# Paul Murray Live | 12 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 12 Jul 2026, 48 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/99ab9d36-6ecd-4af6-bfe9-b48500c963b1/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Labor weighs how to push One Nation down the ballot through preference deals as Education Minister Jason Clare brands the Coalition and One Nation "all vanilla." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Skying Sector. This is Paul Burray Live. Hello gang, thank
[0:07] Speaker 1: you so much for watching. Thank you, James, come on
[0:08] Speaker 1: into the man cave. We're an awful lot of work
[0:10] Speaker 1: to do tonight. But as you will have heard over
[0:13] Speaker 1: the past couple of days, my friend Darren Hinch died
[0:16] Speaker 1: on Friday. It was confirmed. I loved him very much.
[0:21] Speaker 1: He was very very kind to me for a very
[0:24] Speaker 1: long period of time. It's no secret that towards the
[0:28] Speaker 1: end kind of disagreed more than we agreed on things,
[0:31] Speaker 1: which meant we didn't hang out much or have that
[0:35] Speaker 1: much in common in terms of a worldview. But I'm
[0:40] Speaker 1: forever thankful that when I was trying to put one
[0:43] Speaker 1: foot in front of the other in this business, a
[0:45] Speaker 1: bloke who had hit heights that I could never dream
[0:49] Speaker 1: of and never will be able to achieve, was always
[0:52] Speaker 1: so generous in giving of his time. I remember some
[0:57] Speaker 1: really nice, lovely, low conversations when we would have pizza
[1:04] Speaker 1: before he would come on the show here a few
[1:07] Speaker 1: years ago, when I would go to his apartment when
[1:11] Speaker 1: he was crook to see how much he loved that
[1:16] Speaker 1: balcony that, thankfully he never had to leave in the end.
[1:23] Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been a difficult couple of days, and
[1:27] Speaker 1: coming so relatively soon after rich O, who was similarly
[1:32] Speaker 1: somebody that I looked up to when it came to politics,
[1:35] Speaker 1: and coming so soon after Clive Robertson, of course I
[1:38] Speaker 1: love very much. It never gets normal, you don't take
[1:45] Speaker 1: it in your stride. It hurts, and you hurt about
[1:51] Speaker 1: where a friendship ends. But Annette, who worked with him
[1:58] Speaker 1: right up until the end, me the most incredible text
[2:01] Speaker 1: message that he always viewed me as his media son
[2:04] Speaker 1: and that he was very proud of me, and that
[2:07] Speaker 1: absolutely put everything right in terms of what I was
[2:10] Speaker 1: feeling towards the end and feeling a little bit guilty
[2:14] Speaker 1: about not being as present as I could and should
[2:16] Speaker 1: have been to him. And certainly he would have absolutely loved,
[2:23] Speaker 1: and I mean loved that he was the lead story
[2:26] Speaker 1: one last time, not the tribute after the second break
[2:31] Speaker 1: just before Sport, but right up there, top story, leads story,
[2:35] Speaker 1: breaking news. And that's because he lived a life that
[2:41] Speaker 1: it's pretty difficult to work out how any of us
[2:43] Speaker 1: would be able to live it. I wouldn't have the
[2:44] Speaker 1: strength to go to jail. The relationships, the lifestyle, as
[2:50] Speaker 1: he always said, he got hired for being Hinch, and
[2:51] Speaker 1: he got fired for being Hinch, And you know, he
[2:55] Speaker 1: had such huge swings of everything from wealth to relevance.
[2:59] Speaker 1: But he also did perhaps the bravest thing of his career,
[3:03] Speaker 1: which was to put his name on the ballot paper.
[3:06] Speaker 1: And as much as Hinch it was a figure in
[3:09] Speaker 1: radio and print, he was somebody didn't really dabbl that
[3:12] Speaker 1: much in the politics of things, not really getting involved
[3:15] Speaker 1: in the left right horse race until his radio career
[3:19] Speaker 1: had finished up. And then he decided, no, we're going
[3:21] Speaker 1: to put his name on a ballot, and he put
[3:23] Speaker 1: his name on the ballot, and he got elected to
[3:25] Speaker 1: the Senate. And he was forever incredibly proud, and he
[3:29] Speaker 1: would always post on his Facebook page about every little
[3:32] Speaker 1: memento from his time in the Senate, because obviously, as
[3:35] Speaker 1: any person, we all look for that moment where we're
[3:39] Speaker 1: going to be part of a history, not a trivia question,
[3:41] Speaker 1: not Wikipedia, but sort of, in his case, a particularly
[3:45] Speaker 1: exclusive club. And he received that by becoming a Hall
[3:48] Speaker 1: of Fame broadcaster, hall of fame journalist, but being able
[3:51] Speaker 1: to be part of a very small group of people
[3:54] Speaker 1: who've been elected to our federal Parliament, let alone elected
[3:57] Speaker 1: to the Senate. So yes, his last couple of years
[4:01] Speaker 1: were painful, but he lived life in the best possible way, right,
[4:04] Speaker 1: which was all gas, no breaks. He collected lots of friends,
[4:08] Speaker 1: he lost lots of friends, but he lived an incredible, big,
[4:11] Speaker 1: loud life, a fearless life and one that I am
[4:15] Speaker 1: so so thankful for that he shared so much of
[4:18] Speaker 1: it with me as he did. So I'll miss your dad,
[4:23] Speaker 1: but thank you for everything, and I will be the
[4:25] Speaker 1: bearded bloke on TV from now on for you. All right,
[4:31] Speaker 1: let's get to the news of the day. Now. The
[4:34] Speaker 1: Labor Party has been desperately trying to work out how
[4:36] Speaker 1: are they going to find some sort of a knockout
[4:38] Speaker 1: blow to push back one nation. Now. I've shown you
[4:41] Speaker 1: before about one of the ways they were going to
[4:43] Speaker 1: do this, and they've done it pretty successfully through the
[4:45] Speaker 1: Union movement, which is to scare labor voters that are
[4:48] Speaker 1: a little bit one nation curious about whether they were
[4:53] Speaker 1: going to make the leap to one nation, and they've
[4:55] Speaker 1: sort of scared them about things like their industrial relations policy,
[4:59] Speaker 1: and according to the polic that's kind of worked. But there's
[5:04] Speaker 1: this new tactic which is a little similar to the
[5:08] Speaker 1: tactic that isn't really about labor voters. It's just about
[5:11] Speaker 1: kind of the lowest card in the race, and it's
[5:14] Speaker 1: one they remember the Democrats. For all the complexities and
[5:18] Speaker 1: dark arts of politics, there's kind of sometimes every now
[5:22] Speaker 1: and then like high school politics, and by that I
[5:25] Speaker 1: mean like friend politics, not even like student counsel high
[5:29] Speaker 1: school politics. And remember when the Democrats would just referred
[5:32] Speaker 1: to Trump as weird and Republicans as weird and voters
[5:36] Speaker 1: as weird. And this became remember weeks and weeks and
[5:38] Speaker 1: weeks of the word weird, even though they were the
[5:41] Speaker 1: weird ones and Biden was the weird one. Well, Albo
[5:46] Speaker 1: has been, along with his ministers, trying to say that
[5:49] Speaker 1: one nation's weird. The Liberals are weird, the Nationals are weird.
[5:53] Speaker 1: By extension, anyone who supports them is weird. And for
[5:57] Speaker 1: those who don't care about politics as much as you
[5:58] Speaker 1: and I, in the end, you're going to go with
[6:01] Speaker 1: Labor because they're not the weird ones, even though we
[6:03] Speaker 1: all know they're the weird ones, not just because of
[6:06] Speaker 1: their philosophies, but about what they do, how they behave,
[6:09] Speaker 1: how they bs, how they gaslight, how they turn lies
[6:12] Speaker 1: into law. All of that. Well, today we saw a
[6:16] Speaker 1: new version of the You're just weird game and it
[6:20] Speaker 1: now involves the race card. Jeez, I wonder what vanilla
[6:25] Speaker 1: might be code for the Education Minister referring about the
[6:29] Speaker 1: monoculture debate. This was his excuse for using the term vanilla.
