# Paul Murray Live | 8 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 8 Feb 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/5aeb7970-7064-4d19-bd30-b3eb00c56d44/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The Coalition reunites for a second time, Labor won't own their economic mismanagement. Plus, Israel President Isaac Herzog arrives tomorrow. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the skying new setter. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you James go I mate. Welcome to our brand
[0:08] Speaker 1: new week of Paul Murray Live and some big breaking
[0:10] Speaker 1: news this Sunday night.
[0:12] Speaker 2: The coalition is back together, but.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Who will be leading both or either of the parties
[0:17] Speaker 1: by the end of this parliamentary week. We'll all find out.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Together Tomorrow at Court will decide whether or not protests
[0:24] Speaker 1: will be allowed to take place as the Israeli President
[0:28] Speaker 1: rolls into Australia. Either way, the protests will take place
[0:32] Speaker 1: because that's what they always do. And a reminder, not
[0:35] Speaker 1: next Sunday, but the Sunday after last one of the month.
[0:37] Speaker 1: We're going to be in Bernie in Tasmania if you'd
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[1:01] Speaker 1: It'sknews dot com Dot you Bernie in tazzy Sunday, the
[1:04] Speaker 1: twenty second of February.
[1:06] Speaker 2: But first breaking news.
[1:07] Speaker 1: The Australian Newspaper has just released what could be a
[1:10] Speaker 1: devastating news poll for the leadership of Susan Lee. It
[1:14] Speaker 1: shows the Collective Coalition in its worst position ever, with
[1:19] Speaker 1: a primary vote of just eighteen percent. Now this has
[1:22] Speaker 1: also been split where it is sixteen percent for the
[1:24] Speaker 1: Liberals two percent for the Nationals. But One Nation continues
[1:28] Speaker 1: its climb, now above a quarter and on its way
[1:33] Speaker 1: towards a third of all voters. As you can see,
[1:37] Speaker 1: labor has gone up since the last survey was taken
[1:40] Speaker 1: two weeks ago. One Nation has been the beneficiary by
[1:43] Speaker 1: five points, up now to twenty seven percent.
[1:47] Speaker 2: This is in and around the numbers which we have seen.
[1:51] Speaker 1: In both the Resolve Poll, the Essential Poll, also the
[1:55] Speaker 1: publicly released Redbridge Pole. The most important pole of all,
[2:00] Speaker 1: of course, is the Sky News Pulse that came out
[2:02] Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Again numbers pretty similar. That is being tabulated.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Tomorrow we will have the Sky News Pulse for you,
[2:10] Speaker 1: which will probably show the same thing, which is unsurprisingly
[2:13] Speaker 1: after the disgrace that has been the breakup, and how
[2:17] Speaker 1: long the breakup was, and for seemingly how little an
[2:20] Speaker 1: issue that has all been.
[2:21] Speaker 3: Well.
[2:21] Speaker 1: Of course, the main beneficiary has been Pauline Hanson, not
[2:24] Speaker 1: to mention as the movie, the super progressive movie has
[2:27] Speaker 1: been making its way around the country. The controversy in
[2:30] Speaker 1: and around the song connected to all of that, you
[2:32] Speaker 1: pick it. There's a whole bunch of reasons why Pauline
[2:35] Speaker 1: Hanson's One Nation is surging. Of course, Cory Benardi jumping
[2:39] Speaker 1: on board helping with the momentum at least yes in
[2:42] Speaker 1: state politics at South Australia, but seemingly every day is
[2:45] Speaker 1: a positive one news wise for One Nation. Tonight, i'll
[2:49] Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how some of the establishment
[2:51] Speaker 1: figures are going to start to line up to try
[2:53] Speaker 1: to pull those numbers down under the assumption that if
[2:57] Speaker 1: you're a One Nation voter, you're never going to go
[2:58] Speaker 1: back to the Libs, which means somehow you'll go back
[3:00] Speaker 1: to the Labor Party. It's strange logic, but we'll get
[3:04] Speaker 1: to all of that very shortly. Also worth noting here
[3:06] Speaker 1: to remember when at the last federal election it was
[3:11] Speaker 1: One Nation that had six percent of the vote, the
[3:14] Speaker 1: Greens now at twelve percent, where they would have been
[3:16] Speaker 1: double well. Now, of course multiples of that more than
[3:20] Speaker 1: doubling of the Green's vote for one nation is an
[3:23] Speaker 1: extraordinary result, given that the Labor Party only needs the
[3:28] Speaker 1: Greens and its numbers in the Senate to be able
[3:30] Speaker 1: to pass any piece of legislation. Presumably a Liberal party
[3:36] Speaker 1: would be able to do the same when it comes
[3:38] Speaker 1: to one nation if they again are able to get
[3:40] Speaker 1: a senator out of most states, which all of this
[3:42] Speaker 1: polling would suggest.
[3:43] Speaker 2: Would be what happens.
[3:45] Speaker 1: But of course those have to come off the Labor
[3:47] Speaker 1: Party or the Greens, They have to come off a
[3:50] Speaker 1: Jackie Lamby. The reality is, if there's just a giant
[3:54] Speaker 1: a seat swamp on the center right of Australian politics,
[3:57] Speaker 1: then Labor is still in a commanding position tonight. It's
[4:01] Speaker 1: interesting to note that there is no two party preferred now.
[4:04] Speaker 1: The previous federal election, it was fifty five to forty
[4:07] Speaker 1: five that started to blow out to fifty seven forty
[4:10] Speaker 1: three towards the end of last year. It came back
[4:13] Speaker 1: to fifty five forty five after the events and the
[4:17] Speaker 1: Prime Minister's handling in and around Bondi. But the reason
[4:20] Speaker 1: tonight we don't have a two party preferred is because
[4:24] Speaker 1: the preference behavior of one nation is not as reliable
[4:28] Speaker 1: as the Greens. So I think it's about eight out
[4:31] Speaker 1: of ten. Greens always end up preferencing the Labor Party.
[4:34] Speaker 1: The number is lower when it comes to one nation,
[4:37] Speaker 1: and that was when it was just six percent of
[4:38] Speaker 1: the vote. What preferences would happen once you start to
[4:41] Speaker 1: get past ten, fifteen or twenty percent in part is
[4:44] Speaker 1: apparently the reason why there is no reporting on that.
[4:48] Speaker 1: But to the Susan Lee of it all, there is
[4:51] Speaker 1: another week before Parliament takes another break before it comes
[4:54] Speaker 1: back in the lead up to the Federal budget, and
[4:57] Speaker 1: the question is whether Susan Lee will still be the
[4:59] Speaker 1: leader of the position by this time next week. Now
[5:02] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party is in its worst polling position it
[5:04] Speaker 1: has ever been, and Susan Lee in terms of preferred
[5:07] Speaker 1: Prime Minister is now as unpopular as Simon Crean was
[5:13] Speaker 1: the best part of twenty twenty five years ago, when
[5:17] Speaker 1: John Howard was at his absolute best. You can see
[5:21] Speaker 1: there that the difference being that the Prime Minister there
[5:25] Speaker 1: not quite at fifty percent but at forty nine percent,
[5:29] Speaker 1: Susan Lee is at thirty percent.
[5:32] Speaker 2: Now those thirty percent are very loyal, very very loyal.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Now I'll speak at a second about Susan Lee's leadership, but
[5:39] Speaker 1: for those that are thinking about moving, they will use
[5:42] Speaker 1: today's opinion polls to say, well, as a team, we've
[5:44] Speaker 1: never been lower, and as a leader, they have never been.
[5:47] Speaker 2: In a worse position.
[5:48] Speaker 1: But there are a couple of X factors. In fact,
[5:50] Speaker 1: let's get to them right now. Well, as you know today,
[5:54] Speaker 1: Susan Lee and David Little proud, they made their changes
[5:57] Speaker 1: and have come to some sort of a compromise and they.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Will be back together.
