# Paul Murray Live | 8 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 8 Apr 2026, 49 min.

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Queensland Premier David Crisafulli says the Federal Government Minister needs to fast track approvals to drill for oil, the current generation can't afford a gap year. Plus, Kanye West begs for the UK to let him back in. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Well, good evening to you. Thanks for joining me.
[0:08] Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Paul Murray Live in
[0:10] Speaker 3: the man Cave. Here's what's coming up tonight. Queensland Premier
[0:14] Speaker 3: David chris O Fooley says the federal government needs to
[0:17] Speaker 3: fast track approvals to drill for oil. What chance labor
[0:21] Speaker 3: will agree? Remember the gap here, you'd finished school and
[0:24] Speaker 3: take twelve months to travel around Europe. It used to
[0:27] Speaker 3: be a kind of a rite of passage. But the
[0:29] Speaker 3: current generation, well they can't afford it. Have we lost
[0:32] Speaker 3: something precious? And Kanye West begs for the UK to
[0:36] Speaker 3: let him back in. Should the rapper with a history
[0:39] Speaker 3: of anti Semitism be given a second chance. We'll get
[0:42] Speaker 3: to all of that shortly, but first, Harry Truman dropped
[0:46] Speaker 3: two nuclear bombs on Japan. At least he was polite
[0:50] Speaker 3: about it. Donald Trump, however, well did you see what
[0:53] Speaker 3: he said? He said and I quote, a whole civilization
[0:57] Speaker 3: will die tonight if Iran don't agree to immediately open
[1:01] Speaker 3: up the Strait of Hamus. Now, no civilization actually died,
[1:06] Speaker 3: and no bridges or power plants of note were blown up.
[1:08] Speaker 3: In fact, within hours of the threats, ran A degreed
[1:12] Speaker 3: to the ceasefire that everyone had been urging Donald Trump
[1:15] Speaker 3: to get. But that's beside the point. Did you hear
[1:19] Speaker 3: what Donald Trump said? He was Anthony Albanesi earlier today,
[1:23] Speaker 3: who's gone from clutching his fuel bowser to clutching his pearls.
[1:28] Speaker 4: I don't think it's appropriate to use language such as
[1:33] Speaker 4: that from the President of the United States, and I
[1:37] Speaker 4: think it will cause some concern, which is there.
[1:43] Speaker 3: Well, Trump's rhetorical flourish did cause quite some concerns. His
[1:48] Speaker 3: threat of civilizational destruction caused so much concern the eye
[1:52] Speaker 3: tolers all agreed to a ceasefire, you know, the sort
[1:55] Speaker 3: of concern that turned Death to America into maybe we
[1:58] Speaker 3: should circle back on this whole ceasefire thing, which is
[2:02] Speaker 3: what everyone wanted, right, But why give Trump bouquets when
[2:07] Speaker 3: you can just as easily give him brick bats. Besides,
[2:10] Speaker 3: brick bats play much better with some voters in western
[2:12] Speaker 3: Sydney who are still mourning the death of the last
[2:15] Speaker 3: eye tooler before the reportedly gay.
[2:17] Speaker 4: One web said very clearly that the conduct of any
[2:22] Speaker 4: conflict must be within international law, and that provides for
[2:29] Speaker 4: making sure that civilians who aren't parties to the conflict
[2:36] Speaker 4: are given every protection possible.
[2:39] Speaker 3: Allow me to compare and contrast. The Australian Prime Minister
[2:42] Speaker 3: has been very clear that the war against the Islamist
[2:45] Speaker 3: terrorists running around must be conducted according to international law.
[2:50] Speaker 3: The US President has been very clear that if the
[2:53] Speaker 3: Islamist terrorists running around don't open the effing straight of Hamus,
[2:56] Speaker 3: then he'll turn their civilization into a cautionary tail. And
[3:00] Speaker 3: which of those approaches got the job done? Elbow looking
[3:04] Speaker 3: over his glasses lecturing about the importance of filling in
[3:08] Speaker 3: the right paperwork in Brussels, or Trump breathing thunder while
[3:12] Speaker 3: standing next to the easter bunny.
[3:15] Speaker 5: I don't think it gets much more heart sole than around.
[3:18] Speaker 5: They're capable fighters, they're very tough people, and there are
[3:22] Speaker 5: others like that. You don't mind when the enemy is weak,
[3:25] Speaker 5: but that enemy is strong, not so strong like they
[3:28] Speaker 5: were about a month ago. I can tell you, in fact,
[3:30] Speaker 5: right now they're not too strong at all in my opinion,
[3:33] Speaker 5: But we're soon going to find out, aren't we.
[3:36] Speaker 3: Just as an aside, it is remarkable, is it? Not
[3:40] Speaker 3: the iya tolders who've threatened the world for the past
[3:42] Speaker 3: forty seven years folded faster than a camping chair at
[3:46] Speaker 3: a vegan barbecue to a property developer, and the easter bunny.
[3:50] Speaker 3: History will struggle to process that footnote. But back to
[3:54] Speaker 3: my main point. Anthony Albanese is very polite. Donald Trump
[3:58] Speaker 3: is very effective. Anthony Albaneze seems to find effectiveness to
[4:03] Speaker 3: be such a foreign concept that even after news of
[4:06] Speaker 3: a ceasefire, he was still huffing and puffing about what
[4:09] Speaker 3: might have happened if what did happen didn't happen.
[4:13] Speaker 4: The potential of damage to Savilian infrastructure in Iran was
[4:20] Speaker 4: an extraordinary statement to make.
[4:25] Speaker 3: Yes, Trump threatened to blow up bridges and power plants
[4:28] Speaker 3: and railway lines. The key point here is that he
[4:31] Speaker 3: threatened to do it and the threat worked.
[4:35] Speaker 2: Now we're winning, winning, winning.
[4:42] Speaker 1: Oh, but Trump's threat might not have worked.
[4:45] Speaker 4: Also, the impact that would have arisen from an escalation
[4:51] Speaker 4: with an Iranian response would have led to greater a
[4:55] Speaker 4: global economic damage.
[4:58] Speaker 3: Now that statement reveals a great deal about Anthony Albanese's
[5:02] Speaker 3: attitude towards dealing with Islamist terror. It seems he doesn't
[5:06] Speaker 3: want to defeat it. He just wants to plasate it
[5:09] Speaker 3: in the hope that it destroys him.
[5:11] Speaker 1: Last, in my opinion.
[5:14] Speaker 4: We're already seeing a substantial impact of a war which
[5:18] Speaker 4: is on the other side of the world. But he
[5:20] Speaker 4: is having an impact on Australians here like it is
[5:23] Speaker 4: on citizens throughout the world.
[5:26] Speaker 3: Thank you for the geography lesson the war with Iran
[5:29] Speaker 3: is on the other side of the world.
[5:31] Speaker 1: That much is true.
[5:33] Speaker 3: But has the Prime Minister really got such a short
[5:35] Speaker 3: memory because he forgotten it was not that long ago
[5:38] Speaker 3: that Iran, from the other side of the world arranged
[5:41] Speaker 3: a terror attack against the Jews right here in Melbourne.
[5:46] Speaker 3: Long before the war had any impact here. The Iranian
[5:50] Speaker 3: Revolutionary Guards were having plenty of impact here.
[5:53] Speaker 1: I say, let's take the.
[5:55] Speaker 3: Short term impact of the war to ensure there's no
[5:58] Speaker 3: long term impact of Iranian sponsored is the must terror.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Who's with me?
[6:03] Speaker 6: Thendo la parche augi komtuti sapiamo to start to questamincha
[6:10] Speaker 6: cont Iran questa vernmente.
[6:17] Speaker 3: Okay, so the Pope's not with me, but no one
[6:19] Speaker 3: knows who he's with these days, to be fair, but
[6:21] Speaker 3: he's the truly remarkable part of Anthoni Albanese's performance today.
[6:26] Speaker 3: While slamming Trump for getting a not politely enough ceasefire deal,
[6:30] Speaker 3: LPM made out like he had something to do with it.
[6:34] Speaker 1: I'm not joking.
[6:35] Speaker 4: Have listen, this is positive news. We've been calling for
[6:39] Speaker 4: a de escalation for some time. We want to see
[6:43] Speaker 4: a resolution of the conflict.
[6:46] Speaker 2: Ah.
