# Paul Murray Live | 21 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 21 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/85d254de-af07-4cb0-9963-b48e00d624dd/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Jacinta Allan is leading Victoria down a dark path, voter attitudes changing towards China. Plus, Pauline Hanson blasts the loose immigration policy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky setter. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
[0:07] Speaker 1: you Sharry again, loving to have you back. Now I'm
[0:08] Speaker 1: going to say something very dangerous, something that I have
[0:12] Speaker 1: always been told you're never supposed to say on television.
[0:16] Speaker 1: Today was a really boring day in the news. Now
[0:19] Speaker 1: we've got a great show tonight. We've got some great
[0:22] Speaker 1: conversations with incredible people, including Neil Mitchell, who's going to
[0:25] Speaker 1: join us to preview the Victorian election, talk about just
[0:27] Speaker 1: how long just into Allan, whether she'll be able to
[0:29] Speaker 1: stick around as the labor leader. We'll have a great
[0:32] Speaker 1: debate as always, and there's plenty of other things in
[0:35] Speaker 1: the news that I wanted to talk about, including the
[0:37] Speaker 1: absurdity of the day, the media obsession of the day
[0:42] Speaker 1: that frankly has been a little bit embarrassing. But because
[0:45] Speaker 1: there's not one big obvious headline today, and I'm not
[0:48] Speaker 1: just going to reheat the same version of the Paul
[0:50] Speaker 1: Enhanson conversation that's been had for hours and hours, I'm
[0:53] Speaker 1: going to start with something slightly different, and that is
[0:56] Speaker 1: a conversation about the future of our country. Now, Australia
[1:04] Speaker 1: has a very significant amount of money that we owe
[1:06] Speaker 1: the rest of the world. Now, this hasn't always been
[1:08] Speaker 1: the case. Remember famously, in two thousand and seven we
[1:11] Speaker 1: were debt free and then a successive series of governments
[1:16] Speaker 1: all the way from Rudd to Albanzi have put us
[1:20] Speaker 1: in the hole deeper and deeper and deeper. COVID put
[1:23] Speaker 1: us really deep in the hole, the financial crisis, really
[1:26] Speaker 1: deep in the whole. But successive governments spending more money
[1:30] Speaker 1: than they actually have coming in, despite the fact that
[1:32] Speaker 1: they have a record amount of money that is coming
[1:35] Speaker 1: in because the population keeps growing, not just naturally but
[1:39] Speaker 1: importation of workers as well. And the number that we
[1:44] Speaker 1: owe the rest of the world is a frightening number,
[1:49] Speaker 1: close to trillion dollars in days.
[1:50] Speaker 2: We are now over a trillion dollars with no surplus insight.
[1:54] Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers is sitting on a trillion dollar debt.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Bomb, one trillion dollars of debt. And again, how do
[2:02] Speaker 1: you get to a trillion dollars in debt? Well, every
[2:04] Speaker 1: time there's a budget deficit, it gets added to the
[2:07] Speaker 1: last one, to the last one, to the last one,
[2:09] Speaker 1: to the last one to the last one. And we've
[2:10] Speaker 1: had way more deficits than surpluses in the past twenty years.
[2:16] Speaker 1: So we end up owing the rest of the world
[2:18] Speaker 1: are trillion dollars, but we probably actually owe the world
[2:20] Speaker 1: a whole lot more, because, as I've told you, there
[2:22] Speaker 1: are hundreds of billions of dollars that are off the books,
[2:27] Speaker 1: off budget. Now these can be things like the construction
[2:32] Speaker 1: of the NBN, but under the Auberneezy government, many of
[2:36] Speaker 1: these things that we will still owe the rest of
[2:38] Speaker 1: the world money for, but they don't need to show
[2:40] Speaker 1: the receipts because they use a magical world that somehow
[2:45] Speaker 1: changes the book keeping.
[2:47] Speaker 4: We're investing so substantially, investing in, investing, investing, and investing.
[2:51] Speaker 5: We're investing billions of dollars.
[2:54] Speaker 1: But the truth is our society has changed. The one
[2:58] Speaker 1: whether the World War II generation, of course they didn't
[3:01] Speaker 1: know what debt was. Their kids started to have greater
[3:07] Speaker 1: access to money in the form of things like credit
[3:11] Speaker 1: cards or loans that didn't require as much of a
[3:14] Speaker 1: deposit as it used to be. And then the grandkids
[3:18] Speaker 1: Gen X of the World War II people, well, we
[3:22] Speaker 1: were introduced to again a world where you didn't even
[3:26] Speaker 1: have to have an asset behind you to be able
[3:28] Speaker 1: to get things like a credit card. To be able
[3:31] Speaker 1: to get a loan for a car or a TV,
[3:34] Speaker 1: you just had to have a job and the capacity
[3:36] Speaker 1: to pay the loan off. And then the millennials and
[3:41] Speaker 1: now gen Z well they live in the world, of
[3:43] Speaker 1: course of buy now, pay later, where again it's not
[3:47] Speaker 1: about whether or not you have a savings history. It's
[3:50] Speaker 1: just about showing me your pay slips. How much of
[3:53] Speaker 1: this will you be able to spend on that? And
[3:57] Speaker 1: the reality is that even as Australia has a trillion
[4:00] Speaker 1: dollars in debt, you don't notice the checks keep clearing.
[4:06] Speaker 1: When it comes to the government. We freely go to
[4:09] Speaker 1: the beach, go to the pub, go to the footy.
[4:18] Speaker 1: But me it's like coughing fit, not because of the budget,
[4:21] Speaker 1: but just a lass lifestyle choices, I suppose, or a
[4:23] Speaker 1: lot of pollen in the air. But the point is
[4:25] Speaker 1: life keeps going on. What would have been absolutely embarrassing,
[4:30] Speaker 1: unthinkable and conscionable to the generation that built the country,
[4:35] Speaker 1: that kept it free, is now just a number that
[4:39] Speaker 1: people don't care about, and our elections have become about
[4:43] Speaker 1: more promises. The federal budget every year is what's in
[4:46] Speaker 1: it for you? The calculator is brought out about specifically
[4:50] Speaker 1: exactly down to the last dollar. What's in it for you?
[4:54] Speaker 1: So we are in this spiral, and I've shown you
[4:58] Speaker 1: plenty of times that the plan doesn't change. The structural
[5:02] Speaker 1: deficit of the federal budget continues, where because of all
[5:06] Speaker 1: of that spending, no matter how much they grow the population,
[5:10] Speaker 1: they can't grow the tax take to match the increase
[5:13] Speaker 1: in what they're spending. So, as I've shown you before,
[5:16] Speaker 1: the intergeneration reports is budget deficit next year, next year,
[5:19] Speaker 1: next year, next year, next year, five years, ten years, twenties,
[5:22] Speaker 1: thirty years, So at trillion dollars will become one and
[5:25] Speaker 1: a half will become two. And the central belief of governments,
[5:32] Speaker 1: particularly center left governments, is it doesn't matter. This is
[5:36] Speaker 1: the thing called and I've spoken about it before, but
[5:38] Speaker 1: modern monetary theory. To give you an idea in visual form,
[5:45] Speaker 1: the ABC, when explaining this a few years ago, literally
[5:48] Speaker 1: had a picture of a money tree. The theory is
[5:52] Speaker 1: that nobody will ever call in the debt. You'll have
[5:54] Speaker 1: to pay sort of basic interest off, but you'll never
[5:58] Speaker 1: have to pay the principle and unlike a online the
[6:00] Speaker 1: bank's never going to turn up and go. You're in default.
[6:04] Speaker 1: We have to take it back because you're never going
[6:06] Speaker 1: to pay this back. And there are people like Jim
[6:09] Speaker 1: Chalmers who absolutely live and breathe this economic philosophy. At
[6:16] Speaker 1: the state level, people like Cisinter Allen is not the
[6:18] Speaker 1: only premiere in the country and not the only political
[6:22] Speaker 1: party in the country who lives like this. They all
[6:25] Speaker 1: live like this. But a warning about why debt matters,
[6:32] Speaker 1: because even if all you are doing is paying the
[6:34] Speaker 1: most basic amount off the credit card every single week,
[6:38] Speaker 1: every month, every year, the total amount that you end
[6:42] Speaker 1: up owing grows and grows and grows and grows and grows,
[6:46] Speaker 1: meaning the minimum amount goes from a relatively small number
[6:52] Speaker 1: of millions to tens and then hundreds of millions of
[6:57] Speaker 1: dollars that you have to pay off. And that's hundreds
[6:59] Speaker 1: of mentllions of dollars that you don't have for the
[7:03] Speaker 1: ambulance services that more people than ever before will require.
