# Paul Murray Live | 12 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 12 Oct 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/d67e22fb-ce2b-4771-a94a-b37400ba7fed/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Tony Abbott draws political and media heavyweights to the launch of his new documentary, Lidia Thorpe threatens to burn down Parliament House at a pro-Palestine rally. Plus, One Nation surges as Liberals feud over immigration. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. What
[0:07] Speaker 1: a day at Bathist. What a race.
[0:10] Speaker 2: The first third amazing, the middle, the last unbelievable, never
[0:15] Speaker 2: seen the weather like that, never seen.
[0:18] Speaker 1: It is tight at the end.
[0:20] Speaker 2: There was a moment for those of us that were
[0:22] Speaker 2: cheering on the Chico loving everything to do with Erebus.
[0:25] Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Congratulations twenty one year old Matt Payne wins his first
[0:29] Speaker 2: Bathist Holden now Chevy legend, yet of course he did
[0:34] Speaker 2: it in afford is Garth Tander he gets his sixth.
[0:37] Speaker 2: Congratulations to Penright Racing. What a win and anyone who
[0:40] Speaker 2: watched a little bit of it or every damn second
[0:43] Speaker 2: of it.
[0:44] Speaker 1: What a special day it was to be in front
[0:46] Speaker 1: of the Telly today.
[0:46] Speaker 2: Congratulations so all of the Fox Sports team who did
[0:49] Speaker 2: a spectacular job as always, Skaith Crompton, Jess, We love
[0:53] Speaker 2: you guys. All right, let us get to other stuff,
[0:55] Speaker 2: because apparently there's other stuff around. We will deal with
[0:59] Speaker 2: that one than Lee Hanson and Daniel wild Noos looks
[1:02] Speaker 2: no lefties tonight. Speaking of our mate Mark Dolan, we'll
[1:05] Speaker 2: start joining us as a Sunday regular.
[1:07] Speaker 1: He will join us from London each and every.
[1:10] Speaker 2: Sunday Night, which I'm very much looking forward to now
[1:13] Speaker 2: at a great night on Friday Night celebrating the incredible
[1:19] Speaker 2: work that has been done by the former Prime Minister
[1:23] Speaker 2: of Australia, Tony Abbott in a book that he is
[1:26] Speaker 2: about to release, in fact, it is available tomorrow. It's
[1:28] Speaker 2: called Australia History and what is a three part documentary
[1:33] Speaker 2: Now Sky News has never done something as ambitious as
[1:37] Speaker 2: big and in my view impressive, one of those bits
[1:41] Speaker 2: of television that will last well beyond many news cycles
[1:47] Speaker 2: and will be around for many, many years. It was
[1:49] Speaker 2: an honor to be there. It was a pretty special occasion.
[1:52] Speaker 2: And Tony Abbott has put together a book, as I
[1:55] Speaker 2: say about it, and the actual documentary is going to
[1:58] Speaker 2: be not one, but three nights in a row. The book,
[2:01] Speaker 2: which is out tomorrow, please buy it tomorrow, don't muck
[2:05] Speaker 2: around Australia a History. It'll be available tomorrow, coinciding with
[2:09] Speaker 2: the premiere of the three part documentary tomorrow Tuesday and
[2:13] Speaker 2: Wednesday seven thirty pm Australian East and daylight time here
[2:18] Speaker 2: on Sky News. It was a great not on Friday night.
[2:20] Speaker 2: I've had a chance to see a bit of the documentary,
[2:22] Speaker 2: read a bit.
[2:22] Speaker 1: Of the book. I will do so more across the week,
[2:25] Speaker 1: but I tell.
[2:25] Speaker 2: You buy the book tomorrow, Buy it for somebody who
[2:28] Speaker 2: cares about our country for Christmas, and watch the documentary
[2:31] Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Hear Sky News at seven point thirty looking
[2:35] Speaker 2: forward to that the next three days now from somebody
[2:39] Speaker 2: who celebrates Australia to somebody who seemingly does not like
[2:42] Speaker 2: much about modern Australia because she believes we've never dealt
[2:44] Speaker 2: with the original sin that is, of course, the matters
[2:48] Speaker 2: of modern Australia. And while we are looking forward to
[2:52] Speaker 2: by this time tomorrow night, Hamas releasing all of the
[2:57] Speaker 2: living and the dead hostages that remain and celebrate to
[3:00] Speaker 2: that effect ahead of that moment, which will play out
[3:03] Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours live on your screen.
[3:07] Speaker 2: It's about what midday currently in Israel right now. The
[3:12] Speaker 2: expectation is that by tomorrow morning their time, which again
[3:17] Speaker 2: will be mid morning for us, the first of the
[3:21] Speaker 2: hostages will be released again. If things go to their
[3:23] Speaker 2: traditional timings, that may well fall right into primetime as well.
[3:26] Speaker 2: But an incredible moment is ahead thanks to the work
[3:29] Speaker 2: of Donald J. Trump being able to broker that cease
[3:32] Speaker 2: fire arrangement, no more bombs falling on Gaza, incredible pictures
[3:36] Speaker 2: of people returning to their homes after the two years
[3:39] Speaker 2: of war, and again peace to the people of Israel
[3:42] Speaker 2: who have long been afraid of what had happened, to
[3:44] Speaker 2: those who were still alive, and those who wanted to
[3:47] Speaker 2: get the remains of those that had been taken more
[3:49] Speaker 2: than two years ago on October the seventh. Now, despite
[3:53] Speaker 2: the fact that the bombs have stopped falling and there
[3:55] Speaker 2: are going to be the hostages that are sent home,
[3:58] Speaker 2: we still had protests. I'm not entirely sure about what now. Yes,
[4:03] Speaker 2: there are long standing issues of which many people say, well,
[4:06] Speaker 2: that's the reason to keep going. Well, no, the justification
[4:08] Speaker 2: for the day in, day out has been the dropping
[4:12] Speaker 2: of bombs.
[4:13] Speaker 1: Well that's all stopped. So why did people take to
[4:16] Speaker 1: the streets today? Well, apart from perhaps habit for some.
[4:20] Speaker 2: But as always, if Lydia Thorpe is at a protest,
[4:22] Speaker 2: she has to make it about her, and yes, I
[4:25] Speaker 2: have to say it was very much about her today. Now,
[4:28] Speaker 2: for some reason, people have decided to mashed together the
[4:32] Speaker 2: issues around Palestine and indigenous peoples in this country. And
[4:36] Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe, as you will have heard by now, made
[4:38] Speaker 2: an extraordinary comment that I don't understand how there is
[4:42] Speaker 2: not some sort.
[4:43] Speaker 1: Of legal consequence to this.
[4:45] Speaker 2: And even if she is understandably not understandably if she
[4:49] Speaker 2: is speaking in hyperbole, but if any other person had
[4:53] Speaker 2: said what she had said, you'd be getting a phone
[4:55] Speaker 2: call from the Federal police when you make threats like this.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Let's see what happens to Lydia Thorpe.
[5:01] Speaker 3: And we will fight every day, and we will turn
[5:05] Speaker 3: up every day. And if I have to brand down
[5:09] Speaker 3: Parliament House to make a poet, I am not there.
[5:17] Speaker 3: N came. I'm really get just crown people.
[5:22] Speaker 2: It is honestly extraordinary. But see what happens in the
[5:25] Speaker 2: next set of seven. Her political nemesis is somebody who
[5:29] Speaker 2: has never been more popular in terms of a nationwide appeal.
[5:33] Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen, in not one but two opinion polls, including
[5:37] Speaker 2: one which has just dropped in the past couple of hours,
[5:40] Speaker 2: is now in a position where one nation nationally is
[5:43] Speaker 2: more popular than the Greens. Now think about it, the
[5:45] Speaker 2: Green sitting at about eleven percent, they're able to get one, two,
[5:48] Speaker 2: three senators elected at each and every cycle. If this
[5:51] Speaker 2: keeps up, one Nation will be adding one, two, three,
[5:54] Speaker 2: maybe four at each and every cycle and they will
[5:57] Speaker 2: become an absolute dominant force that comes to the cross
[6:01] Speaker 2: bench of Australian politics. Now we all know why this
[6:04] Speaker 2: is happening. We all know that it is perhaps hardcore
[6:07] Speaker 2: more conservative coalition supporters that have decided to go somewhere else.
