# Paul Murray Live | 5 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 5 Feb 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/d709a5bf-fe52-4b2c-8e6f-b3e800c7480c/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Perth attack declared a terror incident, 64 defence sites to be wholly divested. Plus, data released by Dementia Australia today has revealed that the number of Australians living with dementia in 2026 has increased to an estimated 446,5001. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Sharry, come on him. We've got
[0:09] Speaker 2: a lot to do tonight in the man k. Thank
[0:10] Speaker 2: you to Danika for holding the fort last night. I
[0:13] Speaker 2: was on dad duty.
[0:13] Speaker 1: Don't worry. Everyone's cool, everyone's fine. But family does.
[0:16] Speaker 2: Always have to come first tonight on the show, at
[0:19] Speaker 2: least for the first half. I'm not talking about the coalition, okay, Frankly,
[0:22] Speaker 2: I don't care right now. What I do care about
[0:25] Speaker 2: is that there's about to be facial recognition, which is
[0:27] Speaker 2: introduced to one of Australia's favorite stores. I always spend
[0:30] Speaker 2: half my wage there. It's either that or paying off
[0:32] Speaker 2: a house. What's the problem with Bunnings?
[0:34] Speaker 1: What are they about to do?
[0:36] Speaker 2: Also, Oscar piastre getting ready to hopefully do one better
[0:39] Speaker 2: and win the World Formula One title. He has given
[0:43] Speaker 2: a very interesting interview of the Australian newspaper.
[0:45] Speaker 1: I'll give you some of those details in a moment
[0:47] Speaker 1: or two's time.
[0:49] Speaker 2: But first, on Australia Day, people who were attending an
[0:52] Speaker 2: Invasion Day protest in Perth, well, they were fearing for
[0:57] Speaker 2: their lives because of an alleged terrorst attack. Extraordinary details
[1:02] Speaker 2: that only even now are starting to come out. These
[1:07] Speaker 2: details are what we heard on the day of all
[1:10] Speaker 2: of this happening.
[1:12] Speaker 3: An apparent makeshift homemade bomb thrown at the feet of
[1:16] Speaker 3: indigenous leaders speeches were underway. Two thousand people were at
[1:21] Speaker 3: Perth's Forest Place this afternoon when that device was thrown
[1:24] Speaker 3: into the crowd. It didn't detonate. Police were notified and
[1:28] Speaker 3: they spoke with the thirty one year old man who
[1:30] Speaker 3: threw it. Officers now claim he told them it contained explosives,
[1:34] Speaker 3: so they evacuated the area tonight, he's in custody.
[1:38] Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary story. Now the word alleged is going
[1:42] Speaker 2: to be used here because that person who's in custody
[1:44] Speaker 2: has now been charged. But why did the police not
[1:47] Speaker 2: declare this to be what it obviously seemed to be. Well,
[1:54] Speaker 2: the police said at the time. To be an act
[1:56] Speaker 2: of terrorism, it requires one of three things, either political motivation,
[1:59] Speaker 2: really just motivation, or some type of ideology and advancing
[2:02] Speaker 2: that cause. So at this stage it's a hostile act seriously,
[2:08] Speaker 2: and we are investigating whether or not those motivations existed.
[2:11] Speaker 2: Prove terrorism charges well, it won't surprise you, but today. Well,
[2:16] Speaker 2: what always we assume to be the case has now
[2:20] Speaker 2: become the case that this is an alleged terrorist incident.
[2:25] Speaker 2: Why have police done this now not then? Well this
[2:30] Speaker 2: was the explanation in Perth.
[2:31] Speaker 4: Today there is still a significant amount of digital data
[2:35] Speaker 4: and material to assess. However, the JCTT is satisfied that
[2:40] Speaker 4: the threshold has been met for a terrorism offense.
[2:43] Speaker 5: It took nine days for the investigation to establish to
[2:47] Speaker 5: a level of being able to charge this person with
[2:50] Speaker 5: the necessary charges. It's the first time we have charged
[2:54] Speaker 5: someone with engaging in a terrorist act in Western Australia
[2:58] Speaker 5: nine days.
[3:00] Speaker 2: The event was obviously one that was political in nature.
[3:05] Speaker 2: There was a bomb that was allegedly part of all
[3:10] Speaker 2: of this. It's extraordinary that it's taken this long, but
[3:13] Speaker 2: now that it has, the reaction from political.
[3:15] Speaker 1: Leaders is exactly what it should have been. On Australia Day,
[3:20] Speaker 1: I know that there is anger. We have every right
[3:24] Speaker 1: to be angry.
[3:26] Speaker 2: Any attack on our first nation's people is an attack
[3:30] Speaker 2: on all of us.
[3:31] Speaker 6: This was alleged terrorism driven by racism and hatred, hate
[3:36] Speaker 6: that should have been banished to the dark reaches of history.
[3:40] Speaker 6: There is no place for racism or hatred in our nation.
[3:44] Speaker 6: It is an offense against our Australian values.
[3:48] Speaker 2: Now again, it is amazing that the Federal Parliament waits
[3:51] Speaker 2: till today to start talking about this. Now, there was
[3:55] Speaker 2: a recognition of this a little earlier in the week,
[3:59] Speaker 2: when Lydia thought the former Greens now whatever it is
[4:03] Speaker 2: she is so called independent senator, forced the Parliament to
[4:07] Speaker 2: actually deal with this earlier in the week. Now, this
[4:09] Speaker 2: should have been first order of business upon return. But
[4:14] Speaker 2: she made an extraordinary couple of claims in a press conference.
[4:19] Speaker 2: One of them is obviously emotional and politically insinuary. The
[4:23] Speaker 2: other is one that is going to open up a
[4:25] Speaker 2: whole new line of inquiry. That means we're going to
[4:28] Speaker 2: be talking about this on top of the situation of
[4:32] Speaker 2: a person coming in and out of a courtroom.
[4:34] Speaker 1: I'll let her make the claim.
[4:36] Speaker 7: We know that there was an AZO report that said
[4:40] Speaker 7: that the attack an attack was probable the day before
[4:46] Speaker 7: invasion day, the twenty sixth of January.
[4:49] Speaker 1: We knew this.
[4:52] Speaker 7: And there was no alerts.
[4:55] Speaker 1: It's like they wanted it to happen.
[4:58] Speaker 2: Now, of course, the end of that is it's disgraceful,
[5:01] Speaker 2: way too far But let's deal with the start of it.
[5:05] Speaker 2: Is there or was there anything specific to Perth and
[5:09] Speaker 2: invasion Day or invasion day around the country? What is
[5:13] Speaker 2: she talking about when it comes to the AZO file.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Now we know that Australia's terror threat level has been
[5:22] Speaker 2: in a scenario where something could happen and happen at
[5:25] Speaker 2: any time. That threat level is exactly the same as
[5:28] Speaker 2: it was the day before Bondai, as it is the
[5:31] Speaker 2: day and now weeks after Bondai.
[5:33] Speaker 1: Is that what she's talking about?
[5:35] Speaker 2: But if she's talking about anything more specific, why don't
[5:37] Speaker 2: we know about it now? Obviously there could be a
[5:42] Speaker 2: whole series of threats that a certain series of people
[5:45] Speaker 2: are aware of, but they decide it is not serious
[5:48] Speaker 2: or specific enough to go public.
[5:51] Speaker 1: But what does Lydia thought know and what is she
[5:53] Speaker 1: talking about here? Now?
[5:55] Speaker 2: She has the right of parliamentary privilege, which means she
[5:57] Speaker 2: can speak a little more openly than any of us
[5:59] Speaker 2: will be able to and it behoves anyone who is
[6:02] Speaker 2: talking to Lydia Thorpe and obviously will make the inquiries
[6:04] Speaker 2: to the office about is there a specific piece of
[6:06] Speaker 2: paper that she's talking about? Because if there is a
[6:09] Speaker 2: specific piece of paper and there was something specific to
[6:13] Speaker 2: the event, then yes, people should have been pre warned.
[6:16] Speaker 2: Even if it is as sceric and it is a
[6:18] Speaker 2: ninety nine percent chance of coming to nothing, people need
[6:22] Speaker 2: to be aware of the potential threats. And if we
[6:26] Speaker 2: know about the potential threats, be they imminent, probable or possible,
[6:32] Speaker 2: we need to talk about that.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Now.
