# Paul Murray Live | 14 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 14 Oct 2025, 50 min.

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Liberal Leader Sussan Ley urges for an investigation into Senator Lidia Thorpe, armed carjacking shakes Melbourne's CBD as Premier Jacinta Allan declares Victoria is 'safe'. Plus, Israeli hostages reunite with their families. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you so
[0:06] Speaker 1: much for watching. Come on into the man Cave. We've
[0:08] Speaker 1: got a lot of telling to get on top of
[0:11] Speaker 1: the big night last night. Important for you to see
[0:14] Speaker 1: everything happening as it was happening in Israel. Will discuss
[0:17] Speaker 1: if there's lots of other things to get to, including
[0:19] Speaker 1: Paramount of Council has made its decision about whether or
[0:22] Speaker 1: not it is going to sanction. Do you sit at
[0:25] Speaker 1: Ampi Jipper price for the Labor Party characterization of what
[0:29] Speaker 1: you did or didn't say about Indian voters. This is ridiculous.
[0:34] Speaker 1: I will make a clear comment in a moment or
[0:36] Speaker 1: two time. Some really interesting polling I'm going to go
[0:39] Speaker 1: through because Samarus as always the man who does dig
[0:42] Speaker 1: into the detail. It's about ned zero basically thirty seven
[0:45] Speaker 1: percent say to the lips should get rid of it.
[0:46] Speaker 1: Thirty seven percent a stay well, that group that is
[0:49] Speaker 1: in the don't know. Are they like the referendum where
[0:52] Speaker 1: they're secretly moving in one direction? Are they making an
[0:55] Speaker 1: excuse for those who want resolution? This is an important
[0:59] Speaker 1: chap to have and march for Australia. It's organizers, so
[1:02] Speaker 1: they're back and they're back as early as this weekend,
[1:04] Speaker 1: and our next location is not this Sunday, but next
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[1:22] Speaker 1: there are some people who don't vote Labor or Greens
[1:24] Speaker 1: in the Act. I assume you will be part of
[1:26] Speaker 1: the number. There are plenty everywhere from Gold and Yas
[1:29] Speaker 1: and all other parts around the Act and New South
[1:32] Speaker 1: Wales join us too, outtown. It's skynews dot com dot au. Now,
[1:37] Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, at this time last night, we were
[1:40] Speaker 1: paying attention to the incredible events that were taking place
[1:43] Speaker 1: in Israel. And as you have seen a hundred times,
[1:46] Speaker 1: may I be the one hundred and first to show
[1:48] Speaker 1: you the happy moments when people finally got to be
[1:51] Speaker 1: reunited with their families after the terror of being in
[1:55] Speaker 1: a tunnel for two years. One full on That one
[2:29] Speaker 1: in particular got me because that young man was being
[2:32] Speaker 1: reunited with his father, the bloke with the glasses who
[2:35] Speaker 1: tried to learn to walk again and to be able
[2:38] Speaker 1: to talk again after his son had been captured and
[2:43] Speaker 1: he wanted to be able to meet him by being
[2:44] Speaker 1: able to stand. He was able to stand, but not
[2:46] Speaker 1: able to talk that much. Incredible about the difficulties in
[2:49] Speaker 1: people's lives, no doubt, as well the great difficulty of
[2:53] Speaker 1: the next little while as everyone in all that part
[2:56] Speaker 1: of the world trying to put themselves back together. But
[2:58] Speaker 1: obviously the only reason and this took place was because
[3:01] Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Now, you can like or dislike the
[3:03] Speaker 1: Orange Man, but I'll tell you what, He's played a
[3:05] Speaker 1: blind in the past twenty four hours, because not only
[3:08] Speaker 1: was he lapping it up in Israel, but also he
[3:11] Speaker 1: was locking in basically every country in the area or
[3:16] Speaker 1: has been historically in the area, to back peace. We're
[3:20] Speaker 1: talking about Qatar that has been more than happy to
[3:23] Speaker 1: let Hamas officials live in their cities. The only exception
[3:30] Speaker 1: is Iran, for obvious reasons, not doing any deals with
[3:32] Speaker 1: the United States. But the diplomacy here is unbelievable to
[3:37] Speaker 1: see now again, no one, no one knows what happens tomorrow,
[3:42] Speaker 1: next week, next month, next year. But let's be really clear,
[3:47] Speaker 1: when previous piece deals have been done, even when they
[3:49] Speaker 1: were done with Israeli prime ministers who ended up getting
[3:53] Speaker 1: assassinated in part because of the deal that they had done,
[3:56] Speaker 1: nobody looks back and turns around and says, oh, then
[3:58] Speaker 1: the deal is void. The moment of triumph for the
[4:01] Speaker 1: president is obvious, but it is incredible to see the
[4:06] Speaker 1: sort of passive, aggressive take that much of the world's
[4:09] Speaker 1: media has put on this. The past twenty four hours
[4:11] Speaker 1: had been unadulteratedly good. They've been unadulteratedly good for the
[4:17] Speaker 1: people of Israel because they've got their people back, and
[4:21] Speaker 1: unadulteratedly good for the people of Gaza because the bombs
[4:24] Speaker 1: have stopped. This means, for a brief moment in time,
[4:30] Speaker 1: the harshest of enemies were able to breathe the same
[4:33] Speaker 1: air at the same time, and it was a sense
[4:35] Speaker 1: of relief. Yet, have a look at how the media always,
[4:39] Speaker 1: whenever it's Trump, wants to bring an asterisk and put
[4:41] Speaker 1: a dirty, big asterisk next to the achievements of a
[4:44] Speaker 1: president who has clearly outperformed his predecessor and clearly stands
[4:49] Speaker 1: above many of his other predecessors in terms of the
[4:53] Speaker 1: depth and scope of the deal that he has done. Again,
[4:57] Speaker 1: I don't know what happens next week, but no one does.
[5:00] Speaker 1: And how hard is it for these people to turner
[5:01] Speaker 1: in and see what they have seen with their own
[5:03] Speaker 1: eyes and give credit to the bloke and made it happen.
[5:07] Speaker 2: You know, we welcome the truly historic commitment and of
[5:10] Speaker 2: the Trump Peace Agreement.
[5:12] Speaker 1: We support and stand behind President Trump's sincere efforts. It's
[5:16] Speaker 1: going to hold up.
[5:19] Speaker 3: It's going to hold up, he says.
[5:21] Speaker 2: That's something there in Egypt capping off in momentous day.
[5:24] Speaker 3: We don't exactly know what the things were that he signed,
[5:26] Speaker 3: but they purported to be related to the Israeli Hamas
[5:30] Speaker 3: ceasefire deal. Nothing has been ironed out, nothing has been
[5:33] Speaker 3: agreed to, because you don't want to overpromise and under deliver.
[5:38] Speaker 3: But Trump's strategy is the exact opposite. If you overpromise,
[5:41] Speaker 3: people will have to deliver. What he has done is
[5:44] Speaker 3: put the cart before the horse. There's absolutely no peace agreement,
[5:47] Speaker 3: there's a ceasefire, there's no understanding of how Gaza will
[5:51] Speaker 3: be ruled.
[5:53] Speaker 1: The reality of life if you are somebody who wants
[5:55] Speaker 1: to observe it in daily format, in formats like this,
[6:00] Speaker 1: the ones that I've just shown you, is that sometimes
[6:02] Speaker 1: there are days that are clearly bigger than others. There
[6:06] Speaker 1: are days that are slowly one more straw on a
[6:09] Speaker 1: camel's back, and then there are days where there is
[6:11] Speaker 1: a giant pivot where the tectonic plates of the world,
[6:16] Speaker 1: as big or as small as the topic may be,
[6:19] Speaker 1: do actually move. And yesterday was one of those days.
