# Paul Murray Live | 6 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 6 Nov 2025, 50 min.

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Economic future is looking grim under Labor, Liberals recalled to parliament to bicker over net zero. Plus, one in three Australians experience food insecurity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you,
[0:06] Speaker 1: cherry mate. Welcome to the last show of the week.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Remember we're also here on Sunday nights as well for
[0:12] Speaker 1: the first bite at what is going to be a
[0:14] Speaker 1: very big news week ahead. Lots to talk about in
[0:17] Speaker 1: the man Cave this evening, including whom is the winner
[0:19] Speaker 1: and loser of the week. But obviously we've got to
[0:21] Speaker 1: get down to the lives finally say they are going
[0:24] Speaker 1: to well, not by this time next week, but not
[0:27] Speaker 1: this Sunday, but next Sunday. Finally get to a position
[0:29] Speaker 1: when it comes to net zero, the ups, the downs,
[0:31] Speaker 1: the pros, the cons, all of that. Tonight, we're going
[0:34] Speaker 1: to have to continue the pressure here to make sure
[0:37] Speaker 1: that all of the stuff that's about to change for
[0:40] Speaker 1: social media, which is good because it's going to keep
[0:42] Speaker 1: kids off, it keeps them away from bullies and creeps.
[0:44] Speaker 1: But what about the world of gaming. There's a lot
[0:47] Speaker 1: of bad news there. We'll get to that. And still
[0:49] Speaker 1: on technology AI. Now it's fun when it comes to
[0:53] Speaker 1: making stupid pictures. I certainly know that it's good for
[0:56] Speaker 1: answering the odd question, but we also know that it
[0:58] Speaker 1: is going to potentially mate Australia's working population. The types
[1:03] Speaker 1: of jobs that people literally have only just qualified from
[1:06] Speaker 1: UNI four look like they're in the gun, but no
[1:08] Speaker 1: one wants to talk about it. I wonder why. But first,
[1:12] Speaker 1: as you know, I'm rather fond of the concept that
[1:14] Speaker 1: is the triangle of dependence. Put simply, how does the
[1:19] Speaker 1: Labor Party stay in power? How does it find a
[1:22] Speaker 1: way to go from being the government to the party
[1:26] Speaker 1: of government where no one would ever think about changing
[1:28] Speaker 1: the system. Well, if the majority of the people currently
[1:32] Speaker 1: get welfare from government, tick, that's what's happening. If a
[1:35] Speaker 1: significant number of people work for the government, tick, Or
[1:40] Speaker 1: billions of dollars in business where the federal government is
[1:44] Speaker 1: your biggest client, for example, say Optus has got more
[1:47] Speaker 1: than a billion dollars worth of government contracts, nobody rocks
[1:51] Speaker 1: the boat. And on the employment side of the triangle,
[1:56] Speaker 1: we learned today by the Bureau of Statistics about just
[1:58] Speaker 1: how big the Australian public services, but not just at
[2:01] Speaker 1: the federal level, at all potential levels. The ABS today
[2:06] Speaker 1: again put out the numbers and they read as this,
[2:10] Speaker 1: there are three hundred and eighty five thousand people who
[2:13] Speaker 1: work for the commonwealth public service, that is up by
[2:16] Speaker 1: more than a football stadium of people in just one year.
[2:21] Speaker 1: At the state level, one point nine million people get
[2:24] Speaker 1: their wage from the government. Yes, at that level we're
[2:27] Speaker 1: talking about teachers and cops, but still one point nine
[2:31] Speaker 1: million people around the country. In a country of twenty
[2:34] Speaker 1: seven million, we're only about sixteen minion of voting. And unbelievably,
[2:39] Speaker 1: there are two hundred and eighteen thousand people who actually
[2:42] Speaker 1: work for local government. Now that too has gone up
[2:46] Speaker 1: by seven and a half thousand. So at the federal level,
[2:49] Speaker 1: up by a football stadium and even bigger football stadium
[2:53] Speaker 1: at the state government and almost sort of a new
[2:56] Speaker 1: suburb worth of people at the local level. All of
[3:00] Speaker 1: this costs money. It costs forty billion dollars b four
[3:06] Speaker 1: billion dollars to pay for the public servants. At the
[3:10] Speaker 1: commonwealth level, that's up by three and a half billion
[3:13] Speaker 1: dollars in just one year. It's one hundred and ninety
[3:17] Speaker 1: one billion dollars. At the state level that's up by
[3:23] Speaker 1: thirteen billion. And as you can see, unbelievably seventeen billion
[3:28] Speaker 1: dollars is spent by the local councils of this country
[3:32] Speaker 1: employing the people who worked for local councils, including as
[3:34] Speaker 1: we showed you before, many of the people who run
[3:36] Speaker 1: the councils who earn more money than state or federal
[3:38] Speaker 1: MPs that is up by billion dollars. That's what I
[3:45] Speaker 1: talk about when I talk about the triangle of dependence.
[3:49] Speaker 1: And every time they turn up the welfare dial, where
[3:52] Speaker 1: now almost forty percent of the federal budget is handed
[3:56] Speaker 1: out on welfare. And if they keeping employing, employing, and
[4:00] Speaker 1: any suggestions about limiting the number of people being employed,
[4:03] Speaker 1: or god forbid, actually cutting that a little bit, well
[4:05] Speaker 1: that's mass panic and nobody wants to upset the government.
[4:09] Speaker 1: So when it comes to this federal government, part of
[4:12] Speaker 1: their culture of secrecy is that even if you're a
[4:15] Speaker 1: business dealing with the government, you have to sign an
[4:17] Speaker 1: NDA to talk about the negotiations. That's the triangle of dependence.
[4:21] Speaker 1: That's how labour stays in power for a very long time.
[4:26] Speaker 1: They did it and continue to do it in Victoria,
[4:28] Speaker 1: so much so that there is very little chance of
[4:31] Speaker 1: a change of government there, no matter how many failures
[4:33] Speaker 1: that there have been. It's the same now in Western Australia,
[4:37] Speaker 1: when that labor government has produced some horrible results, including
[4:41] Speaker 1: the bloke who helped ruin the hospital system was eventually
[4:44] Speaker 1: rewarded and became the premier. Now there are new governments
[4:48] Speaker 1: in Queensland and South Australia, and even sometimes when it's
[4:51] Speaker 1: a Liberal government, they all still follow this theory. And
[4:55] Speaker 1: of course all of that has to be paid for.
[4:57] Speaker 1: All of it has to be paid for by state budgets,
[4:59] Speaker 1: all of which are in deficit, a federal budget which
[5:04] Speaker 1: is in one trillion dollars worth of debt. So yeah,
[5:07] Speaker 1: I'm going to keep talking about it because I'm going
[5:09] Speaker 1: to show you every chance I get about how labor
[5:13] Speaker 1: gets it what it wants, how the triangle works, and
[5:16] Speaker 1: how the triangle gets stronger as a result of labor
[5:20] Speaker 1: governments reinforcing what will eventually be more than fifty percent
[5:23] Speaker 1: of the Australian population. And then unless you are going
[5:27] Speaker 1: to be some version of labor light, and I'm not
[5:29] Speaker 1: arguing for labor light, but unless you're willing to also
[5:33] Speaker 1: agree to increase the size of the triangle, you're not
[5:36] Speaker 1: going to get a chance to win. Ever. Now, as
[5:41] Speaker 1: you have heard, the Liberals are about to make their
[5:43] Speaker 1: decision when it comes to net zero. Now it's pretty
[5:47] Speaker 1: obvious which way this thing is going to go for
[5:49] Speaker 1: a whole collection of different reasons. But the news broke
[5:52] Speaker 1: this afternoon that they are going to go through a process. Now,
[5:55] Speaker 1: presumably they could have had a vote this week, and
[5:57] Speaker 1: everyone who will believe what they believe at the end
[5:59] Speaker 1: of the process believe what they believe at the beginning
[6:02] Speaker 1: of the process. But here is Trudy McIntosh explaining it
[6:05] Speaker 1: from our Canberra bureau. She was first with the News
[6:07] Speaker 1: and World under her got.
[6:09] Speaker 2: The timeline here of when the Liberals and the Coalition
[6:11] Speaker 2: potentially could finally reach this position on net zero. MPs
[6:15] Speaker 2: will be recalled back to Parliament Liberal ones next Wednesday
[6:19] Speaker 2: for this special party room meeting Wednesday at midday to
[6:22] Speaker 2: discuss a set of principles for their endorsement when it
[6:25] Speaker 2: comes to the energy policy. They'll be able to ask questions.
