# Paul Murray Live | 27 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 27 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/7692c67b-a920-4f73-b7ff-b49400cf9c72/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Fuel prices to jump as excise relief ends, Australians shielded from shortages by electric vehicle uptake. Plus, Victorian Premier set to face a leadership challenge this week. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. How good is this? What
[0:08] Speaker 1: a day it's been around here? Everyone is so excited.
[0:11] Speaker 1: It's sort of a mix between first day of a
[0:14] Speaker 1: new school year, a brand new car that nobody wants
[0:17] Speaker 1: to muck up the upholstery on, but also the familiar
[0:21] Speaker 1: feeling of what you know, we do and what we
[0:24] Speaker 1: do from the start of every day to the end
[0:26] Speaker 1: of every night, what we have built online. There's a
[0:29] Speaker 1: lot of people behind the scenes to make all of
[0:31] Speaker 1: this stuff happen. And to all of them, well done,
[0:33] Speaker 1: what an incredible job you've done today. And let us
[0:36] Speaker 1: begin the brand new era for News twenty four with
[0:38] Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live exactly where you want it, right here,
[0:41] Speaker 1: each and every night, Sunday through Thursday. All right, again,
[0:44] Speaker 1: nothing really changes in terms of my worldview, apart from
[0:48] Speaker 1: I think I'm now going to be a supporter of
[0:50] Speaker 1: the Labor Party. I think we decided no kidding, kidding blacks,
[0:53] Speaker 1: So let's get to the reality when it comes to
[0:57] Speaker 1: this government. Do not judge them on what they say,
[1:00] Speaker 1: judge them on what they do. Now, the Labor Party
[1:05] Speaker 1: conference came and went over the weekend. I don't care either,
[1:08] Speaker 1: but one thing. I was a message they were trying
[1:10] Speaker 1: to hammer hammer, hammer away at us all weekend long,
[1:15] Speaker 1: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, cost
[1:18] Speaker 1: of living, cost of living. Oh in the prime minister
[1:21] Speaker 1: front and center, before he pats Toto in the morning,
[1:24] Speaker 1: what's he thinking about? That is why our focus remained
[1:29] Speaker 1: squarely on helping with the cost of living. Well, if
[1:33] Speaker 1: you're a regular viewer of the program, you know, here
[1:35] Speaker 1: comes to the sting of the tail, here comes the bite,
[1:37] Speaker 1: here comes the butt. So, despite the fact that all
[1:41] Speaker 1: of that has just been said, guess what is going
[1:43] Speaker 1: to be happening at the end of this week, not
[1:46] Speaker 1: the end of next month, this week, the end of
[1:49] Speaker 1: this week, petrol taxes are going up. So despite the
[1:53] Speaker 1: fact cost of living, cost living, cost of living, we're
[1:55] Speaker 1: doing everything to focus on cost of living, cost living,
[1:57] Speaker 1: cost living, they are increasing petrol taxes within a week
[2:03] Speaker 1: of saying all of that, hoping that no one will
[2:07] Speaker 1: notice that the price of petrol is going to go up.
[2:11] Speaker 1: The whole fifty two cents aleta of every lita of
[2:15] Speaker 1: all types of fuel that you put into your car,
[2:20] Speaker 1: your minimoke, your truck, or even your plane, all of
[2:24] Speaker 1: it fifty two cents per lita. When the Prime Minister
[2:29] Speaker 1: was asked about this, well, of course, blah blah blah
[2:32] Speaker 1: blah blah, anymore feel ex importedly, Well, that's not in
[2:36] Speaker 1: our planning at this point in time. So dare I
[2:40] Speaker 1: say he's changed his position? Now again, Remember when this
[2:46] Speaker 1: government and they're still not great in the polls, but
[2:49] Speaker 1: when they were at the worst point in the polls,
[2:51] Speaker 1: when already interest rates had gone up twice of the
[2:54] Speaker 1: three times this year. Remember it's now fifteen times since
[2:58] Speaker 1: these people took over. All right, don't be blown away
[3:01] Speaker 1: by the spin. Let's keep an eye on the main
[3:04] Speaker 1: game here, right, Life has got materially harder for anyone
[3:08] Speaker 1: trying to pay off a house. It has got materially
[3:10] Speaker 1: harder for anyone who's trying to rent a house because
[3:14] Speaker 1: of this government, the Reserve Bank. Two of the three
[3:17] Speaker 1: interest rates thus far nothing to do with the Iran War. Okay,
[3:21] Speaker 1: Inflation in Australia running hotter and harder and higher than
[3:25] Speaker 1: the United States, the United Kingdom, let alone the one
[3:28] Speaker 1: point five percent interest inflation rate that exists right now
[3:33] Speaker 1: in Japan. And when this government decided, you know what
[3:37] Speaker 1: our cost of living relief is that we're not going
[3:40] Speaker 1: to charge the full fifty two cents. No, we're going
[3:43] Speaker 1: to drop it down, not to zero, but they're only
[3:46] Speaker 1: going to harve it to about twenty five cents per liter.
[3:50] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was greeted by the usual people in
[3:53] Speaker 1: the media as the working class hero that he thinks
[3:57] Speaker 1: that he is. Remember, this is what happened when they
[3:59] Speaker 1: cut the tax that they will put back on Friday.
[4:04] Speaker 2: Relief at last for drivers as petrol prices saw with
[4:08] Speaker 2: the government to have the fuel excise for three months.
[4:11] Speaker 2: Cutting the tax on fuel is now part of a
[4:13] Speaker 2: multi billion dollar plan to help ease the crisis.
[4:16] Speaker 3: The fuel excise will be slashed for three months in half.
[4:21] Speaker 1: Slashed savings relief. Well, the slash has now been stitched up.
[4:26] Speaker 1: The relief has completely disappeared. And of course no one's
[4:30] Speaker 1: going to hold him too account because you know, we
[4:32] Speaker 1: move on to something else.
[4:34] Speaker 4: One nation terrible.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Seriously, well do Prime Minister, no matter how many times
[4:40] Speaker 1: we lose, you keep on winning. And he was talking about, oh,
[4:43] Speaker 1: everyone gets a tax cut. That was five dollars five
[4:47] Speaker 1: dollars a week. The increase in petrol tax. That's happening
[4:52] Speaker 1: this week will be about an extra eight dollars every
[4:56] Speaker 1: time you fill up. So it just disappeared like that.
[5:02] Speaker 1: See what this government has done is essentially they have
[5:05] Speaker 1: somewhere between let's say two and three billion dollars. And
[5:10] Speaker 1: this is the same two and three billion dollars that
[5:12] Speaker 1: they had at the start of their government. That was
[5:14] Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred dollars guaranteed cost of living for all workers. Well,
[5:20] Speaker 1: they got rid of that, and they've slowly but surely
[5:23] Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty here, but then they take it away,
[5:25] Speaker 1: and then they give you two hundred and thirty here,
[5:27] Speaker 1: and then they take it away, and then they give
[5:28] Speaker 1: you one hundred and ten here, and then they take
[5:30] Speaker 1: it away, and then they give you fifty here, slowly
[5:33] Speaker 1: sort of weaning you off the drug while they still
[5:37] Speaker 1: claim full credit as if they are there holding your
[5:39] Speaker 1: hand every time somebody asks for money. Do not judge
[5:44] Speaker 1: them on what they say, on what the media puffs
[5:47] Speaker 1: up on their behalf. Judge them on what they do.
[5:50] Speaker 1: If they're serious about constant and relentless help with cost
[5:54] Speaker 1: of living, they will get rid of the fifty two cents.
[5:57] Speaker 1: A leader, not Harvard, not put it up by another
[6:01] Speaker 1: quarter they will get rid of it. But of course
[6:05] Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to do that, would they. They need
[6:07] Speaker 1: their oh so important millions of dollars to be spent
[6:11] Speaker 1: on social media videos. I've got something special to tell
[6:13] Speaker 1: you about that in a moment or turns time. Now
[6:17] Speaker 1: yet another pole, but relax, I will not bore you
[6:19] Speaker 1: with too much detail on this. But it's a really
[6:21] Speaker 1: interesting one because we remember keep being told the sky's
[6:24] Speaker 1: falling in one nation is over. They're done well. Current
[6:26] Speaker 1: makeup of the Federal Parliament. Okay, you need seventy six
[6:29] Speaker 1: seats to become a government. The Labour Party well and
[6:31] Speaker 1: truly has enough of them with ninety four seats. Coalition
[6:34] Speaker 1: doesn't have nearly enough at forty one seats. One nation
[6:37] Speaker 1: has two seats, one being the defection of Barnaby Joyce,
[6:40] Speaker 1: one being the election in the seat of Pharaoh, the
[6:43] Speaker 1: Greens have one, and others including the Community Independence or
[6:47] Speaker 1: the Tiffany Tels thirteen. Well, today, massive new pole has
[6:54] Speaker 1: shown that the idea that the bubblers burst from one
[6:57] Speaker 1: nation is folly rubbish, not true. In fact, they've even
[7:02] Speaker 1: got so detailed here that even after the supposed collapse
[7:05] Speaker 1: in support for one Nation. They can now start to
[7:07] Speaker 1: tell us what they think would happen if there was
[7:09] Speaker 1: an election happening. Now there isn't one for two years.
