# Paul Murray Live | 4 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 4 Mar 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/a8645aee-17ec-472a-bfe5-b40300bc1c75/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Over 100,000 Australians are stuck in the Middle East, the Iran crisis threatening oil supply. Plus, the United States strikes Iran for the fourth day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Hello mate, Happy Wednesday night. Come on into the man Cave.
[0:09] Speaker 2: We've got a lot of work to do tonight. We
[0:10] Speaker 2: will go all the way around the globe, but we
[0:12] Speaker 2: focus on the most important country of all, this one
[0:16] Speaker 2: where we have a debate tonight because the next big
[0:19] Speaker 2: war between the unions and bosses is should everyone get
[0:22] Speaker 2: an extra week off work? The case four and against.
[0:25] Speaker 2: We'll get to it all very shortly. There is new
[0:28] Speaker 2: poll numbers that I want to bring you regards to
[0:31] Speaker 2: Victoria and the Victorian election. One nation is making huge
[0:35] Speaker 2: waves and coming off an incredible low number. Wait till
[0:39] Speaker 2: I tell you the new one and its impact on
[0:42] Speaker 2: whether the Allen government will go round again or there
[0:46] Speaker 2: will be a fall that the Libs have to deal
[0:49] Speaker 2: with the reality that a lot of people are going
[0:50] Speaker 2: to vote for one nation. Preferences will definitely matter here.
[0:53] Speaker 2: There is an Aussie drone company or should I say
[0:56] Speaker 2: anti drone company that I want to talk to tonight
[0:59] Speaker 2: because this to be the main weapon of choice when
[1:02] Speaker 2: it comes to Iran Well, an Australian company that is
[1:05] Speaker 2: using Australian technology to blow these things out of the sky.
[1:09] Speaker 1: But we'll talk to the people responsible in.
[1:11] Speaker 2: A moment or two time, and Meghan Kelly will join us,
[1:13] Speaker 2: as she always does on a Wednesday night. She is
[1:15] Speaker 2: not a fan of what is happening in the Middle
[1:17] Speaker 2: East right now.
[1:18] Speaker 3: It is in many ways a betrayal of his campaign promises,
[1:22] Speaker 3: what he sold himself as, and of his magabre base.
[1:26] Speaker 2: All right, as always at the start of the show,
[1:28] Speaker 2: we won't dwell on it because you've heard so much
[1:30] Speaker 2: information all day, but it is the biggest story in
[1:32] Speaker 2: the world. What is the latest when it comes to
[1:34] Speaker 2: the events in the Middle East, Well, Australia starts to
[1:37] Speaker 2: play a part because we're going to get some people home.
[1:41] Speaker 1: In the next ninety minutes or so.
[1:43] Speaker 2: The very first of the Australian emergency flights are going
[1:46] Speaker 2: to make their way in. It'll be Emirates flight EK
[1:49] Speaker 2: four one four. It is due to land at ten thirty.
[1:53] Speaker 2: We will of course have coverage throughout the evening and
[1:55] Speaker 2: all of the reaction from the passengers, no doubt, relief,
[1:58] Speaker 2: relieved to be out of there. Why because as you know,
[2:00] Speaker 2: there are one hundred and fifteen thousand Australians who are
[2:04] Speaker 2: currently stranded in and around the Middle East. Now right now,
[2:10] Speaker 2: there is of course great clamoring for the very few
[2:12] Speaker 2: ways of getting out. There are people who are finding
[2:15] Speaker 2: all sorts of ways, flying via China, trying to find
[2:19] Speaker 2: ways to get back, maybe through Singapore, trying to get
[2:22] Speaker 2: themselves as far away from these Middle Eastern airports, but
[2:25] Speaker 2: of course very difficult to do. He's just some of
[2:28] Speaker 2: those that are trying to make their way back.
[2:31] Speaker 4: I was in Dubai, as supposed to go to Dubai,
[2:33] Speaker 4: but because of the bombing, they cancel everything, so I
[2:39] Speaker 4: had to wait for the next day by another ticket
[2:42] Speaker 4: and do all that. The second plane it was delayed
[2:45] Speaker 4: for three hours as well, so I've been on this
[2:48] Speaker 4: for three days nearly well.
[2:50] Speaker 2: I'm glad that she's back, but obviously are those that
[2:53] Speaker 2: are righting the hard of things. Who knows how long
[2:55] Speaker 2: they are going to be stranded where they currently are,
[2:57] Speaker 2: and obviously we hope that they are all safe and
[2:59] Speaker 2: are all able to get move as fast as possible.
[3:01] Speaker 2: But there's a lot of other things apart from commercial
[3:03] Speaker 2: flights that are currently in the air. It does seem
[3:06] Speaker 2: that people are going to incredible lengths. This was from
[3:08] Speaker 2: the ABC tonight that people are paying ten thousand dollars
[3:11] Speaker 2: on top of everything else they're paid to get a
[3:13] Speaker 2: flight somewhere else. Other people are hiring limousines. Australians that
[3:16] Speaker 2: are stranded oversease have resorted to hiring limos across international
[3:20] Speaker 2: borders and paying thousands of dollars for last minute tickets.
[3:22] Speaker 2: It's the federal government scrambles to coordinate consular response to
[3:27] Speaker 2: the war in the Middle East. More than twenty thousand
[3:30] Speaker 2: flights across those golf transit hubs have been canceled, escalating
[3:35] Speaker 2: of course, what is happening at the moment between the
[3:37] Speaker 2: United States, Israel and Iran shutting down one of the
[3:40] Speaker 2: world's biggest aviation corridors and leaving as you know, tens
[3:43] Speaker 2: of thousands of people that are stranded. Now, there has
[3:47] Speaker 2: been some argument about how much warning people had from
[3:50] Speaker 2: the Australian government. Now I am not one to cut
[3:53] Speaker 2: this government any slack, but let's be clear. If you
[3:56] Speaker 2: had a flight that was going anywhere near the Middle East,
[3:59] Speaker 2: you knew the tensions had been ratcheting up for some time.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Of course, many of those who are caught fingers crossed
[4:05] Speaker 2: that it was going to be a couple of weeks
[4:07] Speaker 2: later or the people who made at home. We're glad
[4:09] Speaker 2: that it didn't happen a couple of weeks earlier. But
[4:12] Speaker 2: of course all of this happened this week because of
[4:14] Speaker 2: that incredible intelligence that has taken out the upper chulans
[4:18] Speaker 2: of leadership in Iran. It had to happen because all
[4:21] Speaker 2: of those people were in one place at one time.
[4:24] Speaker 2: But the opposition is saying that there wasn't enough direct
[4:27] Speaker 2: information about exactly when to leave. Here is the Foreign
[4:30] Speaker 2: Minister defending the announcements. But again, if you travel overseas,
[4:33] Speaker 2: you've got to pay attention not just to the Smart
[4:36] Speaker 2: Traveler website, but to what's going on around you, including
[4:39] Speaker 2: in the news.
[4:39] Speaker 1: That's just the reality.
[4:41] Speaker 5: Really, the opposition needs to get their facts straight. We
[4:45] Speaker 5: have a very strict no double standards policy, a very
[4:47] Speaker 5: strict no double standards policy, which means what is directed
[4:51] Speaker 5: by the Department to their people is what is made public,
[4:55] Speaker 5: and that is what occurred.
[4:56] Speaker 6: That's the first point.
[4:58] Speaker 5: The second point I would make is our directions were
[5:01] Speaker 5: in relation to Israel and Lebanon and some voluntary departures
[5:04] Speaker 5: as well, all of which was made public. Now I
[5:07] Speaker 5: don't think we certainly did not know that Iran was
[5:12] Speaker 5: going to hit ten countries in the region. And you know,
[5:16] Speaker 5: for those who are criticizing, if they think they knew that,
[5:18] Speaker 5: then they probably should have told us.
[5:21] Speaker 1: Number two things you need to know.
[5:22] Speaker 2: The choking of that oil supply in that strait that
[5:25] Speaker 2: I've been talking about for a few days is now complete.
[5:28] Speaker 2: Again we turn to the ABC, but there are commercial
[5:31] Speaker 2: tracking websites which obviously, just like you're able to see
[5:34] Speaker 2: how many planes are in the air, they're able to
[5:35] Speaker 2: have a look at how many ships are in the ocean.
[5:39] Speaker 2: This is from March the first until today. You can
[5:44] Speaker 2: see obviously the series of ships that's.
[5:47] Speaker 1: All the little dots.
