# Paul Murray Live | 29 January

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 29 Jan 2026, 49 min.

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Another inflation jump puts interest rate hike firmly on the table, the prime minister commits to taking the Darwin Port back. Plus, dissecting voter attitudes on racism. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the Sky newsenter. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Well, of course James as it is on Thursday, will
[0:09] Speaker 2: be on Sunday him hosting for Sharry Sharry back of
[0:12] Speaker 2: course on Monday. That excellent doco coming up in a
[0:14] Speaker 2: couple of weeks time. But James eight o'clock Sunday or
[0:18] Speaker 2: Murray Live nine o'clock Sunday. So make sure you start
[0:20] Speaker 2: your week right on Sunday night, first bite of the
[0:24] Speaker 2: apple of all of the opinion that will no doubt.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Flow across the week. Hey, remember when Anthony Ebenezi and
[0:31] Speaker 1: the Labor Party.
[0:32] Speaker 2: They made just a Tinsey wincy little small promise, a
[0:36] Speaker 2: small promise that no one ever thought. Oh that's right,
[0:39] Speaker 2: a labor government will lower the cost of living. How's
[0:43] Speaker 2: that going?
[0:46] Speaker 3: The last thing Borrow was wanted to hear in today's
[0:48] Speaker 3: inflation figures could spell trouble for millions.
[0:52] Speaker 1: But hang on, didn't we turn the corner? Oh that's right.
[0:56] Speaker 2: They just wanted us to feel that we had turned
[0:59] Speaker 2: the corner before.
[1:00] Speaker 1: The last election.
[1:02] Speaker 4: Australia is turning the corner.
[1:04] Speaker 5: Australian economy has turned a corner. Australian economy's turned a
[1:07] Speaker 5: corner and Australian economy is turning a corner. We are
[1:10] Speaker 5: genuinely turning a corner in our economy. Our economy has
[1:14] Speaker 5: turned a corner.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Well, it turns out as we turn a corner, we
[1:17] Speaker 2: are in a cul de sac of basically where we
[1:21] Speaker 2: have now been for the past couple of years. Inflation,
[1:24] Speaker 2: as you know, up and up, up, up three point
[1:27] Speaker 2: eight percent. I talk about this because I almost talked
[1:29] Speaker 2: about it every show for the past two years. Three
[1:33] Speaker 2: point eight percent is noware near two to three percent,
[1:35] Speaker 2: which is what the Reserve Bank wants, which of course
[1:38] Speaker 2: means that we are pushing our way towards yet another
[1:41] Speaker 2: interest rate rise. This is bigger than almost all the
[1:44] Speaker 2: politics that gets talked about, all the culture issues.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Why because it.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Affects millions of people. The third of the country is renting.
[1:52] Speaker 2: The other two thirds are either people who've owned their
[1:55] Speaker 2: own home or those that are paying off a mortgage.
[1:59] Speaker 2: Now the people who own their own home may also
[2:01] Speaker 2: of course have investment properties, and all of this sinks
[2:04] Speaker 2: through now. The only people who of course yay self
[2:07] Speaker 2: funded retirees because if the interest rate goes up, it's good,
[2:10] Speaker 2: I understand, But for millions of other people. It is
[2:14] Speaker 2: yet another bit of financial pain. But let's be honest,
[2:18] Speaker 2: this has not had the political result that it should have.
[2:21] Speaker 2: For some reason, every single thing that went wrong in Australia,
[2:26] Speaker 2: from whether your doorbill worked or not, or whether you
[2:31] Speaker 2: had enough money in the bank compared to what you
[2:33] Speaker 2: thought you'd have, we somehow the Liberal government's fault. But
[2:37] Speaker 2: now for three years, an election and a little bit
[2:39] Speaker 2: further nothing to see here. We're not really responsible for anything.
[2:43] Speaker 2: But the truth is that Australia does have a problem,
[2:47] Speaker 2: whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the voters
[2:51] Speaker 2: who don't really seem to care about it, the politicians
[2:53] Speaker 2: who definitely don't want to point it out, is that
[2:57] Speaker 2: Australia as a government spends more money than it takes
[3:02] Speaker 2: in and it is now getting to the point where
[3:05] Speaker 2: it's going to be a problem for a very very
[3:07] Speaker 2: long time to come. No surprise, but this is the
[3:09] Speaker 2: talking point of the day, at least for the opposition,
[3:12] Speaker 2: and of course because of their nonsense. It is down
[3:14] Speaker 2: to a Liberal senator I believe in South Australia to
[3:17] Speaker 2: be making the most obvious points that you'd be being
[3:19] Speaker 2: screened from everyone on the other side of politics. But
[3:22] Speaker 2: of course they're screaming at each other.
[3:25] Speaker 6: It is very difficult for us to have our economy
[3:28] Speaker 6: prosper when that debt just keeps being wrapped up under
[3:33] Speaker 6: irresponsible spending by labor.
[3:36] Speaker 1: Now here's the deal, budget deficits.
[3:40] Speaker 2: Oh, what a boring topic to talk about in the
[3:42] Speaker 2: dying days of January, the early days of people returning.
[3:46] Speaker 1: Here we go again.
[3:47] Speaker 2: The only problem is Australia is not set to make
[3:51] Speaker 2: a budget surplus for the next forty years. And it's
[3:54] Speaker 2: not a right wing think tank, and it's not me
[3:56] Speaker 2: pulling the numbers out of my ample behind.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Instead it is Treasury.
[3:59] Speaker 2: It's this Treasurer twenty twenty three released the Intergenerational Report.
[4:04] Speaker 2: You've seen this graph almost as frequently as you've seen
[4:07] Speaker 2: my face on Telly, because I think it is the
[4:08] Speaker 2: single most frightening piece of data that exists about the
[4:12] Speaker 2: future of our country. Because this is despite the fact
[4:16] Speaker 2: that they plan immigration to go through the roof, despite
[4:19] Speaker 2: the fact that they expect us to go from thirty
[4:21] Speaker 2: to forty million people over this period of time. Yet
[4:24] Speaker 2: still because the government is going to be spending more
[4:28] Speaker 2: money than the more money they will keep taking in
[4:30] Speaker 2: each and every year. Well, this of course becomes a problem.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Why because every single one of those little blue bars
[4:37] Speaker 2: that represents a budget deficit, it gets added to last years,
[4:41] Speaker 2: to the year before, to the year before that, and
[4:43] Speaker 2: all of the ones that of course have the deviled
[4:46] Speaker 2: us since Karen rud Waine Swann and the rest of
[4:49] Speaker 2: them have been around the budget for a long time.
[4:53] Speaker 2: While everyone was understandably concerned with the events in Bondo,
[4:57] Speaker 2: the mid year Economic Financial Outlook came out. This in part,
[5:01] Speaker 2: is the update on the budget. It is almost as important,
[5:04] Speaker 2: if not potentially more important than the budget because it's
[5:06] Speaker 2: actually about real numbers rather than the political stuff that
[5:10] Speaker 2: gets put out and they all go and lock themselves away,
[5:13] Speaker 2: for it shows the deficits for the next not one,
[5:17] Speaker 2: not two, but ten years, the first of that forty
[5:22] Speaker 2: year run. And once you put that blue bar next
[5:24] Speaker 2: to this blue bar next to that blue bar, as
[5:26] Speaker 2: you can see, it's almost a quarter of a trillion
[5:30] Speaker 2: dollars on top of what is already almost a trillion
[5:36] Speaker 2: dollars in debt. Now I have to explain here, people
[5:43] Speaker 2: like gim charmers don't really think this matters because their
[5:47] Speaker 2: theory is that Australia will never have the debt called in.
[5:50] Speaker 2: This is why countries like America have got like thirty
[5:53] Speaker 2: trillion dollars in debt, but the sky hasn't fallen in.
