# Paul Murray Live | 29 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 29 Oct 2025, 50 min.

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NAB chief economist warns no rate cut until mid-2026, ministers grill BOM chief over $4.1m website disaster. Plus, neo-Nazi Thomas Sewell cleared of offensive behaviour after Ballarat white supremacist march. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. I
[0:06] Speaker 1: will indeed cherry now another day, another sleigh. We've got
[0:10] Speaker 1: an awful lot to get to this evening, including the
[0:13] Speaker 1: Bureau of Meteorology and the problems have had with their website.
[0:15] Speaker 1: There is actually some deeper problems at this beloved institution
[0:19] Speaker 1: we all rely upon it. Time to talk about it.
[0:22] Speaker 1: Perhaps it is third Rail, a holy figure we can't
[0:27] Speaker 1: go after, but we'll do our best to try and
[0:29] Speaker 1: hold them to account as we learn to do speaking
[0:32] Speaker 1: wonderful debates. So looking forward to Lucy's elegant Stephen Conroy
[0:35] Speaker 1: being here, and the one and only Meghan Kelly, the
[0:38] Speaker 1: only place you will ever find her on Australian television
[0:40] Speaker 1: is here on this show every Wednesday night, and she's
[0:43] Speaker 1: ready to give it to the Dems who say they've
[0:46] Speaker 1: never called Trump Hitler.
[0:48] Speaker 2: Maybe that's their defense. I didn't say the words Trump
[0:51] Speaker 2: is Hitler. He's the modern day Hitler. There's ten thousand
[0:55] Speaker 2: sound bits of them saying, you know who else did
[0:57] Speaker 2: what Trump is doing at alf Hitler.
[1:00] Speaker 1: But first, there is very good news for people who
[1:03] Speaker 1: support Pauline Hansen, be they ones like myself that have
[1:06] Speaker 1: been around for a long time, or those that might
[1:08] Speaker 1: be new to the bandwagon, because the latest poll that
[1:12] Speaker 1: has been released today shows the surge is real. The
[1:15] Speaker 1: surge is on, and they have more than doubled their
[1:18] Speaker 1: vote since the last federal election. Now the Liberal Party
[1:21] Speaker 1: number at twenty six, well, that is a world of pain. Yes,
[1:24] Speaker 1: a lot of this comes from there. But still have
[1:26] Speaker 1: a look one nation at fifteen percent, outpolling the Greens
[1:30] Speaker 1: by six points. There are six percent of people undecided
[1:33] Speaker 1: the rest of teals, et cetera, etc. But have a
[1:35] Speaker 1: look at that the Greens, who of course have added
[1:39] Speaker 1: to having quite a sizeable number in the Senate in
[1:42] Speaker 1: and around a ten percent vote. Imagine what fifteen can
[1:45] Speaker 1: do at the upcoming election in a couple of years time.
[1:49] Speaker 1: Most interestingly is where this support is coming from. Let's
[1:52] Speaker 1: compare the Greens to one nation and break it down
[1:54] Speaker 1: by age eighteen to thirty four year olds seven percent
[1:58] Speaker 1: back in one nation, eighteen percent back in the Greens.
[2:02] Speaker 1: In my generation of Gen X or the older millennials
[2:05] Speaker 1: thirty five to fifty four, one nation has surged to
[2:08] Speaker 1: sixteen percent. That is huge because the perception of one
[2:13] Speaker 1: nation is that its votes is fifty five plus not true.
[2:16] Speaker 1: The great bulk of the great middle of Australia is
[2:19] Speaker 1: turning on to the message of one Nation. This is
[2:21] Speaker 1: excellent because we know how hardcore they can be. We
[2:24] Speaker 1: also know how reasonable many of the things they talk
[2:27] Speaker 1: about are. I think it's a fabulous results sixteen to
[2:30] Speaker 1: eight double the vote and fifty five plus nineteen percent
[2:33] Speaker 1: backing in one Nation compared to four percent of people
[2:36] Speaker 1: but back in the Greens. And why they haven't grown
[2:38] Speaker 1: up by fifty five I don't know. But you know
[2:42] Speaker 1: the story that we've been on for a while here.
[2:44] Speaker 1: We saw it before the last election. We now sit
[2:46] Speaker 1: where we do now, where one Nation have doubled their
[2:50] Speaker 1: support since the last federal election. This is not a blip.
[2:55] Speaker 1: This is a revolution. This is people changing their minds now,
[3:00] Speaker 1: principally when it comes to one nation and one nation support.
[3:02] Speaker 1: That does affect the Senate now in the same way
[3:05] Speaker 1: that the left of Australian politics has decided to vote
[3:08] Speaker 1: Green in the upper House and then Labor in the
[3:11] Speaker 1: lower House, well, presumably now people can vote one nation
[3:14] Speaker 1: or more. People including people in and around my age,
[3:16] Speaker 1: which is great to see, are suggesting that's the way
[3:20] Speaker 1: they want to vote upstairs, producing more senators holding the
[3:23] Speaker 1: left wing Senate to account. And then of course the
[3:26] Speaker 1: preferences flowed towards anyone but the Labor Party. I should say,
[3:30] Speaker 1: not a Freudian slip when it comes to support to
[3:33] Speaker 1: form a government. We're a long way out from an
[3:34] Speaker 1: election two and a half years, but still really important. Mate.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Cos Samaras, who I know some of you love and
[3:41] Speaker 1: not love with his insights, I think that his insights
[3:44] Speaker 1: are pretty interesting and worth having a look at. He
[3:46] Speaker 1: has written about the phenomena of the types of things
[3:48] Speaker 1: that are driving one nation, and unsurprisingly, issues like mass
[3:54] Speaker 1: immigration are what are driving things. And to see that
[3:57] Speaker 1: the people who have got younger kids, who are paying
[4:00] Speaker 1: off their homes, who may well be owning their own businesses,
[4:03] Speaker 1: those people between thirty five and fifty four being turned
[4:05] Speaker 1: onto it means the world to me. Our data reveals
[4:09] Speaker 1: this pattern with striking clarity. When asked to rank factors
[4:12] Speaker 1: responsible for housing on affordability, just thirty four percent of
[4:15] Speaker 1: Australians include immigration in their top three, equal with interest
[4:18] Speaker 1: rates as well as structural economic factors. But when you
[4:21] Speaker 1: can become a one Nation supporter, it is seventy two
[4:24] Speaker 1: percent see it for what it is that immigration is
[4:27] Speaker 1: in the top three. Fifty two percent of one nation supporters,
[4:31] Speaker 1: which now are double that of the Greens, place it
[4:34] Speaker 1: as the number one issue. Baby Boomers three times more
[4:38] Speaker 1: likely than jen Z to think that immigration as a
[4:41] Speaker 1: primary housing factor twenty four percent versus nine percent homeowners
[4:45] Speaker 1: and people who've actually done the hard yards paid their
[4:48] Speaker 1: home off twenty four percent believe that issues when it
[4:53] Speaker 1: comes to mass migration are the problem, compared to renters
[4:55] Speaker 1: who are just at eleven percent. Now, for as long
[4:58] Speaker 1: as I've had access to a microphone, on radio, on television,
[5:00] Speaker 1: I have given the benefit of the doubt one nation.
[5:03] Speaker 1: I have given the benefit of their state and federal
[5:05] Speaker 1: leadership a chance to be heard, because, as you know,
[5:08] Speaker 1: the extreme bulk of the media they never talk to them.
