# Paul Murray Live | 6 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 6 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/c32095bf-4ea5-41b8-90e9-b47f00d68ebd/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The prime minister signs a defence deal with Fiji, Western Australia is One Nation's next big test. Plus, more kids are choosing university over trades. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, James Buggerol find a whole hour not to
[0:09] Speaker 1: talk about Taylor's We've getting very either. Thank you very
[0:11] Speaker 1: much for joining us this evening. We've got a lot
[0:13] Speaker 1: to get to tonight, Jess Wilson, while you're with the
[0:16] Speaker 1: opposition in Victoria which is currently trying to get around
[0:19] Speaker 1: every electorate over the next couple of weeks along the way.
[0:22] Speaker 1: She'll have a chat to us here tonight, and also
[0:25] Speaker 1: a little bit later in the program, plenty to debate
[0:27] Speaker 1: and discuss, and a little shout out and an update
[0:29] Speaker 1: on the great week that has been done by the
[0:31] Speaker 1: good people of the Kid's Helpline. But first, I can't
[0:35] Speaker 1: talk about the minor matters of politics without talking about
[0:38] Speaker 1: the matter that is dominating all the conversations in my life,
[0:41] Speaker 1: and that is the situation that police are currently investigating
[0:47] Speaker 1: involving just a four year old boy in the central
[0:51] Speaker 1: coast of New South Wales. Now, obviously you may will
[0:54] Speaker 1: have read, you may will have heard, but certainly the
[0:56] Speaker 1: matters are alleged and currently being dealt with by police.
[1:01] Speaker 1: The best I can show you is the public comments
[1:03] Speaker 1: police have made about this horrible situation.
[1:08] Speaker 2: I am prepared to say publicly at the moment. It
[1:10] Speaker 2: was an extremely confronting scene. It's been confirmed the child
[1:14] Speaker 2: has got injuries. I'm not going to speculate further on
[1:16] Speaker 2: what those injuries are. I personally met with all of
[1:19] Speaker 2: the police last night. As you can understand, this is
[1:23] Speaker 2: a confronting scene for even the most experienced police that
[1:26] Speaker 2: attend an ambulance.
[1:28] Speaker 1: Now, there are two things I want to add on
[1:30] Speaker 1: top of the obvious shock that any normal person has
[1:33] Speaker 1: had in the past couple of days. The first is
[1:36] Speaker 1: in reference to what that officer just said, and that
[1:38] Speaker 1: is the trauma of the police family. We take it
[1:42] Speaker 1: for granted that the tens of thousands of people who
[1:46] Speaker 1: represent us and interacting with people on their worst possible
[1:50] Speaker 1: day will find a way to turn up to work tomorrow,
[1:52] Speaker 1: the next day, the next week, the next month, the
[1:55] Speaker 1: next year. The reality is the toll on emergency services
[2:00] Speaker 1: is horrific. I think that we don't have enough support
[2:05] Speaker 1: for officers, both current and former, when it comes to
[2:09] Speaker 1: the trauma and the post traumatic stress as they see
[2:13] Speaker 1: horrible thing after horrible thing after horrible thing. I think,
[2:17] Speaker 1: as I've discussed before when I spoke to some police
[2:19] Speaker 1: officers in South Australia, there is almost a conversation about
[2:23] Speaker 1: a national role commission about how better to handle all
[2:27] Speaker 1: of this. But again, to anyone who is part of
[2:32] Speaker 1: the officers that saw what you saw, I'm sorry that
[2:34] Speaker 1: you've seen what you've seen. But again, strength and love
[2:37] Speaker 1: to that wider policing family who all day, every day
[2:40] Speaker 1: are seeing some really tough things. I want you to
[2:42] Speaker 1: know that the rest of the country appreciates what you
[2:46] Speaker 1: do and thanks you very much for what you do.
[2:50] Speaker 1: The second thing worth mentioning here too is that apparently
[2:53] Speaker 1: this family was known to the child protection authorities. We
[2:58] Speaker 1: learned in the past day or so that several reports
[3:01] Speaker 1: had been made to the authorities about this situation. And
[3:06] Speaker 1: today it was up to the minister to say the obvious.
[3:10] Speaker 1: But the system failed this kid, There's no question about it,
[3:14] Speaker 1: and it is unforgivable that that is the case. But
[3:17] Speaker 1: here is the relevant minister. And again we'll get to
[3:19] Speaker 1: the silliness of politics in a second, but we've got
[3:21] Speaker 1: to talk about this first.
[3:23] Speaker 3: We are managing.
[3:27] Speaker 4: A system that was spiraling out of control.
[3:30] Speaker 5: We are trying to turn it around.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Well again that sort of blaming the previous government. Come
[3:37] Speaker 1: on you three in a big years. It's March next year.
[3:40] Speaker 1: That's four years on your watch. Now, every case cannot
[3:44] Speaker 1: be taken care of, Every case cannot be followed to
[3:47] Speaker 1: the solution you and I would approve of. And yes,
[3:51] Speaker 1: it is very difficult for a lot of people working
[3:52] Speaker 1: in and around those child protective services areas. It's why
[3:56] Speaker 1: it was a particular area of focus for me, the
[3:58] Speaker 1: difficulties during lockdown. When everyone else was cheering for it,
[4:01] Speaker 1: I was afraid of it because of the horrible scenarios
[4:04] Speaker 1: where kids were going to be locked in with family members. Again,
[4:08] Speaker 1: people on the behalf of the department they said this today,
[4:11] Speaker 1: he was let down. That's all you can say. The
[4:14] Speaker 1: system has failed him. Sorry, my apologies. That's the politics
[4:18] Speaker 1: and the opposition understandably saying what we all believe. Again,
[4:21] Speaker 1: I will say no more because there is a legal
[4:23] Speaker 1: process that plays out. But strengthen, love to everyone who
[4:28] Speaker 1: truly loved this little man. The community that will be
[4:32] Speaker 1: traumatized forever because of this situation, and the people who
[4:35] Speaker 1: have had to investigate, and those who seek to prevent
[4:38] Speaker 1: these things from happening each and every day. I had
[4:41] Speaker 1: to say it off the start because it's really, frankly,
[4:43] Speaker 1: all we've been thinking about. Certainly I've been thinking about
[4:45] Speaker 1: in the past couple of days, so to the politics,
[4:50] Speaker 1: to what you come to the restaurant and expect me
[4:52] Speaker 1: to serve, and I gladly will and I'll be piping
[4:53] Speaker 1: hot for you tonight. The Prime Minister is overseas again
[4:56] Speaker 1: airbus elbow up and doing what he does so well,
[5:00] Speaker 1: which is racking up the frequent fly miles in Toto one.
[5:03] Speaker 1: He was in Fiji today. Of course, a new deal,
[5:06] Speaker 1: a stack of money. Where does it come from? Who cares?
[5:10] Speaker 1: The Fijian Prime Minister talking up this wonderful new arrangement.
[5:14] Speaker 1: And of course all of this is wonderful because apparently
[5:16] Speaker 1: it's a way of repelling China.
[5:19] Speaker 6: I do not expect Chama to have any So we
[5:25] Speaker 6: pushed back from either governments, and I believe that they
[5:31] Speaker 6: will welcome the understanding that is in Australia and fig well.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Reality is that thinking is naive at best. All of
[5:41] Speaker 1: these people who think there's a way to appease China
[5:44] Speaker 1: or make a few dollars on a way through or
[5:46] Speaker 1: stabilize the relationship, or they got reminded about the lethality
[5:50] Speaker 1: that China potentially has. In fact, now it is showing
[5:53] Speaker 1: us that they have where an island like Figi or
[5:56] Speaker 1: the islands of Fiji could be blown away.
[5:59] Speaker 5: By Beijing making it clear it's not pleased with Australia's
[6:04] Speaker 5: Fiji defense steel by test faring a nuclear capable missile
[6:09] Speaker 5: from a submarine in the.
[6:10] Speaker 7: Pacific, with Beijing test firing a nuclear capable long range
[6:14] Speaker 7: missile close enough to Australia to set off alarm bells
[6:17] Speaker 7: right across the Pacific.
[6:18] Speaker 4: China's launch of a ballistic missile in the Pacific today a.