[6:35] Speaker 2: What is also really important here is that January the
[6:39] Speaker 2: twenty sixth could have been a horrible day in Perth,
[6:44] Speaker 2: but police alleged it also could have been a horrible
[6:46] Speaker 2: day for those that were marking Australia Day on the
[6:50] Speaker 2: Gold Coast. Remember I told you the story of a
[6:53] Speaker 2: person who has now been charged. So we move into
[6:56] Speaker 2: the world of alleged here about plotting fire bombing of
[7:01] Speaker 2: australed Day events on the Gold Coast. The ideology and
[7:06] Speaker 2: the motivation seems to be very different. And again there
[7:09] Speaker 2: is some serious underreporting here that is happening in our media,
[7:13] Speaker 2: not as far as I can see from any sort
[7:15] Speaker 2: of orders which have been given by courts. Now, I
[7:18] Speaker 2: don't want every single potential situation to become headline news
[7:23] Speaker 2: and I don't want to freak people out. But if
[7:26] Speaker 2: we have a scenario like that that has played out
[7:29] Speaker 2: in Perth and potentially as serious on the Gold Coast.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Why are we hearing so little about this? A device
[7:42] Speaker 2: was allegedly thrown in Perth. Why has it taken so
[7:47] Speaker 2: long to declare this to be what we'll see it
[7:50] Speaker 2: to be?
[7:52] Speaker 1: Now?
[7:52] Speaker 2: It is regardless of what any of the events are
[7:57] Speaker 2: that are being targeted, regardless of whether it is First Nations,
[8:02] Speaker 2: multicultural or multi generation Australians, all of it is a
[8:06] Speaker 2: threat to Australia. All of it is a genuine threat
[8:09] Speaker 2: to our social cohesion. All of it is a frightening
[8:11] Speaker 2: insight into just how crazy the absolute fringes of our
[8:17] Speaker 2: society can potentially be. Now, I'd love to go harder
[8:21] Speaker 2: and I'd love to speak with more specific language, but again,
[8:24] Speaker 2: both of the matters are now before the court and
[8:25] Speaker 2: I don't want to be the person who jeopardizes any
[8:28] Speaker 2: sort of judicial process. But away from the judicial process,
[8:32] Speaker 2: there is a political process. There is a national security
[8:34] Speaker 2: process that needs to play out, which is firstly from
[8:38] Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe.
[8:39] Speaker 1: What is she talking about?
[8:40] Speaker 2: And if there is a piece of paper with any
[8:43] Speaker 2: sort of specificity to it, well, then it needs to
[8:45] Speaker 2: start moving to the Lower House and questions need to
[8:48] Speaker 2: start to be asked there.
[8:50] Speaker 8: Now.
[8:50] Speaker 2: I don't believe any of this to be a failure
[8:52] Speaker 2: of the political leadership, and I have maximum faith in
[8:57] Speaker 2: the police and maximum faith in the safety of the
[9:02] Speaker 2: agencies who do keep us safe, who do prevent ninety
[9:06] Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of things taking place. But that
[9:09] Speaker 2: doesn't mean you get a free pass if something has
[9:12] Speaker 2: gone to miss. Here we need to know. Thankfully, nobody
[9:15] Speaker 2: has been injured. Thankfully nobody has lost their lives, but
[9:19] Speaker 2: imagine if they had and there was any sort of
[9:23] Speaker 2: specific warning in and around these events. Australia Day is
[9:28] Speaker 2: one of the most sacred on our calendar. Invasion Day
[9:31] Speaker 2: particularly important to those who would like us to recognize
[9:36] Speaker 2: a different version of history. But either way, this is
[9:39] Speaker 2: a very important day and a day where people should
[9:42] Speaker 2: be able to freely gather, celebrate, protest, party or do
[9:46] Speaker 2: whatever they want in an open and free and supposedly
[9:50] Speaker 2: safe country. As you know, towards the end of last year,
[9:55] Speaker 2: Paul and Hansen was suspended from the Senate after wearing
[9:57] Speaker 2: the burker. She's now back in the Senate. She returned
[10:01] Speaker 2: today and sufficed to say she was excited to be
[10:04] Speaker 2: back in the place where not only she is doing
[10:07] Speaker 2: great work, but many people have now switched their allegiance
[10:11] Speaker 2: to one nation when it comes to the Poles. This
[10:13] Speaker 2: is what Pauline Hansen had to say today upon her
[10:16] Speaker 2: return to the Senate.
[10:20] Speaker 9: Well, I'm back. You can kick me out, you can
[10:23] Speaker 9: dismiss me or try to silence me, but you can't
[10:25] Speaker 9: stop me because Australians know I have their back. Growing
[10:30] Speaker 9: numbers of Australians now have mine.
[10:33] Speaker 1: Body oath they do. She wasn't finished there.
[10:36] Speaker 9: When you try to silence me, you try to silence
[10:39] Speaker 9: millions of Australians who are tired of your cozy two
[10:43] Speaker 9: party system because it doesn't deliver. You put yourselves and
[10:47] Speaker 9: invested interest before the Australians you are supported, you are
[10:50] Speaker 9: supposed to serve. You are not part of the Australian
[10:54] Speaker 9: we know and love, the same Australia you are trying
[10:58] Speaker 9: to destroy with net zero and mass migration.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Now, to give you an idea of where the polls
[11:04] Speaker 2: were when Pauline Hansen was first suspended for the wearing
[11:08] Speaker 2: of the burker in the Parliament, it was still way
[11:11] Speaker 2: up on where they were at the election. Remember, six
[11:12] Speaker 2: percent became eighteen percent after her suspension, perhaps because of
[11:17] Speaker 2: it or an attempt to silence her. It is now,
[11:20] Speaker 2: as you know, at the highest level that has ever
[11:22] Speaker 2: been and climbing twenty six percent. Now Sunday night we
[11:26] Speaker 2: expect to get another news poll and hence up Tuesday
[11:29] Speaker 2: Night is coming Tuesday Night, another version of the Sky
[11:32] Speaker 2: News Pulse, another opinion poll. I have no insight into
[11:35] Speaker 2: it other than the obvious expectation. With the drama that
[11:40] Speaker 2: has been happening in Canberra and the stasis that exists
[11:43] Speaker 2: on one side of Australian politics, my feeling would be
[11:45] Speaker 2: her numbers. You would have to think only get better
[11:48] Speaker 2: from here and that could start as soon as news
[11:50] Speaker 2: poll that it'll be done this weekend reported in the
[11:53] Speaker 2: Australian newspaper on Sunday night and join us nine o'clock
[11:57] Speaker 2: Australian Eastern daylight time, because we'll be the first to
[12:00] Speaker 2: show you what they'll be talking about for the rest
[12:02] Speaker 2: of the next twenty four and probably thirty six hours.
[12:04] Speaker 2: The Sky News Pulse, exclusive to Sky News, put together
[12:07] Speaker 2: with Good People of you Gov. Details at sky news
[12:09] Speaker 2: dot com dot a u as soon as it drops
[12:11] Speaker 2: on Tuesday night here on pal Murray Live Now yesterday
[12:17] Speaker 2: while I was away again, thank you to Anika for
[12:19] Speaker 2: as always doing a wonderful job. Always great to see
[12:21] Speaker 2: her on the Telly. Remember you can see her program
[12:24] Speaker 2: of course Friday and also on Sunday as well. We're
[12:28] Speaker 2: here on Sunday nights as well. Richard Miles, the Defense Minister,
[12:31] Speaker 2: came out and made a surprise announcement. The surprise announcement
[12:35] Speaker 2: was that they're going to flog off potentially billions of
[12:39] Speaker 2: dollars worth of defense properties. Now, they are not doing
[12:44] Speaker 2: this because they want to free up land. They're doing
[12:46] Speaker 2: this because they want to help pay for changes in
[12:49] Speaker 2: the Defense Department. Now, remember, three billion dollars is one
[12:52] Speaker 2: one hundredth of what we have to give the United
[12:55] Speaker 2: States for the subs in what forty years time.
[13:00] Speaker 10: The divestiture of these properties represents the opportunity to return
[13:05] Speaker 10: billions of dollars to the government's perse. Some of this
[13:08] Speaker 10: land is very strategic, and I expect that housing will
[13:13] Speaker 10: be part of the opportunity that is created here.
