# Paul Murray Live | 19 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 19 Jul 2026, 50 min.

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Australia's social cohesion reaches a tipping point as the government responds to Islamophobia report, One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson delivers CPAC London speech. Plus, Andy Burnham to become the next UK prime minister. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, James. We'll
[0:06] Speaker 1: see you again throughout the week on the Late Debate.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Welcome to the show tonight. We've got an awful lot
[0:09] Speaker 1: to get to remember this time. Next week we're going
[0:11] Speaker 1: to be an armadagic and tickets by simply sending me
[0:14] Speaker 1: an email which is outsound at skyews dot com dot au.
[0:17] Speaker 1: So breaking news tonight is that maybe Labor's not back
[0:21] Speaker 1: after all, maybe One Nation is not finished after all.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Well we all know neither of those things were true.
[0:28] Speaker 1: But the latest News poll has dropped. It's surprised a
[0:31] Speaker 1: lot of people because putts of this were expected for
[0:34] Speaker 1: another week. So we've got it now and it shows
[0:36] Speaker 1: that equal billing as the most popular political parties in
[0:40] Speaker 1: the country are One Nation and Labor. Now, as you remember,
[0:45] Speaker 1: the last News poll had Labor going up by the
[0:49] Speaker 1: best part of three points. That clearly was a little
[0:51] Speaker 1: bit too hot. So now they've come back, they're basically
[0:55] Speaker 1: where they were after the budget. One Nation is where
[1:00] Speaker 1: it was again, close to the tippy top of its poles.
[1:04] Speaker 1: So the predictions of it all being over or everything
[1:08] Speaker 1: going back the way the government wants it, Guess what
[1:10] Speaker 1: they weren't true. Good news for the coalition here is
[1:14] Speaker 1: that they have gone up. Now they are well and
[1:16] Speaker 1: truly bronze medalist and running are pretty hard bronze as well.
[1:21] Speaker 1: But the Greens went down. The Independent number has also
[1:26] Speaker 1: apparently gone down, but you can see there that there
[1:28] Speaker 1: is a change in terms of preferred prime minister. Now, again,
[1:31] Speaker 1: this is not a three horse race because Pauline Hanson
[1:34] Speaker 1: is a member of the Senate all right. Now, yes,
[1:37] Speaker 1: theoretically she could run in the lower House. But until
[1:39] Speaker 1: she does, I don't understand this question. But clearly fifty
[1:44] Speaker 1: four percent of the country doesn't think it's Anthony Albernezi. Now,
[1:48] Speaker 1: will there be some who couldn't possibly back in Pauline
[1:50] Speaker 1: because they're backing in agus Taylor. They couldn't possibly back
[1:53] Speaker 1: in Taylor because they're backing in paul In Hanson. Sure maybe,
[1:57] Speaker 1: but perhaps the prediction of the death of one nation
[2:01] Speaker 1: might have been just a little bit too excited. And
[2:04] Speaker 1: the media who were burying them for the past two weeks, well,
[2:09] Speaker 1: they'll just pretend they never said any of this.
[2:13] Speaker 2: A rise in the polls was meteoric.
[2:15] Speaker 3: Now support for Pauline Hanson and one Nation appears to
[2:18] Speaker 3: be slipping.
[2:19] Speaker 4: Support for Pauline Hansen has fallen for the first time
[2:21] Speaker 4: in four months.
[2:22] Speaker 1: According to fresh piling from our colleagues at the CIDNY
[2:25] Speaker 1: Morning Heralds, the thought for.
[2:26] Speaker 3: One Nation has slumped in the latest Resolve Strategic poll.
[2:31] Speaker 1: Let's all see the language that they use tomorrow. I'll
[2:34] Speaker 1: well and truly report back for you now, regardless of
[2:37] Speaker 1: whom is top of the tree or a tie in
[2:40] Speaker 1: this case, right now, the numb one issue in the
[2:42] Speaker 1: country is cost of living. Now, before you think there,
[2:45] Speaker 1: he is is going to go off and I can
[2:47] Speaker 1: predict word for word what he's going to do for
[2:48] Speaker 1: the next ten minutes. I'm about to surprise you. The
[2:52] Speaker 1: reason I mentioned this is because in some polling that
[2:55] Speaker 1: we got last week. I mentioned it on the show,
[2:57] Speaker 1: but I spent a bit more time this week in
[2:59] Speaker 1: reading into as deeply as I could. There is basically
[3:04] Speaker 1: a three way tie in Australia when it comes to
[3:07] Speaker 1: which party has the best solution to the biggest problem
[3:10] Speaker 1: in the country. Now again, you can do the mats
[3:13] Speaker 1: here where what forty eight percent of people believe it's
[3:18] Speaker 1: the Coalition and One Nation, not the government that has
[3:20] Speaker 1: the best solution on the cost of living. But essentially
[3:25] Speaker 1: it's twenty four twenty four to twenty four, a three
[3:27] Speaker 1: way split on the biggest issue in the country. Which
[3:32] Speaker 1: is why I would suggest for the past couple of
[3:35] Speaker 1: weeks and certainly the past week, we haven't had a
[3:37] Speaker 1: lot of conversation about the cost of living. We've had
[3:41] Speaker 1: a lot of conversation that is about trying to do
[3:45] Speaker 1: anything they can to try to shake soft voters off
[3:49] Speaker 1: One Nation the resolve pole, which did show a fall
[3:53] Speaker 1: in support for One Nation, a rise in support for labor,
[3:57] Speaker 1: they don't worry. You don't have to squint a lots
[4:01] Speaker 1: of issues and which political party the red being labor,
[4:04] Speaker 1: the blue being the coalition, yellow being one Nation, then
[4:09] Speaker 1: other and undecided, and it reads the following way for
[4:16] Speaker 1: labor their most popular areas. So whenever they are talking
[4:21] Speaker 1: about these things in the news, they are trying to
[4:25] Speaker 1: aidlock in the people who voted for them last time
[4:29] Speaker 1: and trying to grow that number going into another election.
[4:33] Speaker 1: When you hear them talking about welfare or benefits, healthcare
[4:40] Speaker 1: or aged care, even though I would suggest their record
[4:42] Speaker 1: on age care is a little wobbly, or issues of
[4:46] Speaker 1: pay rises for low class, low class my sincere apologies
[4:51] Speaker 1: working class workers, or suggesting, oh, well, you know, we
[4:55] Speaker 1: personally have created millions of jobs, even though of course
[4:58] Speaker 1: yes they employ plenty in the government sector. It is
[5:01] Speaker 1: the private sector that do it. For the Libs, when
[5:05] Speaker 1: they are talking about these issues, they are trying to
[5:10] Speaker 1: buffer up their support because their most popular hand is
[5:14] Speaker 1: to talk about economic management, the managing of the finances,
[5:18] Speaker 1: national security, and defense. So when you see a political
[5:24] Speaker 1: party talking about any of those six things, than what
[5:26] Speaker 1: they are trying to do is pull the conversation back
[5:29] Speaker 1: onto the territory that is strongest for them for one nation,
[5:34] Speaker 1: immigration and refugees, crime and anti social behavior, and equal
[5:40] Speaker 1: with the labor party wages for working class voters and jobs. Now,
[5:50] Speaker 1: this last section here is the area that is potentially
[5:54] Speaker 1: most vulnerable for labor because they are polling out the
[5:57] Speaker 1: same number. This is why the industrial position of one
[6:00] Speaker 1: nation has been a very clear focus of the unions,
[6:03] Speaker 1: but they completely vacated the field talking about that in
[6:06] Speaker 1: the past week, in fact the past two weeks, because
[6:10] Speaker 1: the media think the way to bring down one nation
[6:14] Speaker 1: is to be outraged by what one nation says on
[6:17] Speaker 1: the thing that Australians find most interesting about them. Remember
[6:23] Speaker 1: the National Press Club speech.
[6:26] Speaker 5: Senior members of the Coalition and Labor have criticized One
[6:30] Speaker 5: Nation leader Pauline Hanson over her comments on industrial relations
[6:34] Speaker 5: and multiculturalism during her address to the National Press Club yesterday.
[6:39] Speaker 6: Paul and Hansen's explanation of monoculture has a little fire
[6:43] Speaker 6: under the Albanese government.
