# Paul Murray Live | 2 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 2 Aug 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/d65089ed-bab7-45bd-bb62-b49a00cfce81/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

One Nation retakes the lead as Labor's primary vote falls, fuel prices expected to jump as the excise relief ends. Plus, one in three children are sharing personal information with AI. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray live. Hala matepefully, you've had a
[0:07] Speaker 1: wonderful weekend. What a way to end it with us
[0:09] Speaker 1: here tonight on News twenty four. We've got a lot
[0:12] Speaker 1: to get to including you know, I love an opinion
[0:14] Speaker 1: poll and there's a brand new hot piping one that
[0:17] Speaker 1: will yet again change the political landscape. Well, let's get
[0:20] Speaker 1: to it straight. Now. We know that previously Labor was
[0:24] Speaker 1: up a little bit, the Coalition was up a little bit.
[0:26] Speaker 1: One Nation was down a little bit, while Pauline Hansen
[0:29] Speaker 1: was of course here with us in the News twenty
[0:32] Speaker 1: four HQ this week. And guess what. I'm not suggesting
[0:36] Speaker 1: it's because of her appearance. I'm just saying that's what
[0:38] Speaker 1: happened last week. One Nation is now back as the
[0:41] Speaker 1: number one most popular political party in the country. Now
[0:46] Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about this with Cos Samas tomorrow night.
[0:48] Speaker 1: But obviously there is let's say, about five percent that
[0:52] Speaker 1: is bouncing around a lot at the moment. These are
[0:54] Speaker 1: people who mightn't be fully in the One Nation camp yet,
[0:57] Speaker 1: but they bounce in and out. So of the hockey
[0:59] Speaker 1: poke is happening a lot in the polls at the moment.
[1:03] Speaker 1: That means, of course that basically the base for one
[1:05] Speaker 1: nation is now about twenty five percent, and the rest
[1:09] Speaker 1: of it is up and down and up and down
[1:10] Speaker 1: and up and down. So thirty one to twenty nine
[1:13] Speaker 1: the coalition a good news story for them at twenty two.
[1:16] Speaker 1: So where's all this coming from. Supposedly it's coming from
[1:19] Speaker 1: the Greens, and it is also coming from the other column.
[1:23] Speaker 1: If you simply go and hang on that six percent
[1:25] Speaker 1: that to move from here, six percent's gone somewhere else. Okay, yes,
[1:29] Speaker 1: you are seeing that there has been movement towards one nation. Now,
[1:32] Speaker 1: the red Bridge Pole happens not every two weeks but
[1:35] Speaker 1: every month every month, okay, News poll every month, Essentral
[1:40] Speaker 1: poll every month that you go News twenty four polse
[1:46] Speaker 1: poll that is every two weeks so and the Morgan
[1:49] Speaker 1: Pole it's every week. So that's why there's lots of
[1:51] Speaker 1: poles and lots of things to see here. So two
[1:53] Speaker 1: Ponty preferred vote. If one nation finished ahead of the coalition,
[1:57] Speaker 1: Labour would win an election fifty three to forty seven. Now,
[2:02] Speaker 1: of course this is a change on the federal election,
[2:04] Speaker 1: which was fifty five forty five. If the LNP ended
[2:08] Speaker 1: up getting more votes than One Nation. Well, they would
[2:11] Speaker 1: end up winning the election at fifty two forty eight.
[2:14] Speaker 1: But obviously there's a huge amount of numbers between the
[2:17] Speaker 1: thirty one that is currently One Nation and twenty two
[2:20] Speaker 1: that is the coalition. But as I've told you many
[2:22] Speaker 1: many times before, the reason that One Nation is not
[2:25] Speaker 1: in a position to even get close to government is
[2:27] Speaker 1: because about a third of Coalition supporters will not preference
[2:32] Speaker 1: One Nation. Most of One Nation supporters will preference the coalition.
[2:36] Speaker 1: Hence why those two things are different preferred Prime Minister.
[2:39] Speaker 1: I don't know why they keep putting paul and Hanson's
[2:41] Speaker 1: name in here. Yes, she's the leader of One Nation,
[2:43] Speaker 1: but it is a lower House contest and currently thirty
[2:46] Speaker 1: two percent for Alberanezi, And as you can see, thirty
[2:50] Speaker 1: nine is the mix between Pauline Hanson and Angus Taylor.
[2:53] Speaker 1: At Angus Taylor's numbers up quite considerably, paul and Hanson
[2:56] Speaker 1: still within the margin of era. How popular are lots
[2:59] Speaker 1: of political fings biggs that are around in the news
[3:01] Speaker 1: in the past month, Well, Anthony Abernezi the least popular
[3:04] Speaker 1: of the major political leaders that are around right now.
[3:07] Speaker 1: In fact, down nineteen percent more people finding him unfavorable
[3:12] Speaker 1: to favorable. Pauline Hansen again more people finding her unfavorable
[3:16] Speaker 1: than favorable, but that is by a much smaller margin
[3:19] Speaker 1: than the problem that exists for Anthony Abernesi. It is
[3:22] Speaker 1: slightly worse than Angus Taylor, but Angus Taylor is pretty
[3:25] Speaker 1: much close to the fifty to fifty line. Now it's
[3:27] Speaker 1: their poll, they decided to look at it. But David Pocock,
[3:30] Speaker 1: principally you would imagine on the types of issues that
[3:32] Speaker 1: he talks about, and he has one of these strategies
[3:34] Speaker 1: of sort of turning up once a month and then retreating. Well,
[3:38] Speaker 1: he has a ten percent positive ie ten percent more
[3:41] Speaker 1: positive than negative. And John Howard, who has returned recent times,
[3:45] Speaker 1: of course last weekend he was on with Jamie Rodgers.
[3:47] Speaker 1: He still has a positive rating with the Australian public,
[3:50] Speaker 1: something that upon some poles, people like a Kevin Rudd
[3:53] Speaker 1: or a Malcolm Turnbul do not or would wish to have.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Why is the poll going the way that it does.
[4:00] Speaker 1: On cost of living labor, the Coalition and One Nation
[4:04] Speaker 1: are basically in a three way tie here for who
[4:06] Speaker 1: is the best party to deal with cost of living
[4:09] Speaker 1: the single most important number though, thirty one percent, meaning labor,
[4:14] Speaker 1: One Nation and the Coalition all have to do a
[4:16] Speaker 1: better job of convincing people that they are the best
[4:21] Speaker 1: party when it comes to cost of living. Why because
[4:24] Speaker 1: it's the number one issue in the country. Or about
[4:27] Speaker 1: that in a second, about housing affordability, Remember this was
[4:29] Speaker 1: the whole point of the budget and the lies that
[4:32] Speaker 1: became the law. Well, Labor is sitting at just twenty
[4:35] Speaker 1: two percent, not even a quarter of all voters. Yes,
[4:38] Speaker 1: a higher number than the Coalition or One Nation, but
[4:41] Speaker 1: again very significant number of people thirty four Now, of course,
[4:44] Speaker 1: if half of that number goes to labor, they end
[4:46] Speaker 1: up winning election very easily. If a number is evenly
[4:50] Speaker 1: split between all three, Labor would end up with most,
[4:52] Speaker 1: but not enough to claim that as the big issue. Hence,
[4:55] Speaker 1: why they are not talking a lot about housing anymore?
[4:57] Speaker 1: Are they when it comes to the overall To me
[5:00] Speaker 1: and again, why is the government avoiding the subject of
[5:02] Speaker 1: the economy, because not on even a quarter of people
[5:05] Speaker 1: think that they are the best to handle that issue. Instead,
[5:07] Speaker 1: it is a good one for the Coalition. A big
[5:11] Speaker 1: problem for One Nation is that this is not considered
[5:13] Speaker 1: an area where they are particularly strong. Hence why sometimes
[5:17] Speaker 1: despite even the fact they could be the number one
[5:19] Speaker 1: political party in the country, sometimes there are some seedlings issues.
[5:22] Speaker 1: Why is that they bump their heads into again, twenty
[5:24] Speaker 1: seven percent of people sitting with none of the above.
[5:27] Speaker 1: If climate change is your big issue, and of course
[5:30] Speaker 1: that is more important the younger that you go. The
[5:33] Speaker 1: Greens at twenty seven percent, Labor at seventeen, the Coalition
[5:37] Speaker 1: and One Nation collectively is at twenty five percent. Now, like, dislike,
[5:42] Speaker 1: agree or disagree, and do not throw something at the television,
[5:45] Speaker 1: But clearly the most popular position in the country is
[5:51] Speaker 1: either the path we are on, maybe not as far
[5:53] Speaker 1: down the path, but the sort of net zero stuff. Again, collectively,
[5:57] Speaker 1: it's sitting at about thirty five percent, which is certainly
[6:00] Speaker 1: know when you're fifty, and certainly not into an overall
[6:03] Speaker 1: winning position, but lots to get to inside all of
[6:05] Speaker 1: that poll. We will get to that as this evening
[6:08] Speaker 1: unfolds again. I just show you the scoreboard. Then we
[6:11] Speaker 1: can interpret the scoreboard or want to give you the data,
[6:14] Speaker 1: and then we can add the opinion to the data.