[7:08] Speaker 1: Because a there's more people, and two people get older,
[7:12] Speaker 1: there's no money for more schools, there's no more money
[7:16] Speaker 1: for extra police. But again, if it all just keeps
[7:21] Speaker 1: working and everyone can keep going to the pub and
[7:23] Speaker 1: nobody sees anything well, then their claim is that people
[7:27] Speaker 1: won't care. And the truth is that when the citizens
[7:30] Speaker 1: themselves are up to their eyeballs, and let's be honest,
[7:33] Speaker 1: probably their eyebrows now in debt, who cares if the
[7:37] Speaker 1: country is well. The warning that has come about this
[7:42] Speaker 1: modern monetary theory speaks very directly to a problem of
[7:47] Speaker 1: the Victorian government where by twenty thirty, and think of
[7:51] Speaker 1: how fast two thousand littlone twenty ten little in twenty
[7:55] Speaker 1: fifteen fields ago, and even that picture that I showed
[7:57] Speaker 1: you was from twenty and twenty, and we are now
[8:00] Speaker 1: closer to twenty thirty than when that picture from twenty
[8:03] Speaker 1: twenty and the pandemic was around that the total amount
[8:06] Speaker 1: of interest payments the minimum amount of the credit card
[8:10] Speaker 1: in Victoria will be ten percent of all of the
[8:13] Speaker 1: money they get by twenty thirty, meaning you end up
[8:20] Speaker 1: in a scenario eventually, and that eventually is not within
[8:26] Speaker 1: our kids' lifetime, it's not even within a lifetime. It's
[8:32] Speaker 1: before the Brisbane Olympics in twenty thirty two. Remember that's
[8:39] Speaker 1: six years away. That more money will being spent on
[8:43] Speaker 1: the minimum bill of the credit card than they are
[8:46] Speaker 1: spending they don't spend ten percent of the state budget
[8:49] Speaker 1: on police. They don't spend ten percent of the state
[8:52] Speaker 1: budget in lots of different areas, but they will spend
[8:55] Speaker 1: ten percent of the state budget that will inevitably still
[8:58] Speaker 1: require more money until ten becomes twelve, becomes fifteen, becomes thirty,
[9:06] Speaker 1: until you end up like Greece. Remember when Greece needed
[9:09] Speaker 1: a bailout from the rest of the world because its
[9:13] Speaker 1: minimum payments were basically one hundred and ten percent of
[9:16] Speaker 1: all of the money that comes in. And just like
[9:20] Speaker 1: any financial institution, when you fail to be able to
[9:23] Speaker 1: pay the minimum, sure you'll be able to find a
[9:26] Speaker 1: different loan somewhere else, but the interest rate won't be
[9:29] Speaker 1: what everyone else pays. It'll be even higher, and even high.
[9:31] Speaker 1: It's just a giant black hole. But because of no
[9:37] Speaker 1: delayed gratification, the citizens in the short term will always
[9:42] Speaker 1: take tomorrow over next week, tomorrow over next year. And
[9:47] Speaker 1: any politician is brave enough to say, hey, we've got
[9:49] Speaker 1: a problem here, and the problem is exactly what I've
[9:52] Speaker 1: just spent the past ten minutes talking about. That that
[9:55] Speaker 1: then gets turned into the great scare of it's cuts cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts.
[10:04] Speaker 1: So today was a really boring day in the news.
[10:06] Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot new to tell you. But there
[10:10] Speaker 1: are stories that are bigger than those that often lead
[10:13] Speaker 1: our news, and those are about the problem Australia and
[10:17] Speaker 1: frankly much of the Western world is in who owns
[10:20] Speaker 1: that money? How much interest do they charge? How big
[10:24] Speaker 1: does that bill become? Really matters now. Supposedly we just
[10:28] Speaker 1: had a federal budget that was about intergenerational fairness. Well,
[10:32] Speaker 1: how intergenerationally unfair is building a system where one in
[10:39] Speaker 1: ten of every single dollars that come into a state
[10:43] Speaker 1: or federal government goes immediately on not paying off debt,
[10:47] Speaker 1: but paying off the interest on the debt. This is
[10:50] Speaker 1: where I always never understand about the left, the whiplash
[10:54] Speaker 1: of all of it. We must do something about climate
[10:57] Speaker 1: change for the future. We must do something about how
[11:00] Speaker 1: taxes for the future. We must do something about debt.
[11:06] Speaker 1: Maybe probably not, somebody else will work it out right,
[11:10] Speaker 1: Suddenly we'll find something else in the ground that somehow
[11:12] Speaker 1: will fix all of our problems. I don't think so
[11:19] Speaker 1: another thing worth talking about tonight, And I'm liking the
[11:21] Speaker 1: idea that I've got a bit of time to talk
[11:22] Speaker 1: to you about the truly big things. China. Now, let's
[11:27] Speaker 1: be very clear that the Chinese government, the people in charge,
[11:33] Speaker 1: are different than the citizens or the families of the
[11:36] Speaker 1: citizens of the people of China, just like the Russian
[11:41] Speaker 1: government is different than the people of Russia. Just liked
[11:47] Speaker 1: I say, Donald Trump is different than the people of America.
[11:51] Speaker 1: I've got no problems with Chinese people, Russian people, Americans,
[11:56] Speaker 1: insert any other country you can think of. My comment
[12:00] Speaker 1: is about, as always, the people in charge of all
[12:03] Speaker 1: of these countries, and specifically China. There was an opinion
[12:08] Speaker 1: poll that came out today that sort of shocked me.
[12:11] Speaker 1: And again, you can't wish for a better result. You
[12:13] Speaker 1: only need to deal with one that we've got in
[12:15] Speaker 1: front of us. Well, only sixty percent of people see China,
[12:18] Speaker 1: and by China we mean the government of China as
[12:21] Speaker 1: a threat. Why am I shocked because that number should
[12:26] Speaker 1: be way higher, because the government of China is a
[12:29] Speaker 1: threat to Australia, to Canada, to New Zealand, to America,
[12:32] Speaker 1: to the Western world. And to show you why that
[12:38] Speaker 1: number in particular is a little frightening to me, is
[12:41] Speaker 1: it's a big change on the last time they asked
[12:43] Speaker 1: the question just five years ago. Five years ago, seventy
[12:49] Speaker 1: five percent of people saw China as a threat. Fifteen
[12:54] Speaker 1: percent of people didn't see it as a threat. Basically
[12:57] Speaker 1: a direct swap from yes to know in just five years.
[13:04] Speaker 1: And no, this is not again some backdoor conversation about migration.
