# Paul Murray Live | 22 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 22 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/9de40d49-55eb-49c8-8a41-b47100d5f9cd/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer resigns, the prime minister's 'transparency' is missing in action. Plus, Jacinta Allan drains taxpayer cash. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky new setter.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Carolyn. Hello, mate,
[0:08] Speaker 2: come on into the man k. Yeah, the breaking news
[0:10] Speaker 2: is Keir Starmer is virtually gone as the Prime Minister
[0:14] Speaker 2: of the United Kingdom. Now the process is that he
[0:18] Speaker 2: will wait until the beginning of July. Anyone who wants
[0:22] Speaker 2: to be the next leader of the Labor Party puts
[0:24] Speaker 2: their hand up. If no one apart from Andy Burnham,
[0:28] Speaker 2: the freshly elected former mayor of Greater Manchester, puts their
[0:32] Speaker 2: hand up, well then there will be the orderly transition
[0:34] Speaker 2: that will happen in and around the middle of July.
[0:37] Speaker 2: If somebody, including somebody from the hard left or somebody
[0:40] Speaker 2: from the existing parliament, believes that they should stand up
[0:44] Speaker 2: to make a contest of it, well then this thing
[0:45] Speaker 2: could go to September in a moment to our friend
[0:48] Speaker 2: Mark Dolan in the United Kingdom. But if you missed it,
[0:50] Speaker 2: the breaking news happening in the six o'clock hour Australi
[0:53] Speaker 2: in Eastern time was the resignation of a pretty unpopular
[0:58] Speaker 2: Prime Minister of the UK.
[1:01] Speaker 3: Every decision I've taken has been about putting the country
[1:04] Speaker 3: I love first. That is why I will resign as
[1:09] Speaker 3: Leader of the Labor Party. I have spoken to His
[1:13] Speaker 3: Majesty the King this morning to inform him of my decision.
[1:18] Speaker 3: I will ask the National Executive Committee of the Labor
[1:21] Speaker 3: Party to set out a timetable with nominations opening on
[1:25] Speaker 3: the ninth of July and completed by the summer recess.
[1:29] Speaker 2: Now we've lived this plenty times in Australia, where we
[1:31] Speaker 2: see a politician saying, yes, despite the fact I'm unpopular,
[1:34] Speaker 2: despite the fact I'm going look at all the amazing
[1:36] Speaker 2: things that I did. But really, do you see a
[1:39] Speaker 2: pledge of support for the new leader? Now previously we've
[1:42] Speaker 2: had I won't be snipping from the backbench, or I
[1:44] Speaker 2: won't be a miserable ghost. We all know that never
[1:47] Speaker 2: to have been the case. But at least Keir Starmer
[1:49] Speaker 2: says that he will support whoever the Labor Party chooses
[1:52] Speaker 2: to replace him. Remember he's just two years into a
[1:55] Speaker 2: five year term.
[1:58] Speaker 3: I will also give my successor my full and unequivocal support,
[2:03] Speaker 3: knowing that they will inherit a Britain that is far
[2:06] Speaker 3: stronger and fairer than the wine I inherited two years ago.
[2:10] Speaker 3: But are prepared for the challenges ahead and bet are
[2:13] Speaker 3: able to ensure the labor parties occurs a second term
[2:17] Speaker 3: in office.
[2:18] Speaker 2: If you've seen this all night, then you know the
[2:20] Speaker 2: obvious highlight was the end. Now. I love when people say, well,
[2:23] Speaker 2: why wasn't that, Why didn't somebody talk like this when
[2:26] Speaker 2: they weren't resigning. The reality is is that even if
[2:29] Speaker 2: they said it before they were resigning, people don't give
[2:31] Speaker 2: them mercy. But there is a mercy that is delivered
[2:34] Speaker 2: on a human level. And that's where he finished his
[2:36] Speaker 2: speech at the front of number ten about three hours ago.
[2:40] Speaker 3: I shall spend more time on the most important job,
[2:44] Speaker 3: being the best husband I can to my fantastic wife Vick,
[2:49] Speaker 3: who has been a rock by my side through good
[2:52] Speaker 3: times and bad, and being the best dad I can
[2:56] Speaker 3: to my beautiful children who are my pride and my joy.
[3:02] Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
[3:04] Speaker 2: Now, my tip is that he gets rehabilitated pretty quickly
[3:07] Speaker 2: by many of those that have pushed him out. Why
[3:09] Speaker 2: because his legacy will be that he was the first
[3:12] Speaker 2: labor leader in a generation to be able to win
[3:14] Speaker 2: from opposition. But there will be a pretty penny inevitably
[3:17] Speaker 2: on the table for him to write a book. Why
[3:19] Speaker 2: because he will have the inside word and the current
[3:21] Speaker 2: President of the United States. They went from a relatively
[3:24] Speaker 2: warm position. He at some point was even considered a
[3:27] Speaker 2: Trump whisperer, obviously when it came to matters to do
[3:30] Speaker 2: with Ukraine, showing a little more mercy and potential opportunities
[3:34] Speaker 2: for Ukraine to be able to defend against Russia. But
[3:38] Speaker 2: of court, obviously his decision not to get involved in
[3:40] Speaker 2: the war in Iran put him at odds with the President,
[3:42] Speaker 2: so much so that the President, who received a phone
[3:45] Speaker 2: call from the special relationship the President of the United
[3:48] Speaker 2: States Prime Minister of the UK mate, I'm going to
[3:50] Speaker 2: pull the pin tomorrow. Trump, true to form, didn't wait
[3:53] Speaker 2: for it to happen instead. But he's on his way out.
[3:55] Speaker 2: So if anything, those will be the questions that will
[3:58] Speaker 2: be the focusly, that will be the book deals that
[4:02] Speaker 2: happen as soon as the beginning of the middle of July.
[4:07] Speaker 2: Now normally in the political parlance, the body, well it
[4:11] Speaker 2: gets a day of morning. Today is of course the
[4:14] Speaker 2: day all in and around the current Prime Minister on
[4:16] Speaker 2: his way up. We don't live in that world anymore.
[4:19] Speaker 2: Andy Burnham, the man who had tried to be the
[4:21] Speaker 2: Labour leader twice before, was a pretty unsuccessful federal figure,
[4:24] Speaker 2: was able to rehabilitate himself on one of the major
[4:27] Speaker 2: cities of the North, that being the Greater Manchester area.
[4:30] Speaker 2: He has read, he has tweeted, as we do these days.
[4:33] Speaker 2: They all hate x they went it's Elon Musk but
[4:35] Speaker 2: when they want to hide from the cameras, Kia has
[4:37] Speaker 2: given service to our country and I want to thank
[4:39] Speaker 2: him for his leadership dedication. Now apparently these two blogs
[4:42] Speaker 2: haven't spoken, by the way, they didn't speak in the
[4:44] Speaker 2: lead up to the by election, they haven't spoken after.
[4:47] Speaker 2: His decision marks the beginning of a transition that is
[4:49] Speaker 2: important to the process is conducted orderly, responsible way. I
[4:53] Speaker 2: put myself forward as part of this process, so we
[4:55] Speaker 2: all knew he was going to put his hand up.
[4:57] Speaker 2: He's made it very clear he's ready to go and
[4:59] Speaker 2: May is in office as soon as the middle of July.
[5:02] Speaker 2: Now she doesn't get any credit in the opinion polls,
[5:04] Speaker 2: but anyone who watches PMQ's in the UK would have
[5:08] Speaker 2: to admire the work of Kimmy Badenoch, who is the
[5:10] Speaker 2: leader of the Conservatives. She has absolutely bashed this blog
[5:14] Speaker 2: pillared a post in the Parliament. If performances inside the
[5:18] Speaker 2: parliament matters, she should be in a much stronger position.
[5:21] Speaker 2: But here she says the true legacy really when it
[5:23] Speaker 2: comes to Kiyo Starmer hiking national insurance, the family farm tax,
[5:28] Speaker 2: giving up on real welfare reform, not funding our defense,
[5:31] Speaker 2: not drioling for our own oil and gas, apporting Peter
[5:33] Speaker 2: Mendelssohn and then lying about when it happened, Britain is
[5:36] Speaker 2: not ungovernable. Kiyos Starmer is a terrible Prime Minister. But
[5:39] Speaker 2: the problem isn't just Kiyo Starmer. Labor MPs will only
[5:42] Speaker 2: want to higher taxes and hand out more benefits. As
[5:46] Speaker 2: the Welfare Secretary has pointed out, these are labour choices
[5:49] Speaker 2: their values, regardless of who is running the country. We
[5:52] Speaker 2: need to get Britain working again. We need the Conservatives.
