# Paul Murray Live | 5 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 5 Mar 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/efc9d48e-5a96-47ea-b87c-b40400b9e9ea/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Day six of the war and Iran is fading, the first Australians arrived home last night. Plus, calls for an inquiry into boys' education. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Hello, thank you so much for joining us this Thursday night,
[0:09] Speaker 2: the end of our week. But there is an awful
[0:10] Speaker 2: lot to get to tonight. I feel like we could
[0:13] Speaker 2: fill multiple hours this week, not just with what's happening overseas,
[0:16] Speaker 2: but of course what is happening in the greatest country
[0:18] Speaker 2: of all the one that we love above all others,
[0:20] Speaker 2: and I mean all others, Australia. Now there is some
[0:24] Speaker 2: indication that Iran is starting to weaken.
[0:27] Speaker 1: There's detail on this. I'll explain what I mean in
[0:30] Speaker 1: a moment or two's time.
[0:32] Speaker 2: The starter's gun has begun for the upcoming by election
[0:36] Speaker 2: to replace Susan Lee in the Federal Parliament. It is
[0:38] Speaker 2: the seat of Farah. At the absolute south of it
[0:41] Speaker 2: is Aubrey on the Nisia's Victorian border. It extends quite
[0:45] Speaker 2: a distance up. This is going to be a four
[0:47] Speaker 2: way tussle between the Libs, the NATS, one Nation and
[0:51] Speaker 2: a Tiffany Teal climate two hundred already deep in the
[0:54] Speaker 2: game and this weekend for US motorsport fans like Bath
[1:00] Speaker 2: this bathtist ride and then there's a bit of daylight.
[1:02] Speaker 2: But the Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne, huge crowds on
[1:06] Speaker 2: a day where there was like not much of Formula one,
[1:08] Speaker 2: but there was a bit of supercars and a lot
[1:10] Speaker 2: of other fun stuff. So I look forward to being
[1:12] Speaker 2: track site this weekend. Come up and say get a Now,
[1:16] Speaker 2: three things we're telling you about the war are because
[1:19] Speaker 2: you already know by now many hours older, the news
[1:22] Speaker 2: about things like the submarines. We woke up to all
[1:25] Speaker 2: of that this morning. But there is an interesting piece
[1:28] Speaker 2: of information that came out during the day. This hasn't
[1:31] Speaker 2: happened in the past ten minutes. I won't pretend that's
[1:33] Speaker 2: the case, which is that despite the fact that Iran,
[1:37] Speaker 2: which as we know, has been using not just missiles
[1:40] Speaker 2: but also drones to flood the zone to try to
[1:44] Speaker 2: overpower the one for one systems that are about knocking
[1:48] Speaker 2: out missiles, and as we spoke about last night.
[1:52] Speaker 1: As we've talked about all week, actually how the.
[1:54] Speaker 2: Change of warfare has happened in and around drones and
[1:57] Speaker 2: how things like Australian laser technology talked about that last night.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Didn't we about how that is shooting drones out of
[2:03] Speaker 2: the sky. Well, the Sun newspaper in the United Kingdom
[2:07] Speaker 2: has been reporting that Iran is trying to show off
[2:10] Speaker 2: just how much it's got lyft, just how much it's
[2:13] Speaker 2: got left. But as you can see, the Jerusalem Post
[2:17] Speaker 2: is quoting American officials who are now saying.
[2:19] Speaker 1: That Israel's sorry that Israel that a runs drones.
[2:24] Speaker 2: The number of them that are taking to the sky,
[2:26] Speaker 2: the number of them that are hitting their targets, well,
[2:29] Speaker 2: it is starting to fall. In fact, as you see,
[2:32] Speaker 2: the claim is that they are down eighty six percent.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Here is the US officials making that claim a bit
[2:37] Speaker 2: earlier today.
[2:39] Speaker 3: Iran's theater ballistic missile shots fired are down eighty six
[2:44] Speaker 3: percent from the first day of fighting, with a twenty
[2:48] Speaker 3: three percent decrease just in the last twenty four hours,
[2:51] Speaker 3: and they're one way attack. Drone shots are down seventy
[2:55] Speaker 3: three percent from the opening days. We will now begin
[2:59] Speaker 3: to expel banned inland, striking progressively deeper into Iranian territory
[3:05] Speaker 3: and creating additional freedom of maneuver for US forces.
[3:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, you're starting to notice in all of this that
[3:12] Speaker 2: America is well and truly enjoining the arm wrestle here
[3:18] Speaker 2: and are starting to get on top of things.
[3:22] Speaker 1: At the moment.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Again, if Iran is running out of the sorts of
[3:27] Speaker 2: things that have caused such havoc over the past few
[3:30] Speaker 2: days and we're at day six, of course, now, well
[3:33] Speaker 2: that's going to be good. And that also means, as
[3:36] Speaker 2: you just hear from the Americans, their capacity to not
[3:38] Speaker 2: quite worry about what's coming back from Iran.
[3:40] Speaker 1: Again, it ain't over, It ain't over, but.
[3:42] Speaker 2: The early indications are that what the success has been
[3:47] Speaker 2: of trying to resist is starting to fade. By the way,
[3:50] Speaker 2: there is a US oil tanker that is apparently on
[3:53] Speaker 2: fire as we speak, the claim being that it.
[3:55] Speaker 1: Had been intercepted by an Iranian drone.
[3:57] Speaker 2: More of course, with Pete in the morning, night long,
[4:00] Speaker 2: it's gone news dot com, dot au number two. Ground
[4:03] Speaker 2: troops are on their way, not American, not American, but
[4:07] Speaker 2: most likely Kurdish troops. Now this has sort of come
[4:10] Speaker 2: and gone throughout the day about whether they're in there
[4:12] Speaker 2: or whether they're about to be in there. The Guardian
[4:16] Speaker 2: was suggesting that the US is reportedly ready to provide support,
[4:19] Speaker 2: which means guns to Kurdish fighters to physically go into Iran.
[4:25] Speaker 2: Our own website has said that Kurdish fighters have beginning
[4:28] Speaker 2: to storm the border and launch a ground incursion into Iran.
[4:33] Speaker 2: Thousands of Kurdish fighters have moved into Iranian territory, opening
[4:37] Speaker 2: a new front as the conflict in the Middle East intensifiers,
[4:40] Speaker 2: and official from the Coalition of Political Forces of Iranian
[4:45] Speaker 2: Kurdistan easy title or just rolls off the tongue, doesn't
[4:49] Speaker 2: it has claimed that the operations began midnight a couple
[4:52] Speaker 2: of days ago. The fighters are said to be affiliated
[4:54] Speaker 2: with the Kurdistan Free Life Party known as the PJAK,
[5:01] Speaker 2: and are based across the border in Iraq. Of course,
[5:03] Speaker 2: Iraq and Iran having previous tensions in the past, Kurdish
[5:08] Speaker 2: factions widely viewed as among the most organized elements of
[5:12] Speaker 2: part of the Iranian fragmented opposition. Many of their fighters
[5:16] Speaker 2: gained experience fighting is in both Iraq and in Syria.
[5:20] Speaker 2: The New York Times has added to this reporting again
[5:23] Speaker 2: that there's just this back and forth about whether they're in.
[5:27] Speaker 2: But the expectation is that they are about to go in,
[5:29] Speaker 2: and of course that means they may well already be there,
[5:32] Speaker 2: but no one's willing to confirm. So that's why there's
[5:35] Speaker 2: a little bit of haze here, but ground troops getting involved.
[5:38] Speaker 2: The CIA had previously given small arms to the Iranian
[5:41] Speaker 2: Kurdish forces as part of a covert program to destabilize Iran,
[5:47] Speaker 2: an effort that began before the current war, according to
[5:49] Speaker 2: people familiar with the effort. In a briefing on Wednesday,
[5:52] Speaker 2: Caroline Levett, White House Press Secretary, reports that President Trump
[5:55] Speaker 2: had agreed to any plan for the Kurds to launch
[5:59] Speaker 2: an insurgency work quote completely false. Here is the lady
[6:02] Speaker 2: who speaks on behalf of the great man.
[6:05] Speaker 4: He did speak to Kurdish leaders with respect to our
[6:08] Speaker 4: base that we have in northern Iraq. But as for
[6:12] Speaker 4: any report suggesting that the President has agreed to any
[6:16] Speaker 4: such plan, is completely false and should not be ran.
[6:20] Speaker 1: And good news again.
[6:21] Speaker 2: There will be another flight that's making its way towards Australia.
[6:23] Speaker 2: There'll be more astrainiings that will come home over the weekend.