[6:02] Speaker 1: Not fully back together, but they are back together as
[6:05] Speaker 1: of this afternoon. The Liberal and National Party now collectively
[6:09] Speaker 1: they are sitting at well still above half, but not
[6:13] Speaker 1: that high above half compared to one nation. If the
[6:16] Speaker 1: expectation is that somehow magically things are going to turn around,
[6:19] Speaker 1: well just a reunification isn't going to have that happen. Obviously,
[6:23] Speaker 1: you need everyone who's been pulling in undred different directions
[6:26] Speaker 1: to start pulling in one, even if it is behind
[6:28] Speaker 1: a lead that they're not that thrilled with. Now I
[6:31] Speaker 1: say that because that is the reality. But of course
[6:37] Speaker 1: we know that it was the National Party who were
[6:40] Speaker 1: able to largely with the right flank of the Liberal Party,
[6:43] Speaker 1: spend many many months post election talking about NED zero.
[6:47] Speaker 1: They landed on a position that supposedly was the ultimate
[6:50] Speaker 1: and important one to be able to take on the
[6:53] Speaker 1: government which has only got stronger since the last election,
[6:57] Speaker 1: And an actual fact deep inside the analysis of the
[7:00] Speaker 1: use Pole, if there was an election held this weekend,
[7:01] Speaker 1: Labor would increase its majority because of those one nation preferences.
[7:06] Speaker 1: So a lot of people are going to say it's
[7:08] Speaker 1: all about Susan Lee.
[7:09] Speaker 2: We'll hang on.
[7:09] Speaker 1: What about the policy positions here that supposedly were the
[7:13] Speaker 1: beginning of the reset. Is everyone going to start arguing
[7:16] Speaker 1: for those, Is everyone going to start fighting for those
[7:19] Speaker 1: or are they kind of try to pretend that either
[7:22] Speaker 1: the failure to move and that is the reality, the
[7:25] Speaker 1: failure to move the polls as a result of every
[7:29] Speaker 1: policy and strategic decision which has been made since the
[7:31] Speaker 1: election comes down to the decisions being made or whether
[7:35] Speaker 1: they're going to try to blame it on the person
[7:37] Speaker 1: who's made the decisions. For their points, Susan Lee and
[7:40] Speaker 1: David little proud. Well they're trying to tell us everything's okay.
[7:43] Speaker 1: What is under the bridge? Mom and dad have got
[7:45] Speaker 1: a bright future together.
[7:48] Speaker 4: I think that says to these shame people, you've got
[7:50] Speaker 4: a coalition that cares that we are better together, that.
[7:53] Speaker 2: We are two parties.
[7:54] Speaker 4: The coalition isn't one party, but we're two parties and
[7:56] Speaker 4: we've been able to work together.
[7:59] Speaker 1: A person who is paid to pay attention to this,
[8:02] Speaker 1: I've got to say at times I've just z owned
[8:04] Speaker 1: out trying to work out what is the actual problem
[8:06] Speaker 1: here now Again, if you want to take it from
[8:08] Speaker 1: the National Party perspective, it was they were forced to
[8:11] Speaker 1: vote for a piece of legislation that they didn't like
[8:13] Speaker 1: when it came to the hate speech legislation and the
[8:16] Speaker 1: gun laws. From the Liberal Party perspective on all of this,
[8:20] Speaker 1: or at least Susan Lee's perspective, was, well, if shadow
[8:23] Speaker 1: Cabinet makes a decision, and we were making decisions in
[8:25] Speaker 1: real time about what we could or couldn't shave off
[8:27] Speaker 1: the edges of that bill, well, once we make a decision,
[8:30] Speaker 1: and if any member of that room, the Shadow Cabinet
[8:33] Speaker 1: votes against it, well then bang, you booted out. Of
[8:35] Speaker 1: the shadow cabinet quite correctly. It has been pointed out
[8:38] Speaker 1: that the party room decisions of the National Party actually
[8:44] Speaker 1: supersede that of the broader shadow Cabinet. Well, all of that,
[8:49] Speaker 1: in part is what is being dealt with, and apparently
[8:52] Speaker 1: they're fixed in the part of this conversation now. The
[8:55] Speaker 1: people who voted against that, of course, being among others,
[8:58] Speaker 1: Bridget McKenzie and Ross Cadell. They along with every other
[9:03] Speaker 1: National will not be able to return to the shadow
[9:05] Speaker 1: cabinet until March. This is an extension, meaning they sit
[9:10] Speaker 1: on the back bench again this week in Parliament, but
[9:13] Speaker 1: then their back of shadow ministers.
[9:15] Speaker 2: Quickly after that.
[9:16] Speaker 1: A decision has also been made now that the shadow
[9:19] Speaker 1: cabinet is above the individual party room. So if a
[9:24] Speaker 1: majority of Nats say we want to go this way,
[9:26] Speaker 1: but a majority of shadow cabinet says they want to
[9:28] Speaker 1: go that way, the Gnats that are in shadow cabinet
[9:31] Speaker 1: have to go with everyone else in the shadow cabinet.
[9:35] Speaker 1: The only way they can be overruled is if a
[9:37] Speaker 1: majority of the joint party room I eat all of
[9:41] Speaker 1: the Libs, all of the Gnats, all of the opposition
[9:43] Speaker 1: lower house Upper House all in one room decide that
[9:46] Speaker 1: the position taken by the shadow cabinet is the one
[9:49] Speaker 1: they don't agree with. Now, generally speaking, if your shadow
[9:52] Speaker 1: cabinet is going to be rolled by, for one of
[9:55] Speaker 1: a better term, the back bench, well then there are
[9:56] Speaker 1: serious problems that come into the leadership. But of course
[10:01] Speaker 1: all of this feeds into a general sense about serious
[10:05] Speaker 1: issues in and around the leadership. Now here's the deal. Now,
[10:09] Speaker 1: Susan Lee has at times been her strongest supporter and
[10:18] Speaker 1: at times tactically her own worst enemy. Now that's on
[10:22] Speaker 1: me each way, elbowing, It's just me trying to explain that,
[10:26] Speaker 1: as I told you, from the moment she became the leader,
[10:29] Speaker 1: there was an opportunity for a reset. There was an
[10:31] Speaker 1: opportunity for a reintroduction. There was an opportunity for her
[10:36] Speaker 1: to be a new face on a party that had
[10:38] Speaker 1: been pretty aggressively rejected, not just at last year's election,
[10:42] Speaker 1: but of course back in twenty twenty two. The problem,
[10:47] Speaker 1: of course, is that there are many people inside the
[10:50] Speaker 1: Liberal Party who think that any lurch towards the right
[10:53] Speaker 1: is somehow furthering their problems. But of course, the number
[10:57] Speaker 1: of people who are paid up in proud members of
[10:59] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party who helped pick the politicians, or the
[11:02] Speaker 1: National Party who picked the politicians. Well, they want things
[11:06] Speaker 1: like net zero gone. So you have a scenario where yes,
[11:11] Speaker 1: some of the elected smarty pants seem to think a
[11:13] Speaker 1: little more than the people who.
[11:14] Speaker 2: Help get them elected.
[11:17] Speaker 1: But there's an unenviable task when you are trying to
[11:20] Speaker 1: herd the collective cats the left and the right of
[11:23] Speaker 1: your own party, let alone the want when it comes
[11:26] Speaker 1: to the National Party. Now, Susan Lee could have, and
[11:31] Speaker 1: in my view, would have been in all rights if
[11:33] Speaker 1: she wanted to to say all right, that's it, you're gone.
[11:36] Speaker 1: Those who decided to vote against shadow cabinet. She could
[11:39] Speaker 1: have then closed the door behind the Nazis, including.
[11:42] Speaker 2: When they made the decision.
