# Paul Murray Live | 15 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 15 Feb 2026, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/74184604-6ad9-402f-8bfc-b3f200c0400d/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

One Nation hunts down the Coalition, but voters give Taylor some ground. Plus, Angus Taylor details ambitions for Liberals. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live,
[0:07] Speaker 1: ge Day, good evening, Happy Sunday or hope you had
[0:09] Speaker 1: a wonderful weekend. I certainly did, and I'm pretty sure
[0:13] Speaker 1: that Angus Taylor did. Why because he is, of course
[0:15] Speaker 1: now the Liberal Party leader. No if Snow butts in
[0:18] Speaker 1: the margin was quite decisive. I'll tell you how the
[0:22] Speaker 1: first polls have reacted to the change in Liberal leadership.
[0:25] Speaker 1: We'll also talk about Susan Lee's decision to leave the Parliament,
[0:28] Speaker 1: meaning that there is an immediate by election. Now this
[0:31] Speaker 1: could go status quo, it could go one nation, or
[0:34] Speaker 1: don't be afraid of a local independent or even at
[0:37] Speaker 1: Tiffany Teel. There's lots of options that could will end
[0:39] Speaker 1: up taking place. No Sook snow Lefties. Tonight highlighted by
[0:42] Speaker 1: the wonderful just into namper Jipper Price. She will join
[0:45] Speaker 1: us in a moment or two time. Not this Sunday,
[0:47] Speaker 1: because that's tonight, but next Sunday we're going to be
[0:49] Speaker 1: in Tazzy if you'd like to join us for our town. Now,
[0:54] Speaker 1: last time we were in Tazzy it was the middle
[0:55] Speaker 1: of winter. It's going to be particularly lovely to be there.
[0:57] Speaker 1: At the backbits of Summer next sunder. If you can
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[1:10] Speaker 1: dot you this time next week in beautiful Bernie in Tasmania.
[1:16] Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Angus Taylor is now the leader of
[1:18] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, thus the coalition, thus the opposition. His
[1:22] Speaker 1: first task upon taking the job, and if you were
[1:25] Speaker 1: watching our live coverage on Friday, I thank you, was
[1:28] Speaker 1: in anticipation about what he was going to say that
[1:31] Speaker 1: would be any different than what was being said the
[1:33] Speaker 1: week before, the month before, or even, let's be honest,
[1:36] Speaker 1: a couple of years before, because all of that had
[1:38] Speaker 1: been rejected and rejected multiple times by the Australian people.
[1:43] Speaker 1: The challenge is multi fronted, and any multi front war
[1:46] Speaker 1: is always a difficult one to fight, because, of course,
[1:48] Speaker 1: you have the government in its strongest electoral position that
[1:52] Speaker 1: it has been in a generation, and certainly the highest
[1:55] Speaker 1: at the moment, you know, the flank of one nation,
[1:57] Speaker 1: and then again you throw in the Tiffany Teals and
[1:59] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other things. It is an unenviable
[2:02] Speaker 1: position to be in. But signs of life perhaps. And
[2:06] Speaker 1: opinion pole has just been released by the nine newspapers,
[2:09] Speaker 1: The Age, the Sidney Morning Herald and the Brisbane Times,
[2:12] Speaker 1: and it shows a ever so slight tick up for
[2:17] Speaker 1: the Liberal and National Party. One nation still remaining above.
[2:21] Speaker 1: Sorry is actually now going from above to now dead
[2:24] Speaker 1: heating then. Now where as you can see, Labor basically
[2:28] Speaker 1: where it was the last election. I think they might
[2:29] Speaker 1: be one point under, but still the Liberal National Party
[2:32] Speaker 1: way under. Remember the Greens have basically floated around that eleven.
[2:37] Speaker 1: So the variable is always one nation, and they are
[2:40] Speaker 1: a little down from the last pole, which was two
[2:43] Speaker 1: weeks ago. The Libs are a little up in the
[2:46] Speaker 1: last pole. Now let's have a look how this is
[2:49] Speaker 1: in terms of under the last poll under Susan Lee
[2:52] Speaker 1: versus the first pole under Angus Taylor. Now one nation,
[2:56] Speaker 1: as you can see there was going from twenty five
[3:00] Speaker 1: to twenty five. But you are seeing here a little
[3:03] Speaker 1: uptick for the coalition there with three points. Where does
[3:07] Speaker 1: it come from? Well, as you can see, it is
[3:09] Speaker 1: one off the Independence. It is theoretically one off the Greens.
[3:13] Speaker 1: And one off labor. So all of that is rounding
[3:15] Speaker 1: areas eras. This pole of course had to be completed
[3:19] Speaker 1: by today, so did cover a little before, but essentially
[3:23] Speaker 1: the change over time of Friday and Saturday. Now, to
[3:28] Speaker 1: give you an idea of just how strong one nation's
[3:31] Speaker 1: position is, and it is not a regional Queensland phenomenon
[3:35] Speaker 1: that is somehow flipping the books, Let's have a look
[3:38] Speaker 1: state by state. Now, remember you need about fourteen percent
[3:41] Speaker 1: to be able to get a Senate seat. That would
[3:43] Speaker 1: clearly mean another senator would be going in from New
[3:46] Speaker 1: South Wales as they currently sit at twenty four percent,
[3:49] Speaker 1: the Liberals down to twenty one, Labor at thirty two
[3:54] Speaker 1: in Queensland. Now, interestingly there is support for one nation
[3:58] Speaker 1: in use of virus is one point higher than it
[3:59] Speaker 1: is in Queensland. But in Queensland the LNP is in
[4:03] Speaker 1: front of one nation. The margin though to Labor is
[4:07] Speaker 1: a little bit tighter, so it's not quite a third
[4:09] Speaker 1: to third or third, but you can see it's a
[4:12] Speaker 1: full quarter under a quarter and a little bit over
[4:14] Speaker 1: a quarter. That's in Queensland. Remember, fourteen percent is the
[4:18] Speaker 1: mark to be guaranteed a spot in the Senate at
[4:21] Speaker 1: twenty three percent, obviously get one person up and at
[4:23] Speaker 1: the next election that will be paul In Hanson. But
[4:26] Speaker 1: then it's a question about preferences about whether the remaining
[4:29] Speaker 1: nine percent goes over to the LNP or the remaining
[4:32] Speaker 1: nine percent from them goes over to one nation. Interestingly
[4:36] Speaker 1: two in Victoria. I apologize, that's where we are now
[4:41] Speaker 1: in Victoria. It's a high number for one nation and
[4:44] Speaker 1: the LNP, and it is actually the highest supporting state
[4:50] Speaker 1: in the country for one nation is Victoria right now,
[4:53] Speaker 1: where the margin between the government and one Nation is
[4:56] Speaker 1: just four points. It is larger than that in New
[5:00] Speaker 1: South Wales, larger than that nationally, so fascinating to watch.
