# Paul Murray Live | 1 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 1 Jul 2026, 48 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/b0c297a4-7dba-4a80-a148-b47a00d52185/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The tax raid rattles the property market, asylum boat reaches far North Queensland on Albanese's watch. Plus, the documentary celebrating 250 years of America. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live
[0:06] Speaker 1: Flameall you get that feeling at the end, right, I
[0:09] Speaker 1: hope you liked it. We loved making it. It'll be
[0:13] Speaker 1: up soon at skynews dot com dot au if you
[0:15] Speaker 1: want to share it with your friends. Again, the reality
[0:17] Speaker 1: of the country is that it is incredibly complicated. There's
[0:20] Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million people there. There's so many
[0:22] Speaker 1: different stories, there's so many different angles in fairness. By
[0:25] Speaker 1: the way, to the city of San Francisco, it's the
[0:27] Speaker 1: Tenderloin district specifically that we pointed out there when it
[0:31] Speaker 1: comes to those overdoses. But you saw the passion. It's infectious, right.
[0:35] Speaker 1: I think I liked going to NASCAR. You may well
[0:37] Speaker 1: have noticed Nashville, by the way, Nashville. If you're thinking
[0:40] Speaker 1: about a party and you're going, you know Bali nat
[0:42] Speaker 1: Bug of Bali, go to Nashville, right and go on
[0:44] Speaker 1: a Friday night. You'll know why when you get there.
[0:47] Speaker 1: All right. As for the experience, there's a whole bunch
[0:50] Speaker 1: of behind the scenes photos that I could share, but again,
[0:54] Speaker 1: the team and I just want to say up front here.
[0:57] Speaker 1: John Vargat was the cameraman who took all those beautiful pictures.
[1:00] Speaker 1: Alex Garripoli was the producer who made it all happen,
[1:03] Speaker 1: the executive producer. Just these guys are best in the business.
[1:07] Speaker 1: I really learned so much about television from both of them.
[1:10] Speaker 1: But more importantly, they're both very good friends. And again
[1:13] Speaker 1: thanks to Mark Calvert headed programs here and our ce
[1:16] Speaker 1: Paul Whiticker, because without their support, that great adventure was
[1:19] Speaker 1: not possible. So I had a whale of a time,
[1:21] Speaker 1: absolute whale of a time, but hopefully we learned some
[1:23] Speaker 1: stuff along the way. All right. That's Kid Rock's house.
[1:28] Speaker 1: By the way, The outside of Kid rocks House is
[1:30] Speaker 1: the exact replica of the White House, and the garages
[1:35] Speaker 1: have got platinum records on it from all of the
[1:38] Speaker 1: article albums he's released. How cool was that Texas Sheriff?
[1:42] Speaker 1: That's of course me in the White House press room.
[1:48] Speaker 1: That's one of those houses in Natchez in Mississippi. That
[1:52] Speaker 1: was extraordinary that How did I get into this line?
[1:56] Speaker 1: I just ended up there. I'm sorry to whatever team
[1:58] Speaker 1: I accidentally disrupted by getting in the middle of their
[2:01] Speaker 1: prayer line. If you've ever been to Old Sydney Town,
[2:05] Speaker 1: Sovereign hill in one of those places, Colonial Williamsburg. Is
[2:08] Speaker 1: that on absolute steroids the Rio Grant. Yes, there were
[2:12] Speaker 1: snakes not so far from where we were standing. And
[2:14] Speaker 1: as a person doesn't like snakes, I'm looking around going
[2:17] Speaker 1: inside of jail. Oh my gosh, that's just as crazy
[2:20] Speaker 1: as you think it is. And if you get the
[2:22] Speaker 1: chest to watch about, you'll se how nervous I was.
[2:23] Speaker 1: But again, Alex and Varges, I love you boys. I
[2:26] Speaker 1: really appreciate all your hard work, all of your effort.
[2:29] Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the country that matters
[2:31] Speaker 1: way more than anyone else's, and that of course is
[2:33] Speaker 1: our own, and there is a lot to get to tonight. Now,
[2:38] Speaker 1: let us decode some of the opinion polling that is
[2:40] Speaker 1: around right now with one nation. Have you believed some
[2:43] Speaker 1: of the media, Oh, it's all over the crest, the
[2:46] Speaker 1: waivers crested, put a fork in it there, done well.
[2:49] Speaker 1: I thought I should actually compare the numbers which have
[2:53] Speaker 1: come out across multiple poles over multiple days, many and
[2:55] Speaker 1: most of them are out this week. The Sky News
[2:58] Speaker 1: pulse that we had for you last night has them
[3:00] Speaker 1: at the highest numbers they've ever been. Thirty percent Newspole
[3:04] Speaker 1: yes has them as the number two to labor, but
[3:07] Speaker 1: still twenty nine percent is pretty close to the highest
[3:09] Speaker 1: numbers they've ever had red Bridge and again there has
[3:12] Speaker 1: been a little pullback, but again the same story, the
[3:14] Speaker 1: same story, the same story. So if you're in a
[3:16] Speaker 1: scenario there with the extreme majority of twenty nine or
[3:19] Speaker 1: thirty the essential today, that's the one that comes out
[3:22] Speaker 1: in the Guardian. Well, unsurprisingly it might be just a
[3:27] Speaker 1: little off and might be the outlier there. But for
[3:31] Speaker 1: the canber media, of course, they have one task, and
[3:35] Speaker 1: that is to pull apart paul En Hanson, to pull
[3:38] Speaker 1: apart any and all of the ideas because she's had
[3:41] Speaker 1: too free a ride for too long. We've moved on
[3:43] Speaker 1: from the government and the lies they've told and the
[3:46] Speaker 1: laws they've changed, and now it's time just to shout
[3:49] Speaker 1: the word monoculture as many times as possible at Pauline.
[3:52] Speaker 2: Aands in your monoculture, can people speak a different language home?
[3:56] Speaker 2: Can they practice a different religion? If they can any
[3:58] Speaker 2: different foods? Is multiculturalism, isn't it? I really want to
[4:09] Speaker 2: try and understand your version of monoculture sounds like multi
[4:12] Speaker 2: Howard and Tony Abbott and other leaders around the world
[4:15] Speaker 2: have said multiculturalism doesn't work. Go and research that understand
[4:19] Speaker 2: what a more current We are one nation we are.
[4:24] Speaker 1: We are one nation we are, and it should be
[4:26] Speaker 1: one language. Not unfair. Now, of course you can say
[4:30] Speaker 1: whatever you want to speak, whatever you want at home.
[4:31] Speaker 1: It's the idea that when you go into something that
[4:34] Speaker 1: represents the state of federal government, that there should only
[4:36] Speaker 1: be one language. There should only be one language in
[4:38] Speaker 1: the parliament. Why so we can all understand each other.
[4:43] Speaker 1: Now again in the polling. One of the efforts that
[4:47] Speaker 1: clearly was there with the Essential poll today and again
[4:49] Speaker 1: it comes out in the Turmbul Times, it comes out
[4:50] Speaker 1: in the Guardian was again to sort of find the
[4:53] Speaker 1: wholes that are there in the one nation story. The
[4:56] Speaker 1: only problem was they're not actually as prominent as maybe
[5:00] Speaker 1: their headlines made out. Now. The blue here the darkie
[5:03] Speaker 1: get means I definitely vote for one Nation Labor or
[5:06] Speaker 1: the Liberals. The light blue is I would be open
[5:09] Speaker 1: to voting for them obviously, the orange is a hell no.
