# Paul Murray Live | 12 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 12 Mar 2026, 49 min.

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'Overpaid': Dennis Richardson quits special adviser role in Bondi Royal Commission, RBA lifts interest rates by 0.25 per cent as inflation rises. Plus, Australia weighs releasing emergency oil reserves after international agency's plea. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray live hell,
[0:06] Speaker 1: I may come on into the man Cave Happy Thursday. Sadly,
[0:09] Speaker 1: the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion is
[0:13] Speaker 1: a farce. As you will have heard and know today.
[0:16] Speaker 1: Dennis Richardson, the former az O boss who was given
[0:20] Speaker 1: the task by the government of getting inside the Intel failures. Well,
[0:24] Speaker 1: he pulled the pin. He made the decision to walk
[0:27] Speaker 1: away in part because essentially he was being overpaid to
[0:32] Speaker 1: do not very much.
[0:35] Speaker 2: I felt it had reached a point where I was
[0:39] Speaker 2: adding relatively little value and I wasn't getting a lot
[0:45] Speaker 2: of satisfaction out of her. Quite frankly, I felt that
[0:48] Speaker 2: the contribution I could make was over time being limited.
[0:57] Speaker 1: This is the problem. This Royal Commission, which remember only
[1:01] Speaker 1: happened because of the murder of fifteen people, has become
[1:08] Speaker 1: a farce. Why because we remember the Prime Minister never
[1:13] Speaker 1: wanted it to happen. His preference was for Dennis Richardson
[1:17] Speaker 1: to do his job looking around the Intel Service, the
[1:21] Speaker 1: reports being kept inside government. You know that the Prime
[1:25] Speaker 1: Minister over and over again said no to a Royal commission,
[1:29] Speaker 1: not because he didn't think it was the right thing
[1:31] Speaker 1: to do. But because he couldn't dare admit that he
[1:34] Speaker 1: was wrong on an issue.
[1:37] Speaker 3: The government is committed to making sure that we can't
[1:41] Speaker 3: wait years for answers.
[1:42] Speaker 4: We need to get on with any changes that are required.
[1:47] Speaker 1: But then, of course he announced one. Why because it
[1:49] Speaker 1: was a major political problem. Why because the very families
[1:53] Speaker 1: that had been effected demanded it. Even Dawn Fraser was
[1:57] Speaker 1: out there publicly saying that this was the right thing
[1:59] Speaker 1: to do. And we know the opinion polls were very
[2:02] Speaker 1: bad for the Prime Minister. A vast majority of Australians
[2:05] Speaker 1: did not approve of those early weeks of his response
[2:08] Speaker 1: to Bondai. Now, sadly, as we have been following this
[2:13] Speaker 1: week in and week out, it has become evident that
[2:16] Speaker 1: the Royal Commission that only happened because of Bondai is
[2:20] Speaker 1: not going to deliver any significant answers in and around Bondai,
[2:25] Speaker 1: and in part that has to be by design. Remember,
[2:29] Speaker 1: the Royal Commissioner is picked by the government, the terms
[2:33] Speaker 1: of reference are written by the government, and the government's
[2:35] Speaker 1: position was that they didn't want it to happen. So
[2:38] Speaker 1: their belief was that Dennis Richardson well, somehow he'd keep
[2:41] Speaker 1: doing what he does, but he'll end up doing it
[2:43] Speaker 1: under the overall umbrella of the Royal Commission. But we
[2:47] Speaker 1: know by his own admission today in multiple interviews as
[2:53] Speaker 1: well as what he made very clear was that he
[2:58] Speaker 1: didn't feel but his work was being valued, that he
[3:02] Speaker 1: was needed in the process, and he's getting out before
[3:05] Speaker 1: he has to pretend that what seems to be the sham,
[3:10] Speaker 1: what seems to have been the political solution to the
[3:12] Speaker 1: Prime Minister's problem as opposed to the single greatest thing
[3:17] Speaker 1: our legal system has to go and find out what
[3:20] Speaker 1: has happened on an issue and all of the things
[3:23] Speaker 1: that feed into it. Well, that's why we are where
[3:26] Speaker 1: we are today. Now. I know it's a big claim
[3:29] Speaker 1: to say that by design the Royal Commission is not
[3:32] Speaker 1: meant to overturn the rocks that were about the failures
[3:38] Speaker 1: that got us too, those people's lives being taken on
[3:42] Speaker 1: that day in December. To make this crystal clear, I
[3:47] Speaker 1: want to go through the timeline for you because, as
[3:50] Speaker 1: you know, the attack happened on December fourteen. The alleged
[3:55] Speaker 1: government was charged three days later, on the seven teenth
[4:00] Speaker 1: of December. The Richardson Inquiry was launched twelve days later
[4:08] Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth of December. The pressure between the
[4:12] Speaker 1: twenty ninth over the new year gets us to the
[4:15] Speaker 1: Prime Minister making the announcement on the eighth of January.
[4:21] Speaker 1: The Royal Commission begins on February the twenty fourth, and
[4:26] Speaker 1: as I have pointed out many times before, the give
[4:29] Speaker 1: away of how unseerious and exercise this is in terms
[4:34] Speaker 1: of being compared to lots of other Royal commissions is
[4:38] Speaker 1: that the interim report is due at the end of
[4:42] Speaker 1: next month. We are mid March now they have had
[4:48] Speaker 1: one day of hearings. The interim report is due at
[4:54] Speaker 1: the end of April. The final report is due on
[4:58] Speaker 1: December fourteen. The decision was made that we couldn't possibly
[5:06] Speaker 1: have any eyewitnesses that had insight into Bondai because that
[5:09] Speaker 1: could potentially jeopardize the criminal trial. Well, this was known
[5:15] Speaker 1: because a person has been charged and they were charged
[5:19] Speaker 1: within three days. This was known when the Richardson Inquiry
[5:24] Speaker 1: was first announced. This was known when the Royal Commission
[5:27] Speaker 1: was announced. As a political fix to the Prime Minister's problem,
[5:31] Speaker 1: not a genuine root and branch. Let's have a look
[5:33] Speaker 1: at all of this. We've also learnt in the past
[5:36] Speaker 1: few weeks that there would be difficulties about the intelligence
[5:39] Speaker 1: services being able to give evidence to the Royal Commission. Now,
[5:43] Speaker 1: obviously there'd be things which would happen behind closed doors,
[5:46] Speaker 1: nobody would repeat it, would report about it, and when
[5:49] Speaker 1: the report, the interim report due in what six to
[5:52] Speaker 1: seven weeks from now, that there would be parts that
[5:56] Speaker 1: would have to be redacted. Why because it goes to
[5:59] Speaker 1: the methods And I understand that, But what does it
[6:02] Speaker 1: say to you that the person who was originally the
[6:06] Speaker 1: ultimate solution to working out who knew what and when
[6:08] Speaker 1: and who failed has now turned around and said, nah,
[6:13] Speaker 1: there's not enough work for me to do. This Royal
[6:19] Speaker 1: Commission should have been an opportunity to expose the failures,
[6:25] Speaker 1: to expose the flaws, and yes, at times to have
[6:27] Speaker 1: some accountability. But the way that the families have been
[6:31] Speaker 1: frozen out and now the guy whose job it was
[6:34] Speaker 1: to look into the intelligence agencies and why they failed.