[5:11] Speaker 1: We talked to them regularly because firstly, I know so
[5:13] Speaker 1: many of you are starting to, if not have long supported,
[5:16] Speaker 1: But also I want them to be able to say
[5:19] Speaker 1: what they've got to say, come up with their ideas,
[5:21] Speaker 1: talk about their ideas, debate the issues without somebody trying
[5:24] Speaker 1: to jump down their throat. Now inevitably between now and
[5:27] Speaker 1: the next election, the establishment media will find some new
[5:30] Speaker 1: way to scandalize this movement. But remember they've got tens
[5:34] Speaker 1: of thousands of members. Now, they've now got four senators
[5:38] Speaker 1: in the federal Parliament. They've got representation or they have
[5:42] Speaker 1: won seats at least in New South Wales, Victoria, Western
[5:45] Speaker 1: Australia and in South Australia. All of this is good
[5:49] Speaker 1: for our democracy will do under Pauline. And now she's
[5:51] Speaker 1: so confident in the future of the party that it
[5:53] Speaker 1: is no longer going to be called paul In Anson's
[5:55] Speaker 1: One Nation. Instead it is now just simply going to
[5:57] Speaker 1: be called One Nation. She of course remains its heed
[6:00] Speaker 1: will for as long as she wishes, which is an
[6:02] Speaker 1: excellent thing. She's always welcome on this program, as are
[6:05] Speaker 1: her senators and members of Parliament. Now let's get to
[6:10] Speaker 1: an issue that was determinative at the last federal election.
[6:14] Speaker 1: It was one that got people to flip their vote
[6:17] Speaker 1: and it was issues in and around inflation. Now, at
[6:22] Speaker 1: the start of this year, the Liberal Party was leading
[6:25] Speaker 1: with people who were paying off a mortgage. They were
[6:28] Speaker 1: leading fifty one forty nine in the polls. That group
[6:32] Speaker 1: is the big swing group that you can follow about
[6:35] Speaker 1: who wins an election. The federal government made a decision
[6:42] Speaker 1: that they marketed as a cost of living response, but
[6:45] Speaker 1: reality was that their decision to offer financial support a
[6:50] Speaker 1: couple hundred bucks to everyone from the smallest house in
[6:53] Speaker 1: the smallest country town to the biggest house in the
[6:55] Speaker 1: biggest city. They of course made a decision this was
[7:01] Speaker 1: to further their narrative that Australia had turned the corner
[7:05] Speaker 1: against the battle of inflation. They made multiple announcements worth
[7:09] Speaker 1: about five billion dollars, which was this power price payoff. Now,
[7:15] Speaker 1: it didn't actually reduce the amount of money that was
[7:19] Speaker 1: around in electricity. It reduced the bills because they were
[7:21] Speaker 1: partly subsidizing every bill in the lead up to an election. Surprise, surprise,
[7:26] Speaker 1: a five billion dollar move that, as we said at
[7:29] Speaker 1: the time, was to compensate for their failure on two
[7:32] Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars, but as a way of
[7:34] Speaker 1: feeding into their message that they were doing something about inflation.
[7:39] Speaker 1: I called it artificial at the time. I stand by
[7:42] Speaker 1: every time I have said that. In fact, after these
[7:46] Speaker 1: payments had been swirling around for a while, yes, inflation
[7:49] Speaker 1: did begin to get into the zone where the Reserve
[7:52] Speaker 1: Bank wanted it somewhere between two and three percent, which
[7:56] Speaker 1: is why in February of this year, just a few
[7:59] Speaker 1: weeks out from the federal election, there was the first
[8:03] Speaker 1: interest rate cut in a very long time thirteen interest
[8:07] Speaker 1: rate rises, but this one in many ways turned around
[8:12] Speaker 1: and was the proof in the pudding that the worst
[8:14] Speaker 1: was behind us. There was even suggestions before the last
[8:17] Speaker 1: federal election that there was plenty more interest rates to come.
[8:22] Speaker 3: Markets are now expecting around four interrast rate cuts in
[8:27] Speaker 3: Australia this calendar year.
[8:30] Speaker 1: By the time of the election, according to the red
[8:33] Speaker 1: Bridge polling, the Labor Party was leading with those who
[8:36] Speaker 1: were paying off a mortgage because they had beaten inflation
[8:41] Speaker 1: artificially because the Reserve Bank had dropped interest rates, and
[8:46] Speaker 1: they ended up leading that group fifty five forty five. So, yes,
[8:49] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party had a world of problems. They didn't
[8:51] Speaker 1: make much better for themselves, but that was the reality
[8:55] Speaker 1: of what happened at the election. Great politics, bad for
[8:58] Speaker 1: the economy. Why because guess what happened just last month
[9:02] Speaker 1: We hit a one year high when it came to inflation.
[9:04] Speaker 1: Why because in many ways the power payoff had disappeared.
[9:09] Speaker 1: Today we learn that inflation has now jumped by more
[9:13] Speaker 1: than a full percent. Yes, the margin is now still
[9:17] Speaker 1: just outside of the three percent, but remember all of
[9:20] Speaker 1: those conversations about how important a three in front of
[9:23] Speaker 1: it was compared to a two in front of it.
[9:27] Speaker 1: Because of this inflation rise, today, people predicting what the
[9:31] Speaker 1: Reserve Bank are going to do as soon as Melbourne
[9:34] Speaker 1: Cup Day are now saying that interest rates are off
[9:38] Speaker 1: the table. Interest rate cuts are off the table. That's
[9:40] Speaker 1: the word from the Commonwealth Bank and going even further,
[9:44] Speaker 1: despite the fact of much of the pain of those
[9:47] Speaker 1: thirteen interest rate rises only being allayed by a couple
[9:50] Speaker 1: of cuts, According to the National Australia Bank, not until
[9:54] Speaker 1: mid next year. Mid next year is when you can
[9:58] Speaker 1: expect another interest rate cut.
[10:03] Speaker 4: No rate cuts for the rest of this year, are likely.
[10:06] Speaker 4: No rate cuts in the first quarter of next year.
[10:08] Speaker 4: But we do have one more rate cut in our profile,
[10:11] Speaker 4: but not until May of twenty twenty six.
[10:14] Speaker 1: Now, am I saying that this single payment was the
[10:17] Speaker 1: determinative factor between the government being slightly returned or returned
[10:21] Speaker 1: in the fashion of which they were all being pushed
[10:23] Speaker 1: into a minority. No, but of course, millions of people
[10:27] Speaker 1: are in the scenario of trying to pay off their home.
[10:29] Speaker 1: They're being told that the dragon had been slayed, when
[10:32] Speaker 1: the dragon just simply had a muzzle on it for
[10:35] Speaker 1: a few months to get them through an election. And
[10:39] Speaker 1: now as inflation starts to return to where it was
[10:42] Speaker 1: in the middle of last year when the opinion polls
[10:45] Speaker 1: were terrible for the federal government, there is now nothing
[10:49] Speaker 1: to see and no one willing to talk about that
[10:52] Speaker 1: they were on top of inflation. Everything is going up.
[10:56] Speaker 1: It has been going up the whole time. They just
[10:58] Speaker 1: were able to find a way, not quite to cook
[11:00] Speaker 1: the books, but certainly to warm them up. We said
[11:03] Speaker 1: that on budget night, we said that on Mini budget Night,
[11:06] Speaker 1: we said that before the election, we said it in
[11:08] Speaker 1: the election, and I say it very clearly after the election.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Do not pay attention to what they say, pay attention
[11:14] Speaker 1: to what they do. And what they have done is
[11:17] Speaker 1: got out of the way and we are now being
[11:19] Speaker 1: hit with the reality of inflation as bad as it
[11:22] Speaker 1: was twelve months ago when no interest rate cuts were coming.
[11:28] Speaker 1: For many of the past few days, there has been
[11:30] Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about the Bureau of meteorology the
[11:32] Speaker 1: BOMB and its website, the old one that people knew
[11:36] Speaker 1: like the back of their hand, and the new one
[11:38] Speaker 1: that decided to change the intensity colors around things like storms,
[11:43] Speaker 1: meaning that when the good people of Queensland were being
[11:45] Speaker 1: thumped about in Southeast Queensland late last week, many people
[11:48] Speaker 1: didn't realize how bad this was going to be because
[11:50] Speaker 1: the colors they had got used to of really dark
[11:53] Speaker 1: reds and into black showing you where on the map
[11:55] Speaker 1: the hailstones were going to fall. All of that disappeared. Now.
