# Paul Murray Live | 25 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 25 Mar 2026, 49 min.

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Hundreds of service stations run dry across Australia, the economic future looks grim under Labor. Plus, Pauline Hanson's One Nation surges against Labor in latest Sky News Pulse Poll. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Oh I made Happy Wednesday. Come on into the man cave.
[0:08] Speaker 1: We've got an awful lot of work to do tonight.
[0:10] Speaker 1: Great debate, great discussion, and a great friend returns from holidays,
[0:15] Speaker 1: the one, the only, Meghan Kelly, and she has a
[0:18] Speaker 1: small message to her critics.
[0:21] Speaker 2: You will say it or will hurt your show. You'll
[0:23] Speaker 2: say it or will hurt you We'll go yourselves. No,
[0:28] Speaker 2: the answer is no, I'll never say it.
[0:30] Speaker 1: Now. Believe me, you're going to want to watch tonight's show.
[0:33] Speaker 1: We'll get to the great Meghan Kelly in a moment
[0:35] Speaker 1: or two time. But first, the petrol problem that exists
[0:38] Speaker 1: around Australia really is a diesel problem. And in the
[0:41] Speaker 1: same way that the roads are the veins of our nation,
[0:44] Speaker 1: the blood that goes through them in the transport industry,
[0:46] Speaker 1: and of course they are desperately looking for diesel. Right now,
[0:50] Speaker 1: you think you're paying a lot for it, what about
[0:52] Speaker 1: on the odd Fraser Island on they are now charging
[0:56] Speaker 1: at four dollars and twenty five sense four dollars twenty
[1:01] Speaker 1: five for a letter. Yes it's remote Australia. Yes it's
[1:04] Speaker 1: an island. But wow, the diesel pain continues here with
[1:08] Speaker 1: people saying I haven't even paid half of what I'm
[1:11] Speaker 1: currently paying now. And that's people who are getting around
[1:14] Speaker 1: on boats. And by the way, that's not just pleasure craft,
[1:16] Speaker 1: it's people that actually use it for its working purpose.
[1:20] Speaker 1: And just a small matter. You know, those trucks that
[1:22] Speaker 1: pick up your bins, they run on diesel too, and
[1:26] Speaker 1: waste companies are openly saying if this keeps up, they
[1:31] Speaker 1: might stop collecting bins. Seriously, that is what is playing
[1:36] Speaker 1: right now. As for the truckies of Australia, while they
[1:39] Speaker 1: are hurting.
[1:41] Speaker 3: Ray Carlson has been a truckie since nineteen seventy two.
[1:45] Speaker 3: He's driven more than ten million kilometers or to the
[1:48] Speaker 3: moon and back thirteen times. Normally unflappable, he's been shocked
[1:54] Speaker 3: by the sudden cost of filling his bet double with diesel.
[1:57] Speaker 1: It used to cost about twenty eight hundred dollars. Cost
[2:00] Speaker 1: me over five thousand dollars. That's how serious it is, right,
[2:04] Speaker 1: So the government wants to pretend it's all about panic purchasing. Well,
[2:07] Speaker 1: even if you just get regularly the amount that you need,
[2:09] Speaker 1: that's the cost for a bloke whose margins, I have
[2:12] Speaker 1: no doubt, are already raised the thin and now they're
[2:15] Speaker 1: flipping the other way. I do love when the six
[2:17] Speaker 1: PM news has to go and mix with the people
[2:20] Speaker 1: who drive the trucks.
[2:23] Speaker 3: The round trip between Brisbane and Mackay is nineteen hundred
[2:26] Speaker 3: and ninety three kilometers, for which a B double truck
[2:30] Speaker 3: consumes about one thousand liters of diesel. That cost sixteen
[2:33] Speaker 3: hundred and twenty nine dollars in February. Today it'll cost
[2:37] Speaker 3: two nine hundred and fifty a price differential of more
[2:40] Speaker 3: than thirteen hundred dollars or eighty one percent.
[2:44] Speaker 1: A national emergency and we need to act fast, that's
[2:48] Speaker 1: what the truckies are saying. We'll get to who is
[2:50] Speaker 1: answering that call in a moment or two time. For
[2:52] Speaker 1: those that are keeping score, more places are running out
[2:55] Speaker 1: of petrol and diesel is the big problem right now.
[2:58] Speaker 1: In New south Well it's one hundred and eighty seven
[3:00] Speaker 1: have no diesel. In Victoria there's one hundred and thirty
[3:03] Speaker 1: four that having problems with either one most likely diesel,
[3:07] Speaker 1: or all of the fuels. Fifty five are out in
[3:11] Speaker 1: Queensland for diesel. Thirty five with no unleaded Western Australia
[3:15] Speaker 1: four with no diesel right now six with no stock
[3:18] Speaker 1: at all. South Australia forty nine servos have already run out.
[3:22] Speaker 1: The Victorian government, well, of course, who are they blaming
[3:25] Speaker 1: wouldn't be their federal counterparts for not being able to
[3:28] Speaker 1: have enough in stock when the world goes through an
[3:30] Speaker 1: oil shock like we have as a result of the
[3:32] Speaker 1: events in Iran. No, of course, it's truck is like
[3:35] Speaker 1: the blokes you just saw.
[3:37] Speaker 4: The Estate government is blaming panic buying for service stations
[3:41] Speaker 4: running drive.
[3:42] Speaker 5: Demand has increased anywhere between three hundred percent and four
[3:46] Speaker 5: hundred percent. At the same time we know that we
[3:50] Speaker 5: have more than enough supply of fuels coming into the country.
[3:55] Speaker 1: Okay, just little memo to the minister who sits at
[3:59] Speaker 1: the back of the car that's paid for by the
[4:00] Speaker 1: Victorian taxpayer, that's driven by a person who is paid
[4:05] Speaker 1: for by the Victorian taxpayer and uses the fuel card
[4:08] Speaker 1: that is paid for by the Victorian taxpayer. The reason
[4:12] Speaker 1: people are filling up at every chance they get is
[4:15] Speaker 1: because it will cost more tomorrow. It will cost way
[4:20] Speaker 1: more next week. We've shown you the numbers and these
[4:24] Speaker 1: are just averages. You'll find places like the old Fraser
[4:28] Speaker 1: Island that are way higher diesel basically three bucks now.
[4:33] Speaker 1: Now that of course has major consequences, not just for
[4:36] Speaker 1: the people who you know are on the school run,
[4:38] Speaker 1: but for the people who rely upon their vehicle to
[4:41] Speaker 1: get themselves to and from the job site, to and
[4:45] Speaker 1: from the delivery drop off. This matters now. Last night
[4:49] Speaker 1: I showed you fifty two cents in every single dollar
[4:53] Speaker 1: of petrol sold in Australia. There is a clipping of
[4:56] Speaker 1: the ticket and that comes from the federal government. So
[4:59] Speaker 1: Jim Charmers is being asked quite correctly here, what are
[5:03] Speaker 1: you going to do when it comes to your part
[5:07] Speaker 1: of the petrol prices and the diesel prices that people
[5:09] Speaker 1: are paying through the nose right now all the way
[5:13] Speaker 1: around the country, and even if the war stop tomorrow,
[5:15] Speaker 1: will be doing it for weeks to come. Well, he
[5:18] Speaker 1: was asked directly and again the bloke who is desperate
[5:21] Speaker 1: to hold on to as much of your money as
[5:23] Speaker 1: possible so he can turn around and spend even more
[5:26] Speaker 1: of it than he has. Remember budget deficits. It started
[5:29] Speaker 1: off for five years, then it's ten years. The Intergenerational
[5:32] Speaker 1: Report says all the way to the twenty sixties. He's
[5:35] Speaker 1: asked a very direct question here, which is surely, surely,
[5:39] Speaker 1: at a time when this is costing what it is costing,
[5:42] Speaker 1: your portion of it needs to come off the whole
[5:46] Speaker 1: fifty two cents, or at least part of it. Well,
[5:48] Speaker 1: what do you reckon? Jim Charmers, the guy who of
[5:51] Speaker 1: course drives around in the taxpayer funded car with the
[5:53] Speaker 1: taxpayer funded fuel card. Al is driven around in the
[5:57] Speaker 1: taxpayer funded limo with the taxpayer funded driver and the
[6:00] Speaker 1: taxpayer funded fuel card, says.
