# Paul Murray Live | 1 December

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 1 Dec 2025, 50 min.

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Greens’ lavish party-room reno blows out past $1.6m, while the government axes defence agencies to clean up its own budget mess. Plus, taxpayers now footing the multimillion-dollar bill for Chris Bowen’s failed UN climate bid. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. I'm
[0:06] Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Quick note, if Sharry Markson's knocking
[0:10] Speaker 1: on your door, you're about to be big news. Little
[0:13] Speaker 1: She's got some big news to tell you. Either way,
[0:14] Speaker 1: pay attention. Looking forward to seeing that tomorrow night. All
[0:17] Speaker 1: the best to you, mate. All right now, Richard Marles
[0:20] Speaker 1: was out and about today pretending that he was saving
[0:22] Speaker 1: Australian taxpayers. Most of the media, of course, that don't
[0:26] Speaker 1: push back. They just write down everything, polish it up,
[0:29] Speaker 1: give it the A grade. When it comes to the
[0:32] Speaker 1: pub test, we'll guess what. There's a couple of hairs
[0:34] Speaker 1: on it. I'll explain what it is in a moment
[0:36] Speaker 1: or two. Time. A lot to talk about with Pauline Hanson. Firstly,
[0:39] Speaker 1: what about her saying I don't want to live in Victoria.
[0:42] Speaker 1: I know that fired up the premiere. But middle stuff
[0:45] Speaker 1: from her, and we'll have a chat to our matekas
[0:47] Speaker 1: Samarus about a surprising group of voters that are behind
[0:51] Speaker 1: the surge making them twice as popular as the Greens. Now,
[0:56] Speaker 1: if I see him just a little raspy, it's because,
[0:58] Speaker 1: like many Australians up in the middle of the night,
[1:01] Speaker 1: hoping against hope that things would go better, but alas
[1:04] Speaker 1: they did not, and the McLaren of it all means
[1:07] Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre has got a bit of work to do
[1:09] Speaker 1: when it comes to winning the World Championship. What I
[1:12] Speaker 1: did not expect today was that a fellow member of
[1:16] Speaker 1: the Paul Murray Live family would bring it up and
[1:18] Speaker 1: said it estimates. This was the question that Matt Canavan asked.
[1:23] Speaker 1: I thought I should show you because like many Australians,
[1:27] Speaker 1: we're a little giddy after getting such a little sleep
[1:30] Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours for our Oscar.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Do you think McLaren is biased against Oscar Piastre and
[1:37] Speaker 2: costing him the World Championship?
[1:39] Speaker 1: You're asking me for an opinion. The good answer, what
[1:44] Speaker 1: about you, Minister?
[1:46] Speaker 3: I definitely think he's got some raw decisions this year
[1:50] Speaker 3: and someone with a daughter who's become obsessed with F one,
[1:54] Speaker 3: she will be very upset when she gets up this morning.
[1:57] Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it all comes down to which is capping
[2:01] Speaker 1: up this weekend? Sorry I should say, of course it's
[2:04] Speaker 1: going to be the last race this weekend in the
[2:07] Speaker 1: UAE in Abu Dhabi. There we go. Basically, this is
[2:10] Speaker 1: how it works. If Landa Norris wins, he wins the championship.
[2:14] Speaker 1: If Oscar wins, he wins, but only if Lando is
[2:18] Speaker 1: not in the top five and Max is somewhere in between.
[2:22] Speaker 1: So we'll all wait and see together. But first let's
[2:25] Speaker 1: get to three examples of how they spend other people's money.
[2:29] Speaker 1: The other people's money being you and being a Monday
[2:33] Speaker 1: most people. Of course, you work for the government on
[2:35] Speaker 1: a Monday and a Tuesday. Depending on how much you earn,
[2:37] Speaker 1: it could be into a Wednesday, maybe Thursday if you
[2:40] Speaker 1: happen to be particularly lucky. Well, this one involves the Greens.
[2:46] Speaker 1: Now you may all have heard some of this detail,
[2:48] Speaker 1: but some of the stuff you haven't heard is just
[2:51] Speaker 1: a wowser. Now, as we know, the Greens are more
[2:54] Speaker 1: pure than anyone in the Australian Parliament.
[2:59] Speaker 4: This is a government that's prepared to waste billions and
[3:02] Speaker 4: billions of dollars.
[3:03] Speaker 1: The government can take these billions of dollars and build
[3:06] Speaker 1: a nuclear submarine or two.
[3:08] Speaker 2: This government wastes billions.
[3:09] Speaker 5: That is a waste of public money.
[3:11] Speaker 6: This project, which is being funded with Australian taxpayers money.
[3:15] Speaker 5: Clearly a massive waste of money.
[3:19] Speaker 1: Every cent that can be spent should be spent on
[3:24] Speaker 1: the Australian public, on lifting those up who cannot lift themselves,
[3:28] Speaker 1: on making the welfare safety net stronger than ever before, unless,
[3:34] Speaker 1: of course, they want to spend money on themselves. Now
[3:38] Speaker 1: the Greens have fewer members of Federal Parliament than they
[3:41] Speaker 1: did after the twenty twenty two election. Remember three of
[3:47] Speaker 1: their four Lower House MPs, including the leader gone. They've
[3:51] Speaker 1: gone from fourteen to eleven. But you have paid for
[3:55] Speaker 1: a renovation to the Greens party room. Remember when anyone
[4:00] Speaker 1: else sus spending money, it's a waste of money when
[4:02] Speaker 1: it's money they are spending on themselves. Oh, it was
[4:04] Speaker 1: hard to find a Green today that in wish to speak.
[4:08] Speaker 1: The Department of Parliamentary Staff told Senate estimates on Monday
[4:14] Speaker 1: title construction costs associated with the fourth Party Room one
[4:18] Speaker 1: point six repeat, one point six million dollars. Now remember
[4:24] Speaker 1: at the absolute height fourteen MPs, now down to eleven.
[4:28] Speaker 1: They had to renovate the room Previously, documents release of
[4:32] Speaker 1: the Senate to the Coalition's Finance spokesperson James Patterson said
[4:36] Speaker 1: the practical completion of the costs was eight hundred and
[4:39] Speaker 1: eighty six one thousand dollars. However, the department officials have
[4:42] Speaker 1: now added in the additional numbers of four hundred and
[4:45] Speaker 1: fifty two thousand dollars two hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars,
[4:50] Speaker 1: which gets you to one point six million dollars. When
[4:57] Speaker 1: asked about this today, the relevant boffin was trying to
[5:00] Speaker 1: find a reason as to why renovating one room in
[5:05] Speaker 1: our federal Parliament costs one point six million dollars for
[5:09] Speaker 1: fourteen people to sit in. The Assistant Secretary of Property
[5:13] Speaker 1: Services said that the rebuild area which included demolition, cabling,
[5:19] Speaker 1: hot and cold water connections. Now again, you want to
[5:22] Speaker 1: renovate your house, You could build an entire house for
[5:24] Speaker 1: less than a million dollars. Oh, you want to change
[5:26] Speaker 1: one room in Parliament one point six? He said that
[5:31] Speaker 1: there were extra considerations required for the construction projects in
[5:34] Speaker 1: Parliament House because the design intent of the original architects
[5:39] Speaker 1: needed to be put in place. What a white wall?
[5:42] Speaker 1: Now again, Parliament House is a beautiful building. The party
[5:46] Speaker 1: rooms are not spectacular and ornate. They're not full of
[5:51] Speaker 1: Tasmanian wood. There's not the fine finishes of craftsmen and
[5:56] Speaker 1: women from around the country. They are affected. Concrete walls
[6:01] Speaker 1: that have been painted, skirting boards are fancy, but not
[6:04] Speaker 1: one point six one point six million dollars when they
[6:08] Speaker 1: spend it on themselves are absolutely necessary. This crap has
[6:12] Speaker 1: been going on for years, yet any spending anyone else does. Oh,
[6:16] Speaker 1: that's wasteful, it's nasty. They're spending on themselves. Well again,
[6:20] Speaker 1: have a look at the mirror, which I presume also
[6:22] Speaker 1: got to dust up in the Greens party room. Example
[6:25] Speaker 1: number two of other people's money, how they spend what
[6:28] Speaker 1: you work too damn hard for. This is more serious,
[6:33] Speaker 1: but another example about spind and it comes from the
[6:35] Speaker 1: Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister today, Richard Marles. Now
[6:40] Speaker 1: I won't bore you with the details, but essentially all
[6:42] Speaker 1: of the different parts of the Defense Department that are
[6:46] Speaker 1: about buying stuff are all now going to be pushed
[6:49] Speaker 1: into one organization. Apparently there will be no significant job losses.