[13:16] Speaker 2: So this is going to happen, and it's going to
[13:17] Speaker 2: happen because there is a potential pot of gold there.
[13:20] Speaker 2: Now again, it doesn't really touch the sides in terms
[13:22] Speaker 2: of how much money we need to spend on defense,
[13:25] Speaker 2: and it will only be a one off sugar hit.
[13:27] Speaker 2: Some of the places could be as fancy as islands.
[13:32] Speaker 2: Some may well be other defense facilities that the claim
[13:35] Speaker 2: is like a Victoria Barracks in Sydney. They're too expensive
[13:37] Speaker 2: to maintain because the heritage listed et cetera, etc. But
[13:41] Speaker 2: can I just offer a slightly different perspective on what
[13:45] Speaker 2: the motivation or opportunity should be if defense deems that
[13:49] Speaker 2: some of the land that they have to be surplus
[13:51] Speaker 2: to need to not be part of our national security.
[13:56] Speaker 1: And it is yes to.
[13:57] Speaker 2: Do with housing, but there's a particular type of housing
[14:01] Speaker 2: that I think we should talk about here. Maybe rather
[14:04] Speaker 2: than the sugarhead of three billion dollars, which is three
[14:07] Speaker 2: billion dollars less will be borrowing from the rest of
[14:09] Speaker 2: the world, Perhaps there could be a conversation had with
[14:13] Speaker 2: a variety of state governments because there is a massive problem.
[14:18] Speaker 2: Yes with housing, Yes, with places where people want to
[14:22] Speaker 2: buy a place they can rent, but what about what
[14:25] Speaker 2: used to be called public housing. In New South Wales,
[14:28] Speaker 2: there are sixty seven three hundred and sixteen households. Our
[14:33] Speaker 2: households could be one person, or it could be a
[14:35] Speaker 2: family of four that are on a public housing waiting list.
[14:39] Speaker 2: In Victoria, it's fifty six thousand families. Queensland fifty three
[14:45] Speaker 2: thousand families. Now, rather than going for the pot of
[14:49] Speaker 2: gold of three billion dollars, perhaps perhaps some of this
[14:52] Speaker 2: land could be exchanged between the federal and state government
[14:54] Speaker 2: for one dollar. Maybe some of these properties should be
[14:59] Speaker 2: given to build social housing, to make sure that those
[15:03] Speaker 2: that are trying to keep a roof above their head
[15:06] Speaker 2: to stay out of homelessness, for those that are trying
[15:09] Speaker 2: to escape family violence, all of the different reasons why
[15:12] Speaker 2: people need public housing. Perhaps these places could be a
[15:17] Speaker 2: third public housing, a third build to rent. And because
[15:22] Speaker 2: they're in prime locations, perhaps the top few floors of
[15:25] Speaker 2: a unit block could be for sale for premium bidders
[15:29] Speaker 2: because there might be a penthouse at the top. But
[15:32] Speaker 2: if this decision is exclusively about finding revenue for the
[15:36] Speaker 2: sugar hit to make a one off budget look slightly
[15:39] Speaker 2: better than the ten budget deficits we're going to be
[15:43] Speaker 2: having for the next ten years, or the forty that
[15:46] Speaker 2: we are expected to have between now and the twenty sixties.
[15:50] Speaker 2: Then what do you think becomes the actual long term benefit,
[15:54] Speaker 2: the one off twelve month sugar hit, or potentially an
[15:59] Speaker 2: opportunity to lessen those lists Again, sixty seven thousand families
[16:06] Speaker 2: have nowhere to live right now they are waiting to
[16:09] Speaker 2: get into public housing in New South Wales. A similar
[16:13] Speaker 2: but slightly smaller number in Victoria, but again a football
[16:17] Speaker 2: stadium of people needing public housing. In Queensland, the government
[16:22] Speaker 2: has the land, but rather than handing the land over,
[16:26] Speaker 2: they want to sell it to save their own backsides
[16:29] Speaker 2: because they can't run the federal budget. Just me Well,
[16:33] Speaker 2: the priorities are a little skewy. The coronial inquest, which
[16:39] Speaker 2: has been running into the fatal stabbings at Bondo Westfield
[16:43] Speaker 2: last year, has finally come back. It is a harrowing
[16:47] Speaker 2: report and it is largely focused in and around the
[16:51] Speaker 2: mental health and potential mental health failures of the person responsible.
[16:58] Speaker 2: You know on the show we don't talk about the
[16:59] Speaker 2: names of those who perpetrate mass casualty events. Well again,
[17:05] Speaker 2: the findings have been released, and they have been released
[17:08] Speaker 2: today by the News of Wales Coroner. There are thirty
[17:12] Speaker 2: something recommendations. Again, an extremely large number of those have
[17:16] Speaker 2: to do with the individual and with mental health. Here's
[17:20] Speaker 2: our Channel nine cover that off the.
[17:22] Speaker 11: Eight hundred and thirty seven page findings. Twenty three wide
[17:26] Speaker 11: ranging recommendations including improved cooperation between police and paramedics, education
[17:33] Speaker 11: to escape hide tell when there's an active armed defender,
[17:37] Speaker 11: psychiatric guidelines on de prescribing antipsychotics, accommodation for those mentally unwell,
[17:44] Speaker 11: and improving outreach services.
[17:47] Speaker 2: Now, those that are more general is what I want
[17:50] Speaker 2: to focus on here, particularly the escape hide Tell message. Now,
[17:54] Speaker 2: this is one where the police in New South Wales
[17:58] Speaker 2: do actually have, frankly, a poster. They want this put
[18:02] Speaker 2: up in as many public places as possible. Now, God forbid,
[18:05] Speaker 2: we get used to this stuff, but sadly, the reality
[18:08] Speaker 2: of events like those alleged to have taken place in
[18:13] Speaker 2: Perth potentially and again alleged in the Gold Coast in
[18:17] Speaker 2: and around Australia. Day this particular event at the shops
[18:20] Speaker 2: in Bondai, let alone the fatal situation that took place
[18:25] Speaker 2: in Bondi. Is there an expectation now, and there is
[18:28] Speaker 2: an expectation now that you have to see this sign.
[18:30] Speaker 1: A lot more.
[18:31] Speaker 2: If you're somebody who runs any sort of public area
[18:36] Speaker 2: from a scout hall to church to a shopping center,
[18:40] Speaker 2: the Nissobil's Police would like you to download this. You
[18:42] Speaker 2: can do so by simply searching escape hide tel Neissobild's Police.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Download that poster. You can also post it online. The
[18:51] Speaker 2: twentieth recommendation is to get police and ambulance to use
[18:54] Speaker 2: the same radio messages. Now this is about much more
[18:57] Speaker 2: technical language, but essentially that's what it means. And rightly,
[19:01] Speaker 2: it would be crazy to me that that isn't the
[19:03] Speaker 2: case right now, but it was one of the things
[19:05] Speaker 2: that was proven to be a potential failing, and there
[19:08] Speaker 2: might be a change in the way that live reporting
[19:12] Speaker 2: happens in relation to when one of these things takes place.
[19:15] Speaker 2: Put simply, they want us to follow the model that
[19:18] Speaker 2: exists in the UK, which is, yes, you have live coverage,
[19:20] Speaker 2: but you should always think about any and everything you
[19:22] Speaker 2: put to wear as a balance between accurate information but
[19:26] Speaker 2: also information.
[19:27] Speaker 1: That could add to grief or distress.
[19:30] Speaker 2: Now, again, as a person who knows what it's like
[19:32] Speaker 2: to be broadcasting live events, horrible things from around the
[19:36] Speaker 2: world and doing so.
[19:37] Speaker 1: In a live environment.
[19:38] Speaker 2: You know that that's very difficult, and certainly we try
[19:42] Speaker 2: to be way more responsible than anything that happens on
[19:44] Speaker 2: social media. But for obvious reasons, when these events happen,
[19:47] Speaker 2: you want to see what's happening in real time. Now
[19:50] Speaker 2: whether the real time reporting becomes something that adds to
[19:54] Speaker 2: that second level, but certainly always our approach you're at
[19:58] Speaker 2: Sky News mind specifically, is always to try to do
[20:01] Speaker 2: your very best to just lay out the information and
[20:05] Speaker 2: not to ramp things up, which is potentially one of
[20:08] Speaker 2: the things being said here. But the recommendations are off
[20:10] Speaker 2: to the press counsel and also to the communications and
[20:13] Speaker 2: media authority.
