# Paul Murray Live | 30 September

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 30 Sep 2026, 51 min.

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The bloke who runs the economy says the botched economy is not his fault, the government lacks economic narrative. Plus, Labor has let Victoria rot, will voters punish them? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari.
[0:07] Speaker 2: The breaking news this evening is that a tragedy has
[0:10] Speaker 2: been averted as a plane that was making its way
[0:15] Speaker 2: towards Israel took a sharp descent. The sharp descent was
[0:20] Speaker 2: about the best part of 17,000 feet. The reason is
[0:25] Speaker 2: because there was an apparent altercation that took place between
[0:29] Speaker 2: the two pilots, both pilot and pilot.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Co-pilot. The allegations at.
[0:34] Speaker 2: This moment are, is that one of them was planning
[0:38] Speaker 2: to down the plane. Now, one apparently stabbed the other.
[0:42] Speaker 2: At this moment, it is not clear whether it is
[0:44] Speaker 2: pilot or co-pilot here. Now, this story has come to
[0:48] Speaker 2: light in the past couple of hours, but let me
[0:50] Speaker 2: try and set the table for you time-wise. It's just
[0:53] Speaker 2: gone nine o'clock on the east coast of Australia. It
[0:55] Speaker 2: is 2 p.m. right now in Saudi Arabia. This incident
[0:58] Speaker 2: took place at about 3.21 this afternoon, but because of
[1:03] Speaker 2: the security nature of this, we're only starting to get
[1:06] Speaker 2: more details about it now. It happened at 8.21 in
[1:10] Speaker 2: the morning on this Fly Dubai flight, which was flying
[1:14] Speaker 2: from Dubai to Tel Aviv. Now, passengers have reportedly subdued
[1:20] Speaker 2: one of the pilots mid-flight after the violent altercation. There
[1:25] Speaker 2: are photos online showing of a passenger with a bloodied shirt.
[1:29] Speaker 2: There are also unverified videos from inside the plane. According
[1:34] Speaker 2: to international news sources, including the BBC, the suggestion here
[1:41] Speaker 2: is that, quote, one pilot stabbed another. Unnamed officials tell
[1:45] Speaker 2: Israeli media that one pilot attacked another with a knife,
[1:48] Speaker 2: seemingly to either hijack the plane or crash it. Now,
[1:52] Speaker 2: We do not know the motive at this point in time.
[1:55] Speaker 2: What we do know is that all of the passengers
[1:57] Speaker 2: are now safe. They are currently in an airport right now.
[2:04] Speaker 2: They're currently in Saudi Arabia. The Jerusalem Post is writing
[2:08] Speaker 2: this evening that the suspected terror hijack is believed to
[2:11] Speaker 2: be an Omani national, according to initial investigations and sources
[2:15] Speaker 2: to that news agency. The passenger, who they have been
[2:19] Speaker 2: able to contact, said that Israelis seated near the front
[2:22] Speaker 2: of of the plane, rushed the cockpit and fought the attacker.
[2:26] Speaker 2: Two other pilots seated in the back initially appeared to
[2:30] Speaker 2: be in shock. The passenger then claims to have shouted
[2:33] Speaker 2: at them to run and take control of the plane.
[2:36] Speaker 2: According to the passenger, the group managed to remove the
[2:39] Speaker 2: attacker from the cockpit and get the two other pilots inside.
[2:44] Speaker 2: One took control of the aircraft while the other took
[2:47] Speaker 2: longer to recover from the shock. Now, pardon me, Again,
[2:53] Speaker 2: the international reporting here is that I don't know if
[2:54] Speaker 2: we're talking about the main pilot. I don't know if
[2:56] Speaker 2: we're talking about the co-pilot here. What we are talking
[3:00] Speaker 2: about is that the passengers are now safe. Indeed, the
[3:04] Speaker 2: subdued potential terrorist here, who obviously was at the front
[3:09] Speaker 2: of the plane as a pilot or co-pilot, has been subdued.
[3:13] Speaker 2: I don't know what that means in terms of whether
[3:16] Speaker 2: they have been injured in a takedown or something even
[3:21] Speaker 2: more serious has taken place, very similar to what happened,
[3:24] Speaker 2: of course, on September 11 when the passengers tried to
[3:28] Speaker 2: take control of Flight 93. Remember when the passengers were
[3:31] Speaker 2: able to save that plane from going into any further damage, but,
[3:36] Speaker 2: of course, everyone lost their lives on that day. Now,
[3:38] Speaker 2: I want to show you some live pictures right now,
[3:41] Speaker 2: and that is the picture right now of the flight 93.
[3:43] Speaker 1: Radar.
[3:44] Speaker 2: This, of course, is international. What you can see there
[3:46] Speaker 2: is the intended destination of this plane, which was at
[3:50] Speaker 2: the main airport in Tel Aviv. Now, again, according to
[3:54] Speaker 2: the international sources, and given that there is a little
[3:56] Speaker 2: bit of a time lag here between the incident and
[3:59] Speaker 2: what is taking place right now, is that the passengers have,
[4:03] Speaker 2: of course, not made it to Israel, but are safe
[4:07] Speaker 2: right now in Saudi Arabia. There are some People who
[4:11] Speaker 2: are speaking to the media there who were amongst the
[4:15] Speaker 2: family members waiting for people to return. But again, what
[4:19] Speaker 2: could have been a mass casualty event, a potential or
[4:24] Speaker 2: most likely hijacking incident has taken place on a flight
[4:28] Speaker 2: from Dubai to Tel Aviv. All of this happening just
[4:31] Speaker 2: a few hours ago in the early hours of the
[4:35] Speaker 2: morning in.
[4:35] Speaker 1: The United States.
[4:37] Speaker 2: Around 8pm in Saudi Arabia, 3pm here in Australia. As
[4:43] Speaker 2: soon as we have more information, including, of course, any
[4:46] Speaker 2: further reaction or information from security officials, we believe that
[4:50] Speaker 2: Israeli security officials will be making a statement very shortly.
[4:53] Speaker 2: When they do, you will, of course, see it here
[4:56] Speaker 2: on News24. Our website, news24. com. au, also has instant and live
[5:01] Speaker 2: coverage as we speak. Now, of course, turning to the
[5:05] Speaker 2: issues back here at home, and they are matters to
[5:08] Speaker 2: do with inflation, interest rates and the pressure that remains
[5:12] Speaker 2: on many Australians. It doesn't matter what you do for
[5:15] Speaker 2: a job. It doesn't matter if you used to have
[5:18] Speaker 2: a job. It doesn't matter if you are young enough
[5:20] Speaker 2: and looking forward to a job. Anyone who is trying
[5:24] Speaker 2: to make ends meet is really suffering right now. Why?
[5:27] Speaker 2: Because of the twin hit that is The 16th interest
[5:31] Speaker 2: rate rise under the Albanese government that came, of course, yesterday,
[5:34] Speaker 2: and we learn today of yet another increase when it
[5:38] Speaker 2: comes to inflation. Reporters have been dispatched to see what
[5:44] Speaker 2: the public mood has been all over the country because
[5:47] Speaker 2: it would be just as frustrating in the Treasurer's Home
[5:50] Speaker 2: electorate of Logan on the outskirts of Brisbane, or it
[5:53] Speaker 2: would be any country town or any major city around
[5:56] Speaker 2: the country. As always, we try to focus on normal
[5:59] Speaker 2: people before we get to the politics. And here is
[6:01] Speaker 2: some of them reacting to the endless pressure that has
[6:04] Speaker 2: existed since this government came to power.
[6:07] Speaker 3: But I do worry about the lack of anything being
[6:10] Speaker 3: done about the inflation in Australia.
[6:13] Speaker 2: I don't think the federal is doing enough.
[6:15] Speaker 4: It's crazy.
[6:16] Speaker 5: It's me and my husband working.
[6:18] Speaker 4: So two income now and it's not enough. We need
[6:23] Speaker 4: a new government. They're going to kill us.
[6:25] Speaker 1: Now, remember, this is a very safe Labor seat.
[6:27] Speaker 2: This is one where Jim Chalmers thinks it's so safe
[6:29] Speaker 2: that he'll eventually be able to wait out Anthony Albanese
[6:32] Speaker 2: and become the Prime Minister. Whether that is going to
[6:34] Speaker 2: be the case or not, we'll all find out together,
[6:36] Speaker 2: but those three people are in charge of the Australian economy.
