# Paul Murray Live | 12 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 12 Apr 2026, 49 min.

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The federal government urges Australians to drive less to save fuel, Pauline Hanson calls for NDIS means-testing as pressure on Labor for reform rises. Plus, the US and Iran are yet to reach a deal as no agreement is made after peace talks. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Signing Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, James. Welcome into the man Cave on a
[0:08] Speaker 1: Sunday night. I am Caleb Bond in Fort Paul. Now
[0:11] Speaker 1: a groundbreaking case study from Canada. Apparently when you cut
[0:14] Speaker 1: the migration the rents go down extraordinary.
[0:17] Speaker 3: I know.
[0:18] Speaker 1: I'll take you through all that in a minute. Sorry.
[0:20] Speaker 1: Daniel Wild and Lie Hanson will be with me for
[0:23] Speaker 1: the panel a little later. Rotary prices go up by
[0:26] Speaker 1: twenty percent. I know it sounds extreme, but that's how
[0:29] Speaker 1: bad things are getting and the clerical government won't rule
[0:32] Speaker 1: it out. And a new campaign to say fuel Who
[0:34] Speaker 1: needs policies when you can just run ads? And we'll
[0:37] Speaker 1: cross to London to speak to talk TV host Mark
[0:39] Speaker 1: Dolan about all the latest out of the UK, including
[0:42] Speaker 1: one political leader who says that SUVs are destroying roads.
[0:46] Speaker 1: Wiley gets about in an suv. Now a shocking headline
[0:51] Speaker 1: in the Guardian today and yes, I promise you it
[0:53] Speaker 1: is real and it was in the Guardian. Here it
[0:56] Speaker 1: is Canada slashed migration and how housing costs dropped. There
[1:01] Speaker 1: may be lessons for Australia. No, I mean, who would
[1:15] Speaker 1: have thought that cutting migration could ease the pressure on
[1:18] Speaker 1: housing and who thought that the guardian of all outlets
[1:21] Speaker 1: would be here to pick up on it. But I
[1:23] Speaker 1: guess that's where we are. I guess there's any so
[1:26] Speaker 1: long that you can ignore reality. Now this piece is
[1:29] Speaker 1: it pains to say that migration is actually a good thing,
[1:32] Speaker 1: and don't get too carried away. It says, alongside the
[1:36] Speaker 1: many benefits, however, the influx of people placed pressure on
[1:40] Speaker 1: housing and services and exposed a lack of planning. Master
[1:44] Speaker 1: of the bleeding obvious over here, but anyway, It also
[1:47] Speaker 1: says Canada's decision to radically cut migration levels and slash
[1:51] Speaker 1: the number of foreign workers and students in the country
[1:54] Speaker 1: has delivered on its goal of reducing housing costs. Experts say, amazing,
[1:59] Speaker 1: isn't it.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Now.
[2:00] Speaker 1: I'll run you through what's been happening in Canada and
[2:02] Speaker 1: then we can talk about what this means for Australia.
[2:05] Speaker 1: But I think it'll become pretty obvious as I run
[2:08] Speaker 1: you through these numbers. So, for the two decades leading
[2:11] Speaker 1: up to COVID, the population growth in Canada was about
[2:15] Speaker 1: four hundred thousand people a year. Obviously, that fell off
[2:19] Speaker 1: a cliff during COVID, but post COVID it crept back
[2:23] Speaker 1: up again. The net total overseas migration in twenty twenty three,
[2:27] Speaker 1: which you can see on that graph there, hit a
[2:29] Speaker 1: touch over four hundred thousand. Then in twenty twenty four,
[2:34] Speaker 1: the Trudeau government that's a left wing government, cracked down
[2:37] Speaker 1: heavily on immigration, particularly temporary immigration, because it sniffed the
[2:41] Speaker 1: political wind and it knew there was a backlash coming.
[2:45] Speaker 1: It's had all the same problems that we have here
[2:47] Speaker 1: in terms of demand going up and not having enough
[2:50] Speaker 1: supply and so on. And since then immigration has gone
[2:54] Speaker 1: through the floor. Again. You can see on that graph,
[2:57] Speaker 1: net total overseas migration for twenty twenty five was minus
[3:03] Speaker 1: one hundred and three thousand people. Migration in Canada hasn't
[3:07] Speaker 1: just dropped, it's actually gone backwards. People are leaving the
[3:11] Speaker 1: country and they are not being replaced. In fact, the
[3:15] Speaker 1: population of Canada has declined for the first time since
[3:19] Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. They've had two consecutive quarters of population decline,
[3:26] Speaker 1: down seventy six point one thousand for the last quarter
[3:29] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five and one hundred and three and
[3:32] Speaker 1: a half thousand for the first quarter of this year.
[3:36] Speaker 1: They're not missing around in Canada. They're cracking down hard.
[3:40] Speaker 1: So what's it done for housing? Let's ask the Guardian.
[3:43] Speaker 1: They write average asking rents across all properties in year
[3:47] Speaker 1: on year terms have now been falling for seventeen straight
[3:50] Speaker 1: months nationally, according to rentals dot Ca. The impact on
[3:55] Speaker 1: home values has been more muted, but prices for apartments
[3:58] Speaker 1: in some big cities have drop by as much as
[4:01] Speaker 1: a third as demand from foreign students in particular disappears.
[4:05] Speaker 1: Seventeen straight quarters of rents getting cheaper. You can see
[4:10] Speaker 1: it there now on your screen, seventeen quarter or seventeen months,
[4:14] Speaker 1: I should say. So, what Canada has worked out, and
[4:18] Speaker 1: what the Guardian has now discovered is what you and
[4:21] Speaker 1: I have been saying for years, which is that immigration
[4:24] Speaker 1: has put pressure on the housing market and if you
[4:26] Speaker 1: want to do something about it, you have to aggressively
[4:30] Speaker 1: cut migration. Canada has aggressively cut migration and it's made
[4:35] Speaker 1: housing more avauidable. Welcome aboard to all the people who've
[4:39] Speaker 1: just become acquainted with basic market forces. All this crap.
[4:43] Speaker 1: We keep being told that we need to build more houses,
[4:45] Speaker 1: that's the real problem. Well, yes, more houses, means more supply,
[4:50] Speaker 1: which should theoretically make things easier. But you simply can't
[4:54] Speaker 1: create enough supply to account for not only all the
[4:57] Speaker 1: people who've already come in, but also all of those
[5:00] Speaker 1: who continue to come in. It's impossible to keep up.
[5:04] Speaker 1: So you can't simply build houses and think it'll fix
[5:06] Speaker 1: the problem. You have to turn off the tap of
[5:09] Speaker 1: people wanting those houses. That's what Canada's done. Low and
[5:13] Speaker 1: behold it's worked. And look at this. This is the
[5:16] Speaker 1: change in rents since COVID. The blue line is Australia
[5:20] Speaker 1: and the red line is Canada, so we both follow
[5:24] Speaker 1: a pretty similar path up to the end of twenty
[5:26] Speaker 1: twenty three, and then in Canada across twenty twenty four
[5:30] Speaker 1: the rents start to flat line and by the end
[5:32] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four they start decreasing. But in Australia
[5:37] Speaker 1: it just goes up and up and up. And now
[5:39] Speaker 1: you have the Housing Industry Association asking councils and state
[5:43] Speaker 1: governments to make the minimum size of housing blocks smaller
[5:47] Speaker 1: so they can pack in more houses and cheaper houses
[5:50] Speaker 1: into existing suburbs. So we get forced to live like sardines.
[5:54] Speaker 1: If we want some more affordable. And I don't know
[5:57] Speaker 1: about you, but this isn't the Australia I asked for,
[6:00] Speaker 1: certainly not the one I was born in. It's not
[6:02] Speaker 1: the one I want to live in. And here's some
[6:05] Speaker 1: new data from Victoria too, showing that first home buyers
[6:08] Speaker 1: are getting older. This is data from their stamp duty
[6:11] Speaker 1: concession scheme for first home bars. Sixty thousand, one hundred
[6:15] Speaker 1: and sixty people used it in the past financial year
[6:19] Speaker 1: and nineteen percent of them were forty or older. Nearly
[6:22] Speaker 1: one thousand of them were in their sixties, and the
[6:25] Speaker 1: proportion of first home buars being forty year older is growing.
