# Paul Murray Live | 9 June

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 9 Jun 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/ad8615d6-e2b2-4e1d-b321-b46400d8d2e4/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

A survey shows the confidence in the economy is at one of the lowest points it's been in 50 years, Angus Taylor and Tony Abbott are both open to a Liberal preference deal with One Nation. Plus, Treasurer Tim Wilson joins the show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Thank you, Shary. Good evening Australia. Welcome into the man Cave.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Calor Bond in for Paul this week will more bad
[0:13] Speaker 2: economic news today. A new survey by one of the
[0:15] Speaker 2: big banks has found that your confidence in the economy
[0:19] Speaker 2: is at one of the lowest points it's been in
[0:21] Speaker 2: fifty years, and it's worse since the budget. A'll drill
[0:24] Speaker 2: into the numbers, get you across all the detail in
[0:27] Speaker 2: just a moment. Michael Kroger and Linda Scott are in.
[0:29] Speaker 3: For the panel tonight.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Angus Taylor and Tony Abbott are both open to a
[0:33] Speaker 2: Liberal preference deal with one Nation.
[0:36] Speaker 3: We'll get stuck into that.
[0:37] Speaker 2: And on the matter of the Liberals and one Nation,
[0:40] Speaker 2: why isn't this stinker of a budget giving the coalition
[0:44] Speaker 2: something in the polls?
[0:45] Speaker 3: Will shadow?
[0:46] Speaker 2: Treasurer Tim Wilson will join me later. Now you are
[0:50] Speaker 2: going backwards. I probably don't need to tell you that.
[0:52] Speaker 2: You know it, You know that you are going backwards. Well,
[0:56] Speaker 2: the Westpac and Melbourne Institute Consumer Index was released day
[1:00] Speaker 2: and it was down two point nine percent from last
[1:03] Speaker 2: month to eighty point six So I think we can
[1:06] Speaker 2: say that's a reflection of how people are feeling after
[1:09] Speaker 2: the budget. Now I know eighty point six. What does
[1:12] Speaker 2: that mean? We won't go into the MINUTII of that.
[1:15] Speaker 2: What does matter, though, is that it's one of the
[1:18] Speaker 2: lowest results in the fifty years that they've been doing
[1:22] Speaker 2: the survey. Mean, just consider that for a moment, economic
[1:25] Speaker 2: confidence in this country is among the lowest it's been
[1:29] Speaker 2: in fifty years.
[1:32] Speaker 3: Following the federal budget.
[1:33] Speaker 2: Pessimist's outnumbered optimist by nearly twenty percent in this survey
[1:38] Speaker 2: and in the report, the head of Australian macro forecasting
[1:41] Speaker 2: at Westpac, Matthew Hassen, wrote that other concerns may be
[1:45] Speaker 2: starting to emerge, with a sharp drop in house price
[1:48] Speaker 2: expectations suggesting some consumers are becoming more unsettled about the
[1:53] Speaker 2: impact of recently announced tax changes. But hang on, I
[1:58] Speaker 2: thought they were meant to make things better. Yeah, I
[2:00] Speaker 2: thought they were going to get people buying houses, he
[2:02] Speaker 2: wrote in his report.
[2:04] Speaker 3: Cost of living issues came back with a.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Vengeance in June. The family finances versus a year ago
[2:10] Speaker 2: and family finances over the next twelve months sub indexes
[2:14] Speaker 2: both dropped sharply down seven point five percent to sixty
[2:18] Speaker 2: seven point three percent, or just the number sixty three
[2:21] Speaker 2: point seven on the index an eight point five percent
[2:24] Speaker 2: to eighty five point one, respectively, giving up almost all
[2:28] Speaker 2: of the May games to be back near April lows.
[2:31] Speaker 2: The forward view speaks to particularly acute fears. Australians are
[2:36] Speaker 2: more typically moderately positive about prospects for their finances, with
[2:40] Speaker 2: an average index read historically of one hundred and six
[2:43] Speaker 2: point five, but there have been barely a handful of
[2:47] Speaker 2: sub eighty five reads on this sub index over the
[2:50] Speaker 2: last fifty years, one of which was back in April.
[2:53] Speaker 2: Australian consumers are clearly bracing for more bad news on
[2:58] Speaker 2: the financial front. You are expecting things to get worse,
[3:03] Speaker 2: not better. And I think this is really really interesting.
[3:07] Speaker 2: Where you think the best place is to park your
[3:10] Speaker 2: savings now? Historically housing has been right up there. But
[3:14] Speaker 2: listen to this. This is quoting from mister Hassan's report again.
[3:17] Speaker 2: He wrote June. Responses to our quarterly question on the
[3:21] Speaker 2: wisest place for savings show safe options very heavily favored.
[3:26] Speaker 2: Thirty one percent of consumers nominating bank deposits twenty seven
[3:30] Speaker 2: percent nominating pay down debt and eight percent nominating superannuation.
[3:36] Speaker 2: Two thirds of consumers opted for one of these three options,
[3:39] Speaker 2: up from fifty five percent in March. So people are
[3:42] Speaker 2: looking for safer places for their money. Much of the move,
[3:45] Speaker 2: he says, centered on a big shift in attitudes towards
[3:49] Speaker 2: housing investment. The share nominating real estate fell from an
[3:54] Speaker 2: already very low ninety nine point two percent, i should
[3:57] Speaker 2: say in March to just four point point five percent
[4:01] Speaker 2: in June. That is the lowest chair since the survey
[4:05] Speaker 2: began in nineteen seventy four, and compares to historical averages
[4:10] Speaker 2: of twenty four percent over that time. In other words,
[4:13] Speaker 2: what one in four Australians typically viewed as the wisest
[4:17] Speaker 2: place for savings historically is only seen that way today
[4:21] Speaker 2: by one in twenty two. So from a quarter to
[4:26] Speaker 2: just four point five percent of people thinking that property
[4:31] Speaker 2: is the wisest place to put their money. That is
[4:34] Speaker 2: a massive shift. And interestingly, the index has actually had
[4:39] Speaker 2: a bit of a bump on whether it's a good
[4:41] Speaker 2: time to buy a house. It's up twelve point six
[4:43] Speaker 2: percent on last month, presumably because people are seeing the
[4:47] Speaker 2: market slowing so they figure, well, they might get a
[4:50] Speaker 2: better deal if they buy a property, but they are
[4:52] Speaker 2: not confident in its long term value as an investment.
[4:57] Speaker 2: And when we talk about housing as an investment, you
[4:59] Speaker 2: have to remember we're not just talking about the people
[5:02] Speaker 2: we refer to as property investors. You know, someone who
[5:05] Speaker 2: buys properties not to live in them, but to rent
[5:07] Speaker 2: them out. They're purely an investment, like shares or something.
[5:11] Speaker 2: We're also talking about everyone who owns a property. I mean,
[5:15] Speaker 2: find me someone who's bought a family home who doesn't
[5:19] Speaker 2: treat it as an investment. It's not like a car
[5:22] Speaker 2: that you know will be a depreciating asset as it
[5:24] Speaker 2: happens to be collectible or something. People buy their home
[5:28] Speaker 2: not just so they have somewhere to live, but also
[5:30] Speaker 2: to improve their financial position. They expect to make a profit,
[5:34] Speaker 2: to raise some money for their retirement.
[5:37] Speaker 3: That is an investment.
[5:39] Speaker 2: Everyone in the property market, including owner occupiers, is in
[5:44] Speaker 2: some way or another an investor.
[5:47] Speaker 3: So when Westpac.
[5:48] Speaker 2: Finds that the number of people who think real estate
[5:51] Speaker 2: is the best best place to put their money has
[5:54] Speaker 2: gone from one in four to one in twenty two,
[5:59] Speaker 2: it's not just rich people looking to invest their millions.
[6:02] Speaker 3: That's all of us.