[6:54] Speaker 1: Maybe a boss here and a boss there, And here
[6:57] Speaker 1: is the Defense Minister explaining why all of this somehow
[6:59] Speaker 1: is going to save us money.
[7:02] Speaker 6: This is one of the most significant reforms to defense
[7:06] Speaker 6: that we have seen. It will greatly change the way
[7:10] Speaker 6: that defense operates. It will greatly improve the quality of
[7:16] Speaker 6: the defense spend and it will make sure that as
[7:20] Speaker 6: we spend more money in the defense budget, we are
[7:23] Speaker 6: doing so in a way which sees programs delivered on
[7:27] Speaker 6: time and on budget.
[7:29] Speaker 1: Look, we know the submarines a long time off. What
[7:32] Speaker 1: about the missiles in the far north of Australia. What
[7:34] Speaker 1: about the capacity for us to be able to intercept
[7:36] Speaker 1: a missile if one gets seen to you? Can we
[7:37] Speaker 1: invest in that now or no? So we've got to
[7:39] Speaker 1: rebuild the Greens party room. And I get at one
[7:42] Speaker 1: point six in defense doesn't go that far, but I'd
[7:45] Speaker 1: much prefer it to spend on that than obviously what
[7:50] Speaker 1: the Greens were doing. Now, remember we have a situation
[7:53] Speaker 1: when it comes to the Australian federal budget that, for
[7:55] Speaker 1: as far as the eye can see, the Treasurer Jim
[7:58] Speaker 1: Chalmers has built a system that will be in deficit
[8:02] Speaker 1: for at least the next forty years. A trillion dollars
[8:05] Speaker 1: in debt quickly becomes two trillion dollars. But before they
[8:08] Speaker 1: start giving themselves too many high fives about how much
[8:12] Speaker 1: money they're saving, can I actually give you an idea
[8:15] Speaker 1: about just how relatively small defenses to the Australian federal budget.
[8:20] Speaker 1: This is from their own budget papers. I am making
[8:22] Speaker 1: it up. Defense is six percent of budgetary spending, Social
[8:29] Speaker 1: security and welfare is thirty seven percent. Defense is fifty
[8:34] Speaker 1: one and a half billion dollars a year, social security
[8:38] Speaker 1: and welfare two hundred and ninety one billion dollars. They
[8:42] Speaker 1: want to get serious about truly saving the budget, but
[8:44] Speaker 1: of course they won't do anything about that because they
[8:46] Speaker 1: want to push that number as high as possible on
[8:49] Speaker 1: social security and welfare. Why, because of that triangle of dependence,
[8:53] Speaker 1: you want people working for you, which is why even
[8:55] Speaker 1: when you rearrange deck chairs on the bureaucracy of the Titanic,
[8:59] Speaker 1: you don't sack any one. It's why you'll find new
[9:02] Speaker 1: ways to give people money that they didn't ask for.
[9:06] Speaker 1: And of course you try to create a scenario where
[9:08] Speaker 1: business the biggest client is government. If they're serious about
[9:13] Speaker 1: spending and saving money, why not to focus on some
[9:15] Speaker 1: of these areas. But of course cut cut, cut, cut, cut,
[9:18] Speaker 1: is their whole way that they scare the ever blooming
[9:21] Speaker 1: amount of people who get their hand fed by the government.
[9:25] Speaker 1: An example number three of how they spent other people's money.
[9:31] Speaker 1: Our old mate Chris Bowen. When Chris Bowen was out
[9:34] Speaker 1: there trying to suck up to world leaders, demanding and
[9:38] Speaker 1: hoping that Australia would get to host the next version
[9:40] Speaker 1: of the climate conference that he attended with a billion
[9:43] Speaker 1: dollars left aside a last we know it didn't work
[9:46] Speaker 1: out well in terms of the number of people that
[9:49] Speaker 1: went on the behalf of the good Australian public. The
[9:51] Speaker 1: ones who couldn't do it on zoom had to be
[9:53] Speaker 1: there in person, presumably not flying up the back of
[9:57] Speaker 1: the plane. Our Belie's government drops as much as forty
[10:00] Speaker 1: thousand dollars per person. Forty three forty three civil servants
[10:05] Speaker 1: went so throw on top of that the minister, the
[10:08] Speaker 1: assistant minister, the side minister for this, and that the
[10:11] Speaker 1: number is going to get closer to fifty. The Department
[10:14] Speaker 1: of Climate Change and Energy is confirmed one point six
[10:17] Speaker 1: million dollars. What is it with one point six million?
[10:20] Speaker 1: One point six million dollars gets people to go over
[10:22] Speaker 1: to cop thirty One point six million dollars gets a
[10:25] Speaker 1: new party room for a party that has fewer MPs
[10:29] Speaker 1: than it did before the election. Indicative budgeted costs for travel,
[10:34] Speaker 1: accommodation and other expenses covering forty three civil servants, including
[10:39] Speaker 1: thirty two from the Department of Climate Change and Energy.
[10:44] Speaker 1: The back of the envelope sums gets you to thirty
[10:46] Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars per person. Unsurprisingly, some Coalition senators are
[10:52] Speaker 1: noticing that this is a waste of your money.
[10:56] Speaker 7: Lots of international travel, lots of conferences. We've got the
[10:59] Speaker 7: part time energy minister. Now he's the president of cop negotiations.
[11:05] Speaker 7: As I've said Kieran, I really think that it's time
[11:08] Speaker 7: for this Prime Minister to perhaps suggest that Chris Bowen
[11:12] Speaker 7: stays in Turkey does that job, and he appoints someone else.
[11:17] Speaker 1: And this was just for those people who, of course
[11:19] Speaker 1: go now remember the conference that never was and never
[11:22] Speaker 1: will be in Adelaide was going to cost a billion
[11:25] Speaker 1: dollars well, of course, because they were going to do
[11:28] Speaker 1: that within less than a year's time, a bit like
[11:31] Speaker 1: the Commonwealth Games in Victoria that Daniel Andrews and who
[11:35] Speaker 1: was the minister that's right just sent to Allen pulled out.
[11:38] Speaker 1: There's millions of dollars in contracts which have already been signed.
[11:41] Speaker 1: I don't know what for, presumably the sign writers and
[11:44] Speaker 1: the pillow fluffers. I don't know what the jobs were.
[11:48] Speaker 1: But the head of Cop thirty one operations, Andrew Hutchison,
[11:51] Speaker 1: told the Parliamentary Committee today, I'm sorry, there's a lot
[11:53] Speaker 1: of things I'm reading to you today, but the tape
[11:55] Speaker 1: is very hard to find. Surprise, surprise, But thankfully there's
[11:59] Speaker 1: a record of what this speen. Seven and a half
[12:01] Speaker 1: million bucks has already been committed to. So even though
[12:05] Speaker 1: we're not getting it, we knew we weren't getting it
[12:08] Speaker 1: for months and months. We knew that Turkey or Turkey
[12:11] Speaker 1: was the one who they preferred. No, no, no, we
[12:13] Speaker 1: kept signing documents. You pay seven and a half million dollars. Now,
[12:19] Speaker 1: all of this annoys me because in this country we
[12:25] Speaker 1: like to tell ourselves that we are so compassionate and
[12:27] Speaker 1: if somebody falls through the cracks, then we are there
[12:30] Speaker 1: to take care of them. The reality, as I have
[12:32] Speaker 1: told you for years now, is that that is not true.
[12:36] Speaker 1: I had a moving experience when we were in Atchuka
[12:39] Speaker 1: on Saturday, when I was talking to a local community
[12:42] Speaker 1: worker at Harvey Norman about their battle for funding that
[12:47] Speaker 1: little organization. If they don't do what they do when
[12:50] Speaker 1: it comes to providing food. Fifty families, fifty families won't
[12:55] Speaker 1: have food at all. Oh this one point six million
[12:59] Speaker 1: dollars to renovate the greens. There's one point six million
[13:03] Speaker 1: dollars for the travel to a cop There's seven and
[13:06] Speaker 1: a bit million dollars for the preparing of an event
[13:10] Speaker 1: that they never got the chance to host. But the
[13:15] Speaker 1: absolute truth here is that over three million Australians or
[13:20] Speaker 1: households will run out of food this week. I know
[13:22] Speaker 1: I say it a lot, and now I underline the point.