[6:39] Speaker 2: It has got very bleak since they promised an opposition
[6:43] Speaker 2: to lower the cost of living. Everything is quite the opposite.
[6:46] Speaker 2: A perfect example is a family who were profiled in
[6:49] Speaker 2: The Australian today, which is a working family. They've got
[6:54] Speaker 2: a whole bunch of kids. And they, of course, talk
[6:56] Speaker 2: about the pressures that are on them right now, especially
[6:58] Speaker 2: after yesterday, with the interest rate rises and the ongoing pressure.
[7:03] Speaker 2: It's not just the mortgage where the costs are rising.
[7:05] Speaker 2: The family's food bill sits between $ 300 and $ 400 a week.
[7:09] Speaker 2: That's despite toasties and leftover night being in regular rotation.
[7:14] Speaker 2: A tank of diesel in the eight-seater car that they
[7:15] Speaker 2: own is now $ 200. The electricity bill was lower. In
[7:21] Speaker 2: their previous home, they've just recently moved to a joint
[7:23] Speaker 2: and they were planning to turn the forever home into
[7:27] Speaker 2: something special with renovations. They may get put off as
[7:30] Speaker 2: a result of all of this. The mum has said
[7:33] Speaker 2: that they've had to... They're down to the wood in
[7:38] Speaker 2: the wood heater because that's the best way to get
[7:40] Speaker 2: through winter as a way of saving money. On Tuesday,
[7:43] Speaker 2: their bill for their four-year-old triplets' school kindy photos, $ 825...
[7:49] Speaker 2: Their oldest son is on their way towards a school
[7:51] Speaker 2: camp next term. That's $ 400. Now, all of this is
[7:55] Speaker 2: the reality that we've been talking about for years. We
[7:58] Speaker 2: talk about it every night. And, of course, it's why
[7:59] Speaker 2: so many Australians were so angry last week when the
[8:02] Speaker 2: Prime Minister, rather than trying to do anything about this,
[8:06] Speaker 2: is trotting around the global stage. Of course, that global award,
[8:09] Speaker 2: tuxedos and all, hanging out with the movie stars, is
[8:13] Speaker 2: exactly the opposite.
[8:14] Speaker 1: Of how normal Australians think our Prime Minister should be
[8:16] Speaker 1: at things. He should be 24-7 on the economy.
[8:19] Speaker 2: rather than just burnishing his own trophy cabinet. Now, today,
[8:24] Speaker 2: the Turnbull Times, the Guardian, they released the essential poll,
[8:28] Speaker 2: and it shows, yet again, the national mood is the
[8:31] Speaker 2: worst it has been since this government came to office.
[8:34] Speaker 2: The top line, the coloured line there, the orange line
[8:37] Speaker 2: or red line, depending on your colour palette, 60% of
[8:40] Speaker 2: the country now say that the country is headed in
[8:42] Speaker 2: the wrong direction. You can see where it was when
[8:44] Speaker 2: the government came to power with a more positive view,
[8:47] Speaker 2: completely replaced. This is now worse than the worst moments.
[8:52] Speaker 2: Midterm last time at 60%. And it is every demographic. 55%.
[8:59] Speaker 2: of the youngest voters, they say the country is headed
[9:01] Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. That's 18 to 34s. 62% of
[9:07] Speaker 2: the people who are right in the middle of their
[9:10] Speaker 2: building years, that being the millennials or the Gen Xs, 62%
[9:14] Speaker 2: say the country is headed in the wrong direction. Those
[9:17] Speaker 2: that are, of course, towards the end of their working
[9:19] Speaker 2: life or... trying to hold on to what they have
[9:22] Speaker 2: after a working life.
[9:24] Speaker 1: That is now.
[9:24] Speaker 2: 62% of people who think that things are headed in
[9:28] Speaker 2: the wrong direction.
[9:29] Speaker 1: We don't need polls to tell us that.
[9:31] Speaker 2: We just need to know our own lives and our
[9:32] Speaker 2: own lives are getting tougher. In the past few weeks, Australia,
[9:37] Speaker 2: of course, now has the highest interest rates in the world.
[9:40] Speaker 2: We are higher than the United States, higher than the UK.
[9:42] Speaker 2: All of those countries, of course, are affected by the
[9:45] Speaker 2: same war in the Middle East that we are. But
[9:48] Speaker 2: we were in a worse position before the war started.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Remember that two of the three, or should I say four,
[9:56] Speaker 2: interest rates that have taken place, that all happened before
[9:59] Speaker 2: the war in Iran. There is a big problem with
[10:02] Speaker 2: inflation in Australia, something that the government, remember, told us
[10:06] Speaker 2: just before the re-election that we'd turned the corner?
[10:08] Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
[10:09] Speaker 2: We haven't, and we are going around the cul-de-sac in
[10:12] Speaker 2: smaller and smaller circles, and normal people are really hurting. Now,
[10:18] Speaker 2: In terms of inflation, of course, the very big news
[10:21] Speaker 2: today was it keeps going up.
[10:24] Speaker 1: First, it was interest rates. Tonight, it's prices going up.
[10:28] Speaker 1: Inflation jumping today to a four-month high.
[10:31] Speaker 5: Millions of Australians struggling to pay their mortgages are now
[10:34] Speaker 5: staring down the barrel of back-to-back interest rate hikes.
[10:37] Speaker 6: Borrowers are bracing for more pain as inflation rises to 4%.
[10:43] Speaker 2: Now, of course, all of this is thousands of dollars
[10:46] Speaker 2: a year on top of the already tens of thousands
[10:50] Speaker 2: of dollars that people have had to find to try
[10:52] Speaker 2: to pay off their homes. It doesn't matter if we're
[10:55] Speaker 2: talking about the smallest studio apartment or the biggest house
[10:59] Speaker 2: in the street. The cost of paying those things off
[11:02] Speaker 2: has got 16 times worse under this government. Now, remember,
[11:08] Speaker 2: all of this was supposedly... because the Reserve Bank and
[11:11] Speaker 2: the government were trying to get inflation back between 2%
[11:13] Speaker 2: and 3%.
[11:14] Speaker 1: Well, now, as you just heard, it has.
[11:16] Speaker 2: Cracked 4% in the month of August.
[11:20] Speaker 1: What went up?
[11:21] Speaker 2: Well, have a look and think about if this has
[11:23] Speaker 2: anything to do with the war.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Housing up 5.7%. Transport, yes, that's petrol, 5.6%. Alcohol and tobacco,
[11:28] Speaker 1: because of the taxes, 4.9%. Education, 4.7%. Health is up.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Insurance is up.
[11:39] Speaker 2: Food and non-alcoholic beverages are up. Recreation and culture is up.
[11:43] Speaker 2: Clothing and footwear is also up. Tim Wilson is the
[11:46] Speaker 2: shadow treasurer and he knows exactly who's responsible.
[11:51] Speaker 5: This is the problem with our taxaholic treasurer and his
[11:54] Speaker 5: economic model. The economic model is designed to take from
[11:57] Speaker 5: the future to cover for his political and economic blunders
[12:01] Speaker 5: today and as a consequence we have upward pressure on
[12:04] Speaker 5: inflation that flows through interest rates and prices at the supermarket.
[12:09] Speaker 1: But of course the government has nothing to do with this,
[12:11] Speaker 1: right Treasurer?
[12:13] Speaker 6: The main reason why inflation in annual headline terms went
[12:17] Speaker 6: from the middle threes to four is because of the
[12:21] Speaker 6: extra pressure from the re-escalation of the war in the
[12:24] Speaker 6: Middle East.
[12:25] Speaker 2: What does the war in the Middle East have to
[12:26] Speaker 2: do with housing? Either the cost of building it or
[12:29] Speaker 2: of course the cost of being able to stay in it.
[12:32] Speaker 2: What does it have to do with alcohol and tobacco?
[12:36] Speaker 2: What does it have to do with education, health or insurance? Yes,
[12:39] Speaker 2: there is a war that is going on. Yes, that
[12:41] Speaker 2: does affect the entire globe. But we are getting hit
[12:44] Speaker 2: worse because this government did not do the work. Instead,
[12:48] Speaker 2: they did everything they could to get re-elected. They got
[12:51] Speaker 2: lucky with that one interest rate drop just before the election.
