# Paul Murray Live | 23 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Mar 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/18ed7361-b84d-48ca-8b9f-b41600b94ffb/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Labor dances around Australia's fuel supply issues, Iran war is at a perilous inflection point. Plus, One Nation likely to gain more seats. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the signing center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray live. Thank you, Erry, Happy Monday.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Come on into the man k. We've got a lot
[0:09] Speaker 2: to do and a lot to do tonight on a
[0:11] Speaker 2: no SOOKX no left these nights, so no excuses, be
[0:14] Speaker 2: here for the whole hour. Yes, petrol prices, they continue
[0:17] Speaker 2: to be high. They will continue to be high for
[0:20] Speaker 2: many weeks to go, even if everything in a round
[0:22] Speaker 2: stop tomorrow. But we all know that's not going to
[0:24] Speaker 2: be the case. Currently ten two dollars thirty seven E
[0:28] Speaker 2: ninety one or sorry, unleaded ninety one two dollars forty
[0:31] Speaker 2: eight and diesel which used to be cheaper than both
[0:34] Speaker 2: well and truly above I know those prices a little higher,
[0:36] Speaker 2: a little lower, depending on where you live. Well, what
[0:37] Speaker 2: about our mates in New Zealand? Stories around today that
[0:41] Speaker 2: petrol has already gone past three dollars a liter, And
[0:44] Speaker 2: just before I went on in I had to look
[0:45] Speaker 2: at the New Zealand Herald that says parts of Auckland
[0:48] Speaker 2: are running out and there are even places in New
[0:50] Speaker 2: Zealand that are now charging four dollars a liter for petrol.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Of course, the Prime Minister says, nothing to see here,
[0:57] Speaker 2: nothing to be worried about because he's having meetings.
[1:01] Speaker 3: We are visited today by the head of the International
[1:05] Speaker 3: Energy Agency. I look forward to meeting with him after
[1:08] Speaker 3: our question time today, and we're having a series of
[1:12] Speaker 3: meetings as well with our international partners.
[1:18] Speaker 2: And then of course the Treasurer today getting ready for his
[1:20] Speaker 2: own budget in a few weeks time, where yet again
[1:24] Speaker 2: kissed by the rainbow of news events, rather than having
[1:27] Speaker 2: to be held accountable for his own misdeeds inside the economy.
[1:30] Speaker 2: With an inflation rate higher in Australia than the United States,
[1:34] Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, even New Zealand and double that of Japan,
[1:38] Speaker 2: managedstrates went up in February and then again in March.
[1:41] Speaker 2: This is what he was trying to say, to feel
[1:44] Speaker 2: your pain.
[1:45] Speaker 4: We know that Australians are feeling the pressure at the
[1:49] Speaker 4: petrol pump.
[1:50] Speaker 2: Really, so why do you keep increasing taxes on them?
[1:55] Speaker 2: Now often you'll hear people say that it's about fifty
[1:57] Speaker 2: cents a lead. Well, guess what, it's actually fifty two
[2:01] Speaker 2: cents e liter in tax. Because I was checking this
[2:04] Speaker 2: today to work out when the next one is going
[2:07] Speaker 2: to be due. Well, the first of February is when
[2:11] Speaker 2: they made the change from fifty one cents in the
[2:13] Speaker 2: dollar to now fifty two cents in the dollar. There
[2:17] Speaker 2: will be another decision which will come between now and September.
[2:22] Speaker 2: But Treasurer, if only you were the bloke who could
[2:26] Speaker 2: do something about it on one level, freeze it at
[2:29] Speaker 2: fifty two cents in the dollar, or just perhaps you
[2:34] Speaker 2: could get rid of part of it or all of
[2:35] Speaker 2: it until the war is over, if you truly care
[2:40] Speaker 2: about people's pain. But no, no, of course you get
[2:42] Speaker 2: to tax, and then you of course have the GST
[2:45] Speaker 2: on top of so. While the rate of fifty two
[2:48] Speaker 2: cents e liter is static regardless of what the price is,
[2:52] Speaker 2: if the overall price goes from one hundred dollars a
[2:56] Speaker 2: tank to one hundred and fifty dollars a tank, guess
[2:58] Speaker 2: what increases your share when it comes to the GST.
[3:03] Speaker 2: You could, of course say maybe no GST on petrol
[3:05] Speaker 2: until the war is over. That would truly be feeling
[3:08] Speaker 2: people's pain. But of course we both know there is
[3:10] Speaker 2: no interest in that whatsoever. The decision will be made
[3:13] Speaker 2: between now and September whether they increase it again, and
[3:16] Speaker 2: they'll increase it again. But a reminder when the government
[3:19] Speaker 2: says they're doing everything they can, they are not. Why
[3:23] Speaker 2: because they are taking fifty two sense of every leader
[3:28] Speaker 2: that you put into the car, plus the GST that's
[3:31] Speaker 2: on top of it, all the tax on top of attax.
[3:34] Speaker 2: I thought they were illegal, but no, the system always
[3:37] Speaker 2: works for those who want to spend other people's money.
[3:41] Speaker 2: As for Casanova Bowen, the Energy Minister, the climate change minister,
[3:47] Speaker 2: he was asked a byther pointed question today from the opposition,
[3:50] Speaker 2: which was how many petrol stations are running out of
[3:52] Speaker 2: fuel now? He kind of tried to spin this as well.
[3:56] Speaker 2: When you compare it to the total number of petrol stations,
[3:58] Speaker 2: it's not that much. Just want to remind everyone we
[4:01] Speaker 2: are more than a quarter of the way through the
[4:02] Speaker 2: twenty first century in a country that should be able
[4:06] Speaker 2: to be fuel sufficient, self sufficient, but no, we rely
[4:11] Speaker 2: on what comes largely different places like Singapore. Hence why
[4:14] Speaker 2: they're trying to do a deal with their Prime minister
[4:17] Speaker 2: right now. But of course all of that comes from
[4:19] Speaker 2: the Middle East and we all know what's going on
[4:20] Speaker 2: there and what will be going on for some time
[4:22] Speaker 2: to come. So again, while the numbers are small compared
[4:27] Speaker 2: to the overall number of petrol stations. He's out there
[4:30] Speaker 2: sort of like it's a good thing. This is how
[4:32] Speaker 2: many petrol stations in the States have no fuel.
[4:37] Speaker 5: How many service stations in Australia have run out of fuel.
[4:41] Speaker 4: In New South Wales at the moment, it's thirty seven
[4:43] Speaker 4: out of a total of twenty four hundred and forty
[4:46] Speaker 4: four service stations. In Queensland, it's forty seven outlets with
[4:50] Speaker 4: no diesel, thirty two with no regular unleaded out of
[4:53] Speaker 4: just over one eight hundred service stations. In Victoria, at
[4:57] Speaker 4: the end of last week we saw one hundred and
[4:59] Speaker 4: nine outlets with one or more grades unavailable. Is how
[5:02] Speaker 4: the Victorian government collects that information. Today's update is around
[5:06] Speaker 4: fifty stations out of diesel. I have further updates for
[5:09] Speaker 4: Western Australia, more by supplier than service station. But I
[5:12] Speaker 4: am pleased to say, and I've been speaking to some
[5:15] Speaker 4: Western Australian members opposite about this, that we are seeing
[5:19] Speaker 4: more fuel flow in Western Australia and those numbers come down.
[5:22] Speaker 2: So give 'll take one hundred and eighty service stations
[5:25] Speaker 2: around the country, just give or take, But compared to
[5:27] Speaker 2: the thousands and thousands. Nothing to see here, it's where
[5:30] Speaker 2: those service stations are. Those service stations, of course, are
[5:34] Speaker 2: the ones that are furthest from the great Mountain of
[5:37] Speaker 2: bs that is Capitol Hill in Canberra. And while it
[5:41] Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you are a government MP or a
[5:45] Speaker 2: minister who gets driven around, you don't care how they
[5:48] Speaker 2: feel that car. And you of course have your choice
[5:50] Speaker 2: of whether you can have an electric car or one
[5:52] Speaker 2: of the evil combustion engine cars if you are somebody
[5:57] Speaker 2: who drives around their electorate or to and from Canberra.