[11:44] Speaker 1: And there was that face of the bloke who had
[11:46] Speaker 1: no chance of rolling the leader. But that, of course
[11:48] Speaker 1: was used by some to say there was no need
[11:51] Speaker 1: for negotiation, or about a week of negotiation just disappeared
[11:55] Speaker 1: because behind closed doors over little Proud was supposedly propping
[11:58] Speaker 1: up his job. Well, that was a pretty easy task,
[12:01] Speaker 1: so he should have been able to chew gum and
[12:03] Speaker 1: walk at the same time. Now, what ended up happening
[12:07] Speaker 1: here was that Susan Lee who could have announced because
[12:11] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party had more MPs than National MPs, she
[12:15] Speaker 1: could have announced her own version of the opposition exclusively
[12:18] Speaker 1: about the Liberal Party. She could have been able to
[12:20] Speaker 1: shore up some of her leadership by some of the
[12:22] Speaker 1: people who free will behind her back on television or
[12:25] Speaker 1: certainly in an anonymous sense, often the same people. Well,
[12:29] Speaker 1: she'd be able to pull them into the tent and
[12:30] Speaker 1: get a little bit of disciplined solidarity instead. No, she
[12:33] Speaker 1: didn't want the coalition to remain any more broken than
[12:37] Speaker 1: the National Party was willing for it to be. Remember,
[12:40] Speaker 1: it was the National Party who made the decision one out,
[12:43] Speaker 1: all out. It was the National Party who made the decision.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Unless it is one in, it's all out. It's the
[12:49] Speaker 1: National Party who made the decision to drag this out
[12:51] Speaker 1: for the best part of seventeen days. So a tick
[12:55] Speaker 1: for Susan Lee has to be when it would have
[12:58] Speaker 1: been very easy for her to have slammed the or
[13:00] Speaker 1: to a blown up, to have tried to draw a
[13:02] Speaker 1: line under a situation in order to bolster herself up
[13:05] Speaker 1: as a leader. She could will have done that. It
[13:08] Speaker 1: may well have played a little better with the gallery types.
[13:10] Speaker 1: But of course the gallery types are not the people
[13:13] Speaker 1: who are the supporters of the coalition. So she little
[13:16] Speaker 1: damned if she doesn't. Damned if she doesn't. But this
[13:18] Speaker 1: is what she said about the negotiating style, about the
[13:21] Speaker 1: fact that it took seventeen days, and clearly about her
[13:24] Speaker 1: having a personality that is able to get through some
[13:28] Speaker 1: of the nasty stuff that has been said about her,
[13:30] Speaker 1: not just anonymous leader journalists, but on camera.
[13:34] Speaker 5: I want to recognize and thank all of our colleagues,
[13:37] Speaker 5: grassroots party members and party officials who have worked with
[13:42] Speaker 5: us to restore the coalition arrangements, and we've put together
[13:47] Speaker 5: a clear framework that strengthens the way we work going forward.
[13:53] Speaker 1: Part of the problem for the Liberal Party about where
[13:56] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party is right now is that with the
[13:58] Speaker 1: numbers the way that they are, the number of big
[14:03] Speaker 1: personalities is not really being watered down by a whole
[14:07] Speaker 1: bunch of other people that are willing to toe the
[14:09] Speaker 1: line further up and down the back bench. It means
[14:14] Speaker 1: that when you've only got the numbers that they've got,
[14:19] Speaker 1: that things become well, very fluid, in the same way
[14:23] Speaker 1: that if you say, had one hundred people in a
[14:24] Speaker 1: room and you needed to convince fifty one of them. Well,
[14:28] Speaker 1: of course, if one person changes their mind it has
[14:32] Speaker 1: an impact, but it's not as dramatic as if you've
[14:34] Speaker 1: only got forty or thirty people in the room and
[14:37] Speaker 1: you've got to convince fifteen or twenty of them. The
[14:41] Speaker 1: smaller the number of MPs and Senators, the bigger the
[14:45] Speaker 1: drama goes for if one of them decides to change
[14:47] Speaker 1: their mind. Now we know that if the leadership vote
[14:53] Speaker 1: that was held after the last election was held again
[14:57] Speaker 1: with the number of people that are in the Parliament today,
[15:01] Speaker 1: it would have been Angus Taylor that was the leader
[15:03] Speaker 1: because three important votes that god Susan Lee to the
[15:06] Speaker 1: leadership are two from people who are no longer in
[15:09] Speaker 1: the Parliament, being Linda Reynolds or Holly Hughes. And then remember,
[15:13] Speaker 1: because there was a hope of wing in a prayer
[15:16] Speaker 1: that Giselle Captirian was going to win the seat of
[15:18] Speaker 1: Bradfield for the Liberals while she'd be able to help
[15:21] Speaker 1: come down to Camber and pick the leader. So those
[15:23] Speaker 1: three votes are gone. So the assumption is that at
[15:28] Speaker 1: least a very close to or perhaps a majority of
[15:31] Speaker 1: people were willing to change from Susan Lee. But of
[15:35] Speaker 1: course the problem for those who want to change from
[15:38] Speaker 1: Susan Lee they have always failed to answer the question
[15:41] Speaker 1: of well, what changes?
[15:43] Speaker 2: What's different now in Australia?
[15:46] Speaker 1: The reality post the election, And it ain't fun for
[15:49] Speaker 1: me to say, but it is just the truth. The
[15:52] Speaker 1: scoreboard is fifty five forty five, the result of which,
[15:55] Speaker 1: thanks to preferences, ends up with the Labour Party.
[15:57] Speaker 2: Having more than ninety seats.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Does anyone think that Peter Dutton was moving too far
[16:03] Speaker 1: to the left?
[16:04] Speaker 2: I don't think so.
[16:05] Speaker 1: Were there lots of problems in the way that they
[16:08] Speaker 1: ran that election bloody oath, but there are many complicated
[16:13] Speaker 1: things to be dealt with here before an obvious solution
[16:16] Speaker 1: takes place. My view is the joy of a three
[16:20] Speaker 1: year term is that what is the urgency?
[16:23] Speaker 2: Oh?
[16:23] Speaker 1: The numbers this week determine what we'll do on Thursday? Well,
[16:27] Speaker 1: why not wait till a budget in reply? Why not
[16:32] Speaker 1: stabilize all of the changes for again another six months,
[16:37] Speaker 1: where the numbers may will be exactly the same in
[16:39] Speaker 1: six months time. They could be worse, they could be better, But.
[16:43] Speaker 2: That's the point. No one knows.
[16:48] Speaker 1: What are the main policy ideas about why the party
[16:52] Speaker 1: should go in this direction or that direction. And here's
[16:54] Speaker 1: the absolute truth. I'm not sure that many people who've
[16:57] Speaker 1: decided to tune out of the Libs and go to
[17:00] Speaker 1: one nation are interested in ever coming back to the
[17:02] Speaker 1: Libs until, ironically they're going to be close enough to
[17:05] Speaker 1: getting to government. So it's a horrible predicament. It's not
[17:08] Speaker 1: one that you'd wish on your worst enemy, let alone
[17:12] Speaker 1: people who five million of us voted to make the
[17:17] Speaker 1: government last year. For his part, Tim Wilson, who Yes,
[17:21] Speaker 1: says one day I'd like to be leader. Well, he
[17:23] Speaker 1: is behind Susan Lee, but of course he is. They
[17:25] Speaker 1: are of similar ilk in the party.
[17:29] Speaker 6: Susan's the leader.
[17:30] Speaker 4: I'm supporting Susan and that should be our focus. You know,
[17:34] Speaker 4: I'm not going to speculate on different colleagues and all
[17:36] Speaker 4: of these different games that are going on. The key
[17:40] Speaker 4: thing is to make sure that we're united behind the leader,
[17:44] Speaker 4: behind a policy program that will then advance the interests
[17:47] Speaker 4: of Australians. That's what they want us to do, and
[17:51] Speaker 4: that's what they want us to be talking about.
[17:54] Speaker 2: As an observer of all of this. For as long
[17:56] Speaker 2: as we've been together.
[17:58] Speaker 1: The thing that frustrates me here is that what's great
[18:01] Speaker 1: on paper for the Liberal Party is that everyone's able
[18:03] Speaker 1: to go in whatever direction they want. Then they don't
[18:05] Speaker 1: have the big whip on them like the Labor Party does.
[18:08] Speaker 1: So therefore, the middle, the left or the right, there's
[18:12] Speaker 1: always about a third that are somewhat left out of
[18:15] Speaker 1: the power base or the leadership of the party. Whichever
[18:19] Speaker 1: third that is, of course, because they're able to freely
[18:21] Speaker 1: express themselves, can often cross the floor, can often publicly
[18:25] Speaker 1: suggest that the party is in the wrong place. So
[18:29] Speaker 1: I don't know whether part of the answer here is
[18:31] Speaker 1: some sort of caucus discipline, some sort of ability that
[18:34] Speaker 1: it really has to be bad for people to start
[18:36] Speaker 1: free wheeling, but free advice to anyone. If currently it
[18:40] Speaker 1: is the two thirds that are the middle and the
[18:43] Speaker 1: left of the party that are in charge, or in
[18:46] Speaker 1: a week's time it's the middle and the right, remember
[18:48] Speaker 1: the other third. Because the other third is always able
[18:51] Speaker 1: to freely say whatever it wants when there are so
[18:54] Speaker 1: few people in the room, they have to commit to
[18:57] Speaker 1: a better sense of discipline, one where yes, you are
[19:01] Speaker 1: not the Labor Party, where you have to have the
[19:02] Speaker 1: scenario where things like Penny Wong has to turn around
[19:06] Speaker 1: and pretend she's against same sex marriage when we all
[19:08] Speaker 1: know she wasn't.