[6:26] Speaker 2: But as we were on the air last night, the
[6:28] Speaker 2: good news was coming clear that people have made it
[6:31] Speaker 2: out of the Middle East.
[6:32] Speaker 1: They have made it home. Here is just a taste of.
[6:35] Speaker 2: Those happy souls to be back in the greatest country
[6:37] Speaker 2: of all, the one that we love above all others.
[6:41] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it is absolutely good to be home.
[6:47] Speaker 6: Especially then actual first flight out of Dubais straight to
[6:50] Speaker 6: here was fantastic.
[6:51] Speaker 7: Safe, happy back to my family, Relieved.
[6:55] Speaker 6: I relieved it was a first flight back form and
[6:58] Speaker 6: we took our chances.
[6:59] Speaker 5: Play tennis tournament and Fajia yesterday at a drone hit
[7:03] Speaker 5: probably ten minutes from where we were playing, and the.
[7:06] Speaker 8: Oil factory was going up in smoke and we're right
[7:08] Speaker 8: next to it. So it's a bit scary.
[7:10] Speaker 1: Jeez, that is frightening.
[7:11] Speaker 2: As for the latest from the government, this is what
[7:12] Speaker 2: they are saying about the next few days before we
[7:15] Speaker 2: meet again on Sunday night.
[7:17] Speaker 7: We are deploying additional Foreign Affairs personnel to the region
[7:22] Speaker 7: to help with consiler requirements. That is, to help people.
[7:27] Speaker 7: We have twenty four thousand Australians in the UAE Aligne,
[7:31] Speaker 7: so the fastest way to get as many people home
[7:34] Speaker 7: as possible is for commercial fights to restart.
[7:39] Speaker 2: Now again, we will get into all of it with
[7:41] Speaker 2: great detail on Sunday night. Remember we got the show
[7:43] Speaker 2: on Sunday night. We get the jump on the opinion
[7:46] Speaker 2: of the week. That's when it really kicks in Sunday night.
[7:48] Speaker 2: At nine o'clock Eastern daylight time, but twenty four to
[7:51] Speaker 2: seven at sc news dot com dot Au and all
[7:53] Speaker 2: of our excellent news services morning, noon and night for
[7:56] Speaker 2: the latest information about what is happening on the other
[7:58] Speaker 2: side of the world that will effect the rest of
[8:01] Speaker 2: the world.
[8:02] Speaker 1: But now let's turn to what's happening here.
[8:05] Speaker 2: Attention has been there all week Angus Taylor's first week
[8:07] Speaker 2: as the leader of the opposition in the Parliament. How
[8:10] Speaker 2: have they been behaving, how have they been arming up
[8:13] Speaker 2: against each other. I've got to say I like that
[8:17] Speaker 2: Tim Wilson gets under Jim Chalmer's skin.
[8:20] Speaker 1: I love that they are being needled by this guy.
[8:23] Speaker 2: Again, I'm not a mass fan of the singing, but
[8:25] Speaker 2: still I like the fight that's happening there. But there
[8:28] Speaker 2: is an area, and there is a person who deserves
[8:29] Speaker 2: particular credit, and that is the shadow Education Minister, Julian Lisa,
[8:33] Speaker 2: because today he decided to try to return the conversation
[8:38] Speaker 2: to the excellent subject, that is the kid's not being
[8:41] Speaker 2: fantastic at school. And despite our love and despite all
[8:45] Speaker 2: of the technology and all of the so called extra
[8:48] Speaker 2: money that's gone in for a long time, there is
[8:51] Speaker 2: particularly a problem with boys education in Australia. Now, I'm
[8:55] Speaker 2: very bored of this idea that if you talk about
[8:57] Speaker 2: the problem with boys somehow you're excluding girls.
[8:59] Speaker 1: Well that's rubbish.
[9:00] Speaker 2: If there was evidence suggesting there was a problem with
[9:02] Speaker 2: girls education, I'd be making exactly the same point in reverse.
[9:06] Speaker 1: But how many years in a road do we have to.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Have the same pieces of data before anyone starts to
[9:13] Speaker 2: take real notice? Because of course, every Australian citizen, regardless
[9:18] Speaker 2: of sex, gender, ethnicity, deserves the best possible schooling system
[9:24] Speaker 2: that supports and is adaptive to their ability to get
[9:28] Speaker 2: the highest levels of education that they would like to
[9:30] Speaker 2: be able to inform their choices for the rest of
[9:32] Speaker 2: their life. Now I get it, the boys and girls
[9:35] Speaker 2: are different. Teenage boys and girls can be very different.
[9:39] Speaker 2: But previously Julian has said that there needs to be
[9:41] Speaker 2: an inquiring into the failings in and around boys' education,
[9:43] Speaker 2: and I think that's spot on. He also noticed a
[9:47] Speaker 2: little detail that many didn't in a report that was
[9:50] Speaker 2: released today by the Australian Bureau Statistics.
[9:52] Speaker 1: It's about schools.
[9:53] Speaker 2: It's about how many kids are at a private school,
[9:56] Speaker 2: a public school and independent school.
[9:59] Speaker 1: But then we get to this detail.
[10:01] Speaker 2: Eighty one percent of all students finish year twelve.
[10:06] Speaker 1: Great, right on.
[10:07] Speaker 2: The problem is that is grossly fiddled with by the
[10:10] Speaker 2: number of private school kids who finish year twelve seventy five.
[10:14] Speaker 2: Just seventy five percent of all public school students make
[10:19] Speaker 2: it to the end of year twelve. Twenty five percent disappear,
[10:24] Speaker 2: not just because they go off into a trade, but
[10:26] Speaker 2: maybe they give up, maybe they go and do something
[10:28] Speaker 2: else that's not about vocational skills. So the average is
[10:33] Speaker 2: being skewed by the private schools. What about this eighty
[10:37] Speaker 2: five percent higher than the average of all students, ten
[10:41] Speaker 2: points higher of than public school students are female students
[10:45] Speaker 2: that are making it all the way to the end
[10:47] Speaker 2: of year twelve. Great, awesome, good figuarus female. But you've
[10:52] Speaker 2: got a problem when seventy seven percent of all male students,
[10:56] Speaker 2: given the same opportunities the same education system, are not
[10:59] Speaker 2: following it all the way to the end of year twelve.
[11:01] Speaker 2: Now again, I'm not stupid enough to believe that the
[11:05] Speaker 2: only possible education and the only worthy education is to
[11:07] Speaker 2: make it to year twelve and then definitely go to UNI.
[11:10] Speaker 2: How long have I talked about the mistakes that have
[11:11] Speaker 2: been made over thirty years in this country of trying
[11:14] Speaker 2: to embarrass people who want to leave school at year
[11:18] Speaker 2: ten to go and get a trade, to go and
[11:19] Speaker 2: get a job. And the people who did that twenty
[11:22] Speaker 2: years ago are probably people that aren't working as hard
[11:26] Speaker 2: as they used to because they've got people working for them.
[11:29] Speaker 2: And if you are still working as hard as you
[11:31] Speaker 2: did twenty years ago, I get it. But you get
[11:33] Speaker 2: my point too that plenty of people who have made
[11:35] Speaker 2: it into the trades have done far better than the
[11:37] Speaker 2: people who went and focused on the arts or the
[11:39] Speaker 2: airy ferry or the arty party stuff of university. Here
[11:44] Speaker 2: is Julian Lisa making that point today about this gap
[11:50] Speaker 2: between boys and girls and how far they end up
[11:52] Speaker 2: going in school.
[11:53] Speaker 1: With my mate and colleague, Kieren.
[11:55] Speaker 9: Gilbert, there's an eight point difference, Karen, in the retention
[11:59] Speaker 9: rates of boys and girls. And we've been seeing this
[12:02] Speaker 9: occur for quite some time now. We've done wonders in
[12:05] Speaker 9: relation to the performance of our girls, and that should
[12:07] Speaker 9: be a cause of celebration. But this isn't a zero
[12:10] Speaker 9: sum game, and it's the reason why I've called on
[12:13] Speaker 9: Jason Claire to have an inquiry into boys' education. I
[12:16] Speaker 9: think it's probably that boys are responding differently to education,
[12:19] Speaker 9: to the education system, to girls. But we need to
[12:22] Speaker 9: really get under the bonnet and have a look at this.
[12:25] Speaker 2: And something just as concerning, in fact more concerning, is
[12:30] Speaker 2: despite all of the money, despite all of the efforts,
[12:32] Speaker 2: despite all of the community support, the number of kids
[12:37] Speaker 2: that are Indigenous kids in Australia that.
[12:39] Speaker 1: Are making it all the way to the end.