[6:12] Speaker 2: But as we've been in a long conversation about One
[6:15] Speaker 2: Nation for as long as we have had access to
[6:17] Speaker 2: a microphone and a television camera, but simply people seem
[6:21] Speaker 2: to vote a little more ideologically in the Senate. So
[6:25] Speaker 2: if you are somebody of the hard left, you're going
[6:27] Speaker 2: to vote Greens as the insurance policy against what Labour
[6:30] Speaker 2: does should they form government in the lower House. And
[6:33] Speaker 2: I have long said that there is a vote that
[6:35] Speaker 2: is waiting to do the same in the Senate. And
[6:39] Speaker 2: we've seen lots of people come and go, But the
[6:41] Speaker 2: one who has stood out the brightest, the boldest and
[6:45] Speaker 2: the longest is Pauline Hanson and is One Nation. This
[6:48] Speaker 2: is not just a Queensland phenomenon, and it is not
[6:51] Speaker 2: just a falling over.
[6:52] Speaker 1: The line phenomena.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Remember at the last election they got senators elected in Queensland,
[6:57] Speaker 2: Newst Wales and Western Australia, none of whom were aimed
[7:00] Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen. Now Malcolm Roberts did an incredible job of
[7:03] Speaker 2: being able to build it all with social media. But
[7:05] Speaker 2: very obviously there is a very significant number of Australians
[7:09] Speaker 2: who want to take out insurance against whatever government happens downstairs,
[7:13] Speaker 2: either a more pure form of opposition to a Labor
[7:17] Speaker 2: government or a handbreak from some of the more lefty
[7:20] Speaker 2: madness at times that can take over the Liberal Party.
[7:24] Speaker 2: Well again, the Labor Party together with the Greens, they
[7:27] Speaker 2: remain in a position where the two party preferred. Is
[7:30] Speaker 2: embarrassing to talk about in terms of the contest. But
[7:34] Speaker 2: we are, of course at the reset. We're still almost
[7:36] Speaker 2: three years away from election. But the idea there that
[7:39] Speaker 2: in the Resolve Pole which came out the seating in
[7:42] Speaker 2: the Channel nine newspapers, that one nation outpoles the Greens
[7:45] Speaker 2: by a full point is a seismic change. Now with
[7:49] Speaker 2: the result Pole, they also ask people for a comment
[7:52] Speaker 2: about why they are choosing to place their vote where
[7:54] Speaker 2: they're placing. Some of the negative comments about the government.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Read as follows. The Labour Party is done a hopeless job.
[7:59] Speaker 2: The cost of living has risen so much under them.
[8:02] Speaker 2: Somebody's just voting for a change. Really, the economy is bad,
[8:05] Speaker 2: living standards are falling. AI will take jobs. The current
[8:09] Speaker 2: government's direction makes me feel a bit unsafe because I
[8:13] Speaker 2: feel Labor doesn't care about the working class anymore.
[8:16] Speaker 1: They decided to move their vote wherever.
[8:17] Speaker 2: They have moved their vote again to the left paths
[8:20] Speaker 2: with the Greens, but more likely to places like One Nation,
[8:23] Speaker 2: which are now more popular than the Greens.
[8:25] Speaker 1: Hellelujah.
[8:25] Speaker 2: The federal government have really failed people on the promises
[8:29] Speaker 2: that they made previously. I mentioned there was another pole
[8:33] Speaker 2: in the Australian Financial Review. They've ditched the people who
[8:35] Speaker 2: got it wrong and they've got the people now who
[8:37] Speaker 2: get it oh so right, and that is the Red
[8:39] Speaker 2: Bridge organization. And it may cost Samarus. We'll have a
[8:42] Speaker 2: chat to cost on the show to morrow because there's
[8:43] Speaker 2: a lot more detail apart from the headlines. But the
[8:45] Speaker 2: headliness readers follows One Nation surges is the Liberals squabble
[8:49] Speaker 2: over immigration.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Have a look here now.
[8:54] Speaker 2: It was a one point gap in the Channel nine
[8:57] Speaker 2: pole in this pole, they are now sitting at fourteen
[9:01] Speaker 2: percent to the Greens eleven percent and the Teal independent
[9:07] Speaker 2: other is sitting at twelve so they are now running third.
[9:11] Speaker 2: They're on the podium now as you can see, two
[9:13] Speaker 2: party preferred. Because the Greens and most of the Teals
[9:16] Speaker 2: add up with Labor, they end up in a again
[9:18] Speaker 2: disgraceful position for those of us who don't want to
[9:21] Speaker 2: see this government get stronger by the day, at fifty
[9:23] Speaker 2: four to forty six.
[9:24] Speaker 1: But this thing matters.
[9:26] Speaker 2: And also, as you know, the reality of the Australian
[9:29] Speaker 2: electric if you had to look at the electoral role,
[9:31] Speaker 2: and just because the electoral role tells us a story
[9:34] Speaker 2: does not mean, of course that everyone goes one way
[9:37] Speaker 2: and everyone goes another. But the reality is that you
[9:40] Speaker 2: can sort of split the country up and down when
[9:43] Speaker 2: it comes to gender, and you can start to slice
[9:45] Speaker 2: it when it comes to age. Remember there are more
[9:48] Speaker 2: female voters and there are now more people under the
[9:52] Speaker 2: age of fifty, and according to many of these poles,
[9:56] Speaker 2: that means you end up in the scenario where the
[9:58] Speaker 2: Left is currently leading. In fact, because again who we
[10:02] Speaker 2: will talk to tomorrow night, just follow here because I'm
[10:05] Speaker 2: going to do this in two ways. One, I want
[10:08] Speaker 2: you to look on the right hand side, okay. Two
[10:09] Speaker 2: Party preferred currently fifty four to forty six. With young
[10:13] Speaker 2: people it is sixty nine to thirty one in favor
[10:15] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. For millennials, it's fifty two forty eight.
[10:19] Speaker 2: And then my group Gen X, it's very close fifty
[10:22] Speaker 2: one forty nine. And then when you go to baby
[10:24] Speaker 2: boomers and hire anyone over the age of say fifty five,
[10:27] Speaker 2: it's fifty five forty five. You can see there when
[10:30] Speaker 2: you look over, have a look for your generation, and
[10:32] Speaker 2: you can start to see that that number, by the
[10:35] Speaker 2: way of one nation, it's not just fifty five plus.
[10:38] Speaker 2: It's not just people over, say forty five. But we're
[10:42] Speaker 2: now into a scenario where an awful lot of people
[10:44] Speaker 2: over the age of thirty five are also sitting in
[10:46] Speaker 2: that one nation column. So there is a lot to
[10:49] Speaker 2: talk to our panel tonight, which of course includes the
[10:52] Speaker 2: wonderful Lee Hanson, who is part of this revolution that
[10:55] Speaker 2: is happening before our eyes. A fascinating conversation that we
[10:59] Speaker 2: will have with with her and Daniel Wilde, and a
[11:02] Speaker 2: later unpacking of.
[11:03] Speaker 1: Things tomorrow night with cos Samorus.
[11:05] Speaker 2: So, as always, if you care about the detail, if
[11:07] Speaker 2: you want to know how the country's actually going as
[11:08] Speaker 2: opposed to what we hope it to be a little temperature,
[11:12] Speaker 2: check Costamus tomorrow night on the show, speaking of none
[11:15] Speaker 2: other than Matt Canavan. We love Matt Canavan and he
[11:17] Speaker 2: will be absolutely tickle plink pink at the moment. And
[11:22] Speaker 2: Chris Powen may be slightly concerned although obviously one is
[11:25] Speaker 2: in power, one is not. And when it comes to
[11:27] Speaker 2: matters of net zero, this is fascinating. Now we keep
[11:31] Speaker 2: being told that Australia doesn't want to do anything about
[11:35] Speaker 2: moving away from net zero. By twenty fifty, we'll have a.
[11:37] Speaker 1: Look at this.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Thirty seven percent of people agree or strongly agree that
[11:43] Speaker 2: the Federal Coalition should abandon its net zero position, basically
[11:50] Speaker 2: the same number there in terms of those who disagree
[11:53] Speaker 2: or strongly disagree. And then the number that really matters
[11:55] Speaker 2: is the gray one on the far end. A quarter
[11:58] Speaker 2: of voters have now moved in are not sure. So
[12:02] Speaker 2: does this mean that the Labor Party doubles down. If
[12:05] Speaker 2: you don't believe in a zero, then you don't believe
[12:06] Speaker 2: in climate changeing, you don't believe in modern Australia, or
[12:09] Speaker 2: those who have argued that the Coalition can win an
[12:12] Speaker 2: argument because there is a significant number of people that
[12:14] Speaker 2: are still up in the air. Again, we'll talk to
[12:16] Speaker 2: Matt Canavan about that, most likely tomorrow, but there is
[12:19] Speaker 2: a lot to get to in all of these numbers.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Fascinating to see. Right.
[12:23] Speaker 2: A couple of other issues, As you know on the show,
[12:26] Speaker 2: we do not shy away from the subject of big Australia.