[5:05] Speaker 1: As for the rest of Australia, and this is not
[5:07] Speaker 1: an offense to anyone living outside of the three states
[5:10] Speaker 1: that I mentioned thus far. Statistically it's a little bit
[5:14] Speaker 1: of a sample from South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania. Yes,
[5:17] Speaker 1: this mattering is in from the territories, but the outside
[5:21] Speaker 1: and rest of Australian number. Now, part of the structural
[5:23] Speaker 1: problem for the Liberal Party was that the rest of
[5:25] Speaker 1: the Australian number used to be really good. The Western
[5:28] Speaker 1: Australian proportion particularly was helped to make that a lot
[5:32] Speaker 1: closer than what is that twelve points. Now that is
[5:36] Speaker 1: very significant when you have a look at the differences
[5:39] Speaker 1: between the eleven points I should say, between the Liberal
[5:42] Speaker 1: and National Party and the ALP. But again one nation
[5:46] Speaker 1: and the rest of the country would be over fourteen percent,
[5:50] Speaker 1: and of course that would produce senators from Western Australia
[5:53] Speaker 1: where they've already produced one of the last elections, South
[5:56] Speaker 1: Australia where of course Cory Benard's the leader right now,
[5:58] Speaker 1: and figures crossed in Mania. Lee Hanson will be joining
[6:01] Speaker 1: us from later tonight. Now as part of the future
[6:07] Speaker 1: debate about whether Labor can continue to not have a
[6:10] Speaker 1: majority of votes, but to have a majority of preferences
[6:13] Speaker 1: go back their way, which provides them with a super
[6:15] Speaker 1: majority in the Parliament. It's all about their ability to
[6:19] Speaker 1: have the best story or the one that people believe
[6:23] Speaker 1: on the key issues. The challenge for the Liberal Party
[6:27] Speaker 1: is to come up with not definitions of the problem,
[6:30] Speaker 1: but what are their solutions to the issues. We certainly
[6:33] Speaker 1: know that One Nation has got clear answers to many
[6:36] Speaker 1: of these questions and they don't have to do such
[6:38] Speaker 1: work because many of those positions have been the same
[6:40] Speaker 1: for a very long time. Almost all of them are
[6:43] Speaker 1: an echo of what worked for the party that took
[6:45] Speaker 1: them up to doubling their parliamentary representation at the last election. Again,
[6:50] Speaker 1: same pole from the Reserve Resolve poll. That's going to
[6:54] Speaker 1: be turning up in the Cinney Morning Herald, the Age
[6:55] Speaker 1: and the Brisbane Times. So top issues for people keeping
[7:00] Speaker 1: cost of living low, managing the finances, that's of course
[7:04] Speaker 1: a reference to the broader government finances. Then it's health
[7:08] Speaker 1: and aged care. Now I think you could split healthcare
[7:12] Speaker 1: and age care and let's see how they sit. But
[7:14] Speaker 1: you know, I've talked a lot about how gen X
[7:16] Speaker 1: one of the things that is affecting them is because
[7:18] Speaker 1: they're starting to get a line of sight to their
[7:20] Speaker 1: parents and potentially their own lives in and around age care.
[7:23] Speaker 1: How that'll be paid for. There seems to be a
[7:25] Speaker 1: double up between two and four. But still this is
[7:27] Speaker 1: how they've categorized it. Economic management and recovery. And again
[7:32] Speaker 1: back to point number one, jobs and wages. That's your
[7:35] Speaker 1: top five of the issues for Australian politics and Australian
[7:39] Speaker 1: voters right now then six through ten. Housing and rental
[7:44] Speaker 1: prices are at six, crime and anti social behavior. This
[7:47] Speaker 1: is a lot higher than any national political discussion often goes.
[7:51] Speaker 1: But in places like Melbourne, in places like regional Queensland,
[7:56] Speaker 1: or at least on the fringes of Brisbane, that's a
[7:57] Speaker 1: massive issue. Education Now, again, is this about getting easier
[8:02] Speaker 1: access to university? Or is this, as I believe it
[8:04] Speaker 1: to be, people who think the current system is not
[8:06] Speaker 1: good enough? And despite the hundreds of billions of dollars,
[8:08] Speaker 1: the results keep going backwards. Then national security and then
[8:12] Speaker 1: managing natural disasters. Now, based off other polling, the only
[8:19] Speaker 1: one of those ten issues in which the Liberal Party
[8:20] Speaker 1: is in front of anyone else is the ninth most
[8:24] Speaker 1: important issue in the country, that being national security and defense.
[8:28] Speaker 1: And again it is very easy for people in and
[8:31] Speaker 1: around the Liberal Party and to a lesser extent one nation.
[8:34] Speaker 1: But of course one nation at this moment is not
[8:37] Speaker 1: considered to be the party of government. They're playing, of course,
[8:39] Speaker 1: to be opposition between now and the next election. What
[8:44] Speaker 1: is the Liberal Party answer to cost of living? Now?
[8:48] Speaker 1: Is it going to be a repeat largely of what
[8:52] Speaker 1: had been said before about a reduction in things like
[8:54] Speaker 1: petrol taxes. Is it going to be bold ideas like
[8:58] Speaker 1: instant asset right off? Is it going to be major
[9:00] Speaker 1: changes to the tax system that mean, the current largest
[9:05] Speaker 1: source of revenue to the government is the average working
[9:08] Speaker 1: man or woman, and then by some margin is company tax.
[9:11] Speaker 1: And then by some margin under one hundred billion compared
[9:14] Speaker 1: to almost three hundred billion dollars is the GST. I
[9:19] Speaker 1: don't know, But again this is where some of the
[9:21] Speaker 1: meat needs to get on the bone. Now, obviously, any
[9:25] Speaker 1: meat that's put on the bone by an opposition gets
[9:27] Speaker 1: pulled apart by a government. But there has to be
[9:31] Speaker 1: actual answers to many, if not all, of those before
[9:33] Speaker 1: you start to get in the game, because yes, they
[9:36] Speaker 1: have to break up with the government first. Remember governments
[9:38] Speaker 1: lose elections rather than oppositions win them necessarily, But also
[9:43] Speaker 1: for you to become a viable or attractive option is
[9:46] Speaker 1: for not just this is a problem, but what is
[9:48] Speaker 1: the potential solution, Which is why it is very important
[9:52] Speaker 1: to note about the issues in this one pole and
[9:55] Speaker 1: how they are ranked and how often those of us
[9:59] Speaker 1: on the center right in politics talk about them versus
[10:02] Speaker 1: and you know the cost of living has been what
[10:03] Speaker 1: I've been thump thump thumping about for years in a row.
[10:06] Speaker 1: But still we talk a lot about energy, We talk
[10:09] Speaker 1: a lot about renewable power, we talk a lot about Nukullar.
[10:11] Speaker 1: Twelfth most important issue to people, Immigration and refugees. Now
[10:16] Speaker 1: at the same poles will tell us fifty percent of
[10:18] Speaker 1: people think that too much is too many people are
[10:20] Speaker 1: coming in Fourteenth most important information And again for the
[10:25] Speaker 1: Tiffany Teals all the Radical Greens, the environment in climate
[10:29] Speaker 1: change sits below, among other things, the education system, crime, housing,
[10:34] Speaker 1: healthcare and age care. All of that matters, Which is
[10:39] Speaker 1: why I want to take some time talking about how
[10:41] Speaker 1: the first pitch was made by the new leadership of
[10:45] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. Now again, when we're sitting there on
[10:48] Speaker 1: Friday morning, starting to move past whether he would become
[10:52] Speaker 1: the Liberal leader, the questions were about what would be
[10:56] Speaker 1: the first face that Angus Taylor would put on the
[10:59] Speaker 1: Liberal Party. Jane Hume of course elected as his deputy. Well,
[11:04] Speaker 1: very interestingly, there are a couple of moments outside of
[11:08] Speaker 1: the big set piece moments when people do pay attention. Now,
[11:11] Speaker 1: there is a huge number of Australians who simply don't
[11:14] Speaker 1: know Angus Taylor. So this was about a first introduction.
[11:19] Speaker 1: Most people weren't watching television or listening to the radio
[11:22] Speaker 1: at midday on a Friday, so how this was an
[11:24] Speaker 1: interpret of the six pm news matted. But because you
[11:27] Speaker 1: may well have been living a busy life on Friday,
[11:30] Speaker 1: I wanted to show you the first things that were
[11:33] Speaker 1: said by Angus Taylor as the leader. What is he
[11:37] Speaker 1: trying to do in terms of how he's introducing himself,
[11:40] Speaker 1: what issues he's prioritizing, and then marry that against what
[11:43] Speaker 1: I just showed you about people and their feelings right now,
[11:48] Speaker 1: not just about which political party is the best to
[11:50] Speaker 1: handle something, but which issue was most important to them.
[11:54] Speaker 1: This is the first which was about his time that
[11:58] Speaker 1: begins now as the lead of the Liberal Party and
[12:01] Speaker 1: thus opposition.
[12:04] Speaker 2: We're in this position because we didn't stay true to
[12:06] Speaker 2: our core values, because we stopped listening to Australians, because
[12:12] Speaker 2: we are attracted to the politics of convenience rather than
[12:15] Speaker 2: focusing on the politics of conviction.
