# Paul Murray Live | 3 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 3 Mar 2026, 51 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/8cb35938-3a4e-4dcc-ac69-b40200c0590b/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

A strike hits an ADF troop base in Dubai, Iran says it will attack any ship trying to pass through Strait of Hormuz. Plus, US military death toll rises. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray, Live
[0:06] Speaker 1: GOODA good evening. Thank you so much for joining us.
[0:08] Speaker 2: A lot of breaking news on the other side of
[0:10] Speaker 2: the world, a lot to deal with here at home,
[0:12] Speaker 2: A big and busy show.
[0:13] Speaker 1: We will do all of it.
[0:14] Speaker 2: We will not overdose in one direction or the other.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Just the stuff you need to know tonight, including the
[0:20] Speaker 2: very latest is that Australia has been caught up in
[0:24] Speaker 2: all of this. There was an Iranian drone strike which
[0:27] Speaker 2: apparently had hit Australian facilities in and around Dubai. Thankfully
[0:35] Speaker 2: no one injured, no one hurt. But the Defense Minister
[0:38] Speaker 2: and Deputy Prime Minister has detailed what happened a couple
[0:41] Speaker 2: of days ago when Iran started to respond and they
[0:44] Speaker 2: started to take aim at us.
[0:47] Speaker 3: There was.
[0:49] Speaker 4: Some drones which did attack that base on the first night.
[0:55] Speaker 4: I think we have a number of Australians who operate
[1:00] Speaker 4: from a headquarters that we've had at elminhad now for
[1:03] Speaker 4: many many years. It's just outside of Dubai, about half
[1:05] Speaker 4: an hour inside of Dubai. They are all accounted for,
[1:09] Speaker 4: they are all safe.
[1:11] Speaker 1: Which is excellent news, but of course they are in
[1:13] Speaker 1: the firing line.
[1:14] Speaker 2: Now, the use of drones is something I want to
[1:16] Speaker 2: talk about specifically with a military expert.
[1:19] Speaker 1: Will do that again a little bit later in the show.
[1:21] Speaker 1: Number two.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Iran is trying to get vengeance on the world by
[1:25] Speaker 2: choking the oil supply. Now, last night I spoke about
[1:28] Speaker 2: a specific stretch of water and the very narrow Strait
[1:32] Speaker 2: of Hormuz. This is where Iran is now trying to
[1:37] Speaker 2: stop any movement at all coming from the Middle East
[1:41] Speaker 2: through that strait. They are saying that they will attack
[1:44] Speaker 2: any ships that seek to do trade through that area.
[1:49] Speaker 2: This matters because twenty percent of all of the world's
[1:53] Speaker 2: oil travels through the Strait of Homus. Thirty percent of
[1:59] Speaker 2: total globe trade in everything from oil, natural gas, and
[2:04] Speaker 2: our whole collection of other things including textiles, it all
[2:08] Speaker 2: goes through this particular area. So instantly there is a
[2:12] Speaker 2: choke point, and that choke point is going to cause
[2:14] Speaker 2: major troubles around the world. In terms of Australia, Now,
[2:18] Speaker 2: Australia doesn't drill for much oil here and we don't
[2:21] Speaker 2: even refine much oil here. So where does Australia get
[2:25] Speaker 2: our oil from. We get it from Singapore, from South Korea,
[2:28] Speaker 2: from Japan, from China and Malaysia. So you're thinking, fuf
[2:32] Speaker 2: this doesn't affect us, Well, guess where Singapore, South Korea, Japan,
[2:36] Speaker 2: China and Malaysia get there oil from the UAE, Qatar,
[2:42] Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait. Can we bring that map up again
[2:46] Speaker 2: of the straight where obviously the UAE may be an
[2:51] Speaker 2: exit point, but with military from the United States on
[2:57] Speaker 2: the right of your screen, it's hard for any to
[3:00] Speaker 2: pass through those active areas because either Iran's trying to
[3:03] Speaker 2: hit those ships or they're saying anyone coming or going
[3:06] Speaker 2: is going to be the problem. Thankfully, in Australia, though,
[3:09] Speaker 2: to deal with this global crisis where we don't produce
[3:12] Speaker 2: enough oil, we don't produce in our fossil fuels that
[3:15] Speaker 2: we are able to use to power our car's machinery
[3:18] Speaker 2: or a whole lot of other things, we've got Chris Bowen,
[3:21] Speaker 2: the Energy Minister, acting like the bloke from Choice magazine.
[3:26] Speaker 5: There is no need to rush to the service station
[3:28] Speaker 5: and fill up. I do understand people's concerns, but it's
[3:32] Speaker 5: important that people know we do have a good stock
[3:35] Speaker 5: of petrol in reserve. There is no need for panic buying.
[3:39] Speaker 5: But we'll just make the situation worse.
[3:42] Speaker 1: We have about twenty five days worth a fuel that
[3:44] Speaker 1: is in stock.
[3:45] Speaker 2: Now Again, I don't want to panic people that we're
[3:47] Speaker 2: automatically digging into that reserve. There still is obviously a
[3:52] Speaker 2: fair amount that will flow from those Southeast Asian nations.
[3:56] Speaker 2: But at some point, depending on how long this goes,
[3:59] Speaker 2: it may be a few days, but we know the
[4:01] Speaker 2: promise is for it to go at least a month.
[4:04] Speaker 2: That choke point will eventually flow on. The most immediate
[4:08] Speaker 2: and obvious thing is that price is going to go
[4:10] Speaker 2: through the roof. The expectation is that by this time
[4:13] Speaker 2: next week we're going to be paying deep into two
[4:15] Speaker 2: dollars a lead, regardless of.
[4:17] Speaker 1: What you put into your car.
[4:19] Speaker 2: Third thing to tell you about at the start of
[4:21] Speaker 2: tonight's show, again before we start to move towards some
[4:24] Speaker 2: domestic news. Israel Is, as we speak, pushing into Lebanon.
[4:29] Speaker 2: The IDF have not spoken publicly, but have released the
[4:33] Speaker 2: following message online that IDF soldiers are operating in southern
[4:37] Speaker 2: Lebanon and a position at several points near the border
[4:40] Speaker 2: area as part of an entrenched forward defense posture. So
[4:45] Speaker 2: it's not just about launching things towards southern Lebanon, where
[4:49] Speaker 2: Hesblah has had control. Hesbla propped up by Iran, but
[4:54] Speaker 2: ground troops might be making their way or are in
[4:57] Speaker 2: Lebanon as we speak. We are conduct acting targeted strikes
[5:01] Speaker 2: against the Hesbela terrorist infrastructure. Hesbela chose to attack Israel
[5:07] Speaker 2: on behalf of the Iranian regime. It will be the
[5:09] Speaker 2: consequences of its actions. That's a live shot of what
[5:12] Speaker 2: is happening right now in the capital of Lebanon, Beirut.
[5:16] Speaker 2: There's even worse situations happening towards the south.
[5:20] Speaker 1: Now.
[5:20] Speaker 2: Remember ceasefires that applied to Lebanon at the end of
[5:25] Speaker 2: last year and to Gaza were hard fought for, hard negotiated.
[5:30] Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's all bets are off.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Certainly to the north of Israel, as they try to
[5:35] Speaker 2: keep themselves safe from the terrorists trying to do Iran's
[5:39] Speaker 2: bidding after the leadership of Iran was wiped out. Fourth
[5:43] Speaker 2: thing to tell you, more Americans have died in the
[5:45] Speaker 2: past twenty four hours. This causes trouble for pretty shaky
[5:51] Speaker 2: support in America for what is going on right now.
[5:54] Speaker 2: The New York Times has reported that the military debts
[5:56] Speaker 2: are now at six for the United States. They quote
[6:00] Speaker 2: that Central Command had reported that three service members and
[6:03] Speaker 2: five were seriously wounded on Sunday. Military officials said that
[6:06] Speaker 2: those troops were killed after Iranians struck a base housing
[6:10] Speaker 2: American troops in Kuwait on Monday morning. That's American time.
[6:14] Speaker 2: Remember they're only just turning into Tuesday morning now, where
[6:18] Speaker 2: at six minutes past five am in New York and
[6:21] Speaker 2: in DC on Monday morning, the Central Command has said
[6:25] Speaker 2: that one of the injured service members died as a
[6:28] Speaker 2: result of their wounds. Again, Monday afternoon, Central Command has
[6:31] Speaker 2: said that officials had received the remains of two previously
[6:34] Speaker 2: unaccounted for troops from.