[6:30] Speaker 1: But the government seems to be too scared to make
[6:32] Speaker 1: the connection between migration and housing. And when someone suggests
[6:37] Speaker 1: slashing migration one nation, for instance, wants to get it
[6:40] Speaker 1: to net zero, we read articles in the paper saying
[6:43] Speaker 1: how disastros it'll be. The Odds did this in February,
[6:46] Speaker 1: saying it had blow out the government's debt by four
[6:49] Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen billion dollars. Well, then, I mean, we
[6:53] Speaker 1: couldn't possibly go near such an idea, right, So we'll
[6:56] Speaker 1: just keep importing more and more people because the government
[6:59] Speaker 1: needs the tax to pay the debt. But then more
[7:01] Speaker 1: people means they need to provide more services, so they
[7:04] Speaker 1: need to spend more money, so then they need more
[7:06] Speaker 1: people to pay more taxes, and on and on it goes.
[7:09] Speaker 1: In this never ending Ponzi scheme. Migration isn't creating any
[7:13] Speaker 1: real economic growth. It's just papering over a lack of growth.
[7:18] Speaker 1: That's the real reason that the government is too scared
[7:21] Speaker 1: to do anything about it, because we'd go into recession
[7:24] Speaker 1: and then they'd have to face up to the reality
[7:26] Speaker 1: of the economy they've presided over. So in the meantime,
[7:30] Speaker 1: they'll keep up high migration, albeit a bit lower than
[7:33] Speaker 1: it used to be, and tell us that the answer
[7:36] Speaker 1: is to build even more, even though we know that
[7:38] Speaker 1: we can't build at the speed that they keep bringing
[7:41] Speaker 1: them in, and they'll ignore that Canada hasn't just gone
[7:44] Speaker 1: to net zero, it's gone to net negative migration and
[7:48] Speaker 1: it's making housing more affordable. It's not the answer, but
[7:52] Speaker 1: it's one piece of the puzzle. One nation's onto it.
[7:56] Speaker 1: Labor won't have the guts to go anywhere near it,
[7:58] Speaker 1: so I guess we'll have to see whether the coalition
[8:01] Speaker 1: is brave enough to look at what's happened overseas and
[8:04] Speaker 1: make the case here speaking of one nation, the doctor
[8:08] Speaker 1: of Paul Keating treasure of Jim Chalmers, says they're dangerous.
[8:24] Speaker 1: I think Akadak has probably a bit cooler than Jim.
[8:26] Speaker 1: But anyway, he spoke at politics in the pub event
[8:29] Speaker 1: in Brisbane today and he said we were at quote
[8:32] Speaker 1: a dangerous moment in the global economy playing out in
[8:35] Speaker 1: dangerous ways in global politics. He said that makes it
[8:39] Speaker 1: a decisive moment for Australia, a pivotal moment where we
[8:43] Speaker 1: have to decide together whether we go down the path
[8:45] Speaker 1: we've seen in other countries or polarizing politics, more divided
[8:49] Speaker 1: societies and hollowed out economies where opportunity isn't fairly distributed
[8:53] Speaker 1: and where that's concentrated in communities like ours and cascades
[8:57] Speaker 1: through generations. Hang on a minute, how does he think
[9:01] Speaker 1: we got to this point? Exactly? Who exactly does he
[9:05] Speaker 1: think has been hollowing out the economy. It's not one nation.
[9:09] Speaker 1: They're not in charge, but he's pointing at them and
[9:12] Speaker 1: saying they're the real danger. He says, they quote desperately
[9:16] Speaker 1: want Australia to fail. They've made the political calculation. This
[9:20] Speaker 1: is Charmers that the worse Australian's fair, the worse Australian performs. Sorry,
[9:27] Speaker 1: the worst Australia performs the country, the more divided our
[9:30] Speaker 1: politics and societies, the greater the dividend for them politically.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Take one Nation, he says, at every turn, in almost
[9:37] Speaker 1: every vote, when they've had the choice between voting how
[9:39] Speaker 1: communities like ours need them to or voting the way
[9:42] Speaker 1: Gina Raynhart tells them to, they make the wrong choice.
[9:46] Speaker 1: Their reason for being is to capitalize on the politics
[9:50] Speaker 1: of division, says the Treasurer. Our reason for being. It's
[9:53] Speaker 1: labor he's talking about is providing economic security and creating
[9:57] Speaker 1: economic opportunity as the best of defense against division and polarization.
[10:03] Speaker 1: The Treasurer seems to be deploying the Kylie Minogue defense here.
[10:17] Speaker 1: She's also a lot better looking than Jim too, and
[10:20] Speaker 1: I hope you pulls that one out at the AFL
[10:21] Speaker 1: Grand Final this year. Can't wait for it. But where
[10:24] Speaker 1: does Charmers get off suggesting that they want Australia to
[10:27] Speaker 1: fail Now, He's correct when he says that parties like
[10:31] Speaker 1: One Nation benefit from division. It's division that has caused
[10:35] Speaker 1: its meteoric rise. People are pissed off with the way
[10:38] Speaker 1: things are going and it's dividing the political landscape. But
[10:42] Speaker 1: one Nation isn't pulling the levers of control. It isn't
[10:46] Speaker 1: in government anywhere in the country. Labor is pulling the
[10:49] Speaker 1: levers of control. Yes, one Nation benefits from the division,
[10:53] Speaker 1: but they aren't causing the division. You are, Jim. Your
[10:58] Speaker 1: government and the coalition has been too because it hasn't
[11:02] Speaker 1: properly responded to this growing divide. I mean, labor is
[11:05] Speaker 1: in charge of the economy, Labor's in charge of immigration,
[11:09] Speaker 1: Labor's in charge of the cost of living. They're in
[11:11] Speaker 1: charge of the cost of housing. Labor's in charge of welfare,
[11:15] Speaker 1: Labor's in charge of the ndis. Labor's in charge of
[11:19] Speaker 1: social cohesion. Yes, one Nation as a party might benefit
[11:23] Speaker 1: from Australians fearing worse the benefit being that its support
[11:27] Speaker 1: has gone up, but it's not reaping that benefit because
[11:30] Speaker 1: it has caused Australians to be worse off, because it
[11:35] Speaker 1: is creating division. It's reaping that benefit because you, the
[11:40] Speaker 1: Labor Party, have caused Australians to be worse off. One
[11:44] Speaker 1: Nation will not benefit politically from making people worse off.
[11:49] Speaker 1: If people thought that's what they were doing, and that
[11:51] Speaker 1: one nation wanted them to be worse off, they would
[11:54] Speaker 1: run one hundred miles away from them, one hundred miles
[11:57] Speaker 1: an hour. Wouldn't want a.
[11:58] Speaker 2: Bar of it.
[11:59] Speaker 1: No, the rise of one Nation is a response to
[12:03] Speaker 1: Australians being worse off. They're sick of watching their children
[12:06] Speaker 1: struggling to buy homes. They're sick of feeling like they
[12:09] Speaker 1: work and work and work and they never get ahead.
[12:12] Speaker 1: They're sick of watching their cities and suburbs fill up
[12:15] Speaker 1: when they were never asked if that's what they wanted.
[12:17] Speaker 1: They're sick of seeing people imported into this country who
[12:21] Speaker 1: don't share our values. They're sick of being taken for mugs,
[12:25] Speaker 1: and they are sick of the division. They don't want
[12:28] Speaker 1: to be divided. They want a country that they want
[12:31] Speaker 1: to live in and they're not seeing that at the moment.
[12:34] Speaker 1: You don't get to turn around and blame one nation
[12:38] Speaker 1: and say we're at a dangerous moment. That's on you.
[12:41] Speaker 1: If you don't want people to vote for one nation,
[12:44] Speaker 1: then give them a reason not to vote for one nation.
[12:47] Speaker 1: Stop giving them a reason to vote for one nation. You,
[12:50] Speaker 1: after all, are the ones in charge. Probably now we
[13:06] Speaker 1: have the answer to the fuel crisis. Is it more fuel?
