. Now, let's break this down
[6:31] Speaker 1: into the people who've already bought their home, paying off
[6:33] Speaker 1: their home, or those that would one day like a home.
[6:36] Speaker 1: If you own your own home. Apparently forty percent of
[6:38] Speaker 1: people in our poll are saying they're happy that if
[6:41] Speaker 1: they could sell it for one point two a month ago,
[6:44] Speaker 1: theoretically for one point one, they'll be okay. I've never
[6:47] Speaker 1: seen a person sell their house like that. But the
[6:49] Speaker 1: pole is the pole. Those that have a mortgage paying
[6:53] Speaker 1: off right now and at a moment's time may have
[6:56] Speaker 1: to actually sell that house. Well, this is where it
[6:59] Speaker 1: gets a little more evil. Twenty three percent a quarter
[7:01] Speaker 1: of people, because they're in that scenario of the bet
[7:04] Speaker 1: where they'll be able to play that financial couplunk, they
[7:06] Speaker 1: want house prices to continue to grow. Thirty eight percent
[7:09] Speaker 1: of people currently paying off a mortgage would like the
[7:13] Speaker 1: value of the home to go down, or more importantly,
[7:15] Speaker 1: the opportunity for somebody else to buy the home to
[7:17] Speaker 1: become perhaps a little bit easier than maybe it was
[7:19] Speaker 1: for them. As for those that aren't in the mood
[7:22] Speaker 1: for buying or maybe just in the world of hope
[7:24] Speaker 1: for it right now. In terms of renting, surprise surprise,
[7:27] Speaker 1: sixty six percent of people want the house that they
[7:29] Speaker 1: may eventually bid on to be worth less than it
[7:32] Speaker 1: currently is now. For the sticker price to go down now.
[7:36] Speaker 1: I talked to the Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson a bit
[7:38] Speaker 1: later in the show, but I wanted to show you
[7:40] Speaker 1: here's response to these numbers, particularly in and around the
[7:44] Speaker 1: question of if you own a home, if you're paying
[7:46] Speaker 1: off a home, or you'd want a home, do you
[7:49] Speaker 1: want the prices to go up or down?
[7:53] Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of shy responses going on.
[7:55] Speaker 2: Everybody wants their house price to go up once they've
[7:57] Speaker 2: got one. How quickly in the pace of change is
[8:00] Speaker 2: a different thing.
[8:02] Speaker 3: But we also want to make.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Sure that the next generation can buy a home too.
[8:06] Speaker 2: So I think it's shy responses for polling behavior, and
[8:10] Speaker 2: I think it shows that Australians are very aware of
[8:12] Speaker 2: the challenges of the housing crisis. And that's what's so
[8:15] Speaker 2: disastrous about this federal budget. You know, the federal budget.
[8:19] Speaker 2: They're actually going to build fewer homes because of the
[8:21] Speaker 2: new taxes, rather than focusing on what we need to
[8:24] Speaker 2: do to build more homes. Because if people can't make
[8:26] Speaker 2: a buck out of housing, they won't invest in it
[8:29] Speaker 2: and they won't build it.
[8:31] Speaker 1: We talked to Tim Wilson a little bit later in
[8:33] Speaker 1: this Evening's program and then we can always send me
[8:35] Speaker 1: an email. What do you think of the poll? It's
[8:36] Speaker 1: up now. It's skynews dot com dot auemail is Paul
[8:39] Speaker 1: at skynews dot com dot au. This, of course, is
[8:43] Speaker 1: the last day of June. Tomorrow is the first of July,
[8:46] Speaker 1: the start of a brand new financial year. If that's
[8:48] Speaker 1: a big thing for you, then yay, enjoy the party.
[8:51] Speaker 1: Let's party like it's twenty twenty seven or on its
[8:55] Speaker 1: way to it. Now. The focus of the government in
[8:58] Speaker 1: question time trying to move the conversation on from what
[9:01] Speaker 1: has been politically hurting them, that being the budget is
[9:04] Speaker 1: to focus on a tax cut for everyone. But remember
[9:08] Speaker 1: there's devil in the detail here.
[9:11] Speaker 4: The tax cuts which also come in from Wednesday, the
[9:13] Speaker 4: first of July.
[9:16] Speaker 1: And they will be five dollars a week. Five dollars
[9:20] Speaker 1: a week. Now, yes, every dollar counts, all the rest
[9:23] Speaker 1: of it, but nobody's life is about to turn around here.
[9:25] Speaker 1: It is a giant political game to be able to
[9:28] Speaker 1: say where for a tax cut asterisk? How small was it?
[9:31] Speaker 1: You're against a tax cut? Asterisk? Should that money have
[9:34] Speaker 1: gone somewhere else? You understand the politics. But also at midnight,
[9:39] Speaker 1: while five dollars a week appears Guess what disappears? Five
[9:43] Speaker 1: dollars a week. Why because petrol is about to go up,
[9:47] Speaker 1: the government wanting to hold onto as much of that
[9:51] Speaker 1: excise money as possible. Remember they charged fifty two cents
[9:54] Speaker 1: per liter. Well we slowly get back there in a
[9:57] Speaker 1: couple of months time, but it goes up by sixteen
[9:59] Speaker 1: cents elita at midnight tonight, that being Tuesday into Wednesday
[10:04] Speaker 1: if you're watching us live otherwise it is in from Wednesday.
[10:07] Speaker 1: Hence why lots of people were filling up today. Phil Thompson, well,
[10:12] Speaker 1: he can see what's going on here. They give with
[10:14] Speaker 1: one hand and they take back with two fingers.
[10:17] Speaker 4: People are doing it tough, like it is really tough
[10:20] Speaker 4: out there when you're out, when you're not sitting in
[10:22] Speaker 4: Parliament House and all the politicians and you know, get
[10:24] Speaker 4: the cars in and out of work, when you're actually
[10:27] Speaker 4: paying for your fuel, and when you're then going to
[10:30] Speaker 4: the shopping center to buy your fruit and vege. People
[10:35] Speaker 4: are doing it tough. And I think the government hasn't
[10:37] Speaker 4: pulled all the leavers it could to make people's lives
[10:41] Speaker 4: a bit easier.
[10:42] Speaker 1: And also July the first Finally, finally, finally, the promo
[10:45] Speaker 1: has finished and you get to see the documentary that
[10:48] Speaker 1: I've made to celebrate two hundred and fifty years of
[10:50] Speaker 1: the United States being an independent country. Trump's America two
[10:53] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years in the Making is a journey
[10:56] Speaker 1: coast to coast, from class to class, from the very
[10:59] Speaker 1: top to the very bottom, seeing people living their best
[11:02] Speaker 1: day their worst day. By the way, if you're ever
[11:04] Speaker 1: planning a trip anytime soon, can I suggest Nashville. Nashville
[11:08] Speaker 1: is kind of the new version of Vegas, and if
[11:09] Speaker 1: you particularly go on a Friday, you'll understand why it's
[11:12] Speaker 1: an awesome place to be going with your mates. Now,
[11:16] Speaker 1: one of the people that I was very honored to
[11:17] Speaker 1: be able to sit down and have a chat to
[11:19] Speaker 1: was Kid Rock, of course, the country music and rock performer. Well,
[11:24] Speaker 1: he invited us literally to his house. You have to
[11:28] Speaker 1: see the house to believe that the house is a
[11:31] Speaker 1: replica of the White House. It's exactly what you would
[11:34] Speaker 1: do if you were a star like him and you
[11:38] Speaker 1: belove America as much as he does. Well, I've just
[11:40] Speaker 1: loaded up on YouTube on the Sky News YouTube page.