[6:36] Speaker 1: The facility that was struck.
[6:38] Speaker 2: Hence, why we are now talking about six people who
[6:42] Speaker 2: are part of the American Defense Forces who have lost
[6:44] Speaker 2: their lives, which.
[6:45] Speaker 1: Brings me to point number five.
[6:48] Speaker 2: Not all, but parts of magaworld weren't thrilled about all
[6:52] Speaker 2: of this before it began, and their faith in what
[6:55] Speaker 2: is happening seems to weaken by the day, especially when
[6:59] Speaker 2: the death till of Americans starts to rise. Now much
[7:04] Speaker 2: has been read into supposedly a lack of endorsement that
[7:08] Speaker 2: was coming from somebody who's much closer to these mega officials,
[7:13] Speaker 2: that of course is the Vice President Jade Vance. Now,
[7:16] Speaker 2: he was of course put on the ticket in large
[7:20] Speaker 2: part because many of the voices who you're about to hear,
[7:23] Speaker 2: who are voicing their wobbles, said this was the man.
[7:26] Speaker 2: They stood by him during the wobbly parts of the
[7:29] Speaker 2: twenty twenty four campaign. But of course we all know
[7:31] Speaker 2: Trump is in charge. Plenty of noticed that the Vice president,
[7:35] Speaker 2: who is unafraid of a camera or a microphone and
[7:37] Speaker 2: pretty good with his fingers on social media, has not
[7:40] Speaker 2: been doing much since all of this started Saturday Australian time.
[7:44] Speaker 2: It's now even being reported in American political circles again
[7:48] Speaker 2: as the sun comes up there that allies are apparently
[7:53] Speaker 2: getting annoyed at the lack of chat that was coming
[7:56] Speaker 2: from JD.
[7:56] Speaker 1: Vance. Well, he's attempted to get out in front of that.
[7:59] Speaker 2: He did an interview just a few hours ago on
[8:02] Speaker 2: Fox News, where of course his support for the President
[8:05] Speaker 2: and his actions is bellicos.
[8:10] Speaker 6: He wanted to make sure that Iran could never have
[8:12] Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon, and that would require fundamentally a change
[8:15] Speaker 6: in mindset from the Iranian regime. So he saw that
[8:18] Speaker 6: the Iranian regime was weakened. He knew that they were
[8:20] Speaker 6: committed to getting on that brink of a nuclear weapon,
[8:24] Speaker 6: and he decided to take action because he felt that
[8:26] Speaker 6: was necessary in order to protect the nation's security.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Now again, I don't believe that this is the beginning
[8:31] Speaker 2: of another Iraq. I don't believe that this is the
[8:33] Speaker 2: beginning of a twenty year military conflict like Afghanistan. But
[8:38] Speaker 2: of course a big part of the MAGA agenda was
[8:41] Speaker 2: to frankly not do things like this. We know that
[8:45] Speaker 2: the timing was all related to the intelligence and the
[8:48] Speaker 2: Iranian leadership all being in one room at one time.
[8:51] Speaker 2: So this may well have been pressured up again for
[8:53] Speaker 2: weeks or months. But we are where we are because
[8:56] Speaker 2: of the intelligence and the opportunity to kill the Ayatola
[8:59] Speaker 2: and many of those who even the President had thought
[9:02] Speaker 2: would have been potentially successes. So again, these are some
[9:06] Speaker 2: of the voices that are backed in the president at
[9:08] Speaker 2: almost every turn, who are not backing this one.
[9:12] Speaker 7: My own feeling is no one should have to die
[9:15] Speaker 7: for a foreign country. I don't think those four service
[9:18] Speaker 7: members died for the United States. I think they died
[9:21] Speaker 7: for Iran or for Israel.
[9:23] Speaker 8: We should not do anything at all, anything outside the
[9:28] Speaker 8: borders of our country or within them, unless it will
[9:31] Speaker 8: first and foremost benefit American citizens.
[9:35] Speaker 9: And the truth is, and this is hard to say
[9:39] Speaker 9: as a proud American and as someone who wants the
[9:42] Speaker 9: United States to remain powerful in the world, force for
[9:47] Speaker 9: decency and order in the world, but above all wants
[9:50] Speaker 9: America to remain prosperous and peaceful at home in the
[9:53] Speaker 9: country that we actually live in. It's hard to say this,
[9:57] Speaker 9: but the United States didn't make this decision here Benjamin
[10:02] Speaker 9: netnya who did.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Now, obviously we get a chance to talk to Meghan
[10:06] Speaker 2: Kelly will do that tomorrow. I'll push back in a
[10:09] Speaker 2: little deeper on her thoughts on all of this. But again,
[10:13] Speaker 2: while I don't believe this is a Raq, while I
[10:14] Speaker 2: do not believe that this is Afghanistan, there is the
[10:18] Speaker 2: possibility of more Americans losing their lives. The President has
[10:21] Speaker 2: already made that very clear. Australian forces, which were not
[10:25] Speaker 2: involved in the strikes on Iran, well, as I've told
[10:28] Speaker 2: you tonight, they too are being targeted. And the expectation
[10:32] Speaker 2: is that for some reason, Iran seems to have this
[10:35] Speaker 2: limitless supply of drones. While their missile capability will eventually shrink,
[10:40] Speaker 2: apparently their drone capability remains particularly strong. So I show
[10:44] Speaker 2: you that, not as a way of backdooring my own
[10:46] Speaker 2: thoughts on it, but for you to know that those
[10:49] Speaker 2: who have helped the president in the past are not
[10:51] Speaker 2: seemingly there when it comes to this situation. As for Trump, though,
[10:55] Speaker 2: he's actually given again a series of off camera interviews,
[10:59] Speaker 2: This one he gave to a sub stack called Inner Circle,
[11:03] Speaker 2: where in a phone call with the podcast host, he
[11:06] Speaker 2: said that particularly Megan Kelly should study her history book
[11:10] Speaker 2: a little bit.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Meghan was supposed to be.
[11:13] Speaker 2: It was opposed to me for years when I ran
[11:15] Speaker 2: the first time, and nothing stopped me, Trump said, And
[11:18] Speaker 2: so you know some people are against they always come back.
[11:20] Speaker 1: She came all the way back.
[11:22] Speaker 2: But now I guess she doesn't get She doesn't like
[11:24] Speaker 2: the idea of this war, but I do because I
[11:27] Speaker 2: have to keep the nuclear weapons out of the hands
[11:29] Speaker 2: of Iranians.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Again.
[11:31] Speaker 2: Somebody who is a little more of that particular version
[11:34] Speaker 2: of Maga is the man who is the Secretary of War,
[11:38] Speaker 2: formerly known as the Secretary of Defense, and Pete Hegsett
[11:41] Speaker 2: spoke to this criticism directly today in Washington.
[11:46] Speaker 10: To the media outlets and political laugh screaming, endless wars stop.
[11:51] Speaker 1: This is not a rack, This is not endless.
[11:55] Speaker 3: I was there for both.
[11:57] Speaker 10: Our generation knows better, and so does this. He called
[12:01] Speaker 10: the last twenty years of nition building wars dumb, and
[12:05] Speaker 10: he's great.
[12:06] Speaker 1: This is the opposite.
[12:09] Speaker 10: This operation is a clear, devastating, decisive mission. Destroy the
[12:14] Speaker 10: missile threat, destroy the navy, no nukes again.
[12:18] Speaker 2: The details within the details, the accounting of the grains
[12:21] Speaker 2: of sand.
[12:22] Speaker 1: It's why you watch. It's my duty to tell you
[12:24] Speaker 1: about this stuff.
[12:25] Speaker 2: So remember part of this as well, is about who
[12:29] Speaker 2: wants to put their hand up to be the Republican
[12:31] Speaker 2: candidate and potentially replace as president Donald Trump. Yes, in
[12:35] Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, can you believe it? The election was
[12:38] Speaker 2: just last year, the midterms this year, and then effectively
[12:41] Speaker 2: there is the shadow primary, then the primary and election
[12:44] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight. So we know JdE Vance would
[12:47] Speaker 2: be the leading person to take over currently vice president.