[6:39] Speaker 1: And while they might get ninety nine point nine percent
[6:41] Speaker 1: of things right, when you fail, it's gut wrenching. Lives
[6:45] Speaker 1: are lost. That bloke does not want to be part
[6:50] Speaker 1: of the process because he can see the snowball that
[6:53] Speaker 1: this thing is. Dennis Richardson is no shrinking violet, and
[6:57] Speaker 1: he's not some secret right wing plot. The Prime Minister's
[7:01] Speaker 1: number one choice to investigate, and now he's handed in
[7:05] Speaker 1: his gun and his badge because, as he says himself,
[7:10] Speaker 1: there's no work to be done. The remit of his
[7:13] Speaker 1: ability to do the work is being taken away, and
[7:18] Speaker 1: not one further day of public evidence has been held
[7:22] Speaker 1: since February twenty eighth. Nothing happened this week, nothing happened
[7:30] Speaker 1: last week, nothing happened the week before. The families obviously
[7:37] Speaker 1: deserved more, but the country deserves more. And while the
[7:41] Speaker 1: Prime Minister really pays any political price for his failures,
[7:45] Speaker 1: people should see this for the snow job that it
[7:48] Speaker 1: is now. I am obviously not questioning the integrity of
[7:52] Speaker 1: the Royal Commissioner. What I am talking about here is
[7:57] Speaker 1: how narrow the room has been for them to operate.
[8:00] Speaker 1: And if the decision that was made and announced in
[8:05] Speaker 1: February was we can't do anything about the eyewitnesses because
[8:09] Speaker 1: it would prejudice a trial that was clear on December seventeen.
[8:15] Speaker 1: What you are seeing as a Royal Commission that was
[8:17] Speaker 1: a fix to a summer political problem for the Prime Minister,
[8:20] Speaker 1: not a royal commission to make sure that things like
[8:23] Speaker 1: Bondai never happen again. As you know, the Reserve Bank
[8:29] Speaker 1: is going to be beating next week and the expectation
[8:31] Speaker 1: is rates are going to go up. I've also remained
[8:34] Speaker 1: very consistent that the one that's coming, maybe as early
[8:37] Speaker 1: as next week, is Jim Charmer's responsibility, because even before
[8:43] Speaker 1: a bomb was dropped in Iran, Australia's inflation rate was
[8:46] Speaker 1: three point eight percent. New Zealand's lower, the UK's lower,
[8:52] Speaker 1: the usas lower, Canada's much lower, and Japan not even
[8:58] Speaker 1: half of what we are dealing with in Australia right now.
[9:02] Speaker 1: And we know that the Charmer's interest rate rise is
[9:06] Speaker 1: the responsibility of the government because before a bomb had
[9:10] Speaker 1: been dropped, before the inflation numbers had got two where
[9:14] Speaker 1: they are now, there already was an interest rate rise.
[9:20] Speaker 1: There were three reductions in the past twelve months, a
[9:23] Speaker 1: third of them wiped out in February, again before a
[9:26] Speaker 1: bomb was dropped. Today, all of the major banks are
[9:31] Speaker 1: predicting not just one interest rate rise, because not just
[9:36] Speaker 1: one interest rate rise will deal with the fire that
[9:39] Speaker 1: Charmers has let get out of control, a fire that, yes,
[9:42] Speaker 1: is accelerated by the events which have been unfolding for
[9:46] Speaker 1: the past not even two weeks. The am ZT has
[9:50] Speaker 1: followed the other big four banks in predicting a triple
[9:53] Speaker 1: rate hike for ossie borrowers, so the one we've had
[9:56] Speaker 1: plus two more. The CBA, Westpac and National Australia Bank
[9:59] Speaker 1: yes shifted their cash rate predictions due to inflation running
[10:03] Speaker 1: too hot and a stretched out labor market and the
[10:06] Speaker 1: war in the Middle East which is likely to add
[10:08] Speaker 1: to inflation. All four big banks now anticipate the Reserve
[10:12] Speaker 1: Bank will increase the cash rate twenty five basis points
[10:16] Speaker 1: next Tuesday, the same margin, again, wiping out all of
[10:21] Speaker 1: what happened last year. We will be right back to
[10:24] Speaker 1: where we were for all of twenty twenty four after
[10:28] Speaker 1: the meeting in May. Now, yes again, obviously, the events
[10:35] Speaker 1: in Iran are going to cause massive problems. Why because
[10:38] Speaker 1: of what we have all talked about for a long time,
[10:41] Speaker 1: and you now know like the back of your hand,
[10:43] Speaker 1: the consequences when it comes to the World War price,
[10:46] Speaker 1: the consequence that flows through to petrol to diesel, and
[10:49] Speaker 1: the transportation costs that further feed into inflation. Well, all
[10:56] Speaker 1: of this of course comes at a cost, and while
[10:59] Speaker 1: it does not for some reason come at a political
[11:01] Speaker 1: cost of the Prime Minister or of the Treasurer. For
[11:05] Speaker 1: those that are trying to pay off a home, it
[11:07] Speaker 1: is thousands of dollars that you have to find on
[11:12] Speaker 1: top of the thousands of dollars that you have already
[11:15] Speaker 1: had to find since this government came to power in
[11:18] Speaker 1: twenty and twenty two. The numbers are very clear. Okay,
[11:25] Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars is the expectation here because three of
[11:30] Speaker 1: the four big banks, well again they predict this trio
[11:32] Speaker 1: of back to back rises. This would mean that the
[11:35] Speaker 1: typical capital city mortgage holder eight thousand dollars a year
[11:38] Speaker 1: extra that they are having to pay. As I said,
[11:43] Speaker 1: Australia's three big banks, Commonwealth, Westpac and MAB that'll revise
[11:48] Speaker 1: their interest rate focuses and a typical one million dollar
[11:52] Speaker 1: mortgage the median price for an Australian capital city will
[11:56] Speaker 1: cost it an extra five four hundred and thirty six
[11:59] Speaker 1: dollars per year. Canstar has worked this out to be
[12:03] Speaker 1: seventy full tanks of petrol. If you are on one
[12:07] Speaker 1: point five million dollars in a mortgage or more, that's
[12:10] Speaker 1: how you start to get towards that number of eight thousand.
[12:17] Speaker 1: The government has started a problem. The government has seen
[12:21] Speaker 1: the problem get worse. The government will pretend that it's
[12:26] Speaker 1: all Iran, but there was plenty Canberra before a single
[12:30] Speaker 1: shot was fired in Iran. Now we've been following the
[12:35] Speaker 1: world oil price because there has of course been an
[12:38] Speaker 1: obvious consequence that takes place. The sad news is that
[12:41] Speaker 1: after the heights of a few days ago and it
[12:47] Speaker 1: started to go back down into the mid eighties. Tonight
[12:51] Speaker 1: the world oil price is now at ninety eight dollars.
[12:55] Speaker 1: The one hundred dollars a barrel is where things get
[12:58] Speaker 1: really serious. So sadly, after getting really bad it got okay,
[13:05] Speaker 1: it's now starting to turn for the worse. There is
[13:09] Speaker 1: now a belief amongst some and again I hope this
[13:11] Speaker 1: is as wrong as possible, but oil could end up
[13:15] Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel. If that's the case,
[13:17] Speaker 1: then petrol through the roof and some predictions three dollars aleater.
[13:24] Speaker 1: It gets worse before it gets better, which brings me
[13:29] Speaker 1: to well make Casanova bowen. Now, how many times has
[13:32] Speaker 1: he or somebody from the government told us nothing to
[13:35] Speaker 1: see here, there's no problems, there's no shortages. That's just
[13:37] Speaker 1: made up by people in the bush.
[13:40] Speaker 3: It's important that people know we do have a good
[13:43] Speaker 3: stock of petrol in reserve in Australia. Is no need,
[13:46] Speaker 3: no need to be concerned at this point about the
[13:49] Speaker 3: supply of diesel or petrol of Australia because our stocks
[13:52] Speaker 3: are as high as they were before this crisis began.
[13:55] Speaker 3: Our stocks are good. We're working cooperatively with the industry
[13:59] Speaker 3: to ensure that it is delivered to the regions that
[14:01] Speaker 3: are experiencing shortages as quickly at as efficiently as possible.
