# Paul Murray Live | 14 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 14 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/771eba6d-97d2-45af-a92d-b48700d06703/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

One Nation could seize power in the Senate, further proof Labor's budget is nonsense. Plus, the Iran war may hit petrol prices again. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Caleb Hollo maybe standing up. You know what
[0:09] Speaker 1: that means. It's going to be a big story when
[0:11] Speaker 1: it comes to the opinion polls. But I got to
[0:13] Speaker 1: tell you, Barnaby Joyce is on the show tonight and
[0:15] Speaker 1: he will be reacting to the latest sky News Pulse.
[0:18] Speaker 1: But a whole lot more than that, including the ghost
[0:21] Speaker 1: to yet again is sooking about sky News. All right,
[0:24] Speaker 1: let's have a look at the latest opinion pole. Thanks
[0:26] Speaker 1: to our mates it you gov. We call it the
[0:27] Speaker 1: sky News Pulse, and it does show a four to
[0:38] Speaker 1: fourth support when it comes to one Nation. It is
[0:41] Speaker 1: now in line with some poles, but there are others
[0:43] Speaker 1: that say there has not been a drop in their support.
[0:46] Speaker 1: Right now, the headline that'll be up right now at
[0:48] Speaker 1: sky news dot com dot U says that Paul Enhanson's
[0:50] Speaker 1: monocoature monarch culture call is seeing one Nation support slide.
[0:56] Speaker 1: Let's have a look now at the overall primary. What
[0:58] Speaker 1: are we talking about? What are we talking about when
[1:00] Speaker 1: it comes to the changes. One Nation down four points
[1:03] Speaker 1: to twenty six, still number two behind the Labor Party
[1:07] Speaker 1: who is also down one at twenty eight. Biggest mover
[1:10] Speaker 1: in the poll the Coalition with presumably much if not
[1:13] Speaker 1: all of it coming from one Nation, the Greens down,
[1:16] Speaker 1: other and Independent, and we are also starting to break
[1:20] Speaker 1: this thing down into that Teals party. They're currently running
[1:24] Speaker 1: at two percent, so not bad for a party with
[1:27] Speaker 1: just two members in it. But let's have a look
[1:30] Speaker 1: now also when it comes to the different genders, which
[1:33] Speaker 1: way are they going? Right now? Well, men again drop
[1:37] Speaker 1: for one nation down to twenty nine, down minus three Labor,
[1:41] Speaker 1: the Coalition and the Greens are all sitting solid as
[1:45] Speaker 1: for the ladies. And which way are they going in
[1:48] Speaker 1: this opinion poll this week? Well, you can see Labor
[1:50] Speaker 1: going backwards. Jeez, I wonder if that podcast may have
[1:53] Speaker 1: had anything to do with that. But we'll see the
[1:55] Speaker 1: Coalition apparently up five. Pretty big change. We should of
[2:00] Speaker 1: course down five. Anything outside of two or three points
[2:05] Speaker 1: is outside of the margin of era. That is clearly
[2:07] Speaker 1: a big movement which is taking place, all right. So
[2:10] Speaker 1: you can see there the Greens are down and the
[2:13] Speaker 1: Independence and others are up, including as I say, about
[2:16] Speaker 1: two percent give or take. When it comes to the
[2:19] Speaker 1: new Tiffany Teal Party, all right, in terms of the
[2:22] Speaker 1: class system. And again we're not really classiest in Australia,
[2:25] Speaker 1: but we know the difference between those at the top
[2:27] Speaker 1: of the tree and those that are the working class.
[2:29] Speaker 1: And the working class well, their view has slightly changed
[2:32] Speaker 1: as well, apparently one nation, remember how dominant they have
[2:36] Speaker 1: been here. Well, as you can see a very significant
[2:39] Speaker 1: drop in just a couple of weeks since our last
[2:43] Speaker 1: Sky News polse You can see there too, the others,
[2:46] Speaker 1: the Greens Coalition all of it down, so a lot
[2:50] Speaker 1: of that that's gone missing. It all ends up going
[2:52] Speaker 1: into the giant don't know what undecided category the government
[2:56] Speaker 1: being able to go back up. But still, as you
[2:58] Speaker 1: can see there the best part of five points behind
[3:02] Speaker 1: one nation in terms of the middle class. Of course,
[3:05] Speaker 1: the vast bulk of voters in Australia. Again, coalition is
[3:10] Speaker 1: the beneficiary of labor and one nation going backwards. So
[3:14] Speaker 1: in many ways, while the automatic thought here is going
[3:16] Speaker 1: to be about one nation and a move back there,
[3:19] Speaker 1: the point here is that it has not been going
[3:21] Speaker 1: to labor. It has been largely going back to the coalition.
[3:25] Speaker 1: As for the top of the tree, well, again this
[3:27] Speaker 1: is always amazing to me that the coalition has now
[3:31] Speaker 1: replaced Labor as the choice of those at the top
[3:34] Speaker 1: end of town because of an eight point swing. Incredible,
[3:37] Speaker 1: what changed, Well the Greens Now again we're talking about
[3:40] Speaker 1: fractions of fractions, but still we always like to break
[3:43] Speaker 1: this down for you. Now, a lot of people want
[3:45] Speaker 1: to talk about one nation and the beginning of the end,
[3:47] Speaker 1: the crumbling of this, the crumbling of that. Please are
[3:50] Speaker 1: you actually paying attention to what's going on? Because according
[3:53] Speaker 1: to this poll we asked the people who said that
[3:56] Speaker 1: they were going to support one nation, how hardcore are
[3:59] Speaker 1: they about this support for one nation? Well, half of
[4:02] Speaker 1: the number, in fact more of the number, fifty six
[4:05] Speaker 1: percent of that number they're locked in. They're not changing.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Thirty two percent say look they're with them, but they
[4:11] Speaker 1: might change. Twelve percent They are not locked in yet
[4:15] Speaker 1: to vote for one nation. But that's the way they
[4:17] Speaker 1: are leading leaning at the moment, and that's the way
[4:20] Speaker 1: that they are talking about it to the polls. As
[4:24] Speaker 1: for the Prime Minister and his performance, this is always
[4:26] Speaker 1: worth marking because this has been frankly the government's problems.
[4:31] Speaker 1: Remember the lies that have become law when it comes
[4:33] Speaker 1: to the budget. Well, how does it now go for
[4:35] Speaker 1: the Prime minister, who has had some pretty bad numbers. Well,
[4:39] Speaker 1: his satisfaction level slightly up, his dissatisfaction level slightly down,
[4:43] Speaker 1: but fifty six percent, more than half of the country
[4:46] Speaker 1: dissatisfied with the performance of the Prime minister all right. Now,
[4:51] Speaker 1: in terms of the generations Gen Z, of course the
[4:54] Speaker 1: youngest of the voters, they are largely satisfied with the
[4:59] Speaker 1: Prime minister as opposed to dissatisfied millennials. Remember the next
[5:03] Speaker 1: group up. When it comes to the areas, fifty three
[5:07] Speaker 1: percent are dissatisfied, forty two percent satisfied. Now, again, the
[5:12] Speaker 1: whole point of the budget was people under fifty over
[5:14] Speaker 1: fifty will. Millennials make up a massive chunk of that
[5:17] Speaker 1: under fifty number. So the Prime Minister is not out
[5:20] Speaker 1: of the woods yet because of the drag that is
[5:23] Speaker 1: existing right now with millennial voters with Gen X, which
[5:26] Speaker 1: gets you a little bit closer or above fifty. This
[5:29] Speaker 1: is my generation. Sixty three percent can't stand him. Well,
[5:34] Speaker 1: I know my people right. In terms of the boomers,
[5:38] Speaker 1: their view when it comes to the Prime minister, fifty
[5:40] Speaker 1: nine percent are dissatisfied, thirty five percent satisfied, and the
[5:44] Speaker 1: greatest generation of all those that were in and around
[5:47] Speaker 1: World War II. Well, unsurprisingly they can't stand him at all. Now. Interestingly,
[5:53] Speaker 1: we also decided to ask inside all of this today
[5:57] Speaker 1: about what people's feelings were about Australia now compared to say,
[6:01] Speaker 1: twelve months ago. Let's have a look at what that
[6:05] Speaker 1: now feels like, because the very significant number of Australians will,
[6:09] Speaker 1: in fact half believe that twelve months ago, compared to
[6:13] Speaker 1: twelve months ago, Australia is now weaker and poorer, thirty
[6:16] Speaker 1: four percent saying the same. Who are the fifteen percent
[6:20] Speaker 1: of people, apart from people who I don't know might
[6:22] Speaker 1: be giving advice to government right now when it comes
[6:25] Speaker 1: to housing, think that things have got better. Well anyway,
[6:28] Speaker 1: that's just fifteen percent. Another question that we've got inside
[6:31] Speaker 1: the pole is when it comes to antisemitism, the Antisemitism
[6:36] Speaker 1: Rawal Commission, which has been rolling for some time. Well, unsurprisingly,
[6:39] Speaker 1: the extreme majority of Australians see this as a problem.