[7:12] Speaker 1: These numbers most likely don't end up being the future.
[7:16] Speaker 1: But right now in the inner city's Labor is the
[7:20] Speaker 1: leading party at thirty one percent, followed by the Libs
[7:24] Speaker 1: and Nats. The Greens are ahead of one Nation. This
[7:27] Speaker 1: is in the inner city seats. There are lots of
[7:29] Speaker 1: those around central Sydney, Central Melbourne, central Brisbane. In the
[7:34] Speaker 1: suburbs the old Howard battlers from many many generations ago.
[7:38] Speaker 1: But again the suburban number, Who's number one one Nation
[7:42] Speaker 1: at thirty percent, then followed by Labor, then followed by
[7:46] Speaker 1: the Coalition, then followed by the Greens, then followed by
[7:49] Speaker 1: everyone else. Funnily enough that the tiffany t or number
[7:52] Speaker 1: falls once you start to get into the suburban areas.
[7:54] Speaker 1: That is where the vast majority of seats are in Australia.
[7:57] Speaker 1: So one Nation is leading right now you put it
[7:59] Speaker 1: together with the Nats, it's more with the Libs and Nats.
[8:02] Speaker 1: It's fifty percent of the vote is away from Labour
[8:04] Speaker 1: and the Greens. Right now, meaning big change coming if
[8:08] Speaker 1: there was an election anytime soon. Once you get into
[8:10] Speaker 1: regional and rural areas, one nation up at forty one percent. Now,
[8:14] Speaker 1: of course the Libs don't exist as so the NATS
[8:16] Speaker 1: don't exist in the inner cities, the Libs don't exist
[8:18] Speaker 1: in the regional area. So it's more National Party here
[8:21] Speaker 1: that's at twenty percent, Labor at eighteen percent, Greens at
[8:23] Speaker 1: nine and others at twelve. What does that mean, Well,
[8:27] Speaker 1: it means Labor would go from ninety four seats in
[8:30] Speaker 1: the parliament two sixty eight. They would be many seats
[8:36] Speaker 1: short of the seventy six required to be the government.
[8:40] Speaker 1: The Coalition could get knocked down to just thirteen seats
[8:44] Speaker 1: in the parliament. One Nation could surge from two to
[8:47] Speaker 1: sixty seats in the parliament. Labour would end up losing
[8:52] Speaker 1: specifically twenty six. One Nation would go up by fifty eight,
[8:56] Speaker 1: the Libs would go down by thirty seats. Blimey would
[9:00] Speaker 1: actually gain a couple of seats. Again you can see
[9:04] Speaker 1: the one nation number there and then the other. They
[9:07] Speaker 1: would lose half of those. Now, a couple of those
[9:10] Speaker 1: sort of counted as the country independence. Again, I don't
[9:13] Speaker 1: think these numbers are anything you can take to the bank.
[9:15] Speaker 1: I don't think these are the numbers that are what
[9:17] Speaker 1: is going to be at the election. But for all
[9:20] Speaker 1: of these supposed that the sky is falling in demos
[9:22] Speaker 1: au today puts out the detail, shows you in the city,
[9:25] Speaker 1: in the suburbs, in the regional areas, and tells you
[9:28] Speaker 1: the three different versions of Australia, a story that most
[9:31] Speaker 1: importantly forget how much is one nation? How much is
[9:34] Speaker 1: the coalition? The story, the story, the story, the story.
[9:37] Speaker 1: The story is that the government would lose twenty six seats,
[9:42] Speaker 1: that the government would be eight seats short of a majority.
[9:48] Speaker 1: Now would they be able to get it with the
[9:49] Speaker 1: Greens and the Tiffany Teels. Sure, But if you're taking
[9:52] Speaker 1: that towards an election, it's a very different prospect than
[9:55] Speaker 1: the one that, of course happened just what eighteen months ago.
[9:59] Speaker 1: Speaking of Pauline Hansen, you know what we're doing this
[10:01] Speaker 1: time tomorrow night, and that is Pauline Hanson is going
[10:03] Speaker 1: to be in our studio at the News twenty four headquarters.
[10:07] Speaker 1: She is going to be here answering questions from both
[10:09] Speaker 1: in the studio, from me, but most importantly from around
[10:13] Speaker 1: the country. You know, we've done our pub tests, We've
[10:15] Speaker 1: done or asked me anything will all of this is
[10:17] Speaker 1: turned up to eleven. The country always hangs off what
[10:21] Speaker 1: she has to say, and most importantly, she is talking
[10:24] Speaker 1: to as many of you as we can possibly do
[10:26] Speaker 1: this time. Tomorrow night, I guarantee front row seat for you,
[10:30] Speaker 1: because we'll be making news for quite some time. Pauline Hanson,
[10:34] Speaker 1: please explain nine o'clock tomorrow here wherever you watch News
[10:38] Speaker 1: twenty four now. As you know, I have spent plenty
[10:44] Speaker 1: of time talking about how they love to spend your money,
[10:47] Speaker 1: how frankly they love spending other people's money. But I
[10:49] Speaker 1: specifically have made quite a feature since before the last
[10:53] Speaker 1: election about the crap social media videos which are presented
[10:58] Speaker 1: to us every single day. And I could almost feel
[11:01] Speaker 1: a whole show, just like Reader came with Lefties losing it.
[11:04] Speaker 1: Maybe there's a sub a subgenre, a spin off show
[11:07] Speaker 1: that we can do about while you were working here,
[11:09] Speaker 1: when we could just focus on this stuff, because not
[11:12] Speaker 1: only do I find this stuff patronizing, I also find
[11:16] Speaker 1: this stuff a giant waste of time and money. And
[11:19] Speaker 1: you know, the rubbish social media videos that while you
[11:22] Speaker 1: are working. These people skip around the corridors like they're
[11:26] Speaker 1: trying to become influencers, not legislators.
[11:31] Speaker 2: Do you want you know you're getting another tax cut?
[11:39] Speaker 1: Preparation of the National Club Address project, the screen check,
[11:43] Speaker 1: multiculturalism check.
[11:45] Speaker 3: My most used emoji at the moment is the melty face.
[11:55] Speaker 1: Now again, all of this is so patronizing. It's about
[11:58] Speaker 1: talking to people like that. It's a kid show right,
[12:01] Speaker 1: like it's a play school, like it's romper room, like
[12:03] Speaker 1: it's the Teletuppies. It's such garbage and to me, no
[12:09] Speaker 1: matter it's apparent effectiveness and look obviously lay about a
[12:12] Speaker 1: good game at the last election. It was part of
[12:13] Speaker 1: how they were able to do in the coalition, but
[12:17] Speaker 1: it is just not where a healthy adult democracy should be. Well, thankfully,
[12:22] Speaker 1: a couple of other people have started to notice this trend,
[12:24] Speaker 1: including in the Daily Telegraph over the weekend where they
[12:27] Speaker 1: were looking about just how much money is going to
[12:29] Speaker 1: all of this. Australia's federal politicians are spending millions of
[12:33] Speaker 1: dollars of taxpayers money and countless hours producing social media
[12:36] Speaker 1: videos for TikTok and Instagram that are being watched for
[12:40] Speaker 1: less than three seconds, prompting calls for tighter rules on
[12:43] Speaker 1: public expenditure for online content. I agree, if the political
[12:47] Speaker 1: party want to pay for it, fine, fair enough. But
[12:48] Speaker 1: you don't get to film this during office hours, and
[12:50] Speaker 1: you don't get to film it with a staffer whose
[12:53] Speaker 1: almost exclusive job is to follow you around like you're
[12:55] Speaker 1: a celebrity. The Australia Institutes Democracy and Accountability Program, well,
[13:03] Speaker 1: they've said that the posts need to be labeled to
[13:05] Speaker 1: allow taxpayers to judge if their money is being spent wisely. Good.