[20:14] Speaker 1: Most importantly, the families.
[20:16] Speaker 2: Of those that have been left behind, well, they deserved
[20:18] Speaker 2: this day to see that life's lost have not been
[20:22] Speaker 2: lost in vain, and that systems could be put in
[20:25] Speaker 2: place to prevent similar loss happening into the future.
[20:28] Speaker 12: Jade was my wife and the person I shared life
[20:31] Speaker 12: with for more than two decades. Her absence is left
[20:35] Speaker 12: a vast and permanent space, one that can't be filled,
[20:40] Speaker 12: only carried.
[20:41] Speaker 13: If the shopping center systems were correct and the staff
[20:48] Speaker 13: that worked there, and if they'd have done their job successfully,
[20:53] Speaker 13: my daughter would still be alive today.
[20:56] Speaker 2: Of course, remember one of these Senter security guards was
[20:58] Speaker 2: also killed in that situation. But again, strength and love
[21:01] Speaker 2: to all of the families. The process is incredibly difficult
[21:04] Speaker 2: to go through, but they were all there and we'll
[21:06] Speaker 2: see whether the recommendations are adopted, Old ted you when
[21:10] Speaker 2: we hear more back from the relevant authorities. Now, dementia
[21:15] Speaker 2: is something that too many people have to live with
[21:18] Speaker 2: and at times suffer from. Families of course have to
[21:21] Speaker 2: carry the horrific burden of dementia and it is something
[21:25] Speaker 2: that frightens all of us about potentially what may be
[21:28] Speaker 2: a ticking time bondum or something that may make the
[21:32] Speaker 2: final years of our lives particularly difficult. Well, today I
[21:37] Speaker 2: wanted to pass on a message from Dementia Australia and
[21:40] Speaker 2: it doesn't just tell us about how many people have
[21:43] Speaker 2: it in Australia right now, but how many could have
[21:45] Speaker 2: it over say the next twenty five years. The data
[21:49] Speaker 2: which has been released by Dementia Australia today has revealed
[21:52] Speaker 2: that the number of Australians living with dementia in twenty
[21:55] Speaker 2: twenty six is now four hundred and forty six thousand five.
[22:00] Speaker 1: Hundred and one sorry for the extra zero there.
[22:04] Speaker 2: They figure projected to more than double to over a
[22:06] Speaker 2: million people by twenty sixty five. The data also highlights
[22:10] Speaker 2: the dementia impacts Australians of all ages, with twenty nine
[22:13] Speaker 2: thousand people believed to be living with young onset dementia
[22:17] Speaker 2: a diagnosis of any kind of dementia when your age
[22:19] Speaker 2: between eighteen to sixty five. This figure is projected to
[22:23] Speaker 2: increase to an estimate forty one thousand by the year
[22:27] Speaker 2: twenty fifty four. An additional fifteen hundred children live with
[22:31] Speaker 2: childhood dementia in Australia. To put this in simpler terms,
[22:35] Speaker 2: and this is not to frighten anyone, but it is
[22:38] Speaker 2: to remind us all about how important it is to
[22:40] Speaker 2: keep an eye on our health, to keep an eye
[22:42] Speaker 2: on any precursors, to be able to take care of
[22:46] Speaker 2: those family members who, of course are currently living with
[22:50] Speaker 2: The current number, as I said, in Australia is one
[22:54] Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six one hundred and forty five thousand,
[22:57] Speaker 2: seven hundred people, according to again the breakdown numbers that
[23:00] Speaker 2: exist inside the data documents that were released by Dementia
[23:04] Speaker 2: Australia they expect that to go to two hundred and
[23:07] Speaker 2: fifty two thousand, eight hundred people. Now that is just
[23:10] Speaker 2: in New South Wales, I should say my apologies. Just
[23:13] Speaker 2: in New South Wales one hundred and forty five thousand
[23:15] Speaker 2: up to two hundred and fifty two. In Victoria one
[23:18] Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen thousand goes up to two hundred and
[23:20] Speaker 2: sixteen thousand, eighty eight thousand, two hundred in Queensland within
[23:25] Speaker 2: twenty five ish years one hundred and sixty eight thousand.
[23:31] Speaker 2: I mention this again not to frighten anyone, but obviously
[23:33] Speaker 2: to show our strength and love to everyone who is
[23:36] Speaker 2: dealing with it in the earliest of days or the
[23:39] Speaker 2: darkest of hours, and the families who are with you.
[23:43] Speaker 2: A reminder that there is a thing called the National
[23:45] Speaker 2: Dementia Helpline one eight hundred, one hundred five hundred, one
[23:50] Speaker 2: eight hundred, one hundred five hundred or Dementia dot org
[23:53] Speaker 2: dot au. Now they have a whole bunch of live
[23:55] Speaker 2: chat or text options. The website is twenty four to
[23:58] Speaker 2: seven obviously during the day one hundred and one hundred
[24:02] Speaker 2: five hundred, but agains strength and loved every single person
[24:05] Speaker 2: who is dealing with all of that as we speak now,
[24:09] Speaker 2: I want to get to Victoria and talk about the
[24:12] Speaker 2: donations situation surrounding the Victorian Labor Party and seemingly how donations.
[24:18] Speaker 1: Work in Victoria.
[24:20] Speaker 2: The Australian newspaper had a great story today which was
[24:23] Speaker 2: able to see that donors to the Labor Party got
[24:27] Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty one million dollars worth of contracts
[24:32] Speaker 2: out of the Victorian government. Some of these examples, well, jeez,
[24:37] Speaker 2: what a coincidence some of them may be. Since twenty
[24:40] Speaker 2: twenty two, at least twenty three companies collectively donated sixty
[24:44] Speaker 2: seven thousand, six hundred dollars to the Labor Party were
[24:46] Speaker 2: awarded four hundred and twenty one million dollars in government
[24:50] Speaker 2: contracts across infrastructure, communications, consultancy, professional services over roughly the
[24:55] Speaker 2: same period, so sixty seven in four hundred and twenty one.
[25:01] Speaker 2: Among them is a labor aligned Criswell Advisory, a consultancy
[25:04] Speaker 2: led by Julia Gillard's former chief of staff. They donated
[25:07] Speaker 2: eighteen hundred dollars to the Victorian Labour Party in twenty
[25:10] Speaker 2: twenty two. They got a one hundred and sixty seven
[25:13] Speaker 2: thousand dollar government contract for six months later to run
[25:16] Speaker 2: the selection panel for a chair of a water board.
[25:19] Speaker 2: The Shannon Company, headed by Labour's former chief fundraiser and
[25:23] Speaker 2: chaired by the former Premier Steve Bras, received a one
[25:26] Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars contract for a litter prevention campaign before
[25:31] Speaker 2: making a three thousand, six hundred and forty seven dollars
[25:33] Speaker 2: donation during the life of that agreement. And Sayers Group,
[25:39] Speaker 2: which was founded by a former PwC boss, was awarded
[25:44] Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy one thousand dollars in two thousand
[25:47] Speaker 2: and twenty three, followed by a four and a half
[25:50] Speaker 2: thousand dollars donation a year later. At the time that
[25:54] Speaker 2: was counted among its partners a person called the Tom
[25:57] Speaker 2: who was a former chief of staff to the Treasurer
[26:00] Speaker 2: Tim Pallace, who has since left the business. Now, of course,
[26:03] Speaker 2: none of what I'm suggesting here is corruption. It is
[26:06] Speaker 2: just an insight into how the donations system has very
[26:11] Speaker 2: much worked for certain companies in the state of Victoria. Now,
[26:15] Speaker 2: again unrelated, we have heard from the Corruption Commission in
[26:19] Speaker 2: Victoria about a thing called soft corruption. This is when
[26:22] Speaker 2: a government who's been in for so long that Eventually,
[26:25] Speaker 2: almost every level of the public service has some sort
[26:27] Speaker 2: of political or personal allegiance back to the elected government,
[26:32] Speaker 2: that of course being the Labor Party. Victoria has an
[26:35] Speaker 2: opportunity to sever such ties in November, and of course
[26:39] Speaker 2: I desperately hope that's what takes place. A couple of
[26:44] Speaker 2: things worth getting to before I share some of the
[26:45] Speaker 2: stupid things on social media. And see we've gone a
[26:49] Speaker 2: whole half hour of television without talking about the coalition. Sorry,
[26:51] Speaker 2: I just did. Bill Clinton is all over the Epstein files.
