# Paul Murray Live | 16 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 16 Apr 2026, 49 min.

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Anthony Albanese is on leg three of his begging for fossil fuels tour, more Aussies are upping their credit card limits, and another rate rise all but confirmed. Plus, Donald Trump versus the Pope. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show. I'm Dedekity Giorgio filling
[0:10] Speaker 2: in again for Paul Murray and the Man Cave. Coming
[0:12] Speaker 2: up on tonight's program, The PM's on leg three of
[0:15] Speaker 2: his begging for fossil Fuels tour while his energy minister
[0:19] Speaker 2: is at home demonizing fossil fuels and spooking evs. You
[0:23] Speaker 2: can't make this stuff up. LMP and p Garth Hamilton
[0:26] Speaker 2: will join me shortly. Household spending saws again, more ossies
[0:30] Speaker 2: are rupping their credit card limits, and another rate rise
[0:34] Speaker 2: all but confirmed, and we'll catch up with our friend
[0:37] Speaker 2: Cole Flynn for the latest on Donald Trump versus the Pope. Now, look,
[0:42] Speaker 2: one of the big concerns I know my generation has
[0:45] Speaker 2: is whether or not we will be able to afford
[0:47] Speaker 2: our own home. And I've got to say, my friends
[0:50] Speaker 2: and I talk about this all the time, about being
[0:52] Speaker 2: able to purchase a home in this obviously increasingly tight
[0:56] Speaker 2: and expensive market, but also at a time where there's
[1:00] Speaker 2: are not enough homes to begin with. We've got construction
[1:04] Speaker 2: at record lows across the country, and the big one
[1:08] Speaker 2: migration is placing a significant strain on the market. Now
[1:11] Speaker 2: we've spoken a lot in the past week about how
[1:14] Speaker 2: big Australia keeps getting bigger. And finally, of course, the
[1:17] Speaker 2: starting gun was fired on migration after the Coalition announced
[1:22] Speaker 2: its policy, albeit without a figure on the number of
[1:25] Speaker 2: migrants it would let in annually if elected. But I've
[1:29] Speaker 2: got to say now that figure is more crucial than ever.
[1:32] Speaker 2: We need a number. It's very easy to see that
[1:35] Speaker 2: our population is growing rapidly. I mean I see it
[1:38] Speaker 2: all the time when I'm out on the roads. It's gridlocked.
[1:41] Speaker 2: You go over the Sydney Harbor Bridge, it's bumper to bumper.
[1:44] Speaker 2: I'm sure you're seeing the exact same thing too in
[1:47] Speaker 2: your cities and the towns that you live in. But
[1:50] Speaker 2: we don't have the infrastructure to cater for a growing population,
[1:54] Speaker 2: let alone the housing. And it's utter madness to keep
[1:58] Speaker 2: letting people in to to keep the doors open until
[2:02] Speaker 2: we fix this housing crisis, get ossies into homes and
[2:06] Speaker 2: make it more affordable to do so. According to new data,
[2:10] Speaker 2: Australia's population is growing three times faster the new housing
[2:16] Speaker 2: is getting built, due to record levels of migration and
[2:20] Speaker 2: sluggish home construction. Labor has not achieved not one of
[2:26] Speaker 2: its housing targets set out in its own Housing Accord.
[2:30] Speaker 2: It is meant to build one point two million homes
[2:33] Speaker 2: by the end of the decade, but it's a year
[2:36] Speaker 2: behind schedule and has anyone got eyes on the housing
[2:42] Speaker 2: Minister Claire O'Neill, Is she focused at all on fixing
[2:46] Speaker 2: the housing crisis? What would happen if one nation for the.
[2:50] Speaker 3: Government build yourself up into an alternative government?
[2:53] Speaker 1: You bet it is.
[2:54] Speaker 2: First, you've been getting paidless because one nation have consistently
[2:58] Speaker 2: failed to backflow paid workers. Second, you'd have less rights
[3:01] Speaker 2: in your workplace. Nope, she's out on a jog filming
[3:04] Speaker 2: herself today, obsessing over one nation. Seriously, Now, let's have
[3:10] Speaker 2: a look at the breakdown of the states. New South
[3:12] Speaker 2: Wales is two years behind its share of delivering on
[3:15] Speaker 2: the national housing target, Queensland and South Australia over a year,
[3:20] Speaker 2: Tasmania over four years and up in the Northern Territory, well,
[3:24] Speaker 2: they're five and a half years behind. Disaster, despite the
[3:29] Speaker 2: fact Labor was elected on this very mandate. We've got
[3:33] Speaker 2: to build, build, build.
[3:34] Speaker 4: Built up the housing development.
[3:37] Speaker 2: Deliver housing supports for Australians build more homes and uplifted housing.
[3:41] Speaker 2: We've got to build, build, built, well, we're not build
[3:45] Speaker 2: build building. Australia's population growth is not keeping up with it.
[3:51] Speaker 2: Growth over twenty twenty three to twenty twenty five was
[3:55] Speaker 2: one point five million, but the total housing completions over
[3:59] Speaker 2: the at time time was five hundred and twenty seven thousand.
[4:05] Speaker 2: Population growth since the end of the pandemic has been
[4:07] Speaker 2: almost three times the number of houses constructed. Housing supply
[4:14] Speaker 2: is not keeping up with the demand of population growth
[4:18] Speaker 2: fueled by migration. And if you compare those housing figures
[4:21] Speaker 2: with the number of people actually coming into the country.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Net permanent and long term arrivals were fifty seven thousand
[4:28] Speaker 2: people in January. That's the highest figure ever recorded in
[4:31] Speaker 2: the first month of the year. In the twelve months
[4:34] Speaker 2: to January, the total was four hundred and ninety four
[4:36] Speaker 2: and a half thousand arrivals, the highest in recorded history,
[4:42] Speaker 2: record after record. What sort of an immigration policy is
[4:48] Speaker 2: Labor running now post COVID, since Labor was elected and
[4:51] Speaker 2: in most states of course being Labour run. Two things
[4:54] Speaker 2: have clearly gotten worse and we are the ones who
[4:56] Speaker 2: are paying for this big Australia via a housing, rental,
[5:00] Speaker 2: cost of living and homelessness crisis, and not to mention,
[5:03] Speaker 2: of course, the social impacts. I mean look at youth crime. Now,
[5:06] Speaker 2: those figures that I outline probably come as no surprise
[5:09] Speaker 2: to you, You've seen it. But how can any government
[5:12] Speaker 2: keep this welcome matt open while not being able to
[5:14] Speaker 2: actually provide a roof over the heads of everyday Aussies
[5:18] Speaker 2: and at the same time refused to have a debate
[5:21] Speaker 2: on this issue.
[5:22] Speaker 5: The diet chide from mister Taylor has nothing to do
[5:26] Speaker 5: with the national interest and is entirely about sending a
[5:28] Speaker 5: message to one.
[5:30] Speaker 6: Nation Angus Taylor is basically just plagiarizing the politics and
[5:35] Speaker 6: the rhetoric of other countries.
[5:36] Speaker 5: And another time we have any immigration policy focused on
[5:40] Speaker 5: the skills we need.
[5:41] Speaker 6: We're obviously doing a lot of work to make sure
[5:45] Speaker 6: that the immigration system is fit for purpose.
[5:48] Speaker 2: Look, obviously Labour loves a big Australia because it suits
[5:52] Speaker 2: them politically. You might remember before last year's election, remember
[5:56] Speaker 2: Tony burkwent on this citizenship bonanza tour of Australia where
[6:00] Speaker 2: everyone got rapid fire citizenships like oprah winfree. It was
[6:04] Speaker 2: like you get a citizenship, You get a citizenship. Every
[6:08] Speaker 2: man and their dog got a citizenship suddenly because migrants
[6:12] Speaker 2: are likely to return the favor and vote for Labor.