[12:28] Speaker 2: Why because Australia, which had eighteen million people in it
[12:33] Speaker 2: thirty years ago, has now got twenty eight million people
[12:36] Speaker 2: in it now and it will be on its way
[12:39] Speaker 2: to forty million plus in thirty years from now.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Now.
[12:45] Speaker 2: People like Andrew Hasty have made it very clear that
[12:48] Speaker 2: this is one of those issues they desperately want to
[12:50] Speaker 2: talk about. I have criticized when he starts to move
[12:54] Speaker 2: into the lane of the strangers in our own country argument,
[12:58] Speaker 2: because the reality is that in many men, many many electorates,
[13:01] Speaker 2: particularly the ones in Sydney and Melbourne, more than half
[13:04] Speaker 2: of the people who vote in elections have a parent
[13:06] Speaker 2: born overseas now, whether that's in the UK or whether
[13:08] Speaker 2: it's from India or China, it all changes where you go.
[13:11] Speaker 2: That's why in my case, in my belief, you don't
[13:14] Speaker 2: focus in on the identity part of it. You talk
[13:18] Speaker 2: about it in terms of numbers, in terms of infrastructure,
[13:20] Speaker 2: in terms of issues that are less offensive but just
[13:25] Speaker 2: as impactful. Which is why the coalition and remember Andrew
[13:28] Speaker 2: Hasty walked away from the front bench because he despite
[13:32] Speaker 2: the fact that he was the Hohome Affairs Minister, which
[13:33] Speaker 2: is the more senior spokesperson position to the immigration position,
[13:37] Speaker 2: he wasn't going to be given the ability to shape
[13:40] Speaker 2: the immigration policy. So the person who would under the
[13:43] Speaker 2: current regime inside the Liberal Party, it'll be a bloke
[13:46] Speaker 2: called Paul scar A senator quote. Immigration policy must be
[13:50] Speaker 2: in a national interest. But more than that, the debate
[13:52] Speaker 2: in relation to immigration policy must be conducted in a
[13:55] Speaker 2: way which is also in our national interests.
[13:57] Speaker 1: So a bit of it each way, but you get
[13:59] Speaker 1: where they're arting to go.
[14:00] Speaker 2: The debate with respect to Australia's immigration policy must be had.
[14:03] Speaker 2: It's an important debate, but it must not seek to
[14:06] Speaker 2: inflame emotion but rather engage in good faith with respect
[14:09] Speaker 2: to the issues that need to be debated in our
[14:11] Speaker 2: national interest.
[14:12] Speaker 1: It is in our common interest. I agree completely with
[14:14] Speaker 1: all of that.
[14:14] Speaker 2: I think you can be a little more specific about
[14:17] Speaker 2: the fact that you know, eight hundred people are lining
[14:20] Speaker 2: up to apply for one rental property in the eastern
[14:24] Speaker 2: suburbs of Sydney. One hundred and fifty people are lining
[14:26] Speaker 2: up for rental properties in regional Queensland.
[14:30] Speaker 1: There are not enough homes yet hundreds of.
[14:33] Speaker 2: Thousands becomes half a million, becomes a million, becomes two
[14:36] Speaker 2: million by the end of this government. And does anyone
[14:38] Speaker 2: think that our current resourcing is good enough for twenty
[14:41] Speaker 2: twenty five numbers, let alone twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty
[14:44] Speaker 2: nine and two thousand and forty. No, And then we
[14:48] Speaker 2: get to those that are the political opportunists. There is
[14:51] Speaker 2: a disgraceful move on by left wing members of a
[14:55] Speaker 2: local council in Sydney who are still trying to keep
[14:58] Speaker 2: alive just into price and trying to whip up fear
[15:02] Speaker 2: in the Indian community. Now, this is ridiculous in the
[15:06] Speaker 2: same way that local councils want to have their say
[15:10] Speaker 2: on the Middle East or want to declare a climate emergency.
[15:13] Speaker 2: Could somebody please tell Paramatta Council to pull their head
[15:16] Speaker 2: in here because this is their plan. Paramatta Council, one
[15:20] Speaker 2: of Sydney's most populated and multicultural communities, will debate a
[15:23] Speaker 2: motion on Monday that calls for the Northern Territory Senator
[15:26] Speaker 2: to publicly apologize for questioning the voting patterns of Indian migrants.
[15:31] Speaker 1: I mean, that's ridiculous.
[15:33] Speaker 2: Why would a local council have any power over a
[15:36] Speaker 2: federal politician, let alone skew and I mean skew the
[15:42] Speaker 2: comments that remember if anyone had actually paid attention to
[15:46] Speaker 2: the actual words. But remember, we're sort of playing a
[15:48] Speaker 2: whispers game here where you just shave off the edges,
[15:51] Speaker 2: shave off the edges and just people start remembering the
[15:54] Speaker 2: caricature of the comments. There's a bit more from sky
[15:57] Speaker 2: News dot com dot au here to see. Councilors have
[16:02] Speaker 2: received numerous messages from the community expressing their disappointment that
[16:07] Speaker 2: political leaders would make irresponsible statements that undermine community harmony.
[16:11] Speaker 2: The motion reads, well, you should have told people thank
[16:14] Speaker 2: you so much for your feedback. But we're in charge
[16:16] Speaker 2: of the roads, the rates, the rubbish and the public library.
[16:19] Speaker 2: It is not our job to police what is being
[16:21] Speaker 2: said or not said by federal politicians. Yet this will
[16:24] Speaker 2: be a vote tomorrow and if past the council motion
[16:27] Speaker 2: would officially label miss Price's comments as divisive and harmful.
[16:32] Speaker 1: To community harmony. What garbage?
[16:34] Speaker 2: They would demand the Senate to make a public apology.
[16:37] Speaker 2: Of course, they have no power, they cannot enforce it.
[16:40] Speaker 2: But will they grandstand pay attention to the political affiliations
[16:43] Speaker 2: of the people whom will supposedly be speaking on behalf
[16:47] Speaker 2: of the community of Paramatter. I again say to the
[16:49] Speaker 2: people who represent the people in the city of Paramatta,
[16:52] Speaker 2: which is a thriving metropolis. I do love when inner
[16:56] Speaker 2: Westy journalists in Sydney have just discovered the second CBD
[17:01] Speaker 2: of Sydney as it has been for more than thirty years.
[17:04] Speaker 2: But okay, welcome to the party. I'm glad you made
[17:07] Speaker 2: it over the Gladesville Bridge. I'm sure you had to,
[17:10] Speaker 2: you know, pay for padieons because it was such a
[17:13] Speaker 2: far trip from the office. But Paramatta is a thriving place.
[17:17] Speaker 2: We showed it in our show from Western Sydney just
[17:19] Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago.
[17:20] Speaker 1: In our town.
[17:23] Speaker 2: Focus on the roads, the rates, the rubbish, the library,
[17:27] Speaker 2: the idea that perhaps maybe knock off a few of
[17:29] Speaker 2: these one way streets and you can't turn left, you
[17:31] Speaker 2: can't turn right. It's very specific, and I know we're
[17:33] Speaker 2: a national show, but that's their focus, not this crap.
[17:36] Speaker 2: But watch the media follow this crap more than anything
[17:38] Speaker 2: else they've.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Done in the past few years.
[17:41] Speaker 2: If you're a Quantus customer, you are one of many
[17:44] Speaker 2: who may be quite concerned tonight because data breaches are
[17:48] Speaker 2: again back in the news, and this time because the
[17:52] Speaker 2: company has refused to pay the ransom. We now have
[17:55] Speaker 2: personal data a five point million Quantus customers has been
[17:57] Speaker 2: releaged onto the dark web. Let us see, by the way,
[18:03] Speaker 2: if the federal politicians who tried to make all of
[18:05] Speaker 2: the hay out of Optus decide to go as hard
[18:08] Speaker 2: after Quantus, or of course today get nervous about the
[18:11] Speaker 2: chairman's club status, which means we're not going to hear
[18:13] Speaker 2: a lot of bashing up of Quantus and here how
[18:16] Speaker 2: it has been holding on to data. Now, of course
[18:18] Speaker 2: they are the victims of our criminal act. But let's
[18:21] Speaker 2: wait and see. Will the finger painting were the finger painting,
[18:23] Speaker 2: finger pointing and mental finger painting? There ego of some
[18:28] Speaker 2: of the politicians about Optus extend a Quantas orders that
[18:32] Speaker 2: affect their status. No, he's part of an explainer from
[18:34] Speaker 2: Channel nine about exactly what has made it onto the
[18:36] Speaker 2: darkest parts.
[18:37] Speaker 1: Of the web.