[6:22] Speaker 1: Now you can go back to hating him tomorrow, you
[6:25] Speaker 1: can have not voted for him yesterday. But how can
[6:27] Speaker 1: anyone not conclude that what has happened in the past
[6:29] Speaker 1: twenty four hours is pretty exceptional To see creates great difficulties,
[6:34] Speaker 1: no doubt, because now that people are back to the
[6:38] Speaker 1: beginnings of everyday life, it can be incredibly difficult for
[6:42] Speaker 1: the people who may well have the survivor's gill, or
[6:44] Speaker 1: those that are trying to go through the rubble to
[6:47] Speaker 1: find the remains of their family members. And one thing
[6:51] Speaker 1: that we absolutely have to remember, and in my view,
[6:54] Speaker 1: that we are lucky enough to celebrate, is that we
[6:59] Speaker 1: didn't do anything special to get born here. But I'm
[7:03] Speaker 1: one of millions of people who are bloody thankful that
[7:07] Speaker 1: we were very lucky that we were. And yes, there
[7:12] Speaker 1: have been times where it has been easier to look away,
[7:16] Speaker 1: and I've been one of the people that's not talking
[7:17] Speaker 1: about it all day every day because this country is
[7:20] Speaker 1: the focus. But this is one of those days where
[7:23] Speaker 1: if you are lucky enough to be born here, you
[7:25] Speaker 1: get to go, jeez, thank goodness. If somebody's come to
[7:27] Speaker 1: the country, you again get the ability to say, how
[7:30] Speaker 1: good is this? But equally, if you're somebody who wants
[7:32] Speaker 1: to drag the issues of other parts of the world
[7:35] Speaker 1: and try to make them everything in this part of
[7:36] Speaker 1: the world, may you be reminded of your surroundings, which
[7:39] Speaker 1: are pretty freaking good at being Australia. Now, before I
[7:46] Speaker 1: get into all of the obvious, can I just give
[7:49] Speaker 1: a yea for the day, a trophy, a gold medal,
[7:52] Speaker 1: a big thumbs up, a gold star from the news
[7:55] Speaker 1: agency to one of my favorite politicians in the country, Leophanookie.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Now she is the COLP leader, she is the Northern
[8:06] Speaker 1: Territories Chief Minister. She's somebody were backed in for a
[8:10] Speaker 1: long time. Years before she became the leader. We talked
[8:15] Speaker 1: to her on the show as an aspiring politician and
[8:19] Speaker 1: aspiring leader. We've seen her face to face a couple
[8:21] Speaker 1: of times in Darwin and spoken to her many times
[8:24] Speaker 1: across her journey. Well, I'll tell you what, Yet again today,
[8:27] Speaker 1: after becoming the leader, she shows us the rock star
[8:30] Speaker 1: that she is again, just like I told you last week,
[8:33] Speaker 1: let's look for hope. Every liberal was getting hope out
[8:36] Speaker 1: of James Patterson last week. And while I'm not a liberal,
[8:39] Speaker 1: those that are, of course people who prefer them to
[8:42] Speaker 1: the Labor Party. Let's be very clear, there is hope
[8:46] Speaker 1: on the horizon, and the horizon today comes from the
[8:49] Speaker 1: far North, comes from beautiful Darwin. Because today the Chief
[8:54] Speaker 1: Minister made it very clear there will be no bending
[9:00] Speaker 1: of the rules about who ends up in a male
[9:02] Speaker 1: or a female prison, or, as she puts it, in
[9:05] Speaker 1: the best way, someone from Darwin.
[9:08] Speaker 4: Can here in the Northern Territory. If you're a bloat,
[9:12] Speaker 4: you go to a men's prison. If you're a woman,
[9:14] Speaker 4: you go to women's prison.
[9:16] Speaker 1: By the way, for the polite people that are saying, well,
[9:19] Speaker 1: you can talk about that Starwin, you can talk like
[9:22] Speaker 1: that anywhere in the country. And for those that will
[9:25] Speaker 1: be deeply offended by what she said. Don't clarity, right,
[9:28] Speaker 1: good clean moral clarity that exists inside political leadership. And
[9:32] Speaker 1: it is not a fluke because in the past, when
[9:36] Speaker 1: people were tut tutting back in the start of September
[9:39] Speaker 1: and they were tut tutting the idea that women before
[9:43] Speaker 1: they are victims of crime in the Northern Territory would
[9:48] Speaker 1: be able to defend themselves with things like pepper spray.
[9:52] Speaker 1: This again is the clarity of the type of person
[9:55] Speaker 1: that I would love to be leading a place like Victoria.
[9:59] Speaker 1: And compare her attitude in Darwin to Jacinta Allen's in Victoria. Well,
[10:06] Speaker 1: compare the pair, as they.
[10:07] Speaker 4: Say, from today you will be able to legally purchase
[10:11] Speaker 4: pepper spray for your own self defense, to buy you
[10:14] Speaker 4: time to get away, so that you don't have to
[10:16] Speaker 4: scrape and scramble for the stick or the rock to
[10:18] Speaker 4: defend yourself, so that you don't have to end up
[10:21] Speaker 4: in hand to hand combat with someone who's formed that
[10:24] Speaker 4: view to hurt you.
[10:25] Speaker 1: She's a rockstar, honestly, just into her forties. Right, huge
[10:29] Speaker 1: political career locally and then hopefully a huge one in Canberra.
[10:33] Speaker 1: The people in charge of the center right of politics.
[10:37] Speaker 1: Study what she's doing. She's fantastic at what she's doing.
[10:40] Speaker 1: She's fantastic at the message that she puts out, and
[10:42] Speaker 1: she's fantastic in the clear decisions she is making. Talking
[10:45] Speaker 1: like a normal person. Sometimes things are black and white,
[10:48] Speaker 1: no matter how often palatothority would like to introduce as
[10:52] Speaker 1: much gray. When sometimes there is black and white, sometimes
[10:55] Speaker 1: there is the good and bad. Like what about when
[10:58] Speaker 1: she was giving it to the protesters who were having
[11:00] Speaker 1: a go at a mining conference. She kind of worked
[11:03] Speaker 1: out that they weren't many locals that were blowing.
[11:06] Speaker 4: Up and the activist standing out the front. You are
[11:10] Speaker 4: wasting your time. Go back to Victoria or wherever else
[11:15] Speaker 4: you want to cause trouble, but you are not welcome here.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Lea for nooki aaro. That's a rock star, that's a
[11:22] Speaker 1: political rock star. She's always welcome on this program. But
[11:25] Speaker 1: I want the rest of the country to know what
[11:26] Speaker 1: we have known for a long time. She is a star.
[11:31] Speaker 1: The endless debate in this country about which way to
[11:33] Speaker 1: go when it comes to net zero now, according to
[11:35] Speaker 1: Chris Bowen recording the Prime Minister, net zero equals climate
[11:39] Speaker 1: change and if you don't want to do ned zero,
[11:41] Speaker 1: then somehow you don't want to do anything about climate change,
[11:43] Speaker 1: and therefore you are on the wrong side of history.
[11:47] Speaker 1: You will doom our country to an endless world of
[11:50] Speaker 1: intense bushfires and floods. And forget what history tells you.
[11:54] Speaker 1: There is no piece of paper that can prove that Australia,
[11:58] Speaker 1: acting alone, be able to change the weather. The reality,
[12:02] Speaker 1: of course, is that we're one percent of the world's problems.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Matt Canavan. Of course he's arguing the opposite. He's arguing
[12:08] Speaker 1: that a country like Australia does not have to cut
[12:10] Speaker 1: off one arm, does not have to hop on one
[12:13] Speaker 1: leg in order to gendfleck in the way of the
[12:17] Speaker 1: people who are not doing much work. Remember Australia one
[12:20] Speaker 1: percent of the problem. China thirty three percent of the problem.
[12:23] Speaker 1: All of what we produce snapped up by China in
[12:26] Speaker 1: just over two weeks. But nothing to see here. Now.
[12:31] Speaker 1: I have been somebody who has been led by the
[12:33] Speaker 1: data and the past two federal elections, but certainly the
[12:36] Speaker 1: most recent federal election, to suggest that okay, maybe something
[12:39] Speaker 1: has cracked. Maybe we have moved to a position where
[12:42] Speaker 1: unless you have some sort of a position that is
[12:47] Speaker 1: different than the dumb net zero position. Then you're never
[12:49] Speaker 1: going to win an election again. Now remember that's different
[12:53] Speaker 1: from should we have a net zero position, which, again
[12:56] Speaker 1: my position is well, you're one percent of the world's problem.