[11:59] Speaker 1: We spoke in part about this behind the scenes, trying
[12:02] Speaker 1: to work out what pre information there was, and yes
[12:04] Speaker 1: there was a message on the Bomb's website that they
[12:06] Speaker 1: were going to change, but there really was no big
[12:10] Speaker 1: effort to tell people what had changed, and to tell
[12:12] Speaker 1: people that certain parts of Queensland were literally just going
[12:15] Speaker 1: to disappear off the map and the color coding that
[12:18] Speaker 1: all of us know about the intensity of storms. The
[12:21] Speaker 1: darker the color, the worst it's going to be. Meant
[12:24] Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people left flat footed,
[12:26] Speaker 1: and the Premiere of Queensland is angry on their behalf.
[12:30] Speaker 3: The changes to the federally run Bureau of Meteorology website.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Are not good enough.
[12:37] Speaker 3: The changes to the website don't make sense. The website
[12:42] Speaker 3: is flawed. Easy access to individual radars have been removed,
[12:47] Speaker 3: the color scheme we've become accustomed to has changed, and
[12:51] Speaker 3: platitudes from Canberra won't cut it with Queenslanders.
[12:56] Speaker 1: The Nationals leader David little Prowd also pointed out that
[12:58] Speaker 1: one of the problem with this change means that farmers
[13:02] Speaker 1: are not able to track storms. That matters because you're
[13:05] Speaker 1: trying to take care of your crops and if the
[13:08] Speaker 1: dark of hale is replaced with a generic color that
[13:11] Speaker 1: is covering dozens and dozens of areas, you don't think
[13:16] Speaker 1: you're going to get hit as hard.
[13:20] Speaker 5: The Bureau has been littered with errors and mistakes for
[13:24] Speaker 5: some years now. In fact, their business model is to
[13:28] Speaker 5: mess up and ask for more money, and that's effectively
[13:31] Speaker 5: all they've done. Whether it was last year when they
[13:33] Speaker 5: predict that we're going to have a drought, a whole
[13:36] Speaker 5: lot of farmers offloaded all their livestock and crash the market,
[13:39] Speaker 5: and then we had one of the best seasons we've
[13:41] Speaker 5: ever had. Down to just simply managing a website, the
[13:45] Speaker 5: Bureau Meteorology is losing the currency that it has in
[13:49] Speaker 5: regional Australia and right across the country.
[13:53] Speaker 1: Now, good that they're making noise, but they are a
[13:54] Speaker 1: little bit late to the party. This thing has been
[13:56] Speaker 1: rolling for quite a few days, including both before, during
[14:01] Speaker 1: and after the storm. This is where I think the
[14:04] Speaker 1: Opposition should have been pacing much more political pressure, many
[14:08] Speaker 1: more questions inside both the Upper and Lower House, but
[14:11] Speaker 1: they chose not to do. So that's their business. Murray,
[14:14] Speaker 1: what is the minister, as the environment minister, who is
[14:17] Speaker 1: responsible for what has happened here when it comes to
[14:21] Speaker 1: this particular website. We know that this thing has cost
[14:24] Speaker 1: four point one million dollars. But finally the minister decided,
[14:27] Speaker 1: hang on, can you all come and see me please?
[14:29] Speaker 1: Because I want to work out what the hell's going on?
[14:31] Speaker 1: Because after all, if there is one area that this
[14:33] Speaker 1: government is desperate to try to improve its standing in,
[14:37] Speaker 1: it is Queensland. Now, Queensland produced an awful lot of
[14:41] Speaker 1: brand new MPs. It was in many ways the difference
[14:44] Speaker 1: between just being returned and ninety plus seats, so they
[14:49] Speaker 1: are very sensitive when Queensland arcs up like this. Well
[14:53] Speaker 1: after the meeting that took place today with the Minister.
[14:55] Speaker 1: The boss of the Bureau is now saying sorry. Here
[14:59] Speaker 1: is what doctor Stone is saying, as the acting CEO
[15:03] Speaker 1: of the people who spent four million dollars on a website.
[15:05] Speaker 1: That just doesn't make sense any.
[15:08] Speaker 6: I'd like to offer my sincere apologies for the challenges
[15:12] Speaker 6: the change has caused. It's clear that we need to
[15:16] Speaker 6: do more to help people navigate the change, both by
[15:20] Speaker 6: making adjustments to the website and by helping users understand
[15:24] Speaker 6: its new features.
[15:26] Speaker 1: Yeah no, just put it back the way it was
[15:28] Speaker 1: in terms of storm information, new fonts, new places and
[15:32] Speaker 1: education campaign. Okay, but how can you turn around and
[15:36] Speaker 1: change what was to what is? But it brings us
[15:39] Speaker 1: to a bigger issue. There are quite a few problems
[15:42] Speaker 1: with the Bureau of Meteorology and right up there with
[15:44] Speaker 1: the Electoral Commission. It is one of those things we
[15:47] Speaker 1: have to have maximum faith in, not just because we
[15:50] Speaker 1: fund it, but because many people make big decisions about
[15:54] Speaker 1: what they're going to do with their property when storms
[15:57] Speaker 1: are on their way. As storm season rolls in to
[16:00] Speaker 1: Queensland and again there'll be bush fire issues in every
[16:03] Speaker 1: other state, we know plenty of people will be turning
[16:05] Speaker 1: to this website for more information. But as I said,
[16:09] Speaker 1: there are some other issues that I want to talk
[16:11] Speaker 1: about where perhaps we need greater oversight of the Bureau.
[16:16] Speaker 1: Maybe we need to pay more attention to the Senate estimates.
[16:19] Speaker 1: Maybe there needs to be a special standing committee of
[16:21] Speaker 1: MPs who oversee and constantly are asking critical questions of
[16:27] Speaker 1: this organization. Because it is not just the new website
[16:31] Speaker 1: that is a problem. Remember in twenty and twenty two
[16:35] Speaker 1: they spent two hundred and twenty thousand dollars on a
[16:39] Speaker 1: rebrand because they didn't like people calling it the Bomb.
[16:44] Speaker 1: In fact, Bomb asked media outlets on Tuesday of this
[16:48] Speaker 1: story back in twenty twenty two to update their style guides,
[16:51] Speaker 1: which means the things that you say on TV in
[16:56] Speaker 1: a news bullet, to stop calling it the Weather Bureau
[16:59] Speaker 1: and the Bomb, even though on its own mobile app
[17:02] Speaker 1: it's still currently called Bomb Weather. Still to this day
[17:05] Speaker 1: that's what it's called. Instead, it asked to be called
[17:08] Speaker 1: the Bureau of Meteorology in the first instance, perhaps the
[17:12] Speaker 1: Bureau in subsequent references. Again further information here was the
[17:18] Speaker 1: Bomb rebranding aimed to overcome negative associations related to the
[17:22] Speaker 1: acronym bomb as in bomb. Nobody thinks that in Australia
[17:28] Speaker 1: the bomb bomb means the Bureau of Meteorology. The Bureau
[17:33] Speaker 1: of Meteorology told its staff that it wanted to avoid
[17:35] Speaker 1: the bomb nickname back in twenty twenty two due to
[17:38] Speaker 1: quote negative associations related to the acronym. Newly released documents
[17:43] Speaker 1: revealed this way back when just last year, nearly a
[17:49] Speaker 1: billion dollars were spent supposedly overhauling matters to do with
[17:55] Speaker 1: information technology. However, staff had previews tried to deny people
[18:01] Speaker 1: knowing how much of the taxpayer's money was spent upgrading
[18:04] Speaker 1: the technology. The CEO of the Bureau of Meteorology, now
[18:09] Speaker 1: former Andrew Johnson, revealed to staff the cost of its
[18:13] Speaker 1: delayed IT overhaul one of Australia's most expensive ever at
[18:16] Speaker 1: a billion dollars, despite repeatedly telling senators such details must
[18:21] Speaker 1: be kept under wraps for cabinet secrecy. Remember that's the
[18:25] Speaker 1: stuff that I talked about last night, when those reports
[18:29] Speaker 1: that Chris Bowen had about just how much power prices
[18:32] Speaker 1: were going to increase because of the renewables only approach
[18:35] Speaker 1: to government. The documents that were eventually released had line
[18:40] Speaker 1: after line after line redacted, as if the location of
[18:44] Speaker 1: Jimmy Hoffer's body or who was responsible for the Kennedy
[18:48] Speaker 1: assassination was in there. It wasn't about national security, it
[18:51] Speaker 1: was about ass covering when it came to the government.