[6:23] Speaker 1: Disgrace, an absolute disgrace. But as you know, the matter
[6:27] Speaker 1: that is considered more important than even that that we
[6:29] Speaker 1: have just seen. Well, even Channel nine News, normally incredibly
[6:32] Speaker 1: supportive of the Prime Minister, had to find a way
[6:36] Speaker 1: to bring it up today.
[6:38] Speaker 5: Well, on a day the Prime Minister should have been
[6:40] Speaker 5: heralding one of the most significant foreign policy achievements of
[6:43] Speaker 5: his government, he was instead dealing with a crude, self
[6:47] Speaker 5: made embarrassment.
[6:49] Speaker 1: Don't you love it, right, if it's a liberal, if
[6:51] Speaker 1: it's one nation, if it's a conservative, it's anyone but
[6:53] Speaker 1: labor or from the swamp outrage tonight as insert insert
[6:58] Speaker 1: insert insert now again, I'm not going to sit here
[7:01] Speaker 1: and clutch my pearls and pretend that I'm above some
[7:06] Speaker 1: off color humor at times. But obviously this is the
[7:09] Speaker 1: prime minister of the country, and if this was a
[7:11] Speaker 1: lib the noise would still be going and it wouldn't
[7:13] Speaker 1: matter whether he said sorry or not. Great publicity for
[7:16] Speaker 1: the podcast. The madness of this podcast is why was
[7:19] Speaker 1: it done at the lodge? Why was this done at
[7:22] Speaker 1: the lodge? You've seen it, but I've got to show
[7:24] Speaker 1: you again just in case you haven't.
[7:27] Speaker 3: Where at rapid fire questions?
[7:29] Speaker 8: Now, every guest gets asked these Shag Mary Date, Kylie Minogue,
[7:33] Speaker 8: Nicole Kibman or Ronda Birch Moore.
[7:36] Speaker 9: I've just got married, I'm only six months in.
[7:38] Speaker 8: Well, if it goes tits up, let's just pretend. Oh
[7:42] Speaker 8: Kylie clearly in Mary, Kylie and Shagger and Data.
[7:45] Speaker 3: All of the above.
[7:46] Speaker 8: All right, it's a triple She's terrific, all right, that's fair.
[7:52] Speaker 1: Now, the truth is that the outrage that we'll get
[7:55] Speaker 1: to in a second could have been dealt with very
[7:58] Speaker 1: easily and in the moment. But the Prime Minister thinking that,
[8:02] Speaker 1: unsurprisingly he can have it both ways where I'm the
[8:04] Speaker 1: champion of women. While okay it's a bit of jocular humor,
[8:08] Speaker 1: the same people who let Donald Trump off, will, they'll
[8:10] Speaker 1: be the ones that will be annoyed about this will.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Of course, the whole point is that you pretend to
[8:14] Speaker 1: be better than somebody who would answer such a question,
[8:17] Speaker 1: let alone answer such a question at the lodge right,
[8:21] Speaker 1: a place where conventional media do not get access to interviews,
[8:24] Speaker 1: so much so that he was speaking of that in
[8:26] Speaker 1: the podcast as some sort of a virtue. Well, the
[8:29] Speaker 1: reaction has been obvious today.
[8:32] Speaker 10: I think it's a pretty poor judgment, to be honest.
[8:36] Speaker 10: I don't think anybody has woken up this morning and
[8:39] Speaker 10: thought that's a good look, either for the Prime Minister
[8:41] Speaker 10: or for our country.
[8:42] Speaker 1: No, we just can't answer questions like that. This kind
[8:45] Speaker 1: of conversation in the public sphere, especially from our nation's leader.
[8:49] Speaker 7: Is it's just an appropriate It's it's tacky, it's cringe worthy.
[8:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, the way this could have been
[8:56] Speaker 1: dealt with pretty simply is next. Because I guarantee you
[8:59] Speaker 1: this right people who are not from traditional media. And
[9:03] Speaker 1: part of the excitement for the Prime Minister appearing on
[9:06] Speaker 1: these places is that it's going to be an unconventional interview.
[9:10] Speaker 1: I could bet the metaphorical house, including all of the
[9:13] Speaker 1: investment properties the Prime Minister has had over the years
[9:16] Speaker 1: that you're not allowed to have into the future because
[9:18] Speaker 1: you know, investment property bad right, that they are more
[9:22] Speaker 1: nervous than the prime ministers. And if the Prime Minister
[9:25] Speaker 1: turns around and says too one of these questions next,
[9:28] Speaker 1: they'll move on. They won't badge it, they won't keep
[9:31] Speaker 1: going because they are more nervous about asking the questions
[9:34] Speaker 1: than they are excited about whatever the answers are. Now,
[9:39] Speaker 1: this was bubbling up yesterday. I chose not to talk
[9:41] Speaker 1: about it because I didn't expect it to make it
[9:44] Speaker 1: into a second day, but of course it did, and
[9:46] Speaker 1: we had the absurdity of labor heavy weights coming out
[9:51] Speaker 1: and trying to defend or push aside that there was
[9:54] Speaker 1: anything to see here. Now. Remember, everyone goes off like
[9:57] Speaker 1: a too Bob Watch when it comes to these issues,
[9:59] Speaker 1: and I just wish people were consistent that the same
[10:01] Speaker 1: blow ups that they have for libs they have for labor,
[10:03] Speaker 1: and labor they have for libs. But today he had
[10:07] Speaker 1: the absurdity of the Premier of Victoria. Nothing to see here,
[10:10] Speaker 1: the Environment Minister nothing to see here. In fact, here's
[10:15] Speaker 1: the tape of the nothing to see here. I've not
[10:19] Speaker 1: listened to the podcast.
[10:20] Speaker 10: My understanding is this is a more lighthearted forum and
[10:25] Speaker 10: I'll leave.
[10:26] Speaker 1: That matter there.
[10:27] Speaker 3: Well.
[10:28] Speaker 4: If what the Prime Minister's saying is that he's a
[10:31] Speaker 4: fan of Kylie Minogue, I guess that puts him in
[10:33] Speaker 4: a truly millions at other Australians, including me, including me
[10:37] Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Kylie's as well, and.
[10:40] Speaker 1: Mate Lucy Zelich, WHOI course to be on the show
[10:42] Speaker 1: later in the week she took to print. This one
[10:45] Speaker 1: was in the Daily Telegraph this afternoon. Desperate Elbow's regular
[10:48] Speaker 1: guide routine falls flat again. Gone are the days where
[10:52] Speaker 1: we can expect, sorry, gone to the days where we
[10:57] Speaker 1: expect and then receive a level of statesmanship and class
[11:00] Speaker 1: from our elected officials. Just weeks ago, the Prime Minister
[11:03] Speaker 1: fronted a press pack to condemn the ditch the witch
[11:06] Speaker 1: trucks that were making their way around Melbourne. Very good point.
[11:09] Speaker 1: You may remember these particular trucks. These were the ones
[11:14] Speaker 1: that I think we're paid for by a business person,
[11:17] Speaker 1: let me put it that way. And the Prime Minister
[11:19] Speaker 1: was more than happy to be outraged on Just Center
[11:21] Speaker 1: Allen's behalf.
[11:23] Speaker 9: What worries me is the misogyny that's involved there. The
[11:29] Speaker 9: sexist campaign targeting the Victorian premier is totally unacceptable and
[11:34] Speaker 9: has no place in public life.
[11:38] Speaker 1: And that's the point, right, which is that again he
[11:40] Speaker 1: can't pretend to be somebody who understands that as the leader,
[11:45] Speaker 1: you must have higher standards and any attempts to focus
[11:49] Speaker 1: on sexuality or to sexualize people is something that shouldn't happen.
[11:55] Speaker 1: Obviously digitally which wasn't an example of that. But the
[12:00] Speaker 1: same people, thankfully who were cracking into Tony Abbott because
[12:03] Speaker 1: it was a day that ended in the word why,
[12:06] Speaker 1: while they too have decided to leap into the Prime Minister.