[26:56] Speaker 2: You know about the flights, you know about the stayovers,
[27:00] Speaker 2: know about some of the massages. Well, the United States Parliament,
[27:05] Speaker 2: the Lower House seen here in the Capitol building. Well,
[27:08] Speaker 2: they have been trying to get Bill and Hnilary Clinton
[27:10] Speaker 2: to actually testify who knew what and when, and to
[27:13] Speaker 2: do so publicly, not to do it behind closed doors,
[27:16] Speaker 2: and not to just accept them talking on camera to
[27:19] Speaker 2: one of their lawyers. Now they have previously said they're
[27:23] Speaker 2: not going to do it. They've been told by the
[27:25] Speaker 2: Parliament if you don't, we're going to potentially charge you
[27:28] Speaker 2: and you could end up being jailed like people like
[27:30] Speaker 2: Steve Bannonworth for not complying with an inquiry being held
[27:34] Speaker 2: by the House. Well, we now hear in the past
[27:39] Speaker 2: couple of days that there have been preparations for going
[27:42] Speaker 2: after them for not being willing to testify. So this
[27:47] Speaker 2: week the news is they are going to testify, but
[27:51] Speaker 2: there's an asterisk where it's still as clear as mud.
[27:55] Speaker 14: Bill and Hillary Clinton have agreed to testify in the
[28:00] Speaker 14: House over Say Committee's investigation into the convicted sex offender
[28:03] Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein. That is, according to The New York Times.
[28:07] Speaker 14: For months, the Clintons had been adamant that they would
[28:10] Speaker 14: not comply with subpoenas from Chairman James Comer this evening,
[28:14] Speaker 14: and this came from Chad Program just moments ago. Comer says,
[28:17] Speaker 14: there is no offer from the Clintons. They are merely
[28:21] Speaker 14: trying to set the rules.
[28:24] Speaker 2: So the headline says one thing, that detail says something else.
[28:26] Speaker 2: I'll update that as soon as we know more. Now,
[28:29] Speaker 2: would you like to come to an ourtown?
[28:30] Speaker 1: I know you do.
[28:31] Speaker 2: We love going around the country. This is going to
[28:33] Speaker 2: be another opportunity for us to see people in the
[28:35] Speaker 2: real Australia. And the first location for twenty twenty six
[28:38] Speaker 2: thinks through our very good friends at Harvey Norman is
[28:41] Speaker 2: Bernie in Tasmania if you'd like to join us. We've
[28:43] Speaker 2: got about two hundred seats, so there's plenty of room,
[28:46] Speaker 2: but you've got to get in and get in now
[28:47] Speaker 2: because these will go fast. There of course free tickets.
[28:50] Speaker 2: Just tell us how many you would like you obviously
[28:52] Speaker 2: name your name, both first and last. How many guests
[28:55] Speaker 2: you would like. There is a limit on how many
[28:57] Speaker 2: that you can have at a mobile numbers. Just randomly
[29:00] Speaker 2: say hey, I'd love to come, name details, get in
[29:04] Speaker 2: touch outtown. It's gone news dot com dot are you
[29:06] Speaker 2: obviously not this Sunday, not next Sunday, but the one away,
[29:09] Speaker 2: so a couple of weeks away, but I want to
[29:11] Speaker 2: fill the room right now. Bernie and Tasmania the first
[29:14] Speaker 2: stop on our town for twenty twenty six. We'd break
[29:16] Speaker 2: back with more here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching, well,
[29:23] Speaker 2: thank you so much for watching Thursday. I had always
[29:25] Speaker 2: a great chat with our dear friends Roscadel. Of course,
[29:27] Speaker 2: the senator from you said, well, I.
[29:28] Speaker 1: Was representing the Nats. Are they in? Are they out?
[29:30] Speaker 2: Yes, we'll have to ask a question in a moment
[29:32] Speaker 2: of two time. Joe Hildebrand Good of course represents he's
[29:36] Speaker 2: always here. Now, Ross, don't ask me how in February,
[29:40] Speaker 2: we're finally getting your Christmas gifts, but are very kindly
[29:42] Speaker 2: and I got them today and they passed them on
[29:45] Speaker 2: Joe just but I wanted.
[29:46] Speaker 15: To use fault.
[29:47] Speaker 1: How good is this?
[29:48] Speaker 2: Ross gave us a Cadell's cloud juice catcher? All right,
[29:52] Speaker 2: so if you've ever wanted it, you now.
[29:54] Speaker 1: Have very arm. You're very treasure this, Ally rain Engage.
[29:59] Speaker 1: There you go, joy yourself.
[30:00] Speaker 15: It's fantastic. I can have this while chewing on my
[30:03] Speaker 15: Christmas basis.
[30:06] Speaker 1: All right, now call his office you pay full price.
[30:10] Speaker 2: All right, now, Ross, I've got to ask this time
[30:13] Speaker 2: last week, I'm pretty sure I heard you say that
[30:15] Speaker 2: you understood one of the things potentially of the coalition
[30:18] Speaker 2: getting back together was that yourself and the ministers who
[30:21] Speaker 2: are shadow ministers who decided to vote against the shadow
[30:25] Speaker 2: cabinet but with your party colleagues, were willing to spend
[30:27] Speaker 2: some time on the sidelines. But we now hear that
[30:30] Speaker 2: that's the whole reason why they're not getting back together.
[30:34] Speaker 1: So what's going on here?
[30:36] Speaker 8: I don't know. Look, this is when we get politician ever,
[30:43] Speaker 8: the nets are taking a view that it's.
[30:45] Speaker 16: All of us.
[30:45] Speaker 8: All of us were prepared to cross all of us
[30:48] Speaker 8: in the attire room, every front benches, so that was
[30:50] Speaker 8: clear from the it's one out, all out of our
[30:52] Speaker 8: solidarity brothers, and I just don't think that's liked by
[30:56] Speaker 8: where Susan and the Liverpool leadership is. Everyone is where,
[31:00] Speaker 8: like I said last week, is where we thought we'd be.
[31:02] Speaker 8: We knew the potential consequences of what we were doing,
[31:06] Speaker 8: but equally Susan liberals knew that if we were gone,
[31:09] Speaker 8: we were all gone, because that was a letter that
[31:11] Speaker 8: was put to them. Everyone's made their own decisions. We've
[31:13] Speaker 8: ended up where we are. If there is a way
[31:15] Speaker 8: to get back together, if there's a way to make
[31:17] Speaker 8: this work. But what our party room doesn't want to see.
[31:19] Speaker 8: They don't want to see the three senators that actually
[31:22] Speaker 8: voted wear the price for the whole party when everyone
[31:25] Speaker 8: was prepared to and but for a timing indifference, if
[31:28] Speaker 8: it went to the Lower House a little bit later
[31:30] Speaker 8: than it did, the lower House guys would have crossed it.
[31:33] Speaker 8: Or had there been a single, a single amendment that
[31:37] Speaker 8: got up all the Lower House guys the next Day
[31:39] Speaker 8: would have voted the same way as us. So what
[31:41] Speaker 8: our room is saying is you can't single out the
[31:43] Speaker 8: three guys for a decision of the whole room. It
[31:46] Speaker 8: has to be something done collectively, and we'll see where
[31:49] Speaker 8: that goes. There's been three different deadlines today and when
[31:52] Speaker 8: the decision was going to be made by which you
[31:54] Speaker 8: didn't have to talk about the coalition for the second
[31:55] Speaker 8: half of your program either.
[31:57] Speaker 1: But here we are. Yeah.
[31:58] Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to spend too much from on this
[31:59] Speaker 2: only because again, where it stands and how close or
[32:04] Speaker 2: whether or not my guess. And that's all I can
[32:06] Speaker 2: do right now, because obviously I'm not in any room here.