[12:40] Speaker 2: While those numbers are frightening to see number seventy five
[12:44] Speaker 2: percent of all public school students make it to year twelve,
[12:49] Speaker 2: kids in year seven and eight making it year twelve
[12:51] Speaker 2: who are Indigenous kids in Australia, it's not even sixty
[12:53] Speaker 2: percent those that are making it past year ten. Again,
[13:00] Speaker 2: less than sixty percent. The all student average, which is
[13:06] Speaker 2: grossly overrepresented by the female performance and the private school performance,
[13:10] Speaker 2: is at eighty one percent. Now at risk of seeming
[13:14] Speaker 2: a little twee, this is all about the next generation.
[13:18] Speaker 2: This is all about the next generation of workers and
[13:20] Speaker 2: citizens and parents. And for all of the conversation that
[13:25] Speaker 2: is constantly and endlessly about the importance of education, the
[13:28] Speaker 2: results get worse. Naplan, How often does that start to
[13:33] Speaker 2: go backwards, and there might be a slight tick up
[13:36] Speaker 2: this year on last year, but there is clearly something wrong.
[13:40] Speaker 2: It might be everything from school discipline to the wokeness
[13:44] Speaker 2: of the classroom.
[13:45] Speaker 1: You take your pick. There is plenty wrong in our schools.
[13:48] Speaker 2: We have to have a conversation about it, because if
[13:50] Speaker 2: you genuinely care about the future, it's all well and
[13:53] Speaker 2: good for people to separate their soft and hard plastics
[13:56] Speaker 2: and to have a belief that Australia, with one percent
[13:59] Speaker 2: of all climate missions somehow can fix the world because
[14:02] Speaker 2: the world is dying. Well, one thing we can one
[14:04] Speaker 2: hundred percent fix is the education outcomes of our own country.
[14:09] Speaker 1: Take it from me.
[14:10] Speaker 2: I wasn't particularly good at school and I have absolutely
[14:12] Speaker 2: lucked it out in life to be here each and
[14:14] Speaker 2: every night. But I'm the exception, not the rule, and
[14:19] Speaker 2: the rule is a little frightening. And speaking of those
[14:22] Speaker 2: deltas between Indigenous Australians and their fellow wider Australians, the
[14:27] Speaker 2: wonderful you Center Price has had plenty to say on
[14:30] Speaker 2: this issue, and she made a fantastic speech as part
[14:33] Speaker 2: of her response to the closing the gap stuff which
[14:35] Speaker 2: happens each and every year now. I think that what
[14:39] Speaker 2: she had to say was fascinating and I thought, rather
[14:42] Speaker 2: than try to paraphrase it, I should just show you
[14:44] Speaker 2: what she said.
[14:46] Speaker 10: While Prime Minister Rudd's National Apology to the Stolen Generations
[14:49] Speaker 10: didn't fix things, it was a significant moment in our nation.
[14:54] Speaker 10: The sorry in two thousand and eight wasn't only for
[14:56] Speaker 10: the stolen generations. The national Apology was allo so a
[15:00] Speaker 10: national commitment to not forget the sins of the past
[15:03] Speaker 10: and to not repeat them. That intergenerational commitment must always
[15:08] Speaker 10: be maintained. However, almost twenty years have passed since the
[15:11] Speaker 10: National Apology, and I believe it's time for something beyond
[15:15] Speaker 10: remembering the apology each year. I believe it's time for forgiveness.
[15:20] Speaker 10: The act of forgiving is not to forget the tragic past. Rather,
[15:23] Speaker 10: it's a means for our nation to move beyond the
[15:26] Speaker 10: tragic past and no longer be its prisoner. Forgiveness is
[15:30] Speaker 10: not only essential for the cause of reconciliation. Forgiveness also
[15:34] Speaker 10: helps to nurture the love of country. That's necessary for
[15:37] Speaker 10: a strong, prosperous and united nation.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Absolutely right, nobody ever quibbles about and certainly I don't
[15:45] Speaker 2: about the pages of history. We have to tell the truth,
[15:48] Speaker 2: as difficult as that can all be, but the pages
[15:50] Speaker 2: of the future are unwritten. I completely agree with the Senator.
[15:55] Speaker 2: We have for years about the country finding a way
[15:59] Speaker 2: to move forward and move forward together, and if there
[16:03] Speaker 2: are problems in certain postcodes, then we need to hit
[16:07] Speaker 2: those things with all of the support that exists, regardless
[16:11] Speaker 2: of where that postcard and what the kids are. I'd
[16:14] Speaker 2: love to know what you think about that, and obviously
[16:16] Speaker 2: the full comment from to Centerprice. So we look forward
[16:18] Speaker 2: to talking to again very soon here on Paul Murray Life.
[16:22] Speaker 2: But first we'll continuing I don't know why keep reintroducing
[16:25] Speaker 2: the show this evening. Forgive me, I'm so excited about
[16:26] Speaker 2: the Grand Prix. The Prime Minister has had a little
[16:29] Speaker 2: bit of trouble. In fact, he's had a big loss,
[16:31] Speaker 2: and dare I say we've had.
[16:32] Speaker 1: A big win now. Obviously no one will dare credit.
[16:37] Speaker 2: Us for talking about it, for highlighting it, for banging
[16:39] Speaker 2: on about it, for pointing out how absurd all of
[16:42] Speaker 2: this was. But the Prime Minister, while he might be
[16:45] Speaker 2: record numbers in the Parliament, the guy who thinks he's
[16:47] Speaker 2: going to be there for the next however many years.
[16:49] Speaker 2: There is actually every now and then a time when
[16:52] Speaker 2: a bad idea gets killed off, regardless of how hard
[16:55] Speaker 2: he wants to push for it. As you know, we
[16:58] Speaker 2: told you in September of last year that the attempts
[17:01] Speaker 2: to make it harder for you to get information via
[17:04] Speaker 2: the freedom of information system was bad for democracy. This
[17:08] Speaker 2: government has whenever it is pressed for information is one
[17:14] Speaker 2: of the worst of all time. For those who didn't
[17:17] Speaker 2: like the Morrison government. These guys are worse than the
[17:21] Speaker 2: apparent sins of the Morrison government. It's not me saying it,
[17:24] Speaker 2: that's people like Rex Patrick, the former senator who is
[17:28] Speaker 2: saying it. We've had people like David Pocock on the show,
[17:30] Speaker 2: and David and I would not agree on much, but
[17:32] Speaker 2: we agree on the lack of transparency that exists in
[17:35] Speaker 2: and around this government. And they bully the process and
[17:39] Speaker 2: they assume that things like freedom of information laws nobody's
[17:42] Speaker 2: really going to pay attention to. Well, we did we
[17:45] Speaker 2: have and your hammer, hammer hammer, because this is one
[17:48] Speaker 2: of the very very very few ways that you can
[17:52] Speaker 2: compel the government to tell you what's going on.
[17:56] Speaker 1: Now.
[17:56] Speaker 2: Too many things get redacted and They wanted a system
[18:00] Speaker 2: where basically anything that when anywhere near the cabinet table
[18:03] Speaker 2: would be automatically redacted and you wouldn't be able to
[18:06] Speaker 2: get it, and it'd be a lot of money to
[18:08] Speaker 2: even try to apply. But thankfully a lot of people
[18:12] Speaker 2: from a lot of different angles, right from the left,
[18:15] Speaker 2: the center, and the right have all come and said,
[18:17] Speaker 2: terrible idea, terrible idea. Well today, guess what happened. They
[18:22] Speaker 2: pulled the legislation. It will not be going forward. Why
[18:25] Speaker 2: because the Opposition and the cross Bench there is no
[18:28] Speaker 2: path for this thing to pass with a majority in
[18:32] Speaker 2: the Senate so they can be as in charge downstairs.
[18:34] Speaker 2: They just got their backside handed to them upstairs. Well
[18:37] Speaker 2: done to every and any Senator, regardless of whether I
[18:40] Speaker 2: agree with you on everything else or disagree with you
[18:42] Speaker 2: on everything else. Thank you for blocking this terrible idea.
[18:48] Speaker 11: It will much pass the Senate in its current form.
[18:53] Speaker 11: But this is an important reform and the government does
[18:57] Speaker 11: remain committed to it. Freedom of information is vital feature
[19:01] Speaker 11: of our democracy. But the way the FOI system is
[19:04] Speaker 11: working now is unworkable.
[19:07] Speaker 2: You mean the one where you take forever to reply
[19:10] Speaker 2: to it, and often if it's really juicy stuff. There's
[19:12] Speaker 2: lots of black lines over it.
[19:14] Speaker 1: Please what garbage?