[12:59] Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to fix anything. But
[13:01] Speaker 1: is there something while the number of people who believe
[13:03] Speaker 1: in God has gone like this, the number of people
[13:05] Speaker 1: who believe in the environment has gone like that, that
[13:09] Speaker 1: maybe something has changed in the Australian population. There are
[13:12] Speaker 1: two very different things between what you believe and what
[13:15] Speaker 1: would be a political result. So for the past couple
[13:18] Speaker 1: of nights I've been fascinated by an opinion poll which
[13:22] Speaker 1: was done by our mate cost Samarus for the red
[13:24] Speaker 1: Bridge Group, published in the Australian Financial Review. It shows
[13:27] Speaker 1: basically the same number of people would like the Liberal
[13:30] Speaker 1: Party to drop or the Coalition to drop near zero
[13:33] Speaker 1: twenty fifty as the same number of people who say
[13:35] Speaker 1: don't drop it. So the question becomes twenty six percent.
[13:40] Speaker 1: Now this gray area of don't know. Are these the
[13:42] Speaker 1: same people who sat in the don't know column when
[13:47] Speaker 1: it came to the Voice they were the difference between
[13:49] Speaker 1: sixty forty yes and sixty forty no. Which way are
[13:54] Speaker 1: these people leaning? Because once you actually look a little
[13:58] Speaker 1: deeper into this again, should the Coalition abandon net zero?
[14:03] Speaker 1: All voters? Thirty seven percent yes, no, thirty seven percent
[14:08] Speaker 1: not sure. Twenty six percent majority of coalition voters say yeah,
[14:14] Speaker 1: let's get rid of it. Twenty four percent say no,
[14:16] Speaker 1: twenty two percent are not sure. So, okay, is there
[14:21] Speaker 1: some opportunity all right, if you decide to get rid
[14:24] Speaker 1: of it? Are there people who agree with you who
[14:25] Speaker 1: wouldn't otherwise vote for you? Well, twenty three percent of
[14:28] Speaker 1: labor people claim that the Coalition should get rid of
[14:31] Speaker 1: net zero? Now again, very particular words that are used here, right,
[14:36] Speaker 1: which is today want the coalition to get rid of
[14:38] Speaker 1: near zero because I think it's better for labor, better
[14:39] Speaker 1: for the grands. I don't know, well, last cause the
[14:42] Speaker 1: man behind this year because this is probably the only
[14:45] Speaker 1: data in the market that actually tells us where the
[14:48] Speaker 1: opportunities are of abandoning net zero or sticking by it
[14:53] Speaker 1: but finding a different way to get there. In terms
[14:56] Speaker 1: of the age groups, percent of z say no, forty
[15:02] Speaker 1: three percent of millennials say no. But then it flips
[15:07] Speaker 1: once you start to move towards Gen X, so sort
[15:09] Speaker 1: of thirty five and above, or sorry, millennials, which is
[15:13] Speaker 1: thirty five and above sort of cuspers about forty five
[15:16] Speaker 1: for Gen x's that's thirty nine percent, saying yes, fifty
[15:20] Speaker 1: percent of baby boomers, but again a third of millennials
[15:23] Speaker 1: and a bit less than one in five Gen Z.
[15:27] Speaker 1: Is that areas that could be open for discussion, thirty
[15:31] Speaker 1: five percent in that gray area twenty eight twenty eight nineteen.
[15:36] Speaker 1: Are they up for grabs? Are they being too polite?
[15:39] Speaker 1: Are they answering the not understanding the question? We'll all
[15:42] Speaker 1: find out together, cause samaras head of the Redbridge Group.
[15:44] Speaker 1: He'll join us before we are done tonight. If you
[15:47] Speaker 1: care about whether the coalition should or shouldn't have Net
[15:49] Speaker 1: zero a must watch conversation. Susan Lee has decided to
[15:55] Speaker 1: get involved, and rightly so, about the madness that has
[15:58] Speaker 1: been Lidia Thorpe of the past couple of days, before
[16:01] Speaker 1: the events in Israel took over much of the news headlines,
[16:05] Speaker 1: it felt like what we're going to be talking about
[16:07] Speaker 1: this week was going to be her comments. Susan Lee,
[16:10] Speaker 1: in her letter to the Federal Parliament today, has said
[16:14] Speaker 1: to the presiding officers ie the people technically in charge
[16:17] Speaker 1: of the Senate or the House like as a machine.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Dear presiding Officers. On Sunday, the twelfth of October, Australian's Witness,
[16:24] Speaker 1: Victorian Senator Lydia Thorpe espoused political violence against our nation's Parliament.
[16:29] Speaker 1: We ask you to urgently investigate the credibility of the
[16:32] Speaker 1: senator's Senator Thorpe's threats and the imputations of her comments.
[16:37] Speaker 1: Just last week a man was arrested for threatening to
[16:39] Speaker 1: kill the Prime Minister. What many candidates were also threatened
[16:42] Speaker 1: throughout the twenty twenty five election. Remember what police had alleged,
[16:45] Speaker 1: of course about a young person in relation to Peter Dunton.
[16:48] Speaker 1: That's me adding to the statement if you have somehow forgotten,
[16:52] Speaker 1: this is what Lydia Thorpe said. Now, of course we
[16:55] Speaker 1: have to say that she's speaking in a metaphor, but
[16:58] Speaker 1: the metaphors not very subtle.
[17:02] Speaker 5: I did I have to burn down Parlan Health.
[17:06] Speaker 1: And it wasn't just us who noticed.
[17:09] Speaker 6: The independent senator attracting widespread condemnation for threatening to burn
[17:14] Speaker 6: down Parliament House.
[17:16] Speaker 1: But as always, Leia Thorpe has an excuse. No, it
[17:19] Speaker 1: is not a long term concussion or other injuries related
[17:25] Speaker 1: to her time in the netball field. She did not
[17:27] Speaker 1: produce the psychologist report like she has in the past,
[17:32] Speaker 1: But my rally remarks were clearly a figure of speech,
[17:34] Speaker 1: a metaphor for the pain in our communities and the
[17:36] Speaker 1: urgent need to end genocide in Palestine and in everywhere.
[17:40] Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for her thank you, President Trump, but
[17:44] Speaker 1: they are obviously not a literal threat. This mock outrage
[17:47] Speaker 1: is ridiculous. People are dying and starving in Gaza again.
[17:51] Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the thank you, President Trump. Politicians in
[17:56] Speaker 1: the media once again clutching their pearls and chasing a
[17:58] Speaker 1: scandal instead of focus on what really matters are Yeah,
[18:02] Speaker 1: we've all got it wrong, haven't we live you because,
[18:05] Speaker 1: of course you were just speaking metaphorically, and again I'll
[18:07] Speaker 1: give you the benefit of the doubt that you were
[18:08] Speaker 1: speaking metaphorically. But what you always seem to espouse is
[18:13] Speaker 1: a want to be both part of a system that
[18:16] Speaker 1: pays your wage, which is quite handsome, and when you
[18:20] Speaker 1: get reelected for six years as a senator, you're talking
[18:22] Speaker 1: close to one point two million dollars in salary than
[18:25] Speaker 1: maybe six hundred thousand dollars for a lower House MP.
[18:30] Speaker 1: You are happy to be part of a system that
[18:32] Speaker 1: you want to actively tear down. From inside, that's having
[18:37] Speaker 1: a bet both ways. That's not going to a protest
[18:40] Speaker 1: and speaking from the outside. That again is again trying
[18:43] Speaker 1: to have all of the power, all of the responsibility,
[18:46] Speaker 1: all of the money that comes with being part of
[18:48] Speaker 1: the Federal Parliament, while while simultaneously saying that you want
[18:51] Speaker 1: to metaphorically tear it down. And what about the way
[18:55] Speaker 1: the Labor Party has responded to this. Now, again, before
[18:58] Speaker 1: things started to take over in the Middle East, there
[19:02] Speaker 1: was much conversation that had to be had about Tony Burke.