[13:10] Speaker 1: Is it drilling for more oil? Is it refining more
[13:14] Speaker 1: oil in Australia. Is it meeting our international obligation to
[13:18] Speaker 1: hold ninety days of net oil inputs? Okay? What else
[13:27] Speaker 1: could it be? Could it be an ad campaign? Yes, yes,
[13:38] Speaker 1: it's an ad campaign. Two weeks ago, of course we
[13:41] Speaker 1: had this.
[13:42] Speaker 4: Now it's the Australian way that people want to do
[13:45] Speaker 4: their bit and there are simple ways that you can.
[13:49] Speaker 4: You should go about your business and your life as normal.
[13:53] Speaker 4: Enjoy your easter, and if you're hitting the road, don't
[13:56] Speaker 4: take more fuel than you need. Just fill up like
[13:59] Speaker 4: you normally would think of others in your community, in
[14:03] Speaker 4: the bush and in critical industries and overcoming weeks. If
[14:07] Speaker 4: you can sweitch to catch in the train or bus
[14:09] Speaker 4: or tram to work, do so. That builds our reserves
[14:13] Speaker 4: and it saves fuel for people who have no choice
[14:16] Speaker 4: but to drive.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Now we have a national ad campaign to tell people
[14:21] Speaker 1: about doing their bit to save fuel. It's full of
[14:24] Speaker 1: motherhood statements such as keeping Australia moving, every little bit helps.
[14:30] Speaker 1: Next thing. They'll be ripping out a bit of slim dusty,
[14:33] Speaker 1: very little bit of Australia.
[14:35] Speaker 3: There's a little bit of every Australia.
[14:40] Speaker 1: There's a little and I think they should boy the way.
[14:45] Speaker 1: I love a bit of slim dusty. But these ads
[14:48] Speaker 1: will be full of useful tips, they say to keep
[14:51] Speaker 1: Australia moving. The government has been working to secure fuel
[14:54] Speaker 1: supply and is put in place the fall Level National
[14:57] Speaker 1: Security Plan. We're now at level two, so consider simple
[15:01] Speaker 1: actions to use less fuel, like using your car less. Wow,
[15:06] Speaker 1: brilliant advice. I'd never have thought of that one myself.
[15:10] Speaker 1: Now it says at the bottom of these ads that
[15:13] Speaker 1: if you want more fuel saving tips, you can go
[15:15] Speaker 1: to fuel plan dot gov dot AU. Now, thankfully for you,
[15:19] Speaker 1: I've already done that. So you go to the website,
[15:22] Speaker 1: scroll down a bit and you get to fuel saving tips.
[15:26] Speaker 1: Find out more about simple actions you can take right now,
[15:29] Speaker 1: it says. Now, let's have a look at some of
[15:30] Speaker 1: their suggestions, shall we. It says, see simple actions you
[15:34] Speaker 1: can take. Plan well, A simple idea that really works
[15:39] Speaker 1: is to plan your trips and combine your errands in
[15:42] Speaker 1: one trip. Lots of short trips uses more fuel. Who
[15:45] Speaker 1: would have known? Look after your vehicles tires. It says
[15:49] Speaker 1: looking after your tires will not only reduce your fuel
[15:52] Speaker 1: consumption by up to five percent, but also extend tire
[15:55] Speaker 1: life and improve handling. You should inflate your tires to
[15:58] Speaker 1: the highest pressure the tire manufacture seriously. And what else
[16:04] Speaker 1: is it? Travel light? The more a vehicle carries, the
[16:07] Speaker 1: more fuel it uses. Minimizing the cargo your vehicle carries
[16:11] Speaker 1: can reduce your fuel consumption. I wouldn't have known. Take
[16:15] Speaker 1: less with you, minimize aeronamic drag. You can reduce your
[16:19] Speaker 1: fuel consumption by removing extra parts on the vehicle's exterior
[16:23] Speaker 1: i e. Roof racks and spoilers, and only opening the
[16:27] Speaker 1: window when necessary. That's it. Don't drive around with your
[16:30] Speaker 1: windows down people, It's causing us to use up all
[16:33] Speaker 1: the fuel. And take the spoiler off the back of
[16:37] Speaker 1: your boy racer while you're at it. What else is it?
[16:39] Speaker 1: Use air con and heating on low settings. If you
[16:44] Speaker 1: adjust the temperature, you can make a difference to fuel consumption.
[16:47] Speaker 1: So if you can travel in comfort it a slightly
[16:49] Speaker 1: lower setting, do so. God only fill up when you
[16:54] Speaker 1: need the fuel. Really, if you aren't planning on driving
[17:00] Speaker 1: much in coming days and weeks. Consider whether you need
[17:02] Speaker 1: a full tank. Thanks for that, and don't overfill the
[17:06] Speaker 1: fuel tank. Stop at the first click. Okay, you know
[17:11] Speaker 1: when it clicks, you're not like there's not a substantial
[17:15] Speaker 1: amount of fuel that comes out. I don't think we're
[17:19] Speaker 1: running out of fuel in Australia because someone put like
[17:23] Speaker 1: an extra I don't know, fifty mili liters of fuel
[17:25] Speaker 1: or something in their tank. Then it's his driver behavior.
[17:28] Speaker 1: Drive in high gear. Most engines run more efficiently at
[17:32] Speaker 1: around fifteen hundred to twenty five hundred revolutions per minute.
[17:36] Speaker 1: So when you get up to speed, take your foot
[17:38] Speaker 1: off the pedal a bit, is what it's saying. Again,
[17:41] Speaker 1: brainiac stuff, Monitor speed and acceleration. Unnecessary acceleration and driving
[17:46] Speaker 1: at high speeds can increase fuel consumption and emissions. High
[17:50] Speaker 1: speeds result in high fuel consumptions. At one hundred and
[17:53] Speaker 1: ten k an hour, your car can use twenty five
[17:56] Speaker 1: percent more fuel than it would at ninety So go slower,
[18:00] Speaker 1: drive slower everywhere. That's good. It's good when you've got
[18:02] Speaker 1: to fatigue as well, means you have more crashes. What else?
[18:06] Speaker 1: Minimize idling. Don't leave your engine running while parked or waiting. Yes,
[18:10] Speaker 1: turn it off if you're waiting in your car for
[18:13] Speaker 1: more than a minute. What about it the lights? I
[18:15] Speaker 1: mean some of those light sequences take longer than that.
[18:19] Speaker 1: But it says it'll save one to two liters for
[18:21] Speaker 1: every hour when your engine is not running. Fantastic. Monitor
[18:25] Speaker 1: your fuel use. Oh they like this one. This is
[18:29] Speaker 1: a great recommendation. It says, if you're taking steps to
[18:32] Speaker 1: reduce your fuel loose fuel you so start a travel log,
[18:36] Speaker 1: reset your tripodometer and note the day date of fuel purchase.
[18:40] Speaker 1: Compare your savings over a week or month as you
[18:43] Speaker 1: change your driving habits wonderful. And then, of course the
[18:46] Speaker 1: travel alternatives use your car less. Basically plan ahead. If
[18:52] Speaker 1: you plan ahead, you could have fewer trips and more
[18:55] Speaker 1: efficient and cheaper travel than unplanned decisions made on the go.
[19:00] Speaker 1: So don't wake up in the morning and think, ah,
[19:02] Speaker 1: might go to the shops. Should only go once a week.
[19:04] Speaker 2: People.
[19:05] Speaker 1: It sounds like COVID, doesn't it. And then it says
[19:09] Speaker 1: catch the bus or the train, or the tram or
[19:11] Speaker 1: the ferry or walk or cycle depending on your distance
[19:14] Speaker 1: and ability. Yeah again, I think we all know this stuff.
[19:18] Speaker 1: Don't we go to the shops nearest to you, don't
[19:21] Speaker 1: go too far to the shops, only only close by
[19:24] Speaker 1: shopping centers. People avoid peak hour traffic whenever possible. All right,
[19:30] Speaker 1: that's the work from home thing. Creeping in and car pooling.
[19:34] Speaker 1: Is that an option as well? I mean, seriously, this
[19:39] Speaker 1: is what they're telling us, as if we couldn't work
[19:42] Speaker 1: this stuff out for ourselves. But we're gonna have a
[19:45] Speaker 1: multi million dollar advertising campaign to say, blow up your
[19:50] Speaker 1: ties and go to the shops that are closest to you.