[19:16] Speaker 2: And by the way, just about process, because one of
[19:18] Speaker 2: the things that I'm obsessed with talking to you about
[19:20] Speaker 2: is how the sausage is made. Because you care about
[19:24] Speaker 2: all the little stuff when it comes to politics. It's
[19:26] Speaker 2: why I flood you with all the info and the
[19:28] Speaker 2: graphs and the numbers. And I know most people like
[19:32] Speaker 2: it most of the time. Sometimes maybe not, but still
[19:36] Speaker 2: I just want you to be armed with all that information.
[19:38] Speaker 2: So when you talk about this stuff with people who disagree,
[19:40] Speaker 2: you can go back to that central information. And that's
[19:43] Speaker 2: why process matters here because apparently the allegation being made
[19:48] Speaker 2: by the liberal senator from New Soubas Andrew Bragg, is
[19:52] Speaker 2: that the government offered to get their legislation passed to
[19:56] Speaker 2: make it even harder to get information out of the government.
[19:59] Speaker 2: More staff to the opposition vote for this. You get
[20:04] Speaker 2: more people who work for you full time. Maybe they
[20:07] Speaker 2: can make bad social media videos like the ones I'll
[20:09] Speaker 2: show you in a couple of minutes time, or.
[20:13] Speaker 1: It's people to.
[20:13] Speaker 2: Help with constituent work. But what a trade off. Not
[20:17] Speaker 2: we'll back in that road project you're like, no, no, we'll
[20:20] Speaker 2: put an extra person in your office. Again, this was
[20:22] Speaker 2: him making the statement. Apparently the negotiations were taking place
[20:26] Speaker 2: before there was a change of leader. Susan Lee was
[20:29] Speaker 2: never going to take up this deal. Angus Taylor apparently
[20:33] Speaker 2: wasn't even offer it.
[20:35] Speaker 12: Certainly the government had tried to do a deal with
[20:37] Speaker 12: Susan Lee to get our support for the FOI in
[20:43] Speaker 12: exchange for the opposition getting more staff. Now Susan said
[20:49] Speaker 12: that that was the wrong thing to do, and she
[20:50] Speaker 12: was right, because why would we trade a principal position
[20:55] Speaker 12: away for more staff. I mean, we should never do that.
[20:57] Speaker 12: So that wasn't a serious attempt I think by the government.
[21:02] Speaker 12: That's been rejected and the idea of the AFOI reforms
[21:06] Speaker 12: to make it harder for people to get access to information.
[21:08] Speaker 12: So I don't think anyone in the Liberal Party thought
[21:11] Speaker 12: it would be a good idea to support that idea anyway.
[21:14] Speaker 2: Correct Well said again, one of the things that I
[21:17] Speaker 2: hope we have built is our connection over the years
[21:19] Speaker 2: is sorry, I'm already moving on to the next topic,
[21:21] Speaker 2: but still one of the things that I hope that
[21:23] Speaker 2: we're built up over the years is a genuine connection
[21:27] Speaker 2: and the patients when I talk about the process. Thankfully
[21:30] Speaker 2: the system stopped the people in charge of the system
[21:33] Speaker 2: being able to hide more information about the system from you.
[21:38] Speaker 2: I appreciate the loyalty that you've shown me for so long,
[21:41] Speaker 2: the patients at times when I take a long time
[21:44] Speaker 2: to explain something and then eventually the penny drops for
[21:48] Speaker 2: all of us. But it's what we do, and I
[21:49] Speaker 2: think it's really important that we do it again. To
[21:51] Speaker 2: everyone who fought this thing, good on you and the
[21:54] Speaker 2: senators who've blocked it.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Thank you.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Speaking of Susan Lee, though the Pharaoh by election, it
[22:00] Speaker 2: will now be held on my mum's birthday May the night. Sorry, Mum,
[22:05] Speaker 2: looks like I'll be around Aubrey and won't be at
[22:07] Speaker 2: your joint on the actual day of your birthday. Well,
[22:11] Speaker 2: Susan Lee, of course, she resigned from the Parliament. The
[22:14] Speaker 2: by election will now be on the ninth of May.
[22:17] Speaker 2: This will be an automatic test. Angus Taylor, can the
[22:20] Speaker 2: Lives hold on to the seat? Pauline Hansen? Can one
[22:22] Speaker 2: nation take the seat? The National Party? Will you come
[22:25] Speaker 2: up through the middle or with the Tiffany Teals find
[22:27] Speaker 2: a way? Multiple headlines, multiple versions, of the same point.
[22:32] Speaker 2: What is interesting to note here is that the only
[22:35] Speaker 2: named major candidate when the by election has been called,
[22:39] Speaker 2: and I think this is part of the politics of
[22:41] Speaker 2: exactly when the date was announced is the Tiffany Teal
[22:46] Speaker 2: Michelle Milthorpe is her name. She is an independent. She
[22:50] Speaker 2: runs as a country Independent. But Climbate two hundred are
[22:53] Speaker 2: out there saying let's get into the game in Farah,
[22:56] Speaker 2: and that's going to be the person they again to back.
[22:58] Speaker 2: Nationals have not told us who there a candidate is,
[23:00] Speaker 2: nor have the Libs, nor have one Nation. Now last
[23:03] Speaker 2: night on the program, you may remember, I sort of
[23:06] Speaker 2: felt this might be a problem, so I quickly asked
[23:08] Speaker 2: Sean Bell, when will we.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Get a candidate for Farah?
[23:11] Speaker 2: Being the candidate representing one nation, because they're the ones
[23:15] Speaker 2: seemingly we're the most to win here.
[23:18] Speaker 5: I can say right now we are very close. We'll
[23:20] Speaker 5: be finalizing a candidate this weekend. So we've actually got
[23:24] Speaker 5: three candidates. They've been publicly announced. People be able to
[23:26] Speaker 5: find out their names and they look for them, and
[23:28] Speaker 5: that'll be this weekend. We'll know who the candidate is.
[23:30] Speaker 2: All right, good, Hopefully by the time we're back on Sunday,
[23:32] Speaker 2: there'll be a candidate for everyone in stock And yes,
[23:36] Speaker 2: of course we'll go and do a pub test in
[23:37] Speaker 2: Pharah because that's what we love to do, go and
[23:39] Speaker 2: be with normal people all over the place. By the way,
[23:41] Speaker 2: interesting story in the Border Mail. That's the one of
[23:43] Speaker 2: the local newspapers. Labor probably not going to stand here.
[23:47] Speaker 2: Now this is really interesting because labor preferences went seventy
[23:52] Speaker 2: five to twenty five for the Teal at the last
[23:57] Speaker 2: federal election in twenty twenty five. So if there is
[24:01] Speaker 2: no labor candidate, where do the labor votes go? Now,
[24:05] Speaker 2: basically you can see about a quarter of the labor
[24:07] Speaker 2: vote went to the Libs. Does that now move to
[24:11] Speaker 2: one nation? Does it stay with the Libs? Does it
[24:12] Speaker 2: go to the Nats?
[24:15] Speaker 1: Again?
[24:15] Speaker 2: The Shooters which have been there in the past, well,
[24:17] Speaker 2: guess where their preferences go off to labor? The Green's
[24:22] Speaker 2: eighty one percent, but of course one nation their vote
[24:27] Speaker 2: is going to go from pretty small percentages to massive percentages.
[24:30] Speaker 2: The Liberal Party will go up against the National Party
[24:32] Speaker 2: as well, because when a member like Susan Lee leaves
[24:36] Speaker 2: the seat, it's open to a three cornered contest. So
[24:40] Speaker 2: all of this, Does this make it easier for the teal,
[24:42] Speaker 2: who incidentally has said that they won't put one nation last?
[24:45] Speaker 2: Does it make it easier for one nation because if
[24:48] Speaker 2: there's more people on the center right, they all start
[24:49] Speaker 2: to preference each other, or is it harder for both? Again,
[24:53] Speaker 2: all the fund that will work out together. Speaking about
[24:55] Speaker 2: those extra staff when it comes to politicians, one of
[24:58] Speaker 2: the reasons why in the last parliament the government handed
[25:00] Speaker 2: out extra staff was to help politicians with their social
[25:04] Speaker 2: media platforms because of the war. We haven't had much
[25:06] Speaker 2: of a chance to get to this this week, but
[25:08] Speaker 2: I wasn't going to let a week go by, especially
[25:09] Speaker 2: a sitting week, without showing you some of the crap
[25:12] Speaker 2: that they made while you were working, including the senator
[25:17] Speaker 2: who I'm sure loves that she gets a mention in
[25:20] Speaker 2: this segment. Do you like the almost second by second
[25:35] Speaker 2: that turning up to Parliament, walking through security and getting
[25:39] Speaker 2: to her office is three separate things. For everyone else,
[25:42] Speaker 2: it's just going to work. But you know, this is
[25:43] Speaker 2: how important it is that we have this insight into
[25:46] Speaker 2: their lives.