[6:00] Speaker 2: But the reality is is that the people who are
[6:02] Speaker 2: absolutely getting screwed are the truckies and the transport industry
[6:06] Speaker 2: right now. And I know that they don't care because
[6:09] Speaker 2: of course the only people they care about are the
[6:11] Speaker 2: big trucking companies. Why because they have deals with the
[6:14] Speaker 2: Transport Workers union. But it's the small business. And remember
[6:18] Speaker 2: on this show it's about small business. Why because this
[6:22] Speaker 2: show is about people who go out and try to
[6:24] Speaker 2: do it for themselves. I admire any and everyone with
[6:28] Speaker 2: an ABN in this country who is out and about
[6:31] Speaker 2: either earning for themselves or has built something where they
[6:33] Speaker 2: can employ someone else, because it means you don't have
[6:37] Speaker 2: your hand out. You are not part of that triangle
[6:39] Speaker 2: of dependence where either you love the teat of government
[6:43] Speaker 2: for welfare, you're connected to it at the hip because
[6:47] Speaker 2: you work for it, or your business the biggest customer
[6:51] Speaker 2: is the government. Small business, medium business, and yes, big
[6:53] Speaker 2: business that all go out and do it on their own.
[6:56] Speaker 2: That's who I'm about, that's who you're about, and that's
[6:58] Speaker 2: the life that you're either living or I have lived
[7:00] Speaker 2: for so long. But there's also a little detail, and
[7:04] Speaker 2: I've got to say thank you to the ABC for
[7:06] Speaker 2: reporting this, because while the war is three weeks old,
[7:12] Speaker 2: the issue of what would happen if Australia ever had
[7:14] Speaker 2: a problem when it came to access of petrol is
[7:17] Speaker 2: one that the government's known about for some time. Why, because,
[7:21] Speaker 2: believe it or not, they did a simulation, a wargame
[7:24] Speaker 2: about something exactly like this. Months before the Iran War
[7:29] Speaker 2: shuttered global oil exports, a report warned the federal government
[7:33] Speaker 2: of a severe economic impact if a fuel supply crisis hit.
[7:39] Speaker 2: The report was unearthed by the ABC during a freedom
[7:42] Speaker 2: of information request into the National Emergency Management Agency. So
[7:48] Speaker 2: let's be very clear here right now. Obviously, all governments
[7:53] Speaker 2: for a long period of time have been told of
[7:55] Speaker 2: you don't have ninety days, supply you don't have enough.
[7:57] Speaker 2: We've had the absurdity a previous government saying, well, we've
[8:01] Speaker 2: got access to it, but it's not physically here, it's
[8:03] Speaker 2: somewhere else. We have the added absurdity of this government
[8:07] Speaker 2: trying to tell us that there was no crisis and
[8:09] Speaker 2: it's everyone who went to Bunnings and it's you, the
[8:13] Speaker 2: poor bugger running the small business who well, you should
[8:17] Speaker 2: have planned for this. Don't know the government should have
[8:19] Speaker 2: planned for this because the government was in a scenario
[8:23] Speaker 2: where they were testing exactly this situation. The question for
[8:27] Speaker 2: the government is, upon the completion of this exercise, did
[8:34] Speaker 2: the government increase and dramatically increase the amount of fuel
[8:38] Speaker 2: that we had in Australia in our reserves. I'd be
[8:42] Speaker 2: fascinated to know what the answer is, because if old
[8:45] Speaker 2: golden fingers Casanova Bowen can give you the specific information
[8:51] Speaker 2: because it works for him to tell you right down
[8:53] Speaker 2: to the petrol station and which pump works and which
[8:56] Speaker 2: pump doesn't. Could he tell us how much it Australia
[9:00] Speaker 2: add to this strategic oil reserve in the month prior
[9:03] Speaker 2: to Iran. What about two months, three months, six months,
[9:06] Speaker 2: one year, two years. Now, you see, he'll turn around,
[9:09] Speaker 2: he'll turn that into a well. But the liberals, no, no, no,
[9:11] Speaker 2: you're in charge, made even in charge for four years.
[9:14] Speaker 2: And the only way we know about this is through
[9:16] Speaker 2: the freedom of information process. And I know that I
[9:19] Speaker 2: have bored some people silly by talking about freedom of
[9:22] Speaker 2: information and the government's attempts to try to silence it,
[9:25] Speaker 2: try to change it. Well, this is the only way
[9:28] Speaker 2: you can get information. The government doesn't want you to know.
[9:31] Speaker 2: If the government had its way, no one would know that.
[9:34] Speaker 2: They literally war gained a scenario like the one we
[9:39] Speaker 2: are in now months before the one we are in
[9:43] Speaker 2: right now, and seemingly it did nothing. Let me continue here.
[9:47] Speaker 2: From their reporting, it was May of last year. The
[9:51] Speaker 2: three hundred and fourteen government agencies industry partners are not
[9:54] Speaker 2: for profit organizations took part in the National Emergency Management
[9:58] Speaker 2: Agency exercise to war Game a response to a disaster.
[10:02] Speaker 2: According to the report, industry representatives who took part in
[10:05] Speaker 2: the exercise last year warned of severe economic impact. Now again,
[10:11] Speaker 2: you did not have to be part of this exercise
[10:13] Speaker 2: or to be the Energy minist or or to be
[10:14] Speaker 2: somebody working for an oil company to work out that
[10:17] Speaker 2: if Australia got cut off, we don't have much left.
[10:22] Speaker 2: If Australia was in a scenario where it starts to
[10:25] Speaker 2: be squeezed by suppliers in Southeast Asia and by what
[10:31] Speaker 2: is happening in the Middle East, then guess what the
[10:33] Speaker 2: supply starts to titan When the government did this, what
[10:39] Speaker 2: was their response, What was the response of the minister.
[10:43] Speaker 2: Why was this exercise not made public? Why does it
[10:47] Speaker 2: take the ABC to fill out the paperwork to be
[10:51] Speaker 2: able to get the information about who knew what and
[10:54] Speaker 2: when they war gamed this scenario between May of last
[10:59] Speaker 2: year and when the first bomb dropped three weeks ago,
[11:04] Speaker 2: how many leters and what percentage did the Australian strategic
[11:10] Speaker 2: oil supply increase by? I would be fascinated to know.
[11:17] Speaker 2: Let's see what happens in question time tomorrow. More importantly,
[11:20] Speaker 2: let's see what happens in centered estimates. And even if
[11:23] Speaker 2: we have to wait a long long time, may freedom
[11:25] Speaker 2: of information finally be used to get that information out.
[11:30] Speaker 2: They knew that what we would live through right now
[11:33] Speaker 2: is what we are living through right now what did
[11:34] Speaker 2: they do? I hope tomorrow night I get to turn
[11:37] Speaker 2: around and tell you they did everything they could. But
[11:40] Speaker 2: what do you think they really did? This subject, and
[11:44] Speaker 2: one of the best in the business is on it
[11:45] Speaker 2: for a special program which is coming up here on
[11:47] Speaker 2: Sky News in the next few days. It is about
[11:48] Speaker 2: Australia's fuel crisis. Chrisyrman, he holds no punches here. Sunday Night,
[11:54] Speaker 2: seven thirty. Sunday Night seven thirty. Sunday Night seven thirty,
[11:57] Speaker 2: All eyes, all ears, all attentions. Sunday Night, seven thirty
[12:01] Speaker 2: Chris Yulman with the inside word on this situation, which
[12:04] Speaker 2: is only going to get worse before it gets better.
[12:08] Speaker 2: You may will have noticed that Donald Trump has made
[12:10] Speaker 2: it very clear that things are about to escalate in Iran.
[12:15] Speaker 6: President Donald Trump says Iran has forty eight hours to
[12:18] Speaker 6: reopen the key straight of horror moves or else face
[12:21] Speaker 6: major repercussions.
[12:22] Speaker 7: Donald Trump starts the clock on a frightening forty eight
[12:25] Speaker 7: hour ultimated.
[12:26] Speaker 2: Donald Trump gave the regime forty eight hours to reopen
[12:30] Speaker 2: the strait of hor moves. All right, you've heard the
[12:32] Speaker 2: time is what matters here. Let me read from the
[12:34] Speaker 2: truth social and the time stamp that is on it
[12:36] Speaker 2: that tells us just how long this time is. At
[12:42] Speaker 2: quarter to eleven yesterday is when the message comes out.