[5:55] Speaker 2: The man who was one more than three hundred opinion
[5:58] Speaker 2: polls is Nigel For now they have hit a brick wall.
[6:01] Speaker 2: They were expected to be able to maybe defeat Andy
[6:04] Speaker 2: Burnham coming into the parliament. They won all of the
[6:07] Speaker 2: requisite local council elections, but they are saying election now.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Reform demands an election. We are ready to deliver a
[6:14] Speaker 2: radical change off Labour thinks it can shove another professional
[6:17] Speaker 2: politician into number ten. It has nothing. It has another
[6:20] Speaker 2: thing coming. He has written a essay on his sub
[6:23] Speaker 2: stack and that is where he is tonight. Mark Dolan,
[6:27] Speaker 2: we spoke to him just a couple of days ago
[6:29] Speaker 2: imagining what was about to happen. Let's talk to him
[6:31] Speaker 2: because it has happened now. Of course, he is a
[6:33] Speaker 2: host to Talk TV. So you spoke about Andy Burnham
[6:37] Speaker 2: about how a country can't be run on vibes, But
[6:39] Speaker 2: vibes seems to be the big argument here. What did
[6:42] Speaker 2: you think of the way that Starmer stepped down?
[6:45] Speaker 4: Well, on a human level, you're going to have some
[6:47] Speaker 4: sympathy and actually politically too, Paul, because for his sins
[6:51] Speaker 4: and his many failures in office, this is a guy
[6:53] Speaker 4: that achieved a huge landslide victory in twenty twenty four
[6:57] Speaker 4: less than two years ago. So he had a man,
[7:00] Speaker 4: He had a majority in the House of Commons, but
[7:03] Speaker 4: he squandered it. And the reason why is because, ultimately,
[7:06] Speaker 4: notwithstanding his lack of personality, his robotic style, he's wedded
[7:11] Speaker 4: to left wing ideas that simply don't work.
[7:14] Speaker 5: Since he got into office.
[7:15] Speaker 4: We've had open borders eighty thousand illegal immigrants since he
[7:18] Speaker 4: got into number ten.
[7:20] Speaker 5: The economy has gone south.
[7:21] Speaker 4: Growth is down, unemployment is up, inflation is up. The
[7:25] Speaker 4: British people are struggling. He's borrowing more cash. Last month,
[7:30] Speaker 4: the United Kingdom borrowed in the region of forty five
[7:34] Speaker 4: million Australian dollars in a month just to keep the
[7:38] Speaker 4: lights on. So in the end, it's a tale of
[7:41] Speaker 4: failure in office. And for me, notwithstanding on a human level,
[7:44] Speaker 4: of course it's tough. I would say for me, it's
[7:46] Speaker 4: not goodbye, it's good riddance.
[7:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like most have been glued to screens over the
[7:51] Speaker 2: past couple of hours watching everyone with the hot takes,
[7:53] Speaker 2: and it seems that there's a different vibe inside the
[7:57] Speaker 2: labor Party that the path back to this succeed is
[8:00] Speaker 2: to hand out more money. But as you just explained,
[8:02] Speaker 2: the budget is not in a position to be able
[8:05] Speaker 2: to do it. Modern monetary theory says, who cares, they'll
[8:08] Speaker 2: never call in the debt. But of course the priority
[8:12] Speaker 2: of paying off the debt goes from the tenth biggest
[8:13] Speaker 2: thing in the budget to the fifth, to the second,
[8:15] Speaker 2: until eventually it becomes the single biggest thing that the
[8:19] Speaker 2: government has to do. If the path is all right,
[8:22] Speaker 2: whoever wants money can get money, and that's how we
[8:24] Speaker 2: get them back. I see your physical reaction to that.
[8:29] Speaker 2: I would hate it too. But do you think that's
[8:31] Speaker 2: the lever they're going to try to pull most definitely.
[8:34] Speaker 4: And by the way, I really loved your opening monologue.
[8:36] Speaker 4: I thought you summed up what's happening in the UK brilliantly.
[8:39] Speaker 4: And it's just it's like anything, it's like a business.
[8:42] Speaker 5: It's poor management.
[8:43] Speaker 4: You know, we've had what six or seven prime ministers
[8:46] Speaker 4: in ten years. If it was six or seven CEOs
[8:49] Speaker 4: in a decade, that would be a distressed business. And
[8:52] Speaker 4: the incoming guy, Andy Burnham, who is nailed on to
[8:55] Speaker 4: be our next prime minister, be clear about that all
[8:58] Speaker 4: and he'll be in post you said July, maybe August, September,
[9:02] Speaker 4: but he's going.
[9:03] Speaker 5: To be the next prime minister. This is the guy
[9:04] Speaker 5: that just a.
[9:05] Speaker 4: Few months ago said we should not be in hock
[9:08] Speaker 4: to the international bond markets. Well, that is an economically
[9:12] Speaker 4: illiterate thing to say, because these are the Rolex wearing
[9:16] Speaker 4: financiers upon who's large s we rely because they lend
[9:21] Speaker 4: us the money. I mean, I will tell you I've
[9:23] Speaker 4: got a mortgage with HSBC. I would love it if
[9:25] Speaker 4: I was not in hock to them, But Paul Murray.
[9:28] Speaker 2: I am well also my team. Just double check the
[9:32] Speaker 2: numbers here. The current deficit of the UK is two
[9:35] Speaker 2: point ninety four trillion pounds. Now, of course that's three
[9:38] Speaker 2: times basically Australian dollars. So everyone we're worried here about
[9:42] Speaker 2: crossing the one trillion, and that, of course is an
[9:45] Speaker 2: existential problem for this country. Budget deficit twenty three point
[9:48] Speaker 2: three billion dollars. Again, every deficit added to the previous,
[9:52] Speaker 2: Edit to the previous, added to the previous. But I
[9:55] Speaker 2: want to talk about a phenomena that has existed in
[9:58] Speaker 2: Western politics for some time. Maybe it's always been thus,
[10:01] Speaker 2: but the time periods speed up and speed up. A
[10:05] Speaker 2: single person is never the total reason for a nation's problem,
[10:10] Speaker 2: nor are they the ultimate savior either, right they are
[10:12] Speaker 2: not elected kings or deities or queens. There are plenty
[10:16] Speaker 2: of people who say, well, if only this one person
[10:18] Speaker 2: was in charge, then everything's okay. The truth is that,
[10:22] Speaker 2: no matter how they spin at the complexities of running
[10:25] Speaker 2: a country always always catch up with personality politics, doesn't it.
[10:32] Speaker 4: Absolutely The best example Margaret Thatcher, who was a transformative figure.
[10:36] Speaker 4: She won three landslide victories, she won a war, and
[10:40] Speaker 4: in seventy nine we were the poor man of Europe,
[10:42] Speaker 4: a sick country economically and societally. By eighty seven, a
[10:46] Speaker 4: global economic and diplomatic powerhouse. But yeah, even Thatcher lost
[10:51] Speaker 4: the plot towards the end nineteen ninety, deposed by her
[10:55] Speaker 4: own party. They are just human beings, Paul. We don't
[10:58] Speaker 4: expect perfection, but what we do want also is a
[11:03] Speaker 4: government that won't protect the national boundaries of the country.
[11:06] Speaker 4: The British people are furious about illegal immigration, which is
[11:09] Speaker 4: an issue that Australia dealt with very thoroughly in the
[11:12] Speaker 4: last decade, but we're still grappling with that. The inflation's
[11:16] Speaker 4: a shocker because that's a stealth tax on everyone. And
[11:19] Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, but you can't blame it all on
[11:22] Speaker 4: the war in Iran. The problem we've got, I mean,
[11:25] Speaker 4: this is a you know, a little bit literally, you know,
[11:28] Speaker 4: hold your hat down, because it may well be that
[11:30] Speaker 4: Andy Burnham the replacement, he could be worse, Paul.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think again, there might be
[11:36] Speaker 2: some short term political win in the handout world, but
[11:39] Speaker 2: there's always there's always some pain that comes, and that
[11:42] Speaker 2: pain becomes obvious within that next three years of lor wait,
[11:45] Speaker 2: watch and see. I know you're required at home base
[11:47] Speaker 2: talk to TV, so I'll let you go. But thank
[11:49] Speaker 2: you so much for helping us out tonight, mate, Thank you, Paul.
[11:52] Speaker 2: How good is he? Mark Dolland there in the United Kingdom?