[11:43] Speaker 1: The full conversation with Kid Rock but here's a taste
[11:46] Speaker 1: of what you're going to see tomorrow night about why
[11:48] Speaker 1: he loves the red, white, and blue. It's in his veins.
[11:54] Speaker 1: Away from the craziness on the outskirts of town is
[11:57] Speaker 1: would you believe the southern white house? Wow, look at
[12:03] Speaker 1: this play. Welcome to kid Rock Country. This school a
[12:07] Speaker 1: place where music, patriotism, and politics all come together. Oh
[12:12] Speaker 1: so well, I'm going to ask about your relationship with
[12:15] Speaker 1: the President. Yeah, what's it like having a buddy who's
[12:18] Speaker 1: running the world? Awesome? Does he text you randomly? How
[12:24] Speaker 1: does it go?
[12:25] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of my late night drinking tricks, you know,
[12:28] Speaker 5: because I know when to get him, and he's so gracious.
[12:31] Speaker 5: He always picks up or he'll call and check in
[12:34] Speaker 5: just to shoot the shit. Most of the time, you know,
[12:36] Speaker 5: I enjoy the hell out of hanging out with him
[12:38] Speaker 5: and talking with him and just having a front row
[12:42] Speaker 5: seat to the greatest shit show on Earth.
[12:46] Speaker 1: He doesn't hold back, and he talks about how, yes,
[12:48] Speaker 1: the American dream is something everyone strives for and working
[12:51] Speaker 1: hard is key, but to get to the tippy top,
[12:53] Speaker 1: to get to where he is, and remember he didn't
[12:55] Speaker 1: start out there. He started out of course on the
[12:57] Speaker 1: outskirts of Michigan, Detroit and Michigan. You've got to put
[13:01] Speaker 1: in like ten thousand hours. Will we talk about that,
[13:04] Speaker 1: his love of country and some fun stories along the way.
[13:06] Speaker 1: It's one of the coolest house. It's clearly the coolest
[13:09] Speaker 1: house I've ever been in. You will join me on
[13:10] Speaker 1: that trip tomorrow and right at eight o'clock. But again,
[13:14] Speaker 1: America is a country of contrasts, lots of different things
[13:17] Speaker 1: that I want to show you. For people that have traveled,
[13:19] Speaker 1: there are things you might see, but there's plenty that
[13:22] Speaker 1: you haven't. Plenty that you have to be able to
[13:24] Speaker 1: go as deep into the weeds as we were able
[13:27] Speaker 1: to do. And we had the experience of being able
[13:29] Speaker 1: to go to McAllen in Texas, which is the southernmost
[13:33] Speaker 1: county in the United States. It literally is on the
[13:36] Speaker 1: border wall. I got the chance to talk to the sheriff.
[13:38] Speaker 1: We even had a little peak in a jail. I'll
[13:41] Speaker 1: show you that tomorrow, But tonight I want to show
[13:43] Speaker 1: you about what it was like to be a police
[13:46] Speaker 1: officer who was on the border when Biden had it
[13:49] Speaker 1: wide open. I mean, it can be both functional and symbolic,
[13:54] Speaker 1: right we're closed. We're going to make this as hard
[13:57] Speaker 1: as possible. We can't stop every single person, but as
[14:00] Speaker 1: hard as possible.
[14:01] Speaker 3: That's the theory to show you know, this is not
[14:04] Speaker 3: the way to come. There's a reason this wall is here.
[14:08] Speaker 1: I want you to help me out here to work
[14:10] Speaker 1: out if I'm on the right path or you've got
[14:12] Speaker 1: to set me right. It seemed like when Biden was elected,
[14:17] Speaker 1: message goes out all the way down south borders open.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Did more people come because of that message? And then
[14:25] Speaker 1: when Trump says closed, they just don't bother coming up
[14:28] Speaker 1: at all. You're butt on. It is a great chat
[14:32] Speaker 1: and the mustache the reason alone to be watching Tomorrow
[14:35] Speaker 1: night at eight o'clock July, the first, ahead of the fourth,
[14:38] Speaker 1: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of American independence, the
[14:41] Speaker 1: celebration of freedom from a person who loves the joint,
[14:43] Speaker 1: but obviously loves this one more Tomorrow night, eight o'clock
[14:46] Speaker 1: straight in Eastern time here on Sky News. All right,
[14:49] Speaker 1: back to the country that matters the most, and then,
[14:51] Speaker 1: of course is ours. And I want to focus on
[14:53] Speaker 1: the obvious problem that exists right now in Victoria. Now
[14:57] Speaker 1: the big builders, of course, a giant infrastructure project where
[15:00] Speaker 1: the costs have never been believable. They're all blown out. Yes,
[15:03] Speaker 1: eventually one day all of this stuff starts to open.
[15:06] Speaker 1: But it has helped bank basically bankrupt the state. But
[15:09] Speaker 1: more importantly has been the allegations of corruption, specifically the
[15:14] Speaker 1: paid a play style corruption that to be able to
[15:17] Speaker 1: do anything in and around the Big Build you had
[15:19] Speaker 1: to have an association with the CFMEU. Now this apparently
[15:24] Speaker 1: has led to some people getting paid by the taxpayer
[15:27] Speaker 1: twenty five percent higher than other bids because of the
[15:32] Speaker 1: connections that all those people had. Now the absurdity and
[15:35] Speaker 1: I think the great divide in Australia isn't left and
[15:38] Speaker 1: right anymore. It's yes, still rich and poor, but it's
[15:40] Speaker 1: about whether you're paying attention or not. If you've been
[15:43] Speaker 1: paying attention in Victoria, you want to flush this mob,
[15:46] Speaker 1: especially when they gaslight like this that it's not corruption,
[15:50] Speaker 1: it's inflation. That's the reason the big build keeps going
[15:54] Speaker 1: up and up and up, and.
[15:57] Speaker 6: So whether it's a hospital, school or or a tunnel,
[16:01] Speaker 6: we have seen that through inflationary pressures. Inflationary pressures that
[16:05] Speaker 6: includes the supply of materials and also worker wages. They've
[16:10] Speaker 6: gone up over the past twelve years, and that also
[16:13] Speaker 6: includes the period of the pandemic. Now that's not corruption,
[16:18] Speaker 6: that's inflation.
[16:20] Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't blame Iran or Trump. But of
[16:23] Speaker 1: course sixty Minutes showed the money trail. They had an
[16:27] Speaker 1: insider who was aware of the payments and how they work.
[16:31] Speaker 1: One more time if you didn't see it.
[16:34] Speaker 7: Despite Tony Chacconi's denials, he has paid me Gatto more
[16:39] Speaker 7: than thirty times, over one million dollars in total, with
[16:44] Speaker 7: multiple payments. In twenty twenty six, we've also learned Chaconi
[16:49] Speaker 7: is one of at least two big billed Gatto payers
[16:53] Speaker 7: who've separately made donations and other payments totaling tens of
[16:58] Speaker 7: thousands of dollars to the Victorian Labor Party and the CFMU.