[12:50] Speaker 2: We know that Pete Heigseth might potentially consider himself to
[12:53] Speaker 2: be a vice presidential candidate to a JD vance. But
[12:56] Speaker 2: there's another option in the room that may be where
[13:00] Speaker 2: Trump ends upgoing, and that is the Secretary of State,
[13:02] Speaker 2: the man who previously ran for president back in twenty sixteen,
[13:06] Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, and he is pulling no punches. In fact,
[13:09] Speaker 2: he's promising even bigger ones for a run tonight.
[13:13] Speaker 11: Again, I'm not going to give away the details of
[13:15] Speaker 11: our tactical efforts, but the hardest hits are yet to
[13:17] Speaker 11: come from the US military. The next phase will be
[13:20] Speaker 11: even more punishing on Iran than it is right now.
[13:23] Speaker 11: Someone will streaming how long will it take? I don't
[13:24] Speaker 11: know how long it'll take. We have objectives. We will
[13:27] Speaker 11: do this as long as it takes to achieve those objectives,
[13:29] Speaker 11: and we will achieve those objectives. The world will be
[13:31] Speaker 11: a safer place when we're done with this operation.
[13:35] Speaker 2: So I know you're watching more than ever before in
[13:38] Speaker 2: all of the different platforms, And thank you for turning
[13:40] Speaker 2: to us for that latest information at skynews dot com,
[13:44] Speaker 2: YouTube channels, this program and all of the other primetime
[13:47] Speaker 2: programs at night, and of course with the very first
[13:50] Speaker 2: news of the day and as it breaks throughout the day,
[13:52] Speaker 2: here on Sky News. But again my focus each and
[13:55] Speaker 2: every night is to try to give you that daily brush,
[13:58] Speaker 2: but also to tell you the very latest part of
[14:01] Speaker 2: the day. It does put a bit of pressure on
[14:04] Speaker 2: us to have the latest information, but I make sure
[14:06] Speaker 2: that that's what we have for you, and we'll do
[14:08] Speaker 2: that in a nice little bit at the start of
[14:10] Speaker 2: every night this week. But there's a country to talk about.
[14:13] Speaker 2: It's more important, of course, and that's ours. So let's
[14:15] Speaker 2: get to it here now. As you know, inflation has
[14:19] Speaker 2: been rising in Australia. It has been rising for many
[14:22] Speaker 2: months and we know that in part government spending is
[14:26] Speaker 2: to blame. We know that at the last reports that
[14:30] Speaker 2: inflation was back to a sixteen month high.
[14:34] Speaker 1: The result of that.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Was that we got an increase in interest rates in
[14:38] Speaker 2: February of this year. The announcement was clear that zero
[14:43] Speaker 2: point twenty five was the increase and the expectation was
[14:46] Speaker 2: that if inflation was set to increase then they would
[14:50] Speaker 2: get back and essentially a road that cuts that took
[14:52] Speaker 2: place last year. There were three of them. They've undone
[14:56] Speaker 2: one of them. We'll see what happens in the next
[14:58] Speaker 2: few weeks. Well, war in the Middle East means that
[15:03] Speaker 2: there is going to be another spike in inflation, see
[15:06] Speaker 2: what I just said before when it comes to oil.
[15:09] Speaker 2: But of course this government, rather than expecting its own
[15:13] Speaker 2: accepting its own responsibility for the inflation problem that it
[15:16] Speaker 2: has seen got out of control. The Australian inflation rate
[15:18] Speaker 2: is higher today. In fact, the day before the war
[15:21] Speaker 2: it was higher than the US, the UK, New Zealand
[15:24] Speaker 2: or Canada. But we have been prepared for the ultimate
[15:29] Speaker 2: excuse for a government that has let inflation go back into.
[15:33] Speaker 1: The red zone.
[15:35] Speaker 12: Global uncertainty is really one of the defining influences on
[15:38] Speaker 12: our economy at the moment.
[15:39] Speaker 13: We are living in a time of significant global uncertainty,
[15:44] Speaker 13: and that reaches beyond just economic instability.
[15:47] Speaker 12: That global environment is going to constrain us. It's going
[15:51] Speaker 12: to shape our choices. It's going to be such an
[15:53] Speaker 12: important influence and it's an important influence on monetary policies.
[15:56] Speaker 13: And secured the resilience of our economy. In a time
[16:00] Speaker 13: of global uncertainty.
[16:01] Speaker 12: People are still under pressure and the global environment is
[16:05] Speaker 12: so uncertain. A big focus of the budget will be inflation,
[16:10] Speaker 12: but also productivity and against the backdrop of this global
[16:15] Speaker 12: economic uncertainty.
[16:19] Speaker 2: Well, of course, the expectation is that what you are
[16:21] Speaker 2: seeing right now is going to affect inflation.
[16:24] Speaker 1: It is mostly going to be petrol prices.
[16:26] Speaker 2: But as we know the cost of petrol prices, the
[16:29] Speaker 2: problems that come as a result of energy where they
[16:33] Speaker 2: feed into things, petrol which on the oil markets now
[16:36] Speaker 2: is up ninety three percent day on day, will eventually
[16:39] Speaker 2: start going through the roof. That will affect inflation, meaning
[16:43] Speaker 2: that will be what this government will blame for everything.
[16:46] Speaker 1: But do not forget.
[16:47] Speaker 2: For multiple months before a shot was fired, the problem
[16:52] Speaker 2: was this government and our inflation was higher than anyone else.
[16:58] Speaker 2: As Parliament has returned this week, there has been a
[17:00] Speaker 2: lot of attention, understandably trying to call the balls and
[17:03] Speaker 2: strikes of question time about whether a new leader has
[17:06] Speaker 2: done anything different for the Liberal Party. As I've shown
[17:09] Speaker 2: you before in both Newspoll and Redbridge, there's been no
[17:13] Speaker 2: change to one nation. The slight upticks have come one
[17:17] Speaker 2: point off the Greens and one point off Labor, particularly
[17:19] Speaker 2: when it comes to Newspoll. So there's a lot of
[17:21] Speaker 2: pressure on how the Libs are performing in the Parliament.
[17:25] Speaker 2: Andrew Clenell watches it every day for us and does
[17:28] Speaker 2: a postgame straight after question time about three point fifteen
[17:31] Speaker 2: on sitting days. Look, with Angus Taylor in charge, it's
[17:34] Speaker 2: more lively than it was with Susan Lee in charge.
[17:37] Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. We've only had two question times,
[17:39] Speaker 1: but that's the signal at the moment.
[17:43] Speaker 2: But sadly, the forces inside the Liberal Party that seem
[17:46] Speaker 2: to not be able to get out of their own
[17:48] Speaker 2: way have not been able to get out of their
[17:50] Speaker 2: own way, letting a bad government off the hook again.
[17:54] Speaker 2: Last week, a ridiculous decision was made by several people
[17:57] Speaker 2: in the upper eational longs of the Liberal Party, which
[17:59] Speaker 2: was to not release the review into the disaster that
[18:04] Speaker 2: was the last federal election. Now parts of this have
[18:08] Speaker 2: been leaked, and then they were tabled today for all
[18:12] Speaker 2: to see and read, not by the Liberals but by
[18:15] Speaker 2: a prime Minister wanting to make the subject anything but
[18:19] Speaker 2: his own lack of performance.
[18:21] Speaker 14: Now there's a little report, the review of the twenty
[18:25] Speaker 14: twenty five federal election, mister speaker, by those opposite now
[18:30] Speaker 14: master about transparency, mister speaker, they don't get to read
[18:34] Speaker 14: their reports on a tablet for them so that they
[18:38] Speaker 14: can read the report about the diabolical campaign that they ran.
[18:44] Speaker 2: Now, I'm sorry all of the people sitting up in
[18:47] Speaker 2: the press gallery in the Prime Minister's pocket, giggling and
[18:49] Speaker 2: giggling and clapping along in all those MPs. You don't
[18:53] Speaker 2: give any reward to the Prime Minister here, because when
[18:55] Speaker 2: it comes to secrecy, he is the champion in Canberra.