[19:09] Speaker 2: That's, of course ludicrous, But equally ludicrous is that.
[19:12] Speaker 1: When you're in the fight of your life and everyone's
[19:15] Speaker 1: rowing in a different direction, well, how can you at
[19:18] Speaker 1: all be assumed to get into the fight. So at
[19:20] Speaker 1: the start of the week it is the center and
[19:23] Speaker 1: the left that are the majority of the party.
[19:27] Speaker 2: By the end of the week it may well end
[19:29] Speaker 2: up being the center and the right.
[19:32] Speaker 1: But whatever it happens, by the end of the week,
[19:34] Speaker 1: everyone has to realize that the enemy is not from within,
[19:38] Speaker 1: because you will become yesterday's news faster than you can
[19:43] Speaker 1: become tomorrow's plan for a recovery. Again, I don't like
[19:47] Speaker 1: saying that because I was one of the five million
[19:50] Speaker 1: people who definitely did not want the current government to
[19:52] Speaker 1: be re elected. And the current government is a bad government.
[19:55] Speaker 1: It's a bad government that gets away with being able
[19:58] Speaker 1: to make life harder for a sus Australians. Last week, a
[20:02] Speaker 1: third of the country life got harder. Why because of
[20:05] Speaker 1: interest rates. The bloke who should have been held responsible, well,
[20:08] Speaker 1: he's allowed to get away with distractions like this.
[20:12] Speaker 7: For sure, the Australian people that even with the disintegration
[20:15] Speaker 7: of the coalition, even with their kind of unanifying attempts
[20:20] Speaker 7: to just try and be a parlor shade of orange,
[20:24] Speaker 7: the government's very focused on the cost of living, on housing,
[20:27] Speaker 7: on our economic challenges, and we won't be distracted by
[20:30] Speaker 7: the binfire well.
[20:31] Speaker 1: As opposed to the redishade of green. But again about
[20:34] Speaker 1: the treasurer. Now we are caught in this boring, repetitive
[20:39] Speaker 1: cycle happens every year under every government, which is what
[20:42] Speaker 1: feels like months, but it's probably only a few weeks.
[20:46] Speaker 2: And will you rule it in? Will you rule it out?
[20:48] Speaker 2: About a budget?
[20:50] Speaker 1: And all sorts of things are told to us that
[20:52] Speaker 1: if they do this one thing, everything will be saved.
[20:54] Speaker 1: If they make this one decision, the sky will fall in.
[20:58] Speaker 1: But the reality of Australian politics is that regardless of
[21:03] Speaker 1: who ends up in power, the government always finds a
[21:06] Speaker 1: way to try to hand out more money. Now, this
[21:11] Speaker 1: government has spent more money than any government in the
[21:13] Speaker 1: history of ever in Australia, and they want to pretend
[21:17] Speaker 1: that that does not have any sort of a stimulatory
[21:19] Speaker 1: effect on the economy and thus means inflation starts to
[21:22] Speaker 1: go up and Reserve Bank needs to get involved and
[21:25] Speaker 1: pull the handbrake.
[21:28] Speaker 8: You said government spending was not a factor in the decision,
[21:31] Speaker 8: was it a factor?
[21:33] Speaker 7: Well, David, our political opponents and their acolytes are deliberately
[21:37] Speaker 7: and dishonestly trying to conflate two different things.
[21:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you love that.
[21:43] Speaker 1: As one of the acolytes being suggested there, he thinks
[21:48] Speaker 1: we're too dumb to notice what they're doing. And anyone
[21:51] Speaker 1: who has come to a position that is critical of
[21:54] Speaker 1: a government that is going to be running ten budget
[21:57] Speaker 1: deficits ahead of forty budget deficits according to his own
[22:04] Speaker 1: treasury and the Intergenerational Report of a couple of years ago,
[22:07] Speaker 1: that we are the ones who are trying to miskew
[22:11] Speaker 1: the problem. Well, of course, what he is also ignoring
[22:15] Speaker 1: is that the very person who sits at the table
[22:17] Speaker 1: that makes the very decision about whether the interest rates
[22:19] Speaker 1: go up or not, well, it kind of matters what
[22:22] Speaker 1: her opinion is now because she's independent. Yet, of course
[22:26] Speaker 1: the government decides who's on the Reserve Bank. They can
[22:29] Speaker 1: help change or finesse or rig depending on your language.
[22:33] Speaker 1: The rules of how the Reserve Bank works. They never
[22:35] Speaker 1: really want to get out of step with the government,
[22:37] Speaker 1: so they say that government spending is part.
[22:39] Speaker 2: Of the story, but it's not the whole story.
[22:41] Speaker 1: But then sometimes they have to get into a scenario
[22:43] Speaker 1: that's not a press conference, when you're giving evidence before
[22:47] Speaker 1: a parliamentary committee, where you kind of have to swear
[22:50] Speaker 1: to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing other truth,
[22:52] Speaker 1: a little bit like you're in court. So Reserve Bank
[22:55] Speaker 1: governor about government spending.
[22:57] Speaker 3: Plays mathematically, You're right, public demand, expenditure and private sector,
[23:05] Speaker 3: all of that adds to demand. That's logical, is mathematical,
[23:09] Speaker 3: that's what happens.
[23:12] Speaker 1: But of course, dare point out any problems with this government,
[23:16] Speaker 1: don't you? Just like they've got all the different ways right.
[23:19] Speaker 1: If you criticize them, it's because you've part of the
[23:20] Speaker 1: far right, the extreme right, or they just come out
[23:24] Speaker 1: and call you dumb. And that's pretty much what, of
[23:27] Speaker 1: course the Treasure is doing. And because of the problems
[23:29] Speaker 1: that I sadly spend too much I'm talking about and
[23:31] Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about them, because the target
[23:34] Speaker 1: in terms of about a country is doing any and
[23:38] Speaker 1: everything that you can to point out the failures of
[23:41] Speaker 1: this government in order to change this government. But alas
[23:45] Speaker 1: if an opinion, if an election was held this weekend,
[23:48] Speaker 1: they'd get even more seats than the ninety plus that
[23:50] Speaker 1: they got at the last election.
[23:52] Speaker 2: Can you believe it? Unbelieve?
[23:55] Speaker 1: The Israeli President will arrive in Australia tomorrow and there
[23:59] Speaker 1: is a lot of drama and security that comes in
[24:01] Speaker 1: and around Isaac Hertzog and his arrival. He is here
[24:05] Speaker 1: upon the invitation of the Prime Minister. He will play
[24:08] Speaker 1: a significant role tomorrow a meeting with many of the
[24:12] Speaker 1: families of those who were most broken by the events
[24:15] Speaker 1: in Bondi.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Well, of course, he is.
[24:20] Speaker 1: The constitutional head of state of Israel, and Israel's response
[24:26] Speaker 1: to October seventh has been one that has led to
[24:29] Speaker 1: major destruction and many, many thousands of people that have
[24:34] Speaker 1: died in Gaza. Now, what is really important to note
[24:38] Speaker 1: here is that and I was just looking at the
[24:40] Speaker 1: structure of things. The President of Israel is not in
[24:43] Speaker 1: charge of the IDF, does not tell them where to go.