[19:05] Speaker 1: Now we know that Tony Burke just just just they
[19:07] Speaker 1: need Lydia Thorpe's vote in the Upper House just in case,
[19:09] Speaker 1: for whatever reason the Greens don't maybe turn up. And
[19:12] Speaker 1: the film of Green and Jackie Lamby and the cross
[19:15] Speaker 1: Bench you sort you needed to give me a tickle
[19:17] Speaker 1: every now and then. So how hard was the kick? Well,
[19:20] Speaker 1: this is it from the Home Affairs minister. You judge
[19:22] Speaker 1: how serious he was.
[19:25] Speaker 7: Sometimes when a comment's like this is made, or a
[19:28] Speaker 7: comment that's offensive is made, the natural instinct is let's
[19:33] Speaker 7: all increase the pressure. All I'm saying is, I don't
[19:36] Speaker 7: think that's in the interest of social cohesion.
[19:39] Speaker 1: Okay, anything about the specific comment or the specific senator
[19:43] Speaker 1: take to it, give it another.
[19:44] Speaker 7: Guy, of course, or not they speak for themselves. I
[19:48] Speaker 7: just don't think there's any benefit and certainly not benefits
[19:51] Speaker 7: to social cohesion in me responding by getting angrier and
[19:55] Speaker 7: ramping it up.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, because that would be your response of it with
[19:58] Speaker 1: someone from one nation, wouldn't it be, Minister. You wouldn't
[20:02] Speaker 1: get angry, you wouldn't use their name, you wouldn't use
[20:04] Speaker 1: the comments, you wouldn't weaponize them from the Labor Party.
[20:07] Speaker 1: What a surprise when the comments come from either somebody
[20:11] Speaker 1: that they want to rely upon us and maybe a
[20:13] Speaker 1: vote in the Senate, or they come from the left
[20:15] Speaker 1: hoping that those people, if they don't give the vote
[20:18] Speaker 1: preference immediately too, will eventually say that the lesser of
[20:22] Speaker 1: two evils is the Labor Party hands off soft gloves. Again,
[20:27] Speaker 1: if it had been in one nation, Senator, imagine the reaction,
[20:31] Speaker 1: Imagine the carrying on and speaking of Paullin Hanson, her
[20:34] Speaker 1: statement too on this particular issue interesting to read Senator
[20:38] Speaker 1: Thorpe's insightful sorry yeah, insightful remarks are both a threat
[20:44] Speaker 1: to public order and community safety. I would argue that
[20:49] Speaker 1: they're an active treason and terrorism and should be thoroughly
[20:52] Speaker 1: investigated by the Federal Police. Or the federal Police are investigating.
[20:56] Speaker 1: I've got a little feeling that, of course they will say, well, look,
[20:58] Speaker 1: you know it's not only the most perfect you say,
[21:00] Speaker 1: but clearly it was a metaphor. But watch this space
[21:03] Speaker 1: kid gloves as always Volidia Thorpe brass knuckles if it's
[21:07] Speaker 1: for anyone politically that they don't like. Which brings me
[21:12] Speaker 1: to the beautiful city of Paramatta in Sydney's West. This
[21:17] Speaker 1: is a very Sydney media thing, but there has been
[21:20] Speaker 1: the sort of more lefty newspapers that have decided to
[21:23] Speaker 1: start defining western Sydney. At the moment they've just discovered
[21:27] Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty five, they're trying to decide where
[21:29] Speaker 1: the second major capital thitty is of Sydney. Well, it's paramatter.
[21:35] Speaker 1: It's always been paramatter, and was paramatter when you used
[21:37] Speaker 1: to be able to go and see movies at the
[21:38] Speaker 1: Roxy Theater, Okay, that's the reality. It has always ever
[21:43] Speaker 1: been Sydney's second major CBD. And in Paramatta there is
[21:50] Speaker 1: quite a significant Indian community, a diaspora that, in fact
[21:53] Speaker 1: is so significant the Paramatter Council has renamed parts of
[21:57] Speaker 1: the city to be Little India, Great Cool. And as
[22:02] Speaker 1: we know, Indian community really important, shares many of our values,
[22:06] Speaker 1: no question about it. But we also know that when
[22:11] Speaker 1: Cosa Marris put out some data about where that diaspora
[22:15] Speaker 1: was voting, it was commented upon, It was commented upon,
[22:19] Speaker 1: among others by just Into Price, and it wasn't hard
[22:22] Speaker 1: to conclude that when there is a very significant number
[22:25] Speaker 1: of people and there's a very significant number of labor seats,
[22:28] Speaker 1: well guess which way some are voting. Now, this is
[22:32] Speaker 1: a story that is very old and was beaten up,
[22:35] Speaker 1: beaten up within an inch of its life. Remember more
[22:38] Speaker 1: than a month ago. Oh this carried This was a
[22:41] Speaker 1: twenty four hour up and down that the Labor Party
[22:43] Speaker 1: because unlike Lydia Thorpe, right Lydia Thorpe, quick move on,
[22:48] Speaker 1: move on, look over here, look over here, But this
[22:50] Speaker 1: one they tried to just keep fanning and keep you
[22:53] Speaker 1: and you know what in the media loving it. They
[22:56] Speaker 1: kept going and going, and we got into an end
[22:58] Speaker 1: of a first week and into a second week. And
[23:00] Speaker 1: once we thought this thing was behind us, guess what.
[23:03] Speaker 1: Paramatta City Council debated last night a motion which was
[23:08] Speaker 1: not just to stand against the caricature version of the
[23:13] Speaker 1: comments that had been made based off the data of
[23:16] Speaker 1: our mate cause, but counselors, according to this motion, have
[23:20] Speaker 1: received numerous messages from the community expressing their disappointment that
[23:24] Speaker 1: political leaders would make irresponsible statements and undermined community harmony.
[23:29] Speaker 1: They were demanding an apology. Now, how this was going
[23:33] Speaker 1: to work when, don't forget you've got a Senate that
[23:36] Speaker 1: represents the Northern territory of which Paramatter is not part
[23:40] Speaker 1: of which the councilors do not have any role overseeing. Yeah,
[23:45] Speaker 1: they were demanding an apology. Well, they had their meeting
[23:50] Speaker 1: last night and the person who was behind re energizing
[23:55] Speaker 1: this story, hoping that it would never make it to
[23:59] Speaker 1: national news. Instead it would stay in the Paramatta news
[24:03] Speaker 1: groups or in the local paper was a Labor counselor
[24:10] Speaker 1: what a surprise, The Labor Party was trying to keep
[24:12] Speaker 1: this thing going. Well, a liberal counselor of Indian descent
[24:18] Speaker 1: was one of many who decided to absolutely give it
[24:20] Speaker 1: to this Labor Party bloke who clearly was just trying
[24:23] Speaker 1: to breathe fire into an old story. One of the
[24:26] Speaker 1: liberal counselors, again of Indian heritage, blasted the motion and
[24:29] Speaker 1: said the council has got much better things to deal
[24:33] Speaker 1: with instead of treating the topic like the world's come
[24:35] Speaker 1: to an end. It's been almost four weeks, well said,
[24:38] Speaker 1: I think we've got much more better issues to deal with.
[24:41] Speaker 1: It's a federal issue. I don't know why he wants
[24:43] Speaker 1: to bring it down here the way you brought it forward.
[24:46] Speaker 1: I feel like you're just trying to divide communities after
[24:49] Speaker 1: everything went under the carpet. Correct, So how did they vote?
[24:55] Speaker 1: Do we have to have a formal apology from Senator
[24:57] Speaker 1: Lydia Thorpe to the Indian aspora of the Paramatta City Council.
[25:02] Speaker 1: Thankfully nah, because it ended up getting changed rather than
[25:07] Speaker 1: just rejected. It got changed, Lydia Thorpe, Sorry, Lydia Thorpe,
[25:12] Speaker 1: my apologies to Center Prices name removed from it. Liberal
[25:17] Speaker 1: senator removed from it instead. This is what they ended
[25:20] Speaker 1: up voting in favor of the council agreed to acknowledge
[25:24] Speaker 1: the Indian community's contribution to the city and it's commitment
[25:27] Speaker 1: to multiculturalism. Easiest vote any of them have ever taken.
