# Paul Murray Live | 20 January

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 21 Jan 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/209d4c3a-eb41-4f33-8007-b3d900ca1497/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

All Nationals leave the Shadow Cabinet, how do voters really feel about Australia Day? Plus, the Prime Minister calls out the Queensland government on the gun buyback scheme. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Today Australia, while from in the man Cave. There is
[0:09] Speaker 2: massive news that is happening right now on the center
[0:11] Speaker 2: right of Australian politics. The coalition is now a coalition
[0:15] Speaker 2: in name only. As you know, several Nationals have resigned.
[0:20] Speaker 2: In fact, all Nationals have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet.
[0:23] Speaker 2: The expectation of them being able to be replaced with
[0:26] Speaker 2: any virtually.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Non existent at this point in time.
[0:29] Speaker 2: There's brig breaking news where as you know about this
[0:32] Speaker 2: time last night was when the final votes were starting
[0:35] Speaker 2: to be taken in and around the hate speech legislation
[0:38] Speaker 2: which was able to pass Parliament. There were several key
[0:43] Speaker 2: people who were part of the team and were shadow ministers.
[0:47] Speaker 2: You know these people because you see them often here
[0:49] Speaker 2: on television. Well, they made the decision last night to
[0:53] Speaker 2: vote against what Shadow Cabinet had deemed to be the
[0:57] Speaker 2: deal on the Prime Minister's hate laws. This took place
[1:02] Speaker 2: in the Senate yesterday and the result of that means
[1:05] Speaker 2: that when the Shadow Cabinet makes a decision and you're
[1:08] Speaker 2: a member of it and you vote against what that
[1:10] Speaker 2: decision is, then obviously you either have to resign before
[1:14] Speaker 2: you get sacked. Well, guess what happened to those three
[1:17] Speaker 2: in the middle of the day today, The.
[1:20] Speaker 3: Move today triggering chaos in camera that ended with a
[1:23] Speaker 3: wave of front bench resignations.
[1:26] Speaker 2: National senators have resigned from the shadow cabinet after breaking
[1:30] Speaker 2: ranks on the new hate speech laws.
[1:32] Speaker 4: Susan Lee, the opposition leader, has accepted the resignations of
[1:36] Speaker 4: three Nationals senators from her front bench team.
[1:42] Speaker 2: This set off a firestorm and a cascading effect. The
[1:46] Speaker 2: Citny Morning Hero was the first to have news this
[1:49] Speaker 2: evening that David Little Proud, the Deputy Leader of the Coalition,
[1:53] Speaker 2: the leader of the Nationals, a shadow minister himself, had
[1:56] Speaker 2: sent a letter to Susan Lee, the leader of the Coalition.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Now remember there's the coalition, there's the Liberal Party with
[2:03] Speaker 2: its internal politics, the National Party with its internal politics.
[2:07] Speaker 2: Now inside this particular letter was a demand on Susan
[2:12] Speaker 2: Lee that if those three people who didn't vote with
[2:15] Speaker 2: the Shadow Cabinet but instead voted with the National Party line,
[2:19] Speaker 2: which was to vote against this, well then if they
[2:22] Speaker 2: were forced to resign, then everyone would resign. That is
[2:25] Speaker 2: what has happened now Now logically that means there is
[2:29] Speaker 2: no federal coalition tonight, but such a statement has not
[2:33] Speaker 2: been formally made by the Nationals. It is obvious that
[2:35] Speaker 2: by sunrise that would have to be the case.
[2:39] Speaker 1: Now.
[2:39] Speaker 2: What is particularly heartbreaking for many people around the country
[2:44] Speaker 2: is that there was an expectation of a very different
[2:47] Speaker 2: twenty twenty six after the disaster of twenty twenty five.
[2:52] Speaker 2: Role back to where we were at the start of
[2:53] Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and the expectations were that the election
[2:56] Speaker 2: was going to be close. There was a chance that
[2:59] Speaker 2: a government that was barely majority would maybe lose that majority. Instead,
[3:04] Speaker 2: the election proved to be the blowout that very few expected.
[3:08] Speaker 2: Even labor insiders were surprised by how big it was.
[3:12] Speaker 2: But there were almost five million people who on that
[3:16] Speaker 2: day last year cast their vote for a Liberal, for
[3:20] Speaker 2: a National for an LNP or a Country Liberal MP.
[3:25] Speaker 2: Depending on what city or what state, or what part
[3:28] Speaker 2: of what city or state that you live in, those
[3:30] Speaker 2: are the options that eventually lead to a federal coalition.
[3:34] Speaker 2: After the failures of the federal election its campaign as well,
[3:39] Speaker 2: the Nationals, as you know, said they were going to
[3:41] Speaker 2: break away from the Liberal Party. They were able to
[3:45] Speaker 2: put it back together in a few days, but the
[3:48] Speaker 2: expectation was that it was always shaky. Tonight the break
[3:52] Speaker 2: happens again. If there are no shadow ministers in the
[3:57] Speaker 2: coalition from one half of the Coalie, then obviously we
[4:01] Speaker 2: are close to saying there is no coalition.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Now.
[4:06] Speaker 2: In part this has also happened because of the pressures
[4:09] Speaker 2: that have been upon the National Party about its very existence.
[4:13] Speaker 2: As you know, the numbers for One Nation have been
[4:15] Speaker 2: going through the roof trebling, and in the most recent
[4:18] Speaker 2: of news polls now One Nation outperforming the collective efforts
[4:23] Speaker 2: of the National Party and the Liberal Party, yet still
[4:26] Speaker 2: the combined and assuming all of those preferences would be there,
[4:29] Speaker 2: the Labor Party would still end up in a position
[4:32] Speaker 2: of power should an election for whatever reason be held
[4:34] Speaker 2: much sooner rather than later. A man who may will
[4:37] Speaker 2: have seen the riding on the wall, but certainly was
[4:39] Speaker 2: a massive determinant in people who have moved their vote
[4:42] Speaker 2: from the Coalition to One Nation is the man who
[4:45] Speaker 2: will be running for One Nation in the upcoming federal
[4:48] Speaker 2: election in a couple of years time for the Senate.
[4:50] Speaker 2: Until then, he remains a One Nation MP. The MP
[4:53] Speaker 2: for New England the former deputy Prime Minister, the former
[4:55] Speaker 2: Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce.
[4:57] Speaker 1: He joins us now from the farm.
[4:59] Speaker 2: Barnaby, what I mean the idea that there are no
[5:03] Speaker 2: members of the coalition from the National Party that are
[5:06] Speaker 2: serving in the ministry would have to suggest that the
[5:09] Speaker 2: coalition is done.
[5:12] Speaker 5: I'm actually sad for our democracy. We need a strong
[5:16] Speaker 5: opposition and tonight that's certainly not been shown to the
[5:21] Speaker 5: Australian people. This is chaotic. The whole premise of voting
[5:26] Speaker 5: for hate speech laws, which are really censorship laws.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Everybody knew that we could have been.
[5:32] Speaker 5: So succinct that legislation could be so succinct to deal
[5:36] Speaker 5: with anti Semitism and to come like a hammer onto
[5:40] Speaker 5: the head of the radical easiness who brought about that
[5:43] Speaker 5: disgusting Turkey shoot of Australian citizens on a beach in
[5:48] Speaker 5: the middle of Sydney. We could have dealt with that,
[5:50] Speaker 5: but they stapled all these other things to it, and
[5:52] Speaker 5: of course that legislation had to.
[5:53] Speaker 6: Be taken down. Now. It was chaotic.
[5:58] Speaker 5: We had, unfortunately within my old party, people voting for it,
[6:02] Speaker 5: people voting against it, and people are staining they're all
[6:05] Speaker 5: three positions were held in one night and that just
[6:07] Speaker 5: looked chaotic. Now we have the resignation of Nats from
[6:13] Speaker 5: the front bench. So if we just look at this,
[6:15] Speaker 5: we had an election and then we had a marriage
[6:19] Speaker 5: in the coalition, and then we had the divorce, and
[6:23] Speaker 5: then they got back together again and got married.
[6:26] Speaker 6: Now they're going to get divorced again. But it's all
[6:28] Speaker 6: right because they tell us before the election they're going
[6:30] Speaker 6: to get married again. Now that doesn't work.
[6:33] Speaker 5: The Australian people will call, they say, that's chaotic, it's ridiculous.