[18:54] Speaker 1: Have a look at this document. Well, this again is
[18:56] Speaker 1: a perfect example. This is about power prices and the
[19:00] Speaker 1: policies of this government. The same attitude was taken by
[19:03] Speaker 1: the people who ran the Bureau of Meteorology about a
[19:05] Speaker 1: one billion b four billion dollar upgrade to its information technology.
[19:13] Speaker 1: What about in September last year when the bomb decided
[19:17] Speaker 1: to release a tsunami alert, a tsunami alert for a
[19:22] Speaker 1: tsunami that was not in existence and was not coming,
[19:25] Speaker 1: and they had to say sorry for again.
[19:30] Speaker 7: The test warnings were issued to the public via the
[19:33] Speaker 7: bomb Weather app in error as part of the testing process.
[19:37] Speaker 7: The test warnings were canceled immediately after they are issued.
[19:40] Speaker 7: The Bureau acknowledges and apologizes for any confusion that this
[19:44] Speaker 7: test has caused.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Now you'll notice the very careful media management around this
[19:48] Speaker 1: is that it's not done in an interview, It's not
[19:50] Speaker 1: done in a press conference. It's done in a pre
[19:52] Speaker 1: recorded statement, just like the apology for the website was, now,
[19:57] Speaker 1: this is a way of apologizing, but not how having
[20:00] Speaker 1: to explain perhaps an idea about the levels of secrecy
[20:04] Speaker 1: that exists inside a government. Now again, I love the
[20:06] Speaker 1: bomb like everyone else. I trust the bomb like everyone else.
[20:10] Speaker 1: But people have gotten bidden by that trust because, yes,
[20:15] Speaker 1: while whether prediction is not an exact science, when you're
[20:19] Speaker 1: trying to show things like a real time radar, yeah,
[20:22] Speaker 1: people start to make their choices about what they're going
[20:24] Speaker 1: to do. And in the case of extropical cyclone Alfred,
[20:29] Speaker 1: there was a big miscalculation which took place when it
[20:32] Speaker 1: came to exactly where this thing was going to hit,
[20:36] Speaker 1: exactly how hard it was going to hit. Now, I
[20:39] Speaker 1: was in it, I reported on it, and it was
[20:41] Speaker 1: not a nothing but the once in a thirty five
[20:45] Speaker 1: year cyclone stuff were we all know that wasn't the case.
[20:49] Speaker 1: And instead there were actual coastal communities to the north
[20:52] Speaker 1: of Brisbane who got absolutely flooded because they had expected
[20:56] Speaker 1: that what was about to happen during the night was
[20:58] Speaker 1: going to happen much to the south or even inland
[21:01] Speaker 1: of what they are The damage in millions of dollars
[21:05] Speaker 1: in fact, then the Bureau of Meteorology defended its forecasts
[21:09] Speaker 1: after coastal community said that they were not properly warned.
[21:13] Speaker 1: It's not a claim, it's the reality. They were not
[21:15] Speaker 1: properly warned. One of their biggest mistakes, one that became
[21:19] Speaker 1: very significant, was the Lismore floods back in twenty twenty one,
[21:25] Speaker 1: with the effects into twenty twenty two. There are a
[21:29] Speaker 1: series of warning gages that were not appropriate. That meant
[21:33] Speaker 1: as the rivers rose, the information was not coming as
[21:36] Speaker 1: fast as it should and because all of it happened
[21:39] Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, most people of course
[21:40] Speaker 1: were asleep, meaning people had to be fetched from roofs.
[21:45] Speaker 1: We all remember the time way back then. And then
[21:49] Speaker 1: there's the more controversial stuff staff like the adjusting of temperatures.
[21:55] Speaker 1: Has been much written about this, much discussed. Malcolm Roberts
[21:59] Speaker 1: has been asked skin questions about it, but of course
[22:01] Speaker 1: the media will not cover it. Inside the Senate, which
[22:03] Speaker 1: has been the claims about how hot recent summers have been,
[22:08] Speaker 1: that this one is the highest on record. The only
[22:10] Speaker 1: problem is that there were other hotter summers, but the
[22:14] Speaker 1: numbers had been shaved. Now again, I'm not suggesting anything
[22:19] Speaker 1: illegal or nefarious, but something worth talking about. In the
[22:24] Speaker 1: same way that we have to have absolute oversight of
[22:27] Speaker 1: the Australian Electoral Commission in real time, people behind the
[22:31] Speaker 1: scenes responsible for the system giving interviews about the failures
[22:34] Speaker 1: of the system. This has to happen with the Bureau
[22:37] Speaker 1: of Meteorology. It's good that they gave a sorry after
[22:41] Speaker 1: the website design, but clearly there is a pattern of
[22:45] Speaker 1: behavior that exists inside the management that is either unwilling
[22:50] Speaker 1: to discuss or is too late to tell of the
[22:54] Speaker 1: failures that take place. As David littl Proud said, often
[22:58] Speaker 1: what ends up happening is they just say we need
[22:59] Speaker 1: more money. Well okay, but you need to admit the
[23:03] Speaker 1: mistakes as you make them because, as we know, whether
[23:06] Speaker 1: it leads to climate, climate leads to politics. But more importantly, information,
[23:12] Speaker 1: minute by minute matters, so people can save their lives
[23:15] Speaker 1: and save their properties. If you've got a view or
[23:18] Speaker 1: more about that place, send me an email. I'd love
[23:20] Speaker 1: to know more personal stories about when the bomb got
[23:22] Speaker 1: it wrong. We give them a benefit of the doubt,
[23:25] Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean a free pass. Send me an email.
[23:27] Speaker 1: Paul itsgyews dot com dot au as we know there
[23:32] Speaker 1: is a debate happening about exactly how Australia is going
[23:35] Speaker 1: to put a system in place where people under the
[23:37] Speaker 1: age of sixteen will not be able to have accounts
[23:40] Speaker 1: on all of the major social media platforms, including YouTube.
[23:44] Speaker 1: Discussions have been happening for some time, and there are
[23:46] Speaker 1: senators that sit on committees responsible for trying to make
[23:50] Speaker 1: sure that this thing happens as smoothly as possible. One
[23:52] Speaker 1: of them is our mate, Ross Cadell, who appears quite
[23:54] Speaker 1: frequently on this program, the National's Senator. Well, he accused
[23:58] Speaker 1: TikTok of bullying his This was a back and forth.
[24:02] Speaker 1: It took place in a Senate hearing a little bit
[24:04] Speaker 1: earlier this week.
[24:06] Speaker 8: How is it that when I was in this hearing
[24:08] Speaker 8: last time, a member of your staff phone through the
[24:11] Speaker 8: switch here and by intimidation of oh, we get on
[24:16] Speaker 8: very well with the lead the leader's office, we get
[24:17] Speaker 8: on very well with the Shadow minister's office. You shouldn't
[24:20] Speaker 8: be asking these questions. You shouldn't be saying this if
[24:22] Speaker 8: a staff member of yours in a government representation area
[24:26] Speaker 8: is willing to phone through the switch to a senator's
[24:28] Speaker 8: office while in hearing.
[24:29] Speaker 9: It intimidate and bully.
[24:30] Speaker 8: How can I believe your company doesn't have a culture
[24:33] Speaker 8: to tolerate that.
[24:36] Speaker 1: Well a plaid, sir. The denial, of course, did not
[24:38] Speaker 1: happen inside the Parliament, but on the TV. I'm not
[24:42] Speaker 1: aware of the details that you're talking about, and what
[24:44] Speaker 1: I can say is that the team needs to operate.
[24:47] Speaker 8: Professionally and appropriately at all times, and I have confidence that.
[24:50] Speaker 9: That's what we do.
[24:52] Speaker 1: My apologies happened to inside the Senate hearing. I thought
[24:56] Speaker 1: it happened on a breakfast t V show. My apologies. Now,
[24:58] Speaker 1: while you have been working hard on this, being the
[25:01] Speaker 1: hump day the midway point, you now start to make
[25:03] Speaker 1: money for yourself, not paying tax. But what do they
[25:07] Speaker 1: do with the money that we have to pay the
[25:09] Speaker 1: staffers to help them make bad social media videos? This
[25:12] Speaker 1: is showbiz for ugly people, and a labor senator is shady.