[12:19] Speaker 1: This ends today. This ends today.
[12:23] Speaker 2: There is much work to be done to win back
[12:25] Speaker 2: supporters in everyday Australians. But just as Australians have put
[12:29] Speaker 2: faith in us before I'm confident we can restore their
[12:33] Speaker 2: faith in us again. It's on us to regain that
[12:36] Speaker 2: trust and earn it. But the choice is simple for
[12:40] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, change or die.
[12:44] Speaker 1: Now. As you know with politicians, they know the moments
[12:47] Speaker 1: that they want to drive home, particularly for that six
[12:50] Speaker 1: pm News. And as I was discussing and back and
[12:53] Speaker 1: forth with everyone on Friday morning here on here, I
[12:56] Speaker 1: put a lot of emphasis on the six pm News,
[12:58] Speaker 1: not because it is the single greatest source news, but because,
[13:01] Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, it is a well established one that's
[13:05] Speaker 1: still more than a million people engage with each and
[13:07] Speaker 1: every night. Still the collective number one television show on FREDA,
[13:10] Speaker 1: Where is the news? Once you put it together between
[13:14] Speaker 1: seven and nine and you throw in the ABC, the
[13:17] Speaker 1: collective news bulletin is number one by a country mile.
[13:20] Speaker 1: Maths might be fun to talk about, but it is
[13:22] Speaker 1: the news that people pay attention to, which is why
[13:25] Speaker 1: I am always trying to show you how the new
[13:28] Speaker 1: sausage is made. Could come up with a by the term,
[13:30] Speaker 1: but still you get the point about how the media
[13:33] Speaker 1: asked the questions, about how the media framed the reports.
[13:36] Speaker 1: Because it's not just about changing minds, not in one night.
[13:39] Speaker 1: It's about changing them week after week after week, or
[13:42] Speaker 1: reinforcing something. So again to that central issue of cost
[13:47] Speaker 1: of living and the central issue that has seen people
[13:50] Speaker 1: move from the Liberal Party to one nation cost of
[13:54] Speaker 1: living and borders. He is haw Angus Taylor delivered the message.
[13:59] Speaker 2: So many Aliens can't afford to buy a home. Australians
[14:04] Speaker 2: who are working two jobs are juggling whether they can
[14:10] Speaker 2: feed their families or pay.
[14:11] Speaker 1: Their electricity bills.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Record immigration has added pressures to infrastructure, to services, to
[14:18] Speaker 2: housing in this country. Our borders have been open to
[14:24] Speaker 2: people who hate our way of life, people who don't
[14:29] Speaker 2: want to embrace Australia and who want Australia to change
[14:33] Speaker 2: for them important stuff.
[14:36] Speaker 1: A lot of people would like to hear such clarity
[14:39] Speaker 1: from an opposition. Interestingly, though, in terms of the a
[14:43] Speaker 1: one issue, it remains cost of living. Now does that
[14:47] Speaker 1: mean that as politics has been turned by the Labor Party,
[14:50] Speaker 1: it's about who can give me the handout? Or is
[14:52] Speaker 1: it about looking at how to ensure that everything government
[14:56] Speaker 1: has a finger in. It's as low as possible that
[15:00] Speaker 1: things like the little ratchets up that happen when it
[15:03] Speaker 1: comes to excise taxes are things that are thought of
[15:06] Speaker 1: or big and bold ideas, like ones that one nation
[15:10] Speaker 1: have taken to an election. And again, once people start
[15:12] Speaker 1: to read, I think people get quite turned on to
[15:14] Speaker 1: which is the idea that if you're a family, well
[15:18] Speaker 1: you would be able to take the highest income and
[15:22] Speaker 1: average it out with the lowest income of your partner,
[15:26] Speaker 1: your husband, your wife. That would be an interesting way
[15:30] Speaker 1: of doing things. What it might mean many couples go
[15:32] Speaker 1: from the highest possible tax rate to a little bit
[15:35] Speaker 1: lower or the most populous tax rate, which is in
[15:39] Speaker 1: and around forty cents, and maybe being able to push
[15:42] Speaker 1: that down be fascinating to see. And again to that
[15:45] Speaker 1: conversation in and around are home ownership and immigration. Now
[15:50] Speaker 1: you've just heard there about again that the values being
[15:53] Speaker 1: offered by Angus Taylor. Well again, it is unsurprising to
[15:57] Speaker 1: be floating around the issue of immigration.
[16:01] Speaker 2: So let me be clear about my resolver's leader and
[16:03] Speaker 2: what the Liberal Party will stand for under my leadership.
[16:07] Speaker 2: All Australians, especially young Australians, deserve the stability and the
[16:12] Speaker 2: opportunity to own a home. Will re establish home ownership
[16:18] Speaker 2: as the centerpiece of the Australian Dream will stand for
[16:22] Speaker 2: an immigration policy that puts the interests of Australians first
[16:27] Speaker 2: and puts Australian values at the center of that policy.
[16:32] Speaker 2: If someone doesn't subscribe to our core beliefs, the door
[16:37] Speaker 2: must be shut. As liberals, we stand for lower inflation,
[16:42] Speaker 2: lower interest rates, and lower taxes, taxes on homes, taxes
[16:47] Speaker 2: on superannuation, taxes on our children's future. Australian needs an
[16:52] Speaker 2: energy policy that is based on common sense, not Labour's
[16:57] Speaker 2: net zero ideology. We will get rid of Labour's bad
[17:03] Speaker 2: carbon taxes on their family vehicle, on manufacturing and food
[17:09] Speaker 2: in this country, and of course on electricity. We'll reduce
[17:14] Speaker 2: financial pressures for families, expand childcare choice and give children
[17:19] Speaker 2: the best start in life, not force every family into
[17:23] Speaker 2: a universal system.
[17:25] Speaker 1: So again, I wanted you to see things in their
[17:28] Speaker 1: proper context. Obviously it's a big day, a nervous moment
[17:32] Speaker 1: for anyone. So yeah, there's the checking of the notes.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Some people mark that up, some people mark that down.
[17:37] Speaker 1: But I think it was a reasonable start. Okay. Now again,
[17:41] Speaker 1: politics is not going to change in a day, and
[17:43] Speaker 1: while a week might be a long time in politics,
[17:45] Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot longer than that to
[17:47] Speaker 1: see exactly how the Liberal Party reintroduces itself, who it
[17:52] Speaker 1: reconnects with. But of course remember at the end of
[17:54] Speaker 1: the day, while yes, there is this significant number of people,
[17:58] Speaker 1: the majority of which used to be Liberals, that have
[18:00] Speaker 1: gone off to one nation, they have to take votes
[18:02] Speaker 1: off the Labor Party. In part. That means you have
[18:05] Speaker 1: to point out their problems. You have to also come
[18:08] Speaker 1: up with better solutions. So some people who may have
[18:12] Speaker 1: written you off for any series of other reasons look
[18:15] Speaker 1: at you because you have a potential answer to the
[18:18] Speaker 1: big issues they care about. Just to stay with the
[18:23] Speaker 1: one nation phenomenon. There is of course the state electoral
[18:26] Speaker 1: system beneath that, that is the national conversation. And while
[18:29] Speaker 1: Paul en Hansen is of course a national politician, the
[18:32] Speaker 1: power of one nation at the state level will be
[18:35] Speaker 1: tested twice this year. It'll be tested in South Australia
[18:39] Speaker 1: and of course in Victoria. But interestingly, we've got some
[18:43] Speaker 1: polling that starts to give us an idea about how
[18:45] Speaker 1: they are traveling. There is an election not that far away,
[18:48] Speaker 1: in fact, literally weeks away in beautiful South Australia. The
[18:51] Speaker 1: leader of One Nation is none other than Corey Bernardi,
[18:54] Speaker 1: and while they'll be running in every single seat, the
[18:57] Speaker 1: hope is that they would be able to do what
[18:59] Speaker 1: they did at the last election, which was to get
[19:01] Speaker 1: a leader in the Upper House elected that would be
[19:04] Speaker 1: Corey Benardi, but hopefully to get maybe a two or
[19:08] Speaker 1: even a third with them. So how do the numbers
[19:11] Speaker 1: actually stick here? Well, as you can see, there has
[19:14] Speaker 1: been quite a change from the last state election. In fact,
[19:19] Speaker 1: you can see there that what was the best part
[19:21] Speaker 1: of very low single digits that were there very low
[19:27] Speaker 1: single digits for the election, the change towards the end
[19:31] Speaker 1: of last year saw a little bit of growth. Now
[19:34] Speaker 1: I think it's about eight percent that's required to get
[19:37] Speaker 1: yourself an Upper House seat, which is why now a
[19:41] Speaker 1: number with a two in front of it would mean
[19:43] Speaker 1: potentially at least two people would be elected under the
[19:47] Speaker 1: One Nation banner in South Australia. But the issue here
[19:51] Speaker 1: is that while the Labor Party has remained relatively solid
[19:54] Speaker 1: and is very dominant in South Australia, what could lead
[19:58] Speaker 1: to further dominance is both in the Greens number. What
[20:02] Speaker 1: is hope for the collective center right is that one
[20:05] Speaker 1: Nation has grown, yes, at the expense of the Liberal Party,
[20:08] Speaker 1: but it never so slightly fall off independence and others. Now,
[20:12] Speaker 1: remember others were previously an exenophon party, the Center Alliance
[20:17] Speaker 1: SA Best, who of course were supposed to have some
[20:21] Speaker 1: major impact of the last election, but of course they
[20:23] Speaker 1: did not. So once you actually get rid of the others,
[20:26] Speaker 1: including the Greens, and you had to divide the pie,
[20:29] Speaker 1: we label would win the majority of it and the
[20:31] Speaker 1: split would be twenty five to twenty one amongst the
[20:36] Speaker 1: opposition of the One Nation Party, which again if it
[20:40] Speaker 1: translates to lower House seats, but most likely it's about
[20:44] Speaker 1: an upper house play. So all weight watch and see.