[6:37] Speaker 6: You're playing a stupid game. Now.
[6:41] Speaker 5: I don't know what they do, or I really don't,
[6:44] Speaker 5: but I think people are starting to get an inkling
[6:46] Speaker 5: of the reason I'm with One Nation.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I very much think so.
[6:50] Speaker 2: In a couple of minutes, just when we come on
[6:52] Speaker 2: the air, Susan Lee has just released a statement. Forgive
[6:55] Speaker 2: me for interrupting our conversation, but I have to read
[6:57] Speaker 2: it and read it in full for the most obvious
[6:59] Speaker 2: of reason. This evening I spoke with the leader of
[7:02] Speaker 2: the Nationals, David little Proud strongly urged him not to
[7:05] Speaker 2: walk away from the coalition. I've received additional offers of
[7:07] Speaker 2: resignation from National Party shadow ministers, which i am leadership
[7:11] Speaker 2: Liberal Leadership Group have deemed unnecessary. The Liberal Party supports
[7:15] Speaker 2: the coalition arrangements because they deliver the most effective political alliance.
[7:18] Speaker 2: I note that in David's letter he did not indicate
[7:20] Speaker 2: that the Nationals leaving the coalition. No permanent changes we
[7:24] Speaker 2: made to the shadow ministry at this time, given the
[7:26] Speaker 2: National Party time to reconsider the office of resignation. So again,
[7:31] Speaker 2: let's imagine a best case scenario where this time next
[7:34] Speaker 2: week everyone who quit decides to rejoin again, multiple positions
[7:39] Speaker 2: on one piece of legislation, and a bit hokey pokey
[7:43] Speaker 2: out in out about whether there's a partnership in the
[7:46] Speaker 2: alternative government. I know your offer is for many disaffected
[7:51] Speaker 2: mats if they wish you to come and join one nation.
[7:54] Speaker 2: But is the reality here that if you're going to
[7:57] Speaker 2: break up, you've got to stay broken up.
[8:00] Speaker 6: Well, you've got to make a decision and stick to it.
[8:02] Speaker 5: I mean, if if if you had, if you had
[8:05] Speaker 5: a partner.
[8:06] Speaker 6: Girl, if boy, whatever.
[8:08] Speaker 5: And he said I'm in the relationship, I'm out of
[8:10] Speaker 5: the relationship. I'm back in the relationship now I'm out
[8:12] Speaker 5: of the relationship, but I want to get back to
[8:14] Speaker 5: with you later on. You would say, I'm going to
[8:16] Speaker 5: help you out. You're gone, bye bye. If you don't
[8:19] Speaker 5: have to worry about don't see me Roses, just off
[8:22] Speaker 5: you go.
[8:23] Speaker 6: And you know it's just because if rather than worry.
[8:26] Speaker 5: About one nation, that's what's happened, that's what's driving it said,
[8:29] Speaker 5: worried about one nation.
[8:30] Speaker 6: Let's be honest about this. But you're just looking chaotic.
[8:33] Speaker 5: You know, come to a position with some coaching philosophy,
[8:36] Speaker 5: do your homework.
[8:38] Speaker 1: You should have.
[8:38] Speaker 5: It was so self evident you should never have supported
[8:41] Speaker 5: the censorship laws been called you know what hate speech.
[8:47] Speaker 5: You've gone legislation of course, and we know and support
[8:50] Speaker 5: we don't support it. And you know the burning of
[8:52] Speaker 5: the Istralian fable who we don't support that either.
[8:55] Speaker 6: But you're still sort of in a in a spine.
[8:58] Speaker 5: If you go back into a coalition and you're going
[8:59] Speaker 5: to appealed the gun laws, if you go back to
[9:02] Speaker 5: a coalition, are you going to demand that the censorship
[9:05] Speaker 5: laws be dropped? I mean, how does this all work?
[9:07] Speaker 5: It's the more you look at it, Paul, the more
[9:10] Speaker 5: you just you got more and more questions and even
[9:13] Speaker 5: with David. David's a member of the Queensland Division of
[9:16] Speaker 5: the Liberal Party, right, so when he goes back to
[9:19] Speaker 5: the LMP and queens Land, which is the Queensland division
[9:21] Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party, does he sit at the front
[9:23] Speaker 5: table with Susan Lee or they go to a separate room,
[9:30] Speaker 5: just like, I don't get it. It's it's just, it's
[9:33] Speaker 5: just it's becoming crazy by the moment and we need
[9:36] Speaker 5: to boot this socialist government out.
[9:39] Speaker 6: Mister Albinezi needs to be gone.
[9:42] Speaker 1: There is if.
[9:43] Speaker 6: Anybody else, at any other time, this guy would be toast.
[9:48] Speaker 5: But he's hanging around because he's just saying, well, look
[9:53] Speaker 5: at this circus.
[9:54] Speaker 2: Well this is the thing I mean politically, you know,
[9:55] Speaker 2: talk about you know, kissed by a rainbow. This is
[9:58] Speaker 2: a bloke whose personal life ability had flipped by twenty
[10:01] Speaker 2: five points in the negative after the response to Bondai.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Even poles popping up in you know Sidny Morning here
[10:07] Speaker 2: all in the age were showing majority of people didn't
[10:09] Speaker 2: like the way that he was handling things. However, one
[10:11] Speaker 2: thing that was very clear that even when they had
[10:13] Speaker 2: that view about the leadership, the overall number had not
[10:16] Speaker 2: changed essentially about were you willing to move and do
[10:20] Speaker 2: something different than you did in May. Now I'll get
[10:23] Speaker 2: to the one nation of it in a second, because
[10:24] Speaker 2: obviously it is the big factor in all of this.
[10:27] Speaker 2: But again, as a person who understands the inside of
[10:30] Speaker 2: how these things work, there is forever the tension between
[10:33] Speaker 2: city based libs who, because they are under pressure from
[10:37] Speaker 2: teals or teal light or all the rest of it,
[10:40] Speaker 2: they want to go in one direction. The nats they
[10:42] Speaker 2: either want to stay where they've always been or maybe
[10:44] Speaker 2: have to to take on a one.
[10:45] Speaker 1: Nation go in a different direction.
[10:47] Speaker 2: And of course it's bizarre when you've got one end
[10:50] Speaker 2: of the dog wanting to go this way, one end
[10:52] Speaker 2: going that way, and it eventually has created a tension
[10:55] Speaker 2: that in say a coke and pepsi market we've been
[10:58] Speaker 2: able to deal with broad Church has been okay when
[11:01] Speaker 2: the choice essentially was between A and B. But now
[11:06] Speaker 2: there's many different flavors in the vending machine, many more
[11:09] Speaker 2: different options at your local bottle though, which means the
[11:13] Speaker 2: whole design of the concept of that tension, and the
[11:18] Speaker 2: problem is is that the vast differences in priorities between
[11:22] Speaker 2: some of the wokohs in the cities and some of
[11:25] Speaker 2: the old schools in the country.
[11:28] Speaker 1: You can't be the same puppy anymore.
[11:31] Speaker 6: Well, I think you know well with one nation and
[11:36] Speaker 6: you've got to have.
[11:36] Speaker 5: Unity, clarity, strength, and you've got to say we've got
[11:40] Speaker 5: a unified position within the party and it's going in
[11:42] Speaker 5: this direction. We've got clarity on why. You know, for instance,
[11:46] Speaker 5: what's the last laws. The hate speech laws were just
[11:49] Speaker 5: a way of the Labor Party pulling out of the
[11:51] Speaker 5: top draw or the censorship laws they wanted to deliver
[11:54] Speaker 5: to the Australian people. So that because the hate speech
[11:57] Speaker 5: is only going one direction, it will be if you
[11:59] Speaker 5: don't like the less, it's hateful and if you don't
[12:01] Speaker 5: like the right, it's enlightened.
[12:03] Speaker 6: That's we know where this is going to end up.
[12:05] Speaker 6: And strength that you've.
[12:07] Speaker 5: Got to know you've got to go out and ardently
[12:10] Speaker 5: argue your case at the public forum, to convince people
[12:13] Speaker 5: of the merits of your argument and then stand behind
[12:16] Speaker 5: them and vote in that way and stuff of the consequences.