[24:46] Speaker 1: It is ceremonial role. In terms of the army. It
[24:51] Speaker 1: is the Prime Minister and the government who have a
[24:53] Speaker 1: more direct relationship with telling the army in which direction
[24:56] Speaker 1: to go and how hard to hit. But the reality
[24:59] Speaker 1: is is that because this is the president of Israel,
[25:03] Speaker 1: this is the opportunity for those that have often taken
[25:06] Speaker 1: to the streets to do so again, and they plan
[25:09] Speaker 1: to do so tomorrow in massive numbers and many days
[25:14] Speaker 1: across the week. And they're even willing to go to
[25:16] Speaker 1: court to challenge laws which are telling them to stay
[25:18] Speaker 1: out of the CBD or go anywhere near the traditionally
[25:21] Speaker 1: Jewish communities of the eastern suburbs of Sydney.
[25:25] Speaker 9: Isaac Hertzeg who of course has been found to have
[25:29] Speaker 9: incited genocide in Ghaza. This kind of powers are meant
[25:34] Speaker 9: to be used for things like sporting and cultural events,
[25:36] Speaker 9: certainly not for a political tour by a foreign head
[25:39] Speaker 9: of state who is accused of genocide.
[25:43] Speaker 1: Now we'll watch all of that tomorrow. Look, it is
[25:45] Speaker 1: before the courts. The guests would be that, as we've
[25:49] Speaker 1: seen in the past, no matter what the laws are,
[25:51] Speaker 1: somehow the courts end up finding a way for the
[25:53] Speaker 1: process to take place, one of the ways to get
[25:56] Speaker 1: around it, Unlike what took place, say with things like
[25:58] Speaker 1: the Harbour Bridge. There's already in and around important buildings
[26:02] Speaker 1: in Sydney, meaning physically they won't be able to get
[26:04] Speaker 1: anywhere close to where the president is.
[26:06] Speaker 2: But watch this space.
[26:08] Speaker 1: But that said, something also really important to note spopped
[26:11] Speaker 1: up in the past couple of days and it is
[26:13] Speaker 1: to do with the graves of Australian soldiers at an
[26:19] Speaker 1: international wargrave that is in Gaza. Now this war, these
[26:27] Speaker 1: war graves have been disturbed at best or have been
[26:33] Speaker 1: desecrated as part of what has been taking place when
[26:36] Speaker 1: it comes to the war. The Guardian is the one
[26:39] Speaker 1: who's been running on this story here and they have
[26:43] Speaker 1: focused in on a family member of one of those
[26:46] Speaker 1: whose grave is one of those potentially in question with
[26:50] Speaker 1: this war grave in Gaza. In the quite of her
[26:53] Speaker 1: living room, tears welling in her eyes, Wilma shares the
[26:57] Speaker 1: inscription that was carved into the now ruined tombstone of
[27:00] Speaker 1: her father, Albert kemp An Anzac, buried at the Gaza
[27:04] Speaker 1: War Cemetery.
[27:06] Speaker 2: This is a picture of her father, by the way.
[27:10] Speaker 1: Now the IDEF have responded to all of this, saying
[27:12] Speaker 1: that the military destroyed the graves to deal with underground
[27:17] Speaker 1: terrorist infrastructure identify within the cemetery and its surrounding area,
[27:22] Speaker 1: a claim that's been met with skepticism by some of
[27:25] Speaker 1: the families of the anzac Dad.
[27:27] Speaker 2: That is what was written by The Guardian.
[27:28] Speaker 1: That also goes on to say that Wilma and her
[27:30] Speaker 1: family now have no idea where Albert and his remains
[27:33] Speaker 1: are now. Interestingly, the City Morning Herald, picking up within
[27:37] Speaker 1: twenty four hours of this story, have said that Australia
[27:41] Speaker 1: is going to fix this war grave. Australia is going
[27:46] Speaker 1: to make sure that where Albert has been for a
[27:50] Speaker 1: long time, he and others will their remains will remain intact.
[27:54] Speaker 1: A Department of Veterans Affair spokesman said there's been a
[27:57] Speaker 1: significant damage to the cemetery in which includes the graves
[28:00] Speaker 1: of Australians. The Office of Australian Wargraves is very concerned
[28:04] Speaker 1: by the damage to the symmetry and Australian War graves.
[28:09] Speaker 1: They'll remain committed to ensuring the restoration of all affected
[28:12] Speaker 1: graves as soon as feasible. They said that the Commonwealth
[28:15] Speaker 1: War Graves Commission planned to secure and repair the symmetry
[28:18] Speaker 1: as soon as it was safe to do so. However,
[28:20] Speaker 1: it expected that full reconstruction would take some time, as
[28:24] Speaker 1: the immediate post conflict priority would be directed to humanitarian efforts.
[28:28] Speaker 1: So one of those ones where stories beneath stories beneath
[28:31] Speaker 1: stories to the side of stories, but all of them
[28:33] Speaker 1: worth knowing this evening all right, Ken you know what
[28:35] Speaker 1: you think at any time, send me an email, Paul.
[28:37] Speaker 1: It'sgynews dot com dot an if you can make it
[28:39] Speaker 1: to Bernie and Tazzy in a couple of Sunday's time
[28:41] Speaker 1: outdown it's Guynews dot com dot AU. But next, let's
[28:45] Speaker 1: get straight into it. Let's start debating the day, including
[28:48] Speaker 1: the latest polls yet again very good for One Nation
[28:51] Speaker 1: and the former Tiffany TL who thinks all goodness me
[28:54] Speaker 1: wring the hands at One Nation's popularity that, according to
[28:57] Speaker 1: the news poll out tonight.
[28:59] Speaker 2: Is at an even new record high. More on a
[29:02] Speaker 2: sec here on Paul Murray.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Live Sunday Night. It's where it's all at. Thanks for watching,
[29:10] Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching. Let's get into a
[29:12] Speaker 1: conversation right now with a lady who I'm sure is
[29:14] Speaker 1: very happy to as always have the last name Hansen,
[29:16] Speaker 1: but also have a job inside the machine that is
[29:19] Speaker 1: One Nation because yet to get a new high when
[29:21] Speaker 1: it comes to newspol first time to say gooday to
[29:23] Speaker 1: you this year. I love, love you to see you,
[29:24] Speaker 1: Lee Hanson, of course, so fingers crossed she'd get into
[29:27] Speaker 1: the Senate if there was an election anytime soon. We'll
[29:30] Speaker 1: find out well just how high they can go. Thank
[29:32] Speaker 1: you and thank you very much for joining us, mate. Also,
[29:35] Speaker 1: David Lindbrig is a libertarian. I think if you actually
[29:38] Speaker 1: took my blood you would be able to check that
[29:39] Speaker 1: I had a fairly large libertarian streak in there.
[29:41] Speaker 2: He of course, is going for reelection in the Victorian election.
[29:44] Speaker 2: Let's get into all of this all right, Laddin lady.
[29:47] Speaker 1: Latest opinion poll again tells the same story as multiples before.
[29:51] Speaker 1: But Lee, I know the answer is fifty one percent
[29:55] Speaker 1: because it's a majority of the country. But as an organization,
[29:58] Speaker 1: do you feel like you're starting to towards the ceiling
[30:01] Speaker 1: at the moment? Or is the expectation that if you
[30:03] Speaker 1: can make up five points in a news poll in
[30:07] Speaker 1: a two week period, that the chances of cracking deep
[30:10] Speaker 1: into the thirties and maybe even leapfrogging the Labor Party
[30:14] Speaker 1: for overall primary support. Does that feel like it's coming sooner?
[30:18] Speaker 1: Rather than later, or people need to understand. Look a
[30:20] Speaker 1: clear second, you'll take that two years out from an.
[30:23] Speaker 8: Election, Paul, we're going to break the ceiling. So we're
[30:31] Speaker 8: breaking records. The support and movement to one Nation has
[30:36] Speaker 8: been fantastic and there's many reasons as to why that's occurring,
[30:40] Speaker 8: but fundamentally it is because one nation is speaking for
[30:44] Speaker 8: the majority of Australians. We are talking about the real
[30:47] Speaker 8: issues everyday issues, immigration, cost of living, housing, there are
[30:52] Speaker 8: many components and we're not afraid to have the conversation.
[30:55] Speaker 8: So our target right now is to prove and to
[31:01] Speaker 8: demonstrate the incompetence of the Labor government. That is what
[31:04] Speaker 8: we are focusing on, is to ensure that we can
[31:07] Speaker 8: either gain opposition and ultimately break the ceiling and move
[31:12] Speaker 8: towards government. We are capable. We have the right leader.