[6:28] Speaker 2: Dan Tee in there and also the Federal Director of
[6:30] Speaker 2: the party with a briefing on what the research is
[6:33] Speaker 2: telling them. The following day, the Thursday, at nine am,
[6:35] Speaker 2: there'll be a full Liberal Shadow Ministry meeting to lock
[6:39] Speaker 2: in the Liberal position. From there, three representatives from the Libs,
[6:43] Speaker 2: three from the nationals will be meeting over the course
[6:45] Speaker 2: of a few days to try and find a consensus
[6:48] Speaker 2: within the coalition when it comes to net zero. Then
[6:50] Speaker 2: finally Sunday the sixteenth, there'll be a virtual joint party
[6:54] Speaker 2: room meeting to endorse or potentially not endorse what is
[6:58] Speaker 2: that consensus position.
[7:00] Speaker 1: Now I understand the process, but one of the problems
[7:02] Speaker 1: with process is that next week you will virtually hear
[7:06] Speaker 1: from no one in the government. The obsession of the
[7:08] Speaker 1: six PM news and all of the people who talk
[7:11] Speaker 1: about politics for a living is going to be about
[7:13] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party process. And we're going to hear this
[7:15] Speaker 1: one who wants to go this way, and this one
[7:17] Speaker 1: who wants to go that way, and essentially the entire process,
[7:21] Speaker 1: and just like putting legislation together is like putting a
[7:23] Speaker 1: sausage together, no one wants to see the ingredients. All
[7:27] Speaker 1: of it will be on ugly display for an entire week,
[7:31] Speaker 1: and again the resolution does not happen by the end
[7:33] Speaker 1: of the week, there is the potential of the whole
[7:36] Speaker 1: thing blowing up, not this Sunday, but next Sunday. This
[7:40] Speaker 1: is exactly what the government wants. Now I know that
[7:44] Speaker 1: probably the majority of people watching right now, they would agree,
[7:47] Speaker 1: they would want the coalition to drop net zero for
[7:50] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of reasons that have been well argued
[7:52] Speaker 1: by people far smarter than me. And you understand that
[7:56] Speaker 1: I don't believe that where the government is going is
[7:58] Speaker 1: exactly the place we have to be. But when this
[8:01] Speaker 1: process is going to play out, how this process is
[8:04] Speaker 1: going to play out, The Labor Party is going to
[8:06] Speaker 1: do this every single day, and it doesn't matter how
[8:09] Speaker 1: big the lie is, it will be echoed in the press,
[8:13] Speaker 1: not just for a week, but for more than a week.
[8:17] Speaker 3: So while the Liberals and the Nationals are obsessed with
[8:20] Speaker 3: their internal arguments over net zero, they've got mid zero
[8:24] Speaker 3: to say when it comes to skilling Australians for the
[8:27] Speaker 3: jobs of the future.
[8:28] Speaker 4: We accept the views of ninety seven percent of the
[8:31] Speaker 4: world's scientists.
[8:32] Speaker 5: The L and P appears to think they know better.
[8:34] Speaker 5: They are divided, they are divisive, they are delusional, and
[8:38] Speaker 5: that's why they're in disarray.
[8:40] Speaker 3: And in banditing that zero, the National Party had betrayed
[8:44] Speaker 3: regional Australia.
[8:46] Speaker 1: Now, as we know, the Nats have already made their decision,
[8:49] Speaker 1: and I pointed out to you on Sunday night when
[8:52] Speaker 1: they made the decision. It was really important to remember
[8:56] Speaker 1: that part of their decision of getting rid of near
[8:58] Speaker 1: zero wasn't climate change doesn't existent, need to do anything
[9:00] Speaker 1: about it now. That is the central live to the
[9:03] Speaker 1: Labor Party and the left and the media will focus
[9:09] Speaker 1: on because the Prime Minister has distilled it down to
[9:11] Speaker 1: an absurd point, which is, unless you believe in NED
[9:14] Speaker 1: zero by twenty fifty, you don't believe in climate change. Well,
[9:16] Speaker 1: of course, the reality is that Australia is one percent
[9:20] Speaker 1: of the world's problem. So even if we get there
[9:21] Speaker 1: by twenty fifty, China that can pump into the air
[9:25] Speaker 1: what we do, they can in two weeks what we
[9:27] Speaker 1: do in an entire year. Their net zero doesn't kicking
[9:30] Speaker 1: down until twenty sixty. The Paris Agreement, which locks countries
[9:34] Speaker 1: like Australia into twenty thirty, does not apply to countries
[9:36] Speaker 1: like China because of course they're developing nations despite the
[9:40] Speaker 1: fact that they've got a space station. The United States
[9:45] Speaker 1: is out of it, India, Russia not doing much, and
[9:47] Speaker 1: the Third World because they're developing countries basically half of
[9:50] Speaker 1: the world. None of the rules apply. But in Australia.
[9:54] Speaker 1: The reality of politics and every single poll that all
[9:56] Speaker 1: of us have seen before the last election and after
[9:59] Speaker 1: the Lane US election is that there is a threshold
[10:02] Speaker 1: to entry, which is that in Australia every party needs
[10:06] Speaker 1: to have some position about how to deal with climate change. Now,
[10:10] Speaker 1: the absurd position is that Australia can single handedly fix it,
[10:14] Speaker 1: or even if we do every single thing that is
[10:16] Speaker 1: a green dream, we will be able to fix the
[10:18] Speaker 1: climate that ninety nine percent of the rest of the
[10:21] Speaker 1: globe is also sending our way. But the political reality
[10:28] Speaker 1: is that if they decide to get rid of it
[10:30] Speaker 1: zero by twenty fifty because they believe it is too onerous,
[10:34] Speaker 1: too expensive and it's causing trouble. Again, fine, fair enough,
[10:37] Speaker 1: let's have the debate, let's have the argument. The people
[10:40] Speaker 1: who believe that passionately say that the majority of Australians
[10:44] Speaker 1: can be turned onto that argument because that argument has
[10:47] Speaker 1: been one on the past. Again, I am not disputing
[10:49] Speaker 1: this as a political point, and difference in politics really matters.
[10:53] Speaker 1: But but but, but but one thing that cannot be
[10:57] Speaker 1: the result of this process is for the Liberal Party
[11:02] Speaker 1: to say when it comes to climate change. Now, Roscadell
[11:07] Speaker 1: who's the bloke who helped convince the National Party through
[11:10] Speaker 1: his reporting and the evidence to get to the no
[11:12] Speaker 1: net zero. Well we'll have a chat with him a
[11:14] Speaker 1: little bit later tonight, because again I want to dig
[11:17] Speaker 1: a little deeper and while very few people outside of
[11:20] Speaker 1: the conversation we're going to have here will actually hear it. Remember,
[11:23] Speaker 1: the National Party position may be known to net zero,
[11:26] Speaker 1: but it still has a climate position, which is we
[11:29] Speaker 1: need to cut emissions. We just don't need to cut
[11:31] Speaker 1: them at the same speed when bigger polluters are not
[11:34] Speaker 1: cut fine. My suggestion is is that during this week
[11:37] Speaker 1: long process, if the Libs are going to get rid
[11:40] Speaker 1: of NED zero, then they have to come up with
[11:41] Speaker 1: a couple of concrete examples of what are the types
[11:44] Speaker 1: of things that they would do to deal with it.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Not to solve climate change because Australia can't, but how
[11:49] Speaker 1: to deal with it. Are they going to have a
[11:51] Speaker 1: policy that's going to help people feel better that live
[11:54] Speaker 1: in areas that whether you can't afford your insurance because
[11:57] Speaker 1: of flood and fire because insurance companies believe really wildely've
[12:02] Speaker 1: got to do something about ninzero, or somehow premiums keep
[12:04] Speaker 1: going up. I'll break the news to your kids. They're
[12:06] Speaker 1: always going to put premiums up because that's what they do.
[12:10] Speaker 1: What about coming up with a system about greater resilience?