[5:12] Speaker 1: And then the rest is undecided. So we can all
[5:14] Speaker 1: do our maths together here, right, fifty two percent of
[5:19] Speaker 1: people are either voting for or open to voting for
[5:22] Speaker 1: one nation. Now, will that be the final number they
[5:25] Speaker 1: get to it an election? No, But the idea that, oh, well,
[5:28] Speaker 1: they haven't passed the threshold of being able to get
[5:30] Speaker 1: close to winning an election, let alone maybe winning an election. No,
[5:33] Speaker 1: not true. Now Labour still open to again more than
[5:37] Speaker 1: half of the population. The lips, Well, they don't crack
[5:39] Speaker 1: fifty They don't crack the fifty percent when it comes
[5:42] Speaker 1: to those that are either going to vote for them
[5:44] Speaker 1: or are going to think about voting for them. But
[5:47] Speaker 1: then there was another attempt to spin the ball that
[5:50] Speaker 1: if you only half pay attention, that the story in
[5:53] Speaker 1: and around one nation is one of a very niche appeal,
[5:56] Speaker 1: despite the fact that you just saw in their own
[5:57] Speaker 1: poll more than half of the country either voting for
[6:00] Speaker 1: them or considering voting for them. So they decided to
[6:04] Speaker 1: put a series of policies and write them in the well,
[6:07] Speaker 1: how do I say, meanest way possible to see what
[6:11] Speaker 1: public opinion was at issues such as stopping abortion. At
[6:14] Speaker 1: twenty weeks, only twenty six percent of people outright support
[6:17] Speaker 1: that stop the transition from renewables focus on fossil fuels.
[6:20] Speaker 1: Twenty five percent, and multiculturalism twenty percent, and so on
[6:24] Speaker 1: and so on and so on. Privatize the ABC fifteen percent,
[6:27] Speaker 1: shut down SBS eleven percent. So what now? Of course,
[6:32] Speaker 1: the idea that the number one thing that one nation
[6:35] Speaker 1: is about is apparently stopping abortion after twenty weeks. Please,
[6:40] Speaker 1: But when you actually unpack the numbers, if you bother
[6:42] Speaker 1: to click beyond the headline, are those who are the
[6:46] Speaker 1: majority of the country that are either thinking about or
[6:50] Speaker 1: are going to vote for one nation? Those the blue
[6:53] Speaker 1: You can see that when you add them together, they're
[6:56] Speaker 1: pretty solid as to where at least half of the
[6:59] Speaker 1: country is now. I don't know that about all of
[7:01] Speaker 1: these issues, but still, don't you love again the turnabule.
[7:05] Speaker 1: Time's hardly interested in saying that more than half the
[7:07] Speaker 1: country thinking about voting for one nation, more than half
[7:10] Speaker 1: the people that are planning to vote for one nation,
[7:12] Speaker 1: agree about the switch towards renewables being a problem right
[7:16] Speaker 1: now in multiculturalism, or don't report that number back at all.
[7:21] Speaker 1: But then what about this? For as I've told you before,
[7:23] Speaker 1: the way that they think there's vulnerability in one nation,
[7:26] Speaker 1: which is to peel off the labor one nation. Curious voters,
[7:29] Speaker 1: review work laws to give more employers more power. And
[7:36] Speaker 1: as for privatize the ABC shutdown at the SBS, no, even,
[7:40] Speaker 1: of course, of the people that are backing in One Nation,
[7:43] Speaker 1: it is not a majority position of the significant number
[7:46] Speaker 1: of people of those who are thinking about doing it.
[7:48] Speaker 1: But the whole point is to say this, It ain't
[7:52] Speaker 1: ding Dong the party is dead now. Yes, has there
[7:54] Speaker 1: been a little bit of a topping off, no question.
[7:57] Speaker 1: Are some of the demographics starting to move around, you
[7:59] Speaker 1: bet you. But unbelievably, as cos Samaras told us last night,
[8:02] Speaker 1: and he is certainly no fan of the monoculture debate,
[8:06] Speaker 1: he thinks that right now, based on poling, One Nation
[8:08] Speaker 1: could not just become the opposition, but actually win the
[8:12] Speaker 1: Victorian election. Now that's a big claim to make because
[8:16] Speaker 1: of the dissatisfaction that exists currently with the Labor government
[8:19] Speaker 1: in Victoria. They don't have a leader, they don't have policies,
[8:22] Speaker 1: and they don't have candidates. So it is the empty
[8:23] Speaker 1: chair that seems to be doing particularly well right now.
[8:27] Speaker 1: But even were the person in the chair and multiple
[8:29] Speaker 1: senators and MPs, the devil is always in the detail,
[8:33] Speaker 1: So don't just see the headline, click it, read it,
[8:37] Speaker 1: go into the data that is all behind it. Now.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Of course, the Prime Minister thinks that you will completely
[8:43] Speaker 1: forget about the lie is that he told in relation
[8:46] Speaker 1: to the budget. You know it was months ago. Who cares, right?
[8:50] Speaker 1: He of course will also want you to completely forget
[8:53] Speaker 1: that the reason that they're changing taxes on small businesses
[8:57] Speaker 1: and family trusts has something to do with the youngest
[9:00] Speaker 1: memory of your family being able to get into the
[9:02] Speaker 1: property market. And you would also know that the reality
[9:07] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister cannot avoid yet does not want to own,
[9:11] Speaker 1: is that the value of homes in Australia since the budget,
[9:15] Speaker 1: since the high interest rates two of the three increases
[9:18] Speaker 1: this year, which had nothing to do with the Iran
[9:20] Speaker 1: War by the way, they were because of the failure
[9:23] Speaker 1: to actually deal with inflation. Well, of course, that means
[9:27] Speaker 1: the value of your home has gone down. Now. Remember
[9:31] Speaker 1: you want the value of your home to be as
[9:32] Speaker 1: high as possible. Why because you need as much of
[9:35] Speaker 1: that money to pay for age care and god forbid,
[9:37] Speaker 1: actually to have something left over for the kids when
[9:40] Speaker 1: the time is there.
[9:43] Speaker 3: Markets like Sydney and Melbourne have been seeing prices fall
[9:46] Speaker 3: for several months Canber as well. But we're now seeing
[9:49] Speaker 3: the other capital cities join the party, and even in
[9:52] Speaker 3: those regional markets, we're seeing that the rate of price
[9:54] Speaker 3: growth is slowing. So over the month values were down
[9:58] Speaker 3: zero point three percent. We saw no change in the
[10:02] Speaker 3: regional markets, but one point four percent fall across the
[10:05] Speaker 3: combined capital cities.
[10:06] Speaker 4: It's seen values in some capitals tumble.
[10:09] Speaker 5: If you own a home in Sydney, for example, according
[10:11] Speaker 5: to Domain, it's going to lose more than one hundred
[10:14] Speaker 5: and twenty thousand dollars in value.
[10:15] Speaker 2: That's over the next twelve months.
[10:17] Speaker 6: Negativity has now spread to all major capital cities. Until now,
[10:21] Speaker 6: there've been a two speed market operating in Australia where
[10:24] Speaker 6: Sydney and Melbourne values have been falling while Perth, Brisbane
[10:27] Speaker 6: and Adelaide were still performing strongly. Now that's all changed,
[10:30] Speaker 6: with Perth joining Sydney and suffering the highest value fall
[10:33] Speaker 6: for the month at zero point five percent. Now that
[10:35] Speaker 6: doesn't sound a lot, but string a year of those
[10:38] Speaker 6: together and it's a six percent.
[10:39] Speaker 1: Fall, So okay. Great. If the value of a home
[10:43] Speaker 1: goes down, then the sticker price gets better for the
[10:46] Speaker 1: people that are putting their hand up to bid right now.
[10:48] Speaker 1: The government has, just as it has all the way
[10:50] Speaker 1: through the budgets, sort of been arguing that this is
[10:53] Speaker 1: the point, but then pretending it's not really happening. And
[10:55] Speaker 1: remember clueless clearro nearly saying well, no, it's not really
[10:58] Speaker 1: happening because it's when you think about it through this lens,
[11:00] Speaker 1: it's really only just a lack of growth in house prices.
[11:04] Speaker 1: But remember house prices is what is somebody willing to
[11:07] Speaker 1: pay for your house, and everyone wants as much as possible,
[11:10] Speaker 1: why I repeat, to pay for the back nine. But
[11:13] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, well he's found a new way of
[11:16] Speaker 1: telling you that down is up or up is down.