[13:26] Speaker 1: But does this tell you that we've got our priorities right?
[13:29] Speaker 1: Take the billion dollars Prime Minister, Minister that you were
[13:33] Speaker 1: going to spend on the Akfest and give it to
[13:35] Speaker 1: the charities that are actually taking care of people like
[13:38] Speaker 1: my mate and Achuka and the people of course involved
[13:40] Speaker 1: in food bank. What about the information we got to
[13:43] Speaker 1: day from the Queensland Council of Social Services single parents
[13:47] Speaker 1: and low income households in Queensland are facing a bleique
[13:49] Speaker 1: Christmas as cost of living precious bite new data. I
[13:53] Speaker 1: thought we turned the corner. I thought this was all over.
[13:56] Speaker 1: Of course, it's not a report by the Queensland Council
[13:59] Speaker 1: of Social Services or q COSTS shows that families with
[14:03] Speaker 1: children are being hardest hit. Single parents with two kids
[14:06] Speaker 1: in particular, they're weekly budget two hundred and twenty seven
[14:10] Speaker 1: dollars under what they can afford. Where does that money
[14:15] Speaker 1: come from? Probably a credit card, slowly but surely that
[14:18] Speaker 1: they'll pay a fraction off and they're in debt forever.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Why because they're trying to feed their families. As for
[14:24] Speaker 1: the boss of q COSS speaking about the release of
[14:27] Speaker 1: this today, people on low incomes are making impossible choices
[14:30] Speaker 1: between keeping a roof over their head and feeding their
[14:32] Speaker 1: children and paying for them to go to school. So
[14:35] Speaker 1: you know what really peeced me off is that, Oh,
[14:40] Speaker 1: I mean, come on mate, come on, we've got to
[14:42] Speaker 1: be architecturally the white party room of the grains one
[14:46] Speaker 1: point six. Oh, we've got to take a couple of
[14:49] Speaker 1: dozen people with us to a conference about climate change,
[14:52] Speaker 1: when presumably this could all be done remotely. We've got
[14:56] Speaker 1: to have contracts for seven million bucks because yeah, who cares,
[14:59] Speaker 1: we're not paying for for it. Then they turn around
[15:01] Speaker 1: and tell you that by rearranging who is making the
[15:04] Speaker 1: orders for the equipment our defense department has. Somehow they're
[15:09] Speaker 1: saving us money when the actual money that needs to
[15:11] Speaker 1: be saved right up at the other end. Again, this
[15:16] Speaker 1: joint it's in trouble. You know, it's in trouble. But
[15:20] Speaker 1: too many people want to look the other way, or
[15:22] Speaker 1: they get coined for looking the other way. And by
[15:25] Speaker 1: that I mean they are part of that triangle, part
[15:28] Speaker 1: of a system that keeps the money flowing to the
[15:31] Speaker 1: bank account. And while I am somebody who is absolutely
[15:34] Speaker 1: aware of how thin the line is, we all know
[15:38] Speaker 1: the truly people who need the welfare, like a single mum,
[15:42] Speaker 1: like a career. You're getting four fifths of bugger all,
[15:45] Speaker 1: you're not getting one point six million dollars in what
[15:48] Speaker 1: even a decade out of the federal government. Oh, the
[15:51] Speaker 1: Greens can get it for their party room. Yes, so
[15:53] Speaker 1: forgive me if I'm rather fixated on it. These people
[15:56] Speaker 1: do not care. And by that I mean the political class,
[15:58] Speaker 1: the ones who talk about charity, the ones who fund charity,
[16:02] Speaker 1: the ones who promised to fund charity, the people that
[16:04] Speaker 1: are actually filling the gap right now, Yeah, let's listen
[16:07] Speaker 1: to them. But all the rest of them, so they're
[16:11] Speaker 1: in it for themselves. I'm going to surprise you with
[16:15] Speaker 1: something here. You know, I played poker machines have for
[16:17] Speaker 1: a long time. It is not a problem. I've never
[16:21] Speaker 1: over committed. I've never had one of those nights, okay,
[16:24] Speaker 1: But I'm just honest that this is something I've done
[16:26] Speaker 1: with my mates for a long time. There's a whole
[16:28] Speaker 1: bunch of young blokes that are doing the same right
[16:31] Speaker 1: now now. Obviously there's a lot of people who end
[16:32] Speaker 1: up having trouble because they end up getting caught. And
[16:37] Speaker 1: I do have a very simple solution that would end
[16:40] Speaker 1: the problem gambling when it came to poker machines like that,
[16:44] Speaker 1: but I won't be giving it to anyone anytime soon.
[16:47] Speaker 1: But something interesting is happening in New South Wales. So
[16:49] Speaker 1: this is a state that despite the fact that the
[16:52] Speaker 1: previous liberal government promised a whole bunch of new reforms
[16:55] Speaker 1: which were much closer to what the social services and
[16:59] Speaker 1: then also the establishment left who look down on people
[17:02] Speaker 1: who pay poker machines, the same people who look down
[17:05] Speaker 1: on people in the greyhound industry, the ones who look
[17:08] Speaker 1: down on people like those on the fringes, those who
[17:12] Speaker 1: like unconventional things like motorsport, you know the snobs that
[17:16] Speaker 1: are all up and in charge. Well, a decision has
[17:21] Speaker 1: now been made to close a loophole that I'm surprised
[17:23] Speaker 1: ever existed, let alone has existed for the best part
[17:26] Speaker 1: of twenty years. And I cannot believe that there are
[17:28] Speaker 1: six one hundred and seventy venues in all of New
[17:31] Speaker 1: South Wales that have been fiddling with this loophole. Now,
[17:35] Speaker 1: let me explain this to you now. As a person
[17:38] Speaker 1: who again spends plenty of time in the city, plenty
[17:40] Speaker 1: of times in the suburbs, plenty of times in the regions,
[17:42] Speaker 1: I sort of know how the time zones work when
[17:45] Speaker 1: it comes to these things. Generally speaking, most of your
[17:47] Speaker 1: local pubs will be done by midnight. There are some
[17:51] Speaker 1: that might have a pokey room open till one two
[17:53] Speaker 1: in the morning. There are some suburban clubs which are
[17:56] Speaker 1: frankly more like local casinos now that don't even pretend
[17:59] Speaker 1: to be called ursels anymore. In some of their cases
[18:01] Speaker 1: they're open until two three, and yep, even someplace is
[18:05] Speaker 1: till four in the morning. But unbelievably, there are six
[18:09] Speaker 1: hundred and seventy venues in New South Wales where they
[18:13] Speaker 1: have a license to continue to be able to use
[18:15] Speaker 1: the pokys at four am, five am, six am, seven am,
[18:20] Speaker 1: eight am, nine am. Now again, I've had long nights
[18:25] Speaker 1: and I've had good nights. I've seen plenty of people
[18:27] Speaker 1: have bad nights too, but I have not seen many
[18:30] Speaker 1: people playing pokeys at four in the morning. That's something
[18:35] Speaker 1: that should be if you need it, off to the
[18:38] Speaker 1: local casino today. The information was given as an exclusive,
[18:44] Speaker 1: but was part of a campaign that the Turmbul Times
[18:46] Speaker 1: has been running. The change, which may result in pushback
[18:50] Speaker 1: from the powerful club and pub lobby, comes after criticism
[18:53] Speaker 1: of the government's own independent advisory Panel on gambling and
[18:57] Speaker 1: a damning ordered report which showed political pressure from the
[19:02] Speaker 1: Greens and the Liberals. That was the report, not the
[19:06] Speaker 1: pressure from it. Also follows the state government funded research
[19:10] Speaker 1: which showed poke machine players were significantly more likely to
[19:13] Speaker 1: experience harm after midnight. So thankfully we have this loophole
[19:18] Speaker 1: closed now. As always, many people who are fond of
[19:24] Speaker 1: playing or are nervous about the people who have never
[19:27] Speaker 1: played them, and have judging opinions about those who do play,
[19:31] Speaker 1: and remember the vast majority of people they're putting in
[19:33] Speaker 1: twenty bucks fifty one hundred that they're not blowing the
[19:37] Speaker 1: kids dinner. There are people that are doing that, and yes,
[19:40] Speaker 1: we have to have systems in place for all of that.