[6:15] Speaker 2: It is sloppy politics, and migration is the only thing
[6:19] Speaker 2: propping up the Ponzi scheme economy. Without high migration, experts
[6:23] Speaker 2: have long warned that we would have been in a
[6:26] Speaker 2: recession long ago. There was no debate on numbers or
[6:30] Speaker 2: on migration at the last election. And already, as we've
[6:33] Speaker 2: seen this week, the left, you know, having this big meltdown,
[6:37] Speaker 2: tearing their hair out over Angus Taylor's rational and sensible
[6:42] Speaker 2: suggestion to have an immigration policy based on values. But
[6:46] Speaker 2: we need a number, a major reduction in the number
[6:49] Speaker 2: of people coming in and where they're from, because nobody
[6:52] Speaker 2: ever voted for Labour's Big Australia. Now there's a real
[6:59] Speaker 2: messaging crisis happening with Labor at the moment. Does it
[7:02] Speaker 2: even know what message it's trying to send when it
[7:06] Speaker 2: comes to this fuel crisis. You've got the Prime Minister
[7:10] Speaker 2: overseas right now, he's off doing one thing, and then
[7:13] Speaker 2: you've got Chris Bowen here who seems to be freelancing,
[7:16] Speaker 2: going off on his own and doing another Stage three
[7:20] Speaker 2: of Anthony Arbernese's begging for fossil fuel tour of Asia
[7:23] Speaker 2: took him to Malaysia. Today, every day is a new
[7:26] Speaker 2: day where he shot up diesel supplies for Australia.
[7:31] Speaker 4: I can announce that my government has secured an additional
[7:36] Speaker 4: one hundred million leaders of diesel from two shipments, one
[7:41] Speaker 4: from Brunei where I was yesterday, and one from South Korea.
[7:47] Speaker 4: This is the first of many expected shipments secured.
[7:52] Speaker 2: And I've already made the point this week that the
[7:54] Speaker 2: irony of Albow begging for fossil fuels the very thing
[7:58] Speaker 2: he's actually trying to rid this country off, extraordinary, isn't it.
[8:02] Speaker 2: So while he was overseas touting this big success and
[8:05] Speaker 2: securing supplies of this big bad resource, his Energy minister
[8:10] Speaker 2: is at home demonizing the big bad resource.
[8:16] Speaker 7: Some who say the answer to this is to somehow
[8:19] Speaker 7: become more alike on fossil fuels. That's not a view
[8:21] Speaker 7: I share. It's not a view that any ministry or
[8:23] Speaker 7: counterpart around the world I've spoken to shares, and we
[8:26] Speaker 7: are dealing with a short term issue.
[8:28] Speaker 8: Yes, of supply.
[8:29] Speaker 7: There's been a fossil fuel supply chick.
[8:32] Speaker 3: You know fossil This is a fossil fuel.
[8:33] Speaker 7: Supply crisis internationally. The answer to that is sensible measures
[8:38] Speaker 7: like the ones that we're undertaking the Prime Minister is
[8:40] Speaker 7: undertaking in the longer term. If it can reduce to
[8:43] Speaker 7: some degree or a greater degree, our dependence on those
[8:46] Speaker 7: fossil fuels, that's a good thing.
[8:50] Speaker 2: Earth Tocrise, Earth tocris. Does he know his boss is
[8:55] Speaker 2: touring Asia on a supply mission for fossil fuels? Albo
[9:00] Speaker 2: is out begging for it in Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia,
[9:06] Speaker 2: and Bowen is saying no, no, no, no, nothing to
[9:09] Speaker 2: see fossil fuels bad, nobody wants it. No, no, short
[9:13] Speaker 2: term it's all good. Move on, tra La Lah. Can
[9:19] Speaker 2: you see what I mean here by this chronic messaging
[9:21] Speaker 2: problem that Labour's got and the opposition is equally as confused.
[9:26] Speaker 9: I mean, what does he think if Prime Minister is
[9:29] Speaker 9: currently doing, what does he think out for me?
[9:32] Speaker 2: He's currently doing exactly And we are in the middle
[9:36] Speaker 2: of a fuel crisis, to the point where we now
[9:39] Speaker 2: have experts warning that the real crunch point is yet
[9:42] Speaker 2: to come. Soulkavonic, head of Energy research at MST Financials,
[9:47] Speaker 2: says the truth is right now Australia is still living
[9:50] Speaker 2: off the fuel that left from the Middle East before
[9:52] Speaker 2: the war began, because it takes around six weeks for
[9:56] Speaker 2: an oil cargo from Saudi Arabia, for example, to go
[10:00] Speaker 2: through these transformers into a refinery to Asia refined to
[10:04] Speaker 2: a product that shipped out to Australia and up to
[10:07] Speaker 2: now serving that fuel is about to run out really
[10:11] Speaker 2: over the next week or so. He goes on to say,
[10:14] Speaker 2: the real crunch point in terms of the fuel shortage
[10:17] Speaker 2: is only about to hit us and things could get
[10:20] Speaker 2: much worse before they get back up. Now, we are
[10:24] Speaker 2: delusional if we think we can just sit back and
[10:29] Speaker 2: rely on diesel shipments from overseas to keep the economy
[10:32] Speaker 2: and the country running. We are sitting on an abundance
[10:36] Speaker 2: of natural resources gas, coal, uranium, oil, you name it,
[10:40] Speaker 2: and many of which we largely export overseas. We can't drill,
[10:44] Speaker 2: baby drill, and just to that point, that's been a
[10:47] Speaker 2: total failure of successive governments which have bent over to
[10:51] Speaker 2: environmental warlords and aboriginal cultural heritage claims. Here we are
[10:56] Speaker 2: in a crisis scrambling for supplies. Labor can't even get
[11:00] Speaker 2: its message right and wake up to the fact that
[11:03] Speaker 2: its green dream is killing us. It is a laughing stock.
[11:07] Speaker 2: And the warnings were there, by the way, prior to
[11:09] Speaker 2: the war, even starting in Iran, the nation's crude oil
[11:13] Speaker 2: production was at its lowest on record the month Donald
[11:16] Speaker 2: Trump launched the war with Iran. According to the Australian,
[11:20] Speaker 2: Australian crude oil production was at one than seven hundred
[11:24] Speaker 2: and ninety two megeters back in July twenty ten, but
[11:28] Speaker 2: that had dropped by more than ninety percent by February
[11:32] Speaker 2: this year. Ninety percent. That is the lowest on record.
[11:37] Speaker 2: And that data, by the way, was quietly released by
[11:39] Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's very own department yesterday, and it just shows
[11:43] Speaker 2: how blatantly reliant we've become on importing oil since twenty ten.
[11:47] Speaker 2: Sixteen years ago, thirty point one percent of the oil
[11:50] Speaker 2: used to create fuel in domestic refineries had been Australian,
[11:54] Speaker 2: but that had dropped to eight point eight percent by
[11:57] Speaker 2: feb this year. Australia I ported over fourteen hundred mega
[12:01] Speaker 2: liters of refined petroleum products in July twenty ten. By
[12:05] Speaker 2: February twenty twenty six that it almost tripled to over
[12:10] Speaker 2: four thousand. Now, I've got to say that is a
[12:13] Speaker 2: blight on governments of both persuasions over sixteen years. And
[12:17] Speaker 2: so now fast forward to twenty twenty six. How on
[12:19] Speaker 2: Earth can bow and keep up this facade that fossil
[12:22] Speaker 2: fuels are the enemy and how much longer can labor
[12:25] Speaker 2: keep going on these begging tours every time we enter
[12:27] Speaker 2: a crisis. And here was the Minister today brimming with
[12:31] Speaker 2: delusion to push again for electric vehicles in the middle
[12:35] Speaker 2: of a fuel crisis.
[12:37] Speaker 7: Our EV take up in Australia, our number of VS
[12:40] Speaker 7: in the fleet is relatively low at the moment, high
[12:42] Speaker 7: in sales turns, but low as a percentage of the
[12:44] Speaker 7: fleet because it takes a long time. Even with the low,
[12:47] Speaker 7: relatively fossil fuel EV tack up we have. That's avoiding
[12:52] Speaker 7: the use of fifteen million lidters a week of fuel.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Seriously, this guy driving us into the ground. Now, luckily
[13:01] Speaker 2: nobody was injured when the Viva Oil refinery in Geelong
[13:04] Speaker 2: went up in flames overnight. The refinery produces fifty percent
[13:07] Speaker 2: of Victoria's fuel and ten percent of the nations. It
[13:10] Speaker 2: is still partially operational, but Labor has warned of impacts
[13:14] Speaker 2: to petrol production at a time of course, when fuel
[13:17] Speaker 2: is running short now. One expert, RISTAD energy analyst Gero Ferugio,
[13:23] Speaker 2: said the fire at the oil refinery would likely push
[13:26] Speaker 2: Australia into Stage three of the government's National Fuel Security Plan,
[13:31] Speaker 2: which could mean fuel restrictions and even working from home directives.