[6:45] Speaker 3: Promising to slash immigration and change the face of the nation.
[6:50] Speaker 1: And then last week it was being interviewed or meeting
[6:54] Speaker 1: or not saying the right things to put some distance
[6:57] Speaker 1: between herself and Tommy Robinson. Again, this is what the
[7:01] Speaker 1: media talked about last week, not the number one issue
[7:04] Speaker 1: in the country, not any of the other eight issues
[7:08] Speaker 1: that work for or against the political parties.
[7:11] Speaker 2: As I just spoke of, One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson
[7:15] Speaker 2: has sat down for an almost hour long interview with
[7:19] Speaker 2: far right activist and convicted criminal Tommy Robinson.
[7:23] Speaker 1: Now, as I said about Carl, I say about this,
[7:27] Speaker 1: I have no interest in Tommy Robinson. I know some
[7:29] Speaker 1: of you do, and I get down some of you
[7:31] Speaker 1: will get angry at me saying that which is personally
[7:33] Speaker 1: not for me. Not interested, right, I think some of
[7:35] Speaker 1: the stuff that Pauline Hanson has done in the UK
[7:38] Speaker 1: has been unhelpful. But I'm not part of this cadre
[7:41] Speaker 1: of the media that somehow I think they have found
[7:43] Speaker 1: Achilles heel, even though Achilles isn't part of the Odyssey movie.
[7:47] Speaker 1: But it's a reference to a fabulous movie that I
[7:49] Speaker 1: hope you see and I hope you see an imax.
[7:51] Speaker 1: I'll talk about that again later in the show. And
[7:54] Speaker 1: then they were all a flutter tonight about a speech
[7:57] Speaker 1: that she gave to the UK version of Seapak. Pauline
[8:01] Speaker 1: Hanson is under fire tonight for a speech made at
[8:04] Speaker 1: a conservative conference. Pauline Hanson has told her Conservative conference
[8:07] Speaker 1: in London that people shouldn't have to apologize for being white.
[8:10] Speaker 7: But as europe correspondent Hanna Sinclair reports, crowds barely turned
[8:14] Speaker 7: out to listen to the One Nation leader.
[8:16] Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson takes her populist politics seventeen thousand kilometers from home.
[8:22] Speaker 1: Now again, I love the crowd thing right now. I've gagged,
[8:28] Speaker 1: in fact, made more than fun of when the Prime
[8:31] Speaker 1: Minister was addressing the United Nations and there was virtually
[8:33] Speaker 1: no one in the crowd. But that's also because the
[8:38] Speaker 1: event is not really about Australia. Equally with Seapak, there
[8:42] Speaker 1: was very few people in the crowd at nine point
[8:43] Speaker 1: thirty on a Sunday morning, I think, the third day
[8:46] Speaker 1: of a multi day conference and hungover, board, disinterested whatever.
[8:51] Speaker 1: But again she was talking to no one. Well again,
[8:54] Speaker 1: the voters aren't in the UK, they are potentially here
[8:58] Speaker 1: and then if that didn't work, well, yes, all of
[9:00] Speaker 1: this rubbish over the weekend.
[9:02] Speaker 9: Pauline Hanson has this week been snapped at a lavish
[9:06] Speaker 9: dol Shae and Gabbana fashion show in Sicily, as well
[9:09] Speaker 9: as pool side with mining billionaire Gina Rhinehart.
[9:12] Speaker 1: Spotted soaking up the Sicilian sunshine with Gina Reinhart. Their
[9:16] Speaker 1: pool side rendezvous at a luxury Italian hotel is raising
[9:20] Speaker 1: eyebrows back home.
[9:21] Speaker 8: Spotted in Sicily and swimming in the background her party's
[9:25] Speaker 8: billionaire benefactor.
[9:28] Speaker 1: Small question for the press is it totally off limits
[9:33] Speaker 1: now or not off limits? Are we getting rid of
[9:36] Speaker 1: the rules that when people are on holidays their fair game,
[9:39] Speaker 1: that we can take the photos like they do in
[9:41] Speaker 1: the United States of you know, albow fumbling about with
[9:45] Speaker 1: a lawn chair because it's a metaphor for his polity.
[9:48] Speaker 1: Is this the new game? Does this exists for the
[9:51] Speaker 1: people in the media. Of course not, It shouldn't, right,
[9:54] Speaker 1: but we all know why they're doing it. And you
[9:56] Speaker 1: notice in all of those stories there are these little
[10:00] Speaker 1: prefixes that get put onto everything of far right or
[10:03] Speaker 1: controversial or extreme or populist, which they will say is
[10:08] Speaker 1: just all add accurate labeling. Well, where's the far left
[10:14] Speaker 1: wing or left wing, populist or anarchist label applied to anything? No, no,
[10:20] Speaker 1: of course, these are just part of a very successful
[10:24] Speaker 1: tactic that has been deployed on the center right for
[10:28] Speaker 1: a long time, but has been perfected since the Bushfires
[10:33] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. We are six years into this now,
[10:38] Speaker 1: when every silver bullet must be fired in every direction,
[10:41] Speaker 1: no matter how low or how valid, at the political
[10:47] Speaker 1: opponent that is to the right of the Labor Party.
[10:53] Speaker 1: We saw this with Morrison, we saw this with Dutton,
[10:55] Speaker 1: We've seen this with Trump, We'll see it with Taylor.
[10:59] Speaker 1: We are now seeing it with Hansen. And while pauling Hanson.
[11:04] Speaker 4: Supporters will not be moved by all of this noise,
[11:08] Speaker 4: by all of the bullet holes that are the silver bullet,
[11:11] Speaker 4: and of course I'm speaking metaphorically before somebody writes a
[11:14] Speaker 4: letter and I've got to deal with this tomorrow.
[11:15] Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, where every shot must
[11:19] Speaker 1: be fired because it's a way of somehow stopping the
[11:22] Speaker 1: person that they disagree with. And as we saw in
[11:25] Speaker 1: the last election campaign, by not allowing Labour's political opponents
[11:30] Speaker 1: to be able to get on offense, they're always playing defense.
[11:33] Speaker 1: If they're playing defense, they look dodgy. If they look dodgy,
[11:35] Speaker 1: Laylor weird. And the government's able to pretend that despite
[11:39] Speaker 1: all of the record of their government, it's all about
[11:41] Speaker 1: the opposition, or in this case, it's all about one nation.
[11:47] Speaker 1: So the polls are going to keep going up, they're
[11:48] Speaker 1: going to keep going down. But one note I would
[11:51] Speaker 1: like to give to the camera media. I know just
[11:54] Speaker 1: love my insights, but I'm one hundred percent right on
[11:58] Speaker 1: this one nation support, whether people like it or not,
[12:05] Speaker 1: went through the roof. After the Burker thing through the roof,
[12:11] Speaker 1: the numbers continued to rise about the good Muslim's conversation,
[12:19] Speaker 1: Which doesn't mean that either of those scenarios were completely okay.
[12:22] Speaker 1: That I fully endorse that I don't see the obvious
[12:24] Speaker 1: downside of but the people who want to bring Pauline
[12:28] Speaker 1: Hansen down being outraged by the things Pauline Hansen says
[12:32] Speaker 1: in a speech or the people that she interviews or
[12:36] Speaker 1: she at times will surround herself with. It won't change
[12:40] Speaker 1: the numbers of the people who have already moved. It
[12:44] Speaker 1: may galvanize some of the people when it comes to
[12:47] Speaker 1: the preference game. And while the chances of ending up
[12:51] Speaker 1: with a very significant number of seats in the Lower
[12:54] Speaker 1: House to form the majority of the opposition slight even
[12:57] Speaker 1: slighter to be able to become the government, but still
[13:01] Speaker 1: they're playing a preference game here. But I wanted to
[13:04] Speaker 1: take some time on Sunday, Can we go back to
[13:06] Speaker 1: those things that I just mentioned about the different political parties,
[13:09] Speaker 1: because pretty simply, here's how it's going to work. When
[13:12] Speaker 1: labor is talking about welfare and benefits, they're trying to
[13:15] Speaker 1: help labor. When they're talking about healthcare and age care,
[13:18] Speaker 1: they're trying to help labor. When they're talking about jobs
[13:21] Speaker 1: and wages, they're trying to help labor. When the Libs
[13:24] Speaker 1: are talking about economic management, they're trying to help the Libs.