[6:34] Speaker 1: But this is what he said. Now, let's supplement a
[6:37] Speaker 1: flavor of ice cream and be pretty obvious here he's
[6:41] Speaker 1: saying white.
[6:43] Speaker 2: The fact that the Liberal Party, with all of that
[6:45] Speaker 2: record that they should be proud of, can't even say
[6:48] Speaker 2: the word multiculturalism or of reeks of desperation. We've got
[6:52] Speaker 2: three right wing parties at the moment, the Libs, the
[6:56] Speaker 2: Nats and One Nation. They're like the Neapolitan ice cream
[6:59] Speaker 2: of Australian politics. The problem is they all want to
[7:02] Speaker 2: be vanilla.
[7:05] Speaker 1: Because what are the other two colors of Neopolitan ice cream?
[7:10] Speaker 1: Brown and pink? But nobody wants to be the brown.
[7:14] Speaker 1: Come on, like as dog whistles go, This one could
[7:19] Speaker 1: be heard by like a stuffed toy dog, which is
[7:24] Speaker 1: that One Nation lives in nationals. They're just for the
[7:26] Speaker 1: weird white people, not modern Australia. But of course Chris Bowen,
[7:32] Speaker 1: champion of multiculturalism, Jason Clare, champion of multiculturalism. Well, they
[7:37] Speaker 1: of course subscribe to a theory which is that the
[7:39] Speaker 1: Labor Party are the ones who get you, but the
[7:42] Speaker 1: leaders have to be white and the blokes are white
[7:46] Speaker 1: because that's the way the system works, right, and come on,
[7:50] Speaker 1: come on again, Likeel, dislike Paulin Nnson, likeel dislike one nation,
[7:54] Speaker 1: dislike or like the Liberals or the Nats. If truly
[7:58] Speaker 1: we have just got down to everyone but us is
[8:02] Speaker 1: the white party, the vanilla party. I mean, what an
[8:07] Speaker 1: insult again to people who, just like every other skin color,
[8:11] Speaker 1: don't choose it. But by that, the suggestion is that
[8:14] Speaker 1: the culture and the values and the discussions and the
[8:17] Speaker 1: flag and all, it's just white. It's finnilla. It doesn't
[8:20] Speaker 1: have any inherent value, it has no nutritional value. It's
[8:26] Speaker 1: a screen. Now, maybe I'm putting too much thought into it,
[8:31] Speaker 1: but that's the message they're sending, right, and they're not
[8:34] Speaker 1: very subtle when they do it. But the latest opinion
[8:37] Speaker 1: poll has come out and it shows, yes, another scenario
[8:41] Speaker 1: where one nation has lost a couple of points, but
[8:43] Speaker 1: this time it is not the Labor Party. In fact,
[8:46] Speaker 1: believe it or not, it is the Libs that have
[8:49] Speaker 1: actually been the beneficiary of the most recent change, where
[8:54] Speaker 1: a month ago it was paul Enhansen was the preferred
[8:57] Speaker 1: prime minister according to the Resolve Pole. The headline on
[9:00] Speaker 1: the Channel nine News tonight was very clear, the only
[9:03] Speaker 1: thing in this poll worth paying attention to was Pauline
[9:06] Speaker 1: Vanilla White has gone down.
[9:09] Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen's slide in the polls has continued, with the
[9:13] Speaker 3: One Nation leader no longer the country's preferred prime minister.
[9:18] Speaker 1: And of course the headlines similarly continues to slide in
[9:21] Speaker 1: the polls, losing the brief stint there was one pole
[9:25] Speaker 1: it was an outlier as her as the preferred prime
[9:27] Speaker 1: minister because of course she's in the Senate, she's not
[9:29] Speaker 1: in the lower House. So the poll was interesting a
[9:33] Speaker 1: month ago and it's interesting now, but it's not the
[9:35] Speaker 1: actual political reality right now. But what's really interesting is
[9:40] Speaker 1: when you actually have a look at the two people
[9:42] Speaker 1: in the Lower House running to be the prime minister,
[9:45] Speaker 1: the current and the alternative, and basically Australia is split
[9:50] Speaker 1: thirty three thirty three thirty three everywhere. In fact, according
[9:54] Speaker 1: to the poll that they didn't mention on the Channel
[9:57] Speaker 1: nine News tonight. Jeez, I wonder why, because of course
[9:59] Speaker 1: it's all about Paul Hanson, Paul and Hansen, bad Paul
[10:01] Speaker 1: and Hanson, Vanilla, Paul and Hansen, populist Pauline Hansen, right wing,
[10:05] Speaker 1: right wing Vanilla. You get the point right. You can
[10:09] Speaker 1: see Taylor thirty two, Alberanesi thirty one undecided or the
[10:14] Speaker 1: bug of them all. Thirty seven percent nationally is currently
[10:19] Speaker 1: the number, as for in New South Wales it is
[10:24] Speaker 1: Taylor thirty five undecided thirty four and Albanzi thirty one undecided.
[10:30] Speaker 1: In Victoria thirty seven, Taylor thirty four, twenty nine Albanesi
[10:35] Speaker 1: in Queensland thirty eight undecided or none of the above
[10:38] Speaker 1: thirty four Taylor, twenty eight Albanesi. The only thing that
[10:43] Speaker 1: props him up as the preferred prime minister conversation are
[10:46] Speaker 1: the rest of the country numbers West Australia, South Australia, Tasmania.
[10:50] Speaker 1: And these polls, unlike say the Hugo Pole, don't really
[10:53] Speaker 1: heavily sample those areas. Hence wild all just gets thrown
[10:56] Speaker 1: together as a rest of country number. But again, can
[11:00] Speaker 1: we replay the introduction from the Channel nine News, did
[11:05] Speaker 1: they talk at all about how the current prime minister
[11:07] Speaker 1: is running third in the real race of preferred prime minister.
[11:13] Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's slide in the polls has continued, with the
[11:17] Speaker 3: One Nation leader no longer the country's preferred prime minister.
[11:21] Speaker 1: They didn't even do a story on it. They just
[11:23] Speaker 1: sort of read the polls and it was about thirty seconds.
[11:25] Speaker 1: Because anything other than the headline, yes, which is One
[11:28] Speaker 1: Nation coming down a little bit and that preferred prime
[11:30] Speaker 1: minister fan fiction That was around a month ago and
[11:34] Speaker 1: I called it fan fiction. Then no, no, that's the
[11:38] Speaker 1: headline right their own poll. They get access to it now.
[11:42] Speaker 1: It all gets released at six pm. Presumably they were
[11:44] Speaker 1: able to see it well and truly before six pm
[11:46] Speaker 1: because it's put together by the Resolved Political Monitor, which
[11:49] Speaker 1: does it for the newspapers. They're owned by the same
[11:51] Speaker 1: company as the TV station. Right, prime Minister's performance fifty
[11:58] Speaker 1: five percent bad, very bad, good or very good thirty
[12:04] Speaker 1: five percent, I don't know, but the story is Pauline handsome.
[12:07] Speaker 1: As for the overall primary vote, Labor back on top
[12:11] Speaker 1: twenty eight percent, but basically no change in the past
[12:15] Speaker 1: couple of months. Instead what the One Nation Party has
[12:18] Speaker 1: lost the Libs are now starting to gain. Now, is
[12:22] Speaker 1: this the beginning of the end of one Nation? No?
[12:25] Speaker 1: Is this the beginning that the one Nation vote that
[12:28] Speaker 1: they made lose Over the next little while they've already
[12:31] Speaker 1: kind of washed out some of those labor people and
[12:34] Speaker 1: now it's going to be in exchange back with the
[12:36] Speaker 1: Liberal Party. Yeah. Maybe, Obviously we'll get lots of polls.