[6:46] Speaker 3: Yes, the ancient art of calling for things. So the
[6:50] Speaker 3: Albanzi government has been calling for de escalation and now
[6:54] Speaker 3: there's a ceasefire. Do you see the connection. No, all right,
[6:58] Speaker 3: let's allow Anti Albani to try that one again.
[7:02] Speaker 4: What we have called for is a de escalation and
[7:06] Speaker 4: that is what has occurred, and that's a good thing.
[7:11] Speaker 3: The Prime Minister and his ministers do love a good
[7:13] Speaker 3: de escalation. In fact, the PM never wants the escalation
[7:17] Speaker 3: to ever ever end.
[7:19] Speaker 4: This is very positive and we hope that it leads
[7:24] Speaker 4: to a permanent de escalation.
[7:28] Speaker 3: I don't think you can actually have a permanent de escalation.
[7:32] Speaker 3: I mean if things just deescalate forever, the universe collapses
[7:36] Speaker 3: in on itself and you end up with what cosmologists
[7:38] Speaker 3: called a big crunch, or as we in Australia, like
[7:41] Speaker 3: to call it the Bowen energy grid, which reminds me
[7:45] Speaker 3: I need to get to Chris Bowen.
[7:46] Speaker 1: But stay with me. He's coming up soon, I promise.
[7:49] Speaker 3: The PM's penchant for meaningless phrases was on full display
[7:53] Speaker 3: today when he was asked about his phone call with
[7:55] Speaker 3: the Chinese premiere overnight.
[7:58] Speaker 4: Certainly a very constructructive conversation that I have with the
[8:02] Speaker 4: Chinese premiere. It was a very constructive conversation.
[8:06] Speaker 1: What does that actually mean?
[8:08] Speaker 3: The PM was asked whether China will resume supplying US
[8:11] Speaker 3: with jet fuel, but certainly.
[8:13] Speaker 4: A positive discussion about the importance of trade between our
[8:17] Speaker 4: two nations.
[8:20] Speaker 3: So will we have jet fuel? Laura planes now running
[8:23] Speaker 3: on solar. The PM was asked whether our relationship with
[8:26] Speaker 3: the US had suffered damage over the war in Iran.
[8:29] Speaker 4: We are two great democracies and that will continue into
[8:33] Speaker 4: the future.
[8:35] Speaker 1: What does that mean I mean?
[8:37] Speaker 3: At this point, Anthony Albaneze wasn't speaking English so much
[8:41] Speaker 3: as he was performing it, and when asked specifically about
[8:45] Speaker 3: his relationship with Donald Trump, the ever ambiguous Albanese he
[8:48] Speaker 3: fell back on an old routine.
[8:51] Speaker 4: I've had a constructive relationship with President.
[8:54] Speaker 3: Trump, just a minor point, But did you note that
[8:58] Speaker 3: he didn't say he has a constructive relationship with Trump.
[9:01] Speaker 3: He said I've had a constructive relationship. Now maybe that's
[9:05] Speaker 3: a small thing, but honestly, when you're trying to divine
[9:08] Speaker 3: actual meaning from anything, Anthony Albanez, he says, you do
[9:11] Speaker 3: find yourself straining. What if we move the conversation to
[9:15] Speaker 3: I don't know, something more tangible, like the national fuel supply, you.
[9:19] Speaker 7: Might get back up to ninety days supply?
[9:22] Speaker 8: Have you got any sort of other vision in terms
[9:24] Speaker 8: of what sovereignty you want over that?
[9:26] Speaker 4: What I want to see is a more resilient economy.
[9:29] Speaker 4: That's something that I was elected on the platform in
[9:32] Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. It's something that we've continued to build on.
[9:37] Speaker 3: How many days fuel supply you'd like? Is the kind
[9:40] Speaker 3: of question that a normal person would answer with, I
[9:43] Speaker 3: don't know a number. Thirty days, sixty days, ninety days,
[9:47] Speaker 3: resilient economy days.
[9:49] Speaker 1: It's not an answer.
[9:51] Speaker 3: But let's not be too hard on the Prime Minister,
[9:53] Speaker 3: because there is, of course. The Energy Minister, Chris Bowen
[9:56] Speaker 3: was asked today whether the sudden realization that nothing in
[9:59] Speaker 3: our country works if we run out of petrol. If
[10:03] Speaker 3: it's made him reconsider the government's obsession with renewables, I
[10:06] Speaker 3: think it's fair to say that, Well he didn't like
[10:08] Speaker 3: the question.
[10:10] Speaker 9: It's a pretty loaded that's a comment, not a question.
[10:14] Speaker 2: Well, well it's a very load. It's a very loaded comment.
[10:18] Speaker 9: What it shows is that we need to continue to
[10:20] Speaker 9: work on energy security. I make this point.
[10:23] Speaker 2: I reject the premise of your question.
[10:25] Speaker 9: It's not question, no, no, I reject it's sorry, are
[10:29] Speaker 9: you asking a question or are you having a debate?
[10:32] Speaker 1: Now?
[10:32] Speaker 3: What Chris Bowen was doing there? It's a loaded question.
[10:35] Speaker 3: It's not a question, it's a comment. Are you asking
[10:37] Speaker 3: a question or are you having a debate? He was
[10:39] Speaker 3: buying himself some thinking time. You should have bought some
[10:42] Speaker 3: more time.
[10:44] Speaker 9: Energy must be secure. Renewable energy is a secure form
[10:48] Speaker 9: of energy. The Australian Sun cannot be interrupted by a
[10:52] Speaker 9: war or anything else. The solar energy has to travel
[10:55] Speaker 9: one hundred and fifty million kilometers from the Sun. It
[10:58] Speaker 9: doesn't have to travel the one hundred fifty there's a
[11:00] Speaker 9: straight off onwards.
[11:02] Speaker 3: A renewable energy is secure because the eye tollers can't
[11:06] Speaker 3: disrupt renewable energy. That is so true, the eye tollers
[11:10] Speaker 3: can't stop the sun. That can only be done by
[11:14] Speaker 3: clouds and nighttime. But fortunately we don't have too much
[11:19] Speaker 3: of that. But wait, you can't use solar or winter
[11:22] Speaker 3: power long hause semi trailers that cross the continent delivering
[11:25] Speaker 3: our food for example. You have to have fuel, which
[11:29] Speaker 3: we've given up trying to find because we're so enamored
[11:32] Speaker 3: with the sunbeams. This was put to Chris Bowen today.
[11:35] Speaker 1: Watch how Chris.
[11:36] Speaker 3: Bowen completely misrepresents the question in order to try to
[11:40] Speaker 3: make the journalist look like the idiot.
[11:43] Speaker 4: Let me get this right.
[11:44] Speaker 10: Your renewable transition policy will not alter one iota Pspie
[11:52] Speaker 10: what this water has shown with the failure of your.
[11:54] Speaker 9: Ans of policy, I'm not sure how you could as
[11:56] Speaker 9: certainly and that the war in Iran is the folk
[12:00] Speaker 9: to Australian renewable energy.
[12:01] Speaker 1: I really don't understand that.
[12:03] Speaker 3: Please the journalist who needed the patience of someone waiting
[12:07] Speaker 3: for an EV charger on East a Saturday.
[12:10] Speaker 1: Try it again.
[12:12] Speaker 9: What fuel actually matters and run as everyone has always acknowledged.
[12:16] Speaker 9: But if you're suggesting that somehow renewable energy policy has
[12:19] Speaker 9: led to an interruption to the supply of oil from
[12:22] Speaker 9: the Middle East.
[12:23] Speaker 1: I'm just going to respectfully disagree with you.
[12:26] Speaker 3: Our obsession with renewables means we don't have any of
[12:29] Speaker 3: our own fuel, and the war in Iran means we
[12:31] Speaker 3: can't get any of theirs.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Is this a problem?
[12:35] Speaker 3: How dare you suggest our renewable policy caused the Iranians
[12:38] Speaker 3: to block the straight up hermus and then well, to
[12:41] Speaker 3: be honest, it just got silly.
[12:44] Speaker 9: Why I'm holding a press conference.
[12:47] Speaker 1: You've had several questions.
[12:48] Speaker 9: I've held a presence of questions. I hold a press
[12:52] Speaker 9: conference every day. This is the first time you've turned on.
[12:56] Speaker 10: Instead of you being able to deflect to my colleagues,
[12:59] Speaker 10: you're talking about.