[5:48] Speaker 2: Know, you're not looking in a microscope as them cells here,
[5:50] Speaker 2: but you can see the numbers that are trying to
[5:52] Speaker 2: make their way around and then increasingly no one making
[5:55] Speaker 2: their way around the horn of the strait, meaning they're
[5:59] Speaker 2: trying to port somewhere. And as you can see to
[6:02] Speaker 2: the left and the right, a lot of these things
[6:04] Speaker 2: just end up banking up, meaning anyone trying to go
[6:07] Speaker 2: from right to left to pick up oil and gas
[6:09] Speaker 2: can't get in. And anyone on that screen trying to
[6:12] Speaker 2: go from left to right. Well they can't get out.
[6:15] Speaker 2: That means twenty percent of the global oil supply is
[6:18] Speaker 2: cut off as we speak. That means, of course, we're
[6:21] Speaker 2: all going to start paying more for petrol.
[6:24] Speaker 1: I filled up.
[6:24] Speaker 2: Today and yep I certainly noticed. But it is apparently
[6:27] Speaker 2: going to get a whole lot worse in the next week.
[6:30] Speaker 2: And depending on which part of the country you are.
[6:32] Speaker 2: In worst case scenario, this thing could go up by
[6:34] Speaker 2: a dollar. Now, given the way the global oil prices work,
[6:39] Speaker 2: imagine if you're paying close to three dollars a liter
[6:42] Speaker 2: for petrol, well, just like the supply chain issues after COVID,
[6:46] Speaker 2: just like previous issues and wars in the Middle East.
[6:48] Speaker 2: This would mean that this is going to end up
[6:50] Speaker 2: being more of the stable price and there will be
[6:53] Speaker 2: a time when we will be looking back at two
[6:55] Speaker 2: dollars as the dream days when it comes to petrol.
[6:58] Speaker 2: But this is only going to get work before it
[7:00] Speaker 2: gets better, because even if everything started moving, there is
[7:03] Speaker 2: still with just four or five days a week two
[7:06] Speaker 2: weeks that massive disruption. It flows through to the Southeast
[7:09] Speaker 2: Asian countries where Australia get our oil from Number three,
[7:14] Speaker 2: the US is giving us even more and very specific
[7:17] Speaker 2: detail about what they.
[7:18] Speaker 1: Are hitting and how hard they are hitting Iran.
[7:21] Speaker 2: In fact, Central Command is now giving a daily briefing.
[7:24] Speaker 1: For all to see the details.
[7:26] Speaker 2: Worth having a look at here about just how big
[7:29] Speaker 2: a force the US alone. And remember is Israel on
[7:32] Speaker 2: top of this, who are doing incredible things in terms
[7:34] Speaker 2: of intelligence and their ability to strike within Tehran. But
[7:38] Speaker 2: have a listen to the American firepower that's been there
[7:41] Speaker 2: for about a few days.
[7:44] Speaker 7: More than fifty thousand troops, two hundred fighters, two aircraft
[7:48] Speaker 7: carriers and bombers from the United States are participating this operation,
[7:52] Speaker 7: and more capability is on the way. These forces ring
[7:55] Speaker 7: a massive amount of firepower, representing the largest build up
[7:58] Speaker 7: by the US in the Middle least in a generation.
[8:01] Speaker 2: So twenty four hours ago it was one thousand different
[8:04] Speaker 2: targets inside Iran that had been hit. Guess what's happened
[8:07] Speaker 2: in the past twenty four hours.
[8:09] Speaker 7: Since many of you may remember the Shock and Awe
[8:13] Speaker 7: strikes of two thousand and three, the first twenty four
[8:16] Speaker 7: hours of this operation were nearly double the scale, and
[8:19] Speaker 7: we continue with twenty four to seven strikes into Iran
[8:22] Speaker 7: from seabed to space and cyberspace. Now we're less than
[8:26] Speaker 7: one hundred hours into this operation and we've already struck
[8:29] Speaker 7: nearly two thousand targets with more than two thousand munitions.
[8:33] Speaker 7: We have severely degraded Iran's air defenses and destroyed hundreds
[8:38] Speaker 7: of Iran's ballistic missiles, launchers and drones. And in simple terms,
[8:41] Speaker 7: we're focused on shooting all the things that can shoot
[8:44] Speaker 7: at us.
[8:46] Speaker 1: So the Americans with those numbers are showing that they
[8:48] Speaker 1: have doubled the amount of things that they have hit
[8:51] Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours. And again they are
[8:54] Speaker 1: believing that they are starting to win the armristle here.
[8:57] Speaker 1: But that brings me to the next beat. Iran, of course,
[9:00] Speaker 1: continuing to hit back, throwing any and everything that they
[9:02] Speaker 1: have in every possible direction, with no real care about
[9:07] Speaker 1: who and what they are hitting. This is the latest
[9:09] Speaker 1: map from the New York Times. It again focuses in
[9:12] Speaker 1: not just on Israel again, an RAF base in Cyprus,
[9:16] Speaker 1: in Jordan, in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE,
[9:21] Speaker 1: and Oman at least three separate sites there. Again, back
[9:25] Speaker 1: to what the Americans were saying, because they are saying that, yes,
[9:29] Speaker 1: while all of these places are being hit, the speed
[9:33] Speaker 1: with which is starting to back off. Whether that's just
[9:36] Speaker 1: backing off for a day or two, we'll all learn together.
[9:38] Speaker 1: But an important thing to think about when we are
[9:41] Speaker 1: thinking about the arm wrestle between these powers.
[9:45] Speaker 7: Now, in retaliation, the Iranian regime has launched over five
[9:49] Speaker 7: hundred ballistic missiles in over two thousand drones. To be clear,
[9:53] Speaker 7: AARAN is indiscriminately targeting civilians as they've launched these missiles
[9:57] Speaker 7: and drones. You've seen it on TV. The evidence is
[10:00] Speaker 7: crystal clear and overwhelming. Having said this, we are seeing
[10:04] Speaker 7: a Ryan's ability to hit us and our partners is declining,
[10:07] Speaker 7: while our combat power, on the other hand, is building,
[10:11] Speaker 7: and my overall operational assessment is that we are ahead
[10:13] Speaker 7: of our game plan.
[10:15] Speaker 1: This is good news, right, is the beginning of a
[10:17] Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel.
[10:18] Speaker 2: Again, I think it is way too early for people
[10:20] Speaker 2: to be talking about forever wars.
[10:22] Speaker 1: It's only been a few days.
[10:24] Speaker 2: But equally, we are a little bit longer than the
[10:27] Speaker 2: process which took out much of the Iranian nuclear facilities
[10:31] Speaker 2: last year.
[10:32] Speaker 1: But again, I.
[10:33] Speaker 2: Think the President is looking potentially at four weeks. But
[10:36] Speaker 2: if the military officials are saying within a week that
[10:38] Speaker 2: they're starting to achieve their objectives and a run's ability
[10:40] Speaker 2: to fight back is slightly weakening, all good news Again.
[10:44] Speaker 2: A little later in the show, we'll talk to an
[10:46] Speaker 2: Australian company with Australian technology that is using that technology
[10:51] Speaker 2: to knock out drones. How does it work and how
[10:54] Speaker 2: better can it be deployed? Again in a few minutes
[10:56] Speaker 2: we will have a chat with them. Fifth and final
[10:58] Speaker 2: thing on the war before I turn to the domestic
[11:00] Speaker 2: politics of the day, and there is an awful lot
[11:02] Speaker 2: of it to get to, is that the special relationship
[11:05] Speaker 2: between the United Kingdom and the US. Look, it's never over,
[11:07] Speaker 2: but Jesus on Ice at the moment. You may will
[11:10] Speaker 2: have heard the comments that the President of the United
[11:11] Speaker 2: States has had to say about his UK counterpart that,
[11:14] Speaker 2: of course not being head of state, butt of government,
[11:16] Speaker 2: that being the Prime Minister key is stamer put simply
[11:20] Speaker 2: a suggestion from Trump that he is no Churchill. Because
[11:24] Speaker 2: the UK doesn't want to get involved in this. They
[11:27] Speaker 2: will defend the basis that they have, but they will
[11:29] Speaker 2: not get involved in the offense of all of this.
[11:32] Speaker 1: Again, or Trump had to say today.
[11:35] Speaker 8: I want to make clear the UK was not involved
[11:39] Speaker 8: in the offensive straps of the US at Israel. That
[11:43] Speaker 8: remains the case.
[11:44] Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not happy with the UK. This
[11:47] Speaker 1: is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with.
[11:52] Speaker 2: All right, all right, that is the latest when it
[11:54] Speaker 2: comes to everything that's happening. Most importantly, the first round
[11:57] Speaker 2: of Australians they come home. They will be doing so
[11:59] Speaker 2: in again in about an hour fifteen minutes from now.