[18:39] Speaker 4: It was a deadline set by the hackers yesterday afternoon
[18:42] Speaker 4: Australian time, and with no ransom paid, Quantus customers have
[18:46] Speaker 4: had their personal data release. Quantas was among a number
[18:49] Speaker 4: of companies attacked or customers of Global technology Giant Sales Force,
[18:54] Speaker 4: with hackers gaining access to an airline call center by
[18:57] Speaker 4: impersonating legitimate employees. The leak details include dates of birth
[19:02] Speaker 4: phone numbers, addresses, emails and frequent flyer numbers, but Quata
[19:06] Speaker 4: says no credit card details, personal financial information or passport
[19:11] Speaker 4: details were stolen and no frequent flyer accounts were compromised.
[19:15] Speaker 4: Cyber experts say this information alone isn't a major concern,
[19:19] Speaker 4: but warn it can be used with other personal data
[19:22] Speaker 4: already out in the open.
[19:24] Speaker 2: Now, as you know, we play politics hard here. Why
[19:27] Speaker 2: because it's about the future of the country. You also
[19:29] Speaker 2: know how strong a critic I have been of this government.
[19:32] Speaker 2: But if you're sitting down, I'm about to say something
[19:34] Speaker 2: nice about them. Federal Parliament last week debated legislation, which
[19:39] Speaker 2: is a good idea. Now, people whose babies don't make
[19:44] Speaker 2: it all the way through and things like stillbirth that
[19:48] Speaker 2: means you still have to give birth to a baby
[19:51] Speaker 2: that may well have already passed, or a baby that passes.
[19:55] Speaker 1: During the process of childbirth.
[19:58] Speaker 2: Well, lots of politics have got together and they are
[20:01] Speaker 2: going to approve parental leave the same amount of time
[20:05] Speaker 2: that you would be spending normally with a baby as
[20:08] Speaker 2: part of the beginnings. There's never a healing process, but
[20:11] Speaker 2: the beginnings of the coping process when the worst possible
[20:14] Speaker 2: thing takes place. Now you know why I care about this,
[20:17] Speaker 2: but you also know that you may know somebody in
[20:20] Speaker 2: your world and it may will even have been you
[20:23] Speaker 2: many years ago, or maybe you might be watching us
[20:25] Speaker 2: right now after coming home and visiting family and hospital.
[20:28] Speaker 1: This is a good idea. It's a good idea. It's
[20:30] Speaker 1: a decent idea.
[20:31] Speaker 2: I know there are some conversations on the very edge
[20:35] Speaker 2: of this that have tried to pull this into the
[20:37] Speaker 2: abortion conversation.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Well, it's not about that. It is about stillbirth.
[20:41] Speaker 2: It is about people who lose their babies, and well,
[20:45] Speaker 2: of course, believe me, it is again a process that
[20:48] Speaker 2: you never heal from, but again finding your sea legs
[20:51] Speaker 2: to be able to begin to cope and to get
[20:52] Speaker 2: the support the idea that you will be able to.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Have the same paternal and same maternal leave. It's a
[20:57] Speaker 1: good idea.
[20:58] Speaker 2: So thank you to everyone who support the idea pushed
[21:01] Speaker 2: it through Parliament. This was a good idea against strength
[21:05] Speaker 2: and love to everyone who deals with it, either very
[21:08] Speaker 2: fresh or very much in the past. It hurts and
[21:10] Speaker 2: it hurts forever.
[21:13] Speaker 1: Now.
[21:13] Speaker 2: As you know, we care a lot about how older
[21:16] Speaker 2: Australians are dealt with and sometimes poorly dealt with by
[21:23] Speaker 2: our country. And there's been a story which has been
[21:25] Speaker 2: floating around for a couple of weeks and I wanted
[21:27] Speaker 2: to take some time to talk about it here on
[21:29] Speaker 2: Sunday Night. The Older Person's Advocacy Network has done a
[21:33] Speaker 2: great job in putting together some data that has gone
[21:36] Speaker 2: into a story to talk about the number of people
[21:38] Speaker 2: who should be in aged care but aren't in age
[21:40] Speaker 2: care for a whole collection of different reasons, but they
[21:42] Speaker 2: are just being left in hospitals.
[21:45] Speaker 1: Now.
[21:45] Speaker 2: This of course has the flow and effect about hospital
[21:48] Speaker 2: beds that are unable to be offered to people who
[21:51] Speaker 2: will be coming in and out faster. But can I
[21:53] Speaker 2: read a little bit from this story because it is
[21:55] Speaker 2: really important. Again, you're not going to see this stuff
[21:58] Speaker 2: on the six pm news. You're not going to see
[21:59] Speaker 2: more people leading their shows with it for obvious reasons.
[22:02] Speaker 2: But it's important. And again it's just a way of
[22:05] Speaker 2: you knowing that we see you on this side of
[22:08] Speaker 2: the camera. Okay, Elderly people are being put up in
[22:10] Speaker 2: hotels by overburdened hospitals and are being chased by debt
[22:15] Speaker 2: collectors and alarming signs that the age care system again
[22:20] Speaker 2: is in crisis.
[22:21] Speaker 1: Remember we've had a Royal commission. How many reports do
[22:24] Speaker 1: we need to know?
[22:24] Speaker 2: But yet again, the same stuff happens at a concerning
[22:28] Speaker 2: new trend residential facilities, which in some parts of the
[22:31] Speaker 2: country are nearly at capacity. They've begun screening potential new
[22:35] Speaker 2: residents and rejecting those deemed more difficult, including mental illness.
[22:41] Speaker 1: But what about this one.
[22:42] Speaker 2: Imagine knocking somebody back because of dementia, let alone somebody
[22:47] Speaker 2: who is obese, overweight, or somebody who smokes, neither of
[22:50] Speaker 2: which are illegal, all because they're in the two hard basket. Literally,
[22:54] Speaker 2: human beings being put into the two hard basket by
[22:56] Speaker 2: some parts of the.
[22:57] Speaker 1: Age care system.
[22:58] Speaker 2: It's a disgrace while delays in providing home care packages,
[23:02] Speaker 2: meaning if any of those people are able to stay
[23:04] Speaker 2: in their home for as long as possible, they're not
[23:06] Speaker 2: getting the chance to do it. Why because there are
[23:09] Speaker 2: not enough packages which are being approved. It means thousands
[23:14] Speaker 2: of older people are ending up in hospitals in crisis situations,
[23:18] Speaker 2: but then can't be discharged because no edgecre bed.
[23:22] Speaker 1: Or support us in place in their home.
[23:25] Speaker 2: Would it surprise you that the person who had responsibility
[23:28] Speaker 2: of this area for the past three years would be
[23:32] Speaker 2: the same prima donna that was running around trying to
[23:36] Speaker 2: pretend nothing to see here on the new minister when
[23:38] Speaker 2: it comes to optus, the one who's got so many
[23:40] Speaker 2: tickets on herself because of her job as the Communications
[23:43] Speaker 2: and Sports Minister, so many freebies. She's now got tickets
[23:48] Speaker 2: on herself. Oh, she was a hard worker, this one
[23:51] Speaker 2: in between football games, in between the Melbourne Cup. But
[23:54] Speaker 2: of course to discuss any of that somehow is sexist.
[23:57] Speaker 2: I'm waiting for that response to the next of the
[23:59] Speaker 2: while this used to be her job on her watch,
[24:01] Speaker 2: it's got worse, not better, And I don't care what
[24:04] Speaker 2: anyone who supports her or politics of her decision making
[24:08] Speaker 2: tells me. In reverse, and speaking of remember when you
[24:14] Speaker 2: were told during the federal election there was going to
[24:16] Speaker 2: be multiple interest rate cuts. In fact, this matted a
[24:20] Speaker 2: lot because remember prior to the February interest rate cut,
[24:23] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party was leading. They were leading sort of
[24:25] Speaker 2: fifty two forty eight, fifty one, forty nine. They certainly
[24:28] Speaker 2: were in front. And then the first of interest rate
[24:31] Speaker 2: cuts happened. And guess what happened. It flipped the other
[24:33] Speaker 2: way to being forty nine to fifty one, and then
[24:37] Speaker 2: it became forty eight fifty two.
[24:41] Speaker 1: So when Jim Chalmers said this, it.
[24:42] Speaker 2: Moved a few more people into the labor column for
[24:45] Speaker 2: their near record win.
[24:47] Speaker 4: Markets are now expecting around four interst rate cuts in
[24:52] Speaker 4: Australia this calendar year.
[24:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, not going to happen.