[11:20] Speaker 7: You don't assess things like property on the basis of
[11:24] Speaker 7: a day to day basis. What you do is assess
[11:27] Speaker 7: what will happen, and Treasury have done that as a
[11:31] Speaker 7: result of these changes will be increased in the value
[11:34] Speaker 7: of houses, will be slightly less two percent to be precise,
[11:38] Speaker 7: than it would have been otherwise.
[11:41] Speaker 1: So I wonder why Anthony Ibernezi might be an expert
[11:44] Speaker 1: in looking at property over time. Oh that's right, he's
[11:48] Speaker 1: of course been able to amass multi millions of dollars
[11:51] Speaker 1: worth of property portfolio that ultimately results in the house
[11:54] Speaker 1: on the Hill in Copacabana. As for the opposition, they
[11:58] Speaker 1: believe that when it comes to interest, always back self
[12:01] Speaker 1: interest and when it comes to people that own or
[12:03] Speaker 1: are paying off a home. As much as we would
[12:05] Speaker 1: all love it to be easy for people to buy
[12:07] Speaker 1: their first home, once you've got one, you need it
[12:10] Speaker 1: to be worth more, not less.
[12:13] Speaker 8: Jim Chalmers has crashed the confidence of the Australian economy
[12:16] Speaker 8: since his federal budgets are only now nearly two months ago.
[12:22] Speaker 8: What's happened is crisis of confidence in the Australian economy.
[12:26] Speaker 8: Had record small business inslvmentcies, record low small business confidence,
[12:31] Speaker 8: record low consumer confidence. So what a shock we've got
[12:34] Speaker 8: record low investor confidence.
[12:36] Speaker 9: Well, the Prime Minister guarantee house prices won't fall any further.
[12:40] Speaker 9: The Prime Minister hasn't even attempted to answer the question
[12:44] Speaker 9: of whether he will guarantee that house prices won't fall further.
[12:48] Speaker 9: He needs to address the question that was asked, yes.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Order the manager can help, I'm allowed to say it.
[12:55] Speaker 1: That's my job, and I don't need the Pean Art
[12:58] Speaker 1: Gallery intellet. And then there of course is the giant
[13:05] Speaker 1: concern that is the Reserve Bank. Now again, you can
[13:08] Speaker 1: absolutely get vertigo trying to work out what's going to
[13:11] Speaker 1: happen next month, the month after, the month after that.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Should it stay the same, will it go up because
[13:15] Speaker 1: of low unemployment? Will it go up because you know
[13:19] Speaker 1: how it works right? Well again, experts speaking of sky
[13:22] Speaker 1: onies dot com that are you today have said that
[13:24] Speaker 1: mortgage pain is more than likely. Why because there's an
[13:27] Speaker 1: expectation of a fourth interest rate rise and that may
[13:31] Speaker 1: happen before the end of the year. Now, all of that,
[13:33] Speaker 1: of course is a worry because there is a very
[13:36] Speaker 1: significant number of Australians that are having trouble paying off
[13:39] Speaker 1: their home. The people that are in red here are
[13:42] Speaker 1: the ones who are an extreme risk of mortgage stress.
[13:45] Speaker 1: This is when put simply, the amount you are paying
[13:48] Speaker 1: for the mortgage is way above your ability to actually
[13:51] Speaker 1: pay for that and the rest of your life. Those
[13:54] Speaker 1: that are at risk. The number goes hi. You can
[13:56] Speaker 1: see that we are in one of the worst numbers
[13:59] Speaker 1: for the best part of what at least fifteen maybe
[14:03] Speaker 1: almost twenty years. You've got to go all the way
[14:04] Speaker 1: back to what two thousand and eight to find numbers
[14:07] Speaker 1: that are similar, and part of the people who are
[14:10] Speaker 1: really nervous right now are the ones who were supposedly
[14:15] Speaker 1: helped out by this government. Now, I don't hate the
[14:17] Speaker 1: idea of the five percent deposit because, as I've discussed before,
[14:21] Speaker 1: the deposit is really the biggest problem when it comes
[14:23] Speaker 1: to purchasing in Australia because, let's say round numbers, if
[14:27] Speaker 1: you're trying to get to a million dollar house, well
[14:29] Speaker 1: than ten percent of it needs means you're going to
[14:30] Speaker 1: have your hundred grand plus of course the stamp duties
[14:33] Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. Right Well, those people
[14:37] Speaker 1: who in the past couple of years may have had
[14:39] Speaker 1: advantage in that system, well, they're the ones that are
[14:42] Speaker 1: actually being hurt right now by the properties that they've
[14:44] Speaker 1: paid for recently that are now worth less than what
[14:48] Speaker 1: they paid for it. The five percent deposit scheme here
[14:51] Speaker 1: it is advertised on the Treasury website. When mortgage rates
[14:56] Speaker 1: keep going up and remember two of the three times
[14:59] Speaker 1: have gone up this year, nothing to do with the
[15:01] Speaker 1: war in Iran. Well, as the Australian was profiling today,
[15:04] Speaker 1: first home bias are trapped in negative equity as prices
[15:08] Speaker 1: fall in some hot spots. Let me read along here.
[15:10] Speaker 1: Economists are warning that thousands of hopeful Australians who use
[15:14] Speaker 1: the first home buyers guarantee to buy we just five
[15:17] Speaker 1: percent deposit, are now highly exposed and watching the equity
[15:20] Speaker 1: evaporate after a third consecutive month of sliding prices, which
[15:25] Speaker 1: are in part triggered by the housing taxes in the budget,
[15:28] Speaker 1: remember the ones they promised they weren't going to do.
[15:31] Speaker 1: Nine out of ten of the top ten suburbs for
[15:34] Speaker 1: the uptake of this scheme have seen house prices drop.
[15:37] Speaker 1: The auction clearest rates figures a pandemic era lows, and
[15:42] Speaker 1: some regions have experts expecting further price falls. I want
[15:46] Speaker 1: to do one more on this though, which is property data,
[15:50] Speaker 1: and their researchers are saying that in some ways it
[15:54] Speaker 1: was counterproductive. The Labor government expanded the five percent deposit
[15:57] Speaker 1: scheme to incentivize more first home buyers into the market,
[16:00] Speaker 1: then through tax changes that put downward pressure on the
[16:03] Speaker 1: prices shortly after a similar as says maybe not that
[16:09] Speaker 1: well thought out. Well that's the way he works, right,
[16:12] Speaker 1: Albo does it again all day, every day. Now, where
[16:17] Speaker 1: is Australia going to be in fifty years. It is
[16:20] Speaker 1: always a fascinating discussion to look around the corner. And
[16:24] Speaker 1: while we've spent a big chunk of the night talking
[16:26] Speaker 1: about America and it's two hundred and fifty years in
[16:28] Speaker 1: the review mirror, we started to talk forward, including things
[16:32] Speaker 1: like AI. Well, of course, population is always worth something
[16:37] Speaker 1: worth talking about. Now. The Bureau of Statistics has multiple
[16:40] Speaker 1: angles and projections of where we're going to go. But
[16:43] Speaker 1: I was taken a day by Bernard Soult, who's the
[16:44] Speaker 1: spectacular demographer, has been around for ages and writes in
[16:48] Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper about this preview of what does Australia
[16:50] Speaker 1: look like in fifty years time. This matters because it'll
[16:54] Speaker 1: either be you, it'll be your kids, or it'll be
[16:56] Speaker 1: your grandkids. Bernard joins us. Now, hllo, great man, thank
[16:59] Speaker 1: you so much for the information here. Were you confident, surprised,
[17:05] Speaker 1: slightly pessimistic? What's the picture about where we are fifty
[17:08] Speaker 1: years from now?
[17:10] Speaker 10: Well, the Australoi Buau of Statistics, of course does fifty
[17:13] Speaker 10: year population projections after every census. But the problem with
[17:18] Speaker 10: that is that it's done at a state and capital
[17:21] Speaker 10: city level and for Australia as a whole. What I
[17:24] Speaker 10: find particularly interesting is the way in which individual cities
[17:29] Speaker 10: might rise and fall over the next, say, twenty five years.