[6:16] Speaker 1: But let's all agree that we are looking at the
[6:18] Speaker 1: information from a sort of emotionally detached point, and then
[6:22] Speaker 1: we start to add the emotion and the opinion as
[6:24] Speaker 1: we go tonight. That's why I show you so many polls.
[6:27] Speaker 1: I know for some people I get the odd email
[6:28] Speaker 1: saying too many polls. I understand that. But there is
[6:31] Speaker 1: a big story happening right now. Has the Labor Party
[6:33] Speaker 1: gone back far enough to not get the same results
[6:37] Speaker 1: that have gone at the last election according to these polls, yes,
[6:40] Speaker 1: Has the coalition started to show growth since a change
[6:42] Speaker 1: of leadership, Yes, it is. But where is that coming from? Well,
[6:46] Speaker 1: it's not coming from one nation, meaning it is starting
[6:48] Speaker 1: to come from other places. And again one nation, it
[6:52] Speaker 1: falls between first, second, first, second, or in some poles
[6:56] Speaker 1: first and third. But they are now back on top
[6:58] Speaker 1: in a poll which was one of the first to
[7:00] Speaker 1: say they were the most popular party in the country.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Now I've got to talk about petrol because tonight is
[7:06] Speaker 1: the last chance to be able to get petrol before
[7:09] Speaker 1: midnight Sunday night, before petrol goes up again. Now, remember
[7:14] Speaker 1: a week is a long time in politics. Well, this
[7:16] Speaker 1: was the Prime minister one week ago.
[7:19] Speaker 2: Our focus remained squarely on helping with the cost of living.
[7:24] Speaker 1: Yet one week later they are increasing the tax that
[7:28] Speaker 1: increases the cost of living for all Australians. Because nothing
[7:32] Speaker 1: grows at the supermarket, everything at some point in time
[7:36] Speaker 1: has to move around in transport, and virtually all transport
[7:40] Speaker 1: in Australia relies on petrol. One day in the future,
[7:43] Speaker 1: maybe not, but that's where we are. Unsurprisingly, the person
[7:45] Speaker 1: who had the job of reminding us that the government
[7:48] Speaker 1: is full of it is the Chief Minister who is
[7:51] Speaker 1: full of it, Chris Bund.
[7:53] Speaker 3: The field exercise will return to normal over the weekend.
[7:57] Speaker 3: That will see it return for the more normal levels.
[8:00] Speaker 3: We said that this was a temporary measure. We've returned
[8:03] Speaker 3: it gradually, which I think was the right thing to do.
[8:05] Speaker 3: But I think Australians have understood, as we've made Crystal
[8:08] Speaker 3: Cleare all the way through, this was a temporary measure.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Now, every now and then there are little moments in
[8:13] Speaker 1: news that do remind us about where everyone else is,
[8:17] Speaker 1: not maybe where we think everyone else is. For example, COVID,
[8:20] Speaker 1: I thought that Australians would have been a bit more
[8:22] Speaker 1: resistant to all of the rules, all the rest of it,
[8:24] Speaker 1: and I know there was a very significant number of
[8:25] Speaker 1: us who were and I'm not even talking about vaccination.
[8:27] Speaker 1: I'm talking about being told to go to your room,
[8:29] Speaker 1: or people who didn't support the idea of kids being
[8:32] Speaker 1: told they can't go to school. Of course, we know
[8:35] Speaker 1: that the vast majority of people somehow thought that they
[8:37] Speaker 1: were the new ANZACs because they got to work from
[8:39] Speaker 1: home and they watched an awful lot of Telly. In fact,
[8:42] Speaker 1: we've never got over the giant trauma that was what
[8:45] Speaker 1: took place and how our society got completely reordered as
[8:48] Speaker 1: a result of that authoritarian governmental approach. Well maybe this
[8:54] Speaker 1: is one here too, where apparently the government deserves all
[8:57] Speaker 1: the credit when they cut the actually they choose to
[9:00] Speaker 1: put on petrol. But according to the ABC, when they
[9:03] Speaker 1: went and found random voters, they couldn't find a single
[9:06] Speaker 1: one who was annoyed that the government is putting tax
[9:09] Speaker 1: up again.
[9:11] Speaker 4: The XIS has got to go up, got to be
[9:14] Speaker 4: paid back sometime, and so I'm just getting here this
[9:17] Speaker 4: morning before that happens. I just think the government's doing
[9:22] Speaker 4: what it can do. It's tried to help out, but
[9:25] Speaker 4: it's it's a big cost, and you know, we have
[9:28] Speaker 4: to pay the price of the war.
[9:30] Speaker 1: Unfortunately.
[9:31] Speaker 5: Well it's just certainly helped, but I suggest they start
[9:33] Speaker 5: getting some more refineries in Australia rather than relying offshore.
[9:37] Speaker 6: Look, it's just a shame what's going on in the world.
[9:40] Speaker 6: Obviously some government mismanagement doesn't help, but they can't control
[9:46] Speaker 6: the events of the Straits are for moved.
[9:49] Speaker 1: It's kind of sad that it's, you know, a few
[9:51] Speaker 1: crisis of then going up.
[9:52] Speaker 7: Along with everything else in the world.
[9:54] Speaker 8: But yeah, it was unbeknown to me. So here's what
[9:57] Speaker 8: it is, I guess.
[9:59] Speaker 1: So apparently prices are just like COVID right, the majority
[10:02] Speaker 1: of Australers know they don't care. Oh they love it
[10:04] Speaker 1: when they go down because that's an example of the
[10:05] Speaker 1: government helping out. But when the government stops helping out
[10:08] Speaker 1: and they start to go up again, oh who cares? Really?
[10:13] Speaker 1: Maybe that was, of course a random sample of the
[10:16] Speaker 1: people within five kilometers of the inner city offices of
[10:18] Speaker 1: insert their ABC. But if you see opinion poll for
[10:22] Speaker 1: how long, including the one that was put out in
[10:23] Speaker 1: the Guardian, it tells us what is the number one
[10:26] Speaker 1: issue in the country. Say it together, cost of living?
[10:29] Speaker 1: You can see they're the numbers are what the base
[10:31] Speaker 1: a part of seventy something percent say that the number one,
[10:33] Speaker 1: two or three issue is cost of living, well and
[10:35] Speaker 1: truly in front of medicare well and truly in front
[10:37] Speaker 1: of crime, and well and truly in front of immigration.
[10:39] Speaker 1: But apparently when the government decides to reintroduce a tax
[10:42] Speaker 1: of fifty two cents a liter on petrol, that makes
[10:45] Speaker 1: eight dollars a tank go up. This is on top
[10:47] Speaker 1: of the last dight, so now we're back to the
[10:49] Speaker 1: full sixteen dollars of your tank is what you pay
[10:52] Speaker 1: to the government. But apparently it's just the price of
[10:56] Speaker 1: living again, perfectly done. Yet again Albow is the winner.
[11:03] Speaker 1: Speaking of can we talk about Luke Gosling again. As
[11:05] Speaker 1: you remember last week there was a situation where he
[11:08] Speaker 1: has now been charged with two assault charges. He has
[11:12] Speaker 1: of course denied. They are all in relation to the
[11:15] Speaker 1: equivalent of the Governor of the Northern Territory, the State Administrator,
[11:21] Speaker 1: and as I told you last week, he's an MP.
[11:23] Speaker 1: But he's got all these sort of extra titles like
[11:25] Speaker 1: the Special Envoy for Veterans' Affairs and the Special Envoy
[11:30] Speaker 1: for the Northern Australia, but he doesn't get any extra
[11:33] Speaker 1: money for it, so he's not really a minister. So
[11:36] Speaker 1: those of us who think that the same standards that
[11:38] Speaker 1: would apply to a minister having to step down would
[11:40] Speaker 1: apply to him having to step down, Well a minister
[11:43] Speaker 1: has said yeah, no, because he's not a minister.
[11:47] Speaker 5: It's not a minister or position. It doesn't have any
[11:50] Speaker 5: executive authority, any ability to make decisions that impact Australians.
[11:56] Speaker 5: Of course, as you know, if he were a minister,
[11:58] Speaker 5: he would be required to stand beside what.