[5:56] Speaker 2: But of course, the point about all of this debt
[6:00] Speaker 2: is that it goes from being a portion of your
[6:03] Speaker 2: budget to a bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, until it
[6:06] Speaker 2: becomes the number one thing in your budget. Servicing debt
[6:11] Speaker 2: is now in the top five of the amounts of
[6:15] Speaker 2: money that are spent in the Victorian budget. The money
[6:20] Speaker 2: that is therefore spent paying off the credit card while
[6:22] Speaker 2: we rack up next month's credit card bill, and then
[6:25] Speaker 2: we pay that bill with another credit card. Well you
[6:27] Speaker 2: know how this thing ends, and it's not fun. And
[6:30] Speaker 2: maybe the theory is correct that nobody actually ends up
[6:32] Speaker 2: calling it in, but the Reserve Bank will.
[6:36] Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second. But about this
[6:39] Speaker 1: number of a.
[6:40] Speaker 2: Trillion dollars in debt that has been supercharged under this
[6:44] Speaker 2: government for multiple years, that is expected to grow by
[6:47] Speaker 2: another quarter of a trillion dollars, unbelievable. Again, how little
[6:55] Speaker 2: detailed there is about these stories, how little reference there
[6:58] Speaker 2: is to this stuff because it is truly about the
[7:02] Speaker 2: future of our country.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Now.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Unbelievably, Jim Charmers is out and about saying that this
[7:10] Speaker 2: government is being responsible, despite the fact that it is
[7:13] Speaker 2: promising for the next ten years to spend more money
[7:15] Speaker 2: than it gets and predicts exactly the same for the
[7:18] Speaker 2: next forty years. Jim Charmers knows that most people don't
[7:23] Speaker 2: pay attention, and he doesn't care that you and I
[7:26] Speaker 2: pay attention, but attention we do, which is why when.
[7:29] Speaker 1: You make statements like this, please.
[7:35] Speaker 5: There will be savings, as there have been savings in
[7:38] Speaker 5: all of our budgets.
[7:40] Speaker 1: Hang on.
[7:42] Speaker 2: So the argument is, even though we're going to have
[7:45] Speaker 2: a deficit for the next ten years, potentially the next
[7:47] Speaker 2: forty years, the first ten of those will be a
[7:51] Speaker 2: quarter of a trillion dollars on top of the other
[7:53] Speaker 2: trillion dollars. Hey, it could be worse.
[7:56] Speaker 1: This is the logic. But of course what's interesting.
[8:02] Speaker 2: Is at the very heart of all of this, if
[8:04] Speaker 2: they're trying to tell us that there is a recognition
[8:06] Speaker 2: the government spinning can't just go wild and you've kind
[8:08] Speaker 2: of got to trim your sales here or there. Well,
[8:12] Speaker 2: that's exactly the same position that any person who wants
[8:16] Speaker 2: to be responsible about the budget would say, and certainly
[8:20] Speaker 2: the last election was the position of an opposition. But
[8:25] Speaker 2: when they talk about a saving, the very same savings
[8:29] Speaker 2: that this government wants a little gold badge for what's
[8:32] Speaker 2: the term they use that shuts.
[8:35] Speaker 4: Hot cuts cuts cut, cuts, cut cut cut.
[8:40] Speaker 1: I like that last one.
[8:41] Speaker 2: So we are meant to believe that when Toto is
[8:44] Speaker 2: in the room and they're working out the finances, that's savings.
[8:50] Speaker 2: If any liberal anywhere turns around and suggests otherwise, well,
[8:54] Speaker 2: cut cut cutting, cut cut, cut, cut, cut cut cut.
[8:56] Speaker 1: Uga burger oga burger, don't fold lip you you know
[9:00] Speaker 1: the deal.
[9:02] Speaker 2: So, despite the fact that in part he was able
[9:05] Speaker 2: to scare Australian voters that any form of savings would
[9:09] Speaker 2: equal a cut and every cut would result in panic
[9:12] Speaker 2: in the streets, despite the fact that on his watch
[9:15] Speaker 2: there already is three and a bit median households that
[9:18] Speaker 2: will run out of food, but that doesn't matter. Despite
[9:23] Speaker 2: the fact that there are people who struggle to have
[9:27] Speaker 2: fann on in when it's hot and a heater when
[9:29] Speaker 2: it's cold, that doesn't matter because their bet is most
[9:34] Speaker 2: people don't pay attention and how could we possibly lie
[9:37] Speaker 2: to you? Unbelievably, the blokou went that hard against an
[9:43] Speaker 2: opposition and won an election by saying that any form
[9:46] Speaker 2: of saving would be a cut. Guess what he's saying today,
[9:52] Speaker 2: wanting a gold staffer. It could be worse.
[9:57] Speaker 4: We have constantly looked for.
[10:01] Speaker 1: We've done that. Sorry, is that savings or what do
[10:05] Speaker 1: you call them again?
[10:06] Speaker 2: Prime Minister's hat cut cuts, hot cuts.
[10:11] Speaker 1: And hat cuts now, by the way cuts cuts.
[10:17] Speaker 2: The Shadow Treasurer was able to work out this week
[10:19] Speaker 2: by actually having a look inside the document that people
[10:22] Speaker 2: were not looking at a because it's summer. B it's
[10:24] Speaker 2: always put out close to Christmas. C It was covered
[10:27] Speaker 2: by the national tragedy that the majority of polling says
[10:30] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister didn't handle.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Fifty seven billion dollars a budget blowout.
[10:37] Speaker 2: But again, who cares. No one's ever going to call
[10:39] Speaker 2: it in. Well, guess who ends up paying the price?
[10:42] Speaker 2: You the Australian public. Why, Because there's only one person
[10:47] Speaker 2: with something resembling a handbrake, and there's only two options.
[10:52] Speaker 2: You put the rates up or you put the rates down.
[10:56] Speaker 2: And while foreign banks, foreign governments are according to modern
[11:02] Speaker 2: monetary theory, unlikely to be sending a letter of demand
[11:08] Speaker 2: or wanting to take back Parliament House or force you
[11:12] Speaker 2: to take a second mortgage out on Kirabilly house in
[11:15] Speaker 2: the real world. For the thirty percent of people that
[11:17] Speaker 2: are trying to pay off a mortgage a bank well
[11:20] Speaker 2: and truly will if you fail to be able to
[11:24] Speaker 2: meet the payments, and those payments look like they are
[11:27] Speaker 2: about to increase. But of course this Prime minister who
[11:33] Speaker 2: today says we're always looking for savings was also the
[11:38] Speaker 2: guy who did this in order to bribe an electorate
[11:43] Speaker 2: to distract them from his own failures, and of course
[11:46] Speaker 2: it worked. But this was him spending this time last year.
[11:53] Speaker 4: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million
[11:57] Speaker 4: dollars ten million dollar, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,
[12:01] Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty
[12:04] Speaker 4: seven million dollars eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
[12:07] Speaker 4: two point four billion dollars eight point five billion dollar,
[12:11] Speaker 4: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars three point
[12:15] Speaker 4: four billion dollar, two point eight billion dollars two one
[12:18] Speaker 4: hundred million dollar, one hundred and fifty million dollars.
[12:22] Speaker 1: And this is him today.
[12:24] Speaker 4: We have constantly looked for savings.
[12:28] Speaker 1: We've done that.
[12:31] Speaker 2: Now, wonder I call him eh Way albow unbelievable. In
[12:37] Speaker 2: order to win elections, they buy as many people off
[12:40] Speaker 2: as possible. That over the stimulates the economy, which means
[12:43] Speaker 2: inflation starts.
[12:44] Speaker 1: To go up.
[12:46] Speaker 2: The people who pay are the very same people who
[12:48] Speaker 2: somehow fell for the politics in the first place. Yeah,
[12:52] Speaker 2: they end up with yet another kick in the backside.
[12:54] Speaker 2: Great system, isn't it. Speaking of lies, this Prime Minister
[12:59] Speaker 2: teor I might supposed to be more polite broken promises.
[13:04] Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, of course, promised that Australia would take
[13:08] Speaker 2: back the vitally important piece of infrastructure, the Port of Darwin,
[13:12] Speaker 2: which has been in Chinese hands for many years, and
[13:15] Speaker 2: for some reason it's constantly used by politicians to somehow
[13:19] Speaker 2: win the seat of Solomon. Something that is the Labor
[13:21] Speaker 2: Party's done multiple times by making the same promise.