[12:02] Speaker 2: Hopefully there'll be some coverage of that in the late debate. Otherwise,
[12:05] Speaker 2: most definitely on sky News, dot com, dot auan again
[12:08] Speaker 2: in first edition. Everyone is across everything. It is all
[12:11] Speaker 2: hands on deck. But let's talk about Australia. Our old
[12:15] Speaker 2: mate Jim Charmers, Well, he of course is the man
[12:18] Speaker 2: who is the great observer of the Australian economy. Well,
[12:21] Speaker 2: if you believe one way he presents himself, and anything's bad,
[12:24] Speaker 2: it's because of everyone else. When anything's good, of course
[12:26] Speaker 2: it's him. Now, remember, before a bomb was dropped, we
[12:30] Speaker 2: were facing at least two decades of budget deficits. I've
[12:34] Speaker 2: shown you before the projections from Treasury themselves about forty
[12:37] Speaker 2: years of deficits. I have shown you about the endless
[12:41] Speaker 2: budget blowouts, in part due to the billions of dollars
[12:44] Speaker 2: worth of promises that bribe their way to last year's
[12:47] Speaker 2: election win.
[12:49] Speaker 9: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million
[12:53] Speaker 9: dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollar, three billion dollars,
[12:57] Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty
[13:01] Speaker 9: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
[13:04] Speaker 9: two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,
[13:08] Speaker 9: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point
[13:11] Speaker 9: four billion dollar, two point eight billion dollars two hundred
[13:15] Speaker 9: million dollar, one hundred and fifty million dollars.
[13:18] Speaker 2: And before a shot was fired, Australia's inflation has been
[13:23] Speaker 2: close to, if not the top of comparable nations around
[13:26] Speaker 2: the world. One more time, Australia's latest inflation rates three
[13:30] Speaker 2: point eight percent, New Zealand before a shot was fired,
[13:33] Speaker 2: three point one, the United Kingdom before a shot was fired,
[13:36] Speaker 2: three percent, in the United States before one bomb was
[13:40] Speaker 2: dropped two point four, and Canada two point three. But
[13:44] Speaker 2: of course that leads to problems when it comes to
[13:47] Speaker 2: interest rates.
[13:48] Speaker 1: Before a bomb was dropped. Before a bomb was dropped.
[13:52] Speaker 2: Inflation was starting to tick back up, so much so
[13:56] Speaker 2: that the Reserve Bank put up interest rates last month.
[13:58] Speaker 2: Without a bomb dropper, there was a good chance of
[14:00] Speaker 2: it happening at their next meeting. But of course the government,
[14:05] Speaker 2: well it now has the opportunity to say not our fault.
[14:08] Speaker 2: Despite the fact that they were headed in a direction.
[14:10] Speaker 2: They were already the highest inflation rates compared to significant
[14:14] Speaker 2: countries around the rest.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Of the world.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Get ready, it is all about Iran. That is now
[14:19] Speaker 2: going to be the catch all here. Anything to do
[14:22] Speaker 2: with inflation is to do with Iran. Don't buy it now.
[14:25] Speaker 2: What happens from here is about a ran. And if
[14:27] Speaker 2: three point eight goes to four point five, yeah that's
[14:29] Speaker 2: a run. But what about three point eight that existed
[14:32] Speaker 2: before eight shot was fire it? What about last month
[14:36] Speaker 2: when the interest rates had already started to go up again. Well,
[14:41] Speaker 2: Jim Charmers yet again kissed at a rainbow in his
[14:44] Speaker 2: first budget. It was the revenue that came out of
[14:47] Speaker 2: coming out of the pandemic that carried him through to
[14:50] Speaker 2: his second. The third was starting to return back to
[14:53] Speaker 2: deficit because of their spending.
[14:55] Speaker 1: They were able to bribe their way through an election.
[14:58] Speaker 2: They were able to fiddle with the inflation members with
[15:00] Speaker 2: the payments to households when it comes to power bills.
[15:03] Speaker 1: But now who cares? It's all their fault.
[15:08] Speaker 10: Low unemployment as we have in Australia is a very
[15:11] Speaker 10: good thing, and these are very robust foundations from which
[15:15] Speaker 10: to confront the quite intense global economic uncertainty that we face.
[15:21] Speaker 10: We faced it before developments on the weekend, but particularly
[15:24] Speaker 10: now that hostilities have been dialed up, and that this
[15:28] Speaker 10: is essentially a conflict which is involving all or most
[15:33] Speaker 10: of the region, and so the economic consequences are uncertain,
[15:38] Speaker 10: but they are likely to be very substantial.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Now trying to make the same point that I have,
[15:43] Speaker 2: but I'm not entirely sure as successfully, but still he
[15:46] Speaker 2: was trying to make the point, was Tim Wilson, the
[15:48] Speaker 2: Shadow Treasurer, who decided to go a little Billy Joel
[15:51] Speaker 2: in the Parliament today to make his point.
[15:54] Speaker 11: Do do do.
[15:54] Speaker 1: Do do do do?
[15:56] Speaker 12: The Treasurer did start the inflation fire.
[16:00] Speaker 11: Fati's burning while the treasure is squirming. The Treasurer did
[16:04] Speaker 11: sited patient fire.
[16:06] Speaker 9: Yes, it gotline and it has to organized crime to
[16:09] Speaker 9: fuel it.
[16:12] Speaker 1: This is unparliamentary.
[16:15] Speaker 2: Fun at least all right, now, let's get to this
[16:18] Speaker 2: new polling which is an absolute doozy about the Victorian
[16:21] Speaker 2: election on its way in November. De Cinder Allen and
[16:25] Speaker 2: the Labor Party do not deserve another four years in
[16:27] Speaker 2: government to continue the bushfire that they have committed on
[16:32] Speaker 2: the good people of Victoria. They do not deserve because
[16:35] Speaker 2: of course their lack of willing to chat at all
[16:37] Speaker 2: about significant issues like the CFMAU and the big build,
[16:41] Speaker 2: not to mention, not to mention, not to mention, all
[16:43] Speaker 2: of the many other reasons that we have made very
[16:45] Speaker 2: clear in the past. So what's the latest opinion poll
[16:48] Speaker 2: when it comes to Victoria. Well, this one again comes
[16:50] Speaker 2: around mates at Redbridge, Cos Samaris and the pole that
[16:54] Speaker 2: has been just released in the Australian Financial Review. It
[16:57] Speaker 2: shows one nation doing very well, but it shows a
[17:00] Speaker 2: Labor Party down now not down from the election, down
[17:03] Speaker 2: from the pole of the end of last year, down
[17:05] Speaker 2: to twenty five percent primary. That should be terminal for them,
[17:11] Speaker 2: But the Greens and the other vote well again that's
[17:13] Speaker 2: what starts to push them a little bit closer towards
[17:16] Speaker 2: the forty the Liberal Party is down twelve points since December.
[17:21] Speaker 2: Where's it all gone? It's all gone to one nation,
[17:24] Speaker 2: so as you can see the other the labor vote
[17:27] Speaker 2: has all gone into one nation. They were at zero
[17:30] Speaker 2: percent in the December pole one percent the month earlier,
[17:33] Speaker 2: so they have made a full virtual quarter of the
[17:36] Speaker 2: electorate over summer. This is without any high profile candidates,
[17:41] Speaker 2: without any high profile leader, unlike what's happening in South
[17:45] Speaker 2: Australia with Corey Bernardi. I know they do have a
[17:47] Speaker 2: member of the Upper House in Victorious. I'm not being
[17:50] Speaker 2: disrespectful to her, but fascinating to see.
[17:54] Speaker 1: So what are the Liberal Party going to do here now? Again?
[17:57] Speaker 2: They think that they can wave a magic wand and
[17:59] Speaker 2: all the one nation voters were just magically fall back
[18:01] Speaker 2: to the Liberal Party, or if one nation voters have
[18:05] Speaker 2: to put a second, they want everyone to vote for
[18:07] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. But we know that there are plenty
[18:09] Speaker 2: of people inside the Liberal Party who do not believe
[18:11] Speaker 2: that if they finish second to one nation, that people
[18:13] Speaker 2: should preference one nation. We know this because today the
[18:17] Speaker 2: lady on your screen who's made it clear that they
[18:20] Speaker 2: are ruling out preference deals when it comes to one nation. Now,
[18:24] Speaker 2: I get how progressive parts.
[18:26] Speaker 1: Of Victoria are.
[18:27] Speaker 2: I get the battering ram that the political machine of
[18:30] Speaker 2: the Labor Party will try to put in place. But
[18:33] Speaker 2: preferences matter now right now. If it ends up that
[18:37] Speaker 2: the coalition finishes a second and they end up sending
[18:40] Speaker 2: their preferences to the Libs, well we'd end up with
[18:44] Speaker 2: the Libs winning the election fifty two to forty eight.