[12:47] Speaker 2: It means at a quarter to eleven Australian Eastern daylight time.
[12:50] Speaker 2: That is the two days that is when we will
[12:53] Speaker 2: find out what is the response from Iran, what is
[12:55] Speaker 2: the response from the United States? Because if Iran does
[12:58] Speaker 2: not fully open with the straight of Humus within forty
[13:01] Speaker 2: eight hours that is ten forty four in Sydney, Melbourne
[13:06] Speaker 2: and camberd to morrow, an hour earlier in Queensland, do
[13:10] Speaker 2: the sums on South Australia and everywhere else the United
[13:14] Speaker 2: States will hit an obliter rate power plants, starting with
[13:16] Speaker 2: the biggest in the first one. Thank you for your
[13:18] Speaker 2: attention to this matter quarter to eleven tomorrow morning. Iran
[13:24] Speaker 2: to this moment is showing no sign of backing down,
[13:27] Speaker 2: meaning it is about to get much worse before it
[13:30] Speaker 2: gets better. The regime is suggesting that if you want
[13:33] Speaker 2: to hit power grids in our country, we will hit
[13:36] Speaker 2: the power grids in all surrounding countries. It is not
[13:39] Speaker 2: just about Israel. Civilians were being targeted today by Iran,
[13:46] Speaker 2: who are trying to whack very close into areas in
[13:51] Speaker 2: Israel that are close to the nuclear facilities that are
[13:54] Speaker 2: part of the power system and the power grid in Israel.
[14:00] Speaker 2: They have until what basically eleven o'clock tomorrow morning. The
[14:07] Speaker 2: best part is I sit here in myhead and go
[14:08] Speaker 2: what twelve thirteen hours away, And Iran says that if
[14:12] Speaker 2: they coper hit, they're going to give them back. In fact,
[14:15] Speaker 2: they will make it worse. Meantime, perhaps the best political
[14:20] Speaker 2: pressure that Iran is going to try to put on
[14:22] Speaker 2: the United States here, And obviously the president is not
[14:24] Speaker 2: for re electing and not for turning, but at some
[14:27] Speaker 2: point in time the public is going to put a
[14:29] Speaker 2: lot of pressure on the people around the president here
[14:32] Speaker 2: because their petrol prices are going up. Of course, they
[14:36] Speaker 2: measure things in gallons, not leaders, and they're saying that
[14:39] Speaker 2: at three dollars seventy two, that's the highest petrol has
[14:42] Speaker 2: been in three years now. Remember petrol prices, in part
[14:46] Speaker 2: was a major way that Trump was able to come
[14:47] Speaker 2: back from the wilderness in the first place. His vice
[14:51] Speaker 2: president has a message which is imagine being in New Zealand.
[14:56] Speaker 2: The reality is overseas they're feeling it far ward worse
[15:00] Speaker 2: than we did because we've taken the steps to protect
[15:04] Speaker 2: our energy economy. And again, because all politics is local,
[15:09] Speaker 2: doesn't matter what and why things are taking place. But again,
[15:12] Speaker 2: I am not setting the table for any other purpose
[15:14] Speaker 2: than just to tell you where the different pressure points
[15:16] Speaker 2: are that exist right now. If there is about to
[15:19] Speaker 2: be a major escalation, and believe me, it gets much
[15:23] Speaker 2: worse before it gets better if that deadline passes. The
[15:27] Speaker 2: President is not somebody who sets red lines and doesn't
[15:29] Speaker 2: do something about it. Iran is apparently trying to lay
[15:32] Speaker 2: sea mines as we speak in the Strait of Homus.
[15:36] Speaker 2: They have said that any ships can freely come and
[15:38] Speaker 2: go as a not the enemy's ships. Well, of course,
[15:42] Speaker 2: the enemy may well be principally in this case the
[15:44] Speaker 2: United States or Israel, but the countries that have had
[15:49] Speaker 2: United States and military facilities in it, places like Saudi Arabia,
[15:53] Speaker 2: like Katar, like the UAE, well all of those would
[15:57] Speaker 2: be considered the enemy pop And that is where that
[16:01] Speaker 2: twenty percent of oil moves. So believe me, believe me.
[16:04] Speaker 2: You want to be watching television tomorrow, You want skynews
[16:07] Speaker 2: dot com checking it all through the morning. About whether
[16:11] Speaker 2: Iran's going to blink or Trump's going to kick him
[16:14] Speaker 2: right between the eyes, because the consequence is going to
[16:17] Speaker 2: go around the world. And in terms of politics in America,
[16:21] Speaker 2: they have an election coming up in November. It was
[16:24] Speaker 2: about this time when things started to turn for the
[16:26] Speaker 2: Republicans in part because of costs of living and inflation.
[16:31] Speaker 2: And according to the latest polls, which CNN is giddy about,
[16:34] Speaker 2: the same will happen in reverse this time to hurt
[16:37] Speaker 2: the Republicans.
[16:39] Speaker 8: Twenty first Century presents economic netoprop ratings.
[16:42] Speaker 1: At this point in term two.
[16:44] Speaker 8: Among independence, Trump is forty eight points underwater. Just one
[16:48] Speaker 8: in five independence excuse me, just one in four independents
[16:51] Speaker 8: say that they approve of the job that he is
[16:54] Speaker 8: doing when it comes to the economy.
[16:55] Speaker 2: All right, let's get back home to the country the
[16:57] Speaker 2: matters the most, this one baby. The numbers keep rolling
[17:01] Speaker 2: in in South Australia. It is unbelievable to me that
[17:05] Speaker 2: a place that has a population of less than two
[17:07] Speaker 2: million people, you are still at trickling like fifty percent
[17:11] Speaker 2: of the vote in some seats, the early vote still
[17:14] Speaker 2: quite not being is weird. It'll take a while, But
[17:16] Speaker 2: where does one Nation sit. Of course, that is the story.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Peter Malanowskus big Win talked about it last night and
[17:21] Speaker 2: enough over the weekend. Okay, so in the Lower House again,
[17:25] Speaker 2: depending on where your media sources are, either these are close,
[17:28] Speaker 2: or they're locked in, or they're leading right seat of Hammond.
[17:31] Speaker 2: That's one that I was at murray Bridge over the weekend.
[17:34] Speaker 2: That looks like it is in the column McKillop, and
[17:36] Speaker 2: two others look like they will fall into the column
[17:39] Speaker 2: of one Nation. We will all find out together exactly
[17:43] Speaker 2: which organization is the first to give it a tick
[17:45] Speaker 2: or otherwise. But again, according to the tally room, their
[17:48] Speaker 2: numbers have been reliable to this point, so I'll stick
[17:50] Speaker 2: with that source. They are suggesting that one is in
[17:52] Speaker 2: already in the bag. In fact, they're saying more than
[17:54] Speaker 2: one is in the bag. But let's say that we're
[17:56] Speaker 2: on our way towards four for one nation. In terms
[17:59] Speaker 2: of the Upper House. You know about Corey Bernardi. You
[18:01] Speaker 2: know about Carlos Kuorremba, and by the way, Carlos is
[18:06] Speaker 2: a chippy and Carlos on Saturday Night and don't I
[18:09] Speaker 2: love this about Carlos, Carlos said that he was going
[18:12] Speaker 2: to put the tool belt on and do work yesterday
[18:14] Speaker 2: and be back at work today, back at work today
[18:17] Speaker 2: on the tools before he eventually becomes a sworn in
[18:21] Speaker 2: member of Parliament. But on the modeling of the Upper
[18:23] Speaker 2: House that is done by the ABC, they think it's
[18:25] Speaker 2: going to be three in the Upper House. In fact,
[18:27] Speaker 2: they have basically given all but the last spot two
[18:31] Speaker 2: the One Nation, the Labor or the Libs. They now
[18:35] Speaker 2: say that Rebecca Hewett will be the third. That would
[18:38] Speaker 2: mean potentially it is going to be seven new faces,
[18:42] Speaker 2: seven warriors, seven political land mines which are going to
[18:46] Speaker 2: be there as a result of that incredible vote from
[18:48] Speaker 2: people on Saturday night and the party that we were
[18:51] Speaker 2: at with One Nation. Now also, can I just say
[18:56] Speaker 2: it annoys me in ways that really make me want
[18:59] Speaker 2: to swear until but I promised to be a good
[19:01] Speaker 2: boy and not. Is that when people voted an election,
[19:06] Speaker 2: there is a little thing that exists inside some parts
[19:09] Speaker 2: of the media where they have to go and study
[19:12] Speaker 2: these people, because who would ever vote for the one
[19:16] Speaker 2: that I disagree with? Now, as hard as I play politics,
[19:20] Speaker 2: I do not hide what the polls say. I do
[19:24] Speaker 2: not hide what the reasons are that people say that
[19:27] Speaker 2: they're going to vote this way or that way. I
[19:28] Speaker 2: do not hide that information from you, so nobody wakes
[19:31] Speaker 2: up going, oh my goodness, there's somebody who's going to
[19:34] Speaker 2: vote for them. I showed you last night, and again
[19:37] Speaker 2: it's very early on this data, but the Australian had
[19:40] Speaker 2: any car of what I showed you last night that
[19:42] Speaker 2: what qualification you had post school was pretty determined into
[19:46] Speaker 2: whether you voted for one nation or not. If you
[19:49] Speaker 2: had just finished school or went to tafe, more likely
[19:52] Speaker 2: to be voting for one nation. The high that you
[19:55] Speaker 2: go up and maybe I shouldn't say hi, maybe just
[19:58] Speaker 2: go further back, doing arts degrees and all the rest
[20:01] Speaker 2: of it. Well, they're more likely you are to swing left.