[6:04] Speaker 2: They've had order to self considering a change to vendrive fuels.
[6:09] Speaker 1: First of all, I think, as I've said as recently
[6:11] Speaker 1: as yesterday, that that change is not something that we
[6:14] Speaker 1: have been considering. Well, I'll tell you why, because the
[6:18] Speaker 1: amount of money that they make out of petrol is
[6:20] Speaker 1: through the roof, and the amount they make out of
[6:23] Speaker 1: diesel is even more. Let me show you the midyear
[6:27] Speaker 1: economic review. This is of course the budget update. All right.
[6:30] Speaker 1: They have got in the past twelve months seventeen point
[6:34] Speaker 1: six b four billion dollars out of diesel tax at
[6:39] Speaker 1: that fifty two Since eleter they've got seven point three
[6:43] Speaker 1: billion dollars out of petrol. Next year, that'll go up
[6:47] Speaker 1: to more than eighteen billion dollars or seven and a
[6:50] Speaker 1: half billion dollars. How does that compare to well, tobacco.
[6:56] Speaker 1: If you're a keen reader, you can already see it.
[6:58] Speaker 1: Maybe me make it nice and clear. They are only
[7:01] Speaker 1: making about five billion dollars right now. Why because of
[7:04] Speaker 1: course the taxes are too high. They won't dare drop
[7:07] Speaker 1: those taxes. Because of course the revenue that they were
[7:11] Speaker 1: previously making, which used to be above ten billion dollars
[7:14] Speaker 1: by the way, well that of course is all going
[7:16] Speaker 1: up in smoke because of those taxes. People are off
[7:19] Speaker 1: to the illegal stuff right now. And what really annoys
[7:23] Speaker 1: me about this mob is this mob loves a little
[7:26] Speaker 1: pat on the back for when they make choices about
[7:30] Speaker 1: excise taxes. Tobacco tax is an excise tax, diesel tax
[7:36] Speaker 1: is a excise tax, petrol tax is an excise tax. Well,
[7:41] Speaker 1: they took to the last election a major cost of
[7:44] Speaker 1: living initiative.
[7:47] Speaker 6: Beer drinkers around the country are rejoicing right now after
[7:50] Speaker 6: the Prime Minister Anthony Alberinezi announced this two year freeze
[7:53] Speaker 6: on tax increases.
[7:55] Speaker 1: And it's not just beef.
[7:56] Speaker 6: But the Albanese government is also making big moves on beer.
[8:00] Speaker 2: The Prime Minister of will.
[8:01] Speaker 6: Today begin his case for a freeze on beer taxes, and.
[8:05] Speaker 1: Of course the Prime Minister says, it's all about helping
[8:08] Speaker 1: the little guy and gal, and they them out.
[8:12] Speaker 7: I want to look after people on cost of living immediately.
[8:16] Speaker 7: Whether it is the income tax cuts or even the
[8:19] Speaker 7: freezing of the excise on beer makes a difference to
[8:24] Speaker 7: people's pockets.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Now, remember not reduction, just to promise not to increase. Well,
[8:29] Speaker 1: how much money does the federal government make out of
[8:32] Speaker 1: beer taxes each and every year? Just two billion dollars.
[8:37] Speaker 1: And by keeping it exactly the way it is, because
[8:40] Speaker 1: you know, things often change, it'll move to an extra
[8:44] Speaker 1: what forty million dollars next year. Let's compare that to
[8:48] Speaker 1: going from seventeen point six billion in diesel taxes to
[8:54] Speaker 1: eighteen point four billion in diesel taxes next year. If
[8:59] Speaker 1: this bloke actually wants to help, he at the very
[9:03] Speaker 1: least promises no further increases because there's another one coming
[9:06] Speaker 1: in September. But of course he should drop it, drop
[9:11] Speaker 1: the whole lot, drop it for six months, slowly stage
[9:13] Speaker 1: it back when prices start to flatten out. But of
[9:18] Speaker 1: course does he care about any of that. No? Why, well,
[9:20] Speaker 1: because of course the taxpayer funded car, the taxpayer funded driver,
[9:24] Speaker 1: the taxpayer funded fuel card. If they are serious about
[9:29] Speaker 1: doing something, they can do something. Instead, it's just panic buying.
[9:35] Speaker 1: What about panic taxation, because you're gorging on it right now.
[9:39] Speaker 1: More money used to come from the collective tax around
[9:45] Speaker 1: things like cigarettes, But no, they bugger that up. They
[9:48] Speaker 1: get fawning coverage in the media for pausing a tax
[9:52] Speaker 1: that frankly does not raise even fractions of what is
[9:56] Speaker 1: raised by fuel prices and fuel taxation. And of course
[10:00] Speaker 1: there's the GST on top of what you end up
[10:04] Speaker 1: paying the tax on a tax, and the Treasurer wants
[10:08] Speaker 1: to pretend, well, sort of answered this yesterday. Well guess what, pal,
[10:10] Speaker 1: you should answer it tomorrow and the next day, and
[10:13] Speaker 1: the next day, and the next day and the next day.
[10:15] Speaker 1: Because yes, while the global events in Iran mean that
[10:19] Speaker 1: we are seeing the surgeon price fifty two cents, it's
[10:25] Speaker 1: gone up every six months under this mob, fifty two
[10:29] Speaker 1: cents of what you put in your car straight to
[10:32] Speaker 1: Jim Charmers so he can pitle it up against the
[10:34] Speaker 1: wall by pretending he's here to help and we're here
[10:38] Speaker 1: for cost of living relief fed Incoim. There are people
[10:42] Speaker 1: that are answering the call. You heard the truck he's
[10:44] Speaker 1: saying that they want a declaration of a national fuel emergency. Now,
[10:47] Speaker 1: this can work in lots of different ways, including about
[10:50] Speaker 1: how much of the supply can be handed out at
[10:52] Speaker 1: any one time, but also starts to put a lid
[10:54] Speaker 1: on just how much can be charged here, and that's
[10:59] Speaker 1: one nation. Barnaby Joyce along with the rest of the
[11:01] Speaker 1: team did a great job in Campbell today calling this
[11:04] Speaker 1: out and actually answering the call of the truckies because
[11:07] Speaker 1: they get it that this is bankrupting people. There is
[11:12] Speaker 1: the capacity the Liquid Fuel Emergency Act in nineteen eighty
[11:15] Speaker 1: four for the Minister to come in and take control
[11:18] Speaker 1: of this situation. He has to pull the trigger. He
[11:23] Speaker 1: has to do this today. Fifty two cents every single lita,
[11:29] Speaker 1: every single lit They can drop that price, that is
[11:33] Speaker 1: their choice, stroke of a pin. But of course they
[11:37] Speaker 1: won't do it. Why because they need that money to
[11:41] Speaker 1: convince you that they're taking care of you. And I'm
[11:43] Speaker 1: pretty sure that won't amount to the amount of money
[11:46] Speaker 1: that they're currently doing. Meantime, while these people are in
[11:50] Speaker 1: charge of the show and telling us you're the problem,
[11:53] Speaker 1: their labor compatriot in New South Wales is actually now
[11:56] Speaker 1: pulling together a war room because of course his eight
[12:00] Speaker 1: New South Wales is the one most affected right now
[12:02] Speaker 1: by these shutdowns. Here is the bloke who should be
[12:05] Speaker 1: in charge of the country, but alas is not installed.
[12:08] Speaker 1: We've got him in New South Wales as a government,
[12:11] Speaker 1: if only the Prime Minister would follow his lead.
[12:15] Speaker 8: Firstly, the Minister for Energy will compel the major oil
[12:20] Speaker 8: companies to provide the information to the government as to
[12:24] Speaker 8: how they will distribute excess fuel extra fuel release from
[12:29] Speaker 8: the Commonwealth government to regional communities.