[13:08] Speaker 1: In fact, it's something very different. And why is China
[13:12] Speaker 1: a threat to Australia. Is it because they're going to
[13:14] Speaker 1: bomb us off the face of the earth tomorrow. No,
[13:18] Speaker 1: because of course we kind of wanted some answers about
[13:21] Speaker 1: that pandemic that sort of ruined the world. And remember
[13:25] Speaker 1: what their response was. It was to go straight after
[13:28] Speaker 1: Australia's trade to basically deny twenty billion dollars worth of
[13:34] Speaker 1: exports into the country, to deny tourists to be able
[13:38] Speaker 1: to come to Australia, to tell students that they could
[13:42] Speaker 1: not come to Australia in the past five years, where
[13:47] Speaker 1: those numbers have apparently got better for China. That happened
[13:51] Speaker 1: in the past five years. Remember when China's Foreign Ministry
[13:55] Speaker 1: spokesperson put out a list of fourteen things Australia must
[14:00] Speaker 1: definitely do. A couple of people have reposted this today
[14:05] Speaker 1: and it's worth having a look at it. I won't
[14:07] Speaker 1: read all of it to you, but it was a
[14:08] Speaker 1: pretty significant list where they demanded that unfriendly or antagonistic
[14:13] Speaker 1: reports on China by the media poisoning the atmosphere of
[14:16] Speaker 1: bilateral relations. Yeah, the media that was talking about military
[14:20] Speaker 1: build up, COVID or the threats to our industry. Again,
[14:26] Speaker 1: in the past five years, Chinese jets have dropped flares
[14:29] Speaker 1: that could have killed Australians, Chinese spy ships have gone
[14:35] Speaker 1: around the Australian coast, and Australia is having to spend
[14:40] Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars propping up the Pacific island
[14:46] Speaker 1: nations to make sure that they don't fall into the
[14:49] Speaker 1: hands of China, who would spend hundreds of billions dollars
[14:52] Speaker 1: more to get them on side and in a war
[14:56] Speaker 1: to choose them over anyone else. And just this month
[15:02] Speaker 1: China tested a missile that could virtually hit anywhere in
[15:06] Speaker 1: the world and it could carry a nuclear bomb at
[15:10] Speaker 1: the front of it. Does that mean China is about
[15:13] Speaker 1: to blow everyone off the map tomorrow. No, but doesn't
[15:15] Speaker 1: mean that a country that is willing to ruin an
[15:18] Speaker 1: economy to make demands on sovereign nations about how they
[15:23] Speaker 1: interact with another sovereign nation. All of that in the
[15:27] Speaker 1: past five years. That's why the term threat exists. But again,
[15:34] Speaker 1: this is not a backdoor way of talking about migration. Instead,
[15:38] Speaker 1: it's about a left and right split in Australia. And
[15:41] Speaker 1: while I don't believe that the fundamental rift anymore is
[15:44] Speaker 1: about whether you're on the left or the right's about
[15:45] Speaker 1: whether you pay attention or don't pay attention. There are
[15:49] Speaker 1: some clear divides here about the views on China. Now
[15:54] Speaker 1: that's just a sample of all of the stuff that
[15:56] Speaker 1: people just want to look the other way forget go
[15:58] Speaker 1: to the pub. But it's like the debt thing, right,
[16:00] Speaker 1: it will never happen. It doesn't matter, of course, you
[16:03] Speaker 1: get no credit for the disasters that you avert. You
[16:06] Speaker 1: only end up paying a price for the disasters that
[16:08] Speaker 1: you're not able to keep inside the bottle. Stralian newspaper
[16:13] Speaker 1: To Day and Newspoll where those numbers came from. Today,
[16:16] Speaker 1: an exclusive newspole conducted between Monday and Thursday of last
[16:19] Speaker 1: week shows the majority of One Nation voters seventy six percent,
[16:24] Speaker 1: view China as a threat. Coalition supporters seventy four percent women,
[16:28] Speaker 1: sixty one percent Older Australians sixty eight percent believe that
[16:33] Speaker 1: China poses a significant threat to Australia's national security. It
[16:38] Speaker 1: continues that the newspoll about twelve one hundred voters showed
[16:41] Speaker 1: that only forty three percent of labor supporters, forty eight
[16:44] Speaker 1: percent of green supporters, forty one percent of university educated
[16:49] Speaker 1: students do not believe that China poses a significant threat
[16:52] Speaker 1: to Australia's national security. So supposedly the most educated amongst
[16:56] Speaker 1: us don't pay attention to the news, don't pay attention
[17:00] Speaker 1: to what China actually says, do not pay attention to
[17:02] Speaker 1: what China actually does, because you know, so apparently the
[17:11] Speaker 1: biggest story in the country was this today.
[17:16] Speaker 4: Right now, she's Australia's most famous dog because her master
[17:20] Speaker 4: just happens to be Barnaby Joyce, and because she now
[17:23] Speaker 4: copped an infamous spray.
[17:25] Speaker 1: One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce has yelled his dog with this.
[17:29] Speaker 6: Outburst at his barking dog during an interview on the
[17:32] Speaker 6: ABS last night.
[17:33] Speaker 3: Tell us about that interruption that took place slut on.
[17:35] Speaker 7: Air right well, there was a dog in the background.
[17:41] Speaker 1: Ring the bell ring the bell, and just to show
[17:46] Speaker 1: that I'm not cherry picking here right where I'm taking
[17:48] Speaker 1: something that happened twenty minutes into a program and pretending
[17:51] Speaker 1: that that's what the media was focused on today. These
[17:54] Speaker 1: were the actual lead stories on Channel seven and Channel
[17:57] Speaker 1: nine on six PM news tonight across the country. Apparently
[18:01] Speaker 1: the single most important thing that happened in the world today.
[18:05] Speaker 8: She went into bat for Barnaby Joyce over a bizarre
[18:08] Speaker 8: outburst on live TV.
[18:10] Speaker 9: A bizarre outburst from Barnaby Joyce yelling at his dog
[18:14] Speaker 9: on live television.
[18:16] Speaker 1: The number one, the lead, the tippy tippy top of
[18:20] Speaker 1: the news today. Sure there was the pilon on social
[18:23] Speaker 1: media as well, including the Animal Justice NP in Victoria.
[18:30] Speaker 1: Sorry it's a dog.
[18:33] Speaker 6: So this video is kind of like me, except it's
[18:37] Speaker 6: when I'm responding to people who tell me that one
[18:39] Speaker 6: nation care about animals. But it seems like I might
[18:43] Speaker 6: not have to deal with that much longer because they're
[18:46] Speaker 6: just telling the truth on live TV themselves.
[18:49] Speaker 1: Now what When asked about it by one of seven
[18:55] Speaker 1: thousand reporters today, Barnaby Joyce had exactly the right answer.
[18:59] Speaker 1: People in the re agents laugh about it. People in
[19:02] Speaker 1: the inner city. Think it's a war crime. Yeah, correct, Okay,
[19:07] Speaker 1: it was a bit weird, but the lead story breaking
[19:12] Speaker 1: good eveling tonight. Really, By the way, here is Stella,
[19:17] Speaker 1: the dog that was being yelled at. And anyone who's
[19:20] Speaker 1: got a dog that barks too much, guess what some
[19:24] Speaker 1: of us do yell at our dog. We love our dog,
[19:26] Speaker 1: we cut of our dog, we feed our dog, we
[19:27] Speaker 1: call it part of the family. But every now and
[19:29] Speaker 1: then it's just a dog. But the reason I mentioned
[19:35] Speaker 1: any of this is because I think I know where
[19:36] Speaker 1: this thing is going to go from the lead story,
[19:39] Speaker 1: the scandal, the latest reason why you shouldn't vote this
[19:42] Speaker 1: way or that way, or this politician or could you
[19:44] Speaker 1: imagine these people in charge? Is because Bob Catter he
[19:51] Speaker 1: made headline news a few months ago when there was
[19:56] Speaker 1: this exchange with a reporter punch blokes in the mouth
[20:01] Speaker 1: for saying that, oh in the media, when boom, boom boom,
[20:04] Speaker 1: this is out of rageous having an elected threatening the media.
[20:10] Speaker 1: But the context of what all of that was about,
[20:12] Speaker 1: of course, completely disappeared and it just became a funny
[20:16] Speaker 1: thing people used as a juxtaposition on social media. Videos
[20:20] Speaker 1: like these.
[20:22] Speaker 9: Oh man, don't say that because I punched Boks in
[20:25] Speaker 9: the mouth for saying that.
[20:27] Speaker 1: Oh man, don't say that. Oh Mike does say that.
[20:32] Speaker 1: I punched Boks in the mouth for saying that.
[20:34] Speaker 8: Bob, You've got Lebanese heritage, your help mate.
[20:37] Speaker 1: Oh my, don't say that because that irritates me, and
[20:39] Speaker 1: I punch blokes in the mouth for saying that. No,
[20:42] Speaker 1: Oh Mike does say that, because the airtightes me and
[20:46] Speaker 1: I punch blokes in the mouth for saying that. And
[20:50] Speaker 1: that's exactly where the Bannaby Joyce thing is going to
[20:51] Speaker 1: end up. The context doesn't matter because remember even with
[20:55] Speaker 1: the Julia Gilar misogyny speech, the context, if it mattered,
[20:59] Speaker 1: was about a defense of Peter Slipper. Remember, but they
[21:02] Speaker 1: only remembered the speech bit. I think that's all that's
[21:04] Speaker 1: going to happen. It's not a lead story. It's not
[21:07] Speaker 1: the single most important thing that happened in the country today.