[32:08] Speaker 2: They're breaking up for at least a year.
[32:10] Speaker 15: What do you Yeah, I just still find it so
[32:13] Speaker 15: staggering to the point of disbelief to watch it reminds
[32:16] Speaker 15: me I said yesterday, it was like, you know the
[32:18] Speaker 15: old cliche of shuffling your deck chairs on the Titanic.
[32:21] Speaker 15: It's actually more like I realized when Wiley Coyote has
[32:24] Speaker 15: a giant boulder hurtling from a cliff onto his head
[32:27] Speaker 15: and he puts up one of those tiny little umbrellas,
[32:30] Speaker 15: like the idea that they're arguing that, certainly arguing over
[32:34] Speaker 15: is it six months out of the shadow cabinet or
[32:36] Speaker 15: is it you know, is it next week? Who cares?
[32:39] Speaker 15: But also it does not matter that you've got an
[32:41] Speaker 15: existential threat hurtling towards you like One Nation and Barnaby
[32:46] Speaker 15: Joyce and you're sitting there arguing over as John Howard said,
[32:51] Speaker 15: this nitpicking over Manusha.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Well again, Ross you you may respond to my observation
[32:55] Speaker 2: if you wish, but or we move on. But my
[32:58] Speaker 2: belief is the example all my criticism. H of course, yeah,
[33:03] Speaker 2: is that again. I understand everyone's got their principle here,
[33:07] Speaker 2: but at some point either principle or pride needs to bend.
[33:12] Speaker 2: Now I get how this works where it feels like,
[33:17] Speaker 2: whatever the resolution, it's not satisfactory to each half of
[33:22] Speaker 2: the negotiation. So why not just say okay, we'll see
[33:25] Speaker 2: you in a year. I mean, it's already played out
[33:28] Speaker 2: on the floor of the Parliament. People can see it
[33:30] Speaker 2: all there. Yes, there'll be alternative shadows and shadow shadows
[33:34] Speaker 2: and shadow spokespersons and all the rest of it, but
[33:36] Speaker 2: effectively it's where everyone is here. Why not just say okay,
[33:40] Speaker 2: we'll see you in twelve months, regardless of whether it's
[33:42] Speaker 2: Susan Lee or anyone else, because we all know what's
[33:45] Speaker 2: happening on Newspoll on Monday.
[33:47] Speaker 1: We know there'll be people in.
[33:48] Speaker 2: The Liberal Party that I want to use that as
[33:49] Speaker 2: the justification for what they wanted to do months ago.
[33:54] Speaker 2: So again, why not just say, okay, cool, let's take
[33:56] Speaker 2: this out of everyone's hands and we'll see you in
[33:58] Speaker 2: a year.
[33:58] Speaker 1: There is no election for twelve months. Yep.
[34:03] Speaker 8: I think you're exactly right. I think it's fast heading
[34:05] Speaker 8: towards that. Let's not pretend someone's weeing on your head
[34:09] Speaker 8: and it's raining. There is more likely do it Greish separation, Yes,
[34:16] Speaker 8: more likely to do a grest separation and how that
[34:17] Speaker 8: works then coming back together quickly. I think that's if
[34:21] Speaker 8: I was a punting man, I'd put it there. I
[34:23] Speaker 8: just think we've just got to get back to what
[34:25] Speaker 8: we do. I'm sick, you're sick and tired of this
[34:27] Speaker 8: going on. We're sick and tired of it's going on. Really,
[34:29] Speaker 8: please that the NAT's got there today and this week
[34:32] Speaker 8: tried to change the excise tax on spirits as well
[34:35] Speaker 8: as beer going through and have a review in the
[34:37] Speaker 8: whole thing. Talking to Matt about getting back on. Matt
[34:39] Speaker 8: Canavan out there really trying to pursue some things on
[34:42] Speaker 8: economic and taxation. We're trying to move forward, but with
[34:45] Speaker 8: this going on, it's just not there. It has to
[34:47] Speaker 8: be settled. It can't go on next week. Three deadlines today.
[34:50] Speaker 8: We'll see if a deadline happens tomorrow or on Sunday.
[34:53] Speaker 8: But one way, get it sorted.
[34:54] Speaker 2: Now, Joe, this, of course all is a great fodder
[34:58] Speaker 2: for many. I did enjoy that you were able to
[35:00] Speaker 2: write a complete fantasy about it. So rather than opinion
[35:04] Speaker 2: or anything going on, you just you just made up
[35:06] Speaker 2: a diary I did. I did Barnaby Joyce on his
[35:08] Speaker 2: way to Prime Ministership. What is the editor say when
[35:12] Speaker 2: that's what you're.
[35:12] Speaker 15: About to the editor's idea?
[35:14] Speaker 4: No, it was.
[35:16] Speaker 15: I often liked it. I often like to just inhabit
[35:18] Speaker 15: the minds I've I've mine read the Prime ministerial dog
[35:22] Speaker 15: Toto and presented some insights from her as well.
[35:26] Speaker 3: But the.
[35:29] Speaker 15: Headline that got me, so I'm the subscribe to the
[35:31] Speaker 15: Daily Telegraph, obviously hard earned and landing in my inbox
[35:35] Speaker 15: was this incredible headline that just said could Barnaby Joyce
[35:39] Speaker 15: be one nation's first PM, and I'm like, praise Jesus,
[35:42] Speaker 15: I hope so, because that would just be the best
[35:44] Speaker 15: fun ever. And that was the headline on the story
[35:46] Speaker 15: as well. It sat down with a big interview with
[35:47] Speaker 15: the Sunday Telly and he did.
[35:49] Speaker 2: Just ever so slightly, like ever so slightly leave the
[35:52] Speaker 2: door of door Baby running again. And to be fair,
[35:56] Speaker 2: if they're going to be running at thirty percent, they're
[35:58] Speaker 2: going to need a pretty big face to be.
[36:00] Speaker 15: Can't be prime Minister from the Senate? Can he?
[36:02] Speaker 16: So?
[36:02] Speaker 1: Again?
[36:02] Speaker 15: So I had to basically get my head around how
[36:05] Speaker 15: that would actually work. How would it work with Pauline
[36:08] Speaker 15: as the leader of the party but Barnaby as the
[36:11] Speaker 15: first prime minister? I mean, wouldn't Pauline have something to
[36:14] Speaker 15: say about that? Maybe? And then how you actually get there,
[36:16] Speaker 15: how you get the seats? And so I was just
[36:18] Speaker 15: having been fun with it. But like some of the
[36:20] Speaker 15: things I put in the diary, So this is a
[36:21] Speaker 15: diary I exhumed from the future after Barnaby had already
[36:25] Speaker 15: made it up.
[36:26] Speaker 1: That's right.
[36:28] Speaker 15: I got this diary in twenty twenty eight, after the
[36:30] Speaker 15: twenty twenty eight federal election, and then sort of.
[36:33] Speaker 1: Rhetoric power prices in twenty twenty eight, that.
[36:35] Speaker 15: Pretty high I had inflation tells you all you need
[36:39] Speaker 15: to know. But one of the things that one of
[36:42] Speaker 15: the dates I had was April the first, twenty twenty
[36:45] Speaker 15: five as the final autumn sitting day, and that that's
[36:50] Speaker 15: when Angus Taylor would roll Susan Lee and.
[36:53] Speaker 1: Lo and behold.
[36:54] Speaker 15: The next day I read in the newspaper that that's
[36:56] Speaker 15: actually the date that they're considering. So if you want
[36:59] Speaker 15: edi prue that this really is fast, is really actually
[37:03] Speaker 15: stranger than fast, stranger than satire, or.