[13:08] Speaker 1: Imagine if you had a little message on this paid
[13:10] Speaker 1: for by you, not authorized and spoken, it's not. It
[13:14] Speaker 1: might be authorized by the political candidate, it's not paid
[13:16] Speaker 1: for by the political party. Quote. There is not always
[13:20] Speaker 1: a clear line between self promotion, public engagement, public information,
[13:24] Speaker 1: But when it invokes a tax payer resource like staff,
[13:29] Speaker 1: I hope that the emphasis is on public information and engagement.
[13:32] Speaker 1: So for example, seeing that nonsense of Karakook, a member
[13:36] Speaker 1: for Bonner in Queens, we show her all the time
[13:38] Speaker 1: because she keeps putting this crap out. Ha ha, I've
[13:43] Speaker 1: got a blanky like really Well, tonight's latest examples of
[13:49] Speaker 1: adding to while you're working Yet another example about while
[13:52] Speaker 1: you work hard to pay too much tax to pay
[13:55] Speaker 1: not just for the politicians but for the staffers, and
[13:58] Speaker 1: for the social media videos that they ran down our
[14:00] Speaker 1: throats to treat everyone like a moron. Well, I'm surprisingly
[14:05] Speaker 1: our old mate, the labor senator Charlotte Walker. What she
[14:08] Speaker 1: got for you tonight?
[14:10] Speaker 5: Five things that are worth your money Number one Netflix.
[14:12] Speaker 3: Subscriptions, Greek You're Us and a union membership man.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Andrew Lee who is the Assistant Minister for Productivity. Oh,
[14:26] Speaker 1: he's very creative on the TikTok.
[14:30] Speaker 6: Reading the latest One Nation news is like watching an
[14:33] Speaker 6: episode of the latest epic fantasy drama, except instead of
[14:37] Speaker 6: the House of the Dragon, its House of Grievances. One
[14:40] Speaker 6: Nation has the drama, the claims to power, and you
[14:43] Speaker 6: don't need to look fast to see that voters are hesitant.
[14:48] Speaker 1: Now, he does look like someone who's into dungeons and dragons.
[14:51] Speaker 1: No offense if you're somebody who is. But seriously, again,
[14:53] Speaker 1: this is a person sitting around power, not on the fringe,
[14:55] Speaker 1: not right on the outside. Not some sort of candidate
[14:58] Speaker 1: for local council who's got four fits of bugger or
[15:00] Speaker 1: chance of being elected. This is a person who is
[15:02] Speaker 1: sitting around the table of power in the country. And
[15:06] Speaker 1: this is how they talk to people because of course
[15:09] Speaker 1: if you engage with the issues, well that bores people, right,
[15:14] Speaker 1: So let's just point and say weird, weird, not like us, weird, strange, strange.
[15:21] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the policy is, you just distort it,
[15:23] Speaker 1: you just lie, and we're not done. There's another one
[15:26] Speaker 1: here again. This is I believe, setting a mul holland
[15:30] Speaker 1: serving up another effort on the behalf of the Labor Party.
[15:32] Speaker 1: You pay for.
[15:33] Speaker 4: This, yes, you have vote for me. I can knock
[15:43] Speaker 4: on a screen.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Door millions of dollars, millions of dollars. Anyway, it provides
[15:51] Speaker 1: us with the content and we'll do the looking for
[15:53] Speaker 1: you each and every day. But still just ridiculous, truly crazy.
[15:56] Speaker 7: Right.
[15:56] Speaker 1: A couple of other things I want to get to
[15:57] Speaker 1: before I get to the mess that is happening in
[16:00] Speaker 1: Victoria right now now in Australia, not that long ago,
[16:04] Speaker 1: not last century, this century, this century. This is how
[16:07] Speaker 1: Australia used to sell cars. Two Australians when Holden was
[16:12] Speaker 1: number one.
[16:13] Speaker 8: Thunder a big scary noise made by lightning in the sky.
[16:17] Speaker 8: Thunder yute, a new mean machine made by holding on
[16:20] Speaker 8: the ground with nine in inch jug alloys. That's one
[16:24] Speaker 8: shade tougher than gun metal grain leather bolsted seats made
[16:27] Speaker 8: from only the angry as cows whole. Nike sat nav
[16:31] Speaker 8: with lime traffic alerts and used to get from some
[16:33] Speaker 8: muffet and a chopper and a big badge on the
[16:35] Speaker 8: side that says no, no na na.
[16:39] Speaker 1: Such toxic vascularity. But it was popular. Yes, there was
[16:43] Speaker 1: an era where the louder and the faster it went,
[16:45] Speaker 1: give me my I'll give you my money. We loved it.
[16:49] Speaker 1: That's the way cars were sold. And look, cars are
[16:51] Speaker 1: still sold by that for many people. But also as
[16:53] Speaker 1: a person who's got petrol and cholesterol in my veins,
[16:59] Speaker 1: that's the way I want to get around. But I
[17:00] Speaker 1: get it. EV's incredibly popular. I also will never hide
[17:03] Speaker 1: the truth from you. And the truth is that EV's
[17:05] Speaker 1: threw the roof at the moment. Of course, majority Chinese made,
[17:08] Speaker 1: but who cares whatever, look the other way. One hundred
[17:11] Speaker 1: and three thousand battery electric vehicles have been sold nationally
[17:14] Speaker 1: between January and June this year. That is up compared
[17:19] Speaker 1: to previous years. The battery EV's share of the new
[17:23] Speaker 1: sales market has actually doubled for the same time last year.
[17:26] Speaker 1: It's gone from ten point three to now twenty three
[17:28] Speaker 1: percent of the market. Yeah. But do they do those
[17:32] Speaker 1: ads where they turn around and tell you that the
[17:35] Speaker 1: leather comes from angry cows?
[17:37] Speaker 4: Oh?
[17:37] Speaker 1: I love those ads. I miss them, I really do.
[17:39] Speaker 1: All right, I can't put it off for long enough,
[17:41] Speaker 1: So let's get to it here. Do you sent to
[17:44] Speaker 1: Alan this close to being gone?
[17:48] Speaker 8: Well, all of a sudden, it's become very, very hard
[17:51] Speaker 8: for Premier Allen to keep her job.
[17:53] Speaker 3: She is the most unpopular premier in the country.
[17:57] Speaker 9: One of the most unpopular premiers in Australia is his
[18:00] Speaker 9: street the Center.
[18:00] Speaker 2: Allen informed by colleagues she no longer has the support
[18:04] Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. She is tonight refusing to resign.
[18:08] Speaker 1: And plenty ministers have gone look her in the iron set. Look, Premiere,
[18:11] Speaker 1: you're done. Time to give up, including by the one,
[18:13] Speaker 1: the one who gave the character reference. The character reference
[18:17] Speaker 1: to the people who wanted to stay in the country
[18:18] Speaker 1: despite some of their dodgy legal history. Yeah, she was
[18:20] Speaker 1: one of the ones who knocked on the door today
[18:23] Speaker 1: as you've heard the dissatisfaction level. According to Newspot Today,
[18:26] Speaker 1: it's in the seventies right now. It puts her as
[18:29] Speaker 1: the most unpopular premiere in the history of newspol We
[18:33] Speaker 1: are saying more unpopular than the worst of the Occupedison,
[18:37] Speaker 1: the worst of John Kane. But of course they went
[18:39] Speaker 1: on to name entertainment venue one of the places around
[18:43] Speaker 1: the Tennis Center after John Kaine and our old mate
[18:46] Speaker 1: kk Well and truly in front in terms of how
[18:49] Speaker 1: despised by the electorate. As for the overall electorate right now, well,
[18:54] Speaker 1: the Libs would look like that they're on a way
[18:56] Speaker 1: to a victory and that will come as a result
[18:58] Speaker 1: of one nation, one nation preferences are going to be
[19:01] Speaker 1: a little bit more loyal to the Coalition than coalition
[19:03] Speaker 1: preferences are going to be to one nation. And in
[19:06] Speaker 1: two party preferred terms, what's gone from fifty five to
[19:09] Speaker 1: forty five in favor of Labor is now fifty two
[19:11] Speaker 1: to forty eight in favor of the Coalition. But the
[19:15] Speaker 1: reality is, whoever the premier is, be it today, tomorrow
[19:18] Speaker 1: or the day before the election, there is a lot
[19:20] Speaker 1: of problems in Victoria. David Lindbrigg is a man who
[19:23] Speaker 1: doesn't have a dog in the fight because he's a
[19:24] Speaker 1: libertarian and he wants to continue on with his presence
[19:28] Speaker 1: in the Upper House along with many others to join him.