[19:42] Speaker 1: But in the same way that we don't ban all
[19:44] Speaker 1: cars because some speed, that shouldn't be the approach when
[19:47] Speaker 1: it comes to people wanting to entertain themselves or yet
[19:51] Speaker 1: maybe even win a bit of cash. The reality is
[19:55] Speaker 1: that we do have to have a conversation about the
[19:57] Speaker 1: opening hours. Now. Again, clubs are very different than pubs
[20:03] Speaker 1: because the revenue stream that comes in, mainly from poker
[20:06] Speaker 1: machines supposedly goes back out the door to community groups,
[20:11] Speaker 1: to the clubs that actually spend the money on the
[20:13] Speaker 1: community groups. I don't think that they should be having
[20:15] Speaker 1: their licenses wound in by much more than is currently
[20:19] Speaker 1: the case. Probably be done by midnight, maybe one o'clock,
[20:22] Speaker 1: maybe two, three four on a Friday Saturday night. Fine pubs,
[20:26] Speaker 1: of course, are only open exclusively four commercial reasons, which
[20:30] Speaker 1: means maybe you say, okay, Monday, Tuesday, Monday to Thursday,
[20:34] Speaker 1: it's done at midnight, You're not up till four am.
[20:38] Speaker 1: There probably should be a conversation around all of that.
[20:41] Speaker 1: But there should also be the opportunity on a Friday
[20:43] Speaker 1: and Saturday night when people are a little looser with
[20:46] Speaker 1: their time, to be able to be a little bit
[20:47] Speaker 1: looser with what they choose to do. But there's a
[20:50] Speaker 1: pretty obvious logic about what you children shouldn't be able
[20:53] Speaker 1: to do in the middle of the night on a Monday,
[20:56] Speaker 1: Tuesday or Wednesday night, which brings us into where the
[20:59] Speaker 1: gaming ministry is now. Remember this is not effect most
[21:02] Speaker 1: pubs that are open until midnight one or most clubs
[21:06] Speaker 1: that are open until two three four. It's between four
[21:11] Speaker 1: and ten am. Under the law, new so Wels venues
[21:14] Speaker 1: must shut down all gaming machines between four and ten am.
[21:18] Speaker 1: The six hour shutdown is a harm minimization measure intended
[21:22] Speaker 1: to provide players with an important break in play so
[21:25] Speaker 1: patrons go home, get out of the zone and reflect
[21:29] Speaker 1: upon their behavior. As for the Greens, they want more.
[21:34] Speaker 1: What a surprise, Green's gambling harm minimization spokesperson jeez, what
[21:39] Speaker 1: a fun what a fun business card this is for
[21:42] Speaker 1: Kate Furman or Fairman, I should say. She said the
[21:46] Speaker 1: move was welcome, but maintained that her bill she wants
[21:48] Speaker 1: to change the law was more in line with what
[21:50] Speaker 1: people want. Her bill would have required all pubs, all
[21:54] Speaker 1: clubs to finish midnight. Now I think that is a
[21:58] Speaker 1: little bit tough, a little bit particularly on Fridays and Saturdays,
[22:03] Speaker 1: but that is where things may well end up going
[22:05] Speaker 1: in New South Wales. Now, again, to the clubs that
[22:08] Speaker 1: actually spend money helping their local community, you're always going
[22:12] Speaker 1: to have an advocate in me. Increasingly there are parts
[22:15] Speaker 1: of clubland where JESSO pay a lot of money to
[22:19] Speaker 1: the people who are helping to run those clubs as
[22:22] Speaker 1: opposed to these supposed community organizations. It is also extraordinary
[22:27] Speaker 1: to me that organizations that have got community license because
[22:30] Speaker 1: of their commission and because of their connections to ex
[22:34] Speaker 1: service people or not a lot of money going towards
[22:38] Speaker 1: those organizations. And I know there was big tax fights
[22:40] Speaker 1: about this in the nineteen sixties and seventies, but I
[22:43] Speaker 1: think we do have to have a chat about this
[22:44] Speaker 1: because I want a vibrant club industry that does have
[22:47] Speaker 1: discounted food, does employ locals, does give money to local kids.
[22:52] Speaker 1: But I'm not all that keen on the local casino
[22:56] Speaker 1: that doesn't even have RSL or Diggers in its name.
[22:59] Speaker 1: Anymore that's allowed to stay open till three o'clock in
[23:01] Speaker 1: the morning and is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars
[23:03] Speaker 1: to the brass who help run the local casino. That
[23:06] Speaker 1: seems more like a local casino than a community club anyway,
[23:09] Speaker 1: So you can plain Spaulitskynews dot com dot au. Now,
[23:14] Speaker 1: we of course learned when it came to COVID that
[23:16] Speaker 1: one of the dumbest things that the people who claim
[23:19] Speaker 1: to know better than all of us have done, which
[23:21] Speaker 1: was to pull kids out of school. Now, of course
[23:24] Speaker 1: this was all about a thaife working environment, and then
[23:26] Speaker 1: it was about, oh, hang on, you might end up
[23:28] Speaker 1: giving Nana something. The reality is that pulling a generation
[23:32] Speaker 1: of kids out of school traumatized the very young. Of course,
[23:35] Speaker 1: massive issues with teenagers and we are going to have
[23:37] Speaker 1: problems for a long time to come. So could somebody
[23:41] Speaker 1: please explain to me what is the idea of being
[23:43] Speaker 1: pushed in New South Wales where some kids are going
[23:47] Speaker 1: to be told don't come to school because it's going
[23:49] Speaker 1: to be hot tomorrow. Now again, if there is a
[23:53] Speaker 1: fire in your local government area, if your school is
[23:56] Speaker 1: under threat from a fire, then it would make of
[23:58] Speaker 1: vir sense it's not going to open amorrow. Why because
[24:00] Speaker 1: we want the kids to be close to home. But
[24:03] Speaker 1: that's not what I'm talking about. Here in New South
[24:06] Speaker 1: Wales they have a thing called catastrophic fire warnings when essentially,
[24:10] Speaker 1: if there's a fire it will be massive. Why because
[24:13] Speaker 1: of the winds, because of the temperature. That is the
[24:16] Speaker 1: level that I think also exists in many other states. Well, now,
[24:20] Speaker 1: even when there is no fire within fifty k's of
[24:23] Speaker 1: the school, the school might be closed. Now what a
[24:26] Speaker 1: working parent is supposed to do on those days, who knows.
[24:29] Speaker 1: But parents in New South Wales are being warned that
[24:32] Speaker 1: schools will be forced to close on days of elevated
[24:35] Speaker 1: bush fire risk. Again, not because there is a fire,
[24:39] Speaker 1: but because there might be a fire. This is ridiculous. Again,
[24:43] Speaker 1: if one is burning close enough to property and you've
[24:47] Speaker 1: got an how to move kids, I understand the urgency,
[24:50] Speaker 1: But because the bureau says tomorrow might be armageddon, and
[24:54] Speaker 1: how many times they often make that warning, well, the
[24:57] Speaker 1: idea take the kids out of school? Also what a
[25:00] Speaker 1: dopey idea if there happens to be any kids that
[25:03] Speaker 1: end up on the edges of these fires. That has
[25:06] Speaker 1: happened in the past. Last Wednesday, twenty six public schools
[25:10] Speaker 1: across so Wales the Central Western River Arena areas were
[25:13] Speaker 1: made non operational. Wire State's Education department said bang due
[25:17] Speaker 1: to weather conditions. So what do you reckon? The bureaucrats
[25:20] Speaker 1: who told us no one outside because there is COVID
[25:26] Speaker 1: for months and months and months. The same people who
[25:28] Speaker 1: said no, no, no, no no no, the best way to
[25:31] Speaker 1: stop deaths on our roads is nobody drives on our roads,
[25:33] Speaker 1: is now going to be the scenario here now again.
[25:37] Speaker 1: We all want our kids to be safe, and I
[25:38] Speaker 1: am not playing fast and loose with anyone's safety. But
[25:42] Speaker 1: the idea that because there might be a fire, the
[25:45] Speaker 1: kid definitely doesn't go to school doesn't square for me.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Love to know what you think, Paul. It's gone on
[25:51] Speaker 1: news dot com that are you will continue though a
[25:53] Speaker 1: statement the News, so WEL's Education department said the decision
[25:56] Speaker 1: to move on a school site was to be non
[25:58] Speaker 1: operational was not being taken lightly on things, but twenty
[26:02] Speaker 1: six of them, again, not because there were fires, but
[26:05] Speaker 1: because there were weather conditions that might have made fires terrible.
