# Paul Murray Live | 21 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 21 Oct 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e8802af2-91a5-41b3-92f6-b37d00b95cdf/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Donald Trump puts Kevin Rudd firmly in his place during a fiery White House showdown, First Nations councils handed direct access to Queensland ministers. Plus, Optus customers turn on the telco after the deadly triple-zero failure. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: You know, mate, hasn't This has been a fun day.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Sharry. Don't forget all of
[0:10] Speaker 1: the highlights of what she does and everyone else at
[0:12] Speaker 1: skynews dot com dot au. Make it your homepage now. Yeah,
[0:16] Speaker 1: we'll get into ways Zabruta film like study frame by
[0:19] Speaker 1: frame of all matters to do with Kevin Rudd tonight.
[0:22] Speaker 1: But there's other stuff too. We haven't forgotten about the
[0:24] Speaker 1: endless failures just inter Allen and her government in Victoria.
[0:27] Speaker 1: I'm going to keep banging on about it because not
[0:30] Speaker 1: only does it matter, but eventually the message've got to
[0:32] Speaker 1: get through.
[0:33] Speaker 2: Right.
[0:33] Speaker 1: There are problems as well that a life and death
[0:36] Speaker 1: that maybe you haven't heard about thus far. I'll get
[0:37] Speaker 1: to all of that very shortly interesting debate in New
[0:40] Speaker 1: South Wales, which is are you able to play the
[0:42] Speaker 1: poke's too late at night as a occasional officionado. I'm
[0:47] Speaker 1: well aware of two o'clock in the afternoon or two
[0:50] Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, but it's two o'clock in the
[0:51] Speaker 1: morning too late and an interesting change. It's got a
[0:54] Speaker 1: few people fight up, but I'll explain it all about
[0:56] Speaker 1: the current Queensland government. And the only place you will
[0:59] Speaker 1: see Nigel for the next Prime Minister of the United
[1:02] Speaker 1: Kingdom regularly on OZTV is right here right now tonight
[1:07] Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Life. So anything happened today, any big
[1:13] Speaker 1: news that we were rather interested, that's right. Our Prime
[1:16] Speaker 1: minister met the President of the United States. I don't
[1:19] Speaker 1: if you've heard much or anything about this and the
[1:21] Speaker 1: media they have all lined up Team Australia. Best meeting
[1:27] Speaker 1: ever Albow's deal making with Donald, the White House meeting.
[1:32] Speaker 3: Success Prime Minister. He got the full red carpet treatment.
[1:35] Speaker 4: I don't think the meeting could have gone any better
[1:37] Speaker 4: for Anthony alb and easy.
[1:39] Speaker 1: Oh it's almost like I've been saying that four months.
[1:42] Speaker 1: The speculation that there would be some giant blow up,
[1:45] Speaker 1: well was never going to happen, no matter what Trump
[1:50] Speaker 1: knows about Australia and where Australia is right now. I
[1:53] Speaker 1: pointed to the treatment that he's given to the Canadian
[1:55] Speaker 1: Prime minister, the UK Prime Minister, and plenty more. Deal
[1:58] Speaker 1: was done minerals one excellent, but then of course we
[2:02] Speaker 1: have to go way over the top. As a sort
[2:04] Speaker 1: of counterpoint, to anyone who's ever criticized the greatest prime
[2:08] Speaker 1: minister of all time having to meet with the nastiest
[2:11] Speaker 1: president of all time, including the former Prime Minister of
[2:15] Speaker 1: Australia again perhaps the equal to Albanesi in his greatness.
[2:20] Speaker 1: I've sat with Trump in the Oval Office and I
[2:22] Speaker 1: give Albanesi ten out of ten. How many stories a
[2:26] Speaker 1: day do you reckon the ghost says that start this way?
[2:29] Speaker 1: Would I was Prime minister in two thousand and eight
[2:31] Speaker 1: to imagine how boring you would be telling a story?
[2:34] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, I should have warned you ghost warning.
[2:40] Speaker 1: But of course he's out there, and you know every
[2:43] Speaker 1: other prime minister. But ten out of ten. Honestly, they
[2:46] Speaker 1: just got so over the top. But as I said,
[2:51] Speaker 1: just it was so obvious right now when it came
[2:54] Speaker 1: to South Africa, we were dealing with life and death
[2:57] Speaker 1: issues in and around white farmers, so much so that
[3:01] Speaker 1: that's when the av presentation was rolled into the Oval Office.
[3:04] Speaker 1: When it was Zelinsky, we know, it was back and
[3:07] Speaker 1: forth about whether Zelinsky was actually deferential enough to the
[3:11] Speaker 1: United States, everything from how he carried himself to what
[3:14] Speaker 1: he said, and there was quite the bust up. Other
[3:16] Speaker 1: than that, like twenty eight world leaders have come and
[3:19] Speaker 1: gone by the way. Also today, and I'm not saying
[3:22] Speaker 1: it's not a big thing. It is a big thing.
[3:24] Speaker 1: It's a great thing that it went so well. But
[3:26] Speaker 1: also today he welcomed a basketball team in the afternoon,
[3:30] Speaker 1: and at the other end of the White House the
[3:32] Speaker 1: wrecking ball literally was pulling down what he's about to
[3:35] Speaker 1: be replaced with a Trump paid for ballroom. This was
[3:40] Speaker 1: a working lunch, an important, good working lunch, and they
[3:44] Speaker 1: got along. We've had a very good relationship.
[3:48] Speaker 5: I think he's doing a really good job and we've
[3:50] Speaker 5: had a very good relationship. I don't want to compare
[3:52] Speaker 5: one with the other, but I'll tell you this one
[3:54] Speaker 5: is they've got a great They really have a great
[3:56] Speaker 5: prime Minister.
[3:58] Speaker 1: And again I want nothing for the best, no matter
[4:02] Speaker 1: how we feel about at least one of the participants
[4:06] Speaker 1: in all of this. Right now, you know that I
[4:09] Speaker 1: didn't want Anthony Obernezi to win the last election. Thus
[4:11] Speaker 1: I didn't want him to be sitting there representing us today.
[4:13] Speaker 1: But he was, which is why I cheered on the
[4:15] Speaker 1: fact that he was there, and I hoped that it
[4:17] Speaker 1: was going to be a good meeting, right sometimes you
[4:19] Speaker 1: just have to be fair about these things, regardless of
[4:22] Speaker 1: how sometimes you might personally feel right. History doesn't stop
[4:26] Speaker 1: because the election result doesn't go the way that you want.
[4:30] Speaker 1: But I got to say, I was mutter, I was biting,
[4:33] Speaker 1: biding my tongue when the bloke who of course used
[4:38] Speaker 1: an entire campaign to get re elected for office was
[4:41] Speaker 1: by Shitcanning Peter Dutton for being too close to Donald
[4:45] Speaker 1: Trump or TMU Trump or all the rest of it,
[4:47] Speaker 1: or every coalition policy was too much like Trump, and
[4:50] Speaker 1: we know that the majority of Australians were more than
[4:53] Speaker 1: happy for that position. So to actually see this, to
[4:58] Speaker 1: me was an example of well, the Prime Minister just
[5:01] Speaker 1: not quite speaking his true feelings. And it should worry
[5:05] Speaker 1: you that if he's willing to bes like this in
[5:07] Speaker 1: front of a camera, I imagine what he's like behind
[5:09] Speaker 1: the scenes in the private meetings with the President of
[5:12] Speaker 1: China or the Prime Minister of the United States. They
[5:16] Speaker 1: really have a great prime minister.
[5:21] Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I'll use it in my ads in
[5:25] Speaker 6: twenty eight.
[5:31] Speaker 1: But even though he apologized, even though all is forgiven,
[5:37] Speaker 1: for just one minute, just one minute, and it's the
[5:41] Speaker 1: one minute heard around the continent and echoes to Australians
[5:46] Speaker 1: far and wide. Kevin Rudd was reduced to the size
[5:50] Speaker 1: of which most Australians consider him to be. You know
[5:54] Speaker 1: the exchange, You've seen it before. But we must savor
[5:58] Speaker 1: every second of this because while all is forgiven, and
[6:01] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sir for that one minute it was good.
[6:08] Speaker 7: I's been concerned in Australia that it's taken nine months
[6:11] Speaker 7: to get this meeting. Have you had any concerns with
[6:14] Speaker 7: this administration with a stance on Palestine, climate change or
[6:18] Speaker 7: even things the ambassador said about you in the past
[6:20] Speaker 7: is a strain an ambassador.