[12:39] Speaker 1: We've got a Scottish pulse coming up on Tuesday. But
[12:42] Speaker 1: you think pro the majority of Australians seek the Prime
[12:44] Speaker 1: Minister is doing a bad or a very bad job.
[12:46] Speaker 1: Would that be the headline? No, no, no, no, paul In handsome, pulling, handsome,
[12:49] Speaker 1: pulling handsome. And then they put this poll up, which
[12:53] Speaker 1: was people's opinions of all of the different policies that
[12:56] Speaker 1: she has, including apparently the single most important one because
[12:59] Speaker 1: it's at the top of the lip. Many younger workers
[13:02] Speaker 1: are lazy. You think that's the number one thing Pauline
[13:05] Speaker 1: Hanson's about anyway, Fifty percent of people agree with her,
[13:07] Speaker 1: twenty three percent disagree. The most popular stuff seventy two
[13:11] Speaker 1: and seventy three percent of people agree. We should look
[13:13] Speaker 1: carefully into the n dies because they might be rauting
[13:15] Speaker 1: or poverty is a problem in Australia. Oh yeah, and
[13:19] Speaker 1: about migration, you know the thing that also Australians kind
[13:22] Speaker 1: of like her on Just twenty percent of people disagree
[13:25] Speaker 1: with her, fifty three percent agree with her. No no,
[13:28] Speaker 1: but the headline, the headline, the headline, So her most
[13:31] Speaker 1: popular positions migration least popular position though, And this is
[13:36] Speaker 1: something that's important for those who constantly rallying about selling
[13:39] Speaker 1: off the ABS. And you may have noticed, I'm not
[13:41] Speaker 1: somebody who ever talks about that stuff in that I'm
[13:43] Speaker 1: not a fan of it. The least popular ones are
[13:47] Speaker 1: thirty five Sorry, twenty nine percent of people say SBS
[13:51] Speaker 1: should be defunded by the government. Well, only twenty nine
[13:53] Speaker 1: percent support, thirty six percent don't support that, thirty one
[13:57] Speaker 1: percent support reducing a funding of the ABC making its
[14:00] Speaker 1: fription service. Forty percent don't approve of that. But no, no, no.
[14:04] Speaker 1: The real story is the preferred Prime Minister number that
[14:07] Speaker 1: only existed in one poll. Once it's changed, the sky
[14:11] Speaker 1: is falling in Vanilla, Vanilla, weird, weird. I've got a
[14:15] Speaker 1: few more examples about this, and some of the news
[14:18] Speaker 1: language that is being used. This is the character assassination stuff.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Now again, it'll be fine if they used far left
[14:25] Speaker 1: to describe the Greens or far left to describe Lydia thought,
[14:29] Speaker 1: but they never get that prefix. It's only right wing
[14:33] Speaker 1: populist that applies, because it's all about trying to make
[14:36] Speaker 1: them weird. Now, as we remember, last week was dominated
[14:41] Speaker 1: by Telstra and their technical failings. Now again, do I
[14:45] Speaker 1: think they should pay compensation? Absolutely? Do I think they
[14:48] Speaker 1: should be extra data that no one's going to use?
[14:49] Speaker 3: No?
[14:50] Speaker 1: Do I think they should discount everyone's bill next month? Yet? Probably?
[14:53] Speaker 1: But the truth is it's a machine, and like all
[14:56] Speaker 1: machines are not going to be perfect, right, Steam trains
[14:59] Speaker 1: aren't perfect, cold firepower stations aren't perfect. Solo arms aren't perfect.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Sometimes something goes wrong, and yes a lot of us
[15:05] Speaker 1: are interconnected. But that's the reality. Right. Oh, but now
[15:11] Speaker 1: an opportunity to change your subject to get away from
[15:14] Speaker 1: age care reforms that don't work when she was the
[15:17] Speaker 1: age care minister, or the travel routing that she still
[15:22] Speaker 1: hasn't really explained, I stand by because the Minister for freebies. Well,
[15:26] Speaker 1: it's time for Telstra to face the music. What's the music?
[15:32] Speaker 4: The last few days have been really difficult for many
[15:34] Speaker 4: Australians and now that Telstra has resolved its adage, it
[15:39] Speaker 4: is time for Telstra to face the music.
[15:43] Speaker 1: What does it mean? Remember she was the one who
[15:47] Speaker 1: had said that the government had done every you know,
[15:50] Speaker 1: had changed the system, that the triplo system would work.
[15:52] Speaker 1: Now because she's the one who put the system in
[15:54] Speaker 1: place that they didn't put in place for a whole
[15:56] Speaker 1: year before Optus, I don't know, but they must face
[15:59] Speaker 1: the music and the reality. It's just not the government
[16:01] Speaker 1: that stuffed this one up. Your position went too far
[16:04] Speaker 1: last week trying to turn it into a scandal for
[16:06] Speaker 1: the government. It was a machine owned by a private
[16:09] Speaker 1: company that broke down. Now, I don't know. No one's
[16:14] Speaker 1: going to know within twenty four hours whether it was
[16:16] Speaker 1: a machine that was neglected or they cut a corner
[16:18] Speaker 1: somewhere else, but a part of the machine broke If
[16:21] Speaker 1: like me, you're like your motorsport, you know that like
[16:23] Speaker 1: the twenty cent washer, could be the problem rather than
[16:29] Speaker 1: the most complicated part of the machine. That's what happens
[16:32] Speaker 1: happens with rockets, right, So yeah, it's going to happen
[16:35] Speaker 1: with phone systems. Oh, but face the music they will,
[16:38] Speaker 1: and you know the music they're going to face. Politicians
[16:43] Speaker 1: getting angry at them. Now, this is a wonderful way
[16:46] Speaker 1: of distracting from the reality of their responsibilities. It's a
[16:49] Speaker 1: private company, it's not owned by the taxpayer anymore. But
[16:52] Speaker 1: Sarah Hanson young, Oh, we will have a hearing. We
[16:56] Speaker 1: will get them to come and be yelled at by
[16:59] Speaker 1: US politician. I reckon, tell stro'll be okay. I haven't
[17:05] Speaker 1: noticed a huge drop in customers or people saying they're
[17:08] Speaker 1: going to get rid of them? Was last week? Good?
[17:10] Speaker 3: No?
[17:10] Speaker 1: Could the company had done better? Yes? Are we now
[17:13] Speaker 1: getting to the grandstanding bit? Oh? Yeah, all right? Irn
[17:20] Speaker 1: war is ticking up again after the Iranians unsurprisingly unsurprisingly
[17:26] Speaker 1: didn't actually carry out on all of their promises when
[17:30] Speaker 1: it came to getting rid of their nuclear program or
[17:32] Speaker 1: staying out of the strait of Humus. Donald Trump has
[17:37] Speaker 1: said that a thousand missiles are locked and loaded and
[17:40] Speaker 1: aimed at the Islamic Republic of Iran, with thousands more
[17:43] Speaker 1: to immediately follow should the Iranian government act on its threat. Now,
[17:49] Speaker 1: we have all heard too much for too long about
[17:52] Speaker 1: they're going to be wiped off the map, and it
[17:53] Speaker 1: never happens good because civilians. I don't want civilians to die.
[17:57] Speaker 1: They can keep whacking away at government target but this
[18:00] Speaker 1: is not a democratically elected government. They're not going to
[18:02] Speaker 1: be turned by the opinion polls. It's a regime, and
[18:08] Speaker 1: the political regime the Republican Guard, then the army is
[18:15] Speaker 1: millions of people, in the tens of millions of people
[18:18] Speaker 1: who live in that country, which doesn't mean Iran is right.
[18:20] Speaker 1: In fact, no wrong, more than happy to push them around,
[18:24] Speaker 1: more than happy to change their leaders without their choice.