[12:09] Speaker 1: Jacquelin Maglay I think is the one who did this
[12:11] Speaker 1: here where she says it's possible for the Prime Minister
[12:14] Speaker 1: be casual and jocular but also to respect women. Good point,
[12:18] Speaker 1: to be fair. It was a looser style of interview,
[12:22] Speaker 1: the sort designed to showcase the politician's relatability. But is
[12:25] Speaker 1: this relatable No to feminist scholds like me, just weary
[12:31] Speaker 1: of confirmation that not much has changed as much as
[12:35] Speaker 1: we would like to think. Again, Bunnaby Joyce again a
[12:39] Speaker 1: person who can be jock killer all the rest of it. Well,
[12:41] Speaker 1: he said this in response to it all this morning.
[12:44] Speaker 1: We just fell into a trap which he shouldn't have
[12:47] Speaker 1: fallen into. It's as obvious that you know those people
[12:53] Speaker 1: who get very excited about that. Yeah, but he's the
[12:58] Speaker 1: truth about what this government has done and how it
[13:01] Speaker 1: has cheapened the way that it likes to communicate with
[13:04] Speaker 1: the public. Now again we have shown, and we do
[13:09] Speaker 1: each and every night, the absurdity of how these people
[13:12] Speaker 1: present themselves on social media, where they present themselves more
[13:15] Speaker 1: a sort of localized celebrities doing anything for the cliques,
[13:20] Speaker 1: while also simultaneously pretending to be the legislators or the
[13:25] Speaker 1: guardians of our country, our economy, our standards, all the
[13:28] Speaker 1: rest of it. Just last week, you might remember when
[13:31] Speaker 1: I was hooking into Mark Butler. He is not just
[13:33] Speaker 1: the health minister. He's a cabinet minister who wants you
[13:36] Speaker 1: to take him seriously. Even though this is how he
[13:40] Speaker 1: paraded himself last week. Honestly, now I know that they
[13:55] Speaker 1: say it's a new way of talking to a new audience,
[13:58] Speaker 1: and you know, the world is bigger than just the
[14:00] Speaker 1: stuffy old TV and radio interviews. Yeah, okay, I understand
[14:03] Speaker 1: all of that, but you don't have to go that low.
[14:07] Speaker 1: You really don't have to go that low. You don't
[14:09] Speaker 1: have to be that patronizing as a way of presenting yourself.
[14:13] Speaker 1: And let's be honest, the only people who are actually
[14:15] Speaker 1: following politicians on social media are people who probably are
[14:20] Speaker 1: capable of a slightly better discussion than what is constantly
[14:24] Speaker 1: served up. Let alone a Prime minister who, of course
[14:26] Speaker 1: would prefer the scandal of the day to be his
[14:30] Speaker 1: interaction on a podcast than what he's done to the
[14:32] Speaker 1: country when it comes to the lies that have now
[14:34] Speaker 1: become law thanks to the budget. Now when it comes
[14:40] Speaker 1: to state politics, One Nation is having a similar surge than,
[14:43] Speaker 1: of course, it has had at the federal level. The
[14:45] Speaker 1: most recent polls in New South Wales say that One
[14:49] Speaker 1: Nation has now overtaken the Coalition. It is now second
[14:52] Speaker 1: place according to the latest demos. A u Pole meantime
[14:57] Speaker 1: at news dot com, do are you It has also
[14:59] Speaker 1: put a scenario in here where they have talked about
[15:02] Speaker 1: how One Nation has edged past Labor and the Coalition
[15:06] Speaker 1: to become Victoria's most popular political party. No surprise there. Well,
[15:12] Speaker 1: the next electoral test of One Nation is not going
[15:15] Speaker 1: to be a federal election. It will not be a
[15:18] Speaker 1: state wide election. Instead, it is going to be a
[15:20] Speaker 1: by election that will be happening in Western Australia. Mighty wa. Well,
[15:26] Speaker 1: today an announcement was made from a minister, Paul Papalia,
[15:31] Speaker 1: who has quit politics. He represents an area called Secret
[15:34] Speaker 1: Harbor and therefore there is going to be a by election.
[15:37] Speaker 1: Why am I telling you about an obscure state political
[15:42] Speaker 1: story from Western Australia Because if you have a look
[15:44] Speaker 1: at a map of Secret Harbor, it sits well within
[15:48] Speaker 1: the Canning Federal electorate. The Canning Federal electorate is of
[15:53] Speaker 1: course represented by Andrew Hasty. And Andrew Hasty has made
[15:57] Speaker 1: it very clear that he is not a fan of
[15:58] Speaker 1: One Nation and One Nation have made it very clear
[16:00] Speaker 1: they're not a fan of Andrew Hasty. One Nation is
[16:03] Speaker 1: declared it's war on me, so war they shall have.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Now this is personal and they will have to blast
[16:10] Speaker 1: me out of Canning. Well, that obviously becomes a couple
[16:13] Speaker 1: of years away. But the first chance to see whether
[16:16] Speaker 1: one nation has improved or not is potentially this by
[16:19] Speaker 1: election that overlaps some of the geographical area that is
[16:23] Speaker 1: covered by the federal seat of Canning. Now, to give
[16:27] Speaker 1: you an idea, this is a place the Labour Party
[16:28] Speaker 1: won pretty easily last year at the state election, and
[16:31] Speaker 1: you'd have to assume that they would win it again
[16:33] Speaker 1: pretty easily based off these numbers. Because at forty six
[16:37] Speaker 1: percent in the primary vote, the Libs at twenty four,
[16:40] Speaker 1: one nation down at eight, you would imagine nothing to
[16:42] Speaker 1: see here, what's all the noise about? But again, just
[16:45] Speaker 1: like all the other states, the latest polling is a
[16:48] Speaker 1: very different picture than that state election from even twelve
[16:53] Speaker 1: months ago, where Labour is down eight and a half
[16:56] Speaker 1: points according to the latest Demos a U pole. In
[16:58] Speaker 1: Western Australia, the Libs also down five one nation up fourteen.
[17:03] Speaker 1: In fact, the only political party that has gone up
[17:05] Speaker 1: in Western Australia. Now I can do my mats here
[17:08] Speaker 1: and the Greens twelve plus Labors thirty three, Well, that
[17:12] Speaker 1: gets them pretty much close to getting over the line.
[17:16] Speaker 1: We know there's a portion of liberals who will not
[17:18] Speaker 1: back in one nation. But still it'll be fascinating to
[17:21] Speaker 1: see whether people like the idea of whether there's a
[17:23] Speaker 1: by election or not, whether this becomes an opportunity for
[17:27] Speaker 1: the ultimate protest vote. We will all watch and see together. Now,
[17:32] Speaker 1: Australians are frustrated with the number of people that are
[17:35] Speaker 1: coming into the country. Now immediately if you go, well,
[17:37] Speaker 1: there he is going off again on the racism thing.
[17:39] Speaker 1: It ain't about that. It ain't about the culture, it
[17:42] Speaker 1: ain't about the type of It's about the shart number.
[17:45] Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of people each and every year added
[17:47] Speaker 1: to the millions and millions. Remember eighteen million people lived
[17:50] Speaker 1: in Australia ninety six. It's now twenty eight million people.
[17:54] Speaker 1: As we move through the twenty forties and twenty fifties,
[17:56] Speaker 1: the expectation is that we're going to get our way
[17:58] Speaker 1: towards forty million people. The birth rate continues to fall,
[18:02] Speaker 1: So guess what the only way is. The numbers keep
[18:04] Speaker 1: going up, and we keep being told the reason for
[18:07] Speaker 1: all of these extra people being brought into the country
[18:10] Speaker 1: is because there's not enough people in the country who
[18:12] Speaker 1: know how to swing a hammer. You know, we have
[18:15] Speaker 1: a simple reality that if you're talking about building houses,
[18:19] Speaker 1: twenty eight percent of people in building and plumbing worker
[18:22] Speaker 1: born overseas.
[18:23] Speaker 9: In the economy. One of the ways that we're dealing
[18:26] Speaker 9: with that is in skilled.
[18:28] Speaker 11: Migration construction apprentices, and there is a responsible role for
[18:33] Speaker 11: skilled migration in that as well.