[24:57] Speaker 2: In fact, the major banks have now turned around and
[24:59] Speaker 2: after seeing inflation go back up, after seeing concerns like
[25:04] Speaker 2: the amount of people who have used the most of
[25:07] Speaker 2: that five percent deposit scheme, which I don't particularly hate
[25:09] Speaker 2: but it means more people higher prices, the am Z
[25:13] Speaker 2: Bank has become the latest major bank to push its
[25:15] Speaker 2: forecast for the next cash rate cut to February twenty
[25:19] Speaker 2: twenty six, not Melbourne Cup Day, but February twenty twenty six.
[25:22] Speaker 2: It follows similar revisions of the Commonwealth Bank and National
[25:24] Speaker 2: Australia Back both who expect just a single cut, no more,
[25:28] Speaker 2: just one early next year. So the Treasurer said, four,
[25:32] Speaker 2: maybe five. Reality nowhere near it. In the meantime, surprise, surprise,
[25:36] Speaker 2: you keep paying lots to.
[25:39] Speaker 1: Get to tonight. No sooks, no left is this Sunday night?
[25:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to talk about Lydia Thorpe. Now she
[25:43] Speaker 2: will remain a politician. But can she get away with
[25:46] Speaker 2: what she said? Let's see, we'll all find out together.
[25:49] Speaker 2: I'll find more ways to keep talking about Baptist Because
[25:52] Speaker 2: what a race. Congratulations again to Penright and their team.
[25:58] Speaker 2: But feeding what a race. Unbelievable. More in a sect
[26:02] Speaker 2: here on Portmurray Live. We are full of energy after
[26:04] Speaker 2: an incredible, great race. Thank you for watching, beautiful people
[26:11] Speaker 2: and speaking of let me introduce you to two here
[26:14] Speaker 2: this evening.
[26:15] Speaker 1: Lots to talk about from all around the country right now.
[26:18] Speaker 2: Daniel Wilders, of course, the Deputy executive director of the
[26:21] Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs and not to be confused with
[26:23] Speaker 2: one nation's national executive manager. I'll learn it all off
[26:26] Speaker 2: by heart by the time I'm done. The wonderful Lee Hanson, loving.
[26:29] Speaker 1: To see you both.
[26:29] Speaker 2: Happy Sunday night to you, so Lydia Thorpe. I'm going
[26:33] Speaker 2: to player one more time. I don't understand how this
[26:36] Speaker 2: isn't any issue. Do I think she should go to
[26:37] Speaker 2: jar for the next twenty years? No? But do I
[26:39] Speaker 2: think is there a chance of her being handed a fine,
[26:42] Speaker 2: a reprimand an opportunity for somebody to say this is
[26:45] Speaker 2: a line that you have crossed yet again.
[26:48] Speaker 1: Roll the tape and I'll get your reactions, and we
[26:51] Speaker 1: will fight every day, and we will turn up every day.
[26:57] Speaker 3: And if I have to burn down Parliament, I'm not then,
[27:07] Speaker 3: Ma came, I'm really been jumping.
[27:10] Speaker 1: People, Lee free kick from right in front. What do
[27:15] Speaker 1: you think.
[27:17] Speaker 5: They're to make justice for our people? Comments as such
[27:20] Speaker 5: as that, I wonder she actually care about this country
[27:22] Speaker 5: or care about our people. I'm just gobsmacked. Right here
[27:26] Speaker 5: we have somebody who's a member of Parliament, who's meant
[27:30] Speaker 5: to be a pillar of leadership in our country and
[27:34] Speaker 5: makes such violent threats. There is people who work in
[27:38] Speaker 5: Parliament House, including a member of my family. So yes,
[27:42] Speaker 5: I hope she is charged. I hope she is held
[27:45] Speaker 5: to account for her comments because you don't know what
[27:49] Speaker 5: somebody is capable of, and to make such public comments
[27:52] Speaker 5: of such hatred scares me deeply. And if any other
[27:55] Speaker 5: member of the community made such a comment, the police
[27:57] Speaker 5: would be at their door and taking it quite serious.
[28:00] Speaker 5: So what is going to happen here with Lydia Thorpe?
[28:03] Speaker 5: You know, I do not feel that she upholds or
[28:08] Speaker 5: appreciates the privilege she has of working in Parliament for
[28:13] Speaker 5: this country. And I'm ashamed of the comment she's made.
[28:17] Speaker 2: I'm with you completely, Daniel, your thoughts here about whether
[28:20] Speaker 2: again whether it's sanctioned what happens here again democratically elected,
[28:25] Speaker 2: and I don't want the power of the Parliament to
[28:27] Speaker 2: boodher all the rest of it here.
[28:28] Speaker 1: But sure, I mean, surely you can't say that stuff
[28:30] Speaker 1: in public, can you?
[28:34] Speaker 6: Well, exactly as Lee said, if you said it or
[28:36] Speaker 6: I said it, or Lee said it, we'd be getting
[28:39] Speaker 6: a knock at the door. But because somebody from the
[28:43] Speaker 6: protected class and who ticks the right identity politics boxes
[28:46] Speaker 6: said it. She's going to get away with it, just
[28:48] Speaker 6: like she always does. And that's the society we live in.
[28:51] Speaker 6: We live in a two tiered society with a different
[28:53] Speaker 6: set of rules, So one set of rules that apply
[28:55] Speaker 6: to mainstream Australians and another set of rules that apply
[28:58] Speaker 6: to everybody else. So I'd be very surprised if there
[29:00] Speaker 6: was any meaningful consequences for this behavior beyond maybe a
[29:04] Speaker 6: sternly worded letter from the police. But beyond that, I
[29:07] Speaker 6: don't think we'll get anything. And look, I'm always vexed
[29:10] Speaker 6: on these kind of issues. To what extent do we
[29:12] Speaker 6: pay attention to it and to what extent do we
[29:15] Speaker 6: just ignore it? Because Lydia Thorpe and those like her
[29:18] Speaker 6: love nothing more than a bit of attention. But I
[29:20] Speaker 6: do think she's crossed the line. I love the fact
[29:23] Speaker 6: that there's the Palestinian flag and the Aboriginal flag there.
[29:25] Speaker 6: The one flag you won't see, of course, is the
[29:27] Speaker 6: Australian flag, let alone the flag of Victoria. Who are
[29:30] Speaker 6: the people who elected Lydia Thorpe there in the first place.
[29:33] Speaker 6: So look, I hope she's booted out at the next
[29:36] Speaker 6: possible opportunity.
[29:37] Speaker 2: I love the regularity Lee that I ask you this question,
[29:41] Speaker 2: what about the latest serge for One Nation in the polls?
[29:43] Speaker 2: I mean again, we saw this and again, and I
[29:46] Speaker 2: do love all these people that are sort of waking
[29:47] Speaker 2: up to this as a post election phenomenon. One Nation
[29:51] Speaker 2: got three senators elected at the last federal parliament. None
[29:57] Speaker 2: of them had the last name Hanson.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Right.
[29:58] Speaker 2: I wish there was a fourth, being someone from Tasmania.
[30:01] Speaker 2: But what a sign of this growing movement that has
[30:04] Speaker 2: been growing for a long time that now in the
[30:06] Speaker 2: national polls is out ranking the Greens by one or
[30:11] Speaker 2: in even more reliable numbers bigger margins. Now, yes, it's
[30:15] Speaker 2: too easy to turn around and say it's just hardcore
[30:17] Speaker 2: right wing Libs that have decided to walk away.
[30:20] Speaker 1: The reality is you can do whatever you want with
[30:23] Speaker 1: your preference.
[30:24] Speaker 2: Right now, fourteen percent of the country is going to
[30:25] Speaker 2: vote One Nation. Okay, this is not about a lower
[30:27] Speaker 2: house play. It's about the upper House play that comes
[30:29] Speaker 2: as a result. It means you can obviously give your
[30:32] Speaker 2: preferences and that when we get into a two party
[30:34] Speaker 2: race that still ends up benefiting the coalition. But this
[30:37] Speaker 2: is fascinating to see because Lee, day after day, week
[30:41] Speaker 2: after week, at some point one of these canbra media
[30:44] Speaker 2: types is going to work out it on a fluke.
[30:46] Speaker 1: It is a movement, and the movement is.
[30:48] Speaker 5: On correct and it is a movement and your spot
[30:53] Speaker 5: on and I love that we keep having this conversation
[30:55] Speaker 5: because the poles keep rising and that's what we're going
[30:58] Speaker 5: to continue to see. People are after strong leadership. They're
[31:02] Speaker 5: after leaders with conviction who are willing to stand up
[31:05] Speaker 5: and have the hard and the difficult conversations, not shy
[31:08] Speaker 5: away from it. And that is exactly what one nation does.