[17:04] Speaker 3: But why would they do that, Oh, we'll have a guess.
[17:07] Speaker 3: It's for exactly the same reason. The point is that
[17:10] Speaker 3: they want the connections with the Labor Party the same
[17:13] Speaker 3: way that they wanted with the CFMU. There's a strong
[17:16] Speaker 3: connection between the Labor Party, the CFMU and the building industry.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Perfect example. As you know, every labor MP has to
[17:22] Speaker 1: be a member of a union. What's the one that
[17:23] Speaker 1: Penny Wong's a member of the cu Today? Victoria Police
[17:28] Speaker 1: again pushing the story along, but not in the right direction. Here, organized,
[17:34] Speaker 1: strategic and out of our remit the police giving a
[17:37] Speaker 1: reality check about what's happening here. Jeffrey Watson, the bloke
[17:39] Speaker 1: who you saw talking to the reporter on sixty minutes, Well,
[17:43] Speaker 1: he of course refers to nonsense what you've just heard
[17:46] Speaker 1: from the premiere, because of course you saw the money trail.
[17:50] Speaker 1: You saw the paper trail, not the spin trail. Inflation
[17:53] Speaker 1: may have some sort of a role, but it's a
[17:55] Speaker 1: relatively minor one. In any event, standard inflation rates have
[17:58] Speaker 1: been built into earlier estimates, as they always are. It's
[18:01] Speaker 1: time to stop making excuses and address the issue. Well,
[18:05] Speaker 1: this sort of inside running for unions. And remember they're
[18:09] Speaker 1: the single biggest donors to the Labor Party. Every member
[18:13] Speaker 1: of the caucus is a member of a union. Now again,
[18:16] Speaker 1: if this was a private company with such power over
[18:19] Speaker 1: a political party, will they'd be setting their hair on fire.
[18:22] Speaker 1: But it's all organized, it's all just the way it is.
[18:24] Speaker 1: It's all too hard to deal with. But if you're
[18:27] Speaker 1: looking back in time, at the moment where Victoria lost
[18:30] Speaker 1: the plot when it came to its ability to get
[18:32] Speaker 1: on top of this. Well, pretty much the same thing
[18:34] Speaker 1: is happening in Canberra as we speak. While the attention
[18:38] Speaker 1: was on the budget, while the attention is on the
[18:39] Speaker 1: soccer ruse, while the attention is on Paul and Hanson
[18:42] Speaker 1: and monoculture. Look over here, look over here. What did
[18:44] Speaker 1: the Labor Party get through with the Greens? Well, a
[18:47] Speaker 1: new law, a new law that Jeffrey Watson, the same
[18:50] Speaker 1: guy who was having a crack about just into Allen
[18:54] Speaker 1: and the problems with the CFMU, Well, he gave quotes
[18:58] Speaker 1: today about this. He says that the central risk in
[19:02] Speaker 1: any system that gave a small group of people's significant
[19:04] Speaker 1: influence over access to valuable commercial opportunities. What I saw
[19:09] Speaker 1: when I was doing work of the CFMU was the
[19:11] Speaker 1: power given to an EBA was concentrated in the hands
[19:14] Speaker 1: of a few people, and that meant it was very,
[19:16] Speaker 1: very easily corrupted. It meant that people who held that
[19:20] Speaker 1: power could control the market. Now this is law. They
[19:24] Speaker 1: are heading the Victorian way, which is why Michaulia Cash
[19:29] Speaker 1: was saying this on our air today.
[19:31] Speaker 8: This bill changes the law to allow the Commonwealth to
[19:34] Speaker 8: favor businesses with union backed enterprise agreements for taxpayer funded contracts.
[19:41] Speaker 8: Today that's actually prohibited.
[19:44] Speaker 9: I guess what.
[19:45] Speaker 8: Labor just made it legal. The Menuals Council warns it
[19:49] Speaker 8: could distort up to fifty billion dollars in Commonwealth contracts.
[19:55] Speaker 8: I believe government contracts should be awarded on the best
[20:00] Speaker 8: value for taxpayers money, not on who has the right
[20:05] Speaker 8: union deal.
[20:06] Speaker 1: All right, you know I love talking to Cosa Marius
[20:08] Speaker 1: from Redbridge. Their pole came out on the weekend. It
[20:11] Speaker 1: was in full detail and more detail up on Costa
[20:13] Speaker 1: Marius's substack and also in the Financial Review and he
[20:16] Speaker 1: joins us right now to talk about opinion polls. Great man,
[20:19] Speaker 1: before we get to the national picture, can I, without
[20:21] Speaker 1: to notice, get to the Victorian picture, because we know
[20:26] Speaker 1: that there's some briefing that's even been put out in
[20:29] Speaker 1: the media tonight. Here's the nine seats we've officially given
[20:31] Speaker 1: up on. I think what is at sixteen that need
[20:34] Speaker 1: to actually change the change the election. Do issues like
[20:38] Speaker 1: the big bill, like the CEFM me you permeate into
[20:42] Speaker 1: the suburbs or is it one of those ones that
[20:44] Speaker 1: sadly is the I pay attention or I don't pay
[20:47] Speaker 1: attention world.
[20:49] Speaker 10: It used to be the case that people didn't pay attention,
[20:52] Speaker 10: but they are definitely paying attention to it now. It's
[20:55] Speaker 10: coming unprompted in our focused scripts all the time. It's
[20:58] Speaker 10: definitely led weight around the government's ankles, and it's contributing
[21:03] Speaker 10: to the polling numbers that we're seeing that we're seeing
[21:05] Speaker 10: in the future as well.
[21:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, also, and again without notice, we're seeing this nonsense
[21:09] Speaker 1: with more redeeming. Obviously she'll get booted out of the Libs.
[21:12] Speaker 1: Obviously she'll find every way to fight back, and it'll
[21:14] Speaker 1: go on and on. But to be honest, you can't
[21:17] Speaker 1: play out the past week and expect to remain part
[21:20] Speaker 1: of the team when people are talking about making a
[21:23] Speaker 1: move from the government to somewhere else, when something like
[21:27] Speaker 1: this more redeeming thing took place. Is it happening at
[21:30] Speaker 1: exactly the worst time for the Libs because people at
[21:33] Speaker 1: that number are starting to look, and if they look
[21:36] Speaker 1: and see a problem here, it doesn't necessarily keep them
[21:39] Speaker 1: in the labor camp, but it makes it harder for
[21:41] Speaker 1: the Libs to get the transition to a vote and
[21:44] Speaker 1: lock it in as soon as possible, rather than last
[21:46] Speaker 1: minute before November.
[21:48] Speaker 10: What we've seen with all the polling in Victoria now
[21:51] Speaker 10: for the last I would say four to five months
[21:53] Speaker 10: is three major parties or in the twenties. Some pulses
[21:57] Speaker 10: will fluctuate in terms of the reporting of each one
[21:59] Speaker 10: of each and one of those parties, but most of
[22:02] Speaker 10: them are in the mid twenties. So what does that mean. Well,
[22:06] Speaker 10: one nation will probably be a larger threat to the
[22:08] Speaker 10: Labor Party in the outer side of his in Melviourne.