[12:14] Speaker 1: Why not employ I think it's Jackie Lamby's idea, which
[12:17] Speaker 1: is some sort of not quite the army but not
[12:20] Speaker 1: quite the sees, some sort of standing service that is
[12:22] Speaker 1: able to respond to natural disasters. What about promising to
[12:26] Speaker 1: plant a billion trees? To me, the slogan is just
[12:31] Speaker 1: the slogan, but the slogan is also backed in by
[12:35] Speaker 1: law that the Senate would have to overturn. And in
[12:38] Speaker 1: the same way, the Senate would not overturn a ban
[12:42] Speaker 1: on even having a look in a nuclear energy. They
[12:45] Speaker 1: would not pass a bill that would let us off
[12:48] Speaker 1: the commitments of this current government until the numbers in
[12:51] Speaker 1: the Senate change. That's the political reality. Now you've got
[12:55] Speaker 1: most of the media, most of the establishment, most of
[12:58] Speaker 1: business that seems to be fine with what the government
[13:02] Speaker 1: is doing. The chance series is the majority of the
[13:05] Speaker 1: Australian population onto the idea that even if we do
[13:08] Speaker 1: everything that they want to do, it doesn't actually move
[13:12] Speaker 1: the dial. And bizarrely, when you say that, you referred
[13:15] Speaker 1: to as a climate change denier. Have you heard anything
[13:18] Speaker 1: in what I've just had to say that appears anywhere
[13:20] Speaker 1: to be a climate change denyer. I'm a climate change realist,
[13:24] Speaker 1: which is, can you have seven billion people on the
[13:26] Speaker 1: planet and not change the planet? No? Can you have
[13:29] Speaker 1: multiple industrial revolutions and not change the planet?
[13:32] Speaker 6: No?
[13:33] Speaker 1: But we're all going to die next week unless the
[13:36] Speaker 1: first world gives half of its money to the third world.
[13:39] Speaker 1: No is Australian going to be able to stop. And remember,
[13:43] Speaker 1: no politician is dumb enough to stand up and say,
[13:46] Speaker 1: if we do everything I say we should do, despite
[13:48] Speaker 1: the fact that I say the reason we should do
[13:49] Speaker 1: it is because of flood and fire. Not one of
[13:51] Speaker 1: them promises a reduction in flood and fire. So if
[13:56] Speaker 1: we're going to go over this for a week and
[13:57] Speaker 1: you're going to lose all the bark, they're going to
[13:59] Speaker 1: lose this week. I hope that if they get to
[14:02] Speaker 1: the position which seems to be the obvious one now,
[14:03] Speaker 1: which is they're going to get rid of it zero
[14:05] Speaker 1: for God's sake by next Sunday. I apologize. I know
[14:09] Speaker 1: people don't like when no blasphemed, but still, for goodness sake,
[14:12] Speaker 1: next Sunday, not this one, the next Sunday. They have
[14:15] Speaker 1: to be able to answer the question if a random
[14:18] Speaker 1: person walked up to in the street and say, so, what
[14:19] Speaker 1: is your position when it comes to climate change? What
[14:21] Speaker 1: are you going to do to fix it? What are
[14:22] Speaker 1: you going to do to make sure that we can
[14:24] Speaker 1: live with it and through it? Send the hate mail
[14:27] Speaker 1: to somebody else. I'm just being a realist. Right, look
[14:30] Speaker 1: at the scoreboard of the past couple of elections, and
[14:33] Speaker 1: I desperately want those scoreboards to look very, very differently.
[14:36] Speaker 1: But every poll, every piece of information says people under
[14:39] Speaker 1: the age of fifty this is right at the tippy top.
[14:44] Speaker 1: So even if you don't have the solution that they
[14:45] Speaker 1: may wish to vote for, you still have to have
[14:47] Speaker 1: a solution or guess what, they will never preference you.
[14:50] Speaker 1: And as the primary voter both major parties keeps going
[14:53] Speaker 1: down preferences. Now question time today, and I know a
[15:00] Speaker 1: couple of people are a bit critical of this, and
[15:02] Speaker 1: that's cool, but I liked that there was some frontloading
[15:06] Speaker 1: today in the Parliament talking about the Hunger Report. Now,
[15:10] Speaker 1: every single person you can see right there, except for
[15:13] Speaker 1: the public gallery, they've all got three pay rises since
[15:16] Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two election. These people are earning more
[15:19] Speaker 1: money than they've ever earned in their life. And yes,
[15:22] Speaker 1: they all sit there and pretend that they care about
[15:25] Speaker 1: the little people, and they have no doubt in the
[15:26] Speaker 1: hard hearts they do. I actually think that even the
[15:29] Speaker 1: people I most deeply disagree with, I still consider them
[15:33] Speaker 1: to be fundamentally decent. And nobody gets up wanting to
[15:36] Speaker 1: make the world worse. But the reality is that Australia
[15:40] Speaker 1: is worse at the moment, and it is worse because
[15:44] Speaker 1: there are a lot of people around the country who
[15:47] Speaker 1: run out of food each and every week. This is
[15:49] Speaker 1: not cool. This is not cool in a country where
[15:52] Speaker 1: so many of us pay so much tax, so many
[15:55] Speaker 1: of us have got it so good. So many of
[15:58] Speaker 1: us will of course spoil our family and friends between
[16:01] Speaker 1: now and Christmas. And I'm not saying you have to
[16:03] Speaker 1: cut back on any of this. But we've also got
[16:06] Speaker 1: a government that's willing to find a billion dollars to
[16:09] Speaker 1: host to climate change conference that's so important. The Prime
[16:13] Speaker 1: Minister won't be attending this year is one, and didn't
[16:16] Speaker 1: appear at last year's one, and didn't appear at the
[16:18] Speaker 1: one before that, but it's still really important and we
[16:21] Speaker 1: need to spend a billion dollars. This is really sad
[16:25] Speaker 1: reading and I've been doing a lot of it in
[16:26] Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours, and it is that hunger
[16:28] Speaker 1: report put together by the people at Food Bank, and
[16:32] Speaker 1: I've got the feeling that this organization is in some
[16:34] Speaker 1: ways being actively punished because people like myself, or maybe
[16:38] Speaker 1: because it's myself, talk constantly about the horror that this
[16:41] Speaker 1: report actually is in and if me shutting up somehow
[16:45] Speaker 1: result in an extra money, then guess what.
[16:48] Speaker 4: Zip.
[16:49] Speaker 1: But this report is even worse than what I told
[16:51] Speaker 1: you last night. One in three Australian households, that's nearly
[16:56] Speaker 1: three point five million means food insecurity in the past
[17:01] Speaker 1: twelve months. That means at some point they didn't know
[17:04] Speaker 1: where the meals were going to come from. And I
[17:08] Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of things that are bad
[17:10] Speaker 1: about the opposition of the moment tactically, but I like
[17:12] Speaker 1: the question that was asked because it's important and it's
[17:15] Speaker 1: not going to change election results and it's not going
[17:18] Speaker 1: to move the six PM news, But for goodness sake,
[17:20] Speaker 1: can there be just a little bit of pressure somewhere
[17:22] Speaker 1: someone trying to put pressure on the government that's got
[17:25] Speaker 1: all the money in the world and is willing to
[17:28] Speaker 1: borrow all the other money in the world when they
[17:31] Speaker 1: consider something to be important to do something about this issue,
[17:35] Speaker 1: which I think is more important than many food banks.
[17:40] Speaker 7: Twenty twenty five Hunger Report shockingly reveals that twenty percent
[17:45] Speaker 7: of Australian households are severely food insecure and that parents
[17:51] Speaker 7: are skipping meals so that their kids can eat. Prime Minister,
[17:55] Speaker 7: why are more Australians going hungry under labor?
[18:00] Speaker 1: And amazingly, the arrogance of the Prime Minister is that
[18:06] Speaker 1: this is how he answered the question. Now, this bloke
[18:10] Speaker 1: became the Prime Minister in part because Australians brought into
[18:14] Speaker 1: his story one about housing commission, one about not having
[18:17] Speaker 1: an awful lot of money. And now he's a person
[18:19] Speaker 1: who has lived by his own descriptions of difficult youth,
[18:24] Speaker 1: is in a position to be able to do something
[18:28] Speaker 1: to flood the zone, to make sure that the people
[18:30] Speaker 1: who are covered by this report, who are the recipients
[18:36] Speaker 1: of the care of people like food back that his
[18:40] Speaker 1: response is just not even to use the word The.
[18:45] Speaker 8: Modern Liberal Party is not so much a broad church
[18:48] Speaker 8: these days as a temple of doom. They talk everything
[18:52] Speaker 8: down each and every day. They vote against, They vote
[18:57] Speaker 8: against every single.
[18:59] Speaker 1: Cost that we put in place.
[19:03] Speaker 8: They argue that opposing tax cuts somehow doesn't make a
[19:06] Speaker 8: difference to the capacity.
[19:08] Speaker 4: Of people to get by.
[19:10] Speaker 8: They argue that cheaper medicines won't assist people to get
[19:15] Speaker 8: the healthcare that they need. They argue that free take
[19:21] Speaker 8: is something that people don't value.