[25:18] Speaker 9: Guess who's back back again?
[25:22] Speaker 10: Nolus's back.
[25:24] Speaker 9: Tell a friend, yep, here they go again, eminem.
[25:31] Speaker 1: So now, meantime, a federal cabinet minister would like to
[25:35] Speaker 1: show us their hobby.
[25:51] Speaker 9: The reasons why I don't crush.
[25:52] Speaker 1: It, glad it works so hard to pay for these
[26:01] Speaker 1: people and the staff to make them local celebrities. And
[26:05] Speaker 1: if that's not high class enough for you, what about
[26:07] Speaker 1: a couple of ministers snapping away at some clinkers.
[26:12] Speaker 11: If this clinker is pink, we're going to invest in
[26:14] Speaker 11: more contraceptives, make them more affordable for more women.
[26:20] Speaker 12: If this clinker is yellow, we will make iruds cheaper.
[26:24] Speaker 6: From November one.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Do better. We will see you in a moment or
[26:31] Speaker 1: two time here on Paul Murray Live. Lucy Zellerch's here
[26:34] Speaker 1: with Stephen Conry. There's an awful lot to debate, and
[26:36] Speaker 1: then the wonderful Meghan Kelly. We'll get to it all
[26:39] Speaker 1: in a second here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks so
[26:41] Speaker 1: much for watching, Thank you so much for watching. Now tonight,
[26:48] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is still overseas Bob at Ebba's elbow.
[26:51] Speaker 1: He's so above all of that. Okay, now, he's had
[26:54] Speaker 1: yet another international conference and he's a week ago triumphant,
[26:59] Speaker 1: best mate. Well, have a listen to how warm the
[27:02] Speaker 1: greeting is between these two blokes were. In my view,
[27:04] Speaker 1: Trump's probably already forgotten him. Tryumph, triumph. And also for
[27:18] Speaker 1: those who were wondering what was happening behind the scenes
[27:22] Speaker 1: about well, was Trump joking or not about Rudd? Take
[27:25] Speaker 1: this from inside the White House.
[27:29] Speaker 13: In my first meeting with your ambassador, I brought up
[27:35] Speaker 13: his tweets against the President, just to make sure that
[27:39] Speaker 13: he understands who we are and that we have very
[27:42] Speaker 13: long memories and the internet is forever. All I say
[27:45] Speaker 13: is he smiled or Ray smile?
[27:48] Speaker 1: Well it could have been so different joining us right now.
[27:50] Speaker 1: He is the man who's always here to help from Melbourne,
[27:52] Speaker 1: always doing his best, always finishes just that little bit
[27:55] Speaker 1: short against Lucy's Ellich. But thank you so much Stephen
[27:57] Speaker 1: Conroy for yet again turning up here one off Lucy's
[28:01] Speaker 1: Ellich's back to see you man.
[28:04] Speaker 9: I've missed you, Steven.
[28:05] Speaker 1: What about this did.
[28:08] Speaker 10: On holidays?
[28:09] Speaker 9: Now?
[28:09] Speaker 1: Did I see a little second he's trying to slow
[28:12] Speaker 1: play the ball here? No, the refs playing the whistle.
[28:14] Speaker 1: We're going to keep the play going here? Did I
[28:16] Speaker 1: see a story today that amongst the potential replacements for
[28:21] Speaker 1: Karen in d C was none other than you. Did
[28:25] Speaker 1: you receive a phone call, a text message? Did you
[28:27] Speaker 1: offer your services as somebody just willing to help?
[28:32] Speaker 14: Look, it's important that I love Sarah She's fantastic, but
[28:36] Speaker 14: she is not my most reliable source. If I wanted
[28:38] Speaker 14: to turn to you know what's going on inside the
[28:42] Speaker 14: cabinet of Australia. But I can't put my hand on
[28:45] Speaker 14: my heart and say, nobody find me. Nobody called, nobody texted,
[28:50] Speaker 14: nobody ever spoke to me.
[28:52] Speaker 1: Tell he left out WhatsApp, he left out signal, a
[28:58] Speaker 1: Facebook messager, he left out a.
[29:00] Speaker 10: More code snapchat.
[29:08] Speaker 1: We get it all right, good, You'll.
[29:10] Speaker 11: Be honest, though, Steven, I would have much preferred you
[29:12] Speaker 11: in that role. Well about disagreements I respect, and I
[29:15] Speaker 11: would have much preferred you in that position than Kevin
[29:18] Speaker 11: r log.
[29:20] Speaker 14: As Paul will tell you, I'm not sure that my
[29:22] Speaker 14: public commentary on the president will be.
[29:25] Speaker 1: More flattering than Kevin Rubbs.
[29:27] Speaker 14: I think I've ruled myself out on many nights on
[29:30] Speaker 14: Paul Show.
[29:31] Speaker 1: Yes, but I think you would have got a sorry
[29:33] Speaker 1: in way earlier. You wouldn't have waited until the moment
[29:35] Speaker 1: to be cut off, mate, Don't worry, we would have.
[29:37] Speaker 1: We would have worked the back channels for you. Alas, Alas,
[29:40] Speaker 1: it is what it is, all right? Well from now on,
[29:42] Speaker 1: ambassttor Conroy for the rest of the show. Yet again
[29:47] Speaker 1: electricity prices go up. It feeds into the inflation stuff
[29:50] Speaker 1: that we were talking about before, and we work on
[29:54] Speaker 1: the assumption that Australians don't want higher energy costs. But
[29:58] Speaker 1: the reality was it didn't affect the election, so the
[30:01] Speaker 1: government would be thinking it's not going to affect the
[30:03] Speaker 1: next run towards an election. Lucy, why doesn't Labour ever
[30:07] Speaker 1: pay the price for higher electricity.
[30:10] Speaker 11: Bills because they don't have an effective opposition calling this
[30:13] Speaker 11: nonsense out, Paul, And it pains me to say it,
[30:16] Speaker 11: but unfortunately this is why.
[30:18] Speaker 10: They are able to get away with all of this.
[30:20] Speaker 11: And think of all of the free kicks that have
[30:22] Speaker 11: occurred just since the May three election, right and opportunities
[30:25] Speaker 11: that Susan Lee and the opposition have had to be
[30:28] Speaker 11: able to call out the mistakes of the Albanezy government
[30:30] Speaker 11: and the continued nonsense that we are being fed, particularly
[30:33] Speaker 11: with respect to electricity prices. Right on Tuesday, Okay, this
[30:37] Speaker 11: is prior to this Australian Bureau Statistics, this data coming
[30:40] Speaker 11: out about the soaring cost of electricity prices in households.
[30:43] Speaker 11: Chris Bowen, who I still don't understand how this man
[30:47] Speaker 11: has the courage to stand up in Parliament, least of all,
[30:50] Speaker 11: walk down the street in public and still say that
[30:53] Speaker 11: renewables were still the cheapest option going forward, and that
[30:56] Speaker 11: you know, this whole disaster that we've heard from them
[30:59] Speaker 11: fed time and time again about electricity prices that would
[31:01] Speaker 11: be dropped by two hundred and seventy five dollars. Now
[31:04] Speaker 11: we're seeing the effects of these rebates easing off, and
[31:07] Speaker 11: some of them will be canceled by the end of
[31:09] Speaker 11: twenty twenty five, and then what people are fearing is
[31:13] Speaker 11: it electricity costs will go.
[31:14] Speaker 10: Up even higher.
[31:15] Speaker 11: We knew this would happen when they introduced these rebates,
[31:18] Speaker 11: that it was going to tinker with the inflation numbers
[31:21] Speaker 11: and give a false economy.
[31:23] Speaker 10: So now is exactly what we expected.
[31:26] Speaker 1: Well, and they got what they wanted, which was the
[31:28] Speaker 1: trajectory of inflation got to a place where the Reserve
[31:31] Speaker 1: Bank made that first interest rate cut. And as I
[31:33] Speaker 1: showed before, the polling pride to that was that the
[31:35] Speaker 1: Libs were winning. And then by the end of the election,
[31:37] Speaker 1: lots of problems with the way the Lips run. The
[31:39] Speaker 1: election fifty five to forty five in favor of labor.