[25:32] Speaker 1: But the purpose and the point was to keep this
[25:36] Speaker 1: thing alive. We will talk about not quite that, but
[25:40] Speaker 1: some of the data and all the rest of it
[25:42] Speaker 1: again because in a couple of minutes time. Now there's
[25:45] Speaker 1: a little story for those of us who like to
[25:46] Speaker 1: go traveling that I want to talk about here, and
[25:49] Speaker 1: it is a change to Virgin Airlines. Seeing how much
[25:52] Speaker 1: I love flying around on the Big V. Love it right, Well,
[25:57] Speaker 1: Australians have slowly but surely started to take the piss
[26:01] Speaker 1: when it comes to the amount of luggage that we
[26:03] Speaker 1: are putting up and above us. Now, what is supposed
[26:06] Speaker 1: to be a small little bag or a day bag
[26:08] Speaker 1: is now turning into four different cricket kits that people
[26:11] Speaker 1: are shoving in. And because people get on before you
[26:14] Speaker 1: get on, they take up the space that you should
[26:16] Speaker 1: have above your head for your bags. Well, I mentioned
[26:20] Speaker 1: the Big V or Virgin Airlines announced today that there
[26:25] Speaker 1: is going to be some major changes to the carry
[26:26] Speaker 1: on policy. Basically effective immediately and it all makes perfect sense.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Virgin Australia has announced changes to its carry on luggage
[26:32] Speaker 1: policy that we'll see the weight allowance increased but the
[26:37] Speaker 1: number of items that are brought on board reduced. Okay,
[26:40] Speaker 1: here's the rule. If you get on a Virgin flight
[26:42] Speaker 1: anytime soon from February two economy passages are allowed to
[26:46] Speaker 1: carry a single item up to eight kilos. Repeat, single
[26:52] Speaker 1: item up to eight kilos. Yes, you are also allowed
[26:55] Speaker 1: a handbag or a laptop, but you're not. I had
[27:00] Speaker 1: to take two cases on. Okay, one bag eight kilos.
[27:05] Speaker 1: That's enough. God love Virgin and all the people who
[27:09] Speaker 1: bring change to it each and every day. All right,
[27:14] Speaker 1: let's go to what is ahead on the show, because
[27:16] Speaker 1: there was plenty to discuss this evening and what is
[27:18] Speaker 1: going to be a fun showerhead now. Jeff Kennett, he
[27:23] Speaker 1: has absolutely hit as straighta between the eyes. The former
[27:26] Speaker 1: leaders are coming out and about at the moment, you've
[27:28] Speaker 1: got Tony Aber doing the excellent book and the history
[27:31] Speaker 1: and the dock AD's got one more night to go.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Jeff Kennett, fush, He's hitting hard. Medical cannabis, the number
[27:36] Speaker 1: of people that are getting a prescription from a doctor
[27:39] Speaker 1: and being able to use the oil take a tablet
[27:42] Speaker 1: and yes even sometimes smoke. It is through the roof.
[27:44] Speaker 1: But there's a downside from the obvious. More on sec
[27:48] Speaker 1: here on pull Murray line. Thanks for watching this Tuesday night.
[27:56] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching wherever you're happen to be.
[27:58] Speaker 1: If you want to send me an email, ports go
[27:59] Speaker 1: used dot au. I'm doubly checking my screen because yep,
[28:02] Speaker 1: is there. James Ashby joins us. Now he's here along
[28:05] Speaker 1: with the he's look at the look at the creature
[28:07] Speaker 1: comforts or Jesus the caravan park just getting sexier by
[28:11] Speaker 1: the day. I love it, lovely to see you. But
[28:13] Speaker 1: of course he's I'm indoors.
[28:14] Speaker 8: I didn't know he was loud.
[28:16] Speaker 1: Indoors exactly, Wait till he starts a fire by us
[28:18] Speaker 1: in the Scotty his Brisbane studio. And Darren Barnett of course,
[28:21] Speaker 1: brother from another mother of the left of center Herbert
[28:24] Speaker 1: not irredeemable on many matters anyway, So just quickly, James
[28:30] Speaker 1: look very obviously speaking metaphorically right, but fascinating right. Let's
[28:35] Speaker 1: imagine if one of the New One Nation senators attended
[28:39] Speaker 1: some rally somewhere else where. They said they were going
[28:41] Speaker 1: to burn the Parliament to the ground. You reckon, Tony
[28:44] Speaker 1: Burker'd be on the let's turn the temperature down if
[28:46] Speaker 1: they can. Instead of course, it'd be anything they could
[28:50] Speaker 1: they to deny these people access to the copier machine
[28:54] Speaker 1: in Canberra. They would do it. But watch how Lydia
[28:56] Speaker 1: Thorpe will basically, you know, skip through it all.
[29:02] Speaker 2: Like when you go to one of those restaurants and
[29:04] Speaker 2: the family besides you has got one of those brats
[29:06] Speaker 2: that's jumping all over the chairs and you know, screaming
[29:09] Speaker 2: and yelling and crying and wine shut up in a
[29:11] Speaker 2: peaceful restaurant and the parents are sitting there going.
[29:15] Speaker 9: It's okay, good girl, don't worry. Ice cream soon.
[29:19] Speaker 1: You know.
[29:20] Speaker 2: Labor just keep rewarding this woman. They never hold her
[29:23] Speaker 2: accountable there, and don't blame the parents in this case
[29:26] Speaker 2: with Letdia thought roy Ellingsworth he's a great viewer of yours.
[29:29] Speaker 9: I know he watches this show.
[29:31] Speaker 1: Well, he's up there in Forest Beach.
[29:32] Speaker 9: In Queensland, and he's not the blame for this.
[29:36] Speaker 2: I know he finds troubling his own daughter's actions at
[29:38] Speaker 2: times as well. So He's not the blame. But you
[29:41] Speaker 2: know the problem is all sides, whether it be the Greens.
[29:45] Speaker 2: You know that's their bastard child, if you want to
[29:47] Speaker 2: put it quite bluntly. They created this thing. They gave
[29:50] Speaker 2: her a seat in parliament, she left them. Labor Party
[29:53] Speaker 2: don't want to haul her in the line.
[29:56] Speaker 9: Where was the coalition's leader on this now?
[29:59] Speaker 2: It took one nation to actually right to the AFP
[30:01] Speaker 2: and say, will you please do something about this woman.
[30:04] Speaker 9: You've got the powers.
[30:05] Speaker 2: If the Parliament won't censure her or hold her accountable,
[30:08] Speaker 2: you've got the power.
[30:09] Speaker 9: And I might just say, Paul.
[30:10] Speaker 2: There's a independent Parliamentary Standards Committee. I've written to them
[30:15] Speaker 2: as well, because what that woman said on the stage
[30:19] Speaker 2: of not just the media, but in front of all
[30:21] Speaker 2: the public and said that she was going to burn
[30:24] Speaker 2: our parliament down. There are four thousand workers that work
[30:26] Speaker 2: in that place. All of their jobs have been threatened,
[30:29] Speaker 2: their safety has been threatened. And as I stated in
[30:31] Speaker 2: my letter, the simple fact is parliamentarians have.
[30:36] Speaker 9: The weakest security.
[30:37] Speaker 2: When you go through parliament security as a member of parliament,
[30:40] Speaker 2: it is weak.
[30:41] Speaker 9: It is terrible.
[30:42] Speaker 2: They might as well waive a broomstick over you and go, okay,
[30:46] Speaker 2: off you go. Who knows what that woman's capable of?
[30:49] Speaker 2: And my view is she should be escorted from this
[30:51] Speaker 2: point forward until the investigation's done throughout that parliament because
[30:56] Speaker 2: honestly I don't trust her well.
[30:57] Speaker 1: But also part of all of this as well, one
[31:00] Speaker 1: of the reasons why when people start to get two
[31:04] Speaker 1: wound up, you've got to tap the brakes right because
[31:08] Speaker 1: you know, yes, clear metaphors, all the rest of it.