[12:56] Speaker 2: The Treasurer was out and about during the election campaign
[12:58] Speaker 2: that there could be four or five interest rate reductions. Instead,
[13:02] Speaker 2: we are now back to the worst position in 15 years.
[13:06] Speaker 1: Hence why?
[13:07] Speaker 2: 60% of the country say that we are headed in
[13:09] Speaker 2: the wrong direction, and sadly that direction is only going
[13:12] Speaker 2: to continue. Because if the only button they can press
[13:15] Speaker 2: is interest rates going up, to get it down between 2%
[13:18] Speaker 2: and 3%, as soon as next month, Melbourne Cup Day,
[13:21] Speaker 2: is when there will be another meeting of the Reserve Bank,
[13:24] Speaker 2: The markets say that it's a 50-50 chance of an
[13:26] Speaker 2: interest rate rise. I hope, of course, that the 50%
[13:29] Speaker 2: who say nothing's going to change is right. But with
[13:32] Speaker 2: the numbers going the way that they are, including that
[13:34] Speaker 2: particularly strong inflation number, there's plenty who have been speculating
[13:38] Speaker 2: that if this information had come out a couple of
[13:40] Speaker 2: days before, it would have gone up by a full
[13:43] Speaker 2: half of a percent, not a quarter of 1%.
[13:49] Speaker 1: Now, of course, the cost of.
[13:50] Speaker 2: Paying houses matters because it is the single biggest bill
[13:54] Speaker 2: that most people have. A third of the country owns
[13:57] Speaker 2: a house. A third of the country has paid off
[13:59] Speaker 2: the house. A third of the country is renting, meaning
[14:01] Speaker 2: they need somebody to pay off their house. The Reserve Bank, again,
[14:06] Speaker 2: has delivered the verdict on the Australian economy under Anthony
[14:09] Speaker 2: Albanese and Jim Chalmers.
[14:12] Speaker 1: And it's up, up, up.
[14:13] Speaker 2: 16 times it has gone up. And I tell you
[14:17] Speaker 2: what has aged like milk in the sun was the
[14:23] Speaker 2: personal standard that the Treasurer took to interest rate rises
[14:27] Speaker 2: when there was just one of them just before the
[14:29] Speaker 2: election where they promised to make cost of living lower. Remember,
[14:33] Speaker 2: this is what he said when there was one interest
[14:36] Speaker 2: rate rise, not 16 like there had been on his watch.
[14:40] Speaker 6: In annual headline terms went from the middle threes to four.
[14:45] Speaker 6: is because of the extra pressure from the re-escalation of
[14:48] Speaker 6: the war in.
[14:49] Speaker 1: The Middle East.
[14:50] Speaker 2: Now, of course, that's the endless blaming that always takes
[14:52] Speaker 2: place there. So let us have a look here, right? Now,
[14:55] Speaker 2: of course, Jim Chalmers has always made it very clear
[14:58] Speaker 2: that it's never his fault. And he, of course, criticised
[15:01] Speaker 2: Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party for always never taking responsibility.
[15:05] Speaker 2: They only took responsibility for the good side of things,
[15:09] Speaker 2: not the bad side of things. Well... Let's sit down
[15:13] Speaker 2: and let's have a look at what responsibility Jim Chalmers
[15:16] Speaker 2: has taken when interest rates go up on his watch,
[15:20] Speaker 2: like the first time in June of 2022.
[15:26] Speaker 6: The reality is that government changed hands at a time
[15:30] Speaker 6: of high and rising inflation, rising interest rates and.
[15:35] Speaker 2: Now, of course, he made that deeply personal about Scott Morrison,
[15:38] Speaker 2: Josh Frydenberg, the Liberal Party, of course, completely ignoring the
[15:42] Speaker 2: reality that inflation was where it was at the time
[15:46] Speaker 2: of the change, not just because of government policy, but.
[15:48] Speaker 1: The global issue was, of course, COVID.
[15:51] Speaker 2: Remember the amount of debt that had to be put
[15:53] Speaker 2: in place because the country shut down.
[15:56] Speaker 1: That, of course, is what took place.
[15:58] Speaker 2: So what happened the second time interest rates went up?
[16:02] Speaker 2: Did he accept responsibility like he criticised the Liberals for
[16:06] Speaker 2: not taking responsibility?
[16:09] Speaker 6: Government changed hands at a time of high and rising inflation,
[16:12] Speaker 6: rising interest rates, falling real wages, natural disasters to contend
[16:17] Speaker 6: with as well.
[16:20] Speaker 1: So that was June, July. What about August?
[16:23] Speaker 6: This cycle of interest rate rises began before the election
[16:27] Speaker 6: in response to inflationary pressures that began accelerating at the
[16:32] Speaker 6: beginning of this year.
[16:34] Speaker 1: September.
[16:36] Speaker 6: Our economic plan, our budget, they're all deliberate and direct
[16:40] Speaker 6: responses to these economic circumstances that were left to us.
[16:44] Speaker 6: High and rising inflation, flat and falling real wages and
[16:48] Speaker 6: productivity paralysis.
[16:50] Speaker 2: Take a bet on the 4th of October in 2022.
[16:55] Speaker 6: Ever since interest rates started rising before the election, it
[16:59] Speaker 6: was clear from the Independent Reserve Bank that there would
[17:01] Speaker 6: be a number of interest rate rises.
[17:04] Speaker 1: By the sixth interest rate rise, there was a new excuse.
[17:08] Speaker 6: Given what's happening in energy markets as a consequence of
[17:12] Speaker 6: the war in Ukraine and given the upward pressure on
[17:16] Speaker 6: grocery prices brought about, by flooding of some of the
[17:20] Speaker 6: prime farmland in eastern Australia.
[17:24] Speaker 2: By December of their first year in office, well, he
[17:26] Speaker 2: was able to go to the greatest hits of excuses
[17:29] Speaker 2: as to why Australians were beginning to start to pay
[17:32] Speaker 2: way more than they ever expected to for the house
[17:35] Speaker 2: that they live in.
[17:37] Speaker 6: Australians are paying a hefty price for nine months of
[17:41] Speaker 6: Russian aggression and nine years of coalition incompetence when it
[17:45] Speaker 6: comes to energy.
[17:46] Speaker 2: 2023, the same story at the first meeting of the
[17:50] Speaker 2: Reserve Bank on the 7th of February.
[17:52] Speaker 1: Again, the government, nothing to do with this.
[17:55] Speaker 6: It's our job to focus on the broader pressures that
[17:58] Speaker 6: are coming at us from around the world and being
[18:00] Speaker 6: felt around the kitchen tables of this country.
[18:04] Speaker 1: Or the 7th of March.
[18:06] Speaker 6: The worst quarter for inflation was the March quarter last
[18:09] Speaker 6: year before government changed hands and that's when rates started rising.
[18:14] Speaker 6: Australians understand that a lot of this inflation is coming
[18:16] Speaker 6: at us from around the world.
[18:19] Speaker 2: By the time the tenth interest rate had risen, the
[18:22] Speaker 2: government had been in power for a significant period of time.
[18:25] Speaker 2: Still nothing to do with them.
[18:28] Speaker 6: Global economic uncertainty that we've seen in recent times.
[18:34] Speaker 1: Or a month later.
[18:36] Speaker 6: We don't need it explained to us as a government.
[18:39] Speaker 6: that we've had an inflation challenge in our economy that
[18:41] Speaker 6: began before the election and continued after. Interest rates began
[18:45] Speaker 6: rising before the election and continued after.
[18:48] Speaker 2: At the end of their second year in power, again,
[18:52] Speaker 2: interest rates rose, but it wasn't his fault.
[18:56] Speaker 6: In a speech last week, I said that Treasury had
[18:59] Speaker 6: already changed some of their expectations for inflation in the
[19:03] Speaker 6: near term because of this volatility we've seen in fuel prices,
[19:07] Speaker 6: and that's because of decisions taken by oil-producing countries on
[19:11] Speaker 6: the other side of the world to wind back on supply.
[19:15] Speaker 1: Things held in 2024.
[19:17] Speaker 2: They got ever so slightly better in time for the
[19:21] Speaker 2: election in 2025.
[19:23] Speaker 1: But guess what happened next? And guess who's not responsible?
[19:28] Speaker 6: They left us much higher inflation. They left us a
[19:31] Speaker 6: much weaker budget.