[13:01] Speaker 9: I don't think taking questions from a wide diversity of journalists.
[13:05] Speaker 2: What do we got?
[13:06] Speaker 9: You know, fifteen in the room is not being available.
[13:09] Speaker 9: I've been holding a press conference every day every Easter.
[13:13] Speaker 1: You've you've chosen to come to this one.
[13:15] Speaker 10: Good on you.
[13:16] Speaker 1: That's your perfect run to chase you down. You've come.
[13:20] Speaker 9: You've come to a press conference. Congratulations. Other journalists have
[13:23] Speaker 9: been at every press conference I've held.
[13:25] Speaker 1: Now maybe it's just me.
[13:26] Speaker 3: I was both encouraged and infuriated by that, encouraged that
[13:30] Speaker 3: finally someone in the press pack is holding Chris Bowen's
[13:33] Speaker 3: feet to the sun, infuriated by his dismissive smug manner.
[13:38] Speaker 1: Still like diesel these days, you take what you can get,
[13:41] Speaker 1: don't you.
[13:42] Speaker 3: If you want to know just how smug the Energy
[13:44] Speaker 3: Minister is, listen to this, all said with a straight face.
[13:49] Speaker 9: Net zero and climate action is unquestionably in Australia's economic
[13:54] Speaker 9: best interests. It's the lower missions, it's the cheapest form
[13:57] Speaker 9: of energy and it's also secure.
[14:00] Speaker 3: See the difference between Donald Trump and the Albanesi government
[14:04] Speaker 3: is this Trump only threatens civilizational destruction. Anthony Albanezi and
[14:11] Speaker 3: Chris Bowen, Well they're busy doing it very constructively.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Of course.
[14:20] Speaker 3: All right, Well, everyone loves a good police chase if
[14:23] Speaker 3: you're at the movies, but through the streets of Melbourne
[14:26] Speaker 3: not so much. And yet number of police chases in
[14:29] Speaker 3: Victoria are now nearing a thousand per year. So called
[14:33] Speaker 3: hoon drivers a leading Victorian police on dangerous high speed pursuits,
[14:38] Speaker 3: seemingly confident nothing will ever happen to them.
[14:41] Speaker 1: Examples.
[14:42] Speaker 3: Last month, teenagers allegedly stole a Lamborghini I guess at
[14:46] Speaker 3: least they've got good taste and led police on a
[14:49] Speaker 3: fifteen hour chase, and a seventeen year old in a
[14:52] Speaker 3: stolen BMW was pursued for eleven kilometers, narrowly missing numerous pedestrians.
[14:58] Speaker 1: Before ditching the car in streets.
[15:00] Speaker 3: More Well, Victorian Liberal leader Jess Wilson says all of
[15:04] Speaker 3: this will change under a coalition government, she told the
[15:08] Speaker 3: Herald Son today. Under a government I lead, police will
[15:11] Speaker 3: know the law is on their side and defenders will
[15:14] Speaker 3: be held accountable for their actions. Dangerous pursuits place everyone
[15:18] Speaker 3: at risk. Backing our police and ensuring there are consequences
[15:22] Speaker 3: for serious crime are critical to restoring community safety. Joining
[15:27] Speaker 3: me now is Victoria Shadow Police Minister Brad Batten. Brad,
[15:31] Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming on the program. Before we
[15:33] Speaker 3: get to your proposed solution, just want to take a
[15:36] Speaker 3: moment for you to talk us through the problem. A
[15:39] Speaker 3: thousand police car pursuits a year in Victoria. I find
[15:43] Speaker 3: that astonishing.
[15:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually pretty scary, isn't it.
[15:47] Speaker 11: You think about the fact that we've increased in crime
[15:51] Speaker 11: in every single way, and now even last night we
[15:54] Speaker 11: saw someone decided it was a good idea to hop
[15:57] Speaker 11: on a motorbike and do three hundred kilometers an hour
[16:00] Speaker 11: on roads in Victoria, and I think you've actually hired
[16:03] Speaker 11: lighted it perfect. The reason they do this is there's
[16:06] Speaker 11: a lack of consequences. They've known for so long here
[16:09] Speaker 11: in Victoria you can get away with crime. That includes
[16:12] Speaker 11: the pursuits that have been happening in Victoria over the
[16:15] Speaker 11: last few years have increased to nearly twenty each and
[16:18] Speaker 11: every day.
[16:18] Speaker 2: That's nearly one every hour.
[16:21] Speaker 11: The only thing in Victoria that matches those kinds of
[16:23] Speaker 11: statistics is the fact that we have.
[16:25] Speaker 2: Nearly one aggravated burglary in Victoria every hour.
[16:29] Speaker 11: Most other states would be scared of those figures, whereas
[16:32] Speaker 11: here in our state there seems to be no consequences
[16:35] Speaker 11: and the criminals continue to get away with it.
[16:37] Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Brad, I was in Melbourne for
[16:39] Speaker 1: Easter and had a great time.
[16:41] Speaker 3: I love Melbourne. It's a great city pretty much to
[16:44] Speaker 3: visit rather than live in. At the moment, I would say,
[16:46] Speaker 3: I hope your mob changes that. But we're walking through
[16:50] Speaker 3: the city Burke Street, and you know, the thought occurred
[16:53] Speaker 3: to me. I was fine, but the thought did occur
[16:55] Speaker 3: to me, you do kind of need to have your
[16:57] Speaker 3: wits about you walking through the city Melbourne, no matter
[17:00] Speaker 3: what time of day, because you just don't know what
[17:04] Speaker 3: might happen. I never feel like that walking through Brisbane
[17:07] Speaker 3: or Sydney. Maybe it's not just maybe it's just me,
[17:09] Speaker 3: but I suspect quite a lot of people feel that way.
[17:13] Speaker 3: The other statistic I read today was that more than
[17:16] Speaker 3: seven thousand incidents of people refusing to stop for police.
[17:20] Speaker 3: So a thousand car chases, but seven thousand recorded incidents
[17:24] Speaker 3: of people just flat out refusing to stop when police
[17:28] Speaker 3: ask them to pull over. How is it that people
[17:31] Speaker 3: have felt so emboldened in Victoria to just thumb their
[17:34] Speaker 3: nose at police officers?
[17:37] Speaker 2: Simple answer. Respect. The respect for Victoria police has been
[17:41] Speaker 2: lost over a period of time.
[17:42] Speaker 11: And unfortunately, we've seen reports coming back from the community
[17:47] Speaker 11: where we used to have eighty five ninety percent of
[17:49] Speaker 11: people who respected Victoria police, liked the work they did,
[17:53] Speaker 11: support it in what they did, and the results now
[17:56] Speaker 11: coming back that's between fifty and fifty five percent.
[17:59] Speaker 6: Now.
[18:00] Speaker 11: The biggest thing in this is, and I'm a big
[18:02] Speaker 11: believer in this, it's got to start at the top
[18:05] Speaker 11: that's where respect is actually started. So that's the Premier
[18:08] Speaker 11: of Victoria and those that haven't seen it on social
[18:12] Speaker 11: media recently, the Premier decided to have a go at
[18:14] Speaker 11: me for my term. My time is serving as a
[18:16] Speaker 11: Victoria Police officer. But I'll tell you now, each and
[18:19] Speaker 11: every day, the coppers I spoke to today, the ones
[18:21] Speaker 11: I spoke to last week and the month, over the
[18:24] Speaker 11: months that I've been in this role, each and every
[18:26] Speaker 11: one of them will tell you respect is actually the
[18:29] Speaker 11: primary part of ensuring we can get on top of
[18:32] Speaker 11: the crime crisis here in this state, because then people
[18:34] Speaker 11: will pull over, they'll understand that police will have the
[18:37] Speaker 11: support from a government to say that if you decide
[18:40] Speaker 11: to go down the path of pursuit, you'll be held
[18:43] Speaker 11: accountable as the person who is in the stolen car,
[18:46] Speaker 11: not the Victoria Police officer who decided to chase you.
[18:49] Speaker 11: That bit the difference between the Liberal and Nationals government
[18:52] Speaker 11: under Jess Wilson with hopefully me as a Minister in
[18:55] Speaker 11: Police versus what we've got at the moment with Jacinta Allen,
[18:58] Speaker 11: where effectively there's no concenter sequences and people know that
[19:01] Speaker 11: and continue to get away with it.