[25:47] Speaker 1: What about the Greens leader Larissa Waters.
[25:50] Speaker 2: You know what I said, and despite the fact that,
[26:03] Speaker 2: of course, the Labor Party was trying to introduce new
[26:06] Speaker 2: laws to make it harder to know what they are
[26:08] Speaker 2: doing in government. Labor people think it's time to continue
[26:12] Speaker 2: spilling the tea about what went wrong.
[26:14] Speaker 1: For the Libs at the last election. Now, are we
[26:28] Speaker 1: paying you to do local member work on?
[26:31] Speaker 6: No?
[26:31] Speaker 1: No, No party more important?
[26:32] Speaker 2: Right party more important than however long it took to
[26:36] Speaker 2: read the report, which she didn't to make.
[26:38] Speaker 1: The video which she definitely beard.
[26:41] Speaker 2: All right, let's get straight to things this evening, including
[26:44] Speaker 2: who thinks that when you're in a Loser of the Week?
[26:45] Speaker 1: Jump onto the socials.
[26:46] Speaker 2: Remember sky news dot com dot you is the homepage
[26:48] Speaker 2: to keep an eye on us all at twenty four
[26:50] Speaker 2: to seven. And in a second we're going to talk
[26:52] Speaker 2: about some of the garbage that's going on with petrol.
[26:54] Speaker 1: Prices around the country.
[26:56] Speaker 2: And we're all annoyed and we're complain but will anyone
[26:59] Speaker 2: actually step in and.
[27:00] Speaker 1: Kick these people right where it hurts? Thank you so
[27:07] Speaker 1: much for watching wherever you happened to be. Thank you
[27:09] Speaker 1: very much.
[27:09] Speaker 2: You can also send us an email Pulitsgunews dot com
[27:12] Speaker 2: dot au here with Joe Hildebrand, who is in the
[27:15] Speaker 2: man Cave right now, Roscadell the National Senator who joins
[27:18] Speaker 2: us right.
[27:19] Speaker 1: Now as well.
[27:20] Speaker 2: Now let's get into some things here, yes, including the
[27:22] Speaker 2: petrol price situation. Now, look, obviously there is a direct
[27:26] Speaker 2: correlation between what is taking place in the Middle East
[27:29] Speaker 2: and the oil price they flow on to petrol. But
[27:33] Speaker 2: as many, many, many, many many people have pointed out,
[27:35] Speaker 2: the stuff that you are putting into your car today wasn't.
[27:38] Speaker 1: Bought by the oil company and it did not just
[27:41] Speaker 1: come through the Gulf of hormones. Yeah, but it's a
[27:44] Speaker 1: little bit. But here's the thing, Joe, we all know this.
[27:47] Speaker 1: We are skeptical of this practice.
[27:49] Speaker 2: We all see this the a trip will see will
[27:50] Speaker 2: put something out, but I guarantee nothing will happen.
[27:54] Speaker 13: You are so speaking my language because I'm outraged about this,
[27:57] Speaker 13: And I was, I've been putting off filling up the car,
[27:59] Speaker 13: and I thought, I'll still be able to fill it
[28:01] Speaker 13: up for the old price. I've got my little fuel
[28:03] Speaker 13: check app. And because I like to put in the
[28:05] Speaker 13: good stuff, you know, the ninety eight for the Falcon
[28:07] Speaker 13: nothing's so good proper, And.
[28:11] Speaker 1: I thought, and I just looked at.
[28:13] Speaker 13: And every single one was like way over two bucks
[28:17] Speaker 13: a lead, right now, that should not be possible. The
[28:21] Speaker 13: stuff they have got in the tanks underneath the servo
[28:25] Speaker 13: that they actually pump the pumps from did not come
[28:29] Speaker 13: from the Gulf of Hormores. It was not affected by
[28:31] Speaker 13: the blockade. And not only this, because it takes about
[28:34] Speaker 13: a week, and of course the h will see, we'll
[28:36] Speaker 13: look into that, and of course I'll go after it.
[28:38] Speaker 13: And this is why in the old days, in normal times,
[28:41] Speaker 13: you could see a vastly different, vast difference in price
[28:47] Speaker 13: between two petrol stations. I used to drive past two
[28:50] Speaker 13: on opposite sides, facing each other on the same street,
[28:54] Speaker 13: and one would be almost forty fifty cents difference because
[28:56] Speaker 13: they've just had to buy the more extensive fuel on
[28:59] Speaker 13: the more expensive side, and so they've got to charge more.
[29:01] Speaker 1: One got their batch a week ago. One. That's exactly right.
[29:04] Speaker 13: Yeah, But here's the kicker, right, because you know what
[29:07] Speaker 13: also comes out of the Strada Hmuz gas and you
[29:12] Speaker 13: know what hasn't changed an iota, not one is the
[29:15] Speaker 13: gas from US sent.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, they forgot to rig the gas pricess.
[29:19] Speaker 13: I were so busy artificially pumping up the petrol prices
[29:24] Speaker 13: that they forgot to actually change the gas prices to
[29:26] Speaker 13: make it look legit.
[29:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, do better Cartel now.
[29:30] Speaker 2: Ross Obviously in regional as it's quite an issue too.
[29:33] Speaker 2: But also I want everyone to know that if it's
[29:36] Speaker 2: a dollar fifty eight or it's two dollars, twenty fifty
[29:39] Speaker 2: cents of every liter is federal government tax.
[29:43] Speaker 1: So there is a way to drop fifty cents.
[29:46] Speaker 2: Tomorrow, but they won't be doing that anytime soon. Ross again,
[29:50] Speaker 2: how do we do something here? Because I know bank
[29:52] Speaker 2: bashing is a national sport. Petrol station, you know, petro
[29:57] Speaker 2: company bashing's a national sport. But there's this little window
[30:01] Speaker 2: where it's pretty obvious they're taking the pee and I
[30:03] Speaker 2: don't mean petrol, and they are.
[30:07] Speaker 14: I've got to say, I'm pretty dirty Joe for reminding
[30:09] Speaker 14: of the forgotten gas.
[30:10] Speaker 8: They'll probably fixate the mir.
[30:12] Speaker 1: Just filled up tonight.
[30:13] Speaker 15: Rice.
[30:16] Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm down in Aubury now and the prices are
[30:18] Speaker 14: up here. I guarantee that hasn't been a fuel truck
[30:20] Speaker 14: of expensive hormones oil get down here overnight.
[30:22] Speaker 8: It's not good enough. It's what they always do.
[30:24] Speaker 14: And you say bank bashing and fuel bashing, but we
[30:27] Speaker 14: saw it on the interest rate rises. There was a
[30:29] Speaker 14: twenty five basis point interest rate rise and some banks
[30:31] Speaker 14: put it up thirty seven percent. There was, you know,
[30:33] Speaker 14: a lost in translation moment there. You know, this gouge
[30:37] Speaker 14: happens all the time. You know, we see it in
[30:39] Speaker 14: the supermarket inquiry. We had it and it has to stop.
[30:42] Speaker 14: It can't keep taking people for a ride. But as
[30:44] Speaker 14: you said, we took to the election last time a
[30:47] Speaker 14: harving of the excise for a period of time to
[30:49] Speaker 14: help people out with this, and we should do something
[30:52] Speaker 14: like that here when there are these balloons that aren't normal.
[30:55] Speaker 14: Certainly it helped with inflation numbers because this will buy it.
[30:57] Speaker 14: When fuel prices go up, the next lot of inflation
[31:00] Speaker 14: numbers come out, they's going to put the interest rate
[31:03] Speaker 14: up again, so we get hit again. Of course the
[31:04] Speaker 14: fuel prices went up early. Well, we just keep copying
[31:07] Speaker 14: it and they can't cope now.
[31:09] Speaker 2: And as I've explained in great detail all week, the
[31:11] Speaker 2: government has always sort of hit under this idea as
[31:13] Speaker 2: part of how they got re elected, which was you know,
[31:16] Speaker 2: when it's good, it's us, When it's bad, it's international factors.
[31:19] Speaker 2: Despite the fact that everything was already interest rates going
[31:22] Speaker 2: up highest inflation of the major in comparable countries. Now
[31:27] Speaker 2: everything to do with the budget is about Iran again,
[31:29] Speaker 2: another get out of jail free. How many rainbows can
[31:32] Speaker 2: they be kissed by? But they are copying it by
[31:35] Speaker 2: the day, all right, today an announcement made by Morgan Stanley.