[19:34] Speaker 2: On the 3rd of February this year, it was still
[19:38] Speaker 2: the other government's fault. interest rates had gone down about
[19:42] Speaker 2: a year earlier. That was, of course, the government's responsibility.
[19:45] Speaker 2: But when they started to go up again, well, you
[19:46] Speaker 2: just saw the excuse. Unsurprisingly, when it went up for
[19:51] Speaker 2: the 14th time, the man in charge of the Australian
[19:54] Speaker 2: economy isn't.
[19:57] Speaker 6: Developments in the Middle East are already making that challenge harder.
[20:02] Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that at that interest rate rise,
[20:05] Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank made it clear that it was domestic
[20:09] Speaker 2: inflation that was the problem. Then, of course, yet again,
[20:13] Speaker 2: interest rates went up, but nothing to see here from
[20:15] Speaker 2: the man who is responsible or not for the Australian economy.
[20:20] Speaker 6: Australians are already paying a hefty price for this war
[20:23] Speaker 6: in the Middle East, and this decision will make things
[20:25] Speaker 6: harder for people.
[20:27] Speaker 2: And, of course, this week, the man who has been
[20:31] Speaker 2: the Treasurer for the entire first term and now halfway
[20:33] Speaker 2: through the second term of the Albanese government is still
[20:38] Speaker 2: not responsible for interest rate rises that have now hit
[20:42] Speaker 2: the highest in 15 years.
[20:46] Speaker 6: Our inflation challenge is being turbocharged by a war on
[20:50] Speaker 6: the other side of the world.
[20:52] Speaker 1: What was it that he said?
[20:54] Speaker 2: Way back when, in 2022, when interest rates just went
[20:57] Speaker 2: up once at the very end of the former government.
[21:03] Speaker 6: When things are going well, he's in front of the
[21:05] Speaker 6: camera claiming all the credit. When times are tough, he
[21:08] Speaker 6: takes none of the responsibility.
[21:11] Speaker 2: What was an attack is now what he sees in
[21:14] Speaker 2: the mirror and Australians are paying for it. We did
[21:18] Speaker 2: not turn the corner. Instead, things got worse.
[21:21] Speaker 1: You knew it. I knew it.
[21:23] Speaker 2: But the politics of the day meant that they were
[21:25] Speaker 2: able to get another term in office, another term in
[21:27] Speaker 2: office with higher interest rates, yet no responsibility. Unless, of course,
[21:32] Speaker 2: they go down, and that's all because they're the ones
[21:35] Speaker 2: in charge. Also buried inside this polling that turned up
[21:40] Speaker 2: today in the Turnbull Times via the Essential organisation was
[21:45] Speaker 2: some interesting polling about how people feel about their own lives. Now,
[21:50] Speaker 2: of course, there are 28 million and a bit of us,
[21:52] Speaker 2: so the story may be different, but they decided to
[21:54] Speaker 2: ask people about their happiness with a whole bunch of stuff,
[21:57] Speaker 2: rank it out of 10. Life overall, 60% of the
[22:01] Speaker 2: country saying we're headed in the wrong direction, so no
[22:03] Speaker 2: surprise that 6.4 is the mark that we give ourselves
[22:06] Speaker 2: for life overall. 6.8% for our personal life, 6.2% for
[22:11] Speaker 2: our spiritual life, 6.1% for our social life, under 6%
[22:15] Speaker 2: at 5.7% for our work life, and the financial situation, unsurprisingly,
[22:21] Speaker 2: is barely half out of the possible mark of 10
[22:24] Speaker 2: at 5.4%. But quite interestingly.
[22:31] Speaker 2: If you know how to read these polls and you
[22:32] Speaker 2: know how to find the data, and I must say
[22:34] Speaker 2: they do publish it and do publish it publicly for
[22:36] Speaker 2: free every time they put these things out so we're
[22:38] Speaker 2: able to make this point, is they can also tell
[22:41] Speaker 2: us about which party's voters are the saddest amongst us.
[22:46] Speaker 2: Is it One Nation voters because they want to change
[22:48] Speaker 2: the country? Is it Labor voters because they're sticking with
[22:52] Speaker 2: this bloke? Is it the opposition who, of course, want
[22:54] Speaker 2: the change?
[22:55] Speaker 1: Or is it the.
[22:55] Speaker 2: Brand-new Greens leader? More on him in a second. Well,
[22:59] Speaker 2: the answer is, if you look at this, about life overall,
[23:03] Speaker 2: red is for Labor, blue is for Coalition, orange is
[23:06] Speaker 2: for One Nation, and the saddest of all are the Greens.
[23:11] Speaker 2: With their personal life and family life, guess who is
[23:14] Speaker 2: the saddest? The Greens voters. Their spiritual life, do they
[23:19] Speaker 2: have one, is Greens voters again. At work, the most
[23:25] Speaker 2: unhappy people are Greens voters in their social life. Now,
[23:29] Speaker 2: government has nothing to do with social life. Billionaires, corporations
[23:33] Speaker 2: don't have anything to do with it. Fossil fuel companies
[23:35] Speaker 2: don't have anything to do with your social life. But
[23:37] Speaker 2: self-identified Greens voters are the least happy with their social
[23:41] Speaker 2: life and their financial situation. They are the least happy
[23:46] Speaker 2: with what's going on. So it's official. The saddest voters
[23:50] Speaker 2: in Australia, according to a poll in The Guardian, are
[23:54] Speaker 2: Greens voters.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Of course, the Greens have a new leader.
[23:59] Speaker 2: Why? Louisa Waters has stepped down.
[24:01] Speaker 1: We wish her well with her health battle.
[24:04] Speaker 2: But essentially, there's been a bit of a nothingness that
[24:06] Speaker 2: has taken place, despite all of those things that presumably
[24:09] Speaker 2: are why the Greens believe the system needs to change.
[24:12] Speaker 2: David Shoebridge, the senator from New South Wales, is now
[24:16] Speaker 2: their new leader. He has plans not just to grow
[24:19] Speaker 2: the vote, but to replace the Labor Party with the
[24:23] Speaker 2: saddest voters as his base.
[24:26] Speaker 7: This is the moment for the Greens to fill the
[24:28] Speaker 7: vacuum that has been left by the Labor Party rushing
[24:32] Speaker 7: to the right. Labor has created the circumstances for One
[24:35] Speaker 7: Nation and Labor is not the answer. The Greens, the
[24:39] Speaker 7: progressive alternative, we're here to beat down One Nation and
[24:43] Speaker 7: we're here to replace Labor and return hope and faith
[24:46] Speaker 7: to politics.
[24:48] Speaker 2: Now, he may talk about beating down One Nation, but,
[24:50] Speaker 2: of course, One Nation is absolutely surging. is more than
[24:54] Speaker 2: double where the Greens are since the last election.
[24:58] Speaker 1: Remember, One Nation was in single digits.
[25:01] Speaker 2: The Greens have been in double digits, but the Greens
[25:03] Speaker 2: have basically been behind the eight ball ever since the
[25:07] Speaker 2: last election. The surge has been for One Nation. Now,
[25:12] Speaker 2: I wouldn't imagine there's a lot of crossover between an
[25:14] Speaker 2: angry Greens voter who's become a One Nation voter, but
[25:16] Speaker 2: you can see the Orange versus the Greens. So what
[25:19] Speaker 2: is the plan for how to take on the evil
[25:21] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson who has double your vote and happier voters, Senator?
[25:26] Speaker 7: The Greens, the progressive alternative. We're here to beat down
[25:31] Speaker 7: One Nation.
[25:33] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[25:34] Speaker 2: That's the plan, is just to beat them down, is
[25:36] Speaker 2: to point at them and to yell and to scandalise
[25:39] Speaker 2: any and anyone who's even thinking about voting for them,
[25:41] Speaker 2: let alone the evil Coalition. both of whom, you would imagine,
[25:45] Speaker 2: have to be political beneficiaries when the economy is as
[25:49] Speaker 2: bad as it is. Now, a word of opportunity here
[25:52] Speaker 2: for the Coalition. The single best issue that they have
[25:55] Speaker 2: in any poll that I have seen is the economy.