[31:41] Speaker 1: So from a political standpoint here, Stephen, are we working
[31:44] Speaker 1: off the wrong assumption that power prices are politically difficult
[31:48] Speaker 1: because they keep going up? They continue to go up.
[31:51] Speaker 1: Now they came up with a political solution, but why
[31:54] Speaker 1: does labour pay no political price for what is an
[31:57] Speaker 1: obvious failure.
[32:01] Speaker 14: Look, I just disagree with Lucy on one point. The
[32:05] Speaker 14: opposition Peter Darton ran hard on electricities prices right through
[32:10] Speaker 14: the last three years, so I would disagree on that.
[32:13] Speaker 14: It was absolutely an issue. But that brings you to
[32:15] Speaker 14: your point, Paul. Why didn't the labor suffer a penalty?
[32:20] Speaker 14: And as you and I have talked about, and you've
[32:22] Speaker 14: talked about it on the show many times, electricity makes
[32:25] Speaker 14: up a small amount of a total cost of living basket.
[32:29] Speaker 14: And while its increase is significant, okay, the arguments of
[32:36] Speaker 14: focusing solely on it, it doesn't work if the whole
[32:41] Speaker 14: basket is not rising at the same rate.
[32:44] Speaker 9: It's not just get a.
[32:46] Speaker 11: Situation households those, Stephen, it's business, it's industry. Look at
[32:50] Speaker 11: what's going on with Tolgo now and what are they
[32:52] Speaker 11: cited rising costs of energy prices?
[32:54] Speaker 10: This is an industry wide and Australia.
[32:57] Speaker 14: That is a very fair point, very later. That's why
[33:06] Speaker 14: the government has had to refine its pitch from say
[33:10] Speaker 14: the first twelve or eighteen months. It absolutely is now
[33:13] Speaker 14: back in gas. Whereas gas was seen as you know,
[33:17] Speaker 14: a necessary reserve. Gas has always been a vital part
[33:20] Speaker 14: of the transition, and the government is now backing gas
[33:24] Speaker 14: development and gas into the system because manufacturing an industry,
[33:29] Speaker 14: need the certainty. You know, I would have preferred some
[33:32] Speaker 14: of the coal fired power stations to stay online longer,
[33:35] Speaker 14: but economic decisions were taken by private sector companies that
[33:38] Speaker 14: it wasn't sustainable to keep the maintenance keep pushing out,
[33:43] Speaker 14: keeping them going longer, so they've they're withdrawing from the system.
[33:47] Speaker 14: The federal government hasn't done that. It was happening under
[33:50] Speaker 14: Scott Morrison. I'm not blaming them, I'm just making I'm
[33:58] Speaker 14: just making the obser of that coal fire power stations
[34:03] Speaker 14: announced they were coming out of the system while Scott
[34:06] Speaker 14: Morrison was.
[34:06] Speaker 1: In pattered on state up.
[34:07] Speaker 14: So it's not a labor problem that well, that's my point.
[34:11] Speaker 14: Matt Keane, your favorite politician or now ex politician, was
[34:14] Speaker 14: absolutely helping drive this agenda.
[34:17] Speaker 1: So you have a situation where Lucy has said Lucy's right.
[34:20] Speaker 14: Gas has to be a huge part of the transition,
[34:23] Speaker 14: particularly for industry and manufacturing.
[34:25] Speaker 6: But are they.
[34:26] Speaker 10: Realizing that a little bit too late?
[34:27] Speaker 11: Stephen. That's the issue supply. Isn't it a premium and
[34:30] Speaker 11: this is a big problem. And we're also exporting it
[34:33] Speaker 11: and then having to buy it back at a premium.
[34:34] Speaker 10: So wearing a real piccolie, No.
[34:38] Speaker 14: No question that we you know, the gas reservation issue,
[34:41] Speaker 14: meaning that a certain amount of gas needs to be
[34:44] Speaker 14: kept here in Australia. Go to West Australia, they have
[34:46] Speaker 14: a gas reservation policy. There is no shortage of gas
[34:50] Speaker 14: in Western Australia. They shake their heads and go, you know,
[34:54] Speaker 14: the big companies told us that we wouldn't be able
[34:56] Speaker 14: to sell it. We will be uncertain partners countries would
[34:58] Speaker 14: pull out of buy.
[35:00] Speaker 1: The policy of the opposition had at the last election.
[35:01] Speaker 1: Oh that's right they did, all right. Now. I want
[35:06] Speaker 1: to get a couple of other things here which are
[35:08] Speaker 1: going to be hot buttons. But are we going to
[35:09] Speaker 1: go there anyway? I fully support the idea that is
[35:13] Speaker 1: currently making its way through the Parliament, which is that
[35:15] Speaker 1: the parents have stillborn babies will be able to access
[35:18] Speaker 1: paid parental leave because if you are part of that club,
[35:22] Speaker 1: and you all know my reason for caring so deeply
[35:25] Speaker 1: about this is that I want people to have that
[35:27] Speaker 1: full support. There is no choice involved in this scenario.
[35:30] Speaker 1: There is some detail inside the legislation which people are
[35:32] Speaker 1: starting to point out that does trouble me. Okay, is
[35:36] Speaker 1: it enough of reason to scutt all the whole thing?
[35:37] Speaker 9: No?
[35:38] Speaker 1: Is there something that could and should be amended if
[35:40] Speaker 1: the two major parties get together on this in the Senate. Yeah,
[35:43] Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? We are talking about
[35:46] Speaker 1: paid parental leave access for people who choose to end
[35:49] Speaker 1: a pregnancy. Choose to end a pregnancy right up until
[35:52] Speaker 1: the day before the baby was due to be born. Therefore,
[35:56] Speaker 1: of course the baby born is technically stillborn. Of course,
[36:00] Speaker 1: the reasons very different than the intentions of that term.
[36:04] Speaker 10: What's called infanticide.
[36:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Hasty has had plenty to say about this,
[36:09] Speaker 1: along with others inside the Parliament. This is what he
[36:11] Speaker 1: had to say in support of the bill. But wanting
[36:14] Speaker 1: a change to this very important bit of fine print.
[36:18] Speaker 15: I support the intent of this bill, Baby Prayer's Bill
[36:23] Speaker 15: to uphold and preserve employer funded paid parental leave for
[36:29] Speaker 15: those who've lost a child in stillbirth or immediately after.
[36:34] Speaker 15: But I do call upon the government to clarify that
[36:37] Speaker 15: it does not apply to late term abortions, and that
[36:40] Speaker 15: is the question at the heart of my speech.
[36:43] Speaker 1: Now, my colleague and friend, Peter Kredlin showed the text
[36:46] Speaker 1: of the bill. It is very clear that that is
[36:48] Speaker 1: one of the consequences of it. Lucy, this seems like
[36:52] Speaker 1: a fairly simple distinction to be made, but it is
[36:55] Speaker 1: one that if Labor and the Grains want to just ignore,
[36:58] Speaker 1: it will become the law, and this.
[36:59] Speaker 11: Will be the change which I expect that they will
[37:01] Speaker 11: ignore because of their positions on this. It's not new
[37:05] Speaker 11: to a lot of us that they are very staunch
[37:08] Speaker 11: in defending the rights of a woman to be able
[37:10] Speaker 11: to terminate a baby up until the late stages of pregnancy,
[37:13] Speaker 11: and as you pointed out, even the day before they
[37:16] Speaker 11: are due to deliver. It's something that Stephen and I
[37:18] Speaker 11: have debated about and which he's questioned, is this actually occurring.
[37:22] Speaker 11: The fact of the matter is it is occurring, and
[37:24] Speaker 11: I think that it is a real light on humanity
[37:29] Speaker 11: that we are allowing something like this to occur, and
[37:31] Speaker 11: further to that point, that we are then awarding this
[37:34] Speaker 11: payment to parents.
[37:36] Speaker 10: That is not to.