[13:36] Speaker 2: I mean, god, are we seriously going to be plunged
[13:40] Speaker 2: back into the COVID days? And does this do anything
[13:43] Speaker 2: to calm your nerves?
[13:45] Speaker 7: This is not a positive development, This is not good
[13:47] Speaker 7: timing and this is a setback.
[13:51] Speaker 2: So to summarize, we have a prime minister begging for help.
[13:56] Speaker 2: We only have two oil refineries in Australia which is
[14:00] Speaker 2: now partially operating. Crude oil production is at record lows
[14:05] Speaker 2: and the minister's out pushing evs terrific. Isn't it? No wonder?
[14:10] Speaker 2: We're going broke and backwards under this net zero magic
[14:13] Speaker 2: carpet ride. Now, we have been talking a lot about
[14:20] Speaker 2: the fuel crisis, but the cost of living crisis remains
[14:24] Speaker 2: the number one issue. We are yeah, running blind, We
[14:36] Speaker 2: are right now in this country. More than one in
[14:39] Speaker 2: five Aussi's have applied to increase their credit card limit
[14:43] Speaker 2: over the past year. That's according to new data from
[14:46] Speaker 2: money dot com dot Au, which showed twenty three percent
[14:50] Speaker 2: of assis we're on average requesting a three thousand dollars
[14:53] Speaker 2: credit card limit increase. Now, this is about a thirty
[14:57] Speaker 2: percent boost to the typical credit card limit in Australia.
[15:00] Speaker 2: And I've got to say this is a worrying development
[15:02] Speaker 2: given one in four Ossies already cannot pay off their
[15:06] Speaker 2: credit card debts, and of course you have to pay.
[15:09] Speaker 2: You have fourteen days to pay if you miss those repayments,
[15:12] Speaker 2: otherwise it is noted by the credit agencies, and then
[15:15] Speaker 2: when you go and apply for something again, you're flagged
[15:18] Speaker 2: and could pay a high interest rate. Now, according to
[15:21] Speaker 2: this latest report, younger Aussies are more likely to push
[15:25] Speaker 2: for a bump in their credit cards, with fifty six
[15:27] Speaker 2: percent of gen Z and forty percent of millennials reporting
[15:32] Speaker 2: they asked for an increase, and credit card debt accruing
[15:36] Speaker 2: interest has climbed to eighteen point four billion dollars billion dollars.
[15:44] Speaker 2: That is how tired it is out there, and it
[15:47] Speaker 2: does leave young people in particular, open and vulnerable to
[15:50] Speaker 2: a never ending debt spiral, just so that they can
[15:53] Speaker 2: make it through the next few months of increasing costs.
[15:56] Speaker 2: And a lot of it, of course, is due to
[15:58] Speaker 2: the fuel crisis. But this, this is a frightening reality
[16:01] Speaker 2: and a concern about national reliance on increasing limits. And
[16:06] Speaker 2: at the same time, we're spending a mint on the
[16:08] Speaker 2: very basics. Household spending swored in March up two point
[16:13] Speaker 2: nine percent, in large part due to rising fuel costs.
[16:17] Speaker 2: So let's have a look at what people are spending
[16:18] Speaker 2: the most money on. No surprise is there Transportation up
[16:22] Speaker 2: twenty two point nine percent. Fuel is expensive, But this
[16:29] Speaker 2: one's interesting. Utilities up six point nine percent. Well, you
[16:33] Speaker 2: know why electricity rebates rolled off. We knew this was
[16:36] Speaker 2: going to happen, didn't we We knew that it was
[16:38] Speaker 2: a band aid solution. Labor handed it out willy nearly.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Here's your rebate. Look cheaper this month, cheaper this quarter.
[16:45] Speaker 2: But as soon as they peed it out, boom up
[16:47] Speaker 2: it goes up, goes interest rates. At the same time,
[16:51] Speaker 2: insurance spending two point five percent, And I'm sure you
[16:53] Speaker 2: would have seen your health insurance rise and hospitality one
[16:56] Speaker 2: point two percent. But hang on a minute. Wasn't life
[17:00] Speaker 2: meant to be easy? Under Albin easy.
[17:04] Speaker 4: A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off
[17:07] Speaker 4: cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the
[17:10] Speaker 4: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief
[17:13] Speaker 4: downward pressure on cost of living.
[17:17] Speaker 2: And those figures, by the way, were before labor was
[17:20] Speaker 2: dragged kicking and screaming into cutting the fuel excise. And
[17:23] Speaker 2: you couple that with Jim Chalmer's reckless government spending an
[17:27] Speaker 2: upcoming budget that will show a trillion dollars in debt,
[17:29] Speaker 2: rising inflation, and further rate hikes on the agenda. Life
[17:34] Speaker 2: is not getting any easier, is it?
[17:37] Speaker 10: Well?
[17:37] Speaker 2: Join to be now for more on this of the
[17:39] Speaker 2: day's news is MP MP Garth, Hamilton, Gartha. Great to
[17:43] Speaker 2: see you as always, Thank you for joining me running
[17:45] Speaker 2: on empty. I think that pretty much sums up the
[17:48] Speaker 2: state of affairs right now in this country. But look,
[17:51] Speaker 2: let's talk about the fuel crisis. So one of our
[17:54] Speaker 2: two oil refineries is damaged. Now you've got elbow overseas
[17:58] Speaker 2: begging for fossil fuels at home demonizing fossil fuels. How
[18:02] Speaker 2: much more evidence do we need that we have to
[18:05] Speaker 2: start using our own natural resources to better ourselves.
[18:09] Speaker 3: Look, I'm all in with Matt Canavan's hyper Australia model.
[18:12] Speaker 3: Right now. We should be drilling, digging, building, growing absolutely
[18:16] Speaker 3: everything we need to be sel sufficient. How embarrassing to
[18:20] Speaker 3: watch our Prime Minister have to go and beg for
[18:22] Speaker 3: fossil fuels overseas. We should be the ones that people
[18:26] Speaker 3: come to. We are the great resource nation. We should
[18:29] Speaker 3: be the country that people come to in times of
[18:32] Speaker 3: need and ask for our help. Instead, it's completely the
[18:36] Speaker 3: other way around. It's totally embarrassing and we don't need
[18:39] Speaker 3: to be here. The truth is that we lost to
[18:42] Speaker 3: the green lobby, the anti fossil fuel lobby. We've lost
[18:46] Speaker 3: over a long period of time. That lobby took control
[18:48] Speaker 3: of business, politics, right throughout the media, right through education,
[18:53] Speaker 3: and we have to fight back.
[18:55] Speaker 2: Oh look absolutely, I mean I don't think we can
[18:57] Speaker 2: just wait for another crisis. We just can't go on
[19:00] Speaker 2: begging world tours. It's just ridiculous. I'm sure you heard there.
[19:04] Speaker 2: What do you make of those figures that our crude
[19:06] Speaker 2: oil supply was already at record lows before the war
[19:09] Speaker 2: began and had been going down for sixteen years. So
[19:12] Speaker 2: that's not just a labor problem. That is successive government.
[19:16] Speaker 2: So what does it say about our overarching reliance on imports.
[19:21] Speaker 3: OK, it's a shocking state of affairs and it should
[19:24] Speaker 3: be a good slap in the face for all Australians
[19:28] Speaker 3: who seek leadership positions. We've let this happen, and we've
[19:31] Speaker 3: let it happen over a long period of time. I'm
[19:34] Speaker 3: a mining engineer. I want to see us get more
[19:36] Speaker 3: things out of the ground. That's what I was trained
[19:37] Speaker 3: to do. I've got a career behind the innit. I
[19:39] Speaker 3: think it's what we should be doing. We have an
[19:41] Speaker 3: opportunity on almost every side of Australia and within the
[19:46] Speaker 3: continent to drill and to get some of that liquid
[19:49] Speaker 3: fuel ourselves. We can do that. There's nothing stopping us.
[19:54] Speaker 3: It's just the will of the federation, the federal government
[19:57] Speaker 3: plus the states. We have to realize this is our
[20:00] Speaker 3: I'm so grateful we've got a guy on Queens and
[20:03] Speaker 3: David Crisp fully a state premier who's willing to lead
[20:06] Speaker 3: that charge. I think that's fantastic. If we had more
[20:08] Speaker 3: chrystip fullies about the country, I think we'd be heading
[20:11] Speaker 3: in the right direction.