[31:39] Speaker 2: I'm not imagining that there's an awful lot of people
[31:41] Speaker 2: watching us right now who care about the inner workings
[31:43] Speaker 2: of Morgan Stanley. But still thousands of jobs gone. Why
[31:47] Speaker 2: because AI will be able to fill the void now
[31:51] Speaker 2: ross A lot of white collar people don't pay attention
[31:55] Speaker 2: when the factory is closed down, but they're going to
[31:57] Speaker 2: start to pay attention now when the office is being
[32:00] Speaker 2: thinned out, even if the office is the one that
[32:03] Speaker 2: you've got at home.
[32:07] Speaker 8: And this is really scary, you know.
[32:09] Speaker 14: We're seeing the doing jobs, the growers, the builders and
[32:11] Speaker 14: makers and miners, all these things in the regions, all
[32:14] Speaker 14: the manufacturers being hit by cost of energy in these things.
[32:17] Speaker 14: Now we're seeing these thinking jobs which people are being
[32:19] Speaker 14: told to people in my area, the hunter are being
[32:21] Speaker 14: told go and retrain and get these white collar jobs.
[32:24] Speaker 8: Now they're disappearing.
[32:25] Speaker 14: We're being hit on both sides and the cost of
[32:28] Speaker 14: doing business getting worse and worse, So businesses are looking
[32:31] Speaker 14: to ways to save money, to cut things, the IR changes,
[32:34] Speaker 14: and so where do people end up.
[32:36] Speaker 8: This is just starting to happen. This is not the
[32:39] Speaker 8: end of it. This is the beginning.
[32:40] Speaker 14: And I'm going to real, real concern about what happens
[32:43] Speaker 14: in the long term of Western economies where we're taking
[32:46] Speaker 14: away to doing jobs, replacing them with the thinking jobs,
[32:48] Speaker 14: and computers are replacing those jobs before can people can
[32:51] Speaker 14: even get there?
[32:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just thing Joe.
[32:53] Speaker 2: Where again, we're not going to solve in a couple
[32:56] Speaker 2: of minutes talking on telling the whole AI question. But
[32:58] Speaker 2: I don't think we seriously engage with it. I think
[33:01] Speaker 2: that people I think you know again, things like federal
[33:03] Speaker 2: elections come and go. Do we talk about education standards? No,
[33:05] Speaker 2: look over there something as transformative of this. Was there
[33:09] Speaker 2: a conversation about two ways to handle this?
[33:12] Speaker 6: No?
[33:12] Speaker 1: Look over there, here's the car, Like this is real stuff.
[33:16] Speaker 13: Yeah, I have huge misgivings about AI. Obviously, no one's
[33:19] Speaker 13: going to cry for the lawyers and the bankers, but
[33:22] Speaker 13: you know, this is what happened to you know, manual
[33:26] Speaker 13: laborers in the industrial revolution. It's what happened to industrial
[33:29] Speaker 13: workers with the technological revolution, and now it is happening
[33:34] Speaker 13: to white collar office workers.
[33:36] Speaker 15: We did you know?
[33:38] Speaker 13: We were told this was going to happen. We knew
[33:40] Speaker 13: this was going to happen. This has been telegraphed well
[33:42] Speaker 13: in advance. But I do find it kind of interesting.
[33:45] Speaker 13: I did a lot of panels towards the end of
[33:47] Speaker 13: last year, you know, the usual suspects about what you know,
[33:50] Speaker 13: you know, what's AI going to mean for journalism and
[33:54] Speaker 13: what's it going to mean for the media industry, And
[33:56] Speaker 13: I kind of thought, I'm not sure you actually get this.
[34:00] Speaker 13: AI is going to f everybody. It is going to
[34:04] Speaker 13: turn absolutely everything upside down. So the idea that you
[34:08] Speaker 13: could be, you know, in a vulnerable cell or you know,
[34:12] Speaker 13: or cozy yourself up in a little silo and it
[34:14] Speaker 13: wouldn't affect you is completely the wrong thing to ask.
[34:17] Speaker 13: I think the thing we have to actually ask is
[34:20] Speaker 13: how will AI affect human beings? And if you want
[34:23] Speaker 13: to talk about people who write and create, I mean,
[34:26] Speaker 13: it's one thing for people who do Excel spreadsheets, AI
[34:28] Speaker 13: can probably get that right. What happens when AI starts
[34:31] Speaker 13: writing newspaper articles which it is already. What happens when
[34:36] Speaker 13: it then branches out? What if it writes a long
[34:38] Speaker 13: form feature? What if it writes a feature about.
[34:41] Speaker 1: It writes a book?
[34:41] Speaker 13: What if it writes what if it writes a book
[34:43] Speaker 13: and you start crying because the book is so powerful
[34:46] Speaker 13: because you think it's written by a human, But also
[34:48] Speaker 13: what and you find out it's not?
[34:49] Speaker 2: But also there's a world where people have been turning
[34:51] Speaker 2: you know, doctor Google has been around for a while.
[34:53] Speaker 2: There are people who are using certain AI programs to
[34:57] Speaker 2: sort of solve life problems. This is not amazing. All right,
[35:02] Speaker 2: two quick ones before we finish here, let's talk about
[35:05] Speaker 2: the fight for Farah Ross. Unsurprisingly, perhaps a reason you
[35:09] Speaker 2: might be where you are right now is because game
[35:12] Speaker 2: on right When do the Nats announce a candidate? Because
[35:16] Speaker 2: there's an independent already in the game. One nation announced
[35:18] Speaker 2: this weekend. When do we know who's running for the Nats?
[35:24] Speaker 14: So four candidates pre selections on Sunday morning. Just been
[35:27] Speaker 14: at the Brady's Railway Hotel with about forty Nats and
[35:30] Speaker 14: all the candidates getting ready, So we are ready to go.
[35:34] Speaker 14: As of this weekend, there'll be a great chance to
[35:37] Speaker 14: have a say on what we're doing in Australia and
[35:39] Speaker 14: if we're heading the right direction, should we return our
[35:41] Speaker 14: standard of living and our values.
[35:43] Speaker 8: So it's just a great opportunity for Australians to have
[35:45] Speaker 8: to say. But we will be ready.
[35:46] Speaker 14: We can't wait for the fight, looking forward to being
[35:48] Speaker 14: part of it.
[35:49] Speaker 1: Jadie's a great but choosing not to be there, choosing
[35:52] Speaker 1: not to be there.
[35:54] Speaker 2: On the upside, for labor, they're thinking, okay, all right,
[35:57] Speaker 2: so we don't have to get involved in a preference
[35:59] Speaker 2: thing with the Teals. We hope that they go to
[36:02] Speaker 2: the Teel. But as I said before, in the preference flow,
[36:05] Speaker 2: about a quarter of the labor vote went to the Libs.
[36:07] Speaker 1: And of course there is this factor, particularly in.
[36:09] Speaker 2: The regions, about where parts of working class labor vote
[36:13] Speaker 2: has gone.
[36:14] Speaker 1: We'll all find out together. But should labor be in
[36:16] Speaker 1: this file.
[36:17] Speaker 13: I don't think they will be. The PM was the
[36:19] Speaker 13: first leader to actually hit the ground in Farah. He
[36:22] Speaker 13: went there almost as soon as the campaign for No,
[36:25] Speaker 13: just basically just to troll the other three major parties
[36:29] Speaker 13: into say haha, Beacher. But I think but I think
[36:33] Speaker 13: he's too smart, probably to well I do think he's
[36:36] Speaker 13: very smart, he's a very good political operator. But I think,
[36:39] Speaker 13: but I think what upside is there in Labour running
[36:43] Speaker 13: for the race. For one thing, you put yourself up
[36:45] Speaker 13: as a target. Just because the coalition is imploding doesn't
[36:48] Speaker 13: mean that people feel they're doing particularly well the government.
[36:52] Speaker 13: So do you want to put up a target and say.
[36:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't think they'll they can that they
[36:56] Speaker 2: can ever win. Right, So therefore, don't get involved in
[37:00] Speaker 2: a fight that shows that you're stronger or weaker. It's said,
[37:03] Speaker 2: you step back and you let Teel become the proxy,
[37:06] Speaker 2: right with all the money that's there. But again, Ross,
[37:10] Speaker 2: you know, when I hear about these three cornered contests, right,
[37:13] Speaker 2: the idea of the Lib's being able to take on
[37:16] Speaker 2: the Nats when it NAT retires and similarly when it
[37:20] Speaker 2: comes to the Libs, there will be a lot of
[37:21] Speaker 2: people that watching going hand. Sorry I don't understand here, right,
[37:25] Speaker 2: how do you sit opposite at a candidate forum and
[37:27] Speaker 2: have the GNAT hang stuff on the LIB and the
[37:29] Speaker 2: LIB hangs stuff on the NAT without it pushing people
[37:33] Speaker 2: to what is now another option for the center right,
[37:37] Speaker 2: which is one nation.