[6:03] Speaker 2: I mean, in general, we now view housing as an
[6:07] Speaker 2: unsafe place to put your money. And recent first home
[6:11] Speaker 2: buyers or potential first home buyers, they'll be thinking that too,
[6:15] Speaker 2: you know, the people who allegedly are meant to be
[6:18] Speaker 2: helped by the changes in the budget. I mean, if
[6:20] Speaker 2: we're talking about prices potentially going backwards, the people will
[6:25] Speaker 2: be hit hardest a first home buyers who've recently bought something,
[6:29] Speaker 2: they could end up going into negative equity. The second
[6:31] Speaker 2: worst off will be those looking to buy soon because
[6:34] Speaker 2: they also now have to think about, well, if I
[6:37] Speaker 2: buy now, do I end up in negative equity or
[6:40] Speaker 2: do I wait and see where the market goes. Does
[6:43] Speaker 2: it go backwards first or what I mean? You could
[6:45] Speaker 2: end up in something of a Mexican standoff where no
[6:49] Speaker 2: one wants to buy because they don't think that property
[6:53] Speaker 2: is safe.
[6:54] Speaker 3: And I noted before that.
[6:56] Speaker 2: The Time to Buy a Dwelling index was up twelve
[6:59] Speaker 2: point six percent for the month, but it's also down
[7:02] Speaker 2: thirteen percent year on year, So even after the changes
[7:06] Speaker 2: to negative gearing and capital gains tax changes, people still
[7:10] Speaker 2: think that it is harder to buy a house today
[7:13] Speaker 2: than it was a year ago. I mean, it's all
[7:16] Speaker 2: just going so well. And all of this after another
[7:19] Speaker 2: economic survey a few days ago by the Comparison Type
[7:23] Speaker 2: Finder that had sixty four percent of people believing that
[7:27] Speaker 2: we're headed for a recession by Christmas. Sixteen percent say
[7:31] Speaker 2: it's certain, forty eight percent say it's likely. I mean,
[7:34] Speaker 2: you want to talk about a lack of confidence in
[7:36] Speaker 2: the economy, and there's a reason that people think a
[7:40] Speaker 2: recession is on the way, it's because we've actually been
[7:44] Speaker 2: in one for a long time. For ten of the
[7:47] Speaker 2: past fifteen quarters, we've had negative economic growth, that is,
[7:52] Speaker 2: the economy has gone backwards per head of population. So
[7:56] Speaker 2: even though there's this sort of headline in economic growth,
[8:00] Speaker 2: that we are, in real terms, in terms of your
[8:03] Speaker 2: household economy, in recession. And the only reason we haven't
[8:07] Speaker 2: been in an official recession, and this is the dodgy
[8:10] Speaker 2: that they do with these headline numbers, is that for
[8:13] Speaker 2: years this federal government has been importing margrants en mass. Now,
[8:17] Speaker 2: population growth, as you would know, creates a natural economic
[8:22] Speaker 2: growth because these people have to live somewhere, and they
[8:24] Speaker 2: have to get a job, and they have to spend money,
[8:26] Speaker 2: and they have to send their kids to school and
[8:28] Speaker 2: eat and all these things. Right, So the government spends
[8:31] Speaker 2: its money to make jobs for these people. Three quarters
[8:37] Speaker 2: of jobs created in twenty twenty four will linked to
[8:41] Speaker 2: government money. But then they go, hey, presto, the economy
[8:44] Speaker 2: is growing. Look, we've got employment.
[8:46] Speaker 3: It's fine. People are taking up.
[8:48] Speaker 2: Jobs, businesses are starting, people are spending money.
[8:52] Speaker 3: But in reality, when you adjust that alleged.
[8:55] Speaker 2: Growth for the growth in the population, the economy is
[8:59] Speaker 2: actually shrinking. That is a recession. We've effectively been in
[9:04] Speaker 2: it for years. But don't worry because we've changed the
[9:08] Speaker 2: negative gearing. I mean, you and I both know how
[9:13] Speaker 2: bad things are, but the government just keeps saying, don't
[9:17] Speaker 2: believe your lying eyes. Well, in return, we say this,
[9:22] Speaker 2: you can, No, you can't.
[9:30] Speaker 3: We can see them anyway.
[9:31] Speaker 2: Meanwhile, both Opposition leader Angus Taylor and Liberal President Tony
[9:35] Speaker 2: Abbott have both said that they're open to doing a
[9:38] Speaker 2: preference deal with one nation. Now that it seemed like
[9:41] Speaker 2: a pretty common sense view to me. But I'm sure
[9:43] Speaker 2: labor will jump up and down and try to scare
[9:45] Speaker 2: people about it. But to be honest, I think we're
[9:49] Speaker 2: past that point.
[9:50] Speaker 3: Anyway. This was mister Taylor today.
[9:53] Speaker 1: The coalition swapping preferences with one nation.
[9:56] Speaker 4: Is this something that you've bucked.
[9:57] Speaker 5: Well, well, we'll work with others to get of a
[10:00] Speaker 5: rotten labor government.
[10:02] Speaker 1: I mean, people are angry.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Mister Abbott then told The Australian that as a general rule,
[10:07] Speaker 2: it makes sense for parties of the right to preference
[10:10] Speaker 2: each other, just as parties of the left have always done.
[10:13] Speaker 3: And he's right.
[10:14] Speaker 2: I mean, they can't just attack or demonize one nation anymore.
[10:17] Speaker 2: Those days are dead and gone. The shift of people
[10:21] Speaker 2: from the coalition to one nation can't be turned around overnight,
[10:25] Speaker 2: if at all, and it certainly can't be turned around
[10:28] Speaker 2: by demonizing people for shifting their vote to one nation.
[10:31] Speaker 2: I mean, you tell people they're stupid, or they're wrong,
[10:34] Speaker 2: or race is still something. For voting for a certain party,
[10:37] Speaker 2: you can almost be guaranteed that they'll be even more
[10:41] Speaker 2: likely to vote for them. You know. I think we
[10:44] Speaker 2: just now have to accept that politics is fracturing. People
[10:48] Speaker 2: aren't happy with the status quo and they are going elsewhere.
[10:51] Speaker 2: That's not their fault. And if the Right wants to
[10:54] Speaker 2: win government, it'll have to do it with other people,
[10:57] Speaker 2: not just one bit of the right or that other
[10:59] Speaker 2: bit of all of it. They'll have to join up
[11:01] Speaker 2: in some way. Now, the threat to labor at this
[11:05] Speaker 2: stage isn't as bad, but the decline of the two
[11:08] Speaker 2: party system is happening. There is no point pretending it isn't.
[11:13] Speaker 2: But as I said before, some will try to cast
[11:16] Speaker 2: this as bad for the coalition, but it will turn
[11:19] Speaker 2: off margrants and all the rest of it.
[11:20] Speaker 3: And indeed the PM was having a pop about that.
[11:23] Speaker 6: Today the Liberal one National Party are indistinguishable these days,
[11:31] Speaker 6: and the problem for Angus Taylor is that if he
[11:34] Speaker 6: tries to out one nation one nation, then they become
[11:38] Speaker 6: indistinguishable and people more and more will go towards what
[11:43] Speaker 6: they see as the real thing.
[11:46] Speaker 2: Now, it makes this point about voting for the real thing,
[11:49] Speaker 2: and perhaps not a bad point. I mean, why vote
[11:52] Speaker 2: for the light version if you can vote for the
[11:54] Speaker 2: real thing. But of course this is part of what's
[11:57] Speaker 2: led the Coalition to this place, lead to the rise
[12:00] Speaker 2: of one nation in the first place. The coalition, the
[12:03] Speaker 2: Liberals in particular, tried to be labor light and look
[12:07] Speaker 2: how that turned out. I mean, why would you vote
[12:10] Speaker 2: for labor light when you could just have labor and
[12:13] Speaker 2: that's exactly what people.
[12:15] Speaker 3: Did at the last election.
[12:16] Speaker 2: I mean, there'd be no real alternative for a long time,
[12:20] Speaker 2: but now there is an alternative and people are flocked
[12:23] Speaker 2: to it. But if the Libs are being labor light
[12:27] Speaker 2: or being labeled if you know they are labor light,
[12:29] Speaker 2: they have been for ages. But if that caused the
[12:32] Speaker 2: rise of One Nation and now they face the problem
[12:35] Speaker 2: of being seen as One Nation light, and to be honest,
[12:38] Speaker 2: the Liberals have no one else to blame but themselves.