[18:50] Speaker 2: But if one nation ends up defeating the Libs and
[18:52] Speaker 2: about a third of Libs do what they say in
[18:54] Speaker 2: every other poll, which is they prefer a teal or
[18:56] Speaker 2: Labor over one nation, what's wrong with you people? What's
[19:00] Speaker 2: wrong with you? Labor of course would win and virtually
[19:03] Speaker 2: maintain their control. However, signs of hope here and again
[19:07] Speaker 2: a message to people. If you want to change a government,
[19:10] Speaker 2: do not find a way to preference the current government
[19:13] Speaker 2: back to government.
[19:15] Speaker 1: Okay.
[19:16] Speaker 2: Sixty five percent of people in the survey in the
[19:19] Speaker 2: red Bridge survey said in Victoria that they were headed
[19:22] Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. This was fifty five percent of
[19:25] Speaker 2: people who think the country's headed in the wrong direction.
[19:27] Speaker 2: So Victorians, No, Victoria is doing worse than the rest
[19:30] Speaker 2: of the country, of which a majority of people say
[19:32] Speaker 2: it is going in the wrong direction. Worrying for Jess Wilson, though,
[19:37] Speaker 2: is just Wilson and the Coalition have done enough to
[19:41] Speaker 2: deserve to.
[19:42] Speaker 1: Win at the next election.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Just twenty seven percent of people agree with that principle
[19:45] Speaker 2: the Allen government and Labour has the right priorities for Victoria.
[19:48] Speaker 1: Just twenty five percent of people believe that there is
[19:51] Speaker 1: a long.
[19:51] Speaker 2: Way to run, a lot of muck to come, a
[19:54] Speaker 2: lot of dirt, a lot of garbage. But we will
[19:57] Speaker 2: all find out together what is going to happen. Now
[20:00] Speaker 2: back to some Australian technology I wanted to talk to
[20:02] Speaker 2: you about because I am fascinated by the deployment of drones.
[20:07] Speaker 1: We've seen this in Ukraine.
[20:09] Speaker 2: We've seen this to great success on the behalf of
[20:11] Speaker 2: Ukraine and the great destruction at times on the behalf
[20:15] Speaker 2: of Russia using such technology. One of the things that
[20:18] Speaker 2: Iran has a lot more of than missiles is drones
[20:24] Speaker 2: because they are smaller and because you can send ten
[20:26] Speaker 2: in one direction. Obviously, when you fire a missile to
[20:29] Speaker 2: take out a missile, it's a one for one contact.
[20:33] Speaker 2: When it's drones, it could end up being you know, five, ten,
[20:36] Speaker 2: to one and obviously if you knock one out, you're
[20:38] Speaker 2: not going to knock all out. Well, there is again
[20:42] Speaker 2: some Australian technology which is about taking out those drones.
[20:46] Speaker 2: The person who is responsible for it is the company EOS,
[20:50] Speaker 2: which is electro Optic Systems, and Andreas Schweer joins us
[20:54] Speaker 2: now he is their CEO. Nice to see Andreas, Thank
[20:57] Speaker 2: you very much for the chat. Put simply, the growthing
[21:01] Speaker 2: drones in modern warfare is a phenomenal issue and we
[21:05] Speaker 2: are seeing that playing out across the Middle East right now,
[21:09] Speaker 2: aren't we.
[21:10] Speaker 13: Yes, the war has changed dramatically towards asymatic warfare. If
[21:15] Speaker 13: you look to Ukraine, drones and loitering ammunition have almost
[21:18] Speaker 13: stopped any open action on ground. Any movement is triggering
[21:22] Speaker 13: a Kamikasi attack by a drone. So the average lifetime
[21:25] Speaker 13: of an armored vehicle in open field is going down
[21:28] Speaker 13: to only three days. An attacker with thousands of cheap
[21:32] Speaker 13: drones can defeat a complete army of billions of dollars
[21:35] Speaker 13: in asset value and attacks, as you were mentioning by
[21:38] Speaker 13: large swarms of drones are causing an oversaturation of airspace
[21:42] Speaker 13: and the defense forces are unable to shoot them all
[21:45] Speaker 13: down within a few seconds. Consequently, the critical infrastructure for
[21:49] Speaker 13: example a power.
[21:50] Speaker 1: Station gets destroyed.
[21:52] Speaker 13: And here the laser weapon comes into play as the
[21:55] Speaker 13: laser weapon is the only weapon which can kill up
[21:57] Speaker 13: to thirty drones per minute. That is six times more
[22:00] Speaker 13: than any other weapons system can do. And laser weapons
[22:04] Speaker 13: do this for only ten dollars per shot compared to rockets,
[22:07] Speaker 13: sor missiles which costs it been five hundred thousands and
[22:10] Speaker 13: several millions of dollars per unit. So the laser webmin
[22:13] Speaker 13: is read a game changer in any modern conflict.
[22:16] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[22:16] Speaker 2: Look, I know you're talking your book, but I'm happy
[22:18] Speaker 2: to hear that because it might be the next level
[22:21] Speaker 2: of what we have to deal with here. So give
[22:23] Speaker 2: me an idea about what is the Australian input into this,
[22:27] Speaker 2: What is the Australian technology, How does it stand out
[22:30] Speaker 2: from other ways of taking on drones.
[22:35] Speaker 13: So EOS is one of the very few companies work
[22:39] Speaker 13: by being able to offer one hundred killer WHAT laser
[22:41] Speaker 13: weapons to the market, We've been the first company selling
[22:44] Speaker 13: at all one hundred killer WHAT laser weapon to an
[22:46] Speaker 13: international client. In the middle of twenty twenty five. How
[22:50] Speaker 13: does the laser weapon work? I mean a high energy
[22:52] Speaker 13: laser weapon is putting an incredible amount of energy on
[22:56] Speaker 13: a drone, burning a hole through its structure, causing an explosion,
[23:00] Speaker 13: case of onboard fuel, or the destruction of the drawn
[23:04] Speaker 13: because of electronics. Have you onyx or any other important
[23:07] Speaker 13: component as they're becoming dysfunctional because of the hit, and
[23:11] Speaker 13: then obviously the mission comes to a board.
[23:14] Speaker 2: We're seeing the gear here in the video that you've
[23:18] Speaker 2: provided us. Is it always connected to a pre existing
[23:23] Speaker 2: piece of infrastructure like a tank? Does it need to
[23:27] Speaker 2: be fixed? Is there a mobile version of it? Are
[23:31] Speaker 2: there many versions that you make? Or the product needs
[23:35] Speaker 2: to be based somewhere permanently and like a spotlight, you
[23:40] Speaker 2: move it around.
[23:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[23:42] Speaker 13: Usually it comes in a standard Asocontaina, which is carried
[23:45] Speaker 13: on the backside of a military truck. And they can
[23:48] Speaker 13: be operated by being on the truck, or they can
[23:50] Speaker 13: be dismounted sitting next to a critical infrastructure which they
[23:54] Speaker 13: have to protect. An STDSA can stay twenty four seven
[23:57] Speaker 13: in an active mood and can even down the drawns
[24:01] Speaker 13: in a fully automated mood. They are very easy to
[24:03] Speaker 13: be deployed and operated, and it is allowing for the
[24:06] Speaker 13: fastest possible reaction time.
[24:09] Speaker 1: Wow.
[24:09] Speaker 2: So in terms of and again whether we're getting into
[24:11] Speaker 2: the proprietary stuff, I apologize, but I got to ask
[24:15] Speaker 2: how many shots can it let off? Does it require
[24:18] Speaker 2: new power sources every hour? Give us an idea about
[24:22] Speaker 2: It's about how many shots it could take if it
[24:26] Speaker 2: needed to when there are literally thousands that have been
[24:29] Speaker 2: coming in this case four days.
[24:32] Speaker 13: A good thing is it has an infinite ammunition supply,
[24:36] Speaker 13: so we have no problems with logistics of any kind
[24:38] Speaker 13: of ammunition because the ammunition is the energy. It's the
[24:41] Speaker 13: power and the power the least is generating by itself.
[24:44] Speaker 13: So we have an onboard power generator which allows you
[24:46] Speaker 13: to really operate the lease of twenty four to seven
[24:49] Speaker 13: without stopping it.
[24:50] Speaker 1: So it's infinite.
[24:52] Speaker 2: So is Australia buying much of this stuff? I know
[24:54] Speaker 2: you've got NATO countries that are on board with it.
[24:56] Speaker 2: Is Australia buying this stuff because we might need it
[25:01] Speaker 2: one day?