[6:42] Speaker 1: We see antisemitism for what it is, which is a scourge,
[6:45] Speaker 1: which is a problem. And the polling is pretty clear
[6:48] Speaker 1: here right twenty five percent of the country says that
[6:50] Speaker 1: it's a very serious problem. Forty one percent of people
[6:53] Speaker 1: say that it is somewhat serious. Eighteen percent believe that
[6:58] Speaker 1: it is a minor problem. I got a problem at all?
[7:00] Speaker 1: Six percent fair dicom. But as you can see, pretty
[7:03] Speaker 1: easy there those that believe it's a problem, a somewhat
[7:05] Speaker 1: serious or very serious problem. It all matters. Now. Unsurprisingly
[7:09] Speaker 1: you may think there's a great difference between young voters
[7:12] Speaker 1: and older voters. Well I can show you that too,
[7:15] Speaker 1: those that between eighteen to twenty four, fifty three percent
[7:18] Speaker 1: of them say that it is a somewhat serious problem.
[7:21] Speaker 1: All right, sixty seven are in the top two categories.
[7:25] Speaker 1: Let's compare that with people who are over the age
[7:28] Speaker 1: of fifty. What's their position? Well, you can see again
[7:32] Speaker 1: a little more balanced, but again a clear number there
[7:35] Speaker 1: where what we're talking about seventy two percent of people
[7:39] Speaker 1: over the age of fifty who consider it to be
[7:41] Speaker 1: a problem or a major problem. More breakdowns, more details,
[7:45] Speaker 1: all the rest of it up now at skynews dot
[7:47] Speaker 1: com dot au. We call it the sky Newspops. Now,
[7:57] Speaker 1: just about that Royal Commission again. It continues the focus
[7:59] Speaker 1: of people inside academia, from those that work at universities
[8:04] Speaker 1: to those that study at universities and the horrific experiences
[8:08] Speaker 1: that they have had with anti Semitism.
[8:10] Speaker 2: He quite quickly changed his tone and said, well, we're
[8:13] Speaker 2: an anti Desigonist organization, and I said that's fine, it's
[8:17] Speaker 2: kind of not what we're talking about. And he asked
[8:20] Speaker 2: if I was Jewish, and I of course said yes,
[8:23] Speaker 2: because I didn't think that anybody would have an issue
[8:25] Speaker 2: with it. And it escalated quite quickly where another girl
[8:28] Speaker 2: nearby started chanting, we won't stop until people like you
[8:32] Speaker 2: are kicked off campus, and she made a big scene,
[8:35] Speaker 2: and other people heard about it in the group and
[8:37] Speaker 2: stopped handing out their flyers and began accosting me. Some
[8:41] Speaker 2: people joined in the chant, which I felt was something
[8:44] Speaker 2: that they had chanted before, just from the unison of it.
[8:48] Speaker 2: They started asking if I liked killing Palestinians.
[8:50] Speaker 3: There was one person in particular who again I've come
[8:52] Speaker 3: to her and is not as a student or staff member,
[8:55] Speaker 3: a deacon, but still president on the campus, and he
[8:58] Speaker 3: began assulting me, just repeatedly shoving me over and over
[9:01] Speaker 3: again a very large man until I was at the
[9:03] Speaker 3: edge of the stage and the one final push knocked
[9:07] Speaker 3: me off of him. I fell to the ground and
[9:09] Speaker 3: I sustained injuries to my hip and leg in my
[9:11] Speaker 3: arm and I was bleeding.
[9:14] Speaker 1: Now, as you know, the media, when it comes to
[9:15] Speaker 1: all the opinion polls, including what I've just shown you,
[9:18] Speaker 1: they all have one narrative and one narrative only.
[9:21] Speaker 2: Her rise in the polls was meteoric. Now support for
[9:24] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and One Nation appears to be slipping.
[9:27] Speaker 4: Support for Pauline Hansen has Forwen for the first time
[9:30] Speaker 4: in four months. According to fresh poling from our colleagues
[9:32] Speaker 4: at the Sidney Morning Heralds.
[9:33] Speaker 2: The thought for One Nation has slumped in the latest
[9:36] Speaker 2: Resolve strategic pole.
[9:38] Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to back up and kind of go
[9:40] Speaker 1: where I was last night, which, yes, is there a
[9:43] Speaker 1: change from number one to number two? Is there the
[9:47] Speaker 1: beginning of not always going up? Sure? Right, But you'd
[9:50] Speaker 1: think that twenty percent of people have just changed their
[9:53] Speaker 1: mind in the past couple of days. And there are
[9:56] Speaker 1: opinion polls from Demo's Au and the Roy Morgan Pole
[9:59] Speaker 1: which still has have One Nation sitting at the top
[10:01] Speaker 1: of the tree. But remember, in all of these poles,
[10:04] Speaker 1: it's still only a couple of points away from Labor.
[10:08] Speaker 1: It's the Coalition, not Labor that has been the beneficiary
[10:11] Speaker 1: of these changes. So okay, as it was before, it
[10:14] Speaker 1: is now, which is the rearranging of the center right
[10:17] Speaker 1: of Australian politics. I want to remind you across all
[10:20] Speaker 1: of these poles you can see, yes, a reduction in
[10:23] Speaker 1: support for One Nation, Newspole twenty nine percent, red Bridge
[10:27] Speaker 1: at twenty nine percent, the Morgan Pole twenty eight percent,
[10:30] Speaker 1: Sky News Polse the freshest and latest of them twenty
[10:32] Speaker 1: six percent, and the Resolve poll again at twenty six percent.
[10:38] Speaker 1: But as I told you last night, well I always
[10:41] Speaker 1: thought the conversations about you know, are they going to
[10:43] Speaker 1: form government might be just a little bit too tippy top,
[10:46] Speaker 1: And at that number is there's still a chance they
[10:48] Speaker 1: can finish in front of Libs and potentially become the opposition. Absolutely,
[10:53] Speaker 1: very much all still in play. But as I have
[10:56] Speaker 1: pointed out through the entirety of the first rise and
[11:01] Speaker 1: now plateau of One Nation, the big play and the
[11:05] Speaker 1: way to change Australian politics is their performance in the Senate.
[11:11] Speaker 1: Now largely the media have just ignored One Nation as
[11:15] Speaker 1: whoever's at the bottom of the garden. They could do
[11:17] Speaker 1: that when there was only one senator, then two now
[11:21] Speaker 1: four senators. Remember after the last federal election, news so
[11:26] Speaker 1: Wals produces a senator, Western Australia produces the senator two
[11:29] Speaker 1: senators from Queensland. At the next election, people like Lee
[11:33] Speaker 1: Hansen would have to be considered the absolute favorite, considering
[11:37] Speaker 1: that much of the existing Liberal senator in Tasmania are
[11:44] Speaker 1: up stumps and leaving Jackie Lamby was already just elected
[11:48] Speaker 1: to the last one. Her number two has now left
[11:51] Speaker 1: the Jackie Lamby network and run off to the Labor Party.
[11:55] Speaker 1: So you'd imagine that there is quite the possibility of
[11:58] Speaker 1: Lee Hanson in Tasmania, let alone the state based numbers
[12:04] Speaker 1: in New South Wales, in South Australia, in Western Australia,
[12:07] Speaker 1: in Queensland. They all point to a massive increase in
[12:11] Speaker 1: the number of senators that one nation will have. And
[12:15] Speaker 1: if they are able to replace people that have been
[12:19] Speaker 1: on the center left, like the second Lambee candidate, well
[12:24] Speaker 1: of course that ends up giving them the position of
[12:26] Speaker 1: getting very close to, if not having the balance of power.
[12:30] Speaker 1: So regardless of the result, whether it is the Prime
[12:32] Speaker 1: Minister with no majority or with the thumping majority, there's
[12:35] Speaker 1: a chance. There's a chance that if you send the
[12:38] Speaker 1: one Nation senator to the Senate, the handbrake comes on
[12:42] Speaker 1: and you're able to limit much of the damage of
[12:44] Speaker 1: the government wants to do through the Parliament. I've said
[12:46] Speaker 1: this the whole way through, and I'm placed to say
[12:49] Speaker 1: there are people that are starting to notice, like I
[12:51] Speaker 1: mate Phil Coury. He in fact takes it even more
[12:53] Speaker 1: mainstream today in the pages of the Financial Review. A
[12:57] Speaker 1: statewide result because you see he noticed what I said.