[13:27] Speaker 1: When managing the finances is trying to help the Libs
[13:30] Speaker 1: national security and defense. So every time we are talking
[13:33] Speaker 1: about immigration or refugees, regardless of whether you are pro
[13:37] Speaker 1: or anti, you're helping one nation. When you are recognizing
[13:41] Speaker 1: the problems of crime, you are helping one nation. And
[13:44] Speaker 1: when you are recognizing that the working class has been
[13:46] Speaker 1: screwed over by, among others, the leadership class that has
[13:49] Speaker 1: been around for decades, you're helping one nation. So yes,
[13:56] Speaker 1: of course, will there be much more hand wringing and
[13:58] Speaker 1: great outrage? Will there be in a tea tempt to
[14:00] Speaker 1: say that those who are not sufficiently outraged are part
[14:04] Speaker 1: of the problem. You know the game, You know what happens,
[14:07] Speaker 1: and they frankly have got nothing but a winning record
[14:11] Speaker 1: since those bushfires on how they go after people. But
[14:16] Speaker 1: I'm calling the play now. I'm telling you right now
[14:21] Speaker 1: how they are going to try to achieve the same
[14:24] Speaker 1: result they have at two separate elections. And of course
[14:28] Speaker 1: they have deployed even when he was winning against Donald
[14:32] Speaker 1: Trump since twenty fifteen. Does this mean that the Pauline Hanson
[14:37] Speaker 1: is Aussie Trump. No again, lazy half listening. The battle
[14:41] Speaker 1: is not about the left and the right It's about
[14:43] Speaker 1: whether you pay attention or you don't. If you pay attention,
[14:46] Speaker 1: you see what this government is doing. If you pay attention,
[14:49] Speaker 1: you saw what the Libs had been doing in the past.
[14:53] Speaker 1: If you're paying attention, yes, there are sometimes moments where
[14:56] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson all one Nation make you go, I wouldn't
[14:58] Speaker 1: have gone there, they do. If you want a perfect candidate,
[15:02] Speaker 1: you run yourself. In the meantime, choose between the buffet
[15:05] Speaker 1: that has already been presented. Certainly, when it comes to
[15:09] Speaker 1: the red plate or the green plate, I'll send that
[15:12] Speaker 1: back to the kitchen. Oh yeah. And as for the
[15:15] Speaker 1: Prime Minister, he's apparently also got this new way of
[15:18] Speaker 1: dismissing Pauline Hanson, which is if you are a member
[15:21] Speaker 1: of the opposition and you go somewhere else in the
[15:23] Speaker 1: world and you talk about a problem with Australia, then
[15:26] Speaker 1: somehow you're talking Australia down, as opposed to the Prime Minister, who, well,
[15:32] Speaker 1: we could find the archives of when he was doing it.
[15:34] Speaker 1: But this is again him playing the ultimate card, which
[15:38] Speaker 1: is everyone but me is weird. You wouldn't vote for weird,
[15:41] Speaker 1: would you? When I have the opportunity to represent Australia overseas.
[15:48] Speaker 1: I talk Australia up. I don't talk Australia down now.
[15:53] Speaker 1: As you know, for as long as I've had access
[15:54] Speaker 1: to your landrum device or wherever is you're watching, either
[15:58] Speaker 1: live or or on demand, armed we call him eh
[16:01] Speaker 1: way elbow because pretty obvious in a thirty year political career,
[16:04] Speaker 1: he said one thing and he does another. Sometimes it
[16:07] Speaker 1: is as blatant as promising one thing before an election
[16:11] Speaker 1: doing another thing after election. Sometimes it is as obvious
[16:14] Speaker 1: as just last year promising I will go to the
[16:17] Speaker 1: Garma Festival every year while I'm Prime Minister. The first
[16:22] Speaker 1: chance he got one year later to prove whether that
[16:24] Speaker 1: was honest or not. Yeah, he's not turning up each way. Well,
[16:30] Speaker 1: as you know. One of the major problems in the
[16:33] Speaker 1: way this country responded to the antisemitism that exploded around
[16:40] Speaker 1: the world after October seventh a couple of years ago
[16:44] Speaker 1: was the protest at the Opera House. They never should
[16:48] Speaker 1: have been able to leave Town Hall. They never should
[16:50] Speaker 1: have been able to make it down George Street. They
[16:52] Speaker 1: never should have been allowed to turn right into Circular Key.
[16:55] Speaker 1: They never should have been allowed to turn left to
[16:57] Speaker 1: go past the toaster, and they never should have set
[17:01] Speaker 1: their eyes, let alone their feet, on the forecourt of
[17:05] Speaker 1: the Opera House because those people were not standing up
[17:10] Speaker 1: the Palestine. Those people were protesting or dare I say,
[17:17] Speaker 1: celebrating the actions of Hamas. Why because there had been
[17:20] Speaker 1: no military response to the October seventh attack when that
[17:24] Speaker 1: protest took place. As the months and years rolled on,
[17:29] Speaker 1: sure plenty of people took to the streets for lots
[17:30] Speaker 1: of other reasons, but the people on that day, that day,
[17:34] Speaker 1: that date, that occasion, were doing so because the Opera
[17:39] Speaker 1: House was going to be lit up with a symbol
[17:43] Speaker 1: of respect for the people who had died on October
[17:45] Speaker 1: the seventh. But of course it was all about frightening,
[17:48] Speaker 1: scaring and intimidating, bullying anyone to have sympathy with the
[17:53] Speaker 1: victims of October the seventh. After that, the antisemitic attacks,
[17:57] Speaker 1: whether they were orchestrated by figures overseas, whether they were
[18:02] Speaker 1: orchestrated or paid for by the governor of Iran, or
[18:04] Speaker 1: whether they were homegrown plots, they all happened. I do
[18:09] Speaker 1: like the people who pretend, well, really, the money, the motivation,
[18:12] Speaker 1: so it all happened, all right, there's no mystery world
[18:16] Speaker 1: but each way. Albo, of course, after all of this
[18:19] Speaker 1: was happening, had to pretend that two things were happening
[18:22] Speaker 1: at the same time. There wasn't just the explosion of
[18:26] Speaker 1: anti semitism. There was also an apparent explosion of Islamophobia.
[18:32] Speaker 1: Despite the fact that, of course there was no marching
[18:35] Speaker 1: on the opera house about Islam or Islamophobia. There was
[18:41] Speaker 1: no burning, storming or violence that was being taken rightly.
[18:47] Speaker 1: So I'm saying that good that the violence didn't happen
[18:51] Speaker 1: about significant religious figures or turning up to mosques. None
[18:55] Speaker 1: of that happened. But because it's each way elbow, we
[18:57] Speaker 1: got an anti Semitism en But we also got an
[19:01] Speaker 1: anti Islamophobia Envoy because the two problems were exactly the same.
[19:06] Speaker 1: Despite what you could see with your naked eyes. The
[19:11] Speaker 1: anti Semitism Envoy released a report a few months ago,
[19:18] Speaker 1: some of it implemented, sub of it not. But the
[19:20] Speaker 1: report was there now. The Prime Minister, i think, was
[19:25] Speaker 1: trying to hide the release of the one that came
[19:28] Speaker 1: out from the Islamophobia Envoy because the Islamophobia Envoy has
[19:33] Speaker 1: been a little problematic. He's the one of course publicly
[19:35] Speaker 1: writing the opinion pieces in the Guardian. He's the one
[19:38] Speaker 1: who's sneering at Paul and Hansen for reading or not
[19:41] Speaker 1: reading books. He's the one who's using taxpayers money through
[19:44] Speaker 1: the organization to develop polling of the Islamic community. And
[19:50] Speaker 1: you would think of report as apparently significant as this,
[19:52] Speaker 1: you wouldn't be announcing it and releasing it and doing
[19:54] Speaker 1: the press conferences on a Saturday. But that's what they did.
[20:00] Speaker 7: The Prime Minister has responded to a report showing a
[20:03] Speaker 7: rise in Islamophobia across the country. The Federal Government will
[20:07] Speaker 7: implement multiple recommendations to maintain social cohesion. These include educational awareness,
[20:14] Speaker 7: protection and support for Muslim groups, and maintaining accountability. Anthony
[20:19] Speaker 7: Albanesi says Islamophobia has no place in Australia.