[19:29] Speaker 1: Just compare the pair, right this report food Bank is
[19:35] Speaker 1: not some right wing organization. I think one of its
[19:39] Speaker 1: current bosseses are literally a former teal in the Federal
[19:42] Speaker 1: Parliament in New South Wales. People like John Robertson, a
[19:46] Speaker 1: lifelong union man and former labor leader. But compassion doesn't
[19:51] Speaker 1: have to be just something for the left, same as
[19:54] Speaker 1: strength isn't something automatically for the right. This is just
[19:57] Speaker 1: a flare that goes up that there are people that
[20:00] Speaker 1: are struggling and the Prime Minister doesn't even engage with
[20:04] Speaker 1: the thing they are struggling with. In fact, this report
[20:08] Speaker 1: even goes to some length to turn around and say, yeah,
[20:11] Speaker 1: thanks for all the other stuff, but guess what it
[20:13] Speaker 1: actually hasn't moved the needle on freeing up the money
[20:17] Speaker 1: so they can feed their family. There's a little more
[20:20] Speaker 1: I want to add to the quote that I just
[20:22] Speaker 1: read you. One in three Australian households nearly three point
[20:25] Speaker 1: five midion experienced food in security in the past twelve months.
[20:29] Speaker 1: This is an increase from last year's results. Despite targeted
[20:36] Speaker 1: government efforts such as one off energy bills subsidies, cost
[20:40] Speaker 1: of living remains the number one concern of eighty seven
[20:43] Speaker 1: percent of households who are dealing with food bank. It
[20:48] Speaker 1: jumps to ninety one percent for the families who have
[20:55] Speaker 1: this food insecurity. They're also increasingly concerned about the cost
[20:59] Speaker 1: of healthcare, which is up four percent at the same time.
[21:03] Speaker 1: So I'm not above begging and pleading for those who
[21:09] Speaker 1: have access to the funds to open them up to
[21:13] Speaker 1: help the charities around Australia that are the ones filling
[21:17] Speaker 1: the gap between an American style system of homelessness and
[21:23] Speaker 1: hunger and the government funded social safety net that means
[21:29] Speaker 1: we have things like unemployment benefits and care as pensions.
[21:37] Speaker 1: I do, not, for the life of me, see that
[21:41] Speaker 1: some people can be so dipped in politics that because
[21:44] Speaker 1: the question is coming from the side they don't agree with,
[21:47] Speaker 1: they won't give them a win, which means don't give
[21:50] Speaker 1: extra money to these resources. Don't even pretend that there
[21:55] Speaker 1: is a flare in the air that tells us that
[21:57] Speaker 1: many people are struggling. I know it's a repetitive point
[22:01] Speaker 1: to make, but what other point is there to make
[22:06] Speaker 1: that when your fellow citizen is struggling and you are
[22:09] Speaker 1: in a position to be able to advocate for them,
[22:11] Speaker 1: and you are in a position prime minister, ministers, labor
[22:15] Speaker 1: MPs to be able to actually help, but you don't
[22:19] Speaker 1: because somehow it'll be a wind for Team Blue. Again,
[22:23] Speaker 1: it's not about that. And if you think this stuff
[22:27] Speaker 1: is sort of wishy washy, sooky, bleeding heart stuff, again,
[22:32] Speaker 1: Compassion is not just for the left, it is for everyone.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Strength is not just for the right, it is for everyone.
[22:38] Speaker 1: Decency is obvious. And I am not haranguing you saying
[22:42] Speaker 1: that you have to empty your bank account to give
[22:44] Speaker 1: to those who don't have. Okay, we don't live in
[22:46] Speaker 1: that world, but to me, this is beyond common sense
[22:53] Speaker 1: and we are into a matter of decency. And again,
[22:56] Speaker 1: can I plead to any and everyone who has the
[22:58] Speaker 1: chance to so, asking questions about this, to please ask questions,
[23:02] Speaker 1: not to create political pressure. So Labor gets an l
[23:05] Speaker 1: and the Libs get a win, so that the people
[23:08] Speaker 1: who are hurting get a win. Because I thought we
[23:11] Speaker 1: were at a joint that cared about that. I really do,
[23:14] Speaker 1: and I still believe in it, and that's why I
[23:15] Speaker 1: mention it as frequently and as often as and repetitively
[23:18] Speaker 1: as I do. Because they don't have access to a microphone.
[23:24] Speaker 1: Speaking of to our mates who are concerned about the
[23:26] Speaker 1: world of age care, I'm meaning to get this for
[23:28] Speaker 1: a few days. But this is a frightening story. And
[23:32] Speaker 1: it is here that we know that Australians having to
[23:36] Speaker 1: wait longer to be assessed when it comes to age care,
[23:38] Speaker 1: having to wait longer to be able to get home packages,
[23:41] Speaker 1: to be able to stay in your homes. This is
[23:46] Speaker 1: more problems that exist with the agecare system. And never
[23:50] Speaker 1: forget the minister who prances around pretending to punish Optus
[23:53] Speaker 1: and I don't carry water for Optus? Was the agecare minister?
[23:56] Speaker 1: She stood there side by side, but the Prime Minister
[23:58] Speaker 1: pretending that everything was going to be fe What about
[24:00] Speaker 1: this story from the Herald Sun. A couple of days ago.
[24:03] Speaker 1: Older Rossies feel better off dead compared to life under
[24:09] Speaker 1: the New Age Care Act, the one that the previous
[24:12] Speaker 1: minister was so important in putting together. Older Australians say
[24:17] Speaker 1: they are better off dead after finding out that they
[24:20] Speaker 1: would be worse off under the new Age Care changes
[24:22] Speaker 1: which are coming in on Saturday. They came in last
[24:25] Speaker 1: Suday due to what feels like a money grabbing wrought
[24:28] Speaker 1: by providers. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. These
[24:32] Speaker 1: are the words from a lady called Judy Williams who
[24:35] Speaker 1: spoke to The Weekend Harold's son. She's seventy nine. She
[24:40] Speaker 1: said that people are so fed up that they are
[24:43] Speaker 1: talking about voluntary assisted dying in Facebook discussions. People are
[24:47] Speaker 1: going they just want us to die because if we
[24:50] Speaker 1: can't get enough care at home, we're going to end
[24:54] Speaker 1: up in hospital and then we'll block up the hospital
[24:56] Speaker 1: beds because there's a lot more there's not a lot
[25:01] Speaker 1: of sorry vacancies in residential care. These people are talking
[25:05] Speaker 1: about voluntary assisted dying. Now. I'm a person who has
[25:10] Speaker 1: supported the establishment of a system for all of us
[25:13] Speaker 1: to be able to go gently, and just because one
[25:16] Speaker 1: person wants to doesn't mean that everyone has to and
[25:19] Speaker 1: one person's right to say no does not mean somebody
[25:22] Speaker 1: else's right to say yes should be taken away. Back
[25:26] Speaker 1: to that compassion, that decency thing. But again, what does
[25:29] Speaker 1: it say about how indecent the system is? Where just
[25:31] Speaker 1: this again, I don't know anything about this lady other
[25:34] Speaker 1: than what I read, but this seventy nine year old
[25:36] Speaker 1: lady Judy is lifting the lid on what is being
[25:40] Speaker 1: said in private. The people are thinking about finishing up
[25:45] Speaker 1: because of how hard the system is to access for
[25:48] Speaker 1: you to be able to live for as long as
[25:50] Speaker 1: you can in the best quality of life as you can. Now,
[25:55] Speaker 1: we do have a new age care minister whose responsibility
[25:59] Speaker 1: and part is going to have to get on top
[26:00] Speaker 1: of this deal with all of this, but apparently state
[26:04] Speaker 1: ministers are not even willing to meet with him because
[26:06] Speaker 1: of the problems that are existing in this brand new system.
[26:09] Speaker 1: Can someone somewhere wake up, Can somewhere somewhere wake up
[26:14] Speaker 1: and fix this system? All right, let's talk about electric vehicles. Now,
[26:20] Speaker 1: what you know, I'm a petrol head, got to our
[26:21] Speaker 1: fashion cash up bogan, and I love cars, And I
[26:24] Speaker 1: also know that I don't have a problem with evs
[26:26] Speaker 1: you want to drive on. Good luck to you. I
[26:28] Speaker 1: certainly know they're pretty fancy. Sometimes I'm not all that
[26:30] Speaker 1: interested in the stuff that comes from China. But they
[26:32] Speaker 1: go pretty fast, they go pretty good, some of them
[26:34] Speaker 1: look pretty flash fine. Good. You do what you want
[26:36] Speaker 1: to do, well, guess what. I'm sure this was fun
[26:41] Speaker 1: to read in the Cydny Monting Herald's newsroom today. But
[26:44] Speaker 1: Australia's electric vehicle revolution stalls. Why because the sales are plummeted.