[20:12] Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's so good to see him come out and
[20:15] Speaker 2: actually just say it like it is, because we've got
[20:17] Speaker 2: labor governments across the rest of the country that are
[20:20] Speaker 2: killing us with this green dream as they are federally.
[20:24] Speaker 2: Let's talk about migration. A big week of course, given
[20:27] Speaker 2: the opposition finally put out their migration plan, but the
[20:30] Speaker 2: former Labor Prime Minister Paul Keating has gone on a
[20:33] Speaker 2: very bizarre rant, labeling the new policy as cowardly and racist.
[20:37] Speaker 2: He said the Liberal Party battling an extreme version of itself.
[20:41] Speaker 2: One nation has again fallen back to its default political policy, racism.
[20:46] Speaker 2: And to hammer the point, sitting beside Taylor at his
[20:49] Speaker 2: policy launch was mister radical opportunism himself, John Winston Howard,
[20:54] Speaker 2: late of an anti Asian migration in nineteen eighty eight,
[20:58] Speaker 2: the picket fence urban racism. Good grief. What's your response
[21:03] Speaker 2: to that, Garth?
[21:05] Speaker 11: Oh?
[21:05] Speaker 3: Look, I think you should respect your elders. I think
[21:08] Speaker 3: mister Keating probably needs a vex and a good lie down.
[21:11] Speaker 3: He's been up a bit late on the computer and
[21:14] Speaker 3: he's got himself angry. Sit down, Grandpa. Honestly, he's living
[21:18] Speaker 3: in his memoirs and it's time that we move on.
[21:21] Speaker 3: I'll make some points here. Back when mister Keating was
[21:24] Speaker 3: in charge of this country, that overseas migration was about
[21:27] Speaker 3: zero five percent of the population, so about sixty thousand
[21:31] Speaker 3: people a year. The numbers that you were showing earlier
[21:34] Speaker 3: on went out two percent two percent of population. That's
[21:39] Speaker 3: our net overseas migration coming into Australia. So it's increased
[21:43] Speaker 3: four times, dramatic increase, completely different situation than the one
[21:47] Speaker 3: that he oversaw. Things are completely out of control. And look,
[21:52] Speaker 3: I will thank mister Keating because anyone out there who
[21:55] Speaker 3: was worried that their concerns about immigration, their concerns about
[22:00] Speaker 3: you know, matching up the housing, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, if
[22:04] Speaker 3: you were worried that our rated immigration was too high,
[22:07] Speaker 3: mister Keating has assured you you're a racist. That's what
[22:10] Speaker 3: he wants to think of you. That's what Laboured think
[22:12] Speaker 3: of you. It's great to know, isn't it.
[22:14] Speaker 2: Yeah? And the Greens too them and the Greens came
[22:16] Speaker 2: out earlier this week saying that the opposition were extremists.
[22:20] Speaker 2: You know, are we going to label anyone now Garth
[22:23] Speaker 2: a racist or even an extremist who wants to be
[22:26] Speaker 2: tough on migration policy. Is this where we're at?
[22:29] Speaker 3: You know, I actually don't think this cancel culture works anymore.
[22:32] Speaker 3: I really don't. I think young people in particular just
[22:35] Speaker 3: don't care anymore. They've seen all of this stuff thrown
[22:39] Speaker 3: at people. People have been called a racist because they
[22:41] Speaker 3: raised very reasonable questions about social cohesion, about which way
[22:46] Speaker 3: our country's going, about the value of unity over diversity,
[22:50] Speaker 3: very reasonable questions for people to have. They've seen these
[22:53] Speaker 3: pylons and they don't care anymore. It's like water off
[22:55] Speaker 3: a duck's back. So the Greens are living in the
[22:57] Speaker 3: past if they think that they can call us races
[23:01] Speaker 3: for having a reasonable conversation. And good on Angus Taylor.
[23:04] Speaker 3: That is a fantastic start on the immigration policy debate.
[23:09] Speaker 3: That he said. I think that's a great way to
[23:11] Speaker 3: show people we're reasonable, we're sensible, We've got answers that
[23:14] Speaker 3: can be backed up with facts and numbers, and he
[23:17] Speaker 3: said this is the first stage, so there's more to come.
[23:20] Speaker 3: That's a very good start.
[23:21] Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's hard to argue with the values based system.
[23:23] Speaker 2: We want people who are going to come to this
[23:25] Speaker 2: country respect us respect our values and assimilate. Now, look,
[23:29] Speaker 2: it's been an interesting week for One Nation leader Pauline
[23:31] Speaker 2: Hansen over her decision to hire a convicted rapist, whom
[23:35] Speaker 2: she says that she has now sat. Here is how
[23:37] Speaker 2: the week unfolded.
[23:39] Speaker 1: I actually shot this man in question today in front
[23:43] Speaker 1: of his wife with his two children in the next room.
[23:47] Speaker 1: So he's gone finish. So it was an agreement between
[23:50] Speaker 1: both of us, Chris and I feel sorry for the
[23:52] Speaker 1: poor man and his wife and his kids.
[23:55] Speaker 2: And the other thing is GARTHI, which she hasn't been
[23:57] Speaker 2: shy of accusing the Liberal Party of gutter politics, and
[23:59] Speaker 2: she's pointed the finger at you.
[24:00] Speaker 1: You have a little it's gutter politics, James, and it
[24:05] Speaker 1: sickens me to what has happened. You know why, because
[24:07] Speaker 1: they're in fear. They're in fear of the rise of
[24:09] Speaker 1: One Nation. So let's get in the gutter. I don't
[24:12] Speaker 1: play those games. But I'll tell you what, Garth. You know,
[24:15] Speaker 1: you'll set a room. I'm going to find a great
[24:17] Speaker 1: candidate to stand against.
[24:18] Speaker 2: You, Garth. What do you say in response?
[24:22] Speaker 3: Well, firstly, the previous One Nation candidate, Rebecca cons was
[24:25] Speaker 3: a great candidate. She's a great person, a great member
[24:28] Speaker 3: of our community. And Beck, if you're watching, don't take
[24:31] Speaker 3: offense to that. I thought you did a fantastic job.
[24:34] Speaker 3: But look, I made the response very openly. This is
[24:37] Speaker 3: an important matter. One Nation is no longer a minor party.
[24:41] Speaker 3: They could be a party of oppositional government and that
[24:45] Speaker 3: opens you up to serious scrutiny. Unfortunately, what we're seeing
[24:48] Speaker 3: here is a very strong woman in Pauline being let
[24:51] Speaker 3: down by some very weak men. And there's nothing weaker
[24:54] Speaker 3: than someone who commits a rape. So she's been let
[24:58] Speaker 3: down by these people. And it's one when they're letting
[25:01] Speaker 3: Pauline down, but if they were in government, they'd be
[25:03] Speaker 3: letting Australia down. And that's something that we must make
[25:07] Speaker 3: sure that we put the same levels of scrutiny that
[25:09] Speaker 3: couldness me. The Liberal Party went through not that long
[25:11] Speaker 3: ago in terms of our leadership conversations, and One Nation
[25:15] Speaker 3: was very keen to make comment on our progress through
[25:19] Speaker 3: those times. Unfortunately, there's too much for them. They have
[25:22] Speaker 3: the same level of scrutiny pointed back at them.
[25:24] Speaker 2: But is this gutter politics? Do you think to Pauline's point,
[25:28] Speaker 2: are you just doing this because she is ahead in
[25:30] Speaker 2: the pulse.
[25:32] Speaker 3: Goodness me, No, goodness me. The concerns are very reasonable.
[25:37] Speaker 3: Having a convicted rapist in your workplace, I thought was
[25:39] Speaker 3: something that people should know, and that was a question
[25:42] Speaker 3: that I asked, and that's what unfortunately started this. I
[25:45] Speaker 3: think the point really is, but nothing that has been
[25:49] Speaker 3: raised on my side is anything other than facts or
[25:52] Speaker 3: has been proven in a court of law. You know,
[25:56] Speaker 3: this is important stuff that needs to be discussed and
[25:59] Speaker 3: these answers that one nation need to provide.