[31:15] Speaker 8: People are seeing that and you're seeing that in the polls.
[31:18] Speaker 8: I think what Pauline, Senator Hanson was one of the
[31:23] Speaker 8: most favorably favorable female politician or leader in this nation
[31:28] Speaker 8: and people are resonating, so I only see the sky
[31:32] Speaker 8: or the ceiling increasing even further. So it's great news,
[31:35] Speaker 8: but at the same token, we cannot take our foot
[31:38] Speaker 8: off the pedal in any way, shape or form. We've
[31:40] Speaker 8: got a lot of work to do. We're not taking
[31:43] Speaker 8: it for granted and we'll keep charging on.
[31:47] Speaker 2: David again, you're watching this.
[31:48] Speaker 1: You have a strand to the center right of Australian
[31:52] Speaker 1: politics that you would like to be sitting when one
[31:54] Speaker 1: nation is certainly in terms of the numbers, but you're
[31:56] Speaker 1: able to consistently get people elected to the Victorian Newsip
[32:00] Speaker 1: welds Parliament be very competitive when it comes to some
[32:03] Speaker 1: of these senate races. Why do you think that there
[32:05] Speaker 1: is this mass movement? How sticky do you think it is?
[32:10] Speaker 1: How much of it is up for grabs, how much
[32:12] Speaker 1: magically changes? If Angus Taylor does what they say, he's
[32:16] Speaker 1: probably going to do what it's yours thoughts.
[32:20] Speaker 10: On this, Well, there's clearly a large group of people
[32:25] Speaker 10: that are upset with the major parties, especially the Liberal Party.
[32:29] Speaker 10: They see one nation, as you know, a very big character,
[32:33] Speaker 10: Senator Hanson, she's got a very large profile and they think, well,
[32:37] Speaker 10: you know, I'm going to support that because it's something different.
[32:40] Speaker 10: I think at a state level though, things are quite different.
[32:43] Speaker 10: You know, we've got an election coming up in November,
[32:46] Speaker 10: and I think that people are going to judge political
[32:49] Speaker 10: parties on their track record. And you know, both One
[32:52] Speaker 10: Nation and the Libertarian Party have a representation in the
[32:56] Speaker 10: Victorian Parliament. And I'm proud of many of the achievements
[32:59] Speaker 10: that we've done this term of parliament. You know, we've
[33:01] Speaker 10: gotten stamp duty inquiries, we put up private members bills
[33:04] Speaker 10: to remove nuclear prohibition. We've kept a serial killer in prison.
[33:08] Speaker 10: We've done you know, we've forced the government, kicking and
[33:10] Speaker 10: screaming to recognize the problems with gender medicine for children.
[33:16] Speaker 10: So I think that there's a lot of achievements that
[33:18] Speaker 10: we've done in Victorian Parliament and I hope that the
[33:20] Speaker 10: Victorian people see that and judge us on it.
[33:23] Speaker 2: David, like what you do.
[33:25] Speaker 1: There every opportunity to get in to make the sales pitch,
[33:27] Speaker 1: to go through the list. But I promise you this
[33:29] Speaker 1: made plenty of time on this show, mostly on a
[33:31] Speaker 1: Sunday night. We'll try and give you that time. So
[33:33] Speaker 1: there's plenty of time between now and November. But good
[33:36] Speaker 1: on you for pushing nice and hard. There also really
[33:39] Speaker 1: interesting to notice you too that obviously you know, depending
[33:42] Speaker 1: on the mats and depending on the state becoming the
[33:45] Speaker 1: beneficiary of one nation preferences, David is going to be
[33:48] Speaker 1: really interesting because now again one nation is very you know,
[33:52] Speaker 1: can do deals with the Liberal Party, Liberal Party of
[33:55] Speaker 1: time doing deals with one nation, but we have seen
[33:58] Speaker 1: that many of the on the right, not liberal parties,
[34:03] Speaker 1: all try to sort of chain it between themselves, hand
[34:06] Speaker 1: passed between themselves before it ends up with the lesser
[34:09] Speaker 1: of two evils. Obviously, the higher one nation goes, the
[34:13] Speaker 1: more potential not just crumbs, but slices of paper, slices
[34:18] Speaker 1: of bread that might actually fall off the kitchen table.
[34:20] Speaker 1: I was trying to do so well with that metaphor,
[34:22] Speaker 1: but I screwed it up.
[34:26] Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I mean, like preferences are something that flows
[34:29] Speaker 10: into everything, and you know I'm not in charge of
[34:31] Speaker 10: that in our party, but obviously we try and exchange,
[34:35] Speaker 10: you know, preferences. Ultimately, it's up to people, though, to
[34:38] Speaker 10: decide for themselves. And I think, as was pointed out earlier,
[34:42] Speaker 10: you know, both one nation and libertarian voters are quite
[34:45] Speaker 10: you know, they think for themselves, I think, and they
[34:48] Speaker 10: decide for themselves what they want to do if they
[34:51] Speaker 10: want to, you know, send their preference to a party
[34:53] Speaker 10: with some overlap, then they'll do that.
[34:56] Speaker 1: Lee, Can I do a question without notice? As they
[34:59] Speaker 1: like to say, I think in politics? But still, of
[35:02] Speaker 1: all of those things that have helped drive this revolution, right,
[35:07] Speaker 1: what are the types of things that one nation.
[35:11] Speaker 2: Either champions in values or more.
[35:14] Speaker 1: Importantly specifically through a specific policy that is something that
[35:17] Speaker 1: labor and Libs won't go anywhere near? I mean not
[35:20] Speaker 1: about immigration, but I'm thinking is it things like family court?
[35:24] Speaker 1: Is it things like income splitting? What are some of
[35:26] Speaker 1: the things that one nation has been able to once
[35:31] Speaker 1: people start to have a look put on the table
[35:35] Speaker 1: that others won't. And that, in part is what leads
[35:39] Speaker 1: to my view that once you make a change, this
[35:42] Speaker 1: is not about you know, what packet of chips you
[35:44] Speaker 1: get from the shops. This is about who you want
[35:46] Speaker 1: to run the country. So I reckon once you make
[35:48] Speaker 1: a change, you're not likely to go back your thoughts.
[35:53] Speaker 8: Look, Paul, there's a couple of components to that answer.
[35:57] Speaker 8: First of all, what is really fun mentally resonating is
[36:01] Speaker 8: that one nation provides hope, doesn't matter who you are
[36:05] Speaker 8: within the party, whether it's Senator Hanson, myself or any
[36:08] Speaker 8: of our candidates walk the streets or members of parliament,
[36:11] Speaker 8: people are saying, thank you, You're the only party or
[36:14] Speaker 8: the only politicians that are actually giving us hope where
[36:17] Speaker 8: we feel the prosperity and opportunities of our country can
[36:22] Speaker 8: come back. We can once again claim that in addition
[36:25] Speaker 8: to hope, it's patriotism. People see that we actually have
[36:29] Speaker 8: a political party that is standing up for this country,
[36:33] Speaker 8: that loves this country, and the decisions we are making
[36:36] Speaker 8: and the policies we put forward are for this country
[36:39] Speaker 8: first and foremost, and that is really important, that is
[36:42] Speaker 8: really critical. But then yes, you break it down into
[36:44] Speaker 8: policies and it's everyday common sense policies. And these are
[36:48] Speaker 8: policies that many people are familiar with because the other
[36:52] Speaker 8: parties actually claim them as their own. So yes, you
[36:54] Speaker 8: might talk about, you know, immigration, obviously one nation leads
[36:58] Speaker 8: the way. Yes we do. We're not afraid to have
[36:59] Speaker 8: that conversation and call and actually state the words mass immigration.
[37:03] Speaker 8: But it is family law, tax, family law. We've been
[37:07] Speaker 8: fighting that for a very long time. It's gender dysphoria
[37:12] Speaker 8: within children. You know, we're the only party that's really
[37:15] Speaker 8: standing the ground and trying to break this ridiculous harm
[37:18] Speaker 8: that is causing upon our children. It's the woke education
[37:22] Speaker 8: system and standing up for the education. It's the housing.