[26:09] Speaker 1: Decision making around bush fire risk is informed by ensuring
[26:12] Speaker 1: the safety of our students and stuff is made in
[26:14] Speaker 1: consultation with emergency services, So again a little bit of
[26:17] Speaker 1: oss covering here. We don't have to worry if they're
[26:21] Speaker 1: not at school and school's been shut down. The Department
[26:23] Speaker 1: of Education works closely with the Rural Fire Service to
[26:25] Speaker 1: make sure that decisions are based on the latest information
[26:28] Speaker 1: of artible and communicated with school communities the day before
[26:32] Speaker 1: they need to take action. One school in the River
[26:34] Speaker 1: a Rena used last week's catastrophic declaration remember not fire,
[26:39] Speaker 1: just a warning of the conditions that if there was
[26:41] Speaker 1: a fire, things would get out of control. One school
[26:43] Speaker 1: in the River a Rena used last week's catastrophic declaration
[26:46] Speaker 1: to warn parents that if further high risk days were forecast,
[26:49] Speaker 1: it would close to ensure the safety of staff and
[26:52] Speaker 1: students and the wider community. What is the connection to
[26:55] Speaker 1: the wider community? Our school is in a bush fire
[26:58] Speaker 1: prone zone as identified as categor to on the New
[27:00] Speaker 1: So Worlds Department of Education's Bushfire Register. The note that
[27:04] Speaker 1: went home to kids said the fire danger ratings do
[27:07] Speaker 1: not mean that there will be a bush fire. Instead,
[27:09] Speaker 1: they indicate that weather conditions plays a high risk if
[27:12] Speaker 1: a fire were to start the idea. Clear the decks.
[27:17] Speaker 1: There might be a fire. I understand clear the next
[27:20] Speaker 1: because there's a fire. But there might be a fire.
[27:25] Speaker 1: That's odd. Can you know what you think about that?
[27:27] Speaker 1: Let's get the while you were working and nightly look
[27:29] Speaker 1: at how showbiz for ugly people works, where not only
[27:33] Speaker 1: do you have to work, then they pull their money
[27:34] Speaker 1: up against the wall, your money on new party rooms.
[27:38] Speaker 1: For the Greens, well, they've got a staff and to
[27:40] Speaker 1: make themselves look good on social media, like this bunch
[27:43] Speaker 1: of Victorian labor MPs.
[27:48] Speaker 5: Me how to do the day?
[27:52] Speaker 1: Or the Minister for freebies, the Communications Minister, who of
[27:55] Speaker 1: course is getting ready to ban kids from certain social media.
[28:00] Speaker 6: Apps trying the Albani's government's social media law is kicking
[28:05] Speaker 6: on ten December.
[28:05] Speaker 2: But what does that mean for you?
[28:09] Speaker 1: Don't you love these people are obsessed with their own
[28:12] Speaker 1: social media profile. But for the betterment of the kids,
[28:14] Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the bed each way, all
[28:19] Speaker 1: right tonight, Let's get to a whole bunch of things,
[28:20] Speaker 1: including do you believe or do we believe? A new
[28:24] Speaker 1: pole that says Jess Wilson, either nick and neck or
[28:27] Speaker 1: in front of the Premier in Victoria a year out.
[28:30] Speaker 1: Can the Libs win the Victorian election. We'll get to
[28:32] Speaker 1: that in a second. Lots of talk about Pauline Hansen,
[28:35] Speaker 1: including with one of her senators. She said she has
[28:37] Speaker 1: no interest in going to Victoria, but wait till you
[28:39] Speaker 1: find out the one group of Australians that are surging,
[28:43] Speaker 1: surging to support one nation more in a sec I'll
[28:46] Speaker 1: have a drink and let's get right back into it
[28:48] Speaker 1: for another fire up on Paul Murray life. I want
[28:54] Speaker 1: to take a second to congratulate to dear friends of
[28:57] Speaker 1: this program. Without their support, we would not be able
[29:00] Speaker 1: to go around the country and do our town. But
[29:03] Speaker 1: more importantly, two spectacular Australians who are committed to every
[29:08] Speaker 1: part of this country and it is our mates to
[29:11] Speaker 1: Katie and Katie Page and Jerry Harvey. They have just
[29:15] Speaker 1: been inducted into the Hall of Fame of the Gold
[29:19] Speaker 1: Coast Business Excellence Awards, and it happened on Saturday. Congratulations
[29:24] Speaker 1: to you, Katie, Congratulations to Jerry. They of course well
[29:29] Speaker 1: known for what they do in the retail world, but
[29:31] Speaker 1: they were honored for decades of service to the Gold
[29:34] Speaker 1: Coast community, the business community, and of course most notably
[29:38] Speaker 1: through the Magic Midians. I love these guys. They are
[29:42] Speaker 1: so kind to me, they are so enthusiastic about what
[29:44] Speaker 1: we do, and this was their moment to enter a
[29:48] Speaker 1: hall of fame in the most magical place of all
[29:51] Speaker 1: the GC.
[29:53] Speaker 6: So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage twenty
[29:56] Speaker 6: twenty five inductees into the Gold Coast Business Hall of Fame,
[30:00] Speaker 6: Harvey and Kadie Paige.
[30:20] Speaker 1: I love them. Congratulations and to all of their team
[30:23] Speaker 1: of course at Harvey Norman. Right, let's get into it
[30:24] Speaker 1: right now with two mates who I've got a lot
[30:27] Speaker 1: to talk about with this evening. Sean Bell is of
[30:29] Speaker 1: course a senator from New South Wales representing one nation.
[30:33] Speaker 1: I always try to make sure that it's representing the state,
[30:35] Speaker 1: then the party as well. Darren Barnett plenty of advice
[30:38] Speaker 1: to many a senator, that's true over the years. Now
[30:41] Speaker 1: out on his own, I've got plenty of things to
[30:43] Speaker 1: fire up about. Now. I want to ask you if
[30:47] Speaker 1: I told you there was an opinion poll Dowren where
[30:50] Speaker 1: the voter is starting to move now where the preferred
[30:54] Speaker 1: premiere apparently is Jess Wilson. Jacinda Allen is the best
[30:58] Speaker 1: part of what's sixteen points it's behind? You'd go, really,
[31:02] Speaker 1: what a bounce? But then if I told you it
[31:04] Speaker 1: was a fresh water pole and we know where they.
[31:07] Speaker 4: Were last the seed to But yes, for the voice.
[31:10] Speaker 1: That said, has there been a bump? Has there been
[31:13] Speaker 1: a change? What are your spidy senses saying about a
[31:16] Speaker 1: reset for the Libs a year.
[31:17] Speaker 4: Out, there's definitely been a reset. Look, and let's not
[31:21] Speaker 4: muck around. It's not a popular government and a large
[31:24] Speaker 4: part of the reason that Jacinda Allen has kept her
[31:26] Speaker 4: nose in front has been a lack of opposition. So
[31:30] Speaker 4: I think the media and the public are very comfortable
[31:33] Speaker 4: to give Jess Wilson a go see what she comes
[31:36] Speaker 4: up with, and she probably It's literally one year until
[31:41] Speaker 4: polling day in Victoria as of yesterday. I think over
[31:44] Speaker 4: the weekend, I think they probably go in as favorites,
[31:49] Speaker 4: the Libs. Seriously, well, Victoria, it's just a it's a
[31:52] Speaker 4: fagg in government. They've got too many terms, madam. We
[31:56] Speaker 4: people out, not people in. And if they don't muck
[31:59] Speaker 4: it up too bad badly, they should go in his favorites.
[32:02] Speaker 1: The Libs. Well, again, you know, it's hard to get
[32:05] Speaker 1: a third term. Hard to get a fourth term. Imagine
[32:07] Speaker 1: going around for even longer. And yes, Wilson forty seven
[32:09] Speaker 1: to Allen's one.
[32:10] Speaker 4: It's the lack of opposition. They've been in power all
[32:14] Speaker 4: but one term. Correct this higher century.
[32:17] Speaker 1: Well, so here's the important part though.