[12:32] Speaker 1: Actually doing something, actually doing something. Oh but the federal
[12:37] Speaker 1: government's been having meetings and we put in charge somebody
[12:39] Speaker 1: from the Climate Change Authority who's anti fossil fuels. Do
[12:43] Speaker 1: you reckon it's Hie on her priority list or any
[12:45] Speaker 1: logistical experience to make sure that people in parks have
[12:50] Speaker 1: got their fuel. Speaking of we'll talk to the local
[12:53] Speaker 1: member because he's taken matters into his own hands. I'll
[12:56] Speaker 1: explain how that works in a moment or two time.
[12:58] Speaker 1: As for a program Sunday night, I want all eyes
[13:02] Speaker 1: on this. Chris Yulman's putting it together as we speak.
[13:05] Speaker 1: He'll be editing it right up until Sunday night at
[13:07] Speaker 1: seven thirty. Australia's Fuel Crisis Chris Yilman, Some uncomfortable and
[13:12] Speaker 1: necessary truths. A special program on Australia's Fuel Crisis, Sunday,
[13:16] Speaker 1: seven thirty Australian Eastern daylight time. Be there, be, there,
[13:21] Speaker 1: be there, including everyone in Canberra. We know you've got
[13:23] Speaker 1: another week of parliament after it, so no excuses now.
[13:28] Speaker 1: As for the cost of living and how that is
[13:30] Speaker 1: measured in Australia, that comes via, of course, the inflation rate.
[13:33] Speaker 1: And we've got another insight into the price of things
[13:37] Speaker 1: and how much they have increased in the past thirty
[13:40] Speaker 1: days via the far right wing thing TAK known as
[13:42] Speaker 1: the Australian Bureau of Statistics and their mates in the
[13:45] Speaker 1: media before they go on strike. We're writing things like
[13:48] Speaker 1: Australia's inflation has cooled slightly before. Of course everything got
[13:54] Speaker 1: crazy after the Iran War. So how much did inflation
[13:58] Speaker 1: change by? Zero point one percent, not half a percent,
[14:03] Speaker 1: not a four percent, zero point one percent, effectively a
[14:08] Speaker 1: rounding error. Now remember all of these numbers are looking back.
[14:13] Speaker 1: This is back to the February number. We don't get
[14:15] Speaker 1: the March number, which will go through the roof as
[14:18] Speaker 1: a result of the fuel situation. But remember this was
[14:21] Speaker 1: all their management, right, This was before they could blame
[14:25] Speaker 1: the donald for anything. And how does Australia's new cooled
[14:31] Speaker 1: inflation rate of three point seven compared to the rest
[14:35] Speaker 1: of the world. Well, guess what I checked this about
[14:37] Speaker 1: an hour ago. In the UK it's three percent, in
[14:40] Speaker 1: the US it's two zero point four percent. And I
[14:45] Speaker 1: want to single out Japan here because I'm not entirely
[14:47] Speaker 1: sure what it is that Japan is doing that Australian
[14:50] Speaker 1: needs to learn. But we know that the new prime
[14:52] Speaker 1: Minister should have a chat to our old prime minister
[14:56] Speaker 1: because Japan now has the lowest in inflation in four years.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Ours is getting right back up there. So austraight as
[15:08] Speaker 1: three point seven, the UK's three, the USA two point four,
[15:11] Speaker 1: Japan one point three one point three, all of that
[15:17] Speaker 1: before a bomb was dropped. But of course the war
[15:21] Speaker 1: in a run will have its impact, and we're seeing
[15:24] Speaker 1: that when it comes to fuel. People are telling us
[15:27] Speaker 1: that that could be the equivalent to the economy of
[15:29] Speaker 1: a couple of interest rate rises. But of course, if
[15:32] Speaker 1: inflation starts moving through the threes and virtually we're at
[15:35] Speaker 1: the end of that now into the fours, maybe even
[15:38] Speaker 1: into the fives, which puts us kind of back into
[15:41] Speaker 1: the pandemic. Well, guess what the Reserve Bank's going to
[15:45] Speaker 1: do exactly what they did during the pandemic, which is
[15:49] Speaker 1: pull a handbrake, and that of course means more interest
[15:54] Speaker 1: rate rises. But of course Jim Charmers thinks, well, you're
[15:58] Speaker 1: stupid that you don't remember that the one that happened
[16:01] Speaker 1: in February happened before the war. That the interest rate
[16:06] Speaker 1: rise that took place just a few weeks ago, that
[16:10] Speaker 1: happened before the war was identified by the Reserve Bank
[16:16] Speaker 1: governor as having nothing to do with the war, nothing
[16:19] Speaker 1: to do with petrol prices. Again, we were screwed before
[16:23] Speaker 1: a bomb was dropped. Proof by me, the woman who
[16:28] Speaker 1: made the decision about interest rates.
[16:31] Speaker 4: Higher petrol prices will add to inflation, but they're not
[16:34] Speaker 4: the reason for today's decision.
[16:37] Speaker 1: Inflation was already too high, correct, but the silver lining
[16:43] Speaker 1: not for Australia but for our gaslighting government is that
[16:47] Speaker 1: there is a bizarre number of Australians who when asked
[16:51] Speaker 1: by the Essential Organization and their opinion poll published in
[16:54] Speaker 1: the Turnbul Times the Guardian, well what about thirty nine people?
[17:00] Speaker 1: Will they say global events such as war in the
[17:01] Speaker 1: Middle East? The only problem was the last one that
[17:04] Speaker 1: happened earlier this month, nothing to do with the war.
[17:07] Speaker 1: The one before that, nothing to do with the war.
[17:09] Speaker 1: But people are loyal or at least open to the BS. Now, yes,
[17:13] Speaker 1: the majority of people very clearly here will they tell
[17:16] Speaker 1: us that they believe the government is the significant issue.
[17:20] Speaker 1: But who are the people who see this for the
[17:24] Speaker 1: issue that was created by the government versus the spin
[17:28] Speaker 1: that doesn't actually match the events of the past two
[17:30] Speaker 1: interest rate rises, Well, we can have a look at
[17:33] Speaker 1: it by party identification. Just ten percent of Labor voters
[17:38] Speaker 1: are willing to tell the truth. Twenty eight percent of
[17:40] Speaker 1: them say it's all to do with the middle loose,
[17:42] Speaker 1: so they're ready to be BS two, as are almost
[17:45] Speaker 1: twenty percent of Liberal voters, twenty percent of Greens, seventeen
[17:48] Speaker 1: percent of One nation people. But the extreme majority at
[17:52] Speaker 1: forty eight of One nation voters they see this for
[17:55] Speaker 1: what it is until the numbers start to come in
[17:58] Speaker 1: for what has happened in March. This was charmers, This
[18:02] Speaker 1: was this government and unbelievably the parts of the media
[18:08] Speaker 1: that are willing to cover for this guy, that are
[18:10] Speaker 1: somehow afraid of being cut off from the access teat.
[18:15] Speaker 1: This was the editorial today in the Sydney Morning Herald.
[18:20] Speaker 1: Now again, editorial is fine, fair enough, but this is unbelievable.
[18:23] Speaker 1: Cheer up Australia. We'll turn the corner and get to
[18:26] Speaker 1: better days soon. You want to tell that to the
[18:29] Speaker 1: truckee who's paying how much more for fuel? You want
[18:33] Speaker 1: to tell that to the mum who's got to run
[18:37] Speaker 1: back and forth with the kids and then go and
[18:38] Speaker 1: take care of her parents. This wankery reads as follows.
[18:47] Speaker 1: The potential shirtages of fossil fuels highlight the need to
[18:50] Speaker 1: accelerate the shift of renewables and an energy supply that
[18:53] Speaker 1: is not dependent on international shipping. Surely the aftermath of
[18:57] Speaker 1: this conflict will help accelerate this transformation. It's a silver
[19:01] Speaker 1: lining and a reminder that even as nose diving, consumer
[19:05] Speaker 1: sentiment reflects the clear and present feelings that things are cooked.
[19:09] Speaker 1: Humans have an enormous capacity to adapt and eventually things
[19:11] Speaker 1: will get better. Well, lucky for you, lucky for whoever's
[19:16] Speaker 1: fingers will work to the bone banging that one out,
[19:19] Speaker 1: Because what about the person with the beaded seat, who's
[19:23] Speaker 1: driving hours every day up and down and up and down.