[20:47] Speaker 1: And because I love digging deeper than I ever should,
[20:50] Speaker 1: just a couple of things I want you to point
[20:52] Speaker 1: out here. The number one demographic that is back in
[20:55] Speaker 1: One Nation is fifty to sixty four. That is the
[20:59] Speaker 1: best demographic for One Nation, the best demographic anywhere for
[21:04] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, for people who have been to university
[21:08] Speaker 1: and men. The best when it comes to the Liberal
[21:11] Speaker 1: Affer to the Labor Party is ironically people over the
[21:14] Speaker 1: ages of sixty five who have only been educated in
[21:18] Speaker 1: high school and even people living in regional areas. Interesting
[21:22] Speaker 1: here when you have a look at Inner Adelaide, there's
[21:25] Speaker 1: basically no giant difference between Inner and Outer Adelaide seventeen
[21:29] Speaker 1: eighteen percent for one nation, it's all the Orange. And
[21:32] Speaker 1: then in regional the Liberal Party runs third to the
[21:36] Speaker 1: Labor Party on twenty nine one nation on twenty six,
[21:39] Speaker 1: meaning that those preferences, if the majority of them went
[21:42] Speaker 1: to One Nation, they'd be able to beat Labor and
[21:45] Speaker 1: perhaps start to take some of those lower House seats.
[21:48] Speaker 1: So that election is sooner rather than later, that will
[21:51] Speaker 1: be one of the first tests. Again, they got a
[21:55] Speaker 1: member elected at the last state election, so they'd have
[21:58] Speaker 1: to do better than that. You have to imagine that
[22:00] Speaker 1: Corey Bernardi being sent back in to politics, this time
[22:04] Speaker 1: via the Upper House of South Australia and one Nation
[22:07] Speaker 1: would be the dead level performance, but all of the
[22:09] Speaker 1: indicators are that they would be well and truly above that.
[22:12] Speaker 1: Remember low single digits now up to twenty percent, meaning
[22:15] Speaker 1: that they could be playing on the fringes in some
[22:18] Speaker 1: of those regional areas, which of course would give them
[22:20] Speaker 1: representation downstairs, but still a Labor victory at this stage.
[22:24] Speaker 1: As for Victoria, which I pointed out before is according
[22:27] Speaker 1: to the federal polls, the single strongest primary vote for
[22:30] Speaker 1: one Nation is in Victoria. So what about the polling
[22:35] Speaker 1: that has been done by the Demos organization. Now, the
[22:39] Speaker 1: Demo's organization does stuff that will pop up in the
[22:42] Speaker 1: Herald Sun, the TiSER, the Telegraph and the courier mail.
[22:46] Speaker 1: And it shows here that in Victoria the largest single
[22:50] Speaker 1: primary vote is for the coalition, which is very solid
[22:54] Speaker 1: to see with the Labor Party yes down, but going
[23:00] Speaker 1: to remember you basically can totally add the Greens to
[23:03] Speaker 1: it and see how close to fifty that goes the
[23:06] Speaker 1: one nation number, which is incredibly strong, being much higher
[23:09] Speaker 1: than the Greens, much higher than the Tiffany tels. Well, presumably,
[23:13] Speaker 1: if preference discipline, if most of the people and I
[23:16] Speaker 1: mean more than seven out of ten, but most of
[23:18] Speaker 1: the people who vote for one nation preference a change
[23:21] Speaker 1: of government via the Liberals, the Liberals could go very
[23:24] Speaker 1: damn close. But a lot can be done between now
[23:27] Speaker 1: and then. And if you want to know the story
[23:29] Speaker 1: of Victoria, well, the Labor Party has gone backwards since
[23:31] Speaker 1: the last election, but the Liberal Party has two Labor
[23:35] Speaker 1: had more of a margin to lose than the Liberals did.
[23:38] Speaker 1: Any fall back in their vote becomes problematic. But you
[23:41] Speaker 1: can see the giant surge is where it often is
[23:44] Speaker 1: in a poll, in a graph showing orange over and
[23:49] Speaker 1: over again. And while yes, some people like yourself will
[23:52] Speaker 1: be working on the weekend, most will of course go
[23:55] Speaker 1: back tomorrow. So in the spirit of that, while you
[23:58] Speaker 1: were working, be it today or getting ready for it tomorrow.
[24:00] Speaker 1: And you're paying tax. We pay for the politicians and
[24:04] Speaker 1: their staffers to make crap like this on social media.
[24:08] Speaker 1: Here is clueless clarre O'Neil, the wiggles, the wiggles, okay,
[24:27] Speaker 1: Ali Franz who was the member for Dixon, she was well,
[24:31] Speaker 1: doing this with your money. And another labor MP who's
[24:45] Speaker 1: trying to be so cool. We're talking about the politics
[24:48] Speaker 1: of the other side. Just a reminder, by the way
[25:02] Speaker 1: again for all these labor and peace we'll say what
[25:04] Speaker 1: they want to say when it comes to gender. The
[25:07] Speaker 1: single politician in Australia who took down Julia Gillard held
[25:12] Speaker 1: back Tanya pliber seconds Anthony Albernezi. The only party that
[25:16] Speaker 1: of course is led by a woman is Paulin Hanson's
[25:19] Speaker 1: One Nation, the only one that has a deputy leader
[25:21] Speaker 1: is the Liberal Party because the two people downstairs leading
[25:24] Speaker 1: everything for the Labor Party blokes, but it's them that
[25:28] Speaker 1: have got the problem. We want to seck you plenty
[25:31] Speaker 1: to talk about, No sooks, no lefties. We'll talk about
[25:33] Speaker 1: whether Taylor's change is enough, how long it'll all be,
[25:38] Speaker 1: how things are going for one nation at that state level,
[25:40] Speaker 1: with among others, the wonderful Lee Hanson, and then just
[25:43] Speaker 1: sit at Amper Jimper Price. What does she want to
[25:45] Speaker 1: do in a rejigged shadow cabinet. We'll talk to her.