[37:06] Speaker 2: As always a good reason to be subscribed in the
[37:08] Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, and all of the services are available to you. Now,
[37:11] Speaker 2: a couple of things before we get to anything that's
[37:13] Speaker 2: been big news. What about a sneaky little job that's
[37:16] Speaker 2: come through from the airport lobby. Now, of course you
[37:18] Speaker 2: know that many of the airports that we of course
[37:20] Speaker 2: built with taxpayer money, we sold off as a way
[37:23] Speaker 2: of balancing up budgets and getting ever so slight circluses
[37:26] Speaker 2: towards the back end of the Howard Is. Of course,
[37:29] Speaker 2: they were sold off, and previously Macquarie Bank all the
[37:31] Speaker 2: rest of it, Well, the Airport Association has turned around
[37:34] Speaker 2: and said that we should have a passenger tax. Why
[37:37] Speaker 2: will to help fund getting people through border crossings faster? Now,
[37:42] Speaker 2: my simple response to all of this ross is perhaps
[37:46] Speaker 2: they could take some of the money, the millions of
[37:48] Speaker 2: dollars that are made in parking fares by these private
[37:53] Speaker 2: companies that own these airports, and if they want to
[37:55] Speaker 2: improve their facilities, that's how you pay for it. I
[37:58] Speaker 2: don't want to be taxed top of the tax that
[38:01] Speaker 2: I pay well obviously to the government, but then to
[38:03] Speaker 2: the private company for the privilege of going to an airport.
[38:09] Speaker 8: I read the same article and I was amazed. We
[38:11] Speaker 8: are already taxed. I didn't know how much departure tax
[38:14] Speaker 8: or incoming tax was there. But the thing governments that's
[38:17] Speaker 8: was what got me. How they say it's seventy two
[38:18] Speaker 8: seconds normally to get through immigration, except the time you
[38:22] Speaker 8: wait in line and accept anyone that takes more than
[38:24] Speaker 8: three minutes, because we don't count that. That excoose the figures.
[38:28] Speaker 8: What a great way of doing things. That means I
[38:30] Speaker 8: am the best looking man in my bed most nights.
[38:34] Speaker 8: This is this is just an amazing way of doing thing.
[38:38] Speaker 8: But everyone should pay, you know, for all of these
[38:42] Speaker 8: different things, except the business. But if you're going through
[38:45] Speaker 8: and you're already getting tax and the government isn't getting
[38:48] Speaker 8: enough to get you through quicker and increasingly. I was
[38:50] Speaker 8: in Singapore airline Port when taking little Leo, where I
[38:54] Speaker 8: think he was about eight years old, when we were
[38:55] Speaker 8: waiting a loane so long he just took off in
[38:57] Speaker 8: mold the gate. We almost had the airport shut down
[38:59] Speaker 8: because he ran through security. If I don't have to
[39:01] Speaker 8: wait in line, it's a bit better. And if government
[39:03] Speaker 8: wants to give more of the tax to improve their
[39:05] Speaker 8: facilities there, I'm okay. But yeah, if I'm not going
[39:08] Speaker 8: to let billion dollar places tell me they're crying pool.
[39:10] Speaker 1: No, it's very weird. All right.
[39:11] Speaker 2: Bunnings is deciding to go and they've got full approval
[39:13] Speaker 2: healthy facial recognition technology now their claim and this is
[39:17] Speaker 2: reasonable as a justification, which is when somebody comes into
[39:22] Speaker 2: the store steals something, they're able to match up the faces,
[39:26] Speaker 2: or somebody abuses a member of staff, something like that.
[39:28] Speaker 2: But but butt facial recognition when you go to Bunnings, mate,
[39:32] Speaker 2: this is this is a little creepy for.
[39:33] Speaker 15: Me, it's a little bit creepy. It's probably also just
[39:36] Speaker 15: a little bit inevitable. It's going to be happening everywhere.
[39:38] Speaker 15: I mean, we've had the debate about CCTV in the past,
[39:42] Speaker 15: and you know the truth is that this is how
[39:44] Speaker 15: cops catch crooks. And I think that's a good thing.
[39:48] Speaker 15: I think, you know, if you want it, if you're
[39:50] Speaker 15: worried about your privacy or people getting into you, they're
[39:52] Speaker 15: getting into your via your fire like if you want
[39:54] Speaker 15: if you're worried.
[39:55] Speaker 1: You have a tracking device in your that's right.
[39:57] Speaker 15: So if you are worried about your privacy, don't worry
[39:59] Speaker 15: about your to Bunnings. Take this, smash it on a
[40:01] Speaker 15: rock and flush it down the toil.
[40:02] Speaker 2: If it become standard, you know, I don't know whether
[40:05] Speaker 2: the facial recognition at Club X is going to be
[40:07] Speaker 2: something that people will be happy to have.
[40:10] Speaker 1: Everybody knows that I'm there already, all right.
[40:12] Speaker 2: Ross is only laughing at that because he's aware that
[40:14] Speaker 2: Fishwick exists and.
[40:16] Speaker 8: You've just got to duck the chairs when they're thrown
[40:18] Speaker 8: at you.
[40:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, correct, All right, lads, do appreciate it. Thank
[40:21] Speaker 1: you very much.
[40:22] Speaker 2: We'll see you get next week, enjoy your presence. I
[40:24] Speaker 2: certainly have already made my way through the candies. All right,
[40:26] Speaker 2: quick break back with more Oscar Piastree. Well, of course
[40:30] Speaker 2: he is the man who is hopefully going to be
[40:33] Speaker 2: the next Formula one champion representing Australiah's given an interview.
[40:35] Speaker 1: I'll give you some details of that in a second.
[40:37] Speaker 2: And a reminder, Bernie, a couple of weekends time, the
[40:40] Speaker 2: final weekend of February. If you'd like to join us
[40:42] Speaker 2: for our town. It's ourtown, It's goyews dot com. That
[40:44] Speaker 2: are you going to make Colin Flynn joins his next
[40:51] Speaker 2: As you know, I modes sport fan that I am
[40:53] Speaker 2: Supercars back in a couple.
[40:54] Speaker 1: Of weeks really excited.
[40:55] Speaker 2: And then very quickly after that will of course with
[40:57] Speaker 2: the Melbourn Grand Prix the start of a chance for
[41:00] Speaker 2: Rosco Piastri to become the world Formula One champion. We
[41:02] Speaker 2: were very excited when he won the first half of
[41:04] Speaker 2: the year, but got very frustrated as it all started
[41:06] Speaker 2: to fall apart in the second half of the year,
[41:08] Speaker 2: and many of us were frustrated that it may have
[41:10] Speaker 2: been his team McLaren who were scoring him over in
[41:12] Speaker 2: an interview that he has given to the Australian newspaper,
[41:14] Speaker 2: he says, I think you've got a fair shot last year.
[41:17] Speaker 2: I'm expecting to stay exactly the same, that being the
[41:21] Speaker 2: rules where they don't favor one driver over the other,
[41:23] Speaker 2: but they really do favor Orlando. That's definitely not to
[41:26] Speaker 2: say that certain things couldn't have been done better. You're
[41:29] Speaker 2: never going to get every decision right. You're never going
[41:32] Speaker 2: to make every single person happy, he says. And of
[41:36] Speaker 2: course it is a team sport with an individual prize
[41:38] Speaker 2: as well, but I mention all of this because it's
[41:40] Speaker 2: an excuse to talk for me the one I'm going
[41:42] Speaker 2: to talk way more of it this year because it
[41:44] Speaker 2: is a megasport that lots of Australians are into and
[41:46] Speaker 2: particularly excited because our man is there.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Oh Colin, we could have shown footage you've been winning, right.
[41:52] Speaker 2: Colin Flynn is our dear friend who joins us from
[41:54] Speaker 2: the other side of the world to talk about normally
[41:56] Speaker 2: sort of a nice way to end the week. But
[41:58] Speaker 2: part of that we will get too, the nice way
[42:00] Speaker 2: to win the week, but there is a tough story
[42:02] Speaker 2: to get through to get to the nice part of
[42:04] Speaker 2: the story and if this distresses anyone, I apologize, but
[42:09] Speaker 2: let's go through the tough bit first to get to
[42:11] Speaker 2: what is a very impactful move from the Pope.