[37:26] Speaker 8: There are so many issues, but getting back down to
[37:29] Speaker 8: basic policy, so family income tax splitting, even alcohol tax,
[37:35] Speaker 8: do you know what I mean? Cut the alcohol tax
[37:37] Speaker 8: is actually one nation's policy. Scrap the fuel tax is
[37:40] Speaker 8: actually one nation's policies. But instead the other parties, because
[37:44] Speaker 8: they can't actually resonate or understand basic issues of everyday Australians,
[37:49] Speaker 8: they write off the coattails of one nation policies and
[37:52] Speaker 8: then claim them as their own. So when these parties
[37:55] Speaker 8: come out and say right wing you know, Pauline Hanson
[37:59] Speaker 8: or one nation has no policies is a load of rubbish,
[38:02] Speaker 8: then why do they keep claiming it as their own.
[38:05] Speaker 8: It's a deflection tactic, right because they don't have the answers,
[38:09] Speaker 8: so we'll claim one nation's answers as our own and
[38:12] Speaker 8: treat people like fools.
[38:14] Speaker 2: Now I'm with you, David.
[38:15] Speaker 1: Let's get to Victoria and again every now and then,
[38:17] Speaker 1: I want to put things on the table that aren't
[38:19] Speaker 1: that obvious or people have been thinking about all weekend.
[38:22] Speaker 1: Conversion therapy, something that's been banned in Victoria. Some legal
[38:27] Speaker 1: advice has come to the media's attention. Your thoughts on
[38:32] Speaker 1: how the Victorian government is implementing this law.
[38:38] Speaker 10: Yeah, so, back in twenty twenty one, the government put
[38:40] Speaker 10: it through this bill called the Change in Suppression Bill,
[38:43] Speaker 10: and the sales pitch around it was banning conversion therapy,
[38:46] Speaker 10: which no one actually supports, which is trying to make
[38:50] Speaker 10: people that are homosexual not homosexual. No one supports that,
[38:53] Speaker 10: including me. But the other thing that the bill did
[38:55] Speaker 10: is that force this what they call affirmation only approach
[38:59] Speaker 10: with people that are questioning, you know, with gender dysphoria.
[39:03] Speaker 10: And what it basically says is when you talk to
[39:05] Speaker 10: a therapist or someone in your religious group or something
[39:08] Speaker 10: like that. And someone said, you know, if you get
[39:10] Speaker 10: a girl that thinks that she's a boy and she
[39:12] Speaker 10: tells someone that no one's allowed to sort of talk
[39:15] Speaker 10: that out, they have to just accept it. And I
[39:18] Speaker 10: thought that this was a really dangerous thing. That's why
[39:20] Speaker 10: the Libertarians led the charge in opposing this. As time
[39:24] Speaker 10: has gone on, the government was meant to review this
[39:28] Speaker 10: law in twenty twenty four. They haven't done it. So
[39:31] Speaker 10: I've been like a dog with a bone pushing them,
[39:34] Speaker 10: and then finally, after media reporting last weekend, they've finally
[39:37] Speaker 10: agreed to go ahead with a review as of Monday.
[39:40] Speaker 1: Good Man, See, this is it, right, This is why
[39:43] Speaker 1: you need people who've got.
[39:45] Speaker 2: The time to be able to follow in on an issue. Right.
[39:48] Speaker 2: That is exactly why I like that David was there.
[39:50] Speaker 1: He was an absolute thought in their side in COVID,
[39:52] Speaker 1: and he's a thawing their side on issues like this
[39:54] Speaker 1: and a champion for good causes too.
[39:56] Speaker 2: See.
[39:56] Speaker 1: I like the Libertarians. I like the One Nation as well.
[39:58] Speaker 1: All right, gang quickly here a bold prediction for the
[40:01] Speaker 1: week ahead.
[40:02] Speaker 2: Your thoughts sly handsome. Oh look, even though.
[40:11] Speaker 8: Little Proud and Lee have gotten back together, I suspect
[40:14] Speaker 8: with the polls again this week, I don't know how
[40:17] Speaker 8: there's not going to be a leadership challenge for Lee.
[40:20] Speaker 8: I really don't see that it's not going to happen.
[40:23] Speaker 8: So it's probably not really a bold prediction. It's probably
[40:26] Speaker 8: just a reality.
[40:27] Speaker 2: If I'm being honest.
[40:29] Speaker 8: Let's call it, and let's just name it.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Sometimes we take big swings. Sometimes we just hit the
[40:33] Speaker 1: ball that's on the tee. I get it, David, Your
[40:36] Speaker 1: thought a bold prediction.
[40:39] Speaker 10: Well, my bold prediction isn't much different, and it's not
[40:42] Speaker 10: a very bold prediction either. I think, you know, again
[40:44] Speaker 10: in the Victorian Liberal Party, we're going to see more
[40:46] Speaker 10: drama over the next week.
[40:47] Speaker 1: All right, Well, my bold prediction is I think there's
[40:49] Speaker 1: a good chance that we could be in the dying
[40:50] Speaker 1: days of Keir Starmers prime ministership in the UK. We
[40:53] Speaker 1: will discuss all of that next Thank you guys. We'll
[40:55] Speaker 1: see you again next week. Mark Dolin' standing gy to
[40:57] Speaker 1: talk about that and a whole lot more here Paul
[40:59] Speaker 1: Mary on a Sunday night. Thank you so much for watching.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Remember our town it's gonews dot com dot if you're
[41:04] Speaker 1: in Bernie in a couple of weeks time. All right,
[41:11] Speaker 1: let us go to the United Kingdom right now with
[41:12] Speaker 1: a wonderful Mark Dollard and is standing bag and see
[41:14] Speaker 1: him on Talk TV over there, find him on YouTube.
[41:16] Speaker 2: As well, or hang out with us each and every Sunday,
[41:19] Speaker 2: great man. Love you to see.
[41:20] Speaker 11: You, hi, Paul, Happy Sunday.
[41:22] Speaker 2: Now.
[41:23] Speaker 1: It feels like I've got to get a flow chart here,
[41:24] Speaker 1: but let me bring everyone up today right. The reason
[41:26] Speaker 1: I think Keir Starman could actually be at the end
[41:29] Speaker 1: is yes, they've been chopping away at him for a
[41:30] Speaker 1: long time, his own mistakes chopping away for a long time.
[41:33] Speaker 2: Right.
[41:34] Speaker 1: However, the final straw you've got to imagine here is
[41:39] Speaker 1: the fact that he decided to appoint to the United
[41:41] Speaker 1: States a guy called Peter Mendelssohn to be the ambassador
[41:44] Speaker 1: for the United Kingdom. Now he ended up having quite
[41:48] Speaker 1: the close ties to Jeffrey Epstein. So this is the
[41:53] Speaker 1: world of trouble, right, which is it's about Starmer's judgment.
[41:56] Speaker 1: It's about his judgment as Prime Minister. It's about the
[41:58] Speaker 1: doubling down because the time a few people have gone really,
[42:01] Speaker 1: really really. I think this is what's going to be
[42:05] Speaker 1: perhaps an impetus for those who want to push him,
[42:08] Speaker 1: to push him, But I mean.
[42:10] Speaker 2: He can't swim out of it. He made a horrible decision.
[42:14] Speaker 11: He really did, and he's a man Paul of reliably
[42:18] Speaker 11: poor judgment. I mean, we can get to the awful
[42:20] Speaker 11: policy agenda, which has seen growth destroyed, which has seen
[42:24] Speaker 11: the return of inflation and unemployment. But his appointments have
[42:28] Speaker 11: been shocking too. There's been a housing secretary who lost
[42:34] Speaker 11: her job because she didn't pay stamp duty or transfer duty,
[42:38] Speaker 11: a corruption minister who's being investigated for corruption, and a
[42:41] Speaker 11: transport minister that stole a mobile phone. So the government
[42:45] Speaker 11: was a hot mess before the Mandelsson affair and he's
[42:49] Speaker 11: really created a rod for his own back because Mandelsson
[42:52] Speaker 11: comes from an entirely different generation of politicians. Mandlsson was
[42:56] Speaker 11: the architect of Tony Blair's political revolution very much the
[43:00] Speaker 11: man responsible for bringing spin into UK politics, which does
[43:04] Speaker 11: us all a great diskservice. And this is the guy
[43:08] Speaker 11: in Mandelson that resigned from the top levels of government
[43:11] Speaker 11: twice in disgrace. And so what does Starmer think. You know,
[43:15] Speaker 11: it was a disaster and a Blair Hold my beer.