[25:58] Speaker 2: Now is the time for them to be putting themselves
[26:00] Speaker 2: forward as the economic alternative, and these are the circumstances
[26:05] Speaker 2: where surely, surely, their vote starts to turn, be it
[26:09] Speaker 2: off Labor, be it off the Greens, be it off
[26:11] Speaker 2: the Teals, or, yes, be it off One Nation. It'll
[26:14] Speaker 2: be fascinating to see whether that happens at all. We'll,
[26:17] Speaker 2: of course, find out together. Another little bit of politics,
[26:22] Speaker 2: but this time I want to go to the United
[26:24] Speaker 2: States because, believe it or not, it's election season there again.
[26:28] Speaker 2: Donald Trump, of course, won his famous second election, November 2024. Well,
[26:36] Speaker 2: of course, every two years there is what is called
[26:38] Speaker 2: a midterm election. This is not for the President, but
[26:40] Speaker 2: it is for the Parliament, both for the House of Representatives...
[26:43] Speaker 2: And for the Senate, why does this matter? Because, put simply,
[26:47] Speaker 2: if you don't have the majority of votes in the Senate,
[26:50] Speaker 2: anyone you want to get confirmed by the Senate, judges,
[26:54] Speaker 2: cabinet positions, it won't happen. If you lose the House, well,
[26:59] Speaker 2: then a whole bunch of investigations can happen. And absolutely,
[27:02] Speaker 2: as sure as night follows day, we will be back
[27:04] Speaker 2: into two years of endless investigations and endless impeachments. Now,
[27:09] Speaker 2: because there is not a two-thirds majority for either party,
[27:12] Speaker 2: things will again go off and die in the Senate
[27:15] Speaker 2: on party lines. But I want to show you just
[27:18] Speaker 2: how serious things are for the Republicans and for the
[27:22] Speaker 2: last two years, potentially, of Donald Trump's presidency. Right now,
[27:27] Speaker 2: the make-up is, with the GOP being... a majority of
[27:31] Speaker 2: 53 to 47. Now, if it's 50-50, the Vice President
[27:34] Speaker 2: can get a tie and the Republicans, Trump, gets what
[27:38] Speaker 2: they want. In the House, it is a very slender majority,
[27:42] Speaker 2: but a majority nonetheless. Now, opinion polls, betting markets, you
[27:47] Speaker 2: name it, they all pretty much look like this, which
[27:49] Speaker 2: is that the Democrats are going to have a very
[27:51] Speaker 2: good time on the first Tuesday in November, Melbourne Cup
[27:56] Speaker 2: Day here in Australia, Election Day in the United States.
[27:59] Speaker 2: Have a look here at the generic congressional vote. All
[28:02] Speaker 2: you need to see is red that is going south
[28:05] Speaker 2: and blue, which is going north. What this would mean
[28:08] Speaker 2: is that the Democrats would win at least 25 seats
[28:11] Speaker 2: and control of the House. But are you sitting down?
[28:14] Speaker 2: They could win as many as six Senate seats, completely
[28:18] Speaker 2: flipping from minority to clear majority, being able to say
[28:22] Speaker 2: no to all and sundry when it comes to anything
[28:25] Speaker 2: that Trump wants to do. Mark Halperin is an excellent
[28:28] Speaker 2: political reporter who is really plugged in on all sides.
[28:32] Speaker 2: He's the guy who wrote that game-change book, of course,
[28:35] Speaker 2: about the 2008 election between Obama and McCain. And the
[28:38] Speaker 2: many years since, he has been right on the money
[28:41] Speaker 2: when things were good for Republicans, bad for Republicans, Trump
[28:45] Speaker 2: coming back or Harris never really getting there. He is
[28:48] Speaker 2: genuinely a reporter who follows the reality of a story,
[28:53] Speaker 2: not just the narrative of it. He works with Megyn
[28:54] Speaker 2: Kelly in the United States as well, And he spoke
[28:58] Speaker 2: about the Republican picture perhaps even being worse than what
[29:01] Speaker 2: I've just told you.
[29:03] Speaker 3: Right now, things are very grim. They're racist that they weren't.
[29:06] Speaker 3: thinking would be in play that are now in play.
[29:09] Speaker 3: I've said, if you're a Republican strategist and you agree
[29:11] Speaker 3: with Chris LaCivita and you disagree with my reporting and
[29:14] Speaker 3: you're working on any races, contact me. I'm up to
[29:18] Speaker 3: 45 now, and all 45 have said one of two things.
[29:21] Speaker 3: Either my reporting is spot on, Republicans aren't facing a
[29:24] Speaker 3: tough situation, or about half of those 45 have said,
[29:28] Speaker 3: you've actually understated the case. The problem's bigger than your
[29:31] Speaker 3: sources so far have described it.
[29:34] Speaker 2: Now, again, to give you an idea, we showed you
[29:35] Speaker 2: this when it came to Biden, and it's not pretty
[29:39] Speaker 2: if you want to... Trump to be able to control
[29:42] Speaker 2: the government in the United States to continue on with
[29:44] Speaker 2: his agenda. As you can see, Donald Trump, when it
[29:47] Speaker 2: comes to overall approval and disapproval, is in about as
[29:50] Speaker 2: negative a territory as you can get. His numbers are
[29:53] Speaker 2: now as bad as they ever were during the first term.
[29:56] Speaker 2: That wasn't always the way. There was a positive start
[29:58] Speaker 2: to the administration. On the issues that matter, obviously immigration
[30:04] Speaker 2: is supposedly the A1 issue that Americans always back the
[30:07] Speaker 2: President on.
[30:08] Speaker 1: Well, not quite.
[30:09] Speaker 2: 54 to 41 is the disapproval number. That's the top
[30:13] Speaker 2: colour there, the orange, over his approval number. When it
[30:17] Speaker 2: comes to inflation, this is what is going to bury
[30:21] Speaker 2: Republicans in November if nothing changes. Currently, Trump has a 71%
[30:27] Speaker 2: disapproval rate on inflation. Inflation is the same everywhere around
[30:34] Speaker 2: the world. And as it will be for Biden, it
[30:36] Speaker 2: could be for Trump. And as it was for Morrison,
[30:40] Speaker 2: it may well be for Albanese. In a moment or two,
[30:44] Speaker 2: we'll get into the debate of the evening, but a reminder,
[30:46] Speaker 2: we are coming to Karratha in Western Australia, and if
[30:49] Speaker 2: you'd like to join us there in a couple of Sundays' time,
[30:51] Speaker 2: you can do so, which is ourtownatnews24.
[30:52] Speaker 1: Com. au. Ourtownatnews24. com. au.
[30:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk money and the bloke who
[30:58] Speaker 2: apparently has no responsibility for the economy that he's driving
[31:02] Speaker 2: into the ground.
[31:03] Speaker 4: Next.
[31:08] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching.
[31:09] Speaker 2: As we speak right now, a little more information is
[31:11] Speaker 2: coming out about this flight that could well have resulted
[31:15] Speaker 2: in everyone on it being killed. This, of course, is
[31:18] Speaker 2: the flight that was making its way from the UAE
[31:21] Speaker 2: to Israel.
[31:22] Speaker 1: It ended up.
[31:23] Speaker 2: Landing successfully in Saudi Arabia. As you can see there,
[31:27] Speaker 2: this is the timeline of things that took place when
[31:30] Speaker 2: there was apparently the incident between pilot and co-pilot, we
[31:34] Speaker 2: don't know which, and an attempted, well, stabbing which took
[31:38] Speaker 2: place between one of those two pilots the person who
[31:42] Speaker 2: is the the assailant the terrorist was eventually brought down
[31:46] Speaker 2: but have a look there where imagine what it'd be
[31:48] Speaker 2: like to be inside the plane as it drops 17
[31:51] Speaker 2: and a half thousand feet that happened in the best
[31:54] Speaker 2: part of Close to two minutes, somewhere between 90 seconds
[31:57] Speaker 2: and two minutes. Imagine, thank goodness they were so high
[32:00] Speaker 2: in the air. But you can imagine that that was
[32:02] Speaker 2: the battle that was taking place. We've got a bit
[32:04] Speaker 2: of information that is starting to come through from people
[32:07] Speaker 2: who were in the airport in Tel Aviv waiting for
[32:11] Speaker 2: the passengers who were due to arrive there. They're currently
[32:14] Speaker 2: safe and sound in Saudi Arabia. When they move back
[32:18] Speaker 2: to Israel, we'll find out. But here's a mother of
[32:20] Speaker 2: one of those passengers relaying the story that she heard
[32:23] Speaker 2: from her daughter about what had happened inside this plane
[32:27] Speaker 2: as it was making its way home.