[25:02] Speaker 1: So it's coming.
[25:04] Speaker 13: With the land one Phase six program, the Commonwealth has
[25:07] Speaker 13: entrusted the team around leaders and our company EOS with
[25:10] Speaker 13: a task to provide integrated anti drawn systems to the country.
[25:14] Speaker 13: The program has a taught a budget of one point
[25:17] Speaker 13: three billion dollars and the optimistic that the deployment of
[25:20] Speaker 13: the first systems will start the soonest. So I think
[25:23] Speaker 13: it's a quite adequate approach.
[25:25] Speaker 1: All right.
[25:26] Speaker 2: I really appreciated Andreas fascinating technology. Interesting to know the
[25:29] Speaker 2: Australian connection. Thank you for talking to us tonight, mate.
[25:32] Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. What about
[25:34] Speaker 1: that the idea of infinite ammunition?
[25:37] Speaker 2: All right, the power source this seems to be exactly
[25:40] Speaker 2: what needs to be deployed. Obviously, I'm just a blog
[25:43] Speaker 2: talking on Telly in Australia. You'd have to hope that
[25:45] Speaker 2: the military powers that be that had to anticipate the
[25:49] Speaker 2: countries like Iran are going to be able to produce
[25:52] Speaker 2: a lot more of these smaller, cheaper things essentially make
[25:55] Speaker 2: them into floating bombs. Well, I hope that technology which
[25:58] Speaker 2: is being deployed also at a laser to missile level.
[26:03] Speaker 2: I know in Israel that that in part is how
[26:05] Speaker 2: they're shooting things out of the sky. But you can
[26:07] Speaker 2: imagine companies like his and many others will be very
[26:10] Speaker 2: busy for a little while to come. All right, quick
[26:12] Speaker 2: break back with more more about the greatest country in
[26:14] Speaker 2: the world and what is happening around the rest of
[26:16] Speaker 2: the planet. Next here on Palmurray Life. Thanks for watching
[26:18] Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly before we're done tonight. Thank you so much.
[26:26] Speaker 2: They're all in the man cave. Stephen Conroy taking a
[26:29] Speaker 2: week off. He just that the heat is too hot
[26:31] Speaker 2: in the Lucy's Eliche kitchen. So he's just got no,
[26:34] Speaker 2: I'm taking it away. The man who's willing to take
[26:36] Speaker 2: it on though, he's got, you know, a Kevlar apron
[26:39] Speaker 2: on underneath his shirt is tarrified.
[26:44] Speaker 8: We're good to go.
[26:46] Speaker 2: Excellent, all right now, obviously war and all the rest
[26:49] Speaker 2: of it. But I'm interested in the next little industrial
[26:52] Speaker 2: battle which might be happening in Australia, which is unions
[26:55] Speaker 2: want the standard four weeks holiday to become five weeks holiday.
[26:59] Speaker 2: Business is saying, if you do this, it's obviously a
[27:02] Speaker 2: greater expanse, a greater complication and potential job losses.
[27:06] Speaker 1: Now I'm all in on small business.
[27:07] Speaker 2: I'm all in on the understanding of its implication on
[27:10] Speaker 2: small business. But there's the butt. I don't hate the idea.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Now if there is. I'm sorry, Liz. If there is
[27:18] Speaker 2: a productivity conversation, if there is something that says you're
[27:23] Speaker 2: working a bit more here, well then maybe there's time
[27:25] Speaker 2: somewhere else. I know I'm breaking your heart loose here,
[27:27] Speaker 2: but to me, the idea of normal people getting a
[27:31] Speaker 2: little bit more time with their families. I don't think
[27:34] Speaker 2: that anyone's going to fight it, but I know the
[27:36] Speaker 2: case is there.
[27:37] Speaker 12: What's your thoughts, Oh, my thoughts are I disagree with
[27:40] Speaker 12: it entirely. It's already very challenging as a business owner,
[27:44] Speaker 12: and it varies of course from state to territory to
[27:47] Speaker 12: own a business, to have to follow all of the
[27:49] Speaker 12: regulations that are in place. I mean when it comes
[27:51] Speaker 12: to the unions, I just feel like they're really doing
[27:54] Speaker 12: a very good job of living to that anarchist kind
[27:56] Speaker 12: of you know, cosplay there because for me, first it
[28:00] Speaker 12: started off as being okay, we want a four day week.
[28:03] Speaker 12: Now it's turned into the ACTU secretary saying that, you know,
[28:06] Speaker 12: well we've got to look at what the majority of
[28:08] Speaker 12: European countries are doing, and their productivity is great. Well,
[28:11] Speaker 12: I'd love to know sal Dahl if I can ask,
[28:13] Speaker 12: where did you get your data from because according to
[28:15] Speaker 12: the OECD charts and including some of the actual you know,
[28:19] Speaker 12: G seven countries like France and Germany, their productivity is
[28:23] Speaker 12: pretty low. So don't speak two facts that obviously are
[28:27] Speaker 12: working towards your narrative, that don't actually substantiate your cause.
[28:31] Speaker 12: So I worry too much about the impositions that we're
[28:34] Speaker 12: already putting on existing businesses, industrial relations laws. You know,
[28:38] Speaker 12: we've got to pay you over time. It's too much
[28:41] Speaker 12: red tape as.
[28:42] Speaker 2: It is poorly and as we've talked about before, and
[28:44] Speaker 2: you should have said, I was looking over and making
[28:46] Speaker 2: my poor and I'm seeing Lucy's heartbreak as I was.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Making this very point. Don't worry. I'll get her back
[28:50] Speaker 1: in the next topic. I'll put it all back together.
[28:52] Speaker 1: But Darren, I can.
[28:55] Speaker 8: See polls plans too advance.
[28:58] Speaker 2: I can see what other unions are trying to do
[29:01] Speaker 2: with the three day week, which is that it's about
[29:03] Speaker 2: creating an extra day of penalty rates.
[29:05] Speaker 1: Frankly, I can see what they're trying to do there.
[29:07] Speaker 2: But in terms of annual leave, again, the entitlement doesn't
[29:11] Speaker 2: mean everyone takes it.
[29:12] Speaker 1: There are plenty of people who will and the.
[29:14] Speaker 12: Data showing that they're not actually running their annual leave
[29:17] Speaker 12: down either.
[29:18] Speaker 2: Paul correct, So maybe again it's a little extra cushion
[29:20] Speaker 2: when somebody loses their job.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Again.
[29:23] Speaker 2: I just think the automatic, reflexive hard no is something
[29:27] Speaker 2: that maybe I'm just going to pause on this one,
[29:30] Speaker 2: maybe just once.
[29:31] Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think the motivation behind it is right,
[29:34] Speaker 8: but I think the reality might be reflective of what
[29:37] Speaker 8: an AI society looks like. We're going to see a
[29:40] Speaker 8: lot of jobs disappear in the next decade, and it's
[29:43] Speaker 8: going to be a little bit of white collar so accounting,
[29:46] Speaker 8: book keeping, junior lawyers and the type, plus lots of
[29:50] Speaker 8: blue collar jobs, lots of robotics, lots of AI is
[29:54] Speaker 8: going to reduce the amount of person power required. Going
[30:00] Speaker 8: to have to adjust as a society, and it may
[30:03] Speaker 8: be that we adjust by working fewer days a week
[30:06] Speaker 8: or having more holidays, and it may be that we
[30:09] Speaker 8: have to share around that lesser amount of work that's
[30:13] Speaker 8: available overall. So I say, I don't think. I don't
[30:16] Speaker 8: think it's that's not a motivation.
[30:17] Speaker 1: For the push more work for less money.
[30:21] Speaker 8: We are not going to recognize today's workplaces. It's already on.
[30:25] Speaker 12: But again, are people going to be prepared if you
[30:28] Speaker 12: want to go on with this logic, they're going to
[30:30] Speaker 12: be prepared. But yeah, to cut your pay over this issue,
[30:33] Speaker 12: and let me tell you something.
[30:35] Speaker 8: The answer is yes, And I don't think it will
[30:37] Speaker 8: be a choice. I think it'll be foisted upon it.
[30:40] Speaker 2: Say more money for less work. Isn't that their whole perspective?
[30:43] Speaker 8: They're not going to I don't agree with the motivation,
[30:45] Speaker 8: but I think the reality I don't think there's going
[30:47] Speaker 8: to be the number of work person hours available in
[30:51] Speaker 8: a decade's time. I really don't.
[30:53] Speaker 2: Again, I keep thinking about, like again, I love the office,
[30:57] Speaker 2: love the office environment. Obviously you know there's the man
[31:00] Speaker 2: is in a secret location, but it's you know, not
[31:03] Speaker 2: my backyard.