[19:53] Speaker 1: He's what Infrastructure Minister Catherine King said on Insiders this morning.
[19:58] Speaker 5: I think that what the government is tr trying to
[20:00] Speaker 5: do is provide as much information to people as possible.
[20:03] Speaker 5: There's a lot of anxiety, understandably, and a lot of
[20:06] Speaker 5: uncertainty in the community because of what has happened with
[20:10] Speaker 5: this global conflict that we are dealing with, and I
[20:12] Speaker 5: think people are wanting to have information, and of course
[20:16] Speaker 5: they get that information from a range of sources, whether
[20:19] Speaker 5: it's from the media, whether it's from social media. So
[20:22] Speaker 5: the government's building a communications platform really to try and
[20:25] Speaker 5: provide that information to people as quickly as we.
[20:28] Speaker 1: Can wamp wamp the information you need, like pump up
[20:34] Speaker 1: your tihs and turn your egg conditioning down and think
[20:37] Speaker 1: about doing all your shopping in one trip. Seriously, we
[20:41] Speaker 1: don't need an ad campaign. We don't need to be
[20:44] Speaker 1: told to drive our cars. List do you think people
[20:47] Speaker 1: are driving their cars at the moment if they don't
[20:49] Speaker 1: have to trick and people are looking at the price
[20:52] Speaker 1: of fuel, price of diesel in particular, saying yes, let's
[20:56] Speaker 1: burn that stuff up like we're going to die tomorrow.
[20:58] Speaker 1: Let's just throw those undred dollar bills on the bonfire
[21:01] Speaker 1: and watch them go up and smoke for a bit
[21:03] Speaker 1: of fun. Come on, we don't need ads. We need action.
[21:08] Speaker 1: We need a plan, not to tell people to save fuel,
[21:11] Speaker 1: but to save us from having to deal with all
[21:14] Speaker 1: this crap now, I said on Friday on the Bond Report,
[21:17] Speaker 1: I said this, I should say, but we need to
[21:19] Speaker 1: wake up to the reality of what's facing us, which
[21:23] Speaker 1: is that we're worried about the flow in the first place.
[21:26] Speaker 1: I mean, the country like the US, which produces most
[21:29] Speaker 1: of its own fuel, hasn't had to deal with the big,
[21:32] Speaker 1: big price hikes that we have had here because they
[21:35] Speaker 1: make their own fuel, they have reserves, they have supplies.
[21:39] Speaker 1: If we were refining more of our own fuel, we
[21:41] Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry about whether or not we can
[21:44] Speaker 1: get enough fuel from other countries. If we had the
[21:46] Speaker 1: ninety days of net oil imports that we're meant to
[21:48] Speaker 1: under our international obligations, and we wouldn't be so worried
[21:52] Speaker 1: about our supply flow. We wouldn't be so susceptible to
[21:55] Speaker 1: the panic and fluctuations we've seen. Of course, on Friday,
[21:59] Speaker 1: we had the minister in Singapore to announce well, not much.
[22:03] Speaker 1: This was the Singaporean Prime Minister, Lawrence Wong.
[22:07] Speaker 6: First, we agreed on a simple but critical principle. We
[22:12] Speaker 6: will keep flowing between our two countries essential goods who
[22:18] Speaker 6: will continue to move between Australia and Singapore. That includes
[22:24] Speaker 6: liquefied natural gas or LNG, which Australia supplies to Singapore,
[22:29] Speaker 6: as well as refined petroleum products like diesel, which Singapore
[22:33] Speaker 6: supplies to Australia.
[22:35] Speaker 1: We are moving.
[22:35] Speaker 6: Quickly to translate these commitments into action. We are working
[22:40] Speaker 6: towards a legally binding protocol on economic resilience and essential supplies.
[22:47] Speaker 1: There's no point showing you any of what Anthony Albanezi said,
[22:50] Speaker 1: because he didn't actually announce anything. They both signed a
[22:53] Speaker 1: joint statement confirming that they'd maintain a flow of liquid
[22:56] Speaker 1: natural gas from Australia to Singapore and refined fuel from
[22:59] Speaker 1: Singapore to Australia. Singapore makes up more than a quarter
[23:02] Speaker 1: of all the refined fuel that we import in more
[23:05] Speaker 1: than half of our petrol. But there's still no concrete deal,
[23:08] Speaker 1: just a promise to make one at some point in
[23:10] Speaker 1: the future. So what we had on Friday was an
[23:13] Speaker 1: agreement to keep following the agreement that they've already agreed to,
[23:17] Speaker 1: and then at some point in the future they'll have
[23:18] Speaker 1: a legally binding agreement. Great, everything here is just for show.
[23:23] Speaker 1: You don't need a showre just deflecting from the fact
[23:26] Speaker 1: that they said there was no crisis, but now there
[23:28] Speaker 1: is a crisis and we definitely have it under control.
[23:31] Speaker 1: So stay calm because it's all good. But maybe take
[23:34] Speaker 1: the train sometime and turn your air condition about. I mean,
[23:38] Speaker 1: give us a plan to actually build our fuel security.
[23:41] Speaker 1: I'll give the last word on this to Ilvis.
[23:44] Speaker 7: My little less conversation.
[23:46] Speaker 8: A little more action.
[23:50] Speaker 1: Now before we get to a break a big weekend
[23:51] Speaker 1: in sport. How good is Gout? Gout, the eighteen year
[23:55] Speaker 1: old smashed the national two hundred meter running record this
[23:58] Speaker 1: afternoon at nineteen points six six seven seconds, so he's.
[24:02] Speaker 3: Three from the left.
[24:03] Speaker 9: Got out pretty well, Use got out slightly better. Law
[24:07] Speaker 9: Murphy's had a big first one hundred. Gout's got work
[24:10] Speaker 9: to do. Use leads him into the strait. Gout gets
[24:13] Speaker 9: up alongside of him. Murphy's ice to get upsid Gout.
[24:16] Speaker 9: Gout's in front. He's coming away now from Murphy. Can
[24:20] Speaker 9: he be as pick as aside and he climble? Oh,
[24:24] Speaker 9: where's the wind? The ridds legal. He has absolutely.
[24:28] Speaker 3: Done where everybody thought he might. But he's done it
[24:31] Speaker 3: at eighteen years of his age.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Now, if he'd run that time at the Paris Olympics,
[24:36] Speaker 1: he would have won a bronze medal by edging out
[24:39] Speaker 1: American Noah Lyles, who came in at nineteen point seven seconds,
[24:43] Speaker 1: and in fact, his time today would have won him
[24:45] Speaker 1: a medal in the two hundred meters at every Olympic
[24:48] Speaker 1: Games ever. Hill This kid is big and he's only eighteen,
[24:53] Speaker 1: so I cannot wait to see where he goes. I mean,
[24:56] Speaker 1: he's run today was point two six seconds fa the
[25:00] Speaker 1: Usain Bolt ran at the same age he did nineteen
[25:04] Speaker 1: point nine three seconds in two thousand and four, and
[25:07] Speaker 1: the record for the fastest official two hundred meter time
[25:10] Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old was previously held by a
[25:13] Speaker 1: US sprinter Rian Knighton at nineteen point six eight seconds.
[25:18] Speaker 1: So Gout sorry has now beaten him to be the
[25:21] Speaker 1: fastest eighteen year old two hundred meter runner of all time,
[25:26] Speaker 1: and time is something he has plenty of. So all
[25:29] Speaker 1: I can say is strap in because he is going
[25:31] Speaker 1: to be big for Australian athletics. I can't wait to
[25:34] Speaker 1: see it. Overseas, of course, there's the Masters and the
[25:37] Speaker 1: Grand National Cameron Young and Rory mcelroyal level going into
[25:41] Speaker 1: the last day of the Golf and Iam Maximus won
[25:44] Speaker 1: the Grand National steeple Chase overnight. He won in twenty
[25:47] Speaker 1: twenty four and ran second last year, so he is
[25:50] Speaker 1: the first horse since Red Rum forty nine years ago
[25:54] Speaker 1: to regain the Grand National title and it was the
[25:56] Speaker 1: third win in a row for the trainer Willie Mullens.