[12:41] Speaker 2: And of course this is the other problem they have,
[12:43] Speaker 2: is that if they're going to go and try and
[12:45] Speaker 2: do a preference deal with One Nation, it looks like
[12:48] Speaker 2: they're desperate. They need someone to help them out. But
[12:52] Speaker 2: as I say, that is the position in which they
[12:55] Speaker 2: now find themselves, which brings me to an interview with
[12:59] Speaker 2: mister Taylor in the Nine Papers today. He's blaming bad
[13:04] Speaker 2: poll results for the Coalition on Labour's budget. Now, of course,
[13:08] Speaker 2: the Coalition was down three points in news poll the
[13:11] Speaker 2: other day and One Nation was up seven to be
[13:14] Speaker 2: the most popular party in the country, the third major
[13:17] Speaker 2: poll so far that has found that One Nation is
[13:20] Speaker 2: on top. So now Taylor says that the problem is
[13:24] Speaker 2: that Labour's budget quote further eroded trust in the political system.
[13:29] Speaker 2: He said, quote that's damaging both sides of politics. We
[13:33] Speaker 2: are paying part.
[13:35] Speaker 3: Of the price for it.
[13:36] Speaker 2: This is the new political world we're in. We'll get
[13:38] Speaker 2: some space over the winter break to talk more about
[13:42] Speaker 2: our positive plan. Now, in his defense, he's not entirely wrong.
[13:46] Speaker 2: There is absolutely a broader disdain for and a move
[13:51] Speaker 2: away from major parties because Labour's primary vote is well
[13:55] Speaker 2: down too, though not as bad as the Coalition of course,
[13:58] Speaker 2: But you.
[13:59] Speaker 3: Can't just blame late for that.
[14:01] Speaker 2: I mean, as I said before, a large part of
[14:03] Speaker 2: the problem for the Coalition is that it tried to
[14:06] Speaker 2: be labor light. And so when people really decided over
[14:09] Speaker 2: the past I suppose nine months or so that they
[14:12] Speaker 2: were upset with the government, they decided to look for
[14:15] Speaker 2: an alternative, and the Coalition had two problems on that front.
[14:19] Speaker 2: It spent too much time trying to be labor light,
[14:23] Speaker 2: so why would you back the mob that's slightly less bad.
[14:27] Speaker 2: And of course when Susan Lee became leader, she said
[14:30] Speaker 2: that every policy was on the table, everything was up
[14:33] Speaker 2: for discussion, and they then spent the next six months
[14:36] Speaker 2: not doing much at all. I mean, it had very
[14:39] Speaker 2: few policies to point to it.
[14:41] Speaker 3: It wasn't on the attack against the government.
[14:44] Speaker 2: So people looked for a real alternative, which they found
[14:48] Speaker 2: in that one nation. Now some of that may not
[14:51] Speaker 2: be Angus Taylor's fault, but he was there for most
[14:54] Speaker 2: of it, and unfortunately for him, that's his cross to bear.
[14:59] Speaker 2: I mean, he's not been put in charge of the
[15:00] Speaker 2: Liberal Party to complain that the reason they're not doing
[15:03] Speaker 2: well in the polls is because of labor. I mean,
[15:07] Speaker 2: even if he's thinking that, you don't just come out
[15:09] Speaker 2: and say it. You say, the people are pissed off
[15:12] Speaker 2: with labor and with us, and we have to copy it.
[15:16] Speaker 3: We have to take our mets.
[15:18] Speaker 2: But we're working over time to prove that we're worthy
[15:21] Speaker 2: of your vote because this is a rotten government and
[15:23] Speaker 2: we want to do something about it. I mean, you
[15:26] Speaker 2: don't say, well, people have lost confidence in major parties
[15:29] Speaker 2: because of labor, so that's why I can't get ahead
[15:32] Speaker 2: in the polls. It's a bit like Zach Kirker, remember him,
[15:36] Speaker 2: Probably not actually, because he didn't go very far in politics.
[15:39] Speaker 2: And this is why five years ago he was the
[15:42] Speaker 2: opposition leader in Western Australia, and he came out before
[15:47] Speaker 2: that land slide election that of course Labor and Mark
[15:50] Speaker 2: McGowan won twenty twenty one. That was during COVID. People
[15:54] Speaker 2: were crapping their decks over in w way about how
[15:57] Speaker 2: you know they had to be closed off to the
[15:59] Speaker 2: rest of the country.
[16:00] Speaker 3: They absolutely romped it him.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Right, So he comes out before the election and says, well,
[16:05] Speaker 2: I know we can't win, but vote for us anyway,
[16:08] Speaker 2: So at least there's an opposition. Seriously, even if you're
[16:12] Speaker 2: thinking it, even if you know it's true, and in
[16:15] Speaker 2: both cases, yes, there is an element of truth to it,
[16:19] Speaker 2: you don't.
[16:20] Speaker 3: Say it out loud. It makes you look weak.
[16:24] Speaker 2: I mean, you're saying there's something wrong with someone else
[16:27] Speaker 2: before you've even got to the fight. And if you
[16:29] Speaker 2: don't look like you're in for the fight, if you
[16:32] Speaker 2: don't look like you think you can win, then people
[16:37] Speaker 2: won't back you. I mean, I would have thought this
[16:39] Speaker 2: is not hard. And the problem for Angus Taylor is
[16:42] Speaker 2: that he wanted the job. You know, he rolled Susan Lee.
[16:46] Speaker 2: He said, make me the leader of the Liberal Party.
[16:49] Speaker 2: I'll clean this mess up. And unfortunately for him if
[16:53] Speaker 2: he doesn't clean the mess up. And I said this
[16:56] Speaker 2: the day he became leader. The history books will sh
[17:01] Speaker 2: that the death and destruction of the Liberal Party did
[17:04] Speaker 2: not happen under Susan Lee, but that it happened under
[17:08] Speaker 2: Angus Taylor. He put his hand up. He wanted this fight.
[17:13] Speaker 2: He wanted to stop the rot and take on one nation. Well,
[17:17] Speaker 2: if you look at the record so far, it's not
[17:19] Speaker 2: going too well. I guess we'll just see how that
[17:22] Speaker 2: pans out, won't We not going to help saying things
[17:26] Speaker 2: like that in the press now. I don't want to
[17:28] Speaker 2: dwell on it too much because it's been well played today.
[17:32] Speaker 2: But poor old Victorian Premier to Cintra Allen, of course
[17:34] Speaker 2: she's under a bit of pressure after that poll in
[17:37] Speaker 2: the Herald's Son putting the Liberals ahead fifty three forty seven. Well,
[17:41] Speaker 2: the PM was in her patch today at the Bendigo Tafe. Now,
[17:45] Speaker 2: interestingly the Premiere was nowhere to be seen. One wonders
[17:49] Speaker 2: whose idea that was, But he offered this lukewarm endorsement
[17:53] Speaker 2: of miss Allen.
[17:55] Speaker 6: To Sinner Allen. I've known Jasina for a long period
[17:58] Speaker 6: of time.
[17:58] Speaker 1: We were both.
[17:59] Speaker 6: Infrastructs ministers in the former government when I was the
[18:07] Speaker 6: minister in two thousand and seven, Jacina Allen has a
[18:11] Speaker 6: record of delivering for this local community.
[18:15] Speaker 2: I mean, gee, if that's the best dick and muster up,
[18:19] Speaker 2: then she is gone. I mean, there's basically the kiss
[18:21] Speaker 2: of death from the prime minister right And for her part,
[18:24] Speaker 2: Miss Allen picked her line today and she was sticking
[18:27] Speaker 2: to it.
[18:40] Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, sorry, wrong clip. Here's the Premier.
[18:43] Speaker 7: Because when the going gets tough, the tough get going,
[18:46] Speaker 7: and I am all in for this challenge. I'll repeat
[18:49] Speaker 7: something I said earlier. When the going gets tough, the
[18:51] Speaker 7: tough gets going, and I'm all in because this election
[18:54] Speaker 7: is about a choice. I'll repeat again what I said
[18:56] Speaker 7: at the outset. When the going gets tough, the tough
[18:59] Speaker 7: gets going, and I am all in.
[19:01] Speaker 2: She must have been playing Billy Ocean all morning, or
[19:03] Speaker 2: at least her staff for anyway. I mean, she said
[19:06] Speaker 2: she wouldn't even stand aside if it meant Labor would
[19:09] Speaker 2: win the election.
[19:10] Speaker 3: Again.