[6:22] Speaker 5: I don't know anything about him, and if he said
[6:24] Speaker 5: bad then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.
[6:27] Speaker 5: Did an ambassador to say something bad about it? Don't
[6:31] Speaker 5: tell me? Whereas is he still working for Yeah? Right,
[6:37] Speaker 5: you said bad before I took this positions to present.
[6:40] Speaker 5: But I don't like you either and probably never will.
[6:46] Speaker 1: So much to love right from firstly, just cutting him
[6:49] Speaker 1: off mid sentence. As you know, he's been practicing in
[6:51] Speaker 1: front of the mirror for months and months and months
[6:53] Speaker 1: about what's the form of words that I get? Just
[6:55] Speaker 1: bag not even interested I love that, but I also
[6:59] Speaker 1: loved the idea at this bloke who yes again represents
[7:02] Speaker 1: Australia and Wall Team Australia. We all know that there
[7:04] Speaker 1: are figures that are less polarizing than this bloke, right
[7:08] Speaker 1: that who is he? I don't even know? Okay, just
[7:12] Speaker 1: completely so all the strutting around, I didn't even He's
[7:17] Speaker 1: sitting in front of me and I don't even know
[7:19] Speaker 1: who he is. But then this might be nasty, but
[7:24] Speaker 1: he said plenty of nasty things about me, so let's
[7:26] Speaker 1: level it up. There was another camera in the room.
[7:30] Speaker 1: This was the camera that was showing on the White
[7:32] Speaker 1: House's YouTube page. And by the way, if you every
[7:34] Speaker 1: want to watch anything live that happens in the White House,
[7:36] Speaker 1: you don't have to see what's happening on Telly. Every
[7:38] Speaker 1: event is eventually at some point shown live and you'll
[7:41] Speaker 1: be able to see the full footage on the YouTube
[7:43] Speaker 1: page of the White House. Now, we'd had a camera
[7:45] Speaker 1: that was set up and it was, yes, showing the president,
[7:49] Speaker 1: but it also showed who the President was talking to.
[7:51] Speaker 1: Now about the middle of the screen, just up you
[7:57] Speaker 1: will see Kevin Rudd's face. I want you to drink
[8:00] Speaker 1: in every little second here, and imagine what he is
[8:03] Speaker 1: thinking as after he's been put in this place. Don't look,
[8:10] Speaker 1: don't look, and how just steal? Steal? And you know
[8:14] Speaker 1: we've seen this bloke before blowing up plenty of times.
[8:18] Speaker 1: But he had to sit there and take his medicine.
[8:20] Speaker 1: And yes they apologize and everything was forgiven. But still,
[8:22] Speaker 1: just for a second, if you've ever felt what most
[8:25] Speaker 1: people feel like about Kevin Rudd.
[8:27] Speaker 7: Enjoy he's been concerned Australia has taken nine months to
[8:33] Speaker 7: get this meeting. Have you had any concerns with this
[8:35] Speaker 7: administration with a stance on Palestine, climate change or even
[8:39] Speaker 7: things the ambassador said about you in the past.
[8:41] Speaker 1: He's straight ambassador. I don't know anything about him.
[8:45] Speaker 5: If you said bad, then maybe he'll like to apologize.
[8:47] Speaker 5: I know an advass that said something bad. Don't tell
[8:52] Speaker 5: me where is you said bad? His position was ps,
[9:02] Speaker 5: I don't like you either, and probably never will.
[9:06] Speaker 1: Go ahead. Oh the looking down, just just the whole
[9:13] Speaker 1: lovely drawn out moment, spectacular, spectacular, one last bit on
[9:19] Speaker 1: this pay attention. When the same thing happens again, we'll
[9:22] Speaker 1: rollo tape you. But this time I want you to
[9:24] Speaker 1: have a look at the right hand side of the
[9:26] Speaker 1: screen where you'll see there's Trump and then there's Vance
[9:29] Speaker 1: who's just leaning back, okay on the right hand side.
[9:33] Speaker 1: He cuts him off and he's just laughing. He's just
[9:37] Speaker 1: laughing straight at his face. But of course, rather than
[9:44] Speaker 1: just letting the moment be there, oh, we had to
[9:47] Speaker 1: have the Rud defenders right out and about out and
[9:50] Speaker 1: about this was on taxpayer news services, the way that
[9:55] Speaker 1: they did things at the start of today, which was
[9:57] Speaker 1: to report the obvious. Donald Trump tells Kevin Rudd to
[10:01] Speaker 1: his face, I don't like you. We might frame that
[10:04] Speaker 1: and put that in the man cave. Can we blow
[10:06] Speaker 1: that up somewhere? But then in came the defenders. Annabelle Krabb,
[10:11] Speaker 1: writing on the same website a few hours later, Kevin
[10:14] Speaker 1: Rudd took one for the team in the most spectacular way,
[10:18] Speaker 1: and then, briefing to the journalists, US President approached Australia's
[10:23] Speaker 1: ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd, in the White House
[10:26] Speaker 1: Cabinet room to clear the air. Is this guy here,
[10:30] Speaker 1: the President said, According to a person in the room,
[10:32] Speaker 1: all is forgiven. Rudd replied in return, I apologize, mister President,
[10:37] Speaker 1: who do you think might have been doing that briefing,
[10:39] Speaker 1: who may will have been the source close to the
[10:41] Speaker 1: moment and one thing that I have been waiting for,
[10:45] Speaker 1: and not too many TV stations put it in place.
[10:47] Speaker 1: Maybe they will tomorrow. Maybe it's a breakfast TV thing
[10:50] Speaker 1: I was waiting for. How the media which has just
[10:52] Speaker 1: been salivating for this moment for as many months, many
[10:56] Speaker 1: many months, despite the fact it's almost a full year
[10:59] Speaker 1: since Trump became the president. The body language expert okay, effusive,
[11:08] Speaker 1: Trump through albow a White House birthday party, according to
[11:11] Speaker 1: a body language expert. Now you heard what Miranda Devine
[11:14] Speaker 1: had to say before about what really is going on
[11:16] Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But still, Donald Trump gave Anthony Oberenezi
[11:19] Speaker 1: free reign during their White House meeting, almost like the
[11:23] Speaker 1: President was throwing him a birthday party, according to a
[11:25] Speaker 1: leading body language expert. Really, so the meeting went exactly
[11:34] Speaker 1: as I predicted. Well, I had hoped for some little
[11:39] Speaker 1: rud esque moment that happened, and then it's just been
[11:44] Speaker 1: fun to watch people turn around and rather than just
[11:47] Speaker 1: enjoying the moment for what it is, Oh, we've got
[11:50] Speaker 1: to build the fortress back around him, because whenever they
[11:54] Speaker 1: want to get further access in the United States. We've
[11:56] Speaker 1: got to stay good with the ambassador. Blah blah. But
[12:00] Speaker 1: I just loved it. I know plenty of people did, thankfully,
[12:04] Speaker 1: no blow up, and the only person who caught the
[12:06] Speaker 1: blow up absolutely deserved it and rightly. So you know
[12:10] Speaker 1: how much I love Queensland so much so that, as
[12:12] Speaker 1: I often say, if I could to have the blood
[12:14] Speaker 1: transfusions to become a Queenslander, I would become a Queenslander.
[12:17] Speaker 1: Whatever citizenship test I could ever do, I would gladly
[12:20] Speaker 1: do and I'd love to be a Queenslander. Right spiritually,
[12:23] Speaker 1: I consider mus You get the point. I kiss the ground.