[20:24] Speaker 1: Now. Interestingly, one of the things that I don't believe
[20:26] Speaker 1: is going to happen. But we'll all wait and see,
[20:28] Speaker 1: because remember Saturday report has been released. Either they didn't
[20:32] Speaker 1: really want to make a big deal of it because
[20:33] Speaker 1: they're not planning to do anything, or they didn't want
[20:36] Speaker 1: you to notice the report. They just want you to
[20:38] Speaker 1: wake up to the response to the report and said yeah,
[20:40] Speaker 1: didn't you notice that a few Saturdays ago, Well, the Envoy,
[20:47] Speaker 1: among other things, wanted basically not quite a full raw commission,
[20:51] Speaker 1: but just a standing, permanent inquiry constantly into Islamophobia. He's
[20:57] Speaker 1: what he said upon the release of the report on
[20:59] Speaker 1: a Saturday, which, in terms of the news cycle could
[21:04] Speaker 1: be the quietest week, quietest day of the week.
[21:07] Speaker 10: These measures matter, They are important. They demonstrate that the
[21:13] Speaker 10: government recognizes Islamophobia as a real and serious problem that
[21:18] Speaker 10: warrants a national response. Lasting change requires the government. Are
[21:23] Speaker 10: Muslim communities to remain engaged, build trust, deepen understanding and
[21:28] Speaker 10: work towards common ground.
[21:31] Speaker 1: Now again, just in case somebody is half listening or
[21:33] Speaker 1: somebody sends this to someone five weeks after I actually
[21:36] Speaker 1: said it, are there people who have committed crimes against
[21:41] Speaker 1: Jews in Australia? Absolutely? Have they done it because they're Jews? Yes,
[21:46] Speaker 1: the same for crimes that have been committed against people
[21:49] Speaker 1: who are Muslims. And have they done it because of
[21:52] Speaker 1: Islam or because of their dislike or distrust or or
[21:55] Speaker 1: hatred of Yes. I've never denied all of this. The
[21:59] Speaker 1: joy of the twenty eight million people who live here,
[22:01] Speaker 1: regardless of what they look like what God they believe
[22:04] Speaker 1: in or know God at all, is that you do you,
[22:09] Speaker 1: I defend your right to do. You just don't have
[22:13] Speaker 1: your version of the world impact my version of the world.
[22:18] Speaker 1: That your belief in your God takes greater precedence than
[22:21] Speaker 1: the law of the land, that your obsession with anything
[22:26] Speaker 1: else means more than the national symbol that affects twenty
[22:30] Speaker 1: eight million people. That's the truth of my view. As
[22:35] Speaker 1: for the government and what they're going to do with
[22:36] Speaker 1: this report, that again they either are not that interested
[22:40] Speaker 1: so they brought it out on a Saturday, or are
[22:42] Speaker 1: very interested, which is why they brought it out on
[22:44] Speaker 1: a Saturday and hoped you didn't notice. Here's their response
[22:48] Speaker 1: to the request, which was about fifty two recommendations.
[22:52] Speaker 8: The Prime Minister's National Response focusing on four points education,
[22:57] Speaker 8: protection and support, building, social cohesion and accountability and responsibility.
[23:06] Speaker 6: Examples of what those who hate Australia shouldn't pretend they
[23:11] Speaker 6: love Australia. And we need to be honest and proud
[23:15] Speaker 6: of the nation that we are where people have come
[23:19] Speaker 6: from all around the world and joined with the first
[23:21] Speaker 6: nations who've had a history here that dates back to
[23:24] Speaker 6: the first sunrise.
[23:27] Speaker 1: But again, just back to the point, all of those
[23:31] Speaker 1: things that you just saw as vague as you could
[23:33] Speaker 1: possibly be, which is partly a part of the problem
[23:36] Speaker 1: with the news world, the one actually sit there and
[23:38] Speaker 1: say recommendation two, it means this recommendation seven. It means
[23:42] Speaker 1: that the response from the government we agree with recommendation one,
[23:45] Speaker 1: we recommendation two, we ignore recommendation three. You know, we've
[23:48] Speaker 1: done that with plenty of reports before. None of that
[23:50] Speaker 1: in the news because you know, it's such a busy
[23:53] Speaker 1: news night, with the one hour of news that they
[23:54] Speaker 1: all have on a Saturday night. No, instead, all very
[23:57] Speaker 1: vague about education. What does that mean? What examples? What
[24:01] Speaker 1: will they change, what will they teach, what will they
[24:03] Speaker 1: not teach, What will they emphasize? What will they not emphasize.
[24:06] Speaker 1: That's just one of all of those things. So again
[24:09] Speaker 1: I just simply put this point. It came out on
[24:12] Speaker 1: a Saturday because question mark, they didn't want everyone to
[24:16] Speaker 1: see because they're not serious about it, they don't really
[24:18] Speaker 1: want to do anything. Well, they put it on a
[24:20] Speaker 1: Saturday hoping that you didn't notice. So when they announced
[24:23] Speaker 1: what they're doing, or didn't you know that we were
[24:26] Speaker 1: doing something now, as we know, they love to spend
[24:31] Speaker 1: other people's money. You work hard, we pay tax, they
[24:35] Speaker 1: pedal it up against the wall. And no, for once,
[24:38] Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about Anaka Wells, despite the fact
[24:40] Speaker 1: that of course she will and truly knows how to
[24:42] Speaker 1: do it. She's the Minister for Freebie. She's the one
[24:44] Speaker 1: who's got tickets, not just to so many free events,
[24:47] Speaker 1: but she's got tickets on herself. She'll be prime minister
[24:49] Speaker 1: one day. Well she's so, of course, still never really
[24:53] Speaker 1: answered some questions about some of the trips that she's
[24:55] Speaker 1: been taking just for old timesake. What was that again
[24:58] Speaker 1: about the trip to Adelaide?
[25:01] Speaker 11: My question is to the Minister for Communications in which
[25:05] Speaker 11: room at the live music venue the Jade did the
[25:09] Speaker 11: Minister hold her quote sideline meeting while at the fortieth
[25:13] Speaker 11: birthday party of her close personal friend, the bar, the garden,
[25:18] Speaker 11: kiosk or the room with the pinball machine?
[25:22] Speaker 1: Good quest, I like it. Well, no, we're not talking
[25:26] Speaker 1: about the Minister for freebi's the future prime minister. Because
[25:29] Speaker 1: nothing is more certain than the protected class of the
[25:31] Speaker 1: Annika Wells of this world. No question that one day
[25:36] Speaker 1: she will end up only ever ascending. She'll be great
[25:39] Speaker 1: for the country, won't she. Now this is the ambassador
[25:42] Speaker 1: for climate change or presumably against climate change. Yeah, we'll
[25:45] Speaker 1: go one of those two. See who wants to be
[25:47] Speaker 1: an elected politician. You can probably get paid as much
[25:50] Speaker 1: or more to be part of the blob in Canberra.
[25:55] Speaker 1: As you may have heard, the climate ambassador wracked U
[25:57] Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars on business class
[26:00] Speaker 1: flights because you know it's about helping the environment. The
[26:03] Speaker 1: obneazy government's climate change ambassador spen one hundred and twenty
[26:06] Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in taxpayer funds flying business lass around
[26:09] Speaker 1: the world part of a green globe trotting tour. Not
[26:13] Speaker 1: only was he spending fifty seven days overseas that cost
[26:17] Speaker 1: the public purse. The coalition has calculated the troops, which
[26:20] Speaker 1: included two weeks in Brazil, ten days in New York
[26:23] Speaker 1: to attend climate conferences, but about twenty four thousand kilograms
[26:27] Speaker 1: of carbon, which is the equivalent of going Sydney Canberra,
[26:30] Speaker 1: Canbra Sydney, Canberra, Sydney, Sydney Canberra four hundred and forty
[26:34] Speaker 1: two times. Now, of course, when they all told us
[26:37] Speaker 1: we had to go inside because of the woo flu.