[26:48] Speaker 1: In fact, if you have a look, the only major
[26:50] Speaker 1: growth is in hybrids or plug in hybrids, you know,
[26:54] Speaker 1: the ones that end up attracting luxury car taxes because
[26:57] Speaker 1: of the little fiddles and changes there. But still people
[27:00] Speaker 1: want the option to be able to be able to
[27:02] Speaker 1: extend their tank of petrol for as long as possible.
[27:05] Speaker 1: And again remember one of the reasons why perhaps people
[27:08] Speaker 1: are not jumping into the EV revolution is because the
[27:10] Speaker 1: resale value is not well established yet. When it comes
[27:13] Speaker 1: to used cars, the retained value reflects how much of
[27:18] Speaker 1: a car's value when purchase new is held if it's
[27:23] Speaker 1: sold today. For example, twenty eighteen, toy out of Highlux
[27:27] Speaker 1: bought it for eighty one thousand dollars retain eighty five
[27:30] Speaker 1: percent of its value, means it's worth about sixty eight
[27:32] Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Electric cars less than two years of age
[27:38] Speaker 1: only hold eighty two percent of their original value, and
[27:43] Speaker 1: cars that are between two and four years old shrunk
[27:46] Speaker 1: down to just fifty seven percent and older are worth
[27:51] Speaker 1: less than twenty five percent of their original value. People
[27:54] Speaker 1: will eventually turn around and start buying electric cars when
[27:57] Speaker 1: we know what the resale market is, but simply that
[28:00] Speaker 1: has not been established yet. So don't say that Australians
[28:04] Speaker 1: are somehow, you know, bucking the tread, not interested holding
[28:06] Speaker 1: onto their petrol cars. No, because by your house, the
[28:10] Speaker 1: car is one of the most expensive things you'll ever own,
[28:13] Speaker 1: and at some point you're either going to want to
[28:15] Speaker 1: trade it in for the next one or you want
[28:16] Speaker 1: it to be able to hold on for as long
[28:17] Speaker 1: as possible. So there's a chunk of change at the
[28:19] Speaker 1: end of it. That's why people might be holding off
[28:22] Speaker 1: right now in American politics to refrain upon what has
[28:27] Speaker 1: happened there with the new New York mayor Zora and Mandani. Now,
[28:32] Speaker 1: this bloke is just going to be minted now because
[28:35] Speaker 1: of course he's off the hard lefties, you know, next
[28:37] Speaker 1: Gen and all the rest of it, and all the
[28:39] Speaker 1: gen X and even older generations in the American media
[28:42] Speaker 1: who are sort of lefties. They want to stay and
[28:44] Speaker 1: they want to stay cool man. So they were talking
[28:47] Speaker 1: him and the rest of the Democrats up after what
[28:49] Speaker 1: was a great night for that side of politics.
[28:52] Speaker 6: I mean, it's a great day to be a Democrat.
[28:54] Speaker 1: Zorign Mundani completed an improbable and rather astonishing third from
[28:59] Speaker 1: political and convincing New York their city could become fairer
[29:03] Speaker 1: and more affordable. Stark as this time is as challenging
[29:07] Speaker 1: as the snowment can be, anything is still possible in America.
[29:11] Speaker 1: This was an epic blowout. This was a blood bathroom
[29:13] Speaker 1: Republican pretty buche hundred percent across the border.
[29:15] Speaker 4: Hundo p as my eighteen year old boys would say.
[29:17] Speaker 1: This was like a Hundo pe night for Democrats. He
[29:20] Speaker 1: did not go the way Democrats had hoped. They went
[29:23] Speaker 1: even better. This is this what good news field. My
[29:27] Speaker 1: fingernails are tingling.
[29:30] Speaker 6: Uh.
[29:31] Speaker 1: And of course we now have to put up with
[29:32] Speaker 1: the garbage. Remember how they've just denied the existence of Milania.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Trump wouldn't day put that beautiful woman anyway near the
[29:39] Speaker 1: front cover of a magazine. Well, even in Australia, this
[29:42] Speaker 1: is what they are saying about the New York mayor's wife,
[29:46] Speaker 1: a modern day Princess Diana. As for Trump, he thinks
[29:51] Speaker 1: everyone should be nicer to him. I think he should
[29:55] Speaker 1: be very nice to me. You know, I'm the one
[29:56] Speaker 1: that sort of has to approve a lot of things
[29:58] Speaker 1: coming to him. So he's off to a so as
[30:01] Speaker 1: a Trump fan, as a person who is still buzzing
[30:04] Speaker 1: off the victory that he had twelve months ago. Their
[30:06] Speaker 1: reality is is that his popularity has waned in the
[30:10] Speaker 1: first few months of his presidency. Now he's saying that
[30:13] Speaker 1: he's making the tough choices that will eventually kick him
[30:15] Speaker 1: later the economy will be even better. But as you
[30:17] Speaker 1: can see on the left of screen is how he started,
[30:19] Speaker 1: and how he started was with an approval rating over
[30:22] Speaker 1: fifty percent. The disapproval rating is now higher, and we're
[30:27] Speaker 1: sort of very close to a sixty forty scenario. And
[30:29] Speaker 1: on one subject, in particular, inflation, he's gone from being
[30:33] Speaker 1: in front on that issue to now being very much behind.
[30:37] Speaker 1: So I joined the chorus of others who've said, look
[30:39] Speaker 1: great to have Middle East peace, great to solve wars,
[30:41] Speaker 1: great to go for nobel peace prices. But obviously the
[30:43] Speaker 1: reason you were hired was to pull inflation down many ways.
[30:48] Speaker 1: He has been able to certainly not get it to spike,
[30:51] Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, as he was
[30:53] Speaker 1: able to bash Biden about the cost of living, someone
[30:57] Speaker 1: will eventually try to do to the Republicans. And remember,
[31:00] Speaker 1: in twelve months from now is the midterm elections. That's
[31:03] Speaker 1: the elections for the Senate and the House of Representatives,
[31:06] Speaker 1: and if the Dems do well in those, well, of
[31:08] Speaker 1: course it's immediately a handbreak. He can't pass any legislation
[31:11] Speaker 1: because they will be interested in doing nothing. And if
[31:14] Speaker 1: the Democrats get control of the House, which they most
[31:16] Speaker 1: likely will because they Republicans only currently have a one
[31:20] Speaker 1: seat majority in like a House of four hundred and
[31:23] Speaker 1: fifty MPs or members of the House, well that of
[31:28] Speaker 1: course would mean the impeachment process and all of that
[31:31] Speaker 1: crap goes on and on and on. So it'd be
[31:33] Speaker 1: fascinating to see. But he's got a year to try
[31:36] Speaker 1: to move things back in the direction of where things
[31:38] Speaker 1: were a year ago. I wish you nothing but the best,
[31:40] Speaker 1: and I certainly don't that it happens. All right, before
[31:43] Speaker 1: I finished blew the ring, let me get to another
[31:47] Speaker 1: example of while you worked really hard this week, the
[31:49] Speaker 1: politicians worked really hard on their own image, and you
[31:51] Speaker 1: also paid for it, not just because you pay the MPs,
[31:53] Speaker 1: but you also pay for the staffers to help them
[31:55] Speaker 1: make crap like this on social media. Our old may
[31:58] Speaker 1: car another labor senator. Oh, I've got Taylor, it must
[32:30] Speaker 1: be great. And then one more example again about how
[32:36] Speaker 1: they turned themselves into social media stars. Sixty four from Kentucky.
[32:43] Speaker 1: Welcome to d C Joh, please do better next week,
[32:51] Speaker 1: Please work harder next week, Please actually do something for
[32:55] Speaker 1: people and stop doing what you do oh so well,
[33:02] Speaker 1: which is promoting yourselves. All right, we're gonna have a
[33:03] Speaker 1: chat about whether the Libs are going to go after
[33:05] Speaker 1: the NAT's made it very clear about net zero. Do
[33:07] Speaker 1: they have to come up with a position on climate
[33:09] Speaker 1: change or am I just full of myself? Yeah? I'll
[33:11] Speaker 1: talk about food bank as well, because let's try and
[33:14] Speaker 1: move the needle. Can you know what you think anytime?