[12:19] Speaker 5: But you know what we have seen. I think in
[12:23] Speaker 5: this year, Paul, we've got a big issue coming our
[12:26] Speaker 5: way to twenty twenty six. MISSUS President Zijinping has said
[12:29] Speaker 5: he's going to take Taiwan by twenty twenty seven.
[12:31] Speaker 6: We all agree with that. He's either joking or he's serious.
[12:34] Speaker 6: I think he's serious.
[12:36] Speaker 5: Now when that happens, is going to be the greatest
[12:37] Speaker 5: calamity for Australia in our lifetime by far.
[12:41] Speaker 6: Not just militarily, which is horrendous.
[12:43] Speaker 5: What could happen there economically, your coal exports, your irony exports,
[12:47] Speaker 5: your gas exports, your BF ex sports, your value of
[12:50] Speaker 5: your dollar, what happens to inflation? This is really treacherous times.
[12:55] Speaker 5: And we as we in the Parliament need to be
[12:58] Speaker 5: preparing Australia for this, having these discussions and getting the
[13:02] Speaker 5: treasure out and say what is your plan, what's the
[13:04] Speaker 5: AIG Minister's plan, what's the Finance Minister's plan, what's your plan?
[13:08] Speaker 6: Prime Minister? How do we deal with this? But instead
[13:11] Speaker 6: we've got this I don't know what it is.
[13:13] Speaker 5: It's and I'll tell you what the partners on the
[13:17] Speaker 5: street will call you for this.
[13:18] Speaker 6: You think we'll have all.
[13:19] Speaker 5: These sort of myriads of positions in a day and
[13:22] Speaker 5: somehow you'll walk back into the Ktingle hotel and they'll
[13:24] Speaker 5: all say, oh, that all makes sense to us.
[13:26] Speaker 6: They're going to start laughing at you, and they're going
[13:28] Speaker 6: to say, mate, you are a clown. Get out of here.
[13:30] Speaker 2: Well, this is it, and you know, this is where
[13:32] Speaker 2: that the adult conversation is about whether and where the
[13:36] Speaker 2: hand has been overplayed, the demanding of the returning of
[13:38] Speaker 2: parliament not knowing and again theoretically Parliament needed to return
[13:42] Speaker 2: before Christmas because you know, if the government didn't have
[13:45] Speaker 2: its own legislation, they were going to work on their own,
[13:47] Speaker 2: which means again, none of this is a surprise. But
[13:50] Speaker 2: let me get to the one nation of it, because
[13:51] Speaker 2: obviously your polling frightens them because for example, let's be
[13:56] Speaker 2: straight up, in an upcoming Senate election, it'd be Roscadell
[14:01] Speaker 2: from the Nats probably most likely versus yourself. Theoretically for
[14:05] Speaker 2: the final Senate spot, given the primary vote at the
[14:08] Speaker 2: moment of one nation, it will be a little bit higher.
[14:11] Speaker 2: But that would play out state after state after state,
[14:13] Speaker 2: all right, So there would be an internal thinking inside
[14:16] Speaker 2: the National Party here which is, look, if we can
[14:19] Speaker 2: cleaver off from the Libs, then we get to say, hey,
[14:21] Speaker 2: one nation's already in the Parliament. We've already got lots
[14:23] Speaker 2: of senators, We've already got all of these different positions.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Has the success of your move to one nation and
[14:30] Speaker 2: what you and Pauline stand for been almost too successful
[14:34] Speaker 2: too quickly in that it gives on some degree the
[14:38] Speaker 2: National Party an opportunity to rebrand. Whether it's successful or not,
[14:41] Speaker 2: I think we all know.
[14:42] Speaker 1: But your thoughts, well.
[14:45] Speaker 5: I was talking to Pauline tonight. You know, we have
[14:47] Speaker 5: a professional relationship. I believe there's good chemistry there. We've
[14:51] Speaker 5: known each other for a long while, and you know
[14:53] Speaker 5: we're diligently in an adult like form. We're not really
[14:56] Speaker 5: concentrating on whether we beat the National Party on a position,
[15:00] Speaker 5: concentrating on what is the best outcome for Australia and
[15:02] Speaker 5: they let the people make up their mind. I think
[15:06] Speaker 5: that would be the thoughts paul without a shadow of doubt.
[15:09] Speaker 5: But you just misreading that. Ultimately, you don't make that
[15:13] Speaker 5: decision in CANBA. That's made by people at the ballot box,
[15:16] Speaker 5: and they're they're not stupid, They'll have a good memory
[15:21] Speaker 5: and an assessment of the facts, and maybe the National
[15:24] Speaker 5: Party I don't want them to play a bad game.
[15:27] Speaker 5: I really don't for our nation. I want them to
[15:28] Speaker 5: play a good gum. He's to lead the National Party
[15:30] Speaker 5: for goodness sake. Now for me, just watching this, of
[15:33] Speaker 5: course I get a sense of sadness because I just
[15:35] Speaker 5: go that's insanity, you know, get it together.
[15:40] Speaker 1: Now.
[15:40] Speaker 2: I'm with you completely, look Barnaby, strength of your hand.
[15:43] Speaker 2: Thank you for popping on so fast, taking time out
[15:45] Speaker 2: from the family on the farm, wild days that we
[15:48] Speaker 2: live in.
[15:48] Speaker 1: But again I'm with you again.
[15:49] Speaker 2: Five million people voted for the coalition of that last election,
[15:52] Speaker 2: obviously significant number on top of that for Libertarian One Nation,
[15:56] Speaker 2: a whole whole bunch of people who didn't want this
[15:58] Speaker 2: government to be in place. Anything that strengthens their hand
[16:01] Speaker 2: is bad for the country. That's our focus each and
[16:04] Speaker 2: every night, and we thank you and all the other
[16:07] Speaker 2: warriors trying to make the opposite happen when it comes
[16:10] Speaker 2: to the future of the country and whether this bloke
[16:12] Speaker 2: gets four more and then far more and then for more.
[16:15] Speaker 2: Thank you mate, appreciating. Yeah, I'm with you, part of me,
[16:17] Speaker 2: Joyce One Nation.
[16:21] Speaker 1: For New England.
[16:22] Speaker 2: And you just saw just how hands on he is
[16:23] Speaker 2: with the technology. All right, let's get to some other things.
[16:25] Speaker 2: We're talking about here this evening, including Australia Day. Now
[16:29] Speaker 2: Australia Day is just a few days away, and can
[16:31] Speaker 2: I just say this year, I'm not going to get
[16:34] Speaker 2: involved in the usual and the obvious, in the distraction
[16:37] Speaker 2: in the oh does the day mean many things to
[16:39] Speaker 2: many people? Guess what, No, Australia Day is about a celebration,
[16:44] Speaker 2: not of the events of seventeen eighty eight, or even
[16:47] Speaker 2: the events of the many years before and some very
[16:51] Speaker 2: dark years after. It is about an opportunity of millions
[16:53] Speaker 2: of people to be able to join the country and
[16:54] Speaker 2: for us to take a day to celebrate the greatness
[16:57] Speaker 2: of this country, of its complex cities. There is not
[17:01] Speaker 2: a land on Earth that does not have complex histories.
[17:04] Speaker 2: But of course for others, they see this as a
[17:07] Speaker 2: darker occasion. Well tonight proof that the majority think like
[17:11] Speaker 2: you and.
[17:12] Speaker 6: Me, great essentially Australian. We've got the beach here is
[17:16] Speaker 6: relaxed and happy.
[17:17] Speaker 3: Nothing more Australian than the beach and the giant.
[17:20] Speaker 7: Bung in the best country in the world.
[17:25] Speaker 8: You've got the hot air balloons cooking some land chops
[17:27] Speaker 8: for Australia Day, the US.
[17:28] Speaker 9: In the world.
[17:29] Speaker 4: You can do it. So float on the ocean in
[17:31] Speaker 4: a giant thung just a good place to be, isn't.
[17:34] Speaker 2: Now Because of the recall of Parliament, the hates speech
[17:37] Speaker 2: laws and everything to do with Bondai, we haven't really
[17:39] Speaker 2: gone through the traditional conversation, as I told you last night,
[17:43] Speaker 2: despite the fact that laws in specifically New South Wales
[17:46] Speaker 2: make it a crime to be involved in a mass
[17:48] Speaker 2: protest within multiple weeks of a terrorist attack, there will
[17:52] Speaker 2: be protests and they'll be the same ones that want
[17:54] Speaker 2: to view the twenty sixth of January as Invasion Day.