[19:10] Speaker 2: Now, maybe she's sensible for saying that. Angus Taylor could
[19:14] Speaker 2: take note. You know, you know, you don't just go
[19:15] Speaker 2: out in the press and start saying.
[19:16] Speaker 3: Oh, well, it's everyone else's vault. We're not going to win.
[19:19] Speaker 2: But still, I mean, if she wants to know about
[19:22] Speaker 2: the going getting tough, she should ask the people of
[19:25] Speaker 2: Victoria what it's like.
[19:27] Speaker 3: Crime through the.
[19:28] Speaker 2: Roof, taxes through the roof, get through the roof, cuts left,
[19:32] Speaker 2: right and center because the joints broke. Things are tough,
[19:35] Speaker 2: all right, But for how long can the people of
[19:39] Speaker 2: Victoria continue to simply get going? Now? Before we get
[19:44] Speaker 2: to a break? I thought this was quite refreshing today.
[19:47] Speaker 2: So Idris Elba has been interviewed by GQ magazine. Most
[19:52] Speaker 2: recently he was tipped to become the next James Bond.
[19:55] Speaker 2: Now that's not happening, but there was all this talk about,
[19:58] Speaker 2: you know, can you have a black James Bond? Or
[20:01] Speaker 2: could you have a female James Bond?
[20:03] Speaker 3: And so on and so forth.
[20:04] Speaker 2: But Sir Idris says, don't mess with the formula. He
[20:07] Speaker 2: told GQ of the rumors that he would be the
[20:10] Speaker 2: next Bond. I've always felt that it's not a realistic thing.
[20:14] Speaker 2: James Bond was written how he was written for a reason.
[20:17] Speaker 2: But I was complimented by it, and also I think
[20:20] Speaker 2: in realistic terms, some markets just don't go for that.
[20:24] Speaker 2: Bond is big all over the world, and audiences won't
[20:27] Speaker 2: all go for a black male, an African male playing Bond.
[20:32] Speaker 2: That's not what they like, that's not what they like
[20:34] Speaker 2: in their culture period. He goes on to say, Bond
[20:36] Speaker 2: is so unrealistic. So a hint of reality is good,
[20:40] Speaker 2: but let's not try and make it woke. I think
[20:44] Speaker 2: what you've got to be pure to is escapism. That's
[20:47] Speaker 2: what it is. Don't try and answer the world's taste.
[20:51] Speaker 3: Just be Bond.
[20:54] Speaker 2: I mean, how Lo Lula is not jumping up and
[20:57] Speaker 2: down and saying James Bond ought to be black to
[21:00] Speaker 2: make a point. He's saying, James Bond is James Bond.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Don't go changing it. And he's made that point that
[21:07] Speaker 2: so many other actors and actresses seem to miss. It
[21:10] Speaker 2: is escapism. It's entertainment. You don't have to woke a
[21:15] Speaker 2: fired I mean, it's James Bond, for heaven's sake. You
[21:20] Speaker 2: can't tell me that anyone is going.
[21:22] Speaker 3: To the movies and going war. Jeez.
[21:23] Speaker 2: I don't think I can go to the next iteration
[21:25] Speaker 2: of James Bond because he's not black or he's not gay.
[21:28] Speaker 3: Or like it's a movie. In the words of Gene Simmons.
[21:33] Speaker 1: Basically, shut the do your art and shut up.
[21:37] Speaker 3: Nobody's interested in your opinions.
[21:38] Speaker 8: That includes me, who I vote for, who I like?
[21:42] Speaker 1: Who you think you are?
[21:45] Speaker 2: Here here after the break, Michael Kroger and Linda Scott
[21:48] Speaker 2: One Nation preference deels.
[21:50] Speaker 3: The ABC boss backs Grace Tame. I need to talk
[21:52] Speaker 3: about no go away.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Taylor Bond in for Paul this week. All right, let's
[21:59] Speaker 2: get stuck into it, shall we? Joining me now former
[22:02] Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Groger and former Labor councilor
[22:06] Speaker 2: Linda Scott, who's on the desk, hey with me. Good
[22:08] Speaker 2: to see you both. This preference deal idea, Michael, do
[22:14] Speaker 2: you back it in? I mean, obviously you've got the
[22:16] Speaker 2: opposition leader, you've got Tony Abbott, both saying look, we
[22:21] Speaker 2: should probably look at if it comes to it, doing
[22:24] Speaker 2: a deal with one nation.
[22:25] Speaker 3: Good move, bad move.
[22:28] Speaker 9: Well, look, the Labor Party doesn't deal with the Greens
[22:30] Speaker 9: every election, and we don't hear howes of outrage from the.
[22:34] Speaker 1: Legacy media about that.
[22:36] Speaker 9: But when we talk about doing some kind of preference
[22:38] Speaker 9: deal with one nation, the old media, the fossil media
[22:42] Speaker 9: or sales is outrageous. Dealing to the right wing party.
[22:44] Speaker 9: The Green still deal with Labor and every single election
[22:48] Speaker 9: and no word has ever spoken of it. I mean,
[22:51] Speaker 9: I mean the Greens are surrounded by elements of anti
[22:56] Speaker 9: Jewish hatred, anti Semitism. We've seen the behavior and comments
[23:00] Speaker 9: of people around the Greens about Israel.
[23:04] Speaker 1: They are a toxic party.
[23:05] Speaker 9: They're a smoldering ruin of a party that they used
[23:09] Speaker 9: to be when you know, forty on years ago and
[23:11] Speaker 9: Bob Brown was running with an environmental party. Do we
[23:14] Speaker 9: hear hows of outrage from Elbow about dealing with them?
[23:18] Speaker 1: No.
[23:19] Speaker 9: So, you know, as Angus Taylor has said, we'll do
[23:22] Speaker 9: whatever's necessary to work with non labor parties to defeat
[23:27] Speaker 9: the Labor Party. Does that mean putting the Greens last? Absolutely,
[23:31] Speaker 9: Labor second last, al most certainly, And of course we'd
[23:34] Speaker 9: be preferencing one nation above those two parties, and if
[23:36] Speaker 9: we didn't, to be a very foolish thing to do.
[23:39] Speaker 9: And I'm sure that's what we are going to do.
[23:40] Speaker 1: Well.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Indeed, I think the days of sort of saying, oh, well,
[23:43] Speaker 2: you know, we can fight one nation and that'll be
[23:46] Speaker 2: fine are over. I mean, the reality now, Linda is
[23:49] Speaker 2: that one Nation is the pre eminent conservative force in
[23:53] Speaker 2: this country. And I guess it kind of shows perhaps
[23:56] Speaker 2: how far behind the eight ball the Liberal Party and
[23:59] Speaker 2: the Coalition happy now that they have to openly accede
[24:03] Speaker 2: to this stuff, because of course, once upon a time
[24:05] Speaker 2: like under how they just said, well, you know, bugger
[24:07] Speaker 2: one nation, We're not interested.
[24:09] Speaker 3: But I don't think they have that luxury anymore.
[24:11] Speaker 5: Look, I think it definitely is Caleber a pretty shocking
[24:14] Speaker 5: proposition when you have the leader of the Liberal Party
[24:16] Speaker 5: come out and say whatever it takes. I mean, you'd
[24:19] Speaker 5: think that at the very least they'd want to investigate
[24:22] Speaker 5: one nation's policies, like you know, the kind of flat
[24:25] Speaker 5: tax rate that they talk about, which would mean a
[24:28] Speaker 5: massive tax hike four millions of Australians on some of
[24:32] Speaker 5: the lowest incomes. You'd think they'd want to investigate one
[24:36] Speaker 5: nation's policies that advocate for a race based migration system.
[24:40] Speaker 5: You know, you think they'd want to agree with some
[24:43] Speaker 5: of these really fundamental policies that one Nation is backing.
[24:47] Speaker 5: But I also just wanted to highlight Krager that the
[24:51] Speaker 5: Liberal Party has not taken a principal position on preferencing.
[24:55] Speaker 4: I mean here in Sydney.
[24:57] Speaker 5: You know at the last date election the Liberals preference
[25:00] Speaker 5: the Greens in the seat of Balmain. So we've seen
[25:02] Speaker 5: Liberals preferencing the Greens here in Sydney in state elections.
[25:06] Speaker 5: We're now seeing them agree to preference whoever it takes,
[25:09] Speaker 5: including one nation. Like, where are the limits? Where will
[25:12] Speaker 5: the Liberals stop in terms of their preferencing. They're no
[25:15] Speaker 5: longer polling as a major party.