[22:10] Speaker 10: That's a problem for the Liberal Party because that's where
[22:12] Speaker 10: they would have loved their gains. And then of course
[22:15] Speaker 10: one nation will pick up a lot of regional electorates
[22:18] Speaker 10: at the expense of the coalition. So again I've always
[22:21] Speaker 10: said this that I wouldn't rule out right now unless
[22:23] Speaker 10: something changes that one nation ends up being the larger
[22:26] Speaker 10: of the two conservative parties that win seats at the
[22:30] Speaker 10: November state election and actually form government.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't that be extraordinary that we are on the
[22:37] Speaker 1: verge of potentially not just one nation with a few seats,
[22:39] Speaker 1: but maybe on its way to government. Closer we get
[22:41] Speaker 1: more the detail, right, So let's get back to the
[22:44] Speaker 1: federal picture, because in your poll and News poll Morgan
[22:48] Speaker 1: as well, there was a flip where one nation goes
[22:51] Speaker 1: back to number two, Labor revives itself back to number one,
[22:55] Speaker 1: a couple of points, still within the margins, but still
[22:57] Speaker 1: obviously we can't pretend that the podium hasn't flipped. Slightly
[23:01] Speaker 1: different story with the Pulse poll, but essentially everything you're
[23:04] Speaker 1: showing here a little bit of re gathering of momentum
[23:08] Speaker 1: for labor. I've talked a lot about the labor curious
[23:11] Speaker 1: One Nation voter. The ACTU campaign deliberately trying to pull
[23:16] Speaker 1: them back in the focus groups. Are they the people
[23:19] Speaker 1: that are the ones that have moved or are there
[23:21] Speaker 1: some surprising moves about who's come off One Nation in.
[23:25] Speaker 10: The past two weeks Pauline's coalition of voters, her most
[23:30] Speaker 10: vulnerable vote is that is that group that's come late
[23:34] Speaker 10: and it's largely come off labor, and this group is
[23:37] Speaker 10: prone to an ACTU campaign. You know, it's a sort
[23:40] Speaker 10: of group that you would say will bite down harder
[23:43] Speaker 10: on any industry relations issues and will probably mark it
[23:47] Speaker 10: down on some of the stuff she did at the
[23:48] Speaker 10: press Club, which wasn't probably the most the best strategic
[23:51] Speaker 10: things she could have done, particularly when it comes to
[23:55] Speaker 10: her position on workers, because what we've seen growth since
[24:01] Speaker 10: last year is overwhelmingly by being granted to by people
[24:06] Speaker 10: who are salaried wagers. Working class people out there and
[24:10] Speaker 10: outer birds and regions who have lots of debt or
[24:14] Speaker 10: they rent there, aren't own any assets beyond that, they're
[24:19] Speaker 10: supporting parents who are probably on the pension and their
[24:22] Speaker 10: kids are doing it tough too. So these people cannot
[24:25] Speaker 10: afford any rules that make it easy for the boss
[24:27] Speaker 10: to sack them. So it wasn't the smartest things she
[24:30] Speaker 10: could have done.
[24:31] Speaker 1: And what about monoculture. I mean, you were very quick
[24:33] Speaker 1: to point out this isn't just a stumble, this is
[24:35] Speaker 1: going to be a problem. We've seen the weaponization of
[24:39] Speaker 1: that now. Obviously there have been people that have reacted
[24:42] Speaker 1: after understanding her speech. There are people who've reacted on
[24:46] Speaker 1: some of the lies about her speech. But the reality
[24:49] Speaker 1: of Australia is that there's a certain point on the
[24:52] Speaker 1: electoral pendulum where the mix of voters means they're not
[24:57] Speaker 1: going to sign up to anything but what is considered
[25:01] Speaker 1: to be the modern view of Australia. But of course
[25:04] Speaker 1: there's a pendulum that's absolutely excited about saying we've gone
[25:07] Speaker 1: in the wrong direction too. So what are you noticing
[25:11] Speaker 1: in what voters are saying to you? On top of
[25:13] Speaker 1: the numbers, but when you actually talk to.
[25:15] Speaker 10: Them, Yeah, we're talking about the twenty percent that she
[25:20] Speaker 10: owns will probably agree with her statement. That ten percent
[25:25] Speaker 10: that late vote again, we'll go back to that late
[25:27] Speaker 10: vote that's come on board, will probably disagree with that statement.
[25:32] Speaker 10: And also makes it just a lot harder for one
[25:35] Speaker 10: nation to actually pitch too diverse Australians a narrative that
[25:38] Speaker 10: they are there for them. Now. I know she tried
[25:41] Speaker 10: to put some caveats afterwards, but it's not just an
[25:45] Speaker 10: area that I think is all the reason why people
[25:48] Speaker 10: coming to her. They're coming to her because they've been
[25:50] Speaker 10: economically abandoned. They're coming to her because they think the
[25:53] Speaker 10: policy that's been implemented by both major parties has failed
[25:58] Speaker 10: them on the economic front. And I think that if
[26:01] Speaker 10: she sticks to that, she may actually be able to
[26:03] Speaker 10: keep her base where it is and have a pretty
[26:06] Speaker 10: good turn to come next federal election.
[26:08] Speaker 1: Have you noticed anyone in the past two months who
[26:11] Speaker 1: has become liberal curious somebody who may have gone somewhere
[26:15] Speaker 1: else and they're going, you know what, They're doing their
[26:17] Speaker 1: best they can because we keep being told there's a plan,
[26:20] Speaker 1: and it's playing out and we're in the fight. You
[26:22] Speaker 1: know all that that cope that's going on right now.
[26:25] Speaker 1: I think your nonverbal answer answers it for me.
[26:30] Speaker 10: Well, even these poll tonight that you've put out, it
[26:34] Speaker 10: shows a very significant deep with the coalition vote. We
[26:38] Speaker 10: are reporting the same news, poles are reporting the same.
[26:41] Speaker 10: They have become completely irrelevant to the public debate. It
[26:44] Speaker 10: is now really a one nation labor contest, and unless
[26:50] Speaker 10: something changes drastically with their strategy, they're going to be
[26:54] Speaker 10: relevant for a very long time and they will lose
[26:57] Speaker 10: a lot of skin and a lot of seats come
[26:58] Speaker 10: next election.
[26:59] Speaker 1: All Right, last question here for those that are playing
[27:02] Speaker 1: along at home. When you see something go up or
[27:04] Speaker 1: down by a point, is that statistical noise? If you
[27:07] Speaker 1: see it go up or down by three, that's real movement.
[27:11] Speaker 1: Give people an idea about what is the gray zone
[27:14] Speaker 1: versus something's going on here?
[27:16] Speaker 10: Yeah, the real something's going on here is that it
[27:19] Speaker 10: actually occurs over a period of months. So I knew
[27:22] Speaker 10: something was happening with the one nation vote after I
[27:23] Speaker 10: saw it a couple of times, you know, over a
[27:26] Speaker 10: couple of months, maybe even three months, in between poles.
[27:30] Speaker 10: You know, one or two or three percent. That's just
[27:32] Speaker 10: data noise, particularly when you're dealing with the one nation
[27:34] Speaker 10: and labor vote at the moment, and particularly because we're
[27:37] Speaker 10: living for a fairly significant transition in our democracy, and
[27:41] Speaker 10: so I wouldn't read too much into it.