[25:59] Speaker 1: As I say, and we'll always say, long live jumps
[26:02] Speaker 1: racing and bring on Warnable in a few weeks time.
[26:05] Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll see a few of you there. But
[26:07] Speaker 1: back at home. Last night was the Golden Easter Egg,
[26:10] Speaker 1: which is a three hundred thousand dollars Group one greyhound
[26:13] Speaker 1: race at Wentworth Park in Sydney, and I was there.
[26:16] Speaker 1: It was a great night at the dogs, as it
[26:18] Speaker 1: always is. I actually have the winner's rug here for
[26:22] Speaker 1: you off the chart. The five led the whole way
[26:25] Speaker 1: and I was on it, so that was even better. Well,
[26:28] Speaker 1: many of you may know that the Men's government in
[26:30] Speaker 1: New South Wales is planning to get rid of Wentworth
[26:32] Speaker 1: Park next year and turn it into houses. And there's
[26:35] Speaker 1: that bloody refrain again. Now. It would be a great shame,
[26:38] Speaker 1: it really would, and everything that it can be done
[26:41] Speaker 1: to fight it should be done. Because once you lose
[26:44] Speaker 1: a foothold for greyhound racing in the city, and Wentworth
[26:47] Speaker 1: Park is right next to the city, then it becomes
[26:50] Speaker 1: out of side, out of mart it becomes a lot
[26:52] Speaker 1: easier for the activists to start marching against the sport,
[26:56] Speaker 1: as they have in Tasmania, where there will be a
[26:59] Speaker 1: vote in the Upper House this week on whether or
[27:01] Speaker 1: not to ban greyhound racing. And then once they get
[27:03] Speaker 1: greyhound racing, they come for everything else. So they've done
[27:06] Speaker 1: it with jumps racing. Victoria's the only place that still
[27:08] Speaker 1: has it. They won't stop at greyhound racing. I'm just
[27:11] Speaker 1: telling you that if you're involved in the trots or
[27:14] Speaker 1: involved in the gallops, don't think that you can just
[27:16] Speaker 1: say ah, once they've done it, they won't care anymore.
[27:19] Speaker 1: They will. They will come for you too, and once
[27:23] Speaker 1: you lose these things, you don't get them back. Dogs
[27:26] Speaker 1: have raced in Inner Sydney for ninety years and they
[27:30] Speaker 1: ought to for another ninety years. Okay, we will get
[27:34] Speaker 1: into things with the panel after the break. Twenty percent
[27:36] Speaker 1: grocary hikes on the way. Daniel Wilde and Lee Hanson
[27:39] Speaker 1: are standing by. Don't go away.
[27:45] Speaker 7: Good day guys.
[27:46] Speaker 2: Paul here.
[27:46] Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm not hosting tonight. I'm off out of town
[27:49] Speaker 7: filming something pretty special.
[27:51] Speaker 2: But we'll get to that in a couple of weeks time.
[27:53] Speaker 7: In the meantime, if you can join us for our town,
[27:55] Speaker 7: I'd love to see you in Colak in Victoria. It'll
[27:58] Speaker 7: be happening on Sunday, twenty sixth of April. If you'd
[28:02] Speaker 7: like to join us free of charge. That's what the
[28:04] Speaker 7: tickets are. Send me an email outtown. It's Goynews dot
[28:06] Speaker 7: com dot Au and I'll see you in Kolak.
[28:09] Speaker 2: Enjoy the show.
[28:14] Speaker 1: Taylor Bond in for Paul tonight joining me now One
[28:17] Speaker 1: Nation National Executive Manager, Lee Hanson an IPA Dept. Executive
[28:21] Speaker 1: Daniel Wilde. Welcome to you both. Of course, over the
[28:24] Speaker 1: weekend you've had JD Vance and others in Pakistan trying
[28:29] Speaker 1: to negotiate a deal with Iran. They've walked away from
[28:33] Speaker 1: that without a deal so far, so we'll have to
[28:36] Speaker 1: hang on and see what happens. One of the major
[28:38] Speaker 1: sticking points seems to be that Iran will not concede
[28:42] Speaker 1: to the idea of never gaining a nuclear weapon, which
[28:46] Speaker 1: is obviously something the US will expect. Iran is saying
[28:50] Speaker 1: that the US expects too much. Well, really, Daniel, what's
[28:55] Speaker 1: the point of the war if they don't get a
[28:57] Speaker 1: positive outcome? And I suppose beyond that, if they don't
[29:00] Speaker 1: get a deal by the time this cease fire ends,
[29:04] Speaker 1: what happens.
[29:07] Speaker 10: Well, presumably there was more conflicts, Kaleb, and I think
[29:10] Speaker 10: it was disappointing that they couldn't get to a deal
[29:12] Speaker 10: on this, and I think the taking out of Iran's
[29:15] Speaker 10: nuclear capabilities was completely justified by the US, but those
[29:19] Speaker 10: who were concerned or had reservations about the intervention were
[29:23] Speaker 10: asking what happens the day after? So, you know, the
[29:26] Speaker 10: US went in and not only took out the nuclear
[29:28] Speaker 10: capabilities but basically decapitated the Iranian regime, which at one
[29:33] Speaker 10: level you could say is fair enough, but you've got
[29:35] Speaker 10: to have a plan for the day after that happens.
[29:36] Speaker 10: And so the concern here is that this drags on
[29:39] Speaker 10: day after day, week after week. There are talks and
[29:42] Speaker 10: more talks, and nothing comes to fruition. And this, you know,
[29:45] Speaker 10: is starting to get perhaps the vibes of the Iraq War,
[29:48] Speaker 10: where you know, we were told it will take a
[29:50] Speaker 10: couple of weeks, and then that dragged into a couple
[29:52] Speaker 10: of months, in a couple of years, and it became
[29:54] Speaker 10: a complete quagmire. So you know, I certainly hope it
[29:57] Speaker 10: doesn't come to that. And obviously, Iran and Iraq very
[30:00] Speaker 10: different countries in many ways, and this is a very
[30:02] Speaker 10: different conflict in many ways. But you can see how
[30:05] Speaker 10: these things can get drawn out day by day, week
[30:07] Speaker 10: by week. So every day that there is not a
[30:10] Speaker 10: peace deal, and a peace settlement means that the likelihood
[30:13] Speaker 10: of a protracted and deadly conflict increase.
[30:16] Speaker 1: And that would be a disasterly for Trump, I think,
[30:19] Speaker 1: because he was, of course the guy who promised there
[30:22] Speaker 1: would be no forever wars. And this incursion has created
[30:27] Speaker 1: problems within the MAGA movement. I mean, you saw the
[30:29] Speaker 1: other day that extraordinary post he put on truth. Socially,
[30:32] Speaker 1: he was going after at Tacker, Carlson and Megan Kelly
[30:35] Speaker 1: and Candas Owens and others, really laying into them for
[30:39] Speaker 1: not supporting him on this war. But if it ends
[30:42] Speaker 1: up going much longer than he said it would, which
[30:45] Speaker 1: initially was a few weeks, I think it really puts
[30:48] Speaker 1: himself in a difficult position. They have to come up
[30:51] Speaker 1: with some kind of deal.
[30:55] Speaker 11: Look, and that's all we can hope for Caleb. You know,
[30:58] Speaker 11: it is disappointing for everybody. Nobody wants more, but we
[31:01] Speaker 11: are in this situation. We need to support our US
[31:05] Speaker 11: allies and hope that they're able to come to an agreement.
[31:09] Speaker 11: Nobody wants this to drag on. Naturally, the longer it
[31:13] Speaker 11: takes it will create greater uncertainty.
[31:17] Speaker 3: Within the US government.
[31:18] Speaker 11: As well, so we'll support them and we'll stand by them,
[31:22] Speaker 11: but predominantly one nation. Our main focus is here in Australia.
[31:26] Speaker 11: We need to and we are focused on making Australia
[31:29] Speaker 11: safe and secure and addressing the issues and the crisis
[31:33] Speaker 11: here at home and the fundamental root cause which has
[31:35] Speaker 11: led us to this point in Australia.