[32:19] Speaker 4: And that's two for any party. That's too much time
[32:21] Speaker 4: and power.
[32:22] Speaker 1: Also, if the Libs have got five bucks left somewhere
[32:26] Speaker 1: in a piggy bank somewhere, they need to spend it
[32:28] Speaker 1: over summer introducing Jess Wilson in all the paid socials
[32:33] Speaker 1: and TV and radio, because yes, the news world sort
[32:36] Speaker 1: of knows outside of it, they don't. So a fresh face,
[32:39] Speaker 1: a blank canvas, right, labor will of course try to
[32:42] Speaker 1: color that in color that in his cuts, cuts, carts
[32:45] Speaker 1: they'll cut. So she's got an advantage if she can
[32:47] Speaker 1: lock in the advantage.
[32:49] Speaker 4: Correct, But then you look at what that's what the
[32:51] Speaker 4: Teals did before the federal election. They spent that quiet
[32:54] Speaker 4: summer period. They just completely washed the electorate with a
[32:59] Speaker 4: mixture of pay advertising. Just be reading about freebie news,
[33:04] Speaker 4: social media ads. That's what they've got to do. Spend
[33:07] Speaker 4: your money on that, lift her profile and from there
[33:11] Speaker 4: you become more competitive.
[33:12] Speaker 1: I do not doubt your prognostications. It's just my faith
[33:16] Speaker 1: has been rocked a few times about the way.
[33:18] Speaker 4: There's got to get your pre selections in order. Being
[33:21] Speaker 4: got to get your messaging.
[33:22] Speaker 1: And it should have been done. Aye, you've got to
[33:23] Speaker 1: get all of you.
[33:24] Speaker 4: It's fixed terms. Yeah, come on, So you've got to
[33:27] Speaker 4: be you've got to take it seriously. If you take
[33:29] Speaker 4: it seriously, the Electric WI will rut that, all right.
[33:32] Speaker 1: So here was Pauline Hanson on the weekend in Victoria
[33:36] Speaker 1: saying she has no plans in this life or the
[33:38] Speaker 1: next to move to Victoria.
[33:40] Speaker 8: I'm not from Victoria, and I tell you the truth.
[33:43] Speaker 3: I don't want to move to Victoria.
[33:51] Speaker 7: I'll stick to Queen's.
[33:52] Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
[33:54] Speaker 1: What I particularly love about Pauline Hanson is, you know
[33:57] Speaker 1: she doesn't try to shape shift. She is who she is.
[34:00] Speaker 1: We all know who she is. We all know that
[34:02] Speaker 1: she's from Queensland, we all know her the cut of
[34:05] Speaker 1: her jib. I don't know who's actually going to be
[34:07] Speaker 1: running for the Upper House for one nation in Victoria,
[34:09] Speaker 1: whether they liked or did in that particular moment. But
[34:12] Speaker 1: what does it say again about a fearlessness in and
[34:16] Speaker 1: around Pauline and the people who represent her that she'll
[34:18] Speaker 1: go anywhere, she'll stand anywhere, she'll talk to all sorts
[34:22] Speaker 1: of crowds, when most Polly's will just run the other
[34:24] Speaker 1: way and talk about the crowd the next day.
[34:28] Speaker 2: Well, paul here's the thing about Pauline. She's always going
[34:31] Speaker 2: to tell you the truth, and she's always you're aways
[34:32] Speaker 2: going to know where she stands.
[34:34] Speaker 1: And you know, yep, she did say she doesn't want
[34:36] Speaker 1: to move to Victoria. I love it.
[34:38] Speaker 2: But you know who agrees with Pauline A lot of Victorians.
[34:41] Speaker 2: It moves why you see a record number of them
[34:44] Speaker 2: fleeing to be with Pauline and Queensland and the only
[34:46] Speaker 2: things slowing them down are the potholes.
[34:49] Speaker 1: So that's what she get. Yeah, well, I certainly have.
[34:53] Speaker 1: And that's because I see regional.
[34:55] Speaker 4: Victoria's potholes when we've done in New South Wales though.
[34:58] Speaker 1: The regional roads in Victoria. After driving a chuker to Melbourne,
[35:02] Speaker 1: driving Melbourne to Bendigo, driving Melbourne to swan Hill, they're terrible, right,
[35:08] Speaker 1: And that's because of course they simply turn around and say, well,
[35:10] Speaker 1: they don't vote for us so bug of them, So,
[35:12] Speaker 1: of course one of the many reasons why a change
[35:14] Speaker 1: might be the way to go. Now, I am not
[35:16] Speaker 1: going to fall into the trap that has been set
[35:20] Speaker 1: for us here, which is again a EMO turns around
[35:22] Speaker 1: and says, Wow, there's not enough renewables in there. There
[35:25] Speaker 1: might be a blackout or two this summer because guess
[35:27] Speaker 1: what all of that is used for? More of the
[35:30] Speaker 1: same of the past twelve months, a further and faster
[35:33] Speaker 1: expansion of this stuff. Now Sean again, everyone got very
[35:37] Speaker 1: excited today about a very specific part of the machinery
[35:41] Speaker 1: of what makes the electricity grid work, and oh, if
[35:44] Speaker 1: there's not enough of that, then somehow there'll be a blackout.
[35:46] Speaker 1: They've made this many summers in a row. Thankfully the
[35:49] Speaker 1: summers haven't been too hot. But the reality here is
[35:53] Speaker 1: that even if there was a blackout and it went
[35:55] Speaker 1: for a week, their conclusion wouldn't be we've gone too fast,
[35:58] Speaker 1: it's we haven't gone fast enough.
[36:02] Speaker 2: You're exactly right, Paul. What we are dealing with here
[36:06] Speaker 2: is the consequences of the Albanezy labor government and Chris
[36:10] Speaker 2: Blackout Bowen's energy policies, and we are seeing what one
[36:15] Speaker 2: nation has been warning about for a very long time,
[36:17] Speaker 2: is that if you're closing coal fire power stations, then
[36:20] Speaker 2: you're going to be risking blackouts, You're going to be
[36:23] Speaker 2: seeing increased electricity prices. If you look a Arring coal
[36:26] Speaker 2: fire power station in New South Wales, which is the
[36:28] Speaker 2: largest coal fire power station in the country. It supplies
[36:30] Speaker 2: twenty five percent of New South Wales electricity. And so
[36:35] Speaker 2: that the reality is we don't want to be closing
[36:37] Speaker 2: this down. We need to be protecting and rebuilding and
[36:39] Speaker 2: restoring the ones we have and building more because that
[36:42] Speaker 2: is the only way you're going to deliver cheap, reliable
[36:45] Speaker 2: power to the people of New South Wales and Australia.
[36:47] Speaker 2: And you know what the best thing is we can use.
[36:49] Speaker 2: We can do that with Australian coal from places like
[36:52] Speaker 2: the Hunter.
[36:54] Speaker 1: So my thing again about this there and you is
[36:56] Speaker 1: is that let's imagine the worst thing took place. Now
[37:00] Speaker 1: Austrainings will know, well again you've tried to tell us
[37:02] Speaker 1: that you're setting a new lap record at Bathist with
[37:04] Speaker 1: the three world car, but we'll be told no, no, no,
[37:07] Speaker 1: no no, the fourth wheel's coming and the fifth will
[37:09] Speaker 1: be even better. So even if the worst happened. I
[37:13] Speaker 1: can tell if Chris Bowen, if he's a day on holidays,
[37:16] Speaker 1: the day gets back. Well, this is because nothing happened
[37:18] Speaker 1: for ten years. There's not going to be the reckoning
[37:21] Speaker 1: that should be happening because they've already worked out their
[37:24] Speaker 1: excuse and most of the media will buy it.
[37:26] Speaker 4: I think there is that is true in an engineering sense,
[37:31] Speaker 4: that you have to provide that grid stability, and you
[37:34] Speaker 4: have to have really large parts of your system running
[37:39] Speaker 4: twenty four to seven and it keeps things humming on
[37:42] Speaker 4: a kind of a sign curve for alternating current. It's
[37:46] Speaker 4: all quite technical stuff, but the heavy hitters of the
[37:49] Speaker 4: grid being qulified power provides that continuous hum so as
[37:54] Speaker 4: things come on and offline, the bigger brother within it
[37:59] Speaker 4: is not a f if you take Cole out of it,
[38:02] Speaker 4: we don't have anything that replaces that hum. So in
[38:06] Speaker 4: an engineering sense they talk about these synchronous condensers and
[38:10] Speaker 4: other things with spin and keeping the big heavy hitters
[38:14] Speaker 4: of that grid. You need something to replace it and
[38:17] Speaker 4: they haven't yet figured out how, and the stuff that
[38:20] Speaker 4: they are bringing in won't be here until twenty twenty eight.