[21:09] Speaker 1: Did a lot of people talk about it today? Sure?
[21:11] Speaker 1: The single most important thing, methinks not Meantime, the Pauline
[21:16] Speaker 1: Hanson and everything she has to say or do is
[21:18] Speaker 1: automatically lead news. Well, it goes to Perth today where
[21:22] Speaker 1: she was back in the country and she was appearing
[21:24] Speaker 1: at a forum, but together by the West Australian, they
[21:27] Speaker 1: decided to ask her, among other things, about the controversial
[21:30] Speaker 1: idea about mass deportation. Even though I showed you last
[21:34] Speaker 1: night that the deportation would be for people that are
[21:36] Speaker 1: in the country illegally, Trumps.
[21:40] Speaker 10: Did, okay, all those in the country immagually. I'll actually
[21:45] Speaker 10: give you one way ticket out of the country and
[21:48] Speaker 10: he said, then you can apply to come back in
[21:52] Speaker 10: some time later. But if you don't go, he said,
[21:56] Speaker 10: and we find you, you'll never get back in the
[21:58] Speaker 10: country again. Marian took that one way ticket and six
[22:04] Speaker 10: hundred thousand they had round up.
[22:05] Speaker 5: Fine.
[22:06] Speaker 10: I think that's a great way of doing it.
[22:09] Speaker 1: Sorry, who has a problem here. If you don't register
[22:14] Speaker 1: your car, the police can take the car off you.
[22:17] Speaker 1: If you don't own or rent the house, the police
[22:20] Speaker 1: can move you out as a squatter. The reason you're
[22:24] Speaker 1: allowed to lock your door at night is because you
[22:28] Speaker 1: own that bit, and Australia owns the island, the continent.
[22:34] Speaker 1: But of course, because we must be outraged at anything
[22:38] Speaker 1: that anyone slightly orange has to say. You have people
[22:42] Speaker 1: like this teal who I'm very sure, very sure is
[22:47] Speaker 1: pro people being able to lock their house in her
[22:50] Speaker 1: part of Melbourne.
[22:52] Speaker 3: The thought of that happening in this country it makes
[22:56] Speaker 3: me sick. And the fact that Pauline Hanson thinks that
[22:59] Speaker 3: that's a reasonable way to treat and deal with vulnerable
[23:02] Speaker 3: people tells me that she is not fit to have
[23:05] Speaker 3: any significant leadership role in this country.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Doctor. Please, the Australian Ice is going to be knocking
[23:14] Speaker 1: on doors looking for illegal immicants. Again, it doesn't work
[23:17] Speaker 1: like that, It's not planned to work like that's not
[23:19] Speaker 1: even discussed. But can we simply agree here illegally, you're
[23:25] Speaker 1: here illegally? Otherwise, why is there any system of filling
[23:30] Speaker 1: out forms? Remember, Pauline Hansen is here next Tuesday. I
[23:36] Speaker 1: can't wait for this. It's going to be please explain
[23:38] Speaker 1: with Pauline Hansen, and she is going to be taking
[23:40] Speaker 1: questions from in our studio and from around the country. Now, obviously,
[23:46] Speaker 1: we put this request out a couple of weeks ago
[23:49] Speaker 1: and we are flooded and we are full of questions.
[23:51] Speaker 1: But a couple of things have happened since then. There's
[23:54] Speaker 1: been a conversation about radical Islam. There is a conversation
[23:57] Speaker 1: about candidates for the Victorian election and of course the
[24:00] Speaker 1: interview when it comes to Spotlight. If you have anything
[24:03] Speaker 1: on those three particular issues, or maybe something else that
[24:06] Speaker 1: hasn't been in the news, please pub test at skyews
[24:09] Speaker 1: dot com that are you. Please be willing for us
[24:11] Speaker 1: to contact you for you to be able to ask
[24:13] Speaker 1: the question on camera, either live in the studio or
[24:16] Speaker 1: we will do it remotely. Okay, So again a blow
[24:20] Speaker 1: up around radical Islam, how to deal with it? The
[24:24] Speaker 1: Victoria election or the Spotlight interview? Your questions pop test
[24:27] Speaker 1: It's skynews dot com dot au. Danny Green is a
[24:31] Speaker 1: legend of Australian sport, full time world champion when it
[24:34] Speaker 1: comes to the great sport of boxing, and he is
[24:36] Speaker 1: very excited about an event that is coming up featuring
[24:39] Speaker 1: the Australian Tim Zoo. It is in fact happening this
[24:42] Speaker 1: weekend and he joins us right now from one of
[24:44] Speaker 1: the build up events that are taking place in Sydney. Danny,
[24:48] Speaker 1: what a thrill to be able to talk to you, mate,
[24:49] Speaker 1: lovely to see you. How excited are you for Tim
[24:51] Speaker 1: Zoo going around this weekend? Yeah?
[24:55] Speaker 4: Okay, Paul, Thanks hem Mel mate, Yeah, really excited. It's
[24:58] Speaker 4: a big fight, it's a great it's exciting. It's intriguing
[25:02] Speaker 4: because we're not too sure because Erol Spence has been
[25:05] Speaker 4: out of the game for a long time, and you know,
[25:07] Speaker 4: it's interesting to see what he's going to bring. And
[25:10] Speaker 4: people of people think Erol Spence is going to be victorious,
[25:13] Speaker 4: and there's a lot of people think Tim Zoo is
[25:15] Speaker 4: going to be victorious. It's kind of fifty to fifty,
[25:17] Speaker 4: so that's what makes this an exciting contest.
[25:20] Speaker 1: Now, you've been part of the fight game for a
[25:21] Speaker 1: long time. You've been on the inside of the big
[25:25] Speaker 1: builds for big fights with again people thinking something's going
[25:28] Speaker 1: to happen and then in the exact opposite ends up
[25:31] Speaker 1: taking place. What would it be like for Tim Zuo
[25:33] Speaker 1: right now with so much conversation and even for Spence
[25:37] Speaker 1: jor when you're in the middle of it, are you
[25:40] Speaker 1: aware of how big the stakes are? Outside of the ring,
[25:46] Speaker 1: you kind.
[25:47] Speaker 4: Of locked in, your zoned in and a bit of
[25:49] Speaker 4: a vortex on concentrating and focusing on what you need
[25:52] Speaker 4: to do to your opponent and what you want to happen,
[25:54] Speaker 4: and you're just focusing mentally on what you want to
[25:56] Speaker 4: happen on that night. It's it's a pretty it's it's
[25:59] Speaker 4: such a pressure cooker of an environment to be in.
[26:02] Speaker 4: It's hard to explain, and so it's every it's just
[26:04] Speaker 4: such an intense build up, Like you know, imagine the
[26:07] Speaker 4: most really nervous, nerve wracking experience that you're going to have,
[26:11] Speaker 4: that you know is coming. Well, imagine knowing that for
[26:13] Speaker 4: like eight weeks and then seven week six and then
[26:15] Speaker 4: the week of the fight and it's finally here and
[26:17] Speaker 4: then you get to face off with him tonight, and
[26:19] Speaker 4: you know tomorrow there's a media day, then there's a
[26:21] Speaker 4: press conference, workout Thursday, than the press conference on Friday,
[26:25] Speaker 4: than the way in on Saturday, and then the fight Sunday.
[26:29] Speaker 4: There's just so much going on, So both lads will
[26:32] Speaker 4: just be kind of stay focused, stay calm, stay relaxed
[26:36] Speaker 4: and shut out all this noise, this crazy noise that's
[26:39] Speaker 4: going on around them.
[26:40] Speaker 1: But when you're on the outside, the noise is fun.
[26:42] Speaker 1: And that's what's worth talking about here. Nothing like Australia
[26:45] Speaker 1: versus the US, nothing like essentially a comeback story in
[26:48] Speaker 1: both directions here that always adds something special to fight night,
[26:52] Speaker 1: doesn't it.