[18:36] Speaker 1: But the truth of why we constantly keep having to
[18:38] Speaker 1: go to the world to say, hey, can you swing
[18:40] Speaker 1: a hammer? Great, we've got a spot for you. Come
[18:41] Speaker 1: over here. Firstly is they don't like the idea of
[18:45] Speaker 1: you having a baby because it takes eighteen years for
[18:47] Speaker 1: that baby to eventually start working and pay taxes. If
[18:50] Speaker 1: you bring somebody in and they start working straight away,
[18:52] Speaker 1: where the government gets the taxes right, and we know
[18:55] Speaker 1: how much they desperately want that taxation money. But also
[18:58] Speaker 1: the reality is that we have for thirty years sent
[19:02] Speaker 1: too many kids on a path towards university as opposed
[19:06] Speaker 1: to going to things like Taife. We have for decades
[19:11] Speaker 1: believed that the only way to move on in life
[19:16] Speaker 1: was somehow to go and get some letters after your name,
[19:18] Speaker 1: as opposed to learning out how to use a Phillip's
[19:22] Speaker 1: head or a flathead. Screwdriver. Well, the Chamber of Commerce
[19:29] Speaker 1: and Industry have come out today and said part of
[19:30] Speaker 1: the problem with all of this is that after decades
[19:32] Speaker 1: of raising university attendancy, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and
[19:35] Speaker 1: Industry says it's gone too far and that the rise
[19:38] Speaker 1: of credentialism. There you go, and a systematic preference for
[19:43] Speaker 1: university pathways was not always in the interests of individuals
[19:47] Speaker 1: or the broader economy. It's a significant contribution to the
[19:50] Speaker 1: case because according to the Census, forty one percent of
[19:54] Speaker 1: people in their thirty said university degrees what just fifteen
[19:57] Speaker 1: percent of people in their seventies did. Put simply, we
[20:00] Speaker 1: have reorganized our society. It has been done on purpose.
[20:04] Speaker 1: If you're a young person, if you need to go
[20:06] Speaker 1: to unied to become the doctor, to become the lawyer, fine,
[20:09] Speaker 1: fair enough, I understand. But if you want to out
[20:11] Speaker 1: earn anyone with a BA, feel free to learn a
[20:14] Speaker 1: trade because that trade will end up earning a lot
[20:18] Speaker 1: more money in the short term and eventually a small
[20:20] Speaker 1: business can become a pretty successful one in the medium term.
[20:24] Speaker 1: You can do that from the second you want to
[20:26] Speaker 1: leave you ten year eleven or after year twelve. Now
[20:31] Speaker 1: I want to talk about the big build corruption that
[20:33] Speaker 1: continues on in Victoria. Again. The premiere just cinter Allen
[20:38] Speaker 1: out and about trying to pretend that there's nothing to
[20:40] Speaker 1: see here. In fact, remember there was the absurdity of
[20:43] Speaker 1: her last week actually offering an apology. This is after,
[20:47] Speaker 1: of course she was running away from the media, after
[20:48] Speaker 1: those incredible sixty minutes stories.
[20:51] Speaker 7: Why don't we just back to the parliament of person
[20:54] Speaker 7: I don't want.
[20:54] Speaker 1: You so then of course she had a written apology,
[21:02] Speaker 1: but the written apology had to send a search party
[21:04] Speaker 1: out for which was one line three quarters of the
[21:07] Speaker 1: way through an opinion piece that she wrote for the Age. Meantime,
[21:11] Speaker 1: two people who know the inner workings and the stench
[21:13] Speaker 1: that comes of this government, well they've been very clear,
[21:17] Speaker 1: including the bloke who used to run the broad based
[21:19] Speaker 1: Anti Corruption Commission, who believes there's a big problem here.
[21:24] Speaker 3: It's a form of extortion.
[21:26] Speaker 12: If you want to participate in the big build, you
[21:30] Speaker 12: have to pay, not for the service you're rendering, you
[21:34] Speaker 12: have to pay to get into the process.
[21:36] Speaker 3: That's a form of extortion.
[21:39] Speaker 1: Absolutely correct, and he along with Zebra Glass, who was
[21:41] Speaker 1: the former ombudsman in Victoria who kept an eye on
[21:44] Speaker 1: this organization, whose organization has had its funding cut multiple
[21:48] Speaker 1: times because it investigates this organization. Well. She agrees with
[21:53] Speaker 1: Robert Redlick, who says it's time for a royal commission
[21:56] Speaker 1: into this.
[21:59] Speaker 12: I know of scandal that's involved, the sort of public
[22:03] Speaker 12: wastage that has occurred here, and it's only a royal
[22:08] Speaker 12: commission that can root out all of the causes, all
[22:13] Speaker 12: of the reasons why the checks and balances that are
[22:17] Speaker 12: in place have failed.
[22:20] Speaker 1: Jess Wilson is the leader of the opposition. She joins
[22:22] Speaker 1: us now to discuss this and a whole lot more,
[22:24] Speaker 1: including her big trip around the state right now. Jess,
[22:27] Speaker 1: it is a disgrace what's been playing out, by the way,
[22:29] Speaker 1: great to see on the show. Thank you very much
[22:31] Speaker 1: for being here. I hope of the side and we
[22:33] Speaker 1: hope that there's strength you run between now and November.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Plenty of people cheering you on from around the country
[22:37] Speaker 1: and in Victoria. Is there going to be a royal
[22:39] Speaker 1: commission if you become the premier? How do you reverse
[22:42] Speaker 1: the rot that has existed in great corruption where labors
[22:45] Speaker 1: stacked everything they could possibly stack over their time in office.
[22:49] Speaker 7: Well, Paul, I can guarantee to you and your viewers,
[22:52] Speaker 7: if I am elected premier later this year, we will
[22:55] Speaker 7: immediately establish a Royal Commission into big build corruption. We've
[23:00] Speaker 7: just heard from Robert Redleake Deborah Glass, eminent anti corruption experts,
[23:05] Speaker 7: about the rot that is set in in Victoria and
[23:08] Speaker 7: the fact that fifteen billion dollars at a minimum of
[23:11] Speaker 7: taxpayer money has gone from big build work sites into
[23:15] Speaker 7: the pockets of criminals, biky gangs, organized crime. And not
[23:20] Speaker 7: only did the Premier know this was happening, she chose
[23:23] Speaker 7: to do nothing about it. In fact, she endorsed it.
[23:27] Speaker 7: And that's why today referred the Premier to Iback to
[23:30] Speaker 7: ensure that an investigation can happen now into how this
[23:33] Speaker 7: was allowed to happen in the first place.
[23:35] Speaker 1: Also, the problem too, is that you noticed this, you
[23:38] Speaker 1: mentioned it at the time. In the state budget they
[23:40] Speaker 1: cut the funding to that very organization that you've referred to.
[23:44] Speaker 1: They cut the funding to the ombudsman. These are the umpires.
[23:49] Speaker 1: These are the people who are supposed to be the
[23:51] Speaker 1: difference between you know, the first the first world way
[23:54] Speaker 1: of doing things and corruption which has taken hold in
[23:57] Speaker 1: many other countries. Would you give more powers give greater insight?
[24:02] Speaker 1: How will you improve the oversight process of your government
[24:07] Speaker 1: should it come to be later in the year.
[24:10] Speaker 7: Your spot on, Paul, the Labor government have at every
[24:13] Speaker 7: opportunity made it harder for our anti corruption watchdog IBACK
[24:17] Speaker 7: to do their job. We will ensure that IBAC has
[24:20] Speaker 7: the powers it needs and will immediately legislate follow the
[24:24] Speaker 7: Money powers so that they can track down every single
[24:27] Speaker 7: cent of money that has gone into corruption that has
[24:30] Speaker 7: been routed from the taxpayer. We'll also ensure that they
[24:33] Speaker 7: can hold public hearings so that the Victorian people can
[24:37] Speaker 7: actually see what is happening in real time, but of
[24:40] Speaker 7: course properly resource them and ensure that the definition of
[24:43] Speaker 7: corruption meets the needs of our anticrupture watchdog.
[24:47] Speaker 1: Excellent. Now you are currently going around the entire state.
[24:50] Speaker 1: You want to hit as many electorates, in fact all
[24:52] Speaker 1: of them, as fast as possible. What's that experience like,
[24:55] Speaker 1: what's the road show like? And what's it like trying
[24:58] Speaker 1: to meet as many normal people as possible outside of
[25:00] Speaker 1: the political bubble where you're either you're pulling bees or
[25:04] Speaker 1: just trying to have quiet chats with people. What's the
[25:06] Speaker 1: feedback lock It's.