[14:05] Speaker 1: Now, as always, pay attention on a Sunday night when
[14:08] Speaker 1: we get the first crack at opinion from the week.
[14:09] Speaker 1: Pay attention on a Thursday night as well, because this
[14:12] Speaker 1: is when they want you to look the other way.
[14:17] Speaker 1: If everything's okay, Could somebody please explain, If everything's okay,
[14:20] Speaker 1: we don't need to do anything. Why is the government
[14:22] Speaker 1: making two moves right now? Australia is weighing the release
[14:27] Speaker 1: of emergency oil reserves. But I thought there was no problem.
[14:31] Speaker 1: The government is also going to lower the standard of
[14:34] Speaker 1: fuel that will be able to go to Australian motorists
[14:38] Speaker 1: and professional drivers and a spokeswoman for the Energy Minister,
[14:44] Speaker 1: Chris bow And, said Australia was finalizing its response to
[14:46] Speaker 1: the IA decision, but stressed participation was voluntary. The government's
[14:52] Speaker 1: focus is on shuring on domestic fuel gets to where
[14:55] Speaker 1: it needs to go at an affordable price. Well, of
[14:57] Speaker 1: course that affordable price is going out the window. Why
[15:00] Speaker 1: because while you sell what you bought last week, the
[15:06] Speaker 1: reality is that part of what gets added to it
[15:08] Speaker 1: is the price you might have to pay next week.
[15:11] Speaker 1: Any action taken as part of a collective action will
[15:14] Speaker 1: be in our national interest. If we do join this action,
[15:17] Speaker 1: Australia will not be required to send fuel overseas, but
[15:19] Speaker 1: rather use the existing domestic reserves to take pressure out
[15:22] Speaker 1: of the global market. Again, they start the week with
[15:26] Speaker 1: a jedimind trick. This is not the petrol crisis that
[15:30] Speaker 1: you think. It is the stories of some service stations
[15:34] Speaker 1: running dry, some service stations running low, some service stations
[15:38] Speaker 1: saying the most you can get is twenty dollars. The
[15:42] Speaker 1: shelves that are empty if you want to buy one
[15:44] Speaker 1: of those plastic Jerry cans. Nothing to see here. This
[15:48] Speaker 1: is all panic buying. This is people carrying on like
[15:50] Speaker 1: it's toilet paper. Well, if that was all the case,
[15:53] Speaker 1: why are they thinking or doing exactly the things you
[15:58] Speaker 1: do if there is a problem right now with the
[16:01] Speaker 1: fuel supply. Of course they think you're stupid. They think
[16:05] Speaker 1: that everyone in the country, just like interest rates, just
[16:10] Speaker 1: like everything we talk about on this show, is either
[16:14] Speaker 1: the last government's fault or with international situations. The reality
[16:20] Speaker 1: is they have been in charge for four years, an
[16:24] Speaker 1: unbroken record of endless failure and endless gas lighting. If
[16:29] Speaker 1: only the fuel that they use to gaslight us could
[16:33] Speaker 1: be used to keep the trucks of Australia moving, because
[16:38] Speaker 1: at some point this is going to become an even
[16:40] Speaker 1: bigger problem, and then of course it'll be Peter Dutton's fault.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the Senate, and again a little
[16:49] Speaker 1: bit of detail that's trying to be put out with
[16:51] Speaker 1: the trash on a Thursday night. Now, the Senate, of course,
[16:55] Speaker 1: is a place where one of the things I like
[16:57] Speaker 1: about the Senate is that there's lots of minor party
[16:59] Speaker 1: people there's a lot of people and parties that get
[17:02] Speaker 1: represented there that do add to something other than Team Red,
[17:06] Speaker 1: Team Blue. And three examples of those who consider a
[17:10] Speaker 1: very significant thing to constantly talk about in racism is
[17:13] Speaker 1: the person who was elected as a Green in Lydia Thorpe,
[17:16] Speaker 1: the person who was elected as a Labour Party person
[17:19] Speaker 1: in Fatima Payment and the person who has been freshly
[17:22] Speaker 1: re elected and will be in our lives for another
[17:24] Speaker 1: five years at least, but will keep staying at the
[17:27] Speaker 1: top of that Greens ticket in Marine Faruki. Well, all
[17:31] Speaker 1: three of them have decided that today is the day
[17:33] Speaker 1: that they need to push for a change in the
[17:35] Speaker 1: rules in the Parliament because the parliament is full of racism.
[17:42] Speaker 1: The Independence Fatomer Payment, Lydia Thorpe and the Greens Marine Feruki.
[17:46] Speaker 1: So they've experienced racism in the Senate Chamber as the
[17:50] Speaker 1: Trio call for the upper house's rules to change so
[17:53] Speaker 1: parliament is a quote safe workplace for women of color.
[17:57] Speaker 1: On Thursday, the group penned a joint letter to the
[17:59] Speaker 1: Senate President that outlined overt and insidious experiences of racism,
[18:06] Speaker 1: claiming that standing orders and procedural rules have been used
[18:08] Speaker 1: to silence those who call out racism. The letter demands
[18:15] Speaker 1: that Senate aligns, the President of the Senate, establishes an
[18:17] Speaker 1: inquiry into racism in the upper House, and implement mandatory
[18:21] Speaker 1: anti racism training for all parliamentarians. This is what they
[18:26] Speaker 1: said in part today while making the point in Canberra.
[18:30] Speaker 5: We are subjected by racism in the halls of power.
[18:35] Speaker 6: When we call.
[18:35] Speaker 5: Out racism, the system turns on us rather than the
[18:41] Speaker 5: perpetrators of racism. We are told to sit down and
[18:45] Speaker 5: shut up. We are told we are out of order,
[18:49] Speaker 5: out of line. We are told we break rules that
[18:53] Speaker 5: others can seemingly flout, and we are told to be
[18:59] Speaker 5: silent when something we say offends weight people.
[19:04] Speaker 7: Unfortunately, most of them belong to a major party where
[19:07] Speaker 7: they've got to toe the line and vote against dealing
[19:10] Speaker 7: with racism. I think that is culturally unsafe for every
[19:14] Speaker 7: non white politician that is forced by their major party
[19:20] Speaker 7: to vote down laws that stop racism. I think that's
[19:26] Speaker 7: it's really you know, I feel for those people, But
[19:30] Speaker 7: we're not shackled to a party line.