[26:54] Speaker 4: It does, Paul definitely. And you know, both fellas want
[26:58] Speaker 4: to make a statement. Both fellas are kind of a
[27:00] Speaker 4: bit of a renaissance that they want to have a
[27:02] Speaker 4: renaissance in their career, a bit of a bit of
[27:04] Speaker 4: a revitalization. And you know, both lads want to make
[27:07] Speaker 4: a statement by being victorious. And there's a bit of
[27:09] Speaker 4: bad blood here and they don't really have a lot
[27:12] Speaker 4: of love for each other.
[27:13] Speaker 5: There's no love lost.
[27:14] Speaker 4: And so again that's what makes it even better because
[27:17] Speaker 4: people want to see these two guys. Look, they're not
[27:20] Speaker 4: playing tennis, they're not playing softball. These guys are punching on.
[27:23] Speaker 4: Boxing is a sport, but it's also it's a tough
[27:26] Speaker 4: sport and it's it's it's combat sport and it can
[27:29] Speaker 4: be violent.
[27:30] Speaker 5: And so that's that's another.
[27:32] Speaker 4: Reason why the nerves are there, because these folks stand
[27:35] Speaker 4: the chance of being knocked unconscious in front of thousands
[27:39] Speaker 4: of thousands of people watching around the around the country,
[27:41] Speaker 4: at the venue, around the globe, around the world, millions
[27:44] Speaker 4: possibly watching. So you know, there's a lot of steak.
[27:47] Speaker 4: And don't forget that as far as we all have
[27:50] Speaker 4: a big ego people want to say that I have ego.
[27:52] Speaker 4: That's not true.
[27:54] Speaker 5: We have ego.
[27:54] Speaker 4: We think we think we're better than you, we think
[27:56] Speaker 4: we can beat you. And this guy's that's facing us,
[28:00] Speaker 4: that's going to try and knock me out. They're a beast,
[28:02] Speaker 4: they're an animal, they're a trained professional fighter. But I
[28:05] Speaker 4: think I can beat you because part of that's my ego.
[28:08] Speaker 4: And so, yeah, both these days have got big egos
[28:10] Speaker 4: and that's what most athletes have. That's why, sorry, halthletes
[28:13] Speaker 4: you get to a high level have a big ego
[28:15] Speaker 4: because they have to back it up. And it's not
[28:17] Speaker 4: an arrogance. It's just they have this this thing in
[28:21] Speaker 4: them that makes them want to achieve that competitiveness strives
[28:23] Speaker 4: that ego, and so there's a lot of steak for
[28:26] Speaker 4: both thllows.
[28:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, the self belief, the confidence, all of what it means. Absolutely,
[28:29] Speaker 1: it's why it's not just what we see on the screen,
[28:32] Speaker 1: it's what we feel to be able to be their
[28:34] Speaker 1: live obviously after pay at Homebush or obviously being able
[28:38] Speaker 1: to watch it on main event and KO give me
[28:41] Speaker 1: the prediction. Obviously we'd love it to be. Tim. Let's
[28:44] Speaker 1: let's make it entertaining and go a few, But what's
[28:46] Speaker 1: your expectation.
[28:50] Speaker 4: Look, poor, I come from a landown under mate. I'm
[28:52] Speaker 4: always going to back the Australian and I think Tim
[28:55] Speaker 4: Zoo can be victorious in this fight if he he
[28:58] Speaker 4: tests er expends early, because now the game for a
[29:00] Speaker 4: long time. If he tests Eryl early and stays calm
[29:06] Speaker 4: and stays composed. I think Tim's younger than Eryl. I
[29:09] Speaker 4: think he's about five or six years younger, and he's
[29:11] Speaker 4: been a lot more active of late, and so I
[29:14] Speaker 4: think that will be the determining factor. And that hunger
[29:16] Speaker 4: and hometown advantage. I think it all sways in tim
[29:19] Speaker 4: Zoo's favor and I'm looking to see Tim Zoo be victorious.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Danny. I'm a huge fan and it's a great thrill
[29:24] Speaker 1: to be able to talk to you mate, all of
[29:25] Speaker 1: us for the coverage of the build up. It's going
[29:27] Speaker 1: to be magnificent. Enjoy your night in Sydney, mate, appreciate it.
[29:32] Speaker 5: Paul, Thanks Hammy on Champion.
[29:33] Speaker 1: God love you. How good is he none other than
[29:35] Speaker 1: Danny Green? Now you can order this fight, which is
[29:37] Speaker 1: up on Sunday great undercard as well. You can do
[29:41] Speaker 1: it through the main event website. Madevent dot com dot Au.
[29:44] Speaker 1: If you've got the ability to order through your Foxtel box,
[29:47] Speaker 1: you do that. If you are on KO, you're able
[29:49] Speaker 1: to go through there and to find it in the
[29:51] Speaker 1: events as well. You've got to get this fight. You've
[29:54] Speaker 1: got to pay full freight because it is going to
[29:56] Speaker 1: be one to remember. It's going to be Tim Zuo
[29:58] Speaker 1: starting at eleven am on Sunday, which works out as
[30:01] Speaker 1: prime time in the United States. Quick break back with
[30:04] Speaker 1: more here on Paulmarray Live, where the fight's always going
[30:06] Speaker 1: on right Tuesdays, well fat night. Well, of course it
[30:14] Speaker 1: might be Sunday when it comes to the boxing. But
[30:16] Speaker 1: the pugilism of discussion is what we'll get involved with
[30:20] Speaker 1: right now. Carlos Corremba, remember the Upper House with one
[30:22] Speaker 1: nation in South Australia, Linda Squad is labor to a bootstraps,
[30:25] Speaker 1: so much so she's off to national conference. Oh let's
[30:28] Speaker 1: vote on this and vote on that. We'll talk about
[30:30] Speaker 1: that in a moment or two. But I want to
[30:32] Speaker 1: again on this day where I'm dangerously telling everyone what
[30:34] Speaker 1: they already know. That if the lead story is a
[30:36] Speaker 1: man yells at his dog, not even man bites dog
[30:39] Speaker 1: man yells at dog was lead story tonight. There's other
[30:43] Speaker 1: stuff to get to and we get a bit of
[30:44] Speaker 1: breathing space, which means another opinion poll around today, this
[30:47] Speaker 1: being from the s SEC Newgate Organization Mood of the
[30:52] Speaker 1: Nations survey up to two thousand people. I mention these
[30:55] Speaker 1: numbers because about fifteen hundred is considered good enough to
[30:58] Speaker 1: do a legit national It's what newspol YouGov all the
[31:02] Speaker 1: rest is based on. And seventy percent of people think
[31:05] Speaker 1: the country's head in the wrong direction. Six in ten
[31:08] Speaker 1: believe immigration levels are too high. All fascinating here, right, Linda,
[31:15] Speaker 1: pessimism right now. Obviously it is something that can eventually
[31:20] Speaker 1: absolutely kill a government, push a country in the different direction. Obviously,
[31:25] Speaker 1: that's seventy percent. All different people of different stripes might
[31:28] Speaker 1: be sort of uber lefties who are annoyed with the
[31:30] Speaker 1: direction of the country because it ain't in their one
[31:32] Speaker 1: and people everywhere else. But what does that number say
[31:36] Speaker 1: to you and about the challenge for it. I'm not
[31:38] Speaker 1: even getting into the elbow of it. Anyone with access
[31:41] Speaker 1: to power. If seven out of ten think the join
[31:44] Speaker 1: eight and the place it should be, yeah.
[31:45] Speaker 8: I mean, look, I think if you look around the world,
[31:47] Speaker 8: this is actually a really consistent finding, isn't it. You know,
[31:52] Speaker 8: they've just rolled a prime minister over in the UK,
[31:56] Speaker 8: They've just had this incredible shift in the Middle East
[32:00] Speaker 8: that's been going on for some time now.
[32:02] Speaker 7: But the bombing in Iran, you know, the straight up
[32:04] Speaker 7: will moves. These are major world changes.
[32:07] Speaker 8: We're not in a kind of short term history bump
[32:10] Speaker 8: where we all watch the news a bit more.
[32:12] Speaker 7: This is major shift.