[12:01] Speaker 1: I tell you. So the special envoid position that is
[12:04] Speaker 1: given to people is not real. It does not have
[12:08] Speaker 1: any power, it does not have any ability to make
[12:10] Speaker 1: a decision. It is a lick of paint on an
[12:13] Speaker 1: mp who make them look slightly more important than they
[12:15] Speaker 1: actually are. Clearly, the special envoid position is not significant
[12:19] Speaker 1: enough to even matter when a matter is before the courts.
[12:25] Speaker 8: Now.
[12:25] Speaker 1: Of course, way back when anyone who remembers a better
[12:28] Speaker 1: world before this government became the government remembers that the
[12:32] Speaker 1: opposition used to love demanding that a coalition minister must resign,
[12:37] Speaker 1: must stand aside questions to answer. Remember they even call
[12:40] Speaker 1: in the Federal Police on political scandals. Well, thankfully, Dantean,
[12:46] Speaker 1: who was one of the people way back when who
[12:48] Speaker 1: was part of the government, remembers the each way elbow
[12:51] Speaker 1: of all of this that when it applies to his people,
[12:53] Speaker 1: they don't have to step down. But when it applied
[12:55] Speaker 1: to the Morrison, Turnbul or Abbott governments, it of course
[13:00] Speaker 1: was a reason to screen the roof down.
[13:03] Speaker 9: What a hypocrite the Prime minister is. And this goes
[13:07] Speaker 9: to the character now of the Prime minister. When he
[13:12] Speaker 9: was opposition leader, he was happy to call for everyone
[13:15] Speaker 9: and anyone to resign, to step down. Those previous examples
[13:20] Speaker 9: you showed go to the character of the Prime Minister
[13:23] Speaker 9: because he's happy to call for other people of other
[13:26] Speaker 9: political persuasions to stand down for any reason. Yet when
[13:31] Speaker 9: someone of his from his own party has been charged
[13:34] Speaker 9: with assault, he does nothing, and it's a disgrace.
[13:39] Speaker 1: See each way, Albo. And he knows this term. I
[13:43] Speaker 1: know it to be true that he knows this term. Well,
[13:47] Speaker 1: guess what. It's not a compliment. Why it's a polite
[13:50] Speaker 1: way of sort of saying having it both ways means
[13:52] Speaker 1: he has none and often it's a lie or a
[13:54] Speaker 1: double standard. And remember what he did at the Garma Festival,
[13:58] Speaker 1: a significant event for Indigenous radio just last year.
[14:03] Speaker 2: I commit here that every single year, as that I
[14:07] Speaker 2: have the great honor to the Australias Prime Minister, I
[14:11] Speaker 2: will be here and engaged with you.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Well, Gama was this weekend in the Northern Territory and
[14:18] Speaker 1: guess who wasn't there.
[14:21] Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you know what, amish, I haven't had
[14:27] Speaker 2: a day off all year, all year.
[14:31] Speaker 1: That would be another example of each way elbow right,
[14:35] Speaker 1: a little bit like when the Prime Minister is more
[14:38] Speaker 1: than happy to use the word liar when he's having
[14:41] Speaker 1: a go at his political opponents.
[14:43] Speaker 2: Liar, lie, lie, lie lies.
[14:47] Speaker 1: But when he is called out for lying about the
[14:49] Speaker 1: things in the budget which have now become the law
[14:52] Speaker 1: of the country, of course he did.
[14:54] Speaker 2: What this is a change in our policy. We have
[14:58] Speaker 2: changed our position, changing our position.
[15:01] Speaker 1: I don't know how does anyone see a problem with this?
[15:04] Speaker 1: Goverment is amazing because we are cutting fuel taxes. Who cares?
[15:09] Speaker 1: Government is now increasing fuel taxes. Yeah, this is the
[15:14] Speaker 1: way they play the game. Of course, he disappears for
[15:16] Speaker 1: a week, meaning no one's going to follow up of
[15:17] Speaker 1: all the weeks to magically decide that you're going to
[15:19] Speaker 1: be on holidays, this one was the one that he
[15:22] Speaker 1: decided to do so, meaning, of course they think you're
[15:25] Speaker 1: stupid that somehow you will forget. But according to the
[15:27] Speaker 1: vox pops of the ABC, maybe people or can be
[15:33] Speaker 1: meantime about the Garma event that took place today. Noel
[15:36] Speaker 1: Pearson is a man who I deeply respect. I don't
[15:38] Speaker 1: agree with him on everything, And yeah, we weren't quite
[15:41] Speaker 1: there when it came to the voice, and certainly he
[15:42] Speaker 1: was incredibly disappointed when it didn't happen. But the majority
[15:45] Speaker 1: of Australians saw this for what it was and they
[15:46] Speaker 1: didn't want it. But it gave a major speech today
[15:49] Speaker 1: as part of the Garma Festival, and he had a
[15:51] Speaker 1: few ideas about how to move on from that debate,
[15:55] Speaker 1: but also to try to bring Indigenous people as forward
[16:01] Speaker 1: as possible. This bloke does the hard yards. He doesn't
[16:03] Speaker 1: just yap on Telly. So I wanted to show you
[16:06] Speaker 1: his thoughts tonight.
[16:08] Speaker 10: Blue Dot Communities of Remote Australia must become the sole
[16:13] Speaker 10: jurisdiction of the Commonwealth. These communities and their lands would
[16:20] Speaker 10: still come under the shared jurisdiction of relevant states and
[16:25] Speaker 10: territories for most functions governed by the state's constitutional responsibilities.
[16:33] Speaker 10: But the administrative relationship for Aboriginal affairs should lie with
[16:40] Speaker 10: the Commonwealth.
[16:41] Speaker 1: It's good, it's complicated, but it is what we've always said.
[16:45] Speaker 1: The answer has to go postcode by postcode by postcode.
[16:48] Speaker 1: Is that means more direct federal relationship as opposed to
[16:51] Speaker 1: the double up with the state or the territories. Yeah,
[16:53] Speaker 1: I don't mind the idea. But there was a politician
[16:57] Speaker 1: who was there and that was Julian Lisa. He is
[16:59] Speaker 1: now the Shadow Indigenous Affairs Minister. I like Julian Lisa.
[17:03] Speaker 1: He obviously was on the wrong side of things when
[17:06] Speaker 1: it came to the party and the public when it
[17:08] Speaker 1: came to the voice, but he's back in that position
[17:12] Speaker 1: and he was saying this about what he did when
[17:15] Speaker 1: he was at the event that the Prime Minister couldn't
[17:17] Speaker 1: be bothered going to because I haven't had a day
[17:19] Speaker 1: off all year despite all those days at the football
[17:21] Speaker 1: Prime Minister.
[17:23] Speaker 11: We sent a potential audit of remote Indigenous communities. I've
[17:26] Speaker 11: announced a new direction in Indigenous affairs, focusing on education,
[17:30] Speaker 11: on wealth creation and on suicide prevention. The Chief Minister
[17:34] Speaker 11: of the Northern Territory, Leer for bukaros An outstay landmark
[17:37] Speaker 11: deal with remote indigenous communities here.
[17:40] Speaker 1: So the media was glad that a representative of the
[17:43] Speaker 1: opposition was there and not just there but also trying
[17:45] Speaker 1: to participate in the conversation. Right, of course not, he's
[17:49] Speaker 1: from the wrong political side. Right. So despite the fact
[17:51] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister couldn't be bothered turning up, I haven't
[17:53] Speaker 1: had an alf all year. This was a cause that
[17:55] Speaker 1: he was willing to change a constitution about a couple
[17:57] Speaker 1: of years ago. One year ago, promised that he would
[18:00] Speaker 1: always turn up to one year later this weekend. Couldn't
[18:02] Speaker 1: be bothered turning up too. Yet what did the headlines say? Well,
[18:07] Speaker 1: of course that Julian Lisa was somebody who campaigned with
[18:10] Speaker 1: alb It easy for the voice. So that's the tick.
[18:12] Speaker 1: Now he's accused the Prime Minister of a band and
[18:13] Speaker 1: he just staians well, he literally did this weekend. That's
[18:19] Speaker 1: the story. That's the politician. If you want to have
[18:21] Speaker 1: the bag, that's the one you bag, not the one
[18:24] Speaker 1: who didn't turn up. But of course, nothing to see here.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Don't rock the boat. Albow will be PM forever. Why
[18:30] Speaker 1: because even when you put up the petrol taxes that
[18:32] Speaker 1: you wanted everyone to cheer you for when you cut
[18:34] Speaker 1: the petrol taxes. When you ask the people, or at
[18:36] Speaker 1: least the ones the ABC did, no one cares now AI, Relax, Relax.