[19:30] Speaker 1: He's a fellow freedom fighter, and he joins us now
[19:32] Speaker 1: from the great state of Victoria, where you're about to
[19:35] Speaker 1: get a new king or the queen may hold on
[19:38] Speaker 1: for a little longer. What's your thoughts of a potential
[19:41] Speaker 1: change to the premiere of your fine state.
[19:47] Speaker 10: Well, I think Victorians don't really want a new face,
[19:50] Speaker 10: they want a new direction, and I think it's going
[19:52] Speaker 10: to be up to whoever is going to provide that. Now,
[19:56] Speaker 10: the challenge that's happening at the moment is quite interesting
[19:59] Speaker 10: because Jacinta's apparently said, well, if you challenge me, I'm
[20:03] Speaker 10: going to put myself up as a candidate, and under
[20:06] Speaker 10: Labour's rules which were instituted a while ago to protect
[20:09] Speaker 10: against sort of frivolous challenges, that would have to go
[20:12] Speaker 10: to the membership of the Labor Party. And it's my
[20:14] Speaker 10: understanding that under their rules, if that actually happened during
[20:18] Speaker 10: that time where they're having that vote, neither of them
[20:22] Speaker 10: are allowed to be the leader, so they would be
[20:23] Speaker 10: leaderless for a period of time. So it's a fascinating scenario.
[20:27] Speaker 10: I don't know whether she's bluffing or whether she's serious
[20:30] Speaker 10: about this, but you know, she said she's serious, and
[20:33] Speaker 10: she's written a letter and published it to the Labor
[20:35] Speaker 10: Party administration. Ben Carroll's put up his hand and said
[20:39] Speaker 10: that he's going to challenge. So really it comes down
[20:43] Speaker 10: to is this just a bluff by the premiere or
[20:46] Speaker 10: is she actually going to see this out? And if
[20:48] Speaker 10: she sees it out, what's her popularity like? Not amongst
[20:51] Speaker 10: the Victorian people, unfortunately, but amongst the Labor Party membership.
[20:55] Speaker 10: Is a crazy scenario.
[20:56] Speaker 1: Well, correct, right, So look again, I don't know to
[20:58] Speaker 1: bore everyone with too much about the absolute in the
[21:01] Speaker 1: workings of the Labor Party, but there's a process where
[21:04] Speaker 1: she can't just put her hand up and say I
[21:05] Speaker 1: want to be a candidate. There has to be a
[21:07] Speaker 1: series of MPs who would agree for her to even
[21:10] Speaker 1: get on the ballot. So the theory here is that's
[21:12] Speaker 1: not me correcting you. It's mean just explain to you
[21:14] Speaker 1: everyone at home here, right, which is, you know, presumably
[21:17] Speaker 1: even the hardest of hardcore supporters don't want to go
[21:19] Speaker 1: through that bizarre scenario even if they think, you know,
[21:22] Speaker 1: the membership somehow will march and rally behind her. And look,
[21:26] Speaker 1: it should be hard to depose a sitting leader, but
[21:29] Speaker 1: this is a sitting leader who basically got a rails
[21:31] Speaker 1: run into the premiership. Remember nobody saw Andrews leaving. When
[21:35] Speaker 1: he left, there was no prespeculation. He said, I'm out,
[21:38] Speaker 1: she's replacing. He tried to bully into the deputy. Thankfully
[21:41] Speaker 1: that didn't end up happening, so at least there in
[21:43] Speaker 1: the they've got a chance of this fight. But let's
[21:46] Speaker 1: imagine it all does happen where there's going to be
[21:48] Speaker 1: a change. The expectation is Ben Carroll comes out and says, look,
[21:50] Speaker 1: I completely agree, let's have a Royal commission into the
[21:53] Speaker 1: big build labor. Of course, being able to write the
[21:55] Speaker 1: rules would be able to sort of etch them around
[21:59] Speaker 1: to save a little than that. But is that going
[22:02] Speaker 1: to be enough? Is that going to be the circuit breaker?
[22:04] Speaker 1: How long a tour does a new premier have to
[22:06] Speaker 1: go on saying sorry for decisions that he was in
[22:09] Speaker 1: the room for well way back in Andrew's time.
[22:15] Speaker 10: Well, I think he's going to have to do a lot,
[22:17] Speaker 10: and if he becomes the premier and he doesn't have
[22:20] Speaker 10: many much time to do it, like, you know, I'm
[22:22] Speaker 10: not even sure what his profiles like within the community.
[22:25] Speaker 10: And just calling a royal commission, No, that's not enough.
[22:28] Speaker 10: In Victoria, we wake up every morning just about to
[22:32] Speaker 10: the stories of a new fire bombing attack. Every morning.
[22:35] Speaker 10: We see that it's absolutely out of control organized crime
[22:38] Speaker 10: in this state, which is of course connected to what's
[22:40] Speaker 10: happening in the construction sector. People feel that like the
[22:44] Speaker 10: government's lost control of it, which they have, and they
[22:47] Speaker 10: need a plan for getting it back under control. And
[22:49] Speaker 10: I don't see any any public statements by either of
[22:53] Speaker 10: the you know, either the Premier or Miss Carroll about
[22:57] Speaker 10: what they're going to do to fix this. Just announcing
[22:59] Speaker 10: a commission alone, that's too little, too late in my view.
[23:03] Speaker 10: It needs to happen. But there's a lot of other
[23:06] Speaker 10: problems in this state and I think he needs to say, like,
[23:09] Speaker 10: what's he going to do that's different from what they've
[23:11] Speaker 10: been doing so far.
[23:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, your privileged position in the Upper House
[23:15] Speaker 1: is that if the government was mature, they would be
[23:17] Speaker 1: seeking your vote. But obviously they've just gone, Oh, the Greens.
[23:20] Speaker 1: That gives us the number. We'll sort of deal with
[23:21] Speaker 1: David if and when we have to. But that said,
[23:25] Speaker 1: again without breaching confidences, what are these people like to
[23:28] Speaker 1: deal with behind the scenes. Are they people who will
[23:31] Speaker 1: by the time they get to you there's a little
[23:33] Speaker 1: bit of horse trading to be done. Or are they
[23:36] Speaker 1: legitimate when you put something on their desk and you
[23:39] Speaker 1: make the case to them, is a hard core sort
[23:42] Speaker 1: of party? First give us an idea about what it's
[23:45] Speaker 1: like to deal with them, or frankly anyone in the
[23:47] Speaker 1: government when you're from outside of it.
[23:52] Speaker 10: Well, they've actually changed a lot since Dan left. When
[23:56] Speaker 10: Dan was in, you know, he had his favored people
[23:59] Speaker 10: that he out with and everyone else was just totally
[24:01] Speaker 10: frozen out. I will say this, since Premier Allen's come in,
[24:06] Speaker 10: they've been worked very hard to try and sell what
[24:09] Speaker 10: they're doing to the cross bench. You know, not very
[24:11] Speaker 10: often they succeed with me, but sometimes they convince me
[24:14] Speaker 10: of something. But you know, like when I put things
[24:18] Speaker 10: to them, I feel like they listen, but they never
[24:21] Speaker 10: actually act. They're very good at listening and not acting.
[24:25] Speaker 10: So you know, like the relationship has improved a fair
[24:29] Speaker 10: bit as far as you know, the government and the
[24:31] Speaker 10: cross Bench since we've had a new premiere. But you know,
[24:35] Speaker 10: it's I don't feel like they're doing a lot of
[24:38] Speaker 10: things that the cross Bench want. They've got their own agenda.
[24:41] Speaker 10: And I think the other thing here, which is the
[24:43] Speaker 10: real unknown, is that Ben is he's from the wrong faction,
[24:48] Speaker 10: like Labour's all about the factions, right, ye, and he's
[24:51] Speaker 10: from Labor right. I don't know how that's playing out internally,
[24:55] Speaker 10: but like a large proportion of the membership of Labor
[24:58] Speaker 10: probably feels pretty new nervous about the idea of him
[25:01] Speaker 10: becoming premier, I would guess, but maybe they just feel
[25:05] Speaker 10: that they're so desperate and in such a dire situation
[25:07] Speaker 10: that they have to do something. I mean, it's pretty
[25:10] Speaker 10: crazy that, you know, we've gotten to this state now
[25:14] Speaker 10: where the Liberal Party is only even though Labor is
[25:17] Speaker 10: in such a mess, the Liberal Party is only just
[25:20] Speaker 10: squeaking above in polls, and it's comparing to one nation
[25:24] Speaker 10: which basically have no candidates. They're basically an empty chair
[25:27] Speaker 10: at this point and they're still doing really well. So
[25:31] Speaker 10: it's sort of a crazy situation. One nation might pull
[25:34] Speaker 10: their finger out and do a lot of things between
[25:36] Speaker 10: now and the election, So I don't think anyone from
[25:38] Speaker 10: the major parties should feel comfortable with the current situation.