[11:54] Speaker 2: Back here in Australia. Well, Dialey is a political hero
[11:59] Speaker 2: to me, firstly because she stopped Christina Kaneely making her
[12:02] Speaker 2: way into the Federal Parliament and being able to, like
[12:05] Speaker 2: many key labor figures, fail her way up to becoming
[12:08] Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Governor General and then eventually Pope. But I
[12:11] Speaker 2: also like that this is a person who breaks so
[12:15] Speaker 2: many barriers and stereotypes. You see, she could be an
[12:20] Speaker 2: absolute favorite of the left. By wrapping herself in her
[12:24] Speaker 2: story as being a refugee, it's part of her story,
[12:27] Speaker 2: but she wears that. She literally wears the Australian flag
[12:31] Speaker 2: with pride. She's a person who comes through local government
[12:34] Speaker 2: and rather than using it as just a stepping stone
[12:36] Speaker 2: to party success, she was able to go out on
[12:39] Speaker 2: her own and to defeat the machine of the Labor Party.
[12:43] Speaker 2: Since she has been elected and importantly re elected in
[12:47] Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, she has been absolutely fearless in using
[12:52] Speaker 2: what little time an independent has in the Parliament to
[12:55] Speaker 2: stand up and ask the questions that we need asked
[12:59] Speaker 2: in a polight fashion, but still always a hammer blow.
[13:03] Speaker 2: She was there on fuel tax, she has been there
[13:06] Speaker 2: multiple times on cost of living, and today she decided
[13:10] Speaker 2: to stand up and ask a question that the Prime
[13:12] Speaker 2: Minister hated. Now, as you know, this Prime Minister has
[13:15] Speaker 2: a glass jaw. Well, that glass jaw has got one
[13:17] Speaker 2: heck of a crack in it tonight and it comes
[13:20] Speaker 2: from a lady from Cabra Matta.
[13:22] Speaker 5: Prime Minister.
[13:23] Speaker 6: The capital gains tax and negative gearing changes announced in
[13:26] Speaker 6: a May budget were significant and market sensitive measures so
[13:30] Speaker 6: significant your government has will already walk past of them
[13:34] Speaker 6: back in recent days. Can the Prime Minister give the
[13:37] Speaker 6: House a strong assurance that no government MP or their
[13:40] Speaker 6: close relations use prior knowledge of those changes for private
[13:44] Speaker 6: financial benefits before they're are made public.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Now this is a big whack, no question, no question,
[13:52] Speaker 2: But let's be clear, we will all find out together
[13:55] Speaker 2: when the inevitable registers are made about whether anyone in
[14:00] Speaker 2: say the couple of weeks before or maybe even the
[14:02] Speaker 2: month before the budget inside the federal government jumped in
[14:05] Speaker 2: and bought a house. Now then there will be a
[14:08] Speaker 2: process about who knew what and when? And again, can
[14:10] Speaker 2: I be very clear? Because the people who would love
[14:13] Speaker 2: to take nothing other than a legal swing at this
[14:16] Speaker 2: chin not quite made of glass but still not bulletproof.
[14:20] Speaker 2: I'm making no suggestion under any circumstances of any impropriety.
[14:24] Speaker 2: I can't ask that question publicly because of that potential
[14:29] Speaker 2: of a legal situation. But a politician can inside the
[14:34] Speaker 2: parliament because there is no legal consequences to a question
[14:37] Speaker 2: that is asked inside the parliament. It's parliamentary privilege. Watch
[14:41] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister now again, he can stand up and
[14:43] Speaker 2: simply say no, of course not, that's ridiculous. I find
[14:45] Speaker 2: that question particularly offensive. He sort of does that, but
[14:48] Speaker 2: then he goes too far, don't you think so?
[14:51] Speaker 7: Meant for fowl laf, she's got a suggestion or an
[14:54] Speaker 7: allegation about anyone in the chambers, she should actually say
[14:58] Speaker 7: it what it is, preferably say it outside or yeah,
[15:04] Speaker 7: this isn't a Council. This is a serious parliament where
[15:08] Speaker 7: we're very careful as always occurs, as always occurs, and
[15:12] Speaker 7: I'm sure has always occurred for as long as I've
[15:16] Speaker 7: been here across the board, whoever has been the Treasurer
[15:21] Speaker 7: and been gone through our erc processes. That is something
[15:25] Speaker 7: that we have in this country that we should cherish
[15:28] Speaker 7: and we should honor not denigrate to try to score
[15:33] Speaker 7: a cheap point.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Now again, I don't know what fueled the question. There
[15:37] Speaker 2: is no public evidence about that particular question. Again, the
[15:42] Speaker 2: declarations that will appear or not will not appear, will
[15:46] Speaker 2: help answer that question. But the Prime Minister again with
[15:49] Speaker 2: this sort of well, this isn't a local council, your
[15:51] Speaker 2: local council. So beneath right, and he's got plenty of
[15:54] Speaker 2: people sitting behind him who one of the reasons they
[15:56] Speaker 2: became INPs was because of their profile in local government.
[16:00] Speaker 2: One of the reasons die Lee was able to take
[16:02] Speaker 2: the position that she has is because she has been
[16:04] Speaker 2: the Deputy mayor of the relevant counsel. Now again, if
[16:11] Speaker 2: there is any more serious here, it gets raised in Parliament,
[16:14] Speaker 2: or of course there is institutions of which such things
[16:18] Speaker 2: can be written to. Now we wanted to talk to
[16:20] Speaker 2: die League tonight instead. A statement is what has been
[16:23] Speaker 2: provided to us here about the question and the Prime
[16:26] Speaker 2: Minister's response. Here it is I asked the simple question
[16:30] Speaker 2: about transparency and trust. I wanted the Prime Minister to
[16:32] Speaker 2: assure the Australian public that these significant changes to our
[16:36] Speaker 2: CGT and negative gearing which caused disruption to the markets
[16:39] Speaker 2: were done with safeguards and no one in government acted
[16:42] Speaker 2: on it to benefit themselves or those connected to them
[16:47] Speaker 2: prior to the budget. The PM did not give a
[16:50] Speaker 2: strong answer to that, the fact that he could not
[16:53] Speaker 2: provide the reassurance as a matter of concern. Now he
[16:56] Speaker 2: would of course argue that he did, particularly that last part,
[16:59] Speaker 2: which is why we that in context, it was disappointing that,
[17:03] Speaker 2: rather than directly addressing these who, he chooses to take
[17:05] Speaker 2: a swipe at local councils and counselors to divert from
[17:08] Speaker 2: the importance of his role to answer a simple question. Well, again,
[17:14] Speaker 2: welcome to the world of Albow's House of secrets. Now,
[17:17] Speaker 2: not because I believe there is a secret that is
[17:20] Speaker 2: being discussed here, but this is supposedly the most transparent
[17:22] Speaker 2: person ever. Again, the answer is very simple. I find
[17:25] Speaker 2: a question offensive, but let me be very clear, absolutely
[17:27] Speaker 2: not no question, nothing about it. But we'll all wait,
[17:32] Speaker 2: watch and see. Question Time is always worth checking out
[17:34] Speaker 2: here on Sky News, particularly tomorrow afternoon. Now meantime, the
[17:39] Speaker 2: budget still hurts the government. It will in the next
[17:43] Speaker 2: couple of weeks eventually make its way through the Upper
[17:45] Speaker 2: House cause the Greens will back in the deal. But
[17:49] Speaker 2: you know, I know, and even the media that would
[17:53] Speaker 2: normally not say it know how unpopular this stinker is.
[17:58] Speaker 8: Good evening voters have hit and the Albanisi with a sledgehammer.
[18:01] Speaker 8: His budget now the most unpopular since Paul Keating was
[18:05] Speaker 8: Prime Minister more than thirty years ago, and both broke
[18:09] Speaker 8: election promises.
[18:11] Speaker 2: But of course to point this out at all means
[18:13] Speaker 2: that somehow any critic of the budget was part of
[18:15] Speaker 2: a right wing conspiracy.
[18:17] Speaker 9: I think there are a campaigns being run from the
[18:22] Speaker 9: right wing parties and their allies to distort some of
[18:27] Speaker 9: what's being offered.
[18:29] Speaker 2: If you get asked about it on sixty minutes, you
[18:31] Speaker 2: pretend that people are just making it up.
[18:34] Speaker 1: You need to be careful where you get your news from.
[18:37] Speaker 2: Or you just pretend that female founders have not at
[18:40] Speaker 2: all had a problem with this budget, despite the fact
[18:42] Speaker 2: that we know they have, and you pretend everyone is
[18:44] Speaker 2: sexist who has a problem with this budget?
[18:47] Speaker 10: Does anyone else find it weird that a whole bunch
[18:50] Speaker 10: of internet finance bros are suddenly concerned about renters?
[18:54] Speaker 4: So when you see a video.
[18:55] Speaker 10: From a finance bro defending these tax concessions, it's worth
[18:58] Speaker 10: thinking about what they.