[31:04] Speaker 1: Right.
[31:04] Speaker 2: So I like coming into work, right, I like coming
[31:07] Speaker 2: into work. I always have been a creature, but I
[31:09] Speaker 2: always think about work from home.
[31:11] Speaker 1: Is that?
[31:11] Speaker 2: Look, I think the most most people don't like their
[31:14] Speaker 2: job loss, right, So when people turn around and say,
[31:17] Speaker 2: here's a way to keep your job without having to
[31:20] Speaker 2: go and talk to all those people that you don't like,
[31:22] Speaker 2: that's why these things become so popular.
[31:25] Speaker 11: Can I be a bit crass? Can we sack up
[31:27] Speaker 11: a bit matey?
[31:29] Speaker 1: Really?
[31:29] Speaker 11: Come on, man, go on a bit soft on me tonight, because.
[31:33] Speaker 8: You know the real.
[31:43] Speaker 1: I mean, throw everyone off.
[31:49] Speaker 12: I just and I know it's apologies mum. I know
[31:51] Speaker 12: it's a pretty crash term. But we are living in
[31:53] Speaker 12: a generation. As a psychoanalyst Erica Commissa, who I worship
[31:57] Speaker 12: by the way, has said, we're raising a generation of
[31:59] Speaker 12: pussies who really are exploring every avenue possible to do less,
[32:04] Speaker 12: to earn more, and to have less responsibility.
[32:06] Speaker 11: Well, wake up.
[32:07] Speaker 12: If you want to create success, if you want to
[32:09] Speaker 12: have a good life and balance that with family, etc.
[32:12] Speaker 12: That is on you. That is up to you. Success
[32:15] Speaker 12: is a choice. The work that we do is a choice.
[32:17] Speaker 12: And if you don't like your job and you're not
[32:19] Speaker 12: happy with the life that you're living, then I encourage
[32:21] Speaker 12: you to explore other avenues. That is the beauty of
[32:23] Speaker 12: being the master of your domain. Unfortunately, we live in
[32:26] Speaker 12: an economic climate now that is not rewarding hard work.
[32:29] Speaker 11: We've got people who.
[32:30] Speaker 12: Are taking up multiple jobs just to make ends meet
[32:32] Speaker 12: and feeling like even if I am being afforded that
[32:35] Speaker 12: time off, it's going to be used working that second job.
[32:39] Speaker 11: So I just think.
[32:40] Speaker 12: We've kind of got to get over this little hump
[32:42] Speaker 12: of looking at all the external factors as to why
[32:45] Speaker 12: we're not living a good life and focus on the
[32:47] Speaker 12: government of the day that's contributing to the reasons that
[32:50] Speaker 12: we're not.
[32:50] Speaker 1: Just hear those cheers around the country. It is cheers
[32:53] Speaker 1: around them.
[32:53] Speaker 11: I think it's just a common sense.
[32:55] Speaker 2: I like locker room talk and Seinfeld references in the
[32:58] Speaker 2: one answer, We've got it done, well done, all right.
[32:59] Speaker 2: Now Augus Taylor in the hot seat. We've seen him
[33:03] Speaker 2: obviously this week stepping up as the opposition leader. Yes
[33:07] Speaker 2: there's a bit more up and go, but that's a
[33:08] Speaker 2: whole bunch of new people on the front bench that
[33:11] Speaker 2: are part of the up and go. They've decided to
[33:13] Speaker 2: stick on isis Brides for multiple days. I think that
[33:16] Speaker 2: Australian's concerned about isis Brides is still a one but
[33:19] Speaker 2: clearly also the attention span that comes from things has
[33:23] Speaker 2: been totally reversed by what's happened when it comes to
[33:26] Speaker 2: the war.
[33:28] Speaker 8: I think that's the story is not isis Brides now,
[33:32] Speaker 8: the story is the war in Iran.
[33:33] Speaker 1: Well cores stop, but also isn't the story.
[33:37] Speaker 2: The opposition perhaps not doing the Billy Joel impersonation, but
[33:40] Speaker 2: the opposition side Jim Charmers, is going to pretend that
[33:45] Speaker 2: everything he has screwed up that has started to see
[33:47] Speaker 2: inflation high than all those countries I mentioned before that
[33:51] Speaker 2: interest rates went up before row bomb was dropped. He's
[33:53] Speaker 2: all going to pretend that magically all of this had
[33:55] Speaker 2: something to do with Iran. Will everything from Saturday have
[34:00] Speaker 2: to do with the Runt? Yes, but I think the
[34:02] Speaker 2: opposition should be cooking in as hard as possible to
[34:05] Speaker 2: the idea that it's not a get out of jar
[34:07] Speaker 2: free for a bad treasure and a bad gun.
[34:10] Speaker 11: I couldn't agree more.
[34:11] Speaker 12: I mean, I'd be interested to hear joel counter argument
[34:13] Speaker 12: is to it all, Darren. But the thing that frustrated
[34:16] Speaker 12: me the most was that it was quite clear, and
[34:18] Speaker 12: there was an article in The Australian about it where
[34:20] Speaker 12: they came in with the set theme, where they had
[34:22] Speaker 12: set questions that they were prepared to ask and today,
[34:25] Speaker 12: and they prepared them too far in advance, because, of
[34:27] Speaker 12: course today we had the annual GDP growth figures which showed.
[34:30] Speaker 11: That they were up.
[34:31] Speaker 12: So of course, in the face of everything in spite
[34:34] Speaker 12: of the fact that inflation is up and that we're
[34:35] Speaker 12: expecting another a rate hike again with interest rates. That
[34:39] Speaker 12: became the one thing that spin Jim Chalmers could hone
[34:42] Speaker 12: in on and then weaponize against the coalition when they
[34:45] Speaker 12: came in and asked the same question three times, when
[34:50] Speaker 12: is the Albanesi government going.
[34:51] Speaker 11: To accept that the buck stops with him?
[34:54] Speaker 12: Okay, fine, but you have to know now, in the
[34:56] Speaker 12: dirty game of politics, that they're going to spin the one.
[34:59] Speaker 11: Positive thing and use that and blow it up. We
[35:01] Speaker 11: all understand that. But there was also a theme.
[35:04] Speaker 12: They recognize that Tim Wilson, for all of his bad singing,
[35:07] Speaker 12: is a threat.
[35:08] Speaker 1: He is.
[35:09] Speaker 12: He's a dog with both equal parts bark and bite.
[35:13] Speaker 12: So they came in on Tuesday specifically, and I wrote
[35:16] Speaker 12: a column about this.
[35:17] Speaker 11: You had the likes of Tanya Plebisec and Catherine kim.
[35:21] Speaker 12: King during question time trying to paint him out to
[35:23] Speaker 12: be this sexist, misogynist whose anti family.
[35:27] Speaker 1: Can I keep many other country going backwards?
[35:29] Speaker 12: Come on, but can I tell you who the woman
[35:32] Speaker 12: hating family hating party are? The Labor Party, the party
[35:36] Speaker 12: who was suggesting that the only way that you can
[35:38] Speaker 12: raise children in these countries if you dump them with
[35:40] Speaker 12: strangers in childcares, many of whom are neglectful and sexually
[35:42] Speaker 12: abusing these poor kids. And not only that, if you
[35:45] Speaker 12: ask them to define what a woman is, they're going
[35:47] Speaker 12: to start squirming in their chair.
[35:49] Speaker 11: So spare me this rhetoric.
[35:51] Speaker 12: That know, the Coalition only came in one theme with
[35:54] Speaker 12: one theme because the Labor Party were doing it too.
[35:56] Speaker 11: It's just that because they're the new.
[35:58] Speaker 12: Kids on the block, we're expecting all from them because
[36:00] Speaker 12: they need to prosecute a very woeful government.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Obviously, I've just got a drop in here and we're
[36:05] Speaker 2: talking about the sector. We're talking about the criminal matters
[36:09] Speaker 2: that are currently before the court and obviously those small
[36:12] Speaker 2: in number but still deep in impact.
[36:14] Speaker 1: For obvious reasons, I just thank you an extra point.
[36:17] Speaker 8: The Australian people voted on who was more family friendly.
[36:20] Speaker 8: The party that wanted to make everyone stop working from
[36:24] Speaker 8: home and then give you fourteen bucks a week in
[36:26] Speaker 8: bedrol money in return.
[36:27] Speaker 1: So you think, don't you think of five.
[36:31] Speaker 2: Family the policy that everyone want.
[36:38] Speaker 8: You get up and you get the story out to everyone.
[36:41] Speaker 8: You congratulate the Commonwealth Bank and Harvey Norman who were
[36:44] Speaker 8: in there, say, you guys are the ones that we trust.