[32:30] Speaker 8: The plane started to lose control. So all the people,
[32:36] Speaker 8: they scream, they think they are going. And after a
[32:40] Speaker 8: few minutes, two other pilots, they took the plane the control.
[32:50] Speaker 8: And a few Israelis, they run away to the guy.
[32:57] Speaker 8: He took a knife. They take his hand and put
[33:01] Speaker 8: him on the floor.
[33:04] Speaker 2: There was a lot of blood around.
[33:06] Speaker 8: She said it's Crazy, crazy time. It's very hard to
[33:14] Speaker 8: explain what happened there, but it was big stress.
[33:19] Speaker 1: Frightening.
[33:19] Speaker 2: That comes via the Reuters News Service and the BBC.
[33:21] Speaker 2: All right, let's get into more Australian news right now.
[33:24] Speaker 2: David Lindberg is a member of the Upper House in Victoria,
[33:26] Speaker 2: running for re-election at the November election, of course. As
[33:30] Speaker 2: a libertarian, I want you to support this bloke because
[33:33] Speaker 2: he is the one who was there during COVID and
[33:35] Speaker 2: he deserves to stay in Parliament for as long as
[33:36] Speaker 2: he wants because... He's the one who's always genuinely willing
[33:40] Speaker 2: to speak truth to power, as is our dear friend
[33:42] Speaker 2: Sean Bell, of course, the Senator for One Nation in
[33:43] Speaker 2: New South Wales. Lovely to see you both. So, Sean,
[33:45] Speaker 2: I'll start with you. The inflation picture, the interest rate picture,
[33:48] Speaker 2: and as I showed in chapter and verse, he had
[33:50] Speaker 2: a go at the former government for never fronting up
[33:54] Speaker 2: to when news was bad.
[33:56] Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
[33:56] Speaker 2: When it's gone up 16 times under him, there was
[33:59] Speaker 2: an excuse every time.
[34:01] Speaker 9: Well, it's Jim Chalmers versus Jim Chalmers, isn't it?
[34:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:04] Speaker 9: And unfortunately, the failure of the Labor government to take
[34:07] Speaker 9: any accountability for their terrible handling of the economy, the
[34:11] Speaker 9: pain and the brunt of that's been borne by the
[34:13] Speaker 9: Australian people. I mean, government spending is an issue. The
[34:17] Speaker 9: cost of living and their obsession. If we're talking government spending,
[34:22] Speaker 9: the number one thing they can do there is stop
[34:25] Speaker 9: the wasteful net zero spending. The number one thing, because
[34:27] Speaker 9: they're propping up a system with taxpayer money, which is
[34:30] Speaker 9: only driving electricity bills higher. And electricity bills feed into inflation,
[34:34] Speaker 9: which then drives those interest rate rises. And the government,
[34:38] Speaker 9: and look at fuel. The other thing, the government is
[34:39] Speaker 9: failing to take any action on things like domestic fuel security.
[34:44] Speaker 9: I mean, people go, well, it's a bit like people
[34:48] Speaker 9: sometimes say, how do you deal with a problem that's
[34:50] Speaker 9: so monumental that And so, well, how do you eat
[34:52] Speaker 9: an elephant, Paul? One bite at a time. If we
[34:55] Speaker 9: don't start doing things like drilling for oil now and
[34:59] Speaker 9: starting that process now, we're never going to be in
[35:01] Speaker 9: a position where we're insulated from international shock.
[35:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, David, you've seen it, of course, in
[35:07] Speaker 2: Victoria about government spending, state government spending, state government debt
[35:11] Speaker 2: is basically mirroring what's happening at the federal level. Again,
[35:14] Speaker 2: the libertarian in you, I'm sure, could find a red
[35:16] Speaker 2: pen and a budget and take it deep into about
[35:19] Speaker 2: half of what it currently is. But what role do
[35:22] Speaker 2: you think the federal government has to play, at the
[35:24] Speaker 2: very least, in acknowledging that they do have some control
[35:27] Speaker 2: over the Australian economy?
[35:31] Speaker 10: I'm with Milton Friedman on this. Inflation is always a
[35:35] Speaker 10: monetary phenomena. We've seen throughout Western governments and indeed many
[35:40] Speaker 10: Asian governments, so United States and Japan have been expanding
[35:44] Speaker 10: the money supply for decades now. Australia's been expanding it
[35:47] Speaker 10: as well. And the reason that they expand the money
[35:49] Speaker 10: supply is because they need more money to spend. And
[35:53] Speaker 10: that's exactly right. If the federal government chose to spend
[35:57] Speaker 10: less money, they wouldn't need to expand the money supply
[36:00] Speaker 10: and we would see inflation ease. But unfortunately, we're not
[36:03] Speaker 10: seeing that from the federal government. The state government less
[36:06] Speaker 10: so because the state government can't print money, of course. But,
[36:09] Speaker 10: you know, a lot of the state government money comes
[36:11] Speaker 10: from federal money grants and this sort of thing. So ultimately,
[36:15] Speaker 10: some of it does come from the federal government. So
[36:17] Speaker 10: they need to cut back spending if they want to
[36:19] Speaker 10: get inflation down. They'll never get it under control otherwise.
[36:22] Speaker 2: But David, we've lived through this political cycle now for
[36:24] Speaker 2: the best part of 20 years, which is that the
[36:26] Speaker 2: federal budget is about what's in it for me. The
[36:30] Speaker 2: running up of debt because modern monetary theory is that, oh,
[36:33] Speaker 2: they'll never call it in. But of course, as it
[36:35] Speaker 2: is in Victoria, it goes from servicing the debt, the
[36:38] Speaker 2: 20th biggest bill that you have every month, till eventually
[36:40] Speaker 2: it becomes.
[36:41] Speaker 1: The biggest bill. This is why this stuff matters.
[36:43] Speaker 2: It's not because we're a whole bunch of evil people
[36:45] Speaker 2: who want to see more homeless people.
[36:49] Speaker 10: Well, fortunately, the federal government and even the Labor Party
[36:52] Speaker 10: hasn't been so crazy as to embrace modern monetary theory. But, yes, like,
[36:58] Speaker 10: it's a difficult... Not.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Yet, thankfully.
[37:00] Speaker 10: Well, hopefully, if the Greens get more influence, which I
[37:04] Speaker 10: hope they don't, then we might end up in that
[37:07] Speaker 10: awful place. But, ultimately, people need... You know, the government
[37:11] Speaker 10: needs to tell the truth to people, right? They need
[37:13] Speaker 10: to say that we need to cut back on spending. Otherwise,
[37:16] Speaker 10: interest rates are going to keep going up because they
[37:18] Speaker 10: can't pretend that there's more dollars chasing more goods and
[37:23] Speaker 10: somehow that's going to make things better. People are seeing
[37:26] Speaker 10: it already with interest rates going up and up and up.
[37:29] Speaker 10: The RBA has to raise interest rates when inflation goes up,
[37:32] Speaker 10: otherwise we end up with bank runs or something horrible
[37:35] Speaker 10: like that. So, I mean, you know, they have to
[37:38] Speaker 10: be honest with people and say, this is what we
[37:39] Speaker 10: have to do to get inflation down. They don't have
[37:42] Speaker 10: the courage to do that. And I think they need
[37:45] Speaker 10: to be honest with people.
[37:46] Speaker 1: Let's talk about that new Greens leader.
[37:49] Speaker 2: He's pretty successful in terms of the way that he
[37:51] Speaker 2: can get his message across in terms of the media, Sean. But,
[37:55] Speaker 2: of course, the message is that they don't know the
[37:57] Speaker 2: difference between turnover and profit. They have a very high-taxing agenda,
[38:04] Speaker 2: a very hardcore left-wing political agenda. The Greens leader says
[38:09] Speaker 2: he's going to replace the Labor Party. You've been in
[38:11] Speaker 2: the Senate. You've seen how this bloke, David Shoebridge, works.
[38:14] Speaker 2: What's he going to be like?
[38:15] Speaker 9: Well, first of all, what a shocking out-of-nowhere win for
[38:18] Speaker 9: a cis white male in the Greens. I mean, and
[38:21] Speaker 9: with one fell swoop, suddenly One Nation's the only federal
[38:24] Speaker 9: party with a female leader. I mean, we're putting the
[38:27] Speaker 9: Greens to shame at their own game here. And, look,
[38:29] Speaker 9: the reality is the Greens have made a tactical choice here.