[33:16] Speaker 1: Send me an email Paul Sky News dot com today.
[33:23] Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it right now. Joe Hildebrand
[33:25] Speaker 1: now fixed address, certainly when it comes to a show,
[33:27] Speaker 1: but very much, very much. We love him all right,
[33:31] Speaker 1: don't forget of course. So the documentary coming up next week.
[33:34] Speaker 1: There fifty years since the dismissal. Remember the PostScript is
[33:39] Speaker 1: the Australian people had a chance to put him back
[33:41] Speaker 1: and they didn't twice anyway. Ross Cadell is the National
[33:45] Speaker 1: Senator from New South Wales and his front and center
[33:47] Speaker 1: in much of the discussions of where we have been
[33:49] Speaker 1: and where will be going. So Ross David a little
[33:53] Speaker 1: proud and I thought it was really important and it
[33:55] Speaker 1: was a really important detail, but of course much of
[33:57] Speaker 1: the media couldn't care less, which was he said, Look,
[34:00] Speaker 1: we know in net zero, but we still believe we
[34:02] Speaker 1: should be reducing emissions. We just don't think we should
[34:04] Speaker 1: be doing it at the same speed as others. Give
[34:07] Speaker 1: me an idea about some of the work that you
[34:09] Speaker 1: and others have done behind the scenes, about what the
[34:12] Speaker 1: alternatives are to how you reduce emissions if you make
[34:18] Speaker 1: the decision that you did, which is no, we're not
[34:19] Speaker 1: going to do it with this hardcore target set by
[34:22] Speaker 1: the United Nations. So what are some of the early
[34:25] Speaker 1: signs about how the NATS would assist that process.
[34:31] Speaker 4: So we started with the basic premise of we have
[34:33] Speaker 4: to do our fair share. I think that's reasonable in
[34:35] Speaker 4: the world. I think everyone would would back that, and
[34:37] Speaker 4: that's we always fight for our fair share and we
[34:39] Speaker 4: think we should do our fair share. So when you
[34:41] Speaker 4: look at the OECD, not the rest of the world.
[34:43] Speaker 4: We're not looking at China, America, India, and Russia will
[34:49] Speaker 4: make up fifty six percent of emissions. We looked at
[34:52] Speaker 4: the OECD had fallen on average thirteen point five percent
[34:55] Speaker 4: since the two thousand and five baseline, and we'd gone
[34:57] Speaker 4: twenty seven percent since the baseline. So we've done why
[35:00] Speaker 4: I says much as the rest of the like nations
[35:02] Speaker 4: that were telling us what to do, And we thought, well, okay,
[35:05] Speaker 4: we're bearing an unfair cost on this, but going forward,
[35:08] Speaker 4: we should continue to do what the rest of the
[35:09] Speaker 4: world has. So we were looking at some method to
[35:12] Speaker 4: tie ourselves to like nations, OEC countries and keep that
[35:16] Speaker 4: progression going forward in affordable way. So I don't want
[35:19] Speaker 4: to get over technical, but i'll basic mechanism here.
[35:23] Speaker 1: YEP.
[35:23] Speaker 4: The Emission's Reduction Fund was going up until twenty seventeen,
[35:27] Speaker 4: the Climate Change Authority said it was a good, effective,
[35:30] Speaker 4: cost relatively cheap way of reducing emissions. We would fund
[35:35] Speaker 4: that back. And to give your viewers, let's just say
[35:37] Speaker 4: we wanted to fall at one percent per year, which
[35:39] Speaker 4: is better than the OECD of average for the moment.
[35:43] Speaker 4: That would be about four and a half million tons
[35:45] Speaker 4: of abatement per year. If you look at what's called
[35:48] Speaker 4: the ACU price Australian Carbon Credit Union of thirty bucks.
[35:51] Speaker 4: Even if we by buying a lot we go up
[35:53] Speaker 4: to fifty bucks, that is only going to cost us
[35:56] Speaker 4: around about two hundred to two hundred and fifty million
[36:00] Speaker 4: dollars a year compared to the nine billion dollars that
[36:04] Speaker 4: we're throwing at the wall on everything. At the moment
[36:05] Speaker 4: of achieving nothing, we have flatlined emissions for the last
[36:08] Speaker 4: three and a half years. We are no better off
[36:11] Speaker 4: than we were when this government took place. So if
[36:13] Speaker 4: it's not working and it's expensive, we think we can
[36:16] Speaker 4: do it cheaper. We think we can actually do it
[36:18] Speaker 4: better and in a fairer way going forward.
[36:20] Speaker 1: And Joe, this is the contest of ideas, right, So
[36:22] Speaker 1: if the Liberal Party end up matching the Nationals. You're
[36:25] Speaker 1: starting to see again somewhere behind the scenes working Now.
[36:29] Speaker 1: You personally could agree or disagree, but I think it's
[36:31] Speaker 1: so important people understand that there is some workings behind it.
[36:34] Speaker 1: My thing is, if the Libs are going to take
[36:36] Speaker 1: a week to get to where and that's where last week,
[36:38] Speaker 1: then for goodness sake, on the day they announced it,
[36:40] Speaker 1: could they please, please please please put on the table
[36:43] Speaker 1: some of what Rosster's said.
[36:45] Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and look, if it works, great, And this
[36:47] Speaker 5: is where I've always been on climate change. I have
[36:49] Speaker 5: no problem with nuclear. I have no problem with anything
[36:52] Speaker 5: as long as it works. It looks like green hydrogen
[36:55] Speaker 5: isn't going to work, at least not now. And maybe
[36:57] Speaker 5: that small module and nuclear reactors do work, and maybe
[37:00] Speaker 5: that wind and solar really is as cheap as Chris
[37:02] Speaker 5: Bowen says it's going to be once all the initial
[37:05] Speaker 5: capital expenditure has been paid. So again, I think those
[37:09] Speaker 5: completely fine. I actually think this is a sleeper issue
[37:13] Speaker 5: for the government. I wrote as much this week. I
[37:15] Speaker 5: think it's easy to look at the coalition kind of
[37:17] Speaker 5: tearing itself apart over this and the government think, oh,
[37:20] Speaker 5: that's fine. We'll just kick back. I think there is
[37:22] Speaker 5: a real obvious ticking time bomb in the form of
[37:26] Speaker 5: the higher power prices, especially in New South Wales that
[37:29] Speaker 5: kicked in on July one, that fared to the over
[37:32] Speaker 5: the odds inflation that deprived Australians of a cup day
[37:35] Speaker 5: rate cart. Now that is a pretty nasty, unholy trinity.
[37:38] Speaker 5: And if you've got the NATS being able to now
[37:42] Speaker 5: jump up and down and say and it's all the
[37:43] Speaker 5: faulted net zero, it's all the faulted net zero, then
[37:46] Speaker 5: suddenly that could become a bit of a millstone for
[37:48] Speaker 5: the government. Where I think it is a bigger problem
[37:51] Speaker 5: for I likened it to sort of a suicide bomber.
[37:53] Speaker 5: So the Coalition will blow itself up but could take
[37:56] Speaker 5: the government with it. But where it really is just
[37:58] Speaker 5: impossible for the Coalition is that they are the ones
[38:00] Speaker 5: who signed up.
[38:01] Speaker 1: To net zero.
[38:01] Speaker 5: It was Scott Morrison who did it, not a noted
[38:04] Speaker 5: Greta Tunberg's style environmental activist, but a pragmatist from the
[38:08] Speaker 5: center right. And the fact that they've just taken so
[38:12] Speaker 5: long to get to a position on this gives the
[38:16] Speaker 5: impression that they're kind of hollow men that they actually go, Oh,
[38:19] Speaker 5: what do I believe in? I'll get a focus group
[38:21] Speaker 5: to tell me.
[38:21] Speaker 1: And certainly the NATS would argue that they were pulled
[38:24] Speaker 1: to the decision.
[38:25] Speaker 5: That's much less of a problem for them back where
[38:27] Speaker 5: they want to. But it's much less of a problem
[38:29] Speaker 5: for the Nats, but for the Libs, who again need
[38:31] Speaker 5: to bend back to your seats if they're going to
[38:32] Speaker 5: realistically have a shot at this. You know, it's a big,
[38:36] Speaker 5: big problem.
[38:38] Speaker 1: I could spend more time back on food bang, but
[38:40] Speaker 1: I think I made them a point tonight and many
[38:41] Speaker 1: nights before, so I will give you some relief here.