[36:46] Speaker 8: This is what that is. That's how it was that
[36:53] Speaker 8: and they did nothing to ameliate. And the problem for
[36:57] Speaker 8: is that to win his seat, the policy says that
[37:00] Speaker 8: he has to sell there will not get you government.
[37:03] Speaker 8: So I like Tim Mills. I've said it before that
[37:05] Speaker 8: I think he's very capable, he's intelligent, he tells a
[37:08] Speaker 8: good story, and he gives a sharp line.
[37:10] Speaker 12: But no, but if you cut through all of the nonsense,
[37:13] Speaker 12: I'll tell you this, labor don't care if you're a
[37:15] Speaker 12: male or a female. They don't care about the distinction
[37:17] Speaker 12: between the two roles. And the fact that they tried
[37:20] Speaker 12: to weaponize quotes that Tim Wilson had used about the
[37:23] Speaker 12: fact that yes, actually childcare really traditionally does fall to women.
[37:27] Speaker 12: And I can't I can't explain away genetics. We tried
[37:30] Speaker 12: to weaponize this against.
[37:33] Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone there if a liberal party had
[37:35] Speaker 1: done so.
[37:36] Speaker 2: They did a gay labor man, what do you reckon?
[37:38] Speaker 2: The play would have been about what do they really say?
[37:41] Speaker 8: Of course, this is the part I think what's interesting inflation.
[37:47] Speaker 8: If the war continues for a while, inflation will go
[37:49] Speaker 8: up because petrol prices will go up. It's just a
[37:52] Speaker 8: biproblem bit of a prolonged war. Who wins the battle
[37:55] Speaker 8: over whose fault that is? That's the economic wellment that matters.
[37:59] Speaker 12: That's true, And who's going to be able to successfully
[38:02] Speaker 12: prosecute it? Is it going to be Angus Taylor and
[38:05] Speaker 12: his new kids on the block on this front bench
[38:07] Speaker 12: because what we.
[38:07] Speaker 11: Saw from the frost, well we're going to find out.
[38:09] Speaker 11: Time will tell.
[38:10] Speaker 12: But Chris Bowen was so embarrassingly bad in question time
[38:14] Speaker 12: when Barnaby Joyce asked him about what we've got in
[38:16] Speaker 12: our fuel reserves and then he was goaded into having
[38:19] Speaker 12: to bullied actually into having to after a point of
[38:23] Speaker 12: order to admit that well, actually some of it is
[38:25] Speaker 12: offshore and it's not all here.
[38:27] Speaker 8: After a limit that all disappeared when we got rid
[38:32] Speaker 8: of refineries between two thousand and twenty fifteen.
[38:35] Speaker 11: Of course, yes, but an in the game of exactly exactly.
[38:45] Speaker 2: Like that's the thing that that having to defend every
[38:48] Speaker 2: bad decision is in part why there is such a
[38:51] Speaker 2: large with it somewhere else right in the US.
[38:54] Speaker 12: All right, but don't be and come in and have
[38:58] Speaker 12: in Texas and then we find out.
[39:01] Speaker 1: Some of your stuff.
[39:03] Speaker 8: I want to nonsense.
[39:04] Speaker 11: All right, where's Paul? I want him back?
[39:06] Speaker 2: We got We've got Meghan in a moment at thirty seconds.
[39:09] Speaker 2: Dennis Committee, the fabulous football commentator largely FI than the
[39:12] Speaker 2: seven network, has passed away.
[39:14] Speaker 1: You had an experience with him.
[39:15] Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, such a beautiful man, a world class
[39:18] Speaker 12: commentator and an even bigger giant of a human being, both.
[39:23] Speaker 11: In real life.
[39:25] Speaker 12: You know, when you actually met him, he was such
[39:26] Speaker 12: an imposing character, very tall, incredible. But I'd won an award,
[39:29] Speaker 12: and it's the story is not about this, but in
[39:31] Speaker 12: the actual speech that I gave, I said, you know,
[39:33] Speaker 12: don't feel sorry for me, because I had an f
[39:35] Speaker 12: in great time. And he came to congratulate me afterwards,
[39:39] Speaker 12: and he said, in his classy way, elegant way that
[39:41] Speaker 12: he did, he said, I loved everything that you said
[39:43] Speaker 12: up until you swore, and then he just slunk off
[39:46] Speaker 12: elogantly as he did. He was a beautiful man, and
[39:48] Speaker 12: it's a great loss to broadcast and to sport more broadly.
[39:51] Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, really appreciate it. I very much appreciate it.
[39:54] Speaker 2: Again, Plenty people come up to me outown to I
[39:56] Speaker 2: love everything about you, Paul, but sometimes you swear.
[39:58] Speaker 1: Of course, we apologize. That is the rough and.
[40:00] Speaker 2: Tumble kids that we are, all right, Meghan Kelly joins
[40:02] Speaker 2: a straight out from the break, don go anywhere, our
[40:10] Speaker 2: favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite
[40:11] Speaker 2: person in the world, Meghan Kelly. There is so much happening.
[40:14] Speaker 2: Thank you for giving us a bit of your time,
[40:16] Speaker 2: because wow, ten minutes after this conversation, something completely.
[40:20] Speaker 1: Different will happen. But here we go again.
[40:23] Speaker 2: I noticed on your show today you were pointing to
[40:26] Speaker 2: very patchy public support for.
[40:28] Speaker 1: What is happening right now in Iran.
[40:30] Speaker 2: We all know why it's good to get rid of
[40:32] Speaker 2: the Ayatola, we all know why they're an awful regime.
[40:35] Speaker 2: But give us an idea about public support about the
[40:39] Speaker 2: war now that it's on.
[40:42] Speaker 3: Well, it's most partisan groups have retreated to their party lines.
[40:46] Speaker 3: Republicans support the president and his efforts in Iran.
[40:49] Speaker 6: Democrats don't.
[40:50] Speaker 3: But the independents who are up for grabs are overwhelmingly
[40:53] Speaker 3: against this. And even within the Republican party, you know
[40:57] Speaker 3: you've got a hefty amount who say they're against it.
[41:00] Speaker 3: It depends on the poll, but it could be in
[41:01] Speaker 3: place from thirty percent around there. So the majority of
[41:07] Speaker 3: every poll is against it. The only way you can
[41:08] Speaker 3: get people to say like on a majority basis that
[41:10] Speaker 3: they're even close to like maybe for it, is if
[41:14] Speaker 3: you say, are you in support of a military action
[41:16] Speaker 3: to take out Iran's nuclear program? And you know, by
[41:19] Speaker 3: the way, we did that in June, so like okay,
[41:23] Speaker 3: but yeah, people they don't understand the war. Like the
[41:26] Speaker 3: polling also shows no one has any idea what we're doing,
[41:29] Speaker 3: Like do you they specifically went through an ass Do
[41:32] Speaker 3: you think it's for regime change like twelve percent yes?
[41:36] Speaker 6: Do you think it's to take out the nuke program?
[41:37] Speaker 6: Thirteen percent?
[41:38] Speaker 1: Yes?
[41:38] Speaker 3: Do you think it's because Iran was going to launch
[41:41] Speaker 3: terrorist attacks?
[41:42] Speaker 6: You know? Ten percent?
[41:43] Speaker 3: Yes, Nothing got more than like thirteen or fourteen percent
[41:46] Speaker 3: of the most and multiple answers seven or eight or
[41:49] Speaker 3: nine were on there with at least seven, eight or
[41:52] Speaker 3: nine percent percent in terms of support.
[41:55] Speaker 6: So nobody knows what we're doing there, Paul.
[41:58] Speaker 3: And that's because the ministration has given us about ten
[42:02] Speaker 3: thousand different explanations from the morning Trump spoke about this
[42:06] Speaker 3: on Saturday till the afternoon that day, and then again yesterday,
[42:09] Speaker 3: and then Marco Rubio yesterday, then Marco trying to do
[42:12] Speaker 3: clean up.
[42:12] Speaker 6: An Aisle seven today.
[42:14] Speaker 3: Now they're trying to shame the media after saying that
[42:15] Speaker 3: this is the media messaging problem.
[42:17] Speaker 6: No, it's not, it's the administration messaging problem.
[42:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:20] Speaker 2: I mean there's also you know a lot of people
[42:22] Speaker 2: that were paying attention to JD. Vance and the fact
[42:25] Speaker 2: that for the first couple of days he was relatively quiet.