[26:03] Speaker 2: And just before we let you go the other day,
[26:05] Speaker 2: she said that she sacked him. Last night on Chris
[26:08] Speaker 2: Kenny's show, she said that there was some sort of
[26:10] Speaker 2: an agreement. What's your take on what's happened here?
[26:17] Speaker 3: Look, I think when these situations happen, you have to
[26:20] Speaker 3: be very upfront and tell people exactly what is going on.
[26:24] Speaker 3: It looks like that hasn't happened. I think there needs
[26:26] Speaker 3: to be, unfortunately, further explanation. We'd hate to see a
[26:29] Speaker 3: situation where, for example, this gentleman's employment continues on in
[26:34] Speaker 3: a way that's hidden or secret. We need to get
[26:37] Speaker 3: all this out in the open. I think it's an
[26:38] Speaker 3: important issue to deal with I think Australians want to
[26:40] Speaker 3: know clearly. The amount of coverage that this issue has
[26:42] Speaker 3: bought shows that Australians do care. There is a rising
[26:46] Speaker 3: interest in that party and I think people want to
[26:49] Speaker 3: see this past through the appropriate as of scrutiny.
[26:52] Speaker 2: It's a bit a fascinating week. Garth Hamilton, I've got
[26:54] Speaker 2: to leave it there. Great to see you as always,
[26:55] Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining me.
[26:57] Speaker 10: Well.
[26:57] Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Defense Minister Richard Miles on
[27:00] Speaker 2: vals Australia's new defense strategy, but does it stack up
[27:03] Speaker 2: and can we really defend ourselves? I'll get stuck into
[27:05] Speaker 2: that and more with my panel next.
[27:11] Speaker 12: Goodday guys. Paul here. Sorry I'm not hosting tonight. I'm
[27:14] Speaker 12: off out of town filming something pretty special, but we'll
[27:16] Speaker 12: get to that in a couple of weeks time. In
[27:19] Speaker 12: the meantime, if you can join us for Our Town,
[27:21] Speaker 12: I'd love to see you in Colak in Victoria. It'll
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[27:34] Speaker 12: Enjoy the show, well.
[27:39] Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Joining me now is National
[27:41] Speaker 2: Senator Ross Caddell and Sky News contribute out Joe Hildebrand.
[27:45] Speaker 2: Hi to both of you. Happy Thursday, to see you. Look,
[27:48] Speaker 2: let's talk defense policy first. Our cash strapped government has
[27:52] Speaker 2: backed itself into a corner. After burning through billions in
[27:55] Speaker 2: taxpayer money. Labor is now turning to the private sector
[27:58] Speaker 2: to help bankroll a major boots in defense spending. Labour
[28:01] Speaker 2: says defense in spent investment rather will rise to three
[28:05] Speaker 2: percent of GDP, but more than fifty billion dollars of
[28:08] Speaker 2: that will come from private funding.
[28:10] Speaker 13: Have a look based on current GDP projections, we now
[28:15] Speaker 13: have spending committed in the budget that will take us
[28:18] Speaker 13: to a defense spend of three percent of GDP by
[28:22] Speaker 13: twenty thirty three.
[28:25] Speaker 2: And it's much more than.
[28:26] Speaker 13: This when you include other supporting investments in critical infrastructure,
[28:31] Speaker 13: the defense of networks, civil preparedness and resilience, innovation, and
[28:35] Speaker 13: the full strengthening of our defense industrial base.
[28:39] Speaker 2: Ross, how confident are you that this extra cash will
[28:43] Speaker 2: help shore us up to defend ourselves if we were
[28:45] Speaker 2: indeed attacked.
[28:49] Speaker 8: Not at all?
[28:50] Speaker 10: This is an accounting blitch. We're not just going to
[28:52] Speaker 10: count our own money anymore. We're going to count some
[28:54] Speaker 10: money over here. Anything to do with defense and pensions, this, that,
[28:57] Speaker 10: the other. Maybe if I rent Banded Brothers for me
[28:59] Speaker 10: and my son to watch that, Netflix can contribute to
[29:01] Speaker 10: the first budget to it.
[29:04] Speaker 2: It's a joke.
[29:05] Speaker 10: It's it's what we do all the time. I think
[29:08] Speaker 10: Joe was on a few weeks ago when we're talking
[29:10] Speaker 10: about the waiting list at airports was seventy two seconds.
[29:13] Speaker 10: If you ignore the weighting line, and anyone over three minutes,
[29:16] Speaker 10: you just change the numbers anytime you want doing. That's
[29:18] Speaker 10: what we're doing here. It won't go to all the
[29:21] Speaker 10: things we need it to. It is not three percent
[29:23] Speaker 10: of budgeting capital expense, and they'll just claim anything we want.
[29:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[29:26] Speaker 2: I even even experts have come out today, Joe that
[29:29] Speaker 2: they're laughing. They're laughing at this defense spend because they're
[29:33] Speaker 2: saying it's not going to shore us up and it's
[29:35] Speaker 2: not actually what we need in the event that we
[29:37] Speaker 2: would be attacked.
[29:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[29:38] Speaker 14: Well, look, I think obviously if you're a defense analyst,
[29:41] Speaker 14: a defense expert, nothing will ever really be good enough
[29:44] Speaker 14: because you're always going and want to see more, wanting
[29:46] Speaker 14: to be done, And that's good, and I would like
[29:47] Speaker 14: to see a much higher defense budget and defense capability.
[29:51] Speaker 14: But I think, you know, some of the outrage about
[29:54] Speaker 14: this is a little bit confected. I mean, it is
[29:55] Speaker 14: an increase. It is the same budgeting criteria that NATO users.
[30:00] Speaker 14: That's what Ross was talking about, where you include things
[30:02] Speaker 14: like military pensions as part of that overall defense spend,
[30:06] Speaker 14: and then separate to that is using private investment where
[30:10] Speaker 14: presumably the market thinks that there is a return on
[30:12] Speaker 14: that investment and prepared to spend that money.
[30:15] Speaker 8: I don't understand.
[30:15] Speaker 14: As long as it doesn't compromise national security, it seems
[30:18] Speaker 14: to me passing strange. You say, no, no, we don't
[30:20] Speaker 14: want the private sector to invest.
[30:23] Speaker 8: Where it can.
[30:24] Speaker 14: We want the taxpayer to foot the bill for something
[30:26] Speaker 14: where the private sector is actually prepared to come in
[30:29] Speaker 14: and be a partner with the government.
[30:31] Speaker 8: So I don't understand. I don't understand how that's about it.
[30:33] Speaker 2: Well, I guess I think that just the main concern
[30:35] Speaker 2: is that will they won't be a return on investment.
[30:38] Speaker 2: I guess that seems to be the issue here. But
[30:40] Speaker 2: look it remains to be seen. I think that the
[30:42] Speaker 2: defense is needed as some sort of a pickup over
[30:45] Speaker 2: recent years, as there's no doubt about it now. Look,
[30:48] Speaker 2: I spoke earlier about Big Australia getting bigger and this
[30:51] Speaker 2: growing link between migration and the housing crisis, and as
[30:54] Speaker 2: I mentioned, these new figures reveal that the population of
[30:56] Speaker 2: Australia is growing three times faster than new housing is
[30:59] Speaker 2: getting built due to record levels of migration and sluggish
[31:02] Speaker 2: home construction. So, according to the IPA's analysis of ABS figures,
[31:09] Speaker 2: population growth between twenty twenty three to twenty five was
[31:12] Speaker 2: one point five million against a total of five hundred
[31:15] Speaker 2: and twenty seven thousand housing completions ross. Nobody ever voted
[31:19] Speaker 2: for a Big Australia. Yet here we are, Labor has
[31:21] Speaker 2: not achieved not one of its housing goals. Yet the
[31:24] Speaker 2: welcome MAT's firmly opened. Where are we going to house
[31:26] Speaker 2: all these people?