[19:33] Speaker 8: The vacuum that's created by the Prime Minister's lack of
[19:37] Speaker 8: leadership in stamping out racism is allowing for hateful voices
[19:43] Speaker 8: to fill that void.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Now, of course, Lydia Thorpe claims that she's not going
[19:47] Speaker 1: to run in the next election. Let's all see if
[19:49] Speaker 1: that's the case. But of course when you look at
[19:52] Speaker 1: the public polling, there would be no opportunity for her
[19:55] Speaker 1: to be able to get to the fourteen percent to
[19:56] Speaker 1: be able to win back another six years in our
[20:00] Speaker 1: political life. Fatima Payman has started a political party that
[20:04] Speaker 1: seemingly would also not be offering the same sort of support,
[20:08] Speaker 1: and she is around for at least another term. So
[20:12] Speaker 1: presumably at the twenty twenty eight election we will have
[20:14] Speaker 1: all of these opportunities and the people will or won't
[20:16] Speaker 1: decide to rehire them for another six years. But the
[20:21] Speaker 1: idea that all of the rules must change because everyone's
[20:23] Speaker 1: just allowed to get away with whatever they want. Well,
[20:27] Speaker 1: of course, when Paulin Hansen decided to wear the burker
[20:32] Speaker 1: in the parliament, this was decided by the Parliament to
[20:36] Speaker 1: be an act that went too far. Remember she was
[20:41] Speaker 1: booted out for seven days. Austrating people's reaction to this,
[20:45] Speaker 1: They went from fifteen percent in the polls to about
[20:48] Speaker 1: twenty five percent in the polls. Oh, and we're talking
[20:54] Speaker 1: about what the Parliament decides to police is appropriate and
[20:57] Speaker 1: inappropriate behavior. Apparently this was inappropriate as well when senators
[21:05] Speaker 1: to sit a Nampa jimper Price wore the Australian flag
[21:08] Speaker 1: during a speech. When Pauline Hanson wore the Australian flag
[21:10] Speaker 1: during parliament, they were told to remove the flag because
[21:17] Speaker 1: apparently the only people that are allowed to do anything
[21:21] Speaker 1: other than add to the clothes that they wore to work. Well,
[21:25] Speaker 1: apparently it is only those that are of course of
[21:27] Speaker 1: the hard left. And then, of course there's a politician
[21:33] Speaker 1: who was as far away from Canberra as possible when
[21:37] Speaker 1: she spoke, yes metaphorically, but still, what would the reaction
[21:41] Speaker 1: have been if Pauline Hansen had said this at a
[21:44] Speaker 1: rally in regional Queensland.
[21:47] Speaker 7: I have to burn down Howland House to make it up.
[21:55] Speaker 4: I'm not doing mataime.
[21:59] Speaker 1: Nothing happened. They didn't even censure Lydia thought for what
[22:03] Speaker 1: she said. Now, the AFP may will have cleared her
[22:06] Speaker 1: of the crime, but it is not a crime to
[22:09] Speaker 1: where the burker if you are not a woman of
[22:13] Speaker 1: the Islamic faith. But the Parliament decided to turn around
[22:17] Speaker 1: and to censure. Nothing happened to Lydia thought for saying
[22:23] Speaker 1: that she wants to talk about double standards and people
[22:25] Speaker 1: looking the other way. I repeat, if Malcolm Roberts, Ralph Babbitt,
[22:32] Speaker 1: or did I even say Jackie Lamby had said something
[22:35] Speaker 1: like that outside of the Parliament, we all know what
[22:37] Speaker 1: the reaction would have been. So these senators believe that
[22:42] Speaker 1: fighting racism is done one stunt at a time. But
[22:45] Speaker 1: that's all this is. Okay, this is a weird one,
[22:51] Speaker 1: but I want to talk about it because I think
[22:53] Speaker 1: it's something that you've got to bring up with the
[22:55] Speaker 1: younger blokes in your family. Have you ever heard of
[22:59] Speaker 1: a guy called Andrew Now, he is a guy who
[23:03] Speaker 1: is quite controversial. He's a man who is part of
[23:07] Speaker 1: what is called the manisphere. This is largely social media
[23:10] Speaker 1: where an awful lot of people on social media like
[23:13] Speaker 1: a tape and a whole bunch of others. Basically, women
[23:17] Speaker 1: must be faithful. It's one way monogamy. You can do
[23:21] Speaker 1: whatever you want. The system is built against blokes blah
[23:25] Speaker 1: blah rah rah. And there's going to be a lot
[23:27] Speaker 1: of people that are going to watch documentary on Netflix
[23:30] Speaker 1: which has just dropped from the British guy Louis Thereaux,
[23:34] Speaker 1: which is called inside the Manusphere, where without giving the
[23:37] Speaker 1: free ad, he's going around and talking to a whole
[23:39] Speaker 1: bunch of these people. I've got to say, I watch it.
[23:41] Speaker 1: It's not that good. But still the concept of the
[23:45] Speaker 1: manusphere is something that I want to talk about because
[23:48] Speaker 1: there's some evidence about some of the odder views that
[23:52] Speaker 1: I thought we had kind of put in the bin
[23:54] Speaker 1: that are starting to come back now. The manisphere has,
[23:59] Speaker 1: of course whole series of labels, and just like any
[24:02] Speaker 1: sort of subculture, those labels have both positive and negative
[24:06] Speaker 1: terms that are associated with them. I will not go
[24:09] Speaker 1: through what thought white Knight, red pilled cuck, Beta, soy boy,
[24:15] Speaker 1: unicorn and chad mean, but that would be an example.
[24:20] Speaker 1: There's also a movement to celebrate to tradwives, people who
[24:24] Speaker 1: are seeking to be a little more nine fifties in
[24:29] Speaker 1: the traditional quote unquote roles between men and women. There's
[24:33] Speaker 1: plenty of reporting about all of this. You can read
[24:35] Speaker 1: about all of this, but again, I'm just getting to
[24:38] Speaker 1: a conversation about the types of things that the young
[24:40] Speaker 1: blokes in your family might be watching. Now. I am
[24:44] Speaker 1: somebody who is done with the idea that all forms
[24:47] Speaker 1: of masculinity are toxic and all men can't be trusted
[24:50] Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. As I've said, for as
[24:52] Speaker 1: long as I've had access to a microphone, myself and
[24:55] Speaker 1: all of the men that I would know would die
[24:58] Speaker 1: for the women that they love, and that includes the
[25:02] Speaker 1: people that we work with. It includes our friends. It's
[25:04] Speaker 1: not just about saving your own family from danger. You
[25:09] Speaker 1: would do the same for friends. So let me get
[25:14] Speaker 1: to the data. Part of this study has been released
[25:18] Speaker 1: in the past couple of days that shows the attitudes
[25:21] Speaker 1: of gen Z men. So these are blokes who are
[25:25] Speaker 1: in their late teens or early twenties versus their grandparents,
[25:31] Speaker 1: and it's different. They have very different views about sex
[25:34] Speaker 1: equality and quote unquote obedient wives stick with me. Gen
[25:40] Speaker 1: Z Men are twice as likely to hold traditional views
[25:44] Speaker 1: on a woman's place in the world and their baby
[25:46] Speaker 1: boomer counterparts. This new global research is shown a third
[25:49] Speaker 1: of gen z men believe that a husband should have
[25:52] Speaker 1: the final word on important decisions. Thirty one percent say
[25:57] Speaker 1: that a wife should always obey her husband, compared with
[26:01] Speaker 1: the thirteen and seventeen percent of male boomers who believe
[26:05] Speaker 1: that more than double. The survey is twenty three thousand
[26:09] Speaker 1: people in twenty nine countries. It's also found that in
[26:12] Speaker 1: Australia specifically, twenty four percent of young men believe that
[26:17] Speaker 1: a woman should not appear too independent or self sufficient.
[26:21] Speaker 1: What bullshit is This double the number of boomer men
[26:25] Speaker 1: who agreed with the statement on equality. Fifty nine percent
[26:29] Speaker 1: of gen Z men believe that they are doing too
[26:33] Speaker 1: much to support equality, compared to forty five percent of
[26:37] Speaker 1: boomer men. Putting the spotlight again on Australia, forty six
[26:41] Speaker 1: percent of men and women believe that things have gone
[26:46] Speaker 1: far enough to give women equal rights fifteen percent up
[26:51] Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. This is the third highest jump behind
[26:56] Speaker 1: Poland and Chile. I love Poland and I think they're
[27:00] Speaker 1: prison It's fantastic, And the Polish friends that are watching,
[27:02] Speaker 1: I love you more than ever. But there is another problem,
[27:07] Speaker 1: and this feeds into the kids aren't all right stuff.