[17:32] Speaker 10: So I trawled through the data to build a database
[17:36] Speaker 10: looking at the ninety eight largest towns on the Australian continent,
[17:41] Speaker 10: and that ranges from say Portland in Victoria with about
[17:44] Speaker 10: eight thousand people, up to Sydney at the moment with
[17:47] Speaker 10: five point five or whatever it is, and looking at
[17:51] Speaker 10: how they've performed over the last twenty five years, that
[17:54] Speaker 10: is two thousand through to twenty twenty five, and then
[17:58] Speaker 10: doing a trend line rejection of that over the next
[18:02] Speaker 10: twenty five years. And I think that you can identify
[18:06] Speaker 10: the clear trends, the driving forces that shape cities on
[18:10] Speaker 10: the rise and cities contracting in fact over that timeframe.
[18:14] Speaker 10: So we've added four million people, sorry, eight million people
[18:18] Speaker 10: over the last twenty five years, so twenty eight million
[18:21] Speaker 10: now we were twenty and the projection is another eight
[18:25] Speaker 10: million over the next twenty five years, so thirty six
[18:29] Speaker 10: million people by twenty fifty. And some of the insights
[18:34] Speaker 10: that this exercise shows, of course, is that Melbourne will
[18:39] Speaker 10: replace Sydney as the largest city on the Australian continent
[18:43] Speaker 10: probably at some point in the twenty thirties. In fact,
[18:47] Speaker 10: Canberra will replace Newcastle as in terms of population levels,
[18:53] Speaker 10: Geelong will replace Woollongong also over this timeframe. So there's
[18:59] Speaker 10: some rise and falls cities or communities that are likely
[19:04] Speaker 10: to continue to contract over the next twenty five years,
[19:08] Speaker 10: places like Broken Hill and Mount Isa. This is often
[19:12] Speaker 10: a social is associated with the depletion of the ore deposit,
[19:17] Speaker 10: the mining of the ore deposit, and of course the
[19:20] Speaker 10: basis that those communities is removed and so you get
[19:25] Speaker 10: a slow decline and then of course the quite spectacular
[19:29] Speaker 10: lifestyle sea change, tree change towns, which I can only
[19:35] Speaker 10: see continuing to grow and multiply over the next quarter century.
[19:40] Speaker 1: I'm fascinated about the growth in Victoria right just in
[19:43] Speaker 1: terms of population growth, because again migration is going to
[19:46] Speaker 1: still come into predominantly Sydney and Melbourne. Then there's the sorry,
[19:51] Speaker 1: the intrastate movement which is around. But why is Victoria
[19:56] Speaker 1: restory where it is going to be able to bounce
[20:00] Speaker 1: above or at least Melbourne above Sydney, because presumably they're
[20:03] Speaker 1: both growing at roughly the same number. Why do they
[20:07] Speaker 1: do yeah.
[20:08] Speaker 10: Well, well, actually Melbourne has been growing faster than Sydney
[20:12] Speaker 10: since the Sydney Olympics. In actual fact, Melbourne was the
[20:15] Speaker 10: largest city on the Australian continent between eighteen fifty eight
[20:18] Speaker 10: and nineteen oh one. Then Sydney stole the march and
[20:22] Speaker 10: for one hundred years, Sydney pulled further ahead of Melbourne.
[20:27] Speaker 10: And you know, of course has been our larger city
[20:29] Speaker 10: for all that time. But after the Olympics, Melbourne surged ahead.
[20:34] Speaker 10: It's almost like Sydney stopped for a bit of a breather,
[20:38] Speaker 10: and Melbourne regularly adds, you know, one hundred and twenty
[20:41] Speaker 10: one hundred and thirty thousand people per year. Sydney adds
[20:44] Speaker 10: maybe one hundred thousand or so people per year. I
[20:48] Speaker 10: think that it comes down to housing affordability. That Sydney
[20:54] Speaker 10: is a bit like New York, and you know, if
[20:58] Speaker 10: you want to live there, yes you can, but it
[21:00] Speaker 10: costs a lot of money, whereas Melbourne's house prize is
[21:04] Speaker 10: still expensive, but in comparison to Sydney, it's more affordable.
[21:08] Speaker 10: And in terms of global cities with global corporate headquarters
[21:12] Speaker 10: and job opportunities, and also an established immigrant basis, so
[21:18] Speaker 10: the Chinese, the Indians, the Greeks, the Italians, the Vietnamese
[21:21] Speaker 10: are already well established in those communities, and you often
[21:25] Speaker 10: get people who connect into those communities coming into Melbourne
[21:30] Speaker 10: and into Sydney, but making a choice to Melbourne because
[21:33] Speaker 10: well it's more affordable than the Sydney option.
[21:37] Speaker 1: Is there any of the major capitals that is going
[21:40] Speaker 1: to go I mean, they're not going to go backwards,
[21:42] Speaker 1: but they're going to really their growth is going to
[21:44] Speaker 1: slow to a halt in the next fifty years.
[21:47] Speaker 10: Well, certainly places like Hogart you would have to say
[21:53] Speaker 10: still growing. Of course, we are growing nation. When you
[21:56] Speaker 10: import two hundred two hundred and fifty thousand people per
[21:59] Speaker 10: year or so more, then that ultimately spreads across the
[22:03] Speaker 10: Australian continent and most cities grow. So of the ninety
[22:07] Speaker 10: eight cities that I looked at, there would only be
[22:10] Speaker 10: three or four that would actually be losing population over
[22:14] Speaker 10: that time frame. But now we're a growing notion. We
[22:17] Speaker 10: have a policy of immigration. We debate vigorously the level
[22:22] Speaker 10: of immigration, but all of that contributes to a story
[22:26] Speaker 10: of growth. And even though our birth rate is declining,
[22:30] Speaker 10: we're still in a situation where there's more births than deaths.
[22:34] Speaker 10: That will change in the twenty forties as the baby
[22:37] Speaker 10: bitmers start to die off en mass. So yes, we've
[22:41] Speaker 10: getting some population growth through natural increase and likely continuation
[22:48] Speaker 10: of immigration, most likely at more moderated levels that we've
[22:53] Speaker 10: seen over the last couple of years or so, but
[22:55] Speaker 10: it does produce some quite spectacular results. There's three towns
[22:59] Speaker 10: in particular that will travel in size. This is over
[23:04] Speaker 10: the fifty years, the year twenty to twenty fifty and
[23:09] Speaker 10: they are in fact places like Early Beach, Early Beach,
[23:15] Speaker 10: cannon Vale of course that's in up the with Sundays
[23:20] Speaker 10: of course, Bustleton in the southwest of Western Australia. And
[23:27] Speaker 10: the other one I'm really interested in is warrigal Druin,
[23:31] Speaker 10: just on the eastern edge of Melbourne. It's not in
[23:34] Speaker 10: Melbourne's geographic areas in Gippsland, but it's what I'm calling
[23:39] Speaker 10: a trade town. See the sea change and tree change towns.
[23:43] Speaker 10: But the trading town is where tradees congregate. They can
[23:47] Speaker 10: buy acreage and then they commute back into the edge
[23:49] Speaker 10: of town, you know, Cranbourne, packing Man, Berrick that part
[23:52] Speaker 10: of Melbourne and build houses in fact, so yes, they've
[23:56] Speaker 10: made Warrigal Drew in their own. It's about forty seven
[23:58] Speaker 10: thousand people in Miracle Druan, growing to about seventy two
[24:03] Speaker 10: seventy three thousand by the middle of this century.
[24:05] Speaker 1: Good stuff. I love this stuff. I want everyone to
[24:08] Speaker 1: read you as regularly as you appear in the Australian newspaper.
[24:11] Speaker 1: It's always fascinating to get the numbers behind things and
[24:13] Speaker 1: the projections as well. All the best to you, Bernard. He,
[24:15] Speaker 1: like me, is excited every eleven thirty when the latest
[24:18] Speaker 1: batch of data comes out from the Bureau Statistics. Every day.