[31:29] Speaker 10: Well, this is exactly right. If Labour's saying a number
[31:33] Speaker 10: at best case, they're guessing at worst case they're lying
[31:35] Speaker 10: from two seventy five dollars in the election, from eighty
[31:38] Speaker 10: two percent renewables to forty three percent, it might just
[31:41] Speaker 10: cuss to their housing numbers. They're all made up numbers
[31:43] Speaker 10: to make people feel good and get them out of
[31:45] Speaker 10: press conferences. I've got some young nats in the office today,
[31:48] Speaker 10: they're sitting here, and these people coming here, they won't
[31:50] Speaker 10: be able to enter the housing market. But it's worse
[31:53] Speaker 10: than that. These people don't come here with enough money
[31:55] Speaker 10: to buy a house. They come here and they enter
[31:57] Speaker 10: the rental market that they're going to hurt with negative
[32:00] Speaker 10: gearing changes too. So we're going to see less supply
[32:02] Speaker 10: of rentals, more people coming in, three times the amount
[32:05] Speaker 10: hitting the rental markets. So when these guys are lined
[32:08] Speaker 10: up between forty two other people at the next rental inspection,
[32:11] Speaker 10: it is because of these things. You've got to build
[32:14] Speaker 10: the infrastructure, you've got to build the hospitals, you've got
[32:16] Speaker 10: to have the pleasing, you've got to have the housing
[32:18] Speaker 10: to bring people in. And this is what's none understood,
[32:20] Speaker 10: all this problem and everyone's going up and we haven't
[32:23] Speaker 10: got this. We haven't got that. It's because we are
[32:25] Speaker 10: importing stuff. To say, out of recession for such a
[32:28] Speaker 10: long time, you know, the per capitaal recession. What's happening
[32:31] Speaker 10: and it keeps going on it's not good enough and
[32:33] Speaker 10: we have to look after those people who are already
[32:35] Speaker 10: here first.
[32:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, we have to look after Australians first.
[32:39] Speaker 2: That is my firm view on this. And you're right
[32:42] Speaker 2: it is a Ponzi scheme economy, Joe, because without migration
[32:45] Speaker 2: we would have been in a recession by now. But
[32:48] Speaker 2: it's not just the rental crisis. We've got to try
[32:49] Speaker 2: and actually get construction up to get ossies into houses.
[32:53] Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right.
[32:54] Speaker 14: And part of the problem is we've got skill shortages
[32:57] Speaker 14: in the construction industry that we need migrants to fill.
[32:59] Speaker 14: So it's a bit of a twenty two I've got
[33:01] Speaker 14: to say, though, Look, we do need to talk about
[33:03] Speaker 14: there's no doubt we have a housing crisis. I mean,
[33:05] Speaker 14: I work with homelessness organizations who have been run off
[33:09] Speaker 14: their feet. There's no doubt about that whatsoever. And there's
[33:12] Speaker 14: also no doubt we need to have serious examination and
[33:14] Speaker 14: migration and make sure we are getting just those skilled
[33:17] Speaker 14: migrants and not people who are just riding on the
[33:19] Speaker 14: coattails on family reunion or whatever it might be, and
[33:21] Speaker 14: that we're really concentrating on this. Having said all that, though,
[33:24] Speaker 14: I think these figures are pretty rubbery, and you don't.
[33:27] Speaker 14: And it's the same with the run and the fuel
[33:29] Speaker 14: crisis and the cost.
[33:30] Speaker 8: Of living rays.
[33:30] Speaker 14: It's bad enough as it is without having to exaggerate it. Now,
[33:34] Speaker 14: this is not the fallow of the article. To the
[33:36] Speaker 14: article's credit, it explains that, in fact, according to the ABS,
[33:39] Speaker 14: these figures are basically unreliable because they include or could
[33:45] Speaker 14: capture people who are coming in multiple times, so the
[33:49] Speaker 14: same person could be But.
[33:50] Speaker 2: The point is that net overseas migration rate has still increased,
[33:52] Speaker 2: and that's the problem. And population increase and labor still
[33:56] Speaker 2: has not achieved any of its housing goals, that still.
[33:59] Speaker 14: Still Popularation increase, according to the ABS, is actually a
[34:02] Speaker 14: couple of hundred thousand lower than what they said. And
[34:05] Speaker 14: then in terms of it keeping up in housing, we're
[34:07] Speaker 14: comparing fifteen one point five million people over three years
[34:11] Speaker 14: coming in compared to half a million new homes. Well,
[34:14] Speaker 14: that's unless that every single one of those is a bedsit.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Well not yeah, but a lot of families obviously.
[34:20] Speaker 8: That's right.
[34:21] Speaker 14: So the idea, so the idea that that number is
[34:23] Speaker 14: outpacing the amount of people who those homes can accommodate.
[34:27] Speaker 2: The stunction. The problem is that construction is at record lows.
[34:29] Speaker 2: We're not we're not building, We're not building enough homes.
[34:32] Speaker 14: We be able to talk about that, but we need
[34:34] Speaker 14: to be able to talk about it without using figures
[34:36] Speaker 14: that are at best robbery.
[34:39] Speaker 2: Well I don't think they're rubber, and they have come
[34:40] Speaker 2: from the ABS. But the point is is that labor
[34:42] Speaker 2: is still not achieving edge of its housing target and construction. Yes,
[34:47] Speaker 2: figure the ABS figures, is there.
[34:49] Speaker 8: What the ABS actually says about its.
[34:50] Speaker 2: Homes And we have known for a long time though, Joe,
[34:53] Speaker 2: to be fair, that migration is at record levels. And
[34:56] Speaker 2: the other thing is we need to actually have a debate.
[34:58] Speaker 8: Us down last year from where it was, but it's it's.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Still above it's still way above the Cobs pandemic. So
[35:04] Speaker 2: you know, we've got to get Ossie's into houses, and
[35:06] Speaker 2: I think we need to put Australia Ossie's first. Now, look,
[35:09] Speaker 2: let's talk about this fire. Of course, at the Viva
[35:11] Speaker 2: Energy refinery in Geelong, one of the two remaining refineries
[35:14] Speaker 2: in OZ. The facility supplies around ten percent of the
[35:17] Speaker 2: nation's fuels and more than half of Victoria's ross. We've
[35:21] Speaker 2: got experts coming out raising the alarm today that this
[35:23] Speaker 2: could mean Australia may be forced to implement Stage three
[35:27] Speaker 2: of the Fuel Plan, that's fuel restrictions, possibly rationing and
[35:30] Speaker 2: work from home directives. Are we getting to that point
[35:34] Speaker 2: do you think?
[35:37] Speaker 10: Look, I think we are as much as we're political here,
[35:40] Speaker 10: we're having a chat. You can't blame the government for
[35:42] Speaker 10: fire and a refinery as that goes on. If we're
[35:45] Speaker 10: taking that many lefts in Australia just begging for a right.
[35:48] Speaker 10: You don't want to not get hit anymore. A different
[35:50] Speaker 10: direction would be a change of pace. But this is
[35:53] Speaker 10: a real problem for us. If this hits here, it
[35:55] Speaker 10: doesn't hit these also much from what they are, but
[35:57] Speaker 10: for the aviation, fuels, defense stops, all these other things. Yes,
[36:01] Speaker 10: if we have to go into rationing, it's part of it.
[36:03] Speaker 10: It might be a convenient excuse about why we have
[36:05] Speaker 10: to go into rationing. I think we might have been
[36:07] Speaker 10: heading there anyway. But it just shows our weakness as
[36:10] Speaker 10: a country, shows our lack of sovereigny. If you'll be
[36:12] Speaker 10: able to make decisions without the pressures of others, it
[36:14] Speaker 10: really exposes our supply Chaine. It is a problem It's
[36:17] Speaker 10: not the fault of the government, but it may make
[36:20] Speaker 10: the things we need to have more resilience. We need
[36:22] Speaker 10: more storage. Victoria half their fuel. They were the ones
[36:26] Speaker 10: that were probably best place to deal with this, given
[36:27] Speaker 10: the refinery. This is really going to hurt them. I
[36:30] Speaker 10: feel for Restrains. I've got to talk about construction issues.
[36:33] Speaker 10: I've got making construction business here. Their costs are up
[36:36] Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week. They can't
[36:38] Speaker 10: go on forever like this. It's just going to make
[36:40] Speaker 10: it harder and longer. And I just think the feeling
[36:43] Speaker 10: of where Australia ends up in this, so many bankruptcies,
[36:46] Speaker 10: insolvency things going forward. We aren't seeing the tip of
[36:49] Speaker 10: the iceberg yet. It's going to be horrible.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, And my worry is that we could be going
[36:53] Speaker 2: back to these COVID restrictions, you know, work from home directives.
[36:57] Speaker 2: But great businesses are still trying to recover from the pandem.