[25:18] Speaker 4: Who will they back.
[25:19] Speaker 5: To form government in this nation? If you lease one
[25:23] Speaker 5: nation when it's been the Greens in the past, how
[25:25] Speaker 5: do you explain that? Michael Kroger, what are your answers
[25:28] Speaker 5: to the public about whether you agree with one nation's policies?
[25:32] Speaker 1: No, Look, it's very easy.
[25:34] Speaker 9: Their policies are preferable to yours. You'll go second last
[25:37] Speaker 9: and the Greens will go last. They're a toxic and
[25:40] Speaker 9: antismitic party. We're not having a bar of them. And
[25:43] Speaker 9: you've basically bankrupted Australia. You're bankrupting Victoria. It's a crime
[25:47] Speaker 9: capital down here to think we put the Labor Party
[25:49] Speaker 9: in Victoria the next day election ahead of one nation,
[25:52] Speaker 9: you'd have to be joking, you've left this place.
[25:55] Speaker 1: It's a smoldering reckon a ruin down here.
[25:57] Speaker 9: So to sort of try and shame the little parting
[26:00] Speaker 9: thinking that you'd be warranting a voter ahead of one nation,
[26:04] Speaker 9: you've got rocks in your head that certainly won't be
[26:06] Speaker 9: happening down here.
[26:07] Speaker 2: But also, does that mean, because of course Labor generally
[26:10] Speaker 2: preferences the Greens, that you agree with all of their policies.
[26:13] Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think Labor does preference deals in
[26:16] Speaker 5: a range of areas that are up to Labour's head offers.
[26:18] Speaker 5: But I've certainly never seen in my time Labor putting
[26:23] Speaker 5: one nation above any of the major parties.
[26:27] Speaker 4: Indeed, typically where.
[26:28] Speaker 8: Ever I would put.
[26:32] Speaker 5: Party on the right, Well, that's an incredibly principled position
[26:34] Speaker 5: that we've taken, not just because they're a party on
[26:37] Speaker 5: the right calib but because they're a party that spreads division,
[26:40] Speaker 5: spreads hatreds, spreads negativity, and doesn't have real answers to
[26:45] Speaker 5: the really difficult public policy questions the people to one
[26:49] Speaker 5: so well, I mean, look, I think that's the matter
[26:52] Speaker 5: for all politicians to have a think about, and all
[26:55] Speaker 5: people in public life.
[26:56] Speaker 3: To including labor.
[26:57] Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, to have a think about and to people
[27:00] Speaker 5: and to see what their concerns are. I can understand
[27:03] Speaker 5: that people feel very frustrated with the set of global
[27:06] Speaker 5: circumstances and the uncertainty that we find ourselves in. I
[27:10] Speaker 5: personally don't think that one nation is the answer because
[27:13] Speaker 5: when you look at their policies, they will make so
[27:16] Speaker 5: many Australians worse off. In their taxation policies, in their
[27:20] Speaker 5: migration policies, in a range of their policies, they will
[27:24] Speaker 5: destroy industries and they will make Australia worse off.
[27:26] Speaker 4: And so I think it's.
[27:28] Speaker 5: Really important to imagine what Australia would look like under
[27:31] Speaker 5: one nation. It would look worse off than the other
[27:35] Speaker 5: major parties.
[27:36] Speaker 2: My people are feeling worse off now and that's fundamentally
[27:38] Speaker 2: why they're looking towards one nation. Obviously, Michael, in your
[27:42] Speaker 2: state of Victoria, people are seemingly now looking away from
[27:45] Speaker 2: the government after all this time. It's amazing to think,
[27:49] Speaker 2: you know, Daniel Andrews lasted all that time, and then
[27:51] Speaker 2: Justiner Allen after him.
[27:53] Speaker 3: Maybe the wills are finally falling off.
[27:55] Speaker 2: Of course, we saw this pole on the front of
[27:57] Speaker 2: the Herald Sun today and I hope that it was
[27:59] Speaker 2: done by Freshwater. And they did the Liberal Party's polling
[28:03] Speaker 2: at the federal election and that was not accurate. But anyway,
[28:06] Speaker 2: leaving that aside, they're saying that it would be fifty
[28:09] Speaker 2: three forty seven the Coalition's way if there were a
[28:13] Speaker 2: state election today in Victoria. Notwithstanding what I said about Freshwater.
[28:20] Speaker 2: Does that ring true?
[28:21] Speaker 3: Markel?
[28:21] Speaker 2: I mean, it's just just because something just makes me think,
[28:27] Speaker 2: given that Andrews won that last election with an extra seat,
[28:32] Speaker 2: that you know, the polls could.
[28:33] Speaker 3: Say something today. But are we confident, No, we're not
[28:38] Speaker 3: over confident.
[28:38] Speaker 1: We're hopeful.
[28:39] Speaker 9: I mean, don't forget Peter Dutton was favored to win
[28:41] Speaker 9: in in Febary last year. The polls had him on
[28:44] Speaker 9: seventy four seventy two to seventy four seats in February,
[28:47] Speaker 9: and three months later we got walk So the polls
[28:49] Speaker 9: can change. And what's going to happen down here is
[28:51] Speaker 9: Ben Carroll's going to take over as premier. Center Allen
[28:55] Speaker 9: should resign. I mean talking about a selfish leader who
[28:58] Speaker 9: just wants to cling to her job. I mean, why
[29:00] Speaker 9: wouldn't you for six hundred thousand dollars a year. The
[29:03] Speaker 9: Labor Party's been very good to just center Allen and
[29:05] Speaker 9: it'd be time for her to hand over, but she
[29:07] Speaker 9: won't and she'll try and stay there for as long
[29:09] Speaker 9: as possible, And obviously she'd be.
[29:11] Speaker 1: Easier to beat.
[29:12] Speaker 9: So from the Liberal Party's point of view, it's better
[29:14] Speaker 9: she does stay there. But Ben Carroll will come in
[29:17] Speaker 9: and he'll offer free everything, like Elbow did at the
[29:19] Speaker 9: last election.
[29:20] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what damage you're doing to the Australian
[29:23] Speaker 1: or Victorian budget.
[29:23] Speaker 9: In this case, Ben Carroll will offer free public transport,
[29:27] Speaker 9: free everything, vouchers, free lunches, free meals, free buses, free everything,
[29:31] Speaker 9: and in a cost of living crisis. That's what got
[29:34] Speaker 9: Elbow over the line with such a big majority, despite
[29:37] Speaker 9: that damage it did to the deficit and the growing
[29:41] Speaker 9: Australian debt. So is the election overra and Victoria By
[29:44] Speaker 9: no means, By no means.
[29:46] Speaker 1: There's a long way to go. I mean six as
[29:51] Speaker 1: we learned from last year.
[29:52] Speaker 2: Made I mean they could offer free everything. The best
[29:54] Speaker 2: thing they could do is free people from the shackles
[29:57] Speaker 2: of the Victorian government. To be perfectly honest, But I mean,
[29:59] Speaker 2: I I hope that just Cinta Roland does stay there
[30:02] Speaker 2: right through to the election because it is probably the
[30:04] Speaker 2: best chance of defeating that government. But she if she
[30:07] Speaker 2: wants her party to win, surely she has to step aside.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Linda like she is by far the most unpopular premier
[30:16] Speaker 2: in the country by country mile.
[30:18] Speaker 3: Why would she persist when she's looking at stuff like this.
[30:22] Speaker 5: Well, I know you've discussed this, Kavin, but I certainly
[30:25] Speaker 5: think when other elected representatives come out and say things
[30:29] Speaker 5: that are sexist and misogynist against her and other women
[30:33] Speaker 5: in politics, you know that leaves people elected.
[30:37] Speaker 3: But who was elected? Who said it? Linda? What it was?
[30:40] Speaker 3: The ad was not from a politician, and.
[30:42] Speaker 4: Yet Paul and Hanson's in Dorset.
[30:43] Speaker 5: She said that she's refused to condemn it, which I
[30:47] Speaker 5: find incredibly disappointing.
[30:48] Speaker 2: Well, she said I've copped stuff as well. I mean,
[30:50] Speaker 2: that's a woman saying that.