[19:03] Speaker 2: Therefore people feel less safe in the street.
[19:05] Speaker 3: Okay, so that's a pretty remarkable change. Can you just
[19:07] Speaker 3: unpack for me how would that actually unfold in practice?
[19:12] Speaker 11: Yeah, The priority here is the first one is around
[19:14] Speaker 11: a new charge that's initiating a police pursuit. So if
[19:18] Speaker 11: you decide to get in a vehicle, whether it's stolen
[19:20] Speaker 11: or you're coming out of a criminal offense, and when
[19:23] Speaker 11: the police put their red and blue lights on and
[19:25] Speaker 11: to pull you over and you initiate a p shoot,
[19:27] Speaker 11: you become liable now for whatever happens going on.
[19:30] Speaker 2: So if you want to continue down that.
[19:32] Speaker 11: Path and travel at one hundred and fifty kilometers an
[19:33] Speaker 11: hour and the police chase you, you're responsible. Whether it's
[19:37] Speaker 11: a police vehicle getting rammed, if there's an accident and
[19:40] Speaker 11: someone's injured or killed, you're the person.
[19:42] Speaker 2: That started to pursuit. You're the one that's liable.
[19:44] Speaker 11: And I think it's really important that we get that
[19:46] Speaker 11: message across the first charge of initiating a purshuit that'll
[19:50] Speaker 11: give you up to three years or five years if
[19:53] Speaker 11: it's a second or further offense, but anyone else or
[19:56] Speaker 11: anything else.
[19:57] Speaker 2: That happens, we have to actually turn around and go.
[20:00] Speaker 2: So let's back the police.
[20:01] Speaker 11: They make the right decisions when they do a pursuit,
[20:04] Speaker 11: they do it making sure that it's for safety. But
[20:06] Speaker 11: at the end of the day, it's to get a
[20:08] Speaker 11: crook off the street. We've got to start backing them.
[20:10] Speaker 11: And that means they can't be held accountable. They shouldn't
[20:13] Speaker 11: be able to be sued. It's got to be the
[20:15] Speaker 11: person who started the pursuit that's held accountable for any
[20:17] Speaker 11: of the accidents that happened, whether it's them or other
[20:20] Speaker 11: people in the community that are injured.
[20:22] Speaker 1: I really like the sound of it.
[20:23] Speaker 3: I can't imagine any fair minded person listening to what
[20:26] Speaker 3: you're saying and thinking that's not a good idea. You
[20:29] Speaker 3: mentioned up to three years jail if you are the
[20:33] Speaker 3: person who initiates circumstances wherein police need to pursue you.
[20:38] Speaker 3: One of the things that I think a lot of
[20:39] Speaker 3: people are really frustrated by, Brad is that governments legislate
[20:44] Speaker 3: these kind of laws, bringing these kind of policies, but
[20:47] Speaker 3: then judges don't come to the party. Why not legislate
[20:52] Speaker 3: minimum three year jail term if you initiate a police chase,
[20:55] Speaker 3: rather than you could get up to because I don't
[20:58] Speaker 3: think any of us are confident. I'm not even sure,
[21:00] Speaker 3: well you'd be confident that magistrates would back you when
[21:03] Speaker 3: push comes to shove.
[21:05] Speaker 11: The reality there is under this government. We've seen this
[21:08] Speaker 11: recently where the government have actually put forward the booklet
[21:11] Speaker 11: for magistrates and they kind of put in there that
[21:14] Speaker 11: the reality is they really want people to be given
[21:17] Speaker 11: the least possible sentence. When a government comes in, we'll
[21:21] Speaker 11: have this responsibility. Jess Wilson as the Premier. I hope
[21:24] Speaker 11: for myself as Police Minister, James Newbury as our Attorney General,
[21:28] Speaker 11: to send a very clear message to the courts in
[21:31] Speaker 11: our second reading speeches in Parliament which they must refer
[21:34] Speaker 11: back to whether it's the booklet that will be giving
[21:37] Speaker 11: to them, to say what we expect from the courts.
[21:40] Speaker 2: We expect that if we put a sentence in place
[21:43] Speaker 2: that's up to five years.
[21:44] Speaker 11: For initiating a pursuit, then we're expecting people to go
[21:47] Speaker 11: to jail for these criminal offenses. And I think the
[21:50] Speaker 11: problem and the challenge at the moment under this government
[21:53] Speaker 11: is they're sending a mixed message to kind of say, well,
[21:57] Speaker 11: we want to about to the woke side of the
[21:59] Speaker 11: world and say let's make sure that we can keep
[22:01] Speaker 11: people out of the prison system, but will pretend to
[22:04] Speaker 11: be tough by saying we're going to increase the maximums.
[22:07] Speaker 11: If you have a government that comes in and says
[22:09] Speaker 11: we're going to put in place proper sentencing, that people
[22:12] Speaker 11: know that if they break the law, they're going to
[22:15] Speaker 11: be penalized. At the same time, ensuring that the judges
[22:19] Speaker 11: and the courts are aware of what our expectations are,
[22:21] Speaker 11: that's where you'll see change. I'm very confident with the
[22:25] Speaker 11: team that Jess will lead, we'll be in that position
[22:28] Speaker 11: to ensure the courts will.
[22:29] Speaker 2: Understand what our expectations are.
[22:31] Speaker 11: At the same time, the crooks will know when they
[22:33] Speaker 11: get caught, they're going to get the consequences for their actions.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Bra If you keep talking about this, you could convince
[22:39] Speaker 1: me to move back to Victoria.
[22:41] Speaker 11: I'd be welcoming you back as I I actually heard
[22:44] Speaker 11: you before, and it's sad to make me say I'm
[22:46] Speaker 11: pure of bread Melbourne.
[22:48] Speaker 2: I love Victoria. I used to work in Chapel Street
[22:50] Speaker 2: as a copper.
[22:51] Speaker 11: I remember going down as a copper in Chapel Street
[22:54] Speaker 11: and the best night part of the night was you
[22:55] Speaker 11: could walk down there in police uniform and be proud
[22:59] Speaker 11: and people supported you and backed you in your kind
[23:02] Speaker 11: of issues weren't that big, but now we're seeing it.
[23:04] Speaker 2: We police don't get that respect.
[23:06] Speaker 11: Once we change that, trust me, James, people will be
[23:08] Speaker 11: coming back in droves to move back into Victoria.
[23:11] Speaker 3: Hey, before I let you go the more redeeming pre selection.
[23:14] Speaker 3: That was an absolute fiasco, wasn't it.
[23:16] Speaker 12: Oh.
[23:16] Speaker 11: Look, it's always challenges in time, within the Liberal Party
[23:20] Speaker 11: or within parties itself.
[23:21] Speaker 2: The parties have these challenges. I'm so proud to work
[23:24] Speaker 2: with More. I was out with her again today and
[23:26] Speaker 2: I'm so pleased.
[23:27] Speaker 11: To see her moving forward with us. We've got a
[23:30] Speaker 11: big campaign and I can guarantee you this that we're
[23:32] Speaker 11: ready to work as one united to ensure that not
[23:35] Speaker 11: with just all of Victoria, but particularly out in the
[23:37] Speaker 11: West where Mare has been a very strong voice.
[23:39] Speaker 1: Brad, we've heard that before, do you mean at this time?
[23:43] Speaker 2: I worked with her.
[23:44] Speaker 11: I put her in a position actually as someone who
[23:46] Speaker 11: was the voice of the West effectively out there. I
[23:48] Speaker 11: will continue that and I know Jess Wilson's very keen
[23:51] Speaker 11: to work with that as well, she's worked really well
[23:53] Speaker 11: in Werribee. I was in Sunbury with her today. She's
[23:56] Speaker 11: respected in the community. I will make sure that the
[23:58] Speaker 11: community continue to do what we always wanted them to do,
[24:00] Speaker 11: and that support the Liberals and Nationals as we go
[24:03] Speaker 11: towards an election.
[24:04] Speaker 2: That is the only way we can get rid of
[24:05] Speaker 2: this rotten government here in Victoria.
[24:07] Speaker 3: Brad Batna, I really appreciate your time tonight, Thanks so
[24:10] Speaker 3: much for coming on the program.
[24:11] Speaker 1: Thank you all right, coming up.