[26:40] Speaker 1: The world found out a way to be able to
[26:41] Speaker 1: communicate on the other side of the world via screen. You
[26:44] Speaker 1: would have thought that would have hung over for the
[26:46] Speaker 1: people who don't want to add any further problems to
[26:48] Speaker 1: the atmosphere. No, no, no, no. But face to face
[26:50] Speaker 1: meetings far more important when you are trying to save
[26:55] Speaker 1: the plan. You would think that all of the sectors
[26:58] Speaker 1: that would continue to work for I'm home and do
[27:01] Speaker 1: it on a screen. It'd be the people who wouldn't
[27:03] Speaker 1: want to make the problem worse by traveling somewhere else
[27:06] Speaker 1: to talk about how big the problems. Now, let's talk
[27:10] Speaker 1: about our town coming up, of course, not this, but
[27:12] Speaker 1: next Sunday. Looking forward to this Sunday, twenty sixth of
[27:16] Speaker 1: the July. All right, here's your last chance. Join us
[27:18] Speaker 1: in a very big room, which is why I keep
[27:20] Speaker 1: talking about it. We got a lot of people coming,
[27:21] Speaker 1: but we've got even more room that we can get
[27:24] Speaker 1: more people in. Okay, Sunday, twenty sixth of the July.
[27:26] Speaker 1: Ourtown at sky news dot com. That are you, ourtown
[27:28] Speaker 1: at skynews dot com dot AU. Let's talk about the poles.
[27:31] Speaker 1: Let's talk about a whole lot more, but more importantly,
[27:33] Speaker 1: no soloks, no lefties, as you like it. That's how
[27:36] Speaker 1: we start off our week this Sunday night, first fight
[27:39] Speaker 1: at the Apple when it comes to the opinion for
[27:41] Speaker 1: the week. And by the way, full deck this week.
[27:43] Speaker 1: How good is it going to be? From Chris Kenny
[27:45] Speaker 1: to Rita Panney, Peter Sharry Bolt, everyone on deck and
[27:50] Speaker 1: little of me each and every night. Thank you very
[27:56] Speaker 1: much for it. If you're having to be no sooks,
[27:58] Speaker 1: no left is the way we do that is with
[27:59] Speaker 1: Kristin Abram, who is in Melbourne and in Hobert is
[28:02] Speaker 1: none other than the delightful Lee Hanson. Ladies, Hello, love
[28:04] Speaker 1: you to see you both. No sooks, no lefties, as
[28:06] Speaker 1: the way it should be. Love you see you both.
[28:08] Speaker 1: So what about these opinion polls? Unsurprisingly, you go up,
[28:12] Speaker 1: you go down, a little up, a little down. It's
[28:14] Speaker 1: all kind of the same. But Lee, I thought it
[28:16] Speaker 1: was all over last week. I was being told that
[28:18] Speaker 1: the support had and I quote collapsed one pole later.
[28:23] Speaker 1: And this is the point. They'll go up, they'll go
[28:25] Speaker 1: down your equal and back at thirty percent. And in
[28:28] Speaker 1: terms of cost of living three way tied right now
[28:31] Speaker 1: between the poles. Again, I thought it was all over.
[28:37] Speaker 3: Apparently that was all the headlines, wasn't it. I'm still
[28:39] Speaker 3: being seeing them up until today. But you're exactly right.
[28:43] Speaker 3: You know, D Day comes down to voting day. Polls
[28:45] Speaker 3: do go up and down and a lot of it
[28:47] Speaker 3: is led by what's the narrative we hear coming out
[28:51] Speaker 3: of the mouth of the major parties in the mainstream media.
[28:55] Speaker 3: And as I said last week, Paul, we just need
[28:57] Speaker 3: to state to the course, not let us distract does
[29:00] Speaker 3: keep speaking up about the real issues that are tackling
[29:03] Speaker 3: Australia and stay focused and that's we're here for the
[29:06] Speaker 3: long haul.
[29:07] Speaker 1: Look, I'll say this, and I'll put what does success
[29:09] Speaker 1: look like? Oh is on that question? What does success
[29:11] Speaker 1: look like more than you had before? In politics generally speaking,
[29:15] Speaker 1: that would be the way that it works. Right, So
[29:17] Speaker 1: if that results it okay, after all the noise, all
[29:19] Speaker 1: the rest of it. One extra senator, she happens to
[29:21] Speaker 1: come from Tazzy guess what when? Right likelihood of that
[29:25] Speaker 1: I think is relatively sleep. I think the party will
[29:28] Speaker 1: do a little better than that. But again, Kristen, you
[29:30] Speaker 1: know how this works, right And again let's get to
[29:34] Speaker 1: the islam of it all and the outrage about seapack
[29:37] Speaker 1: and the outreach about a holiday and the outrage or
[29:40] Speaker 1: the outrage, the outrage, the outrage. When will they learn
[29:44] Speaker 1: that the more they flip their lid on this stuff,
[29:46] Speaker 1: it's only better for Pauline Hanson if they want to
[29:49] Speaker 1: go hard on they believe this. They voted that. Okay, fine,
[29:53] Speaker 1: that's called an actual debate.
[29:58] Speaker 12: Look, we're going to have to slid disagree with you
[30:01] Speaker 12: on this one talking about the White Australia policy and
[30:05] Speaker 12: saying that's when it started to go wrong. It's it's
[30:08] Speaker 12: like talking about bringing back horse and cart. And so
[30:12] Speaker 12: I know that Pauline Hanson and One Nation has good policies.
[30:15] Speaker 12: They also have some, you know, policies that I don't
[30:17] Speaker 12: agree with, but they're kind of delivering them with a
[30:20] Speaker 12: wooden bat at the moment. And I know that the
[30:23] Speaker 12: polls are showing that it's going well. And a couple
[30:25] Speaker 12: of weeks ago, I came onto the program and I said,
[30:27] Speaker 12: you know, Pauline Hanson's not a racist, but it really
[30:30] Speaker 12: feels like she's steering into this skid by bringing up
[30:33] Speaker 12: White Australia because it feels like by that commentary that
[30:37] Speaker 12: you're saying that the people that came here afterwards and
[30:40] Speaker 12: that's worked hard born here like myself, that we're mistakes
[30:45] Speaker 12: for being here because that's when everything went wrong in
[30:47] Speaker 12: Australia and it's not. And I know that she, you know,
[30:50] Speaker 12: muddles her words sometimes, but unfortunately the everyday punta isn't
[30:55] Speaker 12: going to look at the nuance in the situation.
[30:57] Speaker 1: Well, as I said, right, is that I don't I
[31:00] Speaker 1: don't think that everything has been great over the past
[31:04] Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. And I do think sometimes when
[31:05] Speaker 1: these things are discussed, they are discussed in the wrong way,
[31:08] Speaker 1: they do get a little bit too hot. Now, Lee,
[31:10] Speaker 1: knowing that every utterance becomes another or divisions between right,
[31:16] Speaker 1: the decision to focus on that term that period of time,
[31:21] Speaker 1: it does have consequences. How best can you engage with
[31:27] Speaker 1: the conversation about immigration that doesn't become sort of overtly
[31:31] Speaker 1: offensive to maybe even some of those that were already
[31:34] Speaker 1: beginning to lean your way.
[31:38] Speaker 3: Look, first of all, Kristin, I'm really sorry that you
[31:41] Speaker 3: interpreted that way because I know who Pauline is, mummy is,
[31:46] Speaker 3: and I know that's not what her intention was in anyway,
[31:49] Speaker 3: I do think snippets of it was misinterpreted out. In
[31:52] Speaker 3: no way, shape or form did she say she wished
[31:55] Speaker 3: the white Australian policy hadn't been changed. She does not,
[32:00] Speaker 3: and she does not want it back. So I do
[32:03] Speaker 3: believe it's been taken out of context. We know that
[32:06] Speaker 3: media grab their snippets and their grabs and it's all
[32:08] Speaker 3: about clickbait, and then labors obviously jumped on it, and
[32:12] Speaker 3: so the liberals, right, that's how they try to better
[32:16] Speaker 3: themselves by picking out a little slogan when she was
[32:19] Speaker 3: talking about the history of immigration and the change that
[32:22] Speaker 3: has occurred, you know, and the reality is and what
[32:27] Speaker 3: our policy is. It's about the volume of immigration that
[32:30] Speaker 3: is coming into this country. We do not have enough
[32:34] Speaker 3: housing to support the numbers. What the terminology is used
[32:37] Speaker 3: as mass immigration, And it's about making sure that we
[32:41] Speaker 3: who choose to come into our country by our laws
[32:46] Speaker 3: and want to be proud and part of our prosperous
[32:48] Speaker 3: culture and country and give back to the country. It's
[32:52] Speaker 3: pure and simple, So assimilate and contribute back to this country.