[27:10] Speaker 1: And it's all easy to turn around and say, oh,
[27:12] Speaker 1: they just need a hard en art, a spoonful of
[27:13] Speaker 1: cement and all the rest of it right. And because yes,
[27:17] Speaker 1: we have ignored boys' education. We have pretended that all
[27:22] Speaker 1: forms of masculinity are toxic, that every man is a
[27:25] Speaker 1: ticking time bomb of abuse, that when people offer an
[27:32] Speaker 1: alternative view, and yes, one that is actually toxic, they
[27:38] Speaker 1: start to turn to it. So while I'm not asking
[27:42] Speaker 1: you to get the young blokes in your life to
[27:44] Speaker 1: hand over their phones, I am asking for you to
[27:47] Speaker 1: have a chat with them. Hey, what do you think
[27:49] Speaker 1: is the role of women? Hey? What do you think
[27:51] Speaker 1: is the role of equality? Who are the people that
[27:54] Speaker 1: you look up to? And don't sit there and fight
[27:57] Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, but just start to
[27:58] Speaker 1: know what is happening in your family, because your family
[28:03] Speaker 1: is our country. A reminder, we are heading off to
[28:07] Speaker 1: the Mid North Coast on the twenty ninth of March
[28:09] Speaker 1: for Port Macquarie. Thanks for our dear friends at our
[28:13] Speaker 1: town at ourtown at Harvey Norman. We're going to be
[28:17] Speaker 1: there Sunday, the twenty ninth of March and Mid North Coast,
[28:19] Speaker 1: beautiful part of Australia. We're going to have fun. There'll
[28:22] Speaker 1: even be some excellent barbecuing. Oh I gave away a secret,
[28:26] Speaker 1: but it's another reason to join us. Our town ats
[28:28] Speaker 1: conews dot com dot you ourtown at skynews dot com.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Dot Au. All right, let's get straight into it. Lots
[28:34] Speaker 1: to talk about tonight, from the war at home in
[28:38] Speaker 1: terms of the genders, but more importantly to the effects
[28:43] Speaker 1: on our country of things like inflation and how much
[28:45] Speaker 1: the government clearly is to blame. We get to all
[28:48] Speaker 1: of it in a second here on Paul Murray Live.
[28:49] Speaker 1: Thanks for watching on a Thursday night. See you again
[28:51] Speaker 1: on a Sunday, but stick around. We've got a great
[28:53] Speaker 1: one before we're done tonight. Thank you so much for watching.
[29:00] Speaker 1: He bloke with the pep and his step well as
[29:01] Speaker 1: always this Joe Hildebrand, particularly Ross Cadell, right, because the
[29:05] Speaker 1: Nationals have got the packawhack around. They have been reborn.
[29:09] Speaker 1: He is in Canberra, of course, and we'll talk about
[29:11] Speaker 1: Matt Canavan taking over in a moment or two. Time.
[29:13] Speaker 1: Good to see the flag. As always, let's talk about
[29:16] Speaker 1: the Dennis Richardson thing. Right again. This is what he's
[29:18] Speaker 1: had to say about why he's pulled a pin on
[29:20] Speaker 1: the involvement in the Royal commission. The Royal commission that
[29:23] Speaker 1: was announced and began after the person had been charged.
[29:29] Speaker 1: So if this was ever going to be a problem,
[29:30] Speaker 1: that was before anything was announced, and he is not hiding.
[29:34] Speaker 1: You've seen him do multiple interviews on Sky News today,
[29:37] Speaker 1: multiple interviews and lots of other places where he's making
[29:40] Speaker 1: it very clear he doesn't want to be part of
[29:42] Speaker 1: a process that of course, at one point he was
[29:44] Speaker 1: right in the middle of about working out what went
[29:47] Speaker 1: wrong in terms of our intelligence failure.
[29:51] Speaker 2: The key thing to understand is that my report did
[29:54] Speaker 2: not exist in that I was doing a review prior
[30:01] Speaker 2: to the Royal Commission being announced. Once the Royal Commission
[30:05] Speaker 2: was announced, what I was doing was rolled into the
[30:09] Speaker 2: Royal Commission. Therefore it became a different animal, and over
[30:14] Speaker 2: time what I could add became less and less, and
[30:19] Speaker 2: it reached a point where I saw no point in
[30:22] Speaker 2: staying around.
[30:24] Speaker 1: Now, let's all save ourselves a few seconds here, right,
[30:26] Speaker 1: A full respect for the man, through his biography and
[30:30] Speaker 1: for what he brings to the conversation. So Joe, let's
[30:32] Speaker 1: just get to where I have gone tonight. And I've
[30:35] Speaker 1: been here well, frankly since the first day of the
[30:37] Speaker 1: Royal Commission, when they were saying they're not going to
[30:39] Speaker 1: do the eyewitness stuff. I think it's a snowjob. I
[30:42] Speaker 1: think that you can't have a serious Royal Commission that
[30:44] Speaker 1: has only had one day of hearings that is due
[30:46] Speaker 1: to report in what's seven weeks time?
[30:49] Speaker 9: Come on, look, I think what we're saying is all
[30:52] Speaker 9: the sort of contradictions and difficulties. To be honest, the
[30:56] Speaker 9: PM himself sort of flagged when he said, look, if
[30:57] Speaker 9: you want me to call Royal Commission, it's to create
[31:00] Speaker 9: all these headaches. Obviously he had already appointed Dennis Richardson.
[31:05] Speaker 9: Political sort of well, it was what people demanded of
[31:09] Speaker 9: him and he gave it to them. And I think
[31:11] Speaker 9: it was always going to be not a political fix necessarily,
[31:14] Speaker 9: but it was going to be something that looked more
[31:17] Speaker 9: culturally into what the nature of anti Semitism in Australia
[31:22] Speaker 9: looked like. And I've got no problem with that whatsoever,
[31:24] Speaker 9: of course, but that was a very different beast to
[31:27] Speaker 9: the highly technical, highly confidential stuff that Dennis Richardson was
[31:31] Speaker 9: looking into, which is how were their specific institutional agency
[31:35] Speaker 9: intelligence failures that allowed BONDAI to happen. And I think
[31:39] Speaker 9: what we've seen today is you've got Dennis Richardson, who
[31:41] Speaker 9: spent basically the second half of his life as the
[31:44] Speaker 9: lord of all he surveys, as the head of Defense,
[31:47] Speaker 9: the head of defat the head of ASIO. This is
[31:51] Speaker 9: not someone who can be sort of just put back
[31:54] Speaker 9: in a middle management role, and it's sort of and
[31:57] Speaker 9: that had to happen after the government announced the Royal Commission,
[32:01] Speaker 9: after it had already announced the Richardson inquiry. But giving
[32:07] Speaker 9: people what they want, you've basically been given the inevitable outcome.
[32:11] Speaker 1: Sorry for the sloppy TV of jumping into your shop,
[32:13] Speaker 1: but if in the control, if we can bring back
[32:15] Speaker 1: what we showed before, which was the timeline and the chronology. Right,
[32:19] Speaker 1: he's been paid five and a bit thousand dollars a day.
[32:22] Speaker 1: He's known that this has been rolled in for a
[32:25] Speaker 1: long time, right, a long time in terms of this process.
[32:29] Speaker 1: So again you know he's frustrated now, but the timeline's
[32:33] Speaker 1: very clear, right, And again, the attack happens December fourteenth.
[32:37] Speaker 1: A person is charged December seventeen, So theoretically, if we
[32:39] Speaker 1: can't talk about anything because they're charged. It was known
[32:42] Speaker 1: three days after Richardson was announced, twelve days after, as
[32:46] Speaker 1: you can see, the Royal Commission was what ten days
[32:49] Speaker 1: after that, So he's known since the eighth of January
[32:53] Speaker 1: that he was being rolled in but he's stuck around
[32:56] Speaker 1: fort whatever he can to get to now the middle
[32:59] Speaker 1: of March five and a half grand to day. Thank
[33:01] Speaker 1: you very much, Ross. I just think the Royal commission
[33:04] Speaker 1: and it only happened because fifteen people died. It hasn't
[33:09] Speaker 1: held in public hearing since February.