[32:14] Speaker 8: And regime change tried across the world, and that makes
[32:16] Speaker 8: people nervous and uncomfortable.
[32:19] Speaker 7: So I don't think these figures are surprising.
[32:21] Speaker 8: I don't think they're different from most other certainly developed
[32:25] Speaker 8: countries around the world. The question for the government, and
[32:28] Speaker 8: obviously that's the labor government now, is how are you
[32:31] Speaker 8: going to respond to that?
[32:32] Speaker 7: What are you going to do about it? And you know,
[32:34] Speaker 7: you and.
[32:34] Speaker 8: I am sure Paul, and I'm sure Carlos and I
[32:36] Speaker 8: will totally disagree about what the federal government did in
[32:41] Speaker 8: the budget. But I think it was a good call
[32:44] Speaker 8: to make some dramatic changes because people are feeling the
[32:47] Speaker 8: pressures of cost of living. We do need to deliver
[32:49] Speaker 8: more affordable housing. We do need to deliver a change
[32:53] Speaker 8: that people can feel and see.
[32:55] Speaker 7: And that's why we.
[32:56] Speaker 8: Had a budget that was different from the other labor
[32:59] Speaker 8: budgets that had been really bitter, and I think that
[33:01] Speaker 8: was a really positive thing.
[33:02] Speaker 7: But it's not going to end. I mean, we're obviously.
[33:05] Speaker 8: We're having a big labor conference this week. We're going
[33:07] Speaker 8: to fight it out and develop the new policy. But
[33:11] Speaker 8: I don't think this is different from the rest of
[33:13] Speaker 8: the world, Carlos.
[33:14] Speaker 1: I think what's really important here too, is that is
[33:16] Speaker 1: that it should be a moment of pause for people
[33:18] Speaker 1: that so many people are not feeling. I mean, again,
[33:21] Speaker 1: life expectancy longer than ever before. You know, nobody's worrying.
[33:24] Speaker 1: This is I mean, not too many people worry about
[33:26] Speaker 1: food and shelter and all of those things. But in
[33:28] Speaker 1: terms of you know, halfway through the twenty sixth year
[33:32] Speaker 1: of the twenty first century is a whole lot different
[33:34] Speaker 1: than one hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, or
[33:36] Speaker 1: you know, a thousand years ago. So do you feel, Okay,
[33:40] Speaker 1: it's one thing to point at the problem, but do
[33:42] Speaker 1: you feel the responsibility as a person literally elected to
[33:45] Speaker 1: a parliament to get to the solution as fast as
[33:48] Speaker 1: possible on this stuff.
[33:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, I think it is important.
[33:53] Speaker 2: That's part of the reason I've been traveling around the
[33:55] Speaker 2: regions and asking people, and they are very pessimistic. They
[34:00] Speaker 2: see the country changing.
[34:01] Speaker 5: And not for the better. And I think one gentleman
[34:03] Speaker 5: said to me, if.
[34:04] Speaker 2: The government keep taking the jam out of my day,
[34:06] Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep getting upset And look, these
[34:09] Speaker 2: things are going to keep happening until we actually course correct.
[34:12] Speaker 2: But I tell everybody that I speak, don't worry.
[34:14] Speaker 5: The cavalry is coming.
[34:15] Speaker 2: There is an orange wave making its way around the country,
[34:18] Speaker 2: and we're going to make things right again, and we're
[34:20] Speaker 2: going to put the Aussie back into Australia.
[34:22] Speaker 1: There's plenty of concern though about this orange wave. I mean,
[34:24] Speaker 1: it's a tsunami of fear. I mean you saw Monique Ryan.
[34:28] Speaker 1: I mean the idea of saying that somebody who is
[34:31] Speaker 1: illegally in the country probably should leave the country. Oh,
[34:34] Speaker 1: it's something that just maybe hardens her heart. Again, we
[34:38] Speaker 1: saw at this conversation and again some attempt today to
[34:41] Speaker 1: re scandalize this issue. Again, no one is suggesting Aussie
[34:45] Speaker 1: ice literally sort of the troops randomly going to whatever
[34:48] Speaker 1: the Australian version of Home Deeper, which of course is
[34:50] Speaker 1: the Bunnings the Bunnings Cup. Again, none of the issues
[34:53] Speaker 1: are the same. No, the examples of the same, none
[34:55] Speaker 1: of the border crossing is the same, none of the
[34:57] Speaker 1: cheap labor is the same. Come on right, Yet the
[35:02] Speaker 1: apparent controversy is a political leader who says, if you
[35:05] Speaker 1: hear illegally, you can leave. What's wrong with our colors?
[35:09] Speaker 1: I'm not it's not coming into my entray What the
[35:12] Speaker 1: problem with this is?
[35:15] Speaker 2: No, And you're right, Paul, there is nothing wrong with that.
[35:17] Speaker 2: If you're in this country illegally, you've broken the law.
[35:21] Speaker 2: You need to go end a story and there's nothing
[35:23] Speaker 2: wrong with that. And I just think the fact that
[35:25] Speaker 2: we're actually making a big deal about this, it's just insane.
[35:28] Speaker 5: But this is the left. This is how they think.
[35:30] Speaker 2: You know anything that's one nation, anything, it's orange, you know, bad, bad, bad,
[35:34] Speaker 2: But you know, once again illegal, Gone see you later
[35:37] Speaker 2: and you'd be lucky to come back.
[35:39] Speaker 1: What's the problem with it, Linda, I don't understand the outrage.
[35:43] Speaker 1: Isn't it the policy of the government that if you
[35:45] Speaker 1: hear illegally you eventually get.
[35:46] Speaker 8: Booted I mean, one nation's announcing new policies daily, Paul,
[35:51] Speaker 8: and then you know, the next day, when there's a
[35:52] Speaker 8: bit of an outrage, their leader, paul In Hanson comes
[35:55] Speaker 8: out and backsweeps and says.
[35:57] Speaker 7: You know, black is white.
[35:58] Speaker 8: So I mean, to be honest, I'll wait till tomorrow
[36:02] Speaker 8: and see what one nation stands for, because it probably
[36:06] Speaker 8: won't be the same as what they're saying today. I'll
[36:08] Speaker 8: wait till next week they'll have seven that they'll backsleep on.
[36:13] Speaker 8: I mean, we've got to have a robust and orderly
[36:15] Speaker 8: migration system and I don't think there's ever been any.
[36:19] Speaker 7: Disagreement about that.
[36:20] Speaker 8: So I mean, I'm unclear about why there is an issue.
[36:26] Speaker 8: But let me say this, I agree Paul with you
[36:31] Speaker 8: that there are so many differences between Australia and America,
[36:35] Speaker 8: and yet it makes me question why again, one nation
[36:39] Speaker 8: and Pauline Hanson continue to try and import the political
[36:42] Speaker 8: issues She's off in Europe speaking to seven people in
[36:47] Speaker 8: a dark.
[36:49] Speaker 7: A bit abortion and she's and she's.
[36:52] Speaker 8: Regurgitating issues that are directly from the mouths of far
[36:57] Speaker 8: right leaders in Europe and the US. That to me
[37:00] Speaker 8: is surprising because Australia is different from anywhere else in
[37:03] Speaker 8: the world. We're proud to be Australian. We're proud to
[37:06] Speaker 8: have things like Medicare. We're proud to have good, robust
[37:10] Speaker 8: systems of government.
[37:11] Speaker 7: That works that people trust. We have compulsory voting, we
[37:14] Speaker 7: have all these different things. The policies of.
[37:17] Speaker 8: The far right from all over the world, they just
[37:20] Speaker 8: don't work here. And why does Pauline Hanson and One
[37:23] Speaker 8: Nation keep trying to import these divisive arguments from all
[37:28] Speaker 8: over the world.
[37:29] Speaker 7: Australians are just sick of it. They are so sick
[37:31] Speaker 7: of it.
[37:32] Speaker 8: They just want to get on with their lives, have
[37:33] Speaker 8: a government that focuses on them and what they need,
[37:37] Speaker 8: not importing ideas from other places.
[37:39] Speaker 1: Carlos I love this. Basically, if it ends in a why,
[37:41] Speaker 1: and you suggest the day that ends in a why,
[37:44] Speaker 1: then you're trying to be Trump.