[38:44] Speaker 1: But Joe, the social media stuff which is coming in
[38:47] Speaker 1: at the start of December, we know it means that
[38:49] Speaker 1: a kid can't get an account on Facebook, Twitter, blah
[38:51] Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But there's a problem with video games, right,
[38:55] Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in the video games lead
[38:57] Speaker 1: to violence, on mass shooting and all the rest of it.
[38:59] Speaker 1: The thing is, there are people who can have an
[39:01] Speaker 1: account with one of those big console businesses. They can
[39:05] Speaker 1: put on a headset and any random human around the
[39:08] Speaker 1: world can end up talking to them. Isn't that exactly
[39:10] Speaker 1: in part what we're trying to avoid with social media.
[39:12] Speaker 1: So why have they let the gaming part of this look.
[39:16] Speaker 5: I actually don't mind that, believed or night, And it's
[39:18] Speaker 5: probably something I wouldn't have understood if I didn't have
[39:20] Speaker 5: a kind of young kid who's about to go into
[39:22] Speaker 5: high school myself. He loves his gaming. That is his playground,
[39:26] Speaker 5: that's his hangout, it's all his friends are on it.
[39:29] Speaker 5: The people he's interacting with, all people he knows, and
[39:33] Speaker 5: if someone sort of chimes in from outside, or if
[39:35] Speaker 5: one of the kids he knows starts to get mean
[39:38] Speaker 5: or abusive, he can boot them and they are very
[39:41] Speaker 5: there's no longer. And again it's such a different generation
[39:44] Speaker 5: to ours, but there is no stigma associated with jobbing
[39:48] Speaker 5: on someone or reporting someone if they're behaving badly. In fact,
[39:51] Speaker 5: it's something that all the cool kids do. And so
[39:54] Speaker 5: it's amazing how quickly kids respond to this. So I
[40:00] Speaker 5: think it is fine and it's so important to them.
[40:02] Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a boring pragmatist, I know, but you know,
[40:05] Speaker 5: you don't want to do anything entirely black and white.
[40:07] Speaker 5: You want to make sure that you know you're not
[40:09] Speaker 5: snuffing out their whole social life just to keep them
[40:11] Speaker 5: safe from a possible one hundred percent.
[40:13] Speaker 1: But what the promises has say today effectively go outside
[40:16] Speaker 1: and play which I left it was today Like okay, Ross, Look,
[40:23] Speaker 1: I want the system to work. I know that it's
[40:25] Speaker 1: going to be rough and there's going to be lots
[40:27] Speaker 1: of visual Everyone wants the system to work, right, But
[40:30] Speaker 1: do you think that there's anything here with what I'm
[40:31] Speaker 1: talking about? Or are you confident in the ability of
[40:35] Speaker 1: people to be able to know the technology better than us,
[40:37] Speaker 1: to be able to say, weird, dude in here blocked?
[40:42] Speaker 4: Mate, I've got eleven year old Leo at home. It
[40:44] Speaker 4: gets on roadblocks and some of the trash talk that
[40:47] Speaker 4: happens when someone steals their rainbow hamster on Bloody Raboff's
[40:51] Speaker 4: better than I could trust talk when I was playing cricket.
[40:55] Speaker 4: But it's the effectiveness of will this work or not?
[40:58] Speaker 4: I think that's really the problem people. Will you know
[41:00] Speaker 4: you've got VPNs kids. These guys Leo eleven years old
[41:03] Speaker 4: knows how to get on a foreign network VPN better
[41:05] Speaker 4: than I do. These things where the search engines and
[41:08] Speaker 4: the games, they don't stop you getting on they just
[41:10] Speaker 4: stop you having account. So if I want to go
[41:12] Speaker 4: on roadblocks, er, I want to search on Google, or
[41:14] Speaker 4: I want to do these things on all these YouTube
[41:17] Speaker 4: I can. I just I just don't have an account,
[41:19] Speaker 4: but I can. The only thing that stops is the
[41:21] Speaker 4: blurs A click picture to you click onto it, and
[41:23] Speaker 4: if you don't see what you want, you can click
[41:24] Speaker 4: on something way worse and you still get the result.
[41:27] Speaker 4: So I think it's a really good thing. I've had
[41:30] Speaker 4: family members bullied. You know, a female who would win
[41:34] Speaker 4: beach sprints and then the other girls who were jealous said,
[41:37] Speaker 4: you've got the body of a boy says she had
[41:38] Speaker 4: an eating disorder. I've had all this. I spoke about
[41:40] Speaker 4: it in party room. But I just I just think
[41:44] Speaker 4: that the technology moves so fast. This isn't going to work.
[41:46] Speaker 4: I think the YouTube ban, I've not seen that much
[41:49] Speaker 4: pulling on YouTube, and I think it's a bit more censorship.
[41:52] Speaker 4: But we haven't got I don't think we've got the
[41:54] Speaker 4: setting rights. I would love it to work. I think
[41:56] Speaker 4: we need it to work, but we need to do
[41:58] Speaker 4: more in this space if we're going to make that happen.
[42:00] Speaker 1: And mate, Colin Flynt he joins us in a moment
[42:02] Speaker 1: or two time, which means bumper stickers only. Lads of
[42:06] Speaker 1: the week.
[42:06] Speaker 5: Joe, Yeah, it's an interesting one. I think obviously the
[42:12] Speaker 5: Nats and the Liberal Party have got to be the loser.
[42:14] Speaker 5: I think Susan Lee is in an absolute impossible position.
[42:17] Speaker 5: If she moves to dumb net zero, she alienates swing
[42:20] Speaker 5: voters in the suburbs. If she doesn't, she alienates her base.
[42:24] Speaker 5: So I think she is just in a world of pain.
[42:28] Speaker 5: And I think probably the winner is going to be
[42:31] Speaker 5: the Hopefully the moderate wing of the Democratic Party runs.
[42:36] Speaker 5: This failed experiment of socialism in New York is laid
[42:39] Speaker 5: out for all to see. Hopefully it will shut up
[42:41] Speaker 5: the Green New Deal Dems once and for all.
[42:44] Speaker 1: God love you. I love a long bumper sticker, but
[42:46] Speaker 1: if I can actually get a bumper sticker Ross winner
[42:49] Speaker 1: or lose her mate Lovinger.
[42:52] Speaker 4: Matt ken Evan, smart hands and well done on the
[42:54] Speaker 4: net zero stuff. Winner of the Week, You've done great mate,
[42:57] Speaker 4: and loser out there Bureau Meuterol one hundred and fifty
[43:00] Speaker 4: million dollars on a website that still doesn't work. You
[43:03] Speaker 4: could buy a new twenty twenty five Ferrari Roma and
[43:06] Speaker 4: crash it every day for the amount of money for
[43:08] Speaker 4: a year, for the amount of money they spend on
[43:10] Speaker 4: something that fails.
[43:10] Speaker 1: I might put that to the test. That's going to
[43:13] Speaker 1: be a start at a field experiment done the weekend papers.
[43:16] Speaker 1: Enjoy it. Thank you guys, do appreciate it. I got
[43:18] Speaker 1: to go. Thank you Ross, Thank you Joe. Colin Flynn.
[43:20] Speaker 1: He joins us next where we're going to talk about
[43:23] Speaker 1: the evolutions of faith. But also don't forget skynews dot
[43:26] Speaker 1: com dot au is the place to go and find
[43:28] Speaker 1: us where you can get all the podcasts, all the videos.
[43:30] Speaker 1: Want to see. I love that we end our week
[43:36] Speaker 1: each and every week with a beautiful man, the big
[43:38] Speaker 1: heart and a beautiful voice, none other than Colin Flen
[43:40] Speaker 1: of course. Wonderful broadcast. What are you dancing around for you? Mate?
[43:44] Speaker 1: You're excited because you've got a story to tell us
[43:46] Speaker 1: about the Christian populations in Algeria.
[43:48] Speaker 6: Mate. Yes, and hey Paul, always great to see you.
[43:52] Speaker 6: Hello from Rome. If we take me full screen, look
[43:54] Speaker 6: at this, I'm in my home studio ready to chat
[43:57] Speaker 6: to you again.
[43:57] Speaker 1: Listen, this is all for.
[43:58] Speaker 6: You, just for you.
[44:00] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[44:00] Speaker 6: We need all these lights to make me look good
[44:02] Speaker 6: for your show. But that's right, Paul. You'll remember, I
[44:06] Speaker 6: think it was two or three weeks ago we were
[44:08] Speaker 6: here live in the program talking about King Charles meeting
[44:11] Speaker 6: Poplo the fourteenth, And while you were covering it live
[44:15] Speaker 6: from the Vatican on your show, I was commentating with you,
[44:18] Speaker 6: but I was on a rooftop in Algeria. Now we
[44:20] Speaker 6: didn't get a chance to talk about Algeria. But the
[44:22] Speaker 6: reason I was there is because we were making a
[44:24] Speaker 6: fascinating documentary. As you know, we've spoke about this before.