[13:00] Speaker 1: As long as the number is above fifteen, that almost
[13:03] Speaker 1: guarantees a senator in every state. The number right now,
[13:07] Speaker 1: as I said, worst case scenario is the result pole
[13:10] Speaker 1: at twenty six. Best case scenario is at twenty nine,
[13:13] Speaker 1: so you're probably talking here about not just one, but
[13:16] Speaker 1: maybe two senators. A statewide vote of fourteen percent is
[13:21] Speaker 1: required to win one Senate seat, while a minimum of
[13:24] Speaker 1: twenty percent or twenty one percent gives a party a
[13:27] Speaker 1: good shot of picking up a second seat. At vote
[13:29] Speaker 1: of twenty seven percent virtually guarantees two seats in each jurisdiction.
[13:35] Speaker 1: So while they may not change the government, while they
[13:36] Speaker 1: may not upend the upper House, the likelihood is if
[13:40] Speaker 1: it's above fifteen percent. They could absolutely flip the Senate
[13:45] Speaker 1: ben oquist, hard leftist part of the Australia Institute. But
[13:48] Speaker 1: he provides the information here. They could end up with
[13:51] Speaker 1: as many as fifteen Senators, that's three more than the Greens.
[13:55] Speaker 1: They would effectively be able to pick up what eleven
[13:57] Speaker 1: seats in one line, incredible. The Coalition would have twenty,
[14:04] Speaker 1: Labor would have twenty eight, there would be just two
[14:07] Speaker 1: Independence being David Pocock and Lamby, who of course holds
[14:11] Speaker 1: over from the last election. So don't fall into this
[14:14] Speaker 1: whole garbage right that I did think got a little
[14:17] Speaker 1: too tippy top, a little too hot, which was what
[14:20] Speaker 1: nation's going to win the next election. And if they
[14:22] Speaker 1: don't win the next election by the polls, then it's
[14:24] Speaker 1: all over.
[14:25] Speaker 5: Well.
[14:25] Speaker 1: The reality is, if you currently have two members in
[14:27] Speaker 1: the lower House four members in the upper House, there's
[14:29] Speaker 1: a chance that you could double or treble the number
[14:33] Speaker 1: in the lower House, and you could explode to more
[14:36] Speaker 1: than the Greens. Then that would be one hell of
[14:39] Speaker 1: a win, all right. But this is part of the
[14:42] Speaker 1: expectations game, part of the media trying to say that
[14:45] Speaker 1: nothing other than total victory is an absolute loss. That's BS,
[14:49] Speaker 1: and that's why I'll be talking to Barnaby Joyce in
[14:51] Speaker 1: a moment or two time.
[14:53] Speaker 5: Now.
[14:54] Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise, the BS in the budget was BS. It's
[14:58] Speaker 1: been a couple of months, stood up and was congratulated
[15:01] Speaker 1: for the greatest budget of all time that apparently was
[15:03] Speaker 1: about to take care of young people. But young people
[15:06] Speaker 1: are still having a bit of trouble getting into a
[15:08] Speaker 1: house right now. But don't worry about that, of course.
[15:10] Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers, well he's turned around and said, look, people
[15:13] Speaker 1: are sort of if they're angry now, they'll get over it,
[15:15] Speaker 1: even though they lied, which for some people is in
[15:18] Speaker 1: and of itself a reason not to pay attention to
[15:20] Speaker 1: anything when it comes to this government over the next
[15:22] Speaker 1: couple of years. Oh no, no, but they're all just
[15:24] Speaker 1: fools who read the wrong things, watch the wrong things.
[15:30] Speaker 1: And of course the media, as I've said for how
[15:33] Speaker 1: long now that the budget, as important as it is
[15:37] Speaker 1: to watch it to understand it, it is a political
[15:40] Speaker 1: document virtually now more than an economic document, and they
[15:44] Speaker 1: move all the dials they possibly can to get the
[15:46] Speaker 1: best version of the story to get them through the night.
[15:49] Speaker 1: On the assumption that you won't remember it next week,
[15:51] Speaker 1: next month or next year. Well, the Parliamentary Budget Office
[15:57] Speaker 1: has stepped in and has again done what I did
[16:00] Speaker 1: on Budget Night, which is called BS. To the BS
[16:03] Speaker 1: in the budget, the federal government's return to budget surplus,
[16:06] Speaker 1: which by the way is years away, apparently relies on
[16:09] Speaker 1: an unprecedented restraint in NDIS spending, meaning it won't happen,
[16:13] Speaker 1: shrinking the public service which won't happen, allowing bracket creep
[16:17] Speaker 1: to push the tax burden onto workers to record highs
[16:20] Speaker 1: That will happen, according to the Parliamentary Budget Office, which
[16:24] Speaker 1: warns it may be unrealistic. So again the BS and
[16:28] Speaker 1: the budget is BS. The Independent Budget Watchdog on Tuesday
[16:32] Speaker 1: warned the Treasurer Jim Chalmer's fiscal strategy was also vulnerable
[16:36] Speaker 1: to the rapid rise in state debt, which could eventually
[16:39] Speaker 1: drive up federal borrowing and increased pressure on the Commonwealth
[16:43] Speaker 1: to boost further funding to the state's meaning less money
[16:46] Speaker 1: for them and higher budget deficits. Deficit on top of
[16:50] Speaker 1: deficit on top of deficit equals one t four trillion dollars.
[16:54] Speaker 1: The report projects that in the budget, which is allegedly
[16:59] Speaker 1: going to be thirty one and a half billion dollars
[17:01] Speaker 1: deficit this year is going to remain in the red
[17:03] Speaker 1: for next year, next year, next year, next year, next year,
[17:06] Speaker 1: twenty thirty three to twenty thirty four. Was this the
[17:10] Speaker 1: lead story from the political people at all tonight or
[17:13] Speaker 1: were they talking about opinion polls? Was the vast political
[17:18] Speaker 1: diaspora that tells us who the good guys are and
[17:21] Speaker 1: the bad guys are discussing this? Did you have to
[17:23] Speaker 1: send out a search party to maybe find this to
[17:25] Speaker 1: be read somewhere? Thankfully some reported it. But is this
[17:28] Speaker 1: a chance that this is the first time you're hearing
[17:30] Speaker 1: about this? Oh, that's not by accident, by the way,
[17:33] Speaker 1: that's the way that all of this is supposed to work.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Be distracted by the horse race, be distracted by the poles,
[17:39] Speaker 1: be distracted by the bs. Look over here, we're passing
[17:42] Speaker 1: the law. So all the people who get screwed over
[17:43] Speaker 1: it still get screwed over by it. But remember all
[17:45] Speaker 1: of those people were tech bros. Please let's talk about
[17:51] Speaker 1: what's happening when it comes to Iran, because of course
[17:53] Speaker 1: that all continues on in earnest. Now, unsurprisingly, there's been
[17:58] Speaker 1: a spike in the global oil price. Here we go again.
[18:01] Speaker 1: All I want to say about this is told you
[18:05] Speaker 1: the petrol prices were always going to be high. They're
[18:07] Speaker 1: going to go back up, which means, presumably Jim Chalmers
[18:10] Speaker 1: is going to have to again continue on with the
[18:14] Speaker 1: decision never wanted to do, which is to reduce the
[18:16] Speaker 1: fuel excise. Pardon me? Or is he just going to
[18:22] Speaker 1: sit with it where it is now, despite the fact
[18:24] Speaker 1: that the prices are going to go back up. And
[18:26] Speaker 1: remember the five dollars a week tax cut that apparently
[18:29] Speaker 1: was going to make everything fine. Well all of that
[18:31] Speaker 1: has already disappeared. But you know, the great divide in
[18:35] Speaker 1: a strutiyo is not left and right. It's those who
[18:37] Speaker 1: pay attention and those who don't. If you are paying attention,
[18:40] Speaker 1: you are mighty angry. The government's betting that most are not.
[18:44] Speaker 1: Bunnaby Joyce, of course, is the memberphi New England. He
[18:47] Speaker 1: joins us at right now from Dangle marro I believe
[18:49] Speaker 1: it is. You're in the shed tonight, mate, you're doing
[18:51] Speaker 1: a little bit of work. What's going on?
[18:53] Speaker 6: H Yeah, the boy has been mustering today and so
[18:56] Speaker 6: we're just sitting out here.
[18:57] Speaker 5: I'll show you actually I'll say you.
[18:58] Speaker 1: Go the boys.
[18:59] Speaker 6: Look there, you go to the bar lads campfire.