[42:14] Speaker 16: Mat Yeah, and Paul, great to see you. And what
[42:18] Speaker 16: I love about this show is that you're keeping on
[42:20] Speaker 16: top of what's happening at the Vatican, and as you say,
[42:23] Speaker 16: we normally look at the good and the great things
[42:24] Speaker 16: that have been done here and the impact it has
[42:26] Speaker 16: all over the world. I bring you these stories week
[42:28] Speaker 16: on week, but you know, we have to be real
[42:30] Speaker 16: as well, and we show the good and we showed
[42:32] Speaker 16: the bad too. This is a difficult story, but it
[42:34] Speaker 16: has a positive element of progress in it that we
[42:37] Speaker 16: can learn from in churches all over the world. You know,
[42:40] Speaker 16: much like Australia. My home country of Ireland over the
[42:43] Speaker 16: years has suffered from scandal after scandal breaking sexual abuse
[42:48] Speaker 16: from the Catholic Church. The people who we were meant
[42:50] Speaker 16: to trust the most, looking after the most vulnerable in
[42:53] Speaker 16: many cases were abusing the most vulnerable. And in the
[42:57] Speaker 16: Emerald dial if you look back even to the fifties,
[43:00] Speaker 16: in the sixties we had like a ninety six percent
[43:02] Speaker 16: attendance rate. If you didn't go early to Mass on
[43:05] Speaker 16: a Sunday, you didn't get a seat. And over the
[43:07] Speaker 16: years it has fallen off the cliff for a number
[43:09] Speaker 16: of different reasons, but the scandals were a big part
[43:11] Speaker 16: of that. Two years ago, twenty twenty four, I went
[43:15] Speaker 16: back to Ireland. I interviewed a man called David Ryan.
[43:18] Speaker 16: He was one of the brave people who came forward
[43:20] Speaker 16: and shared their story of sexual abuse, and he did
[43:23] Speaker 16: it in a very honest and raw way. Now you
[43:26] Speaker 16: know how difficult Paul, it is to open up about
[43:29] Speaker 16: a story like this to someone, but particularly as you're
[43:32] Speaker 16: working in the business in front of television cameras, in
[43:34] Speaker 16: front of the nation. He was eleven when he was
[43:38] Speaker 16: abused by a priest in his school and this abuse
[43:41] Speaker 16: lasted for years, right up until the age of seventeen.
[43:44] Speaker 16: He went an RTE, the public broadcaster of Ireland. He
[43:46] Speaker 16: shared his story about what he and his brother Mark
[43:49] Speaker 16: had to go through and the reaction was enormous from
[43:52] Speaker 16: across the country. The National Broadcaster made a documentary about it.
[43:56] Speaker 16: The pressure was being put in the government. They launched
[43:59] Speaker 16: a scoping of inquiry and they found that there were
[44:02] Speaker 16: eight hundred priests, more than eight hundred priests had been
[44:05] Speaker 16: accused of abuse in over three hundred schools. Now here's
[44:09] Speaker 16: the thing, Paul. He kept looking for justice. And I'm
[44:13] Speaker 16: not talking about justice as in just compensation, but as
[44:17] Speaker 16: many victims say.
[44:18] Speaker 10: He wanted to be heard. He wanted to be listened to.
[44:21] Speaker 16: He wanted to feel like the Church was hearing his
[44:24] Speaker 16: story and saying sorry from a genuine place. But he
[44:27] Speaker 16: wasn't getting anywhere from the religious orders who ran the school,
[44:30] Speaker 16: or from the Church in Ireland. So he asked me,
[44:34] Speaker 16: between now and when we made that interview back in
[44:37] Speaker 16: twenty twenty four, Colum, I want to write to the Pope.
[44:40] Speaker 16: And I said, well, you know what, you can imagine
[44:42] Speaker 16: how many letters the Vatican gets. You can imagine how
[44:44] Speaker 16: many people are getting in touch with the Pope, particularly
[44:47] Speaker 16: the new pope, Pope Leo. But he did it, and incredibly, Paul,
[44:51] Speaker 16: a few months passed and he received a personal response
[44:54] Speaker 16: from the Secretary of the Holy Father saying, David, we
[44:58] Speaker 16: want you to come to Rome for private meeting. Now
[45:01] Speaker 16: it's hard to understate just how huge this is here
[45:04] Speaker 16: in Rome, Paul, because the Pope has met with victims before,
[45:08] Speaker 16: but it's always been in a group setting or a
[45:10] Speaker 16: very controlled setting. Usually when he goes to another country,
[45:13] Speaker 16: he'll visit them in the countries he visits. But this
[45:16] Speaker 16: was him inviting him into the Apostolic Palace, the place
[45:19] Speaker 16: where he will normally meet kings, queen's royalty, heads of stage.
[45:23] Speaker 16: That was the importance he was putting on this meeting.
[45:26] Speaker 16: It lasted over an hour and I was standing there
[45:29] Speaker 16: when David walked out of the Vatican.
[45:32] Speaker 17: I'll never forget us, never never forget us, his sincerity,
[45:38] Speaker 17: his empathy. He felt my pain, but he hasn't experienced
[45:43] Speaker 17: my pain, but he knows what pain I have gone
[45:45] Speaker 17: through with my family and just a lovely, lovely man.
[45:52] Speaker 17: What an experience to have. Sorry, wow, man, I'm so
[46:02] Speaker 17: glad I've done it.
[46:04] Speaker 16: It's hard to describe what he was like, Polk, because
[46:06] Speaker 16: I spent the rest of the day with him and
[46:08] Speaker 16: having known him for a few years, and the heaviness
[46:10] Speaker 16: and the darkness that's been on his shoulders understandably because
[46:13] Speaker 16: of what he went through that hasn't been taken away.
[46:16] Speaker 16: But this is certainly a positive step on his journey
[46:19] Speaker 16: towards healing. And you know, again, I'll stress in that
[46:22] Speaker 16: one hour long meeting. They talked about a lot of things,
[46:24] Speaker 16: why some people haven't faced justice, why certain priests haven't
[46:27] Speaker 16: gone to prison. But the thing he kept saying again
[46:29] Speaker 16: and again is that he felt listened to, he felt heard,
[46:32] Speaker 16: and that has made all the difference for him.
[46:35] Speaker 2: Good Man, thank you very much for bringing that to
[46:38] Speaker 2: us and whatever role you played in that meeting and
[46:40] Speaker 2: putting him in the right direction, well good stuff, Well
[46:43] Speaker 2: done mate, Thank you Colin, and strength of love of
[46:45] Speaker 2: course to David and everyone else with that burden. All right,
[46:48] Speaker 2: I reminder about outtown. We're going to be coming to
[46:50] Speaker 2: Bernie in a couple of weeks time. Send me an
[46:52] Speaker 2: email outown. It's gone news dot com dot au and
[46:55] Speaker 2: goodbide a mate in a moment's time.
[46:57] Speaker 1: Here on pull my life. As you know, Sky News
[47:06] Speaker 1: is a family.
[47:07] Speaker 2: Most importantly of the relationship is between us on air
[47:10] Speaker 2: and with you who watch us and have been so
[47:12] Speaker 2: loyal to us for so long. But obviously there's the
[47:15] Speaker 2: family that are the people who work in the building
[47:18] Speaker 2: and provide people like me with the platform to be
[47:22] Speaker 2: able to do what we do each and every night.
[47:25] Speaker 2: And sadly, one of the absolute pillars of this joint
[47:29] Speaker 2: is gone. Keith Cooper was a man who was connected
[47:34] Speaker 2: to audio and loved audio. He worked at Sky News
[47:38] Speaker 2: for many years. He is the reason why I sit
[47:41] Speaker 2: in front of the microphone that I do each and
[47:43] Speaker 2: every night. And he has been such a big part
[47:45] Speaker 2: of what we have done with our town, having musical
[47:49] Speaker 2: acts in that first year and having so much fun
[47:51] Speaker 2: since and why the broadcast is always so amazing. And
[47:55] Speaker 2: he had a service and celebration of his life. I
[47:59] Speaker 2: love you brother in Orange where his wife, Catherine, family
[48:04] Speaker 2: and friends gathered to tell great stories about a great bloke.
[48:08] Speaker 2: And he is just as good as you would imagine
[48:11] Speaker 2: him to be. Our heart broke many times about stories
[48:14] Speaker 2: about him as a man and as a professional, and
[48:20] Speaker 2: he's such a wonderful friend. And again to Catherine, his wife,
[48:24] Speaker 2: to that beautiful smile and lovely laugh, passion and dedication.
[48:30] Speaker 2: Keith was an incredibly talented man, but more importantly was
[48:34] Speaker 2: a very well loved man, and even more importantly was
[48:38] Speaker 2: a man who loved so many. We are forever the
[48:40] Speaker 2: poorer for him not being amongst us.
[48:44] Speaker 1: Love you, Keithy

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