[20:03] Speaker 2: What a surprise there. But it is this piece from
[20:06] Speaker 2: the ABC that I want to spend some time talking
[20:08] Speaker 2: about tonight, where they went off and they studied a
[20:11] Speaker 2: bunch of one Nation voters as if they were zoo animals,
[20:16] Speaker 2: including Gary. Shout out for wearing the Holden cap. By
[20:19] Speaker 2: the way, mate, I bleed read as well, I make
[20:21] Speaker 2: sure that's safe he sees that picture if he hasn't already,
[20:23] Speaker 2: because I know sometime as he watches the show. In fact,
[20:25] Speaker 2: he always watches the show. Just been kind. As you
[20:28] Speaker 2: get older, you become a bit more conservative, you have
[20:31] Speaker 2: a family and kids and things like that, and it
[20:33] Speaker 2: changes her outlook. Liberals haven't been that conservative lately, and
[20:38] Speaker 2: I think One Nation probably the only true conservative party. Well, okay,
[20:41] Speaker 2: we've got to keep going right, We've got to keep
[20:42] Speaker 2: finding someone who's going to say something a little bit hotter,
[20:46] Speaker 2: because remember, these people, we've got to study them. Why
[20:51] Speaker 2: would anyone make the decision to vote for One Nation?
[20:56] Speaker 2: So they found Julie. Now, I don't know Julie other
[20:59] Speaker 2: than the photo that's there, given that she's wearing the
[21:01] Speaker 2: T shirt. She may will have been a volunteer at
[21:03] Speaker 2: some point in time, but she's got every right to
[21:05] Speaker 2: have an opinion. Good on her for doing it. She
[21:08] Speaker 2: was studied by the David attenbers over at the ABC,
[21:13] Speaker 2: and she says that the most pressing is she is
[21:15] Speaker 2: currently confronting Australia. We're health, housing and the cost of living,
[21:18] Speaker 2: which included the rising cost of fuel. This is the
[21:22] Speaker 2: reason that I got the Harry Hits today. She says
[21:27] Speaker 2: she was opposed to federal net zero policy as well
[21:29] Speaker 2: as what she describes as mass immigration, as if the
[21:35] Speaker 2: ABC had never heard the term before. Is if there
[21:37] Speaker 2: wasn't every single published opinion poll in Australia for five
[21:41] Speaker 2: years and more that says people of all stripes, including
[21:45] Speaker 2: people who are recent arrivals to the country, think too
[21:48] Speaker 2: many people are coming into the country and that is
[21:50] Speaker 2: called mass immigration. Oh no, no, But in ABC world
[21:53] Speaker 2: this is a foreign, weird concept we have to teach
[21:56] Speaker 2: you about. And then, of course when somebody says it,
[21:58] Speaker 2: what do you have to do? Well, isn't it a
[22:00] Speaker 2: bit racist? Well? She denied that the One Nation platform
[22:04] Speaker 2: was racist, a perception which she described as a stereotype.
[22:06] Speaker 2: Good on your duelie, But what about that from the
[22:09] Speaker 2: ABC math? What's this term? Math immigration? Isn't that ratheist? No,
[22:19] Speaker 2: it's not because for those of us who actually care
[22:27] Speaker 2: about the people who can't find a place to rent,
[22:31] Speaker 2: bringing more people into the country to compete for not
[22:34] Speaker 2: enough houses becomes a problem. It doesn't matter from whence
[22:39] Speaker 2: they came or what they believe. I don't talk about
[22:42] Speaker 2: that on this show. I talk about it in terms
[22:45] Speaker 2: of the pressure on a system like say South Australia,
[22:50] Speaker 2: where ambulance ramping has got worse in the past four years,
[22:53] Speaker 2: not better, despite the promise of Malinowskis to do something
[22:57] Speaker 2: about it, and the outrage of the unions at the
[22:59] Speaker 2: time and one of the key reasons why they got
[23:01] Speaker 2: rid of the marshmallow four years ago. But isn't it
[23:05] Speaker 2: always amazing when the media will use one issue to
[23:10] Speaker 2: bash a liberal government out of power and then completely
[23:12] Speaker 2: let the Labor Party replacement off the hook. Perfect example,
[23:16] Speaker 2: cost of living at the federal level. This mob promised, said,
[23:21] Speaker 2: put out the poster. How many times have I shown
[23:23] Speaker 2: you a labor government will lower the cost of living?
[23:27] Speaker 2: Cost of living will be lower under a labor government.
[23:30] Speaker 2: They set up a Catherine wheel of outrage. When one
[23:33] Speaker 2: interest rate rise in twenty twenty two, there have been
[23:36] Speaker 2: fourteen cents. Oh, we're the compassionate left and we care
[23:42] Speaker 2: about the port. Do you more than three million people
[23:46] Speaker 2: run out of food? Has there been an increase in
[23:48] Speaker 2: funding significantly for the charities who take care of those people?
[23:53] Speaker 2: Of course not why? Because the bloke on TV that
[23:57] Speaker 2: we disagree with is the one championing your course. Therefore,
[24:00] Speaker 2: by guilt by association, you will be punished fedick Julie
[24:06] Speaker 2: continues here, saying that bringing in hundreds and thousands of
[24:09] Speaker 2: people a year is not working. If you're for Australia
[24:12] Speaker 2: and you're for a quality for all Australians, it's certainly
[24:14] Speaker 2: not racist. Good on you, Julie. This really really annoys me.
[24:20] Speaker 2: Why would anyone now again, it is your right as
[24:25] Speaker 2: a voter to voteeel Victorian Socialist, to vote for the
[24:31] Speaker 2: local independent who's going to get ten votes, to vote
[24:34] Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party, of the Labor Party, of the Greens,
[24:36] Speaker 2: one nation, you can vote for Lydia Thorpe. That's the
[24:38] Speaker 2: joy of a free country. But to turn around and
[24:41] Speaker 2: study people and vivisect their ideas because inside there must
[24:46] Speaker 2: be either a lack of brain or a black heart,
[24:50] Speaker 2: which is what in I read into this sort of studying.
[24:55] Speaker 2: Who is the type of person who votes for these people?
[24:58] Speaker 2: I'll give you the tip. They're the people that you
[25:01] Speaker 2: don't want to talk to, the ones that you probably
[25:04] Speaker 2: will avoid, the ones who don't make it to the
[25:10] Speaker 2: cool parties, the ones who are not part of the
[25:14] Speaker 2: social circles, and you know even are the people who
[25:17] Speaker 2: are not even registered on social media and their vote
[25:21] Speaker 2: is just as valid as a person who picks up
[25:23] Speaker 2: a placard and marches for Palestine every week. Their vote
[25:28] Speaker 2: is just as valid as somebody who says Australia is
[25:31] Speaker 2: on soul and land and we must change it. Is
[25:33] Speaker 2: just as valid as a millionaire who demands more renewable energy.
[25:40] Speaker 2: Just don't put it in our suburb. Put it in
[25:42] Speaker 2: the bush, not next to my country house, but somewhere else.