[31:11] Speaker 5: And people are waking up to that. They're seeing the
[31:14] Speaker 5: consistency for decades now, they've had a strong, resilient, tenacious
[31:19] Speaker 5: woman who's led this party, who has been knocked from
[31:22] Speaker 5: pillar to post and has always stayed true to her
[31:24] Speaker 5: word and she speaks to the grassroots of Australians. Now
[31:29] Speaker 5: one nation is growing, It is surging. The left wingers
[31:33] Speaker 5: as you want to call them, keep saying it's just
[31:35] Speaker 5: the hard right that's moving.
[31:36] Speaker 2: It's not.
[31:37] Speaker 5: People are moving away from the two party major system,
[31:40] Speaker 5: particularly the coalition, because they feel that coalition is labor
[31:44] Speaker 5: light or too moderate, you know, for One Nation. We
[31:48] Speaker 5: have been rolling out branches across the country. We've rolled
[31:51] Speaker 5: out I think we're about forty seven branches currently of
[31:53] Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty plus. Our membership has actually increased
[31:58] Speaker 5: over seventy percent since the Life election. So One Nation
[32:01] Speaker 5: is growing. We've got the leadership, we've got the capability,
[32:05] Speaker 5: we represent a broad range of Australians and more and
[32:08] Speaker 5: more people are coming on board who want to join
[32:11] Speaker 5: and putting their hand ups already to be candidates in
[32:13] Speaker 5: the next election of very strong caliber. So yes, you'll
[32:16] Speaker 5: can seek I have no doubt about it. We'll keep
[32:19] Speaker 5: having this conversation, Paul, and it's great to see.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:22] Speaker 2: I mean, look, if our team can go back to
[32:23] Speaker 2: the demographics graphic that we were showing before, right again,
[32:26] Speaker 2: this lazy trope. Oh the hardcore, the hard right wingers,
[32:29] Speaker 2: they're just flipping again. Can I talk demos here?
[32:33] Speaker 1: All right?
[32:34] Speaker 2: So again in this pole, fourteen percent of people nationally
[32:39] Speaker 2: backing in One Nation, thirteen percent of millennials, fifteen percent
[32:43] Speaker 2: of Gen X and the baby boomers at seventeen now
[32:46] Speaker 2: unsurprisingly the biggest group almost thirty percent Gen Z for
[32:49] Speaker 2: the Greens. But that is solid growth multiple areas, basically
[32:54] Speaker 2: from people not over the age of fifty five, but
[32:57] Speaker 2: from the age of thirty five.
[32:58] Speaker 6: Daniel, Well, that's right, and you know, as we've said
[33:04] Speaker 6: time and time again, what we see is almost every
[33:07] Speaker 6: demographic moving against the Coalition, if they haven't already abandoned them.
[33:12] Speaker 6: And this is what happens when you have a vacuum
[33:13] Speaker 6: of leadership, and it's on both the left and the right.
[33:16] Speaker 6: You know, you've got Susan Lee who may have certain capabilities,
[33:19] Speaker 6: but has been in Parliament for close to a quarter
[33:21] Speaker 6: of a century and a lot of Australians aren't clear
[33:23] Speaker 6: on what it is exactly. She believes Anthony Alberinezi obviously
[33:27] Speaker 6: won the election handsomely, but it's not seen as a
[33:30] Speaker 6: stronger decisive leader. So you've got people from both sides
[33:33] Speaker 6: of the equation that are looking for alternatives, and obviously
[33:36] Speaker 6: one nation provides that to a lot of Australians. The
[33:39] Speaker 6: other point I want to make, Paul is in one
[33:41] Speaker 6: of the polls that came up on Redbridge, which was
[33:43] Speaker 6: published in the Australian Financial Review, if you look at
[33:46] Speaker 6: the polling they did on net zero, this is absolutely
[33:49] Speaker 6: fascinating because it. Yeah, it shows that thirty seven percent
[33:54] Speaker 6: want the Coalition to dump it, thirty seven percent want
[33:57] Speaker 6: them to keep it, and the rest want them to
[33:58] Speaker 6: don't have.
[33:59] Speaker 1: An opinion on it.
[34:00] Speaker 6: Now, that is absolutely fascinating. That should have been the
[34:03] Speaker 6: headline of the poll to have a laborer line poll
[34:06] Speaker 6: publishing the Australian Financial Review, which is the chief cheerleader
[34:09] Speaker 6: of net zero, to admit that community is divided on
[34:12] Speaker 6: this issue, despite the fact that there hasn't even been
[34:15] Speaker 6: a debate. Imagine we had a debate on net zero,
[34:19] Speaker 6: it would very quickly be a seventy thirty issue in
[34:22] Speaker 6: our way in terms of getting rid of it. And
[34:24] Speaker 6: this is why people like Andrew Hasty and Just Enterprise
[34:26] Speaker 6: are talking about net zero and immigration. These are two
[34:29] Speaker 6: of the biggest issues facing the Australia's future. That's what
[34:32] Speaker 6: Paul Enhanced and one Nation we're talking about, and that's
[34:35] Speaker 6: why they're going up in the polls and that's why
[34:36] Speaker 6: the Liberals are going backwards.
[34:37] Speaker 2: Well and again that undecided, right, I mean we hear
[34:40] Speaker 2: from everyone right, you go this direction, it's terminal, You
[34:43] Speaker 2: go that direction, it's terminal. We'll see again, we'll get
[34:46] Speaker 2: cause on the morrowcers, I want to talk a lot
[34:48] Speaker 2: more about that undecided right about whom and where, which
[34:51] Speaker 2: particular demos and all the rest of it, right, because
[34:53] Speaker 2: I think sometimes that can start to lay a few
[34:54] Speaker 2: stones about which way things should go. Now again, I'm
[34:57] Speaker 2: sorry to repeat myself from the opening comments of start
[35:00] Speaker 2: of the show, but lea Paramatta Council tomorrow will have
[35:03] Speaker 2: a vote which is just about keeping alive and whipping
[35:06] Speaker 2: up because there's a very significant Indian population. In fact,
[35:08] Speaker 2: there's sort of a little India claim that is made
[35:11] Speaker 2: by the council because of the diaspora there as a
[35:14] Speaker 2: way of trying to sort of again build the caricature
[35:17] Speaker 2: in and around just in an ampertupper price comments from
[35:20] Speaker 2: a long time ago. Forget what the actual transcript says.
[35:23] Speaker 2: It's what somebody told you about who somebody you know?
[35:25] Speaker 2: All of that, right, Local councils passing any sort of
[35:30] Speaker 2: moment of time passing comment on federal politicians. What a
[35:35] Speaker 2: flair gun into the air for the people of paramatter
[35:38] Speaker 2: that if it's the majority of the council, that the
[35:40] Speaker 2: majority of council doesn't spend every moment they can on
[35:44] Speaker 2: their job. Instead they're doing party hack work for their
[35:48] Speaker 2: sides of politics.
[35:52] Speaker 5: Correct councils need to focus exactly on their job and
[35:57] Speaker 5: stay in their lane. Why would they be looking to
[35:59] Speaker 5: pass emotion on this matter just to appease what is
[36:03] Speaker 5: eleven percent of their community from a certain nationality before
[36:07] Speaker 5: they chose to come to Australia. I'm just baffled as
[36:11] Speaker 5: to how this is a priority for local community members.
[36:14] Speaker 5: If they actually went out and asked their community members,
[36:17] Speaker 5: would they have an overwhelming sense of this is what
[36:19] Speaker 5: they want to focus their hardened tax dollars on. The
[36:23] Speaker 5: answer would be no, and I'll be very surprised otherwise.
[36:26] Speaker 5: I'm also I feel sorry for justin inhabiting the price.
[36:31] Speaker 2: I really do you know?
[36:32] Speaker 5: This issue keeps getting dragged on and on and on.
[36:35] Speaker 5: She hasn't had the support. She hasn't had the backing
[36:37] Speaker 5: that she should have had. I mean, plain and simple.
[36:41] Speaker 5: She raised some key issues that are they factually incorrect? Sure,
[36:47] Speaker 5: the delivery and a certain nationality or how it's approached
[36:51] Speaker 5: Probably not the right way and it could have been
[36:53] Speaker 5: done a little more decorum. But at the end of
[36:55] Speaker 5: the day, she raised an issue about immigration having certain
[37:00] Speaker 5: tendencies to vote in certain ways, isn't it shouldn't that
[37:04] Speaker 5: be the conversation. Yet here we got counsel going down
[37:07] Speaker 5: a rabbit hole of something that I'm sorry, as I
[37:09] Speaker 5: say to you, kick my kids. None, yeah, run your business.
[37:13] Speaker 5: Why are you touching on it?
[37:16] Speaker 2: But also right, you know, let's see if the same
[37:18] Speaker 2: Council decides to bang out a motion about lydia thoughpe
[37:21] Speaker 2: burning down the Federal Parliament.