[19:05] Speaker 1: Saying gooda, that's a great sound.
[19:07] Speaker 6: So we're anyway, we're just doing that and I'm finding
[19:11] Speaker 6: out where we are with a stock and working out
[19:13] Speaker 6: what our game plan is for the months ahead, and
[19:16] Speaker 6: working out what we're selling and what we're not.
[19:18] Speaker 5: And anyway, that's Australia.
[19:21] Speaker 1: They love it. I love it, and we all wish
[19:23] Speaker 1: we were there. Can feel the warmth from the fire.
[19:25] Speaker 1: What a perfect place to be. Get out of the
[19:27] Speaker 1: boys all right now. Obviously, opinion polls, they go up,
[19:29] Speaker 1: they go down. It's a much easier story just to say, hey, barnabear,
[19:32] Speaker 1: you impressed that everything went better and better and better
[19:35] Speaker 1: and better, and then okay it tape us out right now.
[19:38] Speaker 1: But the media would make it seem like you've lost
[19:40] Speaker 1: fifteen points. Okay, it's margin and vera, it's a shaving.
[19:43] Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Things go up, things go down.
[19:46] Speaker 1: But again, even if the worst case scenario here, I
[19:49] Speaker 1: say in inverted commas, well, if you're over fifteen percent,
[19:52] Speaker 1: it's a senator in every state.
[19:55] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be straight with you, Paul, and your audience
[19:58] Speaker 6: if we're in the twenties on yes, that's and I
[20:02] Speaker 6: don't like get.
[20:03] Speaker 5: Greedy about it.
[20:04] Speaker 6: It's the Australian people have changed. There's a change in
[20:08] Speaker 6: the political dynamic. It's not unusual to Australia. It's across
[20:11] Speaker 6: the world. And it's changed because people are trying to
[20:15] Speaker 6: claim back their authority over the executive and if they're
[20:19] Speaker 6: sick of all the lefty garbage. And you can hear
[20:22] Speaker 6: about it tonight the campfire and that's not it's not
[20:25] Speaker 6: like I put on campfire. That's a genuine works. I
[20:28] Speaker 6: can say, swag it out after this and go to
[20:31] Speaker 6: bed and make up in the morning, start mastering again.
[20:34] Speaker 5: And the people had a guffle.
[20:38] Speaker 6: And I think that's across Australia, and if it was
[20:41] Speaker 6: my nation would be some other party. And and people
[20:46] Speaker 6: got to realize that.
[20:47] Speaker 5: The world's changed.
[20:47] Speaker 6: And it's not only just change out here danglemar it's
[20:50] Speaker 6: changing the eastern suburbs as well. It's amazed me western subers,
[20:53] Speaker 6: the Sydney, eastern subers of the Sydney. I should go
[20:56] Speaker 6: to the other capital cities a bit more. But they're
[20:58] Speaker 6: all the same. They say, maybe, well, all these recal
[21:00] Speaker 6: the coal, the oil, the gas, iron or what the
[21:03] Speaker 6: hell are we becoming poorer now?
[21:06] Speaker 1: Also we see that again in all of this polling.
[21:09] Speaker 1: And again I always love you know, there's the term
[21:11] Speaker 1: push polling, right, which is pretty obvious. You ask a
[21:13] Speaker 1: very obvious question hoping to get a certain answer, right,
[21:16] Speaker 1: And I notice in a couple of these opinion polls
[21:18] Speaker 1: the first thing they ask is a question that clearly
[21:20] Speaker 1: I don't hear you guys talking about that very much, right, Like,
[21:22] Speaker 1: apparently the single and only thing that one nation cares
[21:25] Speaker 1: about is abortion. Right, Well, the single and only thing
[21:27] Speaker 1: that people care about is teenage voters. But you know
[21:30] Speaker 1: how they often and that's all about trying to say
[21:32] Speaker 1: to the person on the other end of the line,
[21:34] Speaker 1: they're about all these of them, Yeah, one hundred percent. Right.
[21:37] Speaker 1: So there's a lot of theater behind the way they
[21:39] Speaker 1: ask a question.
[21:40] Speaker 7: Here.
[21:40] Speaker 1: I'm not saying fake news, but some of the extra
[21:43] Speaker 1: spin on the ball, we can tell where that's coming from.
[21:46] Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, what it is is just the frustration,
[21:49] Speaker 6: the malaise Australia has got itself into the fact that
[21:52] Speaker 6: we should be one of the wealthiest.
[21:53] Speaker 5: Nations on Earth. But we're going backwards.
[21:56] Speaker 6: The fact that we know the executive has come so
[21:59] Speaker 6: much into our life, socializing our private assets, saying you
[22:02] Speaker 6: can't do this because of the frogs, can't do that,
[22:05] Speaker 6: because you can't do that because.
[22:07] Speaker 5: Of the mosque, you know.
[22:08] Speaker 6: You know, oh, let's you know, all of a sudden
[22:10] Speaker 6: we've got three flags, not one.
[22:12] Speaker 5: We've got it, you.
[22:13] Speaker 6: Know, all of a sudden, we're our whole lives curtailed,
[22:16] Speaker 6: and we've got so much opportunity, so much opportunity. We
[22:19] Speaker 6: could just be absolutely rocking it, you know, in the world,
[22:23] Speaker 6: and we're not. And people are saying well and for
[22:27] Speaker 6: other people say well, if you go to their midd'll
[22:29] Speaker 6: all be terrible, and you say, well, the problem is
[22:32] Speaker 6: you guys, you're good people, but you I don't know.
[22:35] Speaker 6: You just haven't got it. You haven't got it together.
[22:38] Speaker 6: We just haven't got it it as a nation as.
[22:40] Speaker 5: We should have.
[22:41] Speaker 6: And then there's also the social issue and people say, oh,
[22:43] Speaker 6: they look at Europe.
[22:44] Speaker 5: And go oh that scares me. That scares me.
[22:47] Speaker 6: I don't want to be like that, what's going on there.
[22:49] Speaker 6: I don't want that to happen to Australia. And that's
[22:51] Speaker 6: fair enough to there are a lot of things like that.
[22:53] Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I mean, there really is only
[22:55] Speaker 1: I mean, there is no chance to unscramble the egg.
[22:56] Speaker 1: There's only one chance to stop your country heading in
[22:59] Speaker 1: us certain direction. And for whatever version of that that
[23:03] Speaker 1: that means to the twenty eight million people around us,
[23:05] Speaker 1: there is no shame in viewing the world that way,
[23:09] Speaker 1: viewing the world that there are certain red lines and
[23:11] Speaker 1: you don't want it to cross. And here's this particular
[23:14] Speaker 1: political vessel is the one that I think is going
[23:17] Speaker 1: to best serve my version of where the red lines are.
[23:20] Speaker 1: But it's amazing how again, what the media was happy
[23:24] Speaker 1: to weaponize because it was a way of crashing the Libs,
[23:27] Speaker 1: it's now about trying to smash you guys in order
[23:30] Speaker 1: to keep you all in a box, so that so
[23:33] Speaker 1: the team that tucks them in at night stays in charge.
[23:36] Speaker 6: You think, and you honestly think that the istram people
[23:38] Speaker 6: that dope that they haven't worked that out.
[23:41] Speaker 5: People are pretty smart.
[23:42] Speaker 6: I mean, I just love the common sense of there
[23:46] Speaker 6: we go of those people, they've got it all worked out.
[23:50] Speaker 1: You know.
[23:51] Speaker 6: It's a case of and that could be the lady
[23:55] Speaker 6: in the coffee shop. You know, they're all the sun.
[23:58] Speaker 6: They adobe, Paul, they watch you, they watch other things.
[24:02] Speaker 6: It amazes you how much they understand what's happening in Australia,
[24:07] Speaker 6: and they just understand that we have so much potential
[24:11] Speaker 6: that's lost They've got. I had an absolute gutful of
[24:13] Speaker 6: the government being in every corner sort of you.
[24:16] Speaker 5: Know, preaching to them, taking their rights off them.
[24:20] Speaker 6: You know, like twenty to twenty five percent of your
[24:22] Speaker 6: house price now, Paul is regulations.
[24:25] Speaker 5: From the government. I mean, it's insane. And you know,
[24:29] Speaker 5: and I'll give you I'll give you a classic example.
[24:31] Speaker 5: I've got a blocking here.
[24:34] Speaker 6: Apparently I'm allowed to do anything I like on anything
[24:36] Speaker 6: that's blue, I've got to get permission from the government.
[24:38] Speaker 5: Or anything that's yellow, I go to jail.
[24:40] Speaker 6: If I do anything and it's on pink, I go
[24:42] Speaker 6: to jail for jail.