[38:32] Speaker 9: They decided that Maureen Farooqui was not going to be palatable.
[38:35] Speaker 9: That would hurt their vote, and so they've gone with
[38:36] Speaker 9: someone they think can deliver a subtler message. But the
[38:40] Speaker 9: reality is Senator Shoebridge is still radical... socialist, high-taxing, climate-change-obsessed,
[38:47] Speaker 9: big spending. I mean, if they replaced Labor, things would
[38:50] Speaker 9: be even worse.
[38:52] Speaker 2: Interesting to watch that on the duty of care bill, right, which,
[38:55] Speaker 2: of course, is the social media bill with that censorship
[38:58] Speaker 2: pill right in the middle of it, he's been somebody
[39:00] Speaker 2: who's openly talked about misinformation, disinformation. He's now in the
[39:04] Speaker 2: position to be able to be negotiating one-on-one. Labor can't
[39:06] Speaker 2: get anything done without the Greens. So do you expect
[39:10] Speaker 2: him to be pushing harder to the left or just
[39:13] Speaker 2: outright saying no to things? I mean, again, you've seen
[39:17] Speaker 2: him in the Senate and how he plays. It's now
[39:19] Speaker 2: his show. How do you think he runs it?
[39:21] Speaker 9: I mean, it's very interesting.
[39:22] Speaker 1: You bring up digital duty of care.
[39:24] Speaker 9: I mean, they were right behind that. And Senator Shoebridge
[39:26] Speaker 9: said that he was happy to try and use that
[39:28] Speaker 9: to silence people.
[39:29] Speaker 7: Mm.
[39:30] Speaker 9: And again, it's just funny. One of the things he
[39:32] Speaker 9: talked about in his first chance to speak as leader
[39:35] Speaker 9: was how he's going to try and stop One Nation.
[39:37] Speaker 9: But One Nation, we're here to defeat the socialists, but
[39:40] Speaker 9: we're also here, how do we stop the Australian people
[39:43] Speaker 9: from going broke? You know, you don't do it by
[39:46] Speaker 9: silencing them on social media. You do it by things like,
[39:49] Speaker 9: One nation super pay boost legislation. And we're in the
[39:51] Speaker 9: middle of a cost of living crisis and yet the Greens,
[39:54] Speaker 9: they're dissolving internally over their own battles. So where's the
[39:58] Speaker 9: focus of the Australian people? The Greens are only focused
[40:01] Speaker 9: on one thing. How can they get more of your
[40:03] Speaker 9: money into the government's pocket?
[40:05] Speaker 1: Well, and don't forget what David's got to deal with.
[40:06] Speaker 2: I mean, talk about, you know, he's got his animal
[40:08] Speaker 2: justice party, the cannabis people that are there. And then
[40:11] Speaker 2: he's also a Victorian socialist. Mate, imagine that crossbench. It'll
[40:14] Speaker 2: be fun to play with post the election. Obviously, we'll see. Hopefully,
[40:17] Speaker 2: there's more libertarians and One Nation that are going to
[40:20] Speaker 2: be there on that crossbench. But what about Melbourne City Council?
[40:23] Speaker 2: They've gone from woke... 1.0, which I think is what
[40:27] Speaker 2: AOC used to say, to a midpoint before eventually we
[40:30] Speaker 2: get to woke 2.0, which is that they've gone from
[40:33] Speaker 2: change the date to now, why don't we celebrate Australia
[40:37] Speaker 2: Day more overtly? The council and the previous mayor took
[40:41] Speaker 2: the lefty position where, of course, at the height of COVID,
[40:44] Speaker 2: they cancelled and never returned the Australia Day parade in Melbourne. Well,
[40:49] Speaker 2: Nicholas Rees voted to re-endorse Australia Day, but he thinks
[40:53] Speaker 2: they should eventually change the date.
[40:56] Speaker 11: Last night at Melbourne Town Hall and so there was
[41:00] Speaker 11: an acknowledgement that 26 January is Australia's National Day as
[41:05] Speaker 11: set by the Australian Government and that in alignment with
[41:10] Speaker 11: that the City of Melbourne would host events that mark
[41:15] Speaker 11: the occasion.
[41:17] Speaker 2: David, what does this tell you about not just the
[41:19] Speaker 2: change in Melbourne City Council but the change perhaps in
[41:21] Speaker 2: wider Victoria that it's not the worst day on the calendar?
[41:27] Speaker 10: Well, I think this is a great move by Melbourne
[41:29] Speaker 10: City Council. I don't think that councils should be deciding which,
[41:33] Speaker 10: you know, national holidays they want to celebrate and which
[41:37] Speaker 10: ones they don't. The reality is most councils on Australia Day,
[41:41] Speaker 10: one of the things that they do is they have
[41:42] Speaker 10: citizenship ceremonies and many people who become citizens declare their
[41:47] Speaker 10: allegiance to Australia. And as you point out, we used
[41:50] Speaker 10: to have this parade in the city. You know, it
[41:53] Speaker 10: was cancelled just... around COVID time. But what used to
[41:57] Speaker 10: happen in that parade was many of these migrant groups
[42:00] Speaker 10: who'd become citizens would show their love for Australia and
[42:04] Speaker 10: have these parades with their customary dress and things like this.
[42:09] Speaker 10: And I think that we should bring that back. I
[42:11] Speaker 10: think one thing that we're missing at the moment is
[42:14] Speaker 10: social cohesion more than ever. And if we can show
[42:17] Speaker 10: that Australia's got all these wonderful migrant communities that have
[42:20] Speaker 10: come to Australia and become citizens and show how much
[42:23] Speaker 10: they actually, you know, care for Australia and love Australia,
[42:27] Speaker 10: that can only be a good thing.
[42:28] Speaker 1: I agree completely.
[42:30] Speaker 2: And if Melbourne was willing to line the streets for
[42:32] Speaker 2: two out-of-town teams last week on the public holiday for
[42:34] Speaker 2: a grand final, I reckon they'll turn out on a
[42:36] Speaker 2: public holiday for their own country. Sean seems like the
[42:39] Speaker 2: obvious place to be here, but our old mate Nick, well,
[42:42] Speaker 2: he's happy to go along with it.
[42:43] Speaker 9: So I'll say this, this is what I call the
[42:45] Speaker 9: one nation effect. Because one nation is surging, it's just
[42:49] Speaker 9: suddenly you find people, mayors, governments, shockingly sensible. They'll start
[42:55] Speaker 9: throwing out, you know, little breadcrumbs, but don't fall for
[42:59] Speaker 9: it because the main course is right around the corner.
[43:02] Speaker 9: So if you want to see more of this, if
[43:03] Speaker 9: you think that's a sensible decision, then you have to
[43:05] Speaker 9: support one nation at the Victorian state election. Because when
[43:09] Speaker 9: one nation is strong... Other people are forced to do
[43:12] Speaker 9: the right thing.
[43:13] Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Don't go for the vertebrae,
[43:14] Speaker 1: go for the whole spine. All right, thank you, lads.
[43:16] Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. Make sure you follow them both
[43:18] Speaker 1: on socials.
[43:19] Speaker 2: They're both very good and I'm glad they're in the
[43:20] Speaker 2: parliament and I'm glad they speak to us as regularly
[43:22] Speaker 2: as they do.
[43:23] Speaker 1: The great Megyn Kelly is next.
[43:24] Speaker 2: The BBC says that fingernails are racist.
[43:27] Speaker 1: Seriously, fingernails and what you do or don't do with
[43:30] Speaker 1: them is racist. The Queen is next.
[43:38] Speaker 2: It's our favourite time of the week to talk to
[43:39] Speaker 2: our favourite person in the world, the one, the only,
[43:41] Speaker 2: the wonderful Megan Kelly.
[43:42] Speaker 1: Megan, lovely to see you.
[43:44] Speaker 4: Great to be here.
[43:45] Speaker 2: Now, before we solve the world's problems, why is the
[43:48] Speaker 2: BBC now saying that fingernails are racist?
[43:52] Speaker 4: Honestly, I can't keep up. First of all, I want
[43:55] Speaker 4: to show my nails for the record. There is nothing.
[43:58] Speaker 4: I have absolutely nothing on them. This is how I've
[44:01] Speaker 4: been wearing them for years because I'm busy. And it's
[44:05] Speaker 4: one less thing to have to worry about if you
[44:07] Speaker 4: don't maintain your nails in like any fancy way. And
[44:12] Speaker 4: I clean them and I will occasionally have them buffed out.