[19:30] Speaker 1: The people who are the ones who take the food
[19:33] Speaker 1: from farm to warehouse and the people who take it
[19:35] Speaker 1: from warehouse to shop. Because even kale doesn't grow in
[19:40] Speaker 1: the shop. Can you believe these people? You cannot possibly
[19:45] Speaker 1: say anything's bad about the government. These are the people
[19:49] Speaker 1: who are reporting on the news. They fairly, fairly get
[19:53] Speaker 1: to call people out like me because I'm an opinion
[19:55] Speaker 1: host and you know where I come from in terms
[19:59] Speaker 1: of perspective. These are the middle of the road people
[20:02] Speaker 1: who are just better days ahead. Even if the war
[20:06] Speaker 1: stops tomorrow, and it's not going to stop tomorrow, it
[20:10] Speaker 1: gets worse because the supply chain is kinked and it
[20:14] Speaker 1: doesn't take two days to get from the Strait of
[20:17] Speaker 1: Humus to Singapore and Singapore to Australia in a freaking
[20:22] Speaker 1: oil tanker. And I know what will happen now Their
[20:26] Speaker 1: are tack dogs will go and I'll be the target
[20:28] Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. Don't care. Normal people
[20:32] Speaker 1: are hurting and supposedly the compassion side of politics is
[20:37] Speaker 1: in charge. They are the ones who are keeping attacks
[20:40] Speaker 1: that will raise hundreds of millions of dollars more next
[20:46] Speaker 1: year than this year, and billions billions of dollars. That's
[20:50] Speaker 1: their choice. That's an f you to the cost of
[20:55] Speaker 1: living crisis. Ferdie. Oh, as long as the treasure texts
[20:59] Speaker 1: me in the middle of the night, I don't care.
[21:02] Speaker 1: Let's get to Jamie Chaffie. Jamie Chaffie is the National's
[21:05] Speaker 1: member for Parks in New South Wales. This is a
[21:08] Speaker 1: regional community that is absolutely getting turned inside out as
[21:12] Speaker 1: a result of what's happening when it comes to the
[21:13] Speaker 1: fuel situation. We'll get to your solution to this in
[21:15] Speaker 1: a second, but give me an idea. What's it like
[21:18] Speaker 1: in Parks and who are you hearing the complaints from.
[21:23] Speaker 4: Well, Paul, it's pretty desperate right across my electric fifty
[21:26] Speaker 4: one percent in New South Wales predominantly agriculture, but begin
[21:30] Speaker 4: mining as well. What I'm hearing from, whether it be
[21:33] Speaker 4: an email, phone conversation, these farmers that are desperate they're
[21:36] Speaker 4: looking at harvesting right now for cereal crops. Cotton crop
[21:39] Speaker 4: harvest is about to happen, and if it does rain,
[21:42] Speaker 4: we'll see a lot of winter crops that'll be desperate
[21:44] Speaker 4: to go on the ground. But of course you can't
[21:46] Speaker 4: do that without diesel.
[21:48] Speaker 1: Well, and again, right, I think that people need to
[21:51] Speaker 1: see two things happening at the same time. Right, Yes,
[21:54] Speaker 1: there's an overall fuel issue. Diesel is die at the
[21:57] Speaker 1: moment right where the places that are running out of
[22:00] Speaker 1: the further you get away from the city. And that's
[22:02] Speaker 1: not because of panic buying. That's because the trucking, the
[22:05] Speaker 1: transport person or any other person who needs to fill
[22:08] Speaker 1: up in diesel and has an awful lot of ground
[22:10] Speaker 1: they've got to cover in your particular electorate, they are
[22:13] Speaker 1: not doing that. They're not hiding their fuel supply. They
[22:16] Speaker 1: need it to get through the week.
[22:20] Speaker 4: Well, Paul, what I'm hearing is the independent suppliers are
[22:23] Speaker 4: the ones that traditionally and for generations have been those
[22:27] Speaker 4: that delivered to bulk on farm, and they are also
[22:29] Speaker 4: those that deliver to the smaller communities I would say,
[22:33] Speaker 4: the western and the far western communities, and sometimes they're
[22:35] Speaker 4: not only the bulk supply, but they are the retailer
[22:38] Speaker 4: as well. They work on the spot market. They're not
[22:40] Speaker 4: the ones that have the contracts with the refineries or
[22:43] Speaker 4: those importers, and they're the ones that have been squeezed
[22:46] Speaker 4: out of this market at the moment the big guys,
[22:48] Speaker 4: and I won't mention them, they're getting free flow with
[22:51] Speaker 4: the contracts they've got. But you know the changes that
[22:55] Speaker 4: we hear Chris Bowen say parrot day after day in
[22:58] Speaker 4: question time about how they've we've got the solutions. Well,
[23:00] Speaker 4: they're not working for Regional Australia, they're not working in
[23:03] Speaker 4: the parks electric and they're certainly not supporting those independent
[23:05] Speaker 4: field suppliers. But as I said, that have been out
[23:08] Speaker 4: there for decades doing it. Now I'm getting phone calls
[23:11] Speaker 4: from these for these people talking about they're going to
[23:13] Speaker 4: have to park up their tankers and start putting staff
[23:15] Speaker 4: off and where are they going to be when you know,
[23:17] Speaker 4: we don't know when this alloo, but when the dust
[23:19] Speaker 4: settles on this, if they're gone out of the marketplace,
[23:22] Speaker 4: who's going to be there to supply Regional Australia.
[23:24] Speaker 1: Well, again, when we have a look at those petrol
[23:26] Speaker 1: mapping sites. They often obviously are heavily dominated by what's
[23:29] Speaker 1: happening in the capital cities where it is just below
[23:32] Speaker 1: three dollars. But right now you can have a look
[23:34] Speaker 1: at what's happening in parks where diesel right now what
[23:37] Speaker 1: it's three point fifteen point nine basically three point sixteen.
[23:41] Speaker 1: It'll only go higher. And you, of course are trying
[23:44] Speaker 1: to get the message out in and around the electorate
[23:46] Speaker 1: for the people in the electric to be able to
[23:48] Speaker 1: tell each other about what's going on, tell me about
[23:51] Speaker 1: what you are doing and where people are able to
[23:53] Speaker 1: check in in the area the in Central West, New
[23:55] Speaker 1: South walest Well.
[23:58] Speaker 4: No Fuel Here is a website that we have launched
[24:00] Speaker 4: Pull and it's all about getting people out in our communities,
[24:04] Speaker 4: not just the Parks Electric but every electric right across Australia.
[24:07] Speaker 9: To get online.
[24:08] Speaker 4: It's very quick, it's very easy tell us where you
[24:11] Speaker 4: are struggling to get access to petrol or to diesel.
[24:14] Speaker 4: Because we want to make sure that we're telling the
[24:16] Speaker 4: truth here. I mean we get all sorts of rubbish
[24:19] Speaker 4: thrown at us here in Canberra, particularly around question time.
[24:22] Speaker 4: But I've started Chris Bowen's office independently myself.
[24:25] Speaker 9: I've bought in independent wholesale.
[24:27] Speaker 4: Our independent distributors are just last week trying and begging
[24:32] Speaker 4: for Chris Bowen to actually get the message about what
[24:35] Speaker 4: needs to change here.
[24:36] Speaker 9: He's relying on facts that he's given from other people.
[24:39] Speaker 4: We want the every day strange to tell us the
[24:41] Speaker 4: truth about where is the access. Where are they failing
[24:44] Speaker 4: to get whether it be petrol or whether it be diesel,
[24:47] Speaker 4: So we need that factual information.