[25:48] Speaker 1: No sooks, no lefties on a Sunday. Have you had
[25:50] Speaker 1: a good weekend? Come up when it's a no sooks,
[25:57] Speaker 1: no lefty Sunday. We do not just dip our big
[26:00] Speaker 1: toe in the water. We jump all the way in
[26:02] Speaker 1: and who cares how deep the water is. We will
[26:05] Speaker 1: go as deep as we can on the issues that
[26:07] Speaker 1: we know you care about. Daniel Wild is from the
[26:09] Speaker 1: IPA joins us now from South Australia and the wonderful
[26:12] Speaker 1: Lee Hanson, who is up there in the echelons of
[26:14] Speaker 1: running one Nation. But of course we'd love to see
[26:16] Speaker 1: her as a senator from Tazzy too. She joins us
[26:18] Speaker 1: from beautiful Hobart right now, Hello one and all. Hopefully
[26:21] Speaker 1: you've had a wonderful weekend. So Daniel, you right of
[26:24] Speaker 1: course ran for the Libs at the last federal election.
[26:27] Speaker 1: You've seen what's happened since. What did you think of
[26:30] Speaker 1: those very early tentative steps of a reintroduction, particularly on Friday,
[26:35] Speaker 1: when more eyes were on it than the news of
[26:37] Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday night.
[26:41] Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was a very positive start. Pall
[26:43] Speaker 3: from Angus Taylor. I think you hit on a couple
[26:45] Speaker 3: of important issues. Obviously. The main one was immigration that
[26:48] Speaker 3: he discussed, and he discussed it in terms that I've
[26:50] Speaker 3: not heard a Liberal member of Parliament do so in public.
[26:54] Speaker 3: Plenty of them do it in private, but not in public,
[26:56] Speaker 3: which is where it counts. And I think it was
[26:58] Speaker 3: very strong on the cultural and social component of the
[27:00] Speaker 3: problems of the immigration program, saying there's people in this
[27:03] Speaker 3: country who hate Australia and if you're going to behave
[27:06] Speaker 3: in that way, that the door is closed. And I
[27:08] Speaker 3: thought that was very welcome. Now let's wait and see
[27:10] Speaker 3: what comes, but a positive.
[27:11] Speaker 1: Start, you know.
[27:12] Speaker 3: The other thing that he said that was very interesting
[27:14] Speaker 3: that hasn't actually been picked up that much was about
[27:16] Speaker 3: family choice, and this is a really big one when
[27:20] Speaker 3: it comes to giving parents more control over how they
[27:25] Speaker 3: go about their family and work life. We know that
[27:27] Speaker 3: the current system is basically funneling everybody into the one
[27:30] Speaker 3: size fits or child care system. So if there's going
[27:32] Speaker 3: to be a policy an approach, which might be income
[27:35] Speaker 3: tax splitting or something like that, that'd be a really
[27:38] Speaker 3: big one. So I thought it was a positive start.
[27:40] Speaker 3: But the key thing, Paul is will the Liberal Party
[27:44] Speaker 3: be willing not just to engage in the sort of
[27:46] Speaker 3: technocratic policy debates but take big, bold risk, which is
[27:51] Speaker 3: what they're going to have to do to fundamentally reorientate
[27:54] Speaker 3: the brand of the Liberal Party in the eyes of
[27:56] Speaker 3: the electorate. So that's going to be the big test
[27:58] Speaker 3: for Angus Lee.
[28:00] Speaker 1: I have made no secret of this that I am
[28:04] Speaker 1: many people are those that are going to need to
[28:06] Speaker 1: go through that conversation of being one back. I certainly
[28:09] Speaker 1: know that many of my mates that have decided to
[28:11] Speaker 1: go all in on Team one Nation, They're gone right,
[28:16] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the triangulating is. But did you
[28:20] Speaker 1: start to see some of the dog whistle go up
[28:22] Speaker 1: or even a foghorn that these Libs are going to
[28:26] Speaker 1: try to shape shift to be a little this and
[28:29] Speaker 1: a little that that could shave a little off the
[28:33] Speaker 1: one nation vote.
[28:36] Speaker 4: Look, Paul, as Senator Hanson said the other day, same horse,
[28:42] Speaker 4: just a different jockey. To Dan's point, yes, there were
[28:46] Speaker 4: certainly some commentary which is more forthcoming in conservative values
[28:52] Speaker 4: in regards to immigration and education. But your point about
[28:56] Speaker 4: will they potentially look at jewel income splitting all that
[28:59] Speaker 4: child care payment should actually follow potentially the parent like
[29:03] Speaker 4: some models overseas, this is one nation's position. This is
[29:07] Speaker 4: one nation's policy. So again what I'm hearing is we
[29:11] Speaker 4: will try to mirror one nation. However, the key difference
[29:15] Speaker 4: in what I'm hearing is I do not believe they
[29:17] Speaker 4: will actually go far enough. You know, what will be
[29:21] Speaker 4: their policy in regards to immigration, What number or cap
[29:25] Speaker 4: will they actually look to propose. And the challenge I'm
[29:28] Speaker 4: actually seeing is, even though they might have a new
[29:32] Speaker 4: jockey per se, the party is still fractured. So whilst
[29:36] Speaker 4: you have a new leader of the party, internally, there
[29:38] Speaker 4: are still too many moderates within. So they'll try to
[29:41] Speaker 4: appease to the right and they'll try to appease to
[29:44] Speaker 4: the left, and they'll sit in the middle, in the
[29:47] Speaker 4: moderate space again, and this is where they'll let down
[29:49] Speaker 4: the voters and their members once again. Hence why some
[29:52] Speaker 4: of the commentary what we're hearing too little, too late,
[29:55] Speaker 4: You won't go far enough.
[29:56] Speaker 5: One Nation is the only.
[29:58] Speaker 4: Political party who's call it out, who says what they mean,
[30:01] Speaker 4: and mean what they say, and will actually drive the
[30:04] Speaker 4: change that we need for this country.
[30:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, of course, Susan Lee's decision to leave the parliament,
[30:09] Speaker 1: which I was going to say, I was surprised she
[30:10] Speaker 1: made on the day Obviously, I think probably certainly the
[30:15] Speaker 1: night before, there would have been an understanding that it
[30:17] Speaker 1: wasn't going to be as tight as it was last time.
[30:21] Speaker 1: There was the beginning of the blowout. I particularly think
[30:23] Speaker 1: the James Patterson you know, two million votes since the
[30:25] Speaker 1: last election, seven million a day. That was the hammer blow.
[30:29] Speaker 1: I don't care whether people liked it or not. It
[30:31] Speaker 1: was the absolute final moment where whatever fight back they
[30:34] Speaker 1: were thinking about was gone, if not long gone before that.
[30:39] Speaker 1: So it means of course this by election now we
[30:41] Speaker 1: know exactly how this is going to go. By elections
[30:43] Speaker 1: in some ways end up being sort of ruwshack tests
[30:47] Speaker 1: in that whoever went into it thinking the Liberal Party
[30:49] Speaker 1: has a problem, even if they win the seat with
[30:51] Speaker 1: an increased majority, will think the Liberal Party has a problem.
[30:54] Speaker 1: The people who will say that, you know, one nation
[30:57] Speaker 1: overpolls but underperforms even if they win the seat. Way around,
[31:01] Speaker 1: if Labour wins the seed, it's about a further dominance,
[31:04] Speaker 1: so we know how it's all post spun. But of
[31:08] Speaker 1: course we know one nation is going to be in
[31:10] Speaker 1: that fight for Farah. You'll have a new face running
[31:13] Speaker 1: for the Libs. You'll have the Nets being able to
[31:16] Speaker 1: run for it as well. You'll have potentially state independence
[31:20] Speaker 1: formerly of say Shooters and Fishes coming up as independents.
[31:23] Speaker 1: There'll be versions of the Tiffany Teals, the Green's in
[31:26] Speaker 1: there as well. But one thing in a by election
[31:28] Speaker 1: is that it's either four people running or it's a
[31:30] Speaker 1: Melbourne cup field, meaning there's a whole mess of a
[31:34] Speaker 1: mess of preferences to come. Lee, you're inside the room.