[31:10] Speaker 1: I get all this darrn, but who knows who hears it,
[31:13] Speaker 1: who knows how they hear it, who knows who how
[31:17] Speaker 1: they process it.
[31:17] Speaker 8: That's not the first time she's used those words. She
[31:20] Speaker 8: used them about a fire at old Parliament House.
[31:24] Speaker 1: There's a twenty one two.
[31:26] Speaker 8: She should have learned that you can't use that in
[31:30] Speaker 8: this literally inflammatory language. You've got to behave like a
[31:35] Speaker 8: parliamentarian should.
[31:36] Speaker 1: Well, why past work next time she walks in for
[31:39] Speaker 1: the next sitting week.
[31:40] Speaker 8: I mean, the AFP are investigating, and if they I
[31:44] Speaker 8: don't know what they'll do, whether they will do a
[31:46] Speaker 8: censure or whether they'll I've read something today that I
[31:49] Speaker 8: think marine Ferouki for doing something with Palestinian flags is
[31:53] Speaker 8: not allowed to go on delegations and travel and all
[31:55] Speaker 8: the rest of it. It's got to be harder than that.
[31:57] Speaker 8: It's got to be something that teaches a lesson. The
[32:00] Speaker 8: only upside is there's no ways should be re elected
[32:02] Speaker 8: in three years and we're halfway through a six year Look.
[32:05] Speaker 1: I certainly hope, I hope not, but all.
[32:07] Speaker 8: Right, I hope they do more. James, I'm with you
[32:09] Speaker 8: on that, all right.
[32:10] Speaker 1: Just quickly here.
[32:11] Speaker 9: Yeah, it's like a wet letter slap you know.
[32:14] Speaker 1: No fair enough. Now, let's talk here about the Victorian
[32:18] Speaker 1: Libs because they are clearly in a world of trouble, right,
[32:21] Speaker 1: despite the fact that crime is what it is in Victoria.
[32:24] Speaker 1: You've got a great story about that, Darren, despite the complaints,
[32:28] Speaker 1: despite the nonsense where literally every day something terrible happens.
[32:33] Speaker 1: Horrible things happen in the CBD. Today Premier comes out
[32:35] Speaker 1: and says Melbourne safe. Terrible things happened. Last week, Premier
[32:39] Speaker 1: comes out, Melbourne's safe. Come on still if there was
[32:43] Speaker 1: an election held, it looks like the Liberal Party can't
[32:46] Speaker 1: find a way to actually get to government. Now. Today
[32:49] Speaker 1: they also made a decision which was that they're going
[32:51] Speaker 1: to reject the Treaty bills which are being voted on
[32:55] Speaker 1: in the Parliament right now. And while there might be
[32:58] Speaker 1: a very slight lead, but again the big gray in
[33:00] Speaker 1: the middle is probably going to end up falling, as
[33:03] Speaker 1: it often does against the Liberal Party. The primary vote
[33:07] Speaker 1: in Victoria is frightening. Labour's at thirty Liberal thirty three.
[33:12] Speaker 1: Oh that's great, they're leading. Okay, so let's take Green's
[33:16] Speaker 1: twelve and add it to the thirty, so that gets
[33:18] Speaker 1: them to forty two. We know that independent generally speaking,
[33:22] Speaker 1: teel all the rest of it. Most of that, let's
[33:24] Speaker 1: even say eight and ten fell the way of the government,
[33:27] Speaker 1: that gets them to fifty.
[33:29] Speaker 8: It's one third.
[33:30] Speaker 1: They're there, right, They're there already based off this stuff.
[33:33] Speaker 8: I Gays need to lift their primary by at least
[33:36] Speaker 8: six points on where it is now to win the election.
[33:39] Speaker 8: At the moment they will not win.
[33:41] Speaker 1: So how the hell does this happen? I mean, you've
[33:43] Speaker 1: seen I don't today this stuff and I get it,
[33:47] Speaker 1: you know, don't talk about our state, right, Sorry, Australians
[33:52] Speaker 1: love Victoria and Australians know Victoria should be better.
[33:57] Speaker 8: I was there for the weekend because and end of
[34:00] Speaker 8: a friend and that's the story that I was going
[34:02] Speaker 8: to highlight tonight. It's in the age someone who apprehended
[34:06] Speaker 8: a fifteen year old kid inside their own home, chased
[34:10] Speaker 8: them down the street, caught them, and then made the
[34:13] Speaker 8: kid he'd ring the cops on his own mobile phone.
[34:16] Speaker 8: Now that's bad enough, but the kid has then said,
[34:21] Speaker 8: I'm basically going to go around find him and stab him.
[34:26] Speaker 8: Where's the blowback for that? How can that kid be
[34:28] Speaker 8: allowed out of detention and let a member of the
[34:32] Speaker 8: public who all they did was protect their own property
[34:35] Speaker 8: and family correct? Have that person in any semblance of
[34:39] Speaker 8: danger for fifteen year old kid who's clearly off the rails.
[34:43] Speaker 8: I find that I can't get my head around that.
[34:46] Speaker 1: But again, here is the premiere of Victoria on her
[34:49] Speaker 1: way to being re elected, talking like Obi wan Kenobi
[34:53] Speaker 1: to stormtroopers. Nothing to see you have a look.
[34:57] Speaker 6: The CBD of Melbourne is safe. Victorian community has that
[35:01] Speaker 6: protection from Victoria Police. As we saw this morning, Victoria
[35:06] Speaker 6: Police moved swiftly dealt with this situation quickly. Again, I
[35:11] Speaker 6: wish to reiterate that the Melbourne CBD is safe. I
[35:14] Speaker 6: do understand though, too, that when incidences do occur that
[35:20] Speaker 6: it would be incredibly distressing.
[35:23] Speaker 1: James. Honestly, Look, one nation's done pretty well in the past,
[35:26] Speaker 1: got pretty close to Senate, has been able to crack
[35:30] Speaker 1: the upper House, but fared income. What is going on.
[35:35] Speaker 2: How she can keep a straight face while saying that
[35:37] Speaker 2: is beyond me. Look, I've been involved in a home invasion.
[35:40] Speaker 2: I've had it pulled on the many many years ago
[35:42] Speaker 2: when I was living in Townsville. All the fear that
[35:45] Speaker 2: you live with naturally without the threat of someone coming
[35:47] Speaker 2: back to stab you, slash you, kill you while they're
[35:51] Speaker 2: being apprehended by police. You know they've got the nerve
[35:53] Speaker 2: or the gore to say this as kids under adines,
[35:56] Speaker 2: to say this in front of coppers. There's kind of
[35:59] Speaker 2: be laid out and you know we will be. And
[36:02] Speaker 2: the issue is that households you live in fear. I
[36:05] Speaker 2: know myself, Paul, I was afraid of the dark for
[36:07] Speaker 2: a good six months after out of that very fact
[36:09] Speaker 2: you might run into that person again. They know where
[36:12] Speaker 2: you live, you don't know where they live.
[36:14] Speaker 5: And look, the.
[36:16] Speaker 9: Liberal Party are clutching its straws at the moment.
[36:19] Speaker 1: Down there.
[36:19] Speaker 2: They still talk that they might even change the leader
[36:21] Speaker 2: between now and the election.
[36:23] Speaker 9: God help them if they do that.
[36:24] Speaker 2: It just shows that they don't have a pool of
[36:27] Speaker 2: strong leadership, whether it be the Liberals in Victoria, New
[36:30] Speaker 2: South Wales, WA or federally, they're really letting themselves down.
[36:35] Speaker 2: And the longer this goes on, the more Conservatives will
[36:38] Speaker 2: move away from the Liberal Party right across this country.
[36:40] Speaker 2: And that's why we're doing so well even in a
[36:42] Speaker 2: state like Victoria. We've got people screaming at us at
[36:45] Speaker 2: head offers. The majority of our phone calls now, our
[36:48] Speaker 2: memberships increase by seventy percent since the federal election, and
[36:52] Speaker 2: the majority of phone calls now coming to One Nation
[36:55] Speaker 2: headquarters in Brisbane are pleading for us to make sure
[36:58] Speaker 2: we run candidates in every single seat in Victoria because
[37:02] Speaker 2: there are so many people that just do not have
[37:04] Speaker 2: the confidence in the Liberal Party to take this fight
[37:06] Speaker 2: up to a dismal, disgusting, useless labor party in that state.