[24:49] Speaker 1: Good on you, Jamie, no fuel here dot com dot
[24:52] Speaker 1: au or one word, no fuel here dot com dot
[24:54] Speaker 1: are you? Thank you, Jamie, A great representative for the
[24:56] Speaker 1: good people of Parks, for the National Party there in
[25:00] Speaker 1: New South Wales and in the Federal Parliament. Again, I
[25:02] Speaker 1: am so sick of the smart asses who do not
[25:04] Speaker 1: have to worry because the car is driven by somebody
[25:08] Speaker 1: else and the fuel is paid for by somebody else,
[25:10] Speaker 1: trying to say that you are the problem. No, no,
[25:12] Speaker 1: they are the problem. We showed you last year the
[25:15] Speaker 1: freedom of information request the ABC that they modeled a
[25:19] Speaker 1: situation like this last year and they did nothing, nothing
[25:22] Speaker 1: to increase the supply. Oh but don't worry, we'll be
[25:26] Speaker 1: okay this week. Well, of course, we're about to tick
[25:29] Speaker 1: over from March into April, and we're being told in
[25:33] Speaker 1: April is when things get really bad. And as I said,
[25:36] Speaker 1: even if you stop the war today, the flow and
[25:39] Speaker 1: effects go for weeks. The real world is hurting. The
[25:45] Speaker 1: government couldn't care less but still take fifty two cents
[25:50] Speaker 1: of every liter of every car, every truck in the
[25:55] Speaker 1: entire country. What a disgrace. We're on a sec here,
[25:57] Speaker 1: Paul Marlie, plenty to talk about, great debate in a
[26:00] Speaker 1: moment or two time. And Megan Kelly, believe me, you
[26:02] Speaker 1: want to watch. There's plenty of nuance, there's plenty of gray,
[26:04] Speaker 1: and there's plenty to talk about with her, not just
[26:07] Speaker 1: about the war but about some of the incoming that
[26:09] Speaker 1: she has been receiving. One second, thank you so much
[26:16] Speaker 1: for watching Jeeves. My dear friends here on a Wednesday night,
[26:18] Speaker 1: will all agree on everything. Stephen Conroy's in Melbourne joining
[26:21] Speaker 1: me in the man cave. Is nothing in the wonderful
[26:22] Speaker 1: Lucy's ella to hello.
[26:24] Speaker 6: Hello.
[26:24] Speaker 1: So back to the Turbal Times and their opinion poll here,
[26:27] Speaker 1: what do Australians feel about the war in Israel and
[26:32] Speaker 1: how do they feel sorry in Iran and how do
[26:34] Speaker 1: they feel about the US and Israeli involvement here? Well,
[26:38] Speaker 1: do you approve or disapprove of what has been going on?
[26:40] Speaker 1: Is the question? Forty two percent of Australians disapproved, twenty
[26:43] Speaker 1: two percent are currently sitting in the let's wait and
[26:46] Speaker 1: see they neither approve nor disapprove. Those who are approving
[26:49] Speaker 1: twenty six percent Right now, Well, jeez, what a surprise.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Australians don't like war. There's no surprise there. But once
[26:56] Speaker 1: you start to break it down here about what they
[26:58] Speaker 1: really like and what they really don't like, Okay, working
[27:01] Speaker 1: with international organizations to make sure peace. That's the blue
[27:04] Speaker 1: at the top. Surprise, surprise. The orange and red at
[27:06] Speaker 1: the very bottom in the bottom right is sending Australian troops.
[27:10] Speaker 1: Fifty of Australian say, hell, no, no way, no giant
[27:14] Speaker 1: surprise there, Stephen at that appetite for war in Australia.
[27:21] Speaker 9: Now, look, that isn't a surprise.
[27:24] Speaker 10: Australians want to see a very considered reason as to
[27:29] Speaker 10: why we should put Australian lives at risk. And while
[27:32] Speaker 10: there are some good reasons for this conflict for Australia
[27:37] Speaker 10: to be drawn in more than we've been drawn in
[27:39] Speaker 10: I think will be increasingly a red line. I mean,
[27:43] Speaker 10: you just your head just spins trying to keep up
[27:46] Speaker 10: with Donald Trump's announcements on a daily basis of how
[27:49] Speaker 10: they've won the war, as he sends more troops, how
[27:53] Speaker 10: they've obliterated the nuclear arsenal of the Iranians three months ago,
[27:59] Speaker 10: when suddenly we go in there to get the weapons
[28:01] Speaker 10: grade uranium fuel which was supposed to have been obliterated.
[28:04] Speaker 10: So I can understand why Australians are skeptical and opposed
[28:09] Speaker 10: to US putting troops on the ground in the Middle East.
[28:13] Speaker 10: It was always going to be a hard ask to
[28:16] Speaker 10: support a Donald Trump led war anywhere anywhere in the
[28:23] Speaker 10: World's Australians seventy percent don't like Trump, don't trust Trump,
[28:26] Speaker 10: don't believe what he says, and so it is no
[28:30] Speaker 10: surprise to see his polling.
[28:31] Speaker 9: As I said, I'm in the twenty six percent.
[28:34] Speaker 10: I think there's good reasons to want to deal with
[28:37] Speaker 10: a rogue state like Iran, but the majority of Australians
[28:41] Speaker 10: are just not convinced.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Well, and again, this is what I always try to do, right,
[28:45] Speaker 1: which is to try to not just have the opinions,
[28:47] Speaker 1: but try to put the data on the table that
[28:48] Speaker 1: informs the opinions, right, And it's always the thing where look,
[28:52] Speaker 1: you know, I'm all in on the Orange band, love
[28:54] Speaker 1: Ma Maga all the rest of it, right, But I
[28:56] Speaker 1: know where the limits are for Australia. I certainly hope
[28:58] Speaker 1: that the President finds an off RANMP infect mekill and
[29:00] Speaker 1: I'll talk about in that detail in that.
[29:02] Speaker 6: And can I so say, poorly sorry to interrupt at all.
[29:05] Speaker 6: You can pledge your allegiance and you can be a
[29:08] Speaker 6: supporter of a particular political party, but don't do it
[29:10] Speaker 6: to your detriment. Don't be blindly loyal. No one is
[29:13] Speaker 6: above reproach, criticism or questioning. And I think in this instance,
[29:17] Speaker 6: and we had this conversation last week, you're allowed to
[29:20] Speaker 6: ask questions. You're allowed to come to the table with
[29:23] Speaker 6: a great degree of skepticism over this, right, yep.
[29:26] Speaker 1: Correct. We all know who the good guys, the bad guys,
[29:28] Speaker 1: all the rest of it, right, but we also know
[29:29] Speaker 1: what the consequences are. And fingers crossed, I mean that
[29:31] Speaker 1: that idea about you know, whacking out energy greeds, Well,
[29:35] Speaker 1: Iran has told us what their response is going to be,
[29:37] Speaker 1: which is to knock out the desalination plans of multiple countries. Right,
[29:41] Speaker 1: that is the worst case scenario. All of us have
[29:43] Speaker 1: been worried about at the beginning of the worst case
[29:45] Speaker 1: scenario in the Middle East for a very long period, Stephen,
[29:49] Speaker 1: because you don't think that would happen, or because that
[29:52] Speaker 1: is the lie. We don't know at all.
[29:54] Speaker 10: I I was just shaking my head that it late
[29:58] Speaker 10: like that and it would be a disaster if we
[30:03] Speaker 10: got to that point. So, yes, I'm with you. I
[30:07] Speaker 10: hope there is an off ramp. I hope there are
[30:10] Speaker 10: real negotiations. I mean I go back to Davos where
[30:13] Speaker 10: Trump was there and little big press conference announcing that
[30:16] Speaker 10: it had reached a settlement with Denmark about Greenland, to
[30:19] Speaker 10: which the day and said, what what settlement? What discussions?
[30:24] Speaker 10: It's so I'm just concerned now. I think the Iranians
[30:28] Speaker 10: are posturing as well. They understand books that'd actually like
[30:31] Speaker 10: to get back to terrorizing their own population themselves and
[30:36] Speaker 10: brutally oppressing them. So I think they do want to
[30:38] Speaker 10: try and get some stability as well.
[30:40] Speaker 9: Let's get their own purposes.
[30:41] Speaker 1: The most important country in the world, this one right,
[30:44] Speaker 1: and a conversation in and around patriotism post the South
[30:46] Speaker 1: Australian election, and people trying to you have never met
[30:49] Speaker 1: a One Nation voter in their life, never met a
[30:51] Speaker 1: conservative in their life, turning around trying to say, well,
[30:55] Speaker 1: but clearly it's all about patriotism. Right. There was a
[30:58] Speaker 1: piece today in the Funny to Review or I think
[31:00] Speaker 1: it's a former Labor government staffer, but still you know
[31:03] Speaker 1: Labour embraces progressive patriotism. James Morrow does that even mean?