[24:13] Speaker 3: After the break liquid gold under Australian's feet, That's what
[24:17] Speaker 3: the Premier of Queensland is calling it. But will the
[24:19] Speaker 3: government tap into it when we need it most? Plus
[24:22] Speaker 3: why are young people ditching adventure and saying no to
[24:25] Speaker 3: the gap year?
[24:26] Speaker 1: All of that with my panel in a moment.
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[24:52] Speaker 13: Tuesday the fifth.
[24:53] Speaker 3: So you're there, okay, joining me now as former Labour
[24:59] Speaker 3: s to Stephen Conroy and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
[25:03] Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Always great to catch up with
[25:05] Speaker 3: you guys. As I mentioned at the top of the show,
[25:08] Speaker 3: the US President Donald Trump has been met with fierce
[25:11] Speaker 3: backlash over his truth social post on Tuesday is to
[25:15] Speaker 3: refresh your memory. The president posted, and I quote, a
[25:18] Speaker 3: whole civilization will die tonight, never to be bought back again.
[25:22] Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen, but it probably will. Today.
[25:26] Speaker 3: The Prime Minister, as I mentioned earlier, spoke out condemning
[25:29] Speaker 3: Trump's message. That was going a sit down interview with
[25:31] Speaker 3: Sky News. Here's a refresher.
[25:34] Speaker 4: I don't think it's appropriate to use language such as
[25:38] Speaker 4: that from the President of the United States.
[25:42] Speaker 2: If that happened, would that be a war crime what
[25:45] Speaker 2: the President was talking about.
[25:46] Speaker 4: Look, it's a long step between a tweet and that suggestion.
[25:54] Speaker 1: So there you go.
[25:55] Speaker 3: Stephen Conroy, do you think Donald Trump will give heed
[25:57] Speaker 3: to the PMS feedback?
[26:01] Speaker 14: Well, I don't think Donald Trump shouse he to anybody's feedback.
[26:05] Speaker 14: I mean, he's doing his best isolation every traditional ally
[26:11] Speaker 14: in the world that the US has spent seven years
[26:13] Speaker 14: building that network, Japan, South Korea, NATO, the UK. It's
[26:20] Speaker 14: like Canada. I mean, how do you pick a fight
[26:22] Speaker 14: with Canadian? I've never been, never known it was possible.
[26:25] Speaker 14: He's managed to pick a bike with him.
[26:27] Speaker 2: He's invading.
[26:27] Speaker 14: He's invading in Greenland, for God's sake. So now I
[26:31] Speaker 14: don't think you'll take any notice of our prime minister
[26:33] Speaker 14: anymore than he does as any other prime minister or
[26:36] Speaker 14: president in the world, except, of course, Vladimir Putin.
[26:40] Speaker 1: Just on that Holly.
[26:41] Speaker 3: Do you think Donald Trump has alienated his allies NATO
[26:44] Speaker 3: for instance, or have Trump's allies NATO for example, done
[26:49] Speaker 3: a pretty good job of isolating themselves. I mean, they're
[26:52] Speaker 3: not spending anywhere near enough on defense. Britain sent one
[26:57] Speaker 3: ship to the Middle East and then had to turn
[26:58] Speaker 3: it around because of mcay failures. Is Trump the problem
[27:02] Speaker 3: or is Trump really just pointing out that there's been
[27:05] Speaker 3: decades and decades of you know, inertia within the allies
[27:10] Speaker 3: and he's calling them out for it. But somehow Trump's
[27:12] Speaker 3: the bad guy for it.
[27:14] Speaker 12: Look, isn't it extraordinary?
[27:15] Speaker 15: Though that Albinezy can come out condemning Trump's language, but
[27:18] Speaker 15: zero to say on the Iranian regime calling for fundamentally
[27:23] Speaker 15: human shields to be put around bridges under this threat
[27:26] Speaker 15: from Trump, and somehow that that doesn't raise a mention from.
[27:30] Speaker 12: This Prime Minister Trump.
[27:32] Speaker 15: I mean, I got to say, Look, I love you, Stephen,
[27:35] Speaker 15: but I completely disagree with you. I think one of
[27:37] Speaker 15: my favorite things ever will be Trump next to the
[27:40] Speaker 15: easter Bunny.
[27:41] Speaker 12: I think that was just absolutely I love.
[27:44] Speaker 15: Him more and more for many sorts of things. But
[27:47] Speaker 15: the thing is, this is Trump mark two. We've had
[27:50] Speaker 15: two bites of this Jerry. We know how we operates.
[27:53] Speaker 15: He goes out and says these things, big claims, big
[27:57] Speaker 15: claims of what's going to come down the pipeline, and
[27:59] Speaker 15: then he ends up getting the deal.
[28:00] Speaker 12: He's absolutely now got the straitsman was open.
[28:03] Speaker 15: There's a two week ceasefire, what everyone was calling for,
[28:06] Speaker 15: and yet they somehow seem shocked that he comes out
[28:09] Speaker 15: with this language, Like seriously, I actually am more worried
[28:13] Speaker 15: about people sort of not even acknowledging when he says
[28:16] Speaker 15: this stuff anymore because they think, oh, well, you know
[28:19] Speaker 15: it doesn't he won't really go through with it. He
[28:21] Speaker 15: doesn't go through with it because he doesn't need to
[28:23] Speaker 15: go through with it, because I think, you know, he
[28:26] Speaker 15: puts it out there.
[28:27] Speaker 12: Look, I'm not afraid to do this, and people go, well, actually,
[28:30] Speaker 12: you know what, I think maybe he just might. So therefore, hang.
[28:34] Speaker 15: On, maybe we should get back to the negotiating table.
[28:37] Speaker 15: Why do people not seem to get this. I mean,
[28:39] Speaker 15: it's exactly what he's doing.
[28:40] Speaker 6: Well.
[28:40] Speaker 3: The fascinating thing about Donald Trump is he keeps talking
[28:44] Speaker 3: and he's literally just now posted on truth social Let
[28:48] Speaker 3: me read it for you. This is his latest social
[28:50] Speaker 3: media post. The United States will work closely with Iran,
[28:54] Speaker 3: which we have determined has gone through what will be
[28:56] Speaker 3: a very productive regime change. There'll be knowing rich of uranium,
[29:01] Speaker 3: and the United States will working with Iran dig up
[29:04] Speaker 3: and remove all of the deeply buried nuclear dust. It
[29:07] Speaker 3: is now and has been under very exacting satellite surveillance.
[29:11] Speaker 3: Nothing has been touched from the date of attack. We
[29:15] Speaker 3: are and will be taking tariff and sanctions relief with
[29:18] Speaker 3: Iran talking rather tariff and sanctions relief of the I RAN.
[29:22] Speaker 3: Many of the fifteen points have already been agreed to
[29:26] Speaker 3: So Stephen Holly's point may be very very well made.
[29:31] Speaker 3: Trump gets a lot of criticism. But if that's so,
[29:36] Speaker 3: if that social media post is correct, that's not bad progress.
[29:43] Speaker 14: Well look, first, I love Holly and I truly love
[29:47] Speaker 14: her optimism that this five D chess genius has got
[29:51] Speaker 14: us playing us on bright. Yeah, it's actually always really
[29:58] Speaker 14: difficult when you have to actually decide who is telling
[30:03] Speaker 14: the most truth between a despotic Iranian regime and the
[30:08] Speaker 14: president of the United States. That is a terrible circumstance
[30:11] Speaker 14: to be en where you have no idea what he
[30:14] Speaker 14: is talking about. So the Iranians claim they're going to
[30:17] Speaker 14: put a toll on use of the Hormus Strait to
[30:22] Speaker 14: rebuild their country, and in their ten points it's right there,
[30:24] Speaker 14: you know, we're going to take reparations to rebuild our country.
[30:29] Speaker 2: So Donald Trump may pull.
[30:31] Speaker 14: Off the most unique deal the art of the deal.
[30:34] Speaker 14: He bombs the place to pieces and then allows Iran
[30:38] Speaker 14: to charge the rest of the world Australian motorists to
[30:42] Speaker 14: build rebuild Iran. That is a classic deal. They're not
[30:45] Speaker 14: paying anything because I don't get most of their oil
[30:49] Speaker 14: petrol jet fil through the Straits so this could be
[30:52] Speaker 14: a genius deal. I'll give you that, but we don't
[30:57] Speaker 14: know what the fifteen point plan is became the ten
[30:59] Speaker 14: point plan, trying to compare them. They've rejected the fifteen
[31:01] Speaker 14: point plan last week. We don't know which path of
[31:04] Speaker 14: the fifteen or ten are in. So you know, just
[31:08] Speaker 14: because he puts out a tweet doesn't mean it's true.