[31:38] Speaker 1: I know that the locals will make the decision, but
[31:40] Speaker 1: how close is one nation to coming up with who
[31:42] Speaker 1: they want to replace? Susan Lee in the Parliament via Farah.
[31:49] Speaker 5: Very close.
[31:49] Speaker 4: We've already called expression of interests, sorry, expressions of interest,
[31:53] Speaker 4: and we've had an overwhelming number of applications. We actually
[31:57] Speaker 4: have a branch meeting I believe it's Monday evening this week,
[32:01] Speaker 4: so tomorrow, where we're starting to have that conversation with
[32:04] Speaker 4: the branch so the branch can identify a strong candidate
[32:08] Speaker 4: that will represent them, So giving the branch a voice
[32:13] Speaker 4: in who they want to represent them. So the interesting
[32:16] Speaker 4: factor with the Pharaoh election. To your point, Paul, I'm
[32:21] Speaker 4: actually not surprised susanly resigned. To be honest, it was
[32:26] Speaker 4: a diplomatic way to put a knife in the back
[32:29] Speaker 4: on the way out. And given she has what is
[32:31] Speaker 4: it in excess to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
[32:34] Speaker 4: taxpayer taxpayer funded pension.
[32:38] Speaker 5: So yes, it will be a tight race.
[32:40] Speaker 4: It's going to be a test for the Liberals as
[32:43] Speaker 4: well as one nation selection. But the key is if
[32:47] Speaker 4: Liberals are true to their word and want to get
[32:50] Speaker 4: rid of this labor government just as much as what
[32:53] Speaker 4: we do, then they need to work with us. If
[32:56] Speaker 4: they do, then they need to preference one nation above
[33:00] Speaker 4: the Greens, above labor and above the TiAl independence right.
[33:06] Speaker 4: If they don't, then it will just demonstrate that they're
[33:09] Speaker 4: in it for themselves and not in it for what's
[33:11] Speaker 4: best for this country. So it will be a test
[33:13] Speaker 4: to see and if they don't preference one nation above
[33:16] Speaker 4: the independent teals, etc. Then it just shows they don't
[33:22] Speaker 4: care enough about this country.
[33:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel, Obviously the ability to put one nation higher
[33:28] Speaker 1: in preferences like outright number two is going to be
[33:31] Speaker 1: a lot easier in a by election in a regional
[33:35] Speaker 1: area as opposed to the national decision, which has different
[33:38] Speaker 1: consequences or can be weaponized in different ways. Again, I
[33:41] Speaker 1: don't care why, because Labor is only in the Parliament
[33:43] Speaker 1: because of the Greens. Even when they were winning as
[33:46] Speaker 1: thumbingly as they did in the end, they weren't winning
[33:48] Speaker 1: an awful lot on primary So preferences always matter. And
[33:51] Speaker 1: as pet of Quidlin correctly pointed out, this particular electorate,
[33:55] Speaker 1: like a lot of others, has bits that are more
[33:57] Speaker 1: this and bits that are more that. We'll talk about
[34:00] Speaker 1: that in a little more data in detail tomorrow night.
[34:03] Speaker 1: But your thoughts here about the type of person the
[34:05] Speaker 1: Liberal Party has to serve up because of course Susan Lee,
[34:08] Speaker 1: whether they were in government or out of government, has
[34:10] Speaker 1: been there since two thousand and one.
[34:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Look, it's got to be a real
[34:16] Speaker 3: person who understands the area but can also grasp the
[34:19] Speaker 3: moment that we're in as a nation. So they have
[34:21] Speaker 3: to be able to do two things. And I think
[34:24] Speaker 3: your analysis was spot on. There's going to be every
[34:26] Speaker 3: man and his dog's going to be running in this one.
[34:28] Speaker 3: And I'm really looking forward to it because it's a
[34:30] Speaker 3: test for both the Liberal Party and One Nation, and
[34:34] Speaker 3: they're not both going to win this one, and so
[34:37] Speaker 3: I think for One Nation, the interesting thing will be
[34:39] Speaker 3: how many people do they get out on the boots,
[34:42] Speaker 3: because when you're talking about the brass knuckles of politics
[34:45] Speaker 3: and preferencing, the preferencing is only as good as your
[34:48] Speaker 3: ability to get it into people's hands or on people's
[34:50] Speaker 3: heads or their phones when they walk into the booth.
[34:52] Speaker 3: So that's going to be interesting to see the capacity
[34:55] Speaker 3: of one nation to build up people that are enthusiastically
[34:58] Speaker 3: getting out to man the boots. I think for the
[35:00] Speaker 3: Liberal Party, well, they're the incumbent, the expectation is that
[35:03] Speaker 3: they will hold the seat, so I think it's an
[35:06] Speaker 3: opportunity for angus to get out there. I think sometimes
[35:09] Speaker 3: there's a tendency of leaders to shy away from by
[35:12] Speaker 3: elections because obviously if it goes bad, then you know
[35:14] Speaker 3: you're blamed as the leader. But this is really a
[35:17] Speaker 3: fantastic opportunity because the eyes of the nation will be
[35:19] Speaker 3: on it, so it's going to be sort of a
[35:20] Speaker 3: de facto platform for battling out some of these big
[35:23] Speaker 3: national issues. So I'm as a political tragic really looking
[35:27] Speaker 3: forward to it. But you know, either Liberals will do
[35:30] Speaker 3: well or one nation will do well, and it's going
[35:32] Speaker 3: to help I think set the narrative for the rest
[35:34] Speaker 3: of the year.
[35:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that aston by election where of course the
[35:37] Speaker 1: Libs ended up going in the wrong direction when it
[35:38] Speaker 1: came to who the candidate was. This was an early
[35:43] Speaker 1: electoral sign. It was of course the Liberal Party losing
[35:46] Speaker 1: a seat after the twenty twenty two election. Of course,
[35:49] Speaker 1: as history will tell all of us that generally speaking,
[35:51] Speaker 1: its governments who go backwards post elections, not opposition, so
[35:54] Speaker 1: we'll all see what happens. All right. Now, let's talk
[35:57] Speaker 1: about a piece of Paul Kelly wrote over the weekend
[36:00] Speaker 1: where he was talking about social cohesion. Now this has
[36:04] Speaker 1: become a very sort of comfortable term to discuss how
[36:08] Speaker 1: we get along. Now. The lefty version of social cohesion
[36:12] Speaker 1: is that regardless of difference, everyone should forgive everyone's difference.
[36:17] Speaker 1: But even if the person who doesn't forgive their difference
[36:21] Speaker 1: to you, you have to forgive them more so, And
[36:23] Speaker 1: because you've been here, you get what social cohesion means.
[36:26] Speaker 1: Right From the other perspective, social cohesion is about the
[36:29] Speaker 1: joints worked a certain way for a certain period of time.
[36:32] Speaker 1: Why are things changing and why have they changed to
[36:34] Speaker 1: such an extent. But Lee he also started to focus
[36:38] Speaker 1: down on whether the fractures that we have seen starting
[36:42] Speaker 1: an emblematic through Israel Palestine, about whether this is more
[36:48] Speaker 1: of the norm rather than a sort of a particular
[36:51] Speaker 1: flare up that we'll look back on and wonder why
[36:54] Speaker 1: we got so flared up about it. What's your thoughts
[36:58] Speaker 1: firstly about what that word means, how it's deployed, but
[37:00] Speaker 1: also that question of is the current back and forth
[37:03] Speaker 1: the new normal because of the mistakes we're made in
[37:06] Speaker 1: the past.
[37:09] Speaker 4: Look, I actually agree it is becoming more normal.
[37:15] Speaker 5: The fraction and divide that's happening in our country.
[37:18] Speaker 4: You know, in my lifetime, I've never felt more divide
[37:22] Speaker 4: and hatred in Australia as what I do today. And
[37:26] Speaker 4: this is what I'm hearing from everyday Australian so I
[37:28] Speaker 4: passing the street who come up and say we.
[37:30] Speaker 5: Need to change.
[37:31] Speaker 4: I think a big part of it has got to
[37:33] Speaker 4: do with our children not being taught to love our country.