[25:08] Speaker 7: Been absolutely awesome. Where day sixteen of thirty six. So
[25:11] Speaker 7: my plan is to visit every electorate in Victoria, all
[25:15] Speaker 7: eighty eight over thirty six days in the winter recess.
[25:18] Speaker 7: Before we went to the winter recess, we moved a
[25:21] Speaker 7: no confidence motion in the Premiere, so when we return
[25:25] Speaker 7: later this month, we'll be voting on that in the Parliament.
[25:28] Speaker 7: But I wanted to use this opportunity to get around
[25:30] Speaker 7: every corner of this state to meet Victorians where they
[25:34] Speaker 7: are pull to understand their concerns, to actually listen to them,
[25:39] Speaker 7: and to ensure that we're sharing our plan and our
[25:41] Speaker 7: vision about how we can give Victoria the fresh start
[25:43] Speaker 7: it desperately needs. And I've been incredibly encouraged by the
[25:47] Speaker 7: reception we've received, but it's also been really confronting because
[25:52] Speaker 7: Victorians are angry, they feel neglected, they feel let down
[25:56] Speaker 7: by this Labor government, and nowhere is that starker than
[25:59] Speaker 7: here in regional Victoria. I mean Sheperdon. At the moment,
[26:02] Speaker 7: We've been in Chuga, today, in Rochester in Sheperd, and
[26:07] Speaker 7: yesterday we're in Longwood and I was on the back
[26:10] Speaker 7: of a CFA truck yesterday driving to Crive and Creek
[26:13] Speaker 7: with one of the CFA crews that was active during
[26:16] Speaker 7: the fires in January, and they were telling me about
[26:19] Speaker 7: the fact that they just feel forgotten by this labor government.
[26:22] Speaker 7: The truck was more than thirty years old, and the
[26:24] Speaker 7: captain said to me, if you don't drive through a tunnel,
[26:28] Speaker 7: if you don't go through a tunnel in Melbourne, Jess,
[26:30] Speaker 7: it just feels like you don't matter in this state.
[26:32] Speaker 7: And I think that's emblematic of everything that is wrong
[26:35] Speaker 7: with this labor government. And that's why I'm going the
[26:38] Speaker 7: ground here understanding these concerns and sharing our solutions.
[26:41] Speaker 1: Well, by the way, while you're in Sheperd and no
[26:43] Speaker 1: doubt you move on again to morrowgo and check out
[26:45] Speaker 1: that car museum move which is in Shepherd and good people.
[26:48] Speaker 1: It's a good place to have a look at the
[26:50] Speaker 1: art set well do impressive as well too. Pretty beautiful here, yeah,
[26:53] Speaker 1: it is pretty amazing. But also there was a great
[26:55] Speaker 1: piece in the Age today which was a collection of
[26:57] Speaker 1: people in regional Victoria who we're explaining how they'd had
[27:01] Speaker 1: enough right explaining as well that it is more complicated
[27:04] Speaker 1: than just wind farms. It's about things like the quality
[27:07] Speaker 1: of the roads, like anyone who's had to go for
[27:10] Speaker 1: a drive, you know, the Swanheil, you name it, right.
[27:13] Speaker 1: The roads in Regional Victoria are appalling and there have
[27:17] Speaker 1: been plenty of politicians who've turned around and said, oh,
[27:19] Speaker 1: we're going to do something, but lay out the plan
[27:21] Speaker 1: of how you would fix those roads, because people have
[27:25] Speaker 1: every right to be able to travel around outside of
[27:28] Speaker 1: Melbourne with the same safety as people driving in Melbourne.
[27:33] Speaker 7: Well that's right, and I have to say that the
[27:35] Speaker 7: roads in Melbourne are pretty bad too. Now that's the
[27:38] Speaker 7: level of neglect from this government. But across Regional Victoria
[27:40] Speaker 7: they are calling they are simply unsafe. I was driving
[27:44] Speaker 7: up the Hume yesterday and there were literal craters in
[27:47] Speaker 7: the road. There was I think in one section of
[27:50] Speaker 7: the Hume about six cars on the side of the
[27:52] Speaker 7: road changing their tires. So not only is it unsafe,
[27:55] Speaker 7: but it's actually costing Victorians as well. You know, they're
[27:58] Speaker 7: having to replace their tires and it's not fair. We
[28:01] Speaker 7: do have a plan, a plan to guarantee twenty five
[28:05] Speaker 7: percent of funding infrastructure funding will go to Regional Victoria.
[28:09] Speaker 7: Right now, it's only twelve percent under this labor government.
[28:12] Speaker 7: But twenty five percent of Victoria's population is in regional Victoria,
[28:16] Speaker 7: so they deserve their fair share. So we'll guarantee that
[28:20] Speaker 7: twenty five percent of funding, but also make sure we're
[28:22] Speaker 7: doing the work on actually upgrading and maintaining the roads.
[28:26] Speaker 7: What we're seeing now from this labor government is a
[28:28] Speaker 7: plan to patch our roads. That's not good enough. We
[28:32] Speaker 7: actually need to make sure that we're doing the upgrading,
[28:34] Speaker 7: we're doing the receiling so we're not seeing the potholes
[28:36] Speaker 7: develop in the first place. And Paul, you know, I
[28:39] Speaker 7: can't fix this overnight. The problems in Victoria are so
[28:42] Speaker 7: immense now, they're so so large that it will take time.
[28:47] Speaker 7: But what I'm saying to Victorians on this tour and
[28:49] Speaker 7: over the next five months is that I will fight
[28:52] Speaker 7: every day to fix this state because I love it here.
[28:55] Speaker 7: It's where I was born, it's where I grew up,
[28:57] Speaker 7: It's where I'm choosing to raise my family, my little boy,
[29:00] Speaker 7: and I want him to have the Victoria I grew up.
[29:02] Speaker 7: And again, I know we can do it. I know
[29:04] Speaker 7: we can bring hope back to this state. And I'm
[29:06] Speaker 7: asking Victorians to put their trust in me to be
[29:08] Speaker 7: their next premier to do that.
[29:10] Speaker 1: Good on you, Jess. The passion is obvious, the commitment
[29:12] Speaker 1: is clear, the energy trying to get to every single
[29:15] Speaker 1: electorate is admirable. All the best to look forward to
[29:17] Speaker 1: many chats between now and election day, enjoying the next
[29:20] Speaker 1: few days and you look at the beautiful state. Good
[29:22] Speaker 1: on your mate, Jess Wilson joining us from Sheppard and
[29:24] Speaker 1: again you seriously that move or to museum well fantastic,
[29:28] Speaker 1: fantastic everything from big buses to race cars and all
[29:31] Speaker 1: in between. Remember we did an outdown from there a
[29:34] Speaker 1: few years ago. I'm sure you can find that up
[29:36] Speaker 1: on YouTube. Quick break back with more lots to talk about, yeah,
[29:38] Speaker 1: including the Prime minister's podcast problems, but a few more
[29:41] Speaker 1: serious things than that. We get to that in a
[29:43] Speaker 1: moment or two time, and an update from our mates
[29:45] Speaker 1: at the kids' helpline before we are done. Thanks for
[29:47] Speaker 1: watching tonight. You're on Paul Murray Life. Thank you so
[29:54] Speaker 1: much for watching. Matt Canavan is on Hollos for the
[29:56] Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, so in his place is a
[29:58] Speaker 1: member of the Lmpluo. O'Brien love it to see him
[30:00] Speaker 1: fighting fit and ready to go in GIMPI how goods
[30:02] Speaker 1: at Australian flag. I love a lou fire up power,
[30:05] Speaker 1: I love it. Darren Barnett speaking of a true blue
[30:08] Speaker 1: was as well, of course is.
[30:09] Speaker 13: Here I've got the man cave his backjob correct?
[30:13] Speaker 11: All right?
[30:13] Speaker 1: Well I've got to say he wins, he wins out
[30:15] Speaker 1: and I'm even having to go my own thing here.
[30:17] Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk here about the prime minister's
[30:20] Speaker 1: podcast problem now, Darren. The reality is the media is
[30:25] Speaker 1: a lot wider and different than it's ever been. This
[30:27] Speaker 1: more opportunity to talk to people than ever before. You've
[30:30] Speaker 1: been in a position where you've given Prime Minister's advice
[30:33] Speaker 1: about which shows and all the rest of it.