[24:43] Speaker 5: On orange, I go jail for a long time for
[24:45] Speaker 5: anything that's in pink.
[24:47] Speaker 6: You know. The only part of my place that was
[24:48] Speaker 6: blue that I could do something without the government getting
[24:51] Speaker 6: permission from the government a freaking lawn.
[24:55] Speaker 5: Wow.
[24:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not funny. I get it. It's not funny.
[24:58] Speaker 1: It's appalling the way that it runs. Oh yeah, and
[25:01] Speaker 1: finally I got to ask you here because I did
[25:03] Speaker 1: see when Pik asked you the other day. The ghosts
[25:07] Speaker 1: at it again. Apparently part of some book tour ripping in.
[25:10] Speaker 1: Apparently you know this conversation we're having, the one that
[25:12] Speaker 1: I have every night. It's just a piss bloke at
[25:14] Speaker 1: a bar on a Saturday night, a visual warning to
[25:17] Speaker 1: everyone that the ghost is back here. I mean, fine,
[25:20] Speaker 1: it's an act, but it's a fairly poorly trodden one
[25:23] Speaker 1: by now, isn't it. Mate?
[25:25] Speaker 6: Well I just think you know you get sorry from
[25:27] Speaker 6: mountain doing honest, this sounds so weird, mate, Paul, You've
[25:31] Speaker 6: got a heart right, and it can either beat with heart,
[25:33] Speaker 6: but with love or hate. And it's like oil and water,
[25:37] Speaker 6: the two done mix. And Malcolm, your heart just beating
[25:42] Speaker 6: with hate?
[25:42] Speaker 5: Mate? And what is seventy one years old?
[25:46] Speaker 6: Let's be frank, You've got another fifteen years before it
[25:48] Speaker 6: really doesn't matter. You'll be alive, but it won't be mattered.
[25:52] Speaker 6: So why are you filling up this last time of
[25:54] Speaker 6: your life with hate? Maybe because when your heart comes
[25:59] Speaker 6: with hate, all the people you need to love are
[26:03] Speaker 6: crowded out.
[26:04] Speaker 5: Just give up on it, Malcolm.
[26:06] Speaker 6: Just go back and love your family and stop worrying
[26:10] Speaker 6: about this business.
[26:12] Speaker 5: Every time you hear this horrible bitterness, give it up, Malcolm.
[26:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, but also just pick a lane right, so small
[26:17] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, or so big that it is ruining everything.
[26:21] Speaker 1: Pick the damn lane. All right, Thank you, Barnaby, look
[26:23] Speaker 1: forward to the chat, Look forward to see you again soon.
[26:25] Speaker 1: Enjoy the campfire, mate, looks I got another half an
[26:27] Speaker 1: hour and maybe one and a half tennies left in it,
[26:30] Speaker 1: all of us, I thought, say Barnaby Choyce there of
[26:33] Speaker 1: course the member for New England. Always lovely to see him,
[26:35] Speaker 1: always love to have a good old fashioned chat. How
[26:37] Speaker 1: good is that? Just some people sitting around a campfire?
[26:40] Speaker 1: Is the camera turn back? That's why I like them,
[26:42] Speaker 1: That's why I love them, That's why I think they're
[26:43] Speaker 1: well and truly in the race. And again, worst case
[26:45] Speaker 1: scenario is a giant senate performance. Yeah, I'll take that
[26:49] Speaker 1: as a way of changing the country for the better,
[26:52] Speaker 1: limiting the madness that comes out of those who think
[26:55] Speaker 1: the conversation we have each and every night is like
[26:57] Speaker 1: the ravings of a drunk Each and every night. All right,
[27:00] Speaker 1: break back with more Apparently. Another opinion post says most
[27:03] Speaker 1: people want the value of the house to go down
[27:06] Speaker 1: aid and a morenessing thank you so much for watching it. Reminder,
[27:14] Speaker 1: we are on our way to Armadale in a couple
[27:16] Speaker 1: of weekends time and I cannot wait to be there.
[27:19] Speaker 1: If you would like to join us, please, Donna, I
[27:21] Speaker 1: hope you're going to join us as well next Sunday.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Big shout out to family that are in and around there.
[27:26] Speaker 1: You're welcome anytime. We'll put you in the front road.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Are our town at skynews dot com. Are you ourtown
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[27:33] Speaker 1: next Sunday. And remember that's the start of a massive
[27:35] Speaker 1: week because sky News becomes News twenty four on the
[27:38] Speaker 1: twenty seventh Monday, and then on the Tuesday, the twenty
[27:41] Speaker 1: Eighthe is when we have Pauline Hanson with please explain
[27:44] Speaker 1: in the studio taking questions from both in the studio
[27:48] Speaker 1: and around the country. All right, let's get straight into
[27:50] Speaker 1: it now, carlor score. Remember is with one Nation from
[27:53] Speaker 1: the South Australian Parliament to a man who is not
[27:56] Speaker 1: of the One Nation, Stock but there's many other political faiths,
[27:58] Speaker 1: none of the great Darren Bonnet brother from another mother.
[28:01] Speaker 7: I'm good. I'm four years older than you. Oh and
[28:04] Speaker 7: happy birthday to you, sir.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, thank you. It's very kind. You're twenty one, right.
[28:07] Speaker 7: Again, I'm twenty five.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, forty eight. All right, let's get to it.
[28:11] Speaker 1: So an opinion think an opinion poll today. And I've
[28:14] Speaker 1: got to say again, you know I always love to
[28:16] Speaker 1: show you the poll, show you the polls. There's something
[28:18] Speaker 1: about this question that sits weirdly with me, and it's
[28:23] Speaker 1: this question of do you want house prices to go
[28:25] Speaker 1: up or do you want them to go down? Now again,
[28:27] Speaker 1: the resolve of Political monitor they put it out and
[28:30] Speaker 1: their finding was most people want house pricing to go down. Right.
[28:34] Speaker 1: So if you just are glancing, you see the color
[28:37] Speaker 1: that says total support. You see support for lower house prices.
[28:40] Speaker 1: If you pay attention to the long question, it might
[28:42] Speaker 1: give you an idea of how you get a yes
[28:43] Speaker 1: or a no. But you can see sixty one percent
[28:46] Speaker 1: of all voters, seventy three percent of labor voters, and
[28:49] Speaker 1: of one nation voters fifty five percent. Now, Darren, I'm
[28:53] Speaker 1: going to put this to you. The very same opinion
[28:56] Speaker 1: poll that asked people after the budget, do you support
[28:59] Speaker 1: the stuff happened in the budget? The majority of people
[29:02] Speaker 1: didn't like it, So now they're all turning around and saying, no,
[29:05] Speaker 1: I'm happy for the value of my house to go down.
[29:07] Speaker 1: I think that question changes when it's time for you
[29:09] Speaker 1: to sell your house. You'd love it to be lower
[29:11] Speaker 1: when your kids are going for a joint, but you
[29:14] Speaker 1: want it to be skyigh when you're selling yours.
[29:17] Speaker 7: And I think there's an element of push polling to
[29:19] Speaker 7: it as well. It's about the lead up questions to
[29:22] Speaker 7: what you asked, Oh, you know, Peter and Paul think
[29:25] Speaker 7: this is a rotten budget. What do you think it's terrible?
[29:28] Speaker 7: And then of say, well, this generation you're responsible for
[29:31] Speaker 7: nobody being able to afford a home. What do you
[29:34] Speaker 7: think about house prices? Should they drop a little to
[29:36] Speaker 7: make it more fair so you can get results from
[29:39] Speaker 7: polling that you want. I think people are happy if
[29:41] Speaker 7: price is stabilized, maybe like a tiny drop and I'm
[29:46] Speaker 7: talking one or two percent, but I think anything more
[29:50] Speaker 7: than that you start to see a bit of panicking.
[29:52] Speaker 7: You start to see people holding negative equity in their
[29:55] Speaker 7: homes and they be terrified of that, rightly so.
[29:57] Speaker 1: And that's the fear. And this is again part the
[30:00] Speaker 1: picture that I think needs to be engaged with Again.