[37:47] Speaker 2: It's insane that Linda can sit there and say that
[37:50] Speaker 2: a rule of law is something we shouldn't follow regardless
[37:53] Speaker 2: of what country is doing it. We should have rules here.
[37:56] Speaker 2: We do have immigration rules. You've broken the law, you're gone.
[38:00] Speaker 2: I can't understand how that Isle.
[38:02] Speaker 7: Who's arguing with you about.
[38:04] Speaker 2: That common Linda, this is common sense stuff, but you're
[38:08] Speaker 2: making it about what other countries are doing.
[38:10] Speaker 5: Illegal is illegal. End of story, broken laws. See you later.
[38:13] Speaker 1: All right, now AOP conference, you're on your way, Linda. Basically,
[38:17] Speaker 1: it's already all stitched up. It's a whole series of speeches. Yeah.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Fun is this sort of you know, the family get together?
[38:24] Speaker 1: Is this where we pretend to have a fight but
[38:26] Speaker 1: nothing actually challenges the status quo.
[38:28] Speaker 8: I mean, as you know, we love the Labor Party
[38:30] Speaker 8: and it is like a family, you know, and therefore
[38:34] Speaker 8: it is the case that it'll be an incredible gathering
[38:37] Speaker 8: of people right across.
[38:38] Speaker 7: The country trying to make a better future for Australia.
[38:41] Speaker 8: But actually the policies debated really matter because you know,
[38:44] Speaker 8: they determine the policies of the government, and therefore they're
[38:48] Speaker 8: really significant.
[38:50] Speaker 1: You're a going to stand there and just clap the
[38:51] Speaker 1: Prime Minister announcing what you already know he believes.
[38:54] Speaker 8: I'm going to clap the Prime Minister because I think
[38:55] Speaker 8: he's doing a great job. But we'll, like we do
[39:00] Speaker 8: every single conference, get in there and have some pretty
[39:03] Speaker 8: robust debates about a wide range of issues. And I
[39:06] Speaker 8: think that's the right thing to do. We do it transparently.
[39:09] Speaker 8: We do it with all the media in the room.
[39:11] Speaker 8: We have our bus stops in public.
[39:13] Speaker 11: I hope one nation a public conference to Carlos, our
[39:19] Speaker 11: branch chap before ado, our branch members select our candidates. Carlos,
[39:24] Speaker 11: I can't wait.
[39:25] Speaker 8: To see your pre selections and hope that they're democratic
[39:28] Speaker 8: into the future.
[39:31] Speaker 1: Lord, I've done.
[39:33] Speaker 5: How you say we're far right?
[39:34] Speaker 1: Come on a thank you guys.
[39:36] Speaker 7: Are you far left then, Carlos, what are you?
[39:38] Speaker 1: They're not far.
[39:41] Speaker 5: Left?
[39:42] Speaker 1: All right?
[39:42] Speaker 5: The need little far left, we need the opposite.
[39:44] Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys. We're gonna have a chat
[39:47] Speaker 1: bitchual next about everything to do with the Victorian election.
[39:50] Speaker 1: I hope it is one of many to come. Thanks
[39:52] Speaker 1: for Watchington. I'm so thrilled, so excited to be able
[40:00] Speaker 1: to talk to an absolute legend of Australian media, particularly
[40:04] Speaker 1: of course focusing around Melbourne and Victoria. His podcast will
[40:08] Speaker 1: get to that in the moment or two's time. But
[40:09] Speaker 1: it's a chance to talk to the great Neil Mitchell,
[40:11] Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer. So much to talk about, including
[40:14] Speaker 1: in your beautiful home state of Victoria. Well, what's it
[40:17] Speaker 1: like to sleep in after a few years now and
[40:19] Speaker 1: to be able to focus on the long form interview
[40:21] Speaker 1: with no one telling you the traffic's coming up in
[40:23] Speaker 1: two minutes. Yeah, I enjoy the.
[40:25] Speaker 9: Long form interview, that's for sure. And you get quite
[40:27] Speaker 9: a different reactions. Amazing how the politicians tend to relax
[40:31] Speaker 9: and telling you more things than they would in that
[40:33] Speaker 9: sort of jam ten minutes on radio. But I'll tell
[40:36] Speaker 9: you what sleeping in is good. I mean, you you've
[40:38] Speaker 9: done it. You know how hard it is getting up.
[40:40] Speaker 1: Early correct to no success whatsoever. But of course the
[40:44] Speaker 1: success keeps you going in those early warnings. Let's talk
[40:47] Speaker 1: about a couple of things. The case about Big Bill
[40:51] Speaker 1: corruption is so clear, so obvious, and the way that
[40:56] Speaker 1: labor have generally been able to succeed in Victoria is
[40:59] Speaker 1: trying to keep things to Oh that's a Herald Sun issue,
[41:02] Speaker 1: that's a three A W issue. But now it's broken
[41:05] Speaker 1: out and we know it's in the age, we know
[41:07] Speaker 1: it's on sixty minutes, but more importantly it's in the pub.
[41:10] Speaker 1: Do you get that feeling that the attempt to silo
[41:13] Speaker 1: criticism has broken on this issue?
[41:16] Speaker 4: Oh?
[41:16] Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think there's any question about that. And
[41:18] Speaker 9: that's partly because the Age has been leading the way
[41:20] Speaker 9: on it and the herold Son's have been coming along behind.
[41:23] Speaker 9: But people it's got through. People now say this is
[41:27] Speaker 9: a corrupt government. They now doubt just Center's integrity, partly
[41:31] Speaker 9: because she's handled it pretty badly, I think, and digging
[41:34] Speaker 9: in over the Royal Commission is.
[41:35] Speaker 1: Part of it. And what you got to hide.
[41:38] Speaker 9: See, Dan Andrews was a certain type of political bully
[41:42] Speaker 9: and he could get away with it. Jasinda Ellen can't
[41:44] Speaker 9: do that, and she's not very convincing when she tries to.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Now, is she the type of person knowing you as
[41:50] Speaker 1: knowing her as best as you can? Is she the
[41:52] Speaker 1: type of person who comes up with the idea of, well,
[41:55] Speaker 1: it's inflation not corruption? Or is it the collection of
[42:00] Speaker 1: people around the OsO smarty pants here? How much of
[42:04] Speaker 1: this is bad advice versus the bad performer.
[42:08] Speaker 9: She's been around a long time. She's been around in
[42:10] Speaker 9: Parliament since she was a kid. She's been around so long.
[42:12] Speaker 9: She used to talk to me once upon a time,
[42:14] Speaker 9: and she's quite a good communicator too, but she's lost
[42:18] Speaker 9: that and she's trying to be Andrews, and she can't be.
[42:20] Speaker 9: I don't know where those lines come from, but they're hollow.
[42:24] Speaker 9: They're more damaging than constructive, and she has responsibility for them.
[42:28] Speaker 9: They're coming out of her mouth whoever writes them. She
[42:31] Speaker 9: is down on good advice at the moment, I think,
[42:34] Speaker 9: but she should be smarter than that. She really should.
[42:38] Speaker 1: So when I had the opportunity to talk to Jess
[42:41] Speaker 1: Wilson and I did before she ented Parliament, and to
[42:43] Speaker 1: see how far she's come in her presentation and her swagger,
[42:46] Speaker 1: pretty amazing that the confidence she looks like that opposition
[42:50] Speaker 1: leader who is actually on a path to victory. We
[42:54] Speaker 1: all know the difference between somebody who's in the fight
[42:56] Speaker 1: versus someone who thinks they're going to win it at
[42:59] Speaker 1: the end of the day. Though, first two MP in
[43:02] Speaker 1: her mid thirties, do you think that people that she's
[43:06] Speaker 1: a little bit like you know, dare I say, you know,
[43:08] Speaker 1: like the moon where the only reason you see it
[43:10] Speaker 1: is because of the sun of outrage that comes from
[43:13] Speaker 1: the government. Or is she impressing her on her own
[43:16] Speaker 1: two feet?