[42:28] Speaker 2: He has come out since done interviews where unsurprisingly he's
[42:32] Speaker 2: backing everything that the administration is doing. Again, is somebody
[42:37] Speaker 2: trying to work out Obviously the president is the one
[42:42] Speaker 2: making the decisions, but who is the one who was
[42:44] Speaker 2: informing those decisions. Who are you looking to for who
[42:49] Speaker 2: has the presidency at the moment that is either reaffirming
[42:53] Speaker 2: his choices or spurning him on.
[42:57] Speaker 3: Well, that would be our secret president Benjamin Netanyahu. Like,
[43:02] Speaker 3: there's no one influencing Trump more right now than net Yahoo.
[43:05] Speaker 3: That's just the case within the administration. Look, I think
[43:09] Speaker 3: they're all supporting him. The reports are that he had
[43:12] Speaker 3: an all hands on deck meeting mid January. Vance was there,
[43:16] Speaker 3: Rubio was there, Dean Dan Raisin Kine, our chairman of
[43:19] Speaker 3: the Joint Chiefs, was there and they had a long,
[43:23] Speaker 3: long heart to heart about what we should do, and
[43:27] Speaker 3: that JD vance was against strikes, but said, if you're
[43:30] Speaker 3: going to do them, this is how I think you
[43:32] Speaker 3: should do them, like going strong and sweeping, as opposed
[43:35] Speaker 3: to like an incremental approach, which I guess Trump had
[43:38] Speaker 3: originally been leaning towards something smaller and more pinpoint.
[43:42] Speaker 6: And it looks.
[43:43] Speaker 3: Like JD got his way, and now we're you know,
[43:46] Speaker 3: we're in it, and I guess I don't know. It's
[43:50] Speaker 3: it's it's going to be very hard over the coming
[43:54] Speaker 3: days to watch the casualty reports come in. We've already
[43:57] Speaker 3: lost six US military service personell and it's a tragedy
[44:02] Speaker 3: because their parents, I'm sure were extremely proud of them
[44:04] Speaker 3: when they signed up. I'm sure they love America and
[44:06] Speaker 3: they did it because they love their country, and I'll
[44:09] Speaker 3: bet they always thought that God forbid they had to
[44:11] Speaker 3: pay the ultimate sacrifice, it would be for a war
[44:13] Speaker 3: in which they were clearly fighting for America's interests. And
[44:17] Speaker 3: we remain to figure out exactly how that was the
[44:20] Speaker 3: case here. I mean, I said on Monday. I definitely
[44:24] Speaker 3: see how this is in Iran's interest, like the interests
[44:26] Speaker 3: of the people of Iran. Though it's a little precarious
[44:29] Speaker 3: because we don't know who the Iotot is going to
[44:31] Speaker 3: get replaced by right now, looks like his son, who
[44:34] Speaker 3: might be even more hardline than the father. I definitely
[44:38] Speaker 3: see how it's good for Israel. This is Netnyahu's dream.
[44:43] Speaker 3: I'm not sure how it's good for America. I mean,
[44:45] Speaker 3: Iran's terrible. We know that the leadership they've hated America,
[44:49] Speaker 3: and they've definitely attacked US troops, hundreds of them, over
[44:51] Speaker 3: six hundred of them in Iraq alone, never mind what's
[44:54] Speaker 3: happened on the high seas with the who thies. But
[44:58] Speaker 3: we have done retaliatory actions in response to those behaviors.
[45:02] Speaker 3: You know, we have imposed sanctions on Iran, We've done
[45:06] Speaker 3: strikes on some of their outposts and their you know,
[45:10] Speaker 3: third parties that they use. And to pretend that none
[45:13] Speaker 3: of that has been addressed now and that it all
[45:15] Speaker 3: it's all come down, it comes down to this one
[45:17] Speaker 3: big act of revenge where we take over their country,
[45:20] Speaker 3: we take out all their leadership, we impose regime change,
[45:23] Speaker 3: We impose democracy.
[45:25] Speaker 6: No one's used that word. In fairness to the administration.
[45:27] Speaker 3: We get boots on the ground for months or who
[45:30] Speaker 3: knows how long. It's just that that doesn't make sense.
[45:35] Speaker 3: And Trump knew it wouldn't make sense. And that's why
[45:37] Speaker 3: when he first came out and sold this, he said
[45:39] Speaker 3: imminent threat, and then it promptly hit every paper from
[45:43] Speaker 3: people who are in the know that there was no
[45:44] Speaker 3: imminent threat, and in fact, that was made specifically clear
[45:48] Speaker 3: that there would not be an imminent threat that Iran
[45:51] Speaker 3: composed to the United States of any kind, and that
[45:53] Speaker 3: the only threat we might face from them would probably
[45:55] Speaker 3: take about ten years for them to either reconstruct their
[45:58] Speaker 3: nukes or get some sort of meaningful intercontinental ballistic missile
[46:02] Speaker 3: that could reach here. But we were nowhere near there.
[46:04] Speaker 3: And I understand the argument, why wait for it to
[46:06] Speaker 3: be imminent? Okay, you can't just go around preemptively bombing
[46:09] Speaker 3: any country that doesn't like you and has like the
[46:13] Speaker 3: desire to make a bomb that could take you out.
[46:15] Speaker 6: Like that's that we have to get.
[46:18] Speaker 3: We have to bomb North Korea next, because they actually
[46:21] Speaker 3: have the bomb and they hate us. Let's bomb the
[46:24] Speaker 3: Chinese because they actually could engage with US militarily, and
[46:27] Speaker 3: it's just like, this is not a foreign policy that
[46:30] Speaker 3: makes sense, and it's not one Trump ran on, and
[46:32] Speaker 3: it is in many ways a betrayal of his campaign promises,
[46:36] Speaker 3: what he sold himself as and of his magabrate base.
[46:40] Speaker 2: So how do you deal with the inevitable criticism that comes.
[46:43] Speaker 2: I know there's sort of the hypobolic people that were
[46:45] Speaker 2: not even going to engage with Rod who want to
[46:47] Speaker 2: pretend this is about something else. Reality is one of
[46:51] Speaker 2: the reasons people like you is because you're an independent voice.
[46:54] Speaker 2: And yes, that means at times there's going to be
[46:56] Speaker 2: displeasure from the president. Again, we don't want to go
[46:59] Speaker 2: back to things were years ago when it.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Was particularly tough.
[47:03] Speaker 2: But you know, part of the game is you got
[47:05] Speaker 2: to tell the truth as you say it, and this
[47:07] Speaker 2: is the truth as you say it.
[47:10] Speaker 3: Well, Trump wasn't happy with my opposition to what he's
[47:14] Speaker 3: doing in Iran, and he made some rather mild remarks
[47:17] Speaker 3: about me. I have to say I kind of thought
[47:18] Speaker 3: it was in a way sweet for Trump. Like he
[47:21] Speaker 3: was asked by a reporter, what do you say to
[47:23] Speaker 3: Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, who have said the following
[47:25] Speaker 3: things about the war, and in neither case were we
[47:28] Speaker 3: harshly critical about President Trump.
[47:30] Speaker 6: It was we disagree with this policy.
[47:31] Speaker 3: We've got a lot of questions, having been at Fox
[47:34] Speaker 3: for most of those years defending the other Middle East wars,
[47:37] Speaker 3: and his pushback I thought was equally mild. It was
[47:39] Speaker 3: he stood up for himself. He said, like, they can't
[47:41] Speaker 3: hurt me. Her opinion doesn't matter because she's been opposed
[47:44] Speaker 3: to me in the past, and I still won fair point.
[47:47] Speaker 3: And then he said she's not maga, And he said,
[47:49] Speaker 3: Tucker's not maga. He's right, I'm not maga. Like that
[47:52] Speaker 3: is a very fair response.
[47:54] Speaker 1: There's more of the chat at up at skyews dot
[47:56] Speaker 1: com dot au. Will see her again.
[47:58] Speaker 2: Nike's Wake, Megan Kelly break back we bore here on
[48:01] Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live, including a quick farewell to a very
[48:04] Speaker 2: special entertainer.
[48:10] Speaker 1: As you know, I loves me some rock and roll,
[48:12] Speaker 1: I love some.
[48:12] Speaker 2: Music, and I love music from lots of different places. Sadly,
[48:15] Speaker 2: Neil Sidhaka passed away this past weekend. He wrote five
[48:19] Speaker 2: hundred songs. O Caroll was his biggest calendar Girl was massive,
[48:22] Speaker 2: and he wrote the song that Captain and O'Neil made famous,
[48:25] Speaker 2: but his.
[48:26] Speaker 1: Version he busted again. That'll be in your head.
[48:40] Speaker 2: Love will keep us together, Neil Sidhaka, thanks for the hits,
[48:43] Speaker 2: thanks for the songs. We'll see you again tomorrow night
[48:45] Speaker 2: on Paul Murray Live

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