[31:08] Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows. James Morrow of course absolutely
[31:11] Speaker 1: whacks it out of the park as well too, Which
[31:13] Speaker 1: is this sort of your hard left wing progressivism pretending
[31:16] Speaker 1: to just occasionally say how good's Australia. It ain't the
[31:19] Speaker 1: patriotism that is fueling what has been happening, particularly in
[31:24] Speaker 1: South Australia and One Nation around the country. Tomorrow, right,
[31:27] Speaker 1: I'm going to get really into some deep dives. Some
[31:29] Speaker 1: of the demographics that are backing in One Nation are
[31:32] Speaker 1: going to blow your mind. I'll get into that tomorrow night.
[31:34] Speaker 1: But again, Lucy, this concept right now, again, the right
[31:39] Speaker 1: doesn't own strength, and the left doesn't own compassion, and
[31:41] Speaker 1: nobody owns the flag. But it's all a little bit
[31:44] Speaker 1: one minute to midnight conversions that they want to hug
[31:47] Speaker 1: the Australian flag all of a sudden.
[31:49] Speaker 6: All of a sudden, because they've seen this rise in
[31:51] Speaker 6: the polls when it comes to one nation. So there
[31:54] Speaker 6: is this great sense of now, all of a sudden,
[31:56] Speaker 6: we are proud Australians. And as Milanowskis was saying, you know, well,
[32:00] Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with wanting to put an Australian flag
[32:02] Speaker 6: on your car all of a sudden, James Morrow pointed
[32:04] Speaker 6: out in his speech. In his election victory speech, he
[32:08] Speaker 6: referred to the word patriotism or patriotic at least six times.
[32:12] Speaker 6: When have you heard this type of rhetoric coming out
[32:14] Speaker 6: from the left when people were taking to the streets
[32:16] Speaker 6: of Melbourne and indeed we've seen it here in Sydney
[32:19] Speaker 6: and burning this beautiful flag, did they have anything to say,
[32:23] Speaker 6: did the Prime Minister? Did they come out strongly condemn
[32:26] Speaker 6: it and say that we need to punish these people
[32:28] Speaker 6: and we need to do something about this, because that
[32:30] Speaker 6: is not the Australian way. No, the Australian way, according
[32:33] Speaker 6: to the left, has been to feel ashamed of our heritage,
[32:36] Speaker 6: of our culture and who we are. No one is
[32:38] Speaker 6: saying that we have to celebrate the atrocities of how
[32:41] Speaker 6: this country was to be founded. But at some point
[32:43] Speaker 6: you need to recognize we've forged something incredible here and
[32:47] Speaker 6: that this isn't something you can just co opt now
[32:49] Speaker 6: as a populist movement, because you've seen that people have
[32:52] Speaker 6: had enough of you hanging garbage on this country. And
[32:55] Speaker 6: that's what this is ultimately about. Pauly and I resent
[32:58] Speaker 6: very much that any type of patriotism or nationalism is
[33:02] Speaker 6: ascribed to this far right, fringe dwelling extremism that is
[33:07] Speaker 6: so wrong, literally.
[33:09] Speaker 1: Far right extremism. I remember reading a university paper about
[33:12] Speaker 1: this recently where they said, you know, the reverence for
[33:15] Speaker 1: days like Antectoy and Australia was the beginning of the
[33:19] Speaker 1: signs of people starting to lose their way. Okay, right,
[33:21] Speaker 1: right and again, sick people, Let's see what happens, right
[33:24] Speaker 1: and again. You know malinowskis and you know we talked
[33:26] Speaker 1: about frothies and all fine. Again little patronizing but still right.
[33:30] Speaker 1: And he had his thumping when no denial about it, right,
[33:34] Speaker 1: but Stephen again, clearly one nation connects with a whole
[33:39] Speaker 1: bunch of people for a whole bunch of reasons. Now,
[33:42] Speaker 1: rather than go around around on this, did you have
[33:43] Speaker 1: particular insight about what happened in South Australia that proves
[33:48] Speaker 1: as a potential warning to places like Victoria where there
[33:51] Speaker 1: are more regional seats in the parliament, places in New
[33:55] Speaker 1: South Wales where there are more regional seats in the parliament.
[34:00] Speaker 10: Look, I think that it was a fascinating result. I
[34:03] Speaker 10: would like it this time to come back into fen
[34:05] Speaker 10: Maalley from just that righteous attack from Lucy.
[34:09] Speaker 1: But I'll ask, he said, space one of us us
[34:18] Speaker 1: your question.
[34:19] Speaker 9: I don't.
[34:19] Speaker 10: I don't want to distract I don't want to distract
[34:22] Speaker 10: Lucy here. I thought there was a lot of fascinating things.
[34:25] Speaker 10: I want to congratulate Pauline Hanson. I'm being elected the
[34:27] Speaker 10: Premier of South.
[34:28] Speaker 9: Australia because apparently that was the result.
[34:32] Speaker 10: So there is an existential crisis which I think all
[34:36] Speaker 10: three of us would agree for the Liberal Party. Yes,
[34:40] Speaker 10: I think it was a really serious problem for the
[34:43] Speaker 10: Liberal Party. But as Malie said, there are real lessons
[34:47] Speaker 10: that labor has to learn as well, or the same
[34:51] Speaker 10: sorts of eating in some Labour's prime which as you saw,
[34:54] Speaker 10: in only two or three seats in South Australia. But
[34:59] Speaker 10: as you you said, Paul, there are far more regional
[35:02] Speaker 10: seats in Victoria and those outer fringes where if you
[35:07] Speaker 10: look at that demographic in South Australia and you overlay
[35:11] Speaker 10: it into Victoria, the Pauline Handsome message can begin to
[35:16] Speaker 10: cause trouble for Labor in some of those seats. So
[35:20] Speaker 10: I think Maley was very smart to point this out
[35:24] Speaker 10: and to.
[35:25] Speaker 6: Say smart calculated knowing that it's going to look better
[35:30] Speaker 6: with a part of the voter base where he starts
[35:32] Speaker 6: to put on this I'm a pretend patriot hat.
[35:35] Speaker 3: That's not that doesn't come.
[35:36] Speaker 6: Across as mege respects feels start.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Now.
[35:42] Speaker 10: I've known Peter since he was a very young trade
[35:46] Speaker 10: union official, and he is what you would describe and
[35:49] Speaker 10: I would certainly applaud a labor moderate.
[35:54] Speaker 9: He is a centrist with left leanings. He is a moderate.
[35:59] Speaker 3: He all like, what is your patriot?
[36:02] Speaker 10: All of a sudden, the left drive the left, the
[36:05] Speaker 10: broad left drive me insane over their refusal to support
[36:09] Speaker 10: anzac Day, over their refusal to support the flag. And
[36:14] Speaker 10: these are labor moderate positions, not broad left positions.
[36:19] Speaker 9: So I rejoiced when Peter said, though.
[36:23] Speaker 6: You don't think that there was a deliverer and a
[36:26] Speaker 6: political tactic involved at.
[36:28] Speaker 1: All when they bring the Australian flag back to the
[36:30] Speaker 1: Labor Party logo. But of course that means the republic
[36:32] Speaker 1: stuff anyway.
[36:34] Speaker 6: It's talking about being a patriot while he's standing in
[36:36] Speaker 6: front of three flags.
[36:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, now, what's Peter? I want to talk about the
[36:40] Speaker 1: former Communications minister the ABC strike now again workers they
[36:44] Speaker 1: have every right to walk off whatever if they think
[36:46] Speaker 1: they're getting a shitty deal. Fine, fair enough. But something
[36:49] Speaker 1: I want to talk about here, which is not all
[36:51] Speaker 1: the easy stuff about you know, the quality of the product,
[36:54] Speaker 1: all the rest of it. Here, what I always find
[36:57] Speaker 1: really interesting here is there's plenty of people who, of
[36:59] Speaker 1: course of that organization clearly paid up and proud union members, right,
[37:02] Speaker 1: But they also do news coverage where they often report
[37:05] Speaker 1: on issues that involve industrial disputes. Is it ever declared
[37:09] Speaker 1: inside the news of the person who's reporting on the
[37:11] Speaker 1: claim of the insert you now? Does that matter? Yes,
[37:16] Speaker 1: because it extends to further people in the media when
[37:20] Speaker 1: they're reporting about this, don't they actually have to Stephen
[37:23] Speaker 1: turn around and say, hey, by the way, I'm a
[37:25] Speaker 1: member of the union that is currently involved in the
[37:27] Speaker 1: dispute right now. Because if I had a membership interest
[37:32] Speaker 1: in something, if I didn't declare it, you can imagine
[37:35] Speaker 1: the column inches that may follow.