[37:38] Speaker 4: They're being told the history that we should be ashamed
[37:42] Speaker 4: of who we are. We're engaging in international wars and
[37:47] Speaker 4: indoctrinating our children throughout both our schools in a university system.
[37:52] Speaker 4: So the divide is real, the hatred's real. But what
[37:55] Speaker 4: really breaks my heart is the left wing activists, and
[37:59] Speaker 4: they are extreme activists, are causing this. They are dividing
[38:03] Speaker 4: our country.
[38:04] Speaker 5: They are promoting this right. So you know, you look at.
[38:07] Speaker 4: The protests that occurred last week and the violence that
[38:12] Speaker 4: broke out accordingly and the commentary that was made from
[38:15] Speaker 4: an Australian of the Year.
[38:17] Speaker 5: It is heartbreaking.
[38:18] Speaker 4: But the fact that they can't actually see that is
[38:22] Speaker 4: their actions that are fueling this hatred that has led
[38:25] Speaker 4: to the anti Semitism that is led to people feeling
[38:31] Speaker 4: they can't be patriotical, love this country and if you
[38:34] Speaker 4: dare say anything against it, shame on you. So yeah,
[38:38] Speaker 4: Paul makes a really valid point, And yes, I do
[38:41] Speaker 4: believe there is such a divide between the left and
[38:44] Speaker 4: the conservative these days, and it really stems back to
[38:48] Speaker 4: taking recognition and ownership of our actions. Get a head
[38:51] Speaker 4: out from the sand and start seeing that what they're
[38:56] Speaker 4: doing is causing the issues.
[38:58] Speaker 5: So the question is do.
[38:59] Speaker 4: They care about their actions and the hatred and the
[39:03] Speaker 4: violence that's creating or they just simply blind to it.
[39:07] Speaker 4: I'm not quite.
[39:08] Speaker 1: Sure, Daniel, your thoughts on this thesis that the current
[39:12] Speaker 1: rifts may well end up becoming well, certainly short term permanent.
[39:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've got to deal with this for
[39:21] Speaker 3: a generation. It's not going to go away anytime soon.
[39:24] Speaker 3: And there's a couple of components to this. I mean, firstly,
[39:26] Speaker 3: we've had the ideology of multiculturalism for many, many years.
[39:30] Speaker 3: I mean, you could say it actually went back to
[39:31] Speaker 3: GoF Whitlam, but certainly Paul Keating put that on steroids.
[39:34] Speaker 3: And multiculturalism is the idea that we just happen to
[39:37] Speaker 3: live on the same land mass, but there's nothing that
[39:39] Speaker 3: unites us and we sort of got away with it
[39:42] Speaker 3: for a while because the size of the program was
[39:45] Speaker 3: relatively modest, even during the Keating era all the way
[39:48] Speaker 3: up until around two thousand and four two thousand and seven,
[39:51] Speaker 3: the intake we could sort of manage, and so, yes,
[39:54] Speaker 3: maybe there were some people coming in who would be
[39:56] Speaker 3: better off not being here, but they were sort of
[39:58] Speaker 3: absorbed into our society. When you're talking about three hundred
[40:01] Speaker 3: four hundred, five hundred thousand net migration each year, which
[40:04] Speaker 3: is what this government has brought in. In addition to
[40:07] Speaker 3: the fact that there's been next to no meaningful screening
[40:10] Speaker 3: of the values of these people coming into our country,
[40:13] Speaker 3: it's basically official government policy to divide our nations. You
[40:17] Speaker 3: look at the current government, well, what did our Beneezy
[40:20] Speaker 3: start with? He started with the Voice to Parliament, so
[40:23] Speaker 3: that he spent the first eighteen months of government telling
[40:26] Speaker 3: new migrants who came here that they're going to be
[40:29] Speaker 3: going to the back of the queue, that because they're
[40:31] Speaker 3: the most recent here, that they go to the bat
[40:34] Speaker 3: because those who have been here the longest culturally go
[40:36] Speaker 3: to the front of the queue. How's that going to
[40:38] Speaker 3: work out? For division? And then what we've seen, Paul
[40:41] Speaker 3: is is we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
[40:43] Speaker 3: We've got these so called anti hate group laws, anti
[40:46] Speaker 3: free speech laws, which means the one or two percent
[40:49] Speaker 3: that are doing the wrong thing are stopping the ninety
[40:51] Speaker 3: eight percent of us from expressing our views, from peacefully protesting,
[40:55] Speaker 3: from having a freedom of assembly. So we're losing our
[40:59] Speaker 3: values in such a rapid way that this is not
[41:01] Speaker 3: going to be fixed overnight. I think this is a
[41:04] Speaker 3: generational project and all of us concerned have to be
[41:06] Speaker 3: a part of it.
[41:07] Speaker 1: Well, remember how this works is that the left want
[41:09] Speaker 1: to change the country to the one they want, but
[41:12] Speaker 1: they also want to deny you the ability to defend
[41:15] Speaker 1: the country that you liked. So you see they're trying
[41:19] Speaker 1: to pressure in both ways to get exactly the same result.
[41:21] Speaker 1: It ain't an accident. Thank you guys, to appreciate it.
[41:24] Speaker 1: Lee Hanson, Daniel Wide will see them again next Sunday.
[41:27] Speaker 1: All right, quick break, no sooks, no lefties tonight. I
[41:29] Speaker 1: hope you're having fun. Hope you're sitting back with the
[41:32] Speaker 1: family enjoying the best of what is the greatest country
[41:34] Speaker 1: in the world. Just in an ampigenmper Price joins us next.
[41:37] Speaker 1: How far up the front does she go on a
[41:39] Speaker 1: front bench? I say, I put a right at the
[41:41] Speaker 1: tip tippy top? Oh, how good? No sooks, no lefties
[41:50] Speaker 1: on a Sunday night, which is wonderful because we get
[41:52] Speaker 1: to talk to the wonderful senator just into Nampergen Price
[41:55] Speaker 1: joining us now from beautiful Holah Springs. How are a rockstaye?
[41:58] Speaker 1: How's a weekend being a little light because there's a
[42:00] Speaker 1: new leader?
[42:01] Speaker 5: Very well, it's been a great weekend. It's been a
[42:05] Speaker 5: great weekend. Paul and I flow back.
[42:07] Speaker 6: It flew back into the alice and I looked out
[42:09] Speaker 6: of the window and everything was green because we've had
[42:13] Speaker 6: well flooding in the in the center which is usually
[42:17] Speaker 6: red and dry.
[42:17] Speaker 5: But it's amazing. But it's lovely to be home.
[42:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, rain wose kind of feast or famine right, that's
[42:22] Speaker 1: the joy of the Central Australia. So you were on
[42:25] Speaker 1: with Carl Stefanovic on his new podcast and you quite
[42:28] Speaker 1: correctly decided to put a ghost right back in his place.
[42:32] Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about Karl. This is what you
[42:34] Speaker 1: said about the ghost roll tape.
[42:37] Speaker 6: I tell you what, who needs to zip their lips?
[42:39] Speaker 3: Though?
[42:39] Speaker 6: Malcolm Turnbull, that bloke like you were done, You're dusted,
[42:45] Speaker 6: your has been Please move on, Malcolm. We don't want
[42:51] Speaker 6: to hear your ramblings anymore. Where you're not in the
[42:56] Speaker 6: driver's seat anymore.
[42:57] Speaker 1: We are.
[42:57] Speaker 6: We need to be able to bring this country to
[42:59] Speaker 6: a point that is a hell of a lot better
[43:02] Speaker 6: than what it is today, and we don't need ghosts
[43:05] Speaker 6: from the past popping up and running down good people
[43:08] Speaker 6: like Angus Taylor.
[43:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, given the fact that you were
[43:12] Speaker 1: giving that answer, was this something comments that you made
[43:15] Speaker 1: in the past couple of days, Was that one in
[43:17] Speaker 1: a can for a little bit longer, because it seems
[43:20] Speaker 1: to have hit the nail right on the head to
[43:22] Speaker 1: what the ghost was saying on Friday.