[27:42] Speaker 9: The only thing I read into.
[27:43] Speaker 10: Our pole was Hanson's net satisfaction rating going down in
[27:48] Speaker 10: a very significant way ten percent. So that was the
[27:51] Speaker 10: direct result of a two week period. That's the only
[27:54] Speaker 10: thing I paid attention to. But it didn't shift to
[27:56] Speaker 10: primary all that much.
[27:57] Speaker 1: Yeah well' telling well, I mean again, and we'll see
[28:00] Speaker 1: all that, presumably with other people when it comes to
[28:02] Speaker 1: these three way contests on preferred prime Minister. I love
[28:05] Speaker 1: talking to you, mate, A love you big brain. I
[28:06] Speaker 1: love how much work you put into all of it.
[28:08] Speaker 1: And again it's about getting it right, and you get
[28:10] Speaker 1: it right so often. Thank you, mate, do appreciate it.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Cosamaris there at Redbridge you can read his stuff on
[28:15] Speaker 1: a substack which he's got, or of course you can
[28:17] Speaker 1: go to the Australian Financial Reviews website. Also follow him
[28:22] Speaker 1: on all the socials. All right, now we're redeeming, so
[28:25] Speaker 1: we know the noise, we know the allegations, we know
[28:27] Speaker 1: what has been pushed to one side and said no,
[28:29] Speaker 1: didn't happen. When it comes to the police, Jess Wilson
[28:32] Speaker 1: has even canceled supposed meetings that were on their way.
[28:35] Speaker 1: So she's obviously on her way out the door. What
[28:38] Speaker 1: damage does she do before and after that? And a
[28:41] Speaker 1: whole lot more before we're done tonight on Palmurray Life.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching. Where have you happened
[28:50] Speaker 1: to be? Now? Joining us right now? From where is
[28:53] Speaker 1: Linda Scott to And I'm going to guess that might
[28:55] Speaker 1: be Brisbane? On Melbourne? You are She's in Melbourne, Carlos
[28:58] Speaker 1: corember Is with one day in the South Australian Parliament,
[29:01] Speaker 1: got the proud ors he flag behind him. God, love
[29:03] Speaker 1: your brother, Love you to see you, my friend Linda.
[29:05] Speaker 1: All right, so let's get to this scott News pulse.
[29:08] Speaker 1: What do you guys have as a reaction to things?
[29:11] Speaker 1: Slightly better for labor, slightly off for one nation, but
[29:13] Speaker 1: one nation still is the most popular political party in
[29:17] Speaker 1: the country. Carlos, what do you think of where the
[29:19] Speaker 1: poles are in the past couple of weeks showing something's changing,
[29:22] Speaker 1: not a massive change, but something's changing. But we've still
[29:24] Speaker 1: got you in front.
[29:26] Speaker 9: Yeah, look mate, I think we're It's still a bit
[29:28] Speaker 9: early to call with two years out, we're definitely in
[29:32] Speaker 9: and around the business. I think it's good. People I'm
[29:35] Speaker 9: speaking to are really confident about what's going on and
[29:38] Speaker 9: they're happy to be part of the party, and the
[29:39] Speaker 9: party is growing in a rapid not here in South Australia.
[29:42] Speaker 9: Just a quick shout out to the very caravan park.
[29:44] Speaker 9: Actually I'm in one of their cabins at the moment
[29:47] Speaker 9: on the way back from Canberra, so always carry the
[29:49] Speaker 9: Aussie flag. But yeah, likes to say, get out of
[29:52] Speaker 9: the guys who might be watching in tonight.
[29:54] Speaker 1: No doubt, plenty of caravan parks around the country. Watch
[29:56] Speaker 1: you just right now. Get to everyone wherever you happen
[29:58] Speaker 1: to be, hotel, room, at home, vanna or anywhere else. Linda,
[30:01] Speaker 1: your thoughts here. Multiple poles are showing that labor either
[30:05] Speaker 1: the bleeding has stopped or is starting to find its
[30:08] Speaker 1: way again. It's all single digits, as because was talking
[30:11] Speaker 1: about before, It's not about a week to week movement,
[30:14] Speaker 1: it's month to month movement. Here, what are you seeing
[30:17] Speaker 1: about these poles?
[30:19] Speaker 11: Look, I think it is a case that polls do
[30:21] Speaker 11: come and polls do go, and they're going to change,
[30:24] Speaker 11: you know, from this week to the next. I'm not
[30:26] Speaker 11: sure that following them week by week is particularly useful
[30:29] Speaker 11: to predict any kind of election outcome this far out
[30:32] Speaker 11: from a federal election. But I do think Australia is
[30:36] Speaker 11: waking up to the truth about One Nation and Paul
[30:40] Speaker 11: Enhanson and that they're just not on the side of
[30:42] Speaker 11: working people. You know, they're heading off to canber and
[30:45] Speaker 11: voting against laws that support equal pay, you know, and
[30:48] Speaker 11: a range of other things that support working people. We've
[30:51] Speaker 11: also seen a speech tonight or you know today from
[30:56] Speaker 11: the Liberal Party president Tony Abbott that was just really
[31:00] Speaker 11: out of this world in terms of talking in an
[31:04] Speaker 11: even more extreme level in some cases than One Nation
[31:07] Speaker 11: about these themes that One Nation are bringing up of monoculture. Again,
[31:12] Speaker 11: I think just showing us that, you know, there are
[31:14] Speaker 11: these three conservative parties in Australia now One Nation, the
[31:18] Speaker 11: Liberals and the Nationals, and they're really all moving to
[31:21] Speaker 11: the right. They're all moving to the far right and
[31:25] Speaker 11: you know, leaving you know, really an unelectable group of
[31:29] Speaker 11: right being parties in Australia are that are pretty problematic
[31:32] Speaker 11: there which against Australia's amazing migrant community. They're speaking out
[31:39] Speaker 11: against a range of Australians and the wonderful multicultural communities
[31:43] Speaker 11: that we have, and you know that that is just
[31:47] Speaker 11: that's a dangerous thing to do for harmony in Australia.
[31:49] Speaker 11: It's a dangerous thing to do as a vision for
[31:52] Speaker 11: the future. But it's also I think going to awaken
[31:56] Speaker 11: Australians to the real truth about the kinds of things
[31:59] Speaker 11: that they in their ideology.
[32:01] Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, I mean you also just heard
[32:03] Speaker 1: I was talking about them potentially winning the election in Victoria.
[32:06] Speaker 1: They currently don't have a leader, so they're still running
[32:08] Speaker 1: pretty well. Carlos again, Pauline Hanson in one of her
[32:11] Speaker 1: speech spoke about your Argentinian heritage. I think that was
[32:16] Speaker 1: in their love of barbecue all the rest of it.
[32:18] Speaker 1: We you're the perfect story of the type of person
[32:20] Speaker 1: who has lineage somewhere else, who loves the joint, has
[32:24] Speaker 1: got that flag behind them.