[13:26] Speaker 4: And we are committed to making sure that that port
[13:30] Speaker 4: goes back into Australian hands because that is in a
[13:34] Speaker 4: national interest.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Even though his very own department while he was Prime Minister,
[13:40] Speaker 2: was asked to review this very issue and concluded in
[13:44] Speaker 2: October on a Friday. Of course, hopefully no one's watching,
[13:47] Speaker 2: are they paying attention to anything?
[13:49] Speaker 1: But this said and I quote, it was not necessary
[13:52] Speaker 1: to vary or cancel the lease.
[13:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, the Prime Minister keeps talking about the port of Darwin,
[13:58] Speaker 2: he keeps going, he keeps making the promise. But unsurprisingly,
[14:02] Speaker 2: because there seemingly is no case according to his own department,
[14:07] Speaker 2: not hangovers of the Libs. This was his own department
[14:10] Speaker 2: in October twenty twenty three, not necessarily to vary or
[14:13] Speaker 2: cancel the lease. Well, nothing's happened, so unsurprisingly there was
[14:17] Speaker 2: a bit of back and forth while he was refueling
[14:20] Speaker 2: the jet in Darwin and pretending to care about the
[14:22] Speaker 2: Northern Territory.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Or dar on coming back to Austraine.
[14:27] Speaker 4: That's a decision that was not in the interests of
[14:31] Speaker 4: our national interest. And this is a decision that had
[14:34] Speaker 4: an incentive from the Comworth government actually paid the NT
[14:40] Speaker 4: government and incentive to flog off the port of Darwin.
[14:44] Speaker 2: Not the answer, Matt Cunningham, as you can see, asks
[14:50] Speaker 2: the question and it's just a simple one, right, Hey,
[14:52] Speaker 2: about that thing you've promised at two different elections that
[14:55] Speaker 2: your own department said after the last election, you don't
[14:58] Speaker 2: need to do but you promised to it anyway, and
[15:01] Speaker 2: it seemed to work because Luke Goslin continues to swagger
[15:04] Speaker 2: around and doesn't have a swagger as the member for Solomon. Oh,
[15:10] Speaker 2: nothing to see here, nothing to discuss. But the biggest
[15:13] Speaker 2: story about all of this is our old mate, the
[15:16] Speaker 2: Chinese ambassador, the one who, of course was part of
[15:19] Speaker 2: the process of cutting Australia off because we dared wanted
[15:22] Speaker 2: answers about a global pandemic that has killed thousands of
[15:26] Speaker 2: Australians since twenty twenty, shut down our country for the
[15:31] Speaker 2: best part of two years. Ment people didn't get to
[15:34] Speaker 2: hold the hand of those who were dying, let alone
[15:38] Speaker 2: dominions more who have died around the world. Shock horror,
[15:41] Speaker 2: You must be cut off, Tariffs increased on everything. But then,
[15:45] Speaker 2: of course handsome boy rolls in because he promises to
[15:49] Speaker 2: lower the temperature, which just means a little bit of
[15:52] Speaker 2: kissing up and a little bit of never calling out.
[15:56] Speaker 2: So is there a reason why the handsome boy hasn't
[16:00] Speaker 2: live it on yet another promise? Well, the Chinese Ambassador
[16:05] Speaker 2: gives us perhaps a little hint.
[16:07] Speaker 7: The Chinese company has abligation to protect the interests the
[16:11] Speaker 7: legitim igests of Chinese companies overseas.
[16:14] Speaker 1: So anything happens like.
[16:17] Speaker 7: The poet will be taken back by force or forceful measures.
[16:22] Speaker 7: We have abligation to team measure to protect the Chinese
[16:25] Speaker 7: company's interest.
[16:28] Speaker 2: Now, as we know, there are many people who believe
[16:30] Speaker 2: there is only one word to describe Australians in their heart,
[16:34] Speaker 2: in their soul, and it's the R.
[16:36] Speaker 8: Word racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism.
[16:57] Speaker 2: It was just a bit like a bird, like a pigeon, right,
[17:00] Speaker 2: they don't move their necks, they just rais. And we
[17:04] Speaker 2: certainly know that racism is around every corner or should
[17:07] Speaker 2: I say every lift. Well in Australia, scary why man.
[17:34] Speaker 1: Well?
[17:34] Speaker 2: An opinion poll was published in the turnbul Times otherwise
[17:37] Speaker 2: known as The Guardian. It is the essential pole and
[17:40] Speaker 2: they didn't really talk about this because it was really
[17:43] Speaker 2: hidden up the back of the pole and it was
[17:47] Speaker 2: about how Australians feel when it comes to racism. Seventy
[17:51] Speaker 2: percent so that there is tensions between different races and
[17:54] Speaker 2: nationalities in Australia. Sixty nine percent of people so that
[17:58] Speaker 2: they are scared to say what they really think because
[18:01] Speaker 2: they don't want to be labeled as racist. Oh, by
[18:05] Speaker 2: the way, if you think this is just one group
[18:07] Speaker 2: of people, sixty two percent of young voters say there's
[18:10] Speaker 2: tensions between races, seventy one percent of middle aged people
[18:14] Speaker 2: and seventy six percent of fifty five plus those who
[18:18] Speaker 2: are scared to talk about it again, Young voters six
[18:22] Speaker 2: in ten, middle aged voters seven in ten, fifty five
[18:27] Speaker 2: plus almost eight in ten boom.
[18:31] Speaker 1: But it's everywhere, but you should be scared.
[18:37] Speaker 2: The only difference though, is not about your age. It's
[18:39] Speaker 2: of course about your politics. Because when you start to
[18:41] Speaker 2: break down the same survey that I do, notice they
[18:44] Speaker 2: didn't write anything about you have to go and find
[18:47] Speaker 2: what we call the cross tabs. Imagine if the result
[18:50] Speaker 2: was different, what the headline would have been. Eighty two
[18:53] Speaker 2: percent of people who vote for one nation say there's
[18:56] Speaker 2: tension between the races. Ninety one percent of them also
[18:58] Speaker 2: say they're scared to say what they really think because
[19:01] Speaker 2: they don't want to be labeled as a racist. By
[19:03] Speaker 2: the way, this is not because people secretly are racist.
[19:06] Speaker 2: It's because there are people of ill will who try
[19:09] Speaker 2: to turn around and make basic observations and try to
[19:12] Speaker 2: shut you up by saying that's racist. Sixty four percent
[19:16] Speaker 2: of Labor voters, seventy five percent of Coalition voters, and
[19:19] Speaker 2: even seventy two percent of Greens, so there's tension between
[19:23] Speaker 2: the races only fifty four percent, but.
[19:26] Speaker 1: Still a majority of Greens voters.
[19:28] Speaker 2: So people are scared to say what they think because
[19:30] Speaker 2: they're afraid of being labeled racist. Can we show the
[19:34] Speaker 2: Lift one again? I just I'd love it. It was
[19:36] Speaker 2: a great piece of work from the Human Rights Commission
[19:41] Speaker 2: a few years ago. Can we play it again? Because
[19:43] Speaker 2: I just think people do need to be reminded of
[19:45] Speaker 2: how racist Australia is and how I mean, I've seen
[19:49] Speaker 2: this so many times, haven't you?
[20:07] Speaker 1: Okay?
[20:07] Speaker 2: Super producer Lucy, My executive producer, Magic Fingers, Tim who
[20:12] Speaker 2: helps put the show together, right director, executive producer, We've
[20:15] Speaker 2: got an order of everything and they absolutely love it
[20:17] Speaker 2: when I just randomly call for stuff that's already got
[20:20] Speaker 2: in the bin with one hundred things still to go.
[20:23] Speaker 1: They're very good. See how quick that was.
[20:25] Speaker 2: That's a shout out to the good people as well
[20:26] Speaker 2: as beautiful Sasingdon Bear that works for us here each
[20:28] Speaker 2: and every night.
[20:29] Speaker 1: All right, now to the liberal leadership. Let us get there. Oh,
[20:33] Speaker 1: come on, magic fingers, goodness me. I'll just give you
[20:35] Speaker 1: a rap.
[20:35] Speaker 2: You're too busy, listen to the rap follow me camera
[20:38] Speaker 2: five excellent. So, as you know, Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty,
[20:43] Speaker 2: they met today in Melbourne trying to discuss who gets
[20:46] Speaker 2: to be the right wing candidate to be the potential
[20:50] Speaker 2: next Liberal leader.