[37:00] Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people haven't gone back to
[37:02] Speaker 2: the offers. I'm worried about what this might mean.
[37:05] Speaker 14: I still feel and I guess because the alternative is unthinkable,
[37:08] Speaker 14: optimistic or hopeful at least that there won't be any
[37:12] Speaker 14: compulsory restrictions. I must admit I saw this alert come
[37:16] Speaker 14: through today and I just thought, oh my god, are
[37:19] Speaker 14: you fin kidding seriously? We've got two refineries and one
[37:23] Speaker 14: of them's on fire. I suppose the good news is
[37:26] Speaker 14: that diesel and aviation fuel has not been affected at
[37:29] Speaker 14: this particular refinery, you know, so it's just normal petrol
[37:34] Speaker 14: from what I've read. The other good news is that
[37:36] Speaker 14: Victoria will be absolutely screwed and that will have flow
[37:40] Speaker 14: on effects for the rest of us. But I think
[37:41] Speaker 14: it's just more example of Victoria being a file, so
[37:45] Speaker 14: that maybe that will actually trigger some awareness there. And
[37:48] Speaker 14: I think that the energy company needs to be I mean,
[37:51] Speaker 14: we need to be encouraging more investment, not scaring people off,
[37:54] Speaker 14: but we need to make sure. Surely, as soon as
[37:56] Speaker 14: that first missile hits Tehran and you're one of only
[38:00] Speaker 14: two oil refineries in Australia and they've just blockaded the
[38:03] Speaker 14: Strait of Hamuz, surely you would do an instant audit
[38:08] Speaker 14: to make sure that all of your operations are absolutely
[38:11] Speaker 14: ship shape. Surely you would be saying, right, is there
[38:14] Speaker 14: any areas where we can increase production? Is everything absolutely safe, reliable.
[38:18] Speaker 14: Do we have redundancies? Now I'm not an Enginet, I
[38:21] Speaker 14: mean parish the thought. But you know, hopefully for everyone's sake,
[38:25] Speaker 14: this was just a rogue accident.
[38:27] Speaker 2: But I mean, we all hope's under investigation.
[38:30] Speaker 14: We know that in other we know that in other
[38:32] Speaker 14: industries there have been problems caused by to energy production,
[38:37] Speaker 14: by under investment, by failure to proper maintenance. And I'm
[38:41] Speaker 14: not suggesting that in this case, and I hope to
[38:43] Speaker 14: god it's not. But we need to make sure we
[38:46] Speaker 14: need more oil refined in this country, not less than
[38:49] Speaker 14: the fact that this is just blown up.
[38:52] Speaker 8: That's the worst possible.
[38:53] Speaker 2: This is literally a warning, another warning, and it's sad
[38:56] Speaker 2: it's come to this, but another another warning that we need.
[38:59] Speaker 2: We need to look into our own matchin. Don't get
[39:03] Speaker 2: me please, do not get me started. I'm in the
[39:06] Speaker 2: middle of a bloody crisis here and old mate Bowen's
[39:09] Speaker 2: waffling on today about EV's. I mean, come on, the
[39:12] Speaker 2: guy's completely tone deaf. Now I know you too, a
[39:15] Speaker 2: fan of the Duke and Duchess of privacy, So I
[39:17] Speaker 2: want to end by talking about this. We've got to
[39:19] Speaker 2: so Prince Harry was inserting himself into Australia's privacy debate today.
[39:24] Speaker 2: He's today praised Australia's world first social media band for
[39:28] Speaker 2: under sixteens, while touching on the global issue of tech
[39:31] Speaker 2: and AI on young people because he's such an expert.
[39:33] Speaker 2: At the same time, Meghan was claiming this every day
[39:38] Speaker 2: for ten years, I have bullied in the taft and
[39:41] Speaker 2: I was the most true person in the entire way.
[39:44] Speaker 2: Meghan claims that she was the most is the most
[39:47] Speaker 2: trolled person in the world, coming from the same woman
[39:49] Speaker 2: who trolld the royal family with her spare handbag. Harry, Ah, well, Ross,
[39:55] Speaker 2: I mean, are you a fan? Have you been following
[39:57] Speaker 2: the journey?
[40:00] Speaker 10: I would get divorced if I went home and said
[40:03] Speaker 10: how much I love Megan Markle if my house, I'm
[40:06] Speaker 10: married to a Welsh woman and she's not a not
[40:09] Speaker 10: a fan any great level there, but it's yeah, when
[40:13] Speaker 10: you're talking about social media ben in context, it was great.
[40:15] Speaker 10: But I've got a thirteen year old who showed me
[40:17] Speaker 10: how to draw a mustache on himself and get past
[40:19] Speaker 10: the phono hack. That was oh wow there, and I
[40:25] Speaker 10: should have said that outlet to get going to box,
[40:27] Speaker 10: but it's it's not working, it's not there. And you know,
[40:33] Speaker 10: the laws have had over the phone hacking. I feel
[40:35] Speaker 10: sorry for the phone hacking. I feel sorry for that
[40:37] Speaker 10: some of those things. But you can't go out what
[40:39] Speaker 10: the publicity, try and profit from the publicity and then say, oh,
[40:43] Speaker 10: it's all got to be private and kept there. If
[40:45] Speaker 10: you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
[40:47] Speaker 10: But Beth and at home are nothing good said about Meghan?
[40:50] Speaker 10: They'll see soon.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, good, well done, well done, you can yeah, well done, well,
[40:54] Speaker 2: very well said. Your wife will be very happy, you know.
[40:57] Speaker 2: I mean that these two, you know, they're out there there,
[41:00] Speaker 2: they want privacy, but they don't. Woe is me sop
[41:03] Speaker 2: story here this, you know. I mean, come on, do
[41:06] Speaker 2: they want privacy or do they not?
[41:07] Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the thing. I think.
[41:08] Speaker 14: It's just a complete lack of self awareness on their part.
[41:11] Speaker 14: I mean, no one should be trolled.
[41:12] Speaker 8: That's awful. I've been trolled. No one wants to go
[41:14] Speaker 8: through that.
[41:15] Speaker 14: But you have to have a level of self awareness
[41:18] Speaker 14: as to why you're provoking such a visceral reaction. That's
[41:21] Speaker 14: not to blame the victim, but you know, I covered
[41:24] Speaker 14: Harry and Meghan when they last came out in twenty eighteen,
[41:29] Speaker 14: or Channel ten when it was a TV station that
[41:32] Speaker 14: people watched, and.
[41:33] Speaker 2: Well she's on Master Chef Now.
[41:35] Speaker 8: I got to get the viewers.
[41:37] Speaker 14: And the reaction there was just electric. They just could
[41:42] Speaker 14: not believe their luck that I'd come to town. They
[41:45] Speaker 14: were also pretty happy I was. Again, all they had
[41:48] Speaker 14: to do was just keep doing that. Instead, they just
[41:50] Speaker 14: decided to thumb their nose at it exactly, say please
[41:53] Speaker 14: love us anyway, here's my overpriced jam and please like
[41:56] Speaker 14: my Instagram.
[41:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't quite work a few times. There's
[42:00] Speaker 2: a couple of problems there isn't there a few issues,
[42:02] Speaker 2: But no, you're right, they've got no self awareness. They'd
[42:04] Speaker 2: it never thought of that. And the suit of this
[42:07] Speaker 2: grifter's tour ends, I think the better Roscade Joe Hildebrand.
[42:10] Speaker 2: We've got to leave it there. Thank you very much
[42:12] Speaker 2: for joining me. Appreciate it. Still to come and we'll
[42:14] Speaker 2: catch up with our good friend Colin Flynn for the
[42:17] Speaker 2: latest on Donald Trump versus the Pope.
[42:24] Speaker 12: Gooday, guys, Paul here, Sorry I'm not hosting tonight. I'm
[42:27] Speaker 12: off out of town filming something pretty special. But we'll
[42:30] Speaker 12: get to that in a couple of weeks time. In
[42:32] Speaker 12: the meantime, if you can join us for our town,
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[42:48] Speaker 12: Enjoy the show.