[37:11] Speaker 1: Hallelujah. Can I tell you by the way, Victoria yet again,
[37:15] Speaker 1: And you know how much we love the joint Right,
[37:18] Speaker 1: But everything that James Bean's saying Darren as well, right
[37:20] Speaker 1: is the concern here. And you look at these opinion
[37:22] Speaker 1: polls and you go, look, goodness, how is the opposition
[37:25] Speaker 1: not laying a glove reality the internal wars, that the
[37:29] Speaker 1: lack of all of that stuff. Right. But the other
[37:32] Speaker 1: is the triangle of dependence. You know how I bang
[37:34] Speaker 1: on all the time that basically you end up with
[37:37] Speaker 1: one party being there forever because you either get money
[37:40] Speaker 1: from the government, your work for the government, or the
[37:42] Speaker 1: government's your biggest client. Welcome to a story from The
[37:46] Speaker 1: Herald's son. Nine out of every ten jobs being crowded
[37:50] Speaker 1: in Victoria in the public sect there or government funded industries.
[37:54] Speaker 1: That is why they keep winning.
[37:57] Speaker 8: Really extraordinary statistic.
[38:00] Speaker 1: It is in black and white, the triangle of dependence. Now,
[38:05] Speaker 1: I also want to talk here about medical marijuana. Now,
[38:09] Speaker 1: one nation, surprising to some no one who's actually been
[38:13] Speaker 1: paying attention, was a massive force for change in getting
[38:18] Speaker 1: the medical use of cannabis for a whole range of reasons.
[38:23] Speaker 1: And it has been widely available for a few years
[38:26] Speaker 1: in Australia. Now, I didn't realize until literally when I
[38:30] Speaker 1: was in Brisbane Fortitude Valley and I saw this sort
[38:33] Speaker 1: of medical center, right, and it's like a medical center
[38:36] Speaker 1: that's just got marijuana leaves sort of in the logo,
[38:39] Speaker 1: and it's very obviously similar to a places like California
[38:44] Speaker 1: in the olden days where you walk in I've got
[38:46] Speaker 1: guess what the solution is. Bang, We're not talking about
[38:49] Speaker 1: chronic pain, cancer, all the rest of it. I'm not
[38:51] Speaker 1: saying that about that business. I'm just saying the model
[38:54] Speaker 1: has changed where there are an awful lot of people
[38:56] Speaker 1: that are being prescribed medical cannabis now. James as a
[39:01] Speaker 1: person who understands all of the history and understands why
[39:04] Speaker 1: we got where we got, are we going a little
[39:08] Speaker 1: too far or some people are just taking the piss
[39:11] Speaker 1: in loopholes that can be tightened up.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Well, we went from a stage where no one could
[39:19] Speaker 2: access it and we're really backed in the use of
[39:22] Speaker 2: medicinal cannabis for obvious reasons, and that is because a
[39:25] Speaker 2: lot of people don't want to be doped out of
[39:27] Speaker 2: their heads on pharmaceutical brands. They've got cancers or you know,
[39:31] Speaker 2: they're at the end of their life and they just
[39:33] Speaker 2: want to be painfree without being drugged out or doped
[39:36] Speaker 2: out on pharmaceuticceutical brands. But there is a tendency for
[39:41] Speaker 2: people not to quite understand that the medicinal cannabis is
[39:45] Speaker 2: a particular strength, and therefore it is better than anything
[39:49] Speaker 2: you'll buy from any dealer on a corner for obvious reasons.
[39:52] Speaker 2: But when you've got doctors out there willing nearly prescribing
[39:57] Speaker 2: to people who just want to go and have a
[39:58] Speaker 2: joint on a Saturday night to do it legally, that's
[40:01] Speaker 2: where it falls over, and that's not what it was
[40:05] Speaker 2: designed to do. You know, you've got the stone a
[40:07] Speaker 2: party down there in Victoria that want it approved and
[40:12] Speaker 2: made available freely right across the country. Our emergency departments
[40:16] Speaker 2: will be inundated with this psychosis problem if that was
[40:19] Speaker 2: to occur. But yeah, we've got to put the brakes on.
[40:22] Speaker 2: Some of these doctors need looking at. We need to
[40:24] Speaker 2: find out where these scripts are coming from from those
[40:27] Speaker 2: people who are abusing the system, and we need to
[40:29] Speaker 2: pull those doctors over the carrs and say hey, you
[40:31] Speaker 2: can't prescribe anymore.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Yeah again, you know, it's not about a good time.
[40:35] Speaker 1: It's about being able in many ways to deal with
[40:37] Speaker 1: illnesses that are happening super fast. We made before we
[40:40] Speaker 1: get to cause.
[40:40] Speaker 8: Yeah, Darren, I just the AMA, don't. Yeah, they're not
[40:43] Speaker 8: a ridiculous kind of group. And if they say there's
[40:47] Speaker 8: a problem, I'll take that complaint seriously. I think telehealth
[40:51] Speaker 8: and allowing people not screening them for psychosis and other issues,
[40:55] Speaker 8: it does look like it's a little bit out of control.
[40:57] Speaker 1: All right, we will all wait and see no one
[40:59] Speaker 1: get Anaica involved or all the CEOs that be called
[41:01] Speaker 1: to camera, because that apparently fixes everything, doesn't it, because
[41:05] Speaker 1: HK is doing so well after her stint there. Thank
[41:07] Speaker 1: you James, Thank you Darren. All right, quick break back
[41:09] Speaker 1: with them more. Costa Marris. He's the one who did
[41:11] Speaker 1: the pole that basically shows, you know, thirty seven percent
[41:15] Speaker 1: say the LIMP should get rid of a zero, thirty
[41:17] Speaker 1: seven percent say they shouldn't. The rest are all don't know.
[41:20] Speaker 1: I don't know, people like people who ended up voting
[41:24] Speaker 1: no in the referendum, or is don't know, like the
[41:26] Speaker 1: people who voted eventually for the Labor Party in twenty
[41:29] Speaker 1: twenty five. If Cos knows, he'll tell us next. Thank
[41:37] Speaker 1: you so much for watching, wherever you happen to be
[41:39] Speaker 1: Emails paul us Gonews dot com dot au. Costa Marris is,
[41:42] Speaker 1: of course the boss of the Red Bridge group. They
[41:44] Speaker 1: are now doing poling for the Australian Financial Review COS
[41:47] Speaker 1: joins us. Now, mate, what a cat amongst the pigeons?
[41:50] Speaker 1: Or right? The text the second this pole dropped, right,
[41:54] Speaker 1: all the people who say get rid of in zero go,
[41:56] Speaker 1: We're back in the fight. We're back in the fight.
[41:58] Speaker 1: All the people who say, oh no, we can't go there.
[42:01] Speaker 1: If we get ridden a zero, it's death. Everyone used
[42:05] Speaker 1: this piece of analysis, all right, so we're going to
[42:08] Speaker 1: go through it slowly. Headline numbers right, Basically, thirty seven
[42:12] Speaker 1: percent of all voters say that they want the coalition
[42:15] Speaker 1: to abandon it zero by twenty fifty. But remember Labor, Greens,
[42:20] Speaker 1: Teal voters. So I don't know. Are they saying that
[42:22] Speaker 1: because they agree? Are they saying it because they're trying
[42:25] Speaker 1: to sabotage? Well again it's why causes here, pretty similar
[42:28] Speaker 1: number in the opposite direction. And then we have about
[42:30] Speaker 1: twenty six percent of all voters sitting in don't know. So, cops,
[42:36] Speaker 1: anything you want to tell me about this pole before
[42:38] Speaker 1: I ask it?