[30:34] Speaker 13: Here, I didn't advise Gillar to do that one with
[30:37] Speaker 13: a knitting thankfully.
[30:39] Speaker 1: That weekly I remember that one. Why at the lodge?
[30:44] Speaker 1: If you're going to do it? Why at the lodge?
[30:46] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do it in a park somewhere in
[30:48] Speaker 1: Camberra if you're going to do it? And when the
[30:50] Speaker 1: question one ndred percent of the time, the person asking
[30:53] Speaker 1: the question is more nervous than the person who's answering
[30:55] Speaker 1: the question. So he had total power to go next.
[30:58] Speaker 13: So a couple of things. I reckon do it at
[31:00] Speaker 13: the lodge. It's the same reason that you invite people
[31:03] Speaker 13: from podcasts to the lock up for the budget. It
[31:06] Speaker 13: makes them feel important and feel like they're part of
[31:10] Speaker 13: having something a little bit of special access. I don't
[31:12] Speaker 13: have a problem with that in terms of the content.
[31:17] Speaker 13: It's a question that she asks everybody. I suspect the
[31:21] Speaker 13: thinking was I don't want to make it X, Y,
[31:23] Speaker 13: and Z, so lump one with all three without kind
[31:26] Speaker 13: of realizing the blowback would be what it was. But
[31:30] Speaker 13: it was judicious at best. You should have just not
[31:34] Speaker 13: answered the question.
[31:35] Speaker 1: I mean, the truth is, Lou the landminds are obvious
[31:38] Speaker 1: whether the outrage is real or not. And again, I'm
[31:40] Speaker 1: not going to sit here and sort of pretend to
[31:42] Speaker 1: be Captain Pearl Clutch, who I've never heard an offensive
[31:45] Speaker 1: joke in my last If.
[31:46] Speaker 13: Your p understandings are different, right, if you're the PM,
[31:49] Speaker 13: the standards a different They always had that.
[31:51] Speaker 1: And that's the point lot your thoughts.
[31:54] Speaker 11: Look, I agree, but you know it's pretty extraordinary, really.
[32:01] Speaker 3: I mean, the podcast is called bush Deep.
[32:04] Speaker 11: I think it's actually pretty funny and Whilst I get
[32:09] Speaker 11: that the prime it's the Prime minister, and you know,
[32:12] Speaker 11: he has a standard that he has to maintain. I
[32:15] Speaker 11: think it's I think the average Australian thinks it's pretty trivial.
[32:20] Speaker 3: And you know, I.
[32:23] Speaker 11: Think if you're sitting at home today tonight wondering about
[32:27] Speaker 11: how you're going to pay the bills, put the groceries
[32:29] Speaker 11: on the table, and people are talking about this sort
[32:31] Speaker 11: of stuff, that this is why OSSI's why Ossie's get
[32:34] Speaker 11: upset with us. But you know, in terms of for me,
[32:40] Speaker 11: it's like the hypocrisy that goes on here is extraordinary.
[32:45] Speaker 11: We've seen all of the people that will typically come
[32:47] Speaker 11: out with military precision attacking a coalition member if he
[32:53] Speaker 11: went down that path absolutely silent, absolutely silent, and some
[32:57] Speaker 11: of them defending him. So it's the it's the double
[33:00] Speaker 11: standard that I find offensive.
[33:03] Speaker 3: The joke so white, you know, so white?
[33:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, look and look, reality is you know. I like
[33:09] Speaker 1: Nicky Osborne. I like when she was on the radio
[33:11] Speaker 1: on the Telly Rights. She writes some interesting things in
[33:13] Speaker 1: the papers every now and then. The character is obviously
[33:15] Speaker 1: taking off. But again I just do I think it's
[33:18] Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the world. No, but do I
[33:19] Speaker 1: want to expose the double standard discuss the reaction to it?
[33:22] Speaker 1: You bet you So. Soccer rus are back after being
[33:25] Speaker 1: booted out of the World Cup. By the way, what
[33:27] Speaker 1: about that England match today? Unbelievable?
[33:30] Speaker 13: And then Allway match, Both messages are unreal.
[33:33] Speaker 1: It's going to be It is awesome. I'm sort of
[33:35] Speaker 1: sad that we're getting to the pointing end of things
[33:37] Speaker 1: because I like having.
[33:38] Speaker 13: So the mensus Simpson's prediction is now not possible. That
[33:41] Speaker 13: Mexico has knocked out Mexico versus power was going and
[33:44] Speaker 13: that was Mexico Portugal.
[33:46] Speaker 1: All right.
[33:46] Speaker 6: Cool.
[33:47] Speaker 1: There's very specific references to people who loved the Simpsons
[33:51] Speaker 1: from the nineties. But I'm with you and I love
[33:52] Speaker 1: some soccer, all right. But one of the soccer russ
[33:55] Speaker 1: come back and dived headfirst into all of this monoculture
[33:59] Speaker 1: multicultural stuf. One of them says that it's bs to
[34:01] Speaker 1: suggest that Australia is not a successful multicultural country. Of course,
[34:05] Speaker 1: the left was trying to own the soccer rules as
[34:08] Speaker 1: such a symbol. Lou your thoughts on the soccer rules
[34:12] Speaker 1: buying into this or the people who tried to fix
[34:14] Speaker 1: their worldview to the bandwagon of the soccer room.
[34:20] Speaker 3: Mate.
[34:20] Speaker 11: Well, look, Pauline did raise this first of all, and
[34:25] Speaker 11: I think she was the target of the comments today. Look,
[34:29] Speaker 11: when you take on citizenship, there's only I.
[34:32] Speaker 3: Think we're in.
[34:32] Speaker 11: We live in a success for multicultural society. I think
[34:36] Speaker 11: it's made our nation great. If we didn't have it,
[34:39] Speaker 11: we wouldn't be the nation we.
[34:40] Speaker 3: Are today, that's for sure.
[34:42] Speaker 11: But you know, I think the one thing if you're
[34:47] Speaker 11: taking on citizenship that you have to have is a
[34:49] Speaker 11: primary allegiance to our country. That's the overarching if you
[34:53] Speaker 11: want to say anything, we should all think in one way,
[34:56] Speaker 11: it should be that we have a primary allegiance to Australia.
[35:00] Speaker 11: So if you've got a dual citizenship and you'll love
[35:02] Speaker 11: another country more, I don't agree with that. I think
[35:06] Speaker 11: you should probably bugger off. But you need to love
[35:10] Speaker 11: this country, and you know, I think most people coming
[35:14] Speaker 11: from other countries do. But if you come here and
[35:17] Speaker 11: your standards are such that you don't you know, I
[35:21] Speaker 11: know we're just talking about the Prime minister, but you
[35:22] Speaker 11: don't see women as being equal to you, or you
[35:24] Speaker 11: think they should wear a particular force them to wear
[35:27] Speaker 11: a particular type of outfit you can.
[35:29] Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. I don't think that's Australian.
[35:32] Speaker 11: But for me, it's about primary having a primary allegiance
[35:35] Speaker 11: to this country, as our ANZACs have done well before us.
[35:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, as we just saw in
[35:42] Speaker 1: America over their weekend. I love the idea that it
[35:44] Speaker 1: didn't matter whether you were super lefty in California or
[35:47] Speaker 1: as red as they come in Tennessee. Right, the rallying
[35:51] Speaker 1: around the flag, all that sort of stuff. I think
[35:53] Speaker 1: that in fairness, that's what meaning people have a certain
[35:56] Speaker 1: envy four and we'd like to see a bit more
[35:58] Speaker 1: here because again we don't have this national day that
[36:02] Speaker 1: has a uniformity of celebration. There's all this corporate class
[36:05] Speaker 1: that don't want to get involved in the councils who
[36:08] Speaker 1: kind of want to fifty to fifty on all of it.
[36:10] Speaker 1: The people who want to get rid of it all,
[36:11] Speaker 1: all the nonsense of let's move it to April thirteen
[36:14] Speaker 1: and then it'll all be fixed. Well, that's garbage. But
[36:17] Speaker 1: the soccer US, they every four years get total attention
[36:20] Speaker 1: and this is their moment to push back. And one
[36:22] Speaker 1: of the mist.