[17:58] Speaker 2: But amazingly today we've got an opinion poll from a
[18:00] Speaker 2: place that has been very very hot on the chances
[18:04] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party and the left of Australian politics.
[18:06] Speaker 2: So it ain't coming from some right wing traditional area.
[18:10] Speaker 2: The Roy Morgan Pole has now said seventy two percent
[18:13] Speaker 2: of Australian say January twenty six is Australia Day. That's
[18:17] Speaker 2: the point.
[18:19] Speaker 1: There are some.
[18:19] Speaker 2: Who believe that there should be perhaps a change of
[18:22] Speaker 2: the date, but seventy two percent say that January the
[18:24] Speaker 2: twenty sixth should be known as Australia Day.
[18:27] Speaker 1: That's what it should be, and.
[18:29] Speaker 2: This plays out any way you cut it. When it
[18:32] Speaker 2: comes to men, eighty percent of men say the twenty
[18:34] Speaker 2: sixth of January is Australia Day. Sixty percent of women
[18:39] Speaker 2: say that it is Australia Day. There isn't a joint
[18:43] Speaker 2: in the country that disagrees.
[18:44] Speaker 1: With this idea.
[18:45] Speaker 2: Obviously the Act potentially, but the twenty sixth of January
[18:50] Speaker 2: equals Australia Day. Seventy three percent support in New South Wales,
[18:54] Speaker 2: sixty five in Victoria, seventy eight in Queensland, seventy five
[18:57] Speaker 2: in Western Australia, seventy four percent in South Australia, seventy
[19:00] Speaker 2: two percent in Tasmania. Oh yeah, but maybe it's just
[19:04] Speaker 2: all of the oldies and like one hundred and ten
[19:05] Speaker 2: percent of them. Seventy two percent of eighteen to thirty
[19:08] Speaker 2: four year olds say the twenty sixth of January is
[19:11] Speaker 2: Australia Day. Sixty nine percent of thirty five to forty nine,
[19:15] Speaker 2: seventy two percent of fifty to sixty four sixty five
[19:17] Speaker 2: plus seventy four percent. For now, the Australian Day debate
[19:24] Speaker 2: has been one by the people who see it as
[19:28] Speaker 2: a day of positivity, people who are smart and aware
[19:32] Speaker 2: that a history is complicated and there are sins of
[19:36] Speaker 2: the past that forever we need to learn. But the
[19:40] Speaker 2: opportunities of the future, no matter how long you or
[19:44] Speaker 2: your family have been here or the future that you
[19:47] Speaker 2: and your family may have here, is unlimited. So no
[19:52] Speaker 2: matter what happens between now in Australia Day, I'm not
[19:54] Speaker 2: going to be talking about the people who want to
[19:57] Speaker 2: argue the very minority position, because again, poll after poll
[20:02] Speaker 2: after poll show us one thing relentlessly that the more
[20:06] Speaker 2: they march and the more they scream and the more
[20:08] Speaker 2: you get talked down to, the more you want a
[20:11] Speaker 2: national day.
[20:12] Speaker 1: And that day is Australian Day.
[20:17] Speaker 2: When it comes to the gun laws, which is frankly
[20:20] Speaker 2: the more impactful thing that the Federal Parliament did, rather
[20:24] Speaker 2: than the hate speech laws or those. Of course there's
[20:26] Speaker 2: other shoes to drop there. The gun laws are the
[20:29] Speaker 2: ones that are going to be playing out for well
[20:33] Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of Australians. As I've told you before,
[20:36] Speaker 2: almost a minion people in Australia are licensed to own
[20:39] Speaker 2: a firearm. There are more than four million firearms in Australia.
[20:44] Speaker 2: The suggestion that the law abiding citizens of Australia need
[20:47] Speaker 2: to pay the penalty for those who are accused of
[20:51] Speaker 2: murder is a logic that they don't agree with and
[20:55] Speaker 2: a circle that they don't believe she'd be squared. And
[20:58] Speaker 2: as I've said many times on this program, aware of
[21:01] Speaker 2: how guns are a tool in regional areas, I also
[21:05] Speaker 2: think that there is some need for moderation about how
[21:08] Speaker 2: many somebody is able to warn in the cities. But
[21:10] Speaker 2: that argument's done. But it's not just what the federal
[21:13] Speaker 2: Parliament has done. Because the Federal Parliament really only has
[21:15] Speaker 2: the opportunity to fund the gun buyback. How many you're
[21:20] Speaker 2: able to and what type is to be decided at
[21:22] Speaker 2: a state level. Nussiwas and Western Australia, well, they've gone
[21:26] Speaker 2: the whole hog, saying that you can only have four
[21:29] Speaker 2: as an individual, ten if you're a primary producer. The
[21:32] Speaker 2: Northern Territory said sorry, we're not playing in the any
[21:35] Speaker 2: of this. And today Queensland have confirmed what I told
[21:38] Speaker 2: you last night, which was the Queensland will not be
[21:41] Speaker 2: involved with this either. They may do something somewhere down
[21:44] Speaker 2: the track, but I can give you the tip the
[21:46] Speaker 2: thresholds are going to be a lot higher than four
[21:48] Speaker 2: for the individual and ten for the primary producer.
[21:50] Speaker 1: Here's the premier.
[21:52] Speaker 8: Anti Semitism, hatred and guns in the hands of terrorists
[21:58] Speaker 8: and criminals. That is shamedly our focus. And I've seen
[22:03] Speaker 8: what's unfolded in Canberra, and there has been most Australians
[22:08] Speaker 8: have looked at it and have thought it's a very
[22:10] Speaker 8: confusing debate and some might say even a little chaotic,
[22:14] Speaker 8: and I don't want that. In Queensland.
[22:16] Speaker 2: The Prime Minister for his party is starting to learn
[22:18] Speaker 2: the lessons that national cabinet is just an idea and
[22:21] Speaker 2: nothing binding.
[22:23] Speaker 10: They're accountable for their own decisions. And I had a
[22:29] Speaker 10: constructive discussion with Premier Chris a fully last week. I
[22:35] Speaker 10: dis agree with his position, respectfully and I don't think
[22:39] Speaker 10: it's in the interests of Queenslanders or the nation to
[22:44] Speaker 10: not have national uniform laws.
[22:47] Speaker 2: Now, an interesting contribution was made today by Anastasia Palochet.
[22:51] Speaker 2: Yes you know how big a fan I was of
[22:53] Speaker 2: Queen Palochet. Well, her view is that if the Queensland
[22:57] Speaker 2: government does not do something about this, well that might
[22:59] Speaker 2: be popular in the regional areas which are largely represented
[23:02] Speaker 2: by the LNP, including areas in and around places like Townsville,
[23:07] Speaker 2: further in and further up. But of course the majority
[23:10] Speaker 2: of people and thus the majority of seats in the
[23:12] Speaker 2: Queensland Parliament are in the southeast. Her belief is that
[23:15] Speaker 2: if the Queensland government doesn't do something, this could be
[23:18] Speaker 2: a one term government. Now, of course she'd say that
[23:20] Speaker 2: because she hates the Liberal Party, but worth noting.
[23:24] Speaker 7: This is a problem for the state government here. It
[23:27] Speaker 7: could cost David Christofully the next election.
[23:30] Speaker 10: The people in the.
[23:31] Speaker 7: Southeast of this state, especially around Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast,
[23:36] Speaker 7: they want to see Queensland participate with the federal government
[23:41] Speaker 7: in this gun buyback. We've had wayan biller here in
[23:44] Speaker 7: Queensland where you know, people had access to guns.