[33:14] Speaker 10: Yeah, it only happened because people demanded that. We demanded
[33:18] Speaker 10: that the people of Australia wanted a way to do this.
[33:21] Speaker 10: The problem isn't that it's a royal commission. It isn't
[33:24] Speaker 10: a problem that. The problem is is so short, the
[33:26] Speaker 10: terms of reference were wrong. It was doomed to fail
[33:29] Speaker 10: because the Prime Minister didn't want a royal commission, so
[33:32] Speaker 10: he made it so short and so so narrow.
[33:35] Speaker 1: That it couldn't work.
[33:36] Speaker 10: I you know, well done for Dennis for going in
[33:38] Speaker 10: there and having a go and having a gust to
[33:40] Speaker 10: say it's not working. Could have kept pocketing five and
[33:42] Speaker 10: a half grand a day till it was out there.
[33:44] Speaker 10: But that's not the guy is if this isn't working,
[33:47] Speaker 10: he had to come and call it out. This needs
[33:49] Speaker 10: to be way bigger. It ends in seven days.
[33:51] Speaker 1: But where we get the answer.
[33:52] Speaker 10: There was already problems about these agencies, the ASP and
[33:57] Speaker 10: US TRACK and all these guys having the sensor and
[33:59] Speaker 10: adapt information because the legislation was unclear on what they
[34:02] Speaker 10: could give to the Royal Commission. So he could have
[34:06] Speaker 10: done more if the scope was done better. He could
[34:08] Speaker 10: have done more if the legislation was clearer and these
[34:11] Speaker 10: people could hand over a better information. This has been
[34:14] Speaker 10: set up to fail by the bloke that never wanted
[34:16] Speaker 10: this in the first place, and he succeeded. People will
[34:19] Speaker 10: never have the true answers because this is a fail process.
[34:23] Speaker 1: Well again, right, I mean I don't know. Obviously they'll
[34:25] Speaker 1: speak to some leaders of the Jewish community for the
[34:28] Speaker 1: evidence in and around anti Semitism social cohesion. I mean
[34:31] Speaker 1: we've seen everything from the Indigenous Affairs Minister through to
[34:36] Speaker 1: edge music suggesting that other stuff should end up in there,
[34:39] Speaker 1: including Islamophobia. Again, you're better hurry up because the interim
[34:43] Speaker 1: report is at the end of April. I just think
[34:46] Speaker 1: it is about tick inflict to solve and to lance
[34:49] Speaker 1: the boil politically. The Prime Minister again then able to
[34:52] Speaker 1: dance out of it with the apology that took place
[34:56] Speaker 1: at the Sydney Opera House. But I'm sorry, there's a
[34:58] Speaker 1: lot of money to be spent on a police fix.
[35:00] Speaker 1: You and I just I find the process a fast.
[35:04] Speaker 1: I truly, truly do. Now I want to ask a
[35:06] Speaker 1: political question again at the end of the week to
[35:08] Speaker 1: both of you, which is another story of people who
[35:11] Speaker 1: having to choose between one thing and another in order
[35:13] Speaker 1: to be able to keep their head above water. The
[35:16] Speaker 1: latest example of it is when it comes to energy
[35:19] Speaker 1: at the moment. Obviously that's everything from the petrol that's
[35:22] Speaker 1: going into the car to the electricity bills. Right families
[35:26] Speaker 1: are choosing between cooling their homes and driving right households
[35:29] Speaker 1: bearing the brunt of the cost of urban heat, et ceterac.
[35:33] Speaker 1: So we know all this right, But my simple question
[35:35] Speaker 1: Ross is why is there no political consequence for this?
[35:39] Speaker 1: I mean, the Labour Party's primary vote has basically stayed
[35:42] Speaker 1: where it was since the last election. The overall slice
[35:46] Speaker 1: of the pie of the center left and far left.
[35:49] Speaker 1: Once you're throwing your Tiffany Teals and the Greens fifty
[35:53] Speaker 1: five percent, once you throw in the coalition one Nation
[35:55] Speaker 1: forty five percent. Yeah, there's an almighty fight about that
[35:59] Speaker 1: forty five percent. But what does it say here that
[36:02] Speaker 1: we keep seeing story after story after story, but we
[36:06] Speaker 1: don't seem to see any fundamental shift when things are
[36:10] Speaker 1: demonstrably worse than they were in May of last year.
[36:14] Speaker 10: Of course, I'll say as a member of the opposition,
[36:18] Speaker 10: we've been a bit rubbish for the last nine months
[36:20] Speaker 10: and we haven't given an alternative ideas. We haven't come
[36:23] Speaker 10: up with fixes. People are finding it tough. They're accepting
[36:27] Speaker 10: that's the new way of things. Ever since COVID know,
[36:30] Speaker 10: we've been lockdown, we accepted tyrannical lockdowns and conditions about
[36:34] Speaker 10: our life. After that, things have been tough. We had
[36:37] Speaker 10: high inflation at the end of it hasn't really got
[36:39] Speaker 10: on top of it. Now it's coming back. Being under
[36:42] Speaker 10: pressure has become the new normal, and there's no alternatives.
[36:45] Speaker 10: Were coming here with a fuel crisis this week, and
[36:48] Speaker 10: sure we're out there. We're saying, you know, it's not
[36:50] Speaker 10: good enough. You've got to be able to get these
[36:51] Speaker 10: theesel to the bush, You've got to be able to
[36:52] Speaker 10: do all this that. But where is the alternative policy
[36:55] Speaker 10: coming from. I'm really happy that Angus and now Matt
[36:57] Speaker 10: you are really hurry to get policy out there, be
[37:00] Speaker 10: saying here, here's what we're going to do on fuel excise,
[37:02] Speaker 10: here's what we're going to do on biodiesel and stuff
[37:04] Speaker 10: that's made in Australia. Here's what we're going to do
[37:06] Speaker 10: to reziliar stuff. There isn't enough alternative answers. Everyone can
[37:10] Speaker 10: go out there and win. Everyone knows doing it tough,
[37:12] Speaker 10: but it's on us to not be rubbish, start getting
[37:15] Speaker 10: these answers out there and create something.
[37:16] Speaker 1: That's the best answer I've heard in a year, Mate,
[37:18] Speaker 1: That is honestly the best and most honest answer, and
[37:21] Speaker 1: it speaks to a central problem that those of us
[37:23] Speaker 1: that have defined and seen and pointed to the problem
[37:26] Speaker 1: of the past three years was of course sadly lacking
[37:29] Speaker 1: in that election campaign, and it is behoven for alternative solutions.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Right but Joe, I mean again, you're a person who
[37:36] Speaker 1: has worked for the Telegraph for a long time, right,
[37:39] Speaker 1: you understand where normal middle people are. They're hurting, They
[37:43] Speaker 1: continually hurt. There's new and daily examples of hurting. More
[37:47] Speaker 1: Labour's numbers dead even Yeah, that's right.
[37:50] Speaker 9: I mean, look, if you look at it, I mean
[37:52] Speaker 9: labor it's not like Labour's got a primary vote in
[37:55] Speaker 9: the forties or it probably ever will again. I mean,
[37:57] Speaker 9: in many ways, voters are saying a pox on both
[38:00] Speaker 9: your houses or all three of your houses because the
[38:02] Speaker 9: elector's almost got to tripartite sort of characteristic these days.
[38:05] Speaker 1: But we're not then get you to fig.