[18:59] Speaker 4: Do and to gain.
[19:01] Speaker 2: Now, the Prime Minister has done everything he possibly can
[19:03] Speaker 2: to try to change the subject, including this absolutely effervescent
[19:08] Speaker 2: foto that he posted for the first match of the
[19:10] Speaker 2: soccer Ruse. Yet what's been happening with the opinion polls?
[19:13] Speaker 2: I just love this song and it's always stuck in
[19:15] Speaker 2: my head. And I know that, as I suggested last
[19:25] Speaker 2: night with Kristin Abram, the Independent candidate running in the
[19:28] Speaker 2: Victorian election in the seat of Frankston, that that big
[19:30] Speaker 2: red hand with the prices of down thing, and I
[19:33] Speaker 2: know how that promotion was weird. I mean, you could
[19:37] Speaker 2: obviously redesign it, couldn't you where you just move a
[19:39] Speaker 2: finger one over, But that of course would be offensive,
[19:42] Speaker 2: wouldn't it. But the reason for all of this is
[19:48] Speaker 2: to show you that the popularity of the budget has
[19:50] Speaker 2: gone backwards since the opinion polls that said that it
[19:54] Speaker 2: was the least popular since the early nineteen nineties. The
[19:58] Speaker 2: result political monitor to try and ask the question to
[20:01] Speaker 2: see whether somehow what had started as negativity had been
[20:04] Speaker 2: magically turned around. No, it hasn't. In fact, the number
[20:08] Speaker 2: of those that are opposing the negative gearing changes has
[20:10] Speaker 2: gone from twenty one to twenty six percent. The number
[20:13] Speaker 2: of people who support the negative gearing change has gone
[20:15] Speaker 2: from thirty five down to thirty three. The CGT changes
[20:20] Speaker 2: has gone from a twenty one percent opposition to thirty
[20:23] Speaker 2: one percent or position now the support's gone from thirty
[20:25] Speaker 2: six percent to thirty one and in family trusts again,
[20:29] Speaker 2: apparently no one cares about this. But guess what, twenty
[20:33] Speaker 2: three percent of people hated it a month ago, thirty
[20:36] Speaker 2: four percent of people hate it now thirty four percent
[20:38] Speaker 2: of people supported a month ago twenty nine percent. He's
[20:42] Speaker 2: why the down down, the opinion polls are down matters.
[20:48] Speaker 2: So again we've seen the stress that is starting to
[20:50] Speaker 2: be shown here where anyone who disagrees, well, it's sexism
[20:53] Speaker 2: that didn't work, racism. They haven't thrown that one, but
[20:57] Speaker 2: they try misinformation, right wing conspiracy, all of those civil bullets.
[21:02] Speaker 2: They haven't even left a hole in the wall. Things
[21:04] Speaker 2: have got worse for the government. Six out of ten
[21:06] Speaker 2: people disapprove of the Prime Minister, much higher than that
[21:09] Speaker 2: in the working class. But you know they'll just end
[21:11] Speaker 2: up voting labor anyway. Right, maybe not. But the great
[21:16] Speaker 2: political genius of Jim Chalmers, well we learned today. Ya,
[21:19] Speaker 2: my colleagues at skynews dot com, that are you that
[21:21] Speaker 2: one of the little tactics that he is apparently putting
[21:23] Speaker 2: in place is to freeze anyone who is calling him
[21:27] Speaker 2: out out of having access. Now I won't bore you
[21:32] Speaker 2: too much with this, but as you know, if your
[21:33] Speaker 2: job is to say, hey, I talk about politics all
[21:35] Speaker 2: the time, then theoretically you need to be able to
[21:37] Speaker 2: talk to the people that are in politics publicly or
[21:39] Speaker 2: people think what's going on here? So generally speaking, people
[21:44] Speaker 2: don't want to upset the apple cart. They don't want
[21:45] Speaker 2: to get cut off from the interviews, so they either
[21:48] Speaker 2: play nice or they pull their punches. I don't neither does.
[21:52] Speaker 2: Ross Green would our business editor here at sky News,
[21:54] Speaker 2: and he decided to take this public today in a
[21:57] Speaker 2: conversation that was there this afternoon, probably.
[22:02] Speaker 11: About four years ago when they first came to government. Ross,
[22:04] Speaker 11: I mean, I've probably been a regular constructive critic of
[22:08] Speaker 11: the government's economic policy. If I'm being completely frank with you, look,
[22:12] Speaker 11: I want them to succeed as a successful economic government,
[22:16] Speaker 11: like Howard and Costello, like Cork and Keating. I'd really
[22:20] Speaker 11: love to be barracking for the stuff they're doing, to
[22:22] Speaker 11: be completely frank with you, and if they were doing
[22:25] Speaker 11: more good stuff, I'd be giving them a big, big
[22:28] Speaker 11: pat on the back.
[22:29] Speaker 2: John works for the Australian Financial Review, you know the
[22:32] Speaker 2: press that talk about the economy specifically. Yet, because unless
[22:36] Speaker 2: you're on board, unless you believe modern monetary theory where
[22:39] Speaker 2: you can rack up the credit card bill, who cares.
[22:41] Speaker 2: Nobody will ever call it in deficits. That's a yesterday's thing.
[22:46] Speaker 2: People wanting houses to go up in value because it's
[22:48] Speaker 2: the biggest asset that they own, not because they want
[22:51] Speaker 2: to deny kids know all of this bad terrible old
[22:53] Speaker 2: school nineties thinking, Well, today the opposition, both in Leader
[22:59] Speaker 2: and Shadow Treasurer, well, they continue to whack away at
[23:01] Speaker 2: the budget. That gets more unpopular the more people learn
[23:06] Speaker 2: about it.
[23:07] Speaker 1: This budget has been a flop.
[23:10] Speaker 12: We should want people to be able to make a
[23:12] Speaker 12: profit out of housing so that people invest in it
[23:14] Speaker 12: and build new housing. Instead, the government has made it
[23:17] Speaker 12: less likely to do so. That means we'll get less
[23:20] Speaker 12: housing In the long term. That means the price of
[23:23] Speaker 12: housing will go up, particularly as they continue to overshoot
[23:26] Speaker 12: migration targets, and will make it harder for young Australians
[23:29] Speaker 12: to get ahead.
[23:32] Speaker 2: Now, every now and then, the bubble that needs to
[23:35] Speaker 2: be burst is the ego of the mainstream media. Why
[23:38] Speaker 2: because again they believe, well, I've seen seven prime ministers
[23:40] Speaker 2: come and go, Therefore I am more important than any
[23:43] Speaker 2: person who passes the precipice of becoming the Prime minister
[23:46] Speaker 2: of the country. Right and generally speaking, prime ministers when
[23:49] Speaker 2: they're up, they think they've got the media in their
[23:51] Speaker 2: back pocket. And largely even when this prime minister is down,
[23:53] Speaker 2: there is huge sections of the media that he has
[23:55] Speaker 2: in their back pocket. And they do not like one
[23:58] Speaker 2: nation growing to the position that they currently are, and
[24:01] Speaker 2: we will be.
[24:02] Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson will deliver the biggest speech of her career
[24:04] Speaker 13: today at the National Press Club.
[24:06] Speaker 10: It's shaping up to be an address like no other.
[24:09] Speaker 13: And it's a big day for One Nation with the
[24:11] Speaker 13: Pauline Hanson delivering her in oral address to the.
[24:14] Speaker 1: National Press Club.
[24:15] Speaker 14: Today's a poignant moment for the One Nation leader as
[24:17] Speaker 14: she prepares to take the stage.
[24:19] Speaker 2: And they were ratcheting up all though the stakes.
[24:22] Speaker 15: This was me. She was giving a speech at the
[24:24] Speaker 15: National Press Club, the only place that matters, where the
[24:29] Speaker 15: people represented by the journalists, come face to face with power.
[24:35] Speaker 2: And we were told in various ways speech didn't go well,
[24:39] Speaker 2: some parts were going to be a problem. Well guess
[24:41] Speaker 2: what a little reminded of the media. You're not in charge.
[24:45] Speaker 2: The people are an opinion pole. It was taken after
[24:48] Speaker 2: the speech when all of the agro was in the
[24:50] Speaker 2: air well. It shows One Nation up. According to Roy Morgan,
[24:55] Speaker 2: they have published this evening. One Nation is now at
[24:57] Speaker 2: thirty one and a half percent priory.