[19:00] Speaker 2: Remember when the Senate asked for documents about the effect
[19:03] Speaker 2: of this government and electricity prices, where you've got redaction, redaction, redaction,
[19:08] Speaker 2: as if it was a national secret. We learned today
[19:12] Speaker 2: that there are one hundred and sixty nine things that
[19:15] Speaker 2: have been put into the two hard basket and are
[19:17] Speaker 2: being slow played the ball by the government that is
[19:20] Speaker 2: trying to keep its own issues secret. And don't forget
[19:25] Speaker 2: this is a government that wants to automatically ban most
[19:29] Speaker 2: people from being able to get information out of the
[19:32] Speaker 2: government about the decision it is making by trying to
[19:34] Speaker 2: change the freedom of information laws. So I get it
[19:38] Speaker 2: the bread and circuses game, but I will not cop
[19:40] Speaker 2: any sort of a gold star for the Prime Minister
[19:43] Speaker 2: rubbing his political oppositions.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Knows in it that said the.
[19:47] Speaker 2: Liberal Party had problems. They have problems that we have
[19:50] Speaker 2: talked about Uphill and down Dale since the events of
[19:53] Speaker 2: May last year. I have been unabashed, unashamed in calling
[19:58] Speaker 2: these out and commanding a much better process about the
[20:03] Speaker 2: side of government that four and a half million people
[20:06] Speaker 2: wanted to become the government. How they stuffed it up.
[20:09] Speaker 2: They were leading in the polls, remember, but of course
[20:12] Speaker 2: they lost big time.
[20:13] Speaker 1: So what is in the report? Recommendation one.
[20:16] Speaker 2: The campaign director is and must be a campaign professional
[20:19] Speaker 2: whose job it is to run the campaign. The leader
[20:22] Speaker 2: in his office must work extremely closely with the federal
[20:24] Speaker 2: director and his team or their team. Sorry, it's not
[20:26] Speaker 2: always a man on planning and executing the campaign strategy
[20:29] Speaker 2: and tactics. But it is the federal director as campaign
[20:33] Speaker 2: director who must be seen as the one overall in
[20:36] Speaker 2: charge of the campaign. Apparently there was too much control
[20:39] Speaker 2: that was happening from the former opposition leader and his team.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Apparently.
[20:43] Speaker 2: I don't know what the examples are, but that's what
[20:45] Speaker 2: they found. Recommendation seven. The Parliamentary Party, which is the
[20:49] Speaker 2: privilege of determining federal party policies, must in future, especially
[20:53] Speaker 2: in opposition, comply with its obligations under the Constitution. To
[20:57] Speaker 2: consult with the party organization on the formulation of policy.
[21:01] Speaker 2: So what head office needs to be in charge of
[21:03] Speaker 2: the ideas? Now, remember a lot of people who end
[21:07] Speaker 2: up in head office. Their loyalties aren't aways necessarily to
[21:09] Speaker 2: the success of those that are on the front line.
[21:13] Speaker 2: And everyone knows about the factions. That would be a
[21:15] Speaker 2: backdoor way of certain factions having control regardless of who
[21:18] Speaker 2: the leader is Recommendation eight. During the campaign, the leader
[21:22] Speaker 2: should be can you believe this? You're good enough to
[21:23] Speaker 2: be the prime minister, but you should be accompanied by
[21:26] Speaker 2: on the traveling team a senior parliamentary colleague able to
[21:29] Speaker 2: provide alternative source of advice.
[21:31] Speaker 1: How to be able to.
[21:31] Speaker 2: Link with MPs and candidates, as has occurred in previous
[21:35] Speaker 2: federal campaigns. Now, again, that would seem.
[21:37] Speaker 3: To be logical.
[21:38] Speaker 2: I don't know why it wasn't the case in twenty
[21:40] Speaker 2: twenty five, but can you believe this makes it to
[21:42] Speaker 2: writing Recommendation nine? The party must never again rely on
[21:46] Speaker 2: one research firm. It's note whether that the ALP had
[21:49] Speaker 2: several polling companies, but the Liberal Party as we know
[21:52] Speaker 2: it all backed in one who was also working for
[21:54] Speaker 2: the National Party and other clients during the federal campaign
[21:57] Speaker 2: that was fresh water and their poll rubbish.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Recommendation fifteen.
[22:03] Speaker 2: I go through this in detail because I'm guessing a
[22:05] Speaker 2: lot of people watching this show voted for the side
[22:10] Speaker 2: that lost, lost badly and hasn't even been able to
[22:13] Speaker 2: be publicly honest about how and why it lost. Recommendation fifteen.
[22:17] Speaker 2: The female vote is clearly a problem for the Liberal Party.
[22:19] Speaker 2: This is a disgraceful line. By the way, the combination
[22:22] Speaker 2: of a leader unattractive to women and policies or messaging
[22:25] Speaker 2: that alienated women appears to have been a major factor
[22:27] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. The review calls for another review
[22:33] Speaker 2: into these things. Recommendation sixteen. This is the last one.
[22:37] Speaker 2: Broadening the support of the base is necessary to reflect
[22:41] Speaker 2: a more modern Australia. The party must develop renewable strategies
[22:44] Speaker 2: engagement with multicultural communities in young people, in which MPs
[22:47] Speaker 2: are held accountable for their engagement efforts. Well, thanks, scoop,
[22:51] Speaker 2: but what about the Prime Minister today? Look at me
[22:53] Speaker 2: over here, over here, I'm going to change the subject.
[22:56] Speaker 1: How ridiculous. All right, Michael Schubridge is going to join
[23:00] Speaker 1: us now.
[23:00] Speaker 2: He is The Strategic Analysis Australia director, and he joins
[23:04] Speaker 2: us now to talk about what's been happening in Iran. Now, Michael,
[23:08] Speaker 2: what I'm fascinated here is at some point Iran theoretically
[23:11] Speaker 2: runs out of missiles. We know that they could well
[23:14] Speaker 2: be supplied by Russia, they could be on some level
[23:17] Speaker 2: reinforced by China. But let's talk about drones because that
[23:21] Speaker 2: seems to be something that Russia has used in Ukraine,
[23:24] Speaker 2: and Iran is using in part as we see today
[23:26] Speaker 2: to even go after Australians in Dubai. How strong is
[23:30] Speaker 2: their drone game, Paul.
[23:35] Speaker 15: You're right to focus on it. It's very strong, and
[23:37] Speaker 15: they make them themselves. In fact, the damaging drones that
[23:41] Speaker 15: Russia has used were initially supplied by Iran, and now
[23:45] Speaker 15: they're Russian copies of that Jahad drone. Even the Americans
[23:50] Speaker 15: have copied the Iranian Jahad drone. They've got something called
[23:53] Speaker 15: the Lucas which is a direct copy of the Shahad
[23:56] Speaker 15: and they've used it against Iran. That's kind of ironic.
[24:00] Speaker 15: Those Iranian Shahad drones have proven more effective at getting
[24:05] Speaker 15: through Gulf State in American and Israeli defenses than missiles.
[24:09] Speaker 15: So far and the Iranians can keep launching them. They
[24:13] Speaker 15: don't need to specialized missile launches they need for their
[24:17] Speaker 15: missile arsenal.
[24:19] Speaker 2: Well I was reading in the Japan Times that these
[24:21] Speaker 2: things cost about twenty four thousand dollars. The missiles that
[24:24] Speaker 2: are being used to go after them cost what four
[24:26] Speaker 2: million dollars, So again the cost and the ability to
[24:30] Speaker 2: make more drones than missiles. We assume part of what's
[24:35] Speaker 2: being targeted by the US in Israel would be where
[24:37] Speaker 2: these things are being manufactured. Do we have any insight
[24:41] Speaker 2: into whether their capacity to do this is being damaged
[24:45] Speaker 2: because it does seem to be something that can extend
[24:48] Speaker 2: the lethality of what they're trying to do in response
[24:52] Speaker 2: to the US in Israel.
[24:56] Speaker 15: There hasn't been good data on drone production for se
[25:00] Speaker 15: is being struck by Israel or America, but you can
[25:03] Speaker 15: bet they're high on the target list. We know munitions
[25:06] Speaker 15: manufacturing and missile production have been targets and struck, but
[25:11] Speaker 15: think about the Hooties. The Hooties fought the US Navy
[25:15] Speaker 15: to a standstill over the Red Sea, and they managed
[25:19] Speaker 15: to keep putting drones together and missiles together, building some
[25:23] Speaker 15: themselves while being pummeled by the Americans. If the Hooties
[25:28] Speaker 15: can do that, the Iranians can too. And I think
[25:31] Speaker 15: the drone is more effective. It's cheaper, it's easier to conceal,
[25:36] Speaker 15: and you don't need the big launcher that missiles do.