[18:45] Speaker 1: I know many conversations about AI can be a little
[18:47] Speaker 1: bit eye watering, a little bit glassing over a little bit,
[18:50] Speaker 1: not because it's not important, but because unless it is
[18:53] Speaker 1: a big part of your life, it is hard to
[18:54] Speaker 1: get your head around just how massive this stuff is.
[18:58] Speaker 1: Think about AI. Yes, there's lots of different ways, but
[19:01] Speaker 1: I want you to think about it sort of as
[19:02] Speaker 1: a Google search, but like on absolute steroids. Right, So, previously,
[19:06] Speaker 1: when you go to Google and you type in what
[19:08] Speaker 1: is the name of the fat bloke on News twenty four,
[19:11] Speaker 1: and it will not give you the answer, but it'll
[19:13] Speaker 1: give you a bunch of links to the answer. Well,
[19:16] Speaker 1: for many people, the way they use AIS, they'll turn
[19:18] Speaker 1: around and ask that question and it will answer it right,
[19:21] Speaker 1: and they'll write a little paragraph about who that fat
[19:24] Speaker 1: blog is from the News twenty four, but it'll have
[19:27] Speaker 1: links underneath. So think of it as a version of
[19:29] Speaker 1: search that's sort of pushed up. Right, we've sort of
[19:32] Speaker 1: gone from the Dewey decimal system to the Internet librarian. Well,
[19:36] Speaker 1: now there is sort of this mysterious person who's on
[19:38] Speaker 1: the other side of your computer screen who will answer
[19:40] Speaker 1: any question that you have. You can even name them
[19:43] Speaker 1: and give them a voice. Seriously, So for some people,
[19:48] Speaker 1: they think that we're not using our brains as much.
[19:50] Speaker 1: So maybe this is an issue where AI might make
[19:54] Speaker 1: us more connected to information but doesn't make us smarter.
[19:57] Speaker 1: Are we actually getting dumb as a result of not
[19:59] Speaker 1: having to think much? Maybe the United Nations University sheez,
[20:03] Speaker 1: imagine how lefty that one is, says two point five
[20:06] Speaker 1: billion daily messages a day in just chat GPT show
[20:11] Speaker 1: us that quote, seventy percent of messages are for not
[20:14] Speaker 1: work purposes. That's up a massive number on last year. Now,
[20:21] Speaker 1: for some people, they like to use the service as
[20:23] Speaker 1: sort of a second brain, a conscience. If you will
[20:27] Speaker 1: remember those old cartoons where they used to have the
[20:30] Speaker 1: person you have the little martial that would pop up
[20:33] Speaker 1: on Fred Flintstone's shoulder to go way back, but you
[20:38] Speaker 1: get the idea of a person on your shoulder give
[20:40] Speaker 1: you good or bad advice. Well, one person uses it
[20:43] Speaker 1: to buy everything. Should I buy this or should I
[20:46] Speaker 1: buy that? Should I buy this? Size? Or that size,
[20:49] Speaker 1: this color or that color. Some people use another version
[20:52] Speaker 1: of this, This one's called CLAWD for things like personal guidance.
[20:55] Speaker 1: Should I do this in a relationship? Should I do
[20:58] Speaker 1: that in a relationship? How do I make myself not taller,
[21:01] Speaker 1: but how do I make myself more healthy? How do
[21:04] Speaker 1: I lose five kilos? So you get the point right
[21:08] Speaker 1: about the lane of AI that I'm trying to talk
[21:10] Speaker 1: about here. Well, just like a generation who grew up
[21:15] Speaker 1: not asking anyone for a question, not reading a book,
[21:18] Speaker 1: but typing into a search engine, there's now another generation
[21:21] Speaker 1: on top of that that now asks this digital third person,
[21:26] Speaker 1: and there's an awful lot of kids that are doing it.
[21:28] Speaker 1: And the e Safety Commissioner, yes, who can often go
[21:31] Speaker 1: off half cock, but sometimes some interesting information here, says
[21:34] Speaker 1: one in three children using AI are sharing secret and
[21:37] Speaker 1: personal information with the bots, including photographs. New national research
[21:43] Speaker 1: has shown IE take a photo of themselves. What do
[21:46] Speaker 1: you think of this look? How could improve this look?
[21:48] Speaker 1: But of course anything that you put up on the
[21:50] Speaker 1: Internet can end up in the worst parts of the Internet,
[21:52] Speaker 1: which is why this is a problem. The experiences of
[21:54] Speaker 1: more than two thousand children aged ten to seventeen have
[21:56] Speaker 1: been recorded by the E Safety Commissioner. More concerning, twenty
[22:00] Speaker 1: percent who had used AI assistance or companions had experienced
[22:05] Speaker 1: harmful interactions, including controlling behavior, damaging advice, bullying, and exposure
[22:09] Speaker 1: to hateful content. There are even people who use it
[22:14] Speaker 1: to say what is the best way to end my
[22:16] Speaker 1: own life? And they get an answer. Now, I will
[22:21] Speaker 1: not lie. I've been trying to get my head around
[22:22] Speaker 1: this about how I can use it in my daily life. Obviously,
[22:26] Speaker 1: I've done a lot of book reading and remember the
[22:29] Speaker 1: old Dewey decimal card system. And yes, I've done an
[22:32] Speaker 1: awful lot of searching, which I do every single day,
[22:34] Speaker 1: putting together what we put together for this show each
[22:36] Speaker 1: and every night. And sometimes I use that digital third
[22:40] Speaker 1: person to go and find a whole bunch of facts,
[22:46] Speaker 1: and then you work back from that and go and
[22:48] Speaker 1: find the sources. But I want to just remind us
[22:53] Speaker 1: about what is at stake here. What does at stake
[22:56] Speaker 1: is about how we interact with each other. Often is
[23:00] Speaker 1: that you'll be with your friends and you'll say, where
[23:03] Speaker 1: have I seen that person before? What was the movie?
[23:06] Speaker 1: The movie with the guy? And then someone will automatically
[23:09] Speaker 1: go to the phone and answer the damn question for you.
[23:13] Speaker 1: That part of your brain you need, that's the part
[23:16] Speaker 1: of your brain that you need to keep stimulated. It's
[23:18] Speaker 1: not just sudoku. It's remembering things. Now, it's a long
[23:22] Speaker 1: time since we've ever had to remember a telephone number,
[23:24] Speaker 1: but increasingly don't remember the basic facts. What year had
[23:30] Speaker 1: just become a country, When was the harbor bridge built?
[23:35] Speaker 1: Now it's not that you should know everything that's ever happened,
[23:40] Speaker 1: but you should be able to ask someone if you
[23:43] Speaker 1: don't know. Now. Way back when when I was a kid,
[23:47] Speaker 1: I remember I had wonderful memories of my grandparents that
[23:50] Speaker 1: every time I had a question, and if they didn't know,
[23:54] Speaker 1: the same thing would happen. Every time, they'd turn around
[23:56] Speaker 1: and they'd go and they'd reach for the encyclopedia and
[23:59] Speaker 1: how it had come read read, read, and that's how
[24:02] Speaker 1: we would learn the fact, how do you spell that
[24:06] Speaker 1: word well? Out going after the dictionary outcomes the dictionary
[24:09] Speaker 1: down it goes flick flick flick. Now, have we come
[24:12] Speaker 1: up with a better bit of technology to get to
[24:14] Speaker 1: those answers faster than ever before? You bet?
[24:17] Speaker 4: You.
[24:19] Speaker 1: But the thing that I learned as a result of
[24:22] Speaker 1: learning that way was that my grandparents knew more than
[24:26] Speaker 1: I did, that I trusted them when they started to
[24:30] Speaker 1: talk about life, that I trusted them about how they
[24:33] Speaker 1: talked about values. It's why you trust your parents, not
[24:38] Speaker 1: just about how to fix a car, but about how
[24:41] Speaker 1: the world works. It's how you trust your friends, because
[24:45] Speaker 1: there's the one friend who's really good with rock and
[24:47] Speaker 1: roll knowledge, like if you've ever played pub trivia. One's
[24:50] Speaker 1: great with sport, one's great with rock and roll. Oh
[24:53] Speaker 1: you know Julie, she knows history like the back of
[24:55] Speaker 1: her hand. But increasingly there is a generation of people
[24:59] Speaker 1: who don't interact with their parents or grandparents or friends
[25:03] Speaker 1: to learn how the world works. Instead trust the phone.