[32:25] Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's so true. And can I just quickly
[32:28] Speaker 9: point out to Linda that it's actually when she says
[32:30] Speaker 9: that unelectable, well, actually you're looking at an elected member in
[32:33] Speaker 9: the Parliament of South Australia and there's seven of us,
[32:36] Speaker 9: So I don't know where you're going with the unelectable
[32:38] Speaker 9: part of things. I think what's really happening is that
[32:40] Speaker 9: you're really concerned that once the Liberal Party is out
[32:44] Speaker 9: of the way, we're coming after the Labor Party. So
[32:46] Speaker 9: this is why I'm hearing that, you know, the Labor
[32:48] Speaker 9: Party is now propping up Andrew Hasty and all the
[32:50] Speaker 9: other people they think should be running the show. The
[32:53] Speaker 9: simple fact is you're right, Paul was. I came here
[32:56] Speaker 9: when I was eighteen months old and that was the
[32:58] Speaker 9: best day of my life when my parents chow to
[33:00] Speaker 9: come to this country and they chose to care about
[33:03] Speaker 9: that flag, they chose to care about what makes this
[33:05] Speaker 9: country great. And we're not seeing that from some of
[33:08] Speaker 9: the immigrants that are coming in here. You only have
[33:10] Speaker 9: to see what happened on that beach in Bondai, and
[33:12] Speaker 9: austrains have had a gut full and that I don't
[33:13] Speaker 9: want any more of it. And now we're running scared
[33:16] Speaker 9: of the word monoculture, and I think we should add
[33:18] Speaker 9: something else so that is monocivic as well. We have
[33:21] Speaker 9: one set of rules and one set of laws that
[33:23] Speaker 9: we all live by happily, and that should not change.
[33:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, let's turn our attention to what is happening
[33:29] Speaker 1: in Victoria and again the problems in and around the
[33:31] Speaker 1: big build. As Cosse was mentioning before, this has jumped
[33:34] Speaker 1: outside of the political track. It is being heard and
[33:37] Speaker 1: seen by lots of people everywhere, and there's a push on,
[33:39] Speaker 1: including from Jeffrey Watson, who've shown multiple times, who says
[33:42] Speaker 1: that we should have a royal commission into what is
[33:44] Speaker 1: taking place here now, Linda, even though you're labor to
[33:48] Speaker 1: your bootstraps. When they turn around in sixty minutes, shows
[33:52] Speaker 1: shows the trail that as to why taxpayers being twenty
[33:57] Speaker 1: five percent over and then the premier comes out and say, no,
[34:00] Speaker 1: that's inflation, that's inflation. Honestly, there has to be an
[34:04] Speaker 1: inquiry into this because if the government is not willing
[34:07] Speaker 1: to recognize what has been proven and proven and proven
[34:09] Speaker 1: and proven, well then they just think people don't notice
[34:12] Speaker 1: and are just waiting for the ribbons to be cut
[34:17] Speaker 1: and get on with it.
[34:20] Speaker 11: Look, I know people love to throw this mard and
[34:22] Speaker 11: they've been doing it for many years. But the facts
[34:24] Speaker 11: are as the Prime Minister laid out in Parliament today
[34:28] Speaker 11: at these of that right, the Prime Minister took action
[34:32] Speaker 11: to expel John Sika from the Labor Party. He took
[34:37] Speaker 11: steps to ensure that the CFMU, when there were concerns
[34:41] Speaker 11: about the probity of that organization, were put into administration.
[34:46] Speaker 11: There is nobody in the country that's done more to
[34:50] Speaker 11: work hard to clean up this union than the current
[34:55] Speaker 11: Labor Prime Minister. And again people are going to throw mud.
[34:58] Speaker 11: It's an election campaign that happens, but this theme is closed.
[35:05] Speaker 11: It is done. The people in the Labor Party who
[35:08] Speaker 11: were required to take action took those really important actions
[35:12] Speaker 11: and the union is currently still in administration. So if
[35:17] Speaker 11: people have corruption allegations to make, instead of going on
[35:21] Speaker 11: Sky News or any other meeting sixty minutes so they
[35:23] Speaker 11: should refer them to the police. They should refer them
[35:27] Speaker 11: to anti corruption agencies and make the allegations and have
[35:30] Speaker 11: them investigated. But trial by media right before an election campaign,
[35:35] Speaker 11: You've got to call that out for what it is.
[35:36] Speaker 11: It's just like naked politicking and all it does is
[35:39] Speaker 11: reduce people's trust with allegations that are unproven.
[35:44] Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but Carlos again to my point here, which
[35:48] Speaker 1: is sixty minutes shows and again the whole thing is
[35:52] Speaker 1: out there to say I've shown that the thing again
[35:54] Speaker 1: about somebody paying someone because they've got to pay overs
[35:57] Speaker 1: why because that's the only way to get in. It
[35:59] Speaker 1: ends up costing the taxpayer. And the premier comes out
[36:02] Speaker 1: and says, oh no, it's inflation. I mean, how patronizing
[36:06] Speaker 1: is this stuff.
[36:07] Speaker 9: They must think that we're morons in all seriousness, Paul,
[36:11] Speaker 9: you know what really loses trust with people when you
[36:13] Speaker 9: rip them off to the tune of fifteen billion dollars,
[36:16] Speaker 9: which is exactly what the cfmmy you had done, or
[36:18] Speaker 9: while the Labour Party sat on their hands and took
[36:21] Speaker 9: the money. You know, we've seen them here in South Australia.
[36:24] Speaker 9: Now they're starting to fly the flag behind our building
[36:27] Speaker 9: in South Australia, the Parliament building, and they see the
[36:30] Speaker 9: tunnel that we're building, they see the hospital at their building.
[36:33] Speaker 9: They're rubbing their hands thinking, right, what else can we
[36:35] Speaker 9: rip the people off? For and so we've actually come
[36:38] Speaker 9: up with myself and Corey, you're going to put forward
[36:40] Speaker 9: a committee, select committee to do a full investigation into
[36:44] Speaker 9: what's happening before it happens in South Australia and knock
[36:47] Speaker 9: it on their head because this is tax phase money.
[36:49] Speaker 9: It's unacceptable.
[36:50] Speaker 1: Well, and again, you saw what was happening in Camberra
[36:52] Speaker 1: to day. You've heard the allegations from the opposition about
[36:55] Speaker 1: the fast tracking of this stuff. All right, last morn
[36:57] Speaker 1: before we go.
[36:58] Speaker 11: Sorry, let's just call that out. This is literally an
[37:01] Speaker 11: elected representative investigating something that he said hasn't happened. Like,
[37:06] Speaker 11: what kind of Awellian world are we going to be
[37:09] Speaker 11: in if we elect.
[37:10] Speaker 1: Well, we established a national corruption commisiated and there was
[37:13] Speaker 1: no evidence of any.
[37:14] Speaker 11: Corruption country an allegation. Well, that's just Orwellian and dangerous.
[37:21] Speaker 9: That is a dangerous thing to say.
[37:25] Speaker 1: And I don't think this is all right right, I'm
[37:27] Speaker 1: almost out of time here, but let's go super fast
[37:29] Speaker 1: here more redeeming you reckon, she sticks around in the
[37:32] Speaker 1: Liberal Party, Linda or finally they're going to boodh her.
[37:36] Speaker 9: It's just a.
[37:36] Speaker 11: Matter for the Liberal Party. They're a divided Party. You know,
[37:41] Speaker 11: the Victorians have a really important choice to make about
[37:44] Speaker 11: whether they elect a safe, trusted government that can carry
[37:48] Speaker 11: on the great work that they've been doing, or they
[37:51] Speaker 11: elect one of the three extreme right wing parties, even
[37:56] Speaker 11: within one of those three that can't get on with
[37:59] Speaker 11: each other, or being the same room together. It's an extraordinary,
[38:02] Speaker 11: extraordinary set of affairs.