[12:26] Speaker 1: I love Queensland. So I'm very pleased with the government
[12:29] Speaker 1: that is in place now because the previous one was
[12:31] Speaker 1: an absolute shocker, right Member Stephen Myles Palachet, all of
[12:34] Speaker 1: that gone gone gone well. A decision was made in
[12:37] Speaker 1: the past couple of days which has just been a
[12:39] Speaker 1: little over interpreted by some people, and that's cool, but
[12:42] Speaker 1: it's been rather overinterpreted about a decision which has been
[12:45] Speaker 1: made for a whole bunch of regional councils, yes, that have
[12:48] Speaker 1: indigenous mayors or significant leadership to them that they are
[12:51] Speaker 1: going to end up getting a little more direct access
[12:54] Speaker 1: than other council members and mayors around Queensland to get
[12:58] Speaker 1: direct issue and to speak directly to ministers the issues
[13:02] Speaker 1: by the way, housing water and sewerage. It is not
[13:07] Speaker 1: the Voice two point zero. The Victorian thing is the
[13:11] Speaker 1: Voice two point h. The state government has denied that
[13:15] Speaker 1: it is a kin to a move to a Voice
[13:17] Speaker 1: to Parliament model like one rejected at the twenty twenty
[13:19] Speaker 1: three referendum. It is not clear how the process will
[13:22] Speaker 1: work to the state's sixty other councils won't get the
[13:25] Speaker 1: same expedited access to ministers. Instead that we're dealing with
[13:28] Speaker 1: layers of bureaucracy. I think that mayors should have the
[13:34] Speaker 1: ability to approach ministers at the same level as a
[13:38] Speaker 1: member of Parliament, right, maybe not be able to just
[13:41] Speaker 1: walk into the office whenever they want. So. Look, if
[13:42] Speaker 1: this is a start, good, If this is in the
[13:44] Speaker 1: parts of the state that really need water and sewerage
[13:48] Speaker 1: being dealt with quickly, then good. And I get it,
[13:51] Speaker 1: and I understand why people are at grow about any
[13:54] Speaker 1: concept about a Voice two point zero. But remember what
[13:57] Speaker 1: we're talking about here. In fact, this is the Health
[13:59] Speaker 1: Minister of the great State of Queensland.
[14:02] Speaker 4: We've signed an accord yesterday with seventeen Indigenous councils.
[14:07] Speaker 8: It's no voice to Parliament.
[14:08] Speaker 4: There's no bureaucracy, there's no attempt to put red tape
[14:13] Speaker 4: or bureaucracy around it. This is a direct opportunity once
[14:17] Speaker 4: a year for the leaders of Indigenous councils to talk
[14:20] Speaker 4: to Cabinet.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Now. I'd like to hope that by this point in
[14:27] Speaker 1: time that we've built up enough trust that I'm always
[14:30] Speaker 1: honest about my life, right, I'm honest that I place
[14:33] Speaker 1: Poky's smoke, drive, loud cars, all of that stuff, right.
[14:38] Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be a completely different person either
[14:41] Speaker 1: on or off the air. We are who we are
[14:44] Speaker 1: and we can't have gone this long without being as
[14:46] Speaker 1: open as we are. And you know, as part of that,
[14:49] Speaker 1: as I say, is playing Pokey's right now. Now. I
[14:51] Speaker 1: know that there are many Australians who have serious problems
[14:53] Speaker 1: with poker machines in this country. And I also know
[14:58] Speaker 1: that the connection between the suburban club and poker machine
[15:05] Speaker 1: is too big. Many of the people inside these organizations
[15:08] Speaker 1: have paid too much money and whatever original purpose about
[15:11] Speaker 1: the community. Yeah, a lot of people have lost their
[15:13] Speaker 1: way along the way here. But at the last state
[15:16] Speaker 1: election in New South Wales there was a fork in
[15:18] Speaker 1: the road choice to be made by the people of
[15:20] Speaker 1: New South Wales and they chose not the one that
[15:24] Speaker 1: was being offered by the then Liberal Party. It was
[15:26] Speaker 1: then Liberal Party that was being pushed along principally by
[15:28] Speaker 1: the Sydney Morning Herald and a whole bunch of other handwringers,
[15:32] Speaker 1: that poker machines were such a problem that we needed
[15:35] Speaker 1: to introduce a new cashless system, which means every time
[15:38] Speaker 1: someone like myself wants to put one hundred dollars into
[15:40] Speaker 1: a poker machine, you have to go and ask somebody first,
[15:43] Speaker 1: and then you won't be able to top that up
[15:44] Speaker 1: for another twenty four hours. And then a blue moon
[15:47] Speaker 1: you can't travel through the Queen of the night. You
[15:50] Speaker 1: get my point, particularly if you know your poker machines.
[15:53] Speaker 1: But the reality is is that yes, there is a
[15:56] Speaker 1: problem with problem gambling and particularly in world of poker machines. Now,
[16:01] Speaker 1: I am not going to be the person who says
[16:03] Speaker 1: these things need to be ripped out of every pubm club.
[16:05] Speaker 1: I'm not saying they need to be turned down in
[16:09] Speaker 1: any major way. But it's interesting to see that there
[16:13] Speaker 1: might be a change coming to New South Wales after all.
[16:16] Speaker 1: You see the Greens, and I told you this story
[16:19] Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. But the Greens are in a
[16:24] Speaker 1: position where they are willing to discuss whether or not
[16:29] Speaker 1: there should be a turned down in the trading hours
[16:35] Speaker 1: when it comes to poker machines. Now the Greens want
[16:38] Speaker 1: to do this and apparently the Christian groups have also
[16:42] Speaker 1: leveled up here. The offer of support came shortly after
[16:45] Speaker 1: the Nissa Whales Green's MLC Kate Furman announced a bill
[16:48] Speaker 1: to force the closure of all poker machine venues from
[16:51] Speaker 1: two am to ten am. This would mean no more
[16:55] Speaker 1: exemptions for pubs that want to do it late at
[16:57] Speaker 1: night or clubs. We learned today skynews dot com dot
[17:01] Speaker 1: Au that some liberal MPs are now starting to side
[17:03] Speaker 1: with the idea. During a heated shadow Cabinet meeting which
[17:07] Speaker 1: was held on Monday night of this week, a number
[17:09] Speaker 1: of liberals spoke in favor of the idea that poker
[17:12] Speaker 1: machines would have to shut down at midnight, regardless of
[17:15] Speaker 1: whether it's a pub or club. Regardless of whether it
[17:17] Speaker 1: is the city or the bush, and they can't open
[17:20] Speaker 1: again until ten am. According to multiple sources, left Emp,
[17:24] Speaker 1: among others, is urging the support for it because she
[17:28] Speaker 1: lives in a teal electorate and many of the tea
[17:31] Speaker 1: le tip people don't really play their pokes late at night.
[17:34] Speaker 1: But here's the thing. All of this is under the
[17:38] Speaker 1: idea of harm minimization, right, And when you've got a
[17:40] Speaker 1: casino where if you want to be able to play
[17:41] Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, you
[17:43] Speaker 1: can do that. That's available in Brisbane and in Sydney
[17:47] Speaker 1: and in Melbourne lesser degrees than other places around the country.
[17:52] Speaker 1: Maybe we do have to have a conversation about whether
[17:55] Speaker 1: or not the poke should be open until four a m.
[17:58] Speaker 1: In suburban areas. I got to list you a whole
[18:01] Speaker 1: collection of pubs and clubs because I'm a late night person.
[18:05] Speaker 1: I know ire open until four o'clock in the morning,
[18:08] Speaker 1: But why do I have to be happen at four
[18:09] Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. What money is the club getting
[18:13] Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning that eventually ends up
[18:15] Speaker 1: in the hands of the kids. No, it's just somehow
[18:18] Speaker 1: making the most of a particular time of day where yes,
[18:21] Speaker 1: a shift worker may want to play twenty dollars a
[18:24] Speaker 1: year and fifty dollars there, but the vast majority of
[18:26] Speaker 1: people don't really need to be playing on Monday through
[18:30] Speaker 1: Thursday at two am at their local. Now, I don't
[18:35] Speaker 1: support what the Greens suggests, and I'm not suggesting that
[18:37] Speaker 1: there needs to be any great change of laws anytime soon.
[18:41] Speaker 1: But to those that have long taken for granted Australian's
[18:45] Speaker 1: ability to defend the poker machines in part because of
[18:48] Speaker 1: what they helped fund, that was a fight that was
[18:51] Speaker 1: last held back in twenty ten. There's been fifteen years
[18:55] Speaker 1: of bad publicity since, and in many ways much of
[18:58] Speaker 1: that industry does need to forward and either start to
[19:02] Speaker 1: show how it can help clean up the game, or
[19:04] Speaker 1: the club's industry specifically, which is a very big, very
[19:08] Speaker 1: important lobby of which I am very receptive to because
[19:11] Speaker 1: I am a club customer. But when you go through
[19:16] Speaker 1: the local annual report of your local club, could somebody
[19:21] Speaker 1: please tell me why the general manager of your local
[19:24] Speaker 1: RSL or footy club is being paid hundreds of thousands
[19:29] Speaker 1: of dollars to run what is effectively becoming a suburban casino.