[25:05] Speaker 1: The throne is never wrong. Phone is truth, and increasingly
[25:10] Speaker 1: inside that is not just the Google search, but it
[25:13] Speaker 1: is now the AI. Now. May the information be correct, sure,
[25:19] Speaker 1: but the part that keeps your brain alive. To be
[25:21] Speaker 1: able to remain at maximum function while you are healthy
[25:24] Speaker 1: and at maximum function the older you get, you need
[25:27] Speaker 1: to use the damn thing. And using the damn thing
[25:29] Speaker 1: is not just hey, Siri, how do I this? That?
[25:33] Speaker 1: And the other? Hey check you pt? Which way is
[25:37] Speaker 1: the best way to go to this place, user will
[25:40] Speaker 1: lose it. It works for every single muscle in your body,
[25:43] Speaker 1: all right, including your head and dare I say your
[25:47] Speaker 1: heart as well when it comes to interacting with people.
[25:50] Speaker 1: So this week do me a favor. If you're somebody
[25:52] Speaker 1: who is realizing the maybe I defer to this thing
[25:55] Speaker 1: a little bit more. Ask a human a question. Maybe
[25:58] Speaker 1: this weekend, if you get the chance, sit it around
[26:01] Speaker 1: and work out something like what was the Madonna Madonna's
[26:05] Speaker 1: first album? Sit around with a bunch of people, work
[26:08] Speaker 1: it out, then check on the phone. Just a simple
[26:11] Speaker 1: bit of advice from old uncle Paul, or your mate
[26:14] Speaker 1: Uncle Paul, or your TV grandson Uncle Paul. Whatever it
[26:18] Speaker 1: happens to be all right, because it want us to
[26:21] Speaker 1: be as strong as possible mentally, physically, all the rest
[26:24] Speaker 1: of it going into the next phases of our lives. Now,
[26:31] Speaker 1: I want to get to hear a story in and
[26:33] Speaker 1: around free movement around the European Union. Now, as you know,
[26:38] Speaker 1: there's been a crazy story over the weekend where sixty
[26:42] Speaker 1: thousand people rush their way from Morocco into Spain. This
[26:46] Speaker 1: is literally how can you put it any other way? Right?
[26:50] Speaker 1: I know, if I say invasion, then I'll land up
[26:52] Speaker 1: on media watch pretending there's something racist about this. No,
[26:54] Speaker 1: but if sixty thousand people came across your national border
[26:57] Speaker 1: at once uninvited, that would feel like one right. Thankfully,
[27:01] Speaker 1: the Spanish authorities were able to turn them around, boot
[27:04] Speaker 1: him in the backside and send them home. But a
[27:06] Speaker 1: major weakness in the way things work is that if
[27:09] Speaker 1: you get to Europe, you can basically travel all around Europe.
[27:13] Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons why Brexit had to happen,
[27:16] Speaker 1: was that there wasn't the legal ability to be able
[27:18] Speaker 1: to go from Africa, the Middle East, whatever, push you
[27:22] Speaker 1: way into the weakest part of Europe and then qualify
[27:25] Speaker 1: to go anywhere in Europe. So much so that there
[27:28] Speaker 1: is actually a conversation happening as we speak that maybe,
[27:31] Speaker 1: just maybe you're gonna have to pull your passport out again.
[27:34] Speaker 1: Now I understand why you may not need a visa,
[27:36] Speaker 1: but definitely you should have documents. And yes, it might
[27:39] Speaker 1: mean two minutes to thirty minutes longer at an airport
[27:43] Speaker 1: or a train station or something like that. But to me,
[27:46] Speaker 1: that is a good idea, that is a safe idea.
[27:49] Speaker 1: We'll debate that in a whole lot more in a
[27:51] Speaker 1: moment or two time here on Paul Murray Live. I've
[27:53] Speaker 1: go an awful lot to talk about, including in Victoria.
[27:56] Speaker 1: Tomorrow Paul and Hanson will announce whom their leader is.
[27:59] Speaker 1: Will also announced many of their candidates, and Ben Carroll,
[28:03] Speaker 1: the Labor Party leader, well, he thinks that he's able
[28:06] Speaker 1: to charm his way to another four years of power
[28:09] Speaker 1: for the dirty government that has changed its leader. But
[28:13] Speaker 1: my goodness, has it changed its ways. We'll all find
[28:15] Speaker 1: out together more on a sec here on Paul Murray Life.
[28:17] Speaker 1: Thanks for watching this Sunday night. Hope your footy team
[28:20] Speaker 1: got up. If not, neither didn't mine. Welcome back, hopefully
[28:27] Speaker 1: having a lovely Sunday. Certainly a massive weekend. By the way,
[28:30] Speaker 1: I had that experience of just maximum overload this afternoon
[28:33] Speaker 1: while I was watching all the sport I wanted to
[28:36] Speaker 1: on KO This afternoon. I had the Supercars and then
[28:38] Speaker 1: that multi channel thing where you're able to go and
[28:40] Speaker 1: see the Tigers losing, and then AFL as well, just
[28:44] Speaker 1: a lot of sport. It was like a part of
[28:45] Speaker 1: it's just me and Chase while I'm doing the prep
[28:47] Speaker 1: for the show. It was good stuff anyway, Michael Kroger,
[28:50] Speaker 1: I'm sure yours was a sporting or otherwise intellectual overload
[28:54] Speaker 1: in Victoria. None on the wonderful Kristin Abram, of course
[28:56] Speaker 1: a freethinker, and she is running as an independent in
[28:59] Speaker 1: the seat of Rankston at the upcoming Victorian election. But Michael,
[29:02] Speaker 1: what do you think about this? This new pole that
[29:04] Speaker 1: yet again shows one Nation back on top. It does
[29:07] Speaker 1: also show growth for the coalition. This is sort of
[29:12] Speaker 1: counter narrative because the poles had sort of moved into
[29:15] Speaker 1: labor back on top and maybe one nation tapping out
[29:19] Speaker 1: or no again, we're back basically where we were a
[29:21] Speaker 1: month ago.
[29:23] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surprised, like you, the one nation vote should
[29:27] Speaker 6: have gone down because, as you say, the political wind
[29:30] Speaker 6: has sort of been slowly blowing against them in the
[29:32] Speaker 6: last month. So I'm a bit surprised to see it
[29:34] Speaker 6: back on top. But I've got enormous respect for Redbridge,
[29:38] Speaker 6: so accept their pole.
[29:40] Speaker 1: Again.
[29:41] Speaker 6: The Coalition vote keeps increasing because why because when the
[29:44] Speaker 6: country talks about economics, the liberal vote will go up.
[29:48] Speaker 6: And so that's an article of faith that anyone understands politics.
[29:51] Speaker 6: So what a shows they made is that Albanize is
[29:55] Speaker 6: on the nose everywhere. People are sick of this bloke
[29:57] Speaker 6: and this garment thing today is just as you've pointed out,
[30:00] Speaker 6: another lie. I mean, who can trust this bloke? Not
[30:03] Speaker 6: even the First Nations people, the Indigenous australianers can trust
[30:07] Speaker 6: the word he says. So I think he's in trouble.
[30:09] Speaker 6: And as we say, if you add up the Liberal
[30:11] Speaker 6: one nation Liberal National Party one nation vote, you got
[30:14] Speaker 6: fifty three. If you add up the Green's labor vote,
[30:16] Speaker 6: you got thirty nine. That equals trouble for labor the
[30:19] Speaker 6: internet year or early in twenty eight.
[30:21] Speaker 1: Mate, Yeah, I know, I agree completely. Christen. Again, you've
[30:24] Speaker 1: been here when the numbers are slightly up, the numbers
[30:25] Speaker 1: are slightly dan, when we've been talking about monoculture, or
[30:29] Speaker 1: we've been talking about the government dropping the ball. What's
[30:31] Speaker 1: your thought of this?
[30:34] Speaker 8: Look. I think it's going to continue to do this
[30:36] Speaker 8: until the next federal election. And if there's anything that
[30:39] Speaker 8: we can be sure of, it's that the Labor Party
[30:41] Speaker 8: is scared. Because I heard that the reason why they
[30:44] Speaker 8: rolled just center Allen was because the Federal Labor Party
[30:47] Speaker 8: got involved. Because sixty four percent of Victorians said that
[30:50] Speaker 8: they are just into Allen's performance would actually impact how
[30:54] Speaker 8: they vote federally. So the Labor Party has done this
[30:58] Speaker 8: and they're hoping that they're going to use torri Or
[31:00] Speaker 8: Is a testing ground. They're then going to take it
[31:02] Speaker 8: to the New South Wales state election in March and
[31:05] Speaker 8: hopefully they're going to be able to entrench themselves, you know,
[31:09] Speaker 8: hopefully if they're not asked and entrench themselves like they
[31:12] Speaker 8: have in Victoria.