[20:51] Speaker 1: I did in the media.
[20:52] Speaker 9: Love this today, both excepting they can't win the leadership
[20:56] Speaker 9: fighting against the other and if they did, they wouldn't
[20:59] Speaker 9: last long. Although no formal offers were made, everything is
[21:03] Speaker 9: on the table.
[21:05] Speaker 2: I've got to say a wag friend of mine in
[21:07] Speaker 2: the Facebook group as a Facebook WhatsApp group, and I
[21:10] Speaker 2: don't show you lots of stuff from that WhatsApp group,
[21:12] Speaker 2: but it's fun. Made something funny on chat JBT today.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Their theory is not that they're fighting over the leadership.
[21:18] Speaker 2: They's been very polite saying no, no, you go first,
[21:22] Speaker 2: you be the leader first, you be the next one
[21:25] Speaker 2: to take on. No, no, no you I'll wait, my
[21:27] Speaker 2: t no, I'll wait. Perhaps that's what's going on. I
[21:31] Speaker 2: agree with every word, Peter Kredlin said in her editorial tonight.
[21:34] Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt as well, go doack and watch those for
[21:37] Speaker 2: much deeper and better analysis than mine at skynews dot
[21:40] Speaker 2: com dot au.
[21:41] Speaker 1: On said subject.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Now, last night I watched the super progressive movie. Thank
[21:47] Speaker 2: you to James Ashby for being able to give me
[21:48] Speaker 2: a little peek at it. It's funny, it's full on.
[21:53] Speaker 2: There's parts of it where you go wow. And as
[21:59] Speaker 2: you know, the song by Holly v Lance has got
[22:01] Speaker 2: a bit of attention this week because people like it.
[22:17] Speaker 1: I well, as you know, this thing went to number one.
[22:19] Speaker 2: But we're all being told today didn't officially qualify for
[22:21] Speaker 2: the charts because list and this and this and this.
[22:23] Speaker 2: So it went to number one, right, plenty of people
[22:25] Speaker 2: have claimed the number one.
[22:27] Speaker 1: That's what they got this week.
[22:28] Speaker 2: Well, today Apple Music made the decision yank no, not acceptable.
[22:34] Speaker 2: Now they haven't come forward and said exactly why. I
[22:36] Speaker 2: think we all know why. It's just not acceptable. Not acceptable,
[22:41] Speaker 2: but still checking. It's okay to play this song on
[22:43] Speaker 2: the radio. Time me, I'm surpassed as well play I
[22:48] Speaker 2: wear the scars.
[22:49] Speaker 1: I want you to put that big mat so write
[22:52] Speaker 1: in the lyric of ar okay, or let your kids
[22:57] Speaker 1: sing this aver them.
[23:04] Speaker 4: It's also.
[23:09] Speaker 2: Presuming this might be our last program. If I show
[23:12] Speaker 2: this example.
[23:13] Speaker 1: No.
[23:15] Speaker 9: Up up and stop it up up and up, then stop, pretend.
[23:22] Speaker 1: That didn't happen. Okay, anyway, you get my point once,
[23:26] Speaker 1: I'm not acceptable this one to the front of the queue. Please.
[23:31] Speaker 2: As for the actual movie, now, there has a very
[23:34] Speaker 2: small cinema run. You can get it at super a
[23:37] Speaker 2: Superaggressive Movie dot com. Again, I just plug it because
[23:40] Speaker 2: if you want to watch it, you can watch it.
[23:42] Speaker 2: I go to the film festival every year and I
[23:45] Speaker 2: spend two weeks and I put a little bear at on.
[23:47] Speaker 2: Oh it's wonderful. But what I have always believed about
[23:52] Speaker 2: film or television or books, whatever, whatever, you can kind
[23:56] Speaker 2: of do whatever you want as long as you don't
[23:57] Speaker 2: break the law, defameatory all that stuff, right, and somebody
[24:02] Speaker 2: shouldn't have the right to say that's not appropriate, and
[24:04] Speaker 2: that's why something isn't able to be seen red or
[24:07] Speaker 2: heard right if you choose to go and do it now.
[24:09] Speaker 2: We have seen this in the past when the fred
[24:11] Speaker 2: Niles of this world have tried to picket out the
[24:14] Speaker 2: front of theaters. But now the pearl clutching, of course
[24:18] Speaker 2: is done on the extreme left, and that has been
[24:20] Speaker 2: done in and around this movie.
[24:22] Speaker 1: Again.
[24:23] Speaker 2: This cultural moment can completely pass you by and you've
[24:26] Speaker 2: never heard of it, or it could be exactly what
[24:28] Speaker 2: you want to do on a Friday night. But in
[24:30] Speaker 2: a free country you get to do all of it
[24:32] Speaker 2: all right.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Now.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the premiere had been sold out
[24:38] Speaker 2: at sessions in Hobart and in Melbourne, there were people,
[24:41] Speaker 2: ironically super paggressives who were trying to ban the Super
[24:43] Speaker 2: Aggressive movie. They were able to get some success because
[24:47] Speaker 2: there were some cancelations. But thank you and well done
[24:50] Speaker 2: to the theater chains that turned around. And no, no, no, no,
[24:52] Speaker 2: no where about shan movies that people like don't like.
[24:55] Speaker 2: We're not going to get in the way of the
[24:57] Speaker 2: art if somebody wants to see it again. America World
[25:00] Speaker 2: Police full of offensive stuff that ran number one posters,
[25:05] Speaker 2: TV ads, okay, this with the Australian twist that being
[25:08] Speaker 2: a super progressive movie.
[25:11] Speaker 1: They have their issues.
[25:14] Speaker 2: But again, just like with the music, and again, has
[25:17] Speaker 2: there been a meeting somewhere that this is my final broadcast.
[25:19] Speaker 1: It's a little edgy tonight.
[25:22] Speaker 2: So apparently these people say no, no super progressive movie noe
[25:25] Speaker 2: not allowed in cinemas, but literally in a cinema near
[25:29] Speaker 2: you this weekend. Three movies that you can see this weekend.
[25:35] Speaker 2: There's other good ones, but still Iron Lung, which is
[25:39] Speaker 2: quote a post apocalyptic future where a convict explores a
[25:44] Speaker 2: blood ocean on a desolate moon. There's this one where
[25:50] Speaker 2: the family monkey gets bitten and turns into a horror
[25:53] Speaker 2: movie trying to kill a whole bunch of people on
[25:56] Speaker 2: a vacation. Or although I need to give you an
[25:59] Speaker 2: next nation, the latest in the zombie movies of twenty
[26:04] Speaker 2: eight days, months and years later, The Bone Temple.
[26:07] Speaker 1: See you're with the movies. Let's all go to the lobby.
[26:13] Speaker 1: Let's all go to the lobie. Let's all go to
[26:16] Speaker 1: the lube, get yourselves some snacks.
[26:20] Speaker 2: No, it's not our last show. The last show will
[26:23] Speaker 2: be when I start smoking on set. That's when you
[26:25] Speaker 2: know it's the last show till then we're going to
[26:28] Speaker 2: push as hard as we can. Thank you so much
[26:29] Speaker 2: for joining us this Thursday night, more in the man
[26:32] Speaker 2: Cave in a set. Thank you so much for watching
[26:37] Speaker 2: joining us. And what is a rather balmi man cave
[26:39] Speaker 2: this evening for some reason, his wonderful Joe Hilda brand.
[26:42] Speaker 2: You can see them in lots of places, but thankfully
[26:44] Speaker 2: here on a Thursday night. And Roskadell bugger. This sort
[26:47] Speaker 2: of down the line business in the man Cave tonight.
[26:50] Speaker 10: Made lovely lovely, So got nowhere else to.
[26:53] Speaker 1: Be all right?
[26:54] Speaker 2: Yeah the class, Yeah correct. I'm going to get to
[26:58] Speaker 2: the obvious in a second, right, but can we run
[27:00] Speaker 2: through a couple of things before we get to the obvious.