[37:23] Speaker 1: Oh no, of course we won't be going anywhere near there. Now.
[37:26] Speaker 2: I've got a feeling that the blow from the IPA
[37:28] Speaker 2: is going to be very supportive of Toney Abbott's book,
[37:31] Speaker 2: which in part is being supported by the Institute of
[37:34] Speaker 2: Public Affairs. It's a great look at Australian history and
[37:37] Speaker 2: he's one of the first prime ministers in a long
[37:39] Speaker 2: time to do this. And I don't just mean even
[37:41] Speaker 2: in Australia, like Winston Churchill is kind of about the
[37:44] Speaker 2: highest profile former prime minister of their country to turn
[37:47] Speaker 2: and have a look at a history now really important.
[37:50] Speaker 2: In the launch event that I attended on Friday, there
[37:53] Speaker 2: is absolute recognition and no questions about the issues about
[37:58] Speaker 2: the early years of the colony. There is no attempt
[38:01] Speaker 2: to look away from horrible massacres. But it is about
[38:04] Speaker 2: embracing this concept about what makes us who we are
[38:07] Speaker 2: and what potential we have about where we go. It's
[38:10] Speaker 2: part of what we'll celebrate in the next three nights Monday, Tuesday,
[38:13] Speaker 2: Wednesday at seven thirty, which is the documentary about Tony
[38:18] Speaker 2: Abbot's Australia or Sorry, Australia, A History by Tony Abbott.
[38:23] Speaker 1: Have you read it? Did you see a little bit
[38:25] Speaker 1: of it? Daniel?
[38:26] Speaker 2: And obviously you'd subscribe to the central idea here, which
[38:29] Speaker 2: is our story is complicated, but so is every other countries.
[38:33] Speaker 1: But geez, the high points are pretty damn high. Yeah,
[38:38] Speaker 1: you're right, Paul.
[38:39] Speaker 6: I think the through line in the book is Australia
[38:41] Speaker 6: is not without fault, but we are without peer. That's
[38:45] Speaker 6: how I would summarize the book for anyone at home,
[38:47] Speaker 6: and I encourage everybody to pick up a copy and
[38:49] Speaker 6: watch the documentary series.
[38:51] Speaker 1: Yes, I have read it.
[38:52] Speaker 6: As you said, the IPA was very proud to have
[38:54] Speaker 6: played a role in this, in supporting Tony in undertaking
[38:58] Speaker 6: this book, and I got the opportunity to read a
[38:59] Speaker 6: Manu script before the main book was launched on Friday
[39:03] Speaker 6: and it's a magnificent book. I think you're right to
[39:06] Speaker 6: say that Tony Abbott, certainly to my knowledge, is the
[39:08] Speaker 6: only former Prime minister to have written a comprehensive history
[39:12] Speaker 6: of Australia. There are others who have written types of histories.
[39:15] Speaker 6: For example, John Howard wrote a book on the Mensies Years,
[39:17] Speaker 6: which is an outstanding book as well. And I think,
[39:21] Speaker 6: you know, Tony Abbott is somebody who's been out of
[39:24] Speaker 6: politics for a decade, but he's made very important and
[39:28] Speaker 6: meaningful contributions to our debate in his post parliamentary life.
[39:31] Speaker 6: Not every former political leader could say the same. And
[39:35] Speaker 6: I think this book gives a very fair treatment of
[39:37] Speaker 6: Australian history. Certainly it is balanced, but you come away
[39:41] Speaker 6: with a very deep, i think, appreciation, understanding and gratitude
[39:45] Speaker 6: that despite all of the challenges that we have in
[39:47] Speaker 6: our nation, we are still the greatest nation on earth.
[39:50] Speaker 6: And I think the more people who read this book,
[39:53] Speaker 6: and I hope a lot of it gets into schools
[39:55] Speaker 6: as well, the better because this is exactly the kind
[39:59] Speaker 6: of commentary and argumentation we need at this point in
[40:02] Speaker 6: Australia's history. So good on Tony Abbott for this outstanding
[40:05] Speaker 6: book and I would highly recommend to your viewers to
[40:08] Speaker 6: watch the documentary series and grab a copy of the
[40:10] Speaker 6: book as well.
[40:10] Speaker 2: Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you Daniel, Thank
[40:12] Speaker 2: you Lee. We will look forward to seeing you again
[40:15] Speaker 2: next week.
[40:15] Speaker 1: It is a really good read. It is out tomorrow.
[40:18] Speaker 2: So again, if you care about your country, make sure
[40:20] Speaker 2: you buy not one couple of copies, hand them around,
[40:22] Speaker 2: give them matters gifts and.
[40:24] Speaker 1: Or just say you know what, have a look at this?
[40:25] Speaker 1: How good is it?
[40:27] Speaker 2: The full documentary episode one two three Monday Tuesday Wednesday
[40:30] Speaker 2: seven thirty here on Sky Quick Break Back with more.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Will be joined by mate in the UK, Mark Dolan.
[40:36] Speaker 2: If you like the cut of mind, you be going
[40:37] Speaker 2: to love all the sale and all of the spinnaker
[40:41] Speaker 2: that is Mark Dolan.
[40:43] Speaker 1: Next, well for good to Mark.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Congratulations to everyone who's involved in the Big Run today
[40:51] Speaker 2: in around the MCG tens of thousands, tens of thousands
[40:54] Speaker 2: of people in.
[40:56] Speaker 1: Their version of the Great Race.
[40:57] Speaker 2: Of course mine was the cars and I'll get back
[40:58] Speaker 2: to a little bit later, but there's a lot to
[41:00] Speaker 2: talk about right now with Mark Doland, host of Mark
[41:02] Speaker 2: Doland Show on YouTube, which is doing Gangbusters.
[41:05] Speaker 7: Great man, love you to see you. Great to see
[41:08] Speaker 7: you again, Paul. So much to get through today. Welcome
[41:12] Speaker 7: to the chaotic world that is broken Britain.
[41:15] Speaker 2: Always pleased just to visit, occasion to visit at the
[41:18] Speaker 2: moment for US rather than immigration.
[41:20] Speaker 1: But we'll see now.
[41:21] Speaker 2: Obviously the next twenty four hours is going to be extraordinary,
[41:24] Speaker 2: right because obviously the remaining living hostages, sadly those that
[41:29] Speaker 2: have died, all of them come home tomorrow. Trump is
[41:33] Speaker 2: apparently going to be in Israel for this moment. The
[41:37] Speaker 2: cheers have been incredible. The relief of course amongst the
[41:40] Speaker 2: normal palaestining community in Gaza has been incredible to see
[41:43] Speaker 2: as they return home. I just keep thinking, all of
[41:47] Speaker 2: the variables are so fragile here. But the closer we
[41:50] Speaker 2: get to the deadline, the closer we get to some
[41:52] Speaker 2: good news.
[41:52] Speaker 1: Mate. Well that's right.
[41:54] Speaker 7: That deadline of course eight pm on Monday, Sydney time, Australia.
[41:59] Speaker 7: And it's a moment of such celebration. It's a political triumph, Paul,
[42:04] Speaker 7: for Donald Trump. I've got a bit of a catchphrase
[42:07] Speaker 7: on my talk TV show, which is the bad Orange
[42:10] Speaker 7: Man strikes again. You know this is a man that's
[42:13] Speaker 7: recalibrated international trade and improved the terms by which America
[42:17] Speaker 7: trades were the world. He's closed the southern border, he's
[42:20] Speaker 7: ended wokery in America's public institutions, and he looks to
[42:23] Speaker 7: a broken piece in the Middle East. And what's amazing
[42:27] Speaker 7: is that his envoy is actually the real hero here.
[42:30] Speaker 7: This is Steve Whitkoff. And it's interesting, Paul, this man
[42:33] Speaker 7: is not a diplomat, he's not a politician, he's a
[42:36] Speaker 7: real estate mogul, and yet he's the guy that's achieved
[42:41] Speaker 7: the unachievable.
[42:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what I find fascinating here about the
[42:45] Speaker 2: tenor of the deal right is, obviously Qatar is such
[42:49] Speaker 2: a key part of this right and we had the
[42:51] Speaker 2: scenario of the leaders that have been sitting very pretty
[42:56] Speaker 2: in the hamasclad is sitting very pretty in Quitar for
[42:58] Speaker 2: a long time. There was the Israeli strike which took
[43:01] Speaker 2: out some of that leadership. Israel had to apologize for it,
[43:04] Speaker 2: obviously at the behest of what the Americans were saying,
[43:07] Speaker 2: because Katar was really in a position where they were
[43:11] Speaker 2: either able to turn the tap on and off or
[43:13] Speaker 2: be able to put the pressure on. That seems to
[43:15] Speaker 2: have been part of the X factor in these negotiations,
[43:17] Speaker 2: and whenever the book is written of it, I think
[43:20] Speaker 2: that's going to be a big part of it. But
[43:22] Speaker 2: that has been the skill of how Trump has come
[43:25] Speaker 2: at this, that there is no one who's not allowed
[43:27] Speaker 2: at the table to get the result.