[31:38] Speaker 1: Well, of course, one of the effects of all of
[31:40] Speaker 1: this has been increasing in fuel prices. We'll talk in
[31:44] Speaker 1: a minute about the ad telling you to save fuel.
[31:48] Speaker 1: But because the cost of petrol and the cost of
[31:50] Speaker 1: diesel has gone up so much, that flows on to everything, right,
[31:53] Speaker 1: I mean, the stuff has to go on the back
[31:55] Speaker 1: of a truck that has to be paid for by someone.
[31:59] Speaker 1: Ultimately it ends up the consumer and no one's going
[32:02] Speaker 1: to absorb the cost otherwise. Right. So the Agriculture Minister
[32:05] Speaker 1: Julie Collins this morning is asked, well, you know, where
[32:09] Speaker 1: do we go with grocery prices? I mean, could we
[32:11] Speaker 1: go to twenty percent? And she says this, do you
[32:15] Speaker 1: think they could go up twenty percent?
[32:17] Speaker 2: Though?
[32:17] Speaker 3: Is that possible?
[32:20] Speaker 12: Certainly that's not the figures that Treasure is modeling at
[32:23] Speaker 12: the moment. But you know this war is unpredictable. We
[32:25] Speaker 12: don't know how long it's going to go for Andrew,
[32:27] Speaker 12: And what I would say is that we're doing as
[32:29] Speaker 12: a government everything we can shield people.
[32:32] Speaker 1: So Daniel, I'll just hedge my bits here. You know,
[32:35] Speaker 1: it could happen, We could go to twenty percent. The
[32:37] Speaker 1: government says, yeah, well it could do.
[32:41] Speaker 10: And look to be fair, who knows. I mean, the
[32:44] Speaker 10: government is not in control of all of the prices
[32:46] Speaker 10: throughout the economy, so you know, I think we give
[32:49] Speaker 10: her a fair hearing on that. But you know, it
[32:51] Speaker 10: is interesting. Politics is a fascinating business because you're actually
[32:54] Speaker 10: not in control of most things that happen. What matters
[32:57] Speaker 10: is how you respond to the events that happen. See,
[33:00] Speaker 10: that's why we need good leadership, and we just don't
[33:02] Speaker 10: have good leadership in this country. And secondly, the government
[33:05] Speaker 10: really hasn't done anything to deal with this issue that
[33:08] Speaker 10: we always knew was going to come in one shape
[33:11] Speaker 10: or another. Yes, we did not know that there would
[33:13] Speaker 10: be a war in Iran, but having such low fuel
[33:17] Speaker 10: stocks at stockpiles, having lost our ability to generate and
[33:21] Speaker 10: refine our own oil something like eighty percent of our
[33:26] Speaker 10: use in two thousand came from Australia that's inverted. Now
[33:30] Speaker 10: only twenty percent of it is and we import about
[33:31] Speaker 10: eighty percent of it. So this could have been dealt
[33:34] Speaker 10: with regardless of the war in Iran. And as you
[33:37] Speaker 10: rightly say, of course, prices throughout the economy are going
[33:40] Speaker 10: to go up. And when you look at cafes that
[33:42] Speaker 10: have been saying, well, we're going to put up the
[33:43] Speaker 10: price of a coffee by ten percent, well I don't
[33:47] Speaker 10: blame them because they can't absorb it. A lot of
[33:49] Speaker 10: these small businesses can't assorb the cost, so it's going
[33:51] Speaker 10: to get passed on.
[33:52] Speaker 1: And of course the government will just lean on the
[33:56] Speaker 1: war and say, okay, well, sort of out of our
[33:58] Speaker 1: control things are happening on the other side of the world.
[34:00] Speaker 1: Can't do anything about that. But the reality is that
[34:04] Speaker 1: we've ended up ourselves in this position because we don't
[34:07] Speaker 1: have the resources in our country if we weren't so
[34:10] Speaker 1: reliant on the flow of imports and not just the
[34:14] Speaker 1: flow of inputs. Of course, you know we're going to
[34:16] Speaker 1: import fuel at any point in time, we know that,
[34:18] Speaker 1: but we don't have the reserves. We don't have the
[34:21] Speaker 1: ninety days. I think we're the only country that doesn't
[34:24] Speaker 1: meet our ninety day global obligations of net imported fuel.
[34:30] Speaker 1: We started from the back foot to begin with. And
[34:33] Speaker 1: I think the government's actually panicking a little bit about
[34:37] Speaker 1: this now because they tried the whole art of crisis.
[34:40] Speaker 1: Don't worry, nothing to worry about things. I don't think
[34:42] Speaker 1: it's working.
[34:45] Speaker 3: No, it's not.
[34:46] Speaker 11: And let's be honest, Kleb. It's a pure deflection on
[34:51] Speaker 11: the government's inability to lead, plan and act which has
[34:56] Speaker 11: led us to this point. And not just the current government,
[34:58] Speaker 11: but government's their predecessors as well, sitting there blaming that
[35:03] Speaker 11: potentially we're facing could be facing enormous price in groceryes soaring,
[35:08] Speaker 11: which will happen. Mind you, there is absolutely no doubt
[35:12] Speaker 11: about it is deflecting the war, to the blame to
[35:16] Speaker 11: the war, and it's not. It's because they have not
[35:19] Speaker 11: planned accordingly. You know, the pressure is on the farmers,
[35:22] Speaker 11: the amount of red tape on the farmers, the cost
[35:24] Speaker 11: to produce our net zero ridiculous agenda, the rising cost
[35:29] Speaker 11: of energy prices. We don't utilize our natural resources in
[35:33] Speaker 11: this country for fuel security, fertilizer situation now as well,
[35:37] Speaker 11: that's what led has led us to this point. You know,
[35:41] Speaker 11: the reason I saw was at Elbow was a twenty
[35:44] Speaker 11: twenty He's an interview he did back in twenty twenty
[35:47] Speaker 11: where he was criticizing the then current government about not
[35:52] Speaker 11: having the ninety day fuel supply, not refining our own
[35:56] Speaker 11: fuel here and how it was poor leadership and poor government.
[36:00] Speaker 11: But hang on, what has he actually done about it.
[36:03] Speaker 11: He's had plenty of lead time, and he's done repeated
[36:07] Speaker 11: history and led us to this point instead of stepping
[36:10] Speaker 11: up and being the leader that we actually need this country.
[36:12] Speaker 11: So it's just deflection of their incapability. They don't know
[36:15] Speaker 11: what to do.
[36:16] Speaker 1: I do love that these things exist forever in the
[36:19] Speaker 1: era of the internet. Now, you know, you can't hide
[36:22] Speaker 1: away from those sorts of comments because the other thing
[36:25] Speaker 1: in this deflection is now they're going to have these
[36:27] Speaker 1: ads running on TV and in the papers and social
[36:30] Speaker 1: media and everywhere saying use less fuel people, you know,
[36:34] Speaker 1: go online, get your tips about how to save fuel. Daniel.
[36:36] Speaker 1: I read through some of these tips earlier from the
[36:40] Speaker 1: fuel Watch website or whichever one it is, and it says, Daniel,
[36:45] Speaker 1: and I hope you'll be following this don't drive around
[36:49] Speaker 1: with your windows down because it creates drag and that
[36:54] Speaker 1: means you're using too much fuel. Then are you following
[36:57] Speaker 1: the rules.
[37:00] Speaker 10: But my kids aren't and I'll tell you what. They
[37:01] Speaker 10: put the windows up and down with reckless abandons. So
[37:03] Speaker 10: I can use this and they'll definitely listen to his
[37:05] Speaker 10: government recommend.
[37:07] Speaker 1: You can't put the windows stop stop doing it.