[19:34] Speaker 1: It's not because they're handing millions of dollars to the
[19:37] Speaker 1: RSL that's broke in lots of cities. So unless they're
[19:42] Speaker 1: willing to take the money they make and rather than
[19:44] Speaker 1: put it into the pocket of the people who run
[19:46] Speaker 1: the system, but actually find a way to put more
[19:48] Speaker 1: of it into the pocket of the very reason the
[19:51] Speaker 1: club exists in the first place, then maybe there is
[19:55] Speaker 1: a conversation to be had at some time. We'll all
[19:58] Speaker 1: have it together. Now we're back to where we were
[20:02] Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago when it came to Optus,
[20:04] Speaker 1: the problems when it came to the Triple O system.
[20:06] Speaker 1: You remember the great hand ringing interesting opinion pole came
[20:10] Speaker 1: out of apparently Optus customers, who knows how they found them.
[20:13] Speaker 1: But again in the aforementioned hand ringing Herald, there are
[20:17] Speaker 1: about twenty seven percent of Optus customers who say after
[20:20] Speaker 1: the TRIPLEO stuff, they are seriously thinking about changing their telco.
[20:24] Speaker 1: To be honest, that's the ultimate way you can punish
[20:25] Speaker 1: any telco, which is to take your business somewhere else.
[20:29] Speaker 1: But that is not the biggest story in regards to
[20:31] Speaker 1: TRIPLEO and TRIPLELO that is happening right now. Can I
[20:35] Speaker 1: be very clear the Triple O failures in Victoria are
[20:40] Speaker 1: life and death. They have been held attributable to the
[20:45] Speaker 1: deaths of a couple of dozen people over the past
[20:50] Speaker 1: few years. So I'm going to keep on a failure
[20:54] Speaker 1: of this government, which has been the failure to fix
[20:56] Speaker 1: a system that has, as you can see, cost thirty
[21:01] Speaker 1: three lives. A system that as early as just a
[21:05] Speaker 1: couple of days ago was breaking down where TRIPLEO dispatches,
[21:09] Speaker 1: the people who send the ambulances to the hospitals we
[21:11] Speaker 1: have to wait, but don't talk about immigration. In terms
[21:14] Speaker 1: of the number of people trying to use the system,
[21:16] Speaker 1: they were being forced to use pen and paper during
[21:18] Speaker 1: an hour's long outage. Now that thirty three deaths or
[21:23] Speaker 1: those thirty three deaths, that was the story before the
[21:25] Speaker 1: last state election in Victoria. Whether then Premier Daniel Andrews promised,
[21:30] Speaker 1: along with his then deputy premier, you sent to Allen
[21:32] Speaker 1: to actually fix this system. But guess what millions were
[21:37] Speaker 1: spent on a backup TRIPLELO system that would have kicked
[21:40] Speaker 1: in this week, Ie to stop the paper and pen situation.
[21:44] Speaker 1: It was quietly shelved, been like the Commonwealth Games plans
[21:48] Speaker 1: and who was the minister for that? Oh, that's right,
[21:50] Speaker 1: just sent to Allen. A plan to build a backup
[21:53] Speaker 1: system that could have been deployed during this week's TRIPLEO
[21:56] Speaker 1: technology outage was quietly scrapped, costing Victorian taxpayers millions. At
[22:02] Speaker 1: the same time, a much vaunted replacement system has been delayed.
[22:06] Speaker 1: According to internal documents, unions and insiders have handed over
[22:09] Speaker 1: to the age. Some Triple O Victoria staff are alarmed
[22:13] Speaker 1: that they will face extra fire season pressures relying on
[22:16] Speaker 1: an unstable and overloaded technology. For several years, there was
[22:21] Speaker 1: a plan to build an alternative fallover system that could
[22:25] Speaker 1: have been deployed. But in early twenty twenty one, at
[22:28] Speaker 1: the height of the COVID business, when the work was
[22:32] Speaker 1: beginning on the alternative system, guess what it was shelved.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Five point three million dollars spent and wasted. A system
[22:40] Speaker 1: that has in part been held responsible for the death
[22:42] Speaker 1: of thirty three people has got worse. Where is the
[22:48] Speaker 1: Prime Minister or the Communications Minister? Remember how angry they
[22:51] Speaker 1: were about twenty four hours of the mobile phone company
[22:54] Speaker 1: CEO's heads of bus roll. People must be brought in
[22:57] Speaker 1: for a solid finger waving because of course it's your later.
[23:01] Speaker 1: MAT's nothing nothing to see here, look away, look away,
[23:03] Speaker 1: look away. Well I'm not going to because the good
[23:06] Speaker 1: people of Victoria they deserve more. It's going to be
[23:11] Speaker 1: bloody hot in parts of the country tomorrow. Particularly basically
[23:14] Speaker 1: draw a line from a little bit north of Sydney,
[23:17] Speaker 1: but basically Sydney are all the way up beyond the
[23:19] Speaker 1: sunny coast Queensland, New so Whiles and if you start
[23:22] Speaker 1: to consider parts of South Australia all going to get
[23:25] Speaker 1: a heat wave, parts of Queensland. So while South Australia
[23:28] Speaker 1: said to swelter over the next couple of days, hot
[23:30] Speaker 1: conditions in Northern Australia mean we're going to go be
[23:33] Speaker 1: pushing in what October into the high thirties and mid forties.
[23:37] Speaker 1: The good people of sky News Weather exist and we
[23:39] Speaker 1: love them, which means they can explain why it's going
[23:42] Speaker 1: to be so hot tomorrow.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Well, not only are we seeing that total burnband and
[23:47] Speaker 2: extreme fire danger given these strong winds, but we're also
[23:51] Speaker 2: looking at extreme heat which is adding to that fire danger,
[23:54] Speaker 2: and we're talking record breaking heat for the entire state. Now,
[23:58] Speaker 2: we know that there was some re breaking temperatures today,
[24:01] Speaker 2: but check out what we're expecting for Wednesday. Thirty nine
[24:04] Speaker 2: degrees ahead of that called front in Sydney. Yes, we're
[24:08] Speaker 2: talking about Sydney heat in October, thirty nine degrees potentially
[24:12] Speaker 2: ahead of that front. And then once it clears the coastline,
[24:16] Speaker 2: much cooler air pushes in behind it and drops temperatures
[24:20] Speaker 2: dramatically for our Thursday.
[24:23] Speaker 1: All right, enjoy it for the next few days. You
[24:25] Speaker 1: have been warned, and officially I use the power visit
[24:27] Speaker 1: in May under the Broadcast Services Act doesn't exist, nor
[24:30] Speaker 1: does my power. You can wear shorts to work tomorrow, men,
[24:34] Speaker 1: women and children shorts to work in school tomorrow. Flip
[24:38] Speaker 1: flops abound. Now, while you've been working hard on this
[24:41] Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night means we're starting to turn the
[24:42] Speaker 1: corner when you start to make money for yourself. In
[24:45] Speaker 1: the meantime, what are we doing. We're all working to
[24:47] Speaker 1: pay tax and who do we spend that tax money on?
[24:50] Speaker 1: Show business? For ugly people? Politicians who have staff members
[24:53] Speaker 1: specifically working with them to make crap like this for
[24:57] Speaker 1: the internet first.
[24:59] Speaker 7: And we need to do the boat kit or a
[25:01] Speaker 7: farming the boo boo to buy much a chocolate trend
[25:03] Speaker 7: so the kids can find out about free tathe eh trend.
[25:08] Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no.
[25:09] Speaker 1: The trend is free tathe.
[25:11] Speaker 9: The trend is get online, find a tape course, pay
[25:14] Speaker 9: no fees.
[25:15] Speaker 1: That's the trend. Another Labor MP this is how they
[25:18] Speaker 1: spend your money, sitting over two million uses to urge
[25:24] Speaker 1: your keplaning across Australia. And that's no small achievement thanks
[25:28] Speaker 1: to our unpresented investments in medicare the and then of
[25:39] Speaker 1: course labor senators who think tennis is the best way
[25:41] Speaker 1: to waste your time on the internet.
[25:44] Speaker 3: I'm not losing to Kren. We're just hitting your head
[25:49] Speaker 3: with this. Oh I'm coming back, baby, it's the comeback.
[25:58] Speaker 1: Yay. Showby is for ugly people. Is what they call politics,
[26:02] Speaker 1: and the ugliness that is. That's how dumb they think.