[31:13] Speaker 1: Well, this is the play, right, so obviously we are
[31:15] Speaker 1: going to get the full and first test, which is
[31:18] Speaker 1: to pretend one nation that lives nothing but the same.
[31:21] Speaker 1: They're all the same, you know, Pretend that Paul and
[31:23] Speaker 1: Ensen's running when Paul and Nsen's not running, Pretending Jess
[31:25] Speaker 1: Wilson is technically sort of you know, a Western Australian senate,
[31:29] Speaker 1: you know, all the games, right. But interestingly, I was
[31:32] Speaker 1: watching the brand new premiere who was trying to reach
[31:35] Speaker 1: out to soften himself to perhaps fight against some of
[31:38] Speaker 1: the memes. He had a conversation with the Sunday Herald
[31:41] Speaker 1: Son today and well, for what you will, this is
[31:43] Speaker 1: something that Alan or Andrews wouldn't have done.
[31:46] Speaker 3: I'm relatable reliable and hard working.
[31:51] Speaker 7: I'm everyday ben suburban dad.
[31:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, I must say if you have to tell people
[31:58] Speaker 1: you're relatable. But still again it is in use to
[32:00] Speaker 1: himself here. We've all followed the fortunes of this government, Michael.
[32:05] Speaker 1: But what if about the rebrand scares you?
[32:09] Speaker 6: Well, he's not just cinder Allen. That's the main thing
[32:12] Speaker 6: that scares you, because she was, as we know, had
[32:15] Speaker 6: a disapproval rating of seventy one percent. Look, what Carol's
[32:19] Speaker 6: doing is following the Peter Beatty two thousand and four
[32:21] Speaker 6: playbook collection Playbook, which is they've dost that off. This
[32:24] Speaker 6: is where Betty was Premier. There'd been an enormous scandal
[32:28] Speaker 6: in child protection in Queensland, and Betty gave that great
[32:31] Speaker 6: press conference where he said he was launching his campaign
[32:34] Speaker 6: to improve the child safety in Queensland. He's going to
[32:36] Speaker 6: set up a Department of Child Safety, and on and
[32:38] Speaker 6: on he went about how he's going to fix the
[32:40] Speaker 6: child safety problem, and a Journey said to him, but Premier,
[32:43] Speaker 6: this has all happened on your watch. You're the person
[32:46] Speaker 6: responsible for this mess. To achieve he said, yes, and
[32:49] Speaker 6: I'm the only one that can fix it and then
[32:51] Speaker 6: because he was such a great, great media performance and
[32:53] Speaker 6: a performer and very persuasive, he convinced the elector that
[32:57] Speaker 6: he was the only one that could fix his problem,
[32:58] Speaker 6: and he won the election of Lands. Now Carol is saying,
[33:02] Speaker 6: we've got this tremendous corruption problem in Victory. We need
[33:04] Speaker 6: a royal commission to clean it up. The problem is
[33:07] Speaker 6: he's not the man to clean it up. We've also
[33:09] Speaker 6: got a crime problem here and you know we're bankrupt.
[33:12] Speaker 6: He's not Peter Beatty, right, you need Beaty skills. Ben
[33:16] Speaker 6: to me, looks Ben Carroll looks to me. You look
[33:17] Speaker 6: at his press conferences. They're very wooden, they're very nervous,
[33:20] Speaker 6: they're very rehearsed. He's not confident in what he's saying.
[33:25] Speaker 6: You know, he's not a natural performer. He can't instill
[33:28] Speaker 6: the confidence of people at beat he did in Queensland
[33:30] Speaker 6: in two o four. So look, he's not Alan, that's
[33:32] Speaker 6: the best thing going for him. But he's been there
[33:35] Speaker 6: through this whole twelve year crisis of Andrews and Allen
[33:39] Speaker 6: and he's as much to blame as anybody else.
[33:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, the thing that I think a lot
[33:44] Speaker 1: of people are wanted, expected thought of and certainly free advice,
[33:48] Speaker 1: not that they take it from us. Is that you'd
[33:50] Speaker 1: be expecting an awful lot of basically that the head
[33:52] Speaker 1: of everything goes right essentially, not just sort of who
[33:56] Speaker 1: is the person presenting the information, but who is the
[33:58] Speaker 1: person giving them, Where is the decision making? How is
[34:02] Speaker 1: that changing. There's only a couple of weeks left of
[34:05] Speaker 1: Parliament to see that sort of stuff, but we'll all
[34:08] Speaker 1: see it together. But Kristin also, I think the thing
[34:10] Speaker 1: that limits the rebranding here is that the opposition leader,
[34:14] Speaker 1: in Jess Wilson, is considered to be quite a reasonable option,
[34:18] Speaker 1: in fact, the majority option. She is not some sort
[34:20] Speaker 1: of crazy who's suggesting, you know, boot camps for kids
[34:22] Speaker 1: who swear at teachers. She's somebody who is very much
[34:26] Speaker 1: focused on, at the very least the economic argument in
[34:28] Speaker 1: all of this. So I think for Labor it's going
[34:30] Speaker 1: to be very hard to do the full uga booger
[34:33] Speaker 1: on what seems to be a very professional woman who
[34:36] Speaker 1: at the prime of her life is ready to give
[34:38] Speaker 1: the state the next ten years of her life, and
[34:41] Speaker 1: even then she's only just getting started.
[34:45] Speaker 8: I don't think that we should underestimate the Labor party here. Now,
[34:48] Speaker 8: jos Wilson is doing a good job, and she's coming
[34:51] Speaker 8: across really relatable, and she's going on her tours and
[34:53] Speaker 8: all of that kind of stuff. But what I believe
[34:55] Speaker 8: by them trying to humanize Ben Carroll through theirs is
[34:59] Speaker 8: that they're the foundation. They're bringing his wife into the
[35:02] Speaker 8: mix so that if there is anything Daisy that they
[35:04] Speaker 8: want to say about Jess Wilson after this, they're going
[35:07] Speaker 8: to get his wife to do it through letters to
[35:09] Speaker 8: the editor or talking to the media so that he
[35:12] Speaker 8: doesn't get labeled as a misogynist. Now, when Angus Taylor
[35:16] Speaker 8: rolled Susan Lay, they came after him from being a misogynist. Well,
[35:20] Speaker 8: the liberal parties staying above that here in Victoria, and
[35:24] Speaker 8: I hope that Jess Wilson and Liberal team are sitting
[35:27] Speaker 8: in strategy meetings because they have changed the driver of
[35:30] Speaker 8: the car. But do not underestimate Labor from being able
[35:34] Speaker 8: to convince the voters that the car is now a
[35:37] Speaker 8: different color and it's going in a different direction. And
[35:40] Speaker 8: if they are able to take control of the narrative,
[35:43] Speaker 8: then strap in. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
[35:45] Speaker 1: Well, and Michael, I've increasingly said that I think that
[35:48] Speaker 1: one of the great divides in Australia is no longer
[35:51] Speaker 1: less than right. Does all of that exist, yes, is
[35:53] Speaker 1: that its own clash, Yes, But I think the more
[35:55] Speaker 1: fundamental money is do you pay attention or not? Because
[35:57] Speaker 1: if you pay attention, how can you not see your
[35:59] Speaker 1: government that needed to go two terms ago. Certainly, you
[36:03] Speaker 1: know we've seen people as they start now the scales
[36:05] Speaker 1: fall from their eyes and start to see like a
[36:07] Speaker 1: Dave Hughes. Oh hang on, I've been let up the
[36:09] Speaker 1: garden path. Yeah, we've been telling lots of people for
[36:11] Speaker 1: a long time. But certainly the other factor inside all
[36:14] Speaker 1: of this is the one nation factor. Now again, they're
[36:16] Speaker 1: polled very well. They're the empty chair, They're the none
[36:18] Speaker 1: of the above. Tomorrow is when you get to see
[36:21] Speaker 1: some butts on seats who will be sitting in the
[36:24] Speaker 1: empty chair. Well, they have sold out an event which
[36:27] Speaker 1: is going to be taking place in Hawthorne tomorrow where
[36:30] Speaker 1: they will be announcing all of the candidates. They've also
[36:32] Speaker 1: announced thirteen hundred volunteers signed up to the Victorian campaign
[36:38] Speaker 1: in just twenty four hours. Michael is a man who
[36:41] Speaker 1: knows how to run win and sadly occasionally just occasionally
[36:46] Speaker 1: not win. Let me just put it that way, how
[36:48] Speaker 1: important is it the thirteen hundred people in twenty four
[36:51] Speaker 1: hours they say they're willing to go out there and
[36:53] Speaker 1: fight for you.