[25:40] Speaker 15: So we'll see more drone attacks in the coming days
[25:43] Speaker 15: and weeks.
[25:44] Speaker 2: So obviously for one of a bit of term, the payload,
[25:47] Speaker 2: the punch that comes with the missile is bigger. But
[25:51] Speaker 2: how much damage can a drone do? I'll move off
[25:54] Speaker 2: drones next, But how much damage can it do? Is
[25:57] Speaker 2: it something that is able to file multiple shots and
[26:01] Speaker 2: therefore is able to target an individual? But is it
[26:04] Speaker 2: enough of a payload to whack into a ship? Like
[26:07] Speaker 2: how hardcore is the payload?
[26:10] Speaker 15: It's like a flying bomb, so you could see the
[26:14] Speaker 15: damage it's done to buildings. So one of them struck
[26:17] Speaker 15: that hotel in Dubai, It's set fire to a large
[26:21] Speaker 15: oil storage facility in Amman, and two drones hit the
[26:25] Speaker 15: US embassy in Saudi Arabia today, not causing extensive damage.
[26:29] Speaker 15: They've also damaged Amazon data centers and Amazon's struggling to
[26:34] Speaker 15: get them back to work, so they're like a flying bomb.
[26:37] Speaker 2: So what I'm interested in here is that one of
[26:40] Speaker 2: the reasons why seemingly there's been a series of red
[26:43] Speaker 2: lines that means there's only so much you can do
[26:46] Speaker 2: to Iran. There's only so hard you can shake the cage,
[26:48] Speaker 2: there's only so deep you can kick the hornet's nest.
[26:52] Speaker 2: Metaphor upon metaphor here, But you get my point is
[26:55] Speaker 2: because it's not like taking on a Saddam Hussein, not
[27:00] Speaker 2: like taking on the previous leadership, which is of course
[27:03] Speaker 2: back in charge in Afghanistan. So the expectation here more
[27:10] Speaker 2: lives and this thing could go as long as a month.
[27:13] Speaker 2: But what is your insight here into Iran's capacity to
[27:21] Speaker 2: keep fighting, because at some point there'll be missiles that
[27:25] Speaker 2: they'll run out of in the strait, the Americans trying
[27:29] Speaker 2: to shoot back, and presumably whatever's coming to reload them
[27:32] Speaker 2: becomes a target as well.
[27:36] Speaker 1: Well.
[27:37] Speaker 15: There's a balance between how much defensive stuff to the Israelis,
[27:41] Speaker 15: the Gulf States and the Americans have. And you're right,
[27:44] Speaker 15: those things like the Patriot missile interceptors, which are very effective,
[27:49] Speaker 15: are extraordinarily expensive. You know, four million dollars are missile
[27:53] Speaker 15: the thad Theater. High altitude area defense is also extraordinary,
[28:00] Speaker 15: wateringly expensive, and the Americans aren't making enough of them
[28:04] Speaker 15: to refill their stockpiles. So the Americans need to destroy
[28:09] Speaker 15: the missile and missile launch capabilities of around really quickly.
[28:12] Speaker 1: But they'll still be vulnerable.
[28:14] Speaker 15: To the cheaper drones, and so the war if it extends,
[28:19] Speaker 15: for Iran to keep attacking, it'll be drone attacks and
[28:24] Speaker 15: that's the problem. And the Americans are putting more planes
[28:27] Speaker 15: into the region. The Israelis have broadened the war against
[28:31] Speaker 15: Hezbola now because Hezbola can fire missiles into Israel. This
[28:35] Speaker 15: is likely to be extended, and Iran just has not
[28:39] Speaker 15: to lose. They don't have to win, they just have
[28:42] Speaker 15: to soak it up and not lose.
[28:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, that concept of sort of tiring out the enemy.
[28:46] Speaker 2: This again has been part of the theory about what's
[28:48] Speaker 2: been playing out in Ukraine that's sticked over four years
[28:51] Speaker 2: into the fifty year.
[28:52] Speaker 1: Of that conflict.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Michael, thank you for the insight. I really appreciate it.
[28:55] Speaker 2: I think lots of people watching will have got a
[28:57] Speaker 2: lot out of what you've just said. I know I
[28:58] Speaker 2: have particularly that question of which I think we will
[29:01] Speaker 2: continue to focus on in the next little while. Thank
[29:02] Speaker 2: you for all your efforts and helping us out tonight. Thanks,
[29:07] Speaker 2: thank you. All right, quick break back we're more back
[29:09] Speaker 2: to domestic issues. We shall do so straight after the break.
[29:12] Speaker 2: We'll be joined by Linda Scott and Sean Bell from
[29:15] Speaker 2: One Nation.
[29:15] Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll agree on everything.
[29:17] Speaker 2: We're in a sec year on Paul Murray Live, and
[29:19] Speaker 2: don't forget Nigel Farage as well, big accusations about some
[29:22] Speaker 2: fraud that's happening in the UK election system. His thoughts
[29:25] Speaker 2: when it comes to Iran don't move. You've got a
[29:28] Speaker 2: great half hour head. Thank you so much for watching us.
[29:36] Speaker 2: We have got plenty to talk about on the show,
[29:38] Speaker 2: including don't forget Nigel Farrage. A little bit later, the
[29:40] Speaker 2: wonderful Linda Scott is here as always to fight to
[29:45] Speaker 2: give the other side.
[29:46] Speaker 1: Shawn Bell.
[29:46] Speaker 2: Of course, we're presenting One Nation in the Federal Parliament,
[29:48] Speaker 2: Senator for New South Wales. Lovely to see you, Senator.
[29:51] Speaker 2: I'm just going to quickly without notice ask a question here.
[29:54] Speaker 2: I was fascinated to see you in Farah shortly after
[29:57] Speaker 2: there was a chance of a by election.
[29:59] Speaker 1: Now it's its way. How close is one nation to
[30:02] Speaker 1: getting close to having a candidate? There? Paul?
[30:08] Speaker 16: That was that was actually the second time I've been
[30:10] Speaker 16: to Farrett was the first electric I visited. And the
[30:13] Speaker 16: support there, it's huge, And I can say right now
[30:16] Speaker 16: we are very close. We'll be finalizing a candidate this weekend.
[30:20] Speaker 16: So we've actually got three candidates. They've been publicly announced.
[30:23] Speaker 16: People be able to find out their names and they
[30:24] Speaker 16: look for them, and that'll be this weekend we'll know
[30:26] Speaker 16: who the candidate is.
[30:27] Speaker 1: All right, good stuff.
[30:27] Speaker 2: I know, I like the cogs moving of I know
[30:30] Speaker 2: what I know, but I don't know what I can say.
[30:32] Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. But thank you for
[30:33] Speaker 2: giving us a little peak at what will be happening
[30:35] Speaker 2: this weekend. All right, So let's talk about the latest
[30:38] Speaker 2: opinion polls, because with the war, I haven't a chance
[30:40] Speaker 2: to dig as deep as I normally do into these things.
[30:44] Speaker 2: It again shows us one nation not moving right. Supposedly,
[30:48] Speaker 2: the changes when it came to the Liberal Party getting
[30:51] Speaker 2: rid of its zero that was going to jumpstart something,
[30:54] Speaker 2: and then a change of leader that was going to
[30:55] Speaker 2: jump start something, but apparently one point and that's all
[30:57] Speaker 2: statistical era frankly comes from the lab Party, comes from
[31:01] Speaker 2: the Greens. One nation doesn't move at all. In fact,
[31:05] Speaker 2: even once you jump into the red Bridge polling, one
[31:08] Speaker 2: nation's actually gone up by two points in the past month,
[31:11] Speaker 2: regardless of the changes that have happened. When it comes
[31:13] Speaker 2: to the coalition, Linda, I don't expect you to say
[31:16] Speaker 2: anything kind about the new leadership of the coalition here,
[31:20] Speaker 2: but do you see any vulnerabilities to a certain type
[31:24] Speaker 2: of Labor voter who might want to go not to
[31:26] Speaker 2: the Greens but to One Nation. Do you see any
[31:29] Speaker 2: vulnerability there or it's only for the Libs.
[31:32] Speaker 1: To worry about. No.