[24:59] Speaker 5: That's up to.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Labour at twenty seven down one coalition basically the same
[25:04] Speaker 2: the Greens at thirteen and a half. That's down ever
[25:07] Speaker 2: so slightly. Also ever so slightly down was the Independence
[25:11] Speaker 2: and other But you want to have a look at
[25:13] Speaker 2: a comparison, let's have a look at this the comparison
[25:17] Speaker 2: of since the budget since May, one nation is up
[25:20] Speaker 2: six points now again, because we show you one point here,
[25:24] Speaker 2: one point there, every now and then, you need to
[25:25] Speaker 2: be reminded that the last election it was six percent.
[25:28] Speaker 2: A month ago, it was in the twenties. Now at
[25:32] Speaker 2: thirty one percent. Where's it coming from. It's coming from
[25:34] Speaker 2: the coalition now. I'm surprised that this keeps happening only
[25:38] Speaker 2: because the coalition has, according to again all the opinion polls,
[25:42] Speaker 2: more popular economic policies like tying immigration to housing supply,
[25:47] Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, defeating bracket creep. But they clearly
[25:52] Speaker 2: are not winning the message wall right now. But that
[25:54] Speaker 2: has been the big movement in Australian politics. And while
[25:56] Speaker 2: Labor has been hurt by the budget, and it needs
[25:59] Speaker 2: a primary vote the three in front of it, not
[26:01] Speaker 2: a two in front of it to be able to
[26:02] Speaker 2: hold onto majority government, there's big changes that are happening.
[26:07] Speaker 2: Another opinion outfit called Demos or demoses sometimes people refer
[26:11] Speaker 2: to it as AU put out this one today they
[26:14] Speaker 2: say one Nation still in front and the Liberal National
[26:17] Speaker 2: Party basically where many other opinion places like Morgan have
[26:21] Speaker 2: got them about seventeen eighteen percent, and they have done
[26:24] Speaker 2: a survey across twenty thousand people across the country to
[26:27] Speaker 2: try to work out if an election was held today,
[26:30] Speaker 2: who has the most or least number of seats. Now,
[26:33] Speaker 2: let me show you this and then I will walk
[26:35] Speaker 2: you through it. A month ago, labor between sixty five
[26:41] Speaker 2: and seventy four seats, they would clearly best case scenario
[26:45] Speaker 2: be a minority government. Apparently things have got slightly better
[26:47] Speaker 2: for them because of in part the problems with the
[26:50] Speaker 2: coalition and the coalition vote that will not preference about
[26:52] Speaker 2: a third of it one nation, So now they could
[26:54] Speaker 2: be getting anywhere between seventy one, which means they need
[26:57] Speaker 2: the crossbench, but the Teels and Greens will help them
[27:00] Speaker 2: eighty one seats, which is of course a comfortable majority
[27:02] Speaker 2: when you're on in need seventy six one nation a
[27:05] Speaker 2: month ago forty seven to fifty eight now fifty four
[27:07] Speaker 2: to sixty three seats, the Coalition from sixteen to twenty
[27:12] Speaker 2: eight down now to four to eleven seats now, the
[27:16] Speaker 2: Greens from one to five now no seats are as
[27:19] Speaker 2: many as four as four the others and this of
[27:22] Speaker 2: course could be the Teal Party, which is apparently due
[27:25] Speaker 2: to be announced as early as tomorrow, goes from two
[27:28] Speaker 2: to six seats, all the way from four to eight seats,
[27:32] Speaker 2: all of it fascinating to watch. You're in the inside
[27:35] Speaker 2: of it again, like dislike the data, yell at me
[27:38] Speaker 2: for highlighting it or not highlighting it. But that is
[27:40] Speaker 2: the reality of what is happening right now in and
[27:43] Speaker 2: around all of the data. Now, is there a chance
[27:46] Speaker 2: that the collective political media, and this is where I
[27:49] Speaker 2: will include myself, become a little two pole focused this pole,
[27:52] Speaker 2: this pole, this pol, this pol, this pole, this pot. Remember,
[27:54] Speaker 2: of course, all of that was a problem the twenty
[27:56] Speaker 2: nineteen election. Sure, sure, but there are lots of people
[27:59] Speaker 2: that I took to who do these polls behind, and
[28:02] Speaker 2: I trust largely many and much of their methodology. Is
[28:06] Speaker 2: an election coming tomorrow? No, Do I think the majority
[28:09] Speaker 2: of the country, at least six out of ten, have
[28:11] Speaker 2: a problem with the prime minister? Yes? I do. Has
[28:14] Speaker 2: there been an obvious movement from the coalition to one nation? Yes? Absolutely,
[28:18] Speaker 2: is one nation in the position where they can form
[28:20] Speaker 2: a government. Yet no, obviously not, but we all watch,
[28:25] Speaker 2: we all see together As for what Paul Enhancement was
[28:28] Speaker 2: doing today. She was back in the Senate giving a speech,
[28:32] Speaker 2: among other things, about migration.
[28:36] Speaker 14: Minister. Last financial year, your labor government issued more than
[28:40] Speaker 14: three hundred and fifty thousand new permanent resident visus and citizenships.
[28:44] Speaker 14: This is the equivalent of adding nearly one and a
[28:47] Speaker 14: half times the entire population of Hobart in.
[28:51] Speaker 13: Just one year, Sir.
[28:52] Speaker 14: Australia has been suffering under mass migration.
[28:55] Speaker 13: Minister.
[28:55] Speaker 14: Your government says you are cutting the immigration, yet you've
[28:58] Speaker 14: flooded the country with over two two million arrivals since
[29:01] Speaker 14: coming to government. The damage has been done. Your forty
[29:04] Speaker 14: five percent cut is too little, too late. Why are
[29:07] Speaker 14: you using mass migration to paper I over your abysmal
[29:10] Speaker 14: economic management, disregarding the call from millions of the strands
[29:14] Speaker 14: to stop it due to their standard of living being destroyed.
[29:19] Speaker 2: Fair point right, quick breakback with more tonight, No sooks,
[29:21] Speaker 2: no lefties looking forward to that in a moment or
[29:23] Speaker 2: two's time. The Nationals leader Matt Canavan talks about this
[29:26] Speaker 2: in a whole lot more, including a strange opinion poll
[29:29] Speaker 2: that claims the majority of Australians want the value of
[29:32] Speaker 2: their own home to go down I'm not sure I'm
[29:35] Speaker 2: going to bet my house on that. More in a
[29:38] Speaker 2: sec here on Pulmrie Live, No Sooks, no Lefties just
[29:40] Speaker 2: sends an averageber price as well. We're just getting started.
[29:43] Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging out with us on a Monday. What
[29:54] Speaker 2: I tell you no Sooks, no left is I cannot
[29:56] Speaker 2: believe that Michelle Stevenson, who have known for a very
[29:58] Speaker 2: long time, listened to her on the radio so often,
[30:00] Speaker 2: see are so much of unscorone his first time in
[30:02] Speaker 2: the mancud.
[30:03] Speaker 10: I know, can I say that you're popping my cherry?
[30:05] Speaker 2: Sure welcome, Let's make it as pleasant as possible. Matt Canavan,
[30:09] Speaker 2: of course, later of the Nationals well and truly experienced
[30:12] Speaker 2: here are not appearing on this and many other programs.
[30:15] Speaker 2: Love to see you. So opinion poll resolve the same
[30:18] Speaker 2: people who did stuff about the budget and showing that
[30:20] Speaker 2: it's become less popular. So I trust that pole, but
[30:24] Speaker 2: I don't quite trust the other pole that they're put
[30:26] Speaker 2: out tonight, which suggests the majority of Australians in all
[30:29] Speaker 2: various versions of Australians want the value of the house
[30:32] Speaker 2: to go down or okay, if the value of the
[30:34] Speaker 2: house goes down, Matt, I don't believe this pole. What
[30:38] Speaker 2: do you think?
[30:40] Speaker 16: Well, I'm not sure that's exactly what the question asked Paul. Look,
[30:45] Speaker 16: maybe if I can just have a moment at nine
[30:48] Speaker 16: point thirty pm to explain the difference between an average
[30:52] Speaker 16: and a distribution. I mean that what we see, what
[30:56] Speaker 16: you see in report and the press, is the average
[30:58] Speaker 16: price of a house soul say in Sydney. I think
[31:02] Speaker 16: what we'd all like to see is more housing available
[31:05] Speaker 16: at the lower end of the distribution, more new homes,
[31:08] Speaker 16: more more homes affordable for Australian's free up supply.
[31:12] Speaker 1: That's what we want to do.
[31:12] Speaker 16: Cut red tape, encourage councils to open up new land,
[31:16] Speaker 16: help pay for the cost of that.
[31:18] Speaker 1: We've got to five billion fund to do that.
[31:19] Speaker 16: If we do that, if we're successful, this goverment hasn't
[31:22] Speaker 16: been the number of houses built this country hasn't changed
[31:24] Speaker 16: while they've been in power.