[36:23] Speaker 13: To be fair to the soccer us. The question put
[36:26] Speaker 13: to him was do you think we're a successful multicultural country?
[36:30] Speaker 13: And therefore you know what about the reverse? So there
[36:33] Speaker 13: was a kind of as a leader to believe it
[36:35] Speaker 13: a push poll. It wasn't a kind of Paul Enhancen
[36:38] Speaker 13: said this, would you think of Paul? It wasn't. So
[36:40] Speaker 13: they kind of spliced together a couple of things. But
[36:42] Speaker 13: what I think is interesting that the monoculture argument has
[36:45] Speaker 13: now become the new version of the howard An Australian
[36:49] Speaker 13: argument that monoculture can mean anything from white Anglo Saxon
[36:56] Speaker 13: Protestant to anyone who comes to Australia and adopts values.
[37:00] Speaker 13: It's an elastic term. So Pauline might say, well, the
[37:03] Speaker 13: soccas are in because they come here, they play by
[37:07] Speaker 13: show rules and they behave so and in her mind
[37:10] Speaker 13: and under that definition, everyone's in except those who kind
[37:13] Speaker 13: of break the law. So it's one of those things
[37:16] Speaker 13: it's very hard to define. It's easier to define what's not.
[37:19] Speaker 13: And I think it's become that Australian UnAustralian argument for
[37:23] Speaker 13: the modern times, and no one can define it. So
[37:25] Speaker 13: everyone's going to suit themselves with the definition that makes
[37:28] Speaker 13: them look as good as possible all the way to
[37:30] Speaker 13: the next election.
[37:31] Speaker 1: Now, the gambling ads, which have been a quick little
[37:35] Speaker 1: push through from the government towards the end of sitting
[37:38] Speaker 1: last week. It's going to have some restrictions on television
[37:41] Speaker 1: and radio, but it seems like the plethora of these
[37:45] Speaker 1: things will continue, particularly on the streaming services. Now, Lou,
[37:51] Speaker 1: I'm a person who knows that most people who gamble,
[37:55] Speaker 1: they don't end up having a terrible experience with it,
[37:58] Speaker 1: but those who do have a terrible experience with it,
[38:00] Speaker 1: it becomes catastrophic. But it's pretty amazing that one set
[38:04] Speaker 1: of media has to apply. It's a little bit like
[38:06] Speaker 1: the election blackout stuff right. Conveniently, the legislation wants to
[38:10] Speaker 1: pretend that we're in nineteen eighty four, but the reality
[38:14] Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty six. If you're going to pull
[38:16] Speaker 1: a pin in some areas, you've got to pull the
[38:18] Speaker 1: pin in all areas, right.
[38:21] Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I agree, there needs to be consistency, and yes,
[38:25] Speaker 11: you're right, it's you. It's devastating for those people that
[38:28] Speaker 11: have got a problem with gambling. I had an account.
[38:32] Speaker 11: I don't gamble all that much. I don't gamble at all,
[38:35] Speaker 11: really or not much. My account shut down for some reason.
[38:41] Speaker 11: Goodness knows why, I jarkingly said, I think it's because
[38:45] Speaker 11: I went over a fifty dollars threshold and my wife
[38:47] Speaker 11: probably dagged me in. But getting back into that account
[38:51] Speaker 11: was just extraordinary. I had to go through all of
[38:54] Speaker 11: these checks and balances and then speak to someone.
[38:58] Speaker 3: So there are system in place.
[39:00] Speaker 11: They're probably I'm more concerned about people on the pokes,
[39:04] Speaker 11: to be honest with you, And you know.
[39:08] Speaker 3: There's got to be consistency.
[39:09] Speaker 11: And also we've got to think about as well that
[39:11] Speaker 11: not every sport is the same, not every covering, every
[39:15] Speaker 11: sport is the same. Like I like the UFC and
[39:19] Speaker 11: talking to them the other day about some of these issues.
[39:22] Speaker 11: And you know, digitally removing an advertising banner from overseas
[39:28] Speaker 11: is a technology that's a lot harder to apply in
[39:31] Speaker 11: an octagon than it is on a soccer for a
[39:33] Speaker 11: footing for so we've got to have a bit of flexibility.
[39:38] Speaker 11: We've got a Senate inquiry happening, but you know, everyone's
[39:41] Speaker 11: looking at it closely. But the other thing is too, like, yes,
[39:44] Speaker 11: we need to do something, but this nanny state stuff
[39:46] Speaker 11: we've got to make sure that it just feels to
[39:49] Speaker 11: me like we're continually putting more restrictions on people and
[39:53] Speaker 11: taking away their free will.
[39:55] Speaker 13: I'm with you completely do I'll watch a lot of
[39:57] Speaker 13: sport on I used to watch a lot of Fox Sports.
[39:59] Speaker 13: Now it's k and I really do not miss the
[40:03] Speaker 13: live sports betting updates and throw to former player X
[40:06] Speaker 13: and mister Waterhouse who was on every day.
[40:09] Speaker 1: But is what happened?
[40:10] Speaker 13: In return? You can watch an AFL game and there
[40:14] Speaker 13: will be a segment where it will see we will
[40:16] Speaker 13: return to normal programming in due course. Yes, no one's
[40:20] Speaker 13: paying for that ad slot. So that counter argument of
[40:24] Speaker 13: advertising fuels money into the sport that then leads to
[40:29] Speaker 13: a better TV rights deal that leads to more money
[40:33] Speaker 13: for players and more money to grow the game. So
[40:36] Speaker 13: the world has changed and they are one of cigarettes
[40:40] Speaker 13: can't have. But it was the Benson and Hedges World
[40:42] Speaker 13: Service Cup, then it was the VB, then it was
[40:45] Speaker 13: a bank. Look that advertising revenue is a required part
[40:49] Speaker 13: of it.
[40:49] Speaker 1: If you want the rights to be billions, someone who's
[40:51] Speaker 1: got to pay for them. How do they respect that advertiser?
[40:54] Speaker 13: Where's that tipping point? And if it is not allowed
[40:58] Speaker 13: on free tooware and allowed on streaming, then maybe that's okay.
[41:01] Speaker 13: But as a consumer, I don't miss those ads at all.
[41:05] Speaker 1: All right, lads, I do appreciate it, all right. Well,
[41:07] Speaker 1: whichever way you subscribe, make sure you subscribe Fox, Oko,
[41:10] Speaker 1: skot News, Apple, you know the way it works, all right,
[41:12] Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, do appreciate it. In a moment's time,
[41:14] Speaker 1: we're going to have a chatter the kids Helpline. You
[41:16] Speaker 1: know I love their work, a little checking with them
[41:18] Speaker 1: about how things are going and the kids who need
[41:20] Speaker 1: even more help and how you can do so. Next
[41:22] Speaker 1: here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching. Now, you
[41:29] Speaker 1: know that I love the Kids' Helpline, the work that
[41:31] Speaker 1: they do, the employees, the volunteers that are around it.
[41:34] Speaker 1: It is a really special service. It'll forever, forever be
[41:39] Speaker 1: a source of thanks for me. How you stepped up
[41:41] Speaker 1: and you helped us raise some money for the Kid's
[41:43] Speaker 1: Help Line anytime that I've asked. And it's always good
[41:46] Speaker 1: to check in with them to see how they're going,
[41:48] Speaker 1: how the effort is and who they're helping. Tracy Adams
[41:51] Speaker 1: is of course your town CEO. It's always great to
[41:54] Speaker 1: see her and she joins us now from Brisbane. Sadly
[41:57] Speaker 1: things get busier, don't they, Mate.
[42:01] Speaker 10: They certainly are. We've had a very big twelve months,
[42:04] Speaker 10: more than one hundred and twenty eight thousand responses and
[42:08] Speaker 10: more than five thousand of those crisis responses from young people.
[42:13] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just having a look at some of
[42:14] Speaker 1: these numbers which were there about your impact study, twenty
[42:18] Speaker 1: thousand contacts for emotional wellbeing, sixteen thousand for mental health concerns,
[42:24] Speaker 1: again over and over. And the age range is something
[42:28] Speaker 1: that people need to understand here. We're not just talking
[42:30] Speaker 1: about teenagers, are we, mate, No, Well.