[31:33] Speaker 17: I mean, I think Labor always asks for people based
[31:36] Speaker 17: on their vote, and we do it on the basis
[31:39] Speaker 17: of a policy suite where we think it's the best
[31:41] Speaker 17: thing for the nation. We don't take any votes for granted,
[31:44] Speaker 17: but I do think, you know, Sean and others who
[31:46] Speaker 17: represent one Nation need to be able to answer for
[31:49] Speaker 17: what they're doing in our federal Parliament. And you know,
[31:52] Speaker 17: when they're talking to working voters, when they're talking to
[31:55] Speaker 17: people about why they're voted against same job, same pay,
[31:58] Speaker 17: you know, so that we're people in one job being
[32:01] Speaker 17: a flight attendant won't get paid less working for another
[32:04] Speaker 17: company being a flight attendant, while they've voted against penalty rates,
[32:08] Speaker 17: while they voted against a range of things for working Australians.
[32:12] Speaker 17: But then they come on this show, you Sean or
[32:15] Speaker 17: your colleague James Ashby, and you know, talk about how
[32:18] Speaker 17: much you love working people. I think it's really important
[32:21] Speaker 17: that you know, communities ask you why you're going to
[32:25] Speaker 17: Parliament and not voting in working people's interests. And I
[32:28] Speaker 17: think the Labor Party, Paul will keep proudly making that
[32:31] Speaker 17: case that we are fighting for better working people's lives,
[32:35] Speaker 17: their pay and conditions, their rights at work. We've always
[32:39] Speaker 17: done that. We're very proud of that. But one nation's
[32:41] Speaker 17: got to tell us why they're not doing that.
[32:44] Speaker 2: Senator, this is something that's happened multiple weeks in a
[32:47] Speaker 2: row with James as the supposed hit on the party.
[32:51] Speaker 2: What's your response to what Linda just said?
[32:59] Speaker 1: One nation us, sir, So.
[33:01] Speaker 16: The second of March was actually thirty year anniversary of
[33:05] Speaker 16: Senator Hansen first being elected in this Parliament and she
[33:09] Speaker 16: is stood strong the entire time, and she has stood
[33:12] Speaker 16: strong in the face of just lies, smears, attacks, tricks,
[33:17] Speaker 16: you name it. And so that's why I'm absolutely not
[33:20] Speaker 16: surprised that polling numbers are still so strong, because we
[33:23] Speaker 16: know the Australian people they're not going to fall for
[33:27] Speaker 16: these tired tricks and games we hear from the mouths
[33:31] Speaker 16: of labor politicians, the Prime Minister and their supporters, because
[33:35] Speaker 16: what they want is real policies that will deliver real
[33:38] Speaker 16: cost of living relief for Australian people. That means scrapping
[33:42] Speaker 16: that zero, that means dealing with the mass immigration crisis
[33:46] Speaker 16: that we've seen explode under the alban Ezy labor government.
[33:49] Speaker 16: It means supporting coalfire power. That is how you deliver
[33:54] Speaker 16: real relief to the Australian people, to Australian families. And
[33:59] Speaker 16: what we've seen from the other and easy labor government
[34:01] Speaker 16: is a continued support for Net zero, which is driving
[34:05] Speaker 16: up power prices, which is driving up inflation, which is
[34:08] Speaker 16: delivering real pain. So I am I'm so proud of
[34:14] Speaker 16: what nation's work and our policies, and we will continue
[34:17] Speaker 16: to turn up to Parliament and in the streets and
[34:22] Speaker 16: in the electorates, and we will continue to tell voters
[34:26] Speaker 16: our policies, our positions, and that we will continue, we
[34:29] Speaker 16: will continue to deliver real solutions for the Australian people.
[34:33] Speaker 1: Nice talk, shot, Well done.
[34:34] Speaker 2: All right, let's get to other issues here, because again
[34:37] Speaker 2: I have a version that we'll be having a version
[34:39] Speaker 2: of this debate for many, many weeks, many many months.
[34:41] Speaker 2: So bobca former Foreign Minister, has come out. He's joining
[34:46] Speaker 2: those that are critical of what he's taking place in
[34:48] Speaker 2: Iran right now. Sean, how do you feel about what's
[34:53] Speaker 2: playing out in Iran? And obviously Australia has skin in
[34:57] Speaker 2: the game one the Ran in diaspora. We want them
[35:01] Speaker 2: to get the country that they want, that they deserve.
[35:07] Speaker 2: Obviously this is the way in part that that is happening.
[35:11] Speaker 2: But as we know, Australian soldiers came under fire thankfully
[35:14] Speaker 2: nobody was injured as part of the response. What's your
[35:17] Speaker 2: thought of what's playing out in Iran right now, Paul?
[35:23] Speaker 16: I think it's very unsurprising to see these comments from
[35:26] Speaker 16: a labor luminary like Bob Carr, because this is the
[35:29] Speaker 16: same bloke we saw marching on the bridge in front
[35:33] Speaker 16: of a picture of the eyetoler terrorist who's thankfully no
[35:37] Speaker 16: longer with us. And I think what it represents is
[35:40] Speaker 16: a really toxic and sadly prevalent.
[35:43] Speaker 1: Faction within the Labor Party.
[35:45] Speaker 16: And you know, these are the Prime Minister's mates, you know,
[35:48] Speaker 16: we know that despite what we might hear, that at
[35:51] Speaker 16: the end of the day, a lot of the people
[35:52] Speaker 16: in the Labor Party agree with the sentiment of Bob Carr,
[35:56] Speaker 16: which is really quite disgraceful because what is happened and
[36:00] Speaker 16: war is always a tragedy, but what is happening right
[36:03] Speaker 16: now is the result of no one other than the
[36:06] Speaker 16: Iranian government a terrorist supporting organization.
[36:09] Speaker 3: You know.
[36:10] Speaker 16: What we've got is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which
[36:13] Speaker 16: is a prescribed terrorist organization.
[36:16] Speaker 7: You know.
[36:16] Speaker 16: Is this that is what is the heart of this.
[36:18] Speaker 16: That is the Eye Toller terrorist supporter, you know. And
[36:23] Speaker 16: so anyone who is lamenting this, anyone who is lamenting
[36:27] Speaker 16: the sort of the death of the Eye Toller, anyone
[36:29] Speaker 16: who's out there, you know, and also undermining our allies,
[36:32] Speaker 16: dismissing our allies, dismissing the United States and israel I
[36:36] Speaker 16: think they need to take a very long, hard look
[36:38] Speaker 16: at themselves because it's utterly disgraceful.
[36:41] Speaker 2: Part of his argument is about the legality of all
[36:43] Speaker 2: of this, but of course that is ducated by the
[36:46] Speaker 2: international courts, of which the United States and Israel do
[36:50] Speaker 2: not recognize. So again, the conversation about that is essentially
[36:54] Speaker 2: one that is good for a dinner party, but doesn't
[36:56] Speaker 2: actually end up going anywhere. Linda, your thoughts on bobka
[37:00] Speaker 2: and his position. Again, there are echoes, and I've shown
[37:03] Speaker 2: this before here about sort of parts of the Mega
[37:05] Speaker 2: movement that aren't all that in on it. But I
[37:07] Speaker 2: wouldn't imagine bobcas can be lining up with many of those.
[37:11] Speaker 17: Look, I mean, I think the Labor Party has for
[37:13] Speaker 17: many years advocated for we have in our platform that
[37:16] Speaker 17: we support and international rules based order, and you know
[37:19] Speaker 17: that's the thing that keeps our world very peaceful. So
[37:21] Speaker 17: I think it is very important that all people in
[37:24] Speaker 17: the Labor Party, all representatives of the Labor Party, continue
[37:27] Speaker 17: to advocate for that and stand up for that principle.
[37:31] Speaker 17: It's a deeply volatile time. The government has acknowledged that
[37:35] Speaker 17: they didn't have warning before the US struck Iran. It
[37:39] Speaker 17: is a very scary time for Iranians here in Australia.