[23:51] Speaker 2: Now, I think there is something worth noting here because
[23:53] Speaker 2: again that is the reality. Part of the election strategy
[23:55] Speaker 2: that was successful for multiple terms, multiple terms longer than
[23:58] Speaker 2: that terrible government that she and then Stephen Miles led,
[24:02] Speaker 2: was being able to play the numbers in the southeast
[24:04] Speaker 2: versus the broader areas of Queensland. Now, my suggestion is
[24:10] Speaker 2: is that Queensland probably will end up doing something. The
[24:12] Speaker 2: thresholds will be way higher than what the federal issue
[24:15] Speaker 2: is if nothing else to avoid, what is ending up
[24:18] Speaker 2: going to be the attack from the Labor Party. And
[24:21] Speaker 2: I doubt the chances of Stephen Miles being returned to
[24:23] Speaker 2: the premiership improve with any day if a Labour Party
[24:27] Speaker 2: changes its leader. Maybe, but I think again Queensland deserves
[24:30] Speaker 2: its fresh start, is getting a fresh start, has a
[24:33] Speaker 2: government that is attuned for doing what it can to
[24:35] Speaker 2: make the lives of Queensland is better. But don't give
[24:38] Speaker 2: them a free kick on things like this. Again, I'm
[24:40] Speaker 2: not sitting here and suggesting that to people watching us
[24:42] Speaker 2: in regional Queensland. Right now it's time for everyone to
[24:44] Speaker 2: take the weapons that you use as a tool on
[24:46] Speaker 2: the farm each and every day. But what I am
[24:48] Speaker 2: saying is elections are about numbers, and numbers are about population,
[24:52] Speaker 2: and the population of the Southeast does matter. So there
[24:55] Speaker 2: probably will be some law sometime and one just quick
[25:01] Speaker 2: thing about these hate laws. And again a little more detail,
[25:04] Speaker 2: And sadly because of the rushed process here, the devil
[25:07] Speaker 2: is always in the detail, and the detail starts to
[25:09] Speaker 2: be a little clearer as the days roll on. But
[25:12] Speaker 2: how fast that whole process means nobody was able to
[25:14] Speaker 2: keep up with it in particular, as you know, plenty
[25:17] Speaker 2: voted four, plenty voted again stand it was in part
[25:19] Speaker 2: one of the catalysts about why we're in a situation
[25:22] Speaker 2: where there are no members of the National Party in
[25:24] Speaker 2: the coalition shadow cabinet, meaning the coalition is effectively one
[25:28] Speaker 2: in name only tonight. That's not happy news for me
[25:31] Speaker 2: to report. That's not a happy instance for me to discuss,
[25:34] Speaker 2: but that is the reality of tonight. It will obviously,
[25:37] Speaker 2: no doubt dominate the show. But as you know, in
[25:39] Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours there's been plenty AA and
[25:41] Speaker 2: plenty may from an.
[25:43] Speaker 11: Anti racism point of view, an anti semitism point of view,
[25:46] Speaker 11: if I.
[25:47] Speaker 7: Am pleased, we couldn't support a bill that might have
[25:50] Speaker 7: criminalized peaceful protesters calling out human rights abuses in other nations.
[25:56] Speaker 5: The reason we needed that dual response tackling hate crimes
[25:59] Speaker 5: and hate speed which as well as guns, was that
[26:01] Speaker 5: we needed that combination of measures.
[26:03] Speaker 4: Most Prime Minister has been playing politics on this piece
[26:06] Speaker 4: of legislation from the start, looking forward to hopefully protecting
[26:10] Speaker 4: vulnerable communities better. We've got to sort out hate right
[26:13] Speaker 4: across the board.
[26:14] Speaker 9: But on the balance of things, yes, this is a positive.
[26:16] Speaker 2: Thing vulnerable communities, what like Gordon at mper Anyway. Now,
[26:22] Speaker 2: of course, just like with the gun laws, this is
[26:26] Speaker 2: not something that is necessarily nationwide about what all of
[26:29] Speaker 2: the different standards are about what means hate, what means
[26:32] Speaker 2: all of these things instead, Again that is something just
[26:35] Speaker 2: like the gun laws, it has to be navigated between
[26:37] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and all of the premiers, between the
[26:40] Speaker 2: federal government and all of the different states. The one
[26:44] Speaker 2: thing that this federal legislation does, essentially, it does give
[26:49] Speaker 2: even greater power to states that have gone further than others.
[26:54] Speaker 2: This is part of the problem. That's say a Victorian
[26:57] Speaker 2: standard of hate laws ends up becoming the national one,
[27:01] Speaker 2: even though the state based laws of say a Queens
[27:03] Speaker 2: there in New South Wales, South Australia, Tazzy or anywhere
[27:06] Speaker 2: else West Australia I think is the only one I
[27:08] Speaker 2: left off the list Northern Territory Act. See everyone mentioned.
[27:11] Speaker 2: That's what becomes the problem. Well, here's some devil in
[27:14] Speaker 2: the detail. Here is the next shooter drop. Here is
[27:17] Speaker 2: what I planned to lead our show with this evening
[27:20] Speaker 2: if there was an otherwise breaking news, because it's that
[27:22] Speaker 2: damn important for.
[27:23] Speaker 1: You to know.
[27:25] Speaker 2: Last year, the Victorian government passed another new series of
[27:29] Speaker 2: laws that were all in and around trying to stop
[27:32] Speaker 2: vilification and hate. That's from the Victorian Government's website. In it,
[27:39] Speaker 2: it has created new criminal standards that can be punishable
[27:44] Speaker 2: by multiple years in jail. Today we learned that the
[27:51] Speaker 2: Victorian government is now planning to go after social media
[27:57] Speaker 2: companies if they're where platforms are used to commit the
[28:03] Speaker 2: Victorian definition of vilification or hate. Social media companies will
[28:08] Speaker 2: face legal action for allowing hate speech to proliferate on
[28:11] Speaker 2: their platforms. After Victoria secured national support and a new
[28:15] Speaker 2: anti vilification laws targeting online extremism, as police were empowered
[28:19] Speaker 2: to lay charges directly in what the Allen government hopes
[28:22] Speaker 2: will create a series of tests for hate speech. Problem
[28:27] Speaker 2: is the difference between hate speech, vilification and the Victorian
[28:31] Speaker 2: standard is ridicule. Causing serious ridicule of someone is grounds
[28:39] Speaker 2: to be charged, potentially found guilty and jailed under this legislation.
[28:45] Speaker 2: The term severe ridicule sits against terms such as hatred,
[28:52] Speaker 2: against serious contempt, revulsion towards severe ridicule. Now, part of
[29:02] Speaker 2: what they are trying to do is to say that
[29:04] Speaker 2: often social media is the way that people are, in
[29:08] Speaker 2: this case victims of vilification. That may well be the
[29:12] Speaker 2: case in terms of some things which you said about
[29:16] Speaker 2: certain social religious, sexual groups. I understand, but I am
[29:21] Speaker 2: somewhat concerned about what is the definition of severe ridicule.
[29:26] Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was the focus of severe ridicule when
[29:31] Speaker 2: AI platforms we use to create fake images of him
[29:34] Speaker 2: in a bikini. Now, yes, it's all created for you
[29:38] Speaker 2: to giggle as of putting as those images are. And
[29:41] Speaker 2: by the way, just to show that I'm not willing
[29:43] Speaker 2: to physically embarrass or severely ridicule the Prime Minister without
[29:46] Speaker 2: ridiculing myself, the same technology has been used on me.
[29:52] Speaker 1: AI is generous to the tummy though, But imagine this.
[29:56] Speaker 2: Imagine a situation where you could potentially go to jail
[30:00] Speaker 2: because the Victorian hate law says that severe ridicule and
[30:05] Speaker 2: remember this is often not about whether somebody thinks you were,
[30:08] Speaker 2: whether you say you were. Imagine that being the standard
[30:13] Speaker 2: for you to be able to go to jail. And
[30:15] Speaker 2: everything that happened in Canberra over the past couple of
[30:17] Speaker 2: days makes it even harder to be able to defend
[30:21] Speaker 2: yourself in situations like the one I've just shown you.
[30:26] Speaker 2: I look forward to that image being somewhat distorted in
[30:28] Speaker 2: the next little while. All right, let's talk about what's
[30:30] Speaker 2: happening with the Nats and a whole lot more stick around,
[30:32] Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss. It's a big, busy breaking
[30:34] Speaker 2: news night here on Palmurray Live on scot News. Thank
[30:37] Speaker 2: you so much for watching. We will discuss not a
[30:39] Speaker 2: National in the shadow cabinet? Meaning is there really a coalition?
[30:42] Speaker 2: Susan Li says, she hopes there is? But would you
[30:47] Speaker 2: think there still is? I wouldn't think so we'll talk
[30:49] Speaker 2: about it next.
[30:54] Speaker 1: What to night.