[24:21] Speaker 1: All right, quick break back with more. Let's get into
[24:23] Speaker 1: it right now. Plenty to debate, plenty to discuss everything
[24:25] Speaker 1: from maur Deeming and the Libs in Victoria. Seriously, they've
[24:28] Speaker 1: got to wait til Friday to move on from her.
[24:30] Speaker 1: But we've got to talk about the corruption, the problems,
[24:32] Speaker 1: the CFMMEU issues and the premier trying to ignore it all,
[24:36] Speaker 1: plus the one nation of everything. We're just getting started
[24:39] Speaker 1: here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching Meghan Kelly
[24:41] Speaker 1: before we're done as well, and again sky On news
[24:43] Speaker 1: dot com dot are you with some highlights and eventually
[24:46] Speaker 1: a full replay of our documentary about Trump's America, two
[24:49] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years in the making. Thank you very
[24:55] Speaker 1: much for watching, joining us right now the wonderful Lucy's elotup.
[24:57] Speaker 1: By the way, I can hear on the radio filling
[24:59] Speaker 1: in for my friend Clinton maner on to gb Always
[25:02] Speaker 1: great to hear on the radio. See on the telly
[25:03] Speaker 1: as well. Stephen Conry is only ever here to help,
[25:06] Speaker 1: only ever here to help. So let's get to some
[25:09] Speaker 1: of these deeper numbers, inside the numbers in and around
[25:11] Speaker 1: the conversation around One Nation, because when we were sitting
[25:15] Speaker 1: here last week, we started to see the wobbles on
[25:18] Speaker 1: some of the poles, particularly issues when it came to
[25:21] Speaker 1: maybe the monoculturalism of it all. But as I showed, yes,
[25:24] Speaker 1: has there been a position where labor has come up.
[25:27] Speaker 1: Clearly that's shown in all of the poles. But One
[25:29] Speaker 1: Nation still on top of the Sky News poll. And
[25:32] Speaker 1: again we're talking about either thirty percent or twenty nine percent.
[25:35] Speaker 1: So you tune into some parts of the media, they
[25:37] Speaker 1: think there's been seven to ten point drop. Hasn't happened.
[25:40] Speaker 1: But Steven is a man who understands polling as well
[25:43] Speaker 1: as you do a little bit of push a little
[25:45] Speaker 1: bit of push polling in some of the questions that
[25:46] Speaker 1: the Guardian was asking. By prioritizing, so your thoughts about
[25:52] Speaker 1: one nation start off with abortion and then kind of
[25:55] Speaker 1: hide what the actual it was. It was a very
[25:58] Speaker 1: I knew what they were trying to do, and they
[26:00] Speaker 1: kind of got a headline, but the numbers weren't quite there,
[26:02] Speaker 1: were they now?
[26:06] Speaker 11: Look, the movement is largely within the margin of errors,
[26:10] Speaker 11: as they say. So it's great for a day when
[26:15] Speaker 11: people can try and go oh wow, But the truth
[26:18] Speaker 11: is the poles are pretty much coalesced around the same
[26:21] Speaker 11: basic position. There's four or five of them now and
[26:24] Speaker 11: Redbridge led the way with these trends. And you've got
[26:27] Speaker 11: labor sitting let's say around thirty thirty one, You've got
[26:31] Speaker 11: one nation probably sitting around twenty eight, and you've got
[26:35] Speaker 11: the coalition sitting in the low twenties being generous and
[26:41] Speaker 11: possibly twenty or below. So that's about where they've settled
[26:45] Speaker 11: over the last few weeks.
[26:48] Speaker 1: I think the problem that Pauline had.
[26:49] Speaker 11: At the Press Club was that she actually, for the
[26:52] Speaker 11: first time I've ever seen her in thirty years, didn't
[26:54] Speaker 11: say exactly what she thought. She tried to dog whistle
[26:57] Speaker 11: instead of doing what she normally does just throw the
[26:58] Speaker 11: red meat out. Instead of just saying there are bad Muslims,
[27:02] Speaker 11: she decided to dog whistle with monoculture, and she tripped
[27:05] Speaker 11: up on it. James would have written the speech, it
[27:09] Speaker 11: was a cute speech. We can't afford to be to overt.
[27:12] Speaker 11: We've got to try and be clever. So she she
[27:15] Speaker 11: for the first time in the thirty years i've watched her,
[27:19] Speaker 11: she she actually engaged in some poly speak.
[27:23] Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm see I'm fluent also in Conroy speak.
[27:26] Speaker 1: So you are there's there's there's a double edged sword
[27:28] Speaker 1: to the advice. There he's saying, Pauline, just be more Pauline. Right,
[27:32] Speaker 1: I'm going, hey, God, there's what's he's trying to He's
[27:34] Speaker 1: trying to rever up for a reason. But again, I
[27:36] Speaker 1: thought was fascinating in the numbers here, fifty two percent
[27:38] Speaker 1: of people say they're there definitely well, they're seriously thinking
[27:41] Speaker 1: about it. That is the threshold for obviously high levels
[27:45] Speaker 1: of opposition. Look, I'm not there saying they're on their
[27:47] Speaker 1: way to a government or even threatening it at this stage,
[27:50] Speaker 1: but the reports of their death might be a little
[27:53] Speaker 1: preach Oh yeah.
[27:54] Speaker 5: And I think there was one expert we use those
[27:57] Speaker 5: terms very liberally these days, mind you, that said that
[28:00] Speaker 5: this was a sign that they had I believe plateaued
[28:03] Speaker 5: and I thought, are we really doing this? I know
[28:05] Speaker 5: you guys love your polls, right for you political nerds,
[28:08] Speaker 5: you get right invested and you love dissecting it.
[28:11] Speaker 1: But they could actually tea you the margin of er
[28:13] Speaker 1: in that pole.
[28:14] Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask, but really, yeah, both of you,
[28:16] Speaker 5: you'll get on the phone to each other and you'll
[28:18] Speaker 5: start yea yea, yeah, yeah yeah, and you'll get right
[28:19] Speaker 5: into it. That's wonderful, All well and good. But while
[28:22] Speaker 5: you two are doing the n N n N about
[28:25] Speaker 5: the poles, you know what I'm doing the nick nit
[28:26] Speaker 5: near with the people out the barb use right at
[28:29] Speaker 5: the local football on the Saturday. We were telling me
[28:32] Speaker 5: straight to my face for the first time. And let
[28:34] Speaker 5: me tell you, this is something very interesting that I
[28:36] Speaker 5: have noticed. Right because, in addition to always being skeptical
[28:40] Speaker 5: of the polls, I don't care right left whoever they're polling.
[28:42] Speaker 5: The journalist in me who was taught by very good
[28:44] Speaker 5: tutor back in the day. Will always encourage me to
[28:47] Speaker 5: look at who's running the pole, how many people were polled,
[28:49] Speaker 5: the demographics, the age groups, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
[28:52] Speaker 5: we're talking about a group of one thousand people being polled.
[28:54] Speaker 5: We're a population of twenty eight million. You've heard me
[28:57] Speaker 5: repeat this a nauseum on your program. So I don't
[28:59] Speaker 5: get as carried away by that versus what I do
[29:02] Speaker 5: on the streets. And for the first time since I've
[29:05] Speaker 5: been covering politics and certainly been talking about even amongst
[29:08] Speaker 5: family friends, et cetera, and by extension, my community within
[29:11] Speaker 5: my lectuate, they're starting to openly say to me, hey, Lucy,
[29:16] Speaker 5: what do you think of Pauline? And they're waiting for
[29:18] Speaker 5: the reaction to drop, And then regardless of what I say,
[29:21] Speaker 5: do you know what, they turn around and say to me,
[29:23] Speaker 5: we love her, We're voting for her. Guess what we
[29:25] Speaker 5: voted for her at the last election and will do
[29:27] Speaker 5: the same at the next and thereafter. That's what I'm
[29:31] Speaker 5: more interested in, is word on the street and that
[29:33] Speaker 5: face to face interaction versus what you political nerds are doing.
[29:36] Speaker 1: In my defense, there was not a lot of poll
[29:38] Speaker 1: talk while I was in dahwa A. Right when I'm
[29:41] Speaker 1: ripping around, do you do do and movent with the crocodiles.