[37:41] Speaker 8: Look, it's all happy families again. I've got a job again.
[37:45] Speaker 14: I think it's a really interesting thing. The Libs will
[37:49] Speaker 14: have someone here, will have something.
[37:50] Speaker 8: It will be done with respect.
[37:51] Speaker 14: I mean, even the relationship with Angus and how he's
[37:54] Speaker 14: treating us and the positive thing on policy. It's just
[37:57] Speaker 14: a lot better fit for us now. Susan's been a
[37:59] Speaker 14: great member down for a long time. She's held the
[38:01] Speaker 14: seat for a long time. But you know, one national
[38:03] Speaker 14: bee here, it's really important for us that the teal
[38:05] Speaker 14: doesn't win this seat. I mean, she's backed by people
[38:08] Speaker 14: that one of the four hundred and fifty Gigga leaders
[38:09] Speaker 14: of Water recovered from the Murray Darling system, which is
[38:12] Speaker 14: important to you. It's been very dry, so we'll be
[38:14] Speaker 14: doing what we can. You know, we'll obviously preference type
[38:17] Speaker 14: the Liberals as nationals. I'm not the one that chooses,
[38:20] Speaker 14: you know, one nation or anything other. But it's so
[38:22] Speaker 14: important for the regions that a teal doesn't get this
[38:24] Speaker 14: seat and really hurt us. So we'll do what we can,
[38:27] Speaker 14: and we think we can maximize our vote by doing
[38:29] Speaker 14: just nuanced versions. Libs are a little bit different than us.
[38:33] Speaker 14: We've got some different different targets lives are strong in Aubrey.
[38:36] Speaker 8: They hold the state's seat. We haven't ever been down
[38:38] Speaker 8: here for a while.
[38:39] Speaker 14: We think we'll do okay in the regions, but maximizing
[38:42] Speaker 14: that vote among the center right is important. Obviously we'd
[38:45] Speaker 14: love to win it, but we know it's going to
[38:46] Speaker 14: be hard with the things down here. But if we
[38:48] Speaker 14: can do that and get through and beat the TEL
[38:50] Speaker 14: I'd love labor to come down here that I know
[38:52] Speaker 14: they're not. They're backing the teal themselves, and we're going
[38:55] Speaker 14: to see, you know, a bit of a spend off,
[38:56] Speaker 14: I think, between the last hurrah of the uncapped climate
[38:59] Speaker 14: two hundred and a bit of the new resurgent backed
[39:02] Speaker 14: by Gina one nation.
[39:03] Speaker 8: So we'll see if we can keep up with it.
[39:05] Speaker 2: All right, We'll all be watching on winners and losers
[39:07] Speaker 2: of the week. Joe Hill, the brand who stands out
[39:09] Speaker 2: for you, yayr name.
[39:10] Speaker 13: Well, I think it's pretty obvious that Donald Trump was
[39:12] Speaker 13: the winner and the Ayatola Assahola was the loser because
[39:17] Speaker 13: he is deep in the cold, cold.
[39:19] Speaker 2: Ground on the replacement. To get ready for the next
[39:22] Speaker 2: twenty four hours. Everyone, all right, and roscadel your window
[39:25] Speaker 2: or loser?
[39:25] Speaker 1: This week.
[39:28] Speaker 14: Loser has got to be labor on the FOI laws.
[39:30] Speaker 14: I think that's a great loss for that great thing
[39:32] Speaker 14: for Australia and the winners. How could it be anyone
[39:35] Speaker 14: else but the petroheas of Australia ready for the festival
[39:38] Speaker 14: speed of Albert Park.
[39:39] Speaker 10: I know.
[39:39] Speaker 1: Okay, So look, Oscar Piastri, what's your sense? Can he
[39:42] Speaker 1: win this theme?
[39:43] Speaker 2: Obviously technically, but you know I won't say will how
[39:46] Speaker 2: well does Oscar do this weekend?
[39:50] Speaker 1: He does bloody well.
[39:51] Speaker 14: I mean I'm hearing the McLaren's didn't run the new
[39:53] Speaker 14: Mercedes engine in their last trial and have a step
[39:55] Speaker 14: of evolution on speed like that they've done there.
[39:57] Speaker 8: So I'm just sitting there and hoping. I know, mer sad,
[40:00] Speaker 8: he's a favorite, but go Oscar.
[40:02] Speaker 13: I'll hope that can cope with the new petrol prices
[40:03] Speaker 13: because that's going to put a bit of a strain
[40:05] Speaker 13: on McLaren and Mersida.
[40:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you guys, Appreciate you, guys. We'll
[40:09] Speaker 1: see you very soon, all right, standing by for us
[40:13] Speaker 1: the wonderful Colin Flynn. We'll get to him on a
[40:14] Speaker 1: lot of fun things. But yeah, a little more on
[40:16] Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. What a weekend it is if you
[40:18] Speaker 1: like your motorsport.
[40:19] Speaker 2: Oh, and I like my motor sport.
[40:21] Speaker 1: But Colin Flynn joins us next.
[40:27] Speaker 2: Now as we are sort of in the post summer Hays,
[40:31] Speaker 2: it's still pretty warm, still pretty muggy in lots of
[40:32] Speaker 2: parts of Australia. A diffriend, Colin Flynn, who of course
[40:35] Speaker 2: normally resides in Rome, is from Ireland. He's in Dublin
[40:38] Speaker 2: right now, where it's almost eleven o'clock in the morning.
[40:41] Speaker 2: It's eight degrees. At midday it'll become seven degrees. At
[40:45] Speaker 2: three pm it'll become three degrees.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Why are you outside, brother.
[40:50] Speaker 15: Oh, Paul.
[40:51] Speaker 6: We thought this was a good idea, but when you
[40:53] Speaker 6: live in Ireland, it's never a good idea to do
[40:55] Speaker 6: anything outside. And just before we come on air, we've
[40:57] Speaker 6: got the whole camera crew here starting terrain. It's actually
[41:01] Speaker 6: getting quite heavy. And I thought this would be a lovely,
[41:03] Speaker 6: beautiful shop for you Australians.
[41:05] Speaker 15: But you're looking at this now. Yeah, but you know
[41:09] Speaker 15: what this place?
[41:10] Speaker 6: The place I am It's called hot that's a little
[41:12] Speaker 6: village north of Doblin, the capitol, and it's very famous
[41:15] Speaker 6: for its fish and chips. Now in Australia, I know
[41:19] Speaker 6: Paul that you guys love your chippers as well. You
[41:21] Speaker 6: have them up and down the coast. That's kind of
[41:23] Speaker 6: part of the day out to the seaside. And here
[41:25] Speaker 6: in Ireland, as you can see on your screen, we
[41:27] Speaker 6: too have chippers right across the country. But the interesting thing,
[41:31] Speaker 6: Paul is that our fish and chip shops are run
[41:34] Speaker 6: by Italians, the vast majority, almost every single one.
[41:38] Speaker 15: And recently I.
[41:39] Speaker 6: Met a documentary for RTE, Irish television.
[41:42] Speaker 15: I'm getting soaked here. It's running down my back.
[41:44] Speaker 6: Where we try to figure out what's the source of
[41:46] Speaker 6: these fish and chip shops?
[41:47] Speaker 15: Where did these Italians come from? Before? I show you
[41:50] Speaker 15: and you won't believe this is incredible. I have a
[41:52] Speaker 15: little clip.
[41:53] Speaker 6: This is just an example of what it's like in
[41:55] Speaker 6: any given night in one of our chippers.
[41:57] Speaker 15: Look at this and how many people do you have
[42:02] Speaker 15: here working behind the counter?
[42:04] Speaker 16: And I so we are seven seven people people bagging
[42:08] Speaker 16: the deliveries, girls, pizza Grils, pre Borgers, Claire second deliveries
[42:16] Speaker 16: on the phone.
[42:19] Speaker 6: I love how you dance so bad And there's a
[42:22] Speaker 6: few characters behind the counter to.
[42:24] Speaker 15: Tell me the story behind this tattoo. It's a it's
[42:27] Speaker 15: a nice story. I'm the listen just so because.
[42:30] Speaker 1: I love the island.
[42:31] Speaker 15: You love Irish people, of course, it's not.
[42:37] Speaker 1: If you're gonna be square, you ain't gonna going nowhere.
[42:41] Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'm dancing along. That's fantastic. But I also
[42:44] Speaker 2: love sort of the missing of accents that you can hear. So, so,
[42:47] Speaker 2: how did fish and chips become an Italian thing in Ireland?