[18:26] Speaker 1: I'm completely with that. I'm completely aware that the strait
[18:29] Speaker 1: of a mouse is something that they can use collectively
[18:31] Speaker 1: as some sort of a bargaining ship with the rest
[18:34] Speaker 1: of the world until they get what they want. But
[18:36] Speaker 1: I don't quite buy into every We're going to wipe
[18:39] Speaker 1: them off the face of the earth because they don't.
[18:41] Speaker 1: They haven't they would have by now. But again, just
[18:47] Speaker 1: as Telstra was a convenient excuse for the Minister for
[18:50] Speaker 1: Freebies Jim Chalmers, remember two of the three interest rate
[18:54] Speaker 1: rises that happened before the Iran War, because he and
[18:58] Speaker 1: the government were running in flat too high. Well, he's
[19:01] Speaker 1: been getting another get out of jail free for the
[19:03] Speaker 1: second half of the year. Now, I wonder whether this
[19:06] Speaker 1: means that they will give us back the petrol tax
[19:11] Speaker 1: increase that they put up this month. Oh no, they'll
[19:13] Speaker 1: just stick with that forever. Right, he's saying that it
[19:16] Speaker 1: is now a fresh economic threat. Remember the Strait was
[19:20] Speaker 1: barely open for a couple of weeks. But no, no, apparently
[19:23] Speaker 1: everything was okay and now everything's wrong again. Didn't do
[19:27] Speaker 1: it in a press release, but instead I think a
[19:28] Speaker 1: conversation with a reporter in the nine newsroom stables. Like
[19:33] Speaker 1: the rest of the world, we are monitoring day to
[19:35] Speaker 1: day developments as if you have some sort of better
[19:37] Speaker 1: technical ability than everyone else does watching television. We very
[19:43] Speaker 1: closely because so much hinges on a proper ceasefire and
[19:46] Speaker 1: the permanent reopening of the Strait. Noticing doesn't hook into Iran,
[19:49] Speaker 1: doesn't say Iran stop. It's just a lovely smoke screen
[19:53] Speaker 1: for all the problems that were already problems before the
[19:56] Speaker 1: war not having to be dealt with. The longer this
[19:58] Speaker 1: drags on, the more serious consequences for inflation and growth
[20:02] Speaker 1: here and around the world. So even when they've got
[20:05] Speaker 1: enough that to do. Whether there's a ceasefire or no
[20:07] Speaker 1: cease fire. Government wins. Why because all of their bad
[20:10] Speaker 1: work that led to two out of three interest rate rises.
[20:13] Speaker 1: That means we are basically exactly where we're in twenty
[20:15] Speaker 1: twenty four when every pole told us they were going
[20:17] Speaker 1: to get rid of the government. They win again. They
[20:21] Speaker 1: get let off the damn hook. Now, one of the
[20:25] Speaker 1: theories on this program is that I love to be
[20:27] Speaker 1: as annoyed with you about how they spend your money.
[20:31] Speaker 1: You work hard for it. Government doesn't have any other
[20:33] Speaker 1: way of getting money than essentially taxation. The single largest
[20:37] Speaker 1: source of that taxation those of us that are paid
[20:41] Speaker 1: a wage, and they take their scoop. So I talk
[20:45] Speaker 1: about other people's money. Another perfect example about other people's
[20:50] Speaker 1: money was remember the Bureau of Meteorology website update that
[20:53] Speaker 1: actually turned out to be an absolute catastrophe last year.
[20:59] Speaker 1: You remember Poorly Designer?
[21:02] Speaker 5: Do I like it?
[21:03] Speaker 6: I like the old fashioned line.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Only a government department could spend ninety six million dollars
[21:07] Speaker 2: and get it that role.
[21:08] Speaker 4: I'm a bomb enthusiast, as we talked about earlier, and
[21:12] Speaker 4: I just didn't show the aggression that was there, So
[21:14] Speaker 4: you found a.
[21:14] Speaker 7: Question for using to navigate I.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Did, yeah, very much. Shame I won't lie, And maybe
[21:21] Speaker 1: it's a getting older thing. I am also a bomb enthusiast.
[21:26] Speaker 1: I've got all the apps and all what's happening with
[21:28] Speaker 1: the rain, and what will happen next day and what happened.
[21:30] Speaker 1: We're all into it right and clearly I'm not a farmer,
[21:33] Speaker 1: but you're just interested bomb enthusiast. Do you consider yourself
[21:37] Speaker 1: to be a bomb enthusiast? Imagine that? Do you think
[21:39] Speaker 1: that'll come up when people are dating? Hi, I'm a
[21:42] Speaker 1: bomb enthusiast. What about you? Redline if you're not well?
[21:46] Speaker 1: Of course, it costs ninety six million dollars for them
[21:49] Speaker 1: to design the system that ultimately didn't work. Why am
[21:54] Speaker 1: I talking about this all again because the firm that
[21:57] Speaker 1: was behind the changes that cost ninety six million dollars
[22:01] Speaker 1: to one freaking website has now been given another one
[22:05] Speaker 1: hundred and seventy million dollars worth of work from the
[22:07] Speaker 1: Labor Government. Among the work that's been awarded to Eccentia
[22:14] Speaker 1: was a December contract with the Australian Lictoral Commission. The
[22:18] Speaker 1: project was initially valued for thirty million dollars. Then the
[22:20] Speaker 1: contract's total cost has been revised three separate occasions to
[22:24] Speaker 1: now sixty six million dollars. Separately, the Australian Digital Health
[22:29] Speaker 1: Agency in May, you know what, thanks for screwing up
[22:32] Speaker 1: the bomb, come work with us fifty one million dollars
[22:37] Speaker 1: Accential was also working. In March it got a fifteen
[22:42] Speaker 1: point seven million dollar contract with the Australian Climate Service.
[22:46] Speaker 1: So even though they screwed up the Bureau of Meteorology,
[22:49] Speaker 1: you know which, of course, is the hourly and daily
[22:50] Speaker 1: information that eventually goes into the weekly, the month of
[22:53] Speaker 1: the yearly, the decadely climate picture. Now no, here's another
[22:56] Speaker 1: fifteen point seven do for them what you did for us.
[23:00] Speaker 1: They also got eleven and a half million dollar contract
[23:03] Speaker 1: with the Australian Taxation Office, seventeen million dollars goross two
[23:06] Speaker 1: Defense Department contracts and nine point six million spread across
[23:10] Speaker 1: a dozen other federal projects. So there's either no one
[23:14] Speaker 1: else who can do the job, or there's no punishment,
[23:17] Speaker 1: no accountability when you do a bad job. Other people's money.
[23:23] Speaker 1: We pay it, they spend it, and they keep giving
[23:25] Speaker 1: it to the people who you think might get a
[23:27] Speaker 1: little time in the time out box, Just a little
[23:29] Speaker 1: time in the time out box, like say a year
[23:35] Speaker 1: a little preview. This week, the focus of the Antisemitism
[23:39] Speaker 1: Royal Commission is going to focus in and around the
[23:41] Speaker 1: failures of our educational institutions. All of students are going
[23:47] Speaker 1: to be talking about their experience, particularly on campus, and
[23:50] Speaker 1: how campus leadership frankly looked the other way or didn't
[23:54] Speaker 1: do enough. There'll be more about that as the week
[23:58] Speaker 1: rolls on. The final fourteen James for the World Cup
[24:01] Speaker 1: have now been decided. England is one of them. Many
[24:04] Speaker 1: believe France is probably on their way towards the march
[24:07] Speaker 1: here of winning. Which's how good to be if England
[24:09] Speaker 1: gets to the final, if they can finally bring it home.