[37:36] Speaker 11: Say that the decision to do so would not be
[37:40] Speaker 11: a terribly difficult one to make, but the decision to
[37:44] Speaker 11: terminate a healthy, viable baby of which the mother is
[37:48] Speaker 11: still required to give birth to, and that she hasn't
[37:50] Speaker 11: in that moment made the decision to potentially give birth
[37:54] Speaker 11: to the baby and put it.
[37:55] Speaker 10: Up for adoption.
[37:56] Speaker 11: Why isn't that a possibility there? I know so many
[37:59] Speaker 11: beautiful people who have struggled with fertility issues who would
[38:02] Speaker 11: love to have a healthy, beautiful baby to care for.
[38:05] Speaker 11: But the fact that we are choosing to then give
[38:08] Speaker 11: that money to parents who willfully make that decision to
[38:11] Speaker 11: terminate the life of a healthy baby, it is something
[38:14] Speaker 11: that is so wrong. And I applaud Andrew Hasty and
[38:17] Speaker 11: several others who have committed to putting their names to that.
[38:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Stephen, you can be pro choice, right
[38:23] Speaker 1: and I am a person who's pro choice and understaid,
[38:26] Speaker 1: there may not be everyone's view, but I'm okay with that.
[38:29] Speaker 1: But it does feel like that the intention of a
[38:31] Speaker 1: bill that is very much about trauma may well end
[38:36] Speaker 1: up opening a loophole that most decent people, you would imagine,
[38:40] Speaker 1: don't expect is the same consequence.
[38:45] Speaker 14: Look, I think Andrew's raised a very fair point and
[38:49] Speaker 14: the government's address it and be clear. I think that's
[38:52] Speaker 14: a very reasonable request. I mean, you can look at
[38:54] Speaker 14: legislation and people can take different interpretations, and that's what
[38:58] Speaker 14: we pay lawyers to do, argue black as white. But
[39:01] Speaker 14: I think it's very fair of Andrew to raise that.
[39:04] Speaker 14: I welcome his support for the overall bill and the
[39:07] Speaker 14: tensions of the bill, and I think he asked a
[39:09] Speaker 14: fair question. So I think the government should take time
[39:12] Speaker 14: to spell out exactly their intent and how this legislation
[39:19] Speaker 14: meets their intent, and if it isn't their intent, then
[39:23] Speaker 14: they may consider a change, but they should be upfront
[39:26] Speaker 14: and just be clear that this is the intent. This
[39:29] Speaker 14: is the words that mean the following.
[39:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Look, i've got sixty seconds left,
[39:34] Speaker 1: but let's talk about the Matilda's with two massive football fans.
[39:37] Speaker 1: Broadcaster administrator here. Now, my missus loves them, so we
[39:42] Speaker 1: were up this morning, yes six o'clock in this morning,
[39:44] Speaker 1: watching them. But they went down to England and something
[39:46] Speaker 1: that was really obvious Lucy to the non technical eye
[39:49] Speaker 1: was our team's older than the English team, who are
[39:53] Speaker 1: fresher who just won a major international title. Is it
[39:57] Speaker 1: time to find the next generation rather than just the
[40:00] Speaker 1: people who can sell a lot of shirts.
[40:03] Speaker 11: Well, a lot of emphasis has been put on the
[40:05] Speaker 11: people that can sell shirts, a chief among them Sam Kerr,
[40:08] Speaker 11: who of course we know was very quietly reinstated as captain.
[40:11] Speaker 10: But that's also a separate topic. Yeah, we do need
[40:14] Speaker 10: fresh legs.
[40:15] Speaker 11: We are an aging squad, an aging generation and we
[40:18] Speaker 11: have loved this Matilda's generation for a number of years now,
[40:21] Speaker 11: stretching back to twenty fifteen when we were able to
[40:23] Speaker 11: create history as the first point of asking and getting
[40:27] Speaker 11: over that hurdle of reaching the quarters, and then that,
[40:30] Speaker 11: of course we built upon that and then reach the
[40:32] Speaker 11: semis and we have this extraordinary Women's World.
[40:35] Speaker 10: Cup here on Australian soil. It's wonderful.
[40:37] Speaker 11: But the one thing that I've raised, and I wrote
[40:39] Speaker 11: about it in the Citny Morning Herald at the time,
[40:41] Speaker 11: after that glory that we experienced here in Australian store,
[40:46] Speaker 11: was you know, how soon is too soon to start
[40:49] Speaker 11: critiquing the Matildas and to be honest about this team.
[40:52] Speaker 10: These are professional athletes now.
[40:54] Speaker 12: And the part of that we need to of professional sports,
[40:57] Speaker 12: that we need to be able to have honest conversations
[41:00] Speaker 12: and robust analysis about the state of this team, and
[41:02] Speaker 12: a lot of people shy away because don't talk about them.
[41:06] Speaker 1: Saven less than thirty seconds, can you comment out all
[41:08] Speaker 1: on this issue as a man who was part of.
[41:10] Speaker 14: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, we can't
[41:15] Speaker 14: ignore the fact that the women's A League got ranked
[41:22] Speaker 14: the number one league in Asia. The Melbourne City women
[41:27] Speaker 14: were magnificent. They almost won the Asian Elite Cup. So
[41:32] Speaker 14: we are bringing through the next generation the transfers over
[41:36] Speaker 14: the scenes through.
[41:37] Speaker 10: The women's team.
[41:38] Speaker 11: Though, that's the.
[41:39] Speaker 14: Problem I've going to jump here, so really fasting, Well,
[41:41] Speaker 14: that's a that's a selection, that's a selection decision. What
[41:44] Speaker 14: I'm saying is that the pool of women coming through
[41:48] Speaker 14: are very talented. It's always hard to bring the new
[41:51] Speaker 14: in when you've got superstars. When's the time to transition them?
[41:55] Speaker 6: All?
[41:55] Speaker 14: Really really valid questions?
[41:57] Speaker 1: All Right, Well, I'm sure the ker lovers are now
[41:59] Speaker 1: formerly the lodging complaints with as many authorities as possible,
[42:03] Speaker 1: so hopefully we can record you this stay.
[42:04] Speaker 9: She shouldn't be Captain. I'll leave you with that, Bay,
[42:07] Speaker 9: I love you Dlan.
[42:08] Speaker 1: Now she drops the bomb. Thank you guys to appreciate it.
[42:11] Speaker 1: The great Megan Kelly is next. Thanks for watching. Love it.
[42:18] Speaker 1: It's our favorite time of the week because we get
[42:20] Speaker 1: to talk to our favorite person in the world, the one,
[42:22] Speaker 1: the only, the wonderful Megan Kelly. Meghan, how are you?
[42:25] Speaker 9: I am great, Paul.
[42:26] Speaker 2: It's so fun to be out on the road, and
[42:28] Speaker 2: it's also very nice to be back on my couch, supine.
[42:31] Speaker 1: Now, there's some big news out of Washington, DC today,
[42:34] Speaker 1: which is Joe Biden's former chief of staff, former campaign
[42:38] Speaker 1: manager has dropped an eight million dollar bombshell that perhaps
[42:42] Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they kept him in office
[42:45] Speaker 1: was so they could get paid.
[42:47] Speaker 9: Oh MG.
[42:48] Speaker 2: So this guy, Mike Donolan was on the inner inner
[42:51] Speaker 2: circle of the Joe Biden world and I think arguably
[42:55] Speaker 2: the top advisor to Joe Biden since nineteen eighty one.
[42:59] Speaker 9: And he was subpoena did and he had to give a.
[43:02] Speaker 2: Deposition to the House Overset Committee just a couple months ago.
[43:05] Speaker 2: But we're just now getting our look at the videotape
[43:07] Speaker 2: in which they were trying to ferret out what the
[43:11] Speaker 2: incentives were on his inner circle to keep this you know,
[43:17] Speaker 2: half comatose elderly nursing home patient upright and get him
[43:23] Speaker 2: over the finish line in.
[43:24] Speaker 9: A presidential election.
[43:26] Speaker 2: And they followed the money, which brought them right to
[43:31] Speaker 2: the gold and the magic answer, you know, which was payola.