[38:03] Speaker 1: I would suggest that the Victorian version of the Labor
[38:06] Speaker 1: Party is probably one of, if not the most extreme
[38:08] Speaker 1: of the governments that are around again. But there's no
[38:10] Speaker 1: surprise in all of that. Carlos again, But the Libs
[38:13] Speaker 1: aren't doing themselves any favors. I mean, they've got to
[38:15] Speaker 1: win an awful lot of seats. My expectation is for
[38:17] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of reasons they may fall short. I
[38:19] Speaker 1: hope they don't. But you can't have nonsense like this.
[38:23] Speaker 1: I say, good on Jess Wilson to going Look, I'm
[38:24] Speaker 1: not getting involved no more, see you later. To me,
[38:28] Speaker 1: that seems like the only way to go. But what
[38:30] Speaker 1: do you think.
[38:31] Speaker 9: Look, this is the one thing I will agree with, Linda.
[38:35] Speaker 9: This is a Liberal party issue. One nation's focusing on
[38:38] Speaker 9: one nation issues and trying to get rid of the
[38:41] Speaker 9: probably the ugly, the worst government that the Labor that
[38:45] Speaker 9: the South, sorry the Victorian people have ever had to
[38:48] Speaker 9: enduel with. So yeah, we want to get we want
[38:50] Speaker 9: to get out of there. We want to take over
[38:53] Speaker 9: and leave the Liberal Party deal with their rubbish.
[38:56] Speaker 1: All right, good on you guys, Thank you do appreciate it.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Here is Jess Wilson talking about it today.
[39:00] Speaker 12: Matthew's asked for an apology and I support that a
[39:03] Speaker 12: shall I reached out tomorrow and I have requested when
[39:06] Speaker 12: she returns to Melbourne that we speak and have a
[39:09] Speaker 12: conversation with her. But right now I focus on supporting Mack.
[39:13] Speaker 1: You Tim Wilson, the Shadow Treasure is next on Paul
[39:16] Speaker 1: my Rolo, and I'm pleased to say that Tim Wilson
[39:24] Speaker 1: joins us now from Camber. Tim. Love you to see
[39:26] Speaker 1: you mate.
[39:28] Speaker 2: Good to see you Paul in the man Cave.
[39:29] Speaker 1: Now. You have been nothing but relentless about the CFMU,
[39:33] Speaker 1: the ties that bind to the Labor Party, in the
[39:36] Speaker 1: stench that hangs in the air, and there's a lot
[39:38] Speaker 1: around it today. Earlier in the show, I talk about
[39:40] Speaker 1: this how unsurprisingly Labor and the Greens get together and
[39:43] Speaker 1: essentially what has been allowed to fester and flourish in
[39:47] Speaker 1: Victoria has now been brought to Canberra, which is unions
[39:51] Speaker 1: get the inside run on taxpayers money.
[39:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically a protection racker, and Labor and Green's
[39:59] Speaker 2: work to make sure the protection racket continues to operate
[40:02] Speaker 2: and shield a CFMU. It's actually shockingly straightforward what happens.
[40:07] Speaker 2: The CFMU gets bought in charge of work sites. They
[40:11] Speaker 2: then dole out larges and license about who can access them.
[40:15] Speaker 2: They take racketeering profits from that process, and often it's
[40:19] Speaker 2: funded by the taxpayer. So this is literally public money
[40:23] Speaker 2: that has found its way into the hands of organized crime.
[40:26] Speaker 2: And the answer from Labor hasn't been to say this
[40:29] Speaker 2: is disgraceful, we have to stop it. It's been let's
[40:31] Speaker 2: shut down any inquiry or process which explains the connection
[40:35] Speaker 2: between them and of course the CFMU an organized crime well.
[40:39] Speaker 1: And as we saw yet again proven by Nick McKenzie
[40:42] Speaker 1: on sixty Minutes, which was paper trial, says that the
[40:46] Speaker 1: government knew Money Trail says that clearly people are paying
[40:51] Speaker 1: overs in order to be able to access the scheme.
[40:55] Speaker 1: Justinto Allen, when asked about it, actually believes people are
[40:59] Speaker 1: this stupid that it's not corruption. The twenty five percent
[41:04] Speaker 1: extra to access the system is not the reason the
[41:06] Speaker 1: total cost goes up. It's inflation. Do they honestly think
[41:10] Speaker 1: that people are that stupid?
[41:12] Speaker 6: And so, whether it's a hospital, school or a tunnel,
[41:16] Speaker 6: we have seen that through inflationary pressures. Inflationary pressures that
[41:21] Speaker 6: includes the supply of materials and also worker wages. They've
[41:25] Speaker 6: gone up over the past twelve years, and that also
[41:28] Speaker 6: includes the period of the pandemic. Now that's not corruption,
[41:33] Speaker 6: that's inflation.
[41:35] Speaker 2: Well, I think they think they can get away with
[41:37] Speaker 2: it and just talk around the topic. Whereas we know
[41:40] Speaker 2: for well, the Albanezy government was well aware of the corruption,
[41:44] Speaker 2: so was the Victorian government. They continued to support and
[41:48] Speaker 2: pour money into these projects, knowing it was going into
[41:51] Speaker 2: the hands of organized crime.
[41:53] Speaker 9: And even since.
[41:54] Speaker 2: Those allegations have been made, the federal government has gone
[41:57] Speaker 2: on and tipped three point eight billion dollars into big
[42:01] Speaker 2: bill projects in Victoria and double down. They don't care
[42:06] Speaker 2: Paul at the end of the day, because there's been
[42:08] Speaker 2: so little accountability associated with CFMAU corruption and even today
[42:14] Speaker 2: in question Time were asked about it by Angus Taylor,
[42:17] Speaker 2: the leader of the opposition, and he gave very evasive
[42:20] Speaker 2: answers because they know the paper trail, they know the
[42:23] Speaker 2: money trail links back not just to the Victorian government
[42:26] Speaker 2: but to the alban Easy government.
[42:27] Speaker 1: We've had a couple of opinion polls, including tonight's which
[42:30] Speaker 1: asked the question about do you want house prices to
[42:32] Speaker 1: go up or do you want house prices to go down?
[42:35] Speaker 1: According to the resolved poll, it was the majority of
[42:38] Speaker 1: people who own property they're either paying it off or
[42:41] Speaker 1: they own it themselves who want property to go down,
[42:44] Speaker 1: which would mean the value of the home that they
[42:46] Speaker 1: would sell would be going down. And then Scytney's polse
[42:50] Speaker 1: gets pretty close as well. I've got to say it's
[42:52] Speaker 1: a contradiction with every person that I've ever known, older
[42:56] Speaker 1: or younger than me, about why they buy property and
[42:59] Speaker 1: what the expectation is, and about why we stretch ourselves
[43:02] Speaker 1: right out to the limit when it comes to the borrowing,
[43:05] Speaker 1: because the assumption is that when we play financial complunk
[43:07] Speaker 1: in ten twenty thirty years that helps pay for age care.