[30:52] Speaker 5: Well, doesn't matter who it is. I don't think we
[30:54] Speaker 5: need to resort to negative personal attacks on people. I've
[30:58] Speaker 5: happily volunteered on this show for many years to come
[31:01] Speaker 5: on and debate you know everyone, there's really a person
[31:04] Speaker 5: on here that I agree with about anything. But I'm
[31:08] Speaker 5: really happy to give up my time and come on
[31:10] Speaker 5: here and debate the issues and the policies and not
[31:12] Speaker 5: be personal about it. And I think that's the same
[31:15] Speaker 5: respect that everybody deserves when they're debating ideas and putting
[31:19] Speaker 5: forward of view about the future of this country. I
[31:22] Speaker 5: don't tell Michael Kroger he's got rocks in his head.
[31:26] Speaker 4: In fact, I think he's very intelligent.
[31:27] Speaker 5: I just disagree with him about what should happen for
[31:30] Speaker 5: the future in our public policy. And I think it's
[31:33] Speaker 5: really important that we call out, particularly when women are
[31:36] Speaker 5: attacked in public life. I was devastated to see that
[31:40] Speaker 5: the Premier of Victoria was called out in such a
[31:43] Speaker 5: misogynist way this week.
[31:45] Speaker 4: It does hark back to the exact.
[31:46] Speaker 5: Language that we saw with Prime Minister Gaillard, and I
[31:50] Speaker 5: think it was rightly condemned by almost everybody on the
[31:54] Speaker 5: political spectrum, except for the Leader of One Nation, Senator Hanson.
[31:59] Speaker 4: I think again, this speaks to the character of One
[32:02] Speaker 4: Nation's party.
[32:03] Speaker 5: It speaks to what we want to see in public life,
[32:08] Speaker 5: and that voting for a party like One Nation who
[32:12] Speaker 5: doesn't believe in a contest of ideas, who only believes
[32:15] Speaker 5: in personal attacks and negativity, who backflip on policy like
[32:19] Speaker 5: we saw Barnaby Joyce doing just last week on this
[32:23] Speaker 5: very channel. These kinds of things are not in the
[32:27] Speaker 5: public interest.
[32:28] Speaker 8: Now.
[32:28] Speaker 5: People absolutely have their own vote, but they should use
[32:32] Speaker 5: it carefully and wisely. And when you've got a major
[32:34] Speaker 5: political leader attacking women just for being women, I think
[32:39] Speaker 5: it's important to call that out. We've got to have
[32:41] Speaker 5: a respectful debate in this country.
[32:43] Speaker 2: I'm not sure that one nation doesn't believe in the
[32:45] Speaker 2: contest of ideas, but Michael, this idea that it's an
[32:47] Speaker 2: attack on Jacinta Allen for being a woman.
[32:52] Speaker 9: So Caleb, the shocking hypocrisy of labor has no limits
[32:58] Speaker 9: for Gillard and our life to make a national story
[33:02] Speaker 9: of this. Where was Julia Gillard and just Ciner Allen
[33:06] Speaker 9: when Ciner Price was receiving death threats during the Voice referendum.
[33:13] Speaker 9: I didn't hear a word from Julia Gillard about threats
[33:16] Speaker 9: to kill Justiner Price. Yet, because some clown puts up
[33:20] Speaker 9: a billboard calling Justinra Allen a which this is a
[33:24] Speaker 9: national scandal, I didn't hear Julia Gillard or just Ciner
[33:29] Speaker 9: Allen admonish, is it Senator Glenn's searle. He's the Labor
[33:34] Speaker 9: senator in the Senate who said to Bridget Mackenzie in
[33:38] Speaker 9: a hearing, I'm going to cut you up. I'm going
[33:41] Speaker 9: to carve you up. He said to Mackenzie the.
[33:43] Speaker 1: Most vile, violent language.
[33:46] Speaker 9: I didn't hear them complain about that and defend Bridget
[33:49] Speaker 9: Mackenzie and condemn their senator.
[33:51] Speaker 1: I didn't hear just Ciner.
[33:54] Speaker 9: Allen or Julia Gillard defend Senator Linda Reynolds Senator Linda
[33:59] Speaker 9: Reynolds when she was being undermined and criticized and lied
[34:04] Speaker 9: about by Labor senators including Penny Wong and Katie Gallaher.
[34:09] Speaker 9: I didn't hear anyone rushed to the public defense of
[34:12] Speaker 9: the late Kimberly Kitchen in the Labor Party when she
[34:16] Speaker 9: was being undermined and abused by fellow Labor members of Parliament.
[34:26] Speaker 1: The shameless hypocrisy.
[34:28] Speaker 9: Of the Labor Party is such that if a Conservative
[34:31] Speaker 9: woman is being attacked, silence, If a Labor woman is
[34:36] Speaker 9: being attacked, all hell breaks loose. These people are just shamed.
[34:40] Speaker 9: Gillard is just a shameless hypocrite. I'm sorry to rush
[34:43] Speaker 9: out and say this is the worst thing she's seen
[34:46] Speaker 9: for years and terrible attack on women. Well, you know
[34:49] Speaker 9: they tried to they threatened to kill just Center Price,
[34:51] Speaker 9: and we heard nothing from Gillard. So I think the
[34:54] Speaker 9: less we hear from Julie Gillard on these types of
[34:56] Speaker 9: topics the better, because she's just an absolute hypocrite.
[34:59] Speaker 1: Quite friend.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Of course, it was the decisions of the Gillard government
[35:03] Speaker 2: that's made it harder to identify and court what a
[35:05] Speaker 2: woman actually is as well.
[35:06] Speaker 3: But what do you say to that, Linda.
[35:08] Speaker 5: Look, I think that just shows everything you need to show.
[35:12] Speaker 8: Right.
[35:12] Speaker 5: Michael Kroger has just again resorted to personal attacks on
[35:16] Speaker 5: labor women.
[35:17] Speaker 3: In order to I didn't hear it personal attack.
[35:19] Speaker 5: It's made a series of really nasty comments about former
[35:24] Speaker 5: Prime Minister Julia Gillard. I've been on this show multiple times.
[35:27] Speaker 5: You can just let me finish, Michael. I hope you
[35:29] Speaker 5: can show me that level of respect. I've been on
[35:34] Speaker 5: this show multiple times and defended multiple liberal and national
[35:39] Speaker 5: and conservative women against attacks from a whole range of people,
[35:43] Speaker 5: and I will continue to do that and I will
[35:44] Speaker 5: continue to call it out when I come on this show.
[35:47] Speaker 5: I often get threatened on social media. I've had threats
[35:51] Speaker 5: just this last week. So I do think in the
[35:54] Speaker 5: interests of everybody that we debate ideas, and that we
[35:58] Speaker 5: debate and have a robust debate about what's best.
[36:02] Speaker 4: For the future of this nation.
[36:04] Speaker 5: But I think when you resort to name calling in
[36:06] Speaker 5: personal attacks, no matter who it is in politics, and
[36:08] Speaker 5: no matter who delivers it, we should call that out
[36:11] Speaker 5: and stop it. I'll continue to do it across her
[36:13] Speaker 5: political spectrum. I hope you can do that too, muchel.
[36:17] Speaker 1: I have called it out. I've called that hypocrisy of
[36:19] Speaker 1: Julie Lard. I mean, did she.
[36:21] Speaker 4: Say helping her yet again?
[36:24] Speaker 9: Amazing by pointing out her dead silence, her dead silence
[36:29] Speaker 9: on when conservative women are attacked, she doesn't rush to
[36:32] Speaker 9: their public defense. Never ever heard her defend a conservative woman.
[36:37] Speaker 9: She wouldn't even defend Kimberly Kitchen. She didn't even make
[36:40] Speaker 9: any comments about the bullying of Kimberly Kitchen.
[36:44] Speaker 1: What did she say?
[36:45] Speaker 9: You know the other examples I've just given. We hear
[36:47] Speaker 9: nothing from left wing women. Everybody knows this now, this
[36:51] Speaker 9: is just all hypocrisy of labor. I mean, they're shameless hypocrites,
[36:56] Speaker 9: and everyone knows this now, I mean when when Linda
[37:01] Speaker 9: Reynolds was attacked brutally in the Senate, when lies were
[37:04] Speaker 9: told about Linda Reynolds, when she was put in hospital
[37:08] Speaker 9: because of the pressure she was under. Did we hear
[37:11] Speaker 9: Julia Gillard or Jasindra Allen come out and criticize labor
[37:15] Speaker 9: women and try and defend land.