[25:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I can see all the obvious scenarios,
[25:45] Speaker 1: including labor being re elected, all right. I mean, it
[25:47] Speaker 1: is fundamentally a progressive state. It is a state that
[25:50] Speaker 1: has embraced it, regardless of the punishment of which the
[25:53] Speaker 1: government in many ways, frankly a little bit sort of
[25:56] Speaker 1: like some of those blue states, blue cities in America.
[25:59] Speaker 1: What you can voting for this well, because we're not
[26:01] Speaker 1: the other guys, right, but obviously there are lots of
[26:04] Speaker 1: other options, right. We know how dissatisfied people are with
[26:06] Speaker 1: major party politics. We've seen people like the Cannabis people
[26:10] Speaker 1: get a couple of people elected. We know when it
[26:12] Speaker 1: comes to the Greens. Previously there's been transport thing here,
[26:16] Speaker 1: or of course the Hinch Party was sort of in
[26:17] Speaker 1: and out for a little while. I don't know what's
[26:20] Speaker 1: going to happen with Victorian Socialists. I'm not particularly thinking
[26:23] Speaker 1: they're going to sweep the joint, but could they end
[26:25] Speaker 1: up shoving somebody in as a result of these preferences maybe?
[26:29] Speaker 1: So give me the libertarian pitch for how you stand
[26:33] Speaker 1: out in the reorganization of Victorian politics, regardless of who
[26:37] Speaker 1: ends up as the government, be it majority or minority,
[26:40] Speaker 1: and your role you can play in the Upper House,
[26:42] Speaker 1: which inevitably will shift in its balance regardless of who wins. Well.
[26:49] Speaker 10: My pitch to the Victorian people is, look at our
[26:51] Speaker 10: track record. We've been elected in Victoria since twenty eighteen.
[26:55] Speaker 10: We've never voted for an increase in taxes. We've got
[26:58] Speaker 10: inquiries up into nuclear energy. We put up private members
[27:01] Speaker 10: bill to try and legalize nuclear energy. We're largely responsible
[27:04] Speaker 10: for keeping a serial killer in prison. We've changed the
[27:07] Speaker 10: conversation about organized crime and the incentives.
[27:10] Speaker 1: I think that we've done.
[27:11] Speaker 10: A lot to you know, raise issues in Victoria and
[27:16] Speaker 10: raise things that are good for the future of Victoria.
[27:19] Speaker 10: I think with the other parties, like I mean, you know,
[27:22] Speaker 10: there's new entrants like one Nation, they've actually been elected
[27:25] Speaker 10: since twenty twenty two in Victoria. And we've also got
[27:29] Speaker 10: the Greens. Look, I think the Greens have actually been
[27:32] Speaker 10: having a lot of trouble getting attention on things. They've
[27:36] Speaker 10: desperately been trying to switch issues and trying to get
[27:39] Speaker 10: social media attention, which hasn't been working.
[27:42] Speaker 1: Actually, the Liberal Party are doing.
[27:43] Speaker 7: A lot better than they are in my opinion at
[27:45] Speaker 7: the moment.
[27:46] Speaker 1: So it really is a really unusual situation.
[27:49] Speaker 10: At the moment, I feel that the Libertarians have a
[27:53] Speaker 10: very good grounding in our philosophy, so that we're sort
[27:56] Speaker 10: of dependable to you know, you know how we're going
[27:58] Speaker 10: to vote on things, or you've at least got a
[28:00] Speaker 10: fairly good idea.
[28:01] Speaker 7: Some of the other parties maybe.
[28:02] Speaker 1: Not so much.
[28:03] Speaker 10: But you know, ultimately it's up to the Victorian people
[28:06] Speaker 10: whether they appreciate that or not.
[28:09] Speaker 1: And I'm in their hands, I guess, look I well
[28:11] Speaker 1: and truly hope that they do. And again, you know,
[28:13] Speaker 1: from my perspective as a person who's been able to
[28:15] Speaker 1: talk to you for a long time through your service.
[28:18] Speaker 1: Most importantly, when others want to look the other way,
[28:20] Speaker 1: you're the first one to go and grab the dolphin
[28:22] Speaker 1: torch and try to get the light in there, which
[28:24] Speaker 1: is really important when you know, we've seen literally the
[28:27] Speaker 1: former Corruption Commission boss, the former ombudsman talk about how
[28:31] Speaker 1: difficult this system is, and I think it's really important
[28:33] Speaker 1: that somebody continues to be as well informed aware of
[28:36] Speaker 1: the institutional knowledge and as fearless as you, so all
[28:39] Speaker 1: the best. David will talk many times between now and then. Mate.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Thank you. There is David Lindbrick. Of course he's running
[28:44] Speaker 1: for the Libertarians in the Victorian election. Go and find
[28:48] Speaker 1: him on all the socials. Pretty good social media. Follow
[28:50] Speaker 1: us well, quick break back with more. You have more
[28:52] Speaker 1: problems when it comes to the roll out of renewaballs
[28:54] Speaker 1: to people who we know agree on everything. We'll join
[28:57] Speaker 1: us next to discuss. Thanks for watching us the first
[29:00] Speaker 1: night of Paul Murray live here on News twenty four.
[29:02] Speaker 1: A familiar face. That's been a little juge. D Glad
[29:06] Speaker 1: you're joining us. Thank you so much for joining us
[29:14] Speaker 1: wherever you are around the country. Maybe you can always
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[29:25] Speaker 1: is on the website at News twenty four dot com
[29:27] Speaker 1: dot Au. With us right now our National Party leader
[29:29] Speaker 1: Matt Canavern. Nice to see him after a little time away,
[29:32] Speaker 1: but glad to see him mate there in the house
[29:34] Speaker 1: and he had lots of things to do to darget
[29:36] Speaker 1: to that in a second. The great Nicholas Reese, who's,
[29:37] Speaker 1: of course the Lord Mayor of Melbourne, who I noticed
[29:40] Speaker 1: on the news in Melbourne last night a little critical
[29:42] Speaker 1: of Jacinta Allen. Give me a little push on the
[29:44] Speaker 1: way out, mate. We'll discuss that all in a moment
[29:47] Speaker 1: or two time. So Matt, tell me about the Grassmere
[29:50] Speaker 1: Energy Policy Forum. It was there today where you were
[29:53] Speaker 1: talking again about the on the ground implications of what
[29:56] Speaker 1: is supposedly the only way to go. Yeah.
[30:01] Speaker 9: Look, it was great to join Angus Taylor here in
[30:04] Speaker 9: Central queens and at the grace Miss Sallyards, some of
[30:07] Speaker 9: the best sale yards.
[30:08] Speaker 7: In the world really and yeah we weren't.
[30:12] Speaker 9: There talking cattle though, just talking this major issue that's
[30:17] Speaker 9: hit Central Queens Lay in the recent years, which is
[30:19] Speaker 9: just wind and wind and solar and battery projects earmarked everywhere,
[30:25] Speaker 9: disrupting people's lives. We had four hundred people turn up tonight,
[30:29] Speaker 9: heard some harrowing personal stories from people like Cedric and
[30:32] Speaker 9: Therese Creed have had their farm, their farming community is
[30:37] Speaker 9: split into two from a massive solar project. We had
[30:40] Speaker 9: someone Fiona drive seven hours to come along to the
[30:43] Speaker 9: forum tonight.
[30:45] Speaker 7: Hosted by Carl Stepanovitch. She drove seven.
[30:48] Speaker 9: Hours to tell her story about wind dividing her community
[30:53] Speaker 9: at gen Dowie, a beautiful community and the Darling Downs.
[30:57] Speaker 7: It's just a story repeated everywhere.
[30:58] Speaker 9: We just need to get this message out more and
[31:00] Speaker 9: more Australians that this current approach on energy policy is
[31:04] Speaker 9: not working. It's not working for them because your power
[31:06] Speaker 9: prices are going through the roof. It's not working for
[31:08] Speaker 9: our economy because we're losing industry hand over fist, and
[31:11] Speaker 9: it's killing and crushing the hopes and dreams of rural
[31:15] Speaker 9: communities too. So none of it's really working. And yet
[31:18] Speaker 9: this government just has its head in the sand. It's
[31:20] Speaker 9: saying let's just continue on a failed, failed energy policy process.