[43:11] Speaker 1: What do you think of this subsection of opinion which
[43:15] Speaker 1: would seem to be the cover that the government has
[43:18] Speaker 1: seen as to why they've made all the changes that
[43:20] Speaker 1: they have.
[43:23] Speaker 2: Well, this question is often being asked to politicians at
[43:25] Speaker 2: the moment. You know that, Paul, do you want house
[43:28] Speaker 2: prices to go up? For house prices to go down?
[43:30] Speaker 2: And everybody gives will I want them cheaper for her
[43:32] Speaker 2: first home buyers. I otherwise want slower growth for the
[43:36] Speaker 2: rest of the country. I think there's a lot of
[43:38] Speaker 2: shy responses going on. Everybody wants their house price to
[43:41] Speaker 2: go up once they've got one. How quickly in the
[43:44] Speaker 2: pace of change is a different thing. But we also
[43:46] Speaker 2: want to make sure that the next generation can buy
[43:49] Speaker 2: home too. So I think it's shy responses for polling
[43:53] Speaker 2: behavior and I think it shows that Australians are very
[43:56] Speaker 2: aware of the challenges of the housing crisis. And that's
[43:59] Speaker 2: what so astrous about this federal budget. You know, the
[44:02] Speaker 2: federal budget. They're actually going to build fewer homes because
[44:05] Speaker 2: of the new taxes, rather than focusing on what we
[44:08] Speaker 2: need to do to build more homes. Because if people
[44:10] Speaker 2: can't make a buck out of housing, they won't invest
[44:13] Speaker 2: in it and they won't build it well.
[44:15] Speaker 1: And it's also largely the only way to go from
[44:19] Speaker 1: the Fortnightly monthly working wage until eventually being able to
[44:25] Speaker 1: have enough money to pay for age care. I just think,
[44:28] Speaker 1: you know, I know that the whole design of this
[44:29] Speaker 1: government is about pushing people to dependence. Well, the reality
[44:32] Speaker 1: is you want to be able to fund as much
[44:36] Speaker 1: of your age care as possible, and that can only
[44:38] Speaker 1: come out of again, the sale of a property that
[44:41] Speaker 1: ends up being quite a sizable amount of money left
[44:43] Speaker 1: over from what you purchased. But also, I don't think
[44:47] Speaker 1: you guys are getting enough credit for the questions that
[44:49] Speaker 1: you are asking, which marry the decisions of the budget
[44:53] Speaker 1: which has seen this slowing in the housing market in
[44:57] Speaker 1: fact the reversal in some areas now and says well,
[45:00] Speaker 1: it's not to do with the budget. It might be
[45:02] Speaker 1: high interestrates. Well, we had two of the three interst
[45:04] Speaker 1: rate rises because of the inflation that is running too
[45:07] Speaker 1: hot because of this government. So they own it either way, right,
[45:11] Speaker 1: But equally they've set up this five percent deposit scheme.
[45:14] Speaker 1: And you quite correctly asked the obvious question, Hey, how
[45:17] Speaker 1: many people who only barely got there in the past
[45:19] Speaker 1: twelve months, whose money is now going on loans that
[45:23] Speaker 1: are bigger than the cost of the property or the
[45:26] Speaker 1: value of the property that they've got. How do you
[45:28] Speaker 1: square that circle? And they just pretend you didn't answer
[45:31] Speaker 1: the question that you didn't notice policy and policy.
[45:34] Speaker 2: B Yeah, I mean the government doesn't want to answer
[45:39] Speaker 2: these questions because at the day they know that their
[45:42] Speaker 2: policies have led to a very low level of confidence
[45:45] Speaker 2: in the Australian community. We've seen new consumer data and
[45:48] Speaker 2: small business data out today that shows that this budget
[45:52] Speaker 2: has acted as a wrecking ball through confidence in the
[45:55] Speaker 2: Australian economy, and that means that people are less likely
[45:57] Speaker 2: to buy. But there's also a tail, and we've seen
[46:00] Speaker 2: this in Victoria. They keep upping the taxes on properties,
[46:04] Speaker 2: so eventually people do sell, prices do soften, but then
[46:07] Speaker 2: you just don't get any new bills. So so long
[46:09] Speaker 2: as they continue to overshoot their migration targets, the cost
[46:13] Speaker 2: of housing to purchase will eventually go back up. But
[46:16] Speaker 2: in addition to that, in the meantime, the cost of
[46:19] Speaker 2: rents goes up because there's fewer rental properties in the market,
[46:23] Speaker 2: and of course we have more people demanding them, so
[46:26] Speaker 2: the cost of rents goes up. And last time I checked, Paul,
[46:29] Speaker 2: most people rent before they go on and buy a property,
[46:32] Speaker 2: and so you're actually kneecapping first home first home buyer
[46:37] Speaker 2: aspirants in the process of saving as well as when
[46:41] Speaker 2: they actually go on to buy their first time So
[46:43] Speaker 2: this is just a classic move by the government. Take
[46:46] Speaker 2: from tomorrow, spend today's stoke inflation but leaves everybody poorer.
[46:51] Speaker 1: I agree. If you do too, please send menim My
[46:52] Speaker 1: Pault's going use dot com dot a U. Timilson, the
[46:54] Speaker 1: Shadow treasure great breck them more. Let's have a look
[46:57] Speaker 1: at what they did on social media while you were
[46:59] Speaker 1: working in the late debate thing at Tuesday night. This
[47:07] Speaker 1: is the time when you are reflecting on Jesus. It
[47:09] Speaker 1: has been fun to work for the government for the
[47:10] Speaker 1: past two days. Yeah, you're working hard. You're sending your
[47:12] Speaker 1: money to Canberra. They spend it not just on the
[47:15] Speaker 1: bad politicians, but the people who make bad social media
[47:18] Speaker 1: videos about those politicians, including this labor MP.
[47:22] Speaker 12: Do you know how to make spreadsheets beautiful?
[47:24] Speaker 10: Really simple?
[47:25] Speaker 11: Check this out gridlines, get rid of gridlines and then voila,
[47:29] Speaker 11: that is a beautiful spreadsheet. You know what else we're
[47:32] Speaker 11: trying to make beautiful the housing market.
[47:37] Speaker 1: Our old mate from Queensland's at it again. Remember this
[47:40] Speaker 1: is for adults, not for children. The members entrance is
[47:56] Speaker 1: on the other side, and this too, because of course
[48:00] Speaker 1: one nation is the enemy, evil evil. Just remember you
[48:12] Speaker 1: pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars. You pay the
[48:14] Speaker 1: staff collectively millions of dollars to make stuff like that.
[48:18] Speaker 1: All right, one last time, I've got to give the plugs.
[48:20] Speaker 1: I keep mentioning it because I really want you to
[48:22] Speaker 1: say it. Why because I had a lot of fun
[48:23] Speaker 1: making it, and I'm really proud of what we've made.
[48:25] Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, eight pm. Of course, Trump's America at two
[48:28] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years in the making. We're doing all
[48:30] Speaker 1: of this July the first, because July the fourth, of course,
[48:33] Speaker 1: is their birthday. We're getting in early, so I'll see
[48:35] Speaker 1: it tomorrow night for Paul Murray Live. But join tomorrow
[48:38] Speaker 1: night at eight for what is a special bit of
[48:41] Speaker 1: telling

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