[37:17] Speaker 1: No we didn't.
[37:18] Speaker 3: Now, I take your point, Mike. We're going to move on,
[37:20] Speaker 3: but I do take your point. Also.
[37:23] Speaker 2: Can I just say, and I know you said a
[37:25] Speaker 2: minute ago that you've been received threats before. If you're
[37:28] Speaker 2: the sort of person who sends threats to people, the
[37:32] Speaker 2: people you see on television or people in politics, no
[37:35] Speaker 2: matter what you think of their politics, please go and
[37:38] Speaker 2: put your head in a bucket of cold water and
[37:41] Speaker 2: leave it there for a while, Like we just should
[37:44] Speaker 2: be better than that, and you should be better than that.
[37:46] Speaker 2: And I want to talk about the ABC. Of course
[37:50] Speaker 2: you would have seen Linda the Boss Mark Scott today
[37:54] Speaker 2: defending the appointment of Grace Tame to a podcast.
[37:59] Speaker 3: Fugh Marx. Sorry, yes, we've got a little bit of
[38:01] Speaker 3: that here.
[38:02] Speaker 10: When we engaged her for the project, that was actually
[38:05] Speaker 10: some time ago, So it was before those particular comments
[38:09] Speaker 10: that were made, and it was certainly also before I
[38:13] Speaker 10: think the much quoted interview that she did with with
[38:16] Speaker 10: Hamish McDonald and Sydney Mornings or also made too.
[38:20] Speaker 2: Many blokes with Max in the name working at the ABC.
[38:22] Speaker 2: I got them mixed up before of us, of course
[38:24] Speaker 2: Mark Scott, and I'm not sure that washes Linda.
[38:28] Speaker 5: Look, I mean who the ABC hires and who's got
[38:30] Speaker 5: news hires for that matter.
[38:31] Speaker 4: You know, I think he's going to be a matter
[38:33] Speaker 4: for these media companies.
[38:34] Speaker 3: We're not publicly funded.
[38:36] Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's a job of politicians too,
[38:38] Speaker 5: even if they are publicly funded or not, lean in
[38:41] Speaker 5: and tell people who to hire and who not to hire.
[38:43] Speaker 5: I mean, I sit on a range of boards and
[38:45] Speaker 5: I'm certainly conscious that you know, my role is to
[38:49] Speaker 5: appoint one person with the board and that's the CEO,
[38:53] Speaker 5: not anyone under that.
[38:54] Speaker 4: And you know, I think the.
[38:55] Speaker 5: Same principle importantly applies in politics, especially to media organizations.
[38:59] Speaker 5: If we were all to go about and sack journalists
[39:02] Speaker 5: who we didn't like, or sack commentators who we didn't like,
[39:05] Speaker 5: if we were in elected politics, it would be a
[39:07] Speaker 5: terrible world. So I think it's important that all media
[39:11] Speaker 5: companies have the right to you know, integrity around who
[39:15] Speaker 5: they hire. Of course that comes with a code of ethics.
[39:18] Speaker 5: Of course, that comes with a standard, and that's got
[39:21] Speaker 5: to be applied without fear or favor. And so you know,
[39:24] Speaker 5: I'm confident the ABC has and will continue to do that.
[39:28] Speaker 4: Just a sky you know.
[39:29] Speaker 5: Does that might appropriate way, But I don't think it's
[39:33] Speaker 5: it's in anyone's interest for politicians to be commentating on
[39:37] Speaker 5: who to hire and fire in a media organization.
[39:39] Speaker 2: Only got thirty seconds, Michael. But the problem here is
[39:42] Speaker 2: it's publicly funded. We know what she said before. They
[39:44] Speaker 2: should just say we got it wrong.
[39:47] Speaker 9: They should have done that. They should have canceled her
[39:48] Speaker 9: com fame who denied women were raped on October seven
[39:55] Speaker 9: and that famous interview with Hamish McDonald on the ABC.
[39:58] Speaker 9: What have to Penny Wong's statement, we need to believe
[40:00] Speaker 9: all women. She said that in the Parliament the other
[40:03] Speaker 9: day we had a believable women. Well that doesn't apply
[40:05] Speaker 9: to Grace Tame who said that women Jewish women who
[40:08] Speaker 9: were raped were not raped. She wasn't there, she doesn't know.
[40:12] Speaker 9: She said, it's just propaganda. I mean, on that grounds alone,
[40:15] Speaker 9: she should have been that contract should have been terminated.
[40:18] Speaker 9: That's apart from her vile screeching into the microphone of
[40:21] Speaker 9: that demonstration. To globalize the indo farty, globalizing the indefat
[40:26] Speaker 9: mean to me means the mass killing of Jews.
[40:28] Speaker 1: That's what I think.
[40:29] Speaker 2: I know it's and the fact that here still talking
[40:33] Speaker 2: about is I think frankly ridiculous. Thank you both for
[40:36] Speaker 2: your time, Linda and Michael. We've run out of it.
[40:38] Speaker 2: I wish we had more of it, because it's been
[40:40] Speaker 2: a good Barney tonight. Now. You'd think the unpopularity of
[40:43] Speaker 2: the budget should be a boon for the coalition, but
[40:45] Speaker 2: it's just not happening. Shadow Teaser Tim Wilson up next,
[40:48] Speaker 2: I'll ask him why.
[40:54] Speaker 3: Taylor bonding for Paul this week.
[40:56] Speaker 2: I mean the extraordinary to think that the federal budget
[40:58] Speaker 2: was handed down nearly a month ago now and it
[41:01] Speaker 2: is still making front page news. We'll learn to discuss
[41:05] Speaker 2: plenty of that. Joining me now, Federal Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson.
[41:09] Speaker 2: Mister Wilson, good to see you. I think we could
[41:11] Speaker 2: fairly say that the federal government has had a stinker
[41:15] Speaker 2: on this budget. As I say, it's still front page
[41:18] Speaker 2: news every day. There's more and more coming out about
[41:21] Speaker 2: it and reaction to it. Why is it then that
[41:24] Speaker 2: that has not translated into support for you and your
[41:28] Speaker 2: party given in the latest News poll on the weekend,
[41:33] Speaker 2: you've actually gone backwards.
[41:37] Speaker 11: Well, what's clear is that Labour's budget is a stinker
[41:40] Speaker 11: and people are jumping off the Labor Party.
[41:42] Speaker 8: What we need to be very clear with.
[41:44] Speaker 11: The Australian people is not just what we're for, but
[41:47] Speaker 11: who we're for and fighting for the future of the country.
[41:51] Speaker 11: We don't have time to waste and we need to
[41:53] Speaker 11: be very clear about outlining our policy program with an
[41:56] Speaker 11: animating vision that excites austral into about a better future,
[42:00] Speaker 11: one that's built on hope.
[42:02] Speaker 2: But are you worried that that message is not cutting
[42:04] Speaker 2: through or that it's not there enough yet? I mean,
[42:07] Speaker 2: clearly there is a movement, but it all seems to
[42:09] Speaker 2: be going towards one nation, not to the coalition.
[42:12] Speaker 3: When you know, really you've been handed a free kick.
[42:17] Speaker 11: We've been handed a free kickbot in one sense by
[42:20] Speaker 11: the Labor Party, but that's because they betrayed the Australian
[42:24] Speaker 11: community and we need to be the agents of trust
[42:27] Speaker 11: and hope for the future of Australia. And until we
[42:31] Speaker 11: are out there prosecuting that consistently day by day, and
[42:36] Speaker 11: it will take time, and it will take time to
[42:38] Speaker 11: rebuild a sense of trust about who we are and
[42:41] Speaker 11: who we're fighting for. Then I can see a pathway.
[42:44] Speaker 11: I can see a pathway to us forming government after
[42:46] Speaker 11: the next election.
[42:48] Speaker 8: But it's going to take time. Nothing is going to
[42:50] Speaker 8: happen overnight.
[42:51] Speaker 2: But do you think you're adequately prosecuting that message at
[42:54] Speaker 2: the moment? I mean, if you can see the pathway,
[42:57] Speaker 2: are you on it yet?