[42:53] Speaker 15: Yeah? I love that lot of the song. If you're
[42:54] Speaker 15: gonna be a square, you ain't gonna go nowhere. It's
[42:57] Speaker 15: very truthful, isn't it correct.
[42:59] Speaker 6: Well, it's amazing because all of these families are right
[43:01] Speaker 6: across Ireland, every single one, right up and down the country.
[43:05] Speaker 6: They can all trace their roots back to one one
[43:08] Speaker 6: tiny village in Italy called Castalataco. It's in the region
[43:11] Speaker 6: of Umbria and it's up on this hilltop and normally
[43:14] Speaker 6: the village is just a population of around four hundred people.
[43:17] Speaker 15: But we're going to show you some footage now there
[43:18] Speaker 15: it is.
[43:18] Speaker 6: Look how beautiful that is, tiny Italian village And every
[43:22] Speaker 6: year it's incredible when you go there, the whole town
[43:25] Speaker 6: is taken over by an Irish festival, and it's surreal.
[43:28] Speaker 15: Paul, to walk around and you're in Italy.
[43:30] Speaker 6: It's an Italian village, but everyone's wearing green, they're talking
[43:33] Speaker 6: about Saint Patrick, they're drinking their guinness, they're having an
[43:35] Speaker 6: Irish breakfast. Because it was after World War One, when
[43:39] Speaker 6: really Italy was decimated, especially the small villages, that a
[43:42] Speaker 6: few young men made their way to Scotland.
[43:46] Speaker 15: Scotland, they went over.
[43:47] Speaker 6: To northern Ireland and then they moved down here to
[43:49] Speaker 6: the Republic. And one of the things they did is
[43:51] Speaker 6: they started fishing in places like this here in Hothe,
[43:54] Speaker 6: and then it became a thing. But we always assume
[43:57] Speaker 6: they're fish and chips because they're all Italian. Is an
[43:59] Speaker 6: Italian dish. But I spoke to a local historian there
[44:02] Speaker 6: in Castla.
[44:07] Speaker 15: He came from Castle at Ago in nineteen fifty five.
[44:11] Speaker 15: Why fish and chips?
[44:13] Speaker 6: What started this industry of having fish and chip shops?
[44:16] Speaker 17: It all started from a different way of fishing. They
[44:21] Speaker 17: started to fish to do the fishing. They thought that
[44:27] Speaker 17: it was a good idea to do fish and chips.
[44:30] Speaker 17: But it's not an Italian recipe. Of course, a fish
[44:33] Speaker 17: and chip was a kind of a cafe where they
[44:36] Speaker 17: used to sell fish and chips ice cream. It was
[44:38] Speaker 17: a kind of a complete restaurant.
[44:41] Speaker 6: I would say now, I think a lot of people
[44:43] Speaker 6: are under the impression that it's originally Italian, but it's not.
[44:49] Speaker 6: In fact, there are no.
[44:52] Speaker 7: Anywhere in Italy.
[44:57] Speaker 2: Well done night, we got the tin cans to work again.
[45:00] Speaker 2: You have solved the mystery, my friend.
[45:03] Speaker 15: Yeah, it's incredible.
[45:04] Speaker 6: So we assumed always, because they're all Italian, that it
[45:06] Speaker 6: was an Italian dish, and we went there and we
[45:08] Speaker 6: found out actually no.
[45:09] Speaker 15: When they came here, they adapted and it just became
[45:12] Speaker 15: a thing that they do the fish and chips here.
[45:14] Speaker 6: But it's wonderful when you see they keep that connection
[45:16] Speaker 6: alive between Castelatigo, the tiny village with that big Irish festival,
[45:20] Speaker 6: and then they're Irish roots here too. We are getting
[45:23] Speaker 6: saturated here for the polymer. I'm a big star on
[45:26] Speaker 6: the Paul Murray Show. Can someone bring me an umbrella?
[45:28] Speaker 6: Come on, I'm Paul Murray Show.
[45:30] Speaker 2: Can we just double check that is this an Irish
[45:32] Speaker 2: coffee that you're currently warming yourself with?
[45:34] Speaker 1: As well? I noticed this is it just a little
[45:36] Speaker 1: sum extra, a little extra pipe on this Thursday morning,
[45:39] Speaker 1: your time.
[45:40] Speaker 15: It says you're actually honest.
[45:42] Speaker 6: The Irish coffee recipe, I haven't read this cream rich
[45:45] Speaker 6: as an Irish brogue coffee, strong as an Irish friend's hand,
[45:49] Speaker 6: sugar sweet as the tongue of a rogue.
[45:52] Speaker 15: Irish whist, and smooth as the weight of the land.
[45:55] Speaker 12: You know.
[45:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, well to point, well, mind, all right guy, thank
[46:00] Speaker 2: you mate. We appreciate it a good as you Colin
[46:02] Speaker 2: Flynn there at home in Ireland normally eaten. The whole
[46:05] Speaker 2: point of that chat is just to hang out with
[46:07] Speaker 2: our mate and to be able to have a little
[46:09] Speaker 2: smile as well. Right, nice way to end the week,
[46:11] Speaker 2: especially a week that's been as big and difficult as this.
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[46:32] Speaker 14: Sec.
[46:37] Speaker 2: Can I tell you two quick Kirk crazy stories before
[46:39] Speaker 2: we finish up? Member Anika wells, the one who, of
[46:42] Speaker 2: course was the Minister for freebies, the one who said,
[46:45] Speaker 2: you know, what did you say about to travel and
[46:48] Speaker 2: never doing anything wrong.
[46:50] Speaker 8: I have abided by the rules the whole time I've
[46:52] Speaker 8: been follow the rules, follow the rules.
[46:56] Speaker 1: I have followed the rules, followed the guidelines so far. Well.
[47:00] Speaker 2: Of course, despite the fact that she did nothing wrong,
[47:04] Speaker 2: she didn't tend any major supporting events over summer. Why
[47:07] Speaker 2: because she had already taken the proverbial when it came
[47:10] Speaker 2: to the free tickets. She's got so many tickets on myself,
[47:14] Speaker 2: She's given them away for free, right.
[47:16] Speaker 15: Well.
[47:17] Speaker 2: She also is not attending the Asian Cup where the
[47:20] Speaker 2: Matildas are playing. I think they were playing a little
[47:21] Speaker 2: bit earlier tonight. I hope they did well. And of
[47:24] Speaker 2: course the Prime Minister said there was no way he
[47:26] Speaker 2: could change the travel system, and then the Prime Minister
[47:28] Speaker 2: ended up changing the travel system. Well, guess what we
[47:31] Speaker 2: learned today that ministers built twenty five thousand dollars to
[47:35] Speaker 2: attend a Christmas soiree. You paid for federal government ministers
[47:40] Speaker 2: who build more than twenty five thousand dollars for flights,
[47:42] Speaker 2: hotels and ground transport to go to a one hour
[47:46] Speaker 2: meeting in Sydney, which then happened to be followed by
[47:48] Speaker 2: an end of.
[47:49] Speaker 1: Yew soiree with Labor Party donors. This is not the
[47:54] Speaker 1: first time. In fact, there's almost three of these that
[47:56] Speaker 1: have taken place. Unbelievable.
[47:59] Speaker 2: Right, the idea that you pay for this, You know
[48:03] Speaker 2: Anika Wells, she was ridiculous with her use of travel.
[48:07] Speaker 2: The idea that the Prime Minister has learned to listen
[48:08] Speaker 2: with tras system. But the system now allows the entire
[48:11] Speaker 2: ministry to pretend that they are having a meeting, but
[48:15] Speaker 2: what they're really doing is having a super fast meeting
[48:18] Speaker 2: in order to get the free travel to go to
[48:19] Speaker 2: the real event, which is the Labour Party fundraiser. And
[48:23] Speaker 2: told you there was two stories. Here's the second one.
[48:25] Speaker 2: Did you know that if you put all together the
[48:27] Speaker 2: amount of money that airports are making out of car parking,
[48:31] Speaker 2: you would have close to half a billion dollars cost
[48:35] Speaker 2: to half a billion dollars. Right, Airport car parks four
[48:39] Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. Brisbane makes a seventy seven cent profit
[48:44] Speaker 2: for every.
[48:44] Speaker 1: Dollar that they charge.
[48:46] Speaker 2: Combined Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth four hundred and two million
[48:50] Speaker 2: dollars in profit from freaking car parks. Enjoy whatever you're
[48:55] Speaker 2: into this weekend. For me, that's the cars I'll see
[48:57] Speaker 2: on Sunday Go Tigers, Go Yankees, and chases on the
[48:59] Speaker 2: capt

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