[31:26] Speaker 1: But if we do that, that will lower the average.
[31:28] Speaker 16: Price because more houses will be sold at the lower
[31:31] Speaker 16: end of the distribution. But it doesn't mean that house
[31:33] Speaker 16: prices crash in the in the scarcer areas of the
[31:38] Speaker 16: city or the areas where the harvestized views and those
[31:40] Speaker 16: sort of things. We want to see a strong economy
[31:42] Speaker 16: that lifts all boats as well. And the problem with
[31:44] Speaker 16: this government is they seem to have come up with
[31:46] Speaker 16: the only solution they've got rather than cutting migration, cutting
[31:49] Speaker 16: red tape, is to destroy the economy.
[31:52] Speaker 1: That will lower house prices too.
[31:54] Speaker 16: If you destroy economic confidence, put massive taxes that no
[31:57] Speaker 16: one asked for, that you didn't take an election into
[31:59] Speaker 16: the market, well, that will lower house prices. It will
[32:01] Speaker 16: just make everyone poorer, including first home bias.
[32:05] Speaker 2: Well, and again pushing towards dependents right that. I think
[32:08] Speaker 2: that is the central design of this government, this type
[32:10] Speaker 2: of labor party. Is that not about a welfare state,
[32:13] Speaker 2: but about making sure that you are eventually solely dependent
[32:16] Speaker 2: on the government and you don't own an awful lot. Michelle,
[32:19] Speaker 2: of course you represent one of those areas with the
[32:21] Speaker 2: lovely views. I'm not imagining anything in the Waverly Council
[32:24] Speaker 2: has gone down by twenty percent. No, do you think
[32:26] Speaker 2: there might be a little something something in this pot.
[32:28] Speaker 10: Look, I just think there's a whole bunch of parents
[32:30] Speaker 10: out there who have twenty year olds living at home
[32:32] Speaker 10: and they're like, we need to get them out?
[32:34] Speaker 13: How do we get them out?
[32:35] Speaker 10: I think this is exactly where this is coming from.
[32:38] Speaker 10: They're just like, we will take a dip in our
[32:40] Speaker 10: housing prices if our twenty five year old will leave
[32:42] Speaker 10: the house. I think that's what's coming in lad and Claar.
[32:45] Speaker 10: But again, Matt is right, like this government has done
[32:48] Speaker 10: little to boost housing supply. Where are these houses that
[32:52] Speaker 10: they've promised. We are not seeing any of them and
[32:54] Speaker 10: we need them.
[32:55] Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, our financial plan, I think is I do
[32:57] Speaker 2: this for the rest of my life. But eventually we
[32:59] Speaker 2: move to Hockey. I'll get a big plot of land
[33:01] Speaker 2: not too far from you. There, Maut. We can be neighbors,
[33:03] Speaker 2: and I have a family compound opposite yours, and we'll
[33:06] Speaker 2: meet in the street and have a chat every now
[33:07] Speaker 2: and then. All right, now, not every now and then.
[33:09] Speaker 2: You can come over anytime you want.
[33:11] Speaker 16: Now, if you cut out the bits of this show
[33:13] Speaker 16: where you fantasize about moving to Queen's stand, there's not much.
[33:17] Speaker 5: It's needless.
[33:18] Speaker 2: And rather than welcoming me, you can't call me out
[33:21] Speaker 2: every time. Here I am where you live. All right, now,
[33:26] Speaker 2: let's talk about tomorrow. As early as tomorrow, there's a
[33:30] Speaker 2: chance that Zali Stegel will step forward and start to
[33:32] Speaker 2: suggest more formally, Hey, here's the Teal Party. You know
[33:35] Speaker 2: how we're all independence, Let's not be independent anymore. What
[33:38] Speaker 2: I am fascinated about here is if that any of
[33:40] Speaker 2: the existing independence join her, who's going to be the leader?
[33:44] Speaker 2: Who's going to be the leader? I can't wait to
[33:46] Speaker 2: see now, Michelle. Obviously, the argument here is one that
[33:49] Speaker 2: I'll make turnbles pushed around for a while, the Sensible Center.
[33:53] Speaker 2: Why isn't the Sensible Center having its own political party?
[33:57] Speaker 2: And that's what Bali want.
[33:58] Speaker 10: Oh that's what Zali ones look mask slipping here. We
[34:01] Speaker 10: all know that they're already a party. They're just really
[34:03] Speaker 10: like coming out to the fall. But at the end
[34:05] Speaker 10: of the day, if they do become a party, what's
[34:07] Speaker 10: going to happen Because they literally ran on the prospect
[34:10] Speaker 10: that they are independent, even though we know they're not independence.
[34:13] Speaker 10: And let's be clear, this is all about money, because
[34:15] Speaker 10: the electoral reforms have come into play and all of
[34:18] Speaker 10: a sudden they need to get their money back. They
[34:21] Speaker 10: need to make sure that they can get that financial backing,
[34:23] Speaker 10: and when that falls, they're going to fall with it.
[34:26] Speaker 10: But this is just rich white women problems if I'm
[34:28] Speaker 10: really honest, because that's the vote they're going after it,
[34:31] Speaker 10: and that's the vote they want to continue. But very
[34:33] Speaker 10: interesting how it's going to fracture. I think the tial's here,
[34:37] Speaker 10: so it's going to be interesting to see who's into
[34:39] Speaker 10: it and who's not into it.
[34:40] Speaker 2: Well again, let's imagine as we've I think Manique Ryan's
[34:43] Speaker 2: come out and said no, she's not going to be
[34:44] Speaker 2: part of it. So who knows whether there might be
[34:46] Speaker 2: something that stretches up and down the northern beaches of Sydney,
[34:49] Speaker 2: whether it goes over to the eastern suburbs and not.
[34:51] Speaker 2: We'll all work it out together. But Matt again, the
[34:54] Speaker 2: party room conversation or partty room of two, three or
[34:57] Speaker 2: four will be fascinating to watch. But also it's going
[35:00] Speaker 2: to be a scenario where Climate two hundred, right, does
[35:02] Speaker 2: Climate two hundred continue to be the single biggest donor
[35:05] Speaker 2: to a teal political party or do they keep their
[35:10] Speaker 2: hands clean of all of this when supposedly they said
[35:13] Speaker 2: that they never wanted anything like this.
[35:18] Speaker 16: Well, I wouldn't be putting any even northern Beaches homes
[35:21] Speaker 16: on the fact that they won't take money from Climbate
[35:23] Speaker 16: two hundred ball. I think the Teal movement will continue
[35:26] Speaker 16: to take money from Climbate two hundred.
[35:27] Speaker 1: That is their lifeblood. That's the whole reason they're in
[35:30] Speaker 1: the parliament.
[35:31] Speaker 16: And they constantly seen to just align with the political
[35:34] Speaker 16: perspectives of their backers while accusing everybody else of having
[35:39] Speaker 16: ulterior motives.
[35:41] Speaker 1: Look, I agree with Michelle. Just get it over with guys.
[35:43] Speaker 1: Get yourself a room. You get a full party room.
[35:45] Speaker 16: Maybe don't spend as much as green that party room
[35:48] Speaker 16: as the Greens have. They spent two million or millions
[35:51] Speaker 16: of dollars on a party room. But get yourself a
[35:53] Speaker 16: room here in the parliament there, you know, Paul, Actually
[35:55] Speaker 16: they're kind of already doing this.
[35:57] Speaker 1: They meet every week, yeah, correct for them, a bit secret.
[36:00] Speaker 16: Some minutes got leaked a few months ago, but they
[36:03] Speaker 16: actually meet every week. They discuss combined positions. It seems
[36:06] Speaker 16: to me the only reason I haven't falled a party
[36:08] Speaker 16: yet is make this leadership ballot.
[36:10] Speaker 1: This You ain't seen.
[36:11] Speaker 16: Nothing yet from me to talk about leadership, But I
[36:17] Speaker 16: I get it.
[36:18] Speaker 1: It's going to be one for the ages.