[31:10] Speaker 3: Sorry, Steve, and I didn't hear anything you said after
[31:13] Speaker 3: you compared the Iranian regime with the US President Holly.
[31:17] Speaker 1: Can you believe that Stephen Conry is doing propaganda?
[31:20] Speaker 15: Sis so serious and such a terrible thing, and wow,
[31:25] Speaker 15: what terrible language for him to use.
[31:27] Speaker 12: And then on now, but we can't believe what's in
[31:29] Speaker 12: the tweet.
[31:29] Speaker 15: I mean seriously, either you think what he's saying in
[31:32] Speaker 15: the tweets is what he's actually going to do and
[31:34] Speaker 15: what he's trying to deliver, or whether you don't believe
[31:36] Speaker 15: him at all, So why would you get your niggers
[31:38] Speaker 15: in a twist over what he says at all?
[31:41] Speaker 8: Disturbed me.
[31:42] Speaker 12: One of the tweets.
[31:44] Speaker 15: Consumated that the deal would be consummated, and I thought, Jesus, that's.
[31:49] Speaker 12: An use of terminology between the Iranian regime.
[31:54] Speaker 3: Not quite the word I would have, Holly Hughes. I
[31:57] Speaker 3: think that's my cue to move on to our next topic.
[32:01] Speaker 3: Let's I'll just give you a moment to collect yourselves.
[32:08] Speaker 2: Let'scaver ourselves.
[32:09] Speaker 12: Move on, all right, I.
[32:10] Speaker 1: Think we're ready. Let's talk about Victoria's buillieoning debt.
[32:13] Speaker 3: It's fast becoming a defining election issue, with new polling
[32:16] Speaker 3: from Freshwater Strategy revealing seventy eight percent of voters are
[32:20] Speaker 3: concerned about the state's debt, including nearly half who say
[32:24] Speaker 3: they're very concerned. Twenty eight percent of Victorian's worry debt
[32:26] Speaker 3: will lead to cutbacks in health and education, Twenty seven
[32:30] Speaker 3: percent of Victorians worried debt will mean higher taxes. Twenty
[32:33] Speaker 3: three percent worry the debt is going to saddle future
[32:36] Speaker 3: generations with a burden they can't bear. Steven Victoria's debt
[32:40] Speaker 3: has grown by ten billion dollars in the past six months,
[32:44] Speaker 3: and it's now on track to hit one hundred and
[32:45] Speaker 3: ninety two billion dollars three years from there.
[32:49] Speaker 1: How does just Into Allen defend this?
[32:53] Speaker 14: Well, Look, I think you've seen recently the opening of
[32:55] Speaker 14: a whole range of major projects with that which that
[32:58] Speaker 14: debt has been funded. So you know where I not
[33:01] Speaker 14: far from where I live, got a fantastic new Foots
[33:03] Speaker 14: Gray Hospital. We've got obviously the Westgate Tunnel, which are
[33:09] Speaker 14: then right near where I live. So there is a
[33:12] Speaker 14: huge amount of infrastructure projects that debt has funded. Now,
[33:18] Speaker 14: I've never had a problem with debt funding infrastructure projects,
[33:22] Speaker 14: debt funding the police and hospitals and nurses. That's the
[33:28] Speaker 14: Joan Kerner area era of the nineteen nineties early nineteen nineties,
[33:33] Speaker 14: and that is not a sustainable position. We've got a
[33:36] Speaker 14: Victorian budget coming up not long after federal budget, so
[33:39] Speaker 14: we're only a few weeks away from seeing how they're
[33:42] Speaker 14: going to manage this challenge. It is a challenge, there's
[33:44] Speaker 14: no question about that. But just reeling off some big
[33:49] Speaker 14: number of debt ignores the benefits that have come from
[33:52] Speaker 14: all these infrastructure projects. So I think it is a challenge.
[33:56] Speaker 14: I think the next budget, which will be the pre budget,
[34:00] Speaker 14: so the pre election budget, will be very revealing. And
[34:04] Speaker 14: I think, you know, if the Liver Party can stop,
[34:07] Speaker 14: you know, committing self harm to themselves, they've got at
[34:12] Speaker 14: least a couple of credible lines now they've got a
[34:14] Speaker 14: credible leader to be able to attack the Allen government,
[34:17] Speaker 14: and it is a twelve year government and not many
[34:20] Speaker 14: governments get elected for more than three terms, so it
[34:23] Speaker 14: was always going to be a challenge to get a
[34:25] Speaker 14: fourth term. And there's some economic challenges. Interest rates are
[34:30] Speaker 14: driving the country as well as Victoria into recession. If
[34:34] Speaker 14: the Reserve put up interest rates again, you know they'll
[34:37] Speaker 14: be driving hundreds of thousand people out of work and
[34:40] Speaker 14: create a recession.
[34:42] Speaker 1: Holly, just quickly.
[34:43] Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of issues at the moment,
[34:45] Speaker 3: migration power, but essentially everything always comes back to economics,
[34:50] Speaker 3: doesn't it. This will be a key issue, I guess,
[34:53] Speaker 3: not just in Victoria but right around the country because
[34:56] Speaker 3: government's all over the place are just running up debt
[34:59] Speaker 3: like there's no look.
[35:01] Speaker 15: I think the economics is the key issue, and I
[35:03] Speaker 15: think people have cost of living pressures on their own
[35:06] Speaker 15: personal budgets. I do have a fear now that Australians
[35:10] Speaker 15: the fact that we're almost about to hit a trillion
[35:12] Speaker 15: dollars in federal debt, yet they don't seem to be
[35:15] Speaker 15: really that phased about debt anymore. Steven's right, when there's
[35:18] Speaker 15: a really big difference between debt for infrastructure. That's when
[35:22] Speaker 15: it's like putting a mortgage on a house. You got debt,
[35:25] Speaker 15: but you're living in a house and it's it's bricks
[35:27] Speaker 15: and mortar that you can see, whereas we're just racking up,
[35:31] Speaker 15: you know, billions and billions and billions of dollars of debt.
[35:34] Speaker 15: Yet Australians don't seem to really understand the gravity. If
[35:38] Speaker 15: you go back to the Howard Costello days when they
[35:40] Speaker 15: were voted out of office, we had zero debt. We
[35:43] Speaker 15: actually have money in the bank, and yet now we're
[35:45] Speaker 15: about to hit a trillion dollars worth of debt and
[35:48] Speaker 15: you just don't I don't really understand why Australians don't
[35:52] Speaker 15: seem to understand anymore the.
[35:53] Speaker 12: Problems that this is going to cause going forward.
[35:56] Speaker 15: And you know, we've been in a per capita recession
[35:59] Speaker 15: for a long time anyway, the fact that it is
[36:02] Speaker 15: about to become an undeniable recession is absolutely staring the
[36:08] Speaker 15: face of most Australians already.
[36:11] Speaker 12: I mean, you know, I run a small business and I.
[36:14] Speaker 15: Can tell you you know, staffing is going to become
[36:17] Speaker 15: there will be less of them, because that is what
[36:19] Speaker 15: is happening. And costs are going up, prices are going
[36:22] Speaker 15: to go up, and more and more businesses are coming
[36:24] Speaker 15: under pressure, and it's going to keep rolling through the economy.
[36:27] Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a few years since we all finished high school,
[36:32] Speaker 3: but longer for Steven and I.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Holly, but do you remember do you remember the gap year?
[36:38] Speaker 3: You know, between the end of school and the beginning
[36:40] Speaker 3: of UNI your work, A lot of us would take
[36:42] Speaker 3: a year go travel. Those days maybe long gone, with
[36:45] Speaker 3: increasing numbers of young people now saying it's just not feasible,
[36:49] Speaker 3: namely because they can't afford it, and they're worried if
[36:51] Speaker 3: they take a year off when they come back they
[36:54] Speaker 3: won't have a job.
[36:56] Speaker 1: Is this a sad thing, Stephen?
[36:58] Speaker 3: Or is this just one of those changes in society
[37:01] Speaker 3: that's neither here nor there?