[43:30] Speaker 7: Most definitely, and Trump's been very firm with hamas he's
[43:34] Speaker 7: been equally firm with Israel, and when he hasn't been
[43:37] Speaker 7: happy with his major Middle Eastern ally, he has said
[43:41] Speaker 7: so that. Very similarly, we've seeing that situation in Ukraine
[43:45] Speaker 7: where he attempted to love bomb Vladimir Putin, applauding him
[43:49] Speaker 7: as he stepped off the jet for that summit in Alaska.
[43:52] Speaker 7: But given the fact that Donald Putin doesn't seem to
[43:56] Speaker 7: have much of an appetite for peace, suddenly he's telling
[44:00] Speaker 7: Voladimir Zelenski, actually you can take back Ukraine and takes
[44:03] Speaker 7: some of Russia as well. So you know, all Trump
[44:05] Speaker 7: wants to do Paul is get that deal across the line.
[44:09] Speaker 7: And it's a demonstration that quite clearly Trump deserves the
[44:12] Speaker 7: Nobel Peace Prize. He has immeasurably made the world safer
[44:16] Speaker 7: since his election in November of last year, and it
[44:19] Speaker 7: put paid. It puts paid to the idea of the
[44:21] Speaker 7: bad Orange man. He's actually demonstrated political acumen and as
[44:27] Speaker 7: you mentioned in this deal making, significant diplomatic skill as well.
[44:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look second time around, this version of Trump
[44:36] Speaker 2: knows the livers of power, knows the limits, knows perhaps
[44:40] Speaker 2: sometimes over the limits. But the point is he's all in, right,
[44:43] Speaker 2: Like I said, every hand is all in, and he's
[44:46] Speaker 2: got incredible results to this point. Now, let's talk about
[44:50] Speaker 2: our friend Nigel Farage, now obviously flying high in the
[44:53] Speaker 2: polls right now. But god forbid anyone actually comes out
[44:56] Speaker 2: and offers any sort of public support. Here, tell me
[44:58] Speaker 2: about what is happening in an some local people who
[45:03] Speaker 2: say that this bloke is not the devil.
[45:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. You won't believe this.
[45:09] Speaker 7: So in a since edited post on Facebook, Baslden Labor
[45:14] Speaker 7: Party have described the political opinions of a school head
[45:18] Speaker 7: teacher as a serious and legitimate safeguarding concern. Well, this
[45:23] Speaker 7: head teacher, whose name is Lorraine Rammit, who's a very
[45:26] Speaker 7: admired figure in the community, doing a brilliant job in
[45:28] Speaker 7: her school. She dares to be a Reform UK supporter,
[45:33] Speaker 7: and yet the Labor Party, which is of course the
[45:35] Speaker 7: governing party of the United Kingdom, consider her support for
[45:39] Speaker 7: reform to be a legitimate safeguarding concern. Well, that means,
[45:43] Speaker 7: Paul is she considers they considered democracy to be a
[45:47] Speaker 7: serious and legitimate safeguarding concern. Your politics should never impact
[45:52] Speaker 7: your ability to do your job. And I think what's
[45:54] Speaker 7: happened here is the mask has slipped. What's hilarious is
[45:58] Speaker 7: just a couple of hours later, after the backlash, they
[46:00] Speaker 7: swiftly changed the post in order to suggest, oh, no,
[46:03] Speaker 7: this was about a traffic enforcement skill.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Sorry, we see you.
[46:09] Speaker 7: You know, the mask has slipt. It's the intolerance of
[46:12] Speaker 7: the woke left, I'm afraid, Paul.
[46:14] Speaker 2: Well, but also you know, one of the worst legacies
[46:17] Speaker 2: of wokedom, right is the broadening of definitions and the
[46:22] Speaker 2: lowering of bars to qualify for them. Right again, when
[46:25] Speaker 2: you talk about significant safety, these very malleable terms, this
[46:31] Speaker 2: sort of bureauopies that is in there where you know,
[46:36] Speaker 2: technically anything sort of falls into this area. And then
[46:39] Speaker 2: we sort of move to kind of like a inquisitorial
[46:43] Speaker 2: legal system where you have to disprove the suggestion as
[46:47] Speaker 2: opposed to the other way around. And the problem is
[46:50] Speaker 2: is that when so much of our life is under regulation,
[46:54] Speaker 2: not legislation, and the organization who has bugger all people
[46:59] Speaker 2: to go and appeal to unless you want to go
[47:01] Speaker 2: and you know, empty your bank account and head.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Off to a court. This is what sort of suffocates people,
[47:07] Speaker 1: isn't it.
[47:08] Speaker 7: Well it is and you're so right to talk about
[47:10] Speaker 7: the language of it, because the language has been butchered
[47:13] Speaker 7: so that, you know, woke progressives can control our lives
[47:17] Speaker 7: in a very subtle way. And you know you mentioned
[47:20] Speaker 7: there this idea of safeguarding, and we've heard, you know,
[47:23] Speaker 7: people talk about safe spaces at university. You've also got
[47:26] Speaker 7: hate speech, you've got misinformation. All of this language is
[47:29] Speaker 7: being leveraged against us, and in this case it's a
[47:33] Speaker 7: threat to our democracy because if a head teacher can't
[47:35] Speaker 7: support reform UK whose main ideas are that taxes are
[47:39] Speaker 7: too high and that we should have a border that
[47:42] Speaker 7: is actually correctly policed. Yet this is not far right,
[47:45] Speaker 7: this is not Adolf Hitler two point zero, but in
[47:48] Speaker 7: the twisted mind of the UK labor government, it.
[47:51] Speaker 2: Is a sunny Bami twelve degrees is what you are
[47:55] Speaker 2: in for for your Sunday afternoon.
[47:56] Speaker 1: Mark. All the best to you.
[47:58] Speaker 2: We look forward to following you in all of this
[48:00] Speaker 2: and of course seeing you want Talk TV as well. Mate,
[48:02] Speaker 2: Thank you so much For'll see again next week.
[48:03] Speaker 1: How good is he?
[48:04] Speaker 2: Markel joining us from the United Kingdom? Quick break back
[48:07] Speaker 2: with more my day TV side. It's not my story
[48:12] Speaker 2: to tell, but I'll tell it anyway.
[48:14] Speaker 1: What an incredible race this was.
[48:16] Speaker 2: If you missed it, do yourself a favor find the highlights,
[48:18] Speaker 2: but I'll go through some of them for you next
[48:21] Speaker 2: and then Newsnight a few minutes away here on Sky News.
[48:24] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching this year's Baptists, one of the best
[48:31] Speaker 2: we have ever seen. What a one hundred and sixty
[48:35] Speaker 2: one laps. What an incredible ride for the best part
[48:38] Speaker 2: of six hours sunshine. At the start of the day,
[48:42] Speaker 2: Bertie Gusteki for DJR on the front row of the
[48:46] Speaker 2: grid pop position. You start to throw in some rain,
[48:51] Speaker 2: a few technical issues. Know. A few hours later there
[48:54] Speaker 2: is a change for the lead where my team, the
[48:56] Speaker 2: Erabus team and Cam Murray goes from fourth to first
[49:00] Speaker 2: and I am punching the air harder than a boxer
[49:03] Speaker 2: has done so in the ring. I was so excited
[49:07] Speaker 2: when that moment happened. Alas it did not last. We
[49:10] Speaker 2: will not discuss the matter again. But the winners were
[49:14] Speaker 2: Matt Payne Garth Tander. Now I've said before Matt Paine's
[49:17] Speaker 2: twenty one. Garth Tander is close to me and on
[49:20] Speaker 2: his way to fifty. Right, these guys started the race
[49:23] Speaker 2: eighteenth eighteenth.
[49:26] Speaker 1: Now to give you an idea of.
[49:28] Speaker 2: All of the teams, seventeen sixteen fifty for all of
[49:30] Speaker 2: the let alone the four up the front right. These
[49:33] Speaker 2: are the people winning races all year, all the time.
[49:36] Speaker 2: But Baptist is an X factor. Remember Larry Perkins thirty
[49:39] Speaker 2: years ago, last to first. So many other times this
[49:43] Speaker 2: has happened. It's why you got to watch the qualifying,
[49:46] Speaker 2: the practice, the top ten.
[49:47] Speaker 1: And then the race. It was a great Sunday to
[49:50] Speaker 1: motor sport in Australia. Toda

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