[30:54] Speaker 2: The breaking news of this evening is is that every
[30:57] Speaker 2: single National who was serving in the shadow Cabinet of
[30:59] Speaker 2: Susan is now no longer in there. Why because the
[31:03] Speaker 2: ones who voted against the coalition and a negotiated position
[31:06] Speaker 2: when it came to the hate laws, Well they had
[31:08] Speaker 2: to resign. Why because you can't be a member of
[31:11] Speaker 2: the shadow cabinet and then vote against its decisions. Otherwise, well,
[31:15] Speaker 2: what is the point of trying to pull these things
[31:17] Speaker 2: together at all? That then triggered a threat from the
[31:21] Speaker 2: Nationals leader David Little Proud, which was that every sitting
[31:24] Speaker 2: Nationals MP who was the shadow minister was going to
[31:26] Speaker 2: walk away. That is what has happened. Susan Lee tonight
[31:29] Speaker 2: is saying that she has spoken to David Little Proud
[31:31] Speaker 2: and she is hoping to keep the coalition together. Remember,
[31:34] Speaker 2: of course the coalition already broke straight after the election
[31:37] Speaker 2: was able to be renegotiated and put back together again.
[31:40] Speaker 2: But who knows how many times Humpty Dumpty will be
[31:42] Speaker 2: able to be put back together again. The best I
[31:45] Speaker 2: could do with our team of writers here, Lucy Zelich
[31:47] Speaker 2: is here as always you can read in the Daily Telegraph,
[31:49] Speaker 2: here on the radio, and see a here so often,
[31:51] Speaker 2: love your dullam and always here to help in a
[31:53] Speaker 2: man who I'm sure is just so devastated watching political
[31:56] Speaker 2: enemies fall apart like this is Stephen Conroy, Steven.
[32:00] Speaker 1: I'll start with you.
[32:01] Speaker 2: Firstly, Happy new year as self destruction goes. This is
[32:05] Speaker 2: great to be back.
[32:06] Speaker 1: This is a whole new level man.
[32:10] Speaker 11: Look, I've not seen the sort of self inflicted wounds
[32:16] Speaker 11: like this in a very long time. And the Labor
[32:19] Speaker 11: Party back in the seventies was brilliant, well, probably sixties
[32:23] Speaker 11: and seventies was brilliant at keeping itself in opposition. It
[32:28] Speaker 11: was purity of policy above all else. This is a
[32:32] Speaker 11: little different. This is like the National Party in sheer
[32:36] Speaker 11: panic of the possibility of losing, particularly Queensland seats, but
[32:42] Speaker 11: many seats to one nation, because when you see a
[32:45] Speaker 11: twenty percent figure, that means they're probably polling very significantly
[32:50] Speaker 11: higher than the Liberal Party primary or National Party primary
[32:53] Speaker 11: in those Queensland seats, and so they are in a
[32:57] Speaker 11: blind panic. They are looking after themselves first. I don't
[33:02] Speaker 11: care if they destroy Susan Lee. She's you know, I
[33:07] Speaker 11: predicted to be gone by Christmas. I was wrong, but
[33:10] Speaker 11: she could be gone before Parliament sits again in early February.
[33:15] Speaker 11: So she's scored an enormous own goal. You know, she said, I,
[33:20] Speaker 11: you know, I want parliament back before you know this Christmas.
[33:24] Speaker 11: I'm writing legislation, like, where's the legislation, where's your alternative
[33:30] Speaker 11: policy position? Because she clearly couldn't get the coalition to
[33:34] Speaker 11: back an actual position on this rather than running in
[33:36] Speaker 11: different directions. So well, also, this is incredible self inflicted wounds.
[33:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the thing is, I've always argued
[33:44] Speaker 2: and I've always wondered and I've always wanted to see,
[33:46] Speaker 2: not quite as a political stump, but just as an exercise.
[33:48] Speaker 2: Right if somebody could walk into any parliament, the Senate
[33:52] Speaker 2: and try and move a one line piece of legislation
[33:54] Speaker 2: which is Australians have a right to free speech, all
[33:56] Speaker 2: right now, we know that that would all the heads
[33:59] Speaker 2: would explode. The reality of what we've just seen about
[34:01] Speaker 2: what's played out in Canberra is no, we don't now
[34:04] Speaker 2: when we have a look at that, say that Victorian
[34:06] Speaker 2: standard about ridicule, potential jail terms for that, what does
[34:10] Speaker 2: that mean to what extent? What do you have to
[34:12] Speaker 2: do to prove it? And then all of this gets compounded.
[34:14] Speaker 4: By seriously surprised though poorly.
[34:18] Speaker 9: Government.
[34:18] Speaker 2: Well yeah, I get it, but I just want people
[34:20] Speaker 2: to know. But now we're in a scenario where you've
[34:22] Speaker 2: got this where the opposition largely argued after BONDI let's
[34:28] Speaker 2: get back, let's shave in a new law, let's somehow
[34:31] Speaker 2: either change the laws or I don't know what the
[34:33] Speaker 2: expectations were. And I hate to say it, but the
[34:37] Speaker 2: idea that on Monday the polls were showing Olbow down
[34:41] Speaker 2: twenty five points in terms of personal likability and by Wednesday,
[34:46] Speaker 2: his political opposition is now blowing itself up. This is
[34:49] Speaker 2: an extraordinary series of own goal.
[34:52] Speaker 4: And an extraordinary capitulation. You know only I think it
[34:56] Speaker 4: was just over two weeks ago. She was responding to
[34:59] Speaker 4: a really dim witted reporters questions about whether or not
[35:03] Speaker 4: she would like to see or whether or not she
[35:05] Speaker 4: would oppose introducing into legislation, you know, further criminalization for
[35:10] Speaker 4: hate speech in the context of the LGBT and other
[35:13] Speaker 4: minority communities like you know, the people with disabilities, et cetera.
[35:18] Speaker 4: And I remember watching it all play out and thinking,
[35:20] Speaker 4: absolute and utter moron. We already have legislation at our
[35:23] Speaker 4: disposal for that. It's called the Sex Discrimination Act and
[35:26] Speaker 4: also the Disability Discrimination Act. We have already had so
[35:29] Speaker 4: many things at our disposal that this government could have
[35:31] Speaker 4: enacted in this situation that weren't being used. But she
[35:36] Speaker 4: was able to successfully dispatch that reporter and say, this
[35:39] Speaker 4: is not what these laws are intended to legislate and
[35:44] Speaker 4: to actually tackle. It's about tackling anti semitism. It's about
[35:48] Speaker 4: being targeted in our approach, and it's not a license
[35:52] Speaker 4: to go after free speech. Then not long after that
[35:55] Speaker 4: we're seeing this posturing right from others like Andrew Hasty,
[35:59] Speaker 4: who just over seven days ago said that he would
[36:01] Speaker 4: not be voting for this bill. What happens, we'd see
[36:04] Speaker 4: a total flip flop from guys like that, who have
[36:08] Speaker 4: sold himself as a poster boy and a future leader
[36:11] Speaker 4: of this political party. He's absolutely disgraced himself. People on
[36:16] Speaker 4: principle are disgusted by what has happened in the last
[36:20] Speaker 4: forty eight hours. We knew that the Coalition didn't have
[36:23] Speaker 4: the numbers to be able to successfully defeat things, particularly
[36:26] Speaker 4: when it got to the Senate when it came to
[36:28] Speaker 4: the hate speech laws, but on principle it was an
[36:30] Speaker 4: opportunity for them to say, no, we're not doing deals
[36:33] Speaker 4: with the devil and getting into bed with labor. And
[36:37] Speaker 4: also on principle, we're going to protect free speech. This
[36:40] Speaker 4: is too chaotic. It's been rushed. But she dug the
[36:43] Speaker 4: grave herself. As you said, she demanded that everyone get
[36:46] Speaker 4: back into Parliament early, we need to do this.
[36:49] Speaker 9: What was her plan?
[36:50] Speaker 6: Well?
[36:51] Speaker 2: Also, I mean also in terms of the Nationals and
[36:53] Speaker 2: the Nationals movement here, as you said, Stephen, the reason
[36:57] Speaker 2: they're doing this, and I said, it to Barnaby before
[36:59] Speaker 2: is that I think the internal thinking and often political
[37:02] Speaker 2: people sometimes up their own backside of thinking that tactics
[37:07] Speaker 2: can solve everything and they can triangulate and all the
[37:10] Speaker 2: rest of it. Obviously, the assumption is, look, if the
[37:14] Speaker 2: NAT's split from the Lips, they don't know if you'd
[37:16] Speaker 2: be defined by sort of you know, the softies and
[37:19] Speaker 2: all the rest of it. Right, they can be hardcore.