[24:11] Speaker 1: But now I've mentioned it as for the semis, when
[24:14] Speaker 1: are they going to be? When can you see them? Well,
[24:16] Speaker 1: the final will be next Sunday in the morning Saturday
[24:19] Speaker 1: night American time. But on Wednesday at four am is
[24:24] Speaker 1: when France will play Spain. The next day at four
[24:28] Speaker 1: am on Thursday morning is when he's going to be
[24:32] Speaker 1: England versus Argentina. All right, and then the World Cup
[24:36] Speaker 1: Final will be over by this time next week. And
[24:41] Speaker 1: speaking of tax and speaking of how hard we all work, well,
[24:44] Speaker 1: of course we all pay too much tax to pay.
[24:46] Speaker 1: Too many politicians, let alone their staff, is to make
[24:49] Speaker 1: too many bad social media videos like this one. And
[24:54] Speaker 1: I won't even I'm a senator. This bloke again is
[25:02] Speaker 1: on the fringes of the ministry.
[25:05] Speaker 6: Dear Patrick, My partner and I felt the weight lift
[25:07] Speaker 6: off our shoulders. I know it will take time to
[25:10] Speaker 6: have an effect, but it's a change for the better.
[25:12] Speaker 6: Young Australians can finally buy their first home, making housing
[25:16] Speaker 6: affordable for all. Again, that's what Sabbatsten wrote to me
[25:20] Speaker 6: about Labour's changes to make sure that more people can
[25:22] Speaker 6: get into the home of their own.
[25:26] Speaker 1: Hang on, just me have a look at my tics
[25:29] Speaker 1: messages here. Yeah, that's right. Blue is the stuff you right,
[25:36] Speaker 1: White is the stuff you get sent. So is there
[25:39] Speaker 1: a chance he might have sent that to himself? No,
[25:42] Speaker 1: of course not. That's absolutely a real person. And as
[25:46] Speaker 1: for the Climate Change minister, well, Casanova's fiddling with batteries.
[26:10] Speaker 1: Thank you all, Presidente. Remember that's you know, this guy's
[26:13] Speaker 1: so amazing he can do to the world what he's
[26:15] Speaker 1: done to us brilliant quick breakback with my no Sooks,
[26:18] Speaker 1: No Lefties tonight. We've got a lot of news out
[26:21] Speaker 1: of the UK, everything from the World Cup to Nigel
[26:23] Speaker 1: Farage having to have his bi election with nobody else
[26:27] Speaker 1: but a bloke dressed as a bin face. But let's
[26:30] Speaker 1: go to Australia first. Lee Hanson joins us next here
[26:32] Speaker 1: No Sooks, No Lefties on a Sunday, glad you're watching.
[26:43] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching No Sooks, No Lefties
[26:45] Speaker 1: for the rest of the show, just the way that
[26:46] Speaker 1: we like it. Christen Abram is running in the Victorian election.
[26:49] Speaker 1: She's running for the seat of Frankston. She's an independent.
[26:51] Speaker 1: We're going to give a big backing between now and
[26:53] Speaker 1: then because she's awesome. The lovely Lee Hanson is equally wonderful.
[26:56] Speaker 1: She is, of course going to be in the Senate
[26:58] Speaker 1: one day. In the meantime, she's got a lot of
[27:00] Speaker 1: work to do, particularly in Tasmania, including I've got to ask,
[27:03] Speaker 1: by the way, Lee, the registration process, because I noticed
[27:07] Speaker 1: the polling is showing that a quarter, maybe a third
[27:11] Speaker 1: of the vote could be leaning that way should there
[27:13] Speaker 1: be a state election anytime. Minority government explodes. We've talked
[27:17] Speaker 1: before about the absurdity of the process of how to
[27:19] Speaker 1: officially become a political party in Tasmania, where basically anyone
[27:23] Speaker 1: who nominates has to put their name and home address
[27:26] Speaker 1: in the newspaper, but supports clearly surged since then, how
[27:31] Speaker 1: close are you to formally becoming a party that could
[27:34] Speaker 1: contest at the state level in Tasy.
[27:38] Speaker 4: We're nearly there, Paul. I'm really excited. We lodged all
[27:42] Speaker 4: the paperwork a couple of months back with the Tasmani
[27:45] Speaker 4: Electoral Commission, and yes, the absurd process of publishing a
[27:49] Speaker 4: minimum one hundred members names and addresses in the papers
[27:53] Speaker 4: was done across Tasmania. So now we're currently in the
[27:56] Speaker 4: dispute period, so fingers crossed going through those times lines,
[28:00] Speaker 4: we should have an outcome by the end of August
[28:02] Speaker 4: and be officially registered. And in addition to that, I'm
[28:06] Speaker 4: really excited to say that our Tasmanian State Executive has
[28:10] Speaker 4: also commenced and we've got our skates on and we're
[28:13] Speaker 4: getting ready for that registration d day and beyond. So
[28:17] Speaker 4: exciting times ahead and reach some great milestones.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Good stuff. I mean, what an absurd situation that members
[28:23] Speaker 1: of the public have to identify themselves as been members
[28:26] Speaker 1: of a political party. And here's where I am like, no,
[28:29] Speaker 1: none of the anonymity of course at those major parties,
[28:32] Speaker 1: because all of that paperwork was done probably before there
[28:34] Speaker 1: was a newspaper. But anyway, strength to your arm. So Kristen,
[28:38] Speaker 1: I want to start with you. Jason clear I think
[28:41] Speaker 1: not being very subtle about what he was saying today
[28:44] Speaker 1: that anyone to the right of him is vanilla, which
[28:46] Speaker 1: I read as just code for boring and white. Here
[28:50] Speaker 1: he is.
[28:51] Speaker 2: The fact that the Liberal Party, with all of that
[28:54] Speaker 2: record that they should be proud of, can't even say
[28:57] Speaker 2: the word multiculturalism sort of reeks of desperation. We've got
[29:01] Speaker 2: three right wing parties at the moment, the Libs, the
[29:04] Speaker 2: Nats and One Nation. They're like the Neapolitan ice cream
[29:08] Speaker 2: of Australian politics. The problem is they all want to
[29:11] Speaker 2: be vanilla.
[29:14] Speaker 1: Should have mcgevin does it again, Kristen.
[29:20] Speaker 7: Look, the multiculturalism monoculturalism thing that they're all talking about
[29:26] Speaker 7: is like potato, potato they're arguing over. They're arguing over
[29:32] Speaker 7: a word that most people have known their whole life
[29:35] Speaker 7: as multiculturalism, and now because monoculture is something that people
[29:40] Speaker 7: haven't really heard of before, the major parties are going
[29:42] Speaker 7: out there and defining it in the media and much
[29:45] Speaker 7: too clearly based on the polling data, much to one
[29:48] Speaker 7: Nation's detriment at the moment. But this is why people
[29:51] Speaker 7: are so angry at the establishment. They're so angry at
[29:54] Speaker 7: the major political parties because they continue to insult people
[29:58] Speaker 7: to their face. There is what forty seven percent in
[30:02] Speaker 7: total of people that are on the right wing, as
[30:05] Speaker 7: they like to call it. Well, you've just slapped all
[30:07] Speaker 7: of them in the face. And that's why you know,
[30:11] Speaker 7: people have to make a change at the ballot box
[30:13] Speaker 7: because these party politicians they're just so out of touch.
[30:16] Speaker 1: Paul Well, like an up that number forty nine again
[30:19] Speaker 1: based off the current opinion poll that's just dropped out
[30:22] Speaker 1: tonight with the Resolve One Nation at twenty six coalition
[30:25] Speaker 1: of twenty three. Again, my Matt's ain't great, but it
[30:28] Speaker 1: is almost fifty here. But Lee, I mentioned it before,
[30:32] Speaker 1: and I try to simplify things because people are busy, right,
[30:35] Speaker 1: but it really is all about pointing out anyone who's
[30:38] Speaker 1: not them and saying weird, weird, weird. We saw it
[30:41] Speaker 1: with the Democrats and Trump and it all sort of collapsed.