[25:48] Speaker 2: This is the start of our conversation tonight, so let's
[25:50] Speaker 2: just get straight to it. Okay, quick break back with
[25:52] Speaker 2: more lots to talk about here, Paul Murray live, No sooks,
[25:55] Speaker 2: no lefties, Matt Canavan, James Morrow. We are just getting
[25:59] Speaker 2: started away. We'll have a little bit of a chat
[26:01] Speaker 2: too with a new member of the Sky News team
[26:03] Speaker 2: about who was actually winning the war in Iran. More
[26:07] Speaker 2: in a sec A little fired up tonight. I hope
[26:09] Speaker 2: you're like, oh no, looks no lefties and leaderships in
[26:17] Speaker 2: the room. Leaderships in the room none other than Senator
[26:19] Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, the leader of the Nationals. He is here.
[26:22] Speaker 2: Good to see him, mate. I saw you're making great
[26:23] Speaker 2: points about Murray Darling and I'll get to that in
[26:25] Speaker 2: a second. And the great James Morrow speaking a leadership
[26:27] Speaker 2: part of the triumvirate, all of equal thirds, that is,
[26:30] Speaker 2: the outside has spoken on Sundays at the US Report
[26:33] Speaker 2: on Fridays as well, So, Matt, it seems like this
[26:36] Speaker 2: week there's going to be a lot of conversation about
[26:39] Speaker 2: whether or not we should be finding ways to get
[26:41] Speaker 2: more tax, particularly out of the gas industry. Where do
[26:44] Speaker 2: you sit on all of this? Because the polling is
[26:47] Speaker 2: being pushed by all sorts of lefty groups saying it's
[26:50] Speaker 2: time to tax more. The companies themselves turn around and say, well,
[26:53] Speaker 2: there's only so much you can tax. But where do
[26:55] Speaker 2: you sit?
[26:58] Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear on a few things, Paul.
[27:01] Speaker 6: The people pushing this idea actually want to shut down
[27:04] Speaker 6: the gas industry.
[27:05] Speaker 1: They don't want to tax the industry. They want to
[27:06] Speaker 1: shut it down.
[27:07] Speaker 6: And in that event, of course, the amount of tax
[27:10] Speaker 6: we'd raise would be a big fat zero, because whatever
[27:12] Speaker 6: the rate is, anything times zero is zero. That's what
[27:16] Speaker 6: the Israelian street wants, that's what the Greens wants, it's
[27:18] Speaker 6: what David Pocock wants. They all want to shut down
[27:21] Speaker 6: is Traian gas industry. So this is a trojan horse
[27:23] Speaker 6: to take away those jobs and incomes.
[27:25] Speaker 1: Here in terms of the broader.
[27:27] Speaker 6: Tax regime, there are issues with the gas tax, but
[27:30] Speaker 6: we should at the gas the way gas way gas
[27:32] Speaker 6: companies are tax But we should not forget that currently
[27:35] Speaker 6: the resources industry raised more than half of our company
[27:38] Speaker 6: tax current at the moment, the gas industry itself raises
[27:42] Speaker 6: over twenty billion dollars, ten times more what.
[27:44] Speaker 1: We raise from beer xis, by the way.
[27:47] Speaker 6: Those figures are wrong. And thirdly, can I say what's
[27:49] Speaker 6: perhaps most important right now is we are about to
[27:53] Speaker 6: enter the probably worst energy crisis since the nineteen seventies.
[27:58] Speaker 6: Now is not the time to we fiddling around with
[28:00] Speaker 6: these radical proposals. We need as much energy as we
[28:03] Speaker 6: can get our hands on.
[28:04] Speaker 1: Now.
[28:05] Speaker 6: Some of that energy, unfortunately, is not in the form
[28:08] Speaker 6: most of it's not in the form of the liquid
[28:09] Speaker 6: fuels we desperately need.
[28:11] Speaker 1: But I tell you what I reckon.
[28:13] Speaker 6: We can trade that for those liquid fuels because the
[28:15] Speaker 6: countries that supply us with diesel and petrol are also
[28:19] Speaker 6: reliant on our coal and gas.
[28:21] Speaker 1: So thank God for coal and gas.
[28:23] Speaker 6: Their prime minister should be hugging a lump of coal
[28:25] Speaker 6: to sleep at night tonight, because it's the only way
[28:27] Speaker 6: it's going to save his bacon, to keep the fuel
[28:30] Speaker 6: pumps flowing in this country.
[28:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, James, it is this thing where energy
[28:34] Speaker 2: independence something that in part JD. Evans is saying about
[28:37] Speaker 2: why perhaps price increases are not a significant in America.
[28:39] Speaker 2: Why because they've been able to drill, they were able
[28:41] Speaker 2: to be self sufficient. We know for a whole collection
[28:44] Speaker 2: of reasons about why Australia has decided to be living
[28:47] Speaker 2: off the teat and the teet of somewhere else. But
[28:50] Speaker 2: we also know that the political climate is in New
[28:53] Speaker 2: South Wales they've essentially said no more coal mines, and
[28:56] Speaker 2: we know that even freshly re elected in South the
[28:59] Speaker 2: str I'm not imagining the Labor Party there is going
[29:02] Speaker 2: to be saying drill, baby, drill anytime soon.
[29:04] Speaker 7: Well, you know the problem is that we just don't
[29:05] Speaker 7: have any grown ups running things. We don't have them.
[29:08] Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sorry. Crispians is a lovely guy in
[29:10] Speaker 7: a lot of ways, but this was an idiotic thing
[29:13] Speaker 7: for him to do. It puts him in the same
[29:15] Speaker 7: category as the utterly irresponsible Victorian government which has said
[29:20] Speaker 7: no to this stuff, to WA which has said no
[29:22] Speaker 7: to getting energy out of the ground.
[29:24] Speaker 2: Which is insane.
[29:24] Speaker 7: You're wa And you know, I was thinking about this
[29:27] Speaker 7: the other day, Paul, because I saw a chart and
[29:29] Speaker 7: it was talking about, you know, the green energy thing
[29:32] Speaker 7: that they're doing in China, and this chart said, oh,
[29:35] Speaker 7: look at all the green energy, Look at all the
[29:37] Speaker 7: solar and wind and everything they've put online in China.
[29:40] Speaker 7: But then if zoom out on the graph and it's
[29:42] Speaker 7: everything else. China understands that what is needed is just energy,
[29:47] Speaker 7: energy in all its forms. And we here in Australia,
[29:50] Speaker 7: we act like it doesn't matter, you know the rest
[29:53] Speaker 7: of the world. Physics don't apply here, economics don't apply here,
[29:56] Speaker 7: and therefore we can just pick and choose what we want.
[29:59] Speaker 7: And I just of analysis on this the other day.
[30:01] Speaker 7: By the way, this is a week ago, and I'm
[30:03] Speaker 7: sure it's a little higher now, but a week ago,
[30:05] Speaker 7: at the height of this in the US in New Jersey,
[30:09] Speaker 7: it was costing you about a dollar thirty five Australian
[30:11] Speaker 7: per leader to fill up your tank. So that tells you.
[30:15] Speaker 7: And that's because Trump decided to make America energy inpendent.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, Matt, I was trying to think of the
[30:21] Speaker 2: best way to put this, and I think the closest
[30:23] Speaker 2: I can get to right now is that what we
[30:25] Speaker 2: are living right now in terms of this fuel supply issue.
[30:29] Speaker 2: It's a little bit like remember when Greece a few
[30:31] Speaker 2: years ago, right the ATM stopped and then suddenly it
[30:34] Speaker 2: was a big global and we need to bail out
[30:36] Speaker 2: and all the rest of it, right, And it's not
[30:38] Speaker 2: until that moment when you start to get cut off,
[30:41] Speaker 2: when you start to realize what the consequences of your
[30:45] Speaker 2: choices are, that you start to see the need for
[30:48] Speaker 2: different choices. Now. I feel like Australians are there. I
[30:53] Speaker 2: don't know that they're immediately going to flip on their
[30:56] Speaker 2: stated public support for many of the sort of lefty
[31:00] Speaker 2: versions of things when it comes to climate change here,
[31:03] Speaker 2: but at what point do you think Australians start to
[31:08] Speaker 2: understand that as soon as you are not self sufficient,
[31:10] Speaker 2: than you are dependent and that goes for everything from
[31:14] Speaker 2: steel to well, you name it.