[38:08] Speaker 9: But that's right, as Ros said. And also, I mean,
[38:10] Speaker 9: you know, labor is smart enough not to be banging
[38:14] Speaker 9: on about climate change in the middle of the cost
[38:15] Speaker 9: of living crisis. And the interesting thing about these numbers
[38:18] Speaker 9: that you just talked about, this was research done by
[38:22] Speaker 9: you know, an Action on Climate Change Bobby group. They said,
[38:25] Speaker 9: this is why we need to do more on climate change,
[38:27] Speaker 9: even though there would be plenty of people say, hang
[38:29] Speaker 9: on a minute, isn't the reason why power bills through
[38:31] Speaker 9: the roof because of your guys' schemes. And it's just
[38:34] Speaker 9: like that constant rawshack test that we see in politics now,
[38:37] Speaker 9: where you look at this crisis and people will say,
[38:39] Speaker 9: see this is why we need cheap solar wind power,
[38:44] Speaker 9: and someone else looking at it, see this is why
[38:46] Speaker 9: it's unreliable. It's cheap wind and solar doesn't work, and
[38:50] Speaker 9: we need to go to cheap coal. So again, I think,
[38:54] Speaker 9: I mean, I think obviously Ross is absolutely right. But
[38:57] Speaker 9: if you have if you have two lots that don't
[39:00] Speaker 9: really seem to be much much good or offering that much,
[39:06] Speaker 9: you're going to go with the one that looks like
[39:08] Speaker 9: the safest pair of hands. And that's where Labour sits.
[39:11] Speaker 1: Do you think Matte CANEVN changes the game? Yes?
[39:13] Speaker 9: I think Matt Canavan is excellent and I really like him.
[39:17] Speaker 9: His whip smart is an incredibly good communicator. And again
[39:20] Speaker 9: Ross talked about you know, no one being able to
[39:22] Speaker 9: name a policy even under Angus Taylor coming over Matte
[39:26] Speaker 9: Matt Canavan comes out first thing in Coome splitting. Everyone goes, oh, yeah,
[39:29] Speaker 9: that's a good idea. Now the Libs are.
[39:31] Speaker 1: Saying, oh yeah, we should wander to the last one.
[39:33] Speaker 4: That's right.
[39:36] Speaker 1: Again, had a great idea, exactly the great idea.
[39:38] Speaker 9: But that's something to get people talking about and say, oh,
[39:41] Speaker 9: this is what they actually bring the table. And he's
[39:43] Speaker 9: a perfect one nation killer as well, because he's a
[39:46] Speaker 9: non conservative and so he can talk to the rump
[39:49] Speaker 9: of the coalition that are running away to the right
[39:52] Speaker 9: and leave the Libs to try to mop up or
[39:54] Speaker 9: hold on to the suburban metropolitan seats.
[39:56] Speaker 1: Well, I do think there's a Canevan factor. I've got
[39:58] Speaker 1: a number in my head. We'll all convene after couple
[40:00] Speaker 1: of polls to see whether I was right or wrong. Right,
[40:02] Speaker 1: Ross Canavan we know or loser of the week. I
[40:05] Speaker 1: might have an idea who your winner is. But give
[40:06] Speaker 1: me an idea of mate, who's up? Who's down? This week?
[40:09] Speaker 10: Mate? Loser me in four hundred and fifty thousand fans
[40:11] Speaker 10: at Melbourne Grand previous or Oscar put it on the wall,
[40:13] Speaker 10: on the wall.
[40:14] Speaker 1: My opened, mate. Wasn't it incredible? I was? I was
[40:17] Speaker 1: at the GP. There were so many people who were
[40:20] Speaker 1: wearing the Oscar specific stuff. They were wearing McLaren stuff right,
[40:24] Speaker 1: and just you could feel that energy completely fall out. Anyway,
[40:27] Speaker 1: Chinese Grandpei coming up, but there's other areas where I'll
[40:30] Speaker 1: discussed motorsport more regularly.
[40:31] Speaker 9: All right, go for me, obviously Canavan as a winner
[40:34] Speaker 9: and Ross was going to say that, So I'll go.
[40:35] Speaker 9: Tony Burke, all those pictures of him with the Iranian
[40:39] Speaker 9: soccer players who have been now granted assimon as. I've
[40:43] Speaker 9: never seen my beloved Daily Telegraph so excited about Muslim's
[40:46] Speaker 9: getting asylum in Australia as I have in the last
[40:49] Speaker 9: few weeks, and I think you know the idea that
[40:52] Speaker 9: that Burke is there at the front line and has
[40:55] Speaker 9: delivered it and those pictures are worth a billion dollar.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Again, I can't stand it wouldn't for him. But they
[41:00] Speaker 1: played a blunder on the ditionate edition. All right, thank
[41:02] Speaker 1: you guys, do appreciate it? All right? An award winning Nune.
[41:05] Speaker 1: Did you think that you'd be watching that tonight when
[41:07] Speaker 1: you're about to because they met. Colin Flm is going
[41:09] Speaker 1: to tell us the story of an award winning Nune.
[41:13] Speaker 1: Wanta sy ow different. Colin Flym joins us right now.
[41:21] Speaker 1: Yes he's Irish, but he spends an awful lot of
[41:23] Speaker 1: time in Rome, and there's many stories to tell around
[41:26] Speaker 1: the world, including let's just get to this here, mate,
[41:28] Speaker 1: an award winning Nune. I want to learn more about
[41:31] Speaker 1: an award winning nun.
[41:34] Speaker 4: Paul, I love it. Hey, you can never say that
[41:36] Speaker 4: I do not bring you variety. Last week we're talking
[41:38] Speaker 4: about fish and chips in Ireland. This week, you know
[41:41] Speaker 4: what I thought, It's about high tide. I put manners
[41:43] Speaker 4: in that Paul Murray, and I'm going to bring in
[41:45] Speaker 4: a tough mother superior none to sort you out.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Bring in the rule of get him across the knuckles,
[41:52] Speaker 1: bag of the knuckles.
[41:53] Speaker 4: So I've been trying to injew this lady for years.
[41:56] Speaker 4: I first met her in New York five six years ago.
[41:59] Speaker 4: She has an incredible story. She's just won this big
[42:01] Speaker 4: award here at the Vatican for giving her life to
[42:04] Speaker 4: supporting and helping the lives of others.
[42:10] Speaker 11: We live in an age when most people don't get
[42:14] Speaker 11: up in the morning and feel that their life matters deeply.
[42:18] Speaker 11: Too many they question the meaning and the purpose of
[42:24] Speaker 11: their lives, you know, and our purpose as sisters of
[42:28] Speaker 11: life is that very to answer that very ache in
[42:32] Speaker 11: the heart of man, which is to say that you
[42:35] Speaker 11: are of infinite value. And so we get up every
[42:39] Speaker 11: day to proclaim that to the world that you are sacred,
[42:41] Speaker 11: you have a sacred origin, you have a sacred destiny,
[42:45] Speaker 11: and that every moment through life matters.
[42:50] Speaker 6: I think I froze there for a moment, so we
[42:52] Speaker 6: rolled the clip.
[42:53] Speaker 4: But that is mother Mary Agnes Donovan, who just received
[42:56] Speaker 4: this ward for giving her life to helping the lives
[42:58] Speaker 4: of others.
[43:00] Speaker 6: Was working as a top professor.
[43:01] Speaker 4: Would you believe paul A professor in clinical psychology at
[43:04] Speaker 4: the prestigious Columbia University in New York, when she decided
[43:08] Speaker 4: one day, you know what, I want to try and
[43:10] Speaker 4: give my life to others more. I want to do
[43:12] Speaker 4: something more profound. And she went on this spiritual retreat
[43:15] Speaker 4: and she told the director, you know what, within a week,
[43:18] Speaker 4: I'll be in a convent.
[43:19] Speaker 6: And he said, hang on, whoa, whoa, whoa, Not so fast.