[32:56] Speaker 3: So you know, I know the retoric and I you know,
[32:59] Speaker 3: unfortunately you know, I don't know firsthand. Mum knows firsthand.
[33:02] Speaker 3: She may not be the most eloquent person in the world,
[33:05] Speaker 3: but that is also a positive about her too, because
[33:09] Speaker 3: she's not necessarily the polished politician that speaks the talking
[33:13] Speaker 3: points as everybody else. She is authentic. But yes, it
[33:18] Speaker 3: was misunderstood, that's for sure.
[33:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I think also Kristin here
[33:22] Speaker 1: and I'll give you the final salentard for obvious reasons, right,
[33:24] Speaker 1: which is, and I appreciate you bringing it up, r
[33:27] Speaker 1: because better have a real conversation about it than sort
[33:29] Speaker 1: of bounce around through all the bumper stickers, right, which is,
[33:32] Speaker 1: you know, I think in politics or just life in general, right,
[33:35] Speaker 1: there are landmines which are there to hurt you. There
[33:37] Speaker 1: are trip wives which are there to hurt you. There
[33:39] Speaker 1: are stumbles and bumbles where you end up hurting yourself.
[33:44] Speaker 1: And when I hear these conversations, I put it in
[33:46] Speaker 1: the ladder of those categories rather than sort of the
[33:49] Speaker 1: attempt to be to hurt other people. But final say
[33:54] Speaker 1: on all of this, and then again we moved through
[33:56] Speaker 1: Christin Lee.
[33:59] Speaker 12: Thank you for the you know apology. And I'm not
[34:01] Speaker 12: an everyday punter, and I say that everyday punters are
[34:04] Speaker 12: not getting it. I went door knocking out in Frankston
[34:07] Speaker 12: and this lady said to me she was considering voting
[34:09] Speaker 12: for one nation. And because she said to the person
[34:13] Speaker 12: at the ABC, you're not going to have a job
[34:15] Speaker 12: if you know, I would defund the ABC. That's the
[34:19] Speaker 12: whole reason she's not going to vote for one nation now.
[34:21] Speaker 12: So and I understand that the media has this. They
[34:26] Speaker 12: take snippets and they're coming hard after you guys. And
[34:29] Speaker 12: I know that your mum may not be the most
[34:31] Speaker 12: eloquent person when they speak, but it is hard when
[34:34] Speaker 12: the media is going to attack you in that way.
[34:37] Speaker 1: But she just has to be careful well correct And
[34:39] Speaker 1: this is why again absolutely correct. Right, And the tough
[34:41] Speaker 1: love part of all of this in the conversation is
[34:44] Speaker 1: me pointing out what I did before. Right. They have
[34:46] Speaker 1: an unbroken record, certainly for thirty years when it comes
[34:48] Speaker 1: to Pauline Hanson, but specifically and the way they fight
[34:52] Speaker 1: and how loth they fight and all the ways they
[34:54] Speaker 1: fight since since the fires of twenty right, remember that
[34:57] Speaker 1: all the way through they've had nothing but success with
[35:00] Speaker 1: this flood. The zone are there plenty of voices in
[35:02] Speaker 1: social media. They are now starting to push back. And
[35:04] Speaker 1: yes they're probably a little lader in my algorithm, then
[35:06] Speaker 1: in other people's algorithm, and I'm glad that it's all there.
[35:09] Speaker 1: But we all know when you try to rattle the cage,
[35:12] Speaker 1: in this case, the Cambri Press Gallery and the people who,
[35:16] Speaker 1: of course that tuck them into bed at night, that
[35:18] Speaker 1: being the establishment, they don't want the boat to be rocked.
[35:21] Speaker 1: If I can throw about fourteen analogies in one all
[35:23] Speaker 1: right now, I wanted to talk here about just since
[35:27] Speaker 1: he allen And of course the Victorian Premier now next
[35:30] Speaker 1: couple of weeks is going to be very bumpy for
[35:32] Speaker 1: her because it is the last chance a labor party
[35:34] Speaker 1: has to change its leader on its own. We know
[35:37] Speaker 1: her position when it comes to the big build. And
[35:41] Speaker 1: despite the fact that more than seven out of ten
[35:43] Speaker 1: people in Victoria Wan and raw Commission that are going
[35:46] Speaker 1: to grind it out, the majority of labor voters want it.
[35:49] Speaker 1: Why all the reasons why we've spoken about it before.
[35:51] Speaker 1: I won't patronize you by going over it again, but
[35:54] Speaker 1: we all know fifteen billion dollars worth of not inflation, corruption,
[35:58] Speaker 1: but Apparently she's going to pulled some sort of a
[36:00] Speaker 1: rabbit out of the hat to try to change the conversation,
[36:03] Speaker 1: which is another level of law enforcement and a special
[36:06] Speaker 1: version of law enforcement that will be going after, among
[36:09] Speaker 1: other things, ALLGOS crime and the tobacco bombings and all
[36:12] Speaker 1: the rest of it. Again, Kristen, when you're knocking on
[36:15] Speaker 1: the doors in Frankston, you're running as an independent, there
[36:19] Speaker 1: is there a chance that Labor somehow can find a
[36:22] Speaker 1: way to change the subject and save themselves. Or are
[36:25] Speaker 1: they in that phase now where every announcement is viewed
[36:28] Speaker 1: cynically through the saving your ass metric that Australian politics
[36:33] Speaker 1: can sometimes get to.
[36:36] Speaker 12: She's running out, she's run out of jews on the
[36:38] Speaker 12: work from home two days a week legislation, and the
[36:41] Speaker 12: media is not spinning it hard enough for her, and
[36:45] Speaker 12: so this is why she now has to actually listen
[36:47] Speaker 12: and talk about a royal commission. I don't think that
[36:50] Speaker 12: Labor can bring it back. I don't think that Labor
[36:53] Speaker 12: is going to win at the November state election. I
[36:55] Speaker 12: think it's going to be an open slather and that's
[36:57] Speaker 12: great for democracy. So I don't want and a lot
[37:01] Speaker 12: of people I speak to when I'm door knocking. Do
[37:04] Speaker 12: not want her to get rolled by the Labor Party
[37:06] Speaker 12: because the Victorian people want the satisfaction of voting her out.
[37:10] Speaker 12: They didn't get the satisfaction voting Daniel Andrews out, But
[37:13] Speaker 12: my god, do they want.
[37:14] Speaker 1: To vote her out? Yeah? I remember this phenomenon in
[37:17] Speaker 1: two ways, of course, Lee, and you would too, right,
[37:18] Speaker 1: which was twenty ten where Australians wanted to sack the
[37:22] Speaker 1: Labor government under Kevin run They wanted to get rid
[37:24] Speaker 1: of him. Right. By the time it was twenty thirteen,
[37:27] Speaker 1: it was we have hired and we would like to
[37:29] Speaker 1: fire Julia Gillard. But of course the Labor Party trying
[37:32] Speaker 1: to do everything to quickly change, get a little sugar
[37:35] Speaker 1: hit and either save their backsides in the negotiation in
[37:38] Speaker 1: twenty ten, but obviously not even save the furniture in
[37:40] Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. What's your view of Jacida Allen and if
[37:44] Speaker 1: she pretends to be hard on crime but not on
[37:46] Speaker 1: the CFMU, what's the real message Victorians should take from that? Lee?
[37:53] Speaker 3: Look, Chris, and I actually think you're right. I think
[37:55] Speaker 3: the satisfaction from Victorians and voting her out is what
[37:58] Speaker 3: they want In regards to this, they're trying to avoid.