[44:28] Speaker 6: Pope Leo the fourteenth he is an Augustinian, that is
[44:31] Speaker 6: his religious order, and they're based on the life and
[44:34] Speaker 6: the inspiration and the teachings of Saint Augustine. Now a
[44:37] Speaker 6: lot of people don't know this, but Saint Augustine is
[44:40] Speaker 6: from Northern Africa what is now Algeria. So we decided
[44:44] Speaker 6: what's the faith like in Algeria. We know that it
[44:47] Speaker 6: was once a Christian hotspot, going way back to the
[44:50] Speaker 6: Roman Empire, and then in the seventh century with the
[44:52] Speaker 6: Arab conquest. Over time that changed. The Christians were driven out.
[44:57] Speaker 6: Nineteen sixty two when Algeria gained independence from as the
[45:01] Speaker 6: last chunk of the Christians left and went back into Europe.
[45:05] Speaker 6: So today it is a Muslim country, an Islamic state.
[45:08] Speaker 6: There's around fifty million people living their pole and get this,
[45:11] Speaker 6: the Christian population somewhere between ten thousand and one hundred thousand.
[45:16] Speaker 6: That represents zero point two percent of the population. So
[45:20] Speaker 6: our question, Paul, as we went across this beautiful country,
[45:23] Speaker 6: we met some wonderful people. What is it like for
[45:25] Speaker 6: the Christians and the Catholic Church there today? And those
[45:29] Speaker 6: rumors that Poplio will be visiting next year. So it
[45:32] Speaker 6: was fascinating to go to all the different cities and
[45:34] Speaker 6: meet the bishops, meet the Muslims who converted to Christianity.
[45:38] Speaker 6: And you know, the way you would describe it, Paul,
[45:40] Speaker 6: is a nervous church because they have to thread very carefully.
[45:45] Speaker 6: While in the constitution of Algeria they say, hey, no problem,
[45:49] Speaker 6: we have religious freedom, you can be a Christian. But
[45:52] Speaker 6: in reality, Paul, in practice, it's completely different. I'll give
[45:56] Speaker 6: you an example. I was interviewing a bishop and remember
[45:59] Speaker 6: they had to be very men what they could say
[46:01] Speaker 6: on camera because they don't want to cause problems for themselves.
[46:04] Speaker 6: But I said, what's the greatest challenge being here and
[46:06] Speaker 6: he said probably freedom. And I said, what do you
[46:08] Speaker 6: mean by freedom? He said, well, for example, as a bishop,
[46:11] Speaker 6: if I want to go from one city to another
[46:13] Speaker 6: city in the country, I have to ring the police first,
[46:16] Speaker 6: tell them where I'm going, tell them who I'm going
[46:19] Speaker 6: to speak to, and what we're going to speak about,
[46:21] Speaker 6: and then they insist on giving me an escort. Now
[46:24] Speaker 6: they say it's for your safety, and we experienced that
[46:28] Speaker 6: to Paul, I don't know if you've been in a
[46:29] Speaker 6: situation when you've been filming abroad, and we didn't even
[46:32] Speaker 6: have this earlier this year when we were filming in Iraq.
[46:35] Speaker 6: But everywhere we went and you'll see these beautiful images
[46:37] Speaker 6: on your screen, we went to some amazing places, but
[46:41] Speaker 6: everywhere we went ahead of us, before we got there,
[46:44] Speaker 6: there were undercover police officers waiting for us, who told
[46:48] Speaker 6: us again they're just here to protect us, to make
[46:50] Speaker 6: sure everything was okay. But it changes the dynamic when
[46:53] Speaker 6: you're trying to interview people about the faith, when you
[46:55] Speaker 6: want them to openly speak and be free and what
[46:59] Speaker 6: they say. Having the police close by at every step.
[47:02] Speaker 6: It was a huge challenge for us over the ten
[47:04] Speaker 6: days making the documentary. But one man that we did interview,
[47:08] Speaker 6: he was a young Muslim and at sixteen he became
[47:11] Speaker 6: a Christian, but he was studying to become a lawyer.
[47:14] Speaker 6: In the end he couldn't do it because to become
[47:16] Speaker 6: a lawyer in that country you have to swear in
[47:17] Speaker 6: the Quran. So the social pressures like that, his family
[47:21] Speaker 6: kind of abandoned him. Said it was a tragedy. It
[47:23] Speaker 6: was a fascinating trip and very difficult for the small
[47:26] Speaker 6: minority of Christians that left there today, does.
[47:30] Speaker 1: It I mean, obviously, as you say about that tension
[47:32] Speaker 1: about how they're able to practice, and even though there
[47:37] Speaker 1: is that watchful eye, are they relatively recent examples where
[47:41] Speaker 1: the watchful eye turns into the clinched feast or it
[47:45] Speaker 1: is just about being constantly watched.
[47:49] Speaker 6: No, it's not a direct persecution like we might have
[47:52] Speaker 6: seen years ago with Isis ten years ago in Iraq,
[47:55] Speaker 6: but it is the constant presence and the constant watching
[47:59] Speaker 6: and the limitations. So for example, they're allowed practice their faith.
[48:04] Speaker 6: But you know here in Europe and in Australia, we
[48:06] Speaker 6: say you can celebrate the Mass, celebrate your faith. They're
[48:09] Speaker 6: in Algeria. You cannot celebrate your faith if you are
[48:12] Speaker 6: a Christian, if you're a Muslim, yes, no problem. So
[48:14] Speaker 6: I interviewed one bishop and I said, you know, in America,
[48:17] Speaker 6: they say, hey, I'm on fire for the faith. I
[48:19] Speaker 6: want to tell people about Jesus. He said the bishop,
[48:22] Speaker 6: I knew someone like that, and I went to visit
[48:25] Speaker 6: him in prison, and he kept going out on the street,
[48:28] Speaker 6: not trying to convert people, but he was telling Muslims,
[48:30] Speaker 6: you know, you should learn about Jesus and come to
[48:31] Speaker 6: the church. So the bishop said to him, what are
[48:34] Speaker 6: you doing. What are you doing? You know here in
[48:37] Speaker 6: the country we have our limits. Do not preach the
[48:40] Speaker 6: Gospel with your words, do it with your life, you know,
[48:43] Speaker 6: act as a Christian. So that's a very difficult position
[48:46] Speaker 6: and some of the I won't mention names, but high
[48:48] Speaker 6: ranking church officials. Before we did the interview, they told
[48:51] Speaker 6: us Collum, I'll do the interview, but I can't talk
[48:53] Speaker 6: about freedom, I can't talk about evangelizing, and I can't
[48:56] Speaker 6: talk about conversions as well. So it was a difficult
[48:59] Speaker 6: position for everyone to be in. When we have the
[49:01] Speaker 6: documentary made, I will share some of it with you
[49:03] Speaker 6: as well, Paul and all of our friends in Australia.
[49:06] Speaker 1: I we look forward to it. That a little snippet
[49:08] Speaker 1: we saw look beautiful and if it is narrated by
[49:10] Speaker 1: your good self it will be even more fun. Thank you,
[49:12] Speaker 1: great man. Soon Colin Flynn. There a great weekend you too, mate.
[49:16] Speaker 1: You enjoy all the best of the family. Quick break
[49:18] Speaker 1: back with more here on Paul Murray Live, including some
[49:20] Speaker 1: final thoughts about a great Australian who's got a very
[49:23] Speaker 1: big appointment with destiny this weekend. Say it with me, Australia.
[49:32] Speaker 1: Go Oscar. Go Oscar's chance to hold on or at
[49:37] Speaker 1: least get back in front at the Formula One Drivers Championship.
[49:42] Speaker 1: He's kind of got a win or it certainly beat
[49:45] Speaker 1: Landa but he's got to be up in front. So
[49:47] Speaker 1: all of our energy in the middle of the night,
[49:49] Speaker 1: I think because of the time zones, it's like Monday morning.
[49:52] Speaker 1: But go Oscar go four am apparently. Thank you to
[49:55] Speaker 1: my team. That's our show for the week. Thank you
[49:57] Speaker 1: very much for watching Go Tigers, Go Yankees. He's the
[50:00] Speaker 1: light to buy

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