[36:55] Speaker 6: So you need those people because we have a system
[36:58] Speaker 6: in this country where you have to and out out
[37:00] Speaker 6: of eight cups. You don't have to, but you should
[37:02] Speaker 6: in order to maximize you vote. So to have that
[37:04] Speaker 6: many people handing out in seats where one nation can
[37:07] Speaker 6: win is obviously very helpful to them. I think the
[37:10] Speaker 6: main thing tomorrow is not so much the Upper House candidates.
[37:12] Speaker 6: We're all waiting to see who the One Nation leader
[37:14] Speaker 6: is in Victoria. Now Hanson like or not. She's a
[37:18] Speaker 6: very strong leader from Queensland. She has a very strong
[37:22] Speaker 6: brand across the country. Is what she stands for. They
[37:24] Speaker 6: know I've got Bonnardi in South Australia who's a very
[37:26] Speaker 6: well known, highly credentialed South Australian ex senator, so a
[37:31] Speaker 6: well known name here in Victoria. One Nation has suffered
[37:34] Speaker 6: from not having a leader, not having any real policies,
[37:36] Speaker 6: just being basically seen as a Victorian outpost of Queensland.
[37:40] Speaker 6: So who they picked for leader if it's announced tomorrow
[37:42] Speaker 6: is very important. The best person for One Nation is
[37:45] Speaker 6: obviously Adam Giles, and I'll be honest, he would be formidable.
[37:49] Speaker 6: He's effectively a former premier. He was the chief medicine
[37:52] Speaker 6: the Northern Territory. So if you pick Adam Giles as
[37:55] Speaker 6: your leader, and Giles lives in Victoria, he would be
[37:57] Speaker 6: a very formidable figure. You know, if he's their choice,
[38:02] Speaker 6: they're going to do well.
[38:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean also it's something about you know, I
[38:05] Speaker 1: mean one Nation basically most of it's going to be incoming.
[38:07] Speaker 1: You have to have somebody who's able to handle that.
[38:10] Speaker 1: Hence why we've seen people like Mark Latham at one
[38:13] Speaker 1: point in New South Wales. Obviously that all went to
[38:15] Speaker 1: pot in South Australia Corey Bernardi, because the reality is
[38:19] Speaker 1: is that most of the media is going to be
[38:21] Speaker 1: there trying to catch you out. You have to have
[38:23] Speaker 1: somebody who's got the swagger, got the confidence to be
[38:25] Speaker 1: able to go effectively into the lions den and to
[38:28] Speaker 1: be able to bat away a batter way bat a
[38:30] Speaker 1: way and also talk up and around those people via
[38:33] Speaker 1: social media. But Kristin I wanted to ask you as
[38:35] Speaker 1: somebody who is trying to go out on their own,
[38:37] Speaker 1: trying to mount a campaign in the seat of Frankston. Obviously,
[38:42] Speaker 1: it's frustrating that every time we get on here, I'm
[38:44] Speaker 1: going to talk about major party politics or even minor
[38:47] Speaker 1: party politics. But obviously I'm not really going to focus
[38:49] Speaker 1: in on the individual shopping list in a particular seat.
[38:53] Speaker 1: No offense, but we are at national program. But just
[38:55] Speaker 1: as a candidate, how exhausting is it to try to
[39:00] Speaker 1: be something else when there's something else at this election
[39:04] Speaker 1: in Victoria seems to be well, let's find out what
[39:06] Speaker 1: one nation is first.
[39:09] Speaker 8: I don't know. I think it's kind of beautiful that
[39:11] Speaker 8: people are paying attention for the first time, Paul. It's
[39:15] Speaker 8: this gorgeous you know, apathy is being removed from you know, politics,
[39:20] Speaker 8: and it's because we're going through hard times at the moment,
[39:23] Speaker 8: and you know, that's sad that we all had to
[39:25] Speaker 8: start paying attention. It's beautiful in the polling booth on
[39:29] Speaker 8: the hustings at the moment compared to in twenty twenty two,
[39:33] Speaker 8: when people didn't want to talk about politics it was
[39:35] Speaker 8: still taboo. So I've had a lot of people actually
[39:38] Speaker 8: say to me when I'm handing out flyers in Frankston,
[39:40] Speaker 8: They're like, oh, just you know, one nation, one nation,
[39:43] Speaker 8: and I'm like, hold on a second, you can put.
[39:44] Speaker 1: Me number one.
[39:45] Speaker 8: At least I'm already out here campaigning. There's no One
[39:48] Speaker 8: Nation candidate out here, and I might add it's getting
[39:51] Speaker 8: pretty lonely on the hustings. The labor incumbent is worried
[39:55] Speaker 8: about the cabinet reshuffle that's coming up here for in Victoria.
[39:59] Speaker 8: There's no Liberal candidate to be found in Frankston. And
[40:02] Speaker 8: I'm glad that one nation's going to announce some candidates
[40:04] Speaker 8: because you know, let's give democracy a good crack.
[40:07] Speaker 1: All right, I'm over time. We're going to get to
[40:08] Speaker 1: make Dolan in the UK. But Kristen, what is your socials?
[40:10] Speaker 1: How do people get in touch? Here's the free plug
[40:12] Speaker 1: because I want people to be able to learn about
[40:14] Speaker 1: what you stand for and then they make their choice.
[40:17] Speaker 8: So it's Kristin FORFKN dot com. So I'm on Instagram.
[40:22] Speaker 8: My forward slash is Kristen for FKN as well. That
[40:25] Speaker 8: is Frankston Train stations did have three letter abbreviation, and
[40:29] Speaker 8: that is Frankston's trains station three letter abbreviation.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Excellent. I'm not going to say anything that's rolling around
[40:35] Speaker 1: in my head and what it might also be some
[40:36] Speaker 1: sort of a cutdown forward. Appreciate it. Thank you again, Michael.
[40:40] Speaker 1: We'll see you again, so thank you guys. Quick break
[40:42] Speaker 1: back with more. Let's go to the UK where we're
[40:44] Speaker 1: going to talk about what happened in Spain. About sixty
[40:47] Speaker 1: thousand people came in from another country in one afternoon.
[40:52] Speaker 1: You think this is okay? Thankfully Spain said no. But
[40:56] Speaker 1: is it a sign of what has already been happening
[40:58] Speaker 1: in Europe for too long? Is this the line in
[41:00] Speaker 1: the sand where the great continent will wake up? Mark Dolan? Next?
[41:08] Speaker 1: We always look forward to our chat with Mark Dolan.
[41:10] Speaker 1: That's where we know that our week is often running
[41:12] Speaker 1: every single Sunday night, where he is enjoying Sunday in
[41:15] Speaker 1: the middle of the day in beautiful London. He's of
[41:17] Speaker 1: course a talk TV you can find him on YouTube
[41:18] Speaker 1: as well, and his microphone is just as impressive as mine. Mike,
[41:23] Speaker 1: Mark Halo, my friend. Now let's talk about this. Sixty
[41:26] Speaker 1: thousand people effectively go around a fence, right, this is
[41:30] Speaker 1: a football stadium of people at once invading a country,
[41:35] Speaker 1: right now? Were they there with guns? Were they there
[41:37] Speaker 1: for the great replacement theory?
[41:38] Speaker 2: No?
[41:38] Speaker 1: But let's be honest. If sixty thousand people jumped over
[41:41] Speaker 1: your back fence, you wouldn't consider it just people turning up.
[41:46] Speaker 1: What does this say about a red line for the EU?
[41:49] Speaker 1: And maybe just maybe the end of no passport and
[41:52] Speaker 1: free movement in the EU?
[41:55] Speaker 7: Well, your rights to identify the current state of relations
[41:59] Speaker 7: within the E. You because the member states are fighting
[42:03] Speaker 7: like rats in a sack. Macron's not happy. You've got Sanchez,
[42:06] Speaker 7: who's the Prime Minister of Spain, in a diplomatic row
[42:10] Speaker 7: with Maloney, George Maloney, the Italian Prime Minister, who quite
[42:14] Speaker 7: rightly is putting her people first and has effectively closed
[42:18] Speaker 7: the border to Spain. Now that it might be a
[42:19] Speaker 7: political gesture, but it's also important messaging. And the big
[42:23] Speaker 7: problem that the EU has is that it's signed up
[42:26] Speaker 7: to a lot of treaties and agreements, particularly the ECHR,
[42:31] Speaker 7: the European Court of Human Rights, and the issue with
[42:35] Speaker 7: that is that it stops you deporting illegal immigrants. And
[42:39] Speaker 7: what's happened this week is that the Supreme Court of
[42:43] Speaker 7: Spain have issued a judgment laid down a judgment saying
[42:47] Speaker 7: if you get to Spain, this Spanish territory by water, basically,
[42:51] Speaker 7: if you swim to this enclave, you stay. And our
[42:55] Speaker 7: understanding is that all of these chaps found out about it,
[42:58] Speaker 7: predominantly young, fighting age man, and they crossed the water. Tragically,
[43:03] Speaker 7: over sixty people perished in the sea. Now, Paul, a
[43:07] Speaker 7: lot of people are saying, nothing to see here. This
[43:10] Speaker 7: is a geopolitical story about relations with Morocco and Angio Algeria. No,
[43:16] Speaker 7: I'm not taking that because, like you said, it is
[43:18] Speaker 7: a line in the sand, it's a red flag and
[43:21] Speaker 7: it's a wake up moment.