[38:03] Speaker 3: The real requirement is a royal commission. We know that
[38:07] Speaker 3: the unions are in bed with labor and they're trying
[38:10] Speaker 3: to save face. They're trying to pull out any last
[38:12] Speaker 3: rabbit out of the hat she possibly can do to
[38:15] Speaker 3: save her own skin. It's pure and simple, right, but
[38:19] Speaker 3: it's not going to achieve the transparency. What the people
[38:23] Speaker 3: actually want to need is the corruption and the involvement
[38:27] Speaker 3: with unions. So they're trying to hide it and they're
[38:29] Speaker 3: trying to provide something to look like they're delivering, which
[38:35] Speaker 3: at the end of the day, what is it going
[38:36] Speaker 3: to achieve? And I don't think it can be achieved
[38:38] Speaker 3: before the election anyway, so it'll be another false promise.
[38:41] Speaker 3: That's how I figure.
[38:42] Speaker 1: It, all right, Last one here, bold prediction for the
[38:44] Speaker 1: weak ahead. This is to be set in stone. I
[38:45] Speaker 1: mean again, it's quirk in the constitution. I don't know
[38:47] Speaker 1: how we get the power, but we do. Kristen, what's
[38:50] Speaker 1: definitely happening this week?
[38:53] Speaker 12: More corruption, Paul. I'm sorry I said it last time
[38:55] Speaker 12: I was on and I'm going to say it again.
[38:56] Speaker 12: It's just a never ending saga here in Victoria.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Fire hose of weird. Isn't it all right? Late? It is? Well?
[39:05] Speaker 3: I got the last one right, more lies and fabrication
[39:09] Speaker 3: about one nation this week? Should I keep rolling that
[39:12] Speaker 3: one on week to week?
[39:13] Speaker 1: More laborize. Yeah, we should assume that's twisted of the narrative. Yeah,
[39:17] Speaker 1: let's assume that's in the air every week from now on,
[39:19] Speaker 1: because I've got a feeling it's going to be well.
[39:23] Speaker 3: The other one I heard was apparently the dress Pauline
[39:27] Speaker 3: was wearing over it, the dult chinker barner is going
[39:29] Speaker 3: to become a top seller. Now I don't even know
[39:31] Speaker 3: what brand it is. Apparently it might, you know, influence
[39:35] Speaker 3: the next fashion.
[39:37] Speaker 1: So I would love it.
[39:38] Speaker 12: I love it run raisingly.
[39:40] Speaker 1: Remember Prime Minister, he's allowed to have a holiday. You
[39:43] Speaker 1: mum's allowed to have a holiday too, all right, But
[39:45] Speaker 1: I don't know. One must be followed. But you know,
[39:47] Speaker 1: you reckon they'll be taking a long pap shots. I
[39:50] Speaker 1: wouldn't think so. And even if somebody had a little
[39:52] Speaker 1: photo over their shoulder, you reckon, they're going to be
[39:54] Speaker 1: publishing that on elbows week away methinks not. Thank you guys,
[39:58] Speaker 1: appreciate it. In fact, again, I think that's of his
[40:00] Speaker 1: counterproductive all right, anyway, glad you're watching. Thank you very
[40:04] Speaker 1: much for watching us. Mark Donald joined us from the
[40:06] Speaker 1: United Kingdom because by this time tomorrow they have a
[40:08] Speaker 1: new prime Minister, Andy Burnham, the King of the North,
[40:11] Speaker 1: doesn't he love just people calling him that? Not really
[40:14] Speaker 1: the king of an author was an elected mayor for
[40:16] Speaker 1: a little while, but he's going to end up being
[40:18] Speaker 1: the end up being the captain of a sinking ship.
[40:22] Speaker 1: Can he save it? We'll talk to Mark next now, mate,
[40:30] Speaker 1: Mark Dolland is joining us from the UK. Big big day,
[40:32] Speaker 1: head man. That's was why he's got the special microphone out.
[40:34] Speaker 1: He's got the backdrop right of Talk TV because we
[40:37] Speaker 1: are on the eve of it's the final day of
[40:39] Speaker 1: the Starmer Premiership and we're getting ready for the bright
[40:41] Speaker 1: new day that is Andy Burnham. Now, I just I've
[40:46] Speaker 1: got to say, you know, I'm basically sitting here going, hey,
[40:48] Speaker 1: what is it about Burnham that becomes the circuit breaker?
[40:52] Speaker 1: Obviously the media is going to just declare him the
[40:54] Speaker 1: circuit breaker for obvious reasons. They're going to go into
[40:56] Speaker 1: protection mode and then slowly but surely stuff goes wrong. Okay,
[41:01] Speaker 1: will he have a different way of dealing when things
[41:03] Speaker 1: go wrong, I just ignore it, sack everyone the second
[41:06] Speaker 1: something goes wrong. I'd love to say we would have
[41:09] Speaker 1: an idea because they'd be other form, But because there's
[41:12] Speaker 1: no form, it's hard to know how he's going to
[41:15] Speaker 1: be different, isn't it? Mark, You're so right?
[41:19] Speaker 13: I mean Andy Burnham will be our prime minister in
[41:21] Speaker 13: twenty twenty four hours time. No one voted for the guy.
[41:24] Speaker 13: He's got no mandate and he's a shape shifter. He
[41:28] Speaker 13: used to be an ultra right wing within the Labor Party,
[41:31] Speaker 13: a sort of Blair right. Then he was a Gordon
[41:33] Speaker 13: Brown supporter. Then he moved left and it was Jeremy Corbyn.
[41:36] Speaker 13: This guy Paul has been on more journeys than Phileas Fogg.
[41:40] Speaker 13: So we don't know what kind of prime minister we're
[41:43] Speaker 13: gonna dot. I don't think Andy Burnham knows what kind
[41:45] Speaker 13: of prime minister is going to be, but the issue
[41:47] Speaker 13: we've got. He's better at politics, so when you talk
[41:49] Speaker 13: about you know, how will he handle the crises. He's
[41:52] Speaker 13: a better communicator than Keir Starmer. He's more presentable, he's charismatic,
[41:56] Speaker 13: he sounds like a human being, which we haven't had
[41:58] Speaker 13: for two years. Problem you've got is the policies. The
[42:02] Speaker 13: guy is wedded to the failed ideology of socialism. So
[42:06] Speaker 13: really all you're doing is changing the face. This is
[42:09] Speaker 13: basically lipstick on a pig, as far as I'm concerned.
[42:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, presumably the party membership is so
[42:16] Speaker 1: left wing, the makeup of his government's going to be
[42:18] Speaker 1: so left wing. And he's sort of openly saying, hey,
[42:21] Speaker 1: we've got everything wrong since the eighties, which is code
[42:24] Speaker 1: for Thatcher Blair, the return of the Conservatives, and of
[42:28] Speaker 1: course let's defeat the let's defeat the evils that are
[42:31] Speaker 1: farage on the way. So okay, that means money, right,
[42:34] Speaker 1: it means higher taxes, all right, Well, the majority of
[42:37] Speaker 1: the population doesn't pay it. We know what the consequences
[42:39] Speaker 1: are of higher taxes. The issue, of course, that he
[42:44] Speaker 1: has not touched at all is the one that I
[42:47] Speaker 1: think has been eating away at the Conservatives, eating away
[42:51] Speaker 1: at labor, and is the central kind of force behind reform,
[42:55] Speaker 1: which is illegal immigration. Right. He hasn't said a single
[42:59] Speaker 1: word about this. He is not saying anything to be different,
[43:03] Speaker 1: and the problem is just as bad on day one
[43:07] Speaker 1: as it is for the last day of Starmar, isn't it?
[43:10] Speaker 13: Most definitely? And he needs to read the room because
[43:13] Speaker 13: he comes from the Northwest, which is an area that
[43:16] Speaker 13: feels the consequences of illegal immigration very keenly, because that's
[43:21] Speaker 13: where the migrant hotels are. It's costing the United Kingdom
[43:25] Speaker 13: six or seven billion dollars a year just to accommodate
[43:28] Speaker 13: these folk, over half of whom will be allowed to stay,
[43:31] Speaker 13: which is mind boggling given that they broke the law
[43:34] Speaker 13: to get here. So yes, no mention of immigration, no
[43:37] Speaker 13: mention of the highest energy costs in the developed world.