[36:19] Speaker 2: I reckon it'll be amazing, all right. It will be
[36:21] Speaker 2: done in the Q and a audience. You know they
[36:23] Speaker 2: can pick each and every time. Now, guys, I want
[36:26] Speaker 2: to take a second to talk about gambling. Now. Look,
[36:29] Speaker 2: I have never hidden, never hit in my life that
[36:31] Speaker 2: I don't mind a slap. But I'm lucky enough, good
[36:34] Speaker 2: job all the rest of it that even the worst
[36:36] Speaker 2: of days, when you know you've gone crazy at seagulls,
[36:40] Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt my world. But we know there are
[36:42] Speaker 2: plenty of people whose world it does hurt. Now, we
[36:45] Speaker 2: also know that a lot of the big companies behind
[36:48] Speaker 2: all of this and all of the things that are
[36:51] Speaker 2: held together by gambling revenue. That also really matters. And
[36:55] Speaker 2: I don't want to ban that tomorrow, but Michelle, I'm
[36:58] Speaker 2: interested in that whether this is one of those third
[37:01] Speaker 2: rail issues that people assume you can't take it on,
[37:03] Speaker 2: you can't take it up, but clearly the joint has
[37:06] Speaker 2: got a problem. Do you reckon? Anyone would appreciate somebody
[37:10] Speaker 2: with a national role saying, hey, not banning at all,
[37:13] Speaker 2: We're not going back to the prohibition days, but maybe,
[37:17] Speaker 2: just maybe we've got to find a way to pump
[37:19] Speaker 2: the brakes.
[37:19] Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent. I just think this can has
[37:21] Speaker 10: continuously been kicked down the road and someone else will
[37:24] Speaker 10: handle it. But we know that this is a problem.
[37:26] Speaker 10: We know that families, lives are being destroyed by this.
[37:29] Speaker 10: Homelessness is on the rise because of it.
[37:31] Speaker 17: We know that, you know, the.
[37:33] Speaker 10: Family violence has also risen because of it. And the
[37:36] Speaker 10: fact that the government, the federal government, has been holding
[37:39] Speaker 10: They know that they have something to do. They've been
[37:41] Speaker 10: told over and over again, here are some of the
[37:43] Speaker 10: leavers that you can pull to kind of address this,
[37:46] Speaker 10: but they haven't done any of it. And I think
[37:48] Speaker 10: that there's a real missed opportunity here. And I think
[37:50] Speaker 10: this government is weak. Not only are they weak economically,
[37:53] Speaker 10: but they're weak when it comes to stuff that really matters.
[37:55] Speaker 10: And this is what really matters. It tears at the
[37:58] Speaker 10: fabric of everyday Australians, the fact that they're not even
[38:01] Speaker 10: tackling some of these issues, which are not that difficult, no,
[38:04] Speaker 10: not that difficult.
[38:05] Speaker 2: But also, I mean I've always talked about this, right
[38:07] Speaker 2: when it comes to lead paint, Matt, we didn't find
[38:10] Speaker 2: a way to tax it, we didn't find a way
[38:12] Speaker 2: to harm minimize it. It just got done finished. Right now, Obviously,
[38:18] Speaker 2: no one's And I'm not suggesting a ban on gambling, right,
[38:21] Speaker 2: I'm not getting on nanny state here, But you know,
[38:23] Speaker 2: and I know that it is a relentless problem with
[38:26] Speaker 2: relentless evidence that somehow is considered too hard. Now again,
[38:31] Speaker 2: I think there is somewhere between let them do whatever
[38:34] Speaker 2: they want to do because that's what people are always
[38:36] Speaker 2: going to want to do, and pull the pin on
[38:38] Speaker 2: it all. Do you think this is a conversation the
[38:41] Speaker 2: country can handle or is it like booze, don't talk
[38:43] Speaker 2: about it. It's just the way it is and move
[38:45] Speaker 2: on to the next thing.
[38:48] Speaker 16: Look, it's a scourge in our society, there's no doubt
[38:50] Speaker 16: about that. I was loving Michelle's contributions first time i've
[38:54] Speaker 16: been on with h Michelle. But I'm not quite in
[38:56] Speaker 16: agreeing that this is somehow a simple issue to solve.
[38:58] Speaker 16: I mean, I think a middle problem here, Paul, is
[39:01] Speaker 16: that the online gambling genie is out of the bottle.
[39:06] Speaker 16: I mean, whatever laws we pass in this place, the
[39:09] Speaker 16: gambling is now so pre eminent and available through prediction
[39:14] Speaker 16: markets online gaming sites, there's just no law that's going
[39:19] Speaker 16: to completely remove it from society. I think I've just
[39:23] Speaker 16: had this view for a while now that the constant
[39:25] Speaker 16: refrain of coming to government to solve every problem doesn't work.
[39:29] Speaker 1: We just cannot do that now.
[39:31] Speaker 16: In saying that, of course we can take sensible steps
[39:34] Speaker 16: to seek to prevent young children being exposed to gambling advertising.
[39:39] Speaker 16: That should make sure we do that online like on YouTube,
[39:41] Speaker 16: not just on the on the broadcasters, but the idea
[39:46] Speaker 16: it's not going to completely remove the problem. We should
[39:48] Speaker 16: crack down on foreign gambling sites as much.
[39:49] Speaker 1: As we can. Again, let's just let's just keep real here.
[39:53] Speaker 16: We've got to find solutions that can can be spread
[39:59] Speaker 16: through our community, not just come from top down.
[40:01] Speaker 2: I'm with you, Matt Michelle. That was lovely. I mean,
[40:03] Speaker 2: as a representative of local government, do you prefer Michelle
[40:06] Speaker 2: to Nicholas race Man.
[40:11] Speaker 16: I like me, I like I like a bit of sparring.
[40:13] Speaker 16: So it's nice to have a bit of a sagree
[40:14] Speaker 16: at the end there. But you're lovely, all right, don't
[40:17] Speaker 16: you down here for the local government.
[40:18] Speaker 13: Come from I'm coming tomorrow. Don't you worry about that.
[40:21] Speaker 10: I got told it's very cold, so I'm praising for us.
[40:24] Speaker 2: So this is the so this is the bit I
[40:26] Speaker 2: love right. The Prime ministers in the Parliament today.
[40:28] Speaker 15: This is not a local count and then this week
[40:31] Speaker 15: all my counselors are coming to Hanbra.
[40:34] Speaker 13: And he's meant to be giving us his speech, so
[40:35] Speaker 13: I can't wait.
[40:37] Speaker 16: I'm going to say tomorrow if this is a council,
[40:39] Speaker 16: actually big probity and standards.
[40:44] Speaker 2: Correct, all right, I do appreciate it, guys, Thank you
[40:46] Speaker 2: very much, Thank you, Michelle, thank you about take a
[40:48] Speaker 2: quick break back with more in a moment's time. Hopefully
[40:50] Speaker 2: we've got the connections up and have a chat too.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Do you sit an app a gymper Price, morn a sect, No,
[40:58] Speaker 2: Sook's no lefties, cherry on top, none of them. The
[41:00] Speaker 2: great just into Nampa, jimper Price, the joints us right now.
[41:04] Speaker 2: Love you to see you mate, Good to see you
[41:05] Speaker 2: kicking us in the senators all ways. And you are
[41:07] Speaker 2: going hot and hard and rightly so about these tax
[41:11] Speaker 2: changes that the Greens are going to help wave in
[41:13] Speaker 2: and become law. Of course you're the shadow small business Minister,
[41:16] Speaker 2: or get to a visit you had with them today.
[41:18] Speaker 2: But what was the point you were making in the
[41:20] Speaker 2: Senate today?
[41:21] Speaker 17: Oh, look that it's an absolute kick in the gut.
[41:24] Speaker 17: Guts for small business not just small businesses. I mean, look,
[41:28] Speaker 17: it's families across this country because predominantly that's who runs
[41:32] Speaker 17: small businesses.
[41:34] Speaker 13: And the fact that the Greens are.
[41:35] Speaker 17: Going to do a dirty deal with the Labor government
[41:38] Speaker 17: means they simply just don't care. This government, the Greens,
[41:42] Speaker 17: they just simply do not care for small businesses who
[41:45] Speaker 17: support our country. And I've visited many small businesses, those
[41:49] Speaker 17: that you know obviously provide sponsorship for Little League teams
[41:54] Speaker 17: and things like that, for their communities that offer apprenticeships. Often,
[41:59] Speaker 17: you know, when when a young person goes into their
[42:02] Speaker 17: first job, it's with.
[42:02] Speaker 13: A small business.
[42:03] Speaker 17: When they obtain an apprenticeship, it's with a small business.
[42:07] Speaker 17: And what this government doing is doing is kicking these
[42:11] Speaker 17: small businesses in the gut and they're making sure that
[42:15] Speaker 17: they dampen aspiration. It's got nothing to do with encouraging
[42:20] Speaker 17: aspiration in this country. It's ensuring that they're dampening aspiration.
[42:24] Speaker 17: And look, these tax changes, these carve outs, this legislation
[42:30] Speaker 17: doesn't need a tweak, does need a carve out.
[42:32] Speaker 13: It needs to be taken to with an axe. I
[42:34] Speaker 13: said it before, I'll say it again.