[27:03] Speaker 2: As we know, the Northern Territory government is going to
[27:05] Speaker 2: have this crazy idea that all kids, all schools, every
[27:10] Speaker 2: day started the day seeing the national anthem. I know
[27:14] Speaker 2: it's crazy, right. Well, a labor MP has decided to
[27:18] Speaker 2: somehow try to link this decision by the Territory government
[27:24] Speaker 2: to a matter that is now before the courts, but
[27:26] Speaker 2: a despicable matter that is before the courts out of Perth.
[27:29] Speaker 2: If you can see the link. You're a better man
[27:32] Speaker 2: than I. But listen to what he said.
[27:34] Speaker 6: We've seen recently the attacks down in Wa where we
[27:38] Speaker 6: saw an explosive device throwing into the invasion Day Raleigh
[27:43] Speaker 6: as an active terror and we don't want to go.
[27:45] Speaker 11: Down that line.
[27:46] Speaker 6: And that's exactly what Joe Hersey is trying to do
[27:49] Speaker 6: here is feed into that narrative that there is a
[27:54] Speaker 6: sense of patriotsm and us against them mentality, and I
[27:58] Speaker 6: think it's quite dangerous and what she's done.
[28:01] Speaker 2: Ah okay, Joe, Yes, fluent in labor, I am what
[28:07] Speaker 2: the hell is he talking about?
[28:08] Speaker 1: Because I know there was a.
[28:10] Speaker 2: University study a long time ago that says the gateway
[28:13] Speaker 2: to radicalism is to care about things like Australia Day
[28:17] Speaker 2: and the flag.
[28:18] Speaker 1: But that was bullshit then and it's bull now. Yeah.
[28:21] Speaker 3: I think a large part of the problem is that
[28:22] Speaker 3: the right faction forgot to keep control of the Northern Territory,
[28:26] Speaker 3: one of his few remaining outposts, and that's kind of
[28:30] Speaker 3: left on the way out if we got to turn
[28:32] Speaker 3: off the light. So so I think there's that comparing
[28:36] Speaker 3: the National Anthem to a terror act to scribe a
[28:38] Speaker 3: lleged Arry Act is obviously just the most deranged thing,
[28:42] Speaker 3: and it is why the territory government looks like what
[28:45] Speaker 3: it looks like, and you've got you know, you've got
[28:47] Speaker 3: like you know what looks like the Italian Prime minister alone,
[28:49] Speaker 3: he is now doing a thing in the in Darwin.
[28:53] Speaker 3: And I think it's this sort of thing that make
[28:54] Speaker 3: people think that, you know, that woke is everywhere, that
[28:58] Speaker 3: it's a joke and blah blah, blah blah. The national anthem,
[29:00] Speaker 3: just incidentally, you may recall, was recently changed to one
[29:04] Speaker 3: and Free instead of young and Free in order to
[29:07] Speaker 3: properly make sure we orb indigenous Australians into our national song.
[29:14] Speaker 3: And that's what it should be. And I think about
[29:16] Speaker 3: this a lot. You know, with the history wars that
[29:18] Speaker 3: are going on, there is not a single country on
[29:20] Speaker 3: the planet that does not have a bloody and dark
[29:23] Speaker 3: and complicated history. There is probably not a single country
[29:27] Speaker 3: on the planet that hasn't been invaded or a population
[29:30] Speaker 3: that hasn't been displaced over the sort of tides of history.
[29:34] Speaker 11: The question is what do you do now?
[29:37] Speaker 3: Do you focus on trying to tell yourself a cohesive,
[29:41] Speaker 3: positive national story where you are welcoming, where you do
[29:44] Speaker 3: embrace all cultures, including your most ancient and your most recent,
[29:49] Speaker 3: and say yes, we can do this, or do you
[29:50] Speaker 3: continue to say no, we are horrible people, which effectively
[29:55] Speaker 3: makes people think either A, well, if you're.
[29:57] Speaker 11: Saying we're all horrible, why try harder?
[29:59] Speaker 12: Well.
[30:00] Speaker 2: So it's a little bit always comes back to me.
[30:01] Speaker 2: Where of all of the local councils I like to
[30:03] Speaker 2: make their stand on Australia Day, I always know it's
[30:05] Speaker 2: Darwin and Alice springs. No problem with Australia Day, right,
[30:09] Speaker 2: the Northern Territory with all of its obvious connections country
[30:12] Speaker 2: and the rest of it. Again, this doesn't mean you
[30:14] Speaker 2: don't hear about sins of the past during a history
[30:18] Speaker 2: lesson that day that started with the national anthem, that
[30:20] Speaker 2: you don't have some form of welcome the country at
[30:22] Speaker 2: some significant sporting event. But the idea that even just
[30:26] Speaker 2: before we try it out, this is some horrible little
[30:30] Speaker 2: spirit that we're dropping into people that makes them too red,
[30:33] Speaker 2: white and blue.
[30:34] Speaker 10: And linking the national anthem what was a potential terrorism
[30:37] Speaker 10: attack is just a horrible thing to do. And what
[30:39] Speaker 10: makes countries great is you can have It's not one
[30:43] Speaker 10: of cultures, but it is unity, it's a singularity of
[30:44] Speaker 10: purpose and Australian national anthem, he says, encapsulates that. To
[30:47] Speaker 10: put it aside, Well done, Northern Territory, Well done, Lena.
[30:50] Speaker 10: Let's get it out of there.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Alea Fino is spectacular.
[30:53] Speaker 2: I'm telling you she's there's quite a few little stars
[30:56] Speaker 2: that are there in and around the state parliaments. We'll
[30:59] Speaker 2: see what happens, but she's an absolute pocket rocket and
[31:01] Speaker 2: all the best to her running that beautiful part of
[31:03] Speaker 2: the Norman territory that we will be back to later
[31:05] Speaker 2: in the year when it comes to ourtown. So I
[31:07] Speaker 2: wonder what month and whether fire works on July the
[31:09] Speaker 2: first first May territory died yet again, play a role,
[31:13] Speaker 2: yet again, play a role. I leave the kids at
[31:15] Speaker 2: home this time. Okay, so the inflation numbers here where Joe?
[31:19] Speaker 2: I just want to ask, and I know this could
[31:21] Speaker 2: solicit a much longer conversation, but why the hell do
[31:25] Speaker 2: people let them get away with it? Because I do
[31:27] Speaker 2: not understand?
[31:28] Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, look that that is fair.
[31:30] Speaker 1: What is special about it?
[31:31] Speaker 11: Right about this year's you know youngs ago.
[31:33] Speaker 3: Sorry, like I mean, obviously I'm soft on labor, but
[31:38] Speaker 3: they are not as strong as their parliamentary numbers and
[31:42] Speaker 3: their opinion polling.
[31:44] Speaker 11: Shows at face value my wad.
[31:46] Speaker 3: But you know normally think, oh, no, labour's taking a
[31:49] Speaker 3: massive hit after BONDI because they've gone down from fifty
[31:51] Speaker 3: eight to fifty five percent. I mean in any other
[31:54] Speaker 3: you know, in any other context, that's still a hail Mary. Likewise,
[31:57] Speaker 3: the record ninety four seats, that is just incredible. But
[32:01] Speaker 3: both those things are not just because Labor is doing well.
[32:04] Speaker 3: They are because the Coalition has vacated the feed yep,
[32:08] Speaker 3: the field. And I love Ross obviously, but you know,
[32:11] Speaker 3: the coalition is just in absolute shambles.
[32:13] Speaker 11: And instead of holding.
[32:14] Speaker 3: Labor to account over the inflation numbers, which experts are
[32:19] Speaker 3: saying is due to government spending, let's call a spade
[32:22] Speaker 3: a spade, they're talking to themselves and rolling themselves.
[32:26] Speaker 2: But also it's in fairness. From memory, I think there
[32:29] Speaker 2: was a little clips somewhere inside the Andrew Purben's speech
[32:33] Speaker 2: speech packaged tonight in the six PM News. But generally
[32:35] Speaker 2: speaking we don't get the words of the past being
[32:39] Speaker 2: brought back on these people enough because it's one thing
[32:42] Speaker 2: for an opposition spokesperson to say it all the rest
[32:45] Speaker 2: of it here and again if people make their judgment
[32:47] Speaker 2: about who they think is the one who's going to
[32:49] Speaker 2: run the country, and that's cool with the called elections,
[32:52] Speaker 2: all right, not sitting here, so come with thumb about
[32:53] Speaker 2: those things.