[43:35] Speaker 2: This guy testified that Mike Donaldan is his name. He
[43:39] Speaker 2: was being paid four million dollars to work on the
[43:42] Speaker 2: campaign to get Joe Biden reelected, and he had a
[43:46] Speaker 2: four million dollar bonus waiting for him if Joe Biden
[43:52] Speaker 2: won reelection. That's eight million dollars to get Joe Biden reelected,
[43:57] Speaker 2: which is totally out of whack with what most politico
[44:02] Speaker 2: operatives would get. These politicos don't get eight million dollars.
[44:06] Speaker 2: That's extraordinary money for what this guy was paid to do,
[44:10] Speaker 2: and all of that would be a scandal standalone. But
[44:13] Speaker 2: when you see the videotape of him hemming and hawing
[44:19] Speaker 2: in an effort to.
[44:20] Speaker 9: Avoid having to answer the question, it is so telling.
[44:26] Speaker 8: In my view, the money was.
[44:38] Speaker 14: That it was a guarantee of the campaign that we'd
[44:44] Speaker 14: had a negotiation, and that's my memory.
[44:47] Speaker 8: Of the agreement.
[44:48] Speaker 9: What what?
[44:50] Speaker 2: And they had to do multiple follow ups to get
[44:52] Speaker 2: him to just spit out the truth, which was he
[44:54] Speaker 2: had another four mil on the line if he could
[44:57] Speaker 2: get weekend at Bernie's over the finish line and now
[45:00] Speaker 2: sitting here under oath, did not want to give it up,
[45:03] Speaker 2: but was forced to.
[45:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that evisiveness that has provide the Boden Whitehouse,
[45:08] Speaker 1: from laws about his health to the cheap fakes when
[45:12] Speaker 1: videos could say that he wasn't up to it. Little
[45:14] Speaker 1: line the economy is fine because this stat is better
[45:18] Speaker 1: than your lived experience. But of course all of that
[45:20] Speaker 1: came to an end when he melted before our vices,
[45:23] Speaker 1: and then the media started to do their job.
[45:26] Speaker 2: Yes, and then ever since they've been playing the were.
[45:30] Speaker 9: Shocked, shocked game shocked. I couldn't believe it either.
[45:33] Speaker 2: We've never seen anything like it, and of course we
[45:35] Speaker 2: all know that's lies. That's which brings us to the
[45:38] Speaker 2: Kareean Jean Pierre interview with The New Yorker where she
[45:42] Speaker 2: just got killed.
[45:43] Speaker 9: I mean, her career is over.
[45:44] Speaker 2: As a result of this devastating interview, she gave to
[45:46] Speaker 2: what she thought was a friendly leftist reporter for The
[45:50] Speaker 2: New Yorker, and you know, he got right to it too.
[45:53] Speaker 9: Like she tried the id.
[45:55] Speaker 2: I'd never seen anything like that debate, and he was
[45:57] Speaker 2: like other than what we all saw every day on
[46:00] Speaker 2: the television.
[46:01] Speaker 9: You mean, he didn't let her get away with it.
[46:03] Speaker 2: For once, we had a leftist reporter, not left letting
[46:06] Speaker 2: a lefty Paul type or representative get away.
[46:09] Speaker 9: With just flat out lies. But you're right that these
[46:12] Speaker 9: people are not used.
[46:13] Speaker 2: To that, whether it's Mike Donaldan in this sit down
[46:16] Speaker 2: with the House over Say Committee, Korean, Jean Pierre with
[46:18] Speaker 2: the New Yorker, that crazy Katie Porter who's running for
[46:21] Speaker 2: governor in California.
[46:22] Speaker 9: You know, like, I'm done, I'm stopping. I'm calling it right.
[46:25] Speaker 2: Because she couldn't stand getting asked a couple of mildly
[46:28] Speaker 2: tough follow ups. The left is not used to left
[46:32] Speaker 2: on left blood, you know, it's it's always the righties
[46:34] Speaker 2: who have to deal with this. But in each of
[46:37] Speaker 2: those circumstances, there was something unique. House Oversights run by
[46:41] Speaker 2: the Republicans, so he had to answer, and they were
[46:43] Speaker 2: tough questions. Katie Porter was dealing with an open primary
[46:46] Speaker 2: in which she's running against other Democrats. So that's when
[46:49] Speaker 2: the media will do its job, and Karine Jean Pierre
[46:51] Speaker 2: is now no longer useful to these Democrats who run
[46:54] Speaker 2: the media, and they're mad at her, and they're mad
[46:56] Speaker 2: at Joe Biden for costing them the presidency, so she's
[46:59] Speaker 2: fair game.
[46:59] Speaker 9: None of them is used to this now.
[47:01] Speaker 1: I always love when the liars in the media tried
[47:04] Speaker 1: to pretend exactly the opposite is true, that I live
[47:08] Speaker 1: in this alternative universe with a Jedi mind trick. We
[47:11] Speaker 1: never called Trump Hitler, Well, guess what you did, and
[47:15] Speaker 1: we have the type to prove it. What I know
[47:18] Speaker 1: is in the early days of the Nazi regime, they
[47:21] Speaker 1: started slowly but surely taking away people's rights.
[47:24] Speaker 8: And what we're seeing now is the very same thing.
[47:26] Speaker 14: Are you unified, Reich. That's Hittler's language, That's not America's.
[47:30] Speaker 15: It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump
[47:35] Speaker 15: would invoke Adolf Hitler.
[47:36] Speaker 14: Talks about the blood of America is being poisoned.
[47:40] Speaker 9: That going the same exact language.
[47:44] Speaker 14: Used the Nazi Germany.
[47:45] Speaker 8: And see what happened in Germany back in the nineteen thirties.
[47:49] Speaker 5: I never thought that could happen in this country.
[47:52] Speaker 7: How do you elect a person.
[47:53] Speaker 1: President then all of a sudden give him the authority
[47:58] Speaker 1: to be dictator.
[47:59] Speaker 8: Hitler you immigration and racism as their base, and that
[48:03] Speaker 8: is what Trump has done.
[48:04] Speaker 1: He used to hit the rest.
[48:06] Speaker 9: It's amazing to me.
[48:06] Speaker 2: So I the best I can figure, if I want
[48:09] Speaker 2: to give them the benefit of the doubt, is that
[48:13] Speaker 2: they're trying to rely on the fact that no one
[48:18] Speaker 2: really said Trump is Hitler. They did, by the way,
[48:22] Speaker 2: they did that too, but maybe that's their defense. I
[48:25] Speaker 2: didn't say the words Trump is Hitler. He's the modern
[48:28] Speaker 2: day Hitler. There's ten thousand sound bites of them saying,
[48:32] Speaker 2: you know who else did what Trump is doing, Adolf Hitler.
[48:35] Speaker 2: I never understood how the Germans could go along with
[48:37] Speaker 2: Adolf Hitler until I saw Maga and the way they
[48:40] Speaker 2: take in Trump like endless comments like that, it's irrelevant.
[48:44] Speaker 2: What does Trump actually is the physical embodiment of Hitler?
[48:47] Speaker 2: Even mean, of course nobody's really saying that, although we
[48:49] Speaker 2: did find a few, but like, of course that's not
[48:51] Speaker 2: the point. That's an impossible thing to do. You can't
[48:54] Speaker 2: reincarnate as President Trump. I mean, I suppose, like maybe
[48:58] Speaker 2: some Hindus believe that, but others. So of course, the
[49:02] Speaker 2: point is simply you have constantly compared Trump to Hitler,
[49:06] Speaker 2: which by the way, is a big deal. Up until Trump,
[49:09] Speaker 2: that was a hard no in American conversation. I don't
[49:12] Speaker 2: know how it is around the rest of the world,
[49:14] Speaker 2: but an American conversation, it's a hard no to compare
[49:17] Speaker 2: anything to the Holocaust or anyone to Hitler, because he
[49:20] Speaker 2: was of course uniquely evil.
[49:23] Speaker 1: Absolutely. You can find the Mgan Kelly Show on Spotify
[49:26] Speaker 1: podcast or of course on YouTube. We'll see you tomorrow.

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