[30:04] Speaker 1: Somebody who bought a joint for five percent in the
[30:06] Speaker 1: past twelve months, they're not planning to sell it anytime soon,
[30:09] Speaker 1: but if interest rates keep going up, they may have
[30:11] Speaker 1: to because because they weren't able to get the deposit,
[30:14] Speaker 1: there's not a lot left over in the fifteenth of
[30:16] Speaker 1: every month, so that's where the pressure kicks in. In fact,
[30:18] Speaker 1: can we bring back that graphic because I actually want
[30:20] Speaker 1: to read the question to everyone because I think it
[30:22] Speaker 1: might again tell you why you get the answer right
[30:25] Speaker 1: now yet the first sentence, many housing tax and home
[30:28] Speaker 1: building subsidy Sorry, many housing tax and home building subsidy
[30:32] Speaker 1: measures are designed to reduce house prices. New sentence. Regardless
[30:37] Speaker 1: of your support or opposition to a particular tax or subsidy,
[30:40] Speaker 1: do you support or oppose the objective of bringing down
[30:43] Speaker 1: house prices. It's a long way to get to the obvious,
[30:45] Speaker 1: isn't it right, which is yeah, of course it should
[30:47] Speaker 1: be cheaper for somebody else who has to buy. If
[30:50] Speaker 1: only we had a builder here. Oh hello Carlos, your
[30:52] Speaker 1: thoughts on the reaction here, and again your knowledge of
[30:55] Speaker 1: the house market. I haven't known a person who wants
[30:58] Speaker 1: to sell who's happy to sell for less.
[31:01] Speaker 8: No, you're right, Paul, And oh, by the way, happy
[31:03] Speaker 8: birthday mate.
[31:04] Speaker 1: No, you're right.
[31:05] Speaker 5: I don't think that is the case.
[31:07] Speaker 8: Well, I don't think Australians want is for house prices
[31:09] Speaker 8: to keep increasing exponentially and making it harder for a
[31:13] Speaker 8: younger generation. But there's a lot of things that are
[31:15] Speaker 8: into play there. There's a lot of supply and demand,
[31:17] Speaker 8: there's a lot of bureaucracy, there's a lot of red
[31:19] Speaker 8: and green tape that goes into building a house. I
[31:22] Speaker 8: mean a lot of those things can be removed to
[31:23] Speaker 8: reduce the house prices, especially new builds, but the government's
[31:27] Speaker 8: not interested in that. So until those sort of things
[31:30] Speaker 8: change and we reduce the amount of people and demand
[31:33] Speaker 8: into the country, we're going to have these prices go up.
[31:36] Speaker 8: They may slow down as we've seen, but you don't
[31:38] Speaker 8: want to get into negative equity because I think you're
[31:40] Speaker 8: going to find a lot of people then potentially go
[31:42] Speaker 8: under and that's not good for the country either.
[31:45] Speaker 1: Now, again, it's a detailed story, which means if you're
[31:47] Speaker 1: going to see that on the six pm news, as
[31:49] Speaker 1: if you're going to see that on your clickbait services.
[31:51] Speaker 1: But the Parliamentary Budget Office, which funnily enough, much of
[31:54] Speaker 1: the media is very happy to report on when it's
[31:57] Speaker 1: negative ideas about political parties they don't like, but they
[32:01] Speaker 1: kind of just ignore it when it's about the ones
[32:03] Speaker 1: they do. Parliamentary Budget Office allegedly independent, but we say
[32:07] Speaker 1: allegedly only because if it's got people who work in Canberra,
[32:09] Speaker 1: probably not of the right anyway. They say that there's
[32:13] Speaker 1: an expectation bracket creep is going to lift an extra
[32:16] Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty six billion dollars in taxes. Now, Darren,
[32:19] Speaker 1: if you were giving free advice to the Liberals, and
[32:21] Speaker 1: you never have in your life, this would be the
[32:23] Speaker 1: policy where Angus Taylor comes out and as hard as
[32:26] Speaker 1: he possibly can, says, we have a policy to prevent
[32:30] Speaker 1: what they have designed the system to be, and start
[32:34] Speaker 1: running hard on that.
[32:36] Speaker 7: What do you think he's too busy arguing with one nation,
[32:39] Speaker 7: that's he's stuck naval gazing when he should be creative
[32:43] Speaker 7: about what he's talking about. Look, the Parliamentary Budget office stuff.
[32:48] Speaker 7: They're not the first government to make what we will
[32:50] Speaker 7: politely term heroic assumptions. Paul correct, and you think back
[32:54] Speaker 7: to back in black of name all of them.
[32:56] Speaker 1: That's all I have to do it. I don't go
[32:58] Speaker 1: down there for it anymore.
[32:59] Speaker 7: For this very re so that part of it is
[33:01] Speaker 7: not overly surprising. And there's lots of reductions in spending,
[33:07] Speaker 7: particularly on NDEs. We don't know whether that will happen
[33:10] Speaker 7: or not. But look, people, the budget has washed through.
[33:14] Speaker 7: I think it is interesting what you said before that
[33:16] Speaker 7: people are now talking about house prices rather than the
[33:20] Speaker 7: individual components of the package. So with the best part
[33:25] Speaker 7: of two years to go to an election, the dust
[33:28] Speaker 7: has not settled and we don't know what the landscape
[33:32] Speaker 7: will be. But Angus Taylor, I think he's involved in
[33:35] Speaker 7: fights that perhaps he'd be wise to try to avoid.
[33:38] Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean I know that it's the message
[33:40] Speaker 1: they're going for, because they've literally printed up the signs
[33:42] Speaker 1: about you know, the acts, the toxic tax, all that stuff, right,
[33:45] Speaker 1: But I mean again, Cols, it's not for you to
[33:47] Speaker 1: give free advice to the Liberal Party, but I'm saying
[33:49] Speaker 1: that of all the things we heard about at the budget.
[33:51] Speaker 1: After the budget, the single most popular thing was this
[33:54] Speaker 1: let's get rid of bracket group right. I think if
[33:56] Speaker 1: more people heard from one nation about the family tax
[33:59] Speaker 1: issues as well and the income splitting, that too would
[34:02] Speaker 1: go through the roof. But part of the way the
[34:04] Speaker 1: Camberpress gallery works and we saw this the way they
[34:06] Speaker 1: played it with Dutton, right, which is only keep you
[34:09] Speaker 1: guys on the defensive, never get on the offensive, because
[34:11] Speaker 1: god forbid, if you're on the offensive, you might end
[34:13] Speaker 1: up winning.
[34:14] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
[34:15] Speaker 8: Look, there's a lot of things that I'm seeing from
[34:18] Speaker 8: the fallout of this budget. A lot of people are
[34:21] Speaker 8: coming to me. I'm in Port Lincoln at the moment,
[34:23] Speaker 8: being walking around the street speaking of business owners.
[34:25] Speaker 5: There's a lot of concern about.
[34:27] Speaker 8: Which way we're going or where the economy is going,
[34:30] Speaker 8: and that uncertainty is not good for small business, especially
[34:33] Speaker 8: in the regions like I'm traveling the regions currently and
[34:36] Speaker 8: the regions I believe in South Australia from me too,
[34:39] Speaker 8: the economic powerhouse. If we slow down the regions, all
[34:42] Speaker 8: the confidence dries up, the farming sector, the fishing sector,
[34:46] Speaker 8: everything just starts to fall in a heap. I just
[34:49] Speaker 8: don't think the budget has hit the mark and I
[34:51] Speaker 8: don't think that this is going to settle anytime soon.
[34:53] Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something horrific that was came
[34:56] Speaker 1: out of the inquiry into the CFMAU in Queensland that
[35:00] Speaker 1: the former boss of the building industry in Queensland admitted
[35:04] Speaker 1: that he attempted to take his own life after a
[35:07] Speaker 1: protest had been focused on him. We're, among other things,
[35:11] Speaker 1: somebody was holding up a coffin and clearly there was
[35:16] Speaker 1: a lot of pressure being put on him at the time.
[35:18] Speaker 1: I'm going to save you from his name because again,
[35:20] Speaker 1: thankfully strength and love means he's still here and he
[35:23] Speaker 1: has the bravery to step into the witness box today
[35:26] Speaker 1: and to give evidence here. This is one of those things, Darren,
[35:30] Speaker 1: where it doesn't matter how many times we hear it
[35:32] Speaker 1: and how many examples of it. All normal people agree
[35:34] Speaker 1: that this is a terrible amount of pressure that can
[35:37] Speaker 1: be delivered in somebody's direction, let alone the corruption in Victoria.
[35:43] Speaker 1: Yet nothing changes because it's considered that it's too hard
[35:46] Speaker 1: to change or I don't know why, But what did
[35:49] Speaker 1: you think of today?
[35:50] Speaker 7: I read that same story and it's appalling and it's disturbing. Really,
[35:57] Speaker 7: I think the rally would have been sort of the
[36:00] Speaker 7: culmination of it's the coercive tactics and pressure that's put
[36:05] Speaker 7: on elsewhere. I don't think that coercive pressure is limited
[36:10] Speaker 7: to the construction sector. I think that there are lots
[36:13] Speaker 7: of tough industries out there where there are competing sides
[36:17] Speaker 7: who play to win and play to win one hundred percent.