[37:43] Speaker 17: I know, you know, my friend in college, Jerome Laxar
[37:46] Speaker 17: was speaking about his constituency and been along recently talking
[37:49] Speaker 17: to Iranians Australians, of course, many of whom are celebrating
[37:54] Speaker 17: the end of the Iranian regime, but they're also terrified
[37:58] Speaker 17: for the safety and security of their loved ones who
[38:01] Speaker 17: continue to live in Iran in the Middle East. So
[38:04] Speaker 17: it's a deeply worrying time. I've said this before. I
[38:07] Speaker 17: think it's very important that we try to ensure that
[38:10] Speaker 17: we don't bring hatred from overseas here to Australia. We've
[38:16] Speaker 17: seen various security threats rising, the temperature rising, these debates.
[38:22] Speaker 17: I think we need to just be really responsible about
[38:24] Speaker 17: how we do that and try and carry on as
[38:27] Speaker 17: best we can here in Australia, in this wonderful multicultural society.
[38:31] Speaker 2: Something that may unite you both, which is very little
[38:34] Speaker 2: interest in the healthy future of the Liberal Party, but
[38:36] Speaker 2: still it's worth talking to both of you about. Which
[38:39] Speaker 2: is a decision that I disagreed with at the time
[38:41] Speaker 2: said it and certainly double down tonight. The idea of
[38:44] Speaker 2: one of the things I said in memory after the
[38:46] Speaker 2: election was that you don't just have to have a review,
[38:48] Speaker 2: you have to be seen to be having a review.
[38:50] Speaker 1: It has to be seen to be public.
[38:52] Speaker 2: When you've lost as many seats as they have since
[38:54] Speaker 2: twenty two, you have to look at not just demographics,
[38:56] Speaker 2: but a whole lot that's deeper. I know there was
[38:59] Speaker 2: this review, but I don't know how many former candidates,
[39:02] Speaker 2: I don't know what public forums. As best as I
[39:05] Speaker 2: can see, none of that has happened. I thought the
[39:07] Speaker 2: Prime Minister was a smart ass frankly today by trying
[39:10] Speaker 2: to table the document that had previously been largely released.
[39:15] Speaker 1: Why because when his.
[39:17] Speaker 2: Government is asked for information about what's happening right now,
[39:20] Speaker 2: not about an election campaign that didn't result in the
[39:22] Speaker 2: change of government, but what is happening right now inside
[39:24] Speaker 2: the government, well they hand out redacted documents.
[39:27] Speaker 1: They're trying to change the law to lock off.
[39:29] Speaker 2: People's access, claiming that anything that sort of even gets
[39:32] Speaker 2: a whiff of the cabinet table will be unavailable for
[39:35] Speaker 2: fifty years under freedom of information legislation. And of course
[39:39] Speaker 2: we've seen before there are all sorts of reports like
[39:41] Speaker 2: jobs for Mates and all the rest of it where
[39:43] Speaker 2: there's slow played the ball. So no credit to the
[39:45] Speaker 2: Prime Minister for the smart arsery. But I understand it's
[39:47] Speaker 2: often about theater and guess what made the six pm
[39:49] Speaker 2: news tonight. No pointing out about the limits of the
[39:52] Speaker 2: Prime minister's cleanliness when it comes to transparency. But again, Linda,
[40:00] Speaker 2: they lost big, but they were winning at a certain point.
[40:03] Speaker 2: And again this is often I know history will say
[40:06] Speaker 2: the scoreboard is went backwards in twenty two, went further
[40:09] Speaker 2: backwards in twenty five, There's no question about that. But
[40:13] Speaker 2: the broad consensus was towards the end of last year
[40:16] Speaker 2: we were starting to get to fifty to fifty, maybe
[40:17] Speaker 2: a little higher, maybe a little lower, depending on how
[40:20] Speaker 2: things were. There were demographic subgroups that meant things were
[40:24] Speaker 2: perhaps going to be tight. But in part the campaign
[40:28] Speaker 2: was part of what led to the blowout. Why on
[40:30] Speaker 2: God's earth would they just sit on this as opposed
[40:33] Speaker 2: to as soon as they got it, throw it out there,
[40:34] Speaker 2: take the two days of beatings and move on.
[40:36] Speaker 17: Yeah, I have to admit even I was surprised to
[40:39] Speaker 17: see the Liberal Party try and cover up this election review.
[40:42] Speaker 17: I mean, labor nashes and bears our teeth after election
[40:45] Speaker 17: victories and election losses. And we're very public about releasing
[40:49] Speaker 17: these documents, and you know, we tend to have the
[40:51] Speaker 17: fight at our conferences and we debate these in the
[40:54] Speaker 17: public domain. So I was really surprised to see the
[40:57] Speaker 17: Liberal Party trying not to release this, and I do
[41:00] Speaker 17: think there's an inevitability about the fact that it was
[41:02] Speaker 17: going to be leaked. It was obviously leaked to journalist
[41:05] Speaker 17: Nicky savagn has now been tabled in the Parliament, so
[41:07] Speaker 17: I'm sure it'll be all over the newspapers tomorrow. But
[41:10] Speaker 17: I was thinking, you know, the opposition needs to have
[41:13] Speaker 17: a look at themselves and have a look at their policies,
[41:15] Speaker 17: like nuclear power plants were deeply unpopular. They learn that
[41:23] Speaker 17: lesson and well, I think they took that to the election.
[41:26] Speaker 17: It was shown to be deeply unpopular. The review has
[41:29] Speaker 17: analyzed that. I hope they changed their policy on that, genuinely.
[41:32] Speaker 17: I hope they learn from the campaign and the review
[41:35] Speaker 17: and they change their policies.
[41:36] Speaker 2: All right, thank you guys to do appreciate it. Nige
[41:38] Speaker 2: Farras are standing by. Let's go to him straight after
[41:40] Speaker 2: this break. There was a lot to get to around
[41:42] Speaker 2: the world and at home for him, including a by
[41:45] Speaker 2: election that the smell is all the way over on
[41:48] Speaker 2: the other side of the world.
[41:49] Speaker 1: We'll get to Nigel next.
[41:56] Speaker 3: In time for the man who's never born.
[42:00] Speaker 2: He's a good man, Niger Farras of course, these leader
[42:02] Speaker 2: of the Reform Party, and he joins us now from
[42:04] Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. Nigel, love you to see you, mate.
[42:07] Speaker 2: It's been fascinating to watch. And again after our show
[42:10] Speaker 2: goes off, the line off and you'll see live broadcasts
[42:12] Speaker 2: on the Reform YouTube page. So I'm right across all
[42:15] Speaker 2: the press conferences you've been doing in great detail in
[42:18] Speaker 2: the past a couple of days, including your comments when
[42:20] Speaker 2: it comes to Iran. What's your thoughts about what is
[42:23] Speaker 2: playing out and the UK Prime Minister not wanting to
[42:26] Speaker 2: be part of it.
[42:30] Speaker 18: Well, there's no doubt that the twenty fifteen deal that
[42:34] Speaker 18: was done between America the European Union in Britain was look,
[42:38] Speaker 18: we'll free up all your money and you promise not
[42:41] Speaker 18: to develop nuclear weapons.
[42:42] Speaker 3: What did Iran do?
[42:43] Speaker 18: They went on developing nuclear weapons and they use the
[42:46] Speaker 18: freed up money to fund his buller, the hoot is
[42:49] Speaker 18: Hamas and global terrorism. So you know, it comes a point.
[42:54] Speaker 18: It comes a point when something has to be done.
[42:56] Speaker 18: I do believe that.
[42:57] Speaker 3: Morally what Trump is trying to do what Israel is
[43:02] Speaker 3: trying to do is right. And just think about this
[43:04] Speaker 3: one fact.
[43:05] Speaker 18: This regime have executed five thousand gay people, So you
[43:10] Speaker 18: would have thought people on the center left of politics
[43:13] Speaker 18: might think there was a good reason to get rid
[43:15] Speaker 18: of him. The French have stepped up and supported the Americans.
[43:19] Speaker 18: The Australian government have said supportive things, the Canadian government
[43:22] Speaker 18: have said supportive things. The Greeks have got their navy
[43:26] Speaker 18: in the Mediterranean effectively to protect a British base on Cyprus.
[43:30] Speaker 3: And what have we got.
[43:32] Speaker 18: We've got an absolute loser of a prime minister who follows,
[43:37] Speaker 18: he doesn't lead. He banned the Americans from using our bases.