[43:18] Speaker 9: Well, I'm a bit of both. And don't forget that
[43:20] Speaker 9: an empty chair is doing better than both of them. Really,
[43:23] Speaker 9: if you look at the polling figures and One Nation
[43:26] Speaker 9: hasn't got a leader, hasn't got candidates. They've got one
[43:28] Speaker 9: member in the Upper House who we haven't heard from
[43:30] Speaker 9: four years. Yet One Nation outpoles both of them. Jess
[43:34] Speaker 9: Wilson should be miles in front now. Her personal popularity
[43:37] Speaker 9: is plus ten percent. Just seemed to remind as forty
[43:40] Speaker 9: two percent, So in personal terms, she's well out in
[43:44] Speaker 9: the head as preferred premiere. But I can't quite see
[43:48] Speaker 9: why she hasn't hasn't got the party in an unbeatable position.
[43:51] Speaker 9: This is a shocking government. I don't think I've seen
[43:54] Speaker 9: quite as bad as this. It's a shocking government, and
[43:59] Speaker 9: Jess Wilson should streets in front. One Nation has confused it.
[44:03] Speaker 9: I think she needs to relax, She needs to be
[44:05] Speaker 9: more human. She needs to bring out some of her
[44:07] Speaker 9: backbench and let them do the attack dog work and
[44:10] Speaker 9: the heavy lifting.
[44:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the empty chair of One Nation right now.
[44:14] Speaker 1: I'm obviously a lot more One Nation curious than many
[44:17] Speaker 1: in the media. I get why people like it. I
[44:19] Speaker 1: understand what it is that they're trying to do, but
[44:22] Speaker 1: I don't quite believe the numbers out of Victoria right.
[44:25] Speaker 1: I think that something is definitely going to happen the
[44:27] Speaker 1: further you get away from Melbourne, and that's again that
[44:29] Speaker 1: transfer of some outer you know, in some of the
[44:34] Speaker 1: regional places where Labour's got some strength. Obviously the great
[44:37] Speaker 1: hope would be to defeat the premiere. I think they're
[44:40] Speaker 1: obviously going to win seats, are obviously going to do
[44:42] Speaker 1: well in the Upper House. But to me, just as
[44:44] Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a polling blip, say
[44:47] Speaker 1: six months out from the last Victorian state election, there's
[44:50] Speaker 1: a big sort of none of the above factor, and
[44:53] Speaker 1: then the inevitability of the Labor campaign is just going
[44:55] Speaker 1: to be to point at the Libs, to point at
[44:57] Speaker 1: one Nation and say can you trust these people? Imagine
[44:59] Speaker 1: this person in charge, that person in charge, Hanson Hanson,
[45:01] Speaker 1: Hanson Hanson. So I think that there is a scare
[45:04] Speaker 1: campaign that is going to have some success. So I
[45:06] Speaker 1: still think it's going to end up as the Libs
[45:09] Speaker 1: well intouly in front of one Nation. But how much
[45:12] Speaker 1: is none of the above in that empty seat vote,
[45:14] Speaker 1: do you think?
[45:15] Speaker 9: Well, like I agree with you, I think Libs will
[45:17] Speaker 9: head ahead of one nation. One nation has a history
[45:20] Speaker 9: of being dysfunctional at critical times like this, and it
[45:23] Speaker 9: depends who their leader is, it depends where their candidates
[45:26] Speaker 9: are and the media. You're quite right, they'll go after
[45:29] Speaker 9: them in the way they're going after Hanson at the moment. Now,
[45:31] Speaker 9: whether that resonates with the publics another matter. But if
[45:34] Speaker 9: you look back, so there was a werribe by election
[45:36] Speaker 9: here someone well Wells before the one Nation surge and
[45:41] Speaker 9: City Minister Tim Palace was going the Libs should have
[45:44] Speaker 9: walked it in, but they didn't. Labor was returned. They
[45:47] Speaker 9: lost a huge vote, huge percentage of the vote, but
[45:50] Speaker 9: the preferences still went to Labor. And this is what
[45:53] Speaker 9: we don't know. We know how much of the preferences
[45:55] Speaker 9: will they say we're voting one nation but Labor against
[45:58] Speaker 9: the preferences. We just don't know whether that'll go. I
[46:00] Speaker 9: would agree with you. My instinct says one Nation will
[46:03] Speaker 9: drop a bit on where they are at the moment,
[46:05] Speaker 9: and I think the Libs will sneak in. One Nation
[46:09] Speaker 9: will have probably ten seats in the Upper House, which
[46:11] Speaker 9: will give them the balance of power, and they'll probably
[46:13] Speaker 9: have enough in the lower House to have a pretty
[46:16] Speaker 9: loud voice as well.
[46:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent right before you go, Where do
[46:19] Speaker 1: people get the podcast? What are the last couple of
[46:21] Speaker 1: episodes been, and what happens into the future. Come on,
[46:24] Speaker 1: I'm the commercial animal. I'm here to plug plug plug
[46:26] Speaker 1: baby good.
[46:28] Speaker 9: I'm Mitchell Unlimited. As the podcast is on all the sites.
[46:30] Speaker 9: I've got my own YouTube channel. Interviewed minic Steve montaget
[46:34] Speaker 9: you last week. Steve Shane Elliott, the former head of
[46:37] Speaker 9: the CEO of the a Z. He hasn't done an interview.
[46:40] Speaker 9: He's on there this week. But what you'll enjoy I think,
[46:43] Speaker 9: I hope there's neater generational debate each week with my
[46:47] Speaker 9: millennial son. So I'm the burmer. He's a millennial. I
[46:50] Speaker 9: haven't one argument with him since he was three years old,
[46:53] Speaker 9: and I don't know I will hear, but I bringing a
[46:55] Speaker 9: lot of intergenerational tension. We're trying to bring it out
[46:57] Speaker 9: in a respectful way.
[46:58] Speaker 1: It's a great point. So I can be the umpire
[47:01] Speaker 1: watching it from home and I'll text you in what
[47:03] Speaker 1: my thought is each and every week. Neil, You're an
[47:05] Speaker 1: absolute legend. I can't wait to talk to you, hopefully
[47:08] Speaker 1: many more times between now in the election. But again,
[47:10] Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Thanks Paul nice Man,
[47:13] Speaker 1: always good to hear his insights again that podcast, Go
[47:16] Speaker 1: and find it. I'll make sure I link it up
[47:18] Speaker 1: on all of our socials. Quick breakback with more than
[47:20] Speaker 1: speaking of the dumb videos politicians put out while you
[47:24] Speaker 1: were working. That's next. They're supposed to say, we have
[47:32] Speaker 1: saved the best to last. But this really is the
[47:34] Speaker 1: worst of our politics, isn't it. Of course, while you
[47:37] Speaker 1: have been working, sadly earning money to give the government,
[47:41] Speaker 1: they take up so much of our money to close
[47:45] Speaker 1: the circle from where I started, including making bad social
[47:49] Speaker 1: media videos like this Labor Senator.
[47:53] Speaker 7: Okay, let's do it.
[47:57] Speaker 8: I'm Ellie Whittaker and I'm a Senator for Western Australia,
[48:01] Speaker 8: the best state in the country. My most used emoji
[48:04] Speaker 8: at the moment is the melty face?
[48:08] Speaker 3: Is that what?
[48:09] Speaker 5: It's gold?
[48:13] Speaker 1: The suple most exciting thing about politics me another effort
[48:18] Speaker 1: from the Labor Party.
[48:31] Speaker 11: Fifty thousand Key workers have now bought their first home.
[48:35] Speaker 1: What an engaging social media video. See if this makes
[48:39] Speaker 1: the TV show any better? So I'm doing it. Life
[48:40] Speaker 1: a game just got a pin No. But speaking of
[48:45] Speaker 1: the senator that we showed you before, for.
[48:48] Speaker 7: The pressure is on, the pressure is on, or Dockers, Well, obviously.
[48:54] Speaker 1: It's the cats are gone.
[48:57] Speaker 2: Well I think I'll go because that is the correct answer,
[49:02] Speaker 2: because well I've lost too many games at the hands
[49:05] Speaker 2: of the Eagles.
[49:07] Speaker 1: That's a chef from not We'll see you again tomorrow,
[49:09] Speaker 1: where our special guest is none other than the Great
[49:10] Speaker 1: Megan Killing

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