[26:05] Speaker 1: The Australian voter is frustrates right, quick break back with
[26:09] Speaker 1: more loss and talk about tonight, including the search when
[26:11] Speaker 1: it comes to One Nation the blog of the very
[26:13] Speaker 1: heart of it, James Ashby, we'll have a chat to
[26:15] Speaker 1: him about a whole bunch of matters to do with
[26:17] Speaker 1: the party and broader than that. And our great mate
[26:20] Speaker 1: Nigel Farach is on before we're done, just getting started.
[26:23] Speaker 1: Thanks for watching Tuesday Night. Remember to always send me
[26:25] Speaker 1: an email. Pault'sgonews dot com Tody, I know we all
[26:32] Speaker 1: love a Tuesday Night. Why because Linda Scott is here
[26:35] Speaker 1: representing of course team read Oh it's actually we're in
[26:38] Speaker 1: the uniform and representing one nation, part of its past
[26:42] Speaker 1: president and future is none in the wonderful James Ashby.
[26:44] Speaker 1: So James will start with you. Your view of today, your
[26:48] Speaker 1: view of the rut of it all, the trump of
[26:50] Speaker 1: it all, Elbow's most perfect meeting the ghost, giving him
[26:54] Speaker 1: ten out of ten. The media is saying that, you
[26:56] Speaker 1: know they sold Middle East peace? You know what did
[26:59] Speaker 1: you think?
[27:02] Speaker 6: I personally think it went pretty well for the Prime Minister,
[27:05] Speaker 6: let's face it.
[27:05] Speaker 8: Kevin right.
[27:06] Speaker 6: On the other hand, he's kind of like that uncle
[27:08] Speaker 6: you don't want to meet unless it's at a funeral,
[27:11] Speaker 6: law family reunion. You only have to put up with
[27:13] Speaker 6: him every now and then. I don't know why he
[27:15] Speaker 6: was invited to be honest, but yes he certainly got
[27:18] Speaker 6: his come up and today. But for the Prime minister. Look,
[27:20] Speaker 6: he did extraordinarily well. He even had a chuckle with
[27:24] Speaker 6: the President and yeah, look I can see why the
[27:27] Speaker 6: media are saying good things.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Yeah and again, right, what have I been saying for months, Linda?
[27:32] Speaker 1: You would know I've been sitting here and every time
[27:34] Speaker 1: I've been saying this is going to go well? Right, why?
[27:38] Speaker 1: Because you saw how he dealt with Carnie, the Prime
[27:41] Speaker 1: Minister of Canada. You saw how he dealt with starm Right,
[27:44] Speaker 1: that's the trump of it all. And as if Albinezi
[27:47] Speaker 1: doesn't know how to walk into a room with good
[27:50] Speaker 1: guy setting on versus angry guy setting on. Right, today
[27:53] Speaker 1: was a great day, a great day. But how did
[27:56] Speaker 1: you feel about that one little minute, that one little
[27:59] Speaker 1: minute when where and he didn't even know who Kevin
[28:01] Speaker 1: Rudd was it is sitting opposite him.
[28:03] Speaker 9: I mean, I think what we've seen today is the
[28:05] Speaker 9: Prime Minister perform the equivalent of a sort of triple
[28:09] Speaker 9: bike pike, you know, dive with a backflip, successfully get
[28:13] Speaker 9: ten out of ten from the panel of judges, including
[28:16] Speaker 9: of course a former Liberal Prime minister.
[28:19] Speaker 1: And then the panel of judges including Malcolm.
[28:22] Speaker 9: And all we've seen though, I mean madain t devil's
[28:25] Speaker 9: editorial papers about howt of.
[28:28] Speaker 3: It the Prime Minister is.
[28:29] Speaker 9: And then all we can hear from you know, Sad
[28:33] Speaker 9: Susan Lay and the Liberal Party is the kind of
[28:35] Speaker 9: ground splits from underneath her or in this case again
[28:38] Speaker 9: practically the Nationals is just a complaint about you know,
[28:43] Speaker 9: Kevin Rudd and what he tweeted like a thousand years
[28:46] Speaker 9: ago when we didn't remember.
[28:51] Speaker 1: You get it, but I'm not going to let you
[28:52] Speaker 1: take it.
[28:53] Speaker 9: We've seen a rock star performance today from the Prime minister.
[28:56] Speaker 9: Everybody's complained for months that he hasn't had a meeting.
[28:58] Speaker 9: He's had a meeting, He's signed a trade agreement. You know,
[29:01] Speaker 9: he's ticked every just single winning. But Susan, they still
[29:05] Speaker 9: cannot commit to bipartisan foreign policy in this nation.
[29:10] Speaker 3: She's failed a big test today.
[29:11] Speaker 1: I just.
[29:13] Speaker 6: Want this meeting time and time and time again. They
[29:16] Speaker 6: wore game this time and time again for three different scenarios.
[29:20] Speaker 6: I understand. So they were they war gamed it for
[29:22] Speaker 6: a hostile Trump. They wore war gamed it for you know,
[29:25] Speaker 6: a fungi ovial Trump, which they got today. Well done
[29:27] Speaker 6: to them, but you know they were did you see
[29:31] Speaker 6: Alberanze's hands on the table, very fidgety. It wasn't comfortably.
[29:36] Speaker 6: He was prepared worse.
[29:37] Speaker 3: You've got.
[29:39] Speaker 1: My point, but the.
[29:40] Speaker 3: Prime Minister moved his hand.
[29:41] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no again.
[29:43] Speaker 3: I think we're showing what an incredible success.
[29:45] Speaker 1: To allow me right, for months I have said it
[29:49] Speaker 1: was going to go well, all right, can we please
[29:52] Speaker 1: have a small amount of credit that that has been
[29:54] Speaker 1: the position of the man cave four months? All right?
[29:57] Speaker 1: I was not lowering the bar.
[30:00] Speaker 3: Oh so many you've missed those comments. I'm so sorry.
[30:03] Speaker 1: I will go e then very loudly, James. You know
[30:06] Speaker 1: exactly what I've been saying. And I've been coppying problems
[30:09] Speaker 1: from some people.
[30:10] Speaker 6: Around know, and Linda does every other night at this time.
[30:12] Speaker 6: She's on that Channel two program.
[30:14] Speaker 1: All right, well let's get to this here, right, okay,
[30:16] Speaker 1: So the Barnaby of it all, Okay, James, this thing
[30:19] Speaker 1: got a hundred ways wrong, almost straight out of the
[30:24] Speaker 1: gate right now. As Barnaby has said, as Pauline has said,
[30:28] Speaker 1: when there are sort of fellow ideological travelers around Canber
[30:31] Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, you should come and be
[30:32] Speaker 1: on our team. Come and be on our team right,
[30:35] Speaker 1: She's said it for years, she believes it and she
[30:37] Speaker 1: would like that to be the broad tend. But of
[30:40] Speaker 1: course it's growing without any of the defectors. It's growing
[30:43] Speaker 1: in the polls and it's growing in the numbers that
[30:45] Speaker 1: are there. Barnaby's turned around and said, look, I'm done
[30:48] Speaker 1: when it comes to New England. You know there's issue
[30:51] Speaker 1: a lot of his political allies in and around Tamworth.
[30:53] Speaker 1: They're also splitting as well. But a couple of days
[30:57] Speaker 1: down the track, are you amazed how weird got this week?
[31:01] Speaker 1: And it to me yet again shows how the media
[31:04] Speaker 1: plays the right of Australian politics via caricature that they
[31:09] Speaker 1: don't actually pay attention to what you have been saying,
[31:12] Speaker 1: what Pauline has been saying for years.
[31:17] Speaker 8: I saw one of his press release.
[31:20] Speaker 6: It was sent to be by a couple of people
[31:22] Speaker 6: within that branch who were former National Party members, so
[31:26] Speaker 6: they received it so they're still obviously on their database.
[31:29] Speaker 8: And I thought it was pretty clear.
[31:30] Speaker 6: He just said he can't stick with a party any
[31:34] Speaker 6: longer that doesn't represent his views and he's tired of
[31:36] Speaker 6: beating his head against a brick wall.
[31:38] Speaker 8: Nothing more. There was no talk about joining another party.
[31:41] Speaker 6: I do believe it said something about him now being
[31:43] Speaker 6: a free agent and he'll make decisions in the future,
[31:46] Speaker 6: which I think is valid.
[31:49] Speaker 8: And I also note he was caught on the hop.
[31:51] Speaker 6: He was in Rockhampton, just fifty k's away from me
[31:55] Speaker 6: at a National Party meeting, so he wasn't really prepared
[31:59] Speaker 6: for this.