[30:44] Speaker 1: But this sort of this gas lighting at political messaging level,
[30:50] Speaker 1: I can't pretend it doesn't work because they're in charge
[30:53] Speaker 1: and according to some Poles, in fact, every pole preferences
[30:57] Speaker 1: would keep them there. So how do you combat this?
[31:00] Speaker 1: How do you push back against something as innocent as vanilla?
[31:04] Speaker 1: But the code not all that subtle.
[31:08] Speaker 4: Look, we're under no illusions. That was very disturbing and
[31:12] Speaker 4: quite below the belt insinuation that one nation is pro
[31:19] Speaker 4: white Australia, which is completely nonsense. And then he started
[31:23] Speaker 4: to realize he got backed into a corner and tried
[31:26] Speaker 4: to then flip it that the white or vanilla was
[31:29] Speaker 4: in regards to policy. But on one hand he's saying
[31:32] Speaker 4: far right wing, but then vanilla policies, which is a
[31:36] Speaker 4: complete contradiction in itself. And then I think from memory
[31:40] Speaker 4: it started to then the conversation when it's about fruit
[31:42] Speaker 4: salad so reminded me like a kindergarten share. We're talking
[31:45] Speaker 4: about ice cream fruit salad. I don't actually know what
[31:50] Speaker 4: he was talking about, but it gets back to your point,
[31:53] Speaker 4: how do we overcome this? And we've seen the propaganda
[31:56] Speaker 4: machine right, the twisting of what monoculture means, or even
[32:01] Speaker 4: the parental leave entitlements that apparently one nation wants to
[32:05] Speaker 4: scrape parental leave, which is complete nonsense. So the propaganda
[32:09] Speaker 4: machine is in overdrive. All we can do is keep
[32:12] Speaker 4: being genuine, keep being authentic, keep speaking up, and hope
[32:16] Speaker 4: that people come to us for the source of information
[32:19] Speaker 4: and actually listen because the dirty tactics, to me, it
[32:23] Speaker 4: demonstrates poor leadership. You know, every corporate business I've ever
[32:26] Speaker 4: worked in, if you've got a poor leader, all they
[32:28] Speaker 4: do is deflect and blame upon everybody else instead of
[32:31] Speaker 4: having self reflection looking at the real issues that they're
[32:34] Speaker 4: not addressing, and we're just seeing more of that. Sadly.
[32:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said before, you know the detail in
[32:39] Speaker 1: the poll that I read after they published it, but
[32:43] Speaker 1: their TV station, that being the nine network, chose not
[32:46] Speaker 1: to mention here was it The majority of the country
[32:48] Speaker 1: think the prime minister is doing a bad or very
[32:51] Speaker 1: bad job. Kristen, No, no, but Pauline Hanson's no longer
[32:54] Speaker 1: the preferred prime minister. Again, it's not a lower House candidate,
[32:57] Speaker 1: but that's the headline, not Olbow still disliked by the
[33:01] Speaker 1: majority of country.
[33:05] Speaker 7: Again, this comes down to the establishment, doesn't it. The
[33:07] Speaker 7: major you know TV stations, the major political parties, they
[33:12] Speaker 7: all have their talking points on it. Pauline Hansen wasn't
[33:16] Speaker 7: even a part of the conversation to be Prime minister
[33:20] Speaker 7: twelve months ago. So yes, they've slid back.
[33:23] Speaker 1: In the polls.
[33:24] Speaker 7: But what has you know, from a major party perspective,
[33:26] Speaker 7: what has gone so catastrophically wrong that there is now
[33:30] Speaker 7: a third player in the game and the media has
[33:33] Speaker 7: a lot to answer to. And you know, paul your
[33:36] Speaker 7: great and Sky News obviously gives a different perspective, but
[33:39] Speaker 7: you know nine News, they keep referring to people Pauline
[33:43] Speaker 7: Hanson's One Nation as populist party. The articles refer as
[33:48] Speaker 7: populist party. Where are they getting these talking points from?
[33:51] Speaker 1: Well, it's actually you've pointed to where I'm going to
[33:54] Speaker 1: go later in the week, where I'm going to show
[33:56] Speaker 1: people this because I noticed it particularly watching nine Last
[34:00] Speaker 1: over the past week and I kept seeing this prefix
[34:03] Speaker 1: of populist, populist, populist or right wing right wing right
[34:06] Speaker 1: wing got dropped on top of a description of One
[34:09] Speaker 1: Nation as a political party. Now is it right of center, yes,
[34:12] Speaker 1: but it's not like the house style is to say, well, okay,
[34:16] Speaker 1: the Greens are the left wing or far left wing
[34:20] Speaker 1: party or left wing populist, but they don't do that.
[34:23] Speaker 1: The term is only used in and around one nationally.
[34:27] Speaker 1: And the truth is, for some people it's going to
[34:29] Speaker 1: scare them off. But I think for the majority of
[34:30] Speaker 1: people that are certainly I would suggest everyone who's already
[34:34] Speaker 1: on board, it sort of becomes a factor not to
[34:38] Speaker 1: make people scared about being associated, but actually glues them
[34:41] Speaker 1: on even tighter to go Why does this freak you
[34:44] Speaker 1: out so much? Why can't it just be a contest
[34:47] Speaker 1: of multiplicity of parties? Fine, fair enough for the Australian people,
[34:51] Speaker 1: of course, have the power to get behind the Victorian
[34:53] Speaker 1: Socialists if they want. But guess what they're not. They're
[34:56] Speaker 1: getting behind one nation.
[35:00] Speaker 4: It's just name calling, isn't it runs we're school yard
[35:03] Speaker 4: antics again once again, name calling far right populous, you know,
[35:07] Speaker 4: and it does cement our supporters on even more because
[35:10] Speaker 4: the feedback wee gn is do you mean we're right
[35:13] Speaker 4: so far? Or we're right?
[35:15] Speaker 1: What's the problem with that?
[35:16] Speaker 3: You know?
[35:17] Speaker 4: And it does get back to you know, conservative politics.
[35:21] Speaker 4: Let's have a debate, Let's have the conversations. Why is
[35:24] Speaker 4: this all name tagging and branding that continually happens because
[35:28] Speaker 4: poor leadership and the media do play a huge role
[35:31] Speaker 4: in this. You know, it's very hard to get unbiased media,
[35:34] Speaker 4: that's the reality. And they need to take some ownership,
[35:38] Speaker 4: a strong ownership and accountability in the narrative that they
[35:41] Speaker 4: spin and the impression that they're making within the public.
[35:45] Speaker 4: So we'll just keep staying true to ourselves. Ball we're
[35:49] Speaker 4: used to it. It's nothing's changed in thirty years for
[35:52] Speaker 4: Senator Hanson and it won't change tomorrow.
[35:55] Speaker 8: Sadly, we'll just.
[35:55] Speaker 3: Keep on trooping.
[35:56] Speaker 1: The final of the Big Bash, the first round of
[35:59] Speaker 1: the first game that I think going to be played
[36:00] Speaker 1: in India awesome, exposed to even more people. But the
[36:03] Speaker 1: final is going to be held on January twenty six. Now,
[36:06] Speaker 1: of course, this is a difficult day for some in
[36:09] Speaker 1: cricket Australia who've literally not played games on a very
[36:13] Speaker 1: controversial day. But they've rediscovered it. But don't expect it
[36:16] Speaker 1: to be referred to as Australia Day. Don't expect the
[36:18] Speaker 1: Australian flag to be out it's just now finally it's
[36:21] Speaker 1: not Invasion Day, it's not Australia Day, It's Big Bash
[36:24] Speaker 1: Final Day. Kristen, I'm glad.