[29:45] Speaker 1: By the way, Happy Territory Day if you can go
[29:47] Speaker 1: and you don't light a firework and have some fun responsibly.
[29:51] Speaker 1: That is still happening as we speak in the territory.
[29:54] Speaker 1: Territory Day and you know going back to has theme
[29:56] Speaker 1: on Sunday. Of all the places you've got to go
[29:59] Speaker 1: in your life, be tick is the Northern Territory. But
[30:01] Speaker 1: on July the first, there's nothing like it in the country.
[30:04] Speaker 1: So enjoy Territory Day. So Stephen, let us talk about
[30:08] Speaker 1: the big build. What the smell is that we can
[30:11] Speaker 1: smell regardless of where you happen to be sitting tonight.
[30:14] Speaker 1: The absolute slam dunk that Nick McKenzie put on the
[30:17] Speaker 1: table about how all of the system works. And we've
[30:21] Speaker 1: relived that over the past couple of nights. So I'm
[30:23] Speaker 1: assuming people are across all of those finer points. But
[30:26] Speaker 1: what about the premiere coming out and saying, oh, it's
[30:29] Speaker 1: not corruption, despite the fact that he was very obviously,
[30:31] Speaker 1: why are you paying twenty five percent more? Because it's
[30:33] Speaker 1: part of the corrupt payment to get onto the build
[30:36] Speaker 1: She says, it's inflation thoughts sir.
[30:42] Speaker 11: Well, at first, Nick McKenzie has done an incredible job
[30:45] Speaker 11: over two or three years now, and I we're congratulating
[30:49] Speaker 11: him last night as well on his quality of his
[30:52] Speaker 11: journalism and has been threatened his family. You know, he's
[30:55] Speaker 11: been concerned about his security, all for good reason, because
[30:58] Speaker 11: of the way the Victorian particularly building industry has worked.
[31:03] Speaker 11: I Mean, what I'm confused about is I didn't join
[31:06] Speaker 11: the Labor Party to cover up corruption. I didn't join
[31:09] Speaker 11: the Labor Party to help make organize criminal figures and
[31:13] Speaker 11: Biking gang members rich yep. So I'm very confused about
[31:19] Speaker 11: the arguments at the moment. Mackenzie's articles demonstrate categorically that
[31:26] Speaker 11: the Biking gangs have been running a mock across the
[31:29] Speaker 11: building industry and it is just been.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Appalling no good to hear because I mean, also part
[31:36] Speaker 1: of the Royal Commission calls the former Ombudsman, Debra Glass,
[31:40] Speaker 1: the former person who was in charge of iback the
[31:41] Speaker 1: Corruption Commission, saying there's a problem here and clearly the
[31:46] Speaker 1: government doesn't want to deal with it. And also Lucy
[31:48] Speaker 1: it gets back to this theme we've talked about for
[31:50] Speaker 1: many a month. Right, there are two types of assis
[31:52] Speaker 1: at the moment, the ones who pay attention to the
[31:54] Speaker 1: ones who don't. When I was talking because Samoris last
[31:56] Speaker 1: night in relation to Victoria, he says that all of
[31:59] Speaker 1: the stench and the government's role in the stench, has
[32:02] Speaker 1: now passed out of the political circle. It's out of
[32:05] Speaker 1: the bubble. It's in the streets and normal people can
[32:08] Speaker 1: see no, Na, this is dodgy and if you guys
[32:10] Speaker 1: don't want to get rid of it, we'll get rid
[32:12] Speaker 1: of you.
[32:13] Speaker 5: I think the worst part about all of this is
[32:15] Speaker 5: if it's not already what we've seen unfold. And of course,
[32:18] Speaker 5: kudos to Nick mackenzie. I've got views on some of
[32:21] Speaker 5: his other aspects of reporting I disagree with, but that's fine.
[32:23] Speaker 5: We live in a democracy. We allowed to disagree. But
[32:25] Speaker 5: I think he's done incredible work. In this instance. We
[32:28] Speaker 5: have to be fair and give it where it's due.
[32:31] Speaker 5: The thing that upsets me the most is that you
[32:33] Speaker 5: now have a premiere who constantly keeps deferring to these
[32:36] Speaker 5: It almost feels like scripted and prepared lines.
[32:39] Speaker 2: Well, this has to be.
[32:39] Speaker 5: Referred to Victorian police. She said it innumerable times right
[32:43] Speaker 5: in her press conferences. In the way she's trying to
[32:44] Speaker 5: handle this, she's shirking calls for a royal commission. You
[32:47] Speaker 5: have very credible voices, including the Victorian Obardsman, who is
[32:50] Speaker 5: calling for a royal commission. If the shoe was on
[32:53] Speaker 5: the other foot, you can only imagine what would be
[32:57] Speaker 5: going on. And look at what our Prime minister did
[32:59] Speaker 5: when the shoe was on the other foot. With respect
[33:01] Speaker 5: to Robodebt, he was screeching about the demands was shut
[33:06] Speaker 5: down exactly. So the thing about this too, as I said,
[33:09] Speaker 5: all of this is bad. Motorcycle gang links.
[33:12] Speaker 1: All of it.
[33:12] Speaker 5: It's despicable, it's disgusting, and it's shameful, and it's all
[33:15] Speaker 5: happened under the watch of De sin to Alan. But
[33:18] Speaker 5: on the other side of that, then you have a
[33:20] Speaker 5: Victorian opposition who is in absolute and utter rabble. So
[33:25] Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I feel so badly for the people
[33:28] Speaker 5: of Victoria who are sitting there crying out for a
[33:31] Speaker 5: responsible government to come in and clean up this mess.
[33:34] Speaker 5: Whichever way this election goes, if they vote to keep
[33:38] Speaker 5: this Labor Party in power, I'm sorry, guys, we're going
[33:40] Speaker 5: to have to cut you adrift. You will now be
[33:42] Speaker 5: known as the People's Republic of Victoria. But I don't
[33:45] Speaker 5: blame you for being completely disenchanted with everything going on
[33:49] Speaker 5: on either side of the Earl.
[33:51] Speaker 1: So to the more redeeming of it all, the look,
[33:52] Speaker 1: the lips are obviously going to boot. This is going
[33:55] Speaker 1: to happen on Friday. It's all in and around when
[33:57] Speaker 1: she does or doesn't come back to the country. And
[33:59] Speaker 1: to be honest, look again, agree or disagree with her
[34:01] Speaker 1: on any and every everything else. This thing is such
[34:04] Speaker 1: a miss, so ridiculous that clearly she can't be the
[34:07] Speaker 1: standard bearer. But the reality is still a member of
[34:10] Speaker 1: Parliament till then parliamentary privilege. I'm sure there's plenty of
[34:13] Speaker 1: people tuning in every time they think that she's going
[34:15] Speaker 1: to speak, and then there's the inevitable sort of bombs
[34:18] Speaker 1: from inside an election campaign. Stephen. Look, the expectation is
[34:22] Speaker 1: that they're going to flush. But what's your warning potentially
[34:26] Speaker 1: to one nation here, Because obviously Maury Deeming does have
[34:28] Speaker 1: her supporters. There would be suggestions that she could be
[34:31] Speaker 1: the face for one Nation. Well, I don't think that
[34:33] Speaker 1: that would net the results that they would be thinking.
[34:36] Speaker 1: But your thoughts.
[34:40] Speaker 11: Now, Look, I mean she's built a small profile. Her
[34:43] Speaker 11: own activities have made her much higher, but not for
[34:47] Speaker 11: the good reasons of profile. And I did read an
[34:50] Speaker 11: interesting article yesterday or today was talked about how she
[34:56] Speaker 11: met with Pauline Hanson when she had lost of selection.