[42:36] Speaker 17: It's poop rolled in glitter and Ozzie's are seeing right
[42:40] Speaker 17: through it.
[42:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even again. Opinion polls released as late
[42:43] Speaker 2: as tonight show that as unpopular as this all was
[42:47] Speaker 2: at budget time, it's even worse now for them. The
[42:50] Speaker 2: support numbers have gone down, the disapproval numbers have gone up,
[42:55] Speaker 2: which is why they want to get to this duty
[42:56] Speaker 2: deal as fast as possible, because the thinking of this
[43:00] Speaker 2: government is get the deal done, get it through. Everyone forgets.
[43:04] Speaker 2: But isn't the reality that once it becomes law, we
[43:06] Speaker 2: will sit watch and wait until the first of July
[43:09] Speaker 2: next year, and then the pain kicks in. Nothing goes
[43:13] Speaker 2: away when this passes the Parliament.
[43:17] Speaker 13: That's precisely right.
[43:18] Speaker 17: And I haven't spoken to a single small business that
[43:22] Speaker 17: supports it in any way, shape or form.
[43:24] Speaker 13: But what I have heard them say is.
[43:25] Speaker 17: Because of the uncertainty, the environment of uncertainty that this
[43:29] Speaker 17: government has created and will do, these businesses will take
[43:34] Speaker 17: their business off shore. They will go to places like
[43:37] Speaker 17: Singapore or the Middle East. I mean, I've heard of
[43:41] Speaker 17: people who've already taken those steps and they've gone they're
[43:44] Speaker 17: leaving our country.
[43:45] Speaker 13: And what does that say for you know the fact
[43:47] Speaker 13: that we need opportunities here. We need people to be skilled.
[43:50] Speaker 17: We need who's going to build our homes when you know,
[43:54] Speaker 17: it's just too difficult for builders to take on apprentices
[43:57] Speaker 17: to invest in their business. When this government is ensuring
[44:01] Speaker 17: that there is absolute uncertainty and things.
[44:04] Speaker 13: Are going to get even bloody tougher.
[44:07] Speaker 17: It's it's it's almost criminal, Paul, it's almost criminal.
[44:11] Speaker 2: I'm with you. You went to a small business today,
[44:14] Speaker 2: Tracks Adventure Gear. I think they're in the act. They
[44:17] Speaker 2: look like they were involved in, you know, tricking up
[44:19] Speaker 2: a four wheel drives and camping gear and all the
[44:21] Speaker 2: rest of it. What did what did you learn or
[44:25] Speaker 2: what did they tell you about the experience, because clearly
[44:28] Speaker 2: they want to they you know, there's a price sometimes
[44:30] Speaker 2: businesses pay when they put their head above the paraper.
[44:33] Speaker 2: But they've decided no, bugger this. We're willing to stand
[44:35] Speaker 2: with people like yourself, like Angels Sailor, who want to
[44:38] Speaker 2: defeat these ideas totally.
[44:41] Speaker 17: And look this, this kind of business is the kind
[44:43] Speaker 17: of business that gets me excited being a territory and girl,
[44:45] Speaker 17: being a girl who's practically born in the back of
[44:48] Speaker 17: a high lux and I have a high lucks to
[44:51] Speaker 17: this day and a land Cruiser, and you know, these
[44:56] Speaker 17: are these are the sorts of vehicles that Australians love
[45:00] Speaker 17: because for recreational purposes, there's nothing better that we like
[45:03] Speaker 17: to do is to get out and camp, to go.
[45:04] Speaker 13: Forward driving with our families.
[45:07] Speaker 17: And then there are those who use these vehicles for
[45:09] Speaker 17: their farm work. And this particular business is absolutely talking
[45:13] Speaker 17: about the fact that the cost of everything has gone up,
[45:16] Speaker 17: the cost of fuel has gone up. They fork out
[45:20] Speaker 17: twenty five thousand dollars a year in insurance and they
[45:23] Speaker 17: have experienced an increase in crime, in break ins, in
[45:27] Speaker 17: fire bombings, in ram raids of their business and now
[45:31] Speaker 17: they're being told they could possibly risk losing insurance altogether
[45:35] Speaker 17: because of this. So there's so many challenges that they're
[45:38] Speaker 17: faced with, not just the cost of everything, but the
[45:40] Speaker 17: fact that because of cost of living the crisis that
[45:43] Speaker 17: it is increased criminal behavior and activity. So businesses like
[45:48] Speaker 17: this are doing it tough. I mean, there's so much
[45:50] Speaker 17: that we covered. The fact that you know, for those
[45:53] Speaker 17: that purchase vehicles like the vehicles that they do up
[45:56] Speaker 17: and if they want to get their dealer to put
[45:58] Speaker 17: their extras onto those vehicles, that pushes up the value
[46:02] Speaker 17: of their cars, which you know, I found the cars,
[46:06] Speaker 17: which then puts them into the bracket of luxury vehicle,
[46:10] Speaker 17: which means that ultimately they have to pay a luxury
[46:13] Speaker 17: vehicle tax on their car.
[46:15] Speaker 13: So you know, it's just it's just crazy.
[46:19] Speaker 2: I just yeah, yeah, I mean, look the luxury car
[46:21] Speaker 2: tax stuff. It does my head in, right, is that
[46:23] Speaker 2: obviously this is this leaf left over time from a
[46:25] Speaker 2: different time in Australian manufacturing when we were trying to
[46:28] Speaker 2: protect that Australian industry. Again, I'm not asking you to
[46:31] Speaker 2: make a policy on the run, but this seems to
[46:33] Speaker 2: be one of those so over the top things that
[46:35] Speaker 2: get put in place. And again, as you say, it's
[46:37] Speaker 2: not the rawal value of the car, it's the extras,
[46:39] Speaker 2: you know, just the roof racks will be the difference
[46:42] Speaker 2: between up or down, the height and the ride up
[46:44] Speaker 2: and down, the size of the tires up and down
[46:46] Speaker 2: in terms of these extra taxes. Hey, one last one
[46:48] Speaker 2: before we're done. We're going to done on this weekend
[46:51] Speaker 2: for our town. You know how much I love the territory,
[46:53] Speaker 2: love being able to either visit the good people of Alice,
[46:55] Speaker 2: like your good self or obviously the big smoke way
[47:00] Speaker 2: up north. This time of year is such a great
[47:04] Speaker 2: time and I want people to think about this with
[47:06] Speaker 2: their July school holidays, wherever they are in the country,
[47:09] Speaker 2: come to the Northern Territory. It is the time of
[47:12] Speaker 2: the year because the weather it ain't stinking hot. It's
[47:16] Speaker 2: lovely and warm.
[47:17] Speaker 17: Right, it's beautiful, and you've got the markets, and you've
[47:20] Speaker 17: got luxA.
[47:22] Speaker 13: We've got the best luxA in the country in Darwin.
[47:24] Speaker 17: You've got the Lichfield National Park which has the beautiful waterfalls,
[47:29] Speaker 17: you know, a range of waterfalls that you can go
[47:31] Speaker 17: and swim at. The water is like it's my favorite
[47:35] Speaker 17: place to go swimming. Yeah, there's so much to do
[47:38] Speaker 17: up in the top end. But so many great markets,
[47:41] Speaker 17: such great food, such great people.
[47:43] Speaker 13: You know, us territories.
[47:45] Speaker 17: We love to see more people come and see our
[47:48] Speaker 17: part of the world.
[47:49] Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. We're doing it on the weekend,
[47:51] Speaker 2: celebrating it on Sunday. Thank you so much, Senator. Senator
[47:53] Speaker 2: just into a nampitching pro price again. Top of the tree.
[47:56] Speaker 2: How good is she? No sooks, no lefties, cherry on top.
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[48:25] Speaker 2: more to say of the late debate about five from
[48:27] Speaker 2: now Here on Sky News, so just double checked and
[48:33] Speaker 2: it is confirmed tomorrow night. Nigel Farage is on our
[48:36] Speaker 2: show the best person to talk to after of course
[48:40] Speaker 2: Keios Starmer decided to step down, not effective tonight, but
[48:44] Speaker 2: he will be pulling the pin as early as when
[48:47] Speaker 2: nobody else but Andy Burnham wants to take over. If
[48:50] Speaker 2: that's the case, that'll be the middle of July. If
[48:53] Speaker 2: somebody tries to have a contest, that can push it
[48:55] Speaker 2: all the way out to September. Niger Farras says it
[48:58] Speaker 2: is time for the UK to have an election now
[49:01] Speaker 2: because the country clearly is about to go in a
[49:03] Speaker 2: different direction, and of course completely unelected to do so.
[49:07] Speaker 2: Niger farrage here tomorrow night

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