[38:23] Speaker 4: Near South Wales and a rawing is supposed to go
[38:26] Speaker 4: offline in twenty twenty seven.
[38:28] Speaker 1: Well, I find it extraordinary that it just think a.
[38:30] Speaker 4: Raling is going to keep running. I get it, but
[38:33] Speaker 4: I think government will be the ones. The state government
[38:35] Speaker 4: are the ones. Well, they'll pay for it to continue.
[38:38] Speaker 1: But this is what I find extraordinary. The labor premiers
[38:41] Speaker 1: of new sidbise in South Australia saying, yep, narrow, bright
[38:43] Speaker 1: grass gas, let's go right. Well, okay, who's standing in
[38:46] Speaker 1: the way supposedly defends Are okay with it? Supposedly the states? Yes,
[38:49] Speaker 1: I know some locals here and there, but the overwhelming majority,
[38:51] Speaker 1: so let's get on with it. Why because it would
[38:53] Speaker 1: provide the very firming that, of course, is currently under
[38:56] Speaker 1: threat when it comes to the coal fired power. Look,
[38:58] Speaker 1: I've got only about seconds, but you've heard my explanation
[39:01] Speaker 1: about poker machines and about what may or may not
[39:04] Speaker 1: be its future in the next little while. Sean, how
[39:07] Speaker 1: do you feel about Well, I think we all agree
[39:09] Speaker 1: between four am and ten am, but that's not really
[39:12] Speaker 1: going to change things. Again. I don't want to go
[39:15] Speaker 1: to full nanny state here, But what's your attitude on
[39:17] Speaker 1: the pokes?
[39:19] Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right, Paul. I think some of
[39:22] Speaker 2: the pubs, pubs and clubs, especially in rural areas of
[39:26] Speaker 2: New South Wales, that's jobs, you know, that's your bar stuff,
[39:30] Speaker 2: that's your way stuff. And as exactly right you said
[39:32] Speaker 2: that there's a very healthy tidy grants program that is
[39:34] Speaker 2: entirely funded by poke machines. So I just wish that
[39:38] Speaker 2: New South Wales label would spend a bit more time
[39:40] Speaker 2: trying to bring down the cost of living and less
[39:42] Speaker 2: time focused on what pubs and clubs are doing and
[39:44] Speaker 2: how we're funding those grants.
[39:45] Speaker 1: And look, I understand the politics here, which is everyone
[39:47] Speaker 1: who doesn't play them.
[39:49] Speaker 4: I believes it should be blown Aways are on it,
[39:52] Speaker 4: greens are on it, labors on it. Maybe it's time
[39:55] Speaker 4: for change. I think the interesting thing will be, what
[39:57] Speaker 4: is it seven hundred and sixty odd pubs and clubs
[40:00] Speaker 4: at the moment.
[40:01] Speaker 1: At a fix hopen at five am.
[40:03] Speaker 4: But they haven't figured out.
[40:05] Speaker 1: I won't lie. I'm having sometime.
[40:06] Speaker 4: What the exemptions are going to be. And let's just
[40:09] Speaker 4: wait and see what that final number is and how
[40:11] Speaker 4: close it is to seven hundred and sixty.
[40:13] Speaker 1: All right, let's all find out together. Thank you. Let's
[40:15] Speaker 1: see you again very soon. All right, quick breakback with
[40:17] Speaker 1: will Costa Mars. Let's go for a deep dive into
[40:19] Speaker 1: some numbers. Honestly going to be quite surprised by a
[40:22] Speaker 1: key demographic that is behind the surge in one nation.
[40:26] Speaker 1: I think these people have already made their change. I
[40:29] Speaker 1: don't think they're going to move for three years. I
[40:32] Speaker 1: really think it's that beat. We'll talk about it with
[40:33] Speaker 1: Cos next. KOs Sa Marus Boss at Redbridge, always got
[40:42] Speaker 1: the excellent insights about politics. I love that he gets
[40:45] Speaker 1: right into the details, and I mean right into the details,
[40:48] Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if it's a week after or
[40:50] Speaker 1: a week before the election. He is up to his
[40:52] Speaker 1: arms in that information. He joins us right now, COS
[40:56] Speaker 1: love you to see you. The headline on a piece
[40:58] Speaker 1: of analysis that comes with the Financial Review tomorrow Philip
[41:02] Speaker 1: Kurry as well. Here one in four jen X men
[41:08] Speaker 1: are backing in one nation. This is literally my age group,
[41:13] Speaker 1: This is my mates group chat. This is a whole
[41:15] Speaker 1: bunch of blokes in their forties and early fifties, and
[41:19] Speaker 1: it feels in my view they've made their break and
[41:23] Speaker 1: they aren't going back to anyone because this is their
[41:26] Speaker 1: way of lobbing a wrench at the system.
[41:30] Speaker 5: Yeah, you pretty much know the poor. I mean they're
[41:33] Speaker 5: also my mates, right, I've grown up with them, and
[41:36] Speaker 5: I'm a genexer, and I grew up in a labor family.
[41:39] Speaker 5: But a lot of my friends that I was growing
[41:41] Speaker 5: up left labor in their twenties start of aiding liberal
[41:46] Speaker 5: mainly because of the recession, particularly Victoria, but right across
[41:49] Speaker 5: the entire country. It wasn't huge numbers, but enough, particularly
[41:53] Speaker 5: in manufacturing communities, right, timber communities, communities where.
[41:59] Speaker 1: Basically have to use your hands ternally.
[42:02] Speaker 5: And these men have been with the Libs for some
[42:05] Speaker 5: time and they've jumped, and they've jumped because they've given
[42:09] Speaker 5: up hope that the Liberal Party is actually there to
[42:12] Speaker 5: represent them economically.
[42:13] Speaker 1: So let's be clear, gen X is what forty five
[42:16] Speaker 1: to sixty?
[42:17] Speaker 5: Is that generally it, yeah, forty five to about sixty
[42:20] Speaker 5: years of it's probably fifty eight, but you know, give
[42:22] Speaker 5: or take.
[42:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a rounding era could end up with a
[42:26] Speaker 1: fuse impression. We do not want a rounding era. This
[42:29] Speaker 1: is what now when you end up talking to these blokes.
[42:32] Speaker 1: Now again, we know that the profile of people over
[42:35] Speaker 1: the age of fifty five and about many of the
[42:39] Speaker 1: cultural issues that will pull them towards one nation. But again,
[42:43] Speaker 1: the conversations, and you've sort of spoken before about the
[42:46] Speaker 1: journey these people have been on again. To me, part
[42:52] Speaker 1: of this is the blokes that probably, yeah, they're pro Trump,
[42:56] Speaker 1: they're cheering on Farage, but they also just like so
[43:00] Speaker 1: one thing that feels a little bit old school, something
[43:02] Speaker 1: that is a bit black and white in this sort
[43:04] Speaker 1: of soft and mushy, sort of gray area. What are
[43:08] Speaker 1: people telling you in the focus groups about why they're
[43:11] Speaker 1: making them move?
[43:13] Speaker 5: So these individuals, you know, think about it. Right, you
[43:18] Speaker 5: come into the workforce in the nineteen nineties, you've got
[43:21] Speaker 5: a recession. If you survive that, you get hit by globalization.
[43:28] Speaker 5: If you in regional Australia, the GFC actually hit regional Australia.
[43:32] Speaker 5: You know a lot of the talk about Australia dodgs
[43:35] Speaker 5: the GFC not necessarily true. If you were in manufacturing,
[43:38] Speaker 5: the regional Australia copped it, so they.
[43:42] Speaker 1: Get hit with that.
[43:44] Speaker 5: Then if you're an automotive for example, the automotive industry
[43:47] Speaker 5: and particularly Adelaide and Melbourne, you get hit with that.
[43:51] Speaker 5: In twenty thirteen. You know, there's wave after wave, then
[43:55] Speaker 5: of course the pandemic and so on and so on.