[35:00] Speaker 11: So between when she lost a pre selection and when
[35:02] Speaker 11: she got it back again, she had a meeting with
[35:05] Speaker 11: Pauline Hanson and she see the article implied she'd agreed
[35:10] Speaker 11: to join One Nation and just was going through the process,
[35:16] Speaker 11: and then once she got represelected, she didn't join One Nation,
[35:19] Speaker 11: and Pauline is unhappy about that. So I think there's
[35:23] Speaker 11: a bit of an explanation needs to come there. But
[35:28] Speaker 11: do I think she is the Messiah? Absolutely not. I
[35:32] Speaker 11: mean she should have just apologized. It was clearly a
[35:35] Speaker 11: stupid thing to allege, and none of this would be
[35:39] Speaker 11: tearing a little party apart again months out from an election.
[35:43] Speaker 11: I mean, it's just it is an amateur hour.
[35:46] Speaker 1: It is again. Look, I think Jess Wilson has played
[35:48] Speaker 1: this as best as she can because obviously this process
[35:50] Speaker 1: and because of previous legal things, there's the inevitability of
[35:54] Speaker 1: potential legal consequences here as well. But the sooner the
[35:57] Speaker 1: decision is made to me obvious and the better, regardless
[36:00] Speaker 1: of whether Mari Deming's been right on other issues here,
[36:04] Speaker 1: all right, the footy, Let's talk about Australia. Australia hypt
[36:07] Speaker 1: your thoughts, Lucy, are we going to make it through
[36:11] Speaker 1: or it'll enjoy the last chance to cheer for them
[36:14] Speaker 1: at the World Cup ins.
[36:16] Speaker 5: I don't want to be that apocalyptic about it. And
[36:20] Speaker 5: it's the one time that we'll all be on a
[36:21] Speaker 5: unity ticket here, so it's nice to finally be in
[36:23] Speaker 5: agreement for a changer. Steve, and we may have been
[36:26] Speaker 5: married in a past life with how much we enjoy
[36:28] Speaker 5: fighting with one another.
[36:30] Speaker 1: Give half full, give me that half fool.
[36:32] Speaker 5: About Australia, what I will say is this, I think
[36:35] Speaker 5: that we're in a situation where we're looking very positive.
[36:37] Speaker 5: The Soccero's camp arrived to Dallas and by all accounts,
[36:41] Speaker 5: we have a team that is apart from the departures
[36:44] Speaker 5: that we've already seen in the way of injuries, which
[36:48] Speaker 5: too have already left the squad. But I think we're
[36:50] Speaker 5: looking really good right and I feel positively about it.
[36:53] Speaker 5: You've had Muhammed Salah for the Egyptian team. Conversely, who
[36:56] Speaker 5: was seen to be training separately from the team with
[36:58] Speaker 5: this injury, was seen to day training with the group.
[37:01] Speaker 5: I mean, you never want to rest on the hope
[37:04] Speaker 5: that an opposition's talisman player is injured, but in this case,
[37:08] Speaker 5: being a Liverpool fan, I know how prolific he is
[37:11] Speaker 5: and what a machine he is in front of goal.
[37:13] Speaker 5: But I feel positively about our chances. Tony Popovic has
[37:15] Speaker 5: made very clear that this twenty six man squad, each
[37:18] Speaker 5: of them have a role to play. It's why we've
[37:20] Speaker 5: seen a lot of shuffles in the team lineups that
[37:22] Speaker 5: have come out in the group stages. But go your soccer, rouse,
[37:25] Speaker 5: We're all behind you.
[37:26] Speaker 1: Good, you're fantastic, which means just wack it straight into
[37:29] Speaker 1: the net for me, Steven, why do you think we
[37:31] Speaker 1: can win now?
[37:34] Speaker 11: I'm with Lucy.
[37:35] Speaker 1: I'm optimistic.
[37:36] Speaker 11: I think our best team on the pitch, playing as
[37:39] Speaker 11: well as we have played against some of the teams
[37:44] Speaker 11: so far, and we can win.
[37:46] Speaker 1: So I'm an optimist.
[37:47] Speaker 11: I think we'll win, and then it's onwards and upwards
[37:51] Speaker 11: to take Argentina out for them betting us last.
[37:54] Speaker 1: Pa hydration break for everyone. We'll see you again next
[37:59] Speaker 1: week and Killy after the fresh if that time of
[38:07] Speaker 1: the wait to talk tob out favorite person in the world,
[38:08] Speaker 1: the one, the only, the wonderful Megan, Killy.
[38:10] Speaker 4: Megan, love you to say it lovely to be here.
[38:13] Speaker 1: Big loss for Donald Trump today in the Supreme Court.
[38:16] Speaker 1: Put simply, if two illegal immigrants come into the United
[38:19] Speaker 1: States and have a kid, the kid will get birthright
[38:23] Speaker 1: citizenship and thus will become an American. Put simply, anchor
[38:27] Speaker 1: babies are now fully legal.
[38:31] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's disappointing. I mean, there's just no way to
[38:36] Speaker 4: get around it. It's a terribly disappointing decision. It's not
[38:39] Speaker 4: a surprise if you watch the oral arguments to which
[38:42] Speaker 4: Trump went. I mean Trump actually went to the US
[38:44] Speaker 4: Supreme Court and sat in there. Not unprecedented, but extremely rare.
[38:50] Speaker 4: You know, it's very hard to get like the squishes,
[38:56] Speaker 4: the conservative squishes, to do something. It really is. They
[39:02] Speaker 4: reversed Roe versus Wade because that was a very very
[39:05] Speaker 4: clear legal travesty. I mean, I know the left loved it,
[39:08] Speaker 4: but truly, just as an objective lawyer, no lawyer worth
[39:11] Speaker 4: his or hersault looked at that decision and said anything
[39:14] Speaker 4: other than it's an abomination, it's stilely made up. Even
[39:17] Speaker 4: Lawrence Tribe said that, who's one of our biggest lefty
[39:20] Speaker 4: professors at Harvard, and so they'll do it there. But
[39:24] Speaker 4: this would have required hutzpah, you know, it really would have.
[39:28] Speaker 4: It's there the founding fathers, all the way up through
[39:32] Speaker 4: the post Civil War leaders of the country did not envision,
[39:38] Speaker 4: did not envision a situation in which you could have
[39:40] Speaker 4: anchor babies like you just described. That was never the vision.
[39:44] Speaker 4: We were trying to make sure that the children of
[39:47] Speaker 4: freed slaves were very clearly American citizens, and that's what
[39:51] Speaker 4: we were trying to capture in that body in that
[39:53] Speaker 4: fourteenth Amendment, and it's just been bastardized. And after we
[39:57] Speaker 4: passed the fourteenth Amendment, we were all already not treating
[40:01] Speaker 4: Native Americans as naturalized citizens. So like, if it didn't
[40:04] Speaker 4: apply to them, why would it apply to a bunch
[40:07] Speaker 4: of Chinese people who come over here, have a kid
[40:09] Speaker 4: and leave, Like, I don't get it. We've just it's
[40:13] Speaker 4: sort of just morphed into a situation where we accepted that, oh, okay,
[40:17] Speaker 4: we're going to treat this as no matter where you're from,
[40:20] Speaker 4: no matter whether you're here legal or not, if you
[40:23] Speaker 4: have a kid here or your kid can be legal.
[40:24] Speaker 4: Then there was a Supreme Court precedent which was very
[40:26] Speaker 4: badly decided, and the Supreme Court in this decision was like,
[40:29] Speaker 4: no one should be following that. That was very badly
[40:31] Speaker 4: written and not really a serious piece of jurisprudence. And
[40:34] Speaker 4: now it's just turned into more of a political thing
[40:36] Speaker 4: where you know, the narrative of the Statue of liberty,
[40:41] Speaker 4: you know, like give me your tired, you're poor or whatever. No,
[40:45] Speaker 4: that was about legal immigration, and this country was built
[40:49] Speaker 4: on legal immigration from all sorts of different countries. You know,
[40:53] Speaker 4: my ancestors are some of them. I wasn't a Mayflower person.