[31:16] Speaker 6: In this case, Petrol, I actually think most Australians have
[31:21] Speaker 6: already been there, always been there, Paul. I have feared
[31:24] Speaker 6: that it would take something like this that would take
[31:28] Speaker 6: a lesson in the school of hard knocks for the
[31:30] Speaker 6: Australian political class to wake up to themselves, to grow up.
[31:34] Speaker 6: As James just rightly said, I feared that because this
[31:38] Speaker 6: is going to be very painful. It can be very
[31:40] Speaker 6: painful to go through for our country. There's probably not
[31:44] Speaker 6: a lot of options we can now do in the
[31:46] Speaker 6: short term to completely avoid that pain if these interruptions continue.
[31:49] Speaker 6: But that is a consequence of the weak and insipidly
[31:52] Speaker 6: leadership this country has been ruled by over the past
[31:56] Speaker 6: few years. And I'm criticizing all goverments too, by the way,
[31:58] Speaker 6: I'm not just.
[31:59] Speaker 1: Making this a labor things.
[32:00] Speaker 6: I've tried to oppose this, I've tried to fight against it,
[32:03] Speaker 6: but I didn't succeed and we ended up making these
[32:06] Speaker 6: stupid decisions like signing up to NED zero, losing our
[32:09] Speaker 6: plastics industry, losing our urea industry. We don't have fertilizer
[32:14] Speaker 6: in this country now. That is another big issue that
[32:15] Speaker 6: not many people are talking about. We've become so dependent
[32:18] Speaker 6: on other nations. And look, when I've spoken about these issues,
[32:21] Speaker 6: I get a lot of support. But if you don't
[32:23] Speaker 6: have leadership in our country, you go off the rails.
[32:26] Speaker 6: And that's what Australia has done. Now, I'm still positive
[32:29] Speaker 6: for the long term because we have all the resources here.
[32:31] Speaker 1: We can fix these things over time.
[32:33] Speaker 6: There might just have to be some short term pain
[32:35] Speaker 6: and through that we'll find out we've taken a lot
[32:38] Speaker 6: of things for granted.
[32:40] Speaker 2: Let's talk about one nation. Obviously, what happened in South Australia.
[32:44] Speaker 2: And as I explained last night, the reason South Australia
[32:47] Speaker 2: is such an interesting beachd about for one nation is
[32:51] Speaker 2: is that like what eighty percent of the population lives
[32:53] Speaker 2: in Adelaide, right, That is not the case in Victorious,
[32:56] Speaker 2: not the case in New South Wales. In fact, there's
[32:59] Speaker 2: only twelve seats outside of metropolitan Adelaide in South Australia
[33:03] Speaker 2: that goes into the twenties in Victoria and into the
[33:07] Speaker 2: thirties in New South Wales. And again spending time with people,
[33:14] Speaker 2: talking to people like I did in murray Bridge, spending
[33:17] Speaker 2: time with the people who were in the room and
[33:19] Speaker 2: the paid up and prouds on Saturday night. It pisss
[33:22] Speaker 2: me off to knowing about this, studying the one nation
[33:27] Speaker 2: voter like I don't need to study a Victorian socialist voter.
[33:32] Speaker 2: I just need to meet a person called Greg and say, so,
[33:35] Speaker 2: what do you think about this? What do you think
[33:36] Speaker 2: about that? But these people they go off and study, right,
[33:39] Speaker 2: same as they'll study a national's voter. They'll study and
[33:42] Speaker 2: because as if anyone who's not sort of part of
[33:44] Speaker 2: the establishment green left is some sort of a studiable freak,
[33:49] Speaker 2: it sends me crazy, and it sends me and it
[33:51] Speaker 2: sends me doubly crazy when establishment political figures sort of
[33:55] Speaker 2: turn around and sort of refer to them all as
[33:57] Speaker 2: kind of naughty boys and girls who will one day
[33:59] Speaker 2: learn their lesson come back to mummy.
[34:01] Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's funny. Paul's like I think David
[34:03] Speaker 7: Pemmerthy had a really good line in The Australian today.
[34:05] Speaker 7: He was talking about how baristas and barristers all voted
[34:09] Speaker 7: for labor in this election, and to me that really
[34:11] Speaker 7: summed up the kind of the bubble here. You know,
[34:13] Speaker 7: you've got those sort of you know, lefty service classes
[34:16] Speaker 7: and you've got the barristers of the highly educated, well
[34:19] Speaker 7: paid folks who are all you know, they're all on
[34:22] Speaker 7: board with the labor thing, particularly in South Austraia where
[34:24] Speaker 7: there's so much government, you know, South Australia is like
[34:27] Speaker 7: a dream labor state because so many people are dependent
[34:30] Speaker 7: on government one way or another, either through payments or
[34:33] Speaker 7: through contracts or whatever. Try this whole idea, but this
[34:36] Speaker 7: whole idea that you're anthropologically digging through, this revives me
[34:40] Speaker 7: so much of You know, when Trump came around the
[34:42] Speaker 7: first time in twenty sixteenth, and you would literally have
[34:44] Speaker 7: these Washington Post pieces, they were like, David Atton, please,
[34:48] Speaker 7: you know, tell me more about yourself. We we now
[34:51] Speaker 7: observe the Trump voter. We now observe the Trump voter
[34:54] Speaker 7: in his natural habitat of Walmart. You know. They would
[34:57] Speaker 7: go out there, they would and they would try and
[34:59] Speaker 7: decide what makes these people take But the thing is
[35:01] Speaker 7: the one nation voters. As for us, I know most
[35:03] Speaker 7: of them are just conservatives who feel like they've been
[35:05] Speaker 7: let down by a coalition, which I think since Tony
[35:08] Speaker 7: Abbott hasn't really given them much on offer.
[35:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how ideological normal people are, right,
[35:16] Speaker 2: But it's about whether you feel seen or not seen, right, Matt.
[35:19] Speaker 2: This is why I think you are such a boon
[35:22] Speaker 2: to the coalition because you can talk through right. I've
[35:25] Speaker 2: seen you do it. In places in Queensland. I've seen
[35:29] Speaker 2: you do it at beefwork. I've seen you even do
[35:30] Speaker 2: it at seagulls, at tweet heats, right, So you know,
[35:33] Speaker 2: but this this phenomena of wanting to study the center
[35:36] Speaker 2: right as if it's sort of a bunch of people
[35:38] Speaker 2: who know the penny hasn't quite dropped yet. All that's
[35:43] Speaker 2: going to do is.
[35:44] Speaker 6: Well, James, James, tell my line about the James tell
[35:48] Speaker 6: my line about the David Addaberg the twenty nineteen election.
[35:51] Speaker 1: They're doing it again, but they come to it. We're
[35:53] Speaker 1: here within their natural habitat it.
[35:54] Speaker 6: Something is called an RSL, people betting on something called
[35:59] Speaker 6: the called the dogs. Then the Keno the Keno ball
[36:04] Speaker 6: wins and someone goes crazy. So I mean, look, I
[36:08] Speaker 6: mean it would be better if the organizations like the
[36:12] Speaker 6: ABC you often engage in this type of faux documentary reporting,
[36:17] Speaker 6: simply try to understand the real pressures on people's lives
[36:20] Speaker 6: all year round, not just when an election comes.
[36:22] Speaker 1: It's not rocket science.
[36:24] Speaker 6: The reason people are deserting the major parties is because
[36:27] Speaker 6: their living standards has have gone down the toilet. And
[36:29] Speaker 6: we've gone down the toilet after the people that did
[36:32] Speaker 6: represent them promised them the complete opposite. People were promised
[36:36] Speaker 6: that incomes would rise, that jobs would be crowded by
[36:38] Speaker 6: all this green energy and net zero rubbish hasn't happened,
[36:42] Speaker 6: and so and so rightly, rightly people have gone shopping
[36:46] Speaker 6: and looked at other parties. So that's why I led
[36:48] Speaker 6: the charge against net zero. Now I very much believe
[36:51] Speaker 6: that one nation can't offer the long term solutions because
[36:55] Speaker 6: one thing you can see from the South Australian election
[36:58] Speaker 6: is that one nation struggle to convert what was a
[37:00] Speaker 6: very sizeable vote and congratulations on that, but they did
[37:03] Speaker 6: struggle to turn.