[44:16] Speaker 4: I do get a pedicure. So occasionally I'll be like,
[44:19] Speaker 4: can you handle the fingernails too? But I don't get
[44:21] Speaker 4: polish on them. And I found out this week, That
[44:25] Speaker 4: makes me a white supremacist. I had no idea the
[44:29] Speaker 4: stakes were that high. I just thought it was because
[44:33] Speaker 4: I'm a busy working mom and I didn't want to
[44:35] Speaker 4: have to deal. So, yeah, no, the BBC would like
[44:39] Speaker 4: you to know that if that's your chosen fashion statement
[44:42] Speaker 4: or just, you know, lack thereof, you're a white supremacist
[44:46] Speaker 4: because black culture originated the long decorative nail and that's you.
[44:55] Speaker 4: eschewing them and judging them, the gals who came up
[44:59] Speaker 4: with this trend. But honestly, Paul, I can't quite keep
[45:03] Speaker 4: track because the other rule is if you go down
[45:07] Speaker 4: to the Caribbean and the lady offers you to braid
[45:11] Speaker 4: your hair or your daughter's hair and a couple of
[45:13] Speaker 4: cornrows for $ 20, you are also a white supremacist if
[45:18] Speaker 4: you say yes.
[45:19] Speaker 9: So I guess.
[45:21] Speaker 4: you cannot take the piece of the culture that has
[45:24] Speaker 4: a braid. But if you don't take the piece of
[45:26] Speaker 4: the culture that has the decorated nails, racist. Anything you do,
[45:32] Speaker 4: you're a racist white supremacist. That's basically what the BBC
[45:35] Speaker 4: wants us to know.
[45:36] Speaker 9: Got it.
[45:37] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[45:38] Speaker 2: Do you think they have meetings about this stuff or
[45:41] Speaker 2: they just take every complaint, treat it seriously and enact
[45:45] Speaker 2: it straight away?
[45:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[45:47] Speaker 4: I mean, most of us are like, where's the Strait
[45:51] Speaker 4: of Hormuz? How do they get, how many millions of
[45:54] Speaker 4: barrels are coming? How are they getting the barrels out
[45:56] Speaker 4: if it's already blocked? And then we're quickly thinking, I
[46:00] Speaker 4: don't give a and I don't want to talk about
[46:01] Speaker 4: this at all. But in any event, that's how most
[46:03] Speaker 4: of us spend our work days in the news rather than,
[46:08] Speaker 4: I'm sure that Whitey has done something deeply offensive today.
[46:12] Speaker 4: Let me scroll the annals of my mind to find
[46:15] Speaker 4: the latest.
[46:16] Speaker 2: There was a big meeting of all the major players
[46:18] Speaker 2: in AI at the White House today.
[46:21] Speaker 4: Well, there's a belief that there should be tremendous self-regulation
[46:24] Speaker 4: and we automatically have regulation with the Department of Justice,
[46:28] Speaker 4: the FBI, all of that.
[46:29] Speaker 2: Trump says nothing to see here, nothing to worry about.
[46:32] Speaker 2: The tech companies can regulate themselves. Is AI going to
[46:35] Speaker 2: be a big thing for voters in the midterms in November?
[46:40] Speaker 4: I think it's on the list. You can add it
[46:42] Speaker 4: as one of the things that people are angry about
[46:44] Speaker 4: and frustrated with Trump on because he's taken this. I mean, clearly,
[46:49] Speaker 4: President Trump has come to the decision that we should
[46:52] Speaker 4: not regulate it, that the U.S. is winning the AI war,
[46:56] Speaker 4: that this is a good thing for us. And he
[46:58] Speaker 4: just wants us to accept that. I mean, he's not
[47:00] Speaker 4: really making the case other than to say, whoever wins
[47:03] Speaker 4: AI wins. He says, I have this saying, whoever wins
[47:07] Speaker 4: AI wins. I'm not sure if we can count that
[47:10] Speaker 4: as a saying. I think it needs to have a
[47:13] Speaker 4: few more words, but whatever. He's not really trying to
[47:17] Speaker 4: convince people. He just keeps saying that. And yet the
[47:21] Speaker 4: other narrative about how it's going to ruin all of
[47:24] Speaker 4: our jobs and our children's hopes of getting jobs and
[47:28] Speaker 4: then also kill us is everywhere. So it would be
[47:32] Speaker 4: nice to have like a robust debate on all of that. Like,
[47:35] Speaker 4: let's have the debate on whether we want our children's
[47:38] Speaker 4: jobs to be taken by AI and whether that is
[47:42] Speaker 4: a realistic outcome that we're staring down right now. Instead,
[47:46] Speaker 4: what President Trump and many Republicans who follow his his signaling,
[47:51] Speaker 4: are trying to do is create it into a red-blue issue.
[47:54] Speaker 4: You know, like, oh, the Democrats are afraid of AI
[47:57] Speaker 4: and want safetyism and to stifle growth. And the Republicans
[48:02] Speaker 4: are the ones who are like, we're going to win.
[48:04] Speaker 4: You know, America's number one. And I just have to say, I,
[48:08] Speaker 4: I'm a registered independent, right, leaning conservative, but independent voter.
[48:13] Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people just like me
[48:16] Speaker 4: just completely reject that framing. That just doesn't work for
[48:20] Speaker 4: me here. This is something that could wipe out the
[48:23] Speaker 4: jobs of Republican children and Democrat children and the lives
[48:28] Speaker 4: of Republican children and Democrat children if what those who
[48:32] Speaker 4: are on the inside fear comes true. So I think
[48:37] Speaker 4: we owe it to the world to have an honest
[48:39] Speaker 4: debate about how likely that is and what we are
[48:42] Speaker 4: doing to to protect ourselves because these machines are already
[48:46] Speaker 4: extremely scarily smart. And I just don't think Trump being like,
[48:52] Speaker 4: whoever wins AI wins is going to do it, especially
[48:54] Speaker 4: because there's also backlash against the data centers, which haven't
[48:58] Speaker 4: been adequately sold to people. So I do think it's
[49:01] Speaker 4: on the list. You know, his core voters, the ones
[49:04] Speaker 4: who loved him, are not happy about Epstein. They're not
[49:06] Speaker 4: happy about the Iran war and the closeness with Israel.
[49:10] Speaker 4: And they are not happy about AI. And all three
[49:13] Speaker 4: of those, he's basically just said, you know, kind of
[49:16] Speaker 4: piss off. It is the way I say it is.
[49:18] Speaker 4: And you can see it in the numbers. People are
[49:21] Speaker 4: not responding well to that.
[49:23] Speaker 2: That's why we can't hide those poll numbers and the
[49:25] Speaker 2: predictions of a major change in American politics. And, of course,
[49:28] Speaker 2: what happens in America matters to the rest of the world.
[49:31] Speaker 2: Hence why we keep an eye on it between now
[49:33] Speaker 2: and the first week of November. Something really crazy has
[49:37] Speaker 2: happened in the world of rugby league. It's never happened before.
[49:39] Speaker 2: It's happened tonight, and you'll find out what it is next.
[49:47] Speaker 2: Penrith's Nathan Cleary has won the Daily M Player of
[49:49] Speaker 2: the Year in rugby league. He wasn't at the venue because,
[49:52] Speaker 2: of course, of his injury, and that means he's the
[49:55] Speaker 2: first person in rugby league history to accept from his couch.
[49:58] Speaker 12: I'd also like to thank my parents and my family.
[50:02] Speaker 12: They've done everything for me. They've sacrificed so much and
[50:06] Speaker 12: put so much time and effort into me growing up.
[50:08] Speaker 12: But now, even in my older years, this whole year,
[50:12] Speaker 12: I've actually been living at home with them because my
[50:15] Speaker 12: house is getting fixed. So they've looked after me well
[50:18] Speaker 12: this year. And, yeah, I can't thank them enough. And
[50:21] Speaker 12: I also want to say a big thank you to
[50:22] Speaker 12: my partner as well. It's tough doing the long distance,
[50:27] Speaker 12: but she always makes me feel supported and loved. And
[50:30] Speaker 12: that's all I could ever ask for.
[50:35] Speaker 1: Sorry for the overtime, guys. Here's the late debate.

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