[32:54] Speaker 1: But Ross, it.
[32:55] Speaker 2: Is extraordinary to me that they've got the balls to
[32:58] Speaker 2: come out there and say we're looking for savings.
[33:00] Speaker 1: Well, their entire campaign.
[33:03] Speaker 2: Against the opposition was a dollar saved is a cut,
[33:06] Speaker 2: and that's going to result in more people in the poor,
[33:08] Speaker 2: people in the streets when there was already poor people
[33:10] Speaker 2: in the streets, record homelessness that they wouldn't fun one hundreds.
[33:14] Speaker 10: And this is the frustration. And you know we've contributed.
[33:17] Speaker 10: Let's not pretend we haven't contributed to not making.
[33:19] Speaker 1: This out there.
[33:20] Speaker 10: But there's a certain sense we see polling that you
[33:23] Speaker 10: know in depth that other people don't see. People are
[33:25] Speaker 10: accepting this as a new normal, though they aren't getting
[33:27] Speaker 10: as angry because it's been going so long. This isn't
[33:29] Speaker 10: a peak. This is happening long term, and they're accepting
[33:32] Speaker 10: of like I've never seen before. People are just grateful
[33:35] Speaker 10: to survive and no longer want to succeed.
[33:37] Speaker 2: But also part of the problem is in our own lives.
[33:40] Speaker 2: Who isn't spending more, Who isn't spending more than they
[33:43] Speaker 2: bringing in, who hasn't borrowed too much? And that's part
[33:46] Speaker 2: of the problem too, is is that if we go
[33:47] Speaker 2: back to say that Howard here right, a lot of
[33:50] Speaker 2: people from World War II is still around. These were
[33:52] Speaker 2: people who didn't buy anything until they had it in
[33:54] Speaker 2: full right. Generation later they were able to borrow a
[33:59] Speaker 2: little bit, but they still have to have a big deposit.
[34:01] Speaker 2: Generation later, We'll give it to you and you can
[34:05] Speaker 2: pay it off in four increments over it. So unsurprisingly
[34:08] Speaker 2: that affects the politics all right, Ross elephant in the
[34:11] Speaker 2: room again.
[34:13] Speaker 1: We love talking to you.
[34:14] Speaker 2: I want you in the Parliament, but I don't understand
[34:16] Speaker 2: it's just and again, I'm trying to sit here as
[34:19] Speaker 2: a person who advocated very publicly for you and your
[34:23] Speaker 2: team to be in government twelve months ago, the twelve
[34:25] Speaker 2: months later. In this scenario, where are the Nats out
[34:28] Speaker 2: for good? Are they out for a year, are they
[34:31] Speaker 2: out for a week?
[34:32] Speaker 4: What?
[34:33] Speaker 1: Because it's very difficult for the five.
[34:36] Speaker 2: Million people who voted for your team to find a
[34:40] Speaker 2: reason to defend them at a barbecue this week.
[34:43] Speaker 1: I hope we're not out for good.
[34:43] Speaker 10: I'll be honest with you. I don't want to be
[34:45] Speaker 10: out for good. I think we're out for longer than
[34:46] Speaker 10: we would like to be. Whatever it is you think
[34:48] Speaker 10: it's hard to get a relationship back together. If a
[34:51] Speaker 10: marriage breaks down, you don't marry someone the next day.
[34:53] Speaker 10: You just may start another relationship. So that's going forward.
[34:56] Speaker 10: The reason is for us on this one, freedom of
[34:58] Speaker 10: speech isn't absolute. And if you want to go back
[35:00] Speaker 10: to that first, since about the link of potential hate
[35:03] Speaker 10: speech of the National anthem, we didn't know where it
[35:05] Speaker 10: would stop. It was and absolute. It was that important
[35:08] Speaker 10: to us. We hoped it wouldn't blow up as big
[35:11] Speaker 10: as it did.
[35:12] Speaker 11: But we were where.
[35:13] Speaker 10: We're not going to pretend we weren't where it could.
[35:15] Speaker 10: Our resignations were there. They were written the night before.
[35:17] Speaker 10: They'll hand it in the next morning because we knew
[35:19] Speaker 10: they were there. We need to find a way though.
[35:22] Speaker 10: That represents the divergence of Australia that our electorates in
[35:25] Speaker 10: regions who aren't off as well off the cities are
[35:27] Speaker 10: having some very different struggles. One nation is going in
[35:29] Speaker 10: the polls all over Australia Perry urban places where we
[35:32] Speaker 10: don't compete. There are different needs in regional and remote
[35:35] Speaker 10: in peri urban and cities. And unless we find a
[35:37] Speaker 10: mechanism where we can represent that, we are going to
[35:40] Speaker 10: be buggered for a long term because the Liberals need
[35:42] Speaker 10: to better represent their people and they need some flexibility
[35:45] Speaker 10: from us, and we from needs well.
[35:47] Speaker 2: And I remember and I was thinking back to when
[35:48] Speaker 2: Matt Canavan and Pauline were with us during the election
[35:52] Speaker 2: campaign and we're at seagulls on tweetheads, and again Pauline
[35:56] Speaker 2: has often says come and join us. He says, no,
[35:58] Speaker 2: what I want to do is I want to be
[35:59] Speaker 2: part of the team can eventually run something right. The logic,
[36:03] Speaker 2: of course, always is is that the national party person
[36:06] Speaker 2: is going to fire up on the behalf of their community,
[36:09] Speaker 2: but they're either going to be in the same meeting room,
[36:11] Speaker 2: cabinet room or hallway as the person who can make
[36:15] Speaker 2: the decision. But obviously there's a lot of people who
[36:20] Speaker 2: either don't see that, don't care about that anymore, or
[36:22] Speaker 2: think something's failed in all of that. How do you
[36:25] Speaker 2: stress that at a time when it's like, you know what,
[36:28] Speaker 2: all I want is somebody who's just going to blow
[36:30] Speaker 2: it all up and tell them all.
[36:31] Speaker 1: To get stuffed. Well, this is the problem, because that's
[36:34] Speaker 1: what you get that on the stone.
[36:35] Speaker 10: We had it yesterday. I just told you before we
[36:37] Speaker 10: came here. My son's engine blew up on his first
[36:38] Speaker 10: race day yesterday. But I can look at the engine
[36:40] Speaker 10: and say enginees broken. I can't fix it. And that's
[36:42] Speaker 10: the difference between an opposition party and another one. I
[36:45] Speaker 10: can't fix that engine, and parties of government have to
[36:47] Speaker 10: have the answers to make things better. We want to
[36:49] Speaker 10: be a party of government. We want to work on policy.
[36:52] Speaker 10: Let's be honest. It wasn't working out that well in
[36:54] Speaker 10: where we were. I don't know if anyone either you
[36:56] Speaker 10: can name a policy of the coalition in the nine
[36:59] Speaker 10: months name.
[37:00] Speaker 1: Well, it was just a giant fight about net zero, right,
[37:03] Speaker 1: so we know where and Matt and I did that again.
[37:05] Speaker 11: You know it didn't come. We have an absence of
[37:07] Speaker 11: a policy.
[37:09] Speaker 10: And that was the thing. Things weren't going great. This happened.
[37:14] Speaker 10: It wasn't a catalyst for any there's no global conspiracy.
[37:16] Speaker 10: But we have to find a mechanism to move forward.
[37:19] Speaker 10: It is better for Australia and we need the answers.
[37:21] Speaker 10: We'll work on policies. They'll have a cracket, as we
[37:23] Speaker 10: deserve to have a cracket, as I deserve to pay
[37:25] Speaker 10: a price, not pretending that I didn't, but overall, we
[37:29] Speaker 10: country reasons. We need people in the room come a
[37:32] Speaker 10: next election so that we can have policies that help them,
[37:34] Speaker 10: and if we don't, we are failing.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Now.