[37:12] Speaker 10: I did see that in your monologue, and I very
[37:13] Speaker 10: much enjoyed the fact that you had ac DC and
[37:16] Speaker 10: Slim Dusty featured, so that got you off here. But look,
[37:22] Speaker 10: this is ridiculous paternalism. It does have the vibe of covids,
[37:27] Speaker 10: and it's blaming everybody else other than the government. You know,
[37:30] Speaker 10: these geniuses have now figured out that if you drive less,
[37:35] Speaker 10: you actually use less fuel. I mean, this is groundbreaking stuff,
[37:39] Speaker 10: just groundbreaking stuff. These are the kind of people running
[37:43] Speaker 10: the government. So look, at the end of the day,
[37:45] Speaker 10: it gets back to what Lee was just saying. This
[37:48] Speaker 10: is the government's responsibility to increase supply. It's their fault
[37:52] Speaker 10: they haven't done it. And yes, the coalition should have
[37:54] Speaker 10: done that as well when they are in government. But
[37:57] Speaker 10: this government has been there now for a number of
[37:58] Speaker 10: years they've done nothing about it. And basically what they're
[38:01] Speaker 10: doing is that if they're saying to Australians, hey, if
[38:05] Speaker 10: we run out of fuel, it's your fault because you
[38:08] Speaker 10: forgot to put your windows up and you didn't take.
[38:11] Speaker 1: The spoiler off the back of your car either, and
[38:13] Speaker 1: you didn't take the train when you should. Mean, it's
[38:17] Speaker 1: just rejecuetigh pressure exactly. I mean, we don't need lea
[38:22] Speaker 1: an ad campaign to tell us to only go to
[38:25] Speaker 1: the shops when we need to and do all our
[38:28] Speaker 1: shopping in one trip. I mean, it's just pathitic.
[38:33] Speaker 11: It's embarrassing, Caleb, Like, this is our government, these are
[38:37] Speaker 11: the leaders of our country and this is what they
[38:40] Speaker 11: tell us. It is embarrassing. And yes I was having
[38:42] Speaker 11: a giggle in your monologue at the start just how.
[38:46] Speaker 12: Ludicrous it is.
[38:47] Speaker 3: But they're treating people like we're idiots.
[38:50] Speaker 11: You know, twenty million dollars on this ad campaign, it
[38:54] Speaker 11: debays well burn tax pays money because that's all it is,
[38:57] Speaker 11: just light it on fire, because as a taxpayer, would
[39:01] Speaker 11: I'd rather see twenty million dollars invested in telling me
[39:04] Speaker 11: to pump up my ties and don't overweight my boot versus. Hey,
[39:08] Speaker 11: maybe we can invest that twenty million dollars into fuel
[39:11] Speaker 11: security or helping with the cost of living or the
[39:13] Speaker 11: fact that our you know, our farmers are struggling right now.
[39:17] Speaker 11: I just it is embarrassing that this is our government
[39:21] Speaker 11: and again deflection because they cannot lead, They don't know
[39:25] Speaker 11: what to do, and I feel sorry for them.
[39:29] Speaker 3: I do.
[39:30] Speaker 11: Well, it's just going to highlight just theiring capability.
[39:33] Speaker 1: It's terrible, isn't it. I'm going to have to start
[39:34] Speaker 1: carrying around a set of scales in my car and
[39:38] Speaker 1: making people stand on them before I let them get in,
[39:41] Speaker 1: because you know, I got to pay for that fuel
[39:43] Speaker 1: and I don't want to contribute to this bloody fuel crisis,
[39:45] Speaker 1: you know. Daniel Wildly Hanson, thank you for your time,
[39:48] Speaker 1: as always coming up rules for the and not for me.
[39:51] Speaker 1: The Miror of London says this uvs are destroying the
[39:54] Speaker 1: roads while he gets around in an suv. That more
[39:57] Speaker 1: with Mark Doland in the Moment.
[40:03] Speaker 2: Today.
[40:03] Speaker 7: Guys, Paul here, sorry, I'm not hosting tonight. I'm off
[40:07] Speaker 7: out of town filming something pretty special.
[40:09] Speaker 2: But we'll get to that in a couple of weeks.
[40:10] Speaker 2: Time in the meantime, if you.
[40:12] Speaker 7: Can join us for our town, I'd love to see
[40:14] Speaker 7: you in Coolak in Victoria. It'll be happening on Sunday,
[40:18] Speaker 7: the twenty sixth of April.
[40:19] Speaker 2: If you'd like to join us.
[40:20] Speaker 7: Free of charge, that's what the tickets are.
[40:22] Speaker 2: Send me an email outtown.
[40:23] Speaker 7: It's Goynews dot com dot au and I'll see you
[40:26] Speaker 7: in Kolak.
[40:27] Speaker 2: Enjoy the show.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Cayler bond in for Paul. Joining me now from London
[40:34] Speaker 1: is Talk TV's Mark Dolan. A sweet cheeks. It's good
[40:37] Speaker 1: to see you again.
[40:39] Speaker 3: Hello Princess. I've missed you.
[40:41] Speaker 1: But those who didn't see last week, it's sad. It's
[40:43] Speaker 1: a little bit of an joke. But you should have
[40:45] Speaker 1: been watching last week too. Why are you watching the
[40:47] Speaker 1: football instead? And now I was talking to my panel
[40:50] Speaker 1: before about the outcome of these negotiations or I probably
[40:53] Speaker 1: should say no outcome from these negotiations in Pakistan with
[40:57] Speaker 1: a run over the weekend. Interesting that they scent JD.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Van seen to do this job the Vice president because
[41:03] Speaker 1: probably of anyone in the administration, and he has been
[41:07] Speaker 1: the most vocal about lack of support for going to war.
[41:11] Speaker 1: He's the guy they've seen mem to try and finish
[41:13] Speaker 1: the job. They've come out of this week in without
[41:16] Speaker 1: finishing the job most definitely.
[41:19] Speaker 3: And JD.
[41:20] Speaker 13: Vance, the Vice President, his heart is not in this war.
[41:24] Speaker 13: He's part of that original Maga movement that promised no
[41:27] Speaker 13: foreign wars. So he's having to contradict himself by tacitly
[41:33] Speaker 13: supporting what's happening in the Middle East. Of course, he's
[41:35] Speaker 13: looking at the longer game Donald Trump. Caleb hasn't got
[41:39] Speaker 13: skin in the game anymore. He won't be seeking reelection.
[41:42] Speaker 3: JD.
[41:42] Speaker 13: Vance wishes to be America's next president, so that's a problem.
[41:47] Speaker 13: A grueling session twenty one hours. Donald was on the.
[41:51] Speaker 3: Other end of the phone.
[41:52] Speaker 13: And we know that Donald Trump is the king of
[41:55] Speaker 13: the art of the deal. But after twenty one hours,
[41:57] Speaker 13: no deals so far. Now Vance's book and said, it's
[42:01] Speaker 13: unfortunate there's no deal, but it's much worse for Iran
[42:04] Speaker 13: than it is for America.
[42:06] Speaker 3: But the clock is ticking.
[42:08] Speaker 1: Indeed, I suppose the problem is as that clock ticks
[42:12] Speaker 1: and they get closer to the possibility of perhaps going
[42:15] Speaker 1: back to war, and how long can this thing possibly go?
[42:19] Speaker 1: I mean, Trump's in a really difficult position.
[42:21] Speaker 3: Now most definitely.
[42:23] Speaker 13: And the one thing he's always focused on is the economy.
[42:27] Speaker 13: That was one of the reasons he got elected. Inflation
[42:30] Speaker 13: that sort of issue. Well, inflation is back up and
[42:32] Speaker 13: Americans are suffering at the pump. So how long I
[42:36] Speaker 13: think that it's really got to be weeks than months.
[42:39] Speaker 13: If it's months, then it's going to be a catastrophe
[42:42] Speaker 13: for his presidency. I don't think it'll happen because Donald
[42:46] Speaker 13: Trump is the king of the art of the deal,
[42:48] Speaker 13: and there will be sweeteners. I think a lot of
[42:50] Speaker 13: this is theater as well, Kleb. If you think about it,
[42:53] Speaker 13: the President has sent his number two. It's more than
[42:57] Speaker 13: possible that in the weeks ahead, Trump himself heads to
[43:01] Speaker 13: Pakistan and a hammer's out a deal. And I can
[43:03] Speaker 13: assure you if he's on that plane, a deal will happen.
[43:07] Speaker 1: Now, what's going on in the Chegus Islands. You were
[43:09] Speaker 1: meant to be you, not you specific Look, Mark Doland
[43:12] Speaker 1: may be doing the work of the Stamma government, but
[43:17] Speaker 1: the UK was meant to hand the back to Mauritius.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Now Tramp's come out and say bad deal, don't do it,
[43:22] Speaker 1: and the thing's being shelved it is most definitely is
[43:25] Speaker 1: Stammer now taking his advice from Trample. What's going on?