[40:56] Speaker 4: My great granddads came over from Italy and Ireland, respect
[41:00] Speaker 4: and we made a home here legally, legally. No one
[41:04] Speaker 4: ever envisioned this weird thing that's happening now. So my
[41:07] Speaker 4: only silver lining is Justice Kavanaugh in his concurring opinion,
[41:13] Speaker 4: which sadly he was the sixth justice. They didn't need
[41:17] Speaker 4: this opinion, so it doesn't really carry much weight. But
[41:19] Speaker 4: he did say he thinks there is a legislative way
[41:23] Speaker 4: to narrow this phrase that's in the fourteenth Amendment that
[41:27] Speaker 4: gives this birthright citizenship. And I said, well, I don't
[41:31] Speaker 4: see how that helps us, because we got a five
[41:33] Speaker 4: person majority on a nine person court saying the fourteenth
[41:37] Speaker 4: Amendment conveys citizenship if you're born here, period. But both
[41:41] Speaker 4: Kavanaugh and Alan Dershowitz, and the White House, because they
[41:45] Speaker 4: weighed in on this later in the day, all seem
[41:47] Speaker 4: to think there is a way of statutorily limiting who
[41:53] Speaker 4: can be considered within the available pool. We can put
[41:58] Speaker 4: more restraints on it than we have had. So we'll
[42:02] Speaker 4: see if they come up with a clever way of
[42:03] Speaker 4: doing that. I got to say, as a lawyer, I
[42:05] Speaker 4: look at it now.
[42:05] Speaker 8: I don't see it.
[42:06] Speaker 4: But you know, Justice Kavanaugh, I'm sure it's a lot
[42:08] Speaker 4: smarter than I am. An Alan dershow it definitely is.
[42:10] Speaker 1: This weekend, fourth of July had be two hundred and fiftieth.
[42:13] Speaker 1: How do you feel about your country turning to fifty.
[42:15] Speaker 4: Mate, I feel good about it. I feel great about it. Actually,
[42:18] Speaker 4: I love America. It's you know, it's better than in
[42:22] Speaker 4: any alternative I have yet to see. It's not perfect.
[42:25] Speaker 4: We got a lot of problems. But more so than
[42:28] Speaker 4: any of the two hundred and fiftieth celebrations that we've
[42:31] Speaker 4: seen so far, it's the World Cup that's really infused
[42:35] Speaker 4: the country with a much needed dose of patriotism, seeing
[42:40] Speaker 4: your own country through other people's eyes who are seeing
[42:43] Speaker 4: it for the first time. And America is special. You know.
[42:45] Speaker 4: There are a lot of things about this place that
[42:48] Speaker 4: truly do make it great and exceptional. The people mostly,
[42:51] Speaker 4: but the freedom, you know, the freedom, the supersizing of everything.
[42:55] Speaker 4: You know, the first thing people say when they come
[42:56] Speaker 4: over here is like, my god, the cars are so huge.
[42:58] Speaker 1: It's true.
[42:59] Speaker 4: If you spend any time in you you're like, who
[43:00] Speaker 4: are these tiny people who can fit these tiny little vehicles?
[43:04] Speaker 4: Everything's big, you know, so the all you can eat
[43:06] Speaker 4: buffets and the huge cars and the huge properties and
[43:08] Speaker 4: homes and highways and restaurants and gas stations, all of it.
[43:13] Speaker 4: And there's an entrepreneurial spirit here, like, if you want
[43:16] Speaker 4: to open up a business, you can do it.
[43:17] Speaker 1: Try it. It's easy.
[43:18] Speaker 4: Pretty much anyone can you never know, you know, it's
[43:21] Speaker 4: like you can make a billion dollars in a year
[43:23] Speaker 4: if you come up with a great idea. You could
[43:24] Speaker 4: wind up moving here from South Africa and become the
[43:27] Speaker 4: world's first trillionaire. Because we may be somewhat heavily regulated
[43:32] Speaker 4: versus where we were one hundred years ago, we're still
[43:36] Speaker 4: the least regulated country of virtually any that are safe
[43:40] Speaker 4: and that are places you want to raise a family.
[43:42] Speaker 4: And so it fosters someone like a Steve Job, someone
[43:46] Speaker 4: like an Elon, someone like a Bill Gates weird as
[43:48] Speaker 4: though he is, it sets the table for someone like
[43:53] Speaker 4: that to emerge. There's no accident that we produce all
[43:55] Speaker 4: these entrepreneurial people. And I also just think that it's
[43:59] Speaker 4: go or just you know, the from the mountains to
[44:02] Speaker 4: the prairies, as the song says, it's just got. The
[44:06] Speaker 4: topography of the country is spectacular, of the lakes, the rivers,
[44:09] Speaker 4: the oceans. There's just something about it that is unlike
[44:13] Speaker 4: anyplace else on Earth. So I feel good about it.
[44:16] Speaker 4: I don't feel great about our leaders. I'm not gonna lie.
[44:19] Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm disappointed with some aspects of the Trump
[44:22] Speaker 4: presidency for sure, like the Iran war. That's number one.
[44:29] Speaker 4: It's so grifty. I'm not gonna lie. It's grifty. You know,
[44:33] Speaker 4: the Trump family is grifty. There's been like story after
[44:37] Speaker 4: story about all the money that his sons are making
[44:41] Speaker 4: off of the government, these government contracts they're getting all that.
[44:44] Speaker 4: I can't stand that stuff, and I love his sons. Okay,
[44:46] Speaker 4: so I say this as a true fan of theirs,
[44:48] Speaker 4: but I didn't like it when Hunter Biden was doing it,
[44:51] Speaker 4: and I don't like it when the Trump's are doing it.
[44:53] Speaker 4: But having said all that, it's a binary system. There's
[44:57] Speaker 4: no question Trump is dreams better than that lunatic Kamala
[45:02] Speaker 4: Harris would have been the birthright citizenship. At least he tried.
[45:06] Speaker 4: At least he tried. No one else tried. Trump did
[45:09] Speaker 4: close the border. That counts for a lot. We're not
[45:12] Speaker 4: deporting everybody, but we got some. Again, it's overall, it's
[45:16] Speaker 4: probably a fail on the deportations, but it's a hell
[45:19] Speaker 4: of a lot more than Biden tried to do. So,
[45:21] Speaker 4: you know, you can't put too much stock in anyone politician.
[45:24] Speaker 4: Is one of the lessons here. The system, the blob,
[45:28] Speaker 4: kind of moves them where it wants to move them.
[45:31] Speaker 4: And unless you get a truly like irreverent, don't give
[45:37] Speaker 4: an f candidate who cannot be bought.
[45:43] Speaker 1: We will all white watch and learn together, quick break
[45:45] Speaker 1: back with more some of the nonsense that politicians posted
[45:48] Speaker 1: on social media before we're done, and then the light
[45:50] Speaker 1: to bit is up in about five minutes from there.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Do you work hard? We all pay too much tax
[45:59] Speaker 1: as it goes to the politicians who write the laws
[46:01] Speaker 1: that never make sense and the people who we pay
[46:04] Speaker 1: to make bad social media videos of them, like this
[46:07] Speaker 1: one of the Health Minister Mark Butler. Rebecca White is
[46:25] Speaker 1: the Member for Lions in the Federal Parliament. She wanted
[46:27] Speaker 1: to be the bad Premier of Tasmania, thank goodness she didn't.
[46:41] Speaker 1: And our old mate from Queensland who made social media
[46:44] Speaker 1: video that praises her for looking at social media. Jesus,
[47:03] Speaker 1: So what did you do today? I made a social
[47:04] Speaker 1: media video? What was it about? Oh that I make
[47:07] Speaker 1: social media videos? Yeah, but okay, what else did you
[47:09] Speaker 1: do today? Oh? You know, I just voted like the
[47:11] Speaker 1: party told me. That's our chaff and I thank you
[47:15] Speaker 1: very much for watching. We'll see you again tomorrow night.
[47:16] Speaker 1: All the highlights, including the highlights of the doc are
[47:18] Speaker 1: up at skynews dot com dot au. Thanks for the feedbank,
[47:22] Speaker 1: Thanks for watching We'll see You Again tomorrow night. Here's
[47:23] Speaker 1: a late Toby

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