[36:21] Speaker 7: But I do feel sorry for this fellow who he's
[36:24] Speaker 7: obviously been through a really difficult time and it's made
[36:30] Speaker 7: a big difference to the way he lived his life.
[36:31] Speaker 1: And again I mean Carlos, it's something that is deeply personal,
[36:35] Speaker 1: but again particularly brave of somebody to be willing to
[36:38] Speaker 1: talk about. But again, the pressure when you go up
[36:40] Speaker 1: against the CFMU. Again, you're a builder, you've seen it,
[36:44] Speaker 1: you know, either in your own life or certainly heard
[36:46] Speaker 1: about it on bigger sites. I mean, what's it like
[36:49] Speaker 1: to go up against these people. It's not pretty.
[36:53] Speaker 5: They are rogue.
[36:54] Speaker 8: There's some criminal elements there by keys and the rest
[36:58] Speaker 8: of it. But what I'd say to any member of
[37:00] Speaker 8: the CMU when you're ripping off, you know, and you're
[37:03] Speaker 8: making all that money and you think, you laugh, and
[37:05] Speaker 8: you're actually stealing from your fellow Australian. Like that tax
[37:09] Speaker 8: has to come from somewhere. It's not the government. The
[37:11] Speaker 8: government doesn't make money. They tax the people. So you're
[37:14] Speaker 8: actually ripping off your fellow Australian. And that's what I
[37:16] Speaker 8: think is the worst part of this whole situation. But
[37:19] Speaker 8: the CFM, you definitely does need to be rained in.
[37:22] Speaker 8: I know they're going to be starting up here in
[37:24] Speaker 8: South Australia and we're just going to do what we
[37:25] Speaker 8: can to hold back. But Victoria's a basket case. But
[37:28] Speaker 8: I would plead with any member of any union just
[37:30] Speaker 8: remember someone has to pick up the bill, and it's
[37:33] Speaker 8: not the government, it's the tax payer.
[37:34] Speaker 1: Apparently tomorrow the Prime Minister is going to make some
[37:37] Speaker 1: big speech about regulating AI. Now I don't really know
[37:40] Speaker 1: what that means in terms of how the Australian government
[37:43] Speaker 1: would do it. Obviously, most if not all, of these
[37:47] Speaker 1: platforms are international based, but it's very different than social
[37:51] Speaker 1: media because of course it's been used for a whole
[37:53] Speaker 1: bunch of other applications. But Darren in we heard from
[37:57] Speaker 1: Ed Husick who previously when he was in the industry
[38:00] Speaker 1: was very clear about AI, about its potentials, his area
[38:03] Speaker 1: and its threats. Yeah, this was his expertise. He's out
[38:06] Speaker 1: and about saying, hey, let's be really careful here that
[38:08] Speaker 1: we're not going to fiddle with copyright. So, for example,
[38:10] Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to ask insert AI device, please
[38:15] Speaker 1: make a picture that looks like a insert cartoon right,
[38:19] Speaker 1: because of course it's a cartoon that would have like Bluey. Right.
[38:23] Speaker 1: Blue is an Australian Australian property and they shouldn't be
[38:27] Speaker 1: able to replicate something that looks like blue without the
[38:30] Speaker 1: Bluey people's permission. That's a very cheap way.
[38:32] Speaker 7: But it's also if you'll say, a journalist that the
[38:37] Speaker 7: AI generator will use your material to build up its
[38:41] Speaker 7: knowledge base, but you will not be rewarded for that
[38:44] Speaker 7: in any way. And it's not just adhusic and sort
[38:47] Speaker 7: of the media entertainment arts. It's the head of Microsoft
[38:51] Speaker 7: said the same thing in the US in the last
[38:53] Speaker 7: forty eight hours. It's not just a worker thing, but
[38:57] Speaker 7: jobs that could be replaced by AI. Is some in
[39:00] Speaker 7: the government needs to think about whether it's labor liberal
[39:02] Speaker 7: or whoever. And I think guards have said on different prerier.
[39:06] Speaker 7: But Malcolm Turner when he said the word innovation in
[39:08] Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, a midion blue collar votes said a robot's
[39:11] Speaker 7: coming from my job, and rightly so. But this time
[39:14] Speaker 7: the AI it's going to be lawyer's accountants. It's not
[39:18] Speaker 7: just your old blue collar jobs. It's a lot of
[39:21] Speaker 7: different parts of the economy that historically have not been
[39:26] Speaker 7: impacted by technological change. And there is a leadership role
[39:30] Speaker 7: for government to provide security to people that they're not
[39:34] Speaker 7: going to be replaced overnight, and just provide some leadership
[39:38] Speaker 7: and provide that long term, just keep people confident that
[39:43] Speaker 7: they're going to still be participants in the workforce. I
[39:45] Speaker 7: actually think it's it's not going to be a huge
[39:47] Speaker 7: policy speech, but as a directional speech, I actually think
[39:51] Speaker 7: it's a really important part of how the next ten
[39:53] Speaker 7: years look for how people live their lives.
[39:55] Speaker 2: Well.
[39:55] Speaker 1: Also, I'm going to be fascinated to see about how
[39:57] Speaker 1: deep is the conversation. Does he get or does he
[40:00] Speaker 1: think that it's like the social media band, it's one
[40:02] Speaker 1: of those things look at us appearing to do appearing
[40:06] Speaker 1: and like the Telstra thing, what is it that they
[40:08] Speaker 1: now have to face the music which is Sarah Hanson
[40:10] Speaker 1: young looking at if it starts.
[40:12] Speaker 7: As a union conversation and that's how it'll be written up,
[40:14] Speaker 7: union protecting it. But it's not just unionized jobs. This
[40:17] Speaker 7: is everybody, all.
[40:19] Speaker 1: Right, Lad's do appreciate it. We look forward to talking
[40:21] Speaker 1: to you very soon and speaking of all matters to
[40:23] Speaker 1: do with technology and Telstra mate. Trevorlong joins us in
[40:26] Speaker 1: a moment or two time. Because you know how international
[40:28] Speaker 1: roaming where you can take your phone around the world
[40:30] Speaker 1: and it works well. Imagine if the same system worked
[40:33] Speaker 1: here where if btaphone, Optus or Telstra went down, your
[40:36] Speaker 1: phone would still keep working. National roaming. But Trevor next
[40:46] Speaker 1: Travelong is the great man who we love talking to
[40:48] Speaker 1: about technology. His website is e FTMFTM dot com or
[40:52] Speaker 1: e FtM dot com. That are you either way, we'll
[40:54] Speaker 1: get you to his website and of course you can
[40:56] Speaker 1: hear him in lots of different places. Great podcast he
[40:58] Speaker 1: does as well, follow him on tea talk of I
[41:00] Speaker 1: plugged him enough. He's a great man and he joins
[41:02] Speaker 1: us right now. Trevor, lovely to see you now. You
[41:05] Speaker 1: of course we were texting a little bit earlier this week,
[41:09] Speaker 1: right which is this concept of national roaming right because
[41:12] Speaker 1: obviously to avoid this scenario of oh my god, Telstra's
[41:16] Speaker 1: gone down, what are we going to do the same
[41:18] Speaker 1: way that when you arrive in America, your phone works,
[41:22] Speaker 1: and then you go to a different part of America
[41:24] Speaker 1: and it goes to a different network, or if anyone's
[41:26] Speaker 1: gone to Europe, all of the different changes. Could that
[41:29] Speaker 1: happen here? And why doesn't it happen here? Yes? It could.
[41:36] Speaker 4: Technically, the reason it doesn't is because ten years ago
[41:40] Speaker 4: the a triple see and remind ourselves Australian Competition and
[41:43] Speaker 4: Consumer Commission decided that it wasn't in the interest of consumers.
[41:48] Speaker 4: They essentially sided with Telstra, who said that it would
[41:51] Speaker 4: restrict their growth regionally. They wouldn't invest in new towers
[41:55] Speaker 4: if everyone had the same network coverage, so they believed
[41:58] Speaker 4: it would take away they competitive which would Optis and
[42:02] Speaker 4: TPG Votaphone believe that it would create competitive advantage for
[42:05] Speaker 4: customers because essentially you could sign up to any mobile
[42:08] Speaker 4: plan and know that you could get coverage anywhere there's
[42:11] Speaker 4: a tower. Now it's been ten years, Paul, so the
[42:14] Speaker 4: horses kind of bolted and we now have a set
[42:16] Speaker 4: of rules and restrictions in place in the way the
[42:19] Speaker 4: government allocates spectrum, so the airwaves that the mobile networks use,
[42:23] Speaker 4: that's quite restrictive in how much space the telcos have
[42:28] Speaker 4: up in the air. And so the problem right now
[42:30] Speaker 4: is actually would it work technically today, because if Telstra
[42:34] Speaker 4: goes down and ten million people or more their phones
[42:38] Speaker 4: go on to Optus or Votaphone, Telstra argues that would
[42:42] Speaker 4: probably crash those other networks. Optis and TPG probably look
[42:45] Speaker 4: at it from a perspective of saying, look, I think
[42:48] Speaker 4: we could probably handle it, but we'd need the rules
[42:50] Speaker 4: to change on spectrum. So basically the government would need
[42:52] Speaker 4: to change so much about how they allocate spectrum and
[42:55] Speaker 4: use spectrum that I just don't see it ever happening.