[43:29] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[43:29] Speaker 13: I mean Starmer is a guy that's not that long ago.
[43:32] Speaker 13: Eighteen months ago won an election on a landslide, a
[43:35] Speaker 13: huge majority in the House of Commons. This is a
[43:37] Speaker 13: guy that's in office and not in power. When he
[43:40] Speaker 13: wants to introduce modest cuts to public spending, his very
[43:44] Speaker 13: left wing backbenchers say no. When he wants to support
[43:47] Speaker 13: Donald Trump to allow US planes to refuel at UK
[43:51] Speaker 13: air bases, his cabinets say no. And when he wants
[43:54] Speaker 13: to give away the Chagos Islands, which is sovereign British territory,
[43:58] Speaker 13: Donald says no.
[44:00] Speaker 3: The guy Starmer has no authority whatsoever.
[44:03] Speaker 13: Now, the President said that giving away Chagos is an
[44:06] Speaker 13: act of great stupidity. Tell me if this sounds stupid
[44:09] Speaker 13: to you and your viewers, Kleb. We were going to
[44:12] Speaker 13: pay in the region of sixty six billion dollars over
[44:16] Speaker 13: one hundred years to give back sovereign British territory, territory
[44:20] Speaker 13: which is militarily significant. We were going to give it
[44:23] Speaker 13: to Mauritius, who have no historic claim on the islands.
[44:26] Speaker 13: It's not geographically close by, and Mauritius is a close
[44:31] Speaker 13: ally economically of China.
[44:33] Speaker 3: Make it make sense?
[44:35] Speaker 1: I know, just to mac turn around, look at the
[44:37] Speaker 1: bloke behind you, and he's got a hill of a jet.
[44:40] Speaker 1: Who's there? He's got a hill of a jacket.
[44:42] Speaker 13: His name is Phil Dave and he doesn't do any work.
[44:45] Speaker 13: All he does is goes on online purchasing rather jazzy
[44:49] Speaker 13: evening wear. And I think he's not long for this world.
[44:52] Speaker 13: You know, how cut through at the media is. I
[44:54] Speaker 13: think he'll be having a chat with the boss Monday morning.
[44:56] Speaker 1: All right, well, can I have a few of his
[44:58] Speaker 1: jackets if he's going? Speaking of spending money, you've got
[45:02] Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan are coming out to Australia imminently. Now
[45:06] Speaker 1: this is not an official royal tour, of course, because
[45:08] Speaker 1: they're not working Royals. But the talk is that the
[45:12] Speaker 1: police forces over here will have to pay for some
[45:15] Speaker 1: of their security if they're not here as working royals.
[45:18] Speaker 1: And I remember a few years ago Nigel Faras was
[45:21] Speaker 1: asked to stamp up money for security at NAVINTI did
[45:24] Speaker 1: in Sydney. Why should we be paying for this the
[45:27] Speaker 1: textpayer in Australia.
[45:29] Speaker 13: You absolutely shouldn't and there are thousands of Australians who
[45:33] Speaker 13: don't want Harry and Meghan to.
[45:35] Speaker 3: Come to Australia.
[45:37] Speaker 13: There are enough problems already, as we've heard during the show,
[45:40] Speaker 13: cost living crisis, the cost of fuel, a lack of
[45:42] Speaker 13: energy independence. I think if that many Australians don't want
[45:46] Speaker 13: Harry and Meghan to come, it qualifies as illegal immigration, okay,
[45:51] Speaker 13: and therefore I would reinstate operations, sovereign borders.
[45:53] Speaker 3: You guys have got to get tough just saying.
[45:55] Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I agree, I agree quickly before we go
[45:59] Speaker 1: the Mirror of Life and Sadi Can has been calling
[46:02] Speaker 1: up posts online saying that issuvs are ruining the roads.
[46:06] Speaker 1: We need to get the SUVs off the roads. Meanwhile,
[46:10] Speaker 1: his mode of transport is an armored ISSUV, so weird
[46:15] Speaker 1: does he get off saying you know, O issuv's terrible
[46:18] Speaker 1: calcular that's what he's getting around in.
[46:22] Speaker 13: You know, politicians are the biggest hypocrites you'll ever meet.
[46:26] Speaker 13: You know they're lying because their lips are moving. And
[46:29] Speaker 13: it's always as you suggested earlier, one rule for me,
[46:32] Speaker 13: one rule for THEE and the other great irony. By
[46:35] Speaker 13: the way, they're waging war on these big vehicles. First
[46:37] Speaker 13: of all, people that drive large cars are normally economically
[46:40] Speaker 13: productive people, so we should encourage them to work hard
[46:44] Speaker 13: and make money buy nice cars, because that's how we're
[46:46] Speaker 13: going to pay for you know, doctors, nurses, schools, that
[46:50] Speaker 13: kind of thing. But the other thing is that the
[46:52] Speaker 13: left are obsessed with electric cars.
[46:55] Speaker 3: Well, they do the most damage to the roads. Did
[46:57] Speaker 3: you know that.
[46:57] Speaker 13: Electric cars are up to thirty percent heavier than petrol
[47:01] Speaker 13: and diesel cars, So the whole.
[47:03] Speaker 3: Thing makes no sense at all. He's a hypocrite. But
[47:06] Speaker 3: also you know that messaging around electric cars.
[47:08] Speaker 13: Is pretty wild. We've got to think called u LEDs,
[47:11] Speaker 13: which is supposed to.
[47:12] Speaker 1: Clean the air.
[47:13] Speaker 13: And if you've got an old car, like sort of
[47:15] Speaker 13: eleven twelve years old, it works great. Like a Volkswagen
[47:17] Speaker 13: Perset diesel. You have to pay twenty three dollars a
[47:21] Speaker 13: day just to use your car, which I think is
[47:23] Speaker 13: wild and far better for the environment to keep your
[47:26] Speaker 13: old car than buy a new one.
[47:28] Speaker 1: Is that mac Because you drive a Volkswagen Perseet diesel.
[47:31] Speaker 13: I've got a beaten up Toyota Prius, and the reason
[47:34] Speaker 13: it's beaten up is because Missus Dolan doesn't have a
[47:38] Speaker 13: great sense of spatial awareness.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Well, I thought you'd have better than a prius mate.
[47:42] Speaker 1: We may have to work on that. You really do
[47:44] Speaker 1: fit into the sweet cheeks category. Mark Doland, thank you
[47:47] Speaker 1: so much for your time. After the break, Kamala Harris
[47:50] Speaker 1: keeps hanging around like a bad smell. She obviously wants
[47:52] Speaker 1: to run for prison again, but in the meantime she's
[47:55] Speaker 1: decided to take up acting. I'll show you that after
[47:58] Speaker 1: this now, somehow or another, I think Kamala Harris thinks
[48:06] Speaker 1: she can make it back and run for president again,
[48:09] Speaker 1: but in the meantime she could to find something else
[48:11] Speaker 1: to do. She's now turning her eye to Trump impersonations.
[48:17] Speaker 2: Have a look.
[48:18] Speaker 8: Well, he's pulled back because you know, the way that
[48:21] Speaker 8: he's thinking of foreign policy, it seems, is when he
[48:26] Speaker 8: talks about America, first it's to withdraw from these relationships
[48:33] Speaker 8: and these connections, and then he kind of read acts
[48:35] Speaker 8: like a mob boss. So then he's kind of legal. Well,
[48:40] Speaker 8: you know, you take Eastern Europe and I'll take the
[48:46] Speaker 8: Western atmosphere, and then you already you get Asia and
[48:52] Speaker 8: we're just divided up right, instead of understanding. Historically, America
[48:58] Speaker 8: has always been about our global leadership, imperfect though we
[49:01] Speaker 8: have been.
[49:04] Speaker 1: Look Comelap. I have ideas all the time about things
[49:08] Speaker 1: I'd like to do on air, and I don't do
[49:10] Speaker 1: them because there wouldn't be any good at them. Maybe
[49:12] Speaker 1: you should learn that lesson as well. That's it for me,
[49:15] Speaker 1: up next to his new start. Good Night,

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