[43:00] Speaker 11: We're on the pathway, but I think there's a long
[43:02] Speaker 11: way to go, and I think that we need to
[43:03] Speaker 11: both release more policies. It needs to be part of
[43:06] Speaker 11: a very clear, consistent, animating vision of where we want
[43:09] Speaker 11: to take the country. People need to hear that, and
[43:12] Speaker 11: we need to build out not just the content or
[43:14] Speaker 11: the message, but also the channels to get there. And
[43:18] Speaker 11: none of that is going to be a task that's
[43:19] Speaker 11: done overnight.
[43:21] Speaker 2: I take that point, but I suppose it's one thing
[43:23] Speaker 2: to get them to understand what you're saying, But how
[43:26] Speaker 2: do you then get them to say, well, i'd rather
[43:28] Speaker 2: vote for you over one Nation, because at the moment
[43:31] Speaker 2: that seems very much to be where people are parking
[43:34] Speaker 2: that vote if they're either not happy with the government
[43:38] Speaker 2: or they're not happy with you.
[43:42] Speaker 11: Well, I think that's why it's so important to be
[43:44] Speaker 11: focused on a more hopeful future, a future where Australians
[43:48] Speaker 11: feel like hard work pays off, where they're in control
[43:51] Speaker 11: of their own lives and they feel a basic sense
[43:53] Speaker 11: of respect. Australians are in despair right now under the
[43:57] Speaker 11: Alban Ezy government. They're despairing at the state of the
[44:00] Speaker 11: country and the fact that frankly we lost the last election.
[44:03] Speaker 11: People are still despairing of that because they don't want
[44:05] Speaker 11: to see that repeated. They need confidence, trust and hope
[44:09] Speaker 11: for a better future through a liberal vision built on
[44:13] Speaker 11: a blue liberal horizon of hope.
[44:15] Speaker 2: Of course, we talk about how you get there, and
[44:17] Speaker 2: one of the things that's been discussed today is the
[44:19] Speaker 2: possibility of a preference deal between the Coalition and One Nation.
[44:25] Speaker 2: Your leader Angus Taylor addressed this question earlier.
[44:29] Speaker 3: Take a look.
[44:30] Speaker 1: Coalition swapping preferences with one Nation.
[44:32] Speaker 4: Is this something that you've up failed.
[44:34] Speaker 9: Well, we'll work with others to get rid of a
[44:37] Speaker 9: rotten labor government.
[44:38] Speaker 1: I mean, people are angry.
[44:41] Speaker 2: Which I think is a fair point, and of course,
[44:42] Speaker 2: your federal president today Tony Abbot said, as a general rule,
[44:46] Speaker 2: it makes sense for parties of the right to preference
[44:48] Speaker 2: each other, just as parties of the left have always done.
[44:52] Speaker 2: Would you support an official preference deal between the Liberal
[44:55] Speaker 2: Party or the coalition and one nation.
[45:00] Speaker 11: We will make decisions about that at the appropriate time,
[45:02] Speaker 11: once we know who the candidates are. I saw last
[45:05] Speaker 11: week that Pauline Hanson was out there talking about extremists
[45:09] Speaker 11: infiltrating her party. They're not my words, they're her words,
[45:11] Speaker 11: and so we need to be mindful to make sure
[45:14] Speaker 11: that when we're fighting for the future of the country,
[45:16] Speaker 11: we're giving people a sense of confidence and hope about
[45:18] Speaker 11: what we're going to build, and that we're in a
[45:20] Speaker 11: position to win as many votes primary.
[45:23] Speaker 8: Votes as possible.
[45:25] Speaker 11: But we always need to be mindful which candidates are
[45:27] Speaker 11: on the ballot and whether we ultimately want to preference them.
[45:31] Speaker 8: And I'm sure they feel the same way.
[45:32] Speaker 11: I mean, according to newspapers, mss Hanson's already basically decided
[45:36] Speaker 11: she wants me gone, so she's made a decisions.
[45:39] Speaker 8: She wants labor and the probably the teal in Goldstein.
[45:42] Speaker 8: That's her choice.
[45:43] Speaker 11: I think that's rather strange because if you're going to
[45:46] Speaker 11: have an arrangement, you've got to somehow kind of make
[45:48] Speaker 11: sure that Liberals get elected.
[45:50] Speaker 2: So you would be pushing, presumably in your electorate not
[45:54] Speaker 2: to do a deal with one nation, but you'd be
[45:56] Speaker 2: open to it and perhaps other electrics if you thought
[45:58] Speaker 2: the candidates were worthy.
[46:02] Speaker 8: Well, let's wait and say on all these things.
[46:04] Speaker 11: I'm not going to give commitments today about where things
[46:06] Speaker 11: are and where things are going to be in two
[46:08] Speaker 11: years time, because, as Pauline Hansen herself has said, her
[46:12] Speaker 11: party is being infiltrated by.
[46:13] Speaker 8: Extremists and she's had to expel a number of them.
[46:16] Speaker 8: We need to be mindful of that.
[46:17] Speaker 11: I'm trusting her words that that is what is happening,
[46:21] Speaker 11: and so we just need to make sure that when
[46:23] Speaker 11: it comes to the candidates and the movement that it
[46:25] Speaker 11: doesn't become something that is very distressing for Australians.
[46:29] Speaker 2: Just coming back to the economy, we've seen that the
[46:31] Speaker 2: NAB today saying that they expect the next move would
[46:34] Speaker 2: be a rate decrease, not an increase probably from the
[46:37] Speaker 2: RBA and Westpac has also put out its consumer index
[46:41] Speaker 2: today which has gone backwards significantly. It's one of the
[46:45] Speaker 2: lowest results they've had in the fifty years that they've
[46:48] Speaker 2: been doing this survey. And particularly one of the things
[46:51] Speaker 2: that's found is that people don't see housing as a
[46:55] Speaker 2: safe place to put their money anymore. That has to
[46:59] Speaker 2: be reflection on federal budget.
[47:03] Speaker 8: It's absolutely a reflection on the federal budget.
[47:06] Speaker 11: The federal budget is basically trying to crash the Australian economy.
[47:09] Speaker 11: This is Jim Chalmer's legacy. He's got an active inflation agenda.
[47:13] Speaker 11: He's pouring debt petrol on the inflation fire. So Australian
[47:16] Speaker 11: households are not just losing in real wages every time
[47:20] Speaker 11: they go to the supermarket, they're getting less in their
[47:22] Speaker 11: red basket, all their trolley. And now, of course the
[47:24] Speaker 11: federal budget is coming along to try and smash up
[47:27] Speaker 11: other parts of the economy. Small business has already had
[47:30] Speaker 11: record insolvencies. Now they're being actively disincentivized from getting ahead.
[47:35] Speaker 11: So the consumer confidence, small business confidence is a big
[47:39] Speaker 11: net negative for the federal budget.
[47:42] Speaker 2: Indeed, and people feel like things are going to get
[47:44] Speaker 2: worse before they get better. And as we know, we're
[47:47] Speaker 2: in a per capita GDP recession as well, so things
[47:51] Speaker 2: aren't looking good. Tim Wilson, great to see you as always,
[47:53] Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. All right, coming up after
[47:55] Speaker 2: the break the Late Debate not too far away, and
[47:57] Speaker 2: I'll have my final word before we go.
[47:59] Speaker 3: Don't go away now, don't you whether you remember?
[48:07] Speaker 2: And when they had the state election in South Australia
[48:09] Speaker 2: in March, they had all this trouble of ballots going
[48:14] Speaker 2: missing and then they were just sort of finding boxes
[48:16] Speaker 2: full of votes, and then they were worried they wouldn't
[48:19] Speaker 2: be able to finalize the results of the Upper House
[48:22] Speaker 2: before they were meant to sit. Well, it's all been
[48:24] Speaker 2: such a problem that the Electoral Commissioner in South Australia,
[48:28] Speaker 2: Mick Sherry, has gone on personal leave and has not
[48:32] Speaker 2: come back following the election. And now the Electoral Commission
[48:35] Speaker 2: which is meant to administer council elections in November, since
[48:40] Speaker 2: it wants to delay them by six months. You have
[48:43] Speaker 2: one job to administer elections and you can't even do
[48:47] Speaker 2: that right for goodness sake, is the Late Debate

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.