[37:36] Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot too, Joe, which
[37:37] Speaker 2: is that the way the Labor Party works this is that,
[37:40] Speaker 2: you know, let's imagine the three of us were in
[37:41] Speaker 2: a room furiously disagreeing about something. Two of us go
[37:45] Speaker 2: one way, one of us go the other way. Soon
[37:46] Speaker 2: as we walk out of the room, the rules are
[37:48] Speaker 2: all three of us agree with whatever was just agreed
[37:51] Speaker 2: to keep long a post gay marriage stupid right, but
[37:55] Speaker 2: so clearly crazy. However, it means message discipline, it means
[37:59] Speaker 2: nobody's says anything that's off the sheet. It means that
[38:01] Speaker 2: there's not sources close to and all of that. So
[38:05] Speaker 2: in many ways, the messiness of what we're going through,
[38:08] Speaker 2: and it is not me putting any silver lining on it.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Because there isn't. Right.
[38:12] Speaker 2: I appreciate the people like Ross going through the mess,
[38:16] Speaker 2: telling us what's going on through the mess, right, because
[38:18] Speaker 2: there is another side of politics, and an even more
[38:20] Speaker 2: secretive side than the Greens, who remember party rooms leadership.
[38:24] Speaker 2: Just you think paper conclaves are difficult to work out
[38:28] Speaker 2: what's going on inside.
[38:29] Speaker 1: Green party rooms? Right?
[38:32] Speaker 4: You know it's a bullet Burea or comrade, very transparent policies.
[38:37] Speaker 11: But ondly we can see the progresses that are very transparent, correct,
[38:41] Speaker 11: because we have the good eyes sight.
[38:43] Speaker 1: So here's the problem.
[38:44] Speaker 2: Right, one is clearly healthy, one is not, but equally
[38:48] Speaker 2: one is not helpful then politics, and one.
[38:52] Speaker 3: Is obviously in politics you have to have a degree
[38:55] Speaker 3: of discipline and a large degree of discipline.
[38:57] Speaker 11: Otherwise why have parties as well?
[38:59] Speaker 3: Parties weren't in the in the constitution in Australia, they
[39:02] Speaker 3: haven't been in any constitution of any major democracy. They
[39:05] Speaker 3: evolved naturally because it's the only way to get things done.
[39:08] Speaker 3: You get enough people who agree broadly on you know,
[39:11] Speaker 3: a set of princip or whatever, and then you say, right,
[39:15] Speaker 3: what can we do? What can we all agree and
[39:17] Speaker 3: what can we get sort of critical mass on?
[39:19] Speaker 1: Right?
[39:19] Speaker 3: So there is that the question is how I'm glad
[39:21] Speaker 3: you want it to be now. Labor tears itself apart
[39:24] Speaker 3: all the time. If you look at any conference that
[39:26] Speaker 3: they go to, you know's not multi even just the
[39:31] Speaker 3: stuff that they say to each other or about each other.
[39:33] Speaker 1: Yah.
[39:34] Speaker 3: And you know, but at the end of the day,
[39:36] Speaker 3: they all get out there and they all say exactly
[39:39] Speaker 3: the same thing. And you can have absurd positions like
[39:41] Speaker 3: Pennywongs on same sex marriage that are actually ironically made
[39:45] Speaker 3: a virtue of because it's an example of this is
[39:48] Speaker 3: how disciplined I am. This is how committed I am
[39:52] Speaker 3: to the success of the party over my success or
[39:55] Speaker 3: my you know, sleeping easy at night as an individual.
[39:58] Speaker 3: And that's a difference between a party of government and
[39:59] Speaker 3: a part of protest. And that's why one nation in
[40:02] Speaker 3: the Greens have more in common than I think they realized.
[40:05] Speaker 11: Well and all the question is I was just going
[40:06] Speaker 11: to quickly say sorry, it is your show. But the
[40:10] Speaker 11: question is Juy and my own Liberal party and.
[40:13] Speaker 3: The coalition is they do allow conscience votes on most things.
[40:17] Speaker 3: And the only exception, of course, is the shadow cabinet
[40:20] Speaker 3: is meant to vote together. But if you're going to
[40:22] Speaker 3: have that, make a virtue of it, so don't make it,
[40:25] Speaker 3: you know, a capital offense for a budget of NAT's
[40:28] Speaker 3: front benchers to.
[40:29] Speaker 2: Vote, but by design when something hits a certain threshold
[40:32] Speaker 2: in opposition, I agree, Ross. Thank you for joining us,
[40:35] Speaker 2: Thank you for being so open. Thank you for explaining,
[40:37] Speaker 2: by the way, throwing the teals with that party in protest.
[40:39] Speaker 2: All right, quick breakback with more Colin Flynn. He sends
[40:42] Speaker 2: us off with a smile. Off into a big and
[40:44] Speaker 2: busy weekend. Thank you so much for watching. This is
[40:46] Speaker 2: Paul Murray. Lot so much trouble in the world, so
[40:53] Speaker 2: much strife, So we choose to end our week by
[40:55] Speaker 2: trying to give you a smile.
[40:57] Speaker 1: The man who was automatically going to do that.
[40:58] Speaker 2: By his presence, no pre certainly his voice A favorite irishman,
[41:02] Speaker 2: Colin Flint. Now, Colin, you were of course based in
[41:05] Speaker 2: around the Vatican, and not a lot of people would
[41:07] Speaker 2: make the automatic connection between a center of faith and
[41:11] Speaker 2: scientific endeavors. But of course it is a country within
[41:14] Speaker 2: a country, and it has an observatory.
[41:19] Speaker 13: Yeah, Paul, this is one of the most fascinating stories
[41:22] Speaker 13: I think I've ever covered, because you're right, when people
[41:24] Speaker 13: think of the Vatican and the Catholic Church. They think
[41:27] Speaker 13: of religious affairs, monasteries, convents, priests, nuns, and the first
[41:31] Speaker 13: thing that doesn't come to mind is necessarily an observatory.
[41:34] Speaker 13: But in actual fact, the Vatican has one of the
[41:37] Speaker 13: oldest observatories in the world. This is the Vatican Observatory,
[41:41] Speaker 13: which is located around an hour outside of Rome in
[41:44] Speaker 13: Cassel Gondolfo. This beautiful setting where you have also the
[41:48] Speaker 13: papal summer residence and the papal gardens and papal firm
[41:52] Speaker 13: But it was started by Poplio the thirteenth. Of course,
[41:55] Speaker 13: now we have Poplio the fourteenth, but he started this
[41:57] Speaker 13: in eighteen ninety one as a way to sh to
[42:00] Speaker 13: the world. Look, the Church, Yes we're about the other worldly,
[42:04] Speaker 13: but we're also here, deeply rooted in this world, and
[42:07] Speaker 13: the Church is not opposed to science. So they started
[42:10] Speaker 13: this observatory and over the years it has a fascinating history.
[42:14] Speaker 13: Now they have twelve full time astronomers who have degrees
[42:17] Speaker 13: in physics and maths and engineering and planetary science from
[42:21] Speaker 13: some of the top universities right around the world. But
[42:24] Speaker 13: what makes them unique and different, Paul, is that they
[42:26] Speaker 13: are also religious they are priests and they are brothers.
[42:30] Speaker 1: They have one of the.
[42:31] Speaker 13: Largest meteorite collections on the face of the planet, with
[42:34] Speaker 13: over a thousand pieces from the depths of space. And
[42:37] Speaker 13: when you look at some of the big moments throughout history,
[42:39] Speaker 13: I'm thinking of your namesake. Actually, Paul sixth nineteen sixty nine,
[42:44] Speaker 13: he spoke to the Apollo astronauts while they were walking
[42:48] Speaker 13: on the Moon. They did a live link up where
[42:50] Speaker 13: he said to them, we got the beautiful audio for
[42:52] Speaker 13: a report. It's all crack lean and you can hear
[42:55] Speaker 13: that the low quality. And he said, Gueten's astronaut, this
[42:59] Speaker 13: is the Pope speaking to you from the Vatican. I
[43:01] Speaker 13: give you blessings, conquerors of the Moon.
[43:04] Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful story.