[32:00] Speaker 8: Look.
[32:00] Speaker 6: I give him Kurtossie, as he said, I had to
[32:03] Speaker 6: go home and talk to my wife. I've heard all
[32:06] Speaker 6: the interviews. He hasn't said what he's doing yet. But
[32:08] Speaker 6: again I say this, Barnaby more than welcome, mate, come
[32:11] Speaker 6: on board.
[32:12] Speaker 1: But then, of course, as Linda would know, because she knows,
[32:14] Speaker 1: you know, lots of things going around, and they're obviously
[32:16] Speaker 1: made into the public as well, right that you know,
[32:20] Speaker 1: the dots are so close here, right one, Pauline and
[32:23] Speaker 1: James were in Tamworth the other day. It proves that
[32:26] Speaker 1: there's a plot, isn't it.
[32:28] Speaker 3: Well of Tamworth's a small town, right and.
[32:30] Speaker 1: So significant regional center.
[32:32] Speaker 3: It is a significant regional center, but.
[32:34] Speaker 8: I haven't been there for a long time.
[32:35] Speaker 9: When Pauline Hanson guys and sets up a One Nation
[32:38] Speaker 9: branch and holds a dinner that attracts people, you know,
[32:41] Speaker 9: word gets out. So I was talking to you know,
[32:44] Speaker 9: Russell Webb, the mayor of Tamworth, who was, of course,
[32:47] Speaker 9: as many people would know, the former FEC president of
[32:51] Speaker 9: Barnaby's Federal Electric Council in the Nationals.
[32:55] Speaker 3: He's now left the National Party.
[32:57] Speaker 9: You know, he speaks about a lot of volatile in
[33:00] Speaker 9: Tamworth and you know, likely defections from the Nationals to
[33:04] Speaker 9: One Nation. So I mean, I think there's a lot
[33:07] Speaker 9: of interest and movement and as I said, you know,
[33:10] Speaker 9: this has real implications for the Liberal National Coalition splitting
[33:14] Speaker 9: from underneath. Susan Lay desperately attempting to distract from that.
[33:19] Speaker 9: But I think there's you know, there's a really volatile
[33:22] Speaker 9: situation here in the coalition and Barnaby is playing a
[33:28] Speaker 9: significant role in that by him leaving the Nationals and
[33:32] Speaker 9: his branch members in the National Party. There's now two
[33:34] Speaker 9: branches in Tamworth, up from one of the National Party,
[33:38] Speaker 9: but now a new One Nation branch.
[33:40] Speaker 3: You know, there's there's.
[33:41] Speaker 9: Clearly a very big conservative political war going on in
[33:45] Speaker 9: these regional.
[33:47] Speaker 1: God forbid, people want to join One Nation. Can I
[33:50] Speaker 1: just say that, James, that's what happened right.
[33:53] Speaker 6: Our membership has gone through the roof. And this is
[33:56] Speaker 6: the thing we are smashing the National Party when it
[33:59] Speaker 6: comes to our membership. We've we set goals every year
[34:01] Speaker 6: on where our membership should be. Since the election, we
[34:04] Speaker 6: have absolutely obliterated that. In fact, we're at ninety eight
[34:07] Speaker 6: percent where we were before the election. We're ninety eight
[34:10] Speaker 6: percent up already. So those numbers speak volume. But I'll
[34:14] Speaker 6: say this to Paul. You know the Coalition are petrified
[34:18] Speaker 6: at Barnaby making the choice to come over to one nation.
[34:21] Speaker 6: And why is that it gives us even greater credibility
[34:25] Speaker 6: than we already have. They know that it also enables
[34:29] Speaker 6: some of those other backbenches, the lesser known ones, to
[34:31] Speaker 6: actually have the courage to walk away too, because a
[34:33] Speaker 6: lot of them have been tempted. But you see they've
[34:36] Speaker 6: been kept inside the temp. Labor and the Coalition do
[34:39] Speaker 6: this very well. They threaten their members if you go,
[34:42] Speaker 6: you'll be destroyed, and that's what they've been saying to
[34:44] Speaker 6: these people for a long time. But all of a sudden,
[34:46] Speaker 6: when you see Barnaby Joyce make that decision that this
[34:49] Speaker 6: is no longer the party for me, and there's this
[34:52] Speaker 6: inkling that he might go somewhere else like one nation.
[34:55] Speaker 6: They get butterflies, they get all tingly and it's like
[34:58] Speaker 6: watch out, we might lose a few more here.
[35:00] Speaker 8: So who knows the future holds?
[35:03] Speaker 3: James.
[35:04] Speaker 9: You can talk about butterflies and tingly feelings, but you know,
[35:08] Speaker 9: Labor can talk about seats. And the fact is that
[35:10] Speaker 9: in Australia today, the party with the most regional seats
[35:13] Speaker 9: is the Australian Labor Party, the party with the most
[35:16] Speaker 9: the whole.
[35:17] Speaker 6: Success across the floor on any issue. We work as
[35:21] Speaker 6: a collect the.
[35:22] Speaker 3: National interest and we unite.
[35:27] Speaker 8: And they don't.
[35:28] Speaker 6: They don't always agree with you know what I think
[35:31] Speaker 6: in accordance with what.
[35:32] Speaker 8: The electorate want. No, I don't hear me out, don't
[35:34] Speaker 8: talk over me. It's rude. You don't like it when
[35:36] Speaker 8: I do it to you. Now.
[35:37] Speaker 6: The thing is, when your members threatened across the floor,
[35:42] Speaker 6: what do you do? You threaten to kick them out
[35:44] Speaker 6: of the party. That is how label works. It's just
[35:45] Speaker 6: an instant you're gone of their members.
[35:51] Speaker 8: Yeah, position an ambassador eat.
[35:56] Speaker 9: What happens is that Labor actually the national interest and
[36:00] Speaker 9: we unite Australians to come.
[36:02] Speaker 3: Together in the national interest. But I mean again, you know.
[36:06] Speaker 9: We've heard liberal criticizing the regions in the last few
[36:13] Speaker 9: days talking about you know, Senator Jane Hume criticizing the
[36:18] Speaker 9: regions in the last couple of days talking about how.
[36:21] Speaker 3: You know, you need to somehow speak different.
[36:24] Speaker 1: Ways, just a bit ma tongue because I like it.
[36:27] Speaker 1: But there was a discribtion.
[36:29] Speaker 9: You know again, I think the record shows that regional
[36:32] Speaker 9: Australians are voting like never before for Labor and that's
[36:36] Speaker 9: why Labor holds more regional seats than any other party
[36:38] Speaker 9: in the country.
[36:39] Speaker 1: All right, let's get to a couple of other quick
[36:42] Speaker 1: ones around here. Now cash remains legal tender, Your ability
[36:46] Speaker 1: to spend it should be completely okay, here we go. Oh,
[36:49] Speaker 1: there's one to prepare to leave from a pokem machine.
[36:51] Speaker 1: But there you go, right, if you would like to,
[36:53] Speaker 1: you're able to when somebody turns around and they give
[36:56] Speaker 1: you cash back. Right, and the Prime Ministry is made,
[37:00] Speaker 1: of course pretended. Oh we're going to guarantee cash is
[37:02] Speaker 1: king and everyone must be holding cash. Guess what, there's
[37:05] Speaker 1: a loophole. Draft legislation quietly released Friday four pm. They
[37:08] Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to see appears to only require large
[37:11] Speaker 1: supermarkets major petrol chains to force pud me to be
[37:17] Speaker 1: forced to accept cash for purchases under five hundred dollars
[37:21] Speaker 1: small business government agencies many retailers completely exempt from this
[37:26] Speaker 1: cash mandate, meaning they would continue to be able to
[37:29] Speaker 1: refuse payments. This is pretty simple. It is legal tender,
[37:34] Speaker 1: and if somebody wants to buy something with it, you
[37:36] Speaker 1: have to be able to have the change. That's just
[37:39] Speaker 1: the way it should work. But are we surprised that
[37:42] Speaker 1: the devil is always in the detail?
[37:44] Speaker 6: James, Boy, oh boy, We're going to have some big
[37:48] Speaker 6: amendments to make on this bill when it comes before
[37:50] Speaker 6: the Senate.