[37:04] Speaker 14: Look, firstly, can I defend my ear and I'm possibly
[37:07] Speaker 14: giving away. I'm older than probably both of you. But
[37:11] Speaker 14: gap year was not something that existed in my time
[37:13] Speaker 14: when you came out of came out of high school.
[37:16] Speaker 14: I'd never heard of the concept of a year gap
[37:19] Speaker 14: year until quite as many years later, and I went,
[37:22] Speaker 14: what is this gap year?
[37:23] Speaker 5: Think?
[37:23] Speaker 14: So I'm not a traditionalist on a gap year. I
[37:27] Speaker 14: think that given the change economic circumstances, given the challenges
[37:31] Speaker 14: around the world at the moment, it's probably a wise
[37:33] Speaker 14: thing for students to focus on, you know, what they're
[37:36] Speaker 14: going to do going forward, particularly if, as we both
[37:39] Speaker 14: all three of us have just talked about, you know,
[37:41] Speaker 14: we're facing a potential recession. I certainly wouldn't want to
[37:43] Speaker 14: be gallivanting off having a great time, you know, enjoying
[37:46] Speaker 14: life and it's great experience and character building and all
[37:49] Speaker 14: those wonderful things, but I'd be thinking, where's my where's
[37:53] Speaker 14: my income coming from over the next couple of years.
[37:56] Speaker 1: Holly, did you have a gap year?
[37:58] Speaker 12: Do you know why? I didn't?
[37:59] Speaker 15: And it is actually one of the things I really
[38:01] Speaker 15: regret not doing because I know a lot of people
[38:04] Speaker 15: that did it and the amazing experiences and relationships that
[38:07] Speaker 15: they generated that they still have to this day and
[38:10] Speaker 15: was so you know, it was just once in a lifetime,
[38:12] Speaker 15: and it's the only opportunity in your life quite often,
[38:14] Speaker 15: that you get to do something like that.
[38:16] Speaker 12: My daughter finish school last year.
[38:18] Speaker 15: I really was encouraging her to take your gap year,
[38:22] Speaker 15: and she's more of Steven's ilk and you know here
[38:24] Speaker 15: she is studying law and economics straight away.
[38:27] Speaker 12: But there's lots of options for gap years for kids now.
[38:30] Speaker 15: The ADF does a fabulous gap year program where you
[38:32] Speaker 15: can go and sort of try before you buy in
[38:35] Speaker 15: the ADF, And I'd even spoken to my daughter about
[38:37] Speaker 15: doing that. So I do think there's a lot of
[38:39] Speaker 15: benefits for kids getting out there. They don't have to
[38:41] Speaker 15: go overseas, it doesn't have to be just.
[38:43] Speaker 12: A year of holiday.
[38:45] Speaker 15: I think they should, you know, go out jack ruing
[38:47] Speaker 15: or go out and get some exposure in the world,
[38:49] Speaker 15: because sometimes I think when kids leave school they've been
[38:52] Speaker 15: sheltered in a way that if they go straight from
[38:54] Speaker 15: school to university, they don't really understand.
[38:57] Speaker 12: How the world works.
[38:58] Speaker 15: And I think sometimes it can force a little bit
[39:00] Speaker 15: of maturity and growing up.
[39:02] Speaker 12: That isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it may not
[39:05] Speaker 12: be right for every kick, but I think for some
[39:07] Speaker 12: kids it is a good thing. Today.
[39:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon, you're right, I reckon there's a lot
[39:10] Speaker 3: of benefit to it. I think it's sad that so
[39:12] Speaker 3: many young people now can't afford to do what so
[39:15] Speaker 3: many of us did. Stephen Conroy, Holly Hughes. Lovely to
[39:19] Speaker 3: chat with both of you. Thanks so much for coming
[39:20] Speaker 3: on the program.
[39:21] Speaker 1: Thanks all right, We're going to go to a break.
[39:23] Speaker 1: Will we come back.
[39:24] Speaker 3: Kanye West blocked from Britain? Is that the right decision
[39:27] Speaker 3: or a step too far? Spike Online editor Tom Slater
[39:31] Speaker 3: will join me in just a moment.
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[40:02] Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.
[40:03] Speaker 4: Now.
[40:03] Speaker 3: At the top of the hour, about thirteen minutes from now,
[40:06] Speaker 3: US Secretary of War Pete Hegseth will be giving a
[40:09] Speaker 3: press conference. We will bring you that live, so make
[40:12] Speaker 3: sure you stay in front of the TV. It'll be
[40:14] Speaker 3: very interesting to hear what he has to say. As
[40:16] Speaker 3: I said, Pete hegg Seth addressing the media in about
[40:19] Speaker 3: thirteen minutes from now will bring you everything that he
[40:22] Speaker 3: has to say. But right now joining me is Spiked
[40:25] Speaker 3: Online editor Tom Slater. Tom, we need to talk about
[40:29] Speaker 3: your Prime Minister. I'm afraid Keir Starmer refused the US
[40:33] Speaker 3: permission to use British airfields for its attack on Iran.
[40:36] Speaker 3: He refused to send warships, and then when he did,
[40:39] Speaker 3: the one warship they sent had to turn around and
[40:40] Speaker 3: come home because of mechanical problems. He's taken every opportunity
[40:44] Speaker 3: to impress upon the public that the UK was not
[40:47] Speaker 3: and will not be involved in the conflict. But now
[40:50] Speaker 3: Trump has secured a ceasefire, secure Starmer is winging his
[40:54] Speaker 3: way to the golf too, and I quote help support
[40:57] Speaker 3: the ceasefire.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Announcing the Prime does trip.
[41:00] Speaker 3: Crime and Policing Minister Sarah Jones told sky News the
[41:03] Speaker 3: UK was quote not playing a role in peace negotiations.
[41:07] Speaker 3: She said, our role is working with our allies, sticking
[41:11] Speaker 3: to the principles of what our principles have been throughout
[41:13] Speaker 3: this which is we are not doing any offensive action here.
[41:17] Speaker 3: We are very much there playing a defensive role, but
[41:19] Speaker 3: an important one. Could you please explain what is kirs
[41:24] Speaker 3: Starmer going to do to support the cease fire.
[41:29] Speaker 8: What he's going to do what he always does, James,
[41:30] Speaker 8: which is organized meeting, organize a confab. Kirstarmer, the arch technocrat,
[41:35] Speaker 8: is a sort of bloke. He brings a meeting agenda
[41:37] Speaker 8: to a knife fight. He's all about the process, he's
[41:39] Speaker 8: all about the legalism, but he has absolutely no idea
[41:42] Speaker 8: of what he's doing. You saw it all there from
[41:44] Speaker 8: the statement from observing minister that essentially they're relevant to
[41:48] Speaker 8: this process, and that has been true throughout this conflict,
[41:52] Speaker 8: which has thankfully now moved into this two week pause.
[41:57] Speaker 8: It would be one thing if Kirs Starmer, from a
[41:59] Speaker 8: slightly more prince position, from a position of strength, was
[42:02] Speaker 8: saying this wasn't our conflict, we want to stay out
[42:04] Speaker 8: of it.
[42:04] Speaker 1: But he wasn't.
[42:04] Speaker 8: Really was prevaricating, He was allowing use to the basis
[42:07] Speaker 8: for some actions but not others. He was stalling with
[42:10] Speaker 8: President Trump, saying that yet to meet his team before
[42:12] Speaker 8: he made key decisions.
[42:13] Speaker 1: So I think the.
[42:14] Speaker 8: Underlying message here is that Kirstarmer has been an irrelevance
[42:17] Speaker 8: to this conflict, even more so and even more damningly
[42:20] Speaker 8: so than various other European powers who've ultimately taken a
[42:23] Speaker 8: similar stance, but have still been more forthcoming and sending
[42:26] Speaker 8: their warships to the Gulf to protect their assets, and
[42:29] Speaker 8: also more clear on what stance they were taking. So
[42:31] Speaker 8: another reminder that Kirsteimer is a diminished figure on the
[42:34] Speaker 8: world stage as a result of all this.
[42:36] Speaker 1: US Vice President JD.
[42:37] Speaker 3: Vance has been in Europe and during the trip he
[42:39] Speaker 3: was talking about the war in Iran and he said,
[42:41] Speaker 3: the US has tools, quote so far, we haven't decided
[42:45] Speaker 3: to use.
[42:46] Speaker 12: Well.