[37:39] Speaker 10: Look, I mean, there are many valid reasons to criticize
[37:44] Speaker 10: the ABC they're reporting and the lean of their coverage.
[37:49] Speaker 10: They've always been more dominated by left and Green supporters
[37:53] Speaker 10: than any other political party. I've been attacked by the
[37:57] Speaker 10: ABC right through my entire political career. So that is
[38:03] Speaker 10: that is just that is understand That is where they
[38:06] Speaker 10: are as to whether or not you should declare whether
[38:09] Speaker 10: you're a trade union. So we have this thing called,
[38:11] Speaker 10: you know, the freedom of association.
[38:13] Speaker 9: But if you're putting on clinical views.
[38:17] Speaker 10: And you're allowed, seriously, just because you're a union member
[38:21] Speaker 10: and I'm and I'm a proud member of the Transport
[38:26] Speaker 10: Workers Union, that doesn't mean I automatically agree with every
[38:29] Speaker 10: c f m U strike, or automatically agree with every
[38:32] Speaker 10: metal workers strike, or automatically agree with every AWU strike.
[38:37] Speaker 10: So to assert simply because you're a member of a
[38:40] Speaker 10: trade union, you've suddenly become a mindless zombie that will
[38:44] Speaker 10: just parrot any line from any other union. It's just
[38:48] Speaker 10: frankly insulting.
[38:49] Speaker 1: If you're going to day what do you think, Stephen
[38:54] Speaker 1: done how many weeks in a row? So I'm just
[38:56] Speaker 1: getting back. I'm just giving you one back quite a
[38:58] Speaker 1: lot and a receipt.
[39:02] Speaker 10: So as to the conduct of the staff who've been
[39:06] Speaker 10: making speeches on camera.
[39:09] Speaker 9: That's the point that we're being about.
[39:11] Speaker 10: You know, yeah, that probably is something that the ABC
[39:14] Speaker 10: management need to consider and for you marks to go
[39:17] Speaker 10: on television go it's all of fell government because they
[39:19] Speaker 10: haven't given us enough money. I mean, I gave the
[39:21] Speaker 10: ABC the biggest increase in funding in their life.
[39:25] Speaker 6: Worry Stephen, they're still asking I believe money, They're still
[39:28] Speaker 6: asking for more money. So the chairman ahead of the
[39:31] Speaker 6: last federal election was lobbying for more money. Bear in
[39:34] Speaker 6: mind they are already the recipients of close to one
[39:37] Speaker 6: point two billion dollars and my former colleagues at SBS
[39:41] Speaker 6: just accepted, just accepted a nine percent increase over three
[39:47] Speaker 6: years with a fifteen hundred dollar bonus without industrial action.
[39:51] Speaker 6: The guys, the mob over at the ABC are being
[39:53] Speaker 6: offered ten percent with one thousand dollars bonus, and they're
[39:57] Speaker 6: choosing to go and strike at a time when right now,
[40:00] Speaker 6: particularly out in the regions, we need the news. We
[40:03] Speaker 6: need to know what's happening in the world. And people
[40:05] Speaker 6: are worried about their own backyards and whether or not
[40:07] Speaker 6: they'll be able to get fuel. So the fact that
[40:09] Speaker 6: they're all going out on TV and crying about some
[40:12] Speaker 6: of my colleagues live in Woollongong. Guess what, sweetheart, tens
[40:15] Speaker 6: of thousands of people within this city are doing the
[40:19] Speaker 6: exact same thing when they're coming to work because of
[40:21] Speaker 6: cost of living pressures. And if your issues are with
[40:23] Speaker 6: cost of living pressures, why don't you go and put
[40:26] Speaker 6: the heat on the guy that you keep giving a
[40:28] Speaker 6: whole past to Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi and stop giving
[40:31] Speaker 6: a wat Conservatives, enough, this isn't about your employer, it's
[40:36] Speaker 6: about the guy at the top.
[40:37] Speaker 1: Correct, And there's a whole conversation about how many weren't
[40:40] Speaker 1: willing to mark ahile paramatter. All right, gang, I do
[40:44] Speaker 1: appreciate it.
[40:45] Speaker 6: Until I bashed you, mate, He's bashed enough.
[40:47] Speaker 10: Of a political Yeah, that's all right, I get the
[40:51] Speaker 10: last day.
[40:53] Speaker 9: I love you guys.
[40:55] Speaker 1: Kelly standing by, Believe me, you want to see everything
[40:57] Speaker 1: she has to say. It's our favorite time of the
[41:04] Speaker 1: week to talk to one of our favorite people in
[41:06] Speaker 1: the world, none of them the wonderful Megan Kelly from
[41:08] Speaker 1: the US, Hello, rockstar, how are you? Yeah? Very good? Now?
[41:12] Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. Trump is going to find some sort of
[41:14] Speaker 1: an off ramp here. I got to be honest, I
[41:17] Speaker 1: was pretty nervous when they were talking about the deadlines
[41:20] Speaker 1: around the Strait of Hamu's the idea about knocking out
[41:23] Speaker 1: Iranian power plants around then turning around saying they were
[41:26] Speaker 1: going to knock out desalination plants. All of that would
[41:29] Speaker 1: just have tumbled the Middle East into an even worse scenario.
[41:33] Speaker 1: Iope he finds the off ramp. Do you think he can?
[41:37] Speaker 2: My biggest takeaway this week so far as he clearly
[41:40] Speaker 2: wants to, so great, hallelujah. That's the biggest thing. Does
[41:45] Speaker 2: he want to? Because Trump can do whatever the heck
[41:47] Speaker 2: he wants. You know, he is in control this. Like
[41:49] Speaker 2: the Iranians, they have a hand to play and they're
[41:51] Speaker 2: playing it. The israelis same, but Trump is in control.
[41:54] Speaker 2: If he wants this to end, it's going to end.
[41:57] Speaker 2: The Iranians don't really want this to go on and on,
[42:00] Speaker 2: just want a say at the negotiation table, and they've
[42:03] Speaker 2: managed to maneuver themselves to a place where they have it.
[42:06] Speaker 2: Trump is listening, and I think all we really needed
[42:08] Speaker 2: to do was get him to the point where he's like,
[42:10] Speaker 2: I want out, I've had enough. And it seems like
[42:13] Speaker 2: he's there, thank god.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean around he's saying, of course there are
[42:18] Speaker 1: no conversations here, so yes, probably a little bit of
[42:20] Speaker 1: spin on the ball, some extra cream on the kit
[42:22] Speaker 1: from Donald Trump. But I'm fine. I'm fine as long
[42:25] Speaker 1: as this off ramp happens, because it really feels like
[42:28] Speaker 1: we are right on the edge of this thing going
[42:30] Speaker 1: to the next level, and I want to avoid that
[42:32] Speaker 1: next level. Right.
[42:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's hedging his bets. I think we've
[42:37] Speaker 2: got some five thousand marines heading to the region because
[42:40] Speaker 2: Trump will play that card and he's not afraid of
[42:43] Speaker 2: putting boots on the ground, and he said that repeatedly
[42:45] Speaker 2: though I think he knows he doesn't want to and
[42:47] Speaker 2: he shouldn't politically, but he's not afraid of amping it
[42:51] Speaker 2: up and scaring them more and saying I'm really going
[42:54] Speaker 2: to do this. I'm just that crazy, you know, Like
[42:56] Speaker 2: I'm the crazy you didn't count on. And that's been
[42:59] Speaker 2: his destabilized technique for years now. So I think it's
[43:02] Speaker 2: probably a scare tactic, but one he's actually not afraid
[43:06] Speaker 2: to do, he doesn't want to do, but would do.