[42:58] Speaker 4: And while I respect A can the people that are
[43:01] Speaker 4: pushing this in many ways, I think the horses bolted Paul,
[43:05] Speaker 4: the able C voted against it, and it's their fault
[43:07] Speaker 4: that we don't have it. So we should be having
[43:09] Speaker 4: inquiry if we want into why the A Triple C
[43:12] Speaker 4: denied consumers true competition ten years ago, and it would
[43:16] Speaker 4: have changed the game.
[43:17] Speaker 1: Great point, but I mean it surely. I mean, is
[43:19] Speaker 1: it possible to be able to say that. Okay, look,
[43:21] Speaker 1: I understand the logic here, right, which is, you know,
[43:24] Speaker 1: if Paul Corp. Was offering a mobile phone service that went, Okay,
[43:29] Speaker 1: we'll take care of you in the city. But the
[43:30] Speaker 1: second you're ten k's out of it, oh bugget or
[43:33] Speaker 1: just click over to the system that exists. Your tells
[43:37] Speaker 1: is the one that tells, the one that's got to
[43:38] Speaker 1: do all the way. I understand that logic, right. However,
[43:41] Speaker 1: what we're talking about here is these moments of national shutdown, right,
[43:46] Speaker 1: So could it be a system where again, if you're
[43:48] Speaker 1: trying to move ten million people at once, that's a problem.
[43:50] Speaker 1: But maybe you turn around and say, well, okay, after
[43:53] Speaker 1: one hour of disruption, you're able to move x percentage
[43:57] Speaker 1: of people. Like there's a way to manage the load
[44:01] Speaker 1: in an emergency.
[44:03] Speaker 4: I think, broadly speaking, technically, yes, but I would argue
[44:08] Speaker 4: that our resources are better spent making sure that the
[44:11] Speaker 4: thing that we're really concerned about here, let's not beat
[44:14] Speaker 4: around the bush. We want people about to call triple zero. Frankly,
[44:17] Speaker 4: it doesn't matter that I can't call my brother. He
[44:19] Speaker 4: doesn't care anyway. So he can wait until tomorrow, right,
[44:22] Speaker 4: so those calls can wait. We need people to be
[44:24] Speaker 4: able to call Triple zero. So what we need to
[44:26] Speaker 4: do is strengthen that system. We need to avoid at
[44:30] Speaker 4: all costs Sarah Hanson Young spending hours on Friday grilling
[44:34] Speaker 4: Telstra about Triple zero, when in fact they should be
[44:36] Speaker 4: talking about the broader picture, in the future picture, Because
[44:40] Speaker 4: what if you're international rhaming, So I'm going to London
[44:42] Speaker 4: next week, in my phone, when I make a call,
[44:44] Speaker 4: it doesn't just connect because the phone takes a bit
[44:47] Speaker 4: of time to find the local network, workout how it's
[44:50] Speaker 4: going to make that call.
[44:51] Speaker 1: The same thing happens today.
[44:53] Speaker 4: Remember, we do have a system where when Telstra goes down,
[44:56] Speaker 4: your phone will use Optus and Votaphone. But as I
[44:58] Speaker 4: said to you last week, we all need to understand,
[45:01] Speaker 4: it doesn't happen instantly. So we're probably better off improving
[45:04] Speaker 4: that system and refining that system and making triple zero frankly,
[45:09] Speaker 4: more reliable and faster and what comms they call multimodal.
[45:13] Speaker 4: So we should be able to text message triple zero,
[45:16] Speaker 4: like that's what's the real thing here is we should
[45:19] Speaker 4: and a text message could go through using the camp
[45:22] Speaker 4: on system when an emergency happens, and you'll use a
[45:25] Speaker 4: different network. So, Paul, I love domestic roaming. I was
[45:28] Speaker 4: a huge advocate for it teen years ago, but I
[45:30] Speaker 4: think the horse has bolted and we should focus on
[45:33] Speaker 4: getting Triple zero to work effectively. And that requires politicians
[45:38] Speaker 4: to get out of the way and a bunch of
[45:40] Speaker 4: really great people to get in a room Apple, Samsung,
[45:42] Speaker 4: telco's and government and Triple zero emergency services to say
[45:46] Speaker 4: we've got the consumer, we've got triple zero, how do
[45:49] Speaker 4: we connect them best for twenty twenty six. That's what
[45:52] Speaker 4: should be happening today.
[45:53] Speaker 1: Yes, very well, put right is that let's look for
[45:55] Speaker 1: the four KAK twelve K solution, not talk about se
[46:00] Speaker 1: issues I would think as a way of talking about
[46:02] Speaker 1: ten years ago. But just briefly here again you mentioned
[46:05] Speaker 1: about Friday, and again I'm just the show trial of
[46:07] Speaker 1: all of it. I'm not interested in, right, why were
[46:09] Speaker 1: you on holidays? How long did it take it? Again?
[46:11] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Machines break, that's what happens,
[46:14] Speaker 1: all right. What is one question that you would love
[46:18] Speaker 1: them to actually engage with where it's got a bit
[46:20] Speaker 1: of a preview of it then, But what is something
[46:22] Speaker 1: that if you've got these people around a room, you'd
[46:25] Speaker 1: like them to actually talk about.
[46:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we should be digging into the numbers
[46:31] Speaker 4: that Tellstra had. That's six hundred people triple zero calls.
[46:34] Speaker 4: I want to know the details of every single one
[46:37] Speaker 4: of those because I want to know how many of
[46:39] Speaker 4: them were truly a risk, truly problematic. So yeah, I
[46:44] Speaker 4: think the simple thing is what would you do to
[46:46] Speaker 4: improve triple zero? Just ask everyone that everyone, including device manufacturers,
[46:52] Speaker 4: ask them what they would do to improve triple zero
[46:54] Speaker 4: because in the end, every time a network goes down,
[46:57] Speaker 4: that's the headline, is triple zero working? How many people
[47:00] Speaker 4: couldn't call? That's the real issue. So let's focus on
[47:03] Speaker 4: that and let's make it better. And mate, if it
[47:06] Speaker 4: takes a deckode, it's a disgrace. It should be something
[47:09] Speaker 4: that is actioned and in process by early next year.
[47:12] Speaker 4: We should be planning it and dedicating budget money to
[47:15] Speaker 4: it next year.
[47:16] Speaker 1: Good Man EFTM is his website, Go find it. Follow
[47:19] Speaker 1: Trevorlong on all the socials is good Man? Love you brother,
[47:21] Speaker 1: took you soon, Happy birthday, lovey, Thank you lovey. There
[47:25] Speaker 1: he is the cap allot joining us from his mancave
[47:29] Speaker 1: to mind. Thank you mate, I do appreciate it, all right. Ah,
[47:31] Speaker 1: that's very nice of you. All right, quick break back
[47:33] Speaker 1: with more here on Paul Murray Live. Yeah, I don't
[47:36] Speaker 1: cover up the beard anymore. Just be forty eight. Just
[47:38] Speaker 1: enjoy it, gen x while at heart and one day
[47:42] Speaker 1: I'll get to wear a cowboy hat on TV. Hey
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[48:16] Speaker 1: is on the show tomorrow night, and we've got to
[48:18] Speaker 1: talk about some of the crazy reaction to the American
[48:21] Speaker 1: politician Lindsey Graham passing away. Now, Lindsey Graham was hardcore
[48:26] Speaker 1: pro war, neocon all the rest of it. But when
[48:29] Speaker 1: somebody dies, what is it about these lunatics that turn
[48:34] Speaker 1: around and effectively dance on the grave. If you don't
[48:37] Speaker 1: have anything to say, don't say anything at all, or
[48:38] Speaker 1: maybe you don't need to say anything at all. Obviously,
[48:41] Speaker 1: sort of, the modern world and social medias turned everyone
[48:44] Speaker 1: into the pope, where whenever anything happens, we've got to
[48:46] Speaker 1: release a statement. When you don't have something nice to
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