[42:40] Speaker 5: Yeah? The don't know is I actually don't know much
[42:43] Speaker 5: about the policy area. I just want you to keep
[42:46] Speaker 5: the lights on. Yeah, can you please make sure that
[42:49] Speaker 5: happens and make sure I don't pay for the notes,
[42:52] Speaker 5: and that's mainly the group that answers the question, don't know.
[42:57] Speaker 5: That's good, And the other two groups are polarized. If
[43:02] Speaker 5: you look at the those for and against. When we
[43:05] Speaker 5: look at who is for it, it's overwhelming people on
[43:09] Speaker 5: the coalition side, Nation voters, little bit of labor voters
[43:13] Speaker 5: but not much. But yes, it's it's a very polarized sample.
[43:20] Speaker 5: And then there's there's the group in the middle, middle
[43:22] Speaker 5: Australia so to speak, have no idea.
[43:26] Speaker 1: Okay, so everyone is watching me right now, and again
[43:28] Speaker 1: all those politicians that send me messages, God love you,
[43:30] Speaker 1: but please do not read anything other than just sit back.
[43:34] Speaker 1: Couse and I having a chatter. Right, He's not sending
[43:37] Speaker 1: you a secret message. He's not telepathically sending something in
[43:41] Speaker 1: the left or the right. It's just a conversation. And
[43:43] Speaker 1: anyone lucky enough to be watching it like you right now, relax, right,
[43:47] Speaker 1: I've got a feeling CAUs his phone may have exploded
[43:49] Speaker 1: in the past couple of days. So so interesting about that,
[43:53] Speaker 1: don't know, right, Because once you start to break it
[43:55] Speaker 1: down by generations, and theoretically the young you are, the
[44:00] Speaker 1: more left you are I don't know whether don't know
[44:02] Speaker 1: changes there, but still right, clear big number of people
[44:06] Speaker 1: in Gen Z say, don't make a change, keep it
[44:08] Speaker 1: with net zero.
[44:09] Speaker 5: That's right.
[44:09] Speaker 1: It starts to level up, but it is still dominant
[44:13] Speaker 1: to keep net zero. In millennials, everyone needs to understand
[44:17] Speaker 1: that basically more than half of the electorate now is
[44:19] Speaker 1: millennial and gen Z. Okay, think of millennial as roughly
[44:23] Speaker 1: the fifty Gen X. Of course it has a little
[44:27] Speaker 1: bit of people under fifty like myself, but still right,
[44:30] Speaker 1: and then it's Gen X and baby boomers who start
[44:32] Speaker 1: to move the other way. So again, when people are
[44:35] Speaker 1: reading these numbers, how important is the fact that I
[44:37] Speaker 1: just said because there are more people that are millennials
[44:40] Speaker 1: and Gen Z than there are Gen X and baby
[44:43] Speaker 1: boomer And therefore the bias the younger you get matters.
[44:48] Speaker 5: That's right, and next election those numbers will be the
[44:51] Speaker 5: more skewed in that direction. We're going to remember that
[44:54] Speaker 5: although not everyone of this group I'm about to mention
[44:57] Speaker 5: votes yet, the majority of Australians were born after nine
[45:01] Speaker 5: eighty six, So those of us who weren't makes you
[45:04] Speaker 5: feel a bit old, right, right, So that's that's the
[45:09] Speaker 5: majority of Australians now and they're all coming on the roll.
[45:11] Speaker 5: That wave off the waves is jump on the roll.
[45:15] Speaker 5: They have a fixed view on climate change and I think,
[45:18] Speaker 5: as you and I discussed in a previous interview, it's
[45:24] Speaker 5: the entry ticket to them listening to you if you're
[45:27] Speaker 5: in the conservative side of politics, right, and so if
[45:30] Speaker 5: you want their vote, you're going to have to address
[45:31] Speaker 5: a couple of things. First of all, housing is number
[45:34] Speaker 5: one issue for them, absolutely, especially if they're living in Sydney,
[45:39] Speaker 5: but also in Melbourne. And then of course climate change
[45:42] Speaker 5: it's almost a default position. The minute you start playing
[45:45] Speaker 5: around with that area, they tend to get a little
[45:47] Speaker 5: bit skeptical about why you're doing it.
[45:50] Speaker 1: By the way, nine to eighty seven, right, people paying
[45:54] Speaker 1: attention in around these years just did a quick little,
[45:56] Speaker 1: you know, a SERIEBT thing, just so no, I'm not
[46:01] Speaker 1: talking to you now, shut up and okay, I've lost
[46:03] Speaker 1: it anyway. Nine eighty seven was when the first mobile
[46:06] Speaker 1: phone call was made in Australia. It was when the
[46:08] Speaker 1: Western Coast Eagles joined the AFL competition back then as
[46:11] Speaker 1: the VFL competition. Okay, so for those who are trying
[46:14] Speaker 1: to work out where was I in nine point eighty
[46:16] Speaker 1: seven the first mobile phone in Australia and the Weagles? Okay,
[46:21] Speaker 1: if you remember it happening. That's the list that you're
[46:23] Speaker 1: being put into here now. So again we've talked about
[46:27] Speaker 1: it about that threshold issue, right, But is there anything
[46:32] Speaker 1: that surprised you? Is there any sort of counterweight here
[46:35] Speaker 1: where maybe a focus group behind it, There was a
[46:39] Speaker 1: certain section that's surprised because again the picture that's being
[46:43] Speaker 1: painted here is the intensity pro significant climate change action
[46:47] Speaker 1: gets harder the closer you get to the younger voter,
[46:52] Speaker 1: and there are more of them than others. But that
[46:55] Speaker 1: don't know, category is pretty significant with millennials.
[47:02] Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think let's not I mean that we're
[47:05] Speaker 5: spoken about the poles, but let's talk about what we
[47:08] Speaker 5: see in groups, focus groups, what we hear from Australia
[47:13] Speaker 5: on this issue. So they will tell you, you know, we've
[47:18] Speaker 5: speaked about nuclear for example. They will respond and say, yeah, look,
[47:21] Speaker 5: don't put all your egs in one basket. I just
[47:24] Speaker 5: want you to make sure that the lights stay on
[47:26] Speaker 5: it and am not paying for the nose And yes,
[47:29] Speaker 5: I want you to ensure that the country is taking
[47:31] Speaker 5: some reasonable steps towards climate change and dealing with it
[47:35] Speaker 5: as a problem. They're quite They're not as militant as
[47:39] Speaker 5: the political class are on this issue. They do want
[47:41] Speaker 5: action taken, but I'm not sure which policy they want
[47:45] Speaker 5: to support. They do have a strong view that the
[47:48] Speaker 5: current process is taken too long and that it's too
[47:51] Speaker 5: expensive and it's going to cost them money. With regards
[47:55] Speaker 5: to their electricity bills, that is absolutely the case.
[47:58] Speaker 1: The numbers are through the roof entire country.
[48:01] Speaker 5: Doesn't mean though that yep, myletricity bills.
[48:04] Speaker 1: Are going to be up.
[48:06] Speaker 5: But then but then flip side. We asked some world
[48:08] Speaker 5: you want the country to stop taking actional climate change.
[48:11] Speaker 5: Their response is, of course not.
[48:12] Speaker 1: That's that's yeah, that's the ring of ding ding here, right,
[48:16] Speaker 1: that's the red light. That's the bit that I again
[48:17] Speaker 1: I say back to people, which is, do not confuse
[48:20] Speaker 1: that gray with it's all rubbish. It's all you know,
[48:23] Speaker 1: the climate's always been No. The threshold is again quite
[48:26] Speaker 1: the other way because I'm out of time, But you know,
[48:28] Speaker 1: we will reconvene sooner rather than later, perhaps to talk
[48:31] Speaker 1: about the one nation phenomenon and how sticky it may
[48:33] Speaker 1: well be keep reading your stuff there, looking forward to
[48:36] Speaker 1: the data as well. Thank you mate. Quick break back
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[49:02] Speaker 1: ye is Bathist was one for the ages. It was
[49:05] Speaker 1: won by the Penroight Racing team, but the other member
[49:08] Speaker 1: of the Penroight Racing team who didn't win, did almost
[49:12] Speaker 1: clean up a kangaroo. Everyone is lucky. Everyone is lucky
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