[37:21] Speaker 2: They can turn around and spend the next two years
[37:23] Speaker 2: saying well, look, you know, don't don't worry about one nation. Effectively,
[37:26] Speaker 2: one nation is already in the parliament now again very
[37:29] Speaker 2: friendly with lots of nationals and very friendly with lots
[37:32] Speaker 2: of one nation people and very friendly with lots of lips. Right,
[37:34] Speaker 2: so I'm not picking one here in and around the other.
[37:37] Speaker 2: But as the strategy goes, do you think that's what
[37:40] Speaker 2: the internal decision he is is that the reality was
[37:43] Speaker 2: they want to be untedthered from the internal conversation about
[37:47] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and which direction it has to go
[37:50] Speaker 2: to save its ass.
[37:53] Speaker 11: Look, amend porl Ketti famously said, you know, I've always
[37:56] Speaker 11: backed the horse name self interest. It's the only one
[37:59] Speaker 11: that's really trying and the National Party absolutely do not
[38:04] Speaker 11: care about the coalition. They do not care whether the
[38:08] Speaker 11: Liberal Party can lead them to a.
[38:10] Speaker 1: Victory in the future.
[38:11] Speaker 11: They care about their bums on their seats and they
[38:14] Speaker 11: don't care who they have to shoot to get to
[38:19] Speaker 11: that position of saving their own seats. They are wetting
[38:23] Speaker 11: their pants.
[38:26] Speaker 4: But they're also awhere, Steven, that they're now in a
[38:28] Speaker 4: situation where this is the Titanic, right, the ship is
[38:31] Speaker 4: sinking and now an attempt to try and mend this
[38:34] Speaker 4: and try and patch up this already very ailing relationship
[38:38] Speaker 4: is like rearranging the deck chairs. There's no point. But
[38:42] Speaker 4: can you blame them for that?
[38:44] Speaker 9: Really?
[38:44] Speaker 2: Well no, But sorry, Steve, I'm going to because I
[38:47] Speaker 2: mean Lucy to further to what you've been saying tonight
[38:51] Speaker 2: hitting at for a long time as well, which is
[38:54] Speaker 2: moral clarity.
[38:55] Speaker 1: Right.
[38:55] Speaker 2: I believe in what I believe. I've always believed in
[38:57] Speaker 2: what I believe in. There's a straight line rights every
[39:00] Speaker 2: week or every particular situation.
[39:01] Speaker 4: Sheep floppers.
[39:02] Speaker 2: One of the reasons why Pauline Hanson and One Nation
[39:05] Speaker 2: is doing what they're doing right now is because Pauline
[39:06] Speaker 2: has been in the same spot since the late ninety nineteen.
[39:10] Speaker 4: Think back to thirty years ago, poorly right, when the
[39:13] Speaker 4: whole John Howard gun buyback scheme was going in and
[39:17] Speaker 4: it was so controversial at the time, but it was
[39:20] Speaker 4: lauded by labor leaders Kim Beasley and others who gave
[39:23] Speaker 4: him support, including the Nationals at that time as well.
[39:25] Speaker 4: That supported John Howard's position. Guess who was against gun
[39:29] Speaker 4: reform then thirty years ago. Pauline Hanson. It's why she
[39:33] Speaker 4: started to surge in the polls in Queensland and resonated
[39:36] Speaker 4: so well. That really was the catalyst for her popularity.
[39:40] Speaker 4: Guess what she's still against thirty years later, gun reform.
[39:44] Speaker 4: She has not flip flopped. What she's been saying about
[39:46] Speaker 4: immigration hasn't changed. What she's been saying about all of
[39:50] Speaker 4: these other issues. About our energy policy is about coal
[39:54] Speaker 4: fire power. It's all the same. This version of the coalition,
[39:58] Speaker 4: who knows who they are.
[40:00] Speaker 2: We've got an idea about what that hint of orange
[40:01] Speaker 2: is on the dress, Whether it is one nation colored
[40:04] Speaker 2: or not. We will find out as the year rolls on.
[40:06] Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Lucy, Thank you Steven. Sorry to
[40:08] Speaker 2: be so brief, but obviously breaking news and our mates
[40:11] Speaker 2: at Megan Kelly standing by, Thank you all right. A
[40:13] Speaker 2: little reminder, by the way, tomorrow night, Tomorrow night, our
[40:16] Speaker 2: dear friend, beautiful friend, Charry Markson will be hosting the
[40:20] Speaker 2: Service of Remembrance for the Bondo victims. You will be
[40:23] Speaker 2: able to see this on the air here on Sky News.
[40:26] Speaker 2: You saw the pop up a little bit earlier there.
[40:28] Speaker 2: Light will win tomorrow seven pm. The Prime Minister, the
[40:33] Speaker 2: Governor General, the Nissowil's Premier and many of the family
[40:35] Speaker 2: members affected by all of this, all of it live
[40:38] Speaker 2: and owning on Sky News. Sharry at the absolute heart
[40:40] Speaker 2: of it as well. She should be good stuff, all right,
[40:44] Speaker 2: Quick break back with more Meghan Kelly. Next on Palmori Life.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Time to talk about favorite person in the world, the
[40:53] Speaker 2: wonderful Meghan Kelly. It's been way too long. We've had summer,
[40:56] Speaker 2: We've had big news, You've been skiing.
[40:58] Speaker 1: How are you mate?
[41:00] Speaker 3: I'm so good. I've missed you guys. It's been too long.
[41:03] Speaker 9: As right now I.
[41:04] Speaker 1: Want to talk about Trump.
[41:05] Speaker 2: Obviously, he is on his way to Davos, where he'll
[41:07] Speaker 2: be giving a big speech in the next.
[41:09] Speaker 1: Couple of days.
[41:09] Speaker 2: I never understand why he goes to Davos. That's sort
[41:12] Speaker 2: of the ultimate hive of the establishment. But what incredible
[41:17] Speaker 2: things we've been seeing in the past twenty four hours.
[41:20] Speaker 2: I love that he's been copying and pasting the text
[41:22] Speaker 2: messages from world leaders, because I love that the message
[41:26] Speaker 2: that Trump is sending to any and everyone is there's
[41:29] Speaker 2: no side doors, there's no back doors, there's no secret
[41:32] Speaker 2: way of being the Trump whisperer. All of it is
[41:34] Speaker 2: on his terms all the time.
[41:37] Speaker 3: Yes, I mean he does that all the time. We
[41:40] Speaker 3: see him at the White House. Just when one faction,
[41:43] Speaker 3: let's say, of his base, thinks that they've got Trump
[41:46] Speaker 3: under their control, he invites somebody from the other faction
[41:50] Speaker 3: to the White House and make sure that they get photographed.
[41:53] Speaker 3: He is constantly sending messages that he is controlled by
[41:57] Speaker 3: no one. He doesn't care if you've done needed big
[42:00] Speaker 3: dollars to him, if you've advocated for him as a
[42:03] Speaker 3: talking head, if you're a world leader who did him
[42:06] Speaker 3: a favor, he doesn't care. It's like you're really only
[42:10] Speaker 3: as good as Trump decides you are in his world.
[42:13] Speaker 3: And yeah, these world leaders, I mean they do. They
[42:16] Speaker 3: are kind of sick of fans around Trump. They understand
[42:19] Speaker 3: that the way to his heart is to flatter him,
[42:21] Speaker 3: and certainly not to pull like a Zelenski the way
[42:23] Speaker 3: he was when he first came to the Oval. And
[42:26] Speaker 3: if that's the price of passage, you know, to get
[42:28] Speaker 3: into Trump's head and heart, so be it. I mean,
[42:31] Speaker 3: I think if I were a world leader, I do
[42:32] Speaker 3: it too.
[42:34] Speaker 1: Now.
[42:34] Speaker 2: Today I gave an incredible press conference which was all
[42:37] Speaker 2: the wall boasting about the achievements one year of Donald Trump,
[42:41] Speaker 2: of course, that being the twentieth in the United States
[42:44] Speaker 2: twenty first of January here, and the single biggest achievement
[42:48] Speaker 2: that he has had since becoming president is closing the
[42:51] Speaker 2: border and he is doing his best to get rid
[42:54] Speaker 2: of millions of people who came into the country. When
[42:56] Speaker 2: Joe Biden was looking the other way, I thought this
[42:59] Speaker 2: was a great way of standing and robbing people's faces
[43:03] Speaker 2: in it. That the reason mass deportation is necessary, the
[43:06] Speaker 2: reason Ice goes door to door is because Biden let
[43:10] Speaker 2: millions in.