[37:04] Speaker 1: That into seats. And this is about winning. We have
[37:07] Speaker 1: to win.
[37:08] Speaker 6: It's not good enough to have your best ever result,
[37:10] Speaker 6: it's not good enough to finish in second place in
[37:12] Speaker 6: the Grand Final.
[37:13] Speaker 1: You've got to win. And one nation have to do that.
[37:16] Speaker 6: And I must say I just want to say, Paul,
[37:18] Speaker 6: there's a lot of criticism about the LMP not working
[37:21] Speaker 6: with one nation. I'm happy to work with them, happy
[37:23] Speaker 6: to do preference with them. I've exchanged preferences with them before.
[37:25] Speaker 6: But at this election, at this election, I've got there
[37:27] Speaker 6: out of Oakard. Here at this election one nation did
[37:29] Speaker 6: not preference the Liberals. They ran an open ticket and
[37:32] Speaker 6: actually what was revealed today and the Adelaide advertisers in
[37:35] Speaker 6: their so called group voting ticket, they actually allocated their
[37:40] Speaker 6: preferences equally between the Liberal and Labor parties. So there
[37:44] Speaker 6: have to be some questions asked there. Why did one
[37:46] Speaker 6: nation not direct preferences to the Liberal party and help
[37:49] Speaker 6: instead help deliver this mammoth Labor landside win.
[37:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, on Saturday night I dealt with exactly this
[37:56] Speaker 2: as well, right, which was to show people what to
[38:00] Speaker 2: vote form looked like for one nation. Now again inside
[38:03] Speaker 2: there would have been a theory here, which is to say,
[38:06] Speaker 2: by not allocating preferences, it's come one, come all. The
[38:09] Speaker 2: other version, as Pauline said to me on air on
[38:12] Speaker 2: Saturday night, was it's your preferences, you put them wherever
[38:15] Speaker 2: you want to.
[38:16] Speaker 6: But one of their own group voting tickets. Paul even
[38:18] Speaker 6: that argument. This was the ticket that they lodged with
[38:20] Speaker 6: the South Austrain Electoral Commission. And apparently there has been
[38:22] Speaker 6: reported today it was kept a secret, that wasn't anything
[38:25] Speaker 6: to do with voters, It wasn't presented to voters. Apparently
[38:28] Speaker 6: they split they ran a split ticket and every vote
[38:31] Speaker 6: for one nation that when in this pile, will go
[38:34] Speaker 6: fifty percent to labor fifty percent to liberal. Why what
[38:37] Speaker 6: was the rationale behind that decision?
[38:38] Speaker 2: Well again, look, James Ashby note out on the show
[38:41] Speaker 2: later in the week. I will gladly ask on your behalf.
[38:44] Speaker 2: But again it's all in the interest of being open
[38:47] Speaker 2: and honest and let people know how people make their decisions.
[38:50] Speaker 2: It's why you're turning up each and every week. They
[38:52] Speaker 2: will as well, and I'll make sure that I asked
[38:53] Speaker 2: the questions in both directions. All right, So you made
[38:56] Speaker 2: the point today in the lead up, Yes to the
[38:57] Speaker 2: pharaoh by election, but more importantly here communities that are
[39:01] Speaker 2: absolutely getting smashed by water the decisions in and around
[39:05] Speaker 2: the murray Darling, and you were holding up what looked
[39:08] Speaker 2: like lucas aid, but it's not. This is allegedly drinking water.
[39:12] Speaker 2: You've got it with you. Now, where are we talking about?
[39:14] Speaker 2: Bloody Yeah? Look at that.
[39:16] Speaker 6: Well, well someone today said I thought I'd done a sample. However,
[39:20] Speaker 6: you need to do that as a leader, but I
[39:23] Speaker 6: wouldn't be drinking it. It's not lucas aid. It is
[39:25] Speaker 6: actually the tap water from a country town called Narendra
[39:28] Speaker 6: just up the road here from camera on if he
[39:30] Speaker 6: was up the rails there yesterday and the locals brought
[39:33] Speaker 6: me this and that's what they've got a drink. Now,
[39:34] Speaker 6: this is an area in our Murray Daling. It's a
[39:36] Speaker 6: beautiful food growing farming town. It's forty percent of our
[39:40] Speaker 6: food comes from the Murray Daling and we spent thirteen
[39:43] Speaker 6: billion dollars, count them, thirteen billion dollars on a Murray
[39:47] Speaker 6: Daling basin plan to so called save the environment. It's
[39:50] Speaker 6: a lot of questions where that's happened either. But why
[39:52] Speaker 6: can't we deliver clean drinking water after spending thirteen billion
[39:56] Speaker 6: dollars to the people who grow our food?
[39:59] Speaker 1: Is our rage?
[40:00] Speaker 6: They need a water treatment plant for thirty million dollars.
[40:02] Speaker 6: I'll be fighting with that for that with the Nationals
[40:04] Speaker 6: candidate Brad Robinson. But this is unacceptable in our country.
[40:06] Speaker 6: It should not be tolerated.
[40:08] Speaker 2: Bloody Earth. All right, lads, I do appreciate it. Thank you, James.
[40:10] Speaker 2: We'll see you again of course Friday for the.
[40:12] Speaker 7: US Report eight three to pm.
[40:13] Speaker 2: Good to see all right. In Sunday mornings kicking us
[40:16] Speaker 2: of course with reader and rowan, Thank you, Thank you
[40:18] Speaker 2: to Matt. All right, no sooks, no leftis continues. All right,
[40:21] Speaker 2: let's get an expert in straight after the break, because
[40:23] Speaker 2: who was actually winning in Iran? Everyone says they are,
[40:28] Speaker 2: but there will be one side that is and isn't.
[40:29] Speaker 2: What do they think? We get to it next and
[40:31] Speaker 2: again remember quarter to eleven tomorrow morning. That's when the
[40:34] Speaker 2: two day red line passes and the bombs start the
[40:38] Speaker 2: fall hard. We have a new appointment here at Sky News.
[40:45] Speaker 2: I want to walk com Peter Jennings to the team.
[40:47] Speaker 2: He is now the defense analyst here at Sky News. Mate,
[40:50] Speaker 2: Welcome aboard and congratulations. Love it to have you a
[40:52] Speaker 2: part of the team.
[40:54] Speaker 9: Thank you, Paul. It's great to be a part of it.
[40:56] Speaker 10: I've been talking on sky for about ten years, but
[40:59] Speaker 10: it's actually good to be part of the force.
[41:02] Speaker 2: Correct. We finally gave you the parking spot. All right,
[41:04] Speaker 2: let's get to this here. So my simple question, which
[41:08] Speaker 2: is incredibly complicated to answer, but you're at that end
[41:11] Speaker 2: of the pool with me right now, who's actually winning
[41:13] Speaker 2: when it comes to the Iran war? Because obviously the
[41:17] Speaker 2: US and Israel have been smashing as many targets as possible,
[41:21] Speaker 2: thousands and thousands inside Iran, but Iran still remains in
[41:24] Speaker 2: a position to be shooting back and in a position
[41:27] Speaker 2: to be able to stop that straight of humus. So
[41:30] Speaker 2: just no emotion, no good guys, no bad guys. Who
[41:33] Speaker 2: is actually winning the arm wrestle at the.
[41:35] Speaker 10: Moment, Well, it's come down to a pretty gritty stalemate.
[41:40] Speaker 10: I think the Americans would have liked to have made
[41:42] Speaker 10: more progress by now in destroying the capacity of the
[41:46] Speaker 10: Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps to control those missiles and to
[41:51] Speaker 10: control the strait. They will be hoping, that is to say,
[41:55] Speaker 10: the Iranian leadership that if they could just hang out
[41:58] Speaker 10: for a few weeks longer, political factors will drive the
[42:02] Speaker 10: Americans to conclude that.
[42:04] Speaker 9: They can't go on, and any outcome.
[42:07] Speaker 10: Which leaves the Revolutionary Guards Corps in charge is a
[42:10] Speaker 10: win for a run. But I'm not saying that's going
[42:14] Speaker 10: to happen. I think the Americans have much greater firepower.
[42:17] Speaker 10: I think there's also a sense of desperation that the
[42:20] Speaker 10: President realizes that they can't leave things as they are.