[36:29] Speaker 7: That it's going back to Australia Day, that they're putting
[36:31] Speaker 7: the back a big Bash on Australia Day. I'm outraged
[36:35] Speaker 7: and profoundly disappointed that they're considering not seeing our national
[36:38] Speaker 7: anthem on that day though. And I've been talking to
[36:42] Speaker 7: my friends and I asked them, when do you think
[36:45] Speaker 7: Australia Day changed for us? Because when I was in
[36:47] Speaker 7: high school it was the biggest day of the year,
[36:50] Speaker 7: and it was in twenty eighteen when Triple J funded
[36:53] Speaker 7: by the ABC removed the Hottest one hundred. Australia Day
[36:57] Speaker 7: is about coming together as a community. It's about watching
[37:01] Speaker 7: the sports, watching, you know, listening to the Hottest one
[37:04] Speaker 7: hundred all together. And we've slowly eroded our sense of
[37:07] Speaker 7: community on Australia Day and that is why it has changed.
[37:11] Speaker 7: So Cricket Australia, they're halfway there now. We just got
[37:14] Speaker 7: to get them over the line and sing the national
[37:16] Speaker 7: anthem with pride and loud here here.
[37:20] Speaker 1: I also think one of the things was when they
[37:21] Speaker 1: started to put pressure on the main corporate sponsors and
[37:25] Speaker 1: advertisers in and around it. Again, the idea that a
[37:27] Speaker 1: national day, regardless of what date it actually is, is
[37:30] Speaker 1: controversial madness, especially after we've seen what the great unifier
[37:35] Speaker 1: of left, right and center July four was in the US. Alright,
[37:39] Speaker 1: bold predictions for the weak ahead. These are all legally binding.
[37:41] Speaker 1: It's just a little loophole we found somewhere in the constitution,
[37:44] Speaker 1: Lee Hanson. What's definitely happening this week?
[37:48] Speaker 4: Oh, such a bold prediction. We'll keep seeing more propaganda
[37:53] Speaker 4: misinformation from the major political parties against one nation and
[37:59] Speaker 4: deflection from addressing the real issues happening in Australia, housing, immigration,
[38:04] Speaker 4: cost of living and exorbitant energy prices and bills Halla Lojah.
[38:09] Speaker 1: By the way, well Under, everyone on the team that's
[38:11] Speaker 1: involved in this week's cartoon, the one about Paul Hogan,
[38:15] Speaker 1: Well World under the step Mates, World under Ashby World,
[38:18] Speaker 1: and everyone who was involved in and it's really good.
[38:20] Speaker 1: I'll make sure I posted up on our socials. One
[38:21] Speaker 1: we're done, just go searching for Paul Murray light, particularly
[38:24] Speaker 1: on Facebook.
[38:24] Speaker 7: Kristen, another day in Victoria, another corruption scandal. I bet
[38:31] Speaker 7: you there will be more that will come out about
[38:33] Speaker 7: Jasin to Allen and her labor government, and I bet
[38:36] Speaker 7: you the media won't go as hard as they should
[38:38] Speaker 7: be against her.
[38:39] Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct, They'll go harder around vanilla ice cream than
[38:43] Speaker 1: they will about the obvious problems that exist there. I agree,
[38:47] Speaker 1: there's a bit ahead in that story this week. Thank
[38:48] Speaker 1: you guys, do appreciate it. We'll see you again next Sunday.
[38:51] Speaker 1: All right, quick break, nose looks and no left his continues.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Mark Doland joins us from the United Kingdom. There's a
[38:55] Speaker 1: very difficult story which involves a person that I know
[38:58] Speaker 1: that he knew pretty well, that being the former Reform spokesperson,
[39:03] Speaker 1: former Conservative MP that's been murdered. But on top of that,
[39:06] Speaker 1: and on the book ends of that, of course, there's
[39:08] Speaker 1: the World Cup and Harry met with his dad over
[39:10] Speaker 1: the weekend.
[39:17] Speaker 3: The only way to wake up with a Stefanovic major
[39:21] Speaker 3: breaking news is to watch Sky News Astroia Hot damn.
[39:25] Speaker 1: That's some good stuff. It's about Team Australia. Full focus
[39:30] Speaker 1: on the World Cup.
[39:31] Speaker 7: Is the five Minister Anthony Albanezy and is that.
[39:33] Speaker 1: A concession that you like? Well, we've changed our position
[39:37] Speaker 1: Why wasn't this taken to an election? That question is
[39:39] Speaker 1: going to follow. Thanks very much for watching. Mark Dolan
[39:44] Speaker 1: as a host on Talk TV, joins us now from
[39:47] Speaker 1: the UK, where no doubt they're still buzzing after making
[39:49] Speaker 1: it into the World Cup semi finals. Fingers crossed. You
[39:52] Speaker 1: can get their pal. What's it like when your national
[39:55] Speaker 1: team isn't just playing but winning? Well?
[39:59] Speaker 8: The country needs it because we're in the middle of
[40:01] Speaker 8: a political crisis. We're about to have a new prime
[40:03] Speaker 8: minister that no one elected. So some good news on
[40:07] Speaker 8: the sporting front I think would be the lift that
[40:09] Speaker 8: we need. And it's quite funny, Paul, because in the
[40:12] Speaker 8: most recent game, the football was horrible, but the result
[40:15] Speaker 8: was great.
[40:16] Speaker 1: Now I get this feeling or we have this imagining
[40:20] Speaker 1: here that you know, if you just opened your window
[40:23] Speaker 1: wherever you are in the country, you will hear everyone
[40:25] Speaker 1: else cheering. Is Is it actually like that or is
[40:28] Speaker 1: it this is sort of you know, I look, there's
[40:30] Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people who going to the pub,
[40:32] Speaker 1: but can you feel it in the small village? Can
[40:35] Speaker 1: you feel it everywhere that that when they get close
[40:39] Speaker 1: you hear a ooh? And when they don't you hear
[40:41] Speaker 1: an ah across the country.
[40:43] Speaker 8: One hundred percent, every inch of this septedisle is consumed
[40:49] Speaker 8: with World Cup fever. I mean it's a good achievement.
[40:51] Speaker 8: We're through to the semi finals and we're going through
[40:54] Speaker 8: a mini heat wave which would be a mild summer
[40:57] Speaker 8: for you, Paul, that we're sweating, and so it means
[40:59] Speaker 8: all the windows are open, all the doors are open,
[41:01] Speaker 8: and you can hear the chairs, the oohs and the
[41:03] Speaker 8: ours and it's a fantastic thing. And you know, you
[41:07] Speaker 8: see it in Australia as well. Sport is the best
[41:09] Speaker 8: thing to bring people together.
[41:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct. Look, of course we're subdued in this conversation
[41:13] Speaker 1: because Anne Whittickam is a person who I know you've
[41:16] Speaker 1: spoken to plenty of times on TV. She was an
[41:20] Speaker 1: absolute fighter for her worldview. She was a fuller conservative MP,
[41:24] Speaker 1: became a reform spokes a person. A person is now
[41:28] Speaker 1: talking to police about whether they are responsible or not
[41:33] Speaker 1: here But Nigel Farage, of course, speaking upon her murder,
[41:37] Speaker 1: this was a person who lived by herself at the
[41:41] Speaker 1: end of a pretty quiet street in a pretty quiet
[41:43] Speaker 1: part of the country, right, and for her to be
[41:46] Speaker 1: taken under any circumstances are horrific, but we don't know
[41:49] Speaker 1: the ones that took her. He's Nigel Farage talking about her.
[41:53] Speaker 5: No words like an utter at somebody who's committed this
[41:56] Speaker 5: act of barbarosic against an innocent seventy eight or old
[42:00] Speaker 5: lady who wouldn't harm a fly. I just hope that
[42:05] Speaker 5: the killer is caught as quickly as possible and brought
[42:08] Speaker 5: to justice.
[42:08] Speaker 1: That's all I can say. Now. The hard cores that
[42:11] Speaker 1: are watching, they know who she is. Certainly news has
[42:15] Speaker 1: informed an awful lot more people, but I just wanted
[42:18] Speaker 1: to ask as a person who I've seen interview her.