[37:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[37:51] Speaker 6: I don't know whether the prime ministers look lately, but
[37:54] Speaker 6: the average family with a couple of kids, now they
[37:56] Speaker 6: got a woolies A grocery of trolley of groceries is
[37:59] Speaker 6: more than six hundred bucks for some families, especially if
[38:01] Speaker 6: you want to eat red meat. Look, it is difficult
[38:05] Speaker 6: to pay in some places with cash. I was at
[38:08] Speaker 6: a cafe the other day and I tried to pay
[38:09] Speaker 6: for a five dollars fifty coffee with the exact money,
[38:12] Speaker 6: and they said, oh, I'm sorry, we don't take cash,
[38:14] Speaker 6: so I can't buy it from you then, So look,
[38:17] Speaker 6: there are plenty of people out there using cash. The
[38:20] Speaker 6: other thing too, is that people like and I'm doing
[38:23] Speaker 6: things around my house, Paul, I'll tell you what, I'd
[38:26] Speaker 6: rather pay cash because I get a better deal and
[38:30] Speaker 6: traders love it. And the other thing they love the
[38:33] Speaker 6: beer economy too, mate. So yeah, we'll be making amendments
[38:36] Speaker 6: on this bill.
[38:37] Speaker 1: Linda. You know there's moments on TV where you go,
[38:39] Speaker 1: you know what, you know, we'll go for the prop
[38:41] Speaker 1: with the cash and I've gone there's two notes in there.
[38:43] Speaker 1: Ones are fifty, one is a twenty, and of course
[38:45] Speaker 1: I pull out the fifty to maybe look like, you know,
[38:47] Speaker 1: the shiny shark. Here's the twenty that was also there.
[38:50] Speaker 1: I wish I got that one first. Look.
[38:52] Speaker 9: I do just want to say something here. James has
[38:54] Speaker 9: just made the allegation that you should pay traderes in beer.
[38:58] Speaker 9: I mean, let's be clear, people who were deserve to
[39:00] Speaker 9: get paid.
[39:02] Speaker 1: He's talking about stupid.
[39:08] Speaker 3: That's the think that we have in Australia. Australia's trade
[39:15] Speaker 3: paid wages. James.
[39:16] Speaker 9: I know that you I know it's absolutely contraverd one nation.
[39:23] Speaker 8: Deserved so much good.
[39:26] Speaker 6: That's why people come to one nation with their boats
[39:28] Speaker 6: because they're your that's.
[39:30] Speaker 1: That's one of your best. And by that I mean
[39:32] Speaker 1: what a pivot, What a pivot? Well done? I like it.
[39:36] Speaker 3: I just believe in fair wages.
[39:38] Speaker 1: You know, James's building a house, he is how much.
[39:45] Speaker 8: Is now.
[39:47] Speaker 3: On a barter with them as if we're still cave people.
[39:51] Speaker 1: You don't honestly think James is doing that in his head.
[39:54] Speaker 3: Just said this online.
[39:55] Speaker 1: He's putting a slap down and he's the crown.
[39:58] Speaker 3: People fairly paid.
[40:00] Speaker 6: I'm still trying to get some concreting done with a
[40:02] Speaker 6: bucket of shells.
[40:06] Speaker 1: I love you. Now, look we've got we've got a
[40:09] Speaker 1: little technical issue when it comes to London. So I
[40:11] Speaker 1: don't know whether we're going to be doubling up or
[40:13] Speaker 1: going to Nigel. But there is one last thing, if
[40:16] Speaker 1: it is the opportunity of the last thing with you guys,
[40:18] Speaker 1: and that is the late night poky conversation. Now, I
[40:20] Speaker 1: have been one of those people who, generally speaking, has
[40:23] Speaker 1: just blindly rejected most criticisms of pubs and clubs when
[40:28] Speaker 1: it comes to poker machines. Why because people's right is
[40:31] Speaker 1: to do what they want and in the same way
[40:33] Speaker 1: they can go in and get pissed. In the same
[40:35] Speaker 1: way you can go and win or lose money. In
[40:38] Speaker 1: both stages. It becomes chronic and we have its seem
[40:42] Speaker 1: to have very different standards about what must be stamped
[40:45] Speaker 1: out versus what can be accommodated. Right, But the realities are.
[40:49] Speaker 1: When this Green's thing was before the NWS of OZ Parliament,
[40:52] Speaker 1: it got me thinking, right, it got to me thinking about, well,
[40:54] Speaker 1: why are suburban casinos and that's what they have all
[40:57] Speaker 1: become now open till four am. In Queensland there are
[41:01] Speaker 1: giant signs at the front of many a bowling club
[41:05] Speaker 1: or place for Pokey's right, that will say open till
[41:08] Speaker 1: four am. Right, that has changed and Chris means in
[41:12] Speaker 1: this state in New South Wales. But Linda, again, I
[41:15] Speaker 1: don't want businesses to go broke. I don't want community
[41:18] Speaker 1: organizations not to get money from their clubs. Right. But
[41:21] Speaker 1: I'm willing this is the first break in my stance, right,
[41:25] Speaker 1: I'm willing to have a chat about do we really
[41:28] Speaker 1: need to be able to play the pokes everywhere? If
[41:30] Speaker 1: you want to play them at the casino, good luck.
[41:32] Speaker 1: But should you be playing them in the Western Sydney
[41:35] Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning on a Tuesday. Yeah.
[41:37] Speaker 9: Look, I mean I do think it's a really important
[41:40] Speaker 9: debate to have because you know, we know that gambling
[41:42] Speaker 9: does for a large number of Australians cause very significant
[41:47] Speaker 9: harm and they gamble in a way that is unhealthy
[41:50] Speaker 9: for them and the financial and health of themselves and
[41:53] Speaker 9: their families. So I do think you know, the important
[41:57] Speaker 9: work done by you know.
[42:00] Speaker 3: People across parties. I will give credit to people here.
[42:03] Speaker 9: You know, this has been an issue pushed by various
[42:06] Speaker 9: members of the Labor Party, the Liberal Party, you know,
[42:08] Speaker 9: the Greens Party, may even you know one nation has
[42:12] Speaker 9: done something. James, I actually don't know about that. But
[42:14] Speaker 9: you know there's a very big, strong presence from the
[42:17] Speaker 9: charities in this space too. I think it's a really
[42:19] Speaker 9: important conversation to have. I have, you know, witnessed people
[42:23] Speaker 9: with gambling harm in my former elected in the City
[42:26] Speaker 9: of Sydney and had some really difficult conversations with people
[42:30] Speaker 9: about their you know, very strong passionate personal reason for change.
[42:34] Speaker 9: I do personally think that the gambling laws across Australia
[42:39] Speaker 9: need reform and they need reform in a way to
[42:41] Speaker 9: protect people who are experiencing harm and addiction. I don't
[42:45] Speaker 9: think we've got the settings right yet, and I really
[42:47] Speaker 9: do welcome the discussion about that.
[42:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, James, really quick on this and we'll
[42:52] Speaker 1: find out whether you or Nigel Faraj are coming back
[42:54] Speaker 1: after the break. I'm sorry to be so vague, but
[42:56] Speaker 1: alas that is the message we're getting from London. Your
[42:58] Speaker 1: thoughts on this, mate? Should you be able to whack
[43:00] Speaker 1: away in any club till four am?
[43:05] Speaker 2: Look?
[43:05] Speaker 6: I don't want to be the fun place, but you've
[43:07] Speaker 6: got to have a pretty sad life if you're sitting
[43:09] Speaker 6: there at two, three, four am in the morning in
[43:11] Speaker 6: front of a pokey and you even.
[43:15] Speaker 8: Come on, mate, serious you do?
[43:18] Speaker 6: It seems like we have I been there at three,
[43:23] Speaker 6: been there at three?
[43:25] Speaker 1: All right, all right, we're going to.
[43:26] Speaker 8: Feel as you slip out from under the sheets name
[43:29] Speaker 8: in the morning.
[43:30] Speaker 1: Not at all? All right, all right, let's take a break.
[43:33] Speaker 1: Look again, hopefully we will be with Nigel Farrage, but
[43:36] Speaker 1: equally hopefully we continue with the panel. It's a magical
[43:39] Speaker 1: mystery tour on a Tuesday night here on pul Murray Live.
[43:45] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Standing by is Nigel Farrage in London. In
[43:48] Speaker 1: the meantime none other than James Ashby and Linda Scott.