[42:24] Speaker 10: An Iran which comes back under the existing leadership is
[42:27] Speaker 10: going to be more dangerous and we'll be back fighting
[42:31] Speaker 10: another conflict in years years to come if it's.
[42:34] Speaker 9: Not dealt with now.
[42:35] Speaker 10: So the Americans and the Israelis and hopefully some of
[42:39] Speaker 10: the Democratic partners have to keep going for a little
[42:44] Speaker 10: while yet, and we need to look for science that
[42:46] Speaker 10: there's going to be some sort.
[42:47] Speaker 9: Of popular movement finally on.
[42:50] Speaker 10: The streets of Tehran to say, look, we've had enough,
[42:52] Speaker 10: we just can't take these guys any longer.
[42:54] Speaker 9: Now. How long does that mean the war will go on?
[42:57] Speaker 10: I think we're talking about several months. And what that
[43:01] Speaker 10: means to say is that there is definitely going to
[43:03] Speaker 10: be an impact on things like the flow of crude oil,
[43:07] Speaker 10: and that'll be felt in Australia and many other countries
[43:10] Speaker 10: as well, particularly in Asia.
[43:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, obviously we know all of the
[43:16] Speaker 2: politics in and around Trump supporters, particularly in obviously the
[43:19] Speaker 2: United States, and no wars, all the rest of it, right,
[43:23] Speaker 2: But then we also know the obvious and absolute moral
[43:25] Speaker 2: case as to why the Iranian regime must be wiped
[43:28] Speaker 2: off the face of the earth, no question about it.
[43:31] Speaker 2: What's interesting is James Morrow was telling us before the
[43:34] Speaker 2: petrol situation in the United States is not as dire
[43:38] Speaker 2: or significant or urgent as it is now, which does
[43:41] Speaker 2: by a little bit of time. But we sit here
[43:44] Speaker 2: where you know, about twelve hours from now quarter to
[43:48] Speaker 2: eleven tomorrow is exactly when the two day limit that
[43:51] Speaker 2: the President put down about the Stradahmuz passes, and then
[43:55] Speaker 2: he says that he's going to go after the power
[43:59] Speaker 2: infrastructure and says they would go back and hit other nations.
[44:03] Speaker 2: Reality is is that I think that it around eleven
[44:07] Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow is when we start to take the next
[44:10] Speaker 2: stage in all of this, and that's when things are
[44:13] Speaker 2: going to become deeper and more complicated. What do you think?
[44:18] Speaker 10: I agree with you, but I think it's probably going
[44:20] Speaker 10: to be different from the telegraph threat to the Iranian
[44:24] Speaker 10: power infrastructure, because why would the President telegraph what he's
[44:29] Speaker 10: going to do. I think we should also be looking
[44:31] Speaker 10: at have the Americans got themselves to a point where
[44:35] Speaker 10: they can now start to land special forces on some
[44:37] Speaker 10: of those islands around the critical choke point at the
[44:41] Speaker 10: top end of the straight off the Moose, because they've
[44:44] Speaker 10: really got to get a foothold on land in order
[44:46] Speaker 10: to stop those fast attack boats from going out into
[44:49] Speaker 10: the Strait itself. So I think we're going to see
[44:52] Speaker 10: something different than Trump said in his truth social comment.
[44:58] Speaker 9: And then remember.
[44:59] Speaker 10: Also that really the center of gravity, as the military say,
[45:03] Speaker 10: here is the remaining leadership of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards courts,
[45:09] Speaker 10: and so I think we're going to see more attacks
[45:11] Speaker 10: on those remaining generals in an attempt to try and
[45:14] Speaker 10: break their command and control system and make it impossible
[45:17] Speaker 10: for them to continue to fight the Americans and the
[45:22] Speaker 10: Israelis in a structured way. So it might not be
[45:26] Speaker 10: what the President telegraphed, but I think they now need
[45:28] Speaker 10: to definitely have one more attempt at the senior leadership,
[45:33] Speaker 10: and they've got to come up with some strategy which
[45:35] Speaker 10: makes it possible to get more ships through the straight upfarmers.
[45:39] Speaker 10: I don't think that's impossible, but I think it's going
[45:41] Speaker 10: to be pretty intense, and it will involve special forces
[45:44] Speaker 10: and ground operations to a limited extent around the Strait.
[45:48] Speaker 2: An extraordinary moment on sixty minutes last night when the
[45:51] Speaker 2: Chinese ambassador was asked the question about is Chinese satellite
[45:56] Speaker 2: technology being used to help the Iranians work out where
[46:00] Speaker 2: the Americans are?
[46:01] Speaker 5: This is what he said, he can see Zaran could
[46:05] Speaker 5: be using Beijing's sophisticated satellite navigation system BADO to target
[46:12] Speaker 5: US and Israeli military assets in the Middle East.
[46:16] Speaker 11: The satellite service, the Beado system has been there for
[46:20] Speaker 11: years and for decades, is for everybody's use, either on
[46:24] Speaker 11: public basis or on commercial basis, and that we do
[46:27] Speaker 11: differentiate the who's the one that can get access to
[46:32] Speaker 11: or not?
[46:33] Speaker 2: Can you decode that forest pata because that seems like
[46:36] Speaker 2: language of yeah, sure, but it's for everyone.
[46:40] Speaker 9: Well not really.
[46:41] Speaker 10: I mean, the Iranians backed Hezbala and Mas and the
[46:46] Speaker 10: Chinese backed the Iranians. That's the relationships that we're talking
[46:50] Speaker 10: about here. China has been one of the principal sources
[46:54] Speaker 10: of Iranian military technology, everything from rocket fuel through to
[47:00] Speaker 10: the targeting techniques that we're talking about there with the
[47:02] Speaker 10: satellite systems, drones, aircraft, missiles themselves. It's all from China.
[47:09] Speaker 10: And note right now that the small number of ships
[47:12] Speaker 10: which are actually getting through the straight up Homers they're
[47:15] Speaker 10: Chinese ships, Chinese owned or Chinese crewed, and they advise
[47:19] Speaker 10: the Revolutionary Guards call that they're going.
[47:21] Speaker 9: Through, and they get through.
[47:23] Speaker 10: So China in a very deep sense is backing the Iranians.
[47:28] Speaker 10: They want to see America embarrassed in this conflict, and
[47:32] Speaker 10: they have become a principal source of tension through that
[47:36] Speaker 10: military support of around four years, at which they have
[47:40] Speaker 10: continued right up through the current conflict.
[47:43] Speaker 2: Peter, so glad you're part of the team. Look forward
[47:44] Speaker 2: to many, many many conversations. Thank you very much, Peter
[47:47] Speaker 2: Jennings on your defense analyst here at Sky News. Thank you, mate,
[47:49] Speaker 2: to appreciate it. All right, quick break back with more
[47:51] Speaker 2: special announcement. The Paul Maria Live team is growing. I
[47:55] Speaker 2: want to see. I always love sharing good news with you,
[48:02] Speaker 2: and I wish to do so now on the behalf
[48:04] Speaker 2: of my dear friends Maddie and dom. A little baby
[48:07] Speaker 2: Bonda has joined us now. Mattie used to be the
[48:09] Speaker 2: producer of this program, the executive producer, and Isaac Carl
[48:13] Speaker 2: joined us a few days ago. He's the newest viewer
[48:17] Speaker 2: of the Paul Murray Live Family, and she even sent
[48:20] Speaker 2: us the video to prove it that his first bit
[48:23] Speaker 2: of telly was Uncle Paul on the Telly. I certainly
[48:26] Speaker 2: know that his friend cousins in Asher and Zada are
[48:30] Speaker 2: so excited, so thrilled, Maddie wanted to obviously thank all
[48:34] Speaker 2: of the family and friends that have been with her
[48:35] Speaker 2: on the long journey, the obstetricians as well. Domm You're
[48:38] Speaker 2: in for one hell of a ride and Isaac, welcome
[48:41] Speaker 2: to the world, buddy. I cannot wait to teach you
[48:43] Speaker 2: all of the bad words, all the naughty things, and
[48:46] Speaker 2: to have a laugh with you and hold your hand
[48:48] Speaker 2: and what you saw, because welcome to an incredible life
[48:52] Speaker 2: that's ahead for you, mate,

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