[42:22] Speaker 1: She seemed to just light up the joint with how
[42:25] Speaker 1: fired up she could be and her cares Who that
[42:27] Speaker 1: offended right most?
[42:29] Speaker 8: Definitely Paul. She was a natural conservative. She was ideologically consistent.
[42:35] Speaker 8: The reason she left the Tories and joined Nigel Nigel
[42:39] Speaker 8: Farajian Reform is because it's a truly right wing party.
[42:43] Speaker 8: You know, the Tory Party left her, she didn't leave it,
[42:46] Speaker 8: so she was very principled. She was seventy eight and
[42:49] Speaker 8: although she'd retired from frontline politics, she was incredibly active.
[42:53] Speaker 8: And I've got to tell you Paul that it appears
[42:56] Speaker 8: that her last broadcast interview was given to me on Wednesday,
[43:00] Speaker 8: because I was hosting the Talk TV breakfast show, and
[43:04] Speaker 8: it appears that later that day her life was taken
[43:07] Speaker 8: and we had another frank exchange. She went into bat
[43:10] Speaker 8: for Nigel Farage and his decision to provoke a by election.
[43:14] Speaker 8: She was absolutely formidable as always and good humored and
[43:18] Speaker 8: little did I know, Paul, that that would be the
[43:20] Speaker 8: last time we'd speak again.
[43:23] Speaker 1: Look, I'm sorry that again the people that have known her,
[43:27] Speaker 1: that mates, acquaintances, are going through what they are so
[43:31] Speaker 1: strength and love from all of us to you, mate,
[43:32] Speaker 1: and those that of course have kept a prominence going
[43:36] Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. Also, I want to talk about
[43:39] Speaker 1: some of the policing here and one of the things
[43:41] Speaker 1: that is driving reform is this concept of two to
[43:44] Speaker 1: your policing. And it was very quick when they thought
[43:47] Speaker 1: that they had a suspect and they thought the suspect
[43:49] Speaker 1: was white and a British national. Straight away that was
[43:52] Speaker 1: the description. When a second arrest had taken place, it
[43:55] Speaker 1: was a white British national. Now this is not always
[44:00] Speaker 1: describe a person that they are looking for. If it
[44:03] Speaker 1: deviates from that description. Did that stand out to you
[44:05] Speaker 1: that they were maybe trying to send some sort of
[44:08] Speaker 1: a message straight away that they wouldn't otherwise send when
[44:12] Speaker 1: it comes to crime.
[44:14] Speaker 8: Most definitely, because the authorities have concealed the ethnicity of
[44:19] Speaker 8: criminals in the past, taking us for mugs, treating the
[44:22] Speaker 8: public like fools or like children, most notably a guy
[44:26] Speaker 8: that killed three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance
[44:29] Speaker 8: class in Southport, and we were kept in the dark
[44:32] Speaker 8: about who this person was, what their background was for
[44:35] Speaker 8: a long long time, which led to speculation and public anger.
[44:39] Speaker 8: So it's funny that suddenly they're upfront about things. All
[44:42] Speaker 8: we want is consistency, and as you said, at the moment,
[44:45] Speaker 8: what we appear to have is two tier policing and
[44:47] Speaker 8: two tier justice.
[44:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. So of course that's all a big part of
[44:50] Speaker 1: the Nonja Farage political play. And we know because of
[44:53] Speaker 1: what we've discussed last week that there's going to be
[44:56] Speaker 1: this by election. Essentially no one's going to stand against
[44:58] Speaker 1: him in terms of labour conserving or the lib dims. Right.
[45:02] Speaker 1: So the bloke who always stands in every election all
[45:05] Speaker 1: the time, Count Boonfos had so hilarious I've got on
[45:08] Speaker 1: board of it. Well, I know.
[45:10] Speaker 8: I mean, he's basically a lefty in fancy dress and
[45:13] Speaker 8: he's going to be this count bin Face is a
[45:15] Speaker 8: comic character, but he's a left leaning comedian. He's worked
[45:19] Speaker 8: for the BBC. He's basically going to kind of be
[45:22] Speaker 8: the unity candidate for the Greens, Labor and all the
[45:26] Speaker 8: rest of it. I think it's a courageous move by Farage.
[45:29] Speaker 8: I will say that you called it, Paul, because we
[45:32] Speaker 8: were on air together on Tuesday and you put it
[45:35] Speaker 8: to me when I was live in central London joining
[45:38] Speaker 8: you on air that actually, what if the other parties
[45:40] Speaker 8: don't play ball? That's exactly what's happened, which is awkward
[45:44] Speaker 8: for Nigel Farage. Now, I felt that this was a
[45:46] Speaker 8: mistake because he appears to be exposed because it's just
[45:49] Speaker 8: him and this fancy dress comic character. But I just
[45:53] Speaker 8: had a conversation with Liz Truss earlier today, former Prime
[45:55] Speaker 8: Minister of the UK, and she said it's perfect. It
[45:58] Speaker 8: fits with Nigel's and as the disruptor.
[46:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I mean obviously there's going to be
[46:04] Speaker 1: someone somewhere who's going to come up with a wonderful
[46:06] Speaker 1: idea of when Nige for us is being interviewed, Oh
[46:09] Speaker 1: who's campinface? Let's have the debate about Clacton, right, Okay, fine,
[46:13] Speaker 1: And there's going to be these little moments of him
[46:15] Speaker 1: trying to find him on the trail and all of Twitter.
[46:18] Speaker 1: But it's one thing for everyone to be pointing and giggling.
[46:21] Speaker 1: It's another thing to actually get off their backside and
[46:23] Speaker 1: go and vote. And even when people, of course in
[46:25] Speaker 1: Manchester or that by election not into Manchester, be get
[46:29] Speaker 1: my point. Yeah, bugger raw, people actually got off their
[46:33] Speaker 1: backside to go and vote. And that was about the
[46:34] Speaker 1: blow that had become the Prime Minister. So I don't
[46:36] Speaker 1: know how committed to the bit they may end up being,
[46:39] Speaker 1: but we'll all find out together, all right quickly. Last
[46:41] Speaker 1: one here, So Megan is with Harry and they have
[46:44] Speaker 1: both met King Charles in England.
[46:46] Speaker 8: This one, yes, I mean, I'm honestly this has not
[46:50] Speaker 8: lifted my mood at all. The Sussexes have won Meghan
[46:53] Speaker 8: Mark or Paul Murray back on royal property and it's
[46:57] Speaker 8: my understanding that William's furious about why because it's a
[47:01] Speaker 8: reward for the treachery the disloyalty and the cruelty of
[47:05] Speaker 8: Harry and Meghan. Of course the reason why Charles wants
[47:08] Speaker 8: to see his grandchildren. I understand that, but I think
[47:11] Speaker 8: that Harry and Meghan had no right to be on
[47:14] Speaker 8: a royal property, but they got their way as usual.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Well again, there was a scenario where wasn't he in
[47:19] Speaker 1: America recently when it came to that state visit and
[47:21] Speaker 1: all the rest of it. Well he should have said, look,
[47:23] Speaker 1: let's hang out. I'll meet you in this DC hotel.
[47:25] Speaker 1: I'll meet you in this place on the other side
[47:27] Speaker 1: of it. But no rayal property, all the rest of
[47:29] Speaker 1: it right anyway, we'll all find out together. Thank you
[47:32] Speaker 1: very much mate. Also, lovely to talk to you again.
[47:34] Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's been the weekend that it has been,
[47:35] Speaker 1: but Mark Doland is in the United Kingdom. Quid break
[47:38] Speaker 1: back with more here on Pulmriray Live News is at
[47:41] Speaker 1: the top of the hour and all of your highlights
[47:42] Speaker 1: at sky news dot com.
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