[43:40] Speaker 13: Wealth taxes are a nightmare because this guy's got no
[43:43] Speaker 13: other option. He won't cut public spending. And yet if
[43:47] Speaker 13: you go for the super rich, well we're already having
[43:49] Speaker 13: a brain drain. Sixteen thousand millionaires have left the UK
[43:53] Speaker 13: already this year. Twenty percent of the people on the
[43:56] Speaker 13: Sunday Times Rich list from last year have left the
[43:59] Speaker 13: UK because the Labor Party don't seem to understand that
[44:02] Speaker 13: these wealth creators, they have private jets, they have internet broadband,
[44:06] Speaker 13: they have homes elsewhere, and they will.
[44:08] Speaker 1: Go yeah, this is it right, which is so again
[44:12] Speaker 1: the people end up end up paying. It feels like
[44:16] Speaker 1: the plan again is and it's happening here in Australia, right,
[44:19] Speaker 1: which is that the set of left just says you
[44:21] Speaker 1: can't possibly go to the right no matter our failings,
[44:24] Speaker 1: because they're weird, Right, they're weird, and then increasingly sort
[44:27] Speaker 1: of all the words up to evil and the rest
[44:30] Speaker 1: of it. Right, the likelihood is that okay, yes, this
[44:33] Speaker 1: Joe candidate probably ends up eating into the margin of Farage.
[44:37] Speaker 1: But I mean, it would just be so wild if
[44:40] Speaker 1: there was any other result than Farage comes back into
[44:42] Speaker 1: the Parliament. But do you have any feeling that momentum
[44:47] Speaker 1: has changed around the conversation of how frustrated people are
[44:53] Speaker 1: with labor Westminster in general, or is it a sense
[44:59] Speaker 1: of kind of you know, we love Nigel he's on
[45:02] Speaker 1: all the time saying in a political sense that whether
[45:05] Speaker 1: the political option has become a little more fool's gold
[45:08] Speaker 1: than gold in that Okay, they've been in front for
[45:10] Speaker 1: three hundred poles in a row, but now they're two
[45:12] Speaker 1: points behind and then two points behind that. What's your
[45:15] Speaker 1: sense of whether there is a momentum shift at the moment.
[45:19] Speaker 13: Well, I think there is and any sports fan will
[45:22] Speaker 13: tell you that the hardest position to be in the
[45:24] Speaker 13: field is ahead of the pack because you're always looking
[45:27] Speaker 13: over your shoulder. They say, a week is a long
[45:30] Speaker 13: time in politics. We will probably not have an election
[45:32] Speaker 13: for another two and a half to three years, so
[45:35] Speaker 13: there's a momentum issue. Nigel received a gift before he
[45:38] Speaker 13: re entered politics of in the region of nine million
[45:41] Speaker 13: Australian dollars. He's never fully explained the context of that
[45:45] Speaker 13: other than it was a gift and it's now a
[45:47] Speaker 13: bit of a sticky situation for him. He can't shake
[45:50] Speaker 13: it off. But I think by the time of the
[45:52] Speaker 13: next election that'll be old news and the more immediate
[45:55] Speaker 13: concern will be inflation and open borders, cost of living
[46:00] Speaker 13: a country that doesn't live within its means. I mean,
[46:02] Speaker 13: this is a crazy statistic for you, Paul. Six hundred
[46:06] Speaker 13: thousand households in the UK are better off not working
[46:10] Speaker 13: than going to work. So the country's broken and I
[46:13] Speaker 13: think in the end that will overtake Farage's temporary issues.
[46:18] Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people that I know like to
[46:21] Speaker 1: attend or are times involved in organizing the Seapack organization
[46:25] Speaker 1: when it comes here to Australia, They've been very kind enough,
[46:28] Speaker 1: they've invited me a couple of times. One of the
[46:29] Speaker 1: reasons why I haven't done it is because the left
[46:33] Speaker 1: immediate reporters that are inevitably in the room are looking
[46:36] Speaker 1: for the metaphor of they're all crazy or nobody's really
[46:39] Speaker 1: that interested, so they take the photo of you walking
[46:42] Speaker 1: past the exit sign, or walking the long way from
[46:45] Speaker 1: the no entry sign. You know, all of the metaphors
[46:48] Speaker 1: that they end up being able to gather up, and
[46:50] Speaker 1: then they use them as a hammer for the next
[46:53] Speaker 1: of a while. In Australia, the way of dealing with
[46:57] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen has not been necessarily to focus on the speech,
[47:01] Speaker 1: but to focus on what the room wasn't will look,
[47:03] Speaker 1: how wasn't very full? It was neither in a Sunday
[47:06] Speaker 1: freaking morning where presumably one or two cans may have
[47:10] Speaker 1: been consumed the night before. When I think, you know,
[47:13] Speaker 1: when Mary Old England was taking on third.
[47:16] Speaker 13: Of the World Cup, most definitely so I saw the
[47:20] Speaker 13: press coverage around Pauline's incredible speech. I thought she spoke
[47:24] Speaker 13: with courage and conviction. You were discussing her style earlier
[47:28] Speaker 13: and she's like Nigel Farage. She's like Donald Trump. She's
[47:31] Speaker 13: a rough diamond, but she's also a canary in the
[47:35] Speaker 13: coal mine, raising the alarm about what's happening to the
[47:37] Speaker 13: great country of Australia. And she's using the UK as
[47:42] Speaker 13: a warning to Australians about what can happen. In an
[47:45] Speaker 13: interview in the UK after that speech, she described Britain
[47:49] Speaker 13: as a sad, sorry country and she's absolutely right. But
[47:53] Speaker 13: all the media want to do is focus on the
[47:55] Speaker 13: half empty hall. Well, here's the thing about Pauline Hanson.
[47:58] Speaker 13: Her support in Australia is not half empty. But this
[48:02] Speaker 13: is what the media do. They try to undermine you.
[48:04] Speaker 13: They'd take comments out of context. It's racist this, it's
[48:08] Speaker 13: far right that, and these labels, and this coverage doesn't
[48:11] Speaker 13: work anymore. No one believes a word of it.
[48:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, inevitably, with all of these things, right,
[48:17] Speaker 1: and as people who people have made various political assumptions
[48:21] Speaker 1: about us in previous lives and think that somehow what
[48:25] Speaker 1: we talk about now is a betrayal to our true
[48:27] Speaker 1: self and he doesn't really believe it. It's like, yeah,
[48:29] Speaker 1: we both believe it. We both believe everything. We're saying,
[48:31] Speaker 1: have the whole it happened to Paul, Yeah happens Oh
[48:35] Speaker 1: my god, yeah, same dude, Just you've gone crazy left right,
[48:39] Speaker 1: I'm still standing where I was in ninety six. I'm
[48:41] Speaker 1: still standing where I was in i Wan anyway. But
[48:44] Speaker 1: the point being right is that, yes, sometimes these figures
[48:46] Speaker 1: they're going to go too far. They're going to hit
[48:48] Speaker 1: in the wrong place, and they are going to pay
[48:50] Speaker 1: a certain price for it. But those sort of hard
[48:53] Speaker 1: lefties who think the aha moment of these speeches, they
[48:56] Speaker 1: don't understand what drives the support. Sadly me talking about
[48:59] Speaker 1: me has taken up too much. So lovely to see you, Mark.
[49:01] Speaker 1: We'll see you again next week. And you stay exactly
[49:03] Speaker 1: where you are made because it's exactly where I am.
[49:05] Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, Mark Dolan, the United Kingdom. All right,
[49:07] Speaker 1: quick break back with Moore here on Paul Murray love Yeah,
[49:10] Speaker 1: you'd be surprised. Oh the numbers in my phone that
[49:13] Speaker 1: every now and then I remember, that's right, you used
[49:15] Speaker 1: to call me. Well, they've just mused me on Instagram. Hey,
[49:24] Speaker 1: you know that I love the movies. I'm a film nerd,
[49:27] Speaker 1: but I'm definitely not a movie snob. So my very
[49:31] Speaker 1: brief review of the Odyssey. It's great. It's not the
[49:35] Speaker 1: best film Christopher Nolan has ever made, but he wouldn't
[49:38] Speaker 1: be able to have made this movie if he wasn't
[49:40] Speaker 1: able to do all of the amazing things he has
[49:42] Speaker 1: done before. See it big, see it early, and don't
[49:46] Speaker 1: let the algorithm steal your view. It's a fabulous film.
[49:50] Speaker 1: Enjoy See you tomorrow night.

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