[43:42] Speaker 18: Now he says, okay, you can use our bases. And
[43:46] Speaker 18: when he talks about the activities over the weekend, he
[43:49] Speaker 18: keeps saying we were not involved because of international law,
[43:53] Speaker 18: whatever that is supposed to be. And you know something,
[43:57] Speaker 18: much of this is happening because there is now a
[44:01] Speaker 18: growing leftwood move in British politics, based to quite a
[44:06] Speaker 18: large extent, around the Muslim vote in this country, and
[44:10] Speaker 18: he's terrified of alienating that vote. It is an absolute
[44:15] Speaker 18: disgrace and it shows you just how far down the
[44:19] Speaker 18: world rankings my country is thinking well, and we'll.
[44:22] Speaker 1: Get to the by election where family voting was part of.
[44:25] Speaker 2: That particular issue. But again, the idea that the Iranian
[44:29] Speaker 2: Revolution regard is a terrorist organization has declared in Australia.
[44:34] Speaker 2: Terrorist organization has declared last week in the EU, but
[44:38] Speaker 2: it is not banned and declared to be such in
[44:41] Speaker 2: the UK.
[44:42] Speaker 1: They can't even do that.
[44:46] Speaker 18: No, the cahn't And we had protests out in the
[44:48] Speaker 18: street of London this week this weekend, sorry pro Iranian
[44:54] Speaker 18: regime demonstrations on the streets of London and a really
[44:58] Speaker 18: big one planned for a couple of week's time. Even
[45:01] Speaker 18: the European Union, who I've been rather critical of over
[45:04] Speaker 18: the decades, even they are prescribing the IRGC and yet
[45:09] Speaker 18: British governments won't do it.
[45:12] Speaker 2: Let's talk about the by election one where the Reform
[45:15] Speaker 2: Party did come second, but it was the Greens who
[45:18] Speaker 2: turned what was I think a thirteen thousand vote lead
[45:21] Speaker 2: for Labor into forty points when that they ended up
[45:25] Speaker 2: having over Reform at twenty eight Labor at twenty five.
[45:29] Speaker 2: But let's talk about this here where the practice of
[45:32] Speaker 2: family voting now It wasn't members of the Reform Party
[45:35] Speaker 2: who saw this happening. It was an independent organization that
[45:38] Speaker 2: saw it. In what sixty or seventy percent of polling boots,
[45:43] Speaker 2: they saw a bunch of people walk in and the
[45:45] Speaker 2: bloke tells them what to do.
[45:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, And this has been going on.
[45:51] Speaker 18: I've been railing about this now for many, many years,
[45:54] Speaker 18: and all I've ever had is sour greats from Nigel Farage.
[45:58] Speaker 18: The Labor Party never wanted to anything about it because
[46:00] Speaker 18: it was in their favor. The Tory Party took the
[46:03] Speaker 18: view they weren't going to win in the big cities
[46:06] Speaker 18: and they thought.
[46:07] Speaker 3: They know, well, we won't worry about it. Yeah.
[46:09] Speaker 18: Literally literally, men marching women and in some cases children
[46:16] Speaker 18: over eighteen into the polling booth, overseeing their vote and
[46:21] Speaker 18: in most cases photographing it.
[46:24] Speaker 3: Wow, so they could prove to the mosque that they'd
[46:27] Speaker 3: done the right thing.
[46:29] Speaker 18: Now, just think, if that's what's happening in the polling booths,
[46:34] Speaker 18: what on earth do you think is happening with mass
[46:37] Speaker 18: postal voting.
[46:38] Speaker 3: Do you think those women in.
[46:41] Speaker 18: Non English speaking Pakistani households do you think those women
[46:46] Speaker 18: even get to see the ballot paper.
[46:48] Speaker 3: I doubt it.
[46:49] Speaker 18: And one more thing, We've always had Commonwealth voting right,
[46:53] Speaker 18: so you know, on Australian living in London can relatively
[46:56] Speaker 18: easily get the right to vote in a general election.
[46:59] Speaker 18: And that was fine until the age of mass migration,
[47:02] Speaker 18: the Boris Wave and all the rest of it. And
[47:05] Speaker 18: I am as certain as I can be that amongst
[47:08] Speaker 18: British born voters are candidate won the by election last week.
[47:12] Speaker 18: There were thousands of people with Pakistani passports who, just
[47:17] Speaker 18: because they can show they have a settled address in
[47:19] Speaker 18: the UK, were voting last Thursday. So the whole democratic
[47:25] Speaker 18: system needs fundamental reform. And I've been out campaigning and
[47:29] Speaker 18: I won a big court battle just two weeks ago
[47:32] Speaker 18: to get the vote back for four point six million
[47:35] Speaker 18: people who are going to be denied their vote on
[47:37] Speaker 18: May the seventh in my local elections this year. And
[47:40] Speaker 18: I'm going to fight for the integrity of our democratic system.
[47:44] Speaker 18: I don't care how many years it takes, I promise
[47:47] Speaker 18: you I'll win.
[47:48] Speaker 2: Do you think when things are as obvious as this,
[47:51] Speaker 2: it turns people's minds to those structural issues where look,
[47:56] Speaker 2: we understand what a postal vote is supposed to be,
[47:58] Speaker 2: and it's for people who are physically unable to turn up, Like,
[48:02] Speaker 2: let's be honest, it's for people. It's supposed to be
[48:04] Speaker 2: for people in nursing homes and hospitals. It's not for
[48:07] Speaker 2: you know, to make sure that everyone falls into line here,
[48:10] Speaker 2: But you also know that the downside of pointing out
[48:13] Speaker 2: these potential irregularities is that people try to question motives.
[48:17] Speaker 1: And all the rest of it.
[48:18] Speaker 2: Here, how important is it that you have the receipts
[48:21] Speaker 2: to show between now and that general election in a
[48:24] Speaker 2: couple of years time that this has and is happening.
[48:30] Speaker 18: Well, the most bizarre thing it's been hiding in plain
[48:33] Speaker 18: sight for over two decades. It was in the year
[48:35] Speaker 18: two thousand that Tony Blair brought in mass postal voting
[48:39] Speaker 18: on demand as opposed to postal voting because you had
[48:42] Speaker 18: a reason. And as early as two thousand and four
[48:46] Speaker 18: over a case in Birmingham again the Pakistani Kashmiri community, it.
[48:50] Speaker 3: Nearly always is.
[48:52] Speaker 18: A High Court judge in two thousand and four said,
[48:55] Speaker 18: in the particular case he was looking at, these are
[48:57] Speaker 18: the actions of a Banana Republic. It's been hiding in
[49:00] Speaker 18: plain sight for two decades I've been the sole complainant.
[49:04] Speaker 18: The difference this time is an independent monitoring group have
[49:09] Speaker 18: come out with the report. So these things are disgraceful
[49:12] Speaker 18: and I agree with you. I mean, look, you know,
[49:14] Speaker 18: by all means have a postal vote if you're ninety
[49:16] Speaker 18: seven in a wheelchair or you're working abroad, but it
[49:19] Speaker 18: should never be it should never be more than about
[49:23] Speaker 18: two percent of the total turnout. In last year's local
[49:27] Speaker 18: elections across England, thirty four percent of the vote was
[49:31] Speaker 18: postal vote, and that means also people are voting weeks
[49:35] Speaker 18: ahead of the conclusion of the campaign. They're not seeing
[49:38] Speaker 18: all the arguments playing out.
[49:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, a good point.
[49:41] Speaker 2: And as you pointed out as well, you know this
[49:43] Speaker 2: doesn't exist in France. Neither of us want to sign
[49:45] Speaker 2: up to the way they do everything, but they're able
[49:47] Speaker 2: to get a big number, big count, big result or
[49:50] Speaker 2: pretty quickly white because they don't have this sort of
[49:52] Speaker 2: echo that goes around Nigel.
[49:53] Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Mat Again, I want everyone to
[49:55] Speaker 1: go and find.
[49:56] Speaker 2: Your YouTube page because there's lots of events that are
[49:57] Speaker 2: happening that reform does up and down.
[50:00] Speaker 1: Thank you mate. He's a good man. Niger Faraj.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Of course, you can seem on Je being used as
[50:06] Speaker 2: well quick Break Back with more big media story.
[50:09] Speaker 1: You may have noticed Colin JACKIEO no more. That's our
[50:18] Speaker 1: show for a night.
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[50:25] Speaker 2: and dad fire, but secondly, they've always been very kind
[50:27] Speaker 2: to me. They're incredibly talented together. But if they must
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