[43:10] Speaker 2: And he has his chips too, you know. I mean,
[43:12] Speaker 2: he does need to remind them in the course of
[43:15] Speaker 2: these negotiations that we are the United States of America,
[43:17] Speaker 2: and we can make this go on for years if
[43:21] Speaker 2: we want to in a way that's going to be
[43:22] Speaker 2: terrible for a rand. It'll be terrible for us too,
[43:25] Speaker 2: terrible for the Middle East, for the United States, not
[43:28] Speaker 2: for Israel. But so he's right to remind them, like
[43:33] Speaker 2: if I want to hurt you, I really can, and
[43:36] Speaker 2: it can go on for a long time in a
[43:37] Speaker 2: way you won't enjoy. So I think Trump's doing what
[43:40] Speaker 2: he needs to to bring this thing to a close.
[43:42] Speaker 1: Now. I want to go somewhere where I genuinely have
[43:45] Speaker 1: intentionally avoided going for a long time, but it's time
[43:48] Speaker 1: to do it right. It is to respond to those
[43:51] Speaker 1: who send me emails or messages, and frankly, they just
[43:54] Speaker 1: will say why to keep having Megan Kelly on the show. Now,
[43:57] Speaker 1: all of this comes back to the fact that you
[43:59] Speaker 1: want denounce people who have gone perhaps a little too
[44:02] Speaker 1: far on the issue of Israel. Now, I believe in
[44:05] Speaker 1: my heart and have defended you on and off air,
[44:08] Speaker 1: that I know you are not, and I mean absolutely not,
[44:12] Speaker 1: an anti Semite. But here's the opportunity for us to
[44:15] Speaker 1: talk about it. How do you respond to this constant
[44:18] Speaker 1: drumbeat of questions. I want to give you the chance,
[44:21] Speaker 1: in your own words on our air to tell us
[44:24] Speaker 1: what you really think.
[44:27] Speaker 2: I think it's truly crazy and it's not organic. It
[44:31] Speaker 2: is organized, an organized attempt to take me down, to
[44:35] Speaker 2: take down my show, to have me canceled, and honestly,
[44:38] Speaker 2: judging from the number of death threats I get on
[44:40] Speaker 2: a daily basis, for some to have me killed, it's
[44:44] Speaker 2: really crossed over into a very dark and dangerous place.
[44:47] Speaker 2: If I could walk you through the security precautions we've
[44:50] Speaker 2: had to add to my life, you'd be horrified. And
[44:53] Speaker 2: it's all because I won't denounce Tucker Carlson. That's really
[44:58] Speaker 2: what's at the heart of it. They add on candas Owans,
[45:01] Speaker 2: but she and I aren't. We don't even know each other.
[45:03] Speaker 2: I don't platform Candace on this show. That's just an
[45:06] Speaker 2: excuse to get to the Tucker issue. They are desperate
[45:10] Speaker 2: for me to defriend Tucker, who they think is an
[45:13] Speaker 2: anti semi I disagree with them. I listen to most
[45:16] Speaker 2: of Tucker's shows, not all, and Tucker does focus on
[45:20] Speaker 2: Israel a lot. He clearly doesn't like the Israeli government
[45:23] Speaker 2: at all, and he thinks that they're a very dangerous
[45:25] Speaker 2: force in the world and for America in particular. That's
[45:28] Speaker 2: where his focus goes. His detractors say, no, it goes
[45:31] Speaker 2: to Jews. No, it doesn't. I listen to a show.
[45:33] Speaker 2: It doesn't go to Jews. They don't like some of
[45:35] Speaker 2: his guests he's platformed, you know, they say this guy's
[45:38] Speaker 2: a Holocaust deny are Now I haven't gone back and
[45:40] Speaker 2: looked at all the positions of all the guests he's
[45:43] Speaker 2: had in the show. I have my own show and
[45:44] Speaker 2: my own life to live, but I've certainly never heard
[45:47] Speaker 2: Tucker diminish the Holocaust, etc. Now, he does have a
[45:53] Speaker 2: different way of looking at history. I mean, he's very
[45:55] Speaker 2: anti war. He looks back at somebody like Winston Churchill,
[45:58] Speaker 2: and he thinks he was too bellach cost and too
[46:00] Speaker 2: much of a hawk, and he thinks the guy's legacy
[46:03] Speaker 2: ought to be re examined. Do I agree with that? No,
[46:05] Speaker 2: but care it's not who gives a damn. I don't
[46:08] Speaker 2: have to go through my friend's show and pick everything
[46:11] Speaker 2: he said and every guest he's had and evaluate whether
[46:14] Speaker 2: I think this is a good guest or a good comment.
[46:17] Speaker 2: And those people don't have to listen to Tucker if
[46:19] Speaker 2: they don't want to. What they really want is for
[46:21] Speaker 2: me to tell the world he's an anti Semite so
[46:23] Speaker 2: that they can grow in power and they can diminish him.
[46:26] Speaker 2: And I have zero interest in doing that. In fact,
[46:30] Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now I will never do it. Never,
[46:34] Speaker 2: not only because he's my friend and I'm not going
[46:37] Speaker 2: to do that to somebody who's had my back many
[46:38] Speaker 2: times and I don't believe their accusations, but because much
[46:43] Speaker 2: in the way that they're like, say the thing about
[46:44] Speaker 2: Candice Owans, now they've made it the stakes of the relationship,
[46:48] Speaker 2: like you will say it or will hurt your show?
[46:50] Speaker 2: You'll say it or will hurt you will go yourselves? No,
[46:55] Speaker 2: The answer is no, I'll never say it now, and
[46:58] Speaker 2: I don't care. Honestly, I really don't care what Candace
[47:00] Speaker 2: Someone's spins or says or whatever. It's go ahead, it's
[47:03] Speaker 2: her show. She can do what she wants. What they
[47:07] Speaker 2: really are upset about there is the Tucker thing, and
[47:09] Speaker 2: secondly they want me to call her out for her
[47:14] Speaker 2: suggestions that Israel may have had something to do with
[47:17] Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's death. Now it's morphed into say. What she
[47:20] Speaker 2: says about Erica Kirk is terrible. I've said many times
[47:22] Speaker 2: I disagree with everything she's saying about Erica. I love Erica.
[47:25] Speaker 2: I think she's a deeply beautiful, religious, good person. And
[47:30] Speaker 2: I don't agree with Cannas on that, and Cannis knows that.
[47:32] Speaker 2: But what Cannas is asking about Israel and the relationship
[47:37] Speaker 2: Charlie had with Israel prior to his death is completely
[47:40] Speaker 2: legitimate in my view, and I actually favor her asking
[47:43] Speaker 2: those questions. And people say, are you okay? Well I do, sorry,
[47:46] Speaker 2: but I do. I actually have some knowledge about Charlie's
[47:50] Speaker 2: relationship on that front, and questions that haven't been answered
[47:53] Speaker 2: around his death that I think are worth probing. It's
[47:56] Speaker 2: not how I'm going to spend the time on my
[47:57] Speaker 2: show because this is my beat. You know, I don't
[48:00] Speaker 2: delve into foreign policy that much, but I'm fine with
[48:03] Speaker 2: people who want to spend their time probing it. So look,
[48:06] Speaker 2: that's where things stand. And if that's a problem for
[48:09] Speaker 2: some viewers, and they have the beauty of the change
[48:12] Speaker 2: the channel thing on their phone and they can use it,
[48:15] Speaker 2: they don't have to click on my face. But you know,
[48:17] Speaker 2: right now, our show is thriving. We have millions of
[48:21] Speaker 2: subscribers and followers and so on who are happy to
[48:24] Speaker 2: ignore these rabid beasts who want only to destroy because
[48:29] Speaker 2: of a friendship I won't end. Well, you might as
[48:32] Speaker 2: well knock on somebody else's door, because this one's closed.
[48:35] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[48:35] Speaker 1: There's plenty more in that conversation, and a full version
[48:37] Speaker 1: of that is up on a YouTube page, and also
[48:39] Speaker 1: it's gotten us dot com dot au. All right, thank
[48:41] Speaker 1: you so much for watching The Savening. We'll see you
[48:43] Speaker 1: again tomorrow night. The Light Divide is stakes to you
[48:45] Speaker 1: on Scott's

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