[43:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, Right, we understand here, Okay, everyone
[43:27] Speaker 1: agrees there is a system where if you want to
[43:29] Speaker 1: apply for refugee status the nearest safest country. We understand
[43:32] Speaker 1: all of that, right. We understand the need for people
[43:34] Speaker 1: to escape war torn situations. We also understand there are
[43:37] Speaker 1: people who want to overcome their own financial circumstances. Okay,
[43:41] Speaker 1: but there is an orderly process for that. It has
[43:44] Speaker 1: existed for as long as there has been time. The
[43:47] Speaker 1: reality is that the ease of transport, the technology end
[43:52] Speaker 1: this idea that if you can get here, you can stay,
[43:56] Speaker 1: which is sort of relatively new to the human experience,
[44:00] Speaker 1: is one that is getting us where we are right now.
[44:03] Speaker 1: And I mean again, look, the truth about the European Union,
[44:07] Speaker 1: right is that obviously strength in numbers when it comes
[44:10] Speaker 1: to trade, good strength and numbers when it comes to defense,
[44:13] Speaker 1: good strength and numbers when it comes to currency may
[44:16] Speaker 1: be because you're only as strong as the weakest member.
[44:19] Speaker 1: But equally, when it comes to the travel of human beings,
[44:23] Speaker 1: you need to have a grid of countries that operate
[44:27] Speaker 1: effectively as the fence ahead of your country, and the
[44:31] Speaker 1: countries that are closest to the outer rims of that. Right,
[44:34] Speaker 1: so say like as close to Ukraine, obviously not Ukraine,
[44:39] Speaker 1: they need the most amount of international support, as do
[44:42] Speaker 1: the countries that are closest to those that are at
[44:45] Speaker 1: the very bottom of the continent. Surely that's where people are,
[44:49] Speaker 1: even if they are sort of you know, free love lefties.
[44:53] Speaker 7: Well, you're totally right about that. And what's interesting is
[44:56] Speaker 7: that the United Kingdom is in a rare position where
[44:59] Speaker 7: we can can exit this each year ECCHR that I
[45:02] Speaker 7: was telling you about, because we're not in the European
[45:05] Speaker 7: Union if Nigel Farage, for example, becomes Prime Minister, he
[45:09] Speaker 7: can pull those levers and we can stop the votes.
[45:11] Speaker 7: We can have the equivalent of Operation Sovereign Borders, and
[45:15] Speaker 7: my goodness, the British public want that, even voters on
[45:18] Speaker 7: the left. The EU will never stop illegal immigration and
[45:23] Speaker 7: that's why this is an existential threat to the block.
[45:25] Speaker 7: And there's such a difference between where the political establishment
[45:29] Speaker 7: are and where the people are across Europe. The public
[45:32] Speaker 7: are furious, but I'm afraid to say nothing will change.
[45:34] Speaker 7: And just a quick line, Paul on the numbers. Sixty
[45:38] Speaker 7: thousand men in a day. That is wild, It was apocalyptic.
[45:42] Speaker 7: And here's the issue. People are saying, oh is a
[45:45] Speaker 7: one off geopolitical row. Well, wait a minute. In the
[45:49] Speaker 7: United Kingdom, we have a theater every single day, a
[45:53] Speaker 7: mini theater. So for example, on Wednesday, seven hundred and
[45:58] Speaker 7: fifty people entered the United SA Kingdom illegally. The cost
[46:01] Speaker 7: of illegal immigration to the British taxpayer is eight billion
[46:05] Speaker 7: Australian dollars a year and most of these lads will stay.
[46:10] Speaker 1: This is the point, this is the point. There's an
[46:12] Speaker 1: orderly queue. Good luck to you, right if you've got
[46:14] Speaker 1: a skill, good loaver, you want to simulate, great and
[46:16] Speaker 1: all the rest of right. But but Bud, for every
[46:18] Speaker 1: billion that's spent on that is a billion that's not
[46:20] Speaker 1: spent on healthcare, not spend on schools. And again you
[46:22] Speaker 1: just start circling the drain. Speaking of and also.
[46:25] Speaker 7: I'm afraid to say not all of these boys are
[46:27] Speaker 7: doctors and engineers, and not all of them. I'm afraid
[46:30] Speaker 7: to say our angels.
[46:32] Speaker 1: Absolutely And that's absolutely correct. That is the obvious truth here. Oh,
[46:37] Speaker 1: you talk about it, of course, go to the back
[46:39] Speaker 1: of the queue, you know, please, you will be pushed
[46:41] Speaker 1: out of polite society. Whill've been to those dinner parties.
[46:43] Speaker 1: They're boring. I prefer the real world. All right, let's
[46:46] Speaker 1: talk about Harry. Now, you are offering interesting theory here,
[46:50] Speaker 1: which is, if Harry somehow finds a way in the
[46:52] Speaker 1: side door, what does that mean to William.
[46:56] Speaker 7: Well, that's right, it's really interesting because William does not
[46:59] Speaker 7: consent to this return to the royal fold. Why because
[47:03] Speaker 7: William has a memory, he's got common sense, he's got
[47:06] Speaker 7: a heart, and he cares about the monarchy. So Prince
[47:09] Speaker 7: Harry has defamed the Royal family damaged the UK to Boots,
[47:14] Speaker 7: and William's thinking, why are we forgiving this guy? Why
[47:17] Speaker 7: are we bringing him into the royal fold. So it's
[47:19] Speaker 7: my understanding there are great tensions now between the King
[47:22] Speaker 7: and William, and what you're looking at was William he's
[47:25] Speaker 7: the barrier to Harry properly returning, but he hasn't got
[47:28] Speaker 7: the King's power because of course Charles is the head
[47:31] Speaker 7: of the family. It's only when William becomes king, but
[47:34] Speaker 7: we'll see some serious action against Harry again.
[47:38] Speaker 1: He's got a missus too, and I think his missus
[47:40] Speaker 1: has been pretty clear about how she goes and again,
[47:42] Speaker 1: happy wife, happy life, little and happy queen, happy kingdom.
[47:45] Speaker 1: Thank you very much, mate, I appreciate it. Quick breakback
[47:47] Speaker 1: with more here on Paulmurray Live, including if I can. Yeah,
[47:50] Speaker 1: we'll find some time to show you some of the
[47:51] Speaker 1: idiots on social media, otherwise known as your local politician
[47:55] Speaker 1: treating you like a dumb dumb all right, before we go,
[48:03] Speaker 1: as always, we'd like to show you the work of
[48:05] Speaker 1: those who don't really work, but they have people working
[48:07] Speaker 1: for them and their job is to make bad social
[48:09] Speaker 1: media videos like this one of the health minister.
[48:13] Speaker 5: A Leah, Remember you needed to see someone today without
[48:17] Speaker 5: an appointment.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Can't fix that, No one can.
[48:22] Speaker 6: Yes you can.
[48:22] Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe caroage and care when you can.
[48:27] Speaker 1: Leah, come here, fake conversation with a person who doesn't
[48:32] Speaker 1: exist from a film. It's not about what they were doing. Yeah, awesome?
[48:35] Speaker 1: What about this one from the Speaker of the House.
[48:38] Speaker 2: You ever look at someone and wonder what is going
[48:40] Speaker 2: on inside their head?
[48:42] Speaker 1: Dick Dick Cameron, Dick Cameron, Dick Cameron, Dick Cameron, Dick
[48:45] Speaker 1: camridicl I just wish you could make housing as affordable
[48:47] Speaker 1: for queens labors as it is for me to live
[48:50] Speaker 1: in your head. Oh, I was the treasurer who sent
[48:54] Speaker 1: the joint broke. That's the brother of the speaker, by
[48:56] Speaker 1: the way, because you know, completely crazy, the family ends
[49:00] Speaker 1: up with two people elected to parliament. All right, that's
[49:02] Speaker 1: a show for tonight. Thank you very much for watching.
[49:04] Speaker 1: Here is the latest news on News twenty four

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