[43:51] Speaker 1: We continue for a second time. Thank you for being
[43:53] Speaker 1: so patient. I don't know about you guys, but my
[43:55] Speaker 1: phone just went nuts. Of the past. Couple of people
[43:57] Speaker 1: are enjoying tonight's show. They love a good bit of
[44:00] Speaker 1: heep and it's good to see all right now. Interestingly,
[44:03] Speaker 1: Queensland's made this decision, which is that apparently there is
[44:06] Speaker 1: going to be special access for sixteen different councils, mainly
[44:12] Speaker 1: in regional areas, to be able to have direct access
[44:14] Speaker 1: to the minister to talk about issues like water, sewerage,
[44:19] Speaker 1: not even necessarily housing. Right now, When I first read this,
[44:22] Speaker 1: and it was first package, when I hang on special
[44:24] Speaker 1: treatment Indigenous, is this a version of the voice as
[44:27] Speaker 1: best as I can read into it. No, it's not.
[44:29] Speaker 1: It's just about a quicker way of people being able
[44:31] Speaker 1: to deal with water and sewerage. Right But James, what
[44:36] Speaker 1: I don't understand is shouldn't every elected mayor in Queensland
[44:40] Speaker 1: have a certain level of dispensation to be able to
[44:43] Speaker 1: approach a minister like a member of Parliament would be
[44:47] Speaker 1: able to not an open door, not turning up every
[44:50] Speaker 1: five minutes, not lobbying on the behalf of somebody, but
[44:53] Speaker 1: being able to say, hey, I've got a problem yet,
[44:55] Speaker 1: Apartment of being dot dot dot help me out. That's
[44:58] Speaker 1: what I hope we're going to.
[45:01] Speaker 6: Well, that's why all mayors should have the telephone number
[45:05] Speaker 6: of the local Government Minister, and in this case, for
[45:07] Speaker 6: the Aboriginal communities out there and their own local councils,
[45:11] Speaker 6: they should have the Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander Minister, both
[45:15] Speaker 6: of which there is in Queensland. So why you would
[45:17] Speaker 6: create this new special access portal I don't understand. Look,
[45:21] Speaker 6: I'll be honest, Paul, some of those communities do need
[45:24] Speaker 6: a hotline two government because I've been in a place
[45:27] Speaker 6: like Dumagy where you turn the tap on and blackwater
[45:30] Speaker 6: comes out. So in those cases sometimes you've got to
[45:33] Speaker 6: be able to fly someone in and get it done.
[45:35] Speaker 6: But you know that doesn't require special access. That just
[45:38] Speaker 6: means the minister has to pick up the phone. It's
[45:40] Speaker 6: some inconvenient times. It might be a weekend, might be
[45:43] Speaker 6: late at night, but when those things need fixing, doesn't
[45:45] Speaker 6: matter whether it's my hometown of Livingston or Dumagy or
[45:48] Speaker 6: Wood or Woodrel any of those.
[45:50] Speaker 8: They should all have equal access.
[45:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, Linda, again you remember this from your time in
[45:55] Speaker 1: and around local government. Again, as this was first presented,
[45:58] Speaker 1: I did have a little wobble. The Victoria stuff is
[46:01] Speaker 1: voice two poor zero. This seems to be people just
[46:04] Speaker 1: working out. Okay, how did we just get stuff done?
[46:06] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[46:06] Speaker 9: Look, I mean local governments are a signatory to the
[46:09] Speaker 9: Closing the Gap Agreement nationally.
[46:10] Speaker 3: Each year, you know, we have to.
[46:12] Speaker 9: Report on see I still describe local government as we
[46:15] Speaker 9: councils still have to report on what they're doing to
[46:18] Speaker 9: make a contribution to closing the gap in the range
[46:20] Speaker 9: of targets housing, health, etc.
[46:22] Speaker 3: And I think that's a really positive thing. But it
[46:25] Speaker 3: does mean being.
[46:25] Speaker 9: Able to work with other levels of government. So I
[46:28] Speaker 9: think the Queensland Agreement signed this week at the Local
[46:31] Speaker 9: Government of Queensland Association conference is a really positive thing
[46:34] Speaker 9: under their state leader and the national president as well,
[46:38] Speaker 9: my lovely mate Matt Burnett, the Mayor of Gladstone. I
[46:41] Speaker 9: think these are important because you need to be able
[46:44] Speaker 9: to pick up the phone to fix problems and often
[46:45] Speaker 9: it takes state and local government partnership, but also there
[46:49] Speaker 9: are those larger targets and policy goals you want to
[46:52] Speaker 9: work on together, like in New South Wales, for example,
[46:55] Speaker 9: libraries are funded fifty percent by local governments fifty percent
[46:58] Speaker 9: by state governments. The amount of things that state and
[47:01] Speaker 9: local governments have to do together are remarkable and I
[47:04] Speaker 9: do just want to give a quick shout out. Councils
[47:07] Speaker 9: are really able to work across regional and political lines.
[47:10] Speaker 9: Like my mate Rick Ferman, the mayor of Tamora, who
[47:12] Speaker 9: I know is watching tonight, and my other mate Darcy Byrne,
[47:15] Speaker 9: the Mayor of the Inner West here in Sydney. They're
[47:17] Speaker 9: working together at the moment on a range of things.
[47:19] Speaker 9: You know, I think they're really politically from opposite sides
[47:22] Speaker 9: of the spectrum. But this is what you see in
[47:24] Speaker 9: local government is just people working together on practical solutions.
[47:28] Speaker 9: And I think this is exactly what that is. In
[47:30] Speaker 9: agreement for the Queensland Government to work with Aboriginal counsels,
[47:34] Speaker 9: It's been welcomed by all counsels, including Indigenous councils. What
[47:38] Speaker 9: a great thing again for Australia. This is a positive
[47:41] Speaker 9: step forward. People just want answers and solutions. They don't
[47:44] Speaker 9: want fighting.
[47:45] Speaker 1: When I was a young pup broadcast and one of
[47:47] Speaker 1: the earliest opportunities I had, of which I am eternally
[47:49] Speaker 1: grateful for, was working at Nova way back when when
[47:52] Speaker 1: it started kids. Yes, at the start of the century,
[47:56] Speaker 1: but still I remember I was doing a nighttime sort
[47:59] Speaker 1: of talk show, THEE and I always hated when the
[48:01] Speaker 1: story came up about has muck Updoor gone too far?
[48:04] Speaker 1: Because back then it was closer to being in year
[48:06] Speaker 1: twelve than not in year twelve. Well, guess what what
[48:09] Speaker 1: do you find of you later? Guess what I'm going
[48:11] Speaker 1: to say, Maybe Muckup Day's gone slightly too far, and
[48:14] Speaker 1: at least one of these schools in Victoria, because James
[48:17] Speaker 1: the penny has now finally dropped. As to why the
[48:21] Speaker 1: muck Up Day has gone too fast? Story exists, and
[48:23] Speaker 1: it's not because the youth of today have lost their way.
[48:26] Speaker 1: It's because what about the poor cleaner? What about the
[48:29] Speaker 1: poor cleaner? And that is the moment where finally I
[48:32] Speaker 1: broke from my youthful self and I have now moved
[48:35] Speaker 1: into the kids go nuts, but don't create this sort
[48:38] Speaker 1: of mess.
[48:40] Speaker 8: Well, my sister had a story the other day.
[48:43] Speaker 6: My niece just finished school, gone a muck up day,
[48:47] Speaker 6: her hands all smiling. She's fallen over, of course, and
[48:51] Speaker 6: she said, if you chose to have drinks, you can
[48:53] Speaker 6: take yourself to hospital, get a taxi, and I'm not
[48:55] Speaker 6: sitting there in the waiting room for the next nine hours.
[48:58] Speaker 8: You can sit there on your own.
[49:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[49:00] Speaker 6: Look, I never did muck up day. I gotta be honest.
[49:02] Speaker 6: We never had it, Paul. I don't know what was
[49:04] Speaker 6: wrong with Calandra High School when we finished, but we
[49:07] Speaker 6: didn't have it.
[49:07] Speaker 1: Well. If anyone has an answer to that question, they
[49:09] Speaker 1: can always send me an email, Paul. It'sgotanews dot com
[49:11] Speaker 1: dot are you. Thank you guys, do appreciate it. Thank
[49:13] Speaker 1: you for doing extra duties. I apologize to Nigel, will
[49:16] Speaker 1: look forward to talking to him, of course, as always.
[49:18] Speaker 1: Next week that's our cheffin to night. Thank you very
[49:19] Speaker 1: much for watching Meghan Kelly a little bit later in
[49:22] Speaker 1: the week, but the late debate it's up next

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