[42:52] Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, it's something you don't see every week,
[42:55] Speaker 2: the President of the United States having to go having
[42:58] Speaker 2: a go at the Pope. Earlier this week, President Trump
[43:00] Speaker 2: took to social media to call Pope Leo Wake on crime,
[43:04] Speaker 2: wake on foreign policy, and said he wouldn't be a
[43:07] Speaker 2: pope if Trump wasn't in the White House. Our good
[43:10] Speaker 2: friend Colin Flynn is normally covering the pope and joins
[43:13] Speaker 2: us now. Nice to catch up as always, Calm, Well,
[43:15] Speaker 2: a quiet.
[43:16] Speaker 15: Week for you then, h Denika, you know what, this
[43:19] Speaker 15: is a week off for me. I'm at home in
[43:21] Speaker 15: Ireland and there's a reason that I'm sitting in my
[43:23] Speaker 15: dad's bar with a bottle of whiskey because this has
[43:26] Speaker 15: been a rough week. Let me tell you that this
[43:30] Speaker 15: unprecedented spot really all started like more than a week ago,
[43:34] Speaker 15: when the Pope, preaching at the Vatican in Rome said,
[43:38] Speaker 15: those who wage war have blood on their hands. And
[43:40] Speaker 15: in fact, those who wage war and prayer to God,
[43:43] Speaker 15: he ignores their prayers. He rejects them. So President Donald
[43:47] Speaker 15: Trump took exceptions to this, and he went to his
[43:49] Speaker 15: own social media and as you said, he said that
[43:51] Speaker 15: Pope Leo was week on crime, week on foreign policy.
[43:55] Speaker 15: He said remarkably, if it were not for me being
[43:57] Speaker 15: in the White House, he would not be in the Vatican.
[43:59] Speaker 15: And then he got personal about his family. He said,
[44:02] Speaker 15: I prefer his brother Lewis. Lewis is all my guy.
[44:05] Speaker 15: He gets it. The Pope doesn't, and even he referred
[44:08] Speaker 15: to him as Leo instead of Pope Leo. But anyway,
[44:11] Speaker 15: we thought, oh no, well, what's going to How where
[44:14] Speaker 15: will this go? How will the Pope respond? Will he respond?
[44:18] Speaker 15: Because this happened on the eve of a big trip
[44:20] Speaker 15: for Pope Leo. Currently, as we're speaking, Deniki, he is
[44:23] Speaker 15: in Africa, going from Algeria to Cameroon, tu Angola and
[44:26] Speaker 15: then ending up in Equatorial Guinea. So on the plane
[44:30] Speaker 15: as he was flying out from Rome Monday morning, and
[44:32] Speaker 15: the protocol was broken because normally journalists are not allowed
[44:36] Speaker 15: to ask the pope questions on the way out to
[44:38] Speaker 15: these foreign trips. You have to do it during the
[44:40] Speaker 15: press conference on the way back. But they couldn't resist.
[44:43] Speaker 15: They asked the Pope, what do you think of what
[44:45] Speaker 15: President Donald Trump said? And here's how he responded.
[44:50] Speaker 11: I do not look at my role as being political politician.
[44:54] Speaker 11: I don't want to get into it debate with him.
[44:56] Speaker 11: I don't think the message the Gospel is meantal to
[44:59] Speaker 11: be have used in the way that some people are doing.
[45:03] Speaker 11: And I will continue to speak out about this against war,
[45:06] Speaker 11: looking to peace. Too many people are suffering in the
[45:09] Speaker 11: world today, too many units that people are getting killed.
[45:13] Speaker 15: It's got a massive response, as you can imagine, all
[45:16] Speaker 15: over the world, and bishops in the United States, even
[45:18] Speaker 15: the Bishop of pam Beach where he has mar Lago,
[45:21] Speaker 15: he said that the President that was a violent attack
[45:24] Speaker 15: on the Holy Father. Bishop Baron, who I've interviewed a
[45:26] Speaker 15: number of times, who was actually on the President's Commission
[45:30] Speaker 15: for Prayer and prayed with the President in the White
[45:32] Speaker 15: House at Easter he said, look, a line has been
[45:35] Speaker 15: crossed here. The President has done a lot for religious
[45:37] Speaker 15: liberty and for protecting Catholics and the Catholic cause, but
[45:40] Speaker 15: he owes an apology. So that evening at the White House,
[45:44] Speaker 15: journalists as Pope and not Pope a President Trump, will
[45:48] Speaker 15: you apologize to the Pope? And here's what he said.
[45:51] Speaker 16: I think he's very weak on crime and other things.
[45:54] Speaker 16: So I'm not I mean, he went public. I'm just
[45:57] Speaker 16: responding to Pope Leo. And you know his brother is
[46:00] Speaker 16: a big maga person and he's a great guy, Lewis,
[46:03] Speaker 16: And I said, I like Lewis better than an I
[46:05] Speaker 16: could Pope. There's nothing to apologize for. He's wrong.
[46:10] Speaker 15: So, as you can imagine, this was getting bigger and
[46:12] Speaker 15: bigger and growing legs Thanika across the weak and while
[46:16] Speaker 15: the focus should have been on the Pope on this
[46:18] Speaker 15: historic trip across Africa, the journalist kept asking him, but
[46:22] Speaker 15: he wouldn't respond anymore. But actually, in all of his
[46:24] Speaker 15: speeches so far, at the moment he's in Cameroon, next
[46:28] Speaker 15: up will be Angola, he has been talking about prey peace,
[46:32] Speaker 15: multilateral discussions between countries, dialogue and violence, never being the answer.
[46:37] Speaker 15: But here's the complicated thing, because many Catholics are divided
[46:40] Speaker 15: on this, it's not very simple. There is a tradition
[46:43] Speaker 15: in the Catholic faith in Christianity, going back for over
[46:46] Speaker 15: a thousand years, that in certain cases, in certain very
[46:50] Speaker 15: rare conditions, violence is acceptable. War is justifiable, for example,
[46:55] Speaker 15: to protect the innocent, to lift people out of oppression.
[47:00] Speaker 15: But the rule is in Catholic teaching that the evil
[47:03] Speaker 15: that you create can never be greater than the evil
[47:06] Speaker 15: you set out to destroy. But only two days ago,
[47:09] Speaker 15: at a turning point USA event, the Vice President Jad
[47:11] Speaker 15: Evans he has weighed in now too, and here's his
[47:14] Speaker 15: take on it.
[47:16] Speaker 2: When the Pope.
[47:17] Speaker 17: Says that God is never on the side of those
[47:20] Speaker 17: who willed the sword, there is a thousand year, more
[47:23] Speaker 17: than a thousand year tradition of just war theory.
[47:26] Speaker 10: Okay.
[47:27] Speaker 17: Now, we can, of course have disagreements about.
[47:29] Speaker 8: Whether this or that conflict is just.
[47:31] Speaker 2: But I think that it's important.
[47:33] Speaker 17: In the same way that it's important for the Vice
[47:34] Speaker 17: President of the United States to be careful when I
[47:37] Speaker 17: talk about matters of public policy, I think it's very
[47:40] Speaker 17: very important for the Pope to be careful when he
[47:42] Speaker 17: talks about matters of theology.
[47:45] Speaker 2: Gosh, what a wild ride it has been. Calm flum,
[47:47] Speaker 2: I think we've ever seen anything like it. I can't
[47:49] Speaker 2: cape up between the social media posts. Someone says this,
[47:52] Speaker 2: Trump says this extraordinary. We've got to leave it there, Calm.
[47:56] Speaker 2: Nice to say you as always, thank you very much
[47:58] Speaker 2: for your time. This savening well still to come. Geep,
[48:01] Speaker 2: poor old Rosy o'donald, her Trump derangement syndrome has reached
[48:05] Speaker 2: new highs. I'll show you her latest arranged rand next
[48:13] Speaker 2: or Rosi o'donald has devoted the past decade to her
[48:16] Speaker 2: Trump Derangement sister syndrome. And here she was today wearing
[48:19] Speaker 2: a Christmas sweater, having another totally normal one.
[48:23] Speaker 9: We've got to do something in America, right, Just put
[48:29] Speaker 9: out a thing that is Jesus in case of emergency,
[48:32] Speaker 9: break glass and pull the fire alarm in case of emergency.
[48:38] Speaker 9: We should all be pulling the fire alarm, ladies and gentlemen.
[48:42] Speaker 9: It is beyond the beyond at this point.
[48:46] Speaker 2: The fire alarm. Gee, poor old Rosie, thanks for your
[48:49] Speaker 2: company tonight. Up next to late debates

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