[43:06] Speaker 13: But I think what is so fascinating is the man
[43:09] Speaker 13: that I got to meet, the main character, the head,
[43:12] Speaker 13: the man who was also called the Pope's astronomer. His
[43:15] Speaker 13: name is brother Guy Cancelmano, and he is from Detroit
[43:18] Speaker 13: in Michigan. Now he's probably one of the only people
[43:21] Speaker 13: in the world who is wearing an MIT ring and
[43:23] Speaker 13: a Roman collar as a religious brother. Because it was
[43:27] Speaker 13: a professor at Harvard and MIT and the more pole
[43:29] Speaker 13: he peered into the telescopes there and examined the heavens,
[43:33] Speaker 13: the more he became convinced that there was a heaven
[43:36] Speaker 13: and that there was a God, now I know. I
[43:38] Speaker 13: covered the story for the BBC and for e WTN,
[43:41] Speaker 13: and after we aired it, a lot of people said
[43:42] Speaker 13: to me, well, hang on a second column. Faith and
[43:45] Speaker 13: science can't go together. One is based on facts and
[43:48] Speaker 13: the others based on just that faith. They don't mix.
[43:52] Speaker 13: And people were tweeting this from their cell phones. So
[43:54] Speaker 13: in my follow up interview with them, I put this
[43:57] Speaker 13: to brother Guy Conselmano. I said, you know, people are
[43:59] Speaker 13: saying these kinds of things on their cell phone.
[44:02] Speaker 1: What say you?
[44:03] Speaker 13: And here's what he said.
[44:05] Speaker 12: Evidence in front of you is that anybody tells you
[44:08] Speaker 12: you have to give up your science to be a
[44:10] Speaker 12: religious person or your religion to be a scientific person
[44:13] Speaker 12: is giving you a load of nonsense.
[44:16] Speaker 13: The Big B Book of Genesis versus the Big Bang theory,
[44:22] Speaker 13: there's a perfect example of how the two are so opposed.
[44:27] Speaker 13: There could never be any point in a minute where
[44:29] Speaker 13: they can meet. How can you be a man of both?
[44:32] Speaker 12: I'll start up reminding you that the Big Bang theory
[44:35] Speaker 12: was devised by a Catholic priest, George Lamitra, and it
[44:38] Speaker 12: was opposed by a lot of astronomers in his day
[44:41] Speaker 12: because they thought it was too close to the idea
[44:44] Speaker 12: of creation. But Genesis is not a book of science.
[44:48] Speaker 12: Genesis is a book about God.
[44:51] Speaker 13: He went on to say as well, Paul, that the power,
[44:54] Speaker 13: the electricity that goes into your phone, the volts and
[44:57] Speaker 13: the amps, the people behind those technologically advances and electronics
[45:01] Speaker 13: were people of religion. So even when people are criticizing
[45:04] Speaker 13: from their phone, little do they know the religious people
[45:07] Speaker 13: who went into the technology and the engineering behind it.
[45:10] Speaker 13: But you know what, Paul, one of the most beautiful
[45:12] Speaker 13: things about this story, and I know that you're going
[45:14] Speaker 13: to love this too, is that despite the fact that
[45:16] Speaker 13: brother Guy has worked at Harvard and MIT, his achievements
[45:20] Speaker 13: and accolades are too long to mention, despite the fact
[45:23] Speaker 13: that he's worked with four popes, Saint Pope John Paul,
[45:26] Speaker 13: the Second, Pope Benedict the sixteenth, Pope Francis, and now
[45:29] Speaker 13: Pope Leo the fourteenth. When I asked him, what gives
[45:33] Speaker 13: this meaning? Why are you so passionate about it? And
[45:36] Speaker 13: what drives you. Here's the answer he gave me.
[45:39] Speaker 12: My father lived to be one hundred, my mom to
[45:41] Speaker 12: ninety seven. Wow, both of them are tremendous role models
[45:45] Speaker 12: to me. I was very close to my father in
[45:48] Speaker 12: so many ways. He wanted to be an astronomer, but
[45:50] Speaker 12: you know, in the depression that wasn't going to happen.
[45:53] Speaker 13: Do you think about him now when you pier through
[45:55] Speaker 13: the telescopes.
[45:55] Speaker 12: All the time, All the time, I think of him,
[45:57] Speaker 12: And there's not a week goes by when there is
[45:59] Speaker 12: some something that I want to tell him about, something
[46:01] Speaker 12: that I know he'd be really delighted to hear about.
[46:04] Speaker 13: What did he think of the work you were doing?
[46:06] Speaker 12: I hope you with prode, Not that I was out
[46:09] Speaker 12: the Vatican, I knew the popes or whatever. He enjoyed that,
[46:12] Speaker 12: but just that I was able to do the astronomy
[46:14] Speaker 12: that he'd always wanted to do.
[46:16] Speaker 2: You know those people, Colin, and as you said before,
[46:18] Speaker 2: this being a fascinating story and an interesting person to
[46:21] Speaker 2: talk to, just that energy. You can see where again
[46:25] Speaker 2: in that simple, absolutely inviting way that he deals with
[46:30] Speaker 2: the question of the Big Bang theory, which is sort
[46:31] Speaker 2: of you know, like this adolescent way of being able
[46:34] Speaker 2: to push away religion. And again, I'm not sitting here
[46:39] Speaker 2: as a person of faith.
[46:40] Speaker 1: You are.
[46:41] Speaker 2: Our friendship is something bigger than that. But it is
[46:44] Speaker 2: amazing to see just how much sense that bloke just
[46:48] Speaker 2: made about one of these things that becomes an absolute
[46:52] Speaker 2: sort of lightning rod for why people do or don't believe.
[46:58] Speaker 13: And it's really interesting, Paul. You say that because you know,
[47:01] Speaker 13: the Big Bang theory is something that people often point
[47:04] Speaker 13: to and say, well, look the Book of Genesis. They're
[47:06] Speaker 13: completely opposed. And I asked them that later in the interview,
[47:09] Speaker 13: I said, well, look, if God knows all this, why
[47:11] Speaker 13: didn't he just put it in the beginning of the Bible, saying, look,
[47:14] Speaker 13: we had the two hydrogen atoms colliding X billion years
[47:17] Speaker 13: ago and then it created this and that.
[47:19] Speaker 1: Why not just lay it out and we know?
[47:20] Speaker 13: And he said column a couple of hundred years ago,
[47:23] Speaker 13: that theory would have seemed so fantastical, just like the
[47:27] Speaker 13: Book of Genesis when you read it, it seemed so fantastical,
[47:30] Speaker 13: a crash of thunder, a flash of light, he said.
[47:32] Speaker 13: And in fifty years he said that theory, the Big
[47:35] Speaker 13: Bang theory, one hundred years, we hope will look naive now.
[47:38] Speaker 13: He said. It had to be written in a way
[47:39] Speaker 13: like poetry that makes the timeless, that can be understood
[47:43] Speaker 13: in many different ways at any different time. But you know,
[47:46] Speaker 13: I think you know this from doing TV. Whoever has
[47:49] Speaker 13: a passion, it wins every time. And like you, I
[47:52] Speaker 13: could sit and I could have talked to him for
[47:54] Speaker 13: the entire day, for all of eternity as well, because
[47:57] Speaker 13: he was just such a wonderful guy, such a passionate guy,
[48:00] Speaker 13: and that observatory. Every year they have a summer academy
[48:03] Speaker 13: where they bring in students who want to study planetary
[48:07] Speaker 13: sciences but come from disadvantage backgrounds in India parts of
[48:10] Speaker 13: Africa and can't afford to do it or other countries
[48:12] Speaker 13: don't have universities providing it. And many of those students
[48:16] Speaker 13: have gone on to work at NASA, the European Space
[48:18] Speaker 13: Agency and agencies all over the world.
[48:21] Speaker 1: Thank you, min have a lovely wakened older. Best to
[48:23] Speaker 1: you and your family. We'll see you again next week.
[48:25] Speaker 2: What all a wonderful way to end out wake like
[48:27] Speaker 2: to back five minutes away from now here on Sky News. Yeah,
[48:36] Speaker 2: that's ashe for the Thank you very much watching Remember
[48:38] Speaker 2: Sunday night, that's where we are h end every week
[48:41] Speaker 2: at nine o'clock. Have a great wake in Guy Yankees,
[48:44] Speaker 2: Guy Tigers, and chases on the case.

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