[42:34] Speaker 10: The service is available for those age between five and
[42:37] Speaker 10: twenty five, and about seventy percent of all of our
[42:41] Speaker 10: responses between the ages of ten and eighteen. But we
[42:45] Speaker 10: do get very young children contacting the service, and whilst
[42:49] Speaker 10: that can seem to be really sad to think about that,
[42:52] Speaker 10: it's also very important that children always know that there's
[42:55] Speaker 10: somebody there for them.
[42:57] Speaker 1: So give us an idea about how things have changed
[43:00] Speaker 1: in the times that we've been talking over the years,
[43:02] Speaker 1: is that obviously there's a lot more interactions that happen
[43:05] Speaker 1: via say at text messaging and WhatsApp. There's lots of
[43:09] Speaker 1: ways to contact. Have the types of concerns changed? Are
[43:14] Speaker 1: there certain things that are starting to spike or stand
[43:17] Speaker 1: out for you in your tenure with your town.
[43:23] Speaker 10: Certainly a number of things have changed in the last
[43:25] Speaker 10: couple of years. More and more contacts come outside traditional
[43:29] Speaker 10: business hours, so more than seventy percent, and that's often
[43:33] Speaker 10: reflective of the fact that there aren't really any other
[43:35] Speaker 10: services available. Twenty four to seven, more and more young
[43:39] Speaker 10: people are using webchat. It's become the channel of choice.
[43:42] Speaker 10: So it's about creating the space that they're comfortable and
[43:45] Speaker 10: it's been important. But what has us concerned most importantly
[43:49] Speaker 10: is the rise in crisis contacts where the counselors have
[43:53] Speaker 10: deemed that the young person needs immediate emergency response. That's
[43:58] Speaker 10: largely related to young person who's at high risk of
[44:01] Speaker 10: harming themselves or a young person at risk of harm
[44:05] Speaker 10: by someone else.
[44:07] Speaker 1: I have long believed that I want the telephone number
[44:10] Speaker 1: to be drilled into everyone's head. I want the website
[44:12] Speaker 1: to be known, and I have spoken to my kids
[44:15] Speaker 1: about it, right and obviously, you know, we're confident that
[44:18] Speaker 1: they're growing up in a safe and supportive environment. But
[44:21] Speaker 1: I want them to be able to know that there
[44:23] Speaker 1: is this service, that it's a service that they could
[44:25] Speaker 1: give advice to their friends about again. One eight hundred,
[44:28] Speaker 1: double five, one eight hundred, one eight hundred, double five,
[44:31] Speaker 1: one eight hundred the website Kidshelpline dot com. Do are you?
[44:37] Speaker 1: But as always they need help. And as you can
[44:39] Speaker 1: see on the screen right now, you can give thirty five,
[44:41] Speaker 1: fifty five or a whole lot more. You can do
[44:44] Speaker 1: it once, you can do it weekly, you can do
[44:46] Speaker 1: it monthly. But give me an idea if somebody gave
[44:48] Speaker 1: fifty dollars or one hundred dollars tonight, what does that
[44:51] Speaker 1: start to build towards? Give us an idea about where
[44:54] Speaker 1: the money goes.
[44:55] Speaker 10: Mate, Well, it will definitely go towards providing a sponsor.
[45:00] Speaker 10: One hundred dollars will make sure that we are doing
[45:03] Speaker 10: more than just one response, We're doing two. It will
[45:06] Speaker 10: also make sure that our counselors. We've got more and
[45:08] Speaker 10: more counselors that we need to keep adding twenty four
[45:11] Speaker 10: to seven. I've mentioned that our call times are changing.
[45:15] Speaker 10: We've had to put more staff on working after midnight
[45:18] Speaker 10: every night because we're getting an increase in crisis presentations
[45:22] Speaker 10: at that time, So they're absolutely going to make a
[45:25] Speaker 10: contribution to ensuring a young person it's help when they
[45:29] Speaker 10: most need it. And if you think about our region
[45:32] Speaker 10: or in remote locations, often kids Helpline is the only
[45:36] Speaker 10: place for a child to turn to.
[45:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is what's equally inspiring because you're there,
[45:42] Speaker 1: but frightening because it's needed. So I've met plenty of
[45:45] Speaker 1: people over the years that are ones that have been
[45:47] Speaker 1: answering the phone or on the other side of the screen.
[45:51] Speaker 1: The people who work in the organization are phenomenal. Give
[45:55] Speaker 1: us an idea about the levels of training and support
[45:57] Speaker 1: that you have to continually offered to make sure that
[46:00] Speaker 1: you've got the best of the best and that the
[46:02] Speaker 1: best of the best of being taken care of so
[46:04] Speaker 1: they can take care of the kids.
[46:08] Speaker 10: While our counselors are all tertiary qualified psychologists or social
[46:12] Speaker 10: workers with or with a counseling degree, then they're also
[46:16] Speaker 10: provided training on a whole range of emerging issues, things
[46:19] Speaker 10: like sextortion, the mandatory reporting requirements, how to ensure that
[46:24] Speaker 10: we're keeping up to date with what young people are
[46:27] Speaker 10: presenting where they can refer young people to for face
[46:30] Speaker 10: to face support, and that's what a young person wants.
[46:33] Speaker 10: It's constant. As I've mentioned, they've got to be able
[46:37] Speaker 10: to work across a twenty four to seven shift pattern.
[46:40] Speaker 10: That's not always easy. They're very much in line with
[46:43] Speaker 10: other first responders, but they have an absolute commitment to
[46:47] Speaker 10: really ensuring that young people always know there's someone there
[46:52] Speaker 10: and so when people support us, that's really what they're enabling.
[46:56] Speaker 1: Tracy again, strength to your arm, Strength to everyone in
[46:58] Speaker 1: your organization. I hope that people who've got the time,
[47:02] Speaker 1: and I know it's tight, but if they can give
[47:04] Speaker 1: to anything, that they give to your course, because honestly,
[47:06] Speaker 1: this is one that means a world to me. And
[47:08] Speaker 1: thank you for all of your efforts, mate, I appreciate it.
[47:12] Speaker 1: Thanks Paul good on your Tracy Tracy Adams there of course,
[47:15] Speaker 1: the CEO of your town, the specific organization, the Kids
[47:19] Speaker 1: Help Line again, Kids Helpline dot com dot au. If
[47:22] Speaker 1: we can bring the donate slide up again, guys, because
[47:24] Speaker 1: I want everyone to be able to see here that
[47:26] Speaker 1: your money does help. And even though your kids are okay,
[47:30] Speaker 1: your grandkids are okay, your nieces and nephews are okay.
[47:33] Speaker 1: If it means you're not going to go out for
[47:35] Speaker 1: dinner this weekend, then awesome. What you would otherwise have
[47:37] Speaker 1: spent on yourself? Can you please help us spend it
[47:40] Speaker 1: on the kids and the people who are taking care
[47:42] Speaker 1: of them kids. Helpline dot com dot au forward slash
[47:45] Speaker 1: donate is the way to do so. As always, you
[47:47] Speaker 1: guys are incredible every time I put this one up,
[47:49] Speaker 1: so strength and love more than a set here on Paul,
[47:51] Speaker 1: my real life. You work hard. We all pay too
[48:01] Speaker 1: much tax. It goes to pay for the politicians who
[48:04] Speaker 1: rule us as they do, and the people who make
[48:07] Speaker 1: social media videos like this about them, including this labor senator.
[48:12] Speaker 13: So what's the trend?
[48:14] Speaker 1: I say your policy and the faster you rhyme, the
[48:15] Speaker 1: more you like it.
[48:16] Speaker 13: For example, tax coup for workers.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Wait does it? This is a workday for politicians, including
[48:31] Speaker 1: the former Minister for the Republic.
[48:34] Speaker 3: Hemma.
[48:35] Speaker 11: How many Australians are getting a pay rise this week?
[48:40] Speaker 1: Three minute? I wonder? Of course they're led by the
[48:44] Speaker 1: bloke who thinks you know what? Get the podcast over
[48:47] Speaker 1: to the launch for would you rather the twenty first
[48:50] Speaker 1: century version? That's a show tonight See you again tomorrow.
[48:53] Speaker 1: Nigel Faraj, a special guest
[49:00] Speaker 9: Ye

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.