[43:26] Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it was certainly in response to that. But
[43:29] Speaker 6: you know the fact that he doesn't have anything really
[43:33] Speaker 6: to contribute that's beneficial to anybody anymore, and he's talking
[43:37] Speaker 6: about perhaps even starting a new Teal party, will please,
[43:41] Speaker 6: by all means go ahead do that, you know, and
[43:46] Speaker 6: if that's what you.
[43:47] Speaker 5: Want to do, go ahead. I mean, the rest of
[43:50] Speaker 5: the country is not.
[43:50] Speaker 6: Going to not going to care so much because he's
[43:53] Speaker 6: far removed from places like Central Australia and the Northern Territory.
[43:58] Speaker 5: But go for gold. Stop running people down.
[44:03] Speaker 6: That are that are good people that are really trying
[44:05] Speaker 6: hard right now to mend the coalition, to fix the
[44:11] Speaker 6: distrust between the Liberal Party.
[44:13] Speaker 5: And the Australian people, and you.
[44:17] Speaker 6: Know, stop being stop stop being so unconstructive.
[44:22] Speaker 5: I suppose it was.
[44:24] Speaker 6: Certainly in response to those comments, but the fact that
[44:28] Speaker 6: if stop beating about the bush, if you're going to
[44:29] Speaker 6: start a party, go off and start your party. I mean,
[44:33] Speaker 6: I'd really love to see you know how that pans out, Really.
[44:36] Speaker 5: I really would.
[44:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, All right, let's let's get to the future now. Obviously,
[44:42] Speaker 1: Angus Taylor is in a position to decide who's in
[44:45] Speaker 1: the shadow ministry. Just nine months ago you were going
[44:48] Speaker 1: to be running as his deputy leader, so obviously he
[44:50] Speaker 1: thinks warmly of you, as you do of him. Are
[44:54] Speaker 1: you offering any private insights about where you want to land?
[44:58] Speaker 1: You obviously want to get back in the game and
[45:00] Speaker 1: get back into shadow cabinet, So firstly I'll ask you
[45:03] Speaker 1: do you want to be back in shadow cabinet? And secondly,
[45:06] Speaker 1: have you told him what you'd like to do?
[45:10] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[45:10] Speaker 6: Look, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm obviously not
[45:12] Speaker 6: in this game for the purpose of establishing titles. I'm
[45:16] Speaker 6: here to fight for the benefit of the Australian people.
[45:20] Speaker 5: And you know, wherever that is.
[45:22] Speaker 6: Where I can be my strongest, where I can put
[45:25] Speaker 6: my best foot forward. You know, that is ultimately what
[45:29] Speaker 6: I want to be able to do. Want to be
[45:31] Speaker 6: able to focus on working on the coalition once more,
[45:35] Speaker 6: to strengthen the Coalition for the benefit of the Australian
[45:37] Speaker 6: people so that we can put on offer an alternative
[45:41] Speaker 6: government for the Australian people.
[45:44] Speaker 5: So that's really what I'm looking forward to, and especially
[45:48] Speaker 5: with a new leadership.
[45:49] Speaker 6: And look, it's not to be a senator in our
[45:53] Speaker 6: Parliament as it is in the first place, but if
[45:56] Speaker 6: I can be in a position of strength, then you know,
[46:00] Speaker 6: certainly would be looking forward to that opportunity if that
[46:03] Speaker 6: comes along.
[46:04] Speaker 1: Well, free advice is what you pay for it. But
[46:06] Speaker 1: can I just put that out into the universe that
[46:08] Speaker 1: whatever the job is, and whatever it'd be, from you know,
[46:11] Speaker 1: finance to national security, it should be and social cohesion
[46:15] Speaker 1: because I'd love to be able to see you speak
[46:17] Speaker 1: broadly too, those fractures that exist and they exist in
[46:21] Speaker 1: lots of different areas, including what plays out in your
[46:24] Speaker 1: hometown to how we are being torn apart under the
[46:28] Speaker 1: cover of being pulled together across the country. But again,
[46:31] Speaker 1: I am in charge, and that's a good thing for
[46:33] Speaker 1: a lot of people. But I did want to ask
[46:35] Speaker 1: you about Angus Taylor and his decision making. Again, give
[46:38] Speaker 1: us an insight into not just about how he's going
[46:41] Speaker 1: to fight. We know the issues he's going to want
[46:43] Speaker 1: to fight on. We know about immigration, we know about
[46:45] Speaker 1: those things. Give me an idea about his decision making process,
[46:48] Speaker 1: about how he thinks or talks something through.
[46:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[46:54] Speaker 6: Look, I mean he's the kind of leader and you
[46:57] Speaker 6: know that has many conversations with all of his colleagues
[47:01] Speaker 6: because he wants to understand all of his colleagues and
[47:05] Speaker 6: what we're all thinking and what we're I suppose particularly
[47:09] Speaker 6: passionate about. He's very observant in that regard and obviously
[47:15] Speaker 6: at the forefront. And look, when he gave his first
[47:18] Speaker 6: interview after becoming leader, I saw the look in his eyes,
[47:22] Speaker 6: the look of determination to get this right. And as
[47:27] Speaker 6: he has said, fundamentally, we need to lift the living
[47:31] Speaker 6: standards for the Australian people, but we also need to
[47:34] Speaker 6: protect our way of life and those values I think
[47:38] Speaker 6: are values that I know that he's going to lead with,
[47:40] Speaker 6: but that are really important.
[47:41] Speaker 5: To the Australian people.
[47:43] Speaker 6: And as I said, he is somebody who will reach
[47:47] Speaker 6: out and talk to all of his colleagues because he
[47:50] Speaker 6: understands the importance of pulling us all together so that
[47:53] Speaker 6: we can work as a unified team toward the goal
[47:57] Speaker 6: of taking on the Labor government more few. So yeah,
[48:03] Speaker 6: with that in mind, I know that he will make
[48:05] Speaker 6: the right decisions and I imagine he will put together
[48:08] Speaker 6: a stellar front bench and utilize people to the best
[48:13] Speaker 6: of their abilities in that way.
[48:16] Speaker 5: So you know, I think we're all looking forward to
[48:18] Speaker 5: what that looks like.
[48:19] Speaker 1: Good stuff. And again I want to see you move
[48:21] Speaker 1: further and further in the front in the procedural things
[48:23] Speaker 1: that happen in the Senate as well. But I know
[48:25] Speaker 1: that's as Peter Cribtin was stilling us on the here
[48:27] Speaker 1: the other day. That's the party room of the Liberal
[48:30] Speaker 1: that's a sub thing. It's different. We'll see what happens,
[48:33] Speaker 1: but all of it I hope leans you a way.
[48:34] Speaker 1: Thank you mate. We'll talk to you again very soon.
[48:38] Speaker 5: No worries.
[48:38] Speaker 1: She's the best senator. Just into Nampagin for price. Happy
[48:41] Speaker 1: lady because she believes that the joint is set it
[48:44] Speaker 1: in the right direction under a brand new leader. And
[48:46] Speaker 1: I hope that she is absolutely in the front of
[48:48] Speaker 1: the bus and whatever the title and social cohesion, she
[48:51] Speaker 1: can fight in every single corner of every part of
[48:54] Speaker 1: the country on lots of different issues. More and a
[48:56] Speaker 1: seek here on pom My Relive, including what about that
[48:58] Speaker 1: mega crash at bath yesterday? We got an excellent fix
[49:07] Speaker 1: of motorsport today. It was twelve hours of racing around
[49:09] Speaker 1: Bathurst the Triple A Merk one. But what about this crash?
[49:14] Speaker 5: Our leaders right now are through the ses making their
[49:16] Speaker 5: way down to the Dipper.
[49:17] Speaker 3: They're not far away from getting to that car.
[49:19] Speaker 1: Here they come, he's down.
[49:20] Speaker 5: It's the admins to.
[49:23] Speaker 1: Huge shots, huge shot for the Kraft by Boo car
[49:26] Speaker 1: straight and they were at the top of the VFW.
[49:29] Speaker 1: Where was the yellow flag warning them that the track
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