[43:18] Speaker 11: I'll give this guy the biggest job in British diplomacy,
[43:24] Speaker 11: UK Ambassador to the United States. And as you said,
[43:26] Speaker 11: we are definitely in the territory now of last straw
[43:29] Speaker 11: and Camel's back.
[43:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's this thing.
[43:32] Speaker 1: We I can understand all of the people who have
[43:35] Speaker 1: the political gripes with Starmer, but obviously with how long
[43:40] Speaker 1: your election terms are, the assumption is look one years bad, two, okay,
[43:45] Speaker 1: three will see worst case scenario too, you know, politically
[43:50] Speaker 1: you know, two in the back of the head politically
[43:54] Speaker 1: at the fourth year. But the fact that this is
[43:57] Speaker 1: somewhere between two and three makes the time, I mean,
[44:00] Speaker 1: particularly weird. But there are these moments where it's like,
[44:04] Speaker 1: hang on any and anything to do with Epstein is
[44:08] Speaker 1: so radioactive that anything post two thousand and eight with
[44:14] Speaker 1: Epstein becomes even more radioactive. Hence why when Fergie is
[44:20] Speaker 1: reaching out and going back and forth after legal proceedings,
[44:24] Speaker 1: it makes things very clear about people's judgment or hearing
[44:28] Speaker 1: lack there off. And that is where if Starmer is
[44:31] Speaker 1: already so low, he has no political capital. And I
[44:35] Speaker 1: see you ask the question about whether or not you know,
[44:38] Speaker 1: is there a scapegoat? Well, who could the scapegoat be?
[44:41] Speaker 1: He's the one who, even if it was suggested, even
[44:43] Speaker 1: if he owe a favor, he's the one who went, oh,
[44:47] Speaker 1: you get the jersey, get out there and be the
[44:50] Speaker 1: ambassador to the US.
[44:52] Speaker 11: Most definitely, And there's no well of goodwill towards Starmer
[44:56] Speaker 11: out there in the country or within his own party,
[44:59] Speaker 11: because he's the most unpopular prime minister since records began.
[45:03] Speaker 11: If the economy was flying and we'd stop the votes,
[45:06] Speaker 11: controlled illegal immigration, then I think he'd have a little
[45:09] Speaker 11: bit of leverage, some headroom, but it's all gone and
[45:13] Speaker 11: you're right about his judgment and appointing Mandelson raises a
[45:17] Speaker 11: question about Starmer's moral code as well, because as you've mentioned,
[45:22] Speaker 11: you know, we all, don't we Paul come into contact
[45:25] Speaker 11: with people, friends, colleagues that turn out to be wrongins
[45:28] Speaker 11: and when that emerges, right we work in the media,
[45:32] Speaker 11: they're all wrongins. But the bottom line is that if
[45:34] Speaker 11: somebody is, you know, hanging out with a wicked individual
[45:39] Speaker 11: like Epstein post conviction for child sex trafficking, at that
[45:44] Speaker 11: point you would hope that contact was broken.
[45:46] Speaker 2: Starman.
[45:47] Speaker 11: You full well that Mandelson and Epstein remained besties. So
[45:52] Speaker 11: the guy's got no ethics, no judgment, no wisdom. He'll
[45:55] Speaker 11: be gone before the end of the year. The only
[45:57] Speaker 11: problem we have be careful he wish for Paul because
[46:00] Speaker 11: those jostling for position, yeah, bound to be more left wing.
[46:04] Speaker 11: And the country is maxed out financially now with our borrowing,
[46:08] Speaker 11: unemployment inflation, as I mentioned both on the March, so
[46:11] Speaker 11: Britain will shift to the left and I think by
[46:13] Speaker 11: the time of the next election you could probably buy
[46:16] Speaker 11: Britain for like eleven dollars, right.
[46:19] Speaker 2: We'll be on eBay.
[46:19] Speaker 11: That's the buy it now price, or maybe Donald Trumble
[46:22] Speaker 11: dorees a favor pick us.
[46:23] Speaker 1: Up for fifty first state or so fifty second of
[46:26] Speaker 1: course after Canada. Now, I noticed on your YouTube channel
[46:29] Speaker 1: that you went to a place that I've got to say,
[46:31] Speaker 1: I've been thinking about, but you were more.
[46:34] Speaker 2: Courageous than I.
[46:35] Speaker 1: So now I get to follow your lead, which is
[46:37] Speaker 1: about Andrew's kids right now. Obviously, they want to remain princesses.
[46:40] Speaker 1: They want to remain sort of out and about. They
[46:42] Speaker 1: want to remain part of polite society. And on your
[46:47] Speaker 1: YouTube page you delivered a bit of an insight and
[46:49] Speaker 1: an editorial that, look, you know, if they have to choose,
[46:52] Speaker 1: pretty obviously they're going to end u choosing here. And
[46:55] Speaker 1: that's the wider family, no matter how painful that is
[46:57] Speaker 1: for the relationship with the father Bloback did you get
[47:00] Speaker 1: after you started saying that, Well.
[47:04] Speaker 11: Any blowback that comes with telling the truth, Paul, And
[47:07] Speaker 11: that's what's brilliant about your channel and your show is
[47:10] Speaker 11: that you say it like you see it. There's no agenda,
[47:13] Speaker 11: and it won't always be fashionable. It won't always be popular.
[47:16] Speaker 11: Now in mitigation, I will say that for sure, it
[47:20] Speaker 11: wasn't the choice of Beatrice and Eugenie to be born
[47:22] Speaker 11: to those parents. You don't choose your parents, I get it.
[47:26] Speaker 11: But it's very clear that they are just as egocentric,
[47:30] Speaker 11: just as narcissistic as their parents. They are cash hungry grifters.
[47:36] Speaker 11: They are a chip off the old block, both Fergie
[47:39] Speaker 11: and Andrew, as demonstrated by the book The Downfall. Its
[47:46] Speaker 11: basically Andrew Lownie wrote this book entitled Sorry, It's called
[47:49] Speaker 11: the title, and he said, this is a guy, Andrew
[47:51] Speaker 11: Lownie that's been studying the Yorks for decades, and he
[47:54] Speaker 11: said that the girls are just as bad and that
[47:57] Speaker 11: they will happily throw their parents under the bus if
[47:59] Speaker 11: they can hang on to hr h hang on to
[48:02] Speaker 11: Princess this and Princess that, hang on to coming out
[48:05] Speaker 11: of church with King Charles and Prince William on Christmas Day.
[48:09] Speaker 11: They love the fame, they love the pedigree, and they
[48:11] Speaker 11: won't give it up.
[48:12] Speaker 2: Wow.
[48:13] Speaker 1: All right, Another reason to get Mark Doland. Make sure
[48:15] Speaker 1: you follow him on YouTube, check me out on talk
[48:17] Speaker 1: TOIV in the UK and see him here each and
[48:18] Speaker 1: every Sunday. Thank you, Matt, have a lovely Sunday in
[48:21] Speaker 1: mary Own, England. Quick break back with more Why does
[48:24] Speaker 1: Trump look again?
[48:25] Speaker 2: We're all right, I'm pro pro maga right, I'm in
[48:28] Speaker 2: on him. Why is he doing the strange Twitter thing? Wannason?
[48:37] Speaker 2: Why did Trump do this?
[48:41] Speaker 6: The White House has taken down a true social video
[48:44] Speaker 6: depicting former President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama
[48:48] Speaker 6: as monkeys. The White House says a staffer erroneously made
[48:51] Speaker 6: the post. It was up for twelve hours. Senator Tim
[48:54] Speaker 6: Scott posted to x quote praying it was fake because
[48:58] Speaker 6: it's the most racist thing I've seen out of this
[49:00] Speaker 6: White House. The President should remove it.
[49:02] Speaker 2: They did.
[49:03] Speaker 1: Trump got on the plane and were saying, well, I
[49:05] Speaker 1: saw the start of the video, but not all of it.
[49:08] Speaker 2: Be careful, be careful, right, watch the videos to the end.
[49:13] Speaker 2: Twelve hours. That was up for not a good one,
[49:17] Speaker 2: say anymore.

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