[31:25] Speaker 9: We need to change and that's why Angus and I
[31:27] Speaker 9: were there tonight saying we're going to scrap net zero,
[31:29] Speaker 9: going to get rid of these ridiculous subsidies going to
[31:31] Speaker 9: some of the largest companies in the world, often international
[31:33] Speaker 9: companies for a start, and let's focus again on using
[31:36] Speaker 9: our own resources, use.
[31:38] Speaker 7: All our coal, oil, our gas, they're renewables.
[31:40] Speaker 9: Where it's appropriate to do so, but not everywhere and
[31:44] Speaker 9: do that to lower power prices for all Australians.
[31:46] Speaker 1: Nick, can we have a different version of this debate,
[31:48] Speaker 1: which is I want to talk about implementation, all right.
[31:50] Speaker 1: I know where you're coming from. I know where MAT's
[31:52] Speaker 1: coming from. I also know when we're in Armada last night,
[31:56] Speaker 1: there's a bloke who's looking me in the eye. He's
[31:58] Speaker 1: got glassy eyes, and he's talking about magnificant land value
[32:01] Speaker 1: changes that have happened on a multi generational farm that
[32:05] Speaker 1: he's got because of this stuff that's happening around Right,
[32:08] Speaker 1: real money, real consequences.
[32:10] Speaker 4: Right.
[32:12] Speaker 1: Obviously you're an advocate for let's keep ramping it up,
[32:15] Speaker 1: but how the hell do we implement this differently that
[32:18] Speaker 1: we don't get a scenario. We're not four hundred weirdos.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Four hundred citizens turn up on a Monday because what
[32:25] Speaker 1: is happening to where they live is a disgrace. Yeah.
[32:30] Speaker 3: I don't dare for a second that the story Matt
[32:34] Speaker 3: is telling about people who turned up and the challenges
[32:36] Speaker 3: they're facing is absolutely real.
[32:39] Speaker 11: And I know you were there.
[32:40] Speaker 3: At sale Yards for this event, Matt, but I hope
[32:44] Speaker 3: you weren't giving people hogwash on this topic. I hope
[32:47] Speaker 3: you were telling the truth to people, and the truth
[32:50] Speaker 3: is we can't go back to the cold Age. We
[32:53] Speaker 3: need to keep moving forward. That doesn't mean there aren't
[32:56] Speaker 3: significant challenges here, and yes, when it.
[32:58] Speaker 11: Comes to people who are having their property.
[33:01] Speaker 3: Values or what they can get out of their property
[33:04] Speaker 3: affected in some way, they need to be properly compensated.
[33:07] Speaker 11: In fact, more than compensated.
[33:09] Speaker 3: They need to do well out of the disruption that
[33:12] Speaker 3: they're facing.
[33:14] Speaker 11: But we can't go backwards. We need to keep going forward.
[33:18] Speaker 3: And what we're seeing in Australia, particularly around solar and
[33:21] Speaker 3: the installation of rooftop solar, is absolutely remarkable, Paul. We've
[33:25] Speaker 3: got the highest level of rooftop solar of any country
[33:28] Speaker 3: in the world, is close to forty percent of Australian household.
[33:32] Speaker 11: And think that's what we're talking about.
[33:34] Speaker 1: I don't hate that, Matt doesn't hate that. But what
[33:36] Speaker 1: I do hate is the people turned up again They've
[33:39] Speaker 1: driven seven hours to tell their story. But again another
[33:43] Speaker 1: thing here too, Matt, again trying to have a different
[33:46] Speaker 1: version of this conversation, is I was thinking about it
[33:49] Speaker 1: when I was there in Amadah last night. Again, thank
[33:51] Speaker 1: you to everyone who came along. It was an awesome
[33:52] Speaker 1: night at the World is Dog. It was fantastic joint,
[33:54] Speaker 1: great venue by the way, lovely people was trying to
[33:58] Speaker 1: work out and one of the frustrations they have is
[33:59] Speaker 1: that when they try to communicate with these companies, they
[34:02] Speaker 1: just get nothing right. There's this sort of you know,
[34:04] Speaker 1: somebody rolls through with the clipboard once and then sort
[34:07] Speaker 1: of doesn't communicate any further. It doesn't feel like the
[34:11] Speaker 1: industry has a central place or some sort of place
[34:13] Speaker 1: where you can take your grievance about the transition if
[34:19] Speaker 1: it is definitely rolling through a particular area, about how
[34:24] Speaker 1: you don't go backwards so they can go forwards. How
[34:27] Speaker 1: much is that part of the problem too, Is that
[34:30] Speaker 1: for what of a bit of term that now Big Win,
[34:32] Speaker 1: Big Solar doesn't care and doesn't actually talk to these people.
[34:37] Speaker 9: Look, it's a huge part of the problem, but it's
[34:40] Speaker 9: not the only problem. Quite often the company's involved, and
[34:44] Speaker 9: as I said, they're often international investors involved here are
[34:48] Speaker 9: not here for the long term. They seek to try
[34:51] Speaker 9: and get a project up and running. Possibly if they're lucky,
[34:54] Speaker 9: you get some cool, hard taxpayer cash to back them,
[34:57] Speaker 9: and they flip it.
[34:58] Speaker 7: They flip the project ones.
[35:00] Speaker 9: It's all done to a large energy company, a company
[35:04] Speaker 9: connected to maybe a big industrial facility that wants to
[35:08] Speaker 9: serve Sprink its green credentials, and they walk away and
[35:11] Speaker 9: you don't have that long term commitment. The other problem
[35:14] Speaker 9: here is that the projects themselves don't really deliver any
[35:17] Speaker 9: benefits locally anyway.
[35:19] Speaker 7: Most other large.
[35:20] Speaker 9: Projects, mining projects, manufacturing projects deliver long term jobs. These
[35:25] Speaker 9: projects don't do that, not any serious way. There's a
[35:28] Speaker 9: handful of jobs left over after construction. During construction, most
[35:32] Speaker 9: of the workers come from out of town anyway and
[35:34] Speaker 9: live in camps, and so there's just not that local
[35:36] Speaker 9: buy and that's a major problem. But coming back to
[35:40] Speaker 9: the broader problem here is next said, Look, we've got
[35:42] Speaker 9: all this renewable on our roofs, and that's fine, that's great,
[35:45] Speaker 9: but they're not working right now, Nick, it's nighttime.
[35:48] Speaker 7: We've got too much of that stuff.
[35:49] Speaker 9: We need a balance, We need a balance in our
[35:52] Speaker 9: energy system. We don't have that balance under this government's
[35:55] Speaker 9: energy policy. That's why you're paying through the roof for
[35:58] Speaker 9: power prices, why we're losing industrial competitors. It's why we
[36:02] Speaker 9: should get back to just being balanced. I'm not against
[36:05] Speaker 9: all renewables. Sure on people's roofs five some other areas
[36:08] Speaker 9: where we're going to have renewables, but we just can't
[36:11] Speaker 9: rely on it solely. And you can see that right
[36:13] Speaker 9: around the world. Everywhere it's tried it has failed. It's
[36:16] Speaker 9: failing here as well. Let's get back to common sense
[36:18] Speaker 9: and balance.
[36:19] Speaker 1: Well, I think it's wa I'll correct it tomorrow for
[36:21] Speaker 1: a double check. But they're doubling down on a brand
[36:24] Speaker 1: new gas as the therbing technology, So again that's a
[36:28] Speaker 1: labor government. So we'll see plenty more on that. And
[36:30] Speaker 1: we could spend all night. But there's a couple of
[36:32] Speaker 1: the things I want to get to. A little story
[36:34] Speaker 1: that was around towards the end of last week and
[36:35] Speaker 1: I thought was going to build, which is why I
[36:37] Speaker 1: didn't touch it a couple of days ago, and I
[36:38] Speaker 1: thought it was going to build over the weekend. It didn't.
[36:41] Speaker 1: It sort of came and went quickly, but its consequences
[36:44] Speaker 1: matter of course. Fair Work Australia is the organization that's
[36:47] Speaker 1: there to settle significant industrial disputes. Okay, created by the
[36:52] Speaker 1: Labor Party, and of course as it is created by
[36:54] Speaker 1: the Labor Party. It is staffed heavily by people who
[36:58] Speaker 1: are on the union side of the equation. Yes, when
[37:02] Speaker 1: the government's changed, there's an ability to change the makeup.