[43:57] Speaker 5: Your whole life has been disrupted. And these men we
[44:03] Speaker 5: talk to, they're in their fifties that they're either renting
[44:07] Speaker 5: or they've got massive mortgages. They're largely in the outer
[44:10] Speaker 5: suburbs and regions and they're looking at their life ahead
[44:14] Speaker 5: of them and they're thinking, I think I'm running out
[44:17] Speaker 5: of runway here. I've got ten years and I use
[44:21] Speaker 5: my hands during a living and I don't think I'm
[44:25] Speaker 5: going to pay off the mortgage. Well, I don't think
[44:26] Speaker 5: I'm going to have our owner home, and so that's
[44:30] Speaker 5: they're pretty despondent. So I think you're right in your assessment.
[44:33] Speaker 5: They're not coming back because well, what are you offer
[44:37] Speaker 5: a generation that's basically been buffeted by so many changes
[44:40] Speaker 5: and then suddenly there's nothing really.
[44:41] Speaker 1: Left for them. Yeah, one hundred percent. But also, look,
[44:44] Speaker 1: you know this is going to get me into trouble.
[44:46] Speaker 1: But it's an observation that actually is policy based. There's
[44:49] Speaker 1: only one there's only one high profile politician in Australia
[44:53] Speaker 1: who talks about the family court, and that's Paul end handsome.
[44:56] Speaker 1: There is a dimension of blokes in their fifties that
[45:00] Speaker 1: is a section of the community that is not discussed. Right.
[45:04] Speaker 1: It's the bloke who lived with his family and now
[45:09] Speaker 1: doesn't for all of the different reasons, right, and all
[45:11] Speaker 1: of the resets in life that come as a result.
[45:14] Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that you know every Paul Enhansen voter
[45:17] Speaker 1: has some sort of immediate connection to being screwed over
[45:20] Speaker 1: by the family Court. But once you start to look
[45:22] Speaker 1: at what drives people, once you start to go well,
[45:24] Speaker 1: ok eight ender twenty four the future and climate change,
[45:28] Speaker 1: a bunch of blokes in their fifties have had relationships
[45:31] Speaker 1: and families and had to start again and all of
[45:34] Speaker 1: the adjudications that go into that. Again, polite society won't
[45:37] Speaker 1: talk about it, but I think it's going to be
[45:39] Speaker 1: part of this yere because she has been relentlessly focused
[45:43] Speaker 1: on evening up, as she sees it, the family Court.
[45:46] Speaker 1: Am I off with the fairies?
[45:48] Speaker 5: There is a subset of that group, Yes, there's a subset, right.
[45:51] Speaker 5: It's not the entirety of that group, but there is
[45:52] Speaker 5: a group of those particular individuals that yes, fit into
[45:55] Speaker 5: that category, and for right or wrong, reasons they could
[45:58] Speaker 5: be the main reason they got the right. They feel
[46:01] Speaker 5: like they've been victimized by the system. But look overall,
[46:06] Speaker 5: excluding those individuals, again, it's the overall problem the Liberal
[46:13] Speaker 5: Party has, and now it is these individuals have been
[46:16] Speaker 5: with them for good twenty thirty years and they've been
[46:19] Speaker 5: pretty loyal and they've just given up. I think may
[46:23] Speaker 5: of the food was a bit of a shock to them.
[46:25] Speaker 5: They probably thought it themselves, well, you know, and there
[46:28] Speaker 5: wasn't the result. It was the actual state of the campaign,
[46:33] Speaker 5: and it was what the campaign offered them economically, which
[46:37] Speaker 5: was nothing right. And so that's what really stuck the
[46:40] Speaker 5: nail on the coffin there for these particular votes for
[46:43] Speaker 5: the Liberal Party.
[46:45] Speaker 1: Well, also, I'm fascinated, you know when if I can
[46:48] Speaker 1: give you some homework or just an idea on the
[46:50] Speaker 1: Telly right, which is that I mean, let's deal with
[46:52] Speaker 1: the reality here that there's a whole bunch of people
[46:54] Speaker 1: between say forty five fifty five where the blokes are
[46:57] Speaker 1: heading towards one nation and the women are heading towards
[47:01] Speaker 1: the teals. I mean, talk about a fracturing that's happening
[47:04] Speaker 1: here where Okay, their preferences and eventually the lesser of
[47:06] Speaker 1: two evils, and that's how you get sort of ninety
[47:09] Speaker 1: to forty seats and rah rah rah. But I mean
[47:12] Speaker 1: we are talking about very different worldviews and how this
[47:15] Speaker 1: plays out at home and whether people do or don't
[47:17] Speaker 1: talk about politics, or what I think is more likely
[47:19] Speaker 1: is that there are group chats where people are way
[47:22] Speaker 1: more honest with their friends about how they feel as
[47:25] Speaker 1: opposed to what they're willing to tell people. I think
[47:28] Speaker 1: there's some soil to be dug there, mate.
[47:31] Speaker 5: Yeah, look, you know, I mean I had a bit
[47:33] Speaker 5: of an inside running on what I thought was the
[47:35] Speaker 5: cause of this hemorrhaging for the little Party to One
[47:37] Speaker 5: Nation because a lot of them are my friends, my
[47:40] Speaker 5: personal friends, and I could see them on social media
[47:42] Speaker 5: and I've been watching them for years, so they've been
[47:45] Speaker 5: in this space for years. They've been losing. They start
[47:47] Speaker 5: to share One Nation material, they started to basically on
[47:50] Speaker 5: social media. They started to get into that space. They
[47:53] Speaker 5: start to show a lot more anger frustration about the
[47:56] Speaker 5: world around them. And I thought, when I saw that move,
[47:59] Speaker 5: I knew was I knew it was coming. I thought,
[48:03] Speaker 5: let me go and see, let's go and see what
[48:04] Speaker 5: the data tells us, and it was no surprise to
[48:06] Speaker 5: us when we pull the data out of the box.
[48:08] Speaker 4: That's the story he was telling.
[48:10] Speaker 1: Well, it is a fascinating story, and again I think
[48:12] Speaker 1: it is well, nothing permanent, but certainly in terms of
[48:15] Speaker 1: this three year phase, I think there's a big break
[48:17] Speaker 1: and it has already happened, and that they aren't going
[48:19] Speaker 1: back for whatever reason. But certainly they're not going back
[48:22] Speaker 1: because thank you so much. I've been amazing of us
[48:24] Speaker 1: this year. I've certainly taken the piss when it comes
[48:26] Speaker 1: to the friendship, but I very much appreciate how often
[48:28] Speaker 1: you've been here for us. He's the best in the busines,
[48:31] Speaker 1: isn't he? With Red Bridge, all the best to you
[48:32] Speaker 1: and your family for Christmas. Bot all right, quick break
[48:35] Speaker 1: back with more pleading to talk about here on Port
[48:36] Speaker 1: Murray Live, including a little bit of American politics work
[48:39] Speaker 1: mentioning I love it when the lefty media makes it
[48:46] Speaker 1: so easy for Donald Trump. Now you know that in
[48:49] Speaker 1: the past Trump has said unpleasant things, particularly to female reporters.
[48:55] Speaker 8: Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Because they
[48:58] Speaker 8: came into on a plane along with thousands of other
[49:01] Speaker 8: people that shouldn't be here, and you're just asking questions
[49:04] Speaker 8: because you're a stupid person, Hyett.
[49:10] Speaker 1: But interestingly, a bluck you used to wait for Snam
[49:13] Speaker 1: to got sacked by saying in imagine being that bad. Well,
[49:16] Speaker 1: he suggestions the media, you should stop covering Trump at all.
[49:20] Speaker 9: The only solution to all of this is collective action.
[49:22] Speaker 9: We need to see the networks get together, perhaps with
[49:25] Speaker 9: some of the major newspapers. Send a letter to the
[49:27] Speaker 9: White House, send it to Caroline Lovett U and say, listen,
[49:31] Speaker 9: if the President does not stop these attacks, we're not
[49:34] Speaker 9: coming into your oval office praise. We're not going to
[49:36] Speaker 9: ride with you on Air Force one. You're gonna have
[49:38] Speaker 9: Fox and all of these other sycophantic outlets covering you,
[49:41] Speaker 9: but we're just not going to do it.
[49:42] Speaker 1: We're going to take a break for a while. Yeah,
[49:45] Speaker 1: he'll really hate that. He's the light to Bate

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