[42:46] Speaker 3: Immediately, people went nuts, thinking the Vice President had suggested
[42:51] Speaker 3: Trump might use nuclear weapons. In fact, the chatter got
[42:54] Speaker 3: so out of hand the White House released a statement
[42:57] Speaker 3: saying literally nothing. The Vice President said, he implies this
[43:01] Speaker 3: you absolute buffoons.
[43:03] Speaker 1: But it's kind of like that.
[43:04] Speaker 3: And I was talking in the earlier segment with my
[43:07] Speaker 3: previous guests, Tom. Everybody takes everything that this administration says
[43:13] Speaker 3: so literally that people seriously thinking that Trump might nuke Iran?
[43:18] Speaker 1: Can you believe that?
[43:21] Speaker 8: I mean, I can, depressingly, and I think it just
[43:23] Speaker 8: speaks to how hysterical people are in response to everything
[43:27] Speaker 8: that's coming out of the White House at the moment.
[43:29] Speaker 2: Simply from JD.
[43:29] Speaker 8: Vance, it's pretty clear, given his previous positions, given what
[43:33] Speaker 8: we know has been reported internally, even what is let
[43:35] Speaker 8: slip himself, that he's hardly gung ho about this bore.
[43:38] Speaker 8: He's hardly gung ho about any military intervention. The idea
[43:41] Speaker 8: that he would be saber rattling with nuclear weapons really
[43:44] Speaker 8: is fanciful. Of course, Don Trump is engaged in a
[43:47] Speaker 8: fair amount of Bella Coast rhetoric himself, and you know,
[43:50] Speaker 8: there seems to be a kind of an attempt on
[43:51] Speaker 8: the part of Trump at least to kind of play
[43:53] Speaker 8: the Madman theory of geopolitics. But at the same time,
[43:56] Speaker 8: we do need to keep these things in perspective, and
[43:58] Speaker 8: especially when you're in a conflict that does have the
[44:01] Speaker 8: potential or did have the potential when it was still
[44:02] Speaker 8: raging to widen. Talk like this actually is more dangerous
[44:06] Speaker 8: than the supposed comments that people are reacting to.
[44:08] Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Bellaicostrihtrick. I give you Greta Tunberg. She's
[44:12] Speaker 3: reacted to Donald Trump's threats against dran.
[44:15] Speaker 7: Ever, listen, the president of the United States just said
[44:19] Speaker 7: that a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be
[44:22] Speaker 7: brought back again and no one is reacting. This speaks
[44:26] Speaker 7: for itself. What the anyone even doing at this point?
[44:31] Speaker 3: Tom, I'm going to ask you about this in a minute,
[44:33] Speaker 3: But my view is it's personal when it comes to
[44:36] Speaker 3: Greta and Donald Trump, because remember when Trump famously ignored
[44:39] Speaker 3: her at the United Nations when everyone else was fawning
[44:43] Speaker 3: over her.
[44:43] Speaker 1: To check this out.
[44:44] Speaker 3: It never gets old, thank you very much. I could
[45:02] Speaker 3: watch that for the rest of the night, Tom, glorious.
[45:06] Speaker 8: Oh it is, and that extended beef has been continuing
[45:09] Speaker 8: ever since, really, hasn't it. I mean, what a bizarre
[45:11] Speaker 8: situation that you had this kind of pint sized prophetess
[45:14] Speaker 8: of doom being elevated into a global figurehead and spokeswoman
[45:19] Speaker 8: for originally the climate, then it seemed to be various
[45:22] Speaker 8: flavors of Islamism, it seems like, and now raging against
[45:25] Speaker 8: the war in Iran. I also find it very telling,
[45:28] Speaker 8: and Greta is not the only one who does this issue,
[45:30] Speaker 8: but constantly talking about how Donald Trump is the great threat,
[45:35] Speaker 8: that America is the great threat to all that is
[45:37] Speaker 8: great and wholly meanly completely ignoring the fact that for
[45:41] Speaker 8: its entire near fifty year existence, the Islamic Republic has
[45:44] Speaker 8: been waging one and Western civilization has wanted to wipe
[45:47] Speaker 8: Israel off the map. These are things that she's been
[45:49] Speaker 8: completely silent about. But nevertheless, I think a period of
[45:53] Speaker 8: silence from Greta would be appreciated, if not a period
[45:56] Speaker 8: of us just ignoring her might.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Fit the bills.
[45:58] Speaker 3: Well you're so right, though, the very people saying Trump's
[46:00] Speaker 3: a psychopath, Greta Tunberg actually some kind of oracle.
[46:05] Speaker 1: Before I let you go US.
[46:06] Speaker 3: Rapper Kanye West has been barred from entering the UK
[46:09] Speaker 3: because of his long history of anti Semitic remarks, but
[46:11] Speaker 3: he's now begging for forgiveness and a second chance. He's
[46:14] Speaker 3: issued an apology and said to those I've hurt, I've
[46:19] Speaker 3: been following the conversation and i want to address it directly.
[46:22] Speaker 1: My only goal is to come to London.
[46:24] Speaker 3: This is for a music show and present a show
[46:26] Speaker 3: of change, bringing unity, peace and love through my music.
[46:29] Speaker 3: I'd be grateful for the chance to meet with members
[46:31] Speaker 3: of the Jewish community in the UK in person to listen.
[46:34] Speaker 3: I know words aren't enough. I'll have to show change
[46:36] Speaker 3: through my actions. So this his mere kulpa are they
[46:41] Speaker 3: being too hard on Kanye because of his previous support
[46:43] Speaker 3: for Trump, or is it right that he's not allowed
[46:46] Speaker 3: to come into the country.
[46:48] Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think he'd be too hard on
[46:50] Speaker 8: Kanye West given what he's been saying in recent years.
[46:53] Speaker 8: I mean it pales into even significance his controversies of
[46:56] Speaker 8: the past, creating songs called Hyle Hitler, selling swastika T
[47:00] Speaker 8: shirts and he's gone down a very dark and very
[47:02] Speaker 8: due hating rabbit role of late and people are entitled
[47:06] Speaker 8: not to believe his apologies. At the same time, I
[47:08] Speaker 8: think we are opening a bit of a can of
[47:10] Speaker 8: worms here when you're banning people from performing, and I
[47:13] Speaker 8: dare say it's something that the government might live to
[47:14] Speaker 8: regret when the latest controversial act is spoiling to come
[47:19] Speaker 8: to the UK and people point to this precedent. So
[47:21] Speaker 8: I completely get the concern about him coming not just
[47:23] Speaker 8: to London but to North London, heart of British jury
[47:26] Speaker 8: in many respects. But again I feel like this is
[47:28] Speaker 8: tak us down in the liberal path that doesn't really
[47:30] Speaker 8: treat our own homegrown problem with anti Semitism, which is
[47:33] Speaker 8: a much bigger issue in my mind.
[47:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, a really good point, Tom Slay. That always a
[47:37] Speaker 3: delight to thanks so much. All right, still to come.
[47:39] Speaker 3: The ABC compeares Donald Trump to the Iya Tollers and
[47:43] Speaker 3: decides the Eye.
[47:43] Speaker 1: Tollers aren't so bad. That's next.
[47:50] Speaker 3: Veteran ABC journalist Laura Tingle has written about what she
[47:54] Speaker 3: calls Donald Trump's thinning credibility, and she says the US
[47:57] Speaker 3: president is now no more to be trusted than the
[48:00] Speaker 3: Ia Tollers in Iran. Writing on the ABC website, she
[48:03] Speaker 3: said Trump's increasingly erratic language means that a US president's word,
[48:08] Speaker 3: which would have once been regarded with gravitas, holds perhaps
[48:11] Speaker 3: only the same weight as the word of the evil regime.
[48:15] Speaker 3: He says he has obliterated several times. I like that
[48:18] Speaker 3: when referring to the mad Muller's in Tehran, she puts
[48:20] Speaker 3: the word evil in quotation marks. It's kind of like
[48:23] Speaker 3: when we refer to the ABC is impartial, I mean, sorry, impartial.
[48:27] Speaker 3: I get Laura Tingle doesn't like Trump, that's fine, but
[48:30] Speaker 3: claiming he's like the Aya Toller give me a break,
[48:33] Speaker 3: that's it from me? Stick around. Coming up right now
[48:35] Speaker 3: is the late Debate.
[48:37] Speaker 1: Good night,

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