[43:21] Speaker 6: But that's what she did.
[43:23] Speaker 4: She helped found the Sisters of Life, who started with
[43:25] Speaker 4: eight sisters. Now they have one hundred and sixty. They're
[43:28] Speaker 4: bucking the trend and growing. And what they do you
[43:31] Speaker 4: heard her talk about is there in the clip. It's
[43:33] Speaker 4: pretty simple when you break it down. They try and
[43:35] Speaker 4: tell people about how valuable life is and to tell
[43:39] Speaker 4: them that they have meaning, they have worth, which isn't
[43:41] Speaker 4: often easy, especially in a big city like New York,
[43:44] Speaker 4: when often your worth is put on the job that
[43:46] Speaker 4: you do.
[43:47] Speaker 6: I remember when I lived there for five years.
[43:48] Speaker 4: You'd meet someone and I'd say, hey, I'm column and
[43:51] Speaker 4: the first thing they would ask you, Paul, is hey,
[43:52] Speaker 4: what do you do? It was like your value and
[43:54] Speaker 4: your worth. But one of the big things that the
[43:56] Speaker 4: sisters do. I'm going to play one more clip for you.
[43:58] Speaker 4: It's so beautiful is that they help women, particularly poorer woman,
[44:02] Speaker 4: a single parents, who have no one to turn to,
[44:05] Speaker 4: so they get pregnant, they want to have a child,
[44:08] Speaker 4: but pressure is on them to have an abortion. They're
[44:10] Speaker 4: looking for someone to give them help, to give them support,
[44:13] Speaker 4: and they call the Sisters of Life. And I remember
[44:16] Speaker 4: asking mother Mary Agnes, do you remember the first mother
[44:18] Speaker 4: that kept to you? And she said I do. We
[44:20] Speaker 4: actually brought her into the house. She lived with us
[44:22] Speaker 4: in the convent. We gave her all the support she needed,
[44:24] Speaker 4: and she gave birth to a little boy called Zion,
[44:28] Speaker 4: years and years past Paul. And then one day they
[44:30] Speaker 4: got a knock on the door. And here's what happened.
[44:33] Speaker 11: It was one morning in New York, in Manhattan on
[44:36] Speaker 11: a Saturday, and it was still summertime. And this group
[44:40] Speaker 11: of young men approached the door and rang the doorbell,
[44:43] Speaker 11: and sister answered and she was a little unsettled because
[44:46] Speaker 11: we have come in groups of five. Yeah, and there
[44:51] Speaker 11: they were, and yet she's something in her told her
[44:53] Speaker 11: she better ask sister Mary Colby, because Sister Mary Colby
[44:56] Speaker 11: has lived in that house where our mother's.
[44:58] Speaker 6: Run in her back up, bring the back up. All
[45:01] Speaker 6: the sisters come to the door. Once this is New York,
[45:04] Speaker 6: you know.
[45:05] Speaker 11: Sister Miricley came forward because she knows everyone, and so
[45:10] Speaker 11: she came and sure enough it was Marl it was Zion,
[45:14] Speaker 11: and there was Zion. And Zion was now there present
[45:19] Speaker 11: with all of his fellow football team members. He was
[45:23] Speaker 11: playing for Yale, and so he came back to Sacred
[45:26] Speaker 11: Heart Convent and it was a wondrous, wondrous reunion to
[45:30] Speaker 11: see him. He's a young man now graduated from Yale
[45:34] Speaker 11: and just a wonderful, wonderfully good person.
[45:38] Speaker 6: That life that may not have been.
[45:40] Speaker 11: That life that may not have been, so.
[45:44] Speaker 4: Beautiful, that life that may not have been. And since
[45:46] Speaker 4: they started in the early nineties, Mother Mary Agnes told
[45:49] Speaker 4: me that they have helped eleven thousand children come into
[45:52] Speaker 4: this world. And again, you know, Paul, I know it's
[45:54] Speaker 4: a very controversial and devisive thing in the US there
[45:57] Speaker 4: in Australia too. But on one side you have the
[46:00] Speaker 4: pro choice side, as they call themselves.
[46:01] Speaker 6: The other side is pro life.
[46:03] Speaker 4: And Mother Agnes told me that the irony is that
[46:05] Speaker 4: they just give woman that other choice, They give them
[46:08] Speaker 4: the support that they need and they walk with them
[46:11] Speaker 4: all the way. Just a wonderful story and a wonderful
[46:13] Speaker 4: woman who has just been awarded here at the Vatican.
[46:16] Speaker 1: By the way, an excellent reporter is always award winning.
[46:19] Speaker 1: And I've got to say, if anytime you want to
[46:21] Speaker 1: stand in for one of the Wiggles, the Blue Wiggle.
[46:23] Speaker 1: I'm loving the I'm loving the outfit. I'm loving it.
[46:25] Speaker 1: It's good work. Hot potato, hot potito. Brother.
[46:28] Speaker 4: Blue is the color of her lady. And because I
[46:31] Speaker 4: interviewed a nun and she was wearing blue, and I
[46:33] Speaker 4: know it's the colors here of Sky News or Sky
[46:36] Speaker 4: twenty four and News Now twenty four. That's why I
[46:40] Speaker 4: award for you today, Paul, So I worry News twenty four.
[46:43] Speaker 1: It kicks in a little bit later, but we'll all
[46:46] Speaker 1: be across it. Thank you calling You're part of the family.
[46:48] Speaker 1: Don't worry, thank you. I appreciate it. All right, quick
[46:51] Speaker 1: break back with more. You know how we love to
[46:52] Speaker 1: show you those dumb social media things politicians do. That's
[46:55] Speaker 1: how we're going to end that work, like the bout
[46:57] Speaker 1: about farving a bit from nap too. Oh you've been
[47:04] Speaker 1: working hard this week. We have been to My job's
[47:08] Speaker 1: really fun though, but we also like to be able
[47:11] Speaker 1: to have a look at how the people who write
[47:14] Speaker 1: the laws, the MPs, how they have been working. And
[47:17] Speaker 1: while you've been working, they have been making rubbish social
[47:20] Speaker 1: media videos. Like our old mate from Queensland, who if
[47:24] Speaker 1: nothing else will be getting ready to become a kids presenter.
[47:30] Speaker 1: Mother servant has just what a Victorian MP is worth
[47:42] Speaker 1: having a look at you each to their own.
[47:45] Speaker 5: That's what I say, get out.
[47:48] Speaker 1: Get out of my house. And then Chris Bowen, in
[47:53] Speaker 1: the middle of pretending nothing to see here when it
[47:56] Speaker 1: comes to fuel, he had a little bit of time
[48:00] Speaker 1: for a staffer, said hey, boss, let's make this.
[48:04] Speaker 3: I'm handing the phone as someone who's making it easier
[48:06] Speaker 3: for people the act to access cheap, reliable solar energy.
[48:10] Speaker 5: I'm passing the plane to someone who knows what's good
[48:12] Speaker 5: for the planet.
[48:12] Speaker 10: It's good for the.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Pocket past the sick bag, not the phone. A reminder,
[48:18] Speaker 1: if you can make it to Port McQuary in a
[48:20] Speaker 1: couple of sunday's time, we are going to be in
[48:22] Speaker 1: Port McQuary in a couple of sunday's time. Cannot wait
[48:25] Speaker 1: the twenty ninth of March. Join us, send us an
[48:27] Speaker 1: email tonight. Let's feel the joint this weekend. Hey ourtown,
[48:30] Speaker 1: it's Gonnews, dot com, dot A. You have a wonderful weekend.
[48:33] Speaker 1: I'm very excited. The Tigers are back atchheart so fingers crossed.
[48:37] Speaker 1: Go Yankees, and Chase's on the case.

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