[37:05] Speaker 1: But they want to create a new thing called the
[37:07] Speaker 1: Fair Work Court, where again somebody would be able to
[37:09] Speaker 1: adjudicate on other disputes that exist, including pay disputes between
[37:14] Speaker 1: workers and employers. Now, Nicholas, I am always going to
[37:19] Speaker 1: be on the side of the worker. I also don't
[37:21] Speaker 1: want the boss to get flushed down the toilet. But
[37:24] Speaker 1: when you put a new body together, is it not
[37:26] Speaker 1: behoven on the government to say that because currently zero positions,
[37:32] Speaker 1: there's going to be one hundred percent of positions that
[37:34] Speaker 1: will be chosen by the political arm of the union movement,
[37:38] Speaker 1: meaning that this is not a fair and equal umpire.
[37:42] Speaker 1: It just ends up being a club for one side
[37:46] Speaker 1: of the industrial dispute of Australia.
[37:49] Speaker 3: Well, well, I certainly don't hope that happens. Oh well,
[37:52] Speaker 3: I certainly don't want to see that happen. I've actually
[37:55] Speaker 3: got a lot of hope for this new body. And look,
[37:57] Speaker 3: I say that as someone and I started my career
[37:59] Speaker 3: as a lawyer. I used to work as an industrial
[38:01] Speaker 3: relations let representing people in underpayment claims, unfair dismissial claims,
[38:06] Speaker 3: all sorts of industrial type disputation. And we used to
[38:10] Speaker 3: have an Industrial Relations Court in Australia and then the
[38:12] Speaker 3: Howard government moved that, abolished it and moved it into
[38:15] Speaker 3: the Federal Court. And I've got to say the Federal
[38:18] Speaker 3: Court is more costly, more litigious than the old body
[38:21] Speaker 3: used to be.
[38:22] Speaker 11: So basically we're.
[38:22] Speaker 3: Just bringing back what's what was once known as the
[38:25] Speaker 3: Industrial Relations Court Australia. It's now going to be called
[38:27] Speaker 3: the Fair Work Court. And if it's done right, and
[38:30] Speaker 3: I emphasize it, if it's done right, I think it
[38:32] Speaker 3: could be a win win for employers and employees. Why
[38:35] Speaker 3: because of cut red tape, cut costs, get decisions made
[38:38] Speaker 3: more quickly. It won't be too legalistic, sort of common
[38:41] Speaker 3: sense focused.
[38:43] Speaker 11: And that's good for employers and it's good for employees
[38:45] Speaker 11: as well.
[38:45] Speaker 1: And look and again on all of that stuff, no
[38:48] Speaker 1: one's going to disagree. But Matt, when the legislation gets presented, right,
[38:51] Speaker 1: is there an opportunity for the opposite because we know
[38:53] Speaker 1: what the wedge is here? Right if you vote against it,
[38:56] Speaker 1: because you know they're going to stack one hundred percent
[38:58] Speaker 1: of it, right. Oh, they're voting on the sides where
[39:00] Speaker 1: they hate work. You know, all of that rubbish, Right,
[39:02] Speaker 1: But is there the possibility when the legislation is presented
[39:07] Speaker 1: to try to find some sort of a fixed to
[39:11] Speaker 1: the system, to say that there has to be some
[39:13] Speaker 1: level of balance about its makeup for the first two
[39:16] Speaker 1: years when it is being built from the ground up.
[39:19] Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just a labor stackfest, isn't it.
[39:23] Speaker 9: Look, I'm sure we'll seek to do things like that, Paul,
[39:27] Speaker 9: seek to have a problem Senate inquiry, I'm sure, and
[39:30] Speaker 9: put forward some sensible amendments. The problem we've got at
[39:32] Speaker 9: the moment is the Senate is a bit of a
[39:34] Speaker 9: rubber stamp because the Labor Party is ineffectively a coalition
[39:38] Speaker 9: with the Grains. They worked on that coalition last time
[39:41] Speaker 9: we met to massively jack up taxes, and they're likely
[39:43] Speaker 9: here to add massive amounts of union back to red taper.
[39:48] Speaker 7: Look, I just I.
[39:49] Speaker 9: Mean, I hear what Nick said, and there's a little
[39:51] Speaker 9: bit of common sense to it, But I don't know.
[39:53] Speaker 9: This just didn't seem to be anybody out there calling
[39:56] Speaker 9: for this has come out of the blue. It's a
[39:58] Speaker 9: bit sounds like a bit the primacy need to have announcement,
[40:00] Speaker 9: so he announced this, But you know.
[40:02] Speaker 7: Where was the issue here?
[40:04] Speaker 9: We've got a lot of other issues in our country
[40:06] Speaker 9: right now and I think the government should instead be
[40:09] Speaker 9: focusing on fixing up the migration numbers and system which
[40:12] Speaker 9: is out of control, fixing up those energy issues I
[40:14] Speaker 9: mentioned earlier. Dealing with the cost of living is connected
[40:17] Speaker 9: with those energy pulse issues.
[40:19] Speaker 7: I just I don't know.
[40:20] Speaker 9: This seems like announcing something for the sake of announcing something.
[40:24] Speaker 9: It's not necessarily really targeted at the issues major issues
[40:28] Speaker 9: facing Australians.
[40:29] Speaker 1: All right, last one here and make it quick for
[40:31] Speaker 1: me because we've got to get to the UK in
[40:32] Speaker 1: the moment, because there's always lots of news happening there.
[40:34] Speaker 1: But Nick, how can I just let this occasion pass?
[40:36] Speaker 1: One of the great tourist tourist attractions is returning after
[40:40] Speaker 1: a long break. The Melbourne Star up and running the
[40:44] Speaker 1: giant ferris wheel. People can get in there. Will you
[40:46] Speaker 1: be the one pressing go? Do you cut a ribbon?
[40:48] Speaker 1: What happens on Thursday? Look?
[40:50] Speaker 11: I just might be Paul.
[40:52] Speaker 3: This is a really big deal in Melbourne, a really
[40:56] Speaker 3: big deal. Of course he closed during OVID, so it's
[41:00] Speaker 3: been shut for five years. And actually when I first
[41:04] Speaker 3: ran for Lord Mayor, I said I was going to
[41:05] Speaker 3: get the wheel turning again, and plenty of people poop
[41:08] Speaker 3: pooed me and said it would never happen. We'll get
[41:09] Speaker 3: quit next week the wheel is going to start worth Gowen.
[41:13] Speaker 3: I light up the wheel ahead of it turning again
[41:15] Speaker 3: and it's a great day for Melbourne and the symbolism
[41:18] Speaker 3: of having that wheel spinning again, it's pretty important for us.
[41:21] Speaker 1: Kiddy, I'm with you. Congratulations.
[41:24] Speaker 7: I can't work out wouldn't you have been socially distanced
[41:26] Speaker 7: in the.
[41:27] Speaker 1: In the little bubles. It's a very good look. It's
[41:31] Speaker 1: apt of utopia or something.
[41:35] Speaker 11: But there's a mechanical issue.
[41:37] Speaker 1: But also but also my issue too, of all the
[41:39] Speaker 1: stuff that was shut down by the authorities during COVID.
[41:43] Speaker 1: Remember the Australia Day Parade, if you can bring that
[41:45] Speaker 1: back as well, because I had to go for COVID,
[41:47] Speaker 1: didn't it. Yeah, I didn't.
[41:49] Speaker 11: I'm a supporter of the Australia.
[41:50] Speaker 1: I know you are now all right, I'm going to go.
[41:53] Speaker 1: Thank you guys. I do appreciate it, Thank you very much.
[41:55] Speaker 1: Mark Dolan joins us next from the United Kingdom, also
[41:57] Speaker 1: talk about including She's back, Megan's on Telly on mastershif
[42:04] Speaker 1: again why we'll discuss it in a second. He also
[42:08] Speaker 1: had a chance to meet Paul and Hanson. Thank you
[42:15] Speaker 1: so much. Watching wherever We're happy to be for Mark Doland,
[42:18] Speaker 1: of course it's talked to V normally, but of course
[42:19] Speaker 1: that is in London, in the UK where he joins us.
[42:22] Speaker 1: Right now, mate, before we get to some light of stuff,
[42:24] Speaker 1: let's talk about what happened in Berlin. This was a
[42:27] Speaker 1: giant Pride event and a van Ram raids into it
[42:32] Speaker 1: for well what we believe to be a religious reasons.
[42:35] Speaker 1: It's an obvious terror attack and it's beyond a disgrace.