[43:12] Speaker 3: Yes, it absolutely is the right thing to do, because
[43:13] Speaker 3: Trump's numbers on this issue are going downhill. The mainstream
[43:17] Speaker 3: media and the constant barrage of negativity around what Ice
[43:21] Speaker 3: is doing in Minnesota has hurt him. It's driving numbers
[43:24] Speaker 3: up on whether people want to abolish ice, on whether
[43:27] Speaker 3: they think the ice officer was in the right or
[43:31] Speaker 3: not when he defensively fired his gun at Renee Good,
[43:35] Speaker 3: the female ice agitator who is bothering people and blocking
[43:38] Speaker 3: traffic all day, and then tried to she absolutely did
[43:42] Speaker 3: accelerate her car right into him as she was apparently
[43:46] Speaker 3: trying to flee. So the numbers are changing and not
[43:48] Speaker 3: for the better for Trump on that score. So he
[43:50] Speaker 3: does need to get out there, or something needs to
[43:52] Speaker 3: get out there. And nothing can disrupt the news cycle
[43:55] Speaker 3: like Donald J.
[43:56] Speaker 9: Trump.
[43:56] Speaker 3: Nobody can do it for him. Christynome can't do it.
[43:59] Speaker 3: Tom Holman can do it, Don Junior.
[44:01] Speaker 9: No one.
[44:01] Speaker 3: Maybe Milania, if she would give an interview on it,
[44:04] Speaker 3: she might be able to do it. But short of that,
[44:06] Speaker 3: you need the big Daddy himself. So it was good
[44:09] Speaker 3: that he actually spoke to it, and he softened his
[44:11] Speaker 3: message on Renee Good herself, for whom I'm sure he
[44:15] Speaker 3: has no tolerance. I mean, honestly, Trump is a law
[44:18] Speaker 3: and order kind of guy. I'm sure he does not
[44:19] Speaker 3: appreciate the antagonism that he saw from her in the streets.
[44:23] Speaker 3: But he understands that there are a lot of people
[44:25] Speaker 3: who didn't like that whole visual, and he's being clever politically.
[44:30] Speaker 1: And what about this pole?
[44:31] Speaker 2: Forty of Democrats think that some of these lunatics that
[44:34] Speaker 2: are protesting against the immigration police have not gone far enough.
[44:39] Speaker 1: Why do you think that's the cause?
[44:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're bored, they're unattractive, they have no
[44:47] Speaker 3: fun social life. No one's getting any action, I mean none.
[44:52] Speaker 3: You have all the piercings. You're calling attention to your septum. No,
[44:55] Speaker 3: that's not hot on anybody. Don't call attention to your septum.
[44:59] Speaker 3: That's like, I don't know that. I could think of
[45:01] Speaker 3: a lot of more attracted parts of the body I'd
[45:03] Speaker 3: like to call attention to than the septum. Ew Instead,
[45:07] Speaker 3: they're little iPhone warriors looking into themselves like.
[45:12] Speaker 9: Today's the day I might die.
[45:15] Speaker 3: Okay, you're not gonna know. Actually, no, you're going to
[45:17] Speaker 3: the Starbucks with a whistle. That's your day. You're gonna
[45:21] Speaker 3: annoy a bunch of people with your loud screaming. And
[45:23] Speaker 3: I just think they have these empty, soulless, godless lives.
[45:28] Speaker 3: So yeah, they're getting a lot of support from fellow
[45:30] Speaker 3: leftists who have been soulless and godless for a long
[45:33] Speaker 3: long time.
[45:35] Speaker 1: Oh, I love you, I love you.
[45:36] Speaker 2: It's so good to be back, So good to be
[45:38] Speaker 2: back on the Telly with you now. Did you see
[45:40] Speaker 2: the news as well? Megan Mickael our all Night. Her
[45:43] Speaker 2: show is now over, apparently when it comes to Netflix.
[45:46] Speaker 1: But was it ever really here? That's the question.
[45:49] Speaker 3: These are what we call in the law lies, Paul,
[45:53] Speaker 3: we call them lies. She doesn't think it's too much work.
[45:58] Speaker 3: She would give her eye teeth to have more work,
[46:01] Speaker 3: like she did in the with Megan special. It was
[46:05] Speaker 3: canceled because nobody was watching it. People it was like
[46:09] Speaker 3: they loved her, and twenty eighteen when she married Prince
[46:12] Speaker 3: Ari then surely thereafter they hated her because she started
[46:16] Speaker 3: calling everyone racist, including the Queen, the queen's husband who
[46:20] Speaker 3: was dying, pretty much everyone, and then her entire new country.
[46:25] Speaker 3: She mocked the queen with her exaggerated curtsie. She pretended
[46:29] Speaker 3: the queen didn't care if she lived or died, that
[46:30] Speaker 3: she complained to get to kill herself, and the queen's
[46:33] Speaker 3: emissaries were like, eh, bye. So everyone then came to
[46:38] Speaker 3: hate her. Then for a period it was fun to
[46:41] Speaker 3: hate her. And now I think we've just truly moved
[46:44] Speaker 3: on to indifference.
[46:45] Speaker 9: We don't care.
[46:46] Speaker 3: We really wish you were over in the UK, those
[46:49] Speaker 3: of us here in America, but some people we have
[46:51] Speaker 3: to deal with because she is technically an American. I
[46:54] Speaker 3: got saddled with him too, But in an event, now
[46:56] Speaker 3: people just don't care. And it was fun to make
[47:00] Speaker 3: of the special the first season, and then we had
[47:02] Speaker 3: to pretend that the second season was real, but it wasn't.
[47:06] Speaker 3: It was very, very fake, just like It's Star it was.
[47:10] Speaker 3: She shot twelve episodes and snipped the tape in between
[47:13] Speaker 3: six and seven, and literally as soon as the last
[47:15] Speaker 3: episode of her first season was released, she.
[47:17] Speaker 9: Was like, I've been renewed. Okay.
[47:20] Speaker 3: They never brought the director, the craft's services, tray, the trucks,
[47:24] Speaker 3: the setup, back to Megan Markle's fake house to shoot
[47:28] Speaker 3: a second season. It was all done in one sitting.
[47:32] Speaker 3: This is all lies to try to make her look
[47:34] Speaker 3: more successful than she is, which is really the tagline
[47:37] Speaker 3: of her entire professional life. So of course there's no
[47:41] Speaker 3: third season. They couldn't even get people to watch the
[47:43] Speaker 3: fake second season. It was down at the bottom of
[47:45] Speaker 3: the Netflix ratings. And right now whatever those two touch turns.
[47:49] Speaker 2: To thank you Gorge. We'll see you again next week.
[47:53] Speaker 3: I miss you and I look forward to seeing you soon,
[47:56] Speaker 3: maybe in Greenland.
[47:57] Speaker 1: She is the best, isn't she?
[47:59] Speaker 5: All?
[47:59] Speaker 1: Right now?
[48:00] Speaker 2: Politicians doing stupid things on social media normally mentioned at
[48:03] Speaker 2: the start of the show.
[48:04] Speaker 1: It is how it will end this evening show. What
[48:06] Speaker 1: an example I've got for you?
[48:12] Speaker 2: Now, you know how I love showing you politicians who
[48:15] Speaker 2: are not just paid by us, but then we have
[48:16] Speaker 2: to pay their staff to make bad social media videos
[48:19] Speaker 2: of them. Lots of breaking news tonight, so I couldn't
[48:21] Speaker 2: do it normally we call it while you were working.
[48:23] Speaker 2: Have a look at this labor MP who has the
[48:25] Speaker 2: right to write the laws of this country that we
[48:28] Speaker 2: have to obey by.
[48:31] Speaker 9: Oh won't it take messicle?
[48:44] Speaker 2: We just got a puppy, but you don't see me
[48:47] Speaker 2: filming anyway. That's how they talk down to you, and
[48:50] Speaker 2: they just want you to shut up and pay your taxes. Thankfully,
[48:53] Speaker 2: we have the right to push back and we will

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