[42:40] Speaker 5: It is and I don't need to convey to your
[42:43] Speaker 5: Australian audience the dangers of this radical Islamist ideology and
[42:49] Speaker 5: Paul the West have got a wake up. We are
[42:52] Speaker 5: second tired of the bouquets of flowers, of the thoughts
[42:55] Speaker 5: and prayers, of the hand ringing. If all you do
[42:58] Speaker 5: is hand ring about it perhaps suggests more CCTV cameras
[43:03] Speaker 5: or more cops. You're missing the point. These great Western
[43:07] Speaker 5: nations have unfortunately been asleep at the wheel as an
[43:11] Speaker 5: ideology which hates the West has embedded itself. And in
[43:15] Speaker 5: many cases you can't say that this will be an
[43:17] Speaker 5: illegal immigrant or a foreigner. It will be a German
[43:20] Speaker 5: or Australian or British born person that has this hateful ideology,
[43:24] Speaker 5: and it's got to be dealt with. And you know,
[43:26] Speaker 5: we can learn from the Arab states who are very
[43:29] Speaker 5: tough on Islamism, and there was one particular, the United
[43:32] Speaker 5: Arab Emirates. There's a report that they were reluctant for
[43:35] Speaker 5: their youngsters to study in the United Kingdom for fear
[43:39] Speaker 5: that they'll be radicalized. So we got to wake up
[43:42] Speaker 5: and we got to we've got to call this out.
[43:43] Speaker 4: Paul.
[43:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is the thing right where there
[43:47] Speaker 1: can be a very mature conversation about lots of people
[43:49] Speaker 1: moving around the world and people searching for better lives
[43:52] Speaker 1: and none of us having a problem with all of that.
[43:54] Speaker 1: But I mean, particularly Germany made really bad choices. They
[43:59] Speaker 1: were bad choices in real time. People saw them for
[44:02] Speaker 1: what they are and the consequences is and I sort
[44:06] Speaker 1: of in the same way that the rest of us
[44:09] Speaker 1: sometimes look at America when it comes to school shootings
[44:12] Speaker 1: and just go, jeez, how can this just be the
[44:13] Speaker 1: price of three out of million people? And occasionally weird
[44:16] Speaker 1: things happen. I refuse that sort of dilemma to be
[44:22] Speaker 1: in the West when it comes to attacks like this. Look,
[44:25] Speaker 1: are they terrible?
[44:26] Speaker 4: Yes?
[44:26] Speaker 1: Should we do something about them? Yes? Can we do
[44:28] Speaker 1: something about it?
[44:29] Speaker 7: No?
[44:29] Speaker 1: Problem too big? Most definitely.
[44:32] Speaker 5: And you're right to point out the difference because there
[44:35] Speaker 5: are millions of Americans that have guns, and the bottom
[44:38] Speaker 5: line is that, yes, it's a tragedy that you'll get
[44:41] Speaker 5: these mass shootings. You'll get these tragedies, but that is
[44:44] Speaker 5: the American way of life. The right to a handgun
[44:46] Speaker 5: is central to the American life. You know, it's part
[44:51] Speaker 5: of being Americans. So you're not going to change that.
[44:52] Speaker 5: This is different. This is nations that have given up
[44:55] Speaker 5: their identity, they've opened their borders, and what you've got
[44:59] Speaker 5: to have a aid towards get back to is a
[45:02] Speaker 5: multi ethnic society based around European and Western values. And
[45:07] Speaker 5: I think a lot of this is the failure of
[45:08] Speaker 5: the multicultural experiment, which, in my view, pool is a
[45:12] Speaker 5: failed socialist idea. Multiculturalism sounds great, but really it's people
[45:17] Speaker 5: living in parallel communities, no expectation of integration. So if
[45:22] Speaker 5: you are a migrant into Australia and you're going to work,
[45:25] Speaker 5: you're going to speak the language, you're going to follow
[45:28] Speaker 5: the rules, and you're going to participate in what Australia
[45:30] Speaker 5: is about, then you're very welcome. And if you're not,
[45:33] Speaker 5: then you're not.
[45:34] Speaker 1: Let's jump right to the other end of the pool,
[45:36] Speaker 1: the shallow end, the kiddie pool here, because Megan's back
[45:39] Speaker 1: on Tilley and apparently there's a need for her to
[45:42] Speaker 1: be on mastership for all the time.
[45:48] Speaker 4: Bye, my husband's here. What's going on? I interrupted something
[46:02] Speaker 4: you well, we are actually.
[46:04] Speaker 1: In the middle of tasting all of the dishes. We
[46:05] Speaker 1: have four incredible cooks here, oh fed Eacon like literally
[46:10] Speaker 1: a theater production of Cats is less stage than that rubbish.
[46:15] Speaker 5: Yes, I mean this was another element of Harry and
[46:18] Speaker 5: Meghan's horrible fake royal tour to Australia. This has been
[46:21] Speaker 5: in the can for a little while and I've been
[46:23] Speaker 5: dreading it coming out right, you so very performative from
[46:26] Speaker 5: the Sussex is pretending to be happily married, and of
[46:29] Speaker 5: course you know Harry's got to keep them missus happy,
[46:32] Speaker 5: you know.
[46:32] Speaker 11: Oh, hello, my love, You're so amazing, my love.
[46:35] Speaker 1: What a joke.
[46:36] Speaker 5: And then of course there was the the row reported
[46:39] Speaker 5: row between Megan and one of the judges about being
[46:41] Speaker 5: introduced as royal. Well, you know, how do you want
[46:44] Speaker 5: it to be Meghan? Because at one point, you know,
[46:46] Speaker 5: she's this independent, you know, global influencer and entrepreneur. Next
[46:50] Speaker 5: minute she's Duchess of Sussex.
[46:52] Speaker 4: Which is it?
[46:53] Speaker 5: Make your mind up?
[46:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's turning around saying please welcome former deal or
[46:57] Speaker 1: no deal model is not happening, right, all right? Last
[47:01] Speaker 1: one here, you had the opportunity to talk to Pauline
[47:04] Speaker 1: Hanson as of course as special guests in studio tomorrow night,
[47:07] Speaker 1: looking forward to that. How'd you find her?
[47:10] Speaker 5: She was on great form. She was shooting from the hip.
[47:12] Speaker 5: She's not a conventional politician. She's authentic and what she
[47:16] Speaker 5: cares about is national identity. I think that Pauline is
[47:20] Speaker 5: the canary in the coal mine. Yes, she's gonna sometimes,
[47:24] Speaker 5: you know, tonally go wider than Mark. She'll surprise people
[47:27] Speaker 5: with some of her comments. But the message is clear.
[47:30] Speaker 5: You know, she loves her country and actually she loves
[47:33] Speaker 5: the UK as well, recently describing Britain as a sad
[47:36] Speaker 5: and sorry island. She's right, and I think she's got
[47:40] Speaker 5: cut through for a good reason. And I'll tell you
[47:41] Speaker 5: she's massively popular in the UK.
[47:43] Speaker 1: Now.
[47:43] Speaker 5: She's kind of framed us the Australian Nigel Farage, which
[47:46] Speaker 5: is not one hundred percent accurate, but they both shoot
[47:49] Speaker 5: from the hip, they're both authentic and for both of them,
[47:51] Speaker 5: the message is landing.
[47:53] Speaker 1: Thank you Matte, appreciate it. Of course you can find
[47:55] Speaker 1: him on Talk TV. You find him on YouTube as well.
[47:56] Speaker 1: The great Mac Doland, Thank you brother. All right, quick
[47:58] Speaker 1: break back with Moore here on Paul Murray Love. It's
[48:00] Speaker 1: away from the Late Debate. That's our show for tonight,
[48:08] Speaker 1: just enough time to remind you this time tomorrow night
[48:11] Speaker 1: we'll be wrapping up our special program with Pauline Hanson.
[48:14] Speaker 1: She's going to be here in the News twenty four studio.
[48:17] Speaker 1: We are looking forward to her not just answering the
[48:19] Speaker 1: questions from the people that are in the room, but
[48:21] Speaker 1: again the idea is for her to answer the questions
[48:23] Speaker 1: from around the country. We have got many bases covered,
[48:26] Speaker 1: but obviously something will pop up if something in the
[48:29] Speaker 1: news will mention it. But most importantly, this is an
[48:31] Speaker 1: opportunity for you to see her for an hour okay,
[48:34] Speaker 1: for you to see what she's like on her feet,
[48:36] Speaker 1: for you to see her on lots of different issues.
[48:39] Speaker 1: It is not sort of your typical experience where it's
[48:43] Speaker 1: trying to trip her up. It's about giving her the
[48:45] Speaker 1: opportunity to say what she believes. Here's